mystara-digest             Friday, 30 August 1996       Volume 01 : Number 200


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:33:45, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] AD&D to D&D Level Convers

<<<<i think thats a good idea
who do you think would have the highest level?
Etienne, Eriadna, Jaggar, Terari etc...????>>>>

I think Terari and Etienne should definetly be the two highest level 

NPCs.  Probably 29th and 30th level respectively.  Jaggar and Eriadna 

should probably be around 23-26th level.  


- -Tim
- -mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Shelby Michlin <shelby7@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 22:34:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] drow vs. dark elves

- -- [ From: Shelby Michlin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

- -------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
> From: Anias Pasi               \ Internet:    (a122286@proffa.cc.tut.fi)
> To:   Post to Mystara-L        \ Internet:    (mystara-l@io.com)
> Martin Hamilton wrote;
> > Does anyone remember reading about the Dark elves of Mystara.... because

> > I found it once in one of the Gaz (northen reaches I think) that said
any 
> > elf can become a dark elf..... they become a dark elf by studying the 
> > art's of Necromancy... at which time they are thrown out of thier clan 
> > and banished.... hunted down... feared that sort of thing...
> Yes, well. I believe this is derived from the Dragonlance line. In
Dragonlance
> there is no race called the dark elves nor anything similar. In stead the
> definition of dark elf really is as you said, an elf mage, who has studied
the
> forbitten areas of magic (the most famous must have been Dalamar). When an
elf
> is caught studying the black arts, he is usually thrown out of the clan,
or
> sometimes even killed. He becomes a clanles, scorned and feared dark elf
- -------- REPLY, End of original message --------

I'd like to point out that "back in the day," *every* monster that was
published was a "generic-world" monster; drow shouldn't really be considered
a "Greyhawk," or a "Forgotten Realms," monster...IMO, at the least. It seems
a bit silly to me to "label" a monster's origin. If nothing else,
Spelljammer, Manual of the Planes (Planescape too) really brought down those
walls. :-)

Secondly, the quote above is not derived from Dragonlance, it's not really
an uncommon idea at all. In any case, dark elves of that definition appeared
in Raymond Fiest/Midkemia Press publications that easily pre-dated
Dragonlance...

Shelby

------------------------------

From: Dave Brohman <dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 0:54:06 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Globe of Mystara?

Daniel Boese writes:

>  I just had a rather interesting conversation with a person who swears
> that TSR sold a few hundred (or maybe thousand) globes of the planet of
> Mystara.. they included physical features and political boundries. It was
> able to split open on the equator, revealing the Hollow World (which was
> also visible through the polar openings). He doesn't recall if it was pre-
> or post-Wrath.

>  Has anybody else heard of these globes, and more importantly, know how I
> can order one? :)

I know nothing qbout it, but I would LOVE to have one.  Please someone,
anyone, give us some info on this topic!

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Dave Brohman                      E-Mail : dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca
  Carleton University               

  Featuring Alexi Sayle as the Balowski Family.
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Anias Pasi <a122286@proffa.cc.tut.fi>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:21:21 +0200 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] drow vs. dark elves

David Leland wrote;

> >Conclusion: IMHO the name darkelf, as a definition of a
> >elven necromancer or other artist of black magic is used
> >in the Norhern realms (if that was it) but not globally,
> >as an norm, as in the Dragonlance.

>         I think it would be cool to allow that term to cause confusion in a
> PC party in the Northern Reaches, making them think Shadow Elves and perhaps
> messing up their tactics.  *evil grin*

My thoughts exactly.

- -- 
X  Pasi Anias           X  p.931-2533536   X       \\|//       X
X  Sammonkatu 28 A 18   X  a122286@proffa  X       (o o)       X
X  33540 Tampere        X   .cc.tut.fi     X  o000--(_)--000o  X

------------------------------

From: Anias Pasi <a122286@proffa.cc.tut.fi>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:58:24 +0200 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Prince G-W and Thar

Fabrizzio Paoli wrote;

> >>The maximum number of pawns HD that a liege can control is twice his HD,
> >>The maximum range of control is 24 miles per HD of a liege, i.e. 672
> >>miles
> As you can see I wrote Hit Dice, not level...
> Though G-W is level 28 (IIRC) in AC 1000, he has "only" 9 HD, thus he can
> control only 18 HD of undead in a range of 216 miles, i.e. 27 map hex
> Now controlling Thar is a problem, unless we use Morphail's level instead of HD.
> IMO being Morphail not an ordinary monster, but a special NPC it would be
> better to use his level, though this may seriously unbalance a campaign.
> What do you think ?

Actually I looked this up from the 'little black book'.
Mine is a Finnish translation though so i wont quote...

1. When a spell-casting undead is controlling other undead he uses his
spellcasting level instead of HD Morphail is 28th level)

2. The controlled undead can have max. half the hitdices of the
controller (morphail can control undeads of max. 14th level (and
to the max. sum of 56 hd))

3. And this is the most important
   Leveldraining undeads (vampires, Spektres, Wraithts etc) gain an
automatic control over their victims (those who they cause to be undeads).
It would seem thas this is intended to be entirely separate from other
controlling, ie there is no real limit to this.


Conclusions;

As a 28 level magicuser, Morphail is able to control all of his
'sub-Baronies' plus thar too (if you want to make hin vampire). 
Especially so, if he would have drained them himself, though ofcourse,
as a nosferatu he can not drain :]


The decision of wether the selfdrained undeads count agaist the
limits is an important one, as it decides wether or not the
unlimited 'undead nets' can exist or not. As if they do count,
there is allways a limit to the size of the net.

 eg. Morphail is level 28.
 Say we optimize the netsize for him:
  He would have 4 Vampires of level 14
   who each would control 4 vampires of level 7
    who each would control 4X3 levels +1x2 levels of undead
    of whom the 3 level undeads would control 6 1 level undeads each
     and lastly all the 2 level undeads would control 4 one level undeads

 So the net would be

    1x 28 level Nosferatu     Morphail
    4x 14 level Vampire
    16x 7 level vampire
    64x 3 level undead
    16x 2 level undead
   448x 1 level undead

thats 549 undeads of a sum of 868 hd (or levels)

Spooky!


Though ofcource, such optimization is impossible
the net would be a bit smaller actually,
or should I say is, in the Boldavia.

I have allways loved Morphail as an villain  :)

Pasi

- -- 
X  Pasi Anias           X  p.931-2533536   X       \\|//       X
X  Sammonkatu 28 A 18   X  a122286@proffa  X       (o o)       X
X  33540 Tampere        X   .cc.tut.fi     X  o000--(_)--000o  X

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:51:01, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Globe of Mystara?

Daniel Boese writes:

>  I just had a rather interesting conversation with a person who 
swears
> that TSR sold a few hundred (or maybe thousand) globes of the 
planet of
> Mystara.. they included physical features and political boundries. 
It was
> able to split open on the equator, revealing the Hollow World 
(which was
> also visible through the polar openings). He doesn't recall if it 
was pre-
> or post-Wrath.

>  Has anybody else heard of these globes, and more importantly, know 
how I
> can order one? :)

Are you sure?  Is this globe a new release? or TSR getting rid of 
some old products that never made it to the market?

______________________________________
- -Tim                       mrru13a@prodigy.com


------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 06:42:53 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Prince G-W and Thar

>3. And this is the most important
>   Leveldraining undeads (vampires, Spektres, Wraithts etc) gain an
>automatic control over their victims (those who they cause to be undeads).
>It would seem thas this is intended to be entirely separate from other
>controlling, ie there is no real limit to this.

[snip]

>The decision of wether the selfdrained undeads count agaist the
>limits is an important one, as it decides wether or not the
>unlimited 'undead nets' can exist or not. As if they do count,
>there is allways a limit to the size of the net.

        I think it does count against the total, and the point of "automatic
control" is not that it's for free, but there is no roll to see whether the
control is successfully instantiated.

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:     dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu         |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax: (619) 642-6709                  |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Homepage:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:28:32 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Son of Dawn

At 01.31 28/08/96 -0400, you wrote:

>I found this advertisement rather bizarre as well.
>In an earlier post, I asked if anyone had any information about when the
book, Son of 
>Dawn, would be published. This book is mentioned in the back of Dragonmage
of Mystara 
>and is apparently a Mystara book about Shadow Elves. Yet I have seen no
indication 
>anywhere else that this book exists. Judging by the lack of response to my
post, it 
>would seem that no one else has any information either.

Herve Musseau told me in July that I read Sone of Dawn and found it nice, so
I suppose the book was published.
Herve will join again this list in September, so you'll have to wait just a
couple of weeks to know something more about that book.

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:41:52 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Rules Cyclopedia

I keep hearing about that rules cyclopedia...but...what is it?

------------------------------

From: Robert Kaelin <kaelin@natural.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:19:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Rules Cyclopedia

>I keep hearing about that rules cyclopedia...but...what is it?

A couple years ago  (Somone look up the copywrite date, I don't have my
book with me.)  they rereleased the OD&D rules into 2 sets.  (Yet First was
a set for levels 1-3 as an intro.  (It featured the Thunder Rift setting I
believe and those wierd floor maps you marched carboard cut-outs around
on.)

Following this were the "complete rules" for all levels, the Rules
Cyclopedia.  Essentially, it's a compendium of all the rules from Basic,
Expert, Companion and Master level settings that were featured in the boxed
sets.  It also has an overview of Mystara in it (including maps, basic
descriptions of the countries and interesting points, etc.)

I still see the occaisional copy of it at stores around here (usually at
the compleat strategist in Boston.)

Some web-based used hobby stores have it as well. (But it's harder to get a
look at it first.)

- -Bob

- ------------------------------------------------
Bob Kaelin             Natural Intelligence
Software Developer     725 Concord Ave.
(617) 876-7680 x1253   Cambridge Ma. 02138
Kaelin@natural.com     <http://www.natural.com>



------------------------------

From: David Keyser <davidk@Synopsys.COM>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:38:28 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Penhalgion Trilogy

>From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
>Actually, "Hail the Heroes" referred to the first book in the Dragonlord
>Trilogy.  The adventure says it was penned by Perrantin the mage.  Solveig
>White-Gold is the one who discovered the Shield of Halav.

Yes, this book is in there as well, which can be found at the end of the 
module.  But take a look at page 16, Clue 7 in the module, where the PCs are
researching in the Magicians Guild Hall library.  I have copied it below, for
those who don't have it.  The actual passage is done on the CD track, but the
text that accompanies it is as follows:

Track 19 Description of the village of Threshold, from the Dragon's Tomb, by
Johauna Menhir.  This small volume, written by an adventurer, tells the tale of
a magical sword and an epic battle.  The description is misleading, for it 
depicts Threshold as a small village.  Since the data of the manuscript is not
given, it is difficult to tell whether the author was writing entertaining
fiction without a real basis in fact or if the adventure simply took place 
before Threshold grew to its present size.


I consider this to be almost an apology from TSR.

>That works well too.  Just curious, do you use the Order of the Three Suns? 
>You'd almost have to.  How did you handle Arteris Penhaligon's title?

Yes there is an Order of the Three Suns, with one or two knights(knighted by the
Duke) who are allies
of the Penhalgion family, and the rest are squires.  Similar to what someone
else on this newsgrop has done.  As for Arteris, she is a Lady in 1000AC, and
will become a Baroness when she does sufficient service for Stefan, perhaps
during the Desert Nomad wars in 1005-1006AC.  I don't think she should still be
a Lady in 1013AC.  My campaign is still in the pre Wrath years of 1000-1004AC.

>Bas van Doornspeek
>I don't know a thing about that village...I'm looking for more information
>about all those villages.

The destroyed remains of that village were described in DMR1, which was a DM
accessory/aid.  It overlaps with Thunder Rift, showing a one-way portal to 
Mystara from Thunder Rift.

>Don't have that one...I had no money when I could buy it...and now it's gone

Mail order companies in the US have spare copies of Hail the Heroes, but I
don't know if they ship all over the world.

Dave Keyser

------------------------------

From: David Keyser <davidk@Synopsys.COM>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:51:58 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Son of Dawn novel

>Michael Ray Johnson
>In an earlier post, I asked if anyone had any information about when the book, Son of 
>Dawn, would be published. This book is mentioned in the back of Dragonmage of Mystara 
>and is apparently a Mystara book about Shadow Elves. Yet I have seen no indication 
>anywhere else that this book exists. Judging by the lack of response to my post, it 
>would seem that no one else has any information either.

I have a copy of Son of Dawn.  It came out before Dragonmage of Mystara, and I think it
came out before Dark Knight of Karameikos.  I got a copy at a hobby shop, and it is
part of a Young Quest or First Quest series of novels.  Those books were written more
for teens, but it still has good details in it of the Isle of Dawn, Thyatis, and 
Aengmoor.  It is set in 1010 AC.  

The series itself were books in their own made up worlds, except for two, where the 
authors placed it in Mystara.  Rogues to Riches is the other one, set in Norworld, but
it is of very little use, little campaign info, and the story is too silly to have really
taken place in Mystara.

Dave Keyser

------------------------------

From: David Keyser <davidk@Synopsys.COM>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:08:52 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Beholder modules

Does anyone know if the new Beholder module trilogy has the flexibility to be set in
Mystara?  The Beholder accessory that came out before the modules has a small 2 paragraph
description on what Mystara beholders look like.

Dave Keyser

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 22:57:27 PDT
Subject: [Mystara] Hail the Heroes, Night of the Vampire, etc.

I've never seriously considered these modules because of the high prices,
CDs, and AD&D format (being an OD&Der).  Some things people are saying here
sound like they may actually be interesting and worthwhile, though,
especially since one can get these things at substantial discount from the
right sources.  Can anyone offer opinions on these and any other Mystara
modules in that series?

Thanks,

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:     dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu         |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax: (619) 642-6709                  |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Homepage:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 00:09:32 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Beholder modules

At 11:08 PM 8/29/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if the new Beholder module trilogy has the flexibility to
be set in
>Mystara?  The Beholder accessory that came out before the modules has a
small 2 paragraph
>description on what Mystara beholders look like.

        I have the "I, Tyrant" accessory and will be receiving the first
module of the Beholder triad, "Eye of Pain," soon.  I'll be happy to offer
my opinion on the matter once I have a chance to look at it.

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:     dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu         |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax: (619) 642-6709                  |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Homepage:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:43:25, -0500
Subject: [Mystara] Beholder modules

<<<Does anyone know if the new Beholder module trilogy has the 
flexibility to be set in
Mystara?>>>  

yup. You can easily adapt it to Mystara.

______________________________________
- -tim                           mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: DragonMast@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:18:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Beholder modules

In a message dated 96-08-30 02:53:40 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone know if the new Beholder module trilogy has the flexibility to
be set in
 Mystara?  The Beholder accessory that came out before the modules has a
small 2 paragraph
 description on what Mystara beholders look like.
  >>

I for one, am planning on running these modules in Mystara.  I didn't see
anything that looked like it wouldn't work.  But, being really new to Mystara
I may have missed some pitfalls.  BTW, the first module, though short, is
very well written.

Just my two cents...

Wayne

------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:09:56 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Hail the Heroes, Night of the Vampire, etc.

At 22:57 29-08-96 PDT, you wrote:
>I've never seriously considered these modules because of the high prices,
>CDs, and AD&D format (being an OD&Der).  Some things people are saying here
>sound like they may actually be interesting and worthwhile, though,
>especially since one can get these things at substantial discount from the
>right sources.  Can anyone offer opinions on these and any other Mystara
>modules in that series?
>
>Thanks,
>
>/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
>~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:     dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu         |~
>~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax: (619) 642-6709                  |~
>~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Homepage:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
>\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
>
>
I got Night of the Vampire and that Karameikos boxed set.
The CD added to it is quite cool. It adds a kind of aura.
The Rule in Night o/t Vampire and First Quest and AD&D, so I think that it's
easy to adopt them to D&D.

------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:21:04 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Prince G-W and Thar

At 13.58 29/08/96 +0200, Anias Pasi wrote:

>1. When a spell-casting undead is controlling other undead he uses his
>spellcasting level instead of HD Morphail is 28th level)

Right. I overlooked this detail...
>
>2. The controlled undead can have max. half the hitdices of the
>controller (morphail can control undeads of max. 14th level (and
>to the max. sum of 56 hd))

Yes.
>3. And this is the most important
>   Leveldraining undeads (vampires, Spektres, Wraithts etc) gain an
>automatic control over their victims (those who they cause to be undeads).
>It would seem thas this is intended to be entirely separate from other
>controlling, ie there is no real limit to this.
>
No. Leveldraining undead gain automatic control of their victims if they
want to, but this do count in their max number of pawns and RC states that
this may force the liege to release other existing pawns.



**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349 
                                        


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #200
*****************************



mystara-digest           Thursday, 5 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 201


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:11:06, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Beholder modules

This module could be easily played in Karameikos.

______________________________________________
- -tim                                  mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:58:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Son of Dawn (was Black Vessel)

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Johnson commented:

>In an earlier post, I asked if anyone had any information about when the
>book, Son of 
>Dawn, would be published.

"Son of Dawn" was published as part of the "First Quest" line of books. 
"Rogues to Riches," also a "First Quest" book, is set on Mystara as well. 
I don't have either one, so I can't tell you any more than that.


Later,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: Estlor <estlor@geocities.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 01:40:58 -0400
Subject: [Mystara] Timeline

Did someone mention timeline?

Sure, my netbook (which has been both praised and critisized) had a 
timeline, but some reading I've done (Dark Knight of Karameikos) has 
shattered some events I laid out.  So, here is my partial (but long) 
list of some events from 1015 to 1017 AC:
                              ***
                         
1015 AC (Incomplete): King Tellemon of the Shadow Elven Territories, 
Aengmor, and the Cannolbarth forest dies of a heart attack in his sleep. 
Sadiya is crowned queen of all the Shadow Elf lands. 
     Semi-hostile elves begin to appear in the Dymark forest. They 
threaten the settlers of the reigion, but no causalties have occured as 
of now. 
     Corwyn Mauntea, Chancellor of Darokin, suffers a massive stroke. 
Though he is rushed to local priests for healing, the loss of blood and 
oxygen to his brain has left irreversible damage to his mind and
motor skills. 
     In an attempt to keep the country moving and lessen debate by the 
wealthy merchant families, his estranged niece. Isabella De'Angelo, is 
named acting Chancellor until the time of census to determine which
family is the richest. 
     Grygory, a loyal follower of Baron Yuschiev, is knighted. 
     Etienne De'Ambriville makes his grand reappearance...and is 
promptly given his principality back by
Isidore. He looks to "rally the troops" of Glantri to discover all they 
can about Dolores/Synn's plans for Glantri and the rest of the Known 
World. 
     Humanoids, toteing crossbows and using advanced tactics, begin 
systemmatically attacking cities in the country of Darokin. They claim 
to be under the banner of a Glantrian, on Connor MacGregor of the House
Klantyre. Casualties are steep, but the soldiers manage to dig in and 
keep the cities alive. 
     A band of heros depart for the Great School of Magic in Glantri. 
They have been granted permission by Harrald of Haskins to search the 
records of students for the name of Connor MacGregor. His hope is that
when they fail to find the existance of such a person, they will give up 
all hope of attack the House Klantyre. 
     An assasination attempt on the life of King Stefan is thwarted by a 
delegation of Vyalian elves coming to Mirros to discuss the situation in 
the Dymark forest. Though the would-be assasin remains unknown,
Thyatians automatically suspect the Traladarans, furthering the bad 
relations in the land. 
     King Reston is declaired king of Ierendi for life. They queen 
competition will continue as normal, and the king competition will 
likewise go on, except the title of "best man" goes to the winner until 
Reston passes away. 
     The ship, the Pioneer, return to port in Mirros after a trip around 
Mystara. The ship, however, holds only three men, the first mate, the 
mid-shipman, and a strange halfling. 
     The two men tell of a voyage which began well, but got off to 
tragedy quickly. The ship discovered a strange floating island in a 
location where none was supposed to have been. Closer inspection showed 
it to
bear strange ruins like those found in Ylaruam. They, once under a 
comprehend languages, told the tale of
the Nithian peoples, and had strange markings about worship and entropy. 
Shortly after the discovery, they
were attacked and lost half the crew to unknown monsters. 
     They continued to say while circling Davinia, they were assaulted 
by hostile dragons of unknow types,
some with yellow scales, some with scales of shadows, and some meere 
skeletons. They were the only two
to survive the attack, and the ship would have surely sank if not for 
the aid of the halfling traveller's race. 
     They said he claimed to belong to people similar to the hin, but 
much more humorous. They claimed
they had lived in eastern Skothar for centuries, and came from a 
different dimension. The name they used for
themselves was "Krynnish." 
     A strange new Immortal, calling herself Tiamat, Empress of all 
Dragons, begins an attempt to influence
the dragons. The Great One calls for the Immortal of entropy who 
sponsored her to come forth, but no one
states they have even seen or heard from her before. 
     The World Games take place in Shireton. Five Shires. The game is a 
booming success, with the return
of swimming venues, the addition of rapids-running events, canoe races, 
and Hardball (and Alphatian
favorite). 
     All the world is present, except for the Dwarves of Rockhome who 
prepair for war with the Shadow
Elves and the Shadow Elves themselves. New additions to the games are 
the New Alphatian Empire, which
barely keeps from bombing the Glantrian athletes' dorms, the Peral 
Islands which have good showings in the
new water races, and Ocheala, who take time out of their busy 
Druid/Cleric lives to enjoy the competition. 
     Thyatis pushes heavily for the next games, but they once more lose 
out, this time to Minrothad's
Minrothad City. 
     Estlor of the Estate of Achelos recieves a mysterious dream from 
Mealidean telling him to, "Look
towards Ylaruam." He believes Mealidean is telling him to claim Ylaruam 
as their new homeland, in
retribution for the murder of a few refugees that accidentally entered 
Ylari soil. 
     Estlor begins to band the Alfhiem, Shadow, and Shiye elves in 
Karameikos into a loose army and
attempts to train them to strike sometime next year. 
     The Day of Dread occurs once more. Etienne finally links this event 
to the Radience, and begins to
wonder if his loss of Immortality was what recharged the artifact. 
     1016 AC: An army of elves take an occupy the western part of 
Ylarum. The Sultan Mohammed
Al-Kalim calls for irradication of these abominations and return to the 
wizardless country they know of. 
     Oliver Jowett dies of old age.  The Church of Karameikos is torn 
between the factions of Madget and Alfric Oderbry, and tensions mount 
toward religious war.
     The clerics of Al-Kalim strangly side with Estlor and request all 
fighting cease on both sides. The
Sultan refuses, having received a premonition from Al-kalim's olf 
follower and the one who he dictated the
Nahmeh to. The premonition stated that the clerics have turned from the 
true Way and should be
vanquished. 
     1017 AC: Ylari troops are beaten back by the elvish army. 
     Finally, with the aid of dreams planted by Ilsundal and Al-kalim, 
Estlor and the Sultan realize what was
meant to happen. The two sides ally with the Dwarves of Rockhome to 
attack the Shadow elves and reclaim
Alfhiem. In return, the elves will teach Al-kalim's clerics their 
technique of magical rain so as to help the
desert garden along. 
                                     ***

Now I warn you right off that most of this may be objective (predictions 
and follow-ups on old timelines), but some are from my campaign only.

A quick explination of the "Krynnish" hin (before someone jumps on me 
for integrating Dragonlance).  They are not straight "kender", rather, 
they are somewhere between kender and the minean tribesmen from Toowin's 
Travels.  I haven't specified them quite yet, but that's one thing.

Next: The dragons.  I like to have a slightly broader dragon choice in 
my world, so I stuck these in.  The "dracolich" dragons are like Calor 
from WotI, not the Dracolich presented in Forgotten Relams (or Monster 
Manual).  I tried moving them as far away from Brun as possible, so that 
they hardly effect the continuity.

Oh, and about that "island" with the Nithian stuff:  This is my 
interjection on the mysterious floating island from the timeline in 
Joshuan's Almanac.  I'm bringing up long-buried Nithian info to tie in 
something dealing with stronger undead in my version, but that can be 
easily dropped.

And finally, I've taken the liberty to work some FNN info into a 
timeline date.  I don't claim ownership of those parts (they should be 
obvious), but I think they only help to add to the general mounting of 
tensions throughout Mystara.

Oh, and Estlor can easily be replaced by any other elven hero you 
want...I just felt like using my PC since he was familiar to me.

There, I've said more than I needed to.  And I think I've addressed all 
critisims (oh, and you can change, drop, or ignore anything posted on 
those timelines).  I apologize for the length

Estlor

------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:57:15 +-200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Timeline

Hi everybody,
where can I get a complete Mystara Timeline?

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it


------------------------------

From: Daniel Boese <dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:18:47 -0400 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Timeline

> Hi everybody,
> where can I get a complete Mystara Timeline?
> Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

 I've written a fairly comprehensive 'canon' one, and am working on
updates, as well as compiling all the 'noncanon' ones. I believe you can
find a copy at
http://moray.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/mystara/timeline.html

- --
Daniel Boese                                   dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca
Official Keeper of the Unofficial Timeline


------------------------------

From: Estlor <estlor@geocities.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 23:56:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Timeline

Daniel Boese wrote:
> 
>                        Postage paid by: [Image]
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> > Hi everybody,
> > where can I get a complete Mystara Timeline?
> > Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
> 
>  I've written a fairly comprehensive 'canon' one, and am working on
> updates, as well as compiling all the 'noncanon' ones. I believe you can
> find a copy at
> http://moray.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/mystara/timeline.html
> 
> --
> Daniel Boese                                   dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca
> Official Keeper of the Unofficial Timeline

And I sorta mirrored his 'canon' one at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6011/timeline.htm
..come to think of it I need to post my newer version with some other
ones..and spell Boese right this time : )

Estlor

------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:52:49 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Karameikos' Army

Okay, 

I have a question about a division of Karameikos' army.
There is a division called "Baators Jailers". Why would someone name it's
army like that? If a Baatezu sees that, he's gonna get his friends and kick
all those soldiers...



------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mages

As I understand it, Bellayne is populated by refugees from Mysohima who 
once had an oriental culture but who have since been assimilated to the 
culture of their adopted land, which is English in flavor (hence the 
place names).  At any rate, I share your desire to see more areas of 
Mystara based on non-western cultures for variety and depth.  However, I 
have become more and more of the opinion that it is impossible to give 
any really plausible history to the mishmash of rearranged countries on 
the Mystara map.  In my campaign I try to explain Renardy and Pawchester 
as nations of Glantrian freed humanoid slaves and Eusdria and Robrenn as 
the work of Ka or some other immortal who ran out of storage space in the 
hollow world and instead plunked them down on the relatively unpopulated 
savage coast.  
Anyway, Why does there have to be one source for oriental culture on 
mystara?  there is no one clear source for occidental culture, nor does 
there appear to be much logic to the various descendants of oltec 
culture.  by the by, what ever happened to the native humans on the 
savage coast who are mentioned in X9?  this module made the area sound a 
lot like the old mission system in california, with local human cultures 
being first absorbed and then replaced by spanish culture and religion.  
these locals have been written out of the red steel set.  what gives?  
anybody?

m@2

On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Glenn Butcher wrote:

> > 
> >         According to the Red Steel bosed set, Bellayne is very much an
> > oriental culture. But what about the Jennites or Ethengar? Both are oriental
> > settings, although more in the style of The Horde than anything else. 
> > Ulimwengu is more of an ancient australian/outback than an african setting.
> 
> Speaking as one who has lived in the Australian outback, Ulimwengu is
> not like that at all. Perhaps you are thinking of the section in the
> Savage Coast? [Name currently escapes me I admit. The one with the
> chameleon men. Ahhh, thats it: Wallara].
> 
> > However there are many undescribed areas in the outer and hollow world. If
> > there is any place to develop an oriental setting for the Mystara setting,
> > it's here on the list, so why don't we pick an undescribed area and create
> > our own Oriental setting? No one else is going to do it.
> >
> 
> Not a bad idea tho. Perhaps the various countries described are decended
> from one original oriental culture? Such a culture could now be in HW.
> 
> Glenn
> -- 
> ********************************************************************************
> Sir Lighthaft, Lord of Paladins               Mortal Avatar:
> knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au     
> Home page: http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight                               
> ********************************************************************************
> 

------------------------------

From: Joe Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 18:54:42 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] [O] Anybody home?

At 11:43 AM 8/27/96 +-200, you wrote:
>Yes, I'm here!
>Joe Duncan, are you there?

        Of course. See my previous post...
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

        "Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive"
        Joe Duncan, Computer Science, Carleton University
        jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
        cq793@freenet.carleton.ca

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------


------------------------------

From: Joe Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 18:54:27 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] [O] Anybody home?

At 05:41 PM 8/26/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Whatever happened to the MOrient?
>Are we still waiting on the comprehensive compilation of ideas?

        I'm working on it, unfortunately, I haven't had much time, but if
everyone's patient, I still have the adresses of those interested and I will
be contacting them as soon as I am finished, don't worry, it's not dead....
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

        "Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive"
        Joe Duncan, Computer Science, Carleton University
        jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
        cq793@freenet.carleton.ca

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------


------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:49:54 +-200
Subject: [Mystara] Hutaakas

Hi everybody.

I noticed a drop in the amount of letters sent. Is that because the =
school is about to begin?

After this useless thing, here is the real question:
Are the Hutaaka race extint on Mystara? If not, where do they live? Does =
anybody have stats about them (I haven't found anything in the manuals), =
for using as monsters or even as PC?

see you!
Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 05:20:24 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Hutaakas

At 12:49 PM 9/3/96 +-200, Gabrielle wrote:

>Are the Hutaaka race extint on Mystara?  If not, where do they live? Does
anybody have stats about them (I haven't found anything in the manuals), for
using as monsters or even as PC?

        Nope, the race is not extinct.  There is a small number left on the
outer world, in the lost valley in the mountains north of Threshold at the
border with Darokin.  That location is described in detail in B10 Night's
Dark Terror, where PCs encounter the remnants of the Hutaakan civilization
and that of the ancient Traldar as they war with each other for control of
the valley.
        That group is sure to die out, if not from the conflict with the
Traldar or PC actions, then by nature, since they don't have a sufficient
number to maintain a viable gene-pool.  I forget the exact number of them
but it's pretty small.  However, those are merely stranded Hutaakans.  Many
were transplanted into the Hollow World, where they have their own nation
and ties to Hollow World Nithia.  The Hollow World Player's Book does indeed
give rules for Hutaakan PCs.
        As a side note, in a previous campaign I ran, PCs had a nasty time
with the outer world valley Hutaakans (one of the PCs was beheaded by them,
for starters).  Imagine their shock when years later they were in Nithia of
the Hollow World (as part of the Blood Brethen Trilogy) and saw Hutaakans
milling about!  And to add insult to injury, their learning that there's an
entire NATION of them nearby!  The character who had been beheaded (the head
was retreived and he was _raised_) had to be calmed by other party members.
He wanted to launch an expedition to wipe out all of the Hollow World
Hutaakans--yeah, as if!

Hope this helps,

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:     dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu         |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax: (619) 642-6709                  |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Homepage:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Tue,  3 Sep 1996 08:44:44, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Hutaakas

<<<<< here is the real question:
Are the Hutaaka race extint on Mystara?>>>

No, they are not extinct.  However, there are very few in the Known 
World.  They live in isolated communities in the mountains north of 
Karameikos.  In my campaign, they have small communities like this 
all over Mystara.


<<<
anybody have stats about them (I haven't found anything in the 
manuals), =
for using as monsters or even as PC?
>>>>

They are in the Creature Catalog (9438) on page 58-59
Here's the stats:

Priest: AC 6; HD 2*; move 90' (30'); #app 1d4+1;  Save C2; treasure S;
 Int 11; AL N; XP 25
Warrior: AC 5; HD 1; move 90' (30'); #app 1d4+4; Save F1; treasure S; 
Int 10; AL N; XP 10
Other: AC 8; HD 1-1; move 90' (30'); #app 2d10; Save Normalman; 
treasure S; Int 9; AL N; XP 5

------------------------------

From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Hutaakas

> Are the Hutaaka race extint on Mystara? If not, where do they live? Does
> anybody have stats about them (I haven't found anything in the manuals),
> for using as monsters or even as PC? 

No, the Huttakans aren't extinct.  The module B10 gives some information
on the Hutaakans in the Lost Valley, an area in Karameikos.  They are at a
perpetual war with the Traldar there, whom once they ruled over.

There are also Hutaakans in the Hollow World, near the Nithian Kingdom.
Thse ones have not been abandoned by Pflarr and are seeminglyu
independent.

Stats for Hutaakans as monsters are availablein the Creature catalog and
B10.  There are 3 types listed, Priests, Warriors and Other.

Stats for Hutaakans as PCs are available in the Hollow World Boxed set,
basically they are like thieves with only 2 or 3 skills and a level 8 max.
They can be shamans up to 8th level and get a bonus to Wisdom.

That's all the places I know of that have info on them.


Maybe Decepticons do bad stuff to island  -Swoop
Then we do more badder stuff to them  -Slag


------------------------------

From: s9406058@student.anu.edu.au (Shawn)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:20:26 +1000
Subject: [Mystara] Immortal Harrow - Question

Hello All

I am wondering about the Immortal Harrow (the diabolus one).  In WotI it says
there was some information about him in IM3.  Since I don't have this and since
I am interested in doing something with the diaboli I thought I'd ask if
someone could tell me what it says about him in this.

Thanks


Shawn Stanley
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/index.html



------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 12:44:54 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] [ADMIN] Mailing List Member Page...

> 
> Name: Geoff Gander
> E-Mail Address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
> City/State/Country: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> Age: 22
> Home Page: http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~ggander.html 
> Years Playing RPG's: 10
> Years Involved with Mystara: 5
> Other D&D Settings Used: NA
> Other RPG's Played: Paranoia (BIG ONE), Beyond the Supernatural,
Rolemaster, Top Secret S.I., TMNT, AD&D, Star Frontiers, Gang Busters,
MERP, Robotech, several homemade RPGs, Car Wars, Marvel Super Heroes, and
much much more...
 > General Comments:  I think this discussion group is very good,
informative, yes, I'd have to say it appeals to me.....
 > 
> ----------------------------Cut Here---------------------------
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:10:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Savage Coast Campaign Book

Anybody know what's going on with the Savage Coast Campaign Book (due out
in Aug. this year as part of the Odessey series)?  I've been to several
gaming stores over the past month and none of them have it, I've heard
everything from "the computer says we sold out of them" to "never heard of
it, if its not here we don't have it".  Any body know where I can get it,
if it was even released, etc.

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #201
*****************************



mystara-digest           Saturday, 7 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 202


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Savage Coast Campaign Book

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, StarHawk wrote:

> Anybody know what's going on with the Savage Coast Campaign Book (due out
> in Aug. this year as part of the Odessey series)?  I've been to several
> gaming stores over the past month and none of them have it, I've heard
> everything from "the computer says we sold out of them" to "never heard of
> it, if its not here we don't have it".  Any body know where I can get it,
> if it was even released, etc.

    The Odessey series is not being released through stores, but rather
online, through MPGN.  It can also be accessed through the Mystara home
page...

     http://www.io.com/~oryon

    It is a single zipped file, in either RTF or ASCII format.  Currently,
only the RTF version is accessable through the MML home page.


                          Leroy Van Camp III
          owner-mystara-l@io.com         van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 MST3K




------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:59:34 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Savage Coast Campaign Book

At 14:10 5-09-96 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody know what's going on with the Savage Coast Campaign Book (due out
>in Aug. this year as part of the Odessey series)?  I've been to several
>gaming stores over the past month and none of them have it, I've heard
>everything from "the computer says we sold out of them" to "never heard of
>it, if its not here we don't have it".  Any body know where I can get it,
>if it was even released, etc.
>
>
There is something of Savage Coast on Internet from TSR....

