Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 Jun 2009 to 13 Jun 2009 (#2009-20) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 14/06/2009, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 7 messages totalling 426 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Piazza Update (3) 2. Mystaran Numismatics: Alfheim 3. Latest Piazza Update (3) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:43:40 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Piazza Update In other news... Ashtagon's a she??? :-p Anyway, hope the Piazza gets back up soon, but I suppose this gives me time= to get working on my other Mystara projects rather than just talking about= stuff. :) --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Thorfinn Tait wrote: From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: [MYSTARA] Piazza Update To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 8:41 PM As I'm sure most of you already know, the Piazza is still down at the momen= t.=A0 Ashtagon is having some problems getting the old database installed o= n the new server, and it appears that it will take a little more time to fi= x.=A0 This is causing problems for her since she just started a new job. In the meantime it's nice to remember we do still have this mailing list!= =A0 :-D Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:50:55 -0400 From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Piazza Update Always have a backup plan. And a backup plan for the backup plan. And a Word of Recall spell or something else for an expeditious retreat if the above fail. Then again, the opponents might be casing your home so WoR is not an optimal fallback position. hmmm Need to rethink my tactics now. 2009/6/13 Andrew Theisen : > In other news... > > Ashtagon's a she??? :-p > > Anyway, hope the Piazza gets back up soon, but I suppose this gives me ti= me to get working on my other Mystara projects rather than just talking abo= ut stuff. :) > > --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Thorfinn Tait wrote: > > From: Thorfinn Tait > Subject: [MYSTARA] Piazza Update > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 8:41 PM > > As I'm sure most of you already know, the Piazza is still down at the mom= ent.=A0 Ashtagon is having some problems getting the old database installed= on the new server, and it appears that it will take a little more time to = fix.=A0 This is causing problems for her since she just started a new job. > > In the meantime it's nice to remember we do still have this mailing list!= =A0 :-D > > Thorf > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:59:47 -0500 From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Re: Mystaran Numismatics: Alfheim On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:42:34 -0400 Angelo Bertolli wrote: > I think it can go under unofficial:numismatics. It might seem=3D20 > campaign-specific, but it's really a generalization that I think can be=3D= 20 > easily used in other campaigns. ok, shouldn't take long... > Do you make a differentiation in coin weight? I know traditionally it's al= ways been 10 coins =3D 1 lb or something like that, but I >don't think that= is very realistic in many cases. On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:07:31 -0700 Chris Cherrington worte: >> Do you make a differentiation in coin weight? I know traditionally it's= =20 >> always been 10 coins =3D 1 lb or something like that but I don't think >> that is very realistic in many cases. > I believe from his earlier posts that he referenced some of my work on cha= n=3D > ging the weights to pennyweights. As it does not make a whole lot of sense= =3D > to cart a wheelbarrow around with 60 pounds of gold to buy a suit of armor= =3D > (600gp=3D3D60pounds at 10cn=3D3D1pound). I wish I still had my original po= sts=3D > on my silver system with pennyweights. In all my moves I have lost all my= =3D > posts :( > I know by going into a pennyweight system=3D2C its also more realistic for= a =3D > pick pocket to get some real loot. Picking a pocket for 10 copper is lifti= =3D > ng a pound of copper off of someone=3D2C I would notice that :P yup, thought I don't normally reference the actual weight in Pwts I do list= the # of coins per pound in the chart near the end of the article. I remember we had some discussions about this here on the MML a couple (few= ?) years back. In fact I dug up a spreadsheet I had made back then, let me plug some of th= ese alfheim coins into it. assuming 2mm diameter for all these coins, and ignoring all issues of finen= ess or purity and using 5760 grains per troy pound, and assuming I set that= spreadsheet up right, I get- Silver Seed 60 per pound (or 4pw each) so each is 96 grains or 6.2 grams a= nd about 19.4mm in diameter Silver Ten'er 40 per pound (or 6pw each) so each is 144 grains or 9.3 grams= and about 23.8mm in diameter Silver Petal 30 per pound (or 8pw each) so each is 192 grains or 12.4 grams= and about 27.4mm in diameter Gold Leaf 60 per pound (or 4pw each) so each is 96 grains or 6.2 grams and = about 14.3mm in diameter Gold Piaster 30 per pound (or 8pw each) so each is 192 grains or 12.4 grams= and about 20.3mm in diameter So (ignoring the "er") they range from the 6.2 gram 14.3mm diameter Gold Le= af to the 12.4 gram 27.4mm Silver Petal Angelo If you tell me what country you are in I can probably give you some = comparisons to your local coinage- For modern US coinage it ranges as follo= ws: The dime is 2.2 to 2.5 grams and 17.9mm The Penny is 3.1 grams and 19mm (ignoring the 1943 steel pennies) The Nickel is 5 grams (exactly) and 21.2mm The Quarter is just shy of 5.6 to 6.3 grams and is 24.3mm The new smaller dollars (Susan B. Anthony "Silver", the Sacagawea "Golden",= and I think the presidential dollars as well) are 8 to 8.1 grams and are 2= 6.4 to 26.5mm The Half-Dollar is 11.3 to 12.5 grams and 30.6mm The old "Silver" (Eisenhower) dollars were about 22.6 grams and 38.1mm (the weights for some of them depend on what year the coin is from because = that determins if it was Silver or Copper-Nickel Clad Copper - or in the ca= se of the small dollars if you have the CNCC Susan B. Anthony or the that u= nique Copper-Nickel-Manganese-zinc alloy of the Sacagawea's) So the Leaf would be about the weight of the old silver quarter but smaller= than the dime and the Petal would be about the weight of the old silver ha= lf dollars and a little bigger than the new dollars. Again, that's if the = metal was completely pure and the minting was completely fine (no alloy) of= which neither are possible nor desirable even in modern coinage. Historically coins were heavier and larger than what we are used to nowaday= s, though the 10 per pound standard of OD&D/BD&D was rediculous (though som= e unusual and unwieldy coins could be at that level, most would not be or e= lse everyone would effectively be lifting weights all the time - not to men= tion pockets ripping out left and right). 