Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 May 2006 to 3 May 2006 (#2006-85) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 04/05/2006, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 8 messages totalling 415 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Claw (Was: Re: [MYSTARA] Anyone do Red Steel?) (2) 2. Claw (3) 3. Denagoth Gaz (2) 4. unofficial gazetteers ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:50:57 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Claw (Was: Re: [MYSTARA] Anyone do Red Steel?) Átila Pires dos Santos ha scritto: > > I guess if they are descendants of kobolds but different enough, they could > be considered an different raceand, thus, not conflict with the cannon > information that there are no kobolds in the Savage Coast =) Yes, that would be easier. One could probably use Tasloi stats and appearance, and say they are simply another breed of goblinoids, this one only appearing in some areas of the Savage Coast. > Yes, as LB mercenaries, i like this idea. This would give then a propose to > leave Cay instead of fighting to the death the not-so-friendly-now cayma > (especially because of the instability of their grenadies, death would > propably be their destiny, hehe =D). First Seaview, then the rest of the > Savage Coast. > Anyway, thy are not an vital part of the game, just an funny addition. We > could simply ignore their existence in this adaptation too. Even if they do > exist, their race would be quite rare, anyway. If we went with the Seaview option, then they could be common in that area, but rare or absent elsewhere, like the Cayma themselves. > I just noticed that bugbears are not mentioned anywhere in Red Steel/Savage > Coast books. Curious... Pehaps, then there are bugbears there, but not among > the Yazak/Yazi/Yazug goblinoids, but in Dunwick (since some goblinoids live > there). But how an very chaotic bugbear becomes, at least in part, an > civilised being? Goblinoids on the SC are savage, but not especially evil or chaotic. Even the Gnolls, who are usually very chaotic and mostly evil can be "quite civilized" -- those of the Grande Carrascal are certainly the among the most civilized goblinoids. Bugbears would not be a major addition, though indeed they are definitely not so common in the Savage Coast. Probably there is no large bugbear tribe on the Savage Coast, just lesser bands. > Another question, if an Inheritor becames afflicted, all the detriment > effects of his legacies manifests? Some of then are contradictory... And > what about if an Afflicted becomes an Inheritor without removing the > detriment effects? Will he adquire more detriment effects? Yes and yes. I suppose some DM ruling would be needed for contradictory afflictions, but all of them should appear. Anyway, becoming afflicted is often deadly for the Inheritor, since multiple ability scores draining may lower one or more scores below 0. Bye, GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:07:29 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Claw --- Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > I'd rather keep them as full-blooded Kobolds, > possibly a western variant with slightly mouse-like features. What happened to the Ratling option? I went back to Quest for the Silver Sword yesterday and found them described as ratlike humanoids with small eyes. Since nothing else was mentioned I assume them to be roughly man-sized. The mouse-men could be relatives of these? I remember some time ago there was a discussion of a civilization of Ratlings living beneath the Savage Coast... Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:14:05 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Claw Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > What happened to the Ratling option? I went back to > Quest for the Silver Sword yesterday and found them > described as ratlike humanoids with small eyes. Since > nothing else was mentioned I assume them to be roughly > man-sized. The mouse-men could be relatives of these? That's another option as well. We're just considering a few different choices... > I remember some time ago there was a discussion of a > civilization of Ratlings living beneath the Savage > Coast... Yes, there was an entry in the MA that proposed ratlings as derived from Thyatian wererats. Bye, GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:37:59 +0000 From: Gary Davies Subject: Re: Denagoth Gaz The direct link is http://home.ec.rr.com/drjpostings/Wendar.zip, but Old Da= wg doesn't have much space so it will be taken down when the next Gaz is re= leased - end of June hopefully. Regards Gary ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 00:49:12 -0400 > From: WIKANWAY@JETBROADBAND.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] Denagoth Gaz > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > =20 > I was looking thru the Denagoth Gaz and it mentioned something about the = Realms of Wendar Gaz does someone have the link I could get this from? > =20 > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:22:35 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1tila_Pires_dos_Santos?= Subject: Re: Claw On 5/3/06, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > Havard Faanes ha scritto: > > > > What happened to the Ratling option? I went back to > > Quest for the Silver Sword yesterday and found them > > described as ratlike humanoids with small eyes. Since > > nothing else was mentioned I assume them to be roughly > > man-sized. The mouse-men could be relatives of these? > > That's another option as well. We're just considering a few different > choices... Indeed. By the way, pehaps the "mouselings" are a ratling/kobold interbreed= ? =3D) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:34:51 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1tila_Pires_dos_Santos?