Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 17 May 2011 to 22 May 2011 (#2011-44) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 23/05/2011, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 3 messages totalling 94 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Too Many Classes, Too Much Fun or Too Complex (2) 2. Diablo Religions Has Interesting Ideas for Karameikos ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 15:48:52 -0700 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: Re: Too Many Classes, Too Much Fun or Too Complex This is rather intriguing suggestion. It was interesting to note that in DnD 2e, they has something similar: - Warrior - Wizard - Priest - Rogue Each of these shared similar statistics for THAC0, Saves, and Hit Dice. In each of these areas were 8 classes/specialties: Warrior (Fighter, Ranger, Paladin), Rogue (Bard, Thief), Wizard (Mage or specialist), Priest (Cleric, Druid, or priest of specific mythos). This was very clean and allowed for consistent creations within each meta-class area. Then in 3rd Edition, this is thrown out and there are 11 classes: Barbarian, Fighter, Paladin, Ranger, Wizard, Sorcerer, Cleric, Druid, Rogue, Bard, Monk. The design was that these were the untouchable, back-bone to any DnD game, and any customization was through a prestige classes. Most of the talk at that time was that DnD3e offered so many new clean-up of messy rules, and 2nd edition merits were ignored and looked down upon (with so many unbalancing rule additions for kits and prestige classes, etc. beyond the core system). But in the end, I don't think people like the class vs. prestige class system, and with Paizo, there's new additional classes. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:04:42 -0700 From: Joaquin Menchaca Subject: Diablo Religions Has Interesting Ideas for Karameikos I was reading this book, and this gave me some intriguing ideas. The campaign setting is where you have waring "mage clans" that cause a lot of instability due to political power plays. There are two major religious orders that struggle over the hearts and minds of people. They act in a semi-authoritative manner with military knights (inquisitors & peace warders). Cathedral of Light, which have the Inquisitors and seek to root out taint of evil. They come of as righteous and arrogant. The other group is the Triune, a order representing 3 faiths: Bala (Creation), Dialon (Determination), Mefis (Love). Each has their own following, and represented equally in their church, but have a shared policing force: Peace Warders. They are kind and compassionate, and seek to protect, while the Church passes judgment. I was thinking that this could be Church of Karameikos and Church of Traladara, but grown up to be world expansive religions. Now, interestingly, the real power behind the Triune are demons (son of Mephisto, Lucion) and is called the Primus in the church. The leader of the Church of Light is called the Prophet, and he is an actual angel that was a general in Heaven, and left to create a Sanctuary of Peace where both demons and angels who didn't want to war could reside. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 19:15:57 -0500 From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Too Many Classes, Too Much Fun or Too Complex On May 22, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > > But in the end, I don't think people like the class vs. prestige class system, and with Paizo, there's new additional classes. WotC made more classes too. Scout, Hexblade, Spirit Shaman, Healer, Favored Soul, Marshal, Warmage, Spellthief, Factotum, Dread Necromancer, Swashbuckler, Beguiler, Dragon Shaman, Shadowcaster, Duskblade, Truenamer, Binder, Warlock, and more I'm forgetting. Plus the Psionic classes. Plus the Oriental Adventures classes. Plus the Book of Nine Swords classes. Plus Incarnum classes. Lots. Eric ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 17 May 2011 to 22 May 2011 (#2011-44) ***************************************************************