------------------------------

From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Mystara] Hutaakans

<< Are the Hutaaka race extint on Mystara? If not, where do they live? >>

No, they are just very rare.  A few of them live in a hidden valley in
Karameikos 
(see module B10, _Night's Dark Terror_), while a recent Mystara novel (whose
name escapes me for the moment) places one group on the Serpent Peninsula
and another on the Savage Coast.


------------------------------

From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Mystara] Savage Coast Campaign Book

<< Anybody know what's going on with the Savage Coast Campaign Book (due out
 in Aug. this year as part of the Odessey series)?  I've been to several
 gaming stores over the past month and none of them have it, I've heard
 everything from "the computer says we sold out of them" to "never heard of
 it, if its not here we don't have it".  Any body know where I can get it,
 if it was even released, etc.  >>

It is an "on-line exclusive", available for free via AOL or via FTP to the 
"mpgn.com" site.


------------------------------

From: Joe Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 21:40:13 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Savage Coast Campaign Book

At 02:10 PM 9/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody know what's going on with the Savage Coast Campaign Book (due out
>in Aug. this year as part of the Odessey series)?  I've been to several
>gaming stores over the past month and none of them have it, I've heard
>everything from "the computer says we sold out of them" to "never heard of
>it, if its not here we don't have it".  Any body know where I can get it,
>if it was even released, etc.
>
>
        It's free over the 'net. Try the MPGN FTP site...

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

        "Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive"
        Joe Duncan, Computer Science, Carleton University
        jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
        cq793@freenet.carleton.ca

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------


------------------------------

From: Renegade23@gnn.com ()
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:17:28
Subject: [none]

Like many of you, I've inserted many canned afventures into various places on 
the continent of Brun.  Some of the early red books gave hints as to where 
some of the basic adventures like B2 should be placed.  I'm curious as to if 
a list exists of where other DMs have placed various modules from the AD&D 
line, especially early products like the Slave Lord series and the Ghost 
Tower of Inverness for example.

To those who are compiling a list of cities known for their excellence in 
maufacturing swords etc, have you looked at the Darokin Gazeteer and the 
Minrothad Gazateer which both list imports and exports from land and sea 
routes respectively?  I would suspect that a city revered for a given 
commodity would likely have it on a list of exports though that may not be 
true in every case.

Just my thoughts
        Renegade


------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Fri,  6 Sep 1996 09:58:43, -0500
Subject: [Mystara] Night Dragons

where can i find the stats on a Night Dragon?

Also, has anyone heard any news on the Mystara Surface/Hollow World 
Globe thingy????

- ----------------------------------------------------------
- -tim                      mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: CRlPTONITE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:25:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Night Dragons

< where can i find the stats on a Night Dragon?
 
< Also, has anyone heard any news on the Mystara Surface/Hollow World 
< Globe thingy????
 
<----------------------------------------------------------
<-tim                      mrru13a@prodigy.com 

well Synn's stats can be found in a few places 
including the AD&D Glantri material
but as for the other night dragons
they are equivalent to red dragons
i believe the breath weapon is different though
i think it drains heat
but it does the same damage as a red dragons breath weapon
i also assume that eventually they can change to human form at will like Synn
can

hope this helps,

Rich

------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:41:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Night Dragons

CRlPTONITE@aol.com wrote:
> 
> < where can i find the stats on a Night Dragon?
> 
> < Also, has anyone heard any news on the Mystara Surface/Hollow World
> < Globe thingy????

> well Synn's stats can be found in a few places
> including the AD&D Glantri material
> but as for the other night dragons
> they are equivalent to red dragons
> i believe the breath weapon is different though
> i think it drains heat
> but it does the same damage as a red dragons breath weapon
> i also assume that eventually they can change to human form at will like Synn
> can
> 
> hope this helps,
> 
> Rich

Complete OD&D stats for the night dragons are given in the "Heroes of the Princess Ark" 
book in the Champions of Mystara boxed set.  It includes special magical powers, a 
description of their breath weapon, and a little about their undead nature.  The stats 
given are slightly different from red dragons' OD&D stats.

Patrick

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Fri,  6 Sep 1996 20:14:12, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] CD ROM core rules CD

To anyone that wants a review on the new cd rom put out by tsr, I 
must say that it's very impressive.  They have the five most commonly 
used AD&D source books (DMG, PHB, TOM, Arms & Equipment, and the 
Monstrous Manuel).  It's option for adding existing characters is 
incredible.  They give lots of leeway on the rules for your ability 
scores and classes.  They give you pictures and detailed descriptions 
on most magical/nonmagical items.  From embroided robes and drawers 
to a holy avenger +5, it's very usefull.  If it doesn't have what you 
want, or you need to enter something original to your campaign, you 
can custom make it.  It even has a short cartoon that has incredible 
animation. 
The DMing tools are pretty usefull too. I created an random encounter 
table for many different places in my Davania campaign. Also, I got 
to enter all of my original monsters, and NPCs into the system.  It's 
very user friendly. If you right-click on anything, a short 
discription will tell you what to do. If that doesn't work, there is 
a wizard button that creates a graphic of a wizard that will walk 
around your screen and tell you everything you can do.
The price may be high, but I believe it is well worth the money.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---------
- -tim                                        mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Kevin Finn Augenstein <kevinaug@ihug.co.nz>
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:44:38 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] CD ROM core rules CD

What formats is this CD-rom avaliable on. Does it come on Macs. I'm just
interested no one seems to be stocking it around me. Is it normally
avalible in Computer stores or role-playing stores. ( I haven't seen a
copy yet, maybe it's just not arrived in New Zealand yet, things always
take a long time to reach us)

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Sat,  7 Sep 1996 09:19:22, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] CD ROM core rules CD

<<<<<
What formats is this CD-rom avaliable on. Does it come on Macs. I'm 
just
interested no one seems to be stocking it around me. Is it normally
avalible in Computer stores or role-playing stores. ( I haven't seen 
a
copy yet, maybe it's just not arrived in New Zealand yet, things 
always
take a long time to reach us)>>>>>

The copy I have is only compatible with IBMs (Windows 3.11 and 
Windows 95).  I'm not sure if it is availible on Macs or not.  It 
should be though.  I picked up my copy in a computer store at a local 
mall.  It just recently came out, so it probably isn't widely 
availible just yet.  


- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
- --
tim                                 mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:42:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mages

On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> Joe Duncan writes:
> > 
> > 
> > >   Well, the culture of Bellayne is actually more like Victorian England,
> > >so states the Princess Ark series.  As far as Oreintal cultures, the only
> > >one that was presented was that of Ochalea, or, failing that, the village
> > >of Lamsa in eastern Glantri - the denizens of which are descended from the
> > >Ethengarians.  As far as Africans go, you'd best look at the Yavdlom
> > >peoples, the Karimari of Ulimwengu (also on the Serpent Peninsula), the
> > >Pearl Islanders, or the Tanagoro.
> > 
> >         According to the Red Steel bosed set, Bellayne is very much an
> > oriental culture. 
> 
>       Like I said, I was going by the maps and details of the Princess Ark
> series.  I mean, with places like Pawchester and Kittings Abbey, it sounds
> quite British to me.

It is British; that is how it was conceived in the Princess Ark series 
originally, especially since it was a counterpart to the lupins of 
Renardy, who represent France, thus allowing for a pseudo-historical 
English-French rivalry.  The oriental cultural attributes were added 
later and half-heartedly in the Red Steel set to make it more consistent 
with the idea that all Rakasta are originally Myoshiman (i.e. Japanese), 
which in itself seems silly since the first appearance of Rakasta was as 
tribal warriors, neither European nor Asian, on the Isle of Dread (x1); 
their second appearance was as retainers of the d'Ambrevilles in the 
original Castle Amber (x2).  Given this, I tend to think that Rakasta are 
just one more humanoid race, old enough to have developed widely 
different cultures in different areas.  I tend to treat the culture of 
Bellayne as British and as having evolved from human settlers from the 
northern Isle of Dawn during the Savage Coast (x9) era; the Rakasta moved 
in later from the Yazak steppes and adopted the language and mannerisms 
of the human culture.
Then again, the whole country is a little silly in the first place ... 
all the bad puns and whatnot ... so I suppose I am probably thinking too 
hard about it.

 > > But what about the Jennites or Ethengar? Both 
are oriental
> > settings, although more in the style of The Horde than anything else.
> 
>       According to the Hollow World setting, the Jennites are like the
> ancient Scythians, whom I believe (correct me if I am wrong) were horse
> warriors not unlike the Huns - Hordelike yes, but not truly Oriental.

Well, its funny you should say that.  First of all, the Scythians are 
believed to be Indo-European, not Hunnish, so they would have been more 
closely related to Slavs, Germans, the ancestors of Persians and 
Indians, etc.  Secondly, the Huns were "oriental" in any sense of that 
word: they came from the central asian steppes and were culturally and 
linguistically related to the Mongols and Turks.  At any rate, all we 
are really doing is arguing the definition of what constitutes 
"oriental", thus showing how arbitrary such groupings are in the first 
place.  The really significant fact is the Jennites are most definitely 
a Horse Warrior culture, and cultures based around the horse tend to 
have certain features in common; to figure out the Jennites look at the 
real world Scythians, Huns, Goths, Mongols, Turks, Avars, Sioux, 
Comanche, Cree, etc. or at the Mystaran Ethengarians, who all should 
share certain features in common.

 >  
> > Ulimwengu is more of an ancient australian/outback than an african setting.
> 
>       Again, I was just going by the African-sounding names - such as
> the capital city of Shanji Kijiji, and sample NPC names.

Ulimwengu IS African, NOT Australian.  It is based on the Pygmy Twa of 
eastern Zaire, who are given a kind of mythic respect by many of the 
peoples around them, who live deep in the forest and are very private 
about their culture, and who are renowned for their skill in taming and 
training animals, especially Elephants.  Re-read the Ulimwengu background 
and you will see how close the resemblance is.

The Australian outback setting is indeed (as someone else has suggested) 
among the Wallara (chameleon men) of the northern Orc's Head Peninsula.

 > 
> > However there are many undescribed areas in the outer and hollow world. If
> > there is any place to develop an oriental setting for the Mystara setting,
> > it's here on the list, so why don't we pick an undescribed area and create
> > our own Oriental setting? No one else is going to do it.
> > 
> > 
> 

One question:  Why the great concern with having a purely "oriental" 
setting anyway?  Everything in Mystara is tweaked, rearranged, and 
smeared together.  Pick and choose the things you like from Asian 
cultures and throw them into the mix in a country where they seem to fit 
... then add your own details to flesh out the interaction.

> > > 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Geoff Gander                               
> Political Science IV
> Carleton University
> General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
> Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Oriental culture (was: Mages)

On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Dave Brohman wrote:

> Shin Chyang Yu writes:
> 
> > Joe Duncan pontificated:
> 
> > > a long time ago. Nowhere else is this part of the Mystara setting described.
> > > There is a vast expanse of land there and it would be quite easy to base a
> > > Mystaran Oriental culture there. Any takers on developping it? I'll try to
> > > help, but my knowledge of oriental culture is limited. Perhaps what we could
> > > do is take small portions of it and let individuals develop their own
> > > oriental nation there. Starting with just basic descriptions at first,
> > > looking at other peoples work on their areas and then working out the
> > > interactions between the nations and there collective histories. The more
> > > people we get the better it will become.
> 
> The first step is too decide what culture to model it on.  There is likely
> no more a single, blanket, all-encompassing Mystaran "oriental" culture
> than there is a single "oriental" culture on Earth.

Hear, hear!

> 
> The Orient is a geographical location, not a point of cultural
> delineation.  My preference leans to Chinese, though Thai and Japanese
> cultures also offer many interesting facets that could be incorporated.
> 

There are so many possible combinations that could be derived from the 
numerous cultures of east and south east Asia.  But why put them all in a 
single place?  There could be a M-China north of Tangor bay (perhaps the 
original home of those who colonized Ochalea); the Minaean pirates to the 
west could be a combination of Greek and Malay culture (that would be 
undoubtedly original!) - remember the Malay were once a powerful 
seafaring nation who colonized Madagascar and possibly much of Oceania.  
Perhaps a culture like Vietnam could be on the southern peninsula of 
Skothar; there is already a brief reference to Indian and Filipino 
cultures as well as Japanese on Myoshima.  Perhaps Korea is in western 
Brun and Burma is somewhere on the coast of Vulcania - the possibilities 
are endless in a world where the Welsh (Hinterlanders) live in a tropical 
jungle near the classical Greeks (Milenians) while warring against the 
medieval Byzantines (Thyatins) and their German (Hattian) allies, who 
live on a little strip of land to the north, just south of the Arabs 
(Ylari),who are south of the Egyptians (Nithians) who are south of the 
Scandinavians (Soderfjorders, Vestlanders, Ostlanders), who live just 
east of Mongolia (Ethengar), which also borders on a composite nation 
(Glantri) composed of French, Italians, Germans, Scots, Dutch, 
Transylvanians, and a whole slew of others.  There is no such thing as 
historical/geographic/cultural faithfulness or purity on Mystara, so 
let's not worry about it.  My latest mini-project will probably be the 
Giff-Iblis riverboat civilization on the Yalu river west of the savage 
coast.  Anyone want to top that for weirdness?


>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Dave Brohman                            E-Mail : dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca
>   Carleton University             
> 
>   Featuring Alexi Sayle as the Balowski Family.
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar

Very good compilation of avavilable material here ... but (of course) I 
have a few comments:

On Mon, 22 Jul 1996 Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:

> In addition to the Great Empire, the continent of Skothar contains many
> cultures of interest.  Like Brun, it has as neighbors many cultures that
> are in much closer proximity than their real world counterparts.  Starting
> in the north, here are a few of the more interesting cultures:
> 
> Nentsun Peninsula:  Obviously, this region should be home to a culture 
> similar to that of the Inuit of North America or the natives of northern 
> Siberia.  Hidden somewhere on this peninsula is the secret city of the
> Qauriks, as described in the _Creature Catalog_.
> 

Just a minor note, but in my version of Mystara I threw a group of elves 
up here ... blue skinned drow known as ice elves, possibly distantly 
related to Icevale elves.  Also, wouldn't HW beastmen tend to stray into 
this area?  would beastmen who entered the outside world escape Hel's 
curse and become true-breeding humanoids/goblinoids?  Another good place 
for an Inuit-type culture is in the uncharted north-central area of Brun 
called Borea and Hyborea on the old Master's map ... there may have been 
a reference to Thule there too.  I prefer this because of the 
(presumably) heavily forested taiga land to the south (north and west of 
Denagoth and the Wildlands) which could contain hunter-gatherer tribes 
similar to the native people of northern canada, who could trade with the 
seacoast ice-dwellers.  On another tangent, does anyone know much about 
the culture of the original inhabitants of Norwold and Heldann?  I 
picture them as Finnish/Siberian in light of the climate and their 
proximity to the Vikings of the Northern Reaches.

> Thonia:  This region is settled by people of Antalian ancestry and has a
> culture similar to that of the Heldanners with one important difference --
> their elite have access to caches of Blackmoor era artifacts, which they
> use to launch wars of conquest.  Fortunately for the rest of Mystara, they
> discovered the secret of spelljamming and decided to conquer other
> crystal spheres rather than waste their time subduing the barbarians of
> their own world.  Of course, this is not good news for the rest of the
> multiverse.

It is interesting how hard it is to fit Blackmoor into the "racial 
history" of Mystara as it has developed in recent supplements.  Blackmoor 
was a peripheral kingdom of the Thonian empire, which probably rivaled 
Alphatia in size and power in its day.  The Thonians/Blackmoorians were 
probably of Neathar/Antalian ancestry and probably have descendants in 
Thonia now ... I don't think the land would be a very good place for a 
conquering empire though, I picture it as a blighted land of ancient 
ruins, deformed children, and unproductive soil, much like the Broken 
lands; possibly it is just as overrun by goblinoids.  Question:  What 
about a possible link between the presence of Orcs etc. in these places 
and the nature of the radiation that poisons them?  Are Orcs immune to 
radiation?  Did they first develop as a species because of it?  How does 
this tie in to the Orcish creation myth of Gruumsh One-Eye and the 
Drawing of the Lots?

> 
> Steppes of Jen:  The details of this culture can be inferred from _Dawn of
> the Emperors_ and the Hollow World boxed set.  Presumably, most of the 
> surviving nomads are chauvinistic followers of Rathanos.
> 
> Nentsun Plateau:  The areas of this region visited by outsiders are inhabited
> by hostile humanoids, mostly Bakemono, Oni, and Ogre Magi.  However,
> deep within is a great civilization dominated by Mystics (sort of a cross
> between Tibet and Shangri-La).

and possibly the source of the colony at Lhamsa in Glantri?

> 
> Jennite Sword:  More hostile humanoids dominate this area.  Here most of
> the humanoids are ogres (of the Western sort), trolls, bugbears, gnolls, and
> alaghi.

What is the relationship between these races and the Jennite humans?  And 
aren't alaghi peaceful forest race, not goblinoid at all?

From ???@??? Tue Sep 10 08:53:02 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)    id OAA15969; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:28:51 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA09680 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 22:57:03 -0500
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 22:57:03 -0500
Message-Id: <199609080357.WAA09680@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #202
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: fe1c5fa8ea2f890a514f50cb2d65ef8e
Status: RO


 > 
> Minaean Coast:  These less civilized cousins of the Jennites who settled 
> the Great Empire are known to the survivors of Alphatia as fierce pirates.
> Their lands consist of many coastal seaports as well as a dense jungle.
> Southeast Asia would probably be a good model for this culture.  They
> are long time enemies of both Alphatia and the Great Empire.

As I said to someone else, the Malay would make an excellent model for 
the Minaeans.  Anybody know anything about the naval history of medieval 
southeast asia?  I do remember reading that the Chinese Emperor sent a 
man named Ma Sanbao with a fleet of ships as far as Zanzibar in East 
Africa in 1435 but then abandoned the mission as too expensive ... Sanbao 
was apparently the source for the legend of Sinbad the Sailor.  This was 
only a little while before Vasco da Gama ... what if Thyatins/Alphatians 
and Mystaran pseudo-Chinese or Minaeans all were sending out naval 
missions of exploration about the same time that were coming into 
conflict .... of course if this happens pre-WotI then the Alphatians have 
a huge advantage if they can replicate Haldemar's Thothian Enchantment 
and send airfleets to blanket the world and eliminate all competitors.

> 
> Tangor:  In the southern mountains live the descendants of the Tanagoro.
> What sort of culture would they have now?  Let's see -- an African culture
> in a mountainous region -- ancient Ethiopia is probably our best model here.
> For fantasy flavor, throw in the medieval legends of Prester John.

Interesting ... a kingdom similar to medieval Kush but trading with the 
Chinese has a lot of potential flavor ... what about a cosmopolitan port 
area, like Zanzibar where Swahili grew from the interaction between 
various African nations and Arab traders?

 > 
> Zyxl:  Since Haldemar says that this island was named after a female 
> gladiator, let's go with that.  For anyone who wanted an Amazon culture
> on Mystara, I humbly submit, this is it!  The women of Zyxl are fierce 
> warriors who occasionally go adventuring in the outside world.  Their
> men are kept at home to perform domestic chores and for breeding
> purposes.  Outsiders who intrude on their island are killed or captured
> and enslaved.
> 

Since someone already mentioned Japan and Samurais, why not have a 
combination of the two?  Zyxl could be a hypermilitaristic feudal nation 
where only women are allowed to bear arms and a rigid code of conduct 
governs honor and combat.  Perhaps (devious grin) the men of Zyxl could 
be in revolt ... since they are slaves without weapons, maybe they invent 
all sorts of new martial arts and weaponry made from agricultural tools 
... men could have secret societies for the teaching of karate and the 
making of tonfa and nunchaku even as amazon samurai patrol the 
countryside in splint mail on horse back and punish the gender rebels ...

m@2

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #202
*****************************



mystara-digest            Monday, 9 September 1996      Volume 01 : Number 203


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Hutaakans

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:

> << Are the Hutaaka race extint on Mystara? If not, where do they live? >>
> 
> No, they are just very rare.  A few of them live in a hidden valley in
> Karameikos 
> (see module B10, _Night's Dark Terror_), while a recent Mystara novel (whose
> name escapes me for the moment) places one group on the Serpent Peninsula
> and another on the Savage Coast.
> 
> 
Can you tell us anything about what the novel says about them?  Do they 
have hidden outposts on the peninsula and the coast or are they living 
amongst humans?  The second would be more interesting ... a kind of 
Hutaaka ghetto in one of the colonial cities would make for good 
adventure hooks ...


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:22:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar

> 
> Also, and this is on a different but similar vein- on my Mystara, I have 
> moved the Sylvan Realm from its given location (in GAZ5) on the far 
> northeastern side of the Hyborean Mtns (I think that's right...) to the 
> other side, close to the big lake across from the Yazak steppes. This way 
> it is closer to the races that live on the Immortal's arm (the Ee'ar, who 
> are descended from elven migrants to the SR) and the others. Doubtless 
> the demi-ogres are aware of the elves there, even though they are 
> isolationist.

As I understood it, the given location of the Sylvan Realm was not to the 
northeast of the Hyperborean range, but to the WEST - the Sylvan realm 
was the western edge of brun, a little farther north than that lake and a 
good distance from the Immortals' Arm and the Ee'ar and Enduks.  
Presumably the Orcs who attack the Sylvan Realm in CM7 are from the Yalu 
river valley or the Yazak steppes or both and Moorkroft Elvenbane (as 
hinted at in GAZ 3) is originally from somewhere in the known world, 
maybe Glantri or Darokin.

 > 
> This also sort of jives with the theory of elven migration- it is stated 
> that Mealiden moved them because the area around was becoming 
> overpopulated by humanoids and other races. As for me, I can't see anyone 
> wanting to live waaay up near the north pole where the SR is supposed to 
> exist. YMMV.
> 

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:34:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Barbarians for the Oriental setting

On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Shelby Michlin wrote:

> -- [ From: Shelby Michlin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
> 
> -------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
> > From: Gabriele Ferri           \ Internet:    (fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
> )
> > To:   Post to Mystara-L        \ Internet:    (mystara-l@io.com)
> 
> > For half-ogre and others humanoid barbarians, I'm going to get many ideas
> from
> > a tribe who really treatened China (I don't know their English name, in
> Italian
> > is 'Unni', they are the ones who later came in Europe),
> 
> > P.S. Should barbarians have any magic-user?
> -------- REPLY, End of original message --------
> 
> Hello again,
> 
> Perhaps 'Unni' is 'Hun?'
> 
> As far as barbarians, I would recommend shamans and witch-doctors, rather
> than full magic-users.
> 
> Shelby Michlin
> 

Which brings up a good question, for those of us who are using AD&D, how 
do we deal with the issue of shamans and 
witch-doctors/wiccas/wokani/whateverthefucktsrcallsthemnow?

The artificial division between "civilized" mages and "primitive" 
witch-doctors seem really hokey to me; then again the idea of memorizing 
spells from books is pretty crucial to the mage character and doesn't 
exist in preliterate cultures.  What there needs to be is a good general 
theory of magic use which can accommodate ANY culture a DM wants to add, 
instead of lumping them into western molds.  The AD&D PLayer's Option 
Spells & Magic book has some good suggestion for variant magic systems, 
but I haven't yet really perused or playtested them to check for flaws.  
Anybody?

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Barbarians for the Oriental setting

On Fri, 8 Feb 1980, Joe Duncan wrote:

> At 01:38 PM 7/22/96 +-200, you wrote:
> >Hi again.
> >
> >Since I don't know so much about Chinese culture (I have no books and the
> library is on holiday), I'm going to write something about the "barbarians"
> who treatens our Oriental Country.
> >
> >Now, here are some general ideas, if you have something to add or you don't
> like something, let me know soon, before I start writing:
> >
> >Human barbarians are Mongol-like, great horsemens and really good with bow
> and arrows (I'll get some ideas from the GAZ about Ethengar).
> >
> >For half-ogre and others humanoid barbarians, I'm going to get many ideas
> from a tribe who really treatened China (I don't know their English name, in
> Italian is 'Unni', they are the ones who later came in Europe), and from
> others germanic tribes describes by Tacitus (Ok, that's not historically
> accurate, but I feel it's better like that...).

Italian 'Unni' = English "Huns"  (sorry don't know the Chinese word)

There are really hundreds of horse-barbarian cultures that have come out 
of central asia ... we should all look for details (either historically 
inspired or totally original) to give to these cultures to make them 
unique and not just Ethengar East.

> >         I'll keep this on file too as 
well.... 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>       "Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive"
>       Joe Duncan, Computer Science, Carleton University
>       jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
>       cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Oriental setting

On Fri, 8 Feb 1980, Joe Duncan wrote:

> At 06:01 AM 7/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Jody Duncan wrote:
> >
> >> > The East Skothar location gives two obvious barbarian groups to work with:
> >> > The Jennites (roughly like Mongolians, perhaps a Great Wall keeps them
> out?)
> >> > and the Half-Ogres (I know very little on the subject, but could they be
> >> > made into approximations of the Manchu?)
> >> 
> >>    I think the demi-ogres should be oriental in culture, but I'm not
> >> too knowledgeable about oriental culture. Sounds good though.
> >
> >Hmm... A demi-ogre oriental culture? Brings to mind the Ogre-Magi from 
> >AD&D. Not a bad place to look for ideas if this is what you had in mind. 
> >Perhaps demi-ogres share the place with their full blooded kin- full 
> >blooded and magic powerful kin. 
> 
>         That's pretty much exactly what I had in mind. Sort of an oriental
> culture
> of demi-ogres ruled by Ogre magi... I don't have much more than that right
> now, but 
> I'll work on it. I'm going to dig up the article in Dragon on this demi-ogre
> nation
> and find a location for this nation. What culture should I base this on?
> Feudal Japan?

My two bits' worth says no.  Japan is cool and there's a lot of 
inspirational material there, but everybody does campaign settings based 
on Japan.  Its the most popular and most overused of Asian settings, and 
the Japanese Samurai has become almost as Cliche a character as the 
English knight or paladin.  And (it's just my opinion) Ninjas are old 
hat, overrated, and overused.  The ninja has such a cultural mistique 
that DM's tend to allow the Ninja class abilities out of proportion to 
all other classes, which unbalances games.  Bits and pieces of Japanese 
myth and legend might be useful for creating Sumag and Suma'a, but let's 
not have it be just another Myoshima except with Ogres.

> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>       "Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive"
>       Joe Duncan, Computer Science, Carleton University
>       jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
>       cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 21:44:47 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar

At 08:03 PM 9/7/96 -0700, you wrote:

>It is interesting how hard it is to fit Blackmoor into the "racial 
>history" of Mystara as it has developed in recent supplements.  Blackmoor 
>was a peripheral kingdom of the Thonian empire, which probably rivaled 
>Alphatia in size and power in its day.  The Thonians/Blackmoorians were 
>probably of Neathar/Antalian ancestry and probably have descendants in 
>Thonia now ... I don't think the land would be a very good place for a 
>conquering empire though, I picture it as a blighted land of ancient 
>ruins, deformed children, and unproductive soil, much like the Broken 
>lands; possibly it is just as overrun by goblinoids.  Question:  What 
>about a possible link between the presence of Orcs etc. in these places 
>and the nature of the radiation that poisons them?  Are Orcs immune to 
>radiation?  Did they first develop as a species because of it?  How does 
>this tie in to the Orcish creation myth of Gruumsh One-Eye and the 
>Drawing of the Lots?

        I've always wondered about how diverse the racial and species stocks
of Mystara, and more so with how fast they have diverged given timelines.
I've decided that Blackmoor radiation would be an excellent explanation for
increased rates of mutations.  Hence the hyperfast "evolution" in Mystara.

>> Zyxl:  Since Haldemar says that this island was named after a female 
>> gladiator, let's go with that.  For anyone who wanted an Amazon culture
>> on Mystara, I humbly submit, this is it!  The women of Zyxl are fierce 
>> warriors who occasionally go adventuring in the outside world.  Their
>> men are kept at home to perform domestic chores and for breeding
>> purposes.  Outsiders who intrude on their island are killed or captured
>> and enslaved.
>> 
>
>Since someone already mentioned Japan and Samurais, why not have a 
>combination of the two?  Zyxl could be a hypermilitaristic feudal nation 
>where only women are allowed to bear arms and a rigid code of conduct 
>governs honor and combat.  Perhaps (devious grin) the men of Zyxl could 
>be in revolt ... since they are slaves without weapons, maybe they invent 
>all sorts of new martial arts and weaponry made from agricultural tools 
>... men could have secret societies for the teaching of karate and the 
>making of tonfa and nunchaku even as amazon samurai patrol the 
>countryside in splint mail on horse back and punish the gender rebels ...

        Ingenious resolution of the two arguments!!!  Perfect correlate to
the real-world development of martial arts.

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 00:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mystara] [ADMIN] A VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Mystarans,
    First, I want to let people knwo that certain letters have gone
unanswered due to my absence from both my computer (I was out of town for
a while, on business), and the net (When I got back, I found my computer
had crashed, hardcore.  It took me about a week to get it back up and
working).  There were some things said that I _really_ wanted to respond
to, but since the whole net.book thing has passed, there is no use
dredging it back up.
    Second, I have updated the member registry with all of the latest
entries I have recieved, plus made a few minor adjustments that were
requested.
    And finally, the Important Announcement...  I currently do not have
access to my account at io.com.  This means I can not perform _any_ of the
technical duties I normally would, such as removing problem addresses, or
approving wrongly performed (un)subscribes.
    This means if a person wants off the list, they should follow the
instructions in the FAQ to the letter.  If even this does not work, let me
know, through e-mail at this address.
    The FAQ can be found thorugh the MML home page, at...

    http://www.io.com/mysthome.htm

    At the moment, the list is still going, but I do not know how long
this will last.  It may shut down after a while, or they may shut it down.
    If anyone needs to contact me, please do so through this address (the
.edu address in the sig) for the time being.
    Note that this is a temporary thing.  It is due primarily to a banking
error.  My bank, West One, was bought out by US Bank,  When this was done
everyone got new account numbers, and new numbers for any credit or debit
accounts.  Well, because of an address error, I have yet to recieve my new
debit card.  And with the old number being invalid, my account is now
overdue.
    When I get the new card, and give IO the new account number, this will
all be resolved.
    Thank you for your patience.


   owner-mystara-l@io.com     Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
       "Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  Kodos




------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:29:42 +-200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] CD ROM core rules CD

>What formats is this CD-rom avaliable on. Does it come on Macs. 

I've read a review on an Italian FRP-magazine. They said that it's avaliable only for Win 3.11/Win95.

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it


------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:57:37 +-200
Subject: [Mystara] New cultures (was: Re: Oriental culture)

Matthew Levy wrote:
>There are so many possible combinations that could be derived from the=20
>numerous cultures of east and south east Asia.  But why put them all in =
a=20
>single place?  There could be a M-China north of Tangor bay (perhaps =
the=20
>original home of those who colonized Ochalea); the Minaean pirates to =
the=20
>west could be a combination of Greek and Malay culture (that would be=20
>undoubtedly original!) - remember the Malay were once a powerful=20
>seafaring nation who colonized Madagascar and possibly much of Oceania. =
=20
>Perhaps a culture like Vietnam could be on the southern peninsula of=20
>Skothar; there is already a brief reference to Indian and Filipino=20
>cultures as well as Japanese on Myoshima.  Perhaps Korea is in western=20
>Brun and Burma is somewhere on the coast of Vulcania - the =
possibilities=20
>are endless in a world where the Welsh (Hinterlanders) live in a =
tropical=20
>jungle near the classical Greeks (Milenians) while warring against the=20
>medieval Byzantines (Thyatins) and their German (Hattian) allies, who=20
>live on a little strip of land to the north, just south of the Arabs=20
>(Ylari),who are south of the Egyptians (Nithians) who are south of the=20
>Scandinavians (Soderfjorders, Vestlanders, Ostlanders), who live just=20
>east of Mongolia (Ethengar), which also borders on a composite nation=20
>(Glantri) composed of French, Italians, Germans, Scots, Dutch,=20
>Transylvanians, and a whole slew of others.  There is no such thing as=20
>historical/geographic/cultural faithfulness or purity on Mystara, so=20
>let's not worry about it.  My latest mini-project will probably be the=20
>Giff-Iblis riverboat civilization on the Yalu river west of the savage=20
>coast.  Anyone want to top that for weirdness?

Whoa!!! You've really LOTS of greats ideas (I don't find them weird, =
just really intelligent)! Only one little problem: how develop them? I'd =
like to help, but I'm already working on MChina...

Hey guys, we need PEOPLE! If we want to keep Mystara living, we have to =
keep on writing!

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Sun,  8 Sep 1996 11:21:18, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Shamans

<<<<<<
Which brings up a good question, for those of us who are using AD&D, 
how 
do we deal with the issue of shamans and 
witch-doctors/wiccas/wokani/whateverthefucktsrcallsthemnow?>>>>>>

There is an AD&D supplement called Shamans. You should take a look. 
Hope it helps you out.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

- -Tim                              mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: jamie  kropla <jkropla@eagle.wbm.ca>
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 96 11:19:27 -700
Subject: [none]

Hello Me and my friends use Mystara. I would like to
be part of the mailing list. My email address is jkropla@eagle.wbm.ca
My name is Jordan Kropla.

------------------------------

From: Telrathin@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:19:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Shamans

 <<<<<<
 Which brings up a good question, for those of us who are using AD&D, 
 how 
 do we deal with the issue of shamans and 
 witch-doctors/wiccas/wokani/whateverthefucktsrcallsthemnow?>>>>>>
 
 There is an AD&D supplement called Shamans. You should take a look. 
 Hope it helps you out.
  >>

Probably more appropriate for Mystara would be the Shaman class in Spells &
Magic, which can cast priest spells, and call upon spirits of the dead and
spirits of nature.

Tel

------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 18:10:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids (was: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar)

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:

>         I've always wondered about how diverse the racial and species stocks
> of Mystara, and more so with how fast they have diverged given timelines.
> I've decided that Blackmoor radiation would be an excellent explanation for
> increased rates of mutations.  Hence the hyperfast "evolution" in Mystara.

Hear, hear! I heartily agree. In fact, IMC's, I've done away with the 
whole "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" and made them 
genetic mutants (who may or may not be the pet project of Hel). 
Eventually, their genetic structures settled down and they bred true, 
leading to the 'noids of today. 

Just my 2 cents...



------------------------------

From: Guido Castelletti <gcastel@insinet.it>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 04:24:23 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] rules

> 
> Hi,
>   I'm Claudio Castelletti, an italian role player, I like and play AD&D
> in the Mystara setting, I played even the original D&D, so I would want
> to do a question regarding the conversion of old D&D material into AD&D.
> - I'd like to play the PC races in the creature crucible series, which
> are the rule to convert them (level limit, AD&D classes for these races,
> height, weight, age, ecc.)
> thank you very much
> Claudio

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 96 21:28:18 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids (was: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar)

At 06:10 PM 9/8/96 -0700, Cthuludrew wrote:

>IMC's, I've done away with the 
>whole "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" and made them 
>genetic mutants (who may or may not be the pet project of Hel). 
>Eventually, their genetic structures settled down and they bred true, 
>leading to the 'noids of today. 

