Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 7 May 2006 to 8 May 2006 (#2006-90) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 09/05/2006, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 13 messages totalling 861 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Claw (Was: Re: [MYSTARA] Anyone do Red Steel?) 2. Kara-Kara (6) 3. Saga Rules Byron Molix etc 4. New maps, castle border and homepage update (3) 5. Verdans, Oiobás and Phanatons (2) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:31:37 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Claw (Was: Re: [MYSTARA] Anyone do Red Steel?) Átila Pires dos Santos ha scritto: > > I agree > Something like 900 AC would be more than enough to allow Claw adventure to > happen in 1010 AC. I was worried that Bastet might had come only around 1000 > AC =) No, not that recent, most likely she's had some time to start running her cults. > By the way, an year in Mystara has only 336 days, while in Laterre/Earth has > 365 days. In 12, 13 years, you get an extra year. Are you considering this > difference when comparing Laterre/Mystara dates? =) Not here, the approximation was too rough. However, on the Italian MMB there's a small project for compared timelines that makes the correct computations for most worlds. The thread: http://www.25edition.it/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=2&Forum_Title=Mystara&Topic_Title=Timeline+comparate+Mystara%2Daltri+mondi&CAT_ID=23&FORUM_ID=98&TOPIC_ID=28299 And the resulting comparison table (by "Lo Zompatore"): http://it.geocities.com/lutetius2/Mappe2/Tabella_corrispondenze_timeline3.jpg We didn't consider Laterre, probably for lack of good anchoring dates. Bye, GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:33:57 +0200 From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: Re: Kara-Kara Thorfinn Tait wrote: > Still, it's interesting to think about, because it took me many years > to even notice the strangeness of our fantasy worlds. ^^;> I guess > my suspension of disbelief is just too good - kinda the exact > opposite of the bad reputation D&D used to have, wherein people would > "lose touch with reality" and other such nonsense. My 2 cents: Kara Kara is clearly a "racist" monster, simply because they came directly from the XIX and XX centuries western imagination about savage pacific isles inhabited by cannibalistic savage people, used for countless adventure tales (even if clearly real polynesian people were much more pacific and tollerants than western people at the time). That said, all Mystara is full of stereotypes used just for fun: from ylari fanatics to Alphatian and Thyatian roman/american/russian-like imperialistic empires and so on. Probably Mystara is the less politically correct fantasy world ever, and that's good. This nature of Mystara, IMO, should and was meant to encourage players and DM to view every culture as intrinsically "good", and Evil just for its enemies, and the humanoids gazeteer demonstrate that. No one can maintain an opinion of humanoids as mindless and evil monster to be simply slaughtered by the PCs after reading Gaz10. I think that this aspect of Mystara is exactly what make it greatly superior to any other fantasy setting, from tsr and not. IMO it's good and right if the players see the humanoids as Evil, but I don't think that the DM should have the same prejudice, especially because you could develop interesting adventures insinuating some doubts on the players or using interesting humanoids PCs and NPCs. BTW, after many years of studying RW history, I think that the true Orcs of our world were We, whites, europeans and western people: We attacked without reason, enslaved, slaughtered and conquered all the other cultures of the world, from africans to native americans to polynesians, asians and native australians. Besides, we directly descend from the barbarians people who destroyed past civilizations like Rome and many more before, leaving just ruins behind. If you consider this, you could better comprehend Orcs :-) because Orcs are just like us, some years ago :-) Bye Francesco Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:58:14 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Kara-Kara Some interesting thoughts there Francesco! One detail to add is that the myth of the savage cannibalistic pacific islander also existed among the native islanders themselves. When Europeans came to an island they would often hear such stories told by the natives of one islands about the natives of the next island, though when they arrived there, they would hear these people tell the same stories about the ones they had just visited. Fantasy is all about including creatures from myths and in a fantasy world myths are often real. Although Orcs can be portrayed as misunderstood primitive humans, many DM's prefer to run them as truly evil. Brutal and savage might be more appropriate