Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 22 May 2008 to 23 May 2008 (#2008-23) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 24/05/2008, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 12 messages totalling 449 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. MMB stuff safe? (4) 2. MMB dead? (7) 3. Hello again ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:40:13 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? 2008/5/23 Andrew Theisen : > Another question that I raised on the MMB, but will re-ask here- Does anyone with knowledge of how Forums/Mailing Lists work better than I have know if it's possible to somehow link the two? IE, either allow direct posting between the two, or else some sort of archived Board posts that get sent to a Mailing List? AFAIK, the MML already allows web-based reading and posting. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:28:32 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? 2008/5/23 Thorfinn Tait : > > In the end the best host would be someone who has been around for a long > time and plans to stick around for the foreseeable future, who is visible > and well known, and who we all trust. Happily we have rather a lot of > people like that in this community, and I for one would be quite happy for > any one of them to host the board. Same here. > The other thing that's important is the URL, though that problem can be > solved easily if Shawn is able to link to the board from the Vaults. If he > is allowed to do that, then the URL is pretty much irrelevant. Also, IIRC domain names are not that costly. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:05:39 +0100 From: Lee Singleton Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? Hi All, First time (ish) poster, so sorry if this seems like I am stating the obvious. :-) We would also need to make sure that we keep posting a link to our Forums over on the WotC Other World Boards as well. Don't want any potential new Mystara fans to not see the great community that Mystara fans have. I know that no one has heard of me but I too would be happy to host a Mystara forum (though my technical knowledge isn't as good as others on this list I am sure :-)) Lee Singleton Mob: 07825 957 506 www.gamerzevents.com -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Giampaolo Agosta Sent: 23 May 2008 09:29 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB stuff safe? 2008/5/23 Thorfinn Tait : > > In the end the best host would be someone who has been around for a long time and plans to stick around for the foreseeable future, who is visible and well known, and who we all trust. Happily we have rather a lot of people like that in this community, and I for one would be quite happy for any one of them to host the board. Same here. > The other thing that's important is the URL, though that problem can be solved easily if Shawn is able to link to the board from the Vaults. If he is allowed to do that, then the URL is pretty much irrelevant. Also, IIRC domain names are not that costly. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:26:42 -0700 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:40:13 +0200, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > AFAIK, the MML already allows web-based reading and posting. Yep, at http://oracle.wizards.com/archives/mystara-l.html. I'm posting from there now. The interface is horrendous, though. Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:28:23 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Joe Mason wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: > 2) "I don't have access to e-mails at work" (or "I have limited/monitored > access to e-mails at work") > > (BTW I don't read MML, MMB or anything like that at work, but at home.) > > 3) "I don't have access to WEB BROWSING at work" (or "I have > limited/monitored access to WEB BROWSING at work") --> therefore those > people preferred the MML. And the less strict buy more common, "I much prefer to get new messages by email, so I can read them in my favourite mail client" vs. "I much prefer to get new messages on a web-based board". --> Same here. The solution to these is to have a web-to-mail gateway: posting on the message board should send a copy of the post to the mailing list, and vice versa. Joe --> That EXISTS, Joe. It is GoogleGroups (or YahooGroups, they are very similar): you can chose between a) receiving every msgs directly in your e-mail box, preferred client etc (I use Thunderbird) (just like MML) and b) read on the web (just like MMB). Y!G helps a lot with message board/discussion list type of messaging, as it keeps track of threads (for those who want to keep track of the list from the Y!G site, case "b" above). And, of course, GMail (via web, not via e-mail client) also helps a lot with message board/discussion list type of messaging, as it keeps track of threads (VERY good usability!). And for us, Thunderbird/Outblook/Eudora/Netscape/Notes freaks: they also do thread following (Thunderbird's one is VERY good!). So... can I start the YahooGroup???? -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:52:55 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: > --> That EXISTS, Joe. It is GoogleGroups (or YahooGroups, they are very > similar): you can chose between > > a) receiving every msgs directly in your e-mail box, preferred client etc (I > use Thunderbird) (just like MML) and > > b) read on the web (just like MMB). The web interface of Yahoo Groups is terrible, though. I hadn't looked at Google Groups until now - I like it much better. I think I'd be fine with a Google Group. Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:55:40 -0700 From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: MMB dead? Joe Mason wrote: > The web interface of Yahoo Groups is terrible, though. I hadn't > looked at Google Groups until now - I like it much better. I think > I'd be fine with a Google Group. > Both types of Groups are pretty restrictive, though. Does a community for an unsupported world really need to create extra barriers to people joining said community? ENWorld has taken in other communities exiled by WotC before and the sub-forums are visible to all -- unless specially set to not be so -- which would encourage new people to join up. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:21:24 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Beau Yarbrough wrote: > Joe Mason wrote: >> >> The web interface of Yahoo Groups is terrible, though. I hadn't >> looked at Google Groups until now - I like it much better. I think >> I'd be fine with a Google Group. >> > > Both types of Groups are pretty restrictive, though. Does a community for > an unsupported world really need to create extra barriers to people joining > said community? What's restrictive about a Google Group? Lack of anonymous posting? Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:29:26 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Joe Mason wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Beau Yarbrough wrote: > Joe Mason wrote: >> >> The web interface of Yahoo Groups is terrible, though. I hadn't >> looked at Google Groups until now - I like it much better. I think >> I'd be fine with a Google Group. >> > > Both types of Groups are pretty restrictive, though. Does a community for > an unsupported world really need to create extra barriers to people joining > said community? -------- What's restrictive about a Google Group? Lack of anonymous posting? Joe ----------- --> Exactly what I was going to ask. Maybe Beau is talking about membership moderation. Know you, my friend, that it is NOT required i.e. we can create right now a "mystara@yahoogroups.com" (or "mystara@googlegroups.com") and allow free membership and free msg posting. Would that be non-restrictive enough? Cheers! -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:45:32 -0500 From: Magister Mystaros Subject: Re: MMB dead? ---- Havard Faanes wrote: > Dragonsfoot might be a temporary sollution (I post there alot anyway), but given DF's policy on 3E/4E being banned, they cannot provide a home for all Mystara fans. Dragonsfoot. Bah! I am done with them. I had hoped that in the end they would see reason, that gloating over the corpse of the MMB and still keeping out 3E fans of Mystara were bad ideas, but no, they are too bitter. At this rate, the site will eventually die in its own bile. So I am done with Dragonsfoot. > I am glad the MML is still around (for how long?), but I have grown accustomed to posting on web forums, so I would like to see a new home for Mystara somewhere else. There has been talk of a new web forum for all the OOP worlds independent of Wizards. Sounds like a good idea. I guess Pandius can't host one because of the "official" status? How long will that last, I wonder... Yet another incredibly boneheaded move from WotC these days. Amazingly bad management there now; I thought it was bad before, but this is getting ridiculous! James James Mishler www.adventuregamespubs.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:26:14 -0700 From: Mike Harvey Subject: Hello again Testing my account ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 00:45:03 EDT From: Arminath Wynter Subject: Re: MMB dead? Oddly enough, I've been using BFRPG to run my campaign in the Known World for a new group and it's meshed beautifully, almost exactly like my B/X games from when I was younger. Never would have found it without stumbling across Dragonsfoot. As an Old B/X'er and RC player, I'll always view the AD&D/3/3.5E versions of Mystara as an abomination, but I'll always support the setting in general. Jim In a message dated 5/23/2008 3:49:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mystaros@TDS.NET writes: ---- Havard Faanes wrote: > Dragonsfoot might be a temporary sollution (I post there alot anyway), but given DF's policy on 3E/4E being banned, they cannot provide a home for all Mystara fans. Dragonsfoot. Bah! I am done with them. I had hoped that in the end they would see reason, that gloating over the corpse of the MMB and still keeping out 3E fans of Mystara were bad ideas, but no, they are too bitter. At this rate, the site will eventually die in its own bile. 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