Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 1 Mar 2006 to 2 Mar 2006 (#2006-39) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 03/03/2006, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 9 messages totalling 500 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Religion of Ylaruam 2. Blackmoor (4) 3. TCR: Jarandros Monikar 4. Sorcerer in BD&D rules (2) 5. Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page (was: Blackmoor) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:16:34 +0100 From: Marco Fossati Subject: Re: Religion of Ylaruam another cult in Ylaruam: the cult spread by Magian Priest of Fire, an evil cult which is related to ancient Nithian religion... Marco Fossati Giampaolo Agosta ha scritto: Yes, it does. The Gaz mentions The Old Man of the Sea, The Gnoll, and Zephyr as Immortals related to the end of Nithia. The Old Man of the Sea is also the chief Immortal Guardian, and Al Kalim's patron. Thanatos and Corona are mentioned as enemies of this pantheon. No identities are given for these Immortals except these pseudonyms, but most articles assume that The Old Man of the Sea be Protius, The Gnoll Pflarr, and Zephyr Odin. Note that early Alasiyan are also credited with the introduction of certain mystic beliefs in Sind -- the Fakirs. The Dervishes are also members of a druidic-like faith that became the basis for the development of the Eternal Truth. Hope it helps, G. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:37:43 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Blackmoor --- Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > However, Havard is definitely the authority on the > matter -- he's been following closely the new Blackmoor since the > beginning. Sorry about not commenting on this sooner, but I am on vacation in central europe this week, so checking my email hasnt really been a priority. However, I couldnt resist getting into a topic like this. How strong is the connection between Blackmoor and Mystara? With the DA series, Blackmoor was firmly placed on the planet of Mystara sometime in its past, though modern Mystara and Blackmoor are separated not only by time, but also by the GRoF actually, beyond being the cause of the GRoF, it could not have too much impact on the Mystara setting. We are left with the things that could have survived all of this: Immortals, scattered remains of technology, races/monsters, possibly some of the cultures. ZGG has a lisence to publish Blackmoor material, but for the moment at least do not have a lisence to publish or even mention Mystara. Still, there are quite a few references in there for people to find if they are looking for that kind of thing. More on this later... Havard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:46:19 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Blackmoor --- "Vinicius R. de Moraes - USP Solar" wrote: > Dear Andrew, > isn't Zeitgeist's Blackmoor done by Dave "God" > Arneson just like Mystara's? If so, would he disagree with himself? Dave Arneson is definately involved with ZGG, and although most of the books are written by others, my impression is that he has alot of influence on what is written. Mystara's Blackmoor was not written by Arneson, but especially DA1-2 were greatly based on Arneson's work. He had no say on its inclusion in Mystara, but I see that as a tribute to the man, even more so than Gary's inclusion of Blackmoor on GH. Havard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:02:08 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Blackmoor Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > though modern Mystara and Blackmoor are separated not > only by time, but also by the GRoF actually, beyond > being the cause of the GRoF, it could not have too > much impact on the Mystara setting. We are left with > the things that could have survived all of this: > Immortals, scattered remains of technology, > races/monsters, possibly some of the cultures. Of course, not all Immortals need have survived the GRoF -- we may assume that some died, either because their followers were slain, or because they expended too much power trying to save the planet, or because their enemies took advantage of the situation to attack them. This allows for the disappearance of Immortals (and species, cultures, etc.) that are present in Blackmoor but not in modern Mystara. The reverse creates more problems -- Immortals that are present in Mystara, and are old enough to have been around in Blackmoor, but find no correspondance in Blackmoorian gods, species that appeared in Mystara after the GRoF, but are found as well in Blackmoor (e.g., the goblinoids). Bye, GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:26:34 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: TCR: Jarandros Monikar Hi all, here is one more Thyatian, this time from the Alfheim Gazetteer. Bye, GP Jarandros Monikar Ambassador to Alfheim, AC 973-1007 929-1007 ----------------------------- Appearance Jarandros Monikar was a short but sturdy man, showing clearly is Kerendan origin in his olive complexion and dark hair and his training as a simple legionnaire in his large, powerful shoulders and in his strong limbs. Despite the Kerendan tradition of cavalry, Monikar was trained in the legionnaire heavy infantry, and he is only a fair horseman. In his late years in Alfheim, he used to wear darokinian style clothes, since the elves don't care to distinguish between the humans' formal and informal dressing. History Jarandros Monikar was born in Machetos in year 