        Just to rant, I really HATED that whole reincarnated souls bit.  It
denies the possibility that humanoids are just nasty, crude, and chaotic,
but not necessarily evil in the sense that true villains are.  I prefer to
think that humanoids, "if raised by gooooood parents," might be able
function in demi/human societies (e.g. orcs in Alfheim Town, that gladiator
leader in Arean of Thyatis) as decent individuals.  The idea of them all
being reincarnated baddies, IMHO, oversimplifies and detracts from the moral
ambiguities that make roleplaying lotsa fun.  Isn't it a lot easier to
justify killing 'noids, even baby ones, if they are all reincarnated wicked
types?  If they're just a different kind of critter with instinctual and
cultural tendencies towards bad (even evil) behavior, isn't it a lot harder
to engage it genocide against them?

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:01:45 +-200
Subject: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

Hi everybody.
I've heard something about the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix. Does it exist? How big is it?

Thanks

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it


------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:01:02 +-200
Subject: [Mystara] corrections

Hello

This morning I was re-reading what I replied yesterday to Matthew Levy, =
and I found a sentence that could be misunderstood.
I wrote:
Hey guys, we need PEOPLE! If we want to keep Mystara living, we have to =
keep on writing!

When I wrote _we need people_ I was calling the Mystara Mailing List =
users to help developing new ideas. When I wrote _we have to keep on =
writing_ I wanted to say that we have to write everything we imagine =
(doesn't matter what) about Mystara in order to keep this setting alive.

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #203
*****************************


From ???@??? Tue Sep 10 12:37:39 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id KAA11094; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:44:29 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA23861 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:02:23 -0500
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:02:23 -0500
Message-Id: <199609100002.TAA23861@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #204
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 0bb90afffe0d6ba68125e57630d82f07


mystara-digest            Monday, 9 September 1996      Volume 01 : Number 204


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Mon,  9 Sep 1996 08:33:23, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

>IMC's, I've done away with the 
>whole "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" and made 
them 
>genetic mutants (who may or may not be the pet project of Hel). 
>Eventually, their genetic structures settled down and they bred true,
 
>leading to the 'noids of today. 

I completely agree with this. I see humanoids mostly as creatures 
that are typically less sophisticated, and more barbaric in most of 
thier customs and lifestyles.  Many of these 'noids are probably evil 
due to knowing that they are looked down upon by the other races and 
made fun of, which in time leads to fighting (since they can't match 
their wits). The fighting just makes the 'noids appear more evil.
However, these are just the typically 'noids. IMC's, in an island off 
the west coast of Davania, there is a large community of a higher 
intelligence level then their cousins of the Known World.  They 
aren't genius's , but still have the mental state of humans.
I think to say that these 'noids are mutations instead of Hel spawns, 
makes it more believeable and easier to understand.

_________________________________________
- -Tim                              mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: CRlPTONITE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:08:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

In a message dated 96-09-09 08:40:43 EDT, you write:

<< Hi everybody.
 I've heard something about the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix. Does
it exist? How big is it?
 
 Thanks
 
 Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it >>

Yes it does exist
it has almost 130 pages
with over 150 creatures
including the famous blackball, elementals, fundamentals and magens
it contains many creatures unique to mystara which is nice


Rich
CRlPTONITE@aol.com

"We pervert everything that's clean and wholesome."
- ------Howard Stern

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 06:27:08 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

At 01:01 PM 9/9/96 +-200, Gabriele Ferri wrote:

>When I wrote _we need people_ I was calling the Mystara Mailing List users
to help developing new ideas. When I wrote _we have to keep on writing_ I
wanted to say that we have to write everything we imagine (doesn't matter
what) about Mystara in order to keep this setting alive.

        Was perfectly clear to me. :)  I can't imagine what else it could
have meant (?).

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Jody Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 11:52:12 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] rules

Guido Castelletti writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> >   I'm Claudio Castelletti, an italian role player, I like and play AD&D
> > in the Mystara setting, I played even the original D&D, so I would want
> > to do a question regarding the conversion of old D&D material into AD&D.
> > - I'd like to play the PC races in the creature crucible series, which
> > are the rule to convert them (level limit, AD&D classes for these races,
> > height, weight, age, ecc.)
> > thank you very much
> > Claudio

        There are rules for creating PC's of monster races in the DMG I
think, near the front, I don't have the books with me right now, but it
shoudln't be too hard to look up....





- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive!"
Carleton U.
Computer Science, Software
Email addresses: jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
                 cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
                               
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Jody Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 11:49:26 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

Gabriele Ferri writes:
> 
> Hey guys, we need PEOPLE! If we want to keep Mystara living, we have to =
> keep on writing!
> 
> When I wrote _we need people_ I was calling the Mystara Mailing List =
> users to help developing new ideas. When I wrote _we have to keep on =

        Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive!"
Carleton U.
Computer Science, Software
Email addresses: jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
                 cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
                               
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:45:10 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] CD ROM core rules CD

At 11:29 8-09-96 +-200, you wrote:
>>What formats is this CD-rom avaliable on. Does it come on Macs. 
>
>I've read a review on an Italian FRP-magazine. They said that it's
avaliable only for Win 3.11/Win95.
>
>Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
>
>
I've used the demo version. It's windows (3.x , 95) only.

It's quite nice, tho, a lot of usefull features, and most books are on it too.



------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:26:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] rules

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Guido Castelletti wrote:

> > 
> > Hi,
> >   I'm Claudio Castelletti, an italian role player, I like and play AD&D
> > in the Mystara setting, I played even the original D&D, so I would want
> > to do a question regarding the conversion of old D&D material into AD&D.
> > - I'd like to play the PC races in the creature crucible series, which
> > are the rule to convert them (level limit, AD&D classes for these races,
> > height, weight, age, ecc.)
> > thank you very much
> > Claudio
> 
For the more powerful creature crucible races (sphinx, pooka, kopru,
etc.) I've found that the best method is to put the level limit a few
levels beyond where the creature stops getting new abilities. The limit is
for one class only, only this race can be that class, and this race can
only be that class.  So a Sphinx can only be of the Sphinx Class and no
other race can ever be a Sphinx.  For Saves use those listed, for hit
rolls use something appropriate, Sphixes should probably be Fighters,
Pookas maybe Thief.  Height, weight, age, etc. are relatively easy, use
the original stats and add a die roll.  So a 10' long creature would be:
55" + d10 (or more if you want more diverse species).

For the less powerful ones (Sky Gnome, Satyr, Aquatic Elf) just pick
classes that you feel are appropriate and then give limits based on how
powerful the races abilities are.  Then do height and weight etc. the same
way as before.


------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:44:55 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Barbarians for the Oriental setting

At 20:34 7-09-96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Shelby Michlin wrote:
>
>> -- [ From: Shelby Michlin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>> 
>> -------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
>> > From: Gabriele Ferri           \ Internet:    (fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
>> )
>> > To:   Post to Mystara-L        \ Internet:    (mystara-l@io.com)
>> 
>> > For half-ogre and others humanoid barbarians, I'm going to get many ideas
>> from
>> > a tribe who really treatened China (I don't know their English name, in
>> Italian
>> > is 'Unni', they are the ones who later came in Europe),
>> 
>> > P.S. Should barbarians have any magic-user?
>> -------- REPLY, End of original message --------
>> 
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> Perhaps 'Unni' is 'Hun?'
>> 
>> As far as barbarians, I would recommend shamans and witch-doctors, rather
>> than full magic-users.
>> 
>> Shelby Michlin
>> 
>
>Which brings up a good question, for those of us who are using AD&D, how 
>do we deal with the issue of shamans and 
>witch-doctors/wiccas/wokani/whateverthefucktsrcallsthemnow?

I use the Shaman from Spells & Magic. It got a nice description. I will let
them use a focus for their magic. (Like a staff, or a necklace)

>The artificial division between "civilized" mages and "primitive" 
>witch-doctors seem really hokey to me; then again the idea of memorizing 
>spells from books is pretty crucial to the mage character and doesn't 
>exist in preliterate cultures.  What there needs to be is a good general 
>theory of magic use which can accommodate ANY culture a DM wants to add, 
>instead of lumping them into western molds.  The AD&D PLayer's Option 
>Spells & Magic book has some good suggestion for variant magic systems, 
>but I haven't yet really perused or playtested them to check for flaws.  
>Anybody?
>
>m@2

I tried several, you have to adapt them at several points, but they do work.
If a player really plays his character well, some might be VERY interesting.

Bas


------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:00:39 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Swordmaking

I forgot who was writing about that sword writing, but I think that in
Karameikos Silver weapons are quite command. (The problem with undead and
Lychantrophes)

------------------------------

From: Deathwatch <deathw@dds.nl>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:01:59 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

At 11:49 9-09-96 EDT, you wrote:
>Gabriele Ferri writes:
>> 
>> Hey guys, we need PEOPLE! If we want to keep Mystara living, we have to =
>> keep on writing!
>> 
>> When I wrote _we need people_ I was calling the Mystara Mailing List =
>> users to help developing new ideas. When I wrote _we have to keep on =
>
>       Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
>we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
>thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
>soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
>anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
>I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
>MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!

Sure, add me.



------------------------------

From: DragonMast@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:34:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

In a message dated 96-09-09 08:40:43 EDT, you write:

<< 
 I've heard something about the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix. Does
it exist? How big is it?
  >>
It does indeed exist.  It is about the size of the Monstrous Compendium
Annuals that come out (100 pages or so) and is a softcover.  The artwork is
excellent and it incorporates all the monsters in the old OD&D modules and
converts them to AD&D ver. 2.

Wayne

------------------------------

From: Leblanc <pleblanc@lanzen.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 16:16:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

Jody Duncan wrote:
>         Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
> anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!

Hello Jody, Im a good writer, andd would love to help you , count me in
the team. I wanted to join sooner on the Morient project but I was
working on a project of my own.

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids (was: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar)

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:

> At 06:10 PM 9/8/96 -0700, Cthuludrew wrote:
> 
> >IMC's, I've done away with the 
> >whole "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" and made them 
> >genetic mutants (who may or may not be the pet project of Hel). 
> >Eventually, their genetic structures settled down and they bred true, 
> >leading to the 'noids of today. 
> 
>         Just to rant, I really HATED that whole reincarnated souls bit.  It
> denies the possibility that humanoids are just nasty, crude, and chaotic,
> but not necessarily evil in the sense that true villains are.  I prefer to
> think that humanoids, "if raised by gooooood parents," might be able
> function in demi/human societies (e.g. orcs in Alfheim Town, that gladiator
> leader in Arean of Thyatis) as decent individuals.  The idea of them all
> being reincarnated baddies, IMHO, oversimplifies and detracts from the moral
> ambiguities that make roleplaying lotsa fun.  Isn't it a lot easier to
> justify killing 'noids, even baby ones, if they are all reincarnated wicked
> types?  If they're just a different kind of critter with instinctual and
> cultural tendencies towards bad (even evil) behavior, isn't it a lot harder
> to engage it genocide against them?
> 
> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
> ~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
> ~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
> ~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
> \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
> 
> 

Good point.  One of the big problems with Mystara (iMho) all along has 
been its LACK of moral ambiguities or really any ambiguities at all.  
This reminds me of my altercation with 'Brizio a few months back about 
ranks and levels in the Thyatin army.  It seems one of the problems with 
the way the supplements for Mystara have been done is that in many cases 
the designers seem to have forgotten that characters in a fantasy world 
would not necessarily KNOW things like the "level", the "alignment", etc. 
of another person just by looking at them.  If one takes the level titles 
and alignment languages rules too seriously, you get a world where 
everyone knows exactly what everyone else's abilities, status, and 
motives are, making it thoroughly implausible as a society and really not 
much fun to play.  ON THE OTHER HAND, there have often been those in the 
history of the real world who have BELIEVED that it was possible to gauge 
someone's worth by looking at them, that certain races were genetically 
predisposed to certain kinds of culture or behavior, that morality is 
always perfectly clear, etc.  I happen not to agree with those people, 
but that doens't mean that types like them shouldn't also exist in 
Mystara.  Perhaps the story about goblinoids having unclean souls or the 
bit about higher ranking officers always deserving their position are 
just myths that many people in Mystara believe, the first spread by 
humans as an excuse to wage total war on the humanoid races, the second a 
lie told by thyatin nobles to justify their own continued hold over the 
officer corps.  Both of those would be entirely plausible based on real 
world examples.  maybe even there would be scientific debates between 
"liberal" mages who believed that culture was the foremost influence on 
humanoid development and "conservative" sages who proposed something like 
Nazi eugenic theory (and who persecuted Half-Orcs acordingly, etc.)  

All these are just my thoughts on the matter, but it's good to have 
this forum to discuss them in.  Since TSR has cast Mystara adrift in the 
Void, it seems that the only "canon" against which new details can be 
judged is the consensus of Dm's on this mailing list.  Anybody out there 
want to make a counterargument in favor of the reincarnation story?  

m@2

------------------------------

From: Joe Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 16:41:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mages

>One question:  Why the great concern with having a purely "oriental" 
>setting anyway?  Everything in Mystara is tweaked, rearranged, and 
>smeared together.  Pick and choose the things you like from Asian 
>cultures and throw them into the mix in a country where they seem to fit 
>... then add your own details to flesh out the interaction.

        The whole idea behind the MOrient project is not to add more to the 
Known World, but rather to create an second "Known World" based on eastern,
rather than western, culture. With the exception of Ethengar ( the token 
oriental kingdom in the KW ) the KW is almost solely based on western 
culture. We want to take the same kind of idea as the KW, a whole bunch of 
different kingdoms & cultures in one area, but have as a base eastern 
culture. The range of cultures that fall under the term "eastern" is quite
a lot, so the MOrient is going to have quite a bit of variety. Skothar was 
picked as a place to develop this as it's the only really large area on 
Mystara that has virtually nothing written about it. It was begging for 
some development. 

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

        "Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive"
        Joe Duncan, Computer Science, Carleton University
        jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
        cq793@freenet.carleton.ca

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------


------------------------------

From: DragonMast@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:47:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] CD ROM core rules CD

In a message dated 96-09-07 10:12:49 EDT, you write:

<< 
 The copy I have is only compatible with IBMs (Windows 3.11 and 
 Windows 95).  I'm not sure if it is availible on Macs or not.  It 
 should be though.  I picked up my copy in a computer store at a local 
 mall.  It just recently came out, so it probably isn't widely 
 availible just yet.  
  >>

I am afraid that is it NOT available for Macs.  They said that if there was
enough interest then they would consider it but they went further on their
site on AOL to say that 'enough interest' meant thousands of requests, not
hundreds.

Wayne

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] New cultures (was: Re: Oriental culture)

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Gabriele Ferri wrote:

> Matthew Levy wrote:
> >There are so many possible combinations that could be derived from the 
> >numerous cultures of east and south east Asia.  But why put them all in a 
> >single place?  There could be a M-China north of Tangor bay (perhaps the 
> >original home of those who colonized Ochalea); the Minaean pirates to the 
> >west could be a combination of Greek and Malay culture (that would be 
> >undoubtedly original!) - remember the Malay were once a powerful 
> >seafaring nation who colonized Madagascar and possibly much of Oceania.  
> >Perhaps a culture like Vietnam could be on the southern peninsula of 
> >Skothar; there is already a brief reference to Indian and Filipino 
> >cultures as well as Japanese on Myoshima.  Perhaps Korea is in western 
> >Brun and Burma is somewhere on the coast of Vulcania - the possibilities 
> >are endless in a world where the Welsh (Hinterlanders) live in a tropical 
> >jungle near the classical Greeks (Milenians) while warring against the 
> >medieval Byzantines (Thyatins) and their German (Hattian) allies, who 
> >live on a little strip of land to the north, just south of the Arabs 
> >(Ylari),who are south of the Egyptians (Nithians) who are south of the 
> >Scandinavians (Soderfjorders, Vestlanders, Ostlanders), who live just 
> >east of Mongolia (Ethengar), which also borders on a composite nation 
> >(Glantri) composed of French, Italians, Germans, Scots, Dutch, 
> >Transylvanians, and a whole slew of others.  There is no such thing as 
> >historical/geographic/cultural faithfulness or purity on Mystara, so 
> >let's not worry about it.  My latest mini-project will probably be the 
> >Giff-Iblis riverboat civilization on the Yalu river west of the savage 
> >coast.  Anyone want to top that for weirdness?
> 
> Whoa!!! You've really LOTS of greats ideas (I don't find them weird, just really intelligent)! Only one little problem: how develop them? I'd like to help, but I'm already working on MChina...
> 
> Hey guys, we need PEOPLE! If we want to keep Mystara living, we have to keep on writing!
> 
> Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
> 

Thanks for your enthusiasm  ... I won't be spending *too* much time on 
Mystara at least for the next couple of weeks, but after that maybe I'll 
send on down the Yalu river thing ... Also I was going to work out 
psionics rules for Kopru but never got around to it.  If you or anybody 
else wants to borrow the ideas above and work on them, feel free.  Of 
course that doesn't mean I won't provide constructive criticism.  :)
Let the good times roll,
m@2

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] rules

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, StarHawk wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Guido Castelletti wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > >   I'm Claudio Castelletti, an italian role player, I like and play AD&D
> > > in the Mystara setting, I played even the original D&D, so I would want
> > > to do a question regarding the conversion of old D&D material into AD&D.
> > > - I'd like to play the PC races in the creature crucible series, which
> > > are the rule to convert them (level limit, AD&D classes for these races,
> > > height, weight, age, ecc.)
> > > thank you very much
> > > Claudio
> > 
> For the more powerful creature crucible races (sphinx, pooka, kopru,
> etc.) I've found that the best method is to put the level limit a few
> levels beyond where the creature stops getting new abilities. The limit is
> for one class only, only this race can be that class, and this race can
> only be that class.  So a Sphinx can only be of the Sphinx Class and no
> other race can ever be a Sphinx.  For Saves use those listed, for hit
> rolls use something appropriate, Sphixes should probably be Fighters,
> Pookas maybe Thief.  Height, weight, age, etc. are relatively easy, use
> the original stats and add a die roll.  So a 10' long creature would be:
> 55" + d10 (or more if you want more diverse species).
> 
> For the less powerful ones (Sky Gnome, Satyr, Aquatic Elf) just pick
> classes that you feel are appropriate and then give limits based on how
> powerful the races abilities are.  Then do height and weight etc. the same
> way as before.
> 
> 


That's one way of going about it.  Another option (for those like me who 
prefer to have fewer character classes and more options within them) is 
to do as suggested above for the less powerful races - treat them as any 
AD&D race with appropriate limits and class access - but rather than 
creating character classes specifically for monster PC's, just keep them 
as monsters and let PC's play them with their monstrous manual stats.  
I.e. it is too difficult to figure out the stats of a kopru or a dragon 
on a human scale; players should be allowed to play any intelligent race 
but that doesn't mean these races should be artificially fitted to a 
human-based experience scale.  Allow monster PC's within the normal range 
of variability for that race in size, hit dice, etc, and only in parties 
where the monster's power is commensurate with human and demi-human 
PC's.  But don't try to make 1st level sphinxes.  I just don't feel it 
works well.  This probably also applies with regard to races that already 
are allowed as PC's such as Centaurs, Minotaurs, Ogres, and Thri-Kreen 
(my apologies to any Athasians listening).

jut another two cents in the suggestion box,
m@2
  

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #204
*****************************




mystara-digest          Wednesday, 11 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 205


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Telrathin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:42:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Barbarians for the Oriental setting

Someone wrote (I'm not sure who:)

<< What there needs to be is a good general 
 >theory of magic use which can accommodate ANY culture a DM wants to add, 
 >instead of lumping them into western molds.  The AD&D PLayer's Option 
 >Spells & Magic book has some good suggestion for variant magic systems, 
 >but I haven't yet really perused or playtested them to check for flaws.  
 >Anybody? >>

Have you checked out the 'path' magic system detailed in Dragon #214?  It
looks like an excellent system for pre-literate cultures.  Has anyone tried
using this system?  I'm thinking of incorporating it into my campaign  and I
was wondering how it works.

Tel
(Telrathin@aol.com/Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu)

------------------------------

From: Daniel Boese <dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 19:09:07 -0400 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids (was: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar)

> > >IMC's, I've done away with the 
> > >whole "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" and made them 
> > >genetic mutants (who may or may not be the pet project of Hel). 
> > >Eventually, their genetic structures settled down and they bred true, 
> > >leading to the 'noids of today. 

> >         Just to rant, I really HATED that whole reincarnated souls bit.  It
> > denies the possibility that humanoids are just nasty, crude, and chaotic,
> > but not necessarily evil in the sense that true villains are.

> Anybody out there 
> want to make a counterargument in favor of the reincarnation story?  

 Actually, I believe that in the Hollow World boxed set, it states that
although originally the humanoids were created from evil reincarnated
souls, when their forms stabilized into the current species, they somehow
were no longer reincarnated souls, and were just ordinary humanoid things.
 Of course, I think I like the radiation mutant theory, too.. perhaps as
time passed and the radiation faded, the magic that Hel used to keep
reincarnating everybody got prohibitively expensive, and she gave up on
it?

- --
Daniel Boese                                   dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 DragonMast@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-09-09 08:40:43 EDT, you write:
> 
> << 
>  I've heard something about the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix. Does
> it exist? How big is it?
>   >>
> It does indeed exist.  It is about the size of the Monstrous Compendium
> Annuals that come out (100 pages or so) and is a softcover.  The artwork is
> excellent and it incorporates all the monsters in the old OD&D modules and
> converts them to AD&D ver. 2.
> 
> Wayne
> 


Correction: It includes *most* of the monsters from the old modules.  
There are some glaring omissions, so you may still have to convert some 
monsters the old-fashioned way ... on the other hand, it does include 
several entirely new mosnters (some of which unfortunately are bland 
variants on existing monster types).  It also revamps the old "imps" of 
Glantri into a new class of creatures known simply as "familiars" - some 
of the things they did with alignment in the AD&D write ups are 
interesting tho.  And best of all they kept Thouls, one of the oldest truly 
distinctive Mystaran monsters.  As for the artwork, well to each his own 
.. . it's certainly much better than the Glantri boxed set, but that's 
like saying cheeze whiz tastes better than dog shit ...
 
m@2

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 16:29:31 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids (was: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar)

At 01:16 PM 9/9/96 -0700, Matt wrote:
>One of the big problems with Mystara (iMho) all along has 
>been its LACK of moral ambiguities or really any ambiguities at all.  

        I don't know that I'd agree with this assessment.  One of the big
differences between Mystara and many other settings that I like is the moral
ambiguity surrounding Shadowelves (as opposed to Drow).  As far as the
military ranking is concerned, I don't see that as a particularly Mystara
thing.  It's the same way in other settings, I think.  As a matter of fact,
there is at least one violation of that level=nobility rule I can think of,
namely the king of Oceansend, who is 0-level but so respected and wise a
leader that he is supported by the populace.  In a world with heroes, it
makes sense that they will tend to advance because of their power, but I
think Mystara acknowledges that non-heroes can advance because they will
gain support from sympathetic heroes, who can protect them from other heroes.

Just my .02 kopecs,

 
/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:14:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mages

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Joe Duncan wrote:

> 
> >One question:  Why the great concern with having a purely "oriental" 
> >setting anyway?  Everything in Mystara is tweaked, rearranged, and 
> >smeared together.  Pick and choose the things you like from Asian 
> >cultures and throw them into the mix in a country where they seem to fit 
> >... then add your own details to flesh out the interaction.
> 
>         The whole idea behind the MOrient project is not to add more to the 
> Known World, but rather to create an second "Known World" based on eastern,
> rather than western, culture. With the exception of Ethengar ( the token 
> oriental kingdom in the KW ) the KW is almost solely based on western 
> culture. We want to take the same kind of idea as the KW, a whole bunch of 
> different kingdoms & cultures in one area, but have as a base eastern 
> culture. The range of cultures that fall under the term "eastern" is quite
> a lot, so the MOrient is going to have quite a bit of variety. Skothar was 
> picked as a place to develop this as it's the only really large area on 
> Mystara that has virtually nothing written about it. It was begging for 
> some development. 
> 


That's great.  I agree with you on all points, essentially, except that I 
am skeptical of the idea of a clear "division" between the KW and the 
"MOrient".  First of all, Ethengar is the only *Oriental* exception, but 
the KW also contains the Atruaghin Clans (Native American), the Ylari 
(Middle Eastern), Sind (Indian), and the Makai (Polynesians?) as well as 
(arguably) the Ochaleans (Chinese) and the Nuari (Melanesians?).  Secondly, 
while I know there are those who feel that Mystara has relatively little 
intercontinental contact, IMC and many others it is essentially a global 
network ... Alphatian culture has had a huge influence on the KW and vice 
versa and both areas have all kinds of overlap with strikingly 
non-western chunks of the world (including the Savage Coast, which is 
just plain indefinably strange).  So all I am trying to say here is that 
we shouldn't put up a big fence and stick MEastAsia inside of it, removed 
from all non-Asian cultures.  We should feel free to have a group of 
countries based on China, Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia, Burma, Taiwan, ... 
and Latvia.  And Zimbabwe.  And Belgium.  Why not?  This is Mystara after 
all. If it all made logical sense it wouldn't be nearly so much fun.

That being said, I agree that Mystara (at least in what as been written 
about it so far) tends to have a disproportionately Western bias, as do 
many roleplaying worlds.  But let's fix that not by setting up a 
China-and-Japan bias instead, but by really throwing in everything under 
the sun.  The Suma'a demi-ogres sound like they have great potential, as 
well as the Minaeans.  I wasn't kidding about the Amazon Samurai of Zyxl, 
either ...  Something else I'd like to see is more stuff based on South 
and Central American cultures.  The Azcans and Oltecs in the Hollow World 
are cool, but they should have some descendants on the outer world 
somewhere ... my vote is western and central davania or maybe the Arm of 
God (Immortals' Arm, sorry) or even Skothar.  What if there were a 
China-like culture in direct conflict or maybe trade with an Inca-like 
culture?  It's the juxtapositions that really make Mystara cool.


m@2

------------------------------

From: Jason MURPHY <st952a19@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:26:55 +0800 (WST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Deathwatch wrote:

> At 11:49 9-09-96 EDT, you wrote:
> >Gabriele Ferri writes:
> >> 
> >> Hey guys, we need PEOPLE! If we want to keep Mystara living, we have to =
> >> keep on writing!
> >> 
> >> When I wrote _we need people_ I was calling the Mystara Mailing List =
> >> users to help developing new ideas. When I wrote _we have to keep on =
> >
> >     Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> >we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> >thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> >soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
> >anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> >I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> >MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!
> 
> Sure, add me.
> 
> 
And me.


------------------------------

From: Dave Brohman <dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 96 21:28:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

Gabriele Ferri writes:
> 
> Hi everybody.
> I've heard something about the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix. 
> Does it exist? How big is it?

Yes, it exists.  It is about 128 pages or so I believe.  I don't have it
on hand right now so I can't say for sure.

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Dave Brohman                      E-Mail : dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca
  Carleton University               

  Featuring Alexi Sayle as the Balowski Family.
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: DragonMast@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:07:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

In a message dated 96-09-09 21:09:49 EDT, you write:

<< Correction: It includes *most* of the monsters from the old modules.  
 There are some glaring omissions, so you may still have to convert some 
 monsters the old-fashioned way ...  >>

Sorry about that... I don't have all the original modules yet (still
collecting) but the one's that I do have seem to be covered in the new
material.  As for the artwork, well, I knew it would be a subjective comment
... guess I should have left it out.

Later,

Wayne

------------------------------

From: Peter Balazs <a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:27:11 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

>> Hi everybody.
>> I've heard something about the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix.=20
>> Does it exist? How big is it?
>
>Yes, it exists.  It is about 128 pages or so I believe.  I don't have it
>on hand right now so I can't say for sure.

Okay, I have it on hand! It=B4s exactly 128 pages without cover. Many of the
monsters presented therein were first published in the "D&D Creature
Catalogue". Of course all creatures have been converted to AD&D. The
illustrations are in colour, and I like them. On a scale from 1 to 6, where
one is best, it would get a 2- from me!

***************************************************************************
                                Peter Balazs
                          (a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at)
                     http://radon.mat.univie.ac.at/~pbalazs
***************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:48:29, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] World Knowledge

<<<<<IMC and many others it is essentially a global 
network ... Alphatian culture has had a huge influence on the KW and 
vice 
versa and both areas have all kinds of overlap with strikingly 
non-western chunks of the world>>>>>

That's interesting. IMC's, lots of countries are trying to find out 
about the rest of the world. Some countries in the Known world have 
sent of great numbers of people to try and start civilizations on 
unknown and uncharted lands. Most are doing this out of the search 
for new ores and materials more than general curiosity though. 
I have much of Western Davania mapped out, and IMC it seems like the 
PCs are about to travel to the Known World and see what lies up in 
Brun. It should be pretty interesting.

_______________________________________________
- -Tim                             mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:15:36 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

I've just seen that someone uploaded the Coat of Arms of the Savage Coast
(probably scanned from Dragon Magazine #???) in the MPGN site.
Do you know if something similar is available for the KW ?
I think that Glantri has an hourglass on his Coat of Arms, and Minrothad has
a scale... 
Can someone put together a complete list ?  

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 DragonMast@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-09-09 21:09:49 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Correction: It includes *most* of the monsters from the old modules.  
>  There are some glaring omissions, so you may still have to convert some 
>  monsters the old-fashioned way ...  >>
> 
> Sorry about that... I don't have all the original modules yet (still
> collecting) but the one's that I do have seem to be covered in the new
> material.  As for the artwork, well, I knew it would be a subjective comment
> ... guess I should have left it out.
> 
> Later,
> 
> Wayne
> 

No, no, excuse me; you have a right to subjectively enjoy the artwork as 
much as I have a right to slam on it.  I was just mouthing off don't mind 
me I'm not out to make enemies.

m@2

------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@snfma1.if.usp.br>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:23:26 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Jody Duncan wrote:

>       Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
> anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!

I would like to join it. Please send me all the material. I will not be
able to work on it for the next two weeks, though.

Andre Martins



------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:53:08 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Re: 

At 22.17 05/09/96, you wrote:

>To those who are compiling a list of cities known for their excellence in 
>maufacturing swords etc, have you looked at the Darokin Gazeteer and the 
>Minrothad Gazateer which both list imports and exports from land and sea 
>routes respectively?  I would suspect that a city revered for a given 
>commodity would likely have it on a list of exports though that may not be 
>true in every case.

Actually those lists were what prompted me to compile a new list, my idea is
to compile a longer list covering almost all mapped towns and villages in
the KW (and beyond...)
 

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:43:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Barbarians for the Oriental setting

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 Telrathin@aol.com wrote:

> Someone wrote (I'm not sure who:)
> 
> << What there needs to be is a good general 
>  >theory of magic use which can accommodate ANY culture a DM wants to add, 
>  >instead of lumping them into western molds.  The AD&D PLayer's Option 
>  >Spells & Magic book has some good suggestion for variant magic systems, 
>  >but I haven't yet really perused or playtested them to check for flaws.  
>  >Anybody? >>
> 
> Have you checked out the 'path' magic system detailed in Dragon #214?  It
> looks like an excellent system for pre-literate cultures.  Has anyone tried
> using this system?  I'm thinking of incorporating it into my campaign  and I
> was wondering how it works.
> 
> Tel
> (Telrathin@aol.com/Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu)
> 

No I haven't checked that one out; thanks for the tip.  I will see if I 
can find a copy of #214 and I should be picking up my own copy of Spells 
and Magic soon; I may look to see what works for a Mystaran context and 
perhaps post my thoughts here, if anyone is interested. 

m@2

------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:05:29 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

At 18.10 08/09/96 -0700, you wrote:
>On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:
>
>>         I've always wondered about how diverse the racial and species stocks
>> of Mystara, and more so with how fast they have diverged given timelines.
>> I've decided that Blackmoor radiation would be an excellent explanation for
>> increased rates of mutations.  Hence the hyperfast "evolution" in Mystara.
>
>Hear, hear! I heartily agree. In fact, IMC's, I've done away with the 
>whole "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" and made them 
>genetic mutants (who may or may not be the pet project of Hel). 
>Eventually, their genetic structures settled down and they bred true, 
>leading to the 'noids of today. 

Where can I find this "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" thing ?
I remember reading something like that, but don't remember where :-)
Was it the HW boxed set or the Broken Lands Gaz ?
Please help me before I start reading all my Mystara library... :-)

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Paths of Power Magic...

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 Telrathin@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Have you checked out the 'path' magic system detailed in Dragon #214?  It
> looks like an excellent system for pre-literate cultures.  Has anyone tried
> using this system?  I'm thinking of incorporating it into my campaign  and I
> was wondering how it works.

    The magic system I use in my campaigns is a combination of the Paths
of Power from Dragon and the spell point system from Spells and Magic.  It
was play tested in a short Spelljammer campaign I ran recently, and it
worked very well at the lower levels.
    For me, next to character creation, the magic system is the worst
part of xD&D.  After over a decade of tinkering, this system has finally
satisfied me.


                          Leroy Van Camp III
          owner-mystara-l@io.com         van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 MST3K




------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:26:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Just A Test...

               Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 "Your world is dying, a shell of existence whose time has come to an end.
           I am here to show you rebirth, an evolution of being.
          The fact that millions shall die is of no consequence"
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Tiamat, _Darkglory_

               Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
               "Cthulhu, eh?  I'll try and backstab him"
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


               Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 "What do I know what do I know? (I), never look back never look back (no).
   Stick it in me stick it in me (I), what do I see what do I see? (now)"
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      (A Higher Form of) Killing


               Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
      "Another slave and a victim of fate, another lesson in hate."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Burning Inside


                          Leroy Van Camp III
          owner-mystara-l@io.com         van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 MST3K

                              
 van891@uidaho.edu         Leroy Van Camp III        owner-mystara-l@io.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                "Whatever I do, you mustn't try and stop me.  
      My cries of success or screams of pain may well be inseparable."
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Callandra Gaera'Dhan, _Tiamat_



   owner-mystara-l@io.com     Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
       "Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  Kodos






------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #205
*****************************


From ???@??? Thu Sep 12 17:29:16 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id OAA07469; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:30:01 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12141 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:54:55 -0500
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:54:55 -0500
Message-Id: <199609120354.WAA12141@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #206
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 8527d16c397fa3671684fea05425031d


mystara-digest          Wednesday, 11 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 206


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids (was: [Mystara] Other nations of Skothar)

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:

> At 01:16 PM 9/9/96 -0700, Matt wrote:
> >One of the big problems with Mystara (iMho) all along has 
> >been its LACK of moral ambiguities or really any ambiguities at all.  
> 
>         I don't know that I'd agree with this assessment.  One of the big
> differences between Mystara and many other settings that I like is the moral
> ambiguity surrounding Shadowelves (as opposed to Drow).  As far as the
> military ranking is concerned, I don't see that as a particularly Mystara
> thing.  It's the same way in other settings, I think.  As a matter of fact,
> there is at least one violation of that level=nobility rule I can think of,
> namely the king of Oceansend, who is 0-level but so respected and wise a
> leader that he is supported by the populace.  In a world with heroes, it
> makes sense that they will tend to advance because of their power, but I
> think Mystara acknowledges that non-heroes can advance because they will
> gain support from sympathetic heroes, who can protect them from other heroes.
> 
> Just my .02 kopecs,

Points well taken.  I overstated my original argument a bit, I suppose.  
You are right about the Shadow Elves as opposed to Drow - Greyhawk is of 
course one of the *worst* campaign worlds regarding black-and-white 
morality; I think this reflects a view of roleplaying held by Gygax and 
a few others which has faded as the hobby has expanded.  I wasn't aware 
of the example of the King of Oceansend; but this is definitely the kind 
of thing I was saying there should be more of.  At a very basic level, it 
just doesn't stand to reason that personal combat skill should transfer 
into political power.  Especially in light of much classic heroic 
fantasy, in which the hero is often possessed of enormous strength and 
skill but modest status and social importance.  Achilles, Hercules, and 
Odysseus were all relatively important nobles, but Agamemnon (a much 
weaker fighter by all evidence) was the king.  One of the favorite PC's I 
have ever DM'ed is an enormously lethal high level ranger who can take 
down just about any opponent short of a tarrasque in hand to hand combat 
but has absolutely no political power at all (as befits a ranger) and 
very few social skills.  He regularly wrestles pit fiends into submission 
and actually once fought his way out of Ravenloft, but he is nigh 
incompetent in any situation that requires organization, coordination of 
large groups of people, or anything but the simplest of negotiations.  He 
is often forced to retreat by very weak monsters in large numbers because 
he has no allies to defend his flanks or cover his movements. This is how 
a great hero should be - he should be able to perhaps win the gratitude 
of a town by slaying the local dragon singlehandedly, but he should never 
be able to just waltz into town and take over as Lord Mayor.  Heroes are 
people who spend their lives on the edge of society, teaching themselves 
to survive and thrive in the face of danger.  While they are busy doing 
this, other people (with much less actual combat experience but far more 
social savvy) are networking, making friends, making deals, rising to 
political prominence.  It shouldn't be rare at all that in a kingdom run 
by a low-level fighter (who spends all his time hunting and drinking) 
real power should be held by a 0-level merchant-prince who knows how to 
blackmail and intimidate all the right people, while the greatest warrior 
in the land is actually an obscure sergeant from peasant stock who has 
spent the last 25 years fighting the battles for the weaklings at the 
top.  The physical might=political power equation is really more 
appropriate for an early medieval setting (think Beowulf or perhaps 
Charlemagne) than for a late medieval-early Renaissance (and 
cosmopolitan) campaign such as Mystara (think Machiavelli or Cardinal 
Richelieu).

m@2
> >  
> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
> ~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
> ~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
> ~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
> \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:44:02 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

In my last game session the PCs met some werebats, while traveling in Boldavia.
This prompted me the following: werecreatures can summon normal animals of
their weretype, Vampires can summon rats, bats and wolves (both Normal and
Giant, or Dire for wolves).
What happen when Werewolves, Wererats, Werebats and Vampires (or Nosferatu)
live in the same area (e.g. Karameikos)? I mean: both of them exploits the
same animal resources, so they should be in constant struggle, do they hate
themselves ? Or what else ?