though; Orcs are often the agents of evil simply because they are so easy to manipulate by greater and truly evil creatures or demons. Håvard --- Francesco Defferrari skrev: > Thorfinn Tait wrote: > > Still, it's interesting to think about, because it > took me many years > > to even notice the strangeness of our fantasy > worlds. ^^;> I guess > > my suspension of disbelief is just too good - > kinda the exact > > opposite of the bad reputation D&D used to have, > wherein people would > > "lose touch with reality" and other such nonsense. > > My 2 cents: Kara Kara is clearly a "racist" monster, > simply because they > came directly from the XIX and XX centuries western > imagination about savage > pacific isles inhabited by cannibalistic savage > people, used for countless > adventure tales (even if clearly real polynesian > people were much more > pacific and tollerants than western people at the > time). That said, all > Mystara is full of stereotypes used just for fun: > from ylari fanatics to > Alphatian and Thyatian roman/american/russian-like > imperialistic empires and > so on. Probably Mystara is the less politically > correct fantasy world ever, > and that's good. > This nature of Mystara, IMO, should and was meant to > encourage players and > DM to view every culture as intrinsically "good", > and Evil just for its > enemies, and the humanoids gazeteer demonstrate > that. No one can maintain an > opinion of humanoids as mindless and evil monster to > be simply slaughtered > by the PCs after reading Gaz10. I think that this > aspect of Mystara is > exactly what make it greatly superior to any other > fantasy setting, from tsr > and not. > IMO it's good and right if the players see the > humanoids as Evil, but I > don't think that the DM should have the same > prejudice, especially because > you could develop interesting adventures insinuating > some doubts on the > players or using interesting humanoids PCs and NPCs. > BTW, after many years of studying RW history, I > think that the true Orcs of > our world were We, whites, europeans and western > people: We attacked without > reason, enslaved, slaughtered and conquered all the > other cultures of the > world, from africans to native americans to > polynesians, asians and native > australians. Besides, we directly descend from the > barbarians people who > destroyed past civilizations like Rome and many more > before, leaving just > ruins behind. If you consider this, you could better > comprehend Orcs :-) > because Orcs are just like us, some years ago :-) > Bye > Francesco > > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:02:29 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Kara-Kara I suppose the illustration of the Kara-Kara helps project the image of them as racist since it was so similar to how certain ethnic groups were portrayed in newspapers, school books etc in the past, but later rejected as racist. If I was to use them again, I would probably rather portray the Kara-Kara in the like of the natives of Skull Island from the latest King Kong movie. Håvard --- "Ohad Shaham (Morphail)" skrev: > I remember being in New Zealand and seeing Maoris > dance an "authentic Maori dance". Even though it was > a > tourist attraction, my imagination made me think of > savage, toothed-sword wielding orcs with a bent to > eat > me alive. All that said, I do not think any less of > Maori/pacific people simply because I once DMed "The > Isle of Dread"... I think that racism only applies to real-world > analogies to fantasy (demonic jews and so forth) and > not the other way around (circumsized Bataazu? I am > OK > with that!). The Kara Kara have a civilisation that > is > inspired (vaguely) by polynesian peoples of the 17th > century, I don't think anyone in their right minds > will make the ilogical connection and attribute > anything "orcish" to anyone of polynesian ethnicity. > > > Morphail (The Jewish vampire with a silly accent) > > --- Angelo Bertolli wrote: > > > Átila Pires dos Santos wrote: > > > > Should I fell offended because my name is Átila > > and Yagrai mortal name > > was > > > Akilla? =) > > > Only if you can make money or stir up trouble with > > it ;) > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > > To unsubscribe, send email to > > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Håvard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:18:15 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Re: Kara-Kara Regarding that image, I have a feeling that the original comment by = Samwise on the MMB may not have been referring to racism against Pacific islanders/Polynesians. I have posted asking him to clarify. It does seem that Mystara is probably the campaign setting most open to negative stereotyping, due to the deliberate raiding of the history = books that was done to make most of the cultures. It shouldn't be surprising = if there are some