3e (and IIRC all of AD&D) uses 5= 0 per pound as the default standard. I've been collecting modern circulation world coins for years and Looking a= t just the few (15 out of nearly 800) silver coins I have they range from 2= 5 grams (50% silver 1926 peruvian Un sol) down to 0.925 grams (sterling {92= .5% fine} 1943 Australian threepence) but my silver coins are all fairly mo= dern (1926 to 1967) as is my entire collection (my oldest coin is 1862 {Fre= nch Empire 2 Centimes}* and only a fraction are pre 1930s) so its not reall= a good comparison. *=3D technically I have one coin from year 5 - but that's in regnal numberi= ng: Heisei 5 which is just 1993 in Japan. Likewise I've got a coin from th= e year 5739, but that's marked in the Jewish calendar so its really only 19= 79. Chris- I believe I still have your original message in a .txt file, I'll se= nd it to you. Greg W. --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:19:23 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Latest Piazza Update Another update for you. Ashtagon has a new plan which will hopefully sort things out. Basically the problem so far has been that the database is so big that it causes problems moving it from server to server. phpBB has a built-in function to help with this (allowing you to backup the database in much smaller parts), but the domain change is already through and no one can access the old site to dump the database that way. To solve this dilemma, Ashtagon is pointing one of her other domain names at the old site, which should allow access once more. When the changes come through, she'll have instant access and can try to implement the new plan. The upshot is that if it works we should have the Piazza back up and running within the next day or two. Keep your fingers crossed! Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:25:40 -0400 From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Latest Piazza Update Thorfinn Tait wrote: > Another update for you. > > Ashtagon has a new plan which will hopefully sort things out. Basically the problem so far has been that the database is so big that it causes problems moving it from server to server. phpBB has a built-in function to help with this (allowing you to backup the database in much smaller parts), but the domain change is already through and no one can access the old site to dump the database that way. > > To solve this dilemma, Ashtagon is pointing one of her other domain names at the old site, which should allow access once more. When the changes come through, she'll have instant access and can try to implement the new plan. > > The upshot is that if it works we should have the Piazza back up and running within the next day or two. Keep your fingers crossed! mysqldump is really easy to use, so that would probably be the best way to go. I think you're running into a problem with phpBB loading the database due to size, it's really a php limitation on data transfer or upload limit, not a mysql thing. The Piazza wasn't THAT big. Angelo ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:04:55 +0900 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Re: Latest Piazza Update Angelo Bertolli wrote: > mysqldump is really easy to use, so that would probably be the best way to go. I think you're running into a problem with phpBB loading the database due to size, it's really a php limitation on data transfer or upload limit, not a mysql thing. The Piazza wasn't THAT big. Personally I have used both phpBB's internal system as well as phpMyAdmin to transfer my own databases without any problems. But in this case I'm just the messenger - other than advice, I am not involved in the transfer. From what I understand, I think that the problem is something to do with restrictions put in place by the (previous?) provider. Using phpBB is just a workaround for this. Hopefully it will solve the problem. Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:24:49 -0700 From: Stone Marshall Subject: Re: Piazza Update In the meantime it's nice to remember we do still have this mailing list!= =A0 :-D Thorf Does that mean you are going to post your new maps here? LOL Stone --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Andrew Theisen wrote: From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Piazza Update To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:43 AM In other news... Ashtagon's a she??? :-p Anyway, hope the Piazza gets back up soon, but I suppose this gives me time= to get working on my other Mystara projects rather than just talking about= stuff. :) --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Thorfinn Tait wrote: From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: [MYSTARA] Piazza Update To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 8:41 PM As I'm sure most of you already know, the Piazza is still down at the momen= t.=A0 Ashtagon is having some problems getting the old database installed o= n the new server, and it appears that it will take a little more time to fi= x.=A0 This is causing problems for her since she just started a new job. In the meantime it's nice to remember we do still have this mailing list!= =A0 :-D Thorf ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. =0A=0A=0A ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 12 Jun 2009 to 13 Jun 2009 (#2009-20) ***************************************************************