And now two other questions from my sick mind:
1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract Lychantropy
and retain their former powers ?
2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their former powers ?
3) Did somebody there create stats for undead PCs using the rules from Gaz10
or the PC series ?

Bye bye    

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Yet Another Test...

                          Leroy Van Camp III
          owner-mystara-l@io.com         van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 MST3K

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

> 
> Where can I find this "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" thing ?
> I remember reading something like that, but don't remember where :-)
> Was it the HW boxed set or the Broken Lands Gaz ?
> Please help me before I start reading all my Mystara library... :-)

It's in the HW boxed set, under the entry for the Beastmen, who are the 
ancestors of the goblinoid races.

m@2
 > 
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli                        brizio@lunet.it            
> DM in City Of The Stars 
> aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
> aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
> Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
>                                       
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Scott Johnson <zagyg@io.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:09:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> 
> Where can I find this "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" thing ?
> I remember reading something like that, but don't remember where :-)
> Was it the HW boxed set or the Broken Lands Gaz ?
> Please help me before I start reading all my Mystara library... :-)

Both, actually.  The concept of the humanoids being the reincarnations of
evil beings was first mentioned in the Broken Lands Gazetteer, but it was
said there that it was the Immortals of the four 'good' spheres that had
done it, in order to punish those wicked souls.  It was the Hollow World
boxed set that first claimed it was Hel who did it.

Really, I like the concept, despite what some might say about it.  It
gives the humanoids an interesting and tragic bit of metaphysical history
- - and I don't particuarly think it condemns them to being eternally evil
or barbaric.  Just because they were evil in their previous lives, after
all, doesn't mean they have to be evil for all their lives to come.  And
it's really neat to have the option of revealing a character's past life
to them when they reach a high enough level, like the Gazetteer suggests -
especially if you take the opportunity to tie it into campaign history or
whatnot.  (I'm rather enamored of the idea of letting a humanoid fall in
love and have kids during the campaign, then revealing to them, in the
vision sent by the Immortals, that those children are the reincarnations
of some of the most-loathed enemies the character has fought and killed 
during the campaign...  It'd make for a really neat questioning of
assumptions and basic beliefs, at least...)

- --
Scott Johnson |
zagyg@io.com  |         This space intentionally left blank.


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] World Knowledge

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:

> <<<<<IMC and many others it is essentially a global 
> network ... Alphatian culture has had a huge influence on the KW and 
> vice 
> versa and both areas have all kinds of overlap with strikingly 
> non-western chunks of the world>>>>>
> 
> That's interesting. IMC's, lots of countries are trying to find out 
> about the rest of the world. Some countries in the Known world have 
> sent of great numbers of people to try and start civilizations on 
> unknown and uncharted lands. Most are doing this out of the search 
> for new ores and materials more than general curiosity though. 
> I have much of Western Davania mapped out, and IMC it seems like the 
> PCs are about to travel to the Known World and see what lies up in 
> Brun. It should be pretty interesting.

That does sound interesting.  You're right about the search for new 
materials ... just like the real Age of Exploration, most of the 
migrations from the KW to the Savage Coast for instance are motivated by 
greed combined with religious zeal ... the original Savage Coast in X9 
showed this much better than Red Steel.  IMHO Mystara as it is desribed 
in the PWA series is on the verge of a huge international change as the 
seafaring states of the KW, no longer locked into the Thyatis-Alphatia 
struggle, begin on huge campaigns of exploration and conquest.  I see 
Yavdlom and Sind coming under the domination of Ierendi traders; I see 
Vilaverdan sailors exploring the coasts of Davania and the Immortal's Arm 
and trading with the natives; I see even Hule coming to depend upon the 
Savage Baronies for trade much as the huge Ottoman Empire once was 
dominated by tiny but rich Venice.  In the east, perhaps Bellissarian or 
Thyatin ships will finally subdue the Minaean pirates and visit this 
Mystaran Orient of Eastern Skothar that so many of us seem to agree is an 
interesting new development.  Since Mystara is basically now open to 
development by the members of this mailing list, the game-exploration of 
these areas by PC's can happen simultaneously with their actual design by 
interested DM's here on the list.

m@2

> > 
_______________________________________________
> -Tim                             mrru13a@prodigy.com
> 

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> In my last game session the PCs met some werebats, while traveling in Boldavia.
> This prompted me the following: werecreatures can summon normal animals of
> their weretype, Vampires can summon rats, bats and wolves (both Normal and
> Giant, or Dire for wolves).
> What happen when Werewolves, Wererats, Werebats and Vampires (or Nosferatu)
> live in the same area (e.g. Karameikos)? I mean: both of them exploits the
> same animal resources, so they should be in constant struggle, do they hate
> themselves ? Or what else ?

I can't think of a source to cite, but it seems to me that in several 
places I've encountered the general idea that lycanthropes and vampires 
hate each other anyway.  Lycanthropes are most definitely full of life, 
and to the extent that they are evil it is because they are hot-blooded 
and savagely violent, not cold, rotting and hateful like the Undead.  
Lycanthropes and Nosferatu/Vampires in Glantri have non-overlapping 
territories for a reason.  I think this is more a result of fundamentally 
different natures though, not of competition for resources.  Except right 
in the area of a major Vampire Lord or Wererat Chief's lair, there 
should be a pretty high ratio of rodents and wolves to their supernatural 
counterparts.  If there are enough vampires and lycanthropes running 
around to exhaust the animal population in an area, other more pressing 
problems will probably already have arisen. 

> > And 
now two other questions from my sick mind:
> 1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract Lychantropy
> and retain their former powers ?

I would say no.  There is probably an official ruling on this somewhere 
in the AD&D core rules; I don't know for OD&D.  Since lycanthropy is a 
disease, it wouldn't make much sense for the Undead to be susceptible to it.

> 2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their former powers ?

that's a trickier one, but I still think there's no real precedent for it 
and it creates a lot of problems.

> 3) Did somebody there create stats for undead PCs using the rules from Gaz10
> or the PC series ?

Not that I know of.  I do have an undead PC in my game ... I adapted 
Mikhail Gorevitch-Woszlany (Prince Morphail's brother) for use as a PC, 
pretty much sticking to the example of the NPC's given in the Glantri 
Gazeteer and Boxed Set.

> > Bye bye    > 
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli                        brizio@lunet.it            
> DM in City Of The Stars 
> aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
> aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
> Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
>                                       
> 
> 

hope I was helpful.

m@2

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 16:44:28 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Paths of Power Magic...

At 12:50 PM 9/10/96 -0700, Leroy wrote:

>    The magic system I use in my campaigns is a combination of the Paths
>of Power from Dragon and the spell point system from Spells and Magic.  It
>was play tested in a short Spelljammer campaign I ran recently, and it
>worked very well at the lower levels.
>    For me, next to character creation, the magic system is the worst
>part of xD&D.  After over a decade of tinkering, this system has finally
>satisfied me.

        Could you offer a brief synopsis of this Paths of Power system?
Also, do you have any thoughts, after having playtested, on the
From ???@??? Thu Sep 12 17:29:16 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id OAA07469; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:30:01 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12141 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:54:55 -0500
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:54:55 -0500
Message-Id: <199609120354.WAA12141@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #206
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 8527d16c397fa3671684fea05425031d

spell-point-to-spell-level scheme in S&M?  I'm not sure what to think of the
exponential rate of spell points per spell level, i.e.

1 ****
2 ******
3 **********
4 ***************
5 **********************
6 ******************************
7 ****************************************
8 **************************************************
9 ************************************************************

        I've briefly considered a point system that runs fom 1-20, based on
the Immortal's Rules Power Point costs for spells (with tweaking, of course)
and just abolishing the idea of "spell levels" altogether.

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:22:15, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

Wouldn't the whole idea of Hel reincarnateing these souls to be evil 
huminoids somewhat imbalance the good/evil in Mystara. In time evil 
would just continue to grow while just being reincarnated over and 
over again.  This would probably set the huminoids as a target of 
druids, and others that are intent on keeping Mystara at a perfect 
balence.
I really haven't read the actual text in the Gaz yet, so my 
statements may be a little out of line. Either way, I just really 
hate the reincarnated theory.

____________________________________
- -Tim                  mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:11:43, -0500
Subject: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract 
Lychantropy
and retain their former powers ?

I believe most/all undead are immune to diseases such as Lycanthropy.


2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their 
former powers ?

I've been looking for a way to "Animate Lycanthropes", and searched 
in the Necromancer's sourcebook, and other source books and found 
nothing (need it for a NPC). I'm now just creating the spell and 
stats for an undead lycanthrope.

3) Did somebody there create stats for undead PCs using the rules 
from Gaz10
or the PC series ?

I know that Ravenloft is publishing a module soon that shows stats 
and everything to use undead as PCs in a campaign. I'm not sure when 
exactly it comes out, but i think it's part 3 of 3 of a set of Azalin 
modules that are all being released this year.

__________________________________
- -tim                 mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: David Keyser <davidk@Synopsys.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Mystara index of Polyhedron magazines

After some research, I have a list of Polyhedrons which reference
Mystara.  There are few other articles which apply to D&D, but 
these are the only ones that reference Mystara specifically

Issue   Notes
15      Solo adventure for 1 Level 8 Fighter.  Features a portal to transport 
        the character to the current campaign area.  Includes thouls and 
        Mystaran living statues.

16      Supplemental material to AC1 The Shady Dragon Inn

100     Mind Flayer reviews Mystaran documents before plane shifting to Mystara

120     Provides some details on how one RPGA member detailed Myoshima, using
        material from Oriental Adventures(both rules and modules)

Dave Keyser

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Scott Johnson wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Where can I find this "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" thing ?
> > I remember reading something like that, but don't remember where :-)
> > Was it the HW boxed set or the Broken Lands Gaz ?
> > Please help me before I start reading all my Mystara library... :-)
> 
> Both, actually.  The concept of the humanoids being the reincarnations of
> evil beings was first mentioned in the Broken Lands Gazetteer, but it was
> said there that it was the Immortals of the four 'good' spheres that had
> done it, in order to punish those wicked souls.  It was the Hollow World
> boxed set that first claimed it was Hel who did it.
> 
> Really, I like the concept, despite what some might say about it.  It
> gives the humanoids an interesting and tragic bit of metaphysical history
> - and I don't particuarly think it condemns them to being eternally evil
> or barbaric.  Just because they were evil in their previous lives, after
> all, doesn't mean they have to be evil for all their lives to come.  And
> it's really neat to have the option of revealing a character's past life
> to them when they reach a high enough level, like the Gazetteer suggests -
> especially if you take the opportunity to tie it into campaign history or
> whatnot.  (I'm rather enamored of the idea of letting a humanoid fall in
> love and have kids during the campaign, then revealing to them, in the
> vision sent by the Immortals, that those children are the reincarnations
> of some of the most-loathed enemies the character has fought and killed 
> during the campaign...  It'd make for a really neat questioning of
> assumptions and basic beliefs, at least...)
> 


Ingenious! You are right of course that I (and others) were working on 
the assumption that reincarnation theory= moral determinism, which is not 
necessarily true. In fact one key facet of Hindu and Buddhist belief 
about reincarnation is that souls make progress through multiple lives, 
"cleaning up" the bad karma of past life mistakes by living well in a new 
body.  This would mean that humanoids can actually escape their state by 
learning to be good and moral.  And yes it DOES make for good 
questioning of basic assumptions.

m@2

> -- > Scott 
Johnson | > zagyg@io.com  |         This space intentionally left blank.
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: David Keyser <davidk@Synopsys.COM>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:13:12 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Mystara index for Dungeon magazines

Here is an update to the list of Dungeon magazines that are set in
Mystara.  The only new addition to the last time I posted this is issue #54.

A ? next to anything means I am using memory, and may be off.

These adventures are explicitly set in Mystara(D&D Known World).

Issue Levels    Setting         Commentary
6       4-10    Savage Coast    Not set in modern day Savage Coast, but works
                                well as a continuation of module X9
7       4-10    Savage Coast    Part 2 of adventure from Dungeon #6
9       3       Ylaruam         Solo adventure(no DM) for one elf
9       3-5?    Mule Beach      Can be set with any coastal town
12      2-4     north Glantri   
13      8-12    Specularum      Very good city adventure
20      8-12    Broken Lands
21      15-18   Norworld
22      1-3     Broken Lands    Humanoid PCs(from GAZ10)
23      2-4     Soderfjord      
24      1-3     Karameikos      Good wizard tower and well done(thanks Ann!)
25      4-7     Karameikos
26      6-8     Darokin         Good use of bhuts
27      10-14   Karameikos
28      4-6     Broken Lands    Small encounter meant to be included with module
                                HWA1, can still be used with that or stand alone
39      1       Glantri
42      3-5     Karameikos      Describes an outlaw town near Threshold
44      12+     Glantri         Set after 1010AC
48      1-3     Five Shires     
54      1-3     anywhere        features a redcap, former familiar of a 
                                shadowelf wizard
57      1       Karameikos      AD&D
58      3-5     Specularum      AD&D, not explicitly Mystara, but suggestions
                                are given in order to place it in Mystara
58      any     Glantri City    AD&D, again not explicitly set in Mystara
59      3-5     Karameikos      AD&D



These adventures are D&D, and can easily be set in Mystara, but were not
directly placed there or had background information that did not mesh with 
any part of Mystara that has been detailed

Issue Levels    Potential Set.  Commentary

1       1-3     anywhere        5 elves in a tree home, with a nearby pool, get
                                attacked by striges, that is the adventure
2       1-3     ?               island abandoned long ago after disaster
5       1-3     Karameikos/Five Shires
14      3-6     ?               First appearance of Greater Wererats(see PC4)
15      6-9     Karameikos
28?     1       any frontier    I think this is Dungeon #28, might be 39 or 42
34      1-3     Minrothad       Good
46      1-3     Darokin         the setting reappeared in a different adventure 
                                in Dungeon #56
50      5-8     Ylaruam         Good
51      2-3     Darokin
53      4-6?    Karameikos
56      1-3     Daroking        AD&D adventure, but same campaign as issue #46


There was one D&D adventure that appeared in Dungeon #41, with the 
Thunder Rift setting.



Dave Keyser


------------------------------

From: Robert Kaelin <kaelin@natural.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:54:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

>In my last game session the PCs met some werebats, while traveling in
>Boldavia.
>This prompted me the following: werecreatures can summon normal animals of
>their weretype, Vampires can summon rats, bats and wolves (both Normal and
>Giant, or Dire for wolves).
>What happen when Werewolves, Wererats, Werebats and Vampires (or Nosferatu)
>live in the same area (e.g. Karameikos)? I mean: both of them exploits the
>same animal resources, so they should be in constant struggle, do they hate
>themselves ? Or what else ?

What you have to decide in your campaign is where the monsters get their
summoned creatures from.  You can assume lycanthropes and vampires summon
whatever creatures happen to be in the area, in which case it's a first
come-first serve basis.  But note neither monsters ability includes the
power to actually CONTROL the animals they summon.  It's just assumed the
animals will naturally side with a lycanthrope of their type over a human.
Of course, a vampire can charm by gaze, and upon animal intelligence charm
lasts a long, long time so a vampire has no doubt 'charmed' all the wolves
in his area; so while a lycanthrope can summon them, he probably can't use
them directly against a vampire who lives in the same area.  (They
shouldn't treat the lycanthrope any differently unless the vampire commands
them specifically, or the lycanthrope tries to make them do something
obviously against the vampire, like attacking it.)  Bats might be much
harder to charm individually, however.

A variation of this I use is that somehow, call it 'animal magnetism' if
you must :-) , a lycanthrope or vampire just naturally attracts animals of
it's type.  (Maybe those who just happen to be wandering through the area
feel the desire to stay.)  Each lycanthrope can only "hold" as many
monsters as it can summon, so for each lycanthrope running around there are
always 1-12 (I guess the number varies based on what rules you use, so your
lycanthrope's milage may vary) animals of it's type in the area (within a
couple miles) of the lycanthrope of all times.  This leads to different
tribes or packs of monsters following, and being summoned by, different
lycanthropes.  If monsters who "follow" a particular lycanthrope are slain
then the lycanthrope is left without those animals to summon until they are
replenished.  (Either by more monsters wandering into the area, or by the
lycanthrope going out to other areas and taking monsters from there.)  Also
note, in this case a vampire can still use his charm gaze on the animals,
the lycanthrope still only has about as much control over the animals as
any pack leader would.

>And now two other questions from my sick mind:

Don't you hate when you think of a third question while writing and forget
to go back up and change the line before them.  :-)

>1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract Lychantropy
>and retain their former powers ?

I'd say no.  As usual I've got a simple answer and a complicated one.

The simple one, undead are immune to all diseases and poisons.  True,
lycanthropy is no ordinary disease, but it's not that powerful compared to
the magics that hold a vampire, or lich together.

The complicated one...lycanthropy is passed on when grevious wounds are
commited by the creatures claws and bits.  So it's probably something in
the creatures silava that gets into the victims circulatory system that
passes on the disease.  Undead, being by definition...dead, have no working
circualtory system so they can't be infected by it.  (We can debate whether
or not vampires circulate the blood they drink at a later time.)  :-)

>2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their former
>powers ?

This intruiges me .  I don't see why not.  Having carried the disease with
them into undeath it's certainly possible liches can account for that in
their transformation  and still possess the power to transform.  (They may
have to use a diffrent formula for lichdom then a human would, but probably
only slightly different.)

If you use the different types of lycanthropes, True and Infected, I'd
probably say only true ones could become liches.

Whether or not vampires carry their powers over is probably a moot point.
Vampires can change forms at will, and have better immunities and summoning
capabilties then lycanthropes.  It's possible a vampire/were-wolf could
summon more wolves then usual, or transform into a massive wolf beyond it's
kin's abilitiies, though.

>3) Did somebody there create stats for undead PCs using the rules from Gaz10
>or the PC series ?

I use Van Richten's guides to Vampires and Liches, respectively, for my
vampires and liches.  Besides providing most of the stats/powers you could
ever need they have exhaustive details on the "average" undead's
philosphies, attitudes, motivations, tactics, allies, etc, etc.  Very few
of the details are world-specific, and the overwhelming majority isn't even
game-system specific, so transporting it to OD&D Mystara is pretty
easy...and it'll scare the stuffings out of your players.  :-)

I've had a few pc vampires using these systems on Mystara, and one pc
lich...and they seemed to work fine.  (They are a little more powerful then
their "standard" counter-parts but for important or main NPC and PCs they
do nicely.)

>Bye bye

Later,

- -Bob

- ----------------------------------------------------------
 Bob Kaelin                      Natural Intelligence, Inc.
 E-mail: Kaelin@natural.com      725 Concord Ave.
 Phone:  (617) 876-7680 x1253    Cambridge, Ma. 02138
 WWW:<http://www.natural.com>    USA
- ----------------------------------------------------------



------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #206
*****************************




mystara-digest          Thursday, 12 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 207


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@snfma1.if.usp.br>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 01:49:09 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> That being said, I agree that Mystara (at least in what as been written 
> about it so far) tends to have a disproportionately Western bias, as do 
> many roleplaying worlds.  But let's fix that not by setting up a 
> China-and-Japan bias instead, but by really throwing in everything under 
> the sun.  The Suma'a demi-ogres sound like they have great potential, as 
> well as the Minaeans.  I wasn't kidding about the Amazon Samurai of Zyxl, 
> either ...  Something else I'd like to see is more stuff based on South 
> and Central American cultures.  The Azcans and Oltecs in the Hollow World 
> are cool, but they should have some descendants on the outer world 
> somewhere ... my vote is western and central davania or maybe the Arm of 
> God (Immortals' Arm, sorry) or even Skothar.  What if there were a 
> China-like culture in direct conflict or maybe trade with an Inca-like 
> culture?  It's the juxtapositions that really make Mystara cool.

Yes, I agree. As a matter of fact, I've been thinking about locating a
teixeiran colony in Davania. Teixeiras is based on Portugal and has
started colonizing other lands as the portuguese did (correct me if the
country is wrong, I am not with my books now). As a brazilian, I have
always considered reproducing Brazil's colonial history (and our
folklore, monsters included) somewhere in Davania (Davania is the southern
continent, right?) I am not sure when I will start it, but I will post it
as soon as I have done something.

Andre Martins




------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 21:33:12 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara index for Dungeon magazines

At 06:13 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Here is an update to the list of Dungeon magazines that are set in
>Mystara.  The only new addition to the last time I posted this is issue #54.

        I just wanted to offer some more info. based on my paltry collection
of 8 issues of Dungeon...

>20     8-12    Broken Lands

        Title:  Pride of the Sky.  Comment:  Party follows treasure map to
site where dragon, impaled on mast of flying airship transporting some of a
Glantrian noble's trove, crashed.  PCs fight manscorpions and rob the
treasure from them (manscorpion's found it first, right?).  I ran this and
found the adventure very very deadly even for levels 8-12 due to the poison.

>21     15-18   Norworld

        Title:  Bane of Elfswood.  Comment:  Odic attacks eleven settlements
in PC's Norwold dominion.  Party must track it down and destroy it.  Does
good job of making the odic a challenging and unique enemy and not a hack
and slash encounter like all of the randomly-rolled high-level undead in CM2
Death's Ride.

>22     1-3     Broken Lands    Humanoid PCs(from GAZ10)

        Title:  Rank Amateurs.  Comment:  Humorous adventure.  PCs are
stupid and crass, but not evil.  They go on "dipomatic mission" to Glantri
and meet effette, snobbish humans, and turn out to have been duped by their
humanoid leader and have the option to go back and take revenge.

>23     2-4     Soderfjord

        Title:  Vineyard Vales.  Comment:  PCs are hired to find the source
of curiously active giant locusts, who are destroying their crop.
        
>44     12+     Glantri         Set after 1010AC

        Title:  The Hand of Al-Djamal.  Comment:  PCs must find out who/what
is killing Glantrian museum employees.  Can also be run in a pre-Wrath
campaign with a few background tweaks that don't effect play at all (just
repercussive ramifications).


        I wish I could get a hold of these adventures without having to hunt
down and buy all of those Dungeons.  *sigh*  Who knows, maybe some will show
up on the TSR web page eventually?

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:09:47 +-200
Subject: [Mystara] Druids

hi everybody
In the last game session, a player of mine asked if there is a nation =
ruled by druids. I answered that the character doesn't know anything =
about it; but the player wanted to ask a scholar about it. He will do it =
in the next session, but I'm stuck on it. I don't know what he has =
planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?

thanks a lot

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:29:56 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

Scott Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> 
> >
> > Where can I find this "humanoids are reincarnated souls created by Hel" thing ?
> > I remember reading something like that, but don't remember where :-)
> > Was it the HW boxed set or the Broken Lands Gaz ?
> > Please help me before I start reading all my Mystara library... :-)
> 
> Both, actually.  The concept of the humanoids being the reincarnations of
> evil beings was first mentioned in the Broken Lands Gazetteer, but it was
> said there that it was the Immortals of the four 'good' spheres that had
> done it, in order to punish those wicked souls.  It was the Hollow World
> boxed set that first claimed it was Hel who did it.
> 
> Really, I like the concept, despite what some might say about it.  It
> gives the humanoids an interesting and tragic bit of metaphysical history
> - and I don't particuarly think it condemns them to being eternally evil
> or barbaric.  Just because they were evil in their previous lives, after
> all, doesn't mean they have to be evil for all their lives to come.  And
> it's really neat to have the option of revealing a character's past life
> to them when they reach a high enough level, like the Gazetteer suggests -
> especially if you take the opportunity to tie it into campaign history or
> whatnot.  (I'm rather enamored of the idea of letting a humanoid fall in
> love and have kids during the campaign, then revealing to them, in the
> vision sent by the Immortals, that those children are the reincarnations
> of some of the most-loathed enemies the character has fought and killed
> during the campaign...  It'd make for a really neat questioning of
> assumptions and basic beliefs, at least...)
> 
> --
> Scott Johnson |
> zagyg@io.com  |         This space intentionally left blank.

Well, IIRC, Hel abandoned the stuff about reincarnating evil souls
(which is why Ka transported some of them to the HW), so that now the
humanoids breed true. Thus they no more have any reason to be evil or
chaotic, except for their cultural heritage (and, some might add,
genetic heritage). The Beastmen from the HW are supported by Ka, and not
Hel anymore, and thus are not reincarnated evil souls either, although
they still don't breed true (because of Ka's immortal magic). But as the
Karameikan Polar Expedition can agree upon, they are definetly not evil.

I must add that I love the radiation theory. I think we could go for the
following: Hel created the Beastmen and reincarnated evil souls in the
babies. But when Blackmoor blew itsel up, the Beastmen were heavily
touched by the radiations and began to mutate. Hel, seing that it would
cost her too much PPs to continue the reincarnations, and thinking that
the Beasten were of fewer use to her since nearby Blackmoor was no more,
she decided to stop tinkering. Ka, seing that the unique strangely
breeding race would rapidly die out, transported some of them to the HW,
and placed an Immortal spell upon them so that they would continue not
to breed true, although they would from that time on not be evil beings
reincarnated. He let the other Beastmen on the outer world and let them
evolve because of the radiations.

- -- 
Herve Musseau
Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh

------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:37:33 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't the whole idea of Hel reincarnateing these souls to be evil
> huminoids somewhat imbalance the good/evil in Mystara. In time evil
> would just continue to grow while just being reincarnated over and
> over again.  This would probably set the huminoids as a target of
> druids, and others that are intent on keeping Mystara at a perfect
> balence.
> I really haven't read the actual text in the Gaz yet, so my
> statements may be a little out of line. Either way, I just really
> hate the reincarnated theory.
> 
> ____________________________________
> -Tim                  mrru13a@prodigy.com

Well, it does unbalance things to a certain extent, but as I said in
another mail, Hel has now abandoned this stuff.
And, yes, it did provoke some reaction from the other spheres at the
time: If you read the timeline, you will see that the priests of
Blackmoor promote a war against the unnatural Beastmen (war that, IIRC,
forces the Beastmen to retreat farther north in the arctic circle). Who
do you think those Blackmoorian priests did serve? Well, Immortals from
any sphere of course... :)

- -- 
Herve Musseau
Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh

------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:16:00 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

Gabriele Ferri wrote:
> 
> hi everybody
> In the last game session, a player of mine asked if there is a nation ruled by druids. I answered that the character doesn't know anything about it; but the player wanted to ask a scholar about it. He will do it in the next session, but I'm stuck on it. I don't know what he has planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
> Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?
> 
> thanks a lot
> 
> Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

IIRC the Kingdom of Eusdria on the Savage Coast is a druid-nation. I
don't think there is another one, although there are druids evrywhere,
and nature-loving cultures (like the elves of Alfheim).

- -- 
Herve Musseau
Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh

------------------------------

From: DragonMast@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix

In a message dated 96-09-11 17:54:06 EDT, you write:

<< > Later,
 > 
 > Wayne
 > 
 
 No, no, excuse me; you have a right to subjectively enjoy the artwork as 
 much as I have a right to slam on it.  I was just mouthing off don't mind 
 me I'm not out to make enemies.
 
 m@2
 
  >>

Hey, as a person who can't even draw a decent stick figure, it doesn't take
much to impress me. :)

No harm done,

Wayne

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:09:36, -0500
Subject: [Mystara] Druids

<<<
 I don't know what he has =
planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?>>>

IMC's i don't have a druidic nation, but i do have a druidic island 
that serves as a meeting place for druids of all types (forest, 
dessert, swamp, etc.). Most inexperienced druids (1-9 level) druids 
don't know of it, and scholars don't know about it. A scholar in my 
campaign would tell him that these things are protected and sacred to 
all the druids in Mystara, and the best way to find it, would be from 
another druid.

_________________________________________
- -Tim                  mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:23:35 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] World Knowledge

Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:
> 
> > <<<<<IMC and many others it is essentially a global
> > network ... Alphatian culture has had a huge influence on the KW and
> > vice
> > versa and both areas have all kinds of overlap with strikingly
> > non-western chunks of the world>>>>>
> >
> > That's interesting. IMC's, lots of countries are trying to find out
> > about the rest of the world. Some countries in the Known world have
> > sent of great numbers of people to try and start civilizations on
> > unknown and uncharted lands. Most are doing this out of the search
> > for new ores and materials more than general curiosity though.
> > I have much of Western Davania mapped out, and IMC it seems like the
> > PCs are about to travel to the Known World and see what lies up in
> > Brun. It should be pretty interesting.
> 
> That does sound interesting.  You're right about the search for new
> materials ... just like the real Age of Exploration, most of the
> migrations from the KW to the Savage Coast for instance are motivated by
> greed combined with religious zeal ... the original Savage Coast in X9
> showed this much better than Red Steel.  IMHO Mystara as it is desribed
> in the PWA series is on the verge of a huge international change as the
> seafaring states of the KW, no longer locked into the Thyatis-Alphatia
> struggle, begin on huge campaigns of exploration and conquest.  I see
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 13:05:29 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id IAA26227; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:42:07 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA20420 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:04 -0500
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:04 -0500
Message-Id: <199609122215.RAA20420@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #207
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 21ae3e2d43599afca657bfcaea3a04d0
Status: RO

> Yavdlom and Sind coming under the domination of Ierendi traders; I see
> Vilaverdan sailors exploring the coasts of Davania and the Immortal's Arm
> and trading with the natives; I see even Hule coming to depend upon the
> Savage Baronies for trade much as the huge Ottoman Empire once was
> dominated by tiny but rich Venice.  In the east, perhaps Bellissarian or
> Thyatin ships will finally subdue the Minaean pirates and visit this
> Mystaran Orient of Eastern Skothar that so many of us seem to agree is an
> interesting new development.  Since Mystara is basically now open to
> development by the members of this mailing list, the game-exploration of
> these areas by PC's can happen simultaneously with their actual design by
> interested DM's here on the list.
> 
> m@2
> 
> > >
> _______________________________________________
> > -Tim                             mrru13a@prodigy.com
> >

I totally agree with you. And this is an easy way of introducing
MOrient. Also, there have already been some exploration teams sent those
last years, the most important being the Karameiken Polar Expedition
(and its result will probably lead to interesting developments, and
could easily provoke the start of a new wave of
exploration/colonization, and not only in direction of the HW). Things
like the Pioneer (that sails around the world) could then become more
common.

- -- 
Herve Musseau
Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh

------------------------------

From: Simon Seah <seah@sfu.ca>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mystara] MOrient call for development team members

I would like to be be in on the MOrient development.

My e-mail is "seah@sfu.ca"

Simon
:)


------------------------------

From: Scott Johnson <zagyg@io.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:32:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Herve MUSSEAU wrote:

> Well, IIRC, Hel abandoned the stuff about reincarnating evil souls
> (which is why Ka transported some of them to the HW), so that now the
> humanoids breed true. Thus they no more have any reason to be evil or
> chaotic, except for their cultural heritage (and, some might add,
> genetic heritage). The Beastmen from the HW are supported by Ka, and not
> Hel anymore, and thus are not reincarnated evil souls either, although
> they still don't breed true (because of Ka's immortal magic). But as the
> Karameikan Polar Expedition can agree upon, they are definetly not evil.

I think you're wrong here - as I recall, the Beastman entry says that the
Beastmen are no longer the reincarnations of evil beings, but the
humanoids are - which is supported by the bits in GAZ10 which suggest that
if a humanoid makes it to 30th level, the humanoid immortals will come to
it in a dream and reveal the fact of reincarnation (and possibly the
humanoid's prior life).  The Beastmen are definitely non-reincarnated, but
I think their entry in the HW set specifically states that their
descendants on the outer world, the humanoids, are still reincarnations.
Unfortunately, all my HW material is several states away at the moment, so
I can't check.  Anyone with the boxed set handy willing to clear this up?

- --
Scott Johnson |
zagyg@io.com  |           This space intentionally left blank.


------------------------------

From: Peter Balazs <a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:21:57 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

>       Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
> anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!

What would I have to do as a "member of the team"? I would like to read it,
and search for logical and other mistakes. I now have been dming a "Known
World"-campaign for at least 8 years! I could try to find out, if it=B4s
fiting at least my view of Mystara!

***************************************************************************
                                Peter Balazs
                          (a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at)
                     http://radon.mat.univie.ac.at/~pbalazs
***************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: "Naveen Garg" <NaveenGarg@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 18:50:01 UT
Subject: [Mystara] MOrient call for development team members

Please take me off the list. - Thanks!

------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Herve MUSSEAU wrote:

> Gabriele Ferri wrote:
> > 
> > hi everybody
> > In the last game session, a player of mine asked if there is a nation ruled by druids. I answered that the character doesn't know anything about it; but the player wanted to ask a scholar about it. He will do it in the next session, but I'm stuck on it. I don't know what he has planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
> > Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?
> > 
> > thanks a lot
> > 
> > Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
> 
> IIRC the Kingdom of Eusdria on the Savage Coast is a druid-nation. I
> don't think there is another one, although there are druids evrywhere,
> and nature-loving cultures (like the elves of Alfheim).
> 
> -- 
> Herve Musseau
> Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
> Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh
> 

Robrenn is the nation oyour thinking of and is directly west of Eusdria
It has a very ancient Celtic-like feel to it.  The Immortals mention
are almost identical to the Celtic pantheon.  The nation isn't totally
ruled by Druids, but they choose the king.  Almost all druids are female,
esp. important ones.  And the reverse is true of political figures, almost
all male.
If you want more info look up the Savage Coast rulebook on MPGN, its
better than both the books TSR published and charged about $60 total for,
has all the same info AFAI can tell, and its free.

