Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 May 2006 to 13 May 2006 (#2006-95) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 14/05/2006, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 8 messages totalling 409 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. orcs and inherent evil (4) 2. Looking for players for a PbeM 3. To play in Mystara (3) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:29:03 -0400 From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: orcs and inherent evil Thibault Sarlat wrote: > I am not sure about this but it is said elsewhere in Tolkien writings that > the true origin of orcs and troll is not known even by the sages. Them being > respectively twisted elves and treants is only one hypothesis. > What is sure is that their "creator" was Melkor but that since only Iluvatar > had the power to instill life and full sentience, Melkor had to use already > existing material and made his pawn in derision of Illuvatar children > (elves) and the treants. Yet this explanation can work with the first > hypothesis. > > I agree, it was probably Morgoth's doing. But not necessarily by creative means. These could be a race of, for example, elves that were seduced and chose to side with Morgoth early on. But some of Illuvatar's song must have been "evil" because there are other evil spirits that co-exist along side the Valar. For example, Ungoliant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:38:48 +0000 From: "agathokles@katamail.com" Subject: Re: Looking for players for a PbeM > Ooh, pick me, pick me! I hope I am not too late. Sorry, I'm already at 7 players -- I don't think I would be able to handle more :( There seems to be quite some interest in PbeMs though -- I got so many answers in but a few hours. So, prospective PbeM DMs, don't be shy! :) Bye, GP ________________________________________________________________________ SERVIZIO VOICE: TELEFONA e INVIA SMS dal tuo computer a tariffe vantaggiose! Scopri come telefonare e videochiamare gratis da pc a pc. http://voice.repubblica.it ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:26:51 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: orcs and inherent evil I am not sure that ugoliant was part of the great music. She seemed to me very unaligned with morgoth and only joined him to get what she wanted. It is also said that once she got the noldo jewels and the light of the trees, she could have defeated Morgoth (since he it said he was afraid of her and that she managed to flee him) I mean it is possible also to assume that some other sprits did not participate in the great music but yet entered Ea once it was created and tried to take advantage of it. Thibault Sarlat Lorsque le bûcheron pénétra dans la forêt avec sa hache, les arbres se dirent : "Ne nous inquiétons pas, le manche est des notres". When the logger entered the forest with his axe, the trees thought "There is no worries to have, the handle is one of us" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Bertolli" To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] orcs and inherent evil > Thibault Sarlat wrote: > > >I am not sure about this but it is said elsewhere in Tolkien writings that > >the true origin of orcs and troll is not known even by the sages. Them being > >respectively twisted elves and treants is only one hypothesis. > >What is sure is that their "creator" was Melkor but that since only Iluvatar > >had the power to instill life and full sentience, Melkor had to use already > >existing material and made his pawn in derision of Illuvatar children > >(elves) and the treants. Yet this explanation can work with the first > >hypothesis. > > > > > I agree, it was probably Morgoth's doing. But not necessarily by > creative means. These could be a race of, for example, elves that were > seduced and chose to side with Morgoth early on. > > But some of Illuvatar's song must have been "evil" because there are > other evil spirits that co-exist along side the Valar. For example, > Ungoliant. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:28:37 +0200 From: Thibault Sarlat Subject: Re: orcs and inherent evil In Mystara, i realy like the idea that orcs and other "monsters" can be civilized and good spirited. It just depends on the viewer point of vue, and the tension between species. Thibault Sarlat Lorsque le bûcheron pénétra dans la forêt avec sa hache, les arbres se dirent : "Ne nous inquiétons pas, le manche est des notres". When the logger entered the forest with his axe, the trees thought "There is no worries to have, the handle is one of us" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Bertolli" To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] orcs and inherent evil > Thibault Sarlat wrote: > > >I am not sure about this but it is said elsewhere in Tolkien writings that > >the true origin of orcs and troll is not known even by the sages. Them being > >respectively twisted elves and treants is only one hypothesis. > >What is sure is that their "creator" was Melkor but that since only Iluvatar > >had the power to instill life and full sentience, Melkor had to use already > >existing material and made his pawn in derision of Illuvatar children > >(elves) and the treants. Yet this explanation can work with the first > >hypothesis. > > > > > I agree, it was probably Morgoth's doing. But not necessarily by > creative means. These could be a race of, for example, elves that were > seduced and chose to side with Morgoth early on. > > But some of Illuvatar's song must have been "evil" because there are > other evil spirits that co-exist along side the Valar. For example, > Ungoliant. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:18:17 +0200 From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: Re: To play in Mystara agathokles@katamail.com wrote: > There seems to be quite some interest in PbeMs though -- I got so > many answers in but a few hours. So, prospective PbeM DMs, don't be > shy! :) I was thinking that would be a good idea to have some games running in a Mystara message board somewhere. This way, the game could be public (while a Pbem isn't), everyone could take a look at the games played and that could be a good advertising of Mystara for infidels :-), too. It would be possible to have roleplaying threads in the Wizards Community Boards or not? I think that the board would be an ideal location, but if it's not allowed maybe it could be done somewhere else. Maybe some of us could DMs mini-adventures of two-weeks/one month real time, just to show to people and players typical aspect of each personal Campaign, favored settings of Mystara, new developed nations and lands. I headmost would be willing to DMs some little adventures sometimes and to play adventures or campaigns of other people. What do you think about it? Tell me! bye Francesco ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:04:08 -0400 From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: To play in Mystara Francesco Defferrari wrote: > agathokles@katamail.com wrote: > > >> There seems to be quite some interest in PbeMs though -- I got so >> many answers in but a few hours. So, prospective PbeM DMs, don't be >> shy! :) >> > > I was thinking that would be a good idea to have some games running in a > Mystara message board somewhere. This way, the game could be public (while a > Pbem isn't), everyone could take a look at the games played and that could > be a good advertising of Mystara for infidels :-), too. It would be possible > to have roleplaying threads in the Wizards Community Boards or not? I think > that the board would be an ideal location, but if it's not allowed maybe it > could be done somewhere else. > Maybe some of us could DMs mini-adventures of two-weeks/one month real time, > just to show to people and players typical aspect of each personal Campaign, > favored settings of Mystara, new developed nations and lands. I headmost > would be willing to DMs some little adventures sometimes and to play > adventures or campaigns of other people. What do you think about it? Tell > me! > > Actually... I have set up a message board and have been playing for some time now on my own site ( http://forums.heroesonly.com - please disregard my own barely started but unactive game). I really really like it for the reason you gave above, but also because: 1) There is a record of what happened that really helps for people like me becoming forgetful 2) The game can be played at an asynchronous pace. Although #2 was the main reason I wanted to play this way with me and my friends' busy schedule, it might be quite undesirable for other people who want a well-paced game. Another thing I noticed is that people tended to play more actively on the board than by email. Personally, I play 100% through the board, but I know that other people on the forum are playing using a mixture of email/forum. On a side note, someone mentioned to me the usage of OpenRPG. Does anyone know of free software that keep track of character sheets in a nice way? Angelo ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:26:05 +0000 From: "agathokles@katamail.com" Subject: Re: To play in Mystara > I was thinking that would be a good idea to have some games running in a > Mystara message board somewhere. This way, the game could be public (while a > Pbem isn't), everyone could take a look at the games played and that could > be a good advertising of Mystara for infidels :-), too. While I myself prefer email over message boards, there are also "intermediate" solutions, such as yahoo or google groups -- these can be set up for public view as well, and can be accessed both wia web and via email. I don't know whether the MMB could be used to run PbForum or not (we could ask the WizOs, of course), but Angelo's website could indeed provide a good environment for a series of one-shot games -- something I'd certainly do if I wasn't busy starting up my new campaign :) I think yours is a great idea, and I hope that it will work. GP ________________________________________________________________________ SERVIZIO VOICE: TELEFONA e INVIA SMS dal tuo computer a tariffe vantaggiose! Scopri come telefonare e videochiamare gratis da pc a pc. http://voice.repubblica.it ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:54:57 -0700 From: Chris Cherrington Subject: Re: orcs and inherent evil Ungoliant was able to feed on the trees, and then she became more powerful = than Morgoth. He feared her, and knew that she would thirst more and soon = try to feed on him. =20 =20 Morgoth captured many elves and tortured them in his dungeons. He twisted = them into the new forms of orcs in mockery of the first born. > Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:26:51 +0200> From: thibault-sarlat@WANADOO.FR> = Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] orcs and inherent evil> To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS= .COM> > I am not sure that ugoliant was part of the great music.> She seeme= d to me very unaligned with morgoth and only joined him to get what> she wa= nted.> It is also said that once she got the noldo jewels and the light of = the> trees, she could have defeated Morgoth (since he it said he was afraid= of> her and that she managed to flee him)> I mean it is possible also to a= ssume that some other sprits did not> participate in the great music but ye= t entered Ea once it was created and> tried to take advantage of it.> > > = Thibault Sarlat> > Lorsque le b=FBcheron p=E9n=E9tra dans la for=EAt avec s= a hache, les arbres se> dirent : "Ne nous inqui=E9tons pas, le manche est d= es notres".> > When the logger entered the forest with his axe, the trees t= hought "There is> no worries to have, the handle is one of us"> ----- Origi= nal Message -----> From: "Angelo Bertolli" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:29 AM> Subject: = Re: [MYSTARA] orcs and inherent evil> > > > Thibault Sarlat wrote:> >> > >I= am not sure about this but it is said elsewhere in Tolkien writings> that>= > >the true origin of orcs and troll is not known even by the sages. Them>= being> > >respectively twisted elves and treants is only one hypothesis.> = > >What is sure is that their "creator" was Melkor but that since only> Ilu= vatar> > >had the power to instill life and full sentience, Melkor had to u= se> already> > >existing material and made his pawn in derision of Illuvata= r children> > >(elves) and the treants. Yet this explanation can work with = the first> > >hypothesis.> > >> > >> > I agree, it was probably Morgoth's d= oing. But not necessarily by> > creative means. These could be a race of,= for example, elves that were> > seduced and chose to side with Morgoth ear= ly on.> >> > But some of Illuvatar's song must have been "evil" because the= re are> > other evil spirits that co-exist along side the Valar. For examp= le,> > Ungoliant.> >> > ***************************************************= *****************> > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/= OtherWorlds.asp> > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com> > To unsub= scribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM> > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L i= n the body of the message.> >> > ******************************************= **************************> The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.c= om/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp> The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com> To un= subscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L = in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a li= fetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 May 2006 to 13 May 2006 (#2006-95) ***************************************************************