potentially racist or prejudiced elements, because = history is inherently biased, and even relatively recent history contains racism as = a fact of life at that time. But with that said, it is up to us to decide how to deal with those occurrences. We all have our own cultures, and we can all make informed decisions for ourselves and our roleplaying groups that the original TSR authors couldn't hope to understand. In short: I don't think anything should be dismissed simply because one group of people labels it racism. It's all or nothing, and Mystara = contains so much stereotyping that if you do decide to take it seriously, you = should probably just give up on it altogether. It's a similar situation to South Park: they abuse everyone, so they get away with it. Mystara doesn't abuse people deliberately, but it does = have fun with things and contains a lot of parodies. But it does it all in a generally fair-minded and positive way. Thorf > -----Original Message----- > From: Mystara RPG Discussion=20 > [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Havard Faanes > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:02 PM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Kara-Kara > =20 > I suppose the illustration of the Kara-Kara helps project the=20 > image of them as racist since it was so similar to how=20 > certain ethnic groups were portrayed in newspapers, school=20 > books etc in the past, but later rejected as racist. > =20 > If I was to use them again, I would probably rather portray=20 > the Kara-Kara in the like of the natives of Skull Island from=20 > the latest King Kong movie.=20 > =20 > H=E5vard ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:55:23 -0300 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Kara-Kara That description (the last sentence of the quoted paragraph) alone makes for good advertising. :) On 08/05/06, Francesco Defferrari wrote: > Thorfinn Tait wrote: > My 2 cents: Kara Kara is clearly a "racist" monster, simply because they > came directly from the XIX and XX centuries western imagination about sav= age > pacific isles inhabited by cannibalistic savage people, used for countles= s > adventure tales (even if clearly real polynesian people were much more > pacific and tollerants than western people at the time). That said, all > Mystara is full of stereotypes used just for fun: from ylari fanatics to > Alphatian and Thyatian roman/american/russian-like imperialistic empires = and > so on. Probably Mystara is the less politically correct fantasy world eve= r, > and that's good. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:43:32 +0200 From: Luca Daverio Subject: Re: New maps, castle border and homepage update I've taken a look at your website: it's awesome! It's full of useful things and the map are very good! Thank you! :) Luca -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] Per conto di Thorfinn Tait Inviato: domenica 7 maggio 2006 17.48 A: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Oggetto: [MYSTARA] New maps, castle border and homepage update This weekend Hugues from the MMB has kindly done some work on updating my homepage, and you can now find all the latest versions of my maps at my homepage, http://mystara.thorf.co.uk/. Especially of note are the updated versions of my replicas of GAZ1 and GAZ10 maps, which feature my latest work: a reconstruction of the castle border graphics from the Gazetteer series. This could be of use to a lot of other projects, I'm sure, and I have also remade the gatehouse and gate graphics for the pattern. If anyone wants a copy of the files, please let me know. If there is a lot of interest, I might just post them on my site. Aside from that, my most recent map is the City of the Stars Cavern map at 2 miles per hex, available both as a replica of the original and in a corrected version. If you haven't had a look at my new web site yet, please go and have a look. I promise you won't regret it. ^^ Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:56:26 -0700 From: Joe Kelly Subject: Re: New maps, castle border and homepage update All these new maps are cool. Unfortunately to me they are useless. They = are too big to print off. I know of a copy company could print them for = me, but I need to know, How well will they print out? Will they be too = small? Or will they come out blurry? Can anyone tell me? Thanks.