One of my players brought up an interesting question during character
creation though, is there a Great Druid in the Known World area?  If so
who?  Maud (Great Druid in Robrenn) controls the region from the Orc's
head to the Serpent penninsula.  So who gets east of there?  I kind of
pushed it off saying if he got that far I'd worry about it then, but its
still an interesting question.


------------------------------

From: Jody Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:02:28 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S writes:
> On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> > That being said, I agree that Mystara (at least in what as been written 
> > about it so far) tends to have a disproportionately Western bias, as do 
> > many roleplaying worlds.  But let's fix that not by setting up a 
> > China-and-Japan bias instead, but by really throwing in everything under 
> > the sun.  The Suma'a demi-ogres sound like they have great potential, as 
> > well as the Minaeans.  I wasn't kidding about the Amazon Samurai of Zyxl, 
> > either ...  Something else I'd like to see is more stuff based on South 
> > and Central American cultures.  The Azcans and Oltecs in the Hollow World 
> > are cool, but they should have some descendants on the outer world 
> > somewhere ... my vote is western and central davania or maybe the Arm of 
> > God (Immortals' Arm, sorry) or even Skothar.  What if there were a 
> > China-like culture in direct conflict or maybe trade with an Inca-like 
> > culture?  It's the juxtapositions that really make Mystara cool.
> 
> Yes, I agree. As a matter of fact, I've been thinking about locating a
> teixeiran colony in Davania. Teixeiras is based on Portugal and has
> started colonizing other lands as the portuguese did (correct me if the
> country is wrong, I am not with my books now). As a brazilian, I have
> always considered reproducing Brazil's colonial history (and our
> folklore, monsters included) somewhere in Davania (Davania is the southern
> continent, right?) I am not sure when I will start it, but I will post it
> as soon as I have done something.

        Well, we already have a team of people working on the MOriental
setting, and we are going to base it in Skothar, if you would like ( for
the sake of coninuity ) to collaborate your MSouthAmerica idea with the
MOrient project, leave me some e-mail... On including cultural "biases" in
the MOrient, it's not up to me, but I will ask the team about it when, i
release the first compilation of MOrient material....

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive!"
Carleton U.
Computer Science, Software
Email addresses: jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
                 cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
                               
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:56:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Paths of Power Magic...

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:

> At 12:50 PM 9/10/96 -0700, Leroy wrote:
> 
> >    The magic system I use in my campaigns is a combination of the Paths
> >of Power from Dragon and the spell point system from Spells and Magic.  It
> >was play tested in a short Spelljammer campaign I ran recently, and it
> >worked very well at the lower levels.
> 
>         Could you offer a brief synopsis of this Paths of Power system?

    The Paths of Power is an alternate system for the way that spells are
learned in AD&D.  Spells are categorized into paths, grouped by effect.
For example, here is one of the paths...

        Bard's Path: alarm (1), ventriloquism (1), deafness (2), ghost
pipes (2, FA), magic mouth (2), shout (4), Leomund's lamentable
belabourment (5), great shout (8, FA), wail of the banshee* (9)

    A wizard can only know so many paths, as compared to knowing so many
spells per level, in the old system.  This max number of paths rises with
level, and is modified by Intelligence.
    With time and research, it is possible for a character to learn the
next spell on a path without having a copy of that spell, based on his
prior knowledge.  
    In the article, they cetegorize all of the spells from the Players
Handbook, the Tome of Magic, plus many other smaller supplements, such as
Al-Qadim Adventures, Secrets of the Lamp, The CBoNecromancers, and such.
    This simple explanation doesn't do it justice, of course, but PoP adds
a lot of color to the game.  It allows players to have good point of
reference for their spells, and makes story narrative more interesting... 
    To bring this around to Mystara, PoP is handy for identifying what
kind of spells are common where.  For example, the Eagle's Road, Wind
Mage's Road, Windwielder's Path, and The Skyrider's Path are all common in
Alphatia, being air-based paths.

> Also, do you have any thoughts, after having playtested, on the
> spell-point-to-spell-level scheme in S&M?

    Well, in all honesty I am not using the system as written, or even
very close.  The only part I use is the tables that indicate the number of
spell points per level, and the table for the cost to cast a spell.  So,
it would be unfair for me to comment.  It looks reasonable, but not open
enough for my tastes.
    In my system, a wizard does not have to memorize _any_ spells.  They
can cast any spell they know, up to the maximum level they can cast.  It
just costs points.  Plus, there is a limit on the number of times a person
can cast the same spell in one day.  Just because he has the points
doesn't mean a sorcerer can cast 20 Magic Missiles in a day.
    This is all balanced by the Paths of Power, and the changes I have
added.  Each day, a wizard must attune himself to the Paths he wishes to
access that day.  The numer fo Paths a wizard can access is based on level
and Intelligence.  A first level wizard can access 1 path, modified by his
Intelligence bonus (using the OD&D attribute bonus).

  I'm not sure what to think of the
> exponential rate of spell points per spell level, i.e.

[snip]

    In all fairness, the spell point progression in S&M is designed to
closely model the slot progression from the old system.  

>         I've briefly considered a point system that runs fom 1-20, based on
> the Immortal's Rules Power Point costs for spells (with tweaking, of course)
> and just abolishing the idea of "spell levels" altogether.

    Which is, in a way, simialr to the GURPS magic system, which is quite
good, IMHO.  Actually, I feel GURPS has the best spell-based magic system
I have seen (and I have sen a lot of 'em).
    I have thought of doing a complete write up of my spell system,
including the Paths of Power, since I have changed it enough form its
original form.  Of course, these changes are hardly surprising,
considering how much I have changed AD&D.


               Leroy Van Camp III      van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 "Your world is dying, a shell of existence whose time has come to an end.
           I am here to show you rebirth, an evolution of being.
          The fact that millions shall die is of no consequence"
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Tiamat, _Darkglory_



------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #207
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 13:05:36 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id HAA03053; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 07:43:47 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01383 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:00:19 -0500
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:00:19 -0500
Message-Id: <199609132100.QAA01383@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #208
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 15bf651ac949eac34394fe1e3d995665


mystara-digest           Friday, 13 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 208


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Peter Balazs <a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:39:59 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Dominions

Does anyone of you have DMed dominion-holders? Which rules did you use? Do
you have any not published in the Rules Cyclopedia or in the Dragons # 187 -
193? I don=B4t like the rules from the Birthright-system too much, and don=
=B4t
think that they  could be easily used in the Mystara-campaign! Do you have
any rules for build temples, streats,etc..? Is their any sense in using the
"castle & equipment guide" for dominons? Etc..

I=B4m interested in any information about dominions!

***************************************************************************
                                Peter Balazs
                          (a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at)
                     http://radon.mat.univie.ac.at/~pbalazs
***************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: Peter Balazs <a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:39:53 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

In the following mail, I mean infected lycathropes whenever I talk about
lycanthropes. I would classify True Lycanthropes as rather "Normal" living
beings!=20

>> [...]What happen when Werewolves, Wererats, Werebats and Vampires (or
>>Nosferatu) live in the same area (e.g. Karameikos)? I mean: both of them
>>exploits the same animal resources, so they should be in constant
struggle, do >>they hate themselves ? Or what else ?

>I can't think of a source to cite,=20

See some information I gathered from various sourcebooks at the end of this
mail!

>but it seems to me that in several=20
>places I've encountered the general idea that lycanthropes and vampires=20
>hate each other anyway.  Lycanthropes are most definitely full of life,=20
>and to the extent that they are evil it is because they are hot-blooded=20
>and savagely violent, not cold, rotting and hateful like the Undead. =20

I definitly agree with this point!=20

>Lycanthropes and Nosferatu/Vampires in Glantri have non-overlapping=20
>territories for a reason.  I think this is more a result of fundamentally=
=20
>different natures though, not of competition for resources.  Except right=
=20
>in the area of a major Vampire Lord or Wererat Chief's lair, there=20
>should be a pretty high ratio of rodents and wolves to their supernatural=
=20
>counterparts.  If there are enough vampires and lycanthropes running=20
>around to exhaust the animal population in an area, other more pressing=20
>problems will probably already have arisen.=20

The only conflict I could imagine arrising is one between a vampire and a
werebat in a civilized area. Both are craving for human blood, and they
leave the same sort of wounds. So if one comes into the vicinity of the
other and doesn=B4t mind to hide his killings, the (demi-)humans will start=
 a
hunt for the killer, which at least will annoy the more carfull one.=20

>> 1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract=
 Lychantropy
>> and retain their former powers ?

>The simple one, undead are immune to all diseases and poisons.  True,
>lycanthropy is no ordinary disease, but it's not that powerful compared to
>the magics that hold a vampire, or lich together.
>The complicated one...lycanthropy is passed on when grevious wounds are
>commited by the creatures claws and bits.  So it's probably something in
>the creatures silava that gets into the victims circulatory system that
>passes on the disease.  Undead, being by definition...dead, have no working
>circualtory system so they can't be infected by it.  (We can debate whether
>or not vampires circulate the blood they drink at a later time.)  :-)

True. See the informations at the end of this mail!=20

>> 2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their former
powers ?
>
>I've been looking for a way to "Animate Lycanthropes" [...] I'm now just
>creating the spell and stats for an undead lycanthrope.
>I don't see why not.  Having carried the disease with them into undeath
it's >certainly possible liches can account for that in
>their transformation  and still possess the power to transform.  (They may
>have to use a diffrent formula for lichdom then a human would, but probably
>only slightly different.)

But I think that there is quite a difference between these two sorts of
viruses! One is used in the magical transformation, the other one is
contracted! I would also think that the virus dies in a dead body, while
else would the dead lycathrope revert to his true form? =20

But if use a special formula for lichdom, I would rule that it=B4s possible.

If I would allow undead lycathropes, I would rule, that there are some
rather unpretictable effects, when the two magical effects intermingle!=20

It certainly is impossible to create an undead lycanthrope by simply
draining its levels!

>> 3) Did somebody there create stats for undead PCs using the rules from=
 Gaz10
>> or the PC series ?

Sorry, I don=B4t see any rules for creating undead PCs either in Gaz10 or=
 any
of the PC series!

Information from some Sources:

PC4, "Night Howlers":=20

1.) In Mystara Lykanthropy is some magically created virus, which has been
tampered with again and again!

2.) For contracting Lykanthropy it is necessary that the virus gets into the
bloodstream. And as the infection is only assured, when you lose half your
hitpoints, many, many viruses must get into the bloodstream

3.) A lycanthrope drained of all levels is permanently dead!

4.) When a lycathrope dies, he reverts to his true form

RR7, "Van Richten=B4s Guide to Werebeasts"

5.) Only living, intelligent, fully mammalian creatures, which matches the
humanoid body-form, can succumb to the affliction.

***************************************************************************
                                Peter Balazs
                          (a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at)
                     http://radon.mat.univie.ac.at/~pbalazs
***************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:22:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996,  TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:

> IMC's i don't have a druidic nation, but i do have a druidic island 
> that serves as a meeting place for druids of all types (forest, 
> dessert, swamp, etc.). Most inexperienced druids (1-9 level) druids 
> don't know of it, and scholars don't know about it. A scholar in my 
> campaign would tell him that these things are protected and sacred to 
> all the druids in Mystara, and the best way to find it, would be from 
> another druid.

Speaking of Druidic islands- Isn't White Island in the Ierendi chain 
populated by a bunch of druids? (insane, white-ape transforming druids, 
to be sure, but...)

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 16:47:08 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

>If you want more info look up the Savage Coast rulebook on MPGN, its
>better than both the books TSR published and charged about $60 total for,
>has all the same info AFAI can tell, and its free.

        Out of curiosity, in what way is it "better"?  Does it provide more
information than the published Red Steel and Savage Baronies products?

Thanks,

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 16:59:28 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Paths of Power Magic...

At 11:56 AM 9/12/96 -0700, Leroy wrote:

>    The Paths of Power is an alternate system for the way that spells are
>learned in AD&D.  Spells are categorized into paths, grouped by effect.
>For example, here is one of the paths...
>
>       Bard's Path: alarm (1), ventriloquism (1), deafness (2), ghost
>pipes (2, FA), magic mouth (2), shout (4), Leomund's lamentable
>belabourment (5), great shout (8, FA), wail of the banshee* (9)

[snip]

        Wow.  This sounds very exciting.  I was thinking about, instead of
using something like kits or subclasses, trying to get wizards to have
themes to their spellcasting powers in accordance with bodies of knowledge
and not just random selections.  In particular I was thinking of requiring
certain skills (NWP in AD&D) that would form the basis of knowledge enabling
spell research in the area.  Ultimately, I had decided it would be too much
work to come up with all of the "paths" of what knowledge and spell served
as enabling conditions for the next, but this sounds close to having done
that.  Is there anyway I can read this article without having to hunt down
an old copy of Dragon?  I don't want to infringe on copyright or anything,
but it's not exactly easy to do and for just one article.  If anyone with
TSR is reading this, any suggestions?
>
>> Also, do you have any thoughts, after having playtested, on the
>> spell-point-to-spell-level scheme in S&M?
>
>    Well, in all honesty I am not using the system as written, or even
>very close.  The only part I use is the tables that indicate the number of
>spell points per level, and the table for the cost to cast a spell.  So,
>it would be unfair for me to comment.  It looks reasonable, but not open
>enough for my tastes.

        This is all that matters to me, re my question anyway.  I wasn't
talking about the spell points per WIZARD level, but per SPELL level, which
you say is one of the two things you DO use from the system.  That is,
allowing 1st level spells to cost 4 points, 2 costs 6, 3 costs 10, 4 costs
15, 5 costs 22, etc.  The result of this (as opposed to 4 points per spell
level) is to enable wizards to cast many more lower level spells by not
using the hefty point values of higher level spells toward them.  You could
try to turn it around and say that it makes it harder to use lower level
spell points to cast higher level spells because higher ones cost so much,
but since, as you say, they gave points per wizard level such that one can
afford the same number of spells at each spell level as in the original
system, that means there is no short-changing going on.  Even with limits on
spells of one level or of one spell, I still wonder whether I like
characters being able to spend, for an extreme example, the points for a 9th
level spell to cast not 9 1st level spells but 15 (60 points per 9th level
spell and 4 per 1st level spell, instead of 36:4).

>    In my system, a wizard does not have to memorize _any_ spells.  They
>can cast any spell they know, up to the maximum level they can cast.  It
>just costs points.  Plus, there is a limit on the number of times a person
>can cast the same spell in one day.  Just because he has the points
>doesn't mean a sorcerer can cast 20 Magic Missiles in a day.
>    This is all balanced by the Paths of Power, and the changes I have
>added.  Each day, a wizard must attune himself to the Paths he wishes to
>access that day.  The numer fo Paths a wizard can access is based on level
>and Intelligence.  A first level wizard can access 1 path, modified by his
>Intelligence bonus (using the OD&D attribute bonus).
>
>  I'm not sure what to think of the
>> exponential rate of spell points per spell level, i.e.
>
>[snip]
>
>    In all fairness, the spell point progression in S&M is designed to
>closely model the slot progression from the old system.  

        As I said above, I'm talking about spell points per spell level, not
per wizard level, in other words the costs for each spell.

>>         I've briefly considered a point system that runs fom 1-20, based on
>> the Immortal's Rules Power Point costs for spells (with tweaking, of course)
>> and just abolishing the idea of "spell levels" altogether.
>
>    Which is, in a way, simialr to the GURPS magic system, which is quite
>good, IMHO.  Actually, I feel GURPS has the best spell-based magic system
>I have seen (and I have sen a lot of 'em).
>    I have thought of doing a complete write up of my spell system,
>including the Paths of Power, since I have changed it enough form its
>original form.  Of course, these changes are hardly surprising,
>considering how much I have changed AD&D.

        Please do!  Please do!

Thanks for the info,

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 13:05:36 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id HAA03053; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 07:43:47 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01383 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:00:19 -0500
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:00:19 -0500
Message-Id: <199609132100.QAA01383@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #208
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 15bf651ac949eac34394fe1e3d995665

~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Guido Castelletti <gcastel@insinet.it>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 06:39:26 +0200
Subject: [Mystara] Rules

Hi to everyone,
              few days ago I asked if someone had converted the PC 
creatures in the creaturecrucible serie to AD&D but unfortunately nobody 
answered me the way I wanted, even if I thank you for yor gentle 
answers.
Now, not only I ask you once more time if someone is so familiar with 
D&D and AD&D to convert that races but I have other to questions:
- -has anyone converted the races in the Hollow World boxed set to AD&D?
- -has anyone converted the classes and races in the Gazetteer serie to 
AD&D?
Thank you very much
Claudio

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 00:30:55 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

Of anyone owning both PC4 Night Howlers and Van Richten's Guide to
Werebeasts, I ask the following:  having PC4 but not the Guide to
Werebeasts, is there sufficient intregratable info in the latter to justify
buying it, or does it overlap or conflict with PC4 too much?

Thanks,

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: "Leonard Anthony P. Arcilla" <lapa@peak-two.uplb.edu.ph>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:20:57 -0800 (GMT)
Subject: [Mystara] hello?

Greetings to the dwellers of this list!

                Is this list active?
                Am I the only member?

                Yoohoo? yoohoo?



=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
         "He who fights with monsters might take care,
                     lest he thereby become a monster. 
               And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
                       the abyss gazes also into you." 
- -- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"  


------------------------------

From: "Charles A. Wimmer" <cawimm0@service1.uky.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:13:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Dominions

I have used the Dominion rules from the Rules Cyclopedia and they worked out
very well for me.  Some people object to the simplicity of the rules (i.e.
based on hexes, simplified taxation, flat fees for retainers, etc.).  I, on
the other hand, embrace the simplicity and focus my energies on the role
playing.

At 12:39 AM 9/13/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Does anyone of you have DMed dominion-holders? Which rules did you use? Do
>you have any not published in the Rules Cyclopedia or in the Dragons # 187=
 -
>193? I don=B4t like the rules from the Birthright-system too much, and=
 don=B4t
>think that they  could be easily used in the Mystara-campaign! Do you have
>any rules for build temples, streats,etc..? Is their any sense in using the
>"castle & equipment guide" for dominons? Etc..
>
>I=B4m interested in any information about dominions!
>
- --
Charles A. Wimmer    o-|cawimm0@pop.uky.edu-work    |Home(606)275-1263
323 College of Pharmacy|#include <std.disclaimer>   |Work(606)257-1169
University of Kentucky |http://ph99.pharm.uky.edu   |Page(606)231-4710
Lexington, Kentucky    |finger @ph99.uky.edu for pgp key


------------------------------

From: Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu (Andrew McKinstry)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 14:17:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: [Mystara] Druids

>>>>        Out of curiosity, in what way is it "better"?  Does it provide
more
information than the published Red Steel and Savage Baronies products?   <<<

It includes all the info from Savage Baronies and Red Steel, save
illustrations, and then some.   The product, written by TSR staff, was
originally going to be released in stores as The Savage Coast Campaign Book,
but at the last minute, they switched it to online format.

Andrew McKinstry
Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:

> 1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract 
> Lychantropy
> and retain their former powers ?
> 
> I believe most/all undead are immune to diseases such as Lycanthropy.
> 
> 
> 2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their 
> former powers ?
> 
> I've been looking for a way to "Animate Lycanthropes", and searched 
> in the Necromancer's sourcebook, and other source books and found 
> nothing (need it for a NPC). I'm now just creating the spell and 
> stats for an undead lycanthrope.

It occurs to me on this point: Why would you want to have undead 
lycanthropes?  Wel, the main appeal of lycanthropes has always been that 
they can assume human form and thus have surprise value.  This would not 
be effective for any undead lycanthrope *except* for vampires, who can 
appear human also.  But in this case you just get a duplication of powers 
- - meaning that the only real appeal of a lycanthropic vampire over a 
normal vampire is that it has a shapechange power ... which of course 
vampires (according to certain versions) have anyway.  Meaning that there 
is NO DIFFERENCE between a vampire/werewolf and a standard vampire.  
Other lycanthrope types (except for werebat) would add only a new form 
for shapechanging, which is hardly something to write home about.  Anyway 
the point here is that more powerful does not always equal more fun and 
we should all resist the temptation to add things just because they are 
not specifically prohibited by the rules, IMHO.  If memory serves me 
correctly vampires and werewolves were originally one and the same 
creature in Slavic mythology anyway; the distinction between them is an 
artifact of Victorian horror and the films of the Lugosi/Karloff era.  
But since much of Glantri and Karameikos' culture and politics is based 
around the distinction, we ought to keep them separate.

m@2

 > > 3) Did 
somebody there create stats for undead PCs using the rules > from Gaz10
> or the PC series ?
> 
> I know that Ravenloft is publishing a module soon that shows stats 
> and everything to use undead as PCs in a campaign. I'm not sure when 
> exactly it comes out, but i think it's part 3 of 3 of a set of Azalin 
> modules that are all being released this year.
> 
> __________________________________
> -tim                 mrru13a@prodigy.com
> 

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Herve MUSSEAU wrote:

> Gabriele Ferri wrote:
> > 
> > hi everybody
> > In the last game session, a player of mine asked if there is a nation ruled by druids. I answered that the character doesn't know anything about it; but the player wanted to ask a scholar about it. He will do it in the next session, but I'm stuck on it. I don't know what he has planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
> > Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?
> > 
> > thanks a lot
> > 
> > Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
> 
> IIRC the Kingdom of Eusdria on the Savage Coast is a druid-nation. I
> don't think there is another one, although there are druids evrywhere,
> and nature-loving cultures (like the elves of Alfheim).
> 
> -- 
> Herve Musseau
> Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
> Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh
> 


You mean Robrenn, which is next to Eusdria. Eusdrians are Antalian types 
who have clerics and worship Norse Gods.  Robrennish are Celtic types and 
have Druids (as well as Bards and other bits of Celtic flavor).

m@2

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> > That being said, I agree that Mystara (at least in what as been written 
> > about it so far) tends to have a disproportionately Western bias, as do 
> > many roleplaying worlds.  But let's fix that not by setting up a 
> > China-and-Japan bias instead, but by really throwing in everything under 
> > the sun.  The Suma'a demi-ogres sound like they have great potential, as 
> > well as the Minaeans.  I wasn't kidding about the Amazon Samurai of Zyxl, 
> > either ...  Something else I'd like to see is more stuff based on South 
> > and Central American cultures.  The Azcans and Oltecs in the Hollow World 
> > are cool, but they should have some descendants on the outer world 
> > somewhere ... my vote is western and central davania or maybe the Arm of 
> > God (Immortals' Arm, sorry) or even Skothar.  What if there were a 
> > China-like culture in direct conflict or maybe trade with an Inca-like 
> > culture?  It's the juxtapositions that really make Mystara cool.
> 
> Yes, I agree. As a matter of fact, I've been thinking about locating a
> teixeiran colony in Davania. Teixeiras is based on Portugal and has
> started colonizing other lands as the portuguese did (correct me if the
> country is wrong, I am not with my books now). As a brazilian, I have
> always considered reproducing Brazil's colonial history (and our
> folklore, monsters included) somewhere in Davania (Davania is the southern
> continent, right?) I am not sure when I will start it, but I will post it
> as soon as I have done something.
> 
> Andre Martins
> 
> 
> 
> 

I would love to see that!  I wrote a post yesterday about the age of 
colonialism and your M-Brazil (if I can call it that) would be exactly 
what I had in mind.  Do you know where you would set it in Davania 
specifically?  If I could make a suggestion, you might be interested to 
look at the old Master rules map which has something called "The 
Matriarchy of Pelatan" in the western lobe of Davania.  My twisted mind 
has always thought: Matriarchy=female rule=Amazons(sort of)= Amazon river 
basin, plus that part of Davania corresponds tectonically to south 
america, so that would be a perfect location for M-Brazil.  only problem 
is, I think the dorks at TSR have covered that area with a desert on more 
recent maps, but I'm not too sure about that.  I have a question also: 
What happens when Teixeiran sailors (and others from the savage coast) 
start colonizing the hinterlands area and come into conflict with the 
Thyatins (and maybe the Ierendi and Minrothaddans can come in here too)?  
Seems to me that Mystara is ripe for and Age of Piracy ...

m@2

------------------------------

From: Jody Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 14:48:31 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] MOrient call for development team members

Naveen Garg writes:
> 
> Please take me off the list. - Thanks!

        You never asked to be on the team... So it's not a problem.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive!"
Carleton U.
Computer Science, Software
Email addresses: jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
                 cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
                               
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:

> <<<
>  I don't know what he has =
> planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
> Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?>>>
> 
> IMC's i don't have a druidic nation, but i do have a druidic island 
> that serves as a meeting place for druids of all types (forest, 
> dessert, swamp, etc.). Most inexperienced druids (1-9 level) druids 
> don't know of it, and scholars don't know about it. A scholar in my 
> campaign would tell him that these things are protected and sacred to 
> all the druids in Mystara, and the best way to find it, would be from 
> another druid.
> 
> _________________________________________
> -Tim                  mrru13a@prodigy.com
> 

Where is this island, if an alien DM may ask out of curiosity?  
Oh, and you also triggered something else in my memory:  White Island in 
the Ierendi chain, while not an independent nation, is a self-contained 
society composed entirely of Druids.  But outside scholars probably 
wouldn't know anything about it that would be useful to PC's.  Whoever 
asked originally should check the Ierendi GAZ.

m@2


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #208
*****************************



mystara-digest           Sunday, 15 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 209


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Jody Duncan <jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 14:53:19 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

Peter Balazs writes:
> 
> >     Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> > we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> > thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> > soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
> > anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> > I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> > MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!
> 
> What would I have to do as a "member of the team"? I would like to read it,
> and search for logical and other mistakes. I now have been dming a "Known
> World"-campaign for at least 8 years! I could try to find out, if it=B4s
> fiting at least my view of Mystara!

        Well, I'd suggest you wait for the final product then, although I
have no idea how long it will be in coming... The material I'm going to be
giving the team members is just a compilation of ideas thrown around on
the list, i've stripped it of most of the off-topic material and organized
them into text files based on content, so all material on the same topic
is in the same file. Along with those files I'll be giving a short
discussion/questionaire on the major issues that need to be resolved so
that we can get a consensus on what direction we ( referring to the team
members ) wish to take the team.... I'm almost ready....

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Just Glad To Be Here Happy To Be Alive!"
Carleton U.
Computer Science, Software
Email addresses: jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca
                 cq793@freenet.carleton.ca
                               
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:32:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

Something I forgot in my previous posting about Druids: there's an island in
the Ierendi archipelago with access restricted to druids only, but don't
remember the name now.

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:37:27 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

At 14.32 12/09/96 -0400, you wrote:

>
>One of my players brought up an interesting question during character
>creation though, is there a Great Druid in the Known World area?  If so
>who?  Maud (Great Druid in Robrenn) controls the region from the Orc's
>head to the Serpent penninsula.  So who gets east of there?  I kind of
>pushed it off saying if he got that far I'd worry about it then, but its
>still an interesting question.
>
Maybe there's a Great Druid in that island in Ierendi, or perhaps a Great
Druid can dwell in the Canolbarth Forest working with elves (obviously
before WotI).

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:25:58 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

At 11.09 12/09/96 +-200, you wrote:
>hi everybody
>In the last game session, a player of mine asked if there is a nation ruled
by druids. I answered that the character doesn't know anything about it; but
the player wanted to ask a scholar about it. He will do it in the next
session, but I'm stuck on it. I don't know what he has planned (he is a
cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
>Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?
>

There's the confederated Kingdom of Robrenn in the Savage Coast.
You'll find info on it in the recently published Savage Coast campaign book
available on-line at MPGN.com
IIRC Robrenn is a Gallic-like kingdom ruled by druids, do you remember
Asterix and Obelix ? :-)

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:26:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

At 20.54 11/09/96 -0400, Bob Kaelin wrote:

>
>>1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract Lychantropy
>>and retain their former powers ?
>
>I'd say no.  As usual I've got a simple answer and a complicated one.

That's also my opinion.
>
>The simple one, undead are immune to all diseases and poisons.  True,
>lycanthropy is no ordinary disease, but it's not that powerful compared to
>the magics that hold a vampire, or lich together.
>
>The complicated one...lycanthropy is passed on when grevious wounds are
>commited by the creatures claws and bits.  So it's probably something in
>the creatures silava that gets into the victims circulatory system that
>passes on the disease.  Undead, being by definition...dead, have no working
>circualtory system so they can't be infected by it.  (We can debate whether
>or not vampires circulate the blood they drink at a later time.)  :-)

Right. PC4 says that the disease is trasmitted trough werecreature saliva
and the virus must get into the victim's bloodstream, so no chance for
undead, but there's another way of transmitting the disease: lychantropy may
be inherited from lychantropic parents (check PC4 page 11) and this brings
us to point 2...

>
>>2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their former
>>powers ?
>
>This intruiges me .  I don't see why not.  Having carried the disease with
>them into undeath it's certainly possible liches can account for that in
>their transformation  and still possess the power to transform.  (They may
>have to use a diffrent formula for lichdom then a human would, but probably
>only slightly different.)
>
>If you use the different types of lycanthropes, True and Infected, I'd
>probably say only true ones could become liches.

What you mean with "True" and "Infected" ?

>
>Whether or not vampires carry their powers over is probably a moot point.
>Vampires can change forms at will, and have better immunities and summoning
>capabilties then lycanthropes.  It's possible a vampire/were-wolf could
>summon more wolves then usual, or transform into a massive wolf beyond it's
>kin's abilitiies, though.
>

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 17:03:23 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

> > hi everybody
> > In the last game session, a player of mine asked if there is a nation ruled by druids. I answered that the character doesn't know anything about it; but the player wanted to ask a scholar about it. He will do it in the next session, but I'm stuck on i
t.>  I don't know what he has planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.
> > Does anybody knows if actually there is a druid-nation?
> > 
> > thanks a lot
> > 
> > Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it
> 
> IIRC the Kingdom of Eusdria on the Savage Coast is a druid-nation. I
> don't think there is another one, although there are druids evrywhere,
> and nature-loving cultures (like the elves of Alfheim).

        Actually, I beleive the Druid-ruled nation is Robrenn, which lies
to the east of Eusdria - which is a more Viking-oriented nation.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:51:14 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

At 10.58 13/09/96 -0700, Matthew Levy wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:
>
>> 1) Can undead (at least Vampires, Nosferatus, Lichs...) contract 
>> Lychantropy
>> and retain their former powers ?
>> 
>> I believe most/all undead are immune to diseases such as Lycanthropy.
>> 
>> 
>> 2) Can werecreatures become undead (e.g. lichs) and retain their 
>> former powers ?
>> 
>> I've been looking for a way to "Animate Lycanthropes", and searched 
>> in the Necromancer's sourcebook, and other source books and found 
>> nothing (need it for a NPC). I'm now just creating the spell and 
>> stats for an undead lycanthrope.
>
>It occurs to me on this point: Why would you want to have undead 
>lycanthropes?  Wel, the main appeal of lycanthropes has always been that 
>they can assume human form and thus have surprise value.  This would not 
>be effective for any undead lycanthrope *except* for vampires, who can 
>appear human also.  But in this case you just get a duplication of powers 
>- meaning that the only real appeal of a lycanthropic vampire over a 
>normal vampire is that it has a shapechange power ... which of course 
>vampires (according to certain versions) have anyway.  Meaning that there 
>is NO DIFFERENCE between a vampire/werewolf and a standard vampire.  
>Other lycanthrope types (except for werebat) would add only a new form 
>for shapechanging, which is hardly something to write home about.  Anyway 
>the point here is that more powerful does not always equal more fun and 
>we should all resist the temptation to add things just because they are 
>not specifically prohibited by the rules, IMHO.  If memory serves me 
>correctly vampires and werewolves were originally one and the same 
>creature in Slavic mythology anyway; the distinction between them is an 
>artifact of Victorian horror and the films of the Lugosi/Karloff era.  
>But since much of Glantri and Karameikos' culture and politics is based 
>around the distinction, we ought to keep them separate.
>
Actually I'm not interested in having undead-lychantropes, my question was
esclusively academical, just to know how to behave when a lychantrope bites
an undead... a quite common event in Karameikos.
I wasn't thinking to create a new monster, just trying to figures out what
happens everyday in Mystara...

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Robert Kaelin <kaelin@natural.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:57:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Vampires and Lychantropes

>>Of anyone owning both PC4 Night Howlers and Van Richten's Guide to
>>Werebeasts, I ask the following:  having PC4 but not the Guide to
>>Werebeasts, is there sufficient intregratable info in the latter to justify
>>buying it, or does it overlap or conflict with PC4 too much?
>>
>>Thanks

You can't do any better then PC4 for Mystaran Lycanthropes.  It fits into
the world, has lycanthropic Immortals and Immortal lycanthrop hunters,
towns etc.  It even gives the timeline for lycanthrop-centered activities
during the years 1000AC - 1010 AC.

Van Richten's guide to lycanthropes was frankly, a dissapointment.  (And
this is coming from someone who considers VR's guides to the vampire and
lich as 2 of the best supplements for any D&D...Well maybe after the
Glantri Gaz.  :-) )

At some points they also seem to run out of things to talk about and so go
on and on about trivial matters.  There's 2 full pages with pictures of
tracks that different lycanthrope types leave (most at actual size).

It does draw distinctions between 2 types of lycanthropes  True (who are
natural lycanthropes, born to their conition with full control of their
powers) and Infected (the standard type that usually has no control over
their transformation.)  This is the biggest difference between the 2
systems.

Both cover the basic details you'd expect about lycanthropes.  (Why it
transforms, when it does, how to cure lycanthropy, how it's transmitted,
etc.)

Where Van Richten's guide shines (as do most of VR's guides) is in
role-playing terms.  Because it's Van Richten relating tales of his
battles/encounters with lycanthropes it's mostly told in story fashion,
very little of it are stats.  (So it'd be very easy to transfer it to
Mystara and OD&D)  It gives some perspective from the lycanthropes side of
things, mostly however it details how to track and defeat them, instead of
playing them.

If your running a heavily lycanthrope intensive campaign, it could be a
worthwhile purchase.  It might spark some imagination, or give you slightly
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:21 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id BAA29821; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:45:56 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA12880 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 10:27:45 -0500
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 10:27:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199609151527.KAA12880@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #209
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 146a3bc8bed9c4f7d527d51ccc2e39c4
Status: RO

more insight into the darker and more tormented side of lycanthropes.
(It's probably best for a campaign where the players are tortured by the
fact that they are lycanthropes, not well-adjusted lycanthrope-adventurers
like a good number of Mystaran lycanthropes are.)

If you don't use lycanthropes often, get it only if you don't mind paying
$11 for a book you'll probably read once then forget about.   It's not
really the worst of the Van Richten's series.  (I think the Fiend's one is
horrible, and the Created one pretty poor.)  But it's only a shadow of PC4,
especially for a Mystara campaign.

Hope this helps,

- -Bob



------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 96 14:50:46 EDT
Subject: [Mystara] Davania

> I would love to see that!  I wrote a post yesterday about the age of 
> colonialism and your M-Brazil (if I can call it that) would be exactly 
> what I had in mind.  Do you know where you would set it in Davania 
> specifically?  If I could make a suggestion, you might be interested to 
> look at the old Master rules map which has something called "The 
> Matriarchy of Pelatan" in the western lobe of Davania.  My twisted mind 
> has always thought: Matriarchy=female rule=Amazons(sort of)= Amazon river 
> basin, plus that part of Davania corresponds tectonically to south 
> america, so that would be a perfect location for M-Brazil.  only problem 
> is, I think the dorks at TSR have covered that area with a desert on more 
> recent maps, but I'm not too sure about that.  I have a question also: 
> What happens when Teixeiran sailors (and others from the savage coast) 
> start colonizing the hinterlands area and come into conflict with the 
> Thyatins (and maybe the Ierendi and Minrothaddans can come in here too)?  
> Seems to me that Mystara is ripe for and Age of Piracy ...
> 

        If you want to situate a South American (MBrazil) style culture on
Davania, may I suggest the Addakian Sound as an ideal cultural centre.  If
you look on the Hollow World colour map of Mystara, it is a rich arm of
tropical ocean bounded on each side by a fertile strip of coastline, which
is in turn sandwiched by the Izondian desert in the west and the Aryptian
Basin in the east.  Since it would be effectively cut off from the KW by
the extremely high Addakian Mountains, and the Meghales Amosses Desert -
otherwise the northern Aryptian Basin (as described in PWA2), an
enterprising seafaring culture would be ideal here. 
        What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
the colonial oppressors out.
        This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
plus new monsters, no doubt).

