Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Jul 2009 to 31 Jul 2009 (#2009-36) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 01/08/2009, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 8 messages totalling 321 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. R: [MYSTARA] What is a Dervish in Mystara? (DoD vs. GAZ2 vs. etc.) 2. I'm happy to say I'm back.. (7) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:39:07 -0700 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: Re: R: [MYSTARA] What is a Dervish in Mystara? (DoD vs. GAZ2 vs. etc.) To Iulius Sergius Scaevola: That is exactly what I wish to do. Thank you. This now becomes Mystaran Ylari specific, but keeps consistent with the module. They will generally be opposed to each other, but not necesarily evil. Players siding with one faction, Mad Dervishes, or Ylari (Order of the Rose?), will run afoul of the other faction. The players will run into fanatical, but "lawful" faction, that worships elder gods, and protects tombs. And they will run into patrols of Ylari warriors. As a twisted DM, I might have some players befriend one faction, and then other players befriend the opposing faction, and each faction tries to get players to subscribe up to their cause, and players have to fight it out amongst themselves in creative ways to wrestle interest, and would add a lot of role-playing, if one of them truly sides with one way. For the other faction, I was wondering what sort of patrol. I was thinking Order of the Rose, but they cannot be too high of level. Yet, they will be able to have Pegasi as mounts. This will not be a significant force in the scope of the world, but provide for an advanced patrol. I was wondering if Order of the Rose would be appropriate, or add another Order? ============================================================================ > From prior mail: I think that Giampaolo's idea is very good, having a "lawful" faction of Nithians worshippers of elder gods, obviously looked upon with disdain by the Al-Kalim worshipping Ylari. Remember that, with the exception of the Kin faction, the Ylari are generally tolerant of other faiths, so I would use a slight variation: I'd put the Ylari as strongly opposed to the "old gods" worshipped by Nithians, Followers of Flame and Mad Dervishes, not to other gods/Immortals of people from other cultures. The Ylari could see the "old gods" inherently evil, no matter what, and putting in the same "axis of evil" factions that are actually not sharing the same ethos at all. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Saxa Rubra (Redstone), Empire of Thyatis "Yes I'm not at Lucinius anymore..." So beyond the dervish, there's these two factions... I'm trying to think how to fit them in. One thing I was thinking, is that whatever happened in the past (Thanatos, corruption, revenge of Immortals) created the desert, so naturally there would be a disdain for worshipping the old gods, regardless of good or bad immortals. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:08:32 -0700 From: "Kelly, Joe" Subject: I'm happy to say I'm back.. I'm playing D&D again, finally after three years. So I have a question for = the list. Paizo publishing has 2 Pathfinder Adventures. So which is better for which = realm. Known World Realms: Ylaurum and Hule Pathfinder Series: The Legacy of Fire Series and GameMastery Module J1: Entombed with the Pharaohs and Pathfinder Module J4: The Pact Stone Pyramid So which (Hule or Yluarum) is more Arabic and which is more Egyptian? Joe Kelly This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:22:33 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: I'm happy to say I'm back.. 2009/7/31 Kelly, Joe : > I'm playing D&D again, finally after three years. So I have a question for the list. ... > So which (Hule or Yluarum) is more Arabic and which is more Egyptian? Hule is based on Turkey/Ottoman Empire, from both the point of view of language and of ethnic makeup. It doesn't have much in the way of Arabic or Egyptian feel. Ylaruam is definitely M-Arabic, with plenty of variation among the different Emirates (Ylaruam itself mirrors Baghdad under Harun al Rashid, Abbashan mirrors typical desert dwelling peoples, Makistan covers the Islamized turkic nations of central Asia, Nicostenia mirrors the mediterranean areas of the Arab empire, like Spain and North Africa, and Nithia mirrors Egypt). M-Egypt is definitely Nithia, but it is only Egyptian before 1500 AC (when Ylaruam doesn't exist yet), or in the Hollow World. What do you need exactly, though? (I'm not familiar with the setting of the Pathfinder modules) GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:47:38 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: I'm happy to say I'm back.. