Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 Mar 2006 to 24 Mar 2006 (#2006-58) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 25/03/2006, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 2 messages totalling 101 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Blackmoor Immortals 2. Any good programs for dungeon mapping ? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:15:45 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Blackmoor Immortals Mark Howard ha scritto: > Given that Ordana was the creator of the elves, on Mystara, wouldn't she > have been their main patron, pre GRoF? And only since their urbanisation > under Blackmoor did they move away from her path. Yes, but if you look at the Blackmoor pantheons (you can find a list here: http://www.dablackmoor.com/MMRPG/index.php?name=Downloads&req=getit&lid=16 ), you'll see that there's an Elven pantheon of eight powers, including Faunus, Terra and indeed Ordana, who all survived, even though two of them are not anymore patrons of the Elves (and even Ordana has a very limited following among elves, compared to, say, Ilsundal, Rafiel or Eyrindul). There are more problems with the other five elven powers, Ferros, Fiumarra, Hydros (though Havard proposed Protius as Hydros, which could solve the problem by simply assuming that after GRoF or even during the rise of Blackmoorian technology, Protius focused on the protection of the sea people, leaving the land folks to their own devices), Dealth and Sylvain. From what I see in the file linked above, Ferros is a true neutral smith god, Fiumarra a chaotic power of elemental fire, Dealth is a patron of magic and a trickster god, and Sylvain is an (oddly, true neutral) chaos/entropy god. Now, I can see Fiumarra as Mother Fire, a legendary Immortal said in the Ierendi Gaz to have warred with the Old Man of the Sea (Protius, though he is called Tethys there). I suppose this Immortal may have retreated to the Elemental Plane of Fire after GRoF. For Ferros, I see two possibilities. Either he died in the GRoF, and in this case he may be the lost patron of the Belcadiz elves (the only elves known for their swordcraft and their lack of Immortal patrons), or maybe he is Wayland. The latter case is possible is Wayland is old enough, and while Marco's description sets his ascension date in the XX century BC, there's no real anchor in canon. IMC, Wayland ascended before the GRoF, and was a Blackmoorian elf wizard, a Fire Giant shaman, a Kogolor Dwarf thief and a Skandaharian warrior during his Polymath path. Dealth is quite like Eyrindul, but they can't be the same individual -- unless Dealth renounced or lost Immortality and was reincarnated as Eyrindul. Sylvain doesn't seem to fit anywhere. Bye, GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:46:04 +0100 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: Any good programs for dungeon mapping ? I have something great in my magical treasure trove... Give me some time to find it back... I think it was something like "dungeon crafter" which worked fine (i did some dungeon maps that are still on my site www.mystara.addr.com) I can send it to you if you cannot find it anymore Thibault Sarlat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles Leblanc" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Any good programs for dungeon mapping ? Hi, I am looking for a good program/web-site with which I could do square dungeon maps, preferably something free. Anyone has any suggestions ? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 Mar 2006 to 24 Mar 2006 (#2006-58) ***************************************************************