        This is just my two cents' worth.  I've been developing Davania as
a place for exploration for a few months now, and I've created a detailled
map of the Addakian Sound region, and all areas north on that continent. 
Let me know what you think of this suggestion.

                                        Thanks,

                                        Geoff

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 17:57:00, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Undead Lychantropes?

<<<<<
It occurs to me on this point: Why would you want to have undead 
lycanthropes?  Wel, the main appeal of lycanthropes has always been 
that 
they can assume human form and thus have surprise value.  This would 
not 
be effective for any undead lycanthrope *except* for vampires, who 
can 
appear human also.  But in this case you just get a duplication of 
powers >>>

Actually, lycanthropes can pose more benefits than just their 
disguise. Thier attributes rise (str. for werewolf, dex. for werefox 
etc.). Also, they may spread a disease. Not to mention, throwing 
priests off balence seeing something like this.

____________________________________________
- -tim                      mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: Shelby Michlin <shelby7@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 96 18:41:42 -0500
Subject: [Mystara] Forwarding a Post from rec.games.frp.dnd

- -- [ From: Shelby Michlin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

I thought this might be of interest to the list:


Article: 157820
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd
From: tsrbruce@aol.com (TSR Bruce)
Subject: Mystara & Red Steel
Date: 14 Sep 1996 14:16:16 -0400

Anyone interested in either Mystara Known World or Red Steel's Savage
Coast?

Bruce Heard


Wonder what Bruce is up to? Couldn't hurt to email him, don't you think?
Shelby Michlin

------------------------------

From: Pascal Legrand <plegrand@pratique.fr>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 10:03:29 +-200
Subject: RE: [Mystara] corrections

Joe Duncan said :
>       Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there 
is
> anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!
        
        Yes I want to be a part of it. I know sometimes ago I said I'll post stuff 
about New Averoigne and Deep Gnolls but free time is a rare thing.
        However about Gnolls I've found an article about them on the Web, so I 
have to read it well to not plagiarize it. New Averoigne is coming and I 
thing it will be long in Ko...
        About MOrient I don't know how you made up each team but if there's one 
about gods (sorry Immortals), religion (sorry philosophy) and mythology I 
want to be of it.

        Au revoir

        Pascal

begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
M>)\^(BT(`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0`
M`@````(``@`!!) &``P!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/
M`0```#\`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!M>7-T87)A+6Q :6\N
M8V]M`%--5% `;7ES=&%R82UL0&EO+F-O;0``'@`", $````%````4TU44 ``
M```>``,P`0```!$```!M>7-T87)A+6Q :6\N8V]M``````,`%0P!`````P#^
M#P8````>``$P`0```!,````G;7ES=&%R82UL0&EO+F-O;2<```(!"S !````
M%@```%--5% Z35E35$%202U,0$E/+D-/30````,``#D`````"P! .@$````"
M`?8/`0````0````````#T"P!"( '`!@```!)4$TN36EC<F]S;V9T($UA:6PN
M3F]T90`Q" $$@ $`&@```%)%.B!;37ES=&%R85T@8V]R<F5C=&EO;G,`50D!
M!8 #``X```#,!PD`#P`*``,`'0```!4!`2" `P`.````S <)``\`"0`Y`"(`
M``!/`0$)@ $`(0```# X-$(V,45&1#@P140P,3$X-S$P-#0T-34S-30P,# P
M`,D&`0.0!@`P!0``$@````L`(P```````P`F```````+`"D```````,`-@``
M````0 `Y`$!/>&'<HKL!'@!P``$````:````4D4Z(%M->7-T87)A72!C;W)R
M96-T:6]N<P````(!<0`!````%@````&[HMQA7^]A2PD.V!'0AQ!$15-4````
M`!X`'@P!````! ```$9!6 `>`!\,`0````T````K,S,@-#@T.#4Q,C,`````
M`P`&$)+A+VD#``<0^P(``!X`"! !````90```$I/14153D-!3E-!240Z4U!%
M04M)3D=/1E=(24-(+$E-04Q-3U-41DE.25-(141/4D=!3DE:24Y'5$A%34%4
M15))04Q7159%04Q214%$64=%3D52051%1$].5$A%34]2245.5"@``````@$)
M$ $```"\`P``N ,``,H%``!,6D9UWJ]A$?\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R"0(`
M8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P<D)Q$>)S=&5M`H,SMP+D!Q,"@S02S!3%
M?0J BPC/"=D[%Y(R-347[ <6P0VB"V!N9S$P,RXV"OL58@P!8P! ($J ;V4@
M1'5N8P.1HG,+<&0@.@M*,1KQFP-@$]!C!4 *BVQI&N#?#? +5111"_(>ACX#
M, &1(08`<&5A:PN 9R! ;V8@=VAI$7 LX"!))VT@!T $8!/ ;"!F"X $`&@)
M@"* <E)G`'!I>B)2="0P(!\`P!/0!R(*A2&0=V4G#G8<H = %Z!A9'D@?F<)
M\ 20)7$D40.@)2)-ID\(@0(P("@F82 1@($FHB J3$]4*B50[P6P'* E( .1
M227G)2 (8*QG: 5 *0%D'5$I(V#6;AU@(S!L`R!B'* 7H44$`'0%$&)U=")2
M:7D%0'1O)1,-L":@%S!P5P> *+$3T&$C47,EYW.N;R?Q+[ C(V0"(&4C$&\M
MD2S1`A J(4DQ$2I"=+DC%&=O).,N0"^P:R-@_R20"X M\"*@)2$J(00`)>?U
M`'!Y,3$@+M 1L"?F']!_([$BP"Y `_$D, 0@+C%J5S,Q)1,O8C\<<'4CL65^
M+0# `Q$'@"Q")><LDW#K,9$UL'4Q$7<PDRF !X"_!M $D#!1.Q(LHA>@8PB0
MNRE3!:!P)S BD24B*B1U'0F *B7G*&8E9BX@5#$J86MS(091'*!Y8;XA"H<;
M?R&S"H8APED'D?TR,'<`<"X3+.$I@ JQ!4#/(I$N`$"P,C!K;CMP,%'_!X M
ML >",_ N0#(P'3,ZE/LCHA/ =0W0(V &X#&1!\)F02:@`V!I9S71+%)$\0G@
M<"!'1I LL 0@,8+_`U!!84<2--$I<2>0*B,B4?HN0[I(.W NL07 221*]?\C
M,":A`A <T!U@`Y%%L2+@/FPFL4DS)2$C4"?U5V7^8B,0/'$R,"DS+C$F\BWR
MOR9P++$N,4:0!4 +46<',+\%$#[@1A-)C$Q!!:!M(E+_+%-,U%,S`Q LPQ<P
M+=(#H-A+;RY8L$.Z04DS*&;Y,C)N)P5 1H,K4 ?@.R+S`, -L"!U2M B(!%P
M+U1[,8(T5B<$(#7"220S(&0E!" H,&!R<B<P26WW*@$!D#80*2,0%Z ?T%1@
M>R?Q7M5P(M 7,#!@80!YV2PT;7DK01<P9U\A1,K?1?0*A5CK.T 7H'8S,&0G
M_4.Z4"^P'/ 7@$)/'GX6P0(`:9 #`! 0``````,`$1 `````0 `',"#@T8W;
EHKL!0 `(,"#@T8W;HKL!'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( ````#_?@`'
`
end


------------------------------

From: Estlor <estlor@geocities.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:44:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] corrections

Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:
> 
>                        Postage paid by: [Image]
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Jody Duncan wrote:
> 
> >       Speaking of which, I'm almost finished organizing the material
> > we've already generated on the MOrient ( we have a *LOT* more than I
> > thought we did ) and I'll be redistributing it to the development team as
> > soon as I'm done, but before I do that, I'm going to ask again if there is
> > anyone else on the list who wishes to join the team? Just e-mail me and
> > I'll put you down as a member so you'll recieve a copy of the *organized*
> > MOrient material. Thanks! See ya!

Hmm...I'd like to have a look at that stuff when you're finished.  Can't
promise much additional help though...will have to wait and see.

estlor@geocities.com
Estlor

------------------------------

From: Estlor <estlor@geocities.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 00:13:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

I had a player who wanted to have all the Druid stuff in the general
area of the Known World, so I just modified Ochalea to be Druid
controlled instead of Priest controlled.  And I made that island's ruler
the one Great Druid of the Known World.  Sure, its a stretch, but none
of my players new anything about Mystara when we started, so I could
make such things up : ).

Estlor

------------------------------

From: Estlor <estlor@geocities.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 00:03:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

[Maximum snippage]

> Do you know if something similar is available for the KW ?
> I think that Glantri has an hourglass on his Coat of Arms, and Minrothad has
> a scale...
> Can someone put together a complete list ?

Okay, here goes (and I reserve the right to be wrong on any country):

Atruaghin: White shield with the orange head of a wolf.
Alfheim (pre-Aengmor): Green shield with a white tree.
Broken Lands: Red shield with a twisted dagger at the bottom pointing
up      and a helmet with horns at the top.
Darokin: Black shield with a yellow circle in the center.
Ethenger: Green shield with the head of a stallion in yellow.
Five Shires: Orange Shield with five pieces of wheat.
Glantri: Red shield with 13 partial or whole hour-glasses in yellow.
Heldannic Territories: White shield with a midieval-looking lion in     
black (side view).
Ierendi: Half white (top), half blue (bottom) shield with a sea-serpent 
in dark blue along the border of white and blue.
Karameikos: White shield with a blue ship near the top and a dagger     
below it.
Minrothad: Shield with half white (top) and half blue (bottom)  and a   
scale in black with three black stars to the left and two to the        right
(all in the white half).
Ostland: Yellow shield with the red head of a boar facing to the left.
Rockhome: Red shield with a white falcon facing left at the top and two 
crossed hammers in white below it.
Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.
Soderfjord: Blue and white checker-board shield.
Thyatis: Purple shield with a white eagle-like bird, head turned to the 
left.
Vestland: Black shield with the side of a green dragon facing left.
Wendar: Green shield with a white pine tree.
Ylaruam: Half red (top), half yellow (bottom) shield with a "U"-like
symbol (perhaps a moon phase?) in white.

And for one to grow on:

MYSTARA: White shield with a red dragon on it (dragon looks like the
black printed dragon at the beginning of each chapter in the MYSTARA
novels).

        If only I had a scanner I could put these up...they are all from the
*GASP* Karameikos, Kingdom of Adventure box (see, it has had one use).

Estlor

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #209
*****************************



mystara-digest           Monday, 16 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 210


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> > I would love to see that!  I wrote a post yesterday about the age of 
> > colonialism and your M-Brazil (if I can call it that) would be exactly 
> > what I had in mind.  Do you know where you would set it in Davania 
> > specifically?  If I could make a suggestion, you might be interested to 
> > look at the old Master rules map which has something called "The 
> > Matriarchy of Pelatan" in the western lobe of Davania.  My twisted mind 
> > has always thought: Matriarchy=female rule=Amazons(sort of)= Amazon river 
> > basin, plus that part of Davania corresponds tectonically to south 
> > america, so that would be a perfect location for M-Brazil.  only problem 
> > is, I think the dorks at TSR have covered that area with a desert on more 
> > recent maps, but I'm not too sure about that.  I have a question also: 
> > What happens when Teixeiran sailors (and others from the savage coast) 
> > start colonizing the hinterlands area and come into conflict with the 
> > Thyatins (and maybe the Ierendi and Minrothaddans can come in here too)?  
> > Seems to me that Mystara is ripe for and Age of Piracy ...
> > 
> 
>       If you want to situate a South American (MBrazil) style culture on
> Davania, may I suggest the Addakian Sound as an ideal cultural centre.  If
> you look on the Hollow World colour map of Mystara, it is a rich arm of
> tropical ocean bounded on each side by a fertile strip of coastline, which
> is in turn sandwiched by the Izondian desert in the west and the Aryptian
> Basin in the east.  Since it would be effectively cut off from the KW by
> the extremely high Addakian Mountains, and the Meghales Amosses Desert -
> otherwise the northern Aryptian Basin (as described in PWA2), an
> enterprising seafaring culture would be ideal here. 
>       What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
> Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
> decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
> control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
> effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
> be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
> money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
> as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
> the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
> current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
> and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
> an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
> the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
> tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
> nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
> natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
> the colonial oppressors out.
>       This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
> sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
> plus new monsters, no doubt).
> 
>       This is just my two cents' worth.  I've been developing Davania as
> a place for exploration for a few months now, and I've created a detailled
> map of the Addakian Sound region, and all areas north on that continent. 
> Let me know what you think of this suggestion.
> 
>                                       Thanks,
> 
>                                       Geoff
> 


Interesting!  I like what you've said a lot, although my initial idea had
been that the colonization was just beginning, as opposed to having
started a couple centuries back ... but that works too.  Is there any way
you could send up the map that you have, or at least tell us all some
details from it?  This does sound pretty close to the Pelatan that I had
imagined ... I have trouble remembering the exact geography because I
don't have my maps handy.  Another "funny kick" along the Amazon theme is
that the culture of the Meghalan city-states is descended from the
Milenians; i.e. it is M-Greek.  The Greeks were the source of the story of
the Amazons which gave the river its name (in a roundabout way).  Why not
have M-Brazil as having had brief sporadic contact with these cities
across the Meghales Amosses in the past, and borrowing little bits and
pieces?  Now we get Greek-Brazilian-Portuguese making it have that little
Mystara twist. Another thing is, much of the population of modern Brazil
is descended not from native south Americans nor from the Portuguese, but
from African slaves.  My present sub-campaign in Mystara is centered
around a struggle between Ierendi and Thyatis for control of the slave
trade from Yavdlom, which has become corrupt as it has fallen under the
control of outside influences.  The divinarchs are in a bad position
between powerful families who are allied with Ierendi, Thyatis, Minrothad,
Vilaverde, and Hule, all of whom shift allegiances back and forth in a big
chess game.  Currently Ierendi and Hule have become allied (!) which has
sparked civil war between various Yavi factions, and the Divinarch (Bwana
Ramla) has been assassinated.  Each side wants to defeat its enemies and
sell them into slavery to foreign traders, who might be taking them to
M-Brazil or perhaps the Hinterlands to work on plantations, in mines, etc.
Hule is of course playing all sides against each other, hoping a naval
stalemate will allow its land forces to conquer Yavdlom outright, perhaps
with aid from Ierendi and occupied Sind.  Except for the Hule bit, this is
all pretty close to the historical realities of the West African slave
trade that brought so many Africans to South and North America during the
age of colonisation.  It should fit well into a Texeiran based Brazilian
campaign.

m@2


------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:11:25 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

>> > What happens when Teixeiran sailors (and others from the savage coast) 
>> > start colonizing the hinterlands area and come into conflict with the 
>> > Thyatins (and maybe the Ierendi and Minrothaddans can come in here too)?  
>> > Seems to me that Mystara is ripe for and Age of Piracy ...
IIRC, Narvaez still considers themselves to be Thyatian allies.  It makes
the most sense to me if the navy which Baron Hugo of Narvaez has been
working so hard on is the first to "discover" Davania, possibly with
assistance from Torreon.  This more closely parrallels true Earth history
where the Spanish were the first in the Americas.  It would make sense to me
if Narvaez were to cooperate with Thyatis in the Hinterlands, while
Texeiras/Vilaverde oppose them and form their own Davanian colony (MBrazil).

>>      What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
>> Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
>> decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
>> control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
>> effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
>> be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
>> money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
>> as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
>> the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
>> current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
>> and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
>> an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
>> the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
>> tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
>> nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
>> natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
>> the colonial oppressors out.
>>      This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
>> sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
>> plus new monsters, no doubt).
The biggest problem here is that Vilaverde wasn't founded until AC 903, and
Texeiras came even later.  IMHO Narvaez should begin colonizing/conquering
Davania around 1011, and Texeiras/Vilaverde should begin in MBrazil around
1014.  The description you gave above should be perfect around AC 1120.  I
like your description a lot, though. 

>Interesting!  I like what you've said a lot, although my initial idea had
>been that the colonization was just beginning, as opposed to having
>started a couple centuries back ... but that works too.  Is there any way
>you could send up the map that you have, or at least tell us all some
>details from it?  This does sound pretty close to the Pelatan that I had
>imagined ... I have trouble remembering the exact geography because I
>don't have my maps handy.  Another "funny kick" along the Amazon theme is
>that the culture of the Meghalan city-states is descended from the
>Milenians; i.e. it is M-Greek.  The Greeks were the source of the story of
>the Amazons which gave the river its name (in a roundabout way).  Why not
>have M-Brazil as having had brief sporadic contact with these cities
>across the Meghales Amosses in the past, and borrowing little bits and
>pieces?  Now we get Greek-Brazilian-Portuguese making it have that little
>Mystara twist. Another thing is, much of the population of modern Brazil
>is descended not from native south Americans nor from the Portuguese, but
>from African slaves.  My present sub-campaign in Mystara is centered
>around a struggle between Ierendi and Thyatis for control of the slave
>trade from Yavdlom, which has become corrupt as it has fallen under the
>control of outside influences.  The divinarchs are in a bad position
>between powerful families who are allied with Ierendi, Thyatis, Minrothad,
>Vilaverde, and Hule, all of whom shift allegiances back and forth in a big
>chess game.  Currently Ierendi and Hule have become allied (!) which has
>sparked civil war between various Yavi factions, and the Divinarch (Bwana
>Ramla) has been assassinated.  Each side wants to defeat its enemies and
>sell them into slavery to foreign traders, who might be taking them to
>M-Brazil or perhaps the Hinterlands to work on plantations, in mines, etc.
>Hule is of course playing all sides against each other, hoping a naval
>stalemate will allow its land forces to conquer Yavdlom outright, perhaps
>with aid from Ierendi and occupied Sind.  Except for the Hule bit, this is
>all pretty close to the historical realities of the West African slave
>trade that brought so many Africans to South and North America during the
>age of colonisation.  It should fit well into a Texeiran based Brazilian
>campaign.

This brings a question to my mind about slavery.  It seems that Sind would
be a perfect source for slaves for the Known World, and I believe somewhere
something said that Jaibul was into the Slave trade.  The problem is that
this idea doesn't parallel earth-history.  How have people handled this in
your campaigns?  I'm just curious.

Patrick Sullivan


------------------------------

From: Dave Brohman <dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 23:03:01 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

Estlor writes:

> Okay, here goes (and I reserve the right to be wrong on any country):

<descriptions snipped>

Given some time, I will repost the arms of the KW in proper Heraldric
terms.  It is important to realize that Mystaran Heralsry does not adhere
very closely to the traditional rules of Terran Heraldry.

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Dave Brohman                      E-Mail : dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca
  Carleton University               

  Featuring Alexi Sayle as the Balowski Family.
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:18:26 +-200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

>It is important to realize that Mystaran Heralsry does not adhere
>very closely to the traditional rules of Terran Heraldry.

I think so. I also think that _normal medioeval_ coats of arms are good =
for quite _standard fantasy_ (knight, princesses, ...) nation like =
Karameikos, Heldann's Freeholds, Ostland, Vestland, and so on...
But, IMHO, I think that nations like Glantri, Hule, Minrothad should =
have something different. I don't know, a banner, a complicated =
tapestry.=20

Speaking about Glantri, what about something magical like a sphere =
floating in the air who, controlled by the general, leads the army in =
battle.=20
OK, the sphere isn't very useful, I know. It was just an example...

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:51:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Druids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:

> >If you want more info look up the Savage Coast rulebook on MPGN, its
> >better than both the books TSR published and charged about $60 total for,
> >has all the same info AFAI can tell, and its free.
> 
>         Out of curiosity, in what way is it "better"?  Does it provide more
> information than the published Red Steel and Savage Baronies products?
>

Yes.  The lizard men (Shazak, Gurrash, Caymen) are given as PC's.  More of
the area is detailed (Robrenn, Eusdria, Nimmur, Shazak, Ator, Cay).  They
added some new proficiencies (like Panache which is an interesting way of
dealing with swashbucklers without kits).  Its all in one book (3 files,
but you could make them one easily). And of course its FREE.

> Thanks,
> 
> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
> ~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
> ~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
> ~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
> \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
> 


------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:59:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

>       If only I had a scanner I could put these up...they are all from the
> *GASP* Karameikos, Kingdom of Adventure box (see, it has had one use).
> 
> Estlor
> 
Incidently, has any one noticed that there doesn't appear to be any
mention of GAZ1 in the legal mumbo jumbo at the beginning of the books in
that set?  At least I haven't found one.  According to TSR's legal
department shouldn't it say some thing about being derived from GAZ1?
Even the Ninja's handbook mentions OA, even if they didn't pull art and
text directly from it.

Just thought some people might find that interesting.




------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:08:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mutating 'Noids

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Scott Johnson wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Herve MUSSEAU wrote:
> 
> > Well, IIRC, Hel abandoned the stuff about reincarnating evil souls
> > (which is why Ka transported some of them to the HW), so that now the
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:33 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id LAA26323; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:36:00 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA24599 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:33:15 -0500
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:33:15 -0500
Message-Id: <199609170033.TAA24599@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #210
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 5fa555883e2958b8e3c7ae81bc481d7c
Status: RO

> > humanoids breed true. Thus they no more have any reason to be evil or
> > chaotic, except for their cultural heritage (and, some might add,
> > genetic heritage). The Beastmen from the HW are supported by Ka, and not
> > Hel anymore, and thus are not reincarnated evil souls either, although
> > they still don't breed true (because of Ka's immortal magic). But as the
> > Karameikan Polar Expedition can agree upon, they are definetly not evil.
> 
> I think you're wrong here - as I recall, the Beastman entry says that the
> Beastmen are no longer the reincarnations of evil beings, but the
> humanoids are - which is supported by the bits in GAZ10 which suggest that
> if a humanoid makes it to 30th level, the humanoid immortals will come to
> it in a dream and reveal the fact of reincarnation (and possibly the
> humanoid's prior life).  The Beastmen are definitely non-reincarnated, but
> I think their entry in the HW set specifically states that their
> descendants on the outer world, the humanoids, are still reincarnations.
> Unfortunately, all my HW material is several states away at the moment, so
> I can't check.  Anyone with the boxed set handy willing to clear this up?
> 
> --
> Scott Johnson |
> zagyg@io.com  |           This space intentionally left blank.
> 
According to the HW entry on Beastmen, they began to breed true on the
outer world after the Great Rain of Fire.  So Ka had a group migrate to
the HW, since they were close to the polar opening.  He altered these
beastmen to never breed true.  The beastmen occasionally travel to the
outer world, but never mention where they are from.  It says nothing of
what happened to their outer world counter parts.  It does say that the HW
magic prevents Hel from using the HW beastmen for their original purpose.



------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:28:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mystara] Re: Mystara/Red Steel (fwd)

In response to Shelby Michlin's post the other day, I sent Bruce Heard an 
email telling him about the list, et al, and here's the response I got 
from him. Hopefully we'll be hearing more from him soon! :)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:00:05 -0400
From: TSRBruce@aol.com
To: jsmill@imap1.asu.edu
Subject: Re: Mystara/Red Steel

Hi Andrew!

Thanks for your E-Mail. I glad to hear you guys still enjoy tinkering with
Mystara. I've saved your E-Mail and I'll probably drop by someday. Just give
some time to get used to the internet first. It might take me a while to
recover my bearings around here!  :)

Bruce Heard



------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@snfma1.if.usp.br>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:09:30 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> I would love to see that!  I wrote a post yesterday about the age of 
> colonialism and your M-Brazil (if I can call it that) would be exactly 
> what I had in mind.  Do you know where you would set it in Davania 
> specifically?  If I could make a suggestion, you might be interested to 
> look at the old Master rules map which has something called "The 
> Matriarchy of Pelatan" in the western lobe of Davania.  My twisted mind 
> has always thought: Matriarchy=female rule=Amazons(sort of)= Amazon river 
> basin, plus that part of Davania corresponds tectonically to south 
> america, so that would be a perfect location for M-Brazil.  only problem 
> is, I think the dorks at TSR have covered that area with a desert on more 
> recent maps, but I'm not too sure about that.  I have a question also: 
> What happens when Teixeiran sailors (and others from the savage coast) 
> start colonizing the hinterlands area and come into conflict with the 
> Thyatins (and maybe the Ierendi and Minrothaddans can come in here too)?  
> Seems to me that Mystara is ripe for and Age of Piracy ...

Well, I am sorry to tell you I don't have the old Master rules. The only
map I have of all Davania (that I remember of) is the one in the Rules
Cyclopedia (identical to the Hollow World box, so I wouldn't count it as
two maps). Is the place you mentioned the peninsula northwest from the
Izondian Wall, or all the west coast down to the Pelatan shield (oh, I
found a Pelatan, so the Matriarchy should be down there) along the Bay of
Pelatan? Anyway, see my next posting about this, I am starting to have
many ideas.

Andre



------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@snfma1.if.usp.br>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:44:42 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

>       If you want to situate a South American (MBrazil) style culture on
> Davania, may I suggest the Addakian Sound as an ideal cultural centre.  If
> you look on the Hollow World colour map of Mystara, it is a rich arm of
> tropical ocean bounded on each side by a fertile strip of coastline, which
> is in turn sandwiched by the Izondian desert in the west and the Aryptian
> Basin in the east.  Since it would be effectively cut off from the KW by
> the extremely high Addakian Mountains, and the Meghales Amosses Desert -
> otherwise the northern Aryptian Basin (as described in PWA2), an
> enterprising seafaring culture would be ideal here. 

Sounds good. What about this? Adakkian Sound is a new feature in davanian
geography. 200 years ago, Davania started to split (as South America and
Africa should do). Untill then Izondian Wall and Adakkian Mounts were the
same mountain range and a huge desert (desert of Izonda plus the Aryptian
Basin) wsa all that there existed in the northern half of Davania and one
o the main reasons why no great cultures have come from south Davania and
met the thyatians in the Hinterlands or one of the city-states one of the
Poor Wizard Alamanacs (I don't remember which one) mentions. Now both
deserts have receded from the shore and the Izondian desert is been
replaced by a lush rain forest, due to the new rain patterns. It still
exists in the interior, but it is getting smaller. Groups of natives have
colonized this forests during this time. Technologically, they are still 
at the Stone Age, and they are not organized, so when the teixeiran
arrive, they are ripe for conquest. Soon they have fortress controlling
all of the Adakkian Sound.

>       What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
> Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
> decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
> control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
> effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
> be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
> money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
> as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
> the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
> current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
> and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
> an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
> the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
> tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
> nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
> natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
> the colonial oppressors out.

I think that is going too far to the future. There are lots of potencial
before independence movements. Slave trade would start, based on the
concept that some races possess no soul (btw, which of those countries
have a strong inquisition, is it Teixeiras or Narvaez?). Lizard men, orcs,
ogres, maybe the ee'ar (those flying minotaurs from Dragon 200) and even
gnomes or dwarves would be send to ... (we need a name to MBrazil) to work
on the mines. The geological upheaval have made very rich veins of gold
(mithril, etc, pick as many as you'd like) and gems come to the surface
and there is lots of work. Legends speak of gold cities in the Brasol
Range and many expeditions known as "bandeiras" are been prepared to
explore the continent (Adventurers needed...) Also, many slaves escape
their masters and form huge fortified cities to defend themselves (can you
imagine dwarves and goblins fighting side by side for their freedom?)
called "quilombos". Some quilombos are destroyed as soon as they form, but
some grow up and start destroying the bandeiras sent to recapture the
slaves.

>       This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
> sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
> plus new monsters, no doubt).

The slave problem and a comunity were race is not important as long as you
are fleeing from being a slave, would also do that.

>       This is just my two cents' worth.  I've been developing Davania as
> a place for exploration for a few months now, and I've created a detailled
> map of the Addakian Sound region, and all areas north on that continent. 
> Let me know what you think of this suggestion.

If you can send the map to me, please do it. If you have it on a
home-page, that would be enough.

Andre Martins
acrmarti@fma.if.usp.br



------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 17:55:06 EDT
Subject: [Mystara] Re: Your Last

> >     If you want to situate a South American (MBrazil) style culture on
> > Davania, may I suggest the Addakian Sound as an ideal cultural centre.  If
> > you look on the Hollow World colour map of Mystara, it is a rich arm of
> > tropical ocean bounded on each side by a fertile strip of coastline, which
> > is in turn sandwiched by the Izondian desert in the west and the Aryptian
> > Basin in the east.  Since it would be effectively cut off from the KW by
> > the extremely high Addakian Mountains, and the Meghales Amosses Desert -
> > otherwise the northern Aryptian Basin (as described in PWA2), an
> > enterprising seafaring culture would be ideal here. 
> >     What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
> > Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
> > decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
> > control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
> > effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
> > be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
> > money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
> > as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
> > the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
> > current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
> > and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
> > an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
> > the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
> > tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
> > nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
> > natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
> > the colonial oppressors out.
> >     This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
> > sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
> > plus new monsters, no doubt).
> > 
> >     This is just my two cents' worth.  I've been developing Davania as
> > a place for exploration for a few months now, and I've created a detailled
> > map of the Addakian Sound region, and all areas north on that continent. 
> > Let me know what you think of this suggestion.
> > 
> >                                     Thanks,
> > 
> >                                     Geoff
> > 
> 
> 
> Interesting!  I like what you've said a lot, although my initial idea had
> been that the colonization was just beginning, as opposed to having
> started a couple centuries back ... but that works too.  Is there any way
> you could send up the map that you have, or at least tell us all some
> details from it?  This does sound pretty close to the Pelatan that I had
> imagined ... I have trouble remembering the exact geography because I
> don't have my maps handy.  Another "funny kick" along the Amazon theme is
> that the culture of the Meghalan city-states is descended from the
> Milenians; i.e. it is M-Greek.  The Greeks were the source of the story of
> the Amazons which gave the river its name (in a roundabout way).  Why not
> have M-Brazil as having had brief sporadic contact with these cities
> across the Meghales Amosses in the past, and borrowing little bits and
> pieces?  Now we get Greek-Brazilian-Portuguese making it have that little
> Mystara twist. Another thing is, much of the population of modern Brazil
> is descended not from native south Americans nor from the Portuguese, but
> from African slaves.  My present sub-campaign in Mystara is centered
> around a struggle between Ierendi and Thyatis for control of the slave
> trade from Yavdlom, which has become corrupt as it has fallen under the
> control of outside influences.  The divinarchs are in a bad position
> between powerful families who are allied with Ierendi, Thyatis, Minrothad,
> Vilaverde, and Hule, all of whom shift allegiances back and forth in a big
> chess game.  Currently Ierendi and Hule have become allied (!) which has
> sparked civil war between various Yavi factions, and the Divinarch (Bwana
> Ramla) has been assassinated.  Each side wants to defeat its enemies and
> sell them into slavery to foreign traders, who might be taking them to
> M-Brazil or perhaps the Hinterlands to work on plantations, in mines, etc.
> Hule is of course playing all sides against each other, hoping a naval
> stalemate will allow its land forces to conquer Yavdlom outright, perhaps
> with aid from Ierendi and occupied Sind.  Except for the Hule bit, this is
> all pretty close to the historical realities of the West African slave
> trade that brought so many Africans to South and North America during the
> age of colonisation.  It should fit well into a Texeiran based Brazilian
> campaign.
> 
> m@2

        Why don't you give me your mailing address? I'm going to colour the
map, so as to make it slightly easier to read, and I'm going to write up
some brief descriptions of the new colonial cities I've created in the
Sound.  The scale is 1 hex=72 miles, and I use the TSR hex map legend
system.  If you're interested, and if you're satisfied, I can send you the
additional maps planned for the future (my plan is to map out all of
Davania on this scale - a damn sight better than exists on that world
map!).  Spread this around to any others who want a copy - though I'll
probably want reimbursement for shipping and handling, we'll see.
        The map is finished (just needs colour) and I'm going to make some
copies of it.  The descriptions may take a month or so (hectic schedule). 
If this is all right as an arrangement, let me know.

                                TTYL,

                                Geoff, RPG Cartographer for hire>





- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #210
*****************************


From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:40 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id AAA11564; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:35:32 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28965 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:57:44 -0500
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:57:44 -0500
Message-Id: <199609171357.IAA28965@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #211
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: fb11ca15b85bede9e0101e9028ca4f21


mystara-digest           Tuesday, 17 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 211


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 18:00:39 EDT
Subject: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

> >> > Thyatins (and maybe the Ierendi and Minrothaddans can come in here too)?  
> >> > Seems to me that Mystara is ripe for and Age of Piracy ...
> IIRC, Narvaez still considers themselves to be Thyatian allies.  It makes
> the most sense to me if the navy which Baron Hugo of Narvaez has been
> working so hard on is the first to "discover" Davania, possibly with
> assistance from Torreon.  This more closely parrallels true Earth history
> where the Spanish were the first in the Americas.  It would make sense to me
> if Narvaez were to cooperate with Thyatis in the Hinterlands, while
> Texeiras/Vilaverde oppose them and form their own Davanian colony (MBrazil).

        BTW - Is this in the Red Steel boxed set? The details on Hugo's
ambitions and such, I mean.  The Princess Ark stuff is what I'm using
right now.
> 
> >>    What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
> >> Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
> >> decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
> >> control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
> >> effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
> >> be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
> >> money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
> >> as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
> >> the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
> >> current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
> >> and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
> >> an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
> >> the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
> >> tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
> >> nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
> >> natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
> >> the colonial oppressors out.
> >>    This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
> >> sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
> >> plus new monsters, no doubt).

> The biggest problem here is that Vilaverde wasn't founded until AC 903, and
> Texeiras came even later.  IMHO Narvaez should begin colonizing/conquering
> Davania around 1011, and Texeiras/Vilaverde should begin in MBrazil around
> 1014.  The description you gave above should be perfect around AC 1120.  I
> like your description a lot, though. 

