Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 May 2008 to 24 May 2008 (#2008-24) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 25/05/2008, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 38 messages totalling 1949 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Is the MML blocking new subscriptions? (3) 2. MMB dead? (11) 3. MMB stuff safe? (21) 4. Notes for an adaptation of Night Below to Mystara (2) 5. Mystara "by night" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:14:03 -0300 From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Is the MML blocking new subscriptions? Friends, I have used 2 different addresses at the MML so far. By that I mean I am no stranger, no newbie. I know how to go in and off the list. With all the talking we have been having, I decided to join the MML with a new account (GMail, see below). After that was done, I was going to remove my "Terra" account. Well, you guys see I have been posting (so MML server is responding to my msgs, just like it did below). But........ there was one msg that was not accepted... it was as if I had never sent it. The one I used to try to join the group with my GMail account. I sent to the right address, and with the right body. But it achieved nothing. My point is... maybe - as a part of a MML extinction move? - the server is just not taking new members anymore? :-O Or that or I forgot how to do basic Internet stuff (http://www.pandius.com/mmlguide.html could not be more STRAIGHT on how to join the MML). Can you guys PLEASE put my theory to the test? Can you guys subscribe to the MML? TIA, Vini ----------------------------- You are not authorized to send mail to the MYSTARA-L list from your vinimagus@GMAIL.COM account. You might be authorized to post to the list from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program configured to use a different e-mail address, but LISTSERV has no way to associate this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you have any questions regarding the policy of the MYSTARA-L list, please contact the list owners at MYSTARA-L-request@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" To: "Mystara RPG Discussion" Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:05:31 -0300 Subject: Test posting via a just-create daccount I fear they are not accepting new MML subscriptions. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:03:32 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: Is the MML blocking new subscriptions? Well, I re-sent the msg and this time it worked. Please do not flame me, it was Wizards's server error. Vini On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team) < vinimagus@terra.com.br> wrote: > Friends, > I have used 2 different addresses at the MML so far. By that I mean I am no > stranger, no newbie. I know how to go in and off the list. > (snip) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:31:36 -0400 From: Todd Myers Subject: Re: MMB dead? I have been lurking on this list for a long time but never heard of the MMB until now where can it be found? Todd A Myers "Keeper of the Spellfire Citadel" http://spellfirepage.homestead.com/ToddsspellfirePage.html "don't take life to seriously you'll never get out alive" Van Wilder "Write that down" -----Original Message----- From: Vinicius R. de Moraes (USP Solar Team) To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 3:37 am Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead? GOOD POINT, H!? ? That was exactly my point when I - twice - tried to convince people to use MML only. A e-mail list is safe, as all the content is decentralised (I still have ALL the MML msgs here, never deleted a sinlge one!).? ? OTOH can we trust someone... *anyone* to keep the content? I do not. I'm a maniac, a control freak. I have the Vaults *entirely* inside my HD. Imagine one that someone attacks/hacks/cracks the original one? I have it all here (yes, I'm aware that there is a 100% probability that Shawn has his own back-up, but I told you guys I'm a control freak).? ? When I asked people to merge both lists (i.e. bring the MMB discussions to MML) we had people saying:? ? 1) "I don't care, I can read both (and I do it)"? ? 2) "I don't have access to e-mails at work" (or "I have limited/monitored access to e-mails at work")? ? (BTW I don't read MML, MMB or anything like that at work, but at home.)? ? 3) "I don't have access to WEB BROWSING at work" (or "I have limited/monitored access to WEB BROWSING at work") --> therefore those people preferred the MML.? ? 4) "Let's keep MMB alive, for that is the way we show WotC that Mystara still has fans and it would be nice - for them, not only for us - to resurrect the setting.".? ? ----------? ? Now let's see:? ? ? - Items 2 and 4 were *pro*-MMB.? ? ? - Item 1 is neutral (true neutral, hehehe).? ? ? - Item 3 is pro-MML.? ? ? ? Even if MMB is 100% "safe", "trustworthy" (e.g. one of us take control of it instead of WotC), there is a problem: the pages are TOO colourful (people have imgs, not only usernames, the page has itself colours and imgs etc). BAD for work. OTOH if you are reading e-mail... it's e-mail, plain text, nobody can tell it is a hobby msg.? ? ? ? Despite the 4 types of opinion above........ number FOUR makes no sense anymore, as WotC has JUST showed us we (actually, people who went for # 4) were WRONG: keeping a Mystara online list, even being kept by WotC, does NO GOOD for bringing back the setting. They just DO NOT CARE? ? So we now have neutral (I'm discarding it) and 2 and 3; the latter can't browse, the first cannot read e-mails.? ? Hence my proposal:? ? We KEEP an online bulletin board, but NOT kept by WotC, but by some 5 of us. I recommend the famous, cool and GOOD phpbb (PHP, the programming language, plus BB for Bulletin Board); check www.phpbb.com That is for those who can't read e-mails.? ? Similarly, we KEEP a e-mail list, but NOT kept by WotC, but by some 5 of us (Yahoogroup or Googlegroup). I am VERY experienced in managing YGs and would like to do that. I'd like to have the "old ones" ALL as moderators (Jenny, Shawn, GP, Havard............). Uh! "mystarabrasil" is already a successful Mystara YG; I created it and it has all the Brazilians of this list (exception made to Andre, the pbem DM, who never replied to my invitation).? ? I hope you appreciate it. Dearly. I TRULY don't like to let other people (companies, who are profit-oriented, specially) to take control of MY stuff, mainly my LOVED hobby, Mystara!!!? ? All the best,? ? -- ----------------------? Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer"? ? ? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Havard Faanes wrote:? ? ? Basically,? ? each of the old OOP worlds used to have their own board/forum. Now they have all been merged, probably meaning Mystara posts will be drowned by discussions about Dark Sun, Dragonlance and other settings.? ? ? While we still have a place for discussions, sharing it with other worlds means a loss of identity which will damage the sense of community we had over there.? ? ? While this has no consequences for the MML, it is likely damaging for the overall Mystaran community, production for Pandius etc.? ? ? Heck, how do we know this list won't eventually be shut down?? ? ? Havard? ? ? --- Den ons 2008-05-21 skrev Steven Carter :? ? ? > Fra: Steven Carter ? ? > Emne: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB dead?? ? > Til: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM? ? > Dato: Onsdag 21. mai 2008 23.12? ? > Uh, yeah. I don't really have time to browse web-based? ? > boards and web? ? > traffic at work is watched. A lot of RPG sites blocked and? ? > notices? ? > about appropriate use even if you're on lunch. So,? ? > dramatic and? ? > scary, hunh? Care to give us a synopsis?? ? >? ? > 2008/5/21 Havard Faanes :? ? > > Dramatic and scary developments over at the WotC? ? > forums.? ? > >? ? > > Most Mystara discussions have moved from this list to? ? > the MMB over the last few years. Now I am wondering if we? ? > should try to get people to get back here or what.? ? > >? ? > > How many are still on this list?? ? > >? ? > > If this decision by WotC is final, it is a sad day for? ? > Mystara and a sad day for D&D. :(? ? > >? ? > > Havard? ? ********************************************************************? The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp? The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com? To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM? with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:01:34 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB dead? Well, that info is not very important now. :-P Just kidding! Even if we are to create another forum, MMB is a very good source! Point is I'm afraid about leaving msgs there and finding out they are GONE. There is a thread about exactly that here at the MML. http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=720 Have fun! Vini On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Todd Myers wrote: > I have been lurking on this list for a long time but never heard of the MMB > until now > > where can it be found? > > > Todd A Myers > "Keeper of the Spellfire Citadel" > http://spellfirepage.homestead.com/ToddsspellfirePage.html > > "don't take life to seriously you'll never get out alive" > Van Wilder "Write that down" > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:11:28 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Thorfinn Tait wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Andrew Theisen wrote: > >> I haven't tried searching yet, but I'm assuming all the old threads are >> still there... just going to be a lot harder to find. I'm certainly going to >> go through and try and archive some of them, though. >> > > If I can make a suggestion, how about we create an index for the Mystara > posts? It seems that they are not going to delete them, and it looks like > everything is indeed still there. A hyperlinked list (ordered > alphabetically, chronologically, or whatever - easy to mess around with the > order in a spreadsheet later) would make for a very nice Mystara sticky at > the top of the forum. I don't fully understand what you propose. > > Doing this would also make the actual archiving job a lot easier, too. > > Thorf Speaking of which: if WotC says "We'll not keep the old forum msgs any longer; you have 7 days to backup them", what do we do? Is there any kind of automatic procedure? Or OTOH we'd have to just save each page via browser and then "rebuild the threads"? -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:12:22 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? Where is it? Vini On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Boonedale wrote: > What about the wiki? How far along is it (if its still > up and active)? > > > "Happy Hunting!" > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:15:41 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:49 PM, shawn stanley wrote: > At 03:27 AM 22/05/2008, you wrote: > >> What worries me is that a lot of interesting stuff was developed and >> most of all ruminated on the boards. While Shawn has done excellent >> work on putting the more finished stuff on the Vaults, a lot of it is >> lost in the old threads. I guess this shows the value of the Vaults, >> and is a good lesson: >> >> Whenever a good and creative discussion pops up, the participants >> might try to gather their results, even in a rough discursive form, >> into a single document, so Shawn can easily post it at the Vaults. The >> participants might circulate the text to smooth some rought edges and >> fill in the gaps etc. For example, there have been very interesting >> discussions on the nature of Radiance, certain Immortals, Economy, >> Ethnography, location of Blackmoor... These resources should not be >> lost. >> > > > this has always been a problem with the system which seems to have > developed for us, with me just taking down whatever appears to me to be > "articles" from either the mailing list or the message boards. Anything > else, whether it be from the mailing list from years ago or the first > generation of the message boards from AOL is either definitely lost in the > second case or very distant in the first case. > > Shawn and people, do the posts really need to be finished to go to the Vaults? Maybe we could let them evolve there (sort of Wiki-like), and even people that do not belong to any of the groups (MMB, MML etc) could contribute. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:18:30 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? My vote (I speak for me only): Thorf, pls set it up ASAP. We can tweak about it on the go (i.e. skin, URL etc). I myself prefer e-mail discussions, but hey, MMB has been seeing so much more movement than MML, therefore I conclude may prefer web-based forums. Let's do it!!!!!!! -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Thorfinn Tait wrote: > Here's a better example of a default phpBB board: > > http://www.meccg.net/dforum/ > > > And the homepage for phpBB: > > http://www.phpbb.com/ > > I could probably host the board, but I suspect we will not be short of > volunteers on that front. :-) > > In the end the best host would be someone who has been around for a long > time and plans to stick around for the foreseeable future, who is visible > and well known, and who we all trust. Happily we have rather a lot of > people like that in this community, and I for one would be quite happy for > any one of them to host the board. > > The other thing that's important is the URL, though that problem can be > solved easily if Shawn is able to link to the board from the Vaults. If he > is allowed to do that, then the URL is pretty much irrelevant. > > > Thorf > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:21:20 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > > There are definitely sites that put mailing lists on the web (ie. > > gmane.org - you can run your own copy of the gmane code), but for some > > reason I can never understand, the interfaces are all *terrible*. And > > they only work one-way: they archive the mailing list, but you can't > > send messages to the list by posting to the board. > > Oh, I meant to say - another option is a Yahoo group: it's been a > while since I used one, but I believe you can get messages either by > email or on the web at yahoo.com. I don't particularly like the > interface, though. > > Joe > > I say PHPBB replaces MMB (Thorf creates it) and Y!G replaces MML (I create it). Just give the word, my friends, and I do it in a minute (literally). -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:24:20 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Notes for an adaptation of Night Below to Mystara Hi all, here is a set of adaptation notes I posted on the MMB some time ago which I'm reposting since the topic got buried under dozens of unrelated threads in the recent boards upheaval. I've added a few additional considerations, and consolidated the notes with comments from other posters (especially NPC_Dave). Comments and additions are still welcome, of course. GP Night Below Adaptation Notes Night Below is an AD&D 2e adventure by Carl Sargent (of B11/B12 and Shadow Elves GAZ fame). While the module is designed for a generic AD&D world, Sargent included adaptation notes not only for the usual FR and GH, but also for Mystara (Stefan Karameikos, Etienne d'Ambreville, and several Immortals are mentioned). The adventure itself looks quite nice -- it is heavily dungeon-oriented, but not hack & slash. So, it could be a good addition to the Mystaran Shadowdeep. There are some issues to overcome, though: the adventure features a number of typically non-Mystaran monsters. I'm looking to ways to further adapt Night Below to Mystara. > From here on, expect heavy spoilers. Monstrous Races First of all, let's have a look at the monstrous races involved. Aaracockra There is only a small Aaracockra settlement involved in the adventure. I think a Faenare nest would be a good replacement. Goblins, Orcs Goblinoids in Night Below are similar to the Mystaran ones; Sargent does a good job of detailing several tribes in a way that is quite similar to the GAZ10 take on goblinoids; the only exception is in the patron deities, as in this case the Monster Mythology gods are used (unsurprisingly, since Sargent authored that book). Gruumsh and Luthic are mentioned for the Orcs, and Maglubiyet for the Goblins. I'd replace Gruumsh with Orcus (or Kaarash for not-so-evil tribes), Luthic with Hel, and Maglubiyet with Wogar. Svirfneblin Deep gnomes are actually quite similar to OD&D Rock Gnomes. Their power, Calladuran Smoothhands, can be simply replaced with Garal Glitterlode. One may want to slightly modify the Rock Gnome race/class to fit the Svirfneblin special powers if running the module in OD&D. Aboleth The Aboleths are the main villains of the module. Their role is focused on their domination power. A new power (the Blood Queen) is introduced for the Aboleth, which could be reused as a monster ruler or Titan. The Kopru are a possible replacement (using Klarkaszh the Corrupter as the Blood Queen), but an even better solution is to set the Aboleths as Lesser Burrowers. In this case, the plot is driven by Thanatos (which also happens to be the power suggested for the evil cult in the adventure...) Ixitxachitl The adventure features a freshwater variant of these monsters. A similar variant of the Devilfish can be devised. A new power is introduced (Monster Mythology has Demogorgon as the Ixitxachitl god) which can be easily replaced by Sasskas the Destroyer. Rockseer Elves The Rockseer are subterranean elves, but not Drow, and have a background of having been abandoned by their patron gods. They could be former followers of Ferros (a Blackmoor Elven Immortals not corresponding to any modern Immortal), maybe related to the Belcadiz Elves, who were left behind during the Belcadiz underground migration. Also, the Gentle Folk could be related to these as well (this was suggested in the Races of the Shadowdeep thread, BTW). If the adventure is set in the Northern Reach, a connection with the Dark Elves should be taken into account. Derro In Night Below, the Derro are basically madmen -- led by powerful wokani (but still quite crazy). The Dark Hin (or the surviving Shunned Hin) could be used instead of a Dwarf variant in a Darokin-based version. Modrigswerg could also be used (especially in a Soderfjord or Vestland-based version), but they aren't as numerous as the Derro in the module. The best option would be in this case to use the Moulder Dwarves as Derro Savants, and replace the common Derro with Kobolds or other goblinoids serving the Modrigswerg. Kuo-Toa I'd replace these with the Hresha-rhak (Servitor of Ubbeth). The Kuo-Toa deity, Blibdoolpoolp has the "elder goddess" theme (though, admittedly, it is ruined by the somewhat silly name). A more traditional alternative could be Lizardmen. Illithid Brain collectors are the classical Mystaran alternative to Illithids, but they work better as lone extradimensional explorers, and here there is a whole group of Illithids divided in two factions. If the Aboleths are Lesser Burrowers, then the Kopru could cover the role of the Illithids. An alternative is to use the Mind Thralls of Akh'All, but since the Illithids in the adventure are divided in pro-Aboleth and anti-Aboleth factions, I think the Kopru could be better suited. Another alternative could be to replace the Illithids with a group of Nagpa. Tanar'ri: Tanar'ri are your basic Fiends, except that typical AD&D Tanar'ri are suitable challenge for 10th level PCs, while OD&D Fiends are Immortals. However, they can be kept as mortal Fiends (alternately, a Lamara could replace the Marilith, and charmed humans, elves, or