Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 10 Apr 2008 to 11 Apr 2008 (#2008-16) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 12/04/2008, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 3 messages totalling 147 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Thyatian dominion 'Rank' (3) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:25:24 -0500 From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' hey hey, this is FINALLY letting me reply to the list, yay! I've been tryi= ng daily for a while now! Giampaolo Agosta wrote: >> >> of course if you go back eariler into Feudalism then Viscount and=20 >> Marquis are just variations on "count", Viscount originally=20 >> "vice-count" and Marquis or Margrave from Mark-graf or=20 >> "March-Count"/"Count of the Marches". > Sure, but apparently such titles are not distinguished in Thyatis as > they are in Glantri (even though there the meaning is not exactly the > same, since a Marquis is the ruler of an inner territory rather than > an outer one). sorry, what I was trying to imply was that perhaps Thyatis could be followi= ng the earlier RW example where the unique 'sub-steps' of Viscount and Marq= uis/Margrave/Mark-graf had not yet arisen. >> For Landed Lord and Landed Knight in Thyatis, I always had two=20 >> views: 1) any of their dominions are too small to show up at most=20 >> map scales we have for Thyatis (the smallest scale in any canon=20 >> map I believe in 8 miles/hex, not counting the maps of Thyatis=20 >> city itself of course.) > That's possible, though the smaller dominion scale is a 24 miles hex, > according to the DM's book of DotE. 24 mile hex for a lord or knight? Seems like Thyatis would have run out of= land a long, long time ago at that rate! (doesn't that work out to several= hundred square miles?) Atila_Pires_dos_Santos wrote: >> >> However, you'll note that, in the Thyatian system, Barons are fairly >> uncommon, and the only Barons are not of ethnic Thyatian origins >> (we've got Biazzan, who's clearly Alasiyan, Burhohur, which is a >> dwarven barony, and Caerdwicca). Moreover, the "Baron" of Caerdwicca >> is actually a Thane. > Does this means that the ispan barons at the SC also share this alasiyan > origin with the barony of Biazzan? hmm..., this conversation does raise the question about the origin of the S= C "Baronies", but It could easily be from somewhere else. (now let me go see if it will let me reply to the other digest message) Greg "Gecko" Weatherup GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com --=20 Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:32:19 -0500 From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' alright... Giampaolo Agosta & Atila_Pires_dos_Santos wrote: >>>> Does this means that the ispan barons at the SC also share this alasiy= ain >>>> origin with the barony of Biazzan? >>> >>> Not necessarily. Most likely, their baronial title was a temporary >>> one, but was never upgraded to Count since Narvaez basically lost >>> contact with Thyatis. >> >> >> But still, it came from somewhere. I mean, if the thyatian system don't h= ave >> a place for barons, the SC baronies should never exist in the first place, >> right? Or if barons are always part of a duchy or grand duchy (such as >> Karameikos), does this mean that Narvaez was originally part of a duchy or >> grand duchy? > It is possible that it was part of a Duchy in Ylaruam, or of Terentias. > However, it is also possible, as in canon, that Baron and similar > titles (Thane, Qadi) also exist as lower noble ranks introduced by the > Senate. Or could the entire SC settlement have been originally intended to have bee= n a larger entity (either Feudal or Province) within Thyatis, and the moder= n baronies meant to have been subdivisions of it? (And obviously such a la= rger administrative entity never arose as the baronies lost/broke their con= nection to the mother empire.) Is that plausable? Greg W. --=20 Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:42:18 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: Thyatian dominion 'Rank' On 11/04/2008, Greg Weatherup wrote: > > Or could the entire SC settlement have been originally intended to have been a larger entity (either Feudal or Province) within Thyatis, and the modern baronies meant to have been subdivisions of it? (And obviously such a larger administrative entity never arose as the baronies lost/broke their connection to the mother empire.) Is that plausable? According to the SC book, only the Baron of Narvaez has an actual charter from the Emperor of Thyatis -- the other barons have no direct ties to the Empire. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 10 Apr 2008 to 11 Apr 2008 (#2008-16) ***************************************************************