Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 4 Apr 2008 to 5 Apr 2008 (#2008-13) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 06/04/2008, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 4 messages totalling 144 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Thyatian dominion 'Rank' (4) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:24:10 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' On 04/04/2008, Greg Weatherup wrote: > > of course if you go back eariler into Feudalism then Viscount and Marquis are just variations on "count", Viscount originally "vice-count" and Marquis or Margrave from Mark-graf or "March-Count"/"Count of the Marches". Sure, but apparently such titles are not distinguished in Thyatis as they are in Glantri (even though there the meaning is not exactly the same, since a Marquis is the ruler of an inner territory rather than an outer one). > For Landed Lord and Landed Knight in Thyatis, I always had two views: 1) any of their dominions are too small to show up at most map scales we have for Thyatis (the smallest scale in any canon map I believe in 8 miles/hex, not counting the maps of Thyatis city itself of course.) That's possible, though the smaller dominion scale is a 24 miles hex, according to the DM's book of DotE. > & 2) These may not even be "imperial" titles in my view (but that gets into a whole nother side topic). That's possible. Maybe only Dukes award these titles, and the Imperial equivalents are Baron and Lord Knight of a Barony. > in the case of "imperial" and most non-imperial titles, yes. Sorry, I was probably not clear. Companion rules state that, in order to become a Count, you need to control more than one Barony, and at least one of them through a vassal Baron. This is not the case in Thyatis -- actually, it is impossible by the Imperial law, as Counts can only make Lords. > >For (1), we have mostly: > >- Terentias (Grand Duchy): possibly awarded the Grand Duchy rank for > >willingly joining the empire. Note that this is confirmed by DotE. > nice... For Biazzan I would probably say either Qadi or Caid, since doesn't the ruler of Tel Akbir go by Sheik informally? > > Is there any cannon info on when Biazzan was established as a Barony/"Qadi-dom"/"Caid-dom"? Not that I know of. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:39:48 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' On 04/04/2008, Joe Mason wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > So, we still have Biazzan, Buhrohur and Caerdwicca as "freestanding" baronies. > > They may be Baronies for a number of reasons: > > - Senate creations not especially liked or approved by the Emperor > > - New fiefs (IIRC, this does not apply to Buhrohur at least) > > Another option is that their rulers don't care for politics and > haven't made any effort to progress to Count. This would make sense > for the Thane. IMO, this is an option only for very recent titles -- otherwise, we would need a whole string of rulers not interested in politics. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:14:53 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > Another option is that their rulers don't care for politics and > > haven't made any effort to progress to Count. This would make sense > > for the Thane. > > IMO, this is an option only for very recent titles -- otherwise, we > would need a whole string of rulers not interested in politics. Well, yes, but that seems reasonable for the foreign-origin baronies who haven't fully assimilated - culturally, they think of them as "thane" or "sheik" or whatever and not Baron or Count anyway. Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:19:12 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1tila_Pires_dos_Santos?= Subject: Re: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' On 4/3/08, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > > However, you'll note that, in the Thyatian system, Barons are fairly > uncommon, and the only Barons are not of ethnic Thyatian origins > (we've got Biazzan, who's clearly Alasiyan, Burhohur, which is a > dwarven barony, and Caerdwicca). Moreover, the "Baron" of Caerdwicca > is actually a Thane. Does this means that the ispan barons at the SC also share this alasiyan origin with the barony of Biazzan? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 4 Apr 2008 to 5 Apr 2008 (#2008-13) *************************************************************