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Giampaolo Agosta wrote: >> So which (Hule or Yluarum) is more Arabic and which is more Egyptian? > > Hule is based on Turkey/Ottoman Empire, from both the point of view of > language and of ethnic makeup. It doesn't have much in the way of > Arabic or Egyptian feel. I think he meant The Sind Desert, which is more Arabic with Indian (Sindh itself and associated countries) to the south. > Ylaruam is definitely M-Arabic, with plenty of variation among the > different Emirates (Ylaruam itself mirrors Baghdad under Harun al > Rashid, Abbashan mirrors typical desert dwelling peoples, Makistan > covers the Islamized turkic nations of central Asia, Nicostenia > mirrors the mediterranean areas of the Arab empire, like Spain and > North Africa, and Nithia mirrors Egypt). > > M-Egypt is definitely Nithia, but it is only Egyptian before 1500 AC > (when Ylaruam doesn't exist yet), or in the Hollow World. Don't forget Thothia, the Nithian colony on the Isle of Dawn which has retained some Egyptian flavour. Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:56:11 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: I'm happy to say I'm back.. 2009/7/31 Joe Mason : > > I think he meant The Sind Desert, which is more Arabic with Indian > (Sindh itself and associated countries) to the south. Ah, yes. While Sind is definitely Indian, the nomads of the desert are somewhat Arabic (at least as they are portrayed in X4). > Don't forget Thothia, the Nithian colony on the Isle of Dawn which has > retained some Egyptian flavour. Sure, Thothia would be the best match for an M-Egyptian culture in 1000 AC (BTW, in my previous mail the date for the fall of Nithia was of course wrong...). GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:14:11 -0700 From: "Kelly, Joe" Subject: Re: I'm happy to say I'm back.. What I need is the background of the cultures. If my group heads west I nee= d a Hule feel to the adventures, if they head east to Yluarum then I need a= Ylaurum feel. So I guess I'll go with the Adventure Path books (6 in total= ) if they are going to go to Yluarum. I'm currently using the Curse of the Crimson Throne with the Freeport Serie= s. In the Crimson throne the Queen kills the King and declares martial law.= I am combining it with the Succession Crisis in Freeport. So after Sea Lor= d Drac dies, the council try to figure out who should rule, then the Sea Lo= rd's wife, takes command of the palace and puts all the council under house= arrest. Until, she gets killed, and then it's back to the Succession Crisi= s again, but this time the council take over the palace first before having= their meeting. Joe Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Mystara RPG Discussion [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behal= f Of Giampaolo Agosta Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:23 AM What do you need exactly, though? (I'm not familiar with the setting of the Pathfinder modules) GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. This e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and do not copy, use or disclose it. Please advise us if you do not want to receive unencrypted e-mails. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:22:04 +0200 From: Giampaolo Agosta Subject: Re: I'm happy to say I'm back.. 2009/7/31 Kelly, Joe : > What I need is the background of the cultures. If my group heads west I n= eed a Hule feel to the adventures, if they head east to Yluarum then I need= a Ylaurum feel. So I guess I'll go with the Adventure Path books (6 in tot= al) if they are going to go to Yluarum. Sorry, I meant what kind of culture do you need -- is the Adventure Path set in an Arabian setting? BTW, the other modules you mention seem to be of the kind of Desert of Desolation or The Lost City -- i.e., pyramid-dungeons in a desertic area, where the Egyptian culture is the past rather than the current civilization. If so, then Ylaruam fits perfectly (actually, you can fit almost anything from the RW middle-east and northern Africa in Ylaruam). While Hule doesn't seem to fit well, you might consider Joe Mason's suggestion above: use Sind instead if your PCs go west from the KW. Sind is basically India, so it's quite exotic, politically fractured and unstable, and full of desertic areas. While it's probably the most suitable area for pseudo-Egyptian tomb raiding, it might still suit the Pathfinder adventures. GP ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:27:40 -0400 From: Joe Mason Subject: Re: I'm happy to say I'm back.. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Kelly, Joe wrote: > What I need is the background of the cultures. If my group heads west I n= eed a Hule feel to the adventures, if they head east to Yluarum then I need= a Ylaurum feel. So I guess I'll go with the Adventure Path books (6 in tot= al) if they are going to go to Yluarum. The Sind Desert is gigantic and located between the Known World and Hule, so the players would have to cross it if they go west anyway (unless they go by ship). Joe ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 30 Jul 2009 to 31 Jul 2009 (#2009-36) ***************************************************************