Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 25 Jan 2008 to 26 Jan 2008 (#2008-14) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 27/01/2008, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 11 messages totalling 630 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. coinage and GP's Specularuam Trade Guilds (4) 2. Mystaran Numismatics (2) 3. Thyatis in Norwold (5) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:20:57 -0500 From: Greg Weatherup Subject: coinage and GP's Specularuam Trade Guilds Greetings, >> what is the formula for a coin's volumne? Is it just the formula=20 >> for the area of one side times the thickness? > Yes. ok, good to know. > I agree -- purity should be set at a standard, and only altered in specifi= c cases (e.g., Ierendi). However, at equal size gold/platinum coins are goi= ng to be twice as heavy as silver/bronze coins of equal size hmm.. good point. Should the silver/copper/bronze/brass (hereafter refered= to collectively as Ag/Ae) be cut 120 per pound? that is getting pretty sma= ll but on the other hand RW history has some pretty small silver coins. Or= we could keep Ag/Ae at 60/pound and make Au/Pt 30/pound standard, but then= what about electrum? Perhaps the easiest thing is just to state that the = difference is already accounted for in that the D&D economy values the resp= ective metals differently from in the real world? After doing some quick searching the densities work out roughly as follows:= (in grams per cubic cm) Brass 8 1/2, Bronze 8 3/4, Copper 9, Silver 10 1/2= , Electurm 17, Gold 19 1/4, Platinum 21 1/2, though I am not too sure about= that Bronze value, and there can be much variation in the Brass, Bronze, a= nd Electrum depending on the exact alloy. For Cu/Au/Ag/Pt those values are= for 100% pure metals, whereas the most "pure" of pure RW medieval coins wo= uld be roughly 23 carat (gold is known as high as .997 fine, silver as high= as .958) according to Mackay's guide. These most "pure" of alloys (by a m= edieval standard) would usually be too soft for their needs so more commonl= y they would usually use lower values such as crown (22 carat or .9167) gol= d and sterling (22.2 carat or .925) silver. Given that in the D&D economy = these coins circulate significantly much more than in the RW history that t= hey need to be longer lasting and thus harder and more durable, thus of a l= ower fineness, maybe 18 to 20 carat as a guess. As a technicality it shoul= d be noted that gold less than 18 carat by modern definition is "Electrum" = but this technicality is often overlooked (ie Mackays guide gives the examp= le of a 9 carat gold bullion coin from the Isle of Man). boy, this is far more detail than I had planned on getting into, but you've= got me interested now :) >> hmm, thats an interesting contradiciton... > It may be due to the change in coinage (moving the "Halav" figure on the e= lectrum piece). I'm sorry, you lost me... Is Halav on the gold or the electrum piece in th= e Gaz version? > See "Stolnik" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ruble > It may also be related to "stotinki" (hundreth, 1/100 bulgarian lev) or st= otin (same, but Slovenian). > Maybe the root "sto" (100) was used, with the "nik" suffix (which seems to= be an adjectival suffix in russian). that sounds good. > Viller is most likely derived from Hungarian Filler (from German Vierer, 4= ), a subunit (cent) of several Hungarian currencies. hmm.... As a default approach I've been valuing generic Electrum pieces (1e= p) at 8sp so perhaps this Viller is 2sp so that it's 4 Villers per Levu so = as to keep the german root of "4"), we could even keep this going and have = the Stolnik be 0.8cp in value so that it's 100 Stolnik per Levu. On second= though maybe it would be simpler just to change the value of the Levu. th= ere's a couple of different ways we could change the values to keep these r= eal world root relationships, Asuming we even want to do so.... > Note that the Lion is the main charge in the Halag coat of arms, so it is = possible that the "Levu" name was related to the old (pre-migration) Halag = coinage. so thats what that head is, I could never make out what it was supposed to = be. In that case I would say a heraldic tie-in is definately in order. >> well might I sugest use the alloy one for Slagovich and the SCCB=20 >> for the other city states? > That's very reasonable, considering that Slagovich has certainly more acce= ss to Red Steel/Cinnabryl than the others. ok then > If it hasn't been mentioned before, "Lev" is a slavic word meaning Lion so= that fits pretty well... Is there any cannon or fanfic describing why a lion is the heraldic symbol = of old Halag? Interestingly the lion as a heraldic feature is far less com= mon in Mystara than as in the RW. Greg Weatherup GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com http://members.fortunecity.com/gecko_g/ --=20 Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:28:16 -0500 From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Mystaran Numismatics Aloha, wow, I wish I had had these before I designed my system. Thank you. >> can anyone describe them for me? shape? relative sizes to one=20 >> another other? depictions (who/what is on the coin)? That could=20 >> be very helpful. > Daro: standard round coin, with a crenellated edge; a crowned, bearded hea= d facing left on the obverse, scales surmounted by five roundels on the rev= erse. Crenellated edge? does it look standardised and with sharp angles? I'm wo= ndering if this utilizes some gnomish technology or if its done by hand or = possibly hammered over and into a mold of some sort. I'm already using Chr= is's idea of the Daro being a small coin so I personally would change this = to be a depiction of one of the other two gold coins I have in Darokin. 