929, to a poor family. At the age of 17, he joined the army, and his first assignment was on the Isle of Dawn. In five years, he reached the rank of Ducinator thanks to his outstanding behaviour on the field. At the eve of the Spike Assault, Jarandros had nearly reached the peak of his career as a non-commissioned officer in the Thyatian Army. He was nearly 30 years old now, and was supposed to remain in the army with the rank of Mandator for the next five or sixt years, and then to retire from the active service, either taking a job as trainer for the recruits or leaving the army, receiving some free land in the Isle of Dawn, to work his way as a small landowner in the colonies. But in 959, the Alphatian Spike Assault forced Jarandros' Legion, which was quartered on the frontier at the neck of the Isle of Dawn, to withdraw west, trying to reach Redstone Castle. The legionnaires, overrun by the numbers of the Alphatian armies, were massacred. Jarandros' company was one of the few units who managed to reach Redstone, where they helped the garrison to keep the castle until Emperor Thincol came to the rescue, a year later. Forced to rebuild entire legions from one or two veteran companies and lots of new recruits, and understanding that enrolling young nobles and giving them officer ranks would not be of any help, Thincol promoted a number of petty officers, men of great valour but little wealth or name, to command companies or entire legions. To Jarandros, this was the start of a new career. Now, he was the Princeps Centrarch of his Legion. In the following years, a number of high officers who claimed to be loyal to the decesead Emperor Gabrionus V and considered Thincol an usurper, tried to stage a coup against the new Emperor. Spurius Civilis, the commander of Monikar's Legion, was one of the conspirators. He ordered his legionnaires to march on Redstone, trying to secure that fortress from the loyalist forces. Jarandros and most of the other Captains, however, refused to obey, and Civilis was killed while he and his followers tried to escape from the castrum. As a consequence of the failed coup, the ranks of the high officers were decimated, and Jarandros was chosen by Thincol to replace Spurius as General. By 963, Jarandros was one of the most prominent Generals on the Isle of Dawn, and one of Thincol's most trusted men there. By 965, the Emperor was able to arrange Jarandros' adoption into a lesser family of the Zendrolian faction, the YYYYY family. In the following years, Monikar married Beatrice Morrow, a mercenary captain from Akorros, and the couple had two sons, Corvinus (b. 970), and Ruggero (b. 973). In 972, a new military governor was appointed in Septentriona, Quintus Murco, a nobleman from a Optimas family in Thyatis City. Monikar had always been on bad terms with Murco from their times as officers - Murco was higher ranked at first, but Jarandros had been preferred for the position of General, which he had only recently achieved. Therefore, he asked the Emperor to allow him to leave the army by appointing him to a diplomatic position in the Known World, saying that the imminent birth of his second son had pushed him to move nearer to his wife's homeland. Thincol did actually need a good ambassador to send to Glantri, but he didn't consider Jarandros up to the task. Instead, he assigned the ambassador to Alfheim, whom he considered wasted in that rather uneventful land, to the position of Ambassador to Glantri, and replaced him with Jarandros. When Monikar left the army, he took with him his best officer and old friend Decimus Ordekis, who got the position of first aide at the Embassy. Jarandros was never suited for the diplomatic work. While he was passable as a bureaucrat, he was less than an expert in elvish etiquette and language, he wasn't a socialite, and his knowledge of espionage was limited to military reconnaisance operations. However, Decimus kept the businness running well, until he was chosen to take the place of the retiring Ambassador to the Minrothad Guilds in 991. To replace Ordekis, a new first aide was sent from Thyatis City, a certain Varos Dominikon, an aristocrat whose corrupt behaviour had caused his "promotion" to that politically irrelevant position. Varos, immediatly started to forge a network of contacts in Alfheim. Had he used it for his job, it would have been good, but Varos was extremely inefficient, being interested only in getting the monopoly of commerce between Alfheim and the Empire. As Monikar grew older, Dominikon obtained more power, and in 996 he was named Factor, controlling much of Thyatian trade in Alfheim. The quality of the Embassy reports dwindled dangerously, as Jarandros health started failing. In 1005, he suffered from a first heart attack during a party at the Embassy. Luckily, Patriarch Dominicus Greybeard was present, and was able to administer curative spells and save Jarandros. By next year, Dominikon had assumed the control of most of the day-to-day activity of the Embassy, and started witholding a number of important clues gathered by Thyatian agents in Alfheim which pointed to the increasing shadow elven activities, in order to continue his high profit businness. When the Shadow Elves invaded Alfheim Town, Jarandros suffered from a second heart attack. This time, however, the priests of the Thyatian Church of Alfheim weren't readily available, and Monikar died, leaving the Empire without a direct representative in the area, and preventing any diplomatic action for a few but crucial days. Dominikon, left