Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 8 May 2008 to 21 May 2008 (#2008-21) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 22/05/2008, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 10 messages totalling 989 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. MMB dead? (9) 2. Hello? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:59:07 +0000 From: Havard Faanes Subject: MMB dead? Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC forums.=20 Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to the MMB over the last= few years. Now I am wondering if we should try to get people to get back h= ere or what.=20 How many are still on this list? If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for Mystara and a sad da= y for D&D. :( Havard =0A=0A=0A _________________________________________________________=0A= Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og=0Anotisblokk. = http://no.mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:07:28 -0700 From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: MMB dead? Havard Faanes wrote: > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC forums. What are they? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:12:39 -0400 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: MMB dead? Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse web-based boards and web traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites blocked and notices about appropriate use even if you're on lunch. So, dramatic and scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis? 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC forums. > > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to the MMB over the la= st few years. Now I am wondering if we should try to get people to get back= here or what. > > How many are still on this list? > > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for Mystara and a sad = day for D&D. :( > > Havard > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:27:15 +0000 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: MMB dead? Basically, each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own board/forum. Now they hav= e all been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be drowned by discus= sions about Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings.=20 While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it with other worlds m= eans a loss of identity which will damage the sense of community we had ove= r there.=20 While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely damaging for the o= verall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc.=20 Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be shut down? Havard --- Den ons 2008-05-21 skrev Steven Carter : > Fra: Steven Carter > Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? > Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Dato: Onsdag 21. mai 2008 23.12 > Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse web-based > boards and web > traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites blocked and > notices > about appropriate use even if you're on lunch. So, > dramatic and > scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis? > =20 > 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC > forums. > > > > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to > the MMB over the last few years. Now I am wondering if we > should try to get people to get back here or what. > > > > How many are still on this list? > > > > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for > Mystara and a sad day for D&D. :( > > > > Havard > > > > > > > > > > =20 > _________________________________________________________ > > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > =20 > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.=0A=0A=0A __________= _______________________________________________=0AAlt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Ma= il med adressekartotek, kalender og=0Anotisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:42:31 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Havard Faanes wrote: > Basically, > each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own board/forum. Now they have all been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be drowned by discussions about Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings. > > While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it with other worlds means a loss of identity which will damage the sense of community we had over there. > > While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely damaging for the overall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc. > > Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be shut down? Lots of communities for "dead properties" flourish without any help from the initial copyright owner. If this list gets shut down we'll just end up with a list run by a volunteer that's not at a wizards.com address. If we want to be sure it's a centralized location so people can find it, maybe we can get a board at enworld.org or rpg.net. (Probably enworld - I just checked and they have a "hosted settings" forum.) Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:53:37 -0400 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: MMB dead? Welllll.... the MML hasn't been very active. Seems to me most of the discussion moved to the MMB a while ago. There's a certain flexibility to a web-based forum that is missing in a mailing list but for my part I don't have a lot of time to keep up with the forums. A mailing list is ideal for me. Everyone's concerns about this change sound very realistic and I would expect part of their plan. Ravenloft and Dragonlance I gather are viable commercial properties as are they not both currently or recently licensed? I would imagine Mystara et al are seen as either draining mindshare from Hasbro's other RPG properties or completely irrelevant. Probably the former rather than the latter. However, what I expect is really happening to drain away interest is their unsupportive stance has driven away some, alienated others and made their products irrelevant to still more. ( Along with the product renewal cycle and proliferation of rules additions/expansions - which I totally understand from a business perspective and really empathize with from a creative perspective. ) I like Mystara ( and the Realms ) for what it is. Because of that I rather like a number of other publishers' more old-school oriented works and didn't get interested in divergent settings as the basis for a campaign because of their unique divergences. If I want divergences I'll play something else. Which is why I played... uh, a d20/d%-based game and a d%-based game for the heyday of the AD&D 2nd ed years. I've come to see many things in Eberron that I like - and put them firmly in the pre-cataclysm realm of Blackmoor ( along with stuff from two other steam punk properties from other publishers ) where they belong. ;) 3e/3.5e and the SRD got me interested again. 