=20 Joe Joe Kelly Office Services Clerk DAVIS & COMPANY LLP Suite 2800, Park Place 666 Burrard Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6C 2Z7 Phone 604.643.6365 This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:52:56 +0200 From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: Re: Kara-Kara Thorfinn Tait wrote: > It's a similar situation to South Park: they abuse everyone, so they > get away with it. Mystara doesn't abuse people deliberately, but it > does have fun with things and contains a lot of parodies. But it > does it all in a generally fair-minded and positive way. Yeah, sure, and that's also a good aspect and a unique characteristic of the setting. In Mystara you can Dm a very serious adventure with funny elements and jokes, especially regarding humanoids, but the same could be said for Ierendi, the Five Shires, Glantri and any other KW nation. bye Francesco Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:10:12 -0700 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: New maps, castle border and homepage update Oh Thorf's maps are very printable. I have single page copies of most of them, and multiple page copies of a few. Multizar the Mage Joe Kelly wrote: All these new maps are cool. Unfortunately to me they are useless. They are too big to print off. I know of a copy company could print them for me, but I need to know, How well will they print out? Will they be too small? Or will they come out blurry? Can anyone tell me? Thanks. Joe Joe Kelly Office Services Clerk DAVIS & COMPANY LLP Suite 2800, Park Place 666 Burrard Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6C 2Z7 Phone 604.643.6365 This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.

Check me out! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:00:17 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1tila_Pires_dos_Santos?= Subject: Verdans, Oiob=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E1s?= and Phanatons These are some thoughts about the verdans and other "related" people, the yavi Oiob=E1 and the phanatons of Jibar=FA. Thanks Giampaolo and Thorf for = the ideas =3D) -Babosas Babosas was an verdan-speaker barony, east of Vilaverde, conquered and absorved by Hule in 971. Originally settled by traladarans and hulian-descended humans, this region was deeply influenced by the verdan traders. Eventually, the powerful verdan traders of the Babosas family claimed this land as their own barony. The verdan cultural influence can still be noted in the names Babosas (now Babriz) and Carac=F3is (Snails, no= w Karakoy). -Marino Originally part of Narvaez and now part of Texeiras, Vila Franca has an unique Verdan dialect, heavily influenced by Espa (based on Galician). Capital of the barony of Marino, Vila Franca had an seafarer tradition comparable to Porto Preto, also due verdan influency. Vila Franca used to attract many Vanya followers because this town had a relic of Vanya, a weapon she used when she was alive. How this relic ended in Vila Franca is not known; even the story how it was found is questionable. It is said that a young peasant had a dream where he was bein= g guided through Guadalimas and showed where this lost relic was. The relic was brought back to Vila Franca and the fame of the lost relic of Fa=F1a/Fa= nha spread in the region. Not much after this, the last independent elven settlement were conquered by Ispan Conquistadores, inspired by the relic, making their way to Torre=F3n through Vila Franca. The relic had disappeared afret the last local wars, when Vila Franca was ruined. -Tanaka The verdan culture differs from Espa due Yavdlom influence. The Yavi people that settled on the Savage Baronies region was called Oiob=E1. This tanagor= o humans lived on an small island, close to the Serpent Peninsula. Guided by an Babalawo/Ramla (seer), Ekundayo, leader of the seafarers Oiob=E1, ordere= d his people to prepare themselves to migrate, their home was no longer safe. So, they arrived in the north shores of the Gulf of Hule (906 AC) and found the ruins of a fishing village (it's name was Villa Naval). Following the prediction, they settled there, renaming the village as Adetokunbo (that means "the crown came from over the sea"). The Oiob=E1 claimed all the regi= on between Vilaverde and Narvaez as part of Yavdlom, absorving the local verda= n settlers and mingling with them (many oiob=E1 find their way into Vilaverde= as well). When the old Ekundayo died (909 AC), his two sons divided the land; while part of it was officialy still part of Yavdlom, the other part now wa= s the Dominion of Tanaka, with Adetokundo as the capital. Eventually, the Yavdlom territory became Texeiras in (929 AC) and twenty nine years later Takana was absorved by it. Oiob=E1 culture deeply influenced the verdan people. This includes the verd= an favored Immortals: Oiob=E1 Verdan "Real Name" Iemanj=E1 | A Sereia | Calithia Starbrow Ians=E3 | Fanha | Vanya Oxum | Val=E9rias | Valerias Xang=F4 | O General | Thor Exu | O Embaixador | Masauwu There are other Immortals that the Oiob=E1 that still lives in Yavdlom also worships: Orunmil=E1-If=E1 | Yav Ogum | Halav O=E7anhe | Zirchev Ox=F3ssi | Faunus Ibeji | Korotiku Nan=E3 | Hel Abalua=EA | Chardastes Omolu | Yagrai -Jibar=FA These are the translations of the Jibar names. This is a rather speculative list, considering Jibar is the mystaran version of Tupi language. Words marked with * aren't cannon; Translations