= Subject: Re: Claw (Was: Re: [MYSTARA] Anyone do Red Steel?) On 5/3/06, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > Yes, that would be easier. One could probably use Tasloi stats and > appearance, and say they are simply another breed of goblinoids, this > one only appearing in some areas of the Savage Coast. I think this could work =3D) > If we went with the Seaview option, then they could be common in that > area, but rare or absent elsewhere, like the Cayma themselves. By the way, are there any cannon source for Seaview except for X9 and Red Steel maps? > Goblinoids on the SC are savage, but not especially evil or chaotic. > Even the Gnolls, who are usually very chaotic and mostly evil can be > "quite civilized" -- those of the Grande Carrascal are certainly the > among the most civilized goblinoids. Sure. I guess I only got used to see "quite civilized" gnolls in Mystara (E= l Grande Carrascal and Graakhalia) =3D) > Bugbears would not be a major addition, though indeed they are > definitely not so common in the Savage Coast. > Probably there is no large bugbear tribe on the Savage Coast, just > lesser bands. That's probably the case. But why the bugbears were left out of Red Steel? > Yes and yes. I suppose some DM ruling would be needed for contradictory > afflictions, but all of them should appear. Anyway, becoming afflicted > is often deadly for the Inheritor, since multiple ability scores > draining may lower one or more scores below 0. And if this Afflicted chraracter that became an Inheritor, when this happened, he lost 8 points from the apropriate ability score? Or he rolls again the 2d4? And if the rolled, for example, 2 in the 2d4, when he became an Inheritor, this drop to 8 points automactly? This I posted on the boards and now i'm bringing to here (for avoiding lose this): I'm toying with the Tanaka idea, imagining it like the sudanese Iorub=E1 tr= ibe that influencied brazilian culture, including its pantheon. Than the idea o= f an female sea Immortal came to my mind (based in one of these afro deities, an female sea deity called Iemanj=E1) and I started to wonder if an male Immortal could be worshipped as an female Immortal... But I realised that Yavi people worships Calithia Starbrow and that Mealiden, in the rest of Mystara, are not considered an sea Immortal. I guess he would fit as patron of the swashbucklers, but why patron of seafarers? Even the seafarers elves/aquatic elves tend to worship Calithia instead of Mealiden... so, Milan is, indeed Mealiden? Or pehaps Milan is the patron of the Swashbucklers and other Immortal (Calithia or Protius, probably) takes care of the Savage Baronies seas? If I had to choose one of those two, I would pick Calithia, because Tanaka influence and because "Ba=EDa da Sereia" (Bay of the Mermaid); I guess Los Guardianos/Os guardi=F5es might picture her as the "Mermaid Queen". but Protius could be interesting too, brought with the Ispans from Thyatis, lik= e Ixi=F3n. Pehaps Espas worships Protius and the Verdans, Calithia. By the way, an Immortal equivalency list: ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tanaka - Verdan/Espa - "Real" Name Iemanj=E1 - Iara - Calithia Starbrow Ogum - Fanha/Fa=F1a - Vanya Oxum - Val=E9rias - Valerias Xang=F4 - A Ju=EDza/La Jueza - Tarastia Yav - *** - Yav Apparently Yav haven't find its place among Los Guardianos religion and ended forgotten. This names I'm using for the Oiob=E1 (mystava version of t= he Iorub=E1) are the real ones (like the real ones are used with the norse pantheon), but we could change these. These deities looks much like the Immortal correspondents, except for Xang=F4 and Ogum being male deities... What do you think, guys? =3D) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:42:06 +0100 From: Mark Howard Subject: Re: Denagoth Gaz Has anyone else confirmed that they will host it after that (like Shawn). I could do for a bit, but I'm not sure about bandwidth (space isn't a problem atm). -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Gary Davies Sent: 03 May 2006 09:38 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Denagoth Gaz The direct link is http://home.ec.rr.com/drjpostings/Wendar.zip, but Old Dawg doesn't have much space so it will be taken down when the next Gaz is released - end of June hopefully. Regards Gary ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 00:49:12 -0400 > From: WIKANWAY@JETBROADBAND.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] Denagoth Gaz > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > I was looking thru the Denagoth Gaz and it mentioned something about the Realms of Wendar Gaz does someone have the link I could get this from? > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:30:48 -0700 From: Joe Kelly Subject: Re: unofficial gazetteers Can the GIF map be translated into a printable copy? I prefer maps I can = refer to on the table for all my players to see.=20 :) Joe Joe Kelly Office Services Clerk DAVIS & COMPANY LLP Suite 2800, Park Place 666 Burrard Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6C 2Z7 Phone 604.643.6365 This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 2 May 2006 to 3 May 2006 (#2006-85) *************************************************************