4e is turning me away. At this point in my life I'd rather spend a few/several hundred bucks on Lego, museum/zoo passes, a telescope and star parties, books, etc for my daughter while she still thinks her daddy is fun. ( or an evening/weekend getaway with my wife while we're still of a mind to do so ) In ten years maybe she'll ( daughter ) be interested in RPGs and I'll introduce her. ( Okay, she's seen me play ADOM, TOME, Angband, NWN and think it's fun to watch. ) So... well, I'm not surprised. I think it would be a good idea at this point if someone started an alternate web forum. Sorry. Not me, but I'll be happy to lurk like I always do once you've put it together.... assuming I have the time. Okay. I'll make an account and login once or twice a year. :D 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > Basically, > each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own board/forum. Now they h= ave all been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be drowned by disc= ussions about Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings. > > While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it with other worlds= means a loss of identity which will damage the sense of community we had o= ver there. > > While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely damaging for the= overall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc. > > Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be shut down? > > Havard > > > --- Den ons 2008-05-21 skrev Steven Carter : > >> Fra: Steven Carter >> Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? >> Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> Dato: Onsdag 21. mai 2008 23.12 >> Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse web-based >> boards and web >> traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites blocked and >> notices >> about appropriate use even if you're on lunch. So, >> dramatic and >> scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis? >> >> 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : >> > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC >> forums. >> > >> > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to >> the MMB over the last few years. Now I am wondering if we >> should try to get people to get back here or what. >> > >> > How many are still on this list? >> > >> > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for >> Mystara and a sad day for D&D. :( >> > >> > Havard >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________ >> > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, >> kalender og >> > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> ******************************************************************** >> > The Other Worlds Homepage: >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com >> > To unsubscribe, send email to >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> > >> >> ******************************************************************** >> The Other Worlds Homepage: >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:48:07 -0700 From: Dave Keyser Subject: Re: MMB dead? I will simply be gravitating to wherever the discussions gravitate to. but thanks WoTC, for announcing that my time isn't valuable and letting me muck through more threads searching for what I am looking for On 5/21/08, Steven Carter wrote: > > Welllll.... the MML hasn't been very active. Seems to me most of the > discussion moved to the MMB a while ago. There's a certain > flexibility to a web-based forum that is missing in a mailing list but > for my part I don't have a lot of time to keep up with the forums. A > mailing list is ideal for me. > > Everyone's concerns about this change sound very realistic and I would > expect part of their plan. Ravenloft and Dragonlance I gather are > viable commercial properties as are they not both currently or > recently licensed? > > I would imagine Mystara et al are seen as either draining mindshare > from Hasbro's other RPG properties or completely irrelevant. Probably > the former rather than the latter. > > However, what I expect is really happening to drain away interest is > their unsupportive stance has driven away some, alienated others and > made their products irrelevant to still more. ( Along with the product > renewal cycle and proliferation of rules additions/expansions - which > I totally understand from a business perspective and really empathize > with from a creative perspective. ) > > I like Mystara ( and the Realms ) for what it is. Because of that I > rather like a number of other publishers' more old-school oriented > works and didn't get interested in divergent settings as the basis for > a campaign because of their unique divergences. If I want divergences > I'll play something else. Which is why I played... uh, a d20/d%-based > game and a d%-based game for the heyday of the AD&D 2nd ed years. I've > come to see many things in Eberron that I like - and put them firmly > in the pre-cataclysm realm of Blackmoor ( along with stuff from two > other steam punk properties from other publishers ) where they belong. > ;) > > 3e/3.5e and the SRD got me interested again. 