Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 Feb 2008 to 25 Feb 2008 (#2008-32) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 26/02/2008, 19:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 2 messages totalling 158 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Preserving the Material 2. Mystaran Numismatics - Karameikos ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:24:08 -0800 From: Dave Keyser Subject: Re: Preserving the Material I don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but just about all Mystara/D&D materials are scanned as pdfs and are available for purchase at several online stores. www.paizo.com is one such Dave On 2/23/08, Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > > Hi. > > I used to role play a lot and was a big Mystara up > until I became an addict of World of Warcraft. I am > probably not going to dive into it anytime soon, but I > still have a lot of the books. > > I was curious about the copyrights and stuff. Does > anyone really care? I was thinking of scanning the > material into hi-res PDFs (better than the cheesy > e-books that were sold before) for a preservation > project I will do as some point. I don't know if I > could every make it available for others, or would > that be illegal. I know copyright has a lifespan, but > companies can continually renew it, such as Disney has > done with Micky Mouse for example. How can one > determine the status? > > Is there precedent set on this matter? > > - Joaquin > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:53:39 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1tila_Pires_dos_Santos?= Subject: Re: Mystaran Numismatics - Karameikos Hey Greg. Sorry for not answering before, I got too involved at that lupin adaptation for 3.5 that I posted at MMB, I really sorry! Do you think it's better to have Cronas in Karameikos only after having Minrothad as a nation? Pehaps they had a different currency before of that? And what about the city-states? Do you think it's better that the SC city-states got their Koruns only after AC 488 as well? And what about if modern Slagovich uses both currencies, the tradicional traladaran one and the VotPA one (pehaps the LBs are so common and influent at there that their particular currency co-exist with the native system?)? =) On 2/22/08, Greg Weatherup wrote: > > hmm, that's odd. Seems my reply to dos Santos never went through to the > list.... Let me try again (a shorter message though this time) > > Atila- I had replied saying that I really like the connection you made > with the Crown backstory, as well as your discription of early city-state > currency. Since your message I have tried to rework the paragraph covering > the Crown in Karameikos, how does this sound: > > The "Crowns" (v2): The "Crown", in one form or another, has been a > denomination in Traladara for centuries. As the traladaran city states were > beginning to emerge from their dark ages, the neighboring peoples of the > islands of Minrothad were already widespread accomplished traders and some > of the first economic contacts with outsiders were with the traders of > Minrothad, who quickly came to dominate the coastal economy. When the > Moneychangers guild was created in AC 493 they copied the Minrothadian Crona > (Which itself comes from the Thyatian word for "Crown") adopting it as the > "Krona" in their language. It has long been produced at high quality/high > standards, on the authority of the monechangers guild in > Specularuam. Originally it was a very small, fine hexagonal shaped gold > coin. The symbolism of the "Crown" and the authority it represents was > adopted from the 'thadder coin by the oligarchs of the City state since the > authority would figuratively be "in the hands of the oligarchs" since only > the wealthy oligarchs could afford to use a gold coin. Throughout Traladara > this "Krona" was adopted as a standard coin/shape/denomination, becoming > corrupted to "Koruna" in the greater Halag area and "Koruna" (plural = > Kroner) in the Darokinian/Selenican influenced North-East, but the symbolism > was lost and a depiction representing King Halav soon became the norm, even > back within Marlinev. This was also taken to the city-states, other than > Slagovich (See Slagovich), where it became the modern Cronas and Korun's of > the City States (See City States). When the Thyatians came into Traladara > they not only imported their currency system to operate alongside the > Traladaran one, they also established the goldsmiths guild with the 902 AC > decree. After 902 the moneychangers guild still had a monopoly on the > minting of "crowns" (Krona/Koruna/Krone{r}) but they were not permitted to > mint gold coins, so they adopted the current coin, in silver, round, and > larger than the old gold krona/koruna/krone(r), it took some time but > eventually this coin came to be produced to that of the tendrius standard, > thus Karameikos is de-facto on the Tendrius Standard. The Thyatians were > happy to see their new currency order (both the imperial thyatian > denominations and the Guilden/Guilders) supplanted above the old traladaran > ways. To reflect that it was not exactly equal in value to the old gold > coins, and to reflect the changing of pronunciations over the centuries, the > moneychangers guild christened this new coin the "Crona" (ironically equal > to the original Minrothad version of the name). Many of the older hexagonal > shaped gold coins depicting king Halav are still in circulation outside of > the capital (usually at 5sp in value though even rarer coins of multiple > Kroner/Koruna are occasionally encountered) but the older ones in > Marlinev/Specularuam have largely been melted and re-used over the span of > the last century by the goldsmiths guild. The silver Crona usually features > buildings and landmarks on them. > > Greg "Gecko" Weatherup > GWxup@excite.com > Gecko_G@email.com > http://members.fortunecity.com/gecko_g/ > > -- > Want an e-mail address like mine? > Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 23 Feb 2008 to 25 Feb 2008 (#2008-32) ***************************************************************