5 = Roundels huh? perhaps since they are over a scale, perhaps that is meant t= o signify the weight. If its 6 scruples maybe its 5/6 pure? just throwing= out preliminary ideals now. If I use this for my selenican concession den= omination coin perhaps the crowned, bearded head is some king/prince/duke f= rom selenica's history? > Half-Daro: similar in size and shape to the daro, with smooth edge; a woma= n's head facing right and wearing a coronet on the obverse, a domed palace = surmounted by five roundels on the reverse. hmm.. I have the Half-Daro as a very large coin, but worth 5sp so perhaps t= hats what the 5 roundels refer to? A lack of a scale so that its not taken = to mean 5 scruples in weight. HOWEVER that would mean the unit of account was the tendrid not the daro, s= o on second thought nevermind. > Tentrid: Oval coin (same height as the others, 2/3 width, more or less), s= mooth edge; an chain-coiffed, crowned, moustached head facing left on the o= bverse; on the reverse, from left two right, two roundels, six wheat ears f= astened together, and a sickle. Oval shaped? Interesting. I think there was some persian coins oval shapp= ed, as well as very small oval kopecs in russia, and oval coins in the orie= nt. As for who the crowned head refers to, I'll leave that to those of you= who know Darokin's history better than I do. I would say the wheat ears a= nd sickle refer to Darokins agricultural wealth, as that seems blatent enou= gh, but is there any significance to the number 6 or is that just random? = The 4 social classes plus 2 to represent something else ???? 6 agricultura= l immortals? I don't know. On a similar note, is the Thyatian Asterius coin described anywhere in any = cannon source? Could the mustached individual be a depiction of the Immort= al Asterius? Perhaps the two roundels are for the two main currencies of t= he tendrius system/tendrius agreement, the tendrius and asterius (I have th= e tendrius agreement/system as a M-Latin Monetary Union between primarily D= arokin and Thyatis as well as many others officially and de facto). > Passem: round coin, 2/3 diameter of the daro; a two wheeled cart surmounte= d by three roundels on the obverse; on the reverse, from top to bottom, four roundels set at the vertices of an (imaginary) lozenge, a b= oat on a wavy sea, and a fish. Is the boat and fish in the middle of the lozenge? perhaps the for roundel= s in a lozenge pattern are meant to represent Lake Amsorak?=20=20 oh I just thought of a better idea... Was there any period of Darokin's his= tory, especially right before unification, where there were 4 dominant stat= es in Darokin? or maybe 4 dominant western states? (If so this idea could = potentially tie into my history of the Passem). > None of these coins bears any inscription. Anepigraphic? That is already spawining a couple of different ideals runni= ng around in my head, let me ponder this one for a bit.... Greg Weatherup GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com http://members.fortunecity.com/gecko_g/ --=20 Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:01:11 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: coinage and GP's Specularuam Trade Guilds On 26/01/2008, Greg Weatherup wrote: > > hmm.. good point. Should the silver/copper/bronze/brass (hereafter refered to collectively as Ag/Ae) be cut 120 per pound? that is getting pretty small but on the other hand RW history has some pretty small silver coins. Or we could keep Ag/Ae at 60/pound and make Au/Pt 30/pound standard, but then what about electrum? Perhaps the easiest thing is just to state that the difference is already accounted for in that the D&D economy values the respective metals differently from in the real world? Electrum is circa 1/2 gold and 1/2 silver, thus the weight of an electrum coin should be midway between gold and silver. IMO, it is best to keep weight consistent, and change sizes. > After doing some quick searching the densities work out roughly as follows: (in grams per cubic cm) Brass 8 1/2, Bronze 8 3/4, Copper 9, Silver 10 1/2, Electurm 17, Gold 19 1/4, Platinum 21 1/2, though I am not too sure about that Bronze value, and there can be much variation in the Brass, Bronze, and Electrum depending on the exact alloy. Electrum depends on the actual percentage of gold, which historically ranges between 45% and 75%, IIRC. Since one ep is 1/2 gp in value, I'd assume about 45%-50% gold content, thus giving a slightly lower density. Brass and Bronze have similar densities, depending on the amount of copper and other metals used in the alloy. The bronze alloy used for 10-20-50 euro cents should have a density of circa 8.5 g/cm3. > For Cu/Au/Ag/Pt those values are for 100% pure metals, whereas the most "pure" of pure RW medieval coins would be roughly 23 carat (gold is known as high as .997 fine, silver as high as .958) according to Mackay's guide. I don't think this changes the issue much -- gold coins are still going to be much heavier than silver or copper coins. If gold coins are actually electrum or red gold, they'll still be twice as heavy as bronze coins of comparable size. > I'm sorry, you lost me... Is Halav on the gold or the electrum piece in the Gaz version? There's no electrum coin in the