alone, was able to eliminate all remaining proof of his corruption. Personality Jarandros was a typical Thyatian legionnaire, even after leaving the army: the military training marked forever his personality, making him a stern, silent man, with few close friends and little patience for the elves of Alfheim, whom he deemed too noisy and rigorous. Monikar himself was absolutely honest and asked his aides to behave the same way. However, he wasn't smart enough to spot Dominkon's activities, worse he did never even suspect him of being less than a reliable employee. A perfect Stefan, as they say in Karameikos... Allies & Enemies Jarandros' best ally was always his old comrade Lord Ordekis, who was at the time of Monikar's death the Ambassador to the Minrothad Guilds. Besides his close family, Ordekis and Patriarch Greybeard, an old priest of the Church of Thyatis whom he had met in Alfheim, he had no real friends. While he did understand the advantages of joining an aristocratic gens, he had little personal interest in his adoptive family, which he saw more like a group of political allies than relatives. While Jarandros was loyal to Thincol, the Emperor's interest for him had dropped when he decided to leave the army, as he wasn't of use anymore. The Ambassador had a strong enemy in Factor Dominikon, though he never discovered it. Had he lived longer, Dominikon's intrigues would have put Jarandros in trouble. Politically, Jarandros was a staunch supporter of gens Zendrolian, and thought little of most other faction, especially the Philosophers, whose excessive caution was to him a sure sign of weak commitment to the Empire's glory, and the gens Aurelia, for their ideas of theocratic influence would have brought to puppet Emperors, if left unchecked. Surprisingly enough, he was rather lenient towards the Republicans, an uncommon disposition among the Optimates. Jarandros justified it considering that there cannot always be a Thincol to save the day, and when there will be no heroic would-be emperor, perhaps the Republicans' ideas could prove useful. Statistics 12th level Fighter, Myrmidon kit, All LN Str 13, Int 14, Wis 12, Dex 12, Con 13, Cha 12 Languages: Thyatian (Kerendan and Thyatis dialects), Alphatian (Northern Isle of Dawn accent), Elven (with a strong accent). Weapon Proficiencies: Short Sword (sp), Pilum (sp), Dagger, Armor Specialization, Sword and Shield Fighting Style, Wrestling specialization. Non-weapon proficiencies: Military Tactics, R/W Thyatian, Horse Riding, Firebuilding, Direction Sense. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:00:21 -0500 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: Blackmoor Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > This allows for the disappearance of Immortals (and species, cultures, > etc.) that are present in Blackmoor but not in modern Mystara. > The reverse creates more problems -- Immortals that are present in > Mystara, and are old enough to have been around in Blackmoor, but find > no correspondance in Blackmoorian gods, species that appeared in > Mystara after the GRoF, but are found as well in Blackmoor (e.g., the > goblinoids). > Some Immortals might have been originally active only on other worlds, and were attracted to Mystara by the Rain of Fire and other Immortal's efforts to save it; others may have been active in places on Mystara that aren't covered by the Blackmoor books. (How much surface area is covered by Blackmoor books compared to the Known World and other modern Mystara settings?) Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:37:04 -0000 From: Mark Howard Subject: Sorcerer in BD&D rules Has anyone developed rules for placing a sorcerer type class in BD&D rules. I'm thinking along the lines of the Hakomon class from GAZ11, but I'm not sure about the isolationist and restriction tendencies, especially in less tribal societies (although I think a more or less direct translation could work in say in the Atruaghin Clans). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:53:28 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes - USP Solar" Subject: Re: Sorcerer in BD&D rules At 20:37 2/3/2006, you wrote: > Has anyone developed rules for placing a sorcerer type class in BD&D rules. Is it Basic D&D? > I'm thinking along the lines of the Hakomon class from GAZ11, but I'm not > sure about the isolationist and restriction tendencies, especially in less > tribal societies (although I think a more or less direct translation could > work in say in the Atruaghin Clans). Yes, AC seems good for sorcerers. Mark, are you a member of the Mystara3E Yahoogroup? Vini ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:56:16 -0500 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page (was: Blackmoor) this came up May last year didn't in Vini. I can't remember if at that time somebody said that they might do something to assist with that. At 07:01 PM 28/02/2006, you wrote: > At 15:46 28/2/2006, you wrote: >> How well does the DDA 1-4 series of modules ( Adventures in Blackmoor, >> Temple of the Frog, City of the Gods, The Duchy of Ten ) fit in with the >> rest of the Mystara material. > > Is that material mentioned on Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page? Do you guys think that there is something valuable for Mystara-Blackmoor that is not there? > > (SNIP) > > Once again, I thank you people. > vini > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 1 Mar 2006 to 2 Mar 2006 (#2006-39) *************************************************************