Aranea could take the place of the lesser fiends). Their main theme in the adventure is that a group of fiends is sent on a suicidal mission against the Baatezu ambassador, so the only constraints are that (a) they must be evil, but willing to cooperate, (b) they must have the ability to take human form and (c) they must have a big grudge against whatever takes the place of the Baatezu. Baatezu Baatezu make a small appearance in the form of an embassy to the Aboleths. They could be replaced by almost any underground race, most likely an evil one. Deep Glaurants come to mind as the easiest choice (also helps plugging in other Shadowdeep elements), though Unseelie Sidhe or Hivebrood could also work. Lesser Underdark Races Several more monsters appear in limited numbers -- mostly creatures that nest in the vast depths that divide the Svirneblin home from the Derro and Kuo-Toa area (which are very deep, some 100-140 miles below the Svirfneblin). These are "lesser" only in the sense that their presence is not linked to the main plot -- some of these simply happen to be on the PCs' route, or are in the Underdark for some purpose of their own. Trolls, Troglodytes, Hook Horrors, a Deepspawn and a Rakshasa, Fire and Stone Giants, and Dao can remain as they are -- all either appear in Mystara, or are not especially non-Mystaran. There are a few Drow, but their presence is not based on any of the typical Drow characteristics, so Shattenalf or Shadow Elves can be easily used. There is a Shadow Dragon, which could be replaced by a Night Dragon, and a small group of Duergar, which could be replaced with Modrigswerg. The last two races involved are Grells and Quaggoths. Both are not very Mystaran. The latter could be more or less easily replaced with any savage humanoid -- Garls and Darkwings come to mind. The Grell, on the other hand, is an odd Fiend Folio critter, a floating, bird-beaked brain with tentacles. I suppose it can be left as is, perhaps cast as an Outer Being servant or a creature from the Nightmare Dimension (there's a whole nest of Grells in the adventure). Outer World Location The module is set in Haranshire, a fairly large region (70 miles across) including marshes, forests and hills. The area is very lightly populated (there are three small villages, some independent farms, and a small keep), and ruled by a reasonably long line of Counts. A few dwarves and halflings and many bandits are also found in the area. The locals worship Frey and Freyja, as well as Halav and Vanya. The geographical names are English, while the personal names are a mixed lot. The question is, where could Haranshire be in Mystara? My guess would be a Darokin borderland dominion, near the Five Shires border, though other options are certainly possible -- e.g., some part of Western Karameikos (reducing the "shire" to the fief of a landed lord) or Glantri (less likely, and to be remote enough the Count should be downgraded to a Baron) or other bordelands of Darokin (e.g., near the Orclands or the Glantri/Sind border). The region per se is quite large, so it would not fit in the KW. If one wants to keep the overland map mostly unchanged, then it is best to stage the adventure in a larger/less densely developed area, such as Norwold. The combination of Frey & Freyja on one hand and Vanya on the other calls for an Heldannic Territories/Norwold setting, though some of Haranshire's history and naming scheme would have to be modified (since the HK are a recent presence, so a long line of Counts would not be appropriate; also, few Northman or Heldannic-like names are found in the adventure). OTOH, a Darokin-based version could keep history and names mostly unchanged, but would need to adapt the geography (cutting distances a lot). Shadowdeep Location The Underdark of Night Below sprawls for more than a hundred miles below the surface of Haranshire. In contrast, most of the Shadowdeep (Graakhalia, the Lower Broken Lands, the Shadow Elven Territories, and Barimoor's complex) is comparatively much nearer to the surface (ca. 5 miles being the maximum depth, with less than 1 mile on average). On one hand, this means there is little intereference between existing Shadowdeep locations and Night Below areas -- so the adventure can be staged mostly unchanged. On the other hand, the opportunities for expanding the adventure to cover other parts of the Shadowdeep are also limited, with the potential exception of the Deep Glaurant kingdom (which might be deep underground, though still likely in the uppermost level of the Night Below). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:28:39 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: > I say > > PHPBB replaces MMB (Thorf creates it) I agree, and I'll look into setting up a phpbb-to-email gateway in my spare time. > Y!G replaces MML (I create it). Please, please, use Google groups instead. I can't stand the interface of Yahoo groups. Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:29:55 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB dead? 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : > Well, that info is not very important now. :-P > > Just kidding! Well, indeed there is no more a MMB. The posts have been moved into a different forum on WotC's boards (the one you pointed to). > Even if we are to create another forum, Note that one replacement forum has been proposed: http://www.lajzar.co.uk/bb/viewforum.php?f=3 It's not necessarily going to be the definitive replacement for the MMB, but several frequent posters have joined. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:30:33 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Mystara "by night" Dear friends, I'm happy to see GP's post showing that even knee-deep in @#$%, we can go on with our beloved hobby. Following his example, I hereby post something that I care much for. CREDITS: I have been tweaking about this idea with Atila (as usual). Do you guys know about "xxxxxxx by Night" (xxxxxxx = name_do_a_city). In Brazil we have "Sao Paulo by Night", "Rio by Night" etc. You also know "Living Greyhawk". How about put that in a food processor (will it blend???), add Mystara (Almanacs, MMB, MML, Vaults) and do something VERY cool? I'd love to hear from you guys. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:33:05 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) < > vinimagus@gmail.com>: > > Well, that info is not very important now. :-P > > > > Just kidding! > > Well, indeed there is no more a MMB. The posts have been moved into a > different forum on WotC's boards (the one you pointed to). Go point. I never thought it that way. I'll repeat: "indeed there is no more a MMB." > Even if we are to create another forum, > > > Note that one replacement forum has been proposed: > http://www.lajzar.co.uk/bb/viewforum.php?f=3 > > It's not necessarily going to be the definitive replacement for the > MMB, but several frequent posters have joined. > > GP Do you think that it makes not necessary that Thorf (or even you) create a PHPBB board for us? Who controls the one you pointed to? -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:34:43 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? > do the posts really need to be finished to go to the Vaults? Maybe we could > let them evolve there (sort of Wiki-like), and even people that do not > belong to any of the groups (MMB, MML etc) could contribute. This requires a wiki infrastructure, which is something Shawn would rather avoid (not to mention it might not be available in his current hosting arrangement). Also, a wiki is not a discussion list or forum. It's good for cooperative (or even individual) website building (especially for information-dense websites) but not necessarily for other purposes. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:35:22 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP > Solar Team) wrote: > > I say > > > > PHPBB replaces MMB (Thorf creates it) > > I agree, and I'll look into setting up a phpbb-to-email gateway in my > spare time. Nice!!! > > Y!G replaces MML (I create it). > > > Please, please, use Google groups instead. I can't stand the > interface of Yahoo groups. > > Joe > But hey, for web you got the "new MMB" (above). Right, just kidding... GG or Y!G, it's all fine for me. I already admin both types. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:36:25 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : > > I myself prefer e-mail discussions, but hey, MMB has been seeing so much > more movement than MML, therefore I conclude may prefer web-based forums. Andrew brought a significant point in favor of having a web-based forum rather than simply getting a better web interface for the MML -- the possibility of embedding images, which is generally not a good idea in mail-based lists. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:39:12 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > > do the posts really need to be finished to go to the Vaults? Maybe we > could > > let them evolve there (sort of Wiki-like), and even people that do not > > belong to any of the groups (MMB, MML etc) could contribute. > > This requires a wiki infrastructure, which is something Shawn would > rather avoid Why? > (not to mention it might not be available in his current > hosting arrangement). > Also, a wiki is not a discussion list or forum. It's good for > cooperative (or even individual) website building (especially for > information-dense websites) but not necessarily for other purposes. > > GP Sure! I did not mean *a Wiki*. I just meant something that is "good for cooperative (or even individual) website building (especially for information-dense websites)", but not a Wiki. We could have a "ready, finished articles" section. And another "still in MMB/MML-discussion-format", that could be worked on - until eventually gets finished and therefore ready to go to the "ready, finished articles" section. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:45:09 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > > > Y!G replaces MML (I create it). > > Please, please, use Google groups instead. I can't stand the > interface of Yahoo groups. > > Joe > "mystara@googlegroups.com" is TAKEN! Is any of you the owner? -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 03:47:51 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: > I did not mean *a Wiki*. I just meant something that is "good for > cooperative (or even individual) website building (especially for > information-dense websites)", but not a Wiki. > > We could have a "ready, finished articles" section. And another "still in > MMB/MML-discussion-format", that could be worked on - until eventually gets > finished and therefore ready to go to the "ready, finished articles" > section. Interestingly enough, that is precisely how I have the board set up for my project. Essentially, there are two sections: discussion, and write-ups. In theory each thread eventually leads to a write-up, although this is not always the case - and some threads spawn multiple articles for the write-ups section. Revisions and such are handled back in the original thread, with the most up-to-date version kept in the write-ups section for easy reference. It's working pretty well so far. I don't know if this would be useful (or even necessary) for a community-wide board, though. Although in theory it could make Shawn's job easier, in practice it might just end up muddying the waters. Besides, Shawn has being doing a great job for years now already. But for projects involving a small number of people, I think this style is highly recommended. Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:00:23 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB dead? 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : >> Note that one replacement forum has been proposed: >> http://www.lajzar.co.uk/bb/viewforum.php?f=3 >> >> It's not necessarily going to be the definitive replacement for the >> MMB, but several frequent posters have joined. > > > Do you think that it makes not necessary that Thorf (or even you) create a > PHPBB board for us? > > Who controls the one you pointed to? Rhialto, one of the MMB posters. As to the other question, I don't know. Obviously, we don't want to create too many competing forums. I suppose I'll simply wait and see which forum gets the more users, and move there, since that's what Shawn is doing, with one exception -- I'm not going to post anything that could need to be archived on the WotC board unless we get back our one, regardless of what everyone else decides to do. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:02:25 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > >> >> > Y!G replaces MML (I create it). >> >> Please, please, use Google groups instead. I can't stand the >> interface of Yahoo groups. >> >> Joe >> > > "mystara@googlegroups.com" is TAKEN! > > Is any of you the owner? > > > -- > ---------------------- > Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" > Same for mystara@yahoogroups.com ... Should we go for vaultsofpandius@googlegroups.com / vaultsofpandius@yahoogroups.com ? It's 4:00 down under, Shawn will not reply right now... damn, I'm anxious! -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:04:43 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : > >> This requires a wiki infrastructure, which is something Shawn would >> rather avoid > > Why? I don't know exactly. There was some discussion of adding a wiki to the VoP or even turning the VoP into a wiki to ease Shawn's job, but he prefers the standard html website -- I don't remember the reason. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:06:07 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar > Team) wrote: > > Same for mystara@yahoogroups.com ... > > Should we go for vaultsofpandius@googlegroups.com / > vaultsofpandius@yahoogroups.com ? It's 4:00 down under, Shawn will not reply > right now... damn, I'm anxious! Uhm, we need a replacement for the MMB, not for the MML -- well, at least not yet. Let's handle one thing at a time ;) GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:08:24 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) < > vinimagus@gmail.com>: > >> Note that one replacement forum has been proposed: > >> http://www.lajzar.co.uk/bb/viewforum.php?f=3 > >> > >> It's not necessarily going to be the definitive replacement for the > >> MMB, but several frequent posters have joined. > > > > > > Do you think that it makes not necessary that Thorf (or even you) create > a > > PHPBB board for us? > > > > Who controls the one you pointed to? > > Rhialto, one of the MMB posters. As to the other question, I don't > know. Obviously, we don't want to create too many competing forums. Steven asks if it's possible to make it automatic (you posted to the web forum, an e-mail msg is triggered to the e-mail msgs list), right, that's cool. What if we could make it automatic, yes, but additionally like that: you posted to the web forum, a msg is triggered to the other web forum)? > > I suppose I'll simply wait and see which forum gets the more users, > and move there, since that's what Shawn is doing, with one exception > -- I'm not going to post anything that could need to be archived on > the WotC board unless we get back our one, regardless of what everyone > else decides to do. > > GP > Could you please explain in further details? -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:10:39 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? I'm more pro-active, you are more reactive. Right. No problem there, friend. I still don't like the smell of the whole thing. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) < > vinimagus@gmail.com>: > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar > > Team) wrote: > > > > Same for mystara@yahoogroups.com ... > > > > Should we go for vaultsofpandius@googlegroups.com / > > vaultsofpandius@yahoogroups.com ? It's 4:00 down under, Shawn will not > reply > > right now... damn, I'm anxious! > > Uhm, we need a replacement for the MMB, not for the MML -- well, at > least not yet. Let's handle one thing at a time ;) > > GP > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:21:36 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: MMB dead? 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : > > Steven asks if it's possible to make it automatic (you posted to the web > forum, an e-mail msg is triggered to the e-mail msgs list), right, that's > cool. > > What if we could make it automatic, yes, but additionally like that: you > posted to the web forum, a msg is triggered to the other web forum)? That's a gateway. It is possible, but is restricted to the same limitations as the mail system (i.e., no images or attachments). > Could you please explain in further details? Shawn says he would rather stay with the WotC boards and campaign for the resurrection of the MMB there, but will join the majority if most people decide to move off the WotC boards. I don't agree with the first part -- I don't think WotC people care much about Mystara or the Mystaran community, since we're not their primary market target; they also won't break up the current board unless there are consistently more than 25 active threads per day, and there's no way we (or any other setting) can have that many. Basically, I think staying within the WotC board doesn't give us little visibility and would therefore prefer a different board where Mystara can have its own area. Thus, I'm only posting in the "Mystara emergency meeting" thread. Other than that, and an interest in having a long lasting board that gets archived to the Vaults, I've got no specific preferences. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 04:33:17 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Re: MMB dead? Giampaolo Agosta wrote: > Shawn says he would rather stay with the WotC boards and campaign for > the resurrection of the MMB there, but will join the majority if most > people decide to move off the WotC boards. I don't agree with the > first part -- I don't think WotC people care much about Mystara or the > Mystaran community, since we're not their primary market target; they > also won't break up the current board unless there are consistently > more than 25 active threads per day, and there's no way we (or any > other setting) can have that many. Basically, I think staying within > the WotC board doesn't give us little visibility and would therefore > prefer a different board where Mystara can have its own area. Thus, > I'm only posting in the "Mystara emergency meeting" thread. > Other than that, and an interest in having a long lasting board that > gets archived to the Vaults, I've got no specific preferences. I'm with you, Giampaolo. I understand Shawn's positive attitude, but I can't say I share it. For me, this is the last straw. The whole mess has made up my mind that we are wasting our time with Wizards of the Coast. If they want to resurrect Mystara at some point, that's their business; it is patently clear that we have zero effect on their decisions. It's actually a liberating realisation. The only "official" person I would be interested in hearing from about Mystara is Bruce, and he's not in the business any more, and certainly nothing to do with Wizards of the Coast. I'm far more interested in what we have to say, and our collective efforts in the Mystara community. In any case, I am back to being just a lurker these days, so I will leave it to everyone to vote with your feet (or your keyboards) as to how to proceed. Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:29:21 -0500 From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? I plan to redevelop of lot of Mystara stuff for the Borigon game system (www.borigon.com), that at least will be something. George P.S. Wow, has it really been that long since I last posted? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Mason" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] MMB stuff safe? > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Andrew Theisen wrote: >> Another question that I raised on the MMB, but will re-ask here- Does anyone with knowledge of how Forums/Mailing Lists work better than I have know if it's possible to somehow link the two? IE, either allow direct posting between the two, or else some sort of archived Board posts that get sent to a Mailing List? >> >> If so, then maybe we can just create a new board and list that combines the two, and better interlink our Mystara community. > > There are definitely sites that put mailing lists on the web (ie. > gmane.org - you can run your own copy of the gmane code), but for some > reason I can never understand, the interfaces are all *terrible*. And > they only work one-way: they archive the mailing list, but you can't > send messages to the list by posting to the board. > > There might be some better ones in less common use that I'm not aware > of, though. It can't be that hard to hook a mailing list to phpbb. > > Joe > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:37:48 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: >> Rhialto, one of the MMB posters. As to the other question, I don't >> know. Obviously, we don't want to create too many competing forums. > > > Steven asks if it's possible to make it automatic (you posted to the web > forum, an e-mail msg is triggered to the e-mail msgs list), right, that's > cool. > > What if we could make it automatic, yes, but additionally like that: you > posted to the web forum, a msg is triggered to the other web forum)? Then what would be the point of having more than one forum? Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:23:10 -0700 From: Dave Keyser Subject: Re: Notes for an adaptation of Night Below to Mystara Let me post my reply notes as well- I have started Night Below in one of my two Mystara campaigns, although Night Below is only part of that campaign, and thus events will proceed much more slowly than the box set's vague timeline. I spent a lot of time thinking about where I want to place things and where it would be ideally suited. Night Below does mention Mystara NPCs and Immortals in a few places, but doesn't make much effort to integrate things for Mystara, it actually sticks with Greyhawk for a framework, I believe the Night Below surface map even matches up with a particular area of Greyhawk geography. So here is what I am doing so far, feel free to comment or take what you consider to be a good idea. Location- Soderfjord, specifically along the Angesan River. Haranshire becomes gnollheim, but with the gnolls pushed back to the south side of the river closer to the ocean, where the settlements of Milbyrne and Thoremere are located. Note I changed the names of those two towns from the box set. The surface map is adjusted to fit the GAZ7 map of the river. The swamp nearby is further away, the swamp near Whiteheart. The gnolls still range north more to the west, and tend to conflict with Whiteheart more than those two small communities, which have an uneasy truce with the gnolls. There will be sidequests to deal with gnolls teamed up with that ranger whose homestead lies between the two villages. This sets it up in an out of the way place, and the svirfneblin become survivors of the destroyed gnomish settlements in the Hardanger Mountains. They have literally become deep gnomes, albeit with more RC D&D gnome powers. The tunnels head west toward Rockhome, where the Aboleth city lies deep beneath the surface. The derro are mordriswerg, which explain also some of the more powerful items that can be recovered. The goblin and orcs will have patrons replaced by GAZ10 equivalents, but note that Wogar is noted in GAZ10 as also being called Maglubiyet. The last part of Night Below I have run was the goblins of the ring adventure, so the goblin shaman could turn into a wolf. I like your idea of the faenare, but the Aaracockra are so minor I may drop that completely. I haven't decided about the Rockseer yet, possibly shadow elf offshoots or a mix of shadow elves and the Northern Reaches dark elves. Kuo-toa are so big in book 2 I figured I would keep them as is, but now I think I will mix them a bit with the Hresha-Rhak, which I like and did not know of until now. Devilfish are devilfish, I didn't see anything necessary to change here. A lot of other changes you suggest I had planned(shadow dragons = night dragons, the very few drow get replaced by other equivalents, banshee or human wizard, etc). I liked the idea of replacing quaggoths with darkwings, but am not sure about the grells. I dont remember seeing duergar anywhere though, do you have a page number? Did I miss them as a wandering monster? Illithids I am keeping as is, but they are from off-world and have come to assist(except for the group which isn't). In fact, the aboleth city as recommended by zimriel, http://pages.sbcglobal.net/zimriel/N...low/index.html is their capital city and has several embassies, including illithids, deep/great glaraunts, the baatezu, and the evil spirits from the Ethengarian Gazeteer. I keep AD&D tanarii around with WOTI fiends by identifying the WOTI fiends as the exalted type from the WOTI rulebook. They are much fewer in number and tend to serve Immortals directly. One thing about kopru, I am taking a page from the Savage Tide adventure path published in the last 12 issues of Dungeon Magazine, and am making kopru and aboleth rivals and enemies. The undersea where the capital lies will not be walled off, but will have two sides of it extend beyond the cavern ceiling and walls, from those locations will come the kopru. There are already a few teams of monsters/NPCs which the players can ally with in book 3, the kopru are going to be another band of raiders that the PCs CANNOT ally with. The kopru will be raiding the aboleth city as well, and the players may or may not cross their paths, but if they do the kopru will fight them as well, once other enemies in the area are slain. The kopru's goal is to either seize the tower of domination and use it themselves or destroy it if they cannot. thanks for pointing out the duergar group. I will probably make those a more sane Mordriswerg group trying to track down and stop their fellows working with the aboleth, or just be independents who happen to be in the area. One other conversion I made, I changed the swanmay at the lake into a hsiao, who still had a loose alliance with the two rangers in the area. The water elemental in the lake had originally been summoned by the hsiao to maintain the hsiao's personal sanctuary, that being the lake itself. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:20:54 -0400 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? At 03:02 PM 24/05/2008, you wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar > Team) wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > > > >> > >> > Y!G replaces MML (I create it). > >> > >> Please, please, use Google groups instead. I can't stand the > >> interface of Yahoo groups. > >> > >> Joe > >> > > > > "mystara@googlegroups.com" is TAKEN! > > > > Is any of you the owner? > > > > > > -- > > ---------------------- > > Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" > > > > > Same for mystara@yahoogroups.com ... > > Should we go for vaultsofpandius@googlegroups.com / > vaultsofpandius@yahoogroups.com ? It's 4:00 down under, Shawn will not reply > right now... damn, I'm anxious! I've been living in New York for the last couple of years, so we're a similar time zone if I remember correctly Vini. Well personally I know I use yahoogroups for other things. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:21:04 -0400 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? At 02:15 PM 24/05/2008, you wrote: > Shawn and people, > do the posts really need to be finished to go to the Vaults? Maybe we could > let them evolve there (sort of Wiki-like), and even people that do not > belong to any of the groups (MMB, MML etc) could contribute. well files that are in the Vaults, some of which could use work aren't worked on - so files at the moment at least aren't evolving Wiki-like on the Vaults. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:21:13 -0400 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? At 03:04 PM 24/05/2008, you wrote: > 2008/5/24 Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) : > > > >> This requires a wiki infrastructure, which is something Shawn would > >> rather avoid > > > > Why? > > I don't know exactly. There was some discussion of adding a wiki to > the VoP or even turning the VoP into a wiki to ease Shawn's job, but > he prefers the standard html website -- I don't remember the reason. well again it's a technical thing which I don't know if I can do where I am, and don't really know personally where to start anyway. This answer seems to be coming up a lot recently - maybe it's time for something post-Vaults to take some of this slack? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:33:11 -0300 From: "Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team)" Subject: Re: MMB dead? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP > Solar Team) wrote: > >> Rhialto, one of the MMB posters. As to the other question, I don't > >> know. Obviously, we don't want to create too many competing forums. > > > > > > Steven asks if it's possible to make it automatic (you posted to the web > > forum, an e-mail msg is triggered to the e-mail msgs list), right, that's > > cool. > > > > What if we could make it automatic, yes, but additionally like that: you > > posted to the web forum, a msg is triggered to the other web forum)? > > Then what would be the point of having more than one forum? > > Joe > The point is that the owner of forum #1 does not want to give, just like the owner of the forum #2. Well, it seems that there is a forum (#1) already (the one pointed by GP); so the question changes to "Why start another forum?". Maybe because we don't want to have - again - a forum out of our hands. -- ---------------------- Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 00:12:47 -0400 From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: MMB stuff safe? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM, shawn stanley wrote: > > > I've been living in New York for the last couple of years, so we're a > similar time zone if I remember correctly Vini. > > New York City or state? If you're in the city and want to kick around some technical ideas regarding the site, let me know. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 00:16:12 -0400 From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: MMB dead? This is a thought that a friend of mine in the gaming industry and I have been kicking around. We're looking into the data portability project as a way to help unify some messageboards. As for the reason ... it's because the boards are already there and most users post to several boards. It seems inefficient that they wouldn't share data across each other. It's not easy stuff, but PHPBB (what Rhialto uses) is so common that there should be enough documentation to make something like this work, provided there was some access to the site. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP Solar Team) wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Joe Mason wrote: > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Vinicius Rodrigues de Moraes (USP > > Solar Team) wrote: > > >> Rhialto, one of the MMB posters. As to the other question, I don't > > >> know. Obviously, we don't want to create too many competing forums. > > > > > > > > > Steven asks if it's possible to make it automatic (you posted to the > web > > > forum, an e-mail msg is triggered to the e-mail msgs list), right, > that's > > > cool. > > > > > > What if we could make it automatic, yes, but additionally like that: > you > > > posted to the web forum, a msg is triggered to the other web forum)? > > > > Then what would be the point of having more than one forum? > > > > Joe > > > > The point is that the owner of forum #1 does not want to give, just like > the > owner of the forum #2. > > Well, it seems that there is a forum (#1) already (the one pointed by GP); > so the question changes to "Why start another forum?". Maybe because we > don't want to have - again - a forum out of our hands. > > -- > ---------------------- > Vini, 10th-level wild mage, Bach enthusiast, solar "raycer" > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:26:08 -0700 From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Is the MML blocking new subscriptions? FWIW I have subscribed recently with two separate email addresses. I can post messages to the list successfully, but I do not receive list emails at either address. I've tried changing my list settings but to no avail. It was worth a try, but I'll have to wait until a new forum is up. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 May 2008 to 24 May 2008 (#2008-24) ***************************************************************