GAZ. Halav's head appear on the royal (gold coin). > hmm.... As a default approach I've been valuing generic Electrum pieces (1ep) at 8sp so perhaps this Viller is 2sp so that it's 4 Villers per Levu so as to keep the german root of "4"), we could even keep this going and have the Stolnik be 0.8cp in value so that it's 100 Stolnik per Levu. On second though maybe it would be simpler just to change the value of the Levu. there's a couple of different ways we could change the values to keep these real world root relationships, Asuming we even want to do so.... Indeed. Though the real world root often lose their relation to the actual coinage -- the RW filler is generally 1/100 of the primary currency, for example. > Is there any cannon or fanfic describing why a lion is the heraldic symbol of old Halag? Interestingly the lion as a heraldic feature is far less common in Mystara than as in the RW. IIRC, K:KoA has heraldry for Halag, displaying a lion rampant on a field party per saltire, argent and azure. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:13:30 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Mystaran Numismatics On 26/01/2008, Greg Weatherup wrote: > > > >Daro: standard round coin, with a crenellated edge; a crowned, bearded head facing left on the obverse, scales surmounted by five roundels on the reverse. > > Crenellated edge? does it look standardised and with sharp angles? It's drawn with a bordure of short lines perpendicular to the circumference of the coin. There's no side view, so it is impossible to understand whether the edge itself is mulled. > perhaps since they are over a scale, perhaps that is meant to signify the weight. Possibly. The drawing has scales in the lower part, and the roundels arranged along the upper border of the coin. > If I use this for my selenican concession denomination coin perhaps the crowned, bearded head is some king/prince/duke from selenica's history? Could be a Selenican prince, indeed. > Oval shaped? Interesting. I think there was some persian coins oval shapped, as well as very small oval kopecs in russia, and oval coins in the orient. As for who the crowned head refers to, I'll leave that to those of you who know Darokin's history better than I do. Likely one of the earlier kings. > I would say the wheat ears and sickle refer to Darokins agricultural wealth, as that seems blatent enough, but is there any significance to the number 6 or is that just random? The 4 social classes plus 2 to represent something else ???? 6 agricultural immortals? I don't know. No idea, sorry. > On a similar note, is the Thyatian Asterius coin described anywhere in any cannon source? Could the mustached individual be a depiction of the Immortal Asterius? Not likely, it's shown wearing a chain mail coif under the crown, most likely representing a warrior king. > Is the boat and fish in the middle of the lozenge? Nope, the roundels are above the boat. > oh I just thought of a better idea... Was there any period of Darokin's history, especially right before unification, where there were 4 dominant states in Darokin? or maybe 4 dominant western states? (If so this idea could potentially tie into my history of the Passem). Before unification? Darokin was divided in some 15 states in 700 AC: http://pandius.com/darokinmod6xh.jpg However, western Darokin was divided in four states/nations in ancient times: http://pandius.com/darokin8300bclabels3ya.png GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:14:44 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: coinage and GP's Specularuam Trade Guilds On 26/01/2008, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > Is there any cannon or fanfic describing why a lion is the heraldic symbol of old Halag? Interestingly the lion as a heraldic feature is far less common in Mystara than as in the RW. > > IIRC, K:KoA has heraldry for Halag, displaying a lion rampant on a > field party per saltire, argent and azure. But no reason is given... GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:54:34 EST From: Erol Bayburt Subject: Re: coinage and GP's Specularuam Trade Guilds In a message dated 1/26/2008 2:21:31 AM Central Standard Time, gecko_g@EMAIL.COM writes: > hmm.. good point. Should the silver/copper/bronze/brass (hereafter refered to collectively as Ag/Ae) be cut 120 per pound? that is getting pretty small but on the other hand RW history has some pretty small silver coins. Or we could keep Ag/Ae at 60/pound and make Au/Pt 30/pound standard, but then what about electrum? Perhaps the easiest thing is just to state that the difference is already accounted for in that the D&D economy values the respective metals differently from in the real world? To kibitz here, 120 per pound isn't that small. For comparison, US dimes are 200 per pound, US pennies are 181 per pound, and US nickles are 91 per pound. Pre-1964 when dimes were silver and pennies were solid copper, the numbers were US dimes: 181 per pound, pennies 146 per pound, nickles 91 per pound, and (silver) quarters 73 per pound. So my advice (free, and worth every copper piece) is to cut the silver/copper/bronze/brass 120 per pound. ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:16:44 -0800 From: "Richard B." Subject: Thyatis in Norwold Does anyone know when Thyatis began poking around up there? I can't seem to tack down when this first occurred. Thanks, R. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:48:11 +0100 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Thyatis in Norwold On 26/01/2008, Richard B. wrote: > Does anyone know when Thyatis began poking around up there? I can't seem to tack down when this first occurred. Oceansend was founded in 900 AC, IIRC. However, Thyatian presence in Norwold could date back to earlier times. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:27:37 -0500 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Thyatis in Norwold One could follow the pattern of European enterprises in North America before the first official colonies were established to extrapolate details. It might go back 500 or more years easily. Depends on what the Thyatians think they can get out of the place and if private endeavours could get past the reavers from the Northern Reaches realms. When did Alphatia first get involved in the area. If Thyatis knew the Alphies were interested they would ( most likely ) be interested too unless some ignorant fool said, "Let the Alphies freeze in the dark if they like." On 26/01/2008, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > On 26/01/2008, Richard B. wrote: > > Does anyone know when Thyatis began poking around up there? I can't seem to tack down when this first occurred. > > Oceansend was founded in 900 AC, IIRC. > However, Thyatian presence in Norwold could date back to earlier times. > > GP > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:11:20 -0800 From: "Richard B." Subject: Re: Thyatis in Norwold According to Dawn of the Emperors there was a Thyatian presence in Norwold as early as 14 AC with the founding of the trade post Cape Alpha in the Great Bay. The info was vague enough, however, that I just assumed they had already been there before 14 AC, but it never says when they first made contact with that region. I suppose the near constant fighting with Alphatia and the Northern Reaches could explain the 886 year gap between the foundings of Cape Alpha and Oceansend, so I suppose it's not out of the question for explorers to discover Norwold anywhere up to two or three hundred years before that. Does that sound reasonable? Steven Carter wrote: One could follow the pattern of European enterprises in North America before the first official colonies were established to extrapolate details. It might go back 500 or more years easily. Depends on what the Thyatians think they can get out of the place and if private endeavours could get past the reavers from the Northern Reaches realms. When did Alphatia first get involved in the area. If Thyatis knew the Alphies were interested they would ( most likely ) be interested too unless some ignorant fool said, "Let the Alphies freeze in the dark if they like." On 26/01/2008, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > On 26/01/2008, Richard B. wrote: > > Does anyone know when Thyatis began poking around up there? I can't seem to tack down when this first occurred. > > Oceansend was founded in 900 AC, IIRC. > However, Thyatian presence in Norwold could date back to earlier times. > > GP > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:06:19 +0100 From: la Volpe Subject: Re: Thyatis in Norwold I don't have the books with me but I think that Cape Alpha was destroyed and no official Thyatian settlement was founded in Norwold until 900 AC (Oceansend). I assume that there has been a slow build-up, for instance after the alliance between Ostland and Thyatis, more and more Thyatian ship have sailed northwards toward Heldann and Norwold to trade and maybe build some farms and merchantile outposts (or, more probably, use and expand upon the harbours of already existing communities). The increased trade required a sort of official stance, so Oceansend was founded as a reference site for all the Thyatians in the area and for future Thyatian interests in the region. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Praefectus Castrorum of the XIVth Cohort Redstone (Saxa Rubra), Thyatis "Richard B." ha scritto: According to Dawn of the Emperors there was a Thyatian presence in Norwold as early as 14 AC with the founding of the trade post Cape Alpha in the Great Bay. The info was vague enough, however, that I just assumed they had already been there before 14 AC, but it never says when they first made contact with that region. I suppose the near constant fighting with Alphatia and the Northern Reaches could explain the 886 year gap between the foundings of Cape Alpha and Oceansend, so I suppose it's not out of the question for explorers to discover Norwold anywhere up to two or three hundred years before that. Does that sound reasonable? Steven Carter wrote: One could follow the pattern of European enterprises in North America before the first official colonies were established to extrapolate details. It might go back 500 or more years easily. Depends on what the Thyatians think they can get out of the place and if private endeavours could get past the reavers from the Northern Reaches realms. When did Alphatia first get involved in the area. If Thyatis knew the Alphies were interested they would ( most likely ) be interested too unless some ignorant fool said, "Let the Alphies freeze in the dark if they like." On 26/01/2008, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > On 26/01/2008, Richard B. wrote: > > Does anyone know when Thyatis began poking around up there? I can't seem to tack down when this first occurred. > > Oceansend was founded in 900 AC, IIRC. > However, Thyatian presence in Norwold could date back to earlier times. > > GP > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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