Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 13 Mar 2006 to 14 Mar 2006 (#2006-50) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 15/03/2006, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 16 messages totalling 610 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Japanese Rules Cyclopedia (15) 2. Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page (was: Blackmoor) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:36:40 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia I just wrote an article about the Japanese version of the Rules = Cyclopedia, which I got today. Have a look, it's got photos of the = books and some of their illustrations! http://mystara.thorf.co.uk/jrc.html I also wrote the Projects & Articles page, so check it out too: http://mystara.thorf.co.uk/projects.html While I'm at it, you might want to check out my new homepage too, though = it's still heavily under construction. http://www.thorf.co.uk/ Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:10:21 -0500 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Shawn's "prodlist.htm" page (was: Blackmoor) At 03:15 PM 7/03/2006, you wrote: > --- shawn stanley skrev: > > > nothing as far as I know, I can't recall if anyone > > has taken it up, and > > given the lack of other responses here probably not. > > When this last came out, I provided a list of the > relevant ZGG products available at that time. I > actually think David Keyser(?) said he would include > them, especially since two Non TSR Blackmoor products > already appear on the list, one of them even non D&D. yeah that's the list I've got saved in my current files directory for the Vaults which is a constant reminder that something was going to happen with all of this. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:49:16 -0400 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Looking at the scans I am reminded of the first time I saw an nth-generation copy of Record of Lodoss War at my university's science fiction society. Articles at the time said the Japanese loved D&D.=20 When was that exactly? ~1994? Damn, now I feel old. ;) On 14/03/06, Thorfinn Tait wrote: > I just wrote an article about the Japanese version of the Rules Cyclopedi= a, which I got today. Have a look, it's got photos of the books and some o= f their illustrations! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:58:02 -0600 From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Youngster, I've been playing since 1977... George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Carter" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Looking at the scans I am reminded of the first time I saw an nth-generation copy of Record of Lodoss War at my university's science fiction society. Articles at the time said the Japanese loved D&D. When was that exactly? ~1994? Damn, now I feel old. ;) On 14/03/06, Thorfinn Tait wrote: > I just wrote an article about the Japanese version of the Rules Cyclopedia, which I got today. Have a look, it's got photos of the books and some of their illustrations! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:25:35 -0400 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Did I mention when I started playing? ;) But yes, you "beat" me by 7 years for length of time playing. I started with red box OD&D in 7th grade in 1984. I guess "Slayers" is big - whatever that is. But maybe it's dead in Japan now since I keep hearing the name in Canada. On 14/03/06, George Hrabovsky wrote: > Youngster, I've been playing since 1977... > > George ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:56:49 +0100 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia I already made a couple of comments on this topic over at the WotC forum, but here is another one. Do any of the contents differ when it comes to the setting. Is Mystara mentioned? What about maps? Anything? Håvard --- Thorfinn Tait skrev: > I just wrote an article about the Japanese version > of the Rules Cyclopedia, which I got today. Have a > look, it's got photos of the books and some of their > illustrations! > > http://mystara.thorf.co.uk/jrc.html > > I also wrote the Projects & Articles page, so check > it out too: > > http://mystara.thorf.co.uk/projects.html > > While I'm at it, you might want to check out my new > homepage too, though it's still heavily under > construction. > > http://www.thorf.co.uk/ > > Thorf > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:14:08 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Hi Havard, > I already made a couple of comments on this topic over at the WotC forum, but here is another one. > > Do any of the contents differ when it comes to the setting. Is Mystara mentioned? What about maps? > Anything? Yes... In fact, an initial flick through the books revealed a complete lack of any mention of Mystara. :-( The maps and the mini gazetteer both seem to be missing, as are the optional rules. If anyone has any other specific questions, please feel free to ask. I can check easily enough. Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:38:22 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Steven Carter ha scritto: > > I guess "Slayers" is big - whatever that is. But maybe it's dead in > Japan now since I keep hearing the name in Canada. There's a (great, IMO) fantasy-themed anime with that name. But I see from google there's also a korean mmorpg with the same name, so I wouldn't know which you are referring to. Bye, GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:49:25 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/aze/anime/slayers/ Off the top of my head I'd say that one. And I've been playing since 7th grade too, 1981 or so. Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > so I wouldn't know which you are referring to. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:00:11 +0800 From: Jason Murphy Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Oh god....do i ever feel the rheumatism setting in. Playing since the 6th grade '83. Started with the OD&D boxed set that had the purpley type book and came with B2. I remember playing the module...over....and over....and over again with various modification due to the serious dearth of RPG gear in Western Australia at that time. Was amazing what variation on a theme that 11 year olds could come up with :-) Still playing regularly now....and the odd thing is i am not even the oldes= t gamer in the group....by at least 10 years. Coupla guys in their 40's which is impressive considering how late the game made it out our way. On 3/15/06, Daniel wrote: > > http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/aze/anime/slayers/ > > Off the top of my head I'd say that one. > > And I've been playing since 7th grade too, 1981 or so. > > Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > so I wouldn't know which you are referring to. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:05:44 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia I start out with the AD&D Players Guide, DM Manual and the Basic set your talking about. After a trip to Naples (was on a Naval base in southern Italy) I managed to pick up the Expert Box along with Gamma World, Top Secret and Dragon #36. I used to have spiral-bound notebooks full of notes on how the known world "really" was and how I envisioned each country that was on the map of X1: Isle of Dread. I really miss those days, some things are so overdone now (sigh) Jason Murphy wrote: > Started with the OD&D boxed set that had the purpley type book > and came with B2. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:13:28 +0800 From: Jason Murphy Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia > > really miss those days, some things are so overdone now (sigh) > I totally hear you there. Over the years i was part of many gamer groups that usually gradually evolved from one group of players to another. We fooled around with quite a few gaming systems, Gamma world, aftermath, AD&D= , Star Trek, but always returned to OD&D, possibly mainly due to my influence= . However now we are well embroiled in a groovy 3rd ed campaign set on an fairly altered greyhawk. Set some 50 years after the failed attempt by some heroes to defeat the "Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil", which was ou= r previous campaign. The GM has done a good job of setting the scene, with some of the characters from the earlier campaign still alive, and one in particular a major player for the forces of evil. Our new players of course only aware of these guys from legends. On 3/15/06, Daniel wrote: > > I start out with the AD&D Players Guide, DM Manual and the Basic set > your talking about. After a trip to Naples (was on a Naval base in > southern Italy) I managed to pick up the Expert Box along with Gamma > World, Top Secret and Dragon #36. I used to have spiral-bound notebooks > full of notes on how the known world "really" was and how I envisioned > each country that was on the map of X1: Isle of Dread. > > I really miss those days, some things are so overdone now (sigh) > > > > Jason Murphy wrote: > > >Started with the OD&D boxed set that had the purpley type book > >and came with B2. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:28:07 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia I'm highjacking the thread for a second and thought I'd ask real quick. When TSR was doing things near the end, around the time the Rules Cyclopedia came out. Did it seem that they were testing things in Basic before porting it over to AD&D? Mystara got the GAZ series then Forgotten Realms got theirs a year later. Yarlarum(sp) came out and AD&D got an arabian setting a short time later. Flying ships for the Heldannic Knights, afterwards SpaceJammer came out for AD&D. Am I imagining all this because the products came so close to each other or did it honestly seem like D&D became a testbed for AD&D? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:33:35 +0800 From: Jason Murphy Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia Interesting concept. I simply prefer to believe that the OD&D design teams were streets ahead of the competition and that the others shameless followed in their wake and capitalised on their true genius ;-) On 3/15/06, Daniel wrote: > > I'm highjacking the thread for a second and thought I'd ask real quick. > > When TSR was doing things near the end, around the time the Rules > Cyclopedia came out. Did it seem that they were testing things in Basic > before porting it over to AD&D? > > Mystara got the GAZ series then Forgotten Realms got theirs a year > later. Yarlarum(sp) came out and AD&D got an arabian setting a short > time later. Flying ships for the Heldannic Knights, afterwards > SpaceJammer came out for AD&D. Am I imagining all this because the > products came so close to each other or did it honestly seem like D&D > became a testbed for AD&D? > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:35:26 -0600 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia I think they tapped Bruce Heard's typewriter ;) When is he due back on Dragon/Dungeon? Or is that up in the air still? Jason Murphy wrote: > Interesting concept. > I simply prefer to believe that the OD&D design teams were streets ahead of > the competition and that the others shameless followed in their wake and > capitalised on their true genius ;-) > > > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:19:06 -0800 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Japanese Rules Cyclopedia --- Daniel wrote: > Mystara got the GAZ series then Forgotten Realms got > theirs a year later. I'd say it was probably just a matter of a general idea that they then decided to expand into a cross-game concept. Gaz1 came out sometime between January and May of 1987, with FR1: Waterdeep and the North coming out sometime at the end of the same year (between August and December). The FR campaign set came out sometime between the two- I'm not exactly sure where. > Yarlarum(sp) came out and AD&D got an arabian > setting a short time later. Ylaruam came out in 1987 as well (prior to FR1), but Al-Qadim didn't come out until 1992- quite a length of time between products. I'd say those two concepts/products were created independently of one another. > Flying ships for the Heldannic Knights, afterwards SpaceJammer came out for AD&D. This seems about right- I'm pretty sure the VotPA series was underway before Spelljammer came about. It's a pretty close thing, though- I'd have to check my Dragons to be sure (and I just put them away, so it will have to wait a bit), but I think they both came out in 1989. > Am I imagining all this because the products came so > close to each other or did it honestly seem like D&D > became a testbed for AD&D? I think it's probably just a matter of the product release dates- bear in mind that there is quite a bit of turnaround between development and release (even in the conditions TSR fell into later in their business career, prior to WotC taking over), so a lot of these ideas were probably germinating all over the offices. Also, there was some cross-pollination between both systems- just look at the class-race combinations of the rakasta and lupins of later days (as opposed to the OD&D race=class mentality that dominated all the way up through Gaz10 and the humanoid classes). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 13 Mar 2006 to 14 Mar 2006 (#2006-50) ***************************************************************