        Does the Red Steel boxed set have a comprehensive timeline?
> 
> >Interesting!  I like what you've said a lot, although my initial idea had
> >been that the colonization was just beginning, as opposed to having
> >started a couple centuries back ... but that works too.  Is there any way
> >you could send up the map that you have, or at least tell us all some
> >details from it?  This does sound pretty close to the Pelatan that I had
> >imagined ... I have trouble remembering the exact geography because I
> >don't have my maps handy.  Another "funny kick" along the Amazon theme is
> >that the culture of the Meghalan city-states is descended from the
> >Milenians; i.e. it is M-Greek.  The Greeks were the source of the story of
> >the Amazons which gave the river its name (in a roundabout way).  Why not
> >have M-Brazil as having had brief sporadic contact with these cities
> >across the Meghales Amosses in the past, and borrowing little bits and
> >pieces?  Now we get Greek-Brazilian-Portuguese making it have that little
> >Mystara twist. Another thing is, much of the population of modern Brazil
> >is descended not from native south Americans nor from the Portuguese, but
> >from African slaves.  My present sub-campaign in Mystara is centered
> >around a struggle between Ierendi and Thyatis for control of the slave
> >trade from Yavdlom, which has become corrupt as it has fallen under the
> >control of outside influences.  The divinarchs are in a bad position
> >between powerful families who are allied with Ierendi, Thyatis, Minrothad,
> >Vilaverde, and Hule, all of whom shift allegiances back and forth in a big
> >chess game.  Currently Ierendi and Hule have become allied (!) which has
> >sparked civil war between various Yavi factions, and the Divinarch (Bwana
> >Ramla) has been assassinated.  Each side wants to defeat its enemies and
> >sell them into slavery to foreign traders, who might be taking them to
> >M-Brazil or perhaps the Hinterlands to work on plantations, in mines, etc.
> >Hule is of course playing all sides against each other, hoping a naval
> >stalemate will allow its land forces to conquer Yavdlom outright, perhaps
> >with aid from Ierendi and occupied Sind.  Except for the Hule bit, this is
> >all pretty close to the historical realities of the West African slave
> >trade that brought so many Africans to South and North America during the
> >age of colonisation.  It should fit well into a Texeiran based Brazilian
> >campaign.
> 
> This brings a question to my mind about slavery.  It seems that Sind would
> be a perfect source for slaves for the Known World, and I believe somewhere
> something said that Jaibul was into the Slave trade.  The problem is that
> this idea doesn't parallel earth-history.  How have people handled this in
> your campaigns?  I'm just curious.
> 
> Patrick Sullivan

        You're right, Jaibul's main industry IS the slave trade - I'm going
to be sending my players there eventually, to test their moral fibre.  I
don't follow Earth history exactly (this is a fantasy world after all, we
don't have to be precise), though I do know from my research in university
that many slaves and other indentured workers from the Indian subcontinent
were sent to British colonies such as the Cape Colony (now part of South
Africa).  It doesn't match precisely, but it's our business to play around
with this world, isn't it? 

                                Just two cents' more,

                                Geoff, Cartographer for hire>





- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:55:44 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

>       BTW - Is this in the Red Steel boxed set? The details on Hugo's
>ambitions and such, I mean.  The Princess Ark stuff is what I'm using
>right now.

I checked the Red Steel and Savage Baronies stuff yesterday.  What I was
thinking of was a passage in the Savage Baronies set that said that in the
unlikely instance that Thyatis were to try to reclaim the Savage Baronies
(originally founded by Thyatian colonists, mainly from Kerendas) Narvaez
would probably cooperate with the Thyatians.  It does detail Baron Hugo's
ambitions about building a naval fleet to rival the sea powers and of
spreading the worship of Ixion.  You should really check out the Savage
Coast stuff online from TSR.  It's not perfect, but it is pretty detailed
and it's free, and it has everything in both bosed sets and more.

>       Does the Red Steel boxed set have a comprehensive timeline?

Several somewhat comprehensive timelines, although they could be better.
They end at AC 1010, "The Present."

>> This brings a question to my mind about slavery.  It seems that Sind would
>> be a perfect source for slaves for the Known World, and I believe somewhere
>> something said that Jaibul was into the Slave trade.  The problem is that
>> this idea doesn't parallel earth-history.  How have people handled this in
>> your campaigns?  I'm just curious.

>       You're right, Jaibul's main industry IS the slave trade - I'm going
>to be sending my players there eventually, to test their moral fibre.  I
>don't follow Earth history exactly (this is a fantasy world after all, we
>don't have to be precise), though I do know from my research in university
>that many slaves and other indentured workers from the Indian subcontinent
>were sent to British colonies such as the Cape Colony (now part of South
>Africa).  It doesn't match precisely, but it's our business to play around
>with this world, isn't it? 

That's what I think!  As far as the coming age of discovery, I was wondering
if anyone has given any thought to what the equivalent of the Brittish
empire will be, or if there will be any.  If Spain and Portugal are somewhat
represented by the Savage Baronies, would Renardy and Bellayne become the
Mystaran versions of the English and French empires?  Or should the Thyatian
colonies on the Isle of Dawn suffice as an equivalent to the Brittish
empire?  Also, would the Master of Hule outlaw the exportation of slaves
from his territories (including Sind)?  It seems that Hule needs all the
people it can gather for its army, and IMC the Master has decided to try to
really back up his claim to the Great Northern Wildlands by sending human
and humanoid settlers up to the Adri Varma Plateau.  The Glantri boxed set
says that this area is claimed by Hule, and It seems like an easy place for
someone evil to marginally conquer through treachery, alliances with the
natives, and settlement.  This would give Hule increased presence on the
flank of Glantri, allow them access to Wendar (would the Master ally with
Denagoth?) and give them more power to keep Sind in line.  But all of this
requires a lot of people, and if the slavers in Jaibul have their run of
Sind, where will the Master get his people?  Just some thoughts :~)
Patrick


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Your Last

> 
>       Why don't you give me your mailing address? I'm going to colour the
> map, so as to make it slightly easier to read, and I'm going to write up
> some brief descriptions of the new colonial cities I've created in the
> Sound.  The scale is 1 hex=72 miles, and I use the TSR hex map legend
> system.  If you're interested, and if you're satisfied, I can send you the
> additional maps planned for the future (my plan is to map out all of
> Davania on this scale - a damn sight better than exists on that world
> map!).  Spread this around to any others who want a copy - though I'll
> probably want reimbursement for shipping and handling, we'll see.
>       The map is finished (just needs colour) and I'm going to make some
> copies of it.  The descriptions may take a month or so (hectic schedule). 
> If this is all right as an arrangement, let me know.
> 
>                               TTYL,
> 
>                               Geoff, RPG Cartographer for hire>
> 

My address is 1233 Verano Place, Irvine, CA 92715.
I won't actually be home until the 24th of this month, but if you still
have a month to go on the descriptions, then I suppose it's irrelevant;  I
am very interested in seeing your map, so keep me posted. 

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:
> 
> Well, I am sorry to tell you I don't have the old Master rules. The only
> map I have of all Davania (that I remember of) is the one in the Rules
> Cyclopedia (identical to the Hollow World box, so I wouldn't count it as
> two maps). Is the place you mentioned the peninsula northwest from the
> Izondian Wall, or all the west coast down to the Pelatan shield (oh, I
> found a Pelatan, so the Matriarchy should be down there) along the Bay of
> Pelatan? Anyway, see my next posting about this, I am starting to have
> many ideas.
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 

Yes, I guess that it would have to be down in that area on the southwest
coast ... I didn't find my hollow world map until today, but I just looked
it over and what you say makes sense.  The "Brasol" range is another clear
hint at "Brazil" - I wonder if we are doing what TSR would eventually have
done anyway.  I've read your second post, and I agree with that too ... I
was getting ahead of myself in the history.  Based on what you've said,
and including the post someone sent yesterday about Texeiras only being a
century old, we have a timeline like this:

- -800 AC: Northwest Davania is one continuous desert; Arypt-Izonda basin is
inhabited mainly by humanoids, Sis'thik, or some other monster race.

800-900 AC: Huge geologic upheavals (fast even by Mystaran standards)
create the Addakian Gulf; jungles spring up around the new bay.

900-980 AC: Tribal humans from the northern coast of Izonda, the mountains
of Brasol, and the jungles of Pelatan begin to populate these new fertile
lands ... they exist as hunter gatherer bands or with isolated farming
communities, and have no centralized government

c. 980 AC: Some northern adventurer (perhaps Rory Barbarossa, discoverer
of the Thanegioth archipelago) visits and charts the coastline at the
north end of the bay

990-1010 AC: Texeiran merchants seize control of entrance to Addakian
Gulf; build forts at key locations, organize local tribes into Missions,
begin importing slaves from various parts of Brun.

1014 AC: First slave uprising in New Texeiras (Brasolia); natives aid some
of the fugitive slaves; reprisals by Texeiran (and other) bandeiros begin.

how does that sound?
m@2



------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:03:11 +0200
Subject: [none]

Hi Mystarans,

As some of you may have seen, my homepage is back online. Moreover, it has been
completely made anew, with full support of the latest additions of Netscape 3.0
And, of course, new Mystara stuff!!! Among other things, you will find: the
Mystara FAQ, a poll, an addition to the chronomancer supplement, update from
the stuff about the NACE.
Since I don't want to flood the list, I won't post everything there (unless
there is strong demand for it and Leroy accepts too).
As some of you don't have access to the web, or only partially (eg, text only),
I've added a new option:

It is now possible to receive this homepage or its Mystara content through
email, because I'm really nice. Please don't abuse this service, I do all the
work myself... 

So, here it is: 

Send an email to me at musseauh@esiee.fr with the subject 'homepage
request' and the body containing one of the following: 

       'homepage once' to get the complete homepage once 
       'homepage update' to get the complete homepage and its updates 
       'text once' to get the Mystara text files once 
       'text update' to get the Mystara text files and their updates 
       'doc once' to get the Mystara doc (Word6) files once 
       'doc update' to get the Mystara doc (Word6) files and their updates 

All files should come as zip files. It may take some time before they reach
you, but eventually they should. Ordering with the update mode does not
mean that I will send everything each time there is some minor update
somewhere, but only for major updates and/or periodically. 
Note that ordering the complete homepage includes all the text and doc files
(unless I change my page structure), and is here for you to easily set up on
your own computer and use with Netscape 3 installed locally (that's what I do
at home, since I have no Internet provider). 

Herve Musseau
Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh


------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:31:32 +0200
Subject: [none]

version 2.0 by Herv=E9 Musseau

I play in Mystara

X =3D exclusively
Q =3D quasi-exclusively, ie I sometimes but rarely play other games, or=20
        I play trading cards games
A =3D AD&D exclusively or quasi-exclusively, but not only Mystara
O =3D I play with other worlds and rules, Mystara is only one of those
N =3D no, I don't play in Mystara, what's this?

I use the rules of

O =3D OD&D (including RC)
F =3D AD&D 1st ed.
S =3D AD&D 2nd ed.
E =3D rules from another editor (eg GURPS, Rolemaster, etc)
H =3D home-made rules

My Mystara is

O =3D exactly like the official one
Q =3D quasi-exactly like the official one, ie I try to stick to it but
        the PCs have the bad tendancy to alter events..
W =3D like the official one but with no world-shaking WotI stuff
H =3D like the official one but with no weird Hollow World
R =3D like the official one but with Hollow World relocated to another
        plane
I =3D H+W
S =3D R+W
A =3D alternate Mystara (eg no Rain of Fire)

I play in the time frame:

E =3D dawn of time, when elves were most numerous (pre-Blackmoor)
B =3D Blackmoor
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:40 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id AAA11564; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:35:32 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28965 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:57:44 -0500
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:57:44 -0500
Message-Id: <199609171357.IAA28965@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #211
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: fb11ca15b85bede9e0101e9028ca4f21

N =3D Nithia
A =3D Alphatian landfall period
Z =3D 0 AC
P =3D pre-modern era, ie somewhere between 0 and 900 AC
T =3D tenth century
G =3D 1000 AC (Gazetteer time)
W =3D WotI
J =3D official present (ie 1013, as per Joshuan's Almanach, or PWAs era)
D =3D near future (a few decades)
C =3D distant future (centuries)
M =3D far future (millenia)

Mystara and other AD&D worlds

S =3D integrated in Spelljammer
P =3D integrated in Planescape
B =3D S+P
A =3D Mystara should not be integrated in Spelljammer and Planescape,
        due to the very nature of the world
M =3D I play Mystara alone and doesn't bother such question


I am

C =3D child (less than 13)
T =3D teenager
E =3D early twenties
L =3D late twenties
D =3D early thirties
V =3D late thirthies
F =3D fourties
S =3D senior (older)

I play RPGs for

Z =3D zero years, hi I'm new to the game
O =3D one year
T =3D 2 or 3 years
F =3D five years
E =3D well, that makes 10 years now
V =3D hey, I'm a veteran, 20 years at least

I play Mystara for

Z =3D zero years, hi I'm new to the world
O =3D one year
T =3D 2 or 3 years
F =3D five years
E =3D well, that makes 10 years now
V =3D hey, I'm a veteran, 20 years at least

I discovered Mystara with

J =3D through Blackmoor, before D&D was invented (Judge Guild)
B =3D basic set, a small town that happened to be in Karameikos
G =3D gazetteers
P =3D PWAs
K =3D Karameikos boxed set (AD&D)

I am a

G =3D game master
P =3D player
B =3D both

I play primarily in

K =3D Karameikos
T =3D Thyatis
G =3D Glantri
A =3D Alphatia
I =3D Isle of Dawn and surrounding area
E =3D Esterhold, Minaea, Skothar
N =3D Norwold, Wendar
S =3D Shadowelf territories
R =3D Heldann, Northern Reaches, Ylaruam, Rockhome
D =3D Darokin, Atruaghin, Alfheim, Five Shires
M =3D Minrothad, Ierendi
Y =3D Yavdlom, Sind, Sind Desert
H =3D Hule
C =3D Savage Coast, Red Steel
W =3D Hollow World
B =3D rest of Brun
V =3D Davania
O =3D other

I'm from

! This one is a two-letters code, not one.!
It is the country you're from, and should generally be the code that
appears in your email, except for the Americans which should write US
(not EDU, COM or such). eg: FR (France:), IT (Italy), DE (Germany).

For your own sake, the writer of these lines is a
QSQWBEEEGGNFR Mystaran.

If you like the quizz and wish to participate in the poll, email me!
Also, you now have a new line to add in your signature file!!!

------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:31:20 +0200
Subject: [none]

Mystara FAQ
version 1.1 by Herv=E9 Musseau

Q: What is Mystara?
A: Mystara is an imaginary world created by TSR as a campaign world for
roleplaying games using the rules of Dungeons and Dragons.

Q: What is a roleplaying game?
A: Roleplaying games are games in which people play the role of=20
imaginary fantastic characters like warriors or wizards and try to comple=
te
an adventure under the guidance of a game master.

Q: I never heard of Mystara, but I know a setting called the Known World
which looks pretty the same. What's the difference?
A: Mystara got a name as a world only recently; before that, it was
often referred to as the Known World, although Mystara is more than
just the Known World.

Q: So, what's Mystara? The Known World and what else?
A: Mystara is basically composed of 2 main parts, the Outer World and
the Hollow World, plus 2 moons, and some other exotic settings.

Q: A Hollow World?
A: Yes. Mystara, unlike our earth, is hollow, an empty sphere. It has an
internal sun that lights the interior world, making it inhabitable. It
holds old civilizations that are now extinct on the Outer World, placed
there by the Immortals with strong magic preventing them from evolving
much or dying away. The only entrances to the Hollow World are through=20
underground passages between the two worlds, and through the holes that=20
stand in place of the north and south poles.

Q: And the Outer World?
A: The Outer World is mostly like our Earth. It comprises:
- - the Known World, where the most civilized countries are located,
- - Alphatia,
- - the Savage Coast and Hule,
- - the southern continent, called Davania,
- - the eastern continent, called Skothar.

Q: I've already heard from the Known World, and from the Hollow World=20
too, but never as Mystara. What does all this mean?
A: This is because Mystara is a very old world, one of the oldest
created by TSR, and, as TSR grew, so did Mystara. All of these product=20
lines are revelant to Mystara:
- - Mystara, of course,
- - the Known World and most stuff that were made for D&D (as opposed to
AD&D) like these old good modules B and X, or the Gazetteers,
- - the Hollow World,
- - Red Steel/the Savage Coast,
- - Blackmoor.
Also, some products bearing the label First Quest are related to
Mystara.

Q: Blackmoor? I know a Blackmoor, but it's part of Greyhawk, isn't it?
A: Blackmoor was, like Greyhawk, the campaign world of one of TSR's found=
er.
It was later placed in both Greyhawk and the Known World (as a past
kingdom in the later), effectively making two Blackmoors exist. It seems
there is no relation between the two Blackmoors, however, although some
people made the assumption.

Q: Ok, and now what's Red Steel?
A: Red Steel is a setting that is part of Mystara (west of the Known
World), although it was released as a stand-alone setting.

Q: You spoke of Immortals, what are they? Are they Gods?
A: Mystara has a different pantheon when compared to other D&D settings.
Most notably, it has no gods, but beings called Immortals. Immortals are
mortals who, through their deeds, have reached a higher status granting
them more power than mere mortals. Basically, however, Immortals are not
very different from Gods of other settings.

Q: Also you mentionned something about D&D not being AD&D. What does=20
that mean?
A: Mystara was the world designed to be used with the rules of D&D=20
(often called OD&D to better distinct it from AD&D and from the generic
term D&D which could mean both; OD&D stands for Old D&D or Original D&D).
It appeared in the old boxed rules: the Expert box, the Companion box and
the Master box. Most of the earlier modules designed for D&D were set
in this world. Recently, however, Mystara has been converted to AD&D
(along with Red Steel), but many people who play in Mystara do it with
the old rules (or their reedition, Rules Cyclopedia).

Q: I heard that the Mystara line was cancelled. Is this true?
A: It is unfortunately true. And Red Steel is cancelled too. Some novels =
pertaining
to Mystara may be released as part of the First Quest line, and modules m=
ay be
part of the Odyssey line. AFAIK, there is no such products in preparation=
 however.
Joshuan's Almanach was the last product of Mystara (to be precise the thi=
rd part of a
novel trilogy, Dragonmage of Mystara, has been released after) and the Sa=
vages=20
Baronies the last of Red Steel (except for online exclusives).

Q: But I saw in TSR's preview that there would be Red Steel modules
released as online exclusive. What does this mean?
A: TSR will release these modules for free on its site of MPGN at
ftp://ftp.mpgn.com and on AOL and GEnie.

Q: So, if TSR has dropped the line, how can I get new material for
Mystara?
A: There are many people on the web who love Mystara and have taken
upon themselves to keep Mystara alive (and well alive).
There is a mailing list dedicated to Mystara where people discuss
together about it, exchanging ideas, points of view, and more.
To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@io.com. In the body, have the
single line: subscribe Mystara-L .
There are also many pages around the net dedicated to Mystara, sometimes
with lots of interesting materials. The pages I am aware of are:
http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh : Herve's HomePage : the homepage of the wr=
iter of this FAQ
http://www.io.com/~oryon/mysthome.htm : The Mystara Mailing List Home Pag=
e
http://moray.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/%7Eknight/mystara/index.html : Knight's My=
stara Homepage : contains plenty of material
http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/diary : Fabrizio's Mystara Homepage : co=
ntains his Mystaran campaign description
http://www.angelfire.com./pages1/estlor/ : Matrix's Mystara Page
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/ : Shawn's Mystara Site
http://www.miniworld.com/adnd/ : Dungeon and Dragons Section : contains T=
oowin's travels and more
ftp://ftp.mpgn.com/Gaming/ADND/Worlds/Mystara/ : Mystara at MPGN
http://skaro.lawlib.wm.edu/~msphil/fnn/ : The FNN Adventurer's Journal

Q: Where can I find a complete list of the material published for Mystara=
?
A: AFAIK there is no such list. However, there are partial lists: one abo=
ut all
adventures published by TSR for Mystara, one with all the rulebooks publi=
shed
by TSR for Mystara, one with all Dragon #s with the Voyage of the Princes=
s Ark,
one with all Dragon #s of adventures that take place in Mystara. Check th=
e above
links to find these lists. Also check TSR's list of products at
http://members.aol.com/tsrinc/products.html. The most complete list to my=
 knowledge
is at http://moray.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/mystara/prodlist.html (I thi=
nk it is
almost a complete one except for the most recent products).

Q: Where can I find the FAQ for the Mystara mailing list?
A: Check at http://www.io.com/~oryon/mmlfaq.htm. AFAIK there is no plain =
text
version of this FAQ.

------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:31:55 +0200
Subject: [none]

Mystara and chronomancy
version 1.1 by Herv=82 Musseau
Extract from Chonomancer and from Chronomancy & the Multiverse:
Chronomancy was known to the wizards of Alphatia, but all Alphatian chron=
omancers=20
were destroyed by an unknown Immortal after they attempted to visit the l=
ong-lost techno-
magical empire of Blackmoor during its last few years and at the time of =
the global disaster that=20
destroyed that nation. One investigator of the loss of the Alphatians bel=
ieves the Immortals=20
Rafiel and possibly Rad (a.k.a. Etienne d'Amberville) are defending a pre=
historic secret=20
somehow connected with the Radiance of Glantri.
Despite the dangers associated with visiting Blackmoor, some adventurers =
have reported=20
actually visiting a place called the Kingdom of Blackmoor, meeting person=
ages known to=20
current historians to have lived at that ancient time. Such voyages were =
accomplished by=20
accident; the adventurers said they were trapped in the basement of a rui=
ned building in the=20
Broken Lands, and were then transported to Blackmoor of 3,000 years past =
by a magical time=20
gate that was possibly controlled by the rulers of Blackmoor. This ruin i=
s of obvious interest to=20
chronomancers; if it exists, it likely opens into a long-duration vortex =
in Temporal Prime. (For=20
more information, see the D&D(R) modules DA1 <Adventures in Blackmoor>, D=
A2 <The=20
Temple of the Frog>, DA3 <City of the Gods>, and DA4 <The Duchy of Ten>.)
No Guardians-like group of chronomancers is known here, as the Immortals =
of Time do=20
a fine job of policing. Unobtrusive chronomancers would have considerable=
 freedom;=20
furthermore, they might gain the cautious notice of Immortals from Energy=
 or Time=20
(particularly Ixion or Khoronus), who might be bribed at tremendous expen=
se to reveal other=20
secrets of chronomancy or Mystaran history. Immortals of Time carefully s=
hunt time travelers=20
"around" critical events in history, so that all attempts to reach those =
times are missed by days,=20
months, or years. Time travelers perceived as dangerously hostile to Myst=
aran history are=20
located and destroyed without ceremony or delay. No chronomancer can use =
time-travel=20
powers, either arriving or departing, during the Day of Dread (Kaldmont 2=
8), from AC 1009=20
onward.
The most important Immortals of Time are described in the <Wrath of the I=
mmortals>=20
boxed set, in <Book One: Codex of the Immortals>; see especially Ixion (p=
age 23), Khoronus=20
(pages 25-26), Rad (pages 33-34), and Rafiel (page 34). Several major elv=
en Immortals are=20
from the Sphere of Time, but they are largely concerned with maintaining =
the elven race and=20
the natural environment.
One curious aspect of time travel here concerns the future of magic on My=
stara. Some=20
sages believe, for reasons they will not disclose, that all magic on Myst=
ara is doomed to fade=20
away in the far future. (This situation seems somehow connected to the ac=
tions of Rad and the=20
Radiance of Glantri.) Indeed, for a time there were reports of humanoid c=
reatures called=20
"oards" appearing across the Known World. Oards, who seemed to all look a=
like, were said to=20
have been manufactured in the far future, and their bodies were both fles=
h and machine. They=20
were able to disguise and defend themselves using means other than magica=
l, and were=20
extraordinarily powerful. A few wizards have attempted to go into the far=
 future of Mystara to=20
investigate these creatures and their world first-hand, but none have ret=
urned. Perhaps they=20
were (will be?) stranded there, far in advance of our time, with no magic=
 left in the world to=20
bring themselves home. Or perhaps they were (will be?) caught by the oard=
s or other beings,=20
suffering fates that cannot be guessed. Questioning Khoronus or other Imm=
ortals on the nature=20
of oards yields no responses. (See the 1986 edition of the D&D <Creature =
Catalogue>, pages=20
42-43, for more on oards.)
Rumors sometimes pass through Glantri that a local wizard has rediscovere=
d the lost=20
secrets of chronomancy, but this has never been proven. Note the mention =
of a time-traveling=20
Glantri wizardess from Averoigne in <Mark of Amber> (page 62). Though not=
 a true=20
chronomancer, she could be encountered all across Mystara's timeline, usi=
ng her potions to=20
cross time itself. In the MYSTARA(R) adventure <Mark of Amber> (page 62),=
 a wizardess=20
from the fantastic French province of Averoigne is said to have invented =
<potions of time=20
travel>, with which she explored Earth's history for her own amusement. S=
he now lives in=20
Glantri, maintaining her youth with other magical potions. Averoigne coul=
d be part of a magical=20
Europe around A.D. 1600 in HR4 <A Mighty Fortress>, and this wizardess co=
uld be met at=20
various times through Earth's history prior to her move to the world of M=
ystara.
Humans, elves, and half-elves are the most likely chronomancer races here=
. However,=20
time travelers might also meet up with a jackal-headed humanoid race also=
 using Temporal=20
Prime: the hutaakans of Karameikos, who can achieve chronomancer levels r=
oughly equal to=20
those gained by half-elves.
Immortals and Temporal Prime
All Immortals, at least those that remember it, have lived a mortal life =
before gaining=20
their immortality. Thus, they have_or, more exactly, had_a lifeline. This=
 lifeline is generally=20
very bright, especially at the end of their life, since they were very po=
werful characters in life.=20
Where their lifelines end, it is generally one of the most bright lifelin=
e around, and bears a great=20
momentum that is often transmitted to many other lifelines_followers and =
clerics.
Severing lifeline: Upon reaching immortality, one does not really die, bu=
t instead=20
reaches another, higher form of life. Therefore, the new Initiate's lifel=
ine does not automatically=20
end. However, at that same moment when the candidate becomes an Initiate,=
 it is the=20
responsibility of his/her sponsor to sever the candidate's lifeline. The =
would-be Immortal is=20
generally not even aware that he/she has =FDdied=FD, since he/she founds =
himself/herself in a new=20
body_his/her manifestation form_with amazing new powers. Moreover, he/she=
 is not=20
surprised if the sponsor disappears for a moment during the final stage o=
f his/her ascension to=20
immortality, and some Immortals even go back in time while they are in th=
e Temporal Prime so=20
that they seem never to have slipped away from reality. It should be note=
d that some Immortals,=20
especially some from the Sphere of Entropy, and Rathanos, get a real, int=
ense pleasure at=20
severing the lifeline of their candidate, effectively killing them_or, in=
 the eyes of Rathanos,=20
bettering their status. Those few Immortals that have gained their Immort=
ality through other=20
means that sponsorship (i.e. Rad, Rafiel and Benekander), the intense sou=
rce of energy that=20
gave them Immortality also severed their lifelines in the process, althou=
gh it is not known=20
whether this is automatic or if this was special to these three Immortals=
. The severing of the=20
candidate's lifeline is by tradition a part of the ascension to Immortali=
ty, and no Immortals has=20
ever tried to defy that tradition. It is not known, even to the most know=
ledgeable Immortals of=20
the Sphere of Time, what would happen if that step was, for some reason, =
overlooked.=20
Contrary to mortal chronomancers that would cast the 9th-level spell Seve=
r Lifeline, Immortals=20
do not become natives of Temporal Prime; they become Immortals and become=
 linked to their=20
new home plane (generally created by themselves or their sponsor, or an a=
lready existing one=20
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:40 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id AAA11564; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:35:32 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28965 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:57:44 -0500
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:57:44 -0500
Message-Id: <199609171357.IAA28965@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #211
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: fb11ca15b85bede9e0101e9028ca4f21

that fits them).
Protecting lifeline: Most Immortals feel somehow vulnerable as Immortals =
through that=20
mortal lifeline of theirs. If a mortal chronomancer, or an Immortal foe, =
were to locate his/her=20
lifeline within the timestream_which wouldn't be that difficult_it would =
be easy enough to=20
disrupt events so that they never even become Immortals_although the mome=
ntum of time=20
would oppose such a change. Therefore, Khoronus, Father Time, in his desi=
re to protect=20
Mystaran history_of which the Immortals are obviously part_developed an I=
mmortal-level=20
spell_-Protect Lifeline_that can be cast on the mortal lifeline of an Imm=
ortal so that it can't=20
be interacted with_even by other Immortals. This is in no way a 100% effe=
ctive protection,=20
since it is always possible to travel through time and meddling with the =
life of an Immortal to be=20
without following his/her lifeline. Generally, a sponsor casts this spell=
 at the lifeline of a=20
candidate just after severing it. Immortals that were not sponsored are n=
ot automatically=20
protected, but must first discover of this weakness and the existence of =
such a spell, ask=20
Khoronus for it_something he is not known to have ever denied_and cast it=
 themselves.
Doubling lifeline: Since Immortals have no lifeline any more, they have n=
o restrictions=20
in regard of doubling their lifelines. However, since they are forbidden =
to directly intervene on=20
the Prime Material Plane, this is generally of little use. Some have trie=
d to double their =FDlifeline=FD=20
in regard to their home plane or an inner or outer plane, with the hope t=
hat this would permit=20
them to be twice as active, but they have found that this generally led t=
o more problem than it=20
was worth. Their first problem is themselves: Immortals are often very ar=
rogant and dislike to=20
share their power, influence or followers with someone else, even themsel=
ves; moreover, their=20
self from the right time sometimes believed this was a trick by another I=
mmortal to fool them=20
and opposed the plans of their time-traveling self. The second major prob=
lem is their limited=20
understanding of how Temporal Prime works, especially the momentum of tim=
e; only=20
Immortals from the Sphere of Time and some of the Sphere of Energy have s=
tudied it enough=20
to understand what they're doing when time-traveling; those that would en=
joy the most doing=20
some time travel and disrupt events at any place and time, the chaotic el=
ements of the Sphere of=20
Entropy, have rarely studied it enough_except for Thanatos, who is quite =
knowledgeable about=20
Temporal Prime, and sometimes uses it to his advantage (see the HWA serie=
s for an example of=20
his time-related plots). Last but not least, Immortal time travel is rest=
ricted by Immortal laws.
Immortal laws: Immortals have their own laws concerning time travel, as t=
hey have=20
laws concerning direct intervention. The law is quite simple: Time travel=
ing is forbidden, except=20
for Immortals from the Sphere of Time_this is their natural sphere of inf=
luence, and they are=20
assumed to know best_and when special missions through time are approved =
by a council of=20
hierarchs (see the HWA series for an example of such an occurrence). Ther=
e is one major=20
exception to this rule: When a candidate reaches Immortality, his/her spo=
nsor can slip to=20
Temporal Prime to severe his/her lifeline, to cast a Preserve Lifeline sp=
ell, and possibly to travel=20
back a few seconds to return at the very time of his/her slipping. Immort=
als from the Sphere of=20
Time are responsible for watching Temporal Prime for unauthorized Immorta=
l travels, catch the=20
culprit_generally by trapping them in a temporal stasis with their greate=
r knowledge of=20
Temporal Prime_and bringing them to a council of hierarchs to be judged. =
Some Immortals of=20
the Sphere of Time generally volunteer for this task, because they are pr=
ofoundly interested in=20
the safekeeping of Mystaran history_with Khoronus being the first of them=
 and coordinating=20
their efforts. Because of this laws, as well as other reasons, most Immor=
tals prefer not to tamper=20
with Temporal Prime unless they have the proper authorizations, or they a=
re very careful to=20
conceal their actions. Immortals that didn't gain their Immortality with =
the help of a sponsor=20
don't always strictly adhere to Immortal laws, and are known to travel th=
rough time when this is=20
in their interest, or otherwise interfere with Temporal Prime_this is wha=
t Rafiel and Rad did=20
when chronomancers of Alphatia tried to contact the Blackmoorians_but the=
y are generally=20
watched by Immortals of Time and can be brought to Pandius to be judged i=
f they interfere.
Mortal identities: Whenever an Immortal creates a mortal identity, a new =
lifeline=20
appears in the Temporal Prime. This lifeline is generally quite bright si=
nce the mortal identity is=20
very powerful and able to greatly affect the lives of many persons. If th=
e Immortal returns to=20
his/her manifestation form and back from time to time, the lifeline corre=
sponding to the mortal=20
identity stops and restarts accordingly, the same way as does that of a c=
hronomancer. If the=20
mortal identity is the same as that the Immortal had in mortal life, the =
same lifeline continues at=20
some point after the effective =FDdeath=FD of its owner (this phenomenon =
can also happen with a=20
chronomancer's lifeline). Immortals sometimes protect the lifelines of th=
eir most important=20
mortal identities. An Immortal can be present in his/her mortal guise and=
 Immortal form at the=20
same time simply by traveling through time as Immortals, effectively nega=
ting the side effect of=20
not being able to use their Immortal powers while in mortal form, but thi=
s is rare occurrence=20
because of the Immortal laws.
Exalted creatures and Temporal Prime
Mortal lifeline: Exalted creatures are mortals that have died, but have b=
een reincarnated=20
by an Immortal into an exalted creature because they were loyal and power=
ful followers in their=20
mortal life, and because they have often died while defending a cause imp=
ortant to that=20
Immortal. Thus, they have a lifeline corresponding to their mortal life_a=
nd a bright one_but it=20
has ended when they died. These lifelines are rarely protected, except fo=
r the most important=20
exalted creatures.
Exalted lifeline: As soon as they become exalted, they become denizens of=
 another=20
plane, generally the same as the home plane of their Immortal patron. Thu=
s, a new lifeline=20
appears in the Temporal Prime corresponding to that plane, as if they wer=
e just born on that=20
plane. These lifelines are also rarely protected, since it is not so easy=
 to travel between realities=20
in Temporal Prime, and other denizens of the plane are unlikely to willin=
gly disrupt their life=20
since they generally follow the same Immortals or at least allied ones.
Chronomancy: Most exalted creatures have no knowledge in chronomancy (exc=
ept=20
maybe the denizens of Entrem). They can slip in Temporal Prime if other c=
reatures help them=20
to_generally their patron_but in that case they are subject to the same e=
ffects and hazards as=20
mortal creatures while there and can't double their lifelines.
Mystaran timestream
Turbulence: The Mytaran timestream certainly does have many turbulence. T=
hese are=20
generally located at very special points in the timestream, as they mark =
events that have had=20
such a tremendous impact on the history of Mystara that they have left a =
permanent peculiarity=20
in Temporal Prime. These are most often permanent maelstroms of various s=
izes, that=20
sometimes connect the Mystaran timestream to that of another reality. Alt=
hough they can be=20
used by mortal chronomancers to fast traveling effects, it is often impos=
sible to slip back to=20
reality where they stand, because these correspond to the critical points=
 in history that the=20
Immortals want to protect from tampering and shunt travelers around.
Maelstroms: The maelstroms often form around events of particular importa=
nce to=20
Mystaran history; it is speculated that some vortices that are part of su=
ch maelstroms go into=20
alternate Mystaras, where the events has turned differently, but no chron=
omancers or=20
Immortals_with the possible exception of Khoronus, who is rumored among I=
mmortals to=20
have explored all such alternate worlds and carefully recorded their hist=
ories_is known for sure=20
to have ventured there, or none has ever returned. Maelstroms also form a=
t the time of=20
transportation from cultures to the Hollow World, with vortices linking t=
he two points in space=20
at the time of the transportation and possibly to other times of that cul=
ture in both the Outer=20
World and the Hollow World. Also, since Mystara is particularly rich in d=
imensional travels (for=20
some unknown reason, many peoples and races from other worlds and dimensi=
ons found it=20
easy to travel to Mystara), their time of arrival on Mystara has often cr=
eated a maelstrom on=20
Temporal Prime, with a vortex or more leading back to their home world or=
 dimensions. The=20
largest and most well-known of the maelstroms are:
Nucleus: A maelstrom situated at the time and place (at about 4000 BC, at=
 some place=20
in the void between the planets of Mystaraspace) of the arrival of the Be=
agle in this world.=20
Hundreds or thousands of lifelines seem to begin at that same point, as i=
f that many people,=20
whose destinies seem very tied, had been suddenly born. One vortex is sup=
posed to lead back to=20
their home dimension, while another leads to the place and time of the sh=
ip's engines explosion,=20
one to the First Alteration of the Engines, one to the Second Alteration =
of the Engines, and one=20
to the moment of the Nucleus's activation that destroyed Alphatia in 1009=
 AC and resulted in=20
the week without magic. There are other vortices who lead farther in the =
future.
Blackmoor: Another maelstrom exists at the time and place of the explosio=
n of=20
Blackmoor's devices that led to the Rain of Fire (around 3000 BC, in the =
City of Blackmoor).=20
It has vortices leading to Blackmoor's independence from the Empire of Th=
onia and to the=20
crash-landing of the Beagle, as well as to the second explosion in the Br=
oken Lands in 1700=20
BC.
Alphatia: A maelstrom exists at the moment of the landfall of the Alphati=
ans (1000 BC,=20
Alphatia). This one has vortices leading to the moment of the destruction=
 of Old Alphatia in=20
their home world (and possibly, from there to other points in Alphatia's =
history), to the Flaem's=20
maelstrom, to the sinking of Alphatia in 1009 AC, and another maelstrom c=
orresponding to=20
Alphatia's relocation to the Hollow World. Other vortices may lead to oth=
er points in the future.
Flaem: A maelstrom similar to Alphatia's stands at the moment of the comi=
ng of the=20
Flaem to Mystara (395 AC, Braastar), with vortices to their previous worl=
d (and possibly from=20
there to other worlds they wandered through; see the novel Dragonmage of =
Mystara for more=20
detail on this subject), to Alphatia's and the Nucleus's maelstroms, and =
to other future times.
Laterre: Another maelstrom in Glantri, but in 728 AC. It has vortices to =
Laterre at the=20
times of the openings of the dimensional portals to and from Mystara as w=
ell as the=20
disappearance (896 AC) and reappearance (979 AC) of the d'Ambrevilles, to=
 the Nucleus's=20
maelstrom, to Alphatia's sinking (but at the place of the Nucleus, not Al=
phatia), and to other=20
future events.
Emerond: A smaller maelstrom stands at the point where Emerondians came t=
o=20
Mystara from the Pyrithian Archipelago asteroids many centuries ago. A vo=
rtex leads back to=20
their asteroids in another part of the Mytaran solar system.
Red Curse: A maelstrom stands in the Savage Coast at the time of the crea=
tion of the=20
Red Curse. Vortices lead to the exact places and times of the creation of=
 the different=20
components that make up the Curse, and to Herath at the moment of the cas=
ting of the spell=20
that confines the Curse to the Savage Baronies and to the moment of its d=
ispelling by the Week=20
Without Magic.
Hollow World: A maelstrom stands at the time of the transformation of the=
 Hollow=20
World by the Immortals into a haven for endangered species. This maelstro=
m has vortices=20
leading to all other maelstroms resulting from the relocation of any one =
culture, as well as one=20
rumored to lead to an alternate Mystara in which the Immortals couldn't c=
ome to such an=20
agreement and never transformed the Hollow World. All cultural relocation=
 give way to a=20
maelstrom, with at least two vortices linking the places of pre-relocatio=
n and post-relocation,=20
and sometimes other vortices as well. Note that there is thus a second Al=
phatian maelstrom, and=20
that the Nithian maelstrom also leads to all places that were eradicated =
by the Immortals' fury.
Chronomancers
Who: Few chronomancers are known to live on Mystara. Most if not all that=
 came from=20
Old Alphatia were destroyed by Rafiel and Rad when they tried to contact =
Blackmoor, although=20
some might have escaped (but it is quite difficult to escape an Immortal'=
s power). No=20
chronomancers were known to have come to Mystara with the Flaem. Chronoma=
ncy may have=20
been rediscovered by some wizards from these countries or by individuals =
anywhere, but if=20
that's the case, they either have been very discreet and probably untampe=
ring, or they have=20
been destroyed before they could prove a threat to Mystara's history. It =
is speculated that at=20
least some seers from Yavdlom may be chronomancers, in which case their s=
trict adherence to=20
the Precepts of Yav have prevented their sharing the fate of the Alphatia=
n chronomancers.
Secrets: As there are few chronomancers, if any, the secrets of chronoman=
cy are not=20
easily unveiled. Maybe a place to search would be in the books and archiv=
ed of the late=20
Alphatian chronomancers, but they might as well have been destroyed by Ra=
fiel and Rad to=20
prevent further tampering. The best source of chronomantic knowledge is p=
robably the=20
Immortals themselves; however, it is unlikely that they will give such po=
tentially dangerous=20
secrets without a good reason or to characters they fear would misuse the=
m. Moreover, most=20
Immortals don't have a good enough knowledge of Temporal Prime to reveal =
all its secrets. The=20
best source of information would of course be Khoronus himself, but he is=
 a very secretive=20
character and is unlikely to give such secrets if it's not his own idea, =
and in that case it would=20
probably be because his knowledge of the past and future of Mystara let h=
im think that it is the=20
fate of that character to learn of it at that very time. Another good sou=
rce of knowledge would=20
be Yav, but he probably himself adheres to his own principles, and wouldn=
't give the secrets=20
away if it wasn't fate. Other Immortals of the Sphere of Time or exalted =
creatures from Entrem=20
might be persuaded to give them away, but this probably would be at a hig=
h price, and probably=20
also not without a good insurance about the character's intent; moreover,=
 they probably have=20
never studied Temporal Prime as well as the previous two Immortals. Some =
Immortals of the=20
Sphere of Energy, primarily Ixion, also have some basic (not so basic in =
the eyes of a would-be=20
chronomancer, or even an experienced one) knowledge of Temporal Prime and=
 could be=20
persuaded to reveal part of it at great expense.
Slipgates: There are no known permanent slipgates at any time or place on=
 Mystara.=20
The only thing that most closely resembles a slipgate is the gate at the =
Comeback Inn, also=20
referred to as the Inn Between the Worlds. This inn has been enchanted so=
 as to be nearly=20
indestructible by normal passing of time, among other things, and is not =
dispellable by standard=20
methods. But the inn has an unusual feature, although no one knows how it=
 came into being: a=20
gate in the lower cellar that permits time travel. This is not a real sli=
pgate, however: the gate is=20
not always open, and one can pass through it when it is open without any =
knowledge of=20
chronomancy or control over the destination; but with specially crafted m=
agical amulets it is=20
possible to better control the gate. Moreover, the gate does lead to Temp=
oral Prime, but to an=20
unknown dimension that permits time travel; the destination is always the=
 gate of the inn itself,=20
but at another time. It is not known whether the mortal enchantments on t=
he inn had such a=20
side-effect, or if an unknown Immortal (probably from the Sphere of Time)=
 had purposely=20
opened it, or if it is the work of an Old One. The source and potency of =
the magic that keeps=20
the gate working cannot be evaluated even by Immortals, and no one has ev=
er dared closing it,=20
assuming it was there for a good reason.