4e is turning me away. > At this point in my life I'd rather spend a few/several hundred bucks > on Lego, museum/zoo passes, a telescope and star parties, books, etc > for my daughter while she still thinks her daddy is fun. ( or an > evening/weekend getaway with my wife while we're still of a mind to do > so ) In ten years maybe she'll ( daughter ) be interested in RPGs and > I'll introduce her. ( Okay, she's seen me play ADOM, TOME, Angband, > NWN and think it's fun to watch. ) > > So... well, I'm not surprised. I think it would be a good idea at > this point if someone started an alternate web forum. Sorry. Not me, > but I'll be happy to lurk like I always do once you've put it > together.... assuming I have the time. Okay. I'll make an account > and login once or twice a year. :D > > > > > > > > > 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > > Basically, > > each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own board/forum. Now they > have all been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be drowned by > discussions about Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings. > > > > While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it with other worl= ds > means a loss of identity which will damage the sense of community we had > over there. > > > > While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely damaging for t= he > overall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc. > > > > Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be shut down? > > > > Havard > > > > > > --- Den ons 2008-05-21 skrev Steven Carter : > > > >> Fra: Steven Carter > >> Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? > >> Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> Dato: Onsdag 21. mai 2008 23.12 > >> Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse web-based > >> boards and web > >> traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites blocked and > >> notices > >> about appropriate use even if you're on lunch. So, > >> dramatic and > >> scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis? > >> > >> 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > >> > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC > >> forums. > >> > > >> > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to > >> the MMB over the last few years. Now I am wondering if we > >> should try to get people to get back here or what. > >> > > >> > How many are still on this list? > >> > > >> > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for > >> Mystara and a sad day for D&D. :( > >> > > >> > Havard > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _________________________________________________________ > >> > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > >> kalender og > >> > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > > >> ******************************************************************** > >> > The Other Worlds Homepage: > >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >> > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > >> > To unsubscribe, send email to > >> LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >> > > >> > >> ******************************************************************** > >> The Other Worlds Homepage: > >> http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >> The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:46:24 -0400 From: Todd Myers Subject: Re: MMB dead? What is MMB? Todd A Myers "Keeper of the Spellfire Citadel" http://spellfirepage.homestead.com/ToddsspellfirePage.html "don't take life to seriously you'll never get out alive"=20 Van Wilder "Write that down" -----Original Message----- From: Steven Carter To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 3:53 am Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? Welllll.... the MML hasn't been very active. Seems to me most of the iscussion moved to the MMB a while ago. There's a certain lexibility to a web-based forum that is missing in a mailing list but or my part I don't have a lot of time to keep up with the forums. A ailing list is ideal for me. Everyone's concerns about this change sound very realistic and I would xpect part of their plan. Ravenloft and Dragonlance I gather are iable commercial properties as are they not both currently or ecently licensed? I would imagine Mystara et al are seen as either draining mindshare rom Hasbro's other RPG properties or completely irrelevant. Probably he former rather than the latter. However, what I expect is really happening to drain away interest is heir unsupportive stance has driven away some, alienated others and ade their products irrelevant to still more. ( Along with the product enewal cycle and proliferation of rules additions/expansions - which totally understand from a business perspective and really empathize ith from a creative perspective. ) I like Mystara ( and the Realms ) for what it is. Because of that I ather like a number of other publishers' more old-school oriented orks and didn't get interested in divergent settings as the basis for campaign because of their unique divergences. If I want divergences 'll play something else. Which is why I played... uh, a d20/d%-based ame and a d%-based game for the heyday of the AD&D 2nd ed years. I've ome to see many things in Eberron that I like - and put them firmly n the pre-cataclysm realm of Blackmoor ( along with stuff from two ther steam punk properties from other publishers ) where they belong. ) 3e/3.5e and the SRD got me interested again. 4e is turning me away. t this point in my life I'd rather spend a few/several hundred bucks n Lego, museum/zoo passes, a telescope and star parties, books, etc or my daughter while she still thinks her daddy is fun. ( or an vening/weekend getaway with my wife while we're still of a mind to do o ) In ten years maybe she'll ( daughter ) be interested in RPGs and 'll introduce her. ( Okay, she's seen me play ADOM, TOME, Angband, WN and think it's fun to watch. ) So... well, I'm not surprised. I think it would be a good idea at his point if someone started an alternate web forum. Sorry. Not me, ut I'll be happy to lurk like I always do once you've put it ogether.... assuming I have the time. Okay. I'll make an account nd login once or twice a year. :D 008/5/21 Havard Faanes : Basically, each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own board/forum. Now they hav= e=20 ll been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be drowned by discussion= s=20 bout Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings. While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it with other worlds=20 eans a loss of identity which will damage the sense of community we had over= =20 here. While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely damaging for the=20 verall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc. Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be shut down? Havard --- Den ons 2008-05-21 skrev Steven Carter : > Fra: Steven Carter > Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? > Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Dato: Onsdag 21. mai 2008 23.12 > Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse web-based > boards and web > traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites blocked and > notices > about appropriate use even if you're on lunch. So, > dramatic and > scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis? > > 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC > forums. > > > > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to > the MMB over the last few years. Now I am wondering if we > should try to get people to get back here or what. > > > > How many are still on this list? > > > > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for > Mystara and a sad day for D&D. :( > > > > Havard > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Alt i ett. F=C3=A5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________ Alt i ett. F=C3=A5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** he Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp he Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com o unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM ith UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:55:48 -0700 From: Mike Harvey Subject: Hello? No need to reply, just seeing if my subscription worked. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 06:32:24 +0000 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: MMB dead? MMB is short for Mystara Message Board, which is what we have come to call = the Mystara Board over at the WotC forums.=20 Havard --- Den tor 2008-05-22 skrev Todd Myers : > Fra: Todd Myers > Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? > Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Dato: Torsdag 22. mai 2008 06.46 > What is MMB? > =20 > =20 > Todd A Myers > "Keeper of the Spellfire Citadel" > http://spellfirepage.homestead.com/ToddsspellfirePage.html > =20 > "don't take life to seriously you'll never get > out alive"=20 > Van Wilder "Write that down" > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Carter > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 3:53 am > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? > =20 > =20 > =20 > Welllll.... the MML hasn't been very active. Seems to > me most of the > iscussion moved to the MMB a while ago. There's a > certain > lexibility to a web-based forum that is missing in a > mailing list but > or my part I don't have a lot of time to keep up with > the forums. A > ailing list is ideal for me. > Everyone's concerns about this change sound very > realistic and I would > xpect part of their plan. Ravenloft and Dragonlance I > gather are > iable commercial properties as are they not both currently > or > ecently licensed? > I would imagine Mystara et al are seen as either draining > mindshare > rom Hasbro's other RPG properties or completely > irrelevant. Probably > he former rather than the latter. > However, what I expect is really happening to drain away > interest is > heir unsupportive stance has driven away some, alienated > others and > ade their products irrelevant to still more. ( Along with > the product > enewal cycle and proliferation of rules > additions/expansions - which > totally understand from a business perspective and really > empathize > ith from a creative perspective. ) > I like Mystara ( and the Realms ) for what it is. Because > of that I > ather like a number of other publishers' more > old-school oriented > orks and didn't get interested in divergent settings as > the basis for > campaign because of their unique divergences. If I want > divergences > 'll play something else. Which is why I played... uh, > a d20/d%-based > ame and a d%-based game for the heyday of the AD&D 2nd > ed years. I've > ome to see many things in Eberron that I like - and put > them firmly > n the pre-cataclysm realm of Blackmoor ( along with stuff > from two > ther steam punk properties from other publishers ) where > they belong. > ) > 3e/3.5e and the SRD got me interested again. 4e is turning > me away. > t this point in my life I'd rather spend a few/several > hundred bucks > n Lego, museum/zoo passes, a telescope and star parties, > books, etc > or my daughter while she still thinks her daddy is fun. ( > or an > vening/weekend getaway with my wife while we're still > of a mind to do > o ) In ten years maybe she'll ( daughter ) be > interested in RPGs and > 'll introduce her. ( Okay, she's seen me play > ADOM, TOME, Angband, > WN and think it's fun to watch. ) > So... well, I'm not surprised. I think it would be a > good idea at > his point if someone started an alternate web forum.=20 > Sorry. Not me, > ut I'll be happy to lurk like I always do once > you've put it > ogether.... assuming I have the time. Okay. I'll make > an account > nd login once or twice a year. :D > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > 008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > Basically, > each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own > board/forum. Now they have=20 > ll been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be > drowned by discussions=20 > bout Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings. > =20 > While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it > with other worlds=20 > eans a loss of identity which will damage the sense of > community we had over=20 > here. > =20 > While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely > damaging for the=20 > verall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc. > =20 > Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be > shut down? > =20 > Havard > =20 > =20 > --- Den ons 2008-05-21 skrev Steven Carter > : > =20 > > Fra: Steven Carter > > Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? > > Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > Dato: Onsdag 21. mai 2008 23.12 > > Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse > web-based > > boards and web > > traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites > blocked and > > notices > > about appropriate use even if you're on lunch.=20 > So, > > dramatic and > > scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis? > > > > 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes : > > > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC > > forums. > > > > > > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this > list to > > the MMB over the last few years. Now I am wondering if > we > > should try to get people to get back here or what. > > > > > > How many are still on this list? > > > > > > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad > day for > > Mystara and a sad day for D&D. :( > > > > > > Havard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! 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