between # are cannon. -SETTLEMENTS Jibar=FA =3D Great Chief's Tomahawk, "Great Chief's Warriors" ("Ji" means Tomahawk and "Mbaru" means Great Chief) Itucu=E1 =3D Lake of the Noisy River ("Itu" means Noisy River and "Cu=E1" m= eans Lake, Bay or Hole) Cafu=E1 =3D Palm tree (from "Camu=E1") Cana-U=ED =3D Old-#Soul#, "Venerable Soul", "Venerable Ordana" ("Iu'Kan" me= ans Old) Ixu=ED-Bi=E1 =3D #Land#-Person, "Phanaton Land" ("Mbi=E1" means Person) Cur=FA =3D Child (from "Curumim") Cuirib=E1 =3D Many Tails ("Cui" means Tail and "Tiba" means Many) Mara=E1 =3D Rattle (from "Marac=E1") Irixum=E1 =3D Walk back, "Hunters-on-foot" ("Iri" means To Return and "Etum= a" means Leg) Ji-Tapar=E1 =3D Swallow-Warrior, "Winged Warriors" ("Ji" means Tomahawk and "Taper=E1" means Swallow) Ara=ED =3D Tempestuous (from "Arani") Marau-Pur=FA =3D #Mother#-Navel, "Terra's Navel" (from "Puru=E3") Ajum=E1 =3D Yellow (from "Ajub=E1") *Sumar=E1 =3D Enemy (from "Sumar=E3") -------------------------------- -GEOGRAFIC FEATURES Ur=FA (Battle of) =3D Mouth (from "Yur=FA/Ur=FA") Uatuma-Ij=FA (Ballte of) =3D #Huntsman#-Thorn, "Zirchev's Thorn" ("J=FA/Ij= =F5" means Thorn) Jurur=FA (River) =3D Melancholic, Sad Xing=E1 (River) =3D Canoe (from "Igara") Acua-U=ED (Forest of) =3D Great-#Soul#, "Ordana, the Great Forest Soul" ("A= =E7u" means Big, Great) Parau-Ix=E1 (Hills of) =3D Angry-Fellow ("Parahy" means Angry and "Apix=E1"= means Fellow) ------------------------------- -IMMORTALS, CREATURES AND PEOPLE U=ED =3D #Soul# (from "M=F6uel"; a.k.a. Ordana) Marau-Ixu=ED =3D #Mother#-#Earth# ("Arya", "Mama" means Mother and "Iwi" me= ans Land; a.k.a. Terra) Uatum=E1 =3D #Huntsmen# ("Uya" means Arrow and "P=FAra/Awa" means Person; a= .k.a. Zirchev) *Iara =3D Mother of the Waters (from "Yara"; a.k.a. Calithia) *Tup=E3 =3D Thunder (from "Tupana"; a.k.a. Thor) *Jaci =3D Moon (from "Yaci" a.k.a. Valerias) *Guaraci =3D Sun (from "Kwaraci"; a.k.a. Ixion) *Curupira =3D Body of Child ("Curumim" means Child and "Pira" means Body) *Boitat=E1 =3D Fire Snake ("Mboi" means Snake and "Tata" means Fire) Barana-U=ED =3D #Orchid#-#Soul# ("Deboterame" means Flower) Uriji-Xu=FA =3D #Forest#-#Whisper# ("Yw" means Tree and "Yur=FA/Ur=FA" mean= s Mouth) Comments: The settlement names seems to confirm what is already known: Phanatons were originally organized as independent tribes, which one corresponding to one settlement. Herath actions made the phanatons band together, creating the confederated nation of Jibar=FA (that means: the Phanatons under the Great Chief rule). Sumar=E1 is part of Baronato de B=EAn=E7=E3o. Originally a texeiran trade o= utpost, it was placed here because phanatons didn't trust this humans, fearing that they were like herathians and wanted to attack Itucu=E1. That's the reason = for the name given by the phanatons to this settlement. Through Sumar=E1, the local verdan culture (Baronato de B=EAn=E7=E3o) was influenced by Jibar=FA.Theverdans know what is a Curupira or a Boitat=E1, for example. Jibar culture was influenced by Verdan as well (the Jibar names on the official maps were written in Verdan, for example). Parau-Ix=E1 ("Angry-Fellow") Hills might have this name because of the constant threat Herath was (and still is) to Jibar=FA, making the local phanatons more agressive. The native Immortals were U=ED, Marau-Ixu=ED and Uatum=E1; Verdans brought = Iara, Tup=E3, Jaci and Guaraci with then (although Ixion isn't a popular Immortal= in Texeiras or Vilaverde), but they are not yet popular Immortals in Jibar=FA. Boitat=E1 is said to be an "transparent, flying snake" creature that lives somewhere close to Jibar=FA. According to the legend, this snake acquire th= is special properties because it ate mary eyeballs. This legends probably refers to Ee'aars "mad stars" ability or to the Will-o'-the-Wisps that live in the Grey Swamp. Curupira (and the simmilar legend creatures, Caipora and Saci) is said to be an small, green creature, with deformed body, that protects the forests. Curupira is known for having red hair and twisted feet; Caipora is kown for riding boars; Saci is known for having an red cap and only one leg. It is possible that this legends refers to goblins or fey creatures. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:41:11 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1tila_Pires_dos_Santos?= Subject: Re: Verdans, Oiob=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E1s?= and Phanatons Just realized I forgot to write part of the information about Tanaka: "...Eventually, the Yavdlom territory became Texeiras in (929 AC) and twent= y nine years later Takana was absorved by it, renaming the name of its capital as Velha Navalha (Old Razor), derivating from the original Ispan name Villa Naval (Naval Village)." ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 7 May 2006 to 8 May 2006 (#2006-90) *************************************************************