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #211
*****************************


From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:52 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id JAA27825; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:17:51 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02757 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:56:04 -0500
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:56:04 -0500
Message-Id: <199609172256.RAA02757@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #212
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 16d096cc3b60ad1157d879474b12053d


mystara-digest           Tuesday, 17 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 212


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:

> I think that is going too far to the future. There are lots of potencial
> before independence movements. Slave trade would start, based on the
> concept that some races possess no soul (btw, which of those countries
> have a strong inquisition, is it Teixeiras or Narvaez?). Lizard men, orcs,

Narvaez has the inquisition based on Ixion as the one true immortal.

> ogres, maybe the ee'ar (those flying minotaurs from Dragon 200) and even
> gnomes or dwarves would be send to ... (we need a name to MBrazil) to work

Just a note.
Ee'ar are winged elves similar to Avariels.  The winged minotaurs are
called Enduks.



------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Penhaligon Trilogy

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, David Keyser replied:

>>From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
>>Actually, "Hail the Heroes" referred to the first book in the Dragonlord
>>Trilogy.  The adventure says it was penned by Perrantin the mage. 
>>Solveig
>>White-Gold is the one who discovered the Shield of Halav.
>
>Yes, this book is in there as well, which can be found at the end of the 
>module.  But take a look at page 16, Clue 7 in the module

DOH!  That's what I get for skimming.  I guess I need to read HtH a little
more carefully.


Later,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:45:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Mystara Net.Book

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Andrew McKinstry tantalized us with:

>There is a new Mystaran Netbook with a new editor ready to hit the MPGN
>site
>any day now.  The current editor is Amaldis@aol.com, and to be frank, he's
>desperate for Mystaran supporters to send great articles about Mystara to
>him
>for the next netbook.  So, if the proud supporters of this mailing list
>wish
>to include their two cents in future netbook productions, try mailing some
>articles based on topics discussed in here to Amaildis, I'm sure he'd be
>grateful for your contributions.  

and

>I believe there is an exceptionally large, complete timeline for all of
>Mystara in the upcoming Netbook (plug, plug ;>)


Whatever happened to this?  I still haven't seen it on MPGN.


Later,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:50:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] The Immortal Harrow

On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Shawn Stanley pondered:

>In WotI it says
>there was some information about him in IM3.  Since I don't have this and
>since
>I am interested in doing something with the diaboli I thought I'd ask if
>someone could tell me what it says about him in this.

It doesn't say much.  Harrow's Temporal Truename (a Gold Box immortal
rule?) is Sneckdraw.  He is a level 3 Temporal.  Most of the rest of the
information about him is merely encounter statistics.  The module revolves
around a plot to reduce the number of immortal candidates from the prime
material plane, and increase the number of immortal candidates from the
home plane of the diaboli.  Harrow is not the mastermind of the plan, but
as the highest ranking diaboli immortal takes part in the scheme.


Later,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:47:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Dark Elves in the Northern Reaches

On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, The Dark Elf. requested information about the Dark
elves of Mystara.  Many people responded with information about how elves
were viewed in Norse mythology, GAZ7, and other TSR campaign settings.
Here is what HR1, the Vikings Campaign sourcebook has to say about the
Dock-Alfar (dark elves):

They are similar to drow in abilities and appearance, live beneath the
earth, and shun the light.  They are not quite as malicious or evil,
tending toward neutral or evil alignments.  They prefer to remain out of
human affairs.  They do not have any of the cultural particulars of drow
and live in underground communities organized much like normal human
communities.  They tend to only be encountered in the lonliest of mountain
regions and are considered to be more legend than fact.


Later,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:54:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] What's My Player Up To? (was Druids)

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Gabriele Ferri mentioned:

>I don't know what he has =
>planned (he is a cleric of Ixion) but he seems really interested.


Why don't you ask him?  Whenever my players have something in mind, I make
sure they tell me what it is.  They realize that this is not so that I can
thwart their plans, but so that I can prepare the appropriate answers and
NPC responses.  As an impartial judge, the DM needs to know what is going
on.

Perhaps if you knew why your player was interested in finding out about a
nation of Druids, it would help you to tailor an appropriate epic quest to
satisfy his desires.  My players all have side quests of their own which I
work into the on-going campaign.  They are happy that they can help to
create adventures, and it makes for a richer, more interconnected setting.


Just my two kopecs,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: sean@netidea.com (Sean Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:26:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mystara] hello?

>Greetings to the dwellers of this list!
>
>               Is this list active?
>               Am I the only member?
>
>               Yoohoo? yoohoo?

   Since there's plenty of mail on the list, I'd say this person has a
problem. I'd suggest resubscribing. (I'm sending him a copy of this letter,
so he'll know we're here.)

Sean Nicolson                        sean@netidea.com


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:43:29 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

At 00.03 14/09/96 -0400, Estlor wrote:

>Okay, here goes (and I reserve the right to be wrong on any country):

Very good, this is just what I needed, so the Karameikos boxed set isn't
completely unuseful...

>Glantri: Red shield with 13 partial or whole hour-glasses in yellow.

I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
be 10 hourglasses, right ?
Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?

>Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.

Actually on an old Dragon Magazine the symbol of Sind is quite complex, but
it has a sunburst in the middle. IMO this fits better with the Sindian
landscape than a tower, the only reason I can find for this change could be
the Hulean invasion during WotI, but this doesn't sound good either.
Moreover the Hulean coat of arms is a yellow hand on a purple shield, while
the tower is the symbol of Hojah IIRC.

What about Alphatia ? Can someone give a name to that thing on the cover of
book 1 (or 2) in the DoE boxed set ?

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:18:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Re: your mail

XSAWBEEEBB(I+K+G+Y)US

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

And one more bit on that ... it occurs to me that a GREAT campaign hook
would be to have PC's who are either clerics or associated with a clerical
order that is strongly opposed to the slave trade ... perhaps they follow
a CG alignment and make it a point to defend personal freedom.  They could
be sent by their church to Yavdlom, Sind, or New Texeiras to investigate
and/or disrupt the slave trade by whatever means are necessary.  Perhaps
they could even be loaned a few warships for the purpose ...
m@2

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:10:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:

> >     BTW - Is this in the Red Steel boxed set? The details on Hugo's
> >ambitions and such, I mean.  The Princess Ark stuff is what I'm using
> >right now.
> 
> I checked the Red Steel and Savage Baronies stuff yesterday.  What I was
> thinking of was a passage in the Savage Baronies set that said that in the
> unlikely instance that Thyatis were to try to reclaim the Savage Baronies
> (originally founded by Thyatian colonists, mainly from Kerendas) Narvaez
> would probably cooperate with the Thyatians.  It does detail Baron Hugo's
> ambitions about building a naval fleet to rival the sea powers and of
> spreading the worship of Ixion.  You should really check out the Savage
> Coast stuff online from TSR.  It's not perfect, but it is pretty detailed
> and it's free, and it has everything in both bosed sets and more.

Speaking of which, what sort of software is needed to download, decode,
and print that information?  I'm kind of techno-illiterate and was unable
to figure out what to do with the file in order to read it after I found
it on Leroy's web page with Netscape.  Can someone give me quickie advice
on how to proceed?

 > > > Does the Red Steel boxed set have a comprehensive
timeline? > 
> Several somewhat comprehensive timelines, although they could be better.
> They end at AC 1010, "The Present."
> 
> >> This brings a question to my mind about slavery.  It seems that Sind would
> >> be a perfect source for slaves for the Known World, and I believe somewhere
> >> something said that Jaibul was into the Slave trade.  The problem is that
> >> this idea doesn't parallel earth-history.  How have people handled this in
> >> your campaigns?  I'm just curious.
> 
> >     You're right, Jaibul's main industry IS the slave trade - I'm going
> >to be sending my players there eventually, to test their moral fibre.  I
> >don't follow Earth history exactly (this is a fantasy world after all, we
> >don't have to be precise), though I do know from my research in university
> >that many slaves and other indentured workers from the Indian subcontinent
> >were sent to British colonies such as the Cape Colony (now part of South
> >Africa).  It doesn't match precisely, but it's our business to play around
> >with this world, isn't it? 
> 
> That's what I think!  As far as the coming age of discovery, I was wondering
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:52 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id JAA27825; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:17:51 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02757 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:56:04 -0500
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:56:04 -0500
Message-Id: <199609172256.RAA02757@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #212
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 16d096cc3b60ad1157d879474b12053d

> if anyone has given any thought to what the equivalent of the Brittish
> empire will be, or if there will be any.  If Spain and Portugal are somewhat
> represented by the Savage Baronies, would Renardy and Bellayne become the
> Mystaran versions of the English and French empires?  Or should the Thyatian
> colonies on the Isle of Dawn suffice as an equivalent to the Brittish
> empire? 

I think it all depends on the situation in the rest of the world ... in a
post-WotI game, unless Thyatis is REALLY weak it should be able to easily
dominate large areas of the world, much like the British.  Of course, it
may have too many problems with its land neighbors, allowing someone like
Ierendi to be the top dog while it deals with its enemies and is thereby
weakened (analogous to the French in the age of colonialism).  It seems
likely that naval power will become more important than land power on
Mystara, especially with the combination of magic and smokepowder with new
naval technology ... cannon-armed warships commanded by pirate wizards
should be the most important military unit, with the possible exception of
skyships.  I think Renardy and Bellayne are too small and backwards
comparatively to really do much in the way of conquest.  When thinking
about these kinds of things, Mystaran DM's should give a lot of thought to
how the WHOLE thing fits together ... balance of power and similar
concepts are important.  For one thing, what is the relationship of Flying
Serraine to world power struggles?  It is a mobile and incredibly wealthy
city with super high tech defences ... it could be involved in financing
the war effort of various countries, kind of like a flying Switzerland.  
Also, with the development of large airfleets by Alphatia, Thyatis, and
especially the Heldannic Knights, it seems like even Myoshima might become
involved in a massive system of alliances.  In a pre-WoTI game, it seems
like Alphatia would be the clearest analogy for Britain, with Thyatis and
Heldann challenging its naval hegemony with powerful land forces (like
Napoleonic France or early 20th century Germany).

 Also, would the Master of Hule outlaw the exportation of slaves
> from his territories (including Sind)? 

Your point about limited resources is well taken, but remember that the
size of professional armies on Mystara as compared to the general
population is pretty small, similar to much of Earth's history.  Sind has
a huge population, most of it living in abject poverty, and the Master
probably is much shorter on money and technology than he is on bodies.  If
labor is in demand elsewhere in the world, it makes perfect sense to sell
Sindian peasants or anyone else who's not serving the greater purpose of
the Master's ambitions in exchange for cold hard cash that can go towards
the construction of a navy, airships, juggernauts, siege engines,
artillery, etc.   The Master might even try hiring Alphatian wizards to
help with an invasion of Glantri.
That being said, at the very least the Master would want the slave trade
through Jaibul to be heavily taxed by his Diviners ... if he didn't tell
them to seize control of Jaibul outright.
Another thing to remember is that unless the Master is in open warfare
with the KW kingdoms, there are probably all sorts of merchants who would
love to do business with Hule and occupied Sind; these merchants might
even be powerful enough in the face of an impecunious Hule to demand
concessions from the Master, much like the renaissance Venetians did to
the Ottoman Sultans.  IMC the Master has conquered Darokin but expended
much of his military strength doing so, and things have settled into an
uneasy but lasting truce.  Ierendi has gradually become more friendly to
Hule as its relations with Thyatis have worsened.  Most port cities along
the coast from Athenos to Tanakumba are essentially controlled by Ierendi,
Minrothad, or Thyatis.  All three naval powers engage in the slave trade,
with slaves from Yavdlom and Sind (as well as some from Atruaghin) being
sent south to the Hinterlands colonies and the Texeiran colonies in the
Addakian sound to work on plantations, in mines, and clearing forests.

 It seems that Hule needs all the
> people it can gather for its army, and IMC the Master has decided to try to
> really back up his claim to the Great Northern Wildlands by sending human
> and humanoid settlers up to the Adri Varma Plateau.  The Glantri boxed set
> says that this area is claimed by Hule, and It seems like an easy place for
> someone evil to marginally conquer through treachery, alliances with the
> natives, and settlement.

Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)

  This would give Hule increased presence on the
> flank of Glantri, allow them access to Wendar (would the Master ally with
> Denagoth?) and give them more power to keep Sind in line.  But all of this
> requires a lot of people, and if the slavers in Jaibul have their run of
> Sind, where will the Master get his people?  Just some thoughts :~)
> Patrick

Remember also that most of the Master's "man"power militarily has come
from allied humanoids rather than human soldiers.  Since humanoids tend to
be warlike and nomadic anyway, they can devote their entire population to
military campaigns, as opposed to the human population of Hule or Sind,
who tend to be farmers without military experience.  Think of it in game
terms:  A normal human has d4 hp, a Thaco of 22/25 depending which rules
you use for nonproficiency, and no weapons or armor unless you buy them
for him, and you still have to pay him on top of that.  A normal
hobgoblin, on the other hand, has d8+1 hp, a Thaco of 19, his own weapons
and armor, and is usually cheaper than a human soldier! The multitudes of
Yazi tribes on the southern border of Hule make a great source of military
resources for the Master; once he conquers the Broken Lands, he has access
to a possible alliance with Thar, Kol, or whoever ... add to that the Orcs
and Trolls of Grukk, the Kobolds of the Cruth, and the goblinoids of the
Ethengar plateau, who have no qualms about making war on their neighbors,
and you have a snowballingly massive humanoid army posed to sweep north
into Glantri or south along the coast from Athenos to Tel Akbir.

If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
not be able to stop him.



------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, StarHawk wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:
> 
> > I think that is going too far to the future. There are lots of potencial
> > before independence movements. Slave trade would start, based on the
> > concept that some races possess no soul (btw, which of those countries
> > have a strong inquisition, is it Teixeiras or Narvaez?). Lizard men, orcs,
> 
> Narvaez has the inquisition based on Ixion as the one true immortal.
> 
> > ogres, maybe the ee'ar (those flying minotaurs from Dragon 200) and even
> > gnomes or dwarves would be send to ... (we need a name to MBrazil) to work
> 
> Just a note.
> Ee'ar are winged elves similar to Avariels.  The winged minotaurs are
> called Enduks.
> 
> 
> 

Another note on this subject:  While the attempt to "justify" slavery
based on the concept that some races lack souls certainly seems like a
plausible human action, I don't think they would necessarily stop there
... The clerical orders in Minrothad, Thyatis, etc. might hold that
slavery is wrong, but they would be pretty powerless to stop the
activities of slavers operating far from home ... especially Thyatins who
probably would have the support of the military!  Remember also that the
real world west African slave trade was originally based on prisoners of
war, allowing those who profitted on both ends to justify it to themselves
as "spoils of victory".  This is the situation IMC in Yavdlom right now,
where various Yavi factions are more than willing to sell their countrymen
into slavery as part of a larger struggle for power.  The Ierendi and
Thyatins are of course making a killing off the whole business ...
sometimes quite literally ...
m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Dark Elves in the Northern Reaches

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Sir George Anonymous wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, The Dark Elf. requested information about the Dark
> elves of Mystara.  Many people responded with information about how elves
> were viewed in Norse mythology, GAZ7, and other TSR campaign settings.
> Here is what HR1, the Vikings Campaign sourcebook has to say about the
> Dock-Alfar (dark elves):
> 
> They are similar to drow in abilities and appearance, live beneath the
> earth, and shun the light.  They are not quite as malicious or evil,
> tending toward neutral or evil alignments.  They prefer to remain out of
> human affairs.  They do not have any of the cultural particulars of drow
> and live in underground communities organized much like normal human
> communities.  They tend to only be encountered in the lonliest of mountain
> regions and are considered to be more legend than fact.
> 


That is what my GAZ7 says too, but it seems odd to me in light of its
discrepancy with GAZ13; if there are BOTH Shadow Elves and Dock-Alfar
living in tunnels under the KW, wouldn't they have met by now?  Perhaps
(since GAZ7 is earlier) this was the source of the Shadow Elves, whose
appearance was later changed.  IMC long ago another DM (who was sharing
Mystara with me) wanted to introduce Drow, so we put them above ground and
in tunnels in the southern part of the Isle of Dawn, where they are allied
with Aranea and Bugbears.  They were considered to have originated on
another plane and come there  as colonists.  This was years ago, before
GAZ 13 was published, and I have always resolved the conflict by saying
that Shadow Elves are native to Mystara and fairly common in subterranean
Brun (and the HW) while Drow are relative newcomers who are found ONLY on
the Isle of Dawn and nearby locations.  However, since Norse sailors
regularly visited the southern Isle of Dawn and many other places several
centuries ago as marauders, it is conceivable that they could have
encountered Drow there, creating legends about them and eventually perhaps
confusing them with the Shadow Elves, whom few Northmen know much about.

How does that sound?

m@2


------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@snfma1.if.usp.br>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:31:08 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
> be 10 hourglasses, right ?
> Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?

I believe the Glantri boxed set has coat of arms for them, but I'm not at
home now. I will take a look at it later, if someone hasn't posted it.

Andre Martins



------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 17:34:21 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Your Last

Matthew Levy writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> >     Why don't you give me your mailing address? I'm going to colour the
> > map, so as to make it slightly easier to read, and I'm going to write up
> > some brief descriptions of the new colonial cities I've created in the
> > Sound.  The scale is 1 hex=72 miles, and I use the TSR hex map legend
> > system.  If you're interested, and if you're satisfied, I can send you the
> > additional maps planned for the future (my plan is to map out all of
> > Davania on this scale - a damn sight better than exists on that world
> > map!).  Spread this around to any others who want a copy - though I'll
> > probably want reimbursement for shipping and handling, we'll see.
> >     The map is finished (just needs colour) and I'm going to make some
> > copies of it.  The descriptions may take a month or so (hectic schedule). 
> > If this is all right as an arrangement, let me know.
> > 
> >                             TTYL,
> > 
> >                             Geoff, RPG Cartographer for hire>
> > 
> 
> My address is 1233 Verano Place, Irvine, CA 92715.
> I won't actually be home until the 24th of this month, but if you still
> have a month to go on the descriptions, then I suppose it's irrelevant;  I
> am very interested in seeing your map, so keep me posted. 
> 
> m@2
> 
        Will do.  I'll let you know how much it will cost (mainly for
postage, shouldn't be too much...)

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #212
*****************************


From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:58 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id QAA27401; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:46:15 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA06117 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:04:45 -0500
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:04:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199609180604.BAA06117@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #213
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 91e474fa5af3df61cee59eb893739375


mystara-digest          Wednesday, 18 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 213


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 17:50:25 EDT
Subject: [Mystara] Re: your mail

Herve MUSSEAU writes:
> For your own sake, the writer of these lines is a
> QSQWBEEEGGNFR Mystaran.
> 
> If you like the quizz and wish to participate in the poll, email me!
> Also, you now have a new line to add in your signature file!!!
> 

        I'd like to participate.

                                Geoff


- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 17:38:01 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

> Yes, I guess that it would have to be down in that area on the southwest
> coast ... I didn't find my hollow world map until today, but I just looked
> it over and what you say makes sense.  The "Brasol" range is another clear
> hint at "Brazil" - I wonder if we are doing what TSR would eventually have
> done anyway.  I've read your second post, and I agree with that too ... I
> was getting ahead of myself in the history.  Based on what you've said,
> and including the post someone sent yesterday about Texeiras only being a
> century old, we have a timeline like this:
> 
> -800 AC: Northwest Davania is one continuous desert; Arypt-Izonda basin is
> inhabited mainly by humanoids, Sis'thik, or some other monster race.
> 
> 800-900 AC: Huge geologic upheavals (fast even by Mystaran standards)
> create the Addakian Gulf; jungles spring up around the new bay.
> 
> 900-980 AC: Tribal humans from the northern coast of Izonda, the mountains
> of Brasol, and the jungles of Pelatan begin to populate these new fertile
> lands ... they exist as hunter gatherer bands or with isolated farming
> communities, and have no centralized government
> 
> c. 980 AC: Some northern adventurer (perhaps Rory Barbarossa, discoverer
> of the Thanegioth archipelago) visits and charts the coastline at the
> north end of the bay
> 
> 990-1010 AC: Texeiran merchants seize control of entrance to Addakian
> Gulf; build forts at key locations, organize local tribes into Missions,
> begin importing slaves from various parts of Brun.
> 
> 1014 AC: First slave uprising in New Texeiras (Brasolia); natives aid some
> of the fugitive slaves; reprisals by Texeiran (and other) bandeiros begin.
> 
> how does that sound?
> m@2

        I like the sound of that.  I think we should continue what we're on
to here.  I'll collect whatever we write on this topic, and maybe we can
create a supplement for Brasolia: Land of Discovery (or some other title,
we could work that out later).

                                Geoff>
 > 




- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 17:30:12 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S writes:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:
> 
> >     If you want to situate a South American (MBrazil) style culture on
> > Davania, may I suggest the Addakian Sound as an ideal cultural centre.  If
> > you look on the Hollow World colour map of Mystara, it is a rich arm of
> > tropical ocean bounded on each side by a fertile strip of coastline, which
> > is in turn sandwiched by the Izondian desert in the west and the Aryptian
> > Basin in the east.  Since it would be effectively cut off from the KW by
> > the extremely high Addakian Mountains, and the Meghales Amosses Desert -
> > otherwise the northern Aryptian Basin (as described in PWA2), an
> > enterprising seafaring culture would be ideal here. 
> 
> Sounds good. What about this? Adakkian Sound is a new feature in davanian
> geography. 200 years ago, Davania started to split (as South America and
> Africa should do). Untill then Izondian Wall and Adakkian Mounts were the
> same mountain range and a huge desert (desert of Izonda plus the Aryptian
> Basin) wsa all that there existed in the northern half of Davania and one
> o the main reasons why no great cultures have come from south Davania and
> met the thyatians in the Hinterlands or one of the city-states one of the
> Poor Wizard Alamanacs (I don't remember which one) mentions. Now both
> deserts have receded from the shore and the Izondian desert is been
> replaced by a lush rain forest, due to the new rain patterns. It still
> exists in the interior, but it is getting smaller. Groups of natives have
> colonized this forests during this time. Technologically, they are still 
> at the Stone Age, and they are not organized, so when the teixeiran
> arrive, they are ripe for conquest. Soon they have fortress controlling
> all of the Adakkian Sound.
> 
> >     What could have happened was that about 150-200 years ago the
> > Texeirans (or the Vilaverdans) "discovered" this land, and promptly
> > decided to colonize it, realizing its strategic value (after all, if you
> > control both headlands leading south into the Addakian Sound, you can
> > effectively cut off all quick trade to the interior, and competitors would
> > be forced to go overland - a most dangerous prospect, which means loads of
> > money for you if you happen to be the lucky person to control the area),
> > as well as its extremely vast resources.  Naturally, the colonizers and
> > the colonized would eventually mix together over time, thus producing the
> > current ethnic stock of MBrazil, although natives still exist (your Incas
> > and other groups).  For the time being, Texeiras (or Vilaverde) is keeping
> > an iron fist on this land, but thoughts of independence are brewing, and
> > the mother country is having increasing difficulties in keeping its
> > tenuous hold on this key territory.  Pirate raids (some hired by other
> > nations) would be common, peasants would be in revolt frequently, and
> > natives outside the colony's borders are massing for an invasion to drive
> > the colonial oppressors out.
> 
> I think that is going too far to the future. There are lots of potencial
> before independence movements. Slave trade would start, based on the
> concept that some races possess no soul (btw, which of those countries
> have a strong inquisition, is it Teixeiras or Narvaez?). 

        I think Narvaez is the Inquisitor state

  Lizard men, orcs,
> ogres, maybe the ee'ar (those flying minotaurs from Dragon 200) and even
> gnomes or dwarves would be send to ... (we need a name to MBrazil) to work
> on the mines. The geological upheaval have made very rich veins of gold
> (mithril, etc, pick as many as you'd like) and gems come to the surface
> and there is lots of work. Legends speak of gold cities in the Brasol
> Range and many expeditions known as "bandeiras" are been prepared to
> explore the continent (Adventurers needed...) Also, many slaves escape
> their masters and form huge fortified cities to defend themselves (can you
> imagine dwarves and goblins fighting side by side for their freedom?)
> called "quilombos". Some quilombos are destroyed as soon as they form, but
> some grow up and start destroying the bandeiras sent to recapture the
> slaves.
> 
        This sounds really interesting....

> >     This provides rich opportunities for roleplaying (PCs can choose
> > sides in this conflict), and for exploration (a living culture to explore,
> > plus new monsters, no doubt).
> 
> The slave problem and a comunity were race is not important as long as you
> are fleeing from being a slave, would also do that.
> 
> >     This is just my two cents' worth.  I've been developing Davania as
> > a place for exploration for a few months now, and I've created a detailled
> > map of the Addakian Sound region, and all areas north on that continent. 
> > Let me know what you think of this suggestion.
> 
> If you can send the map to me, please do it. If you have it on a
> home-page, that would be enough.

        I'm afraid my map is hand drawn, could you give me your mailing address,
and I will get around to sending you a copy (if I find a decent enough
photocopier).  
>
                                TTYL

                                Geoff> 
> 




- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Telrathin@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:23:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara Net.Book

In a message dated 96-09-17 15:38:22 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Whatever happened to this?  I still haven't seen it on MPGN.
  >>
The staff at TSR have been notoriously slow at loading this one up.....


Tel

------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:18:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> 800-900 AC: Huge geologic upheavals (fast even by Mystaran standards)
> create the Addakian Gulf; jungles spring up around the new bay.

Here's a thought- perhaps the abrupt arisal of a jungle and new lands 
(abrupt in geological terms) are not exactly natural phenomenena? Maybe 
there is a distinct intelligence behind things- whether benevolent or not 
is debatable...

Just sort of interjecting this idea, since 100 years seems quite sudden, 
even in a fantasy world... or maybe not- it is fantasy. 




------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> At 00.03 14/09/96 -0400, Estlor wrote:
> 
> >Okay, here goes (and I reserve the right to be wrong on any country):
> 
> Very good, this is just what I needed, so the Karameikos boxed set isn't
> completely unuseful...
> 
> >Glantri: Red shield with 13 partial or whole hour-glasses in yellow.
> 
> I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
> be 10 hourglasses, right ?
> Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?

You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?

> 
> >Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.
> 
> Actually on an old Dragon Magazine the symbol of Sind is quite complex, but
> it has a sunburst in the middle. IMO this fits better with the Sindian
> landscape than a tower, the only reason I can find for this change could be
> the Hulean invasion during WotI, but this doesn't sound good either.
> Moreover the Hulean coat of arms is a yellow hand on a purple shield, while
> the tower is the symbol of Hojah IIRC.
> 

Hmmmm.  Good question, any ideas on which one it should be?

> What about Alphatia ? Can someone give a name to that thing on the cover of
> book 1 (or 2) in the DoE boxed set ?
> 

Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.



------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:38:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
> Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
> Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
> human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
> Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)

I would presume, from most of the information (however limited) on this 
area, that 1) it is a fairly hostile environment, and not very hospitable 
to settlers of any kind, 2) the primary groups of humans living here 
would likely be Urduk nomads (from the Sind region), and/or Antalian 
types from the northern areas (Wendar, etc.)- perhaps the two groups have 
interbred over time. At any rate, I would imagine them to be primarily 
nomadic, hunter-gatherer type peoples, perhaps on the fringe of 
pastoralism. Given the seemingly limited water on the plateau, I would 
say that they would likely be seasonally migratory, having a 
semi-sedentary lifestyle near that large river during the monsoon season, 
and living nomadic lifestyles the rest of the year. 3) There might be 
some elves from Glantri/Wendar areas, though given the terrain, I find 
this unlikely. 4) Humanoids, notorious for living in hostile terrain, 
could be in abundance here, especially given their penchant for mass 
migration in former years- likely remnants of Akkila-Khan's migration. 
IMC, there is a small society of semi-civilized 'noids living here, under 
the protection of an Ogre-Mage. 5) There could be ruins of ancient 
civilizations here, just waiting to be uncovered. Given the proximity of 
the AD Plateau to the reputed location of the Kingdom of Blackmoor (in 
the North Central area of Brun, just south of Hyboria), these could very 
likely be ruins of some former Barony of the (once) great Thonian Empire- 
perhaps even the capital city of Mohacs itself!!!

Just a few ideas....



------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:36:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

>> You should really check out the Savage
>> Coast stuff online from TSR.  It's not perfect, but it is pretty detailed
>> and it's free, and it has everything in both bosed sets and more.
>
>Speaking of which, what sort of software is needed to download, decode,
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:36:58 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id QAA27401; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:46:15 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA06117 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:04:45 -0500
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:04:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199609180604.BAA06117@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #213
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 91e474fa5af3df61cee59eb893739375

>and print that information?  I'm kind of techno-illiterate and was unable
>to figure out what to do with the file in order to read it after I found
>it on Leroy's web page with Netscape.  Can someone give me quickie advice
>on how to proceed?

You need some sort of program to "unzip" it.  Your computer may or may not
have this.  I believe it's available as shareware, but I don't know how to
get it. 

>Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
>Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
>Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
>human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
>Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)

See my next post about the Adri Varma.

>Remember also that most of the Master's "man"power militarily has come
>from allied humanoids rather than human soldiers.  Since humanoids tend to
>be warlike and nomadic anyway, they can devote their entire population to
>military campaigns, as opposed to the human population of Hule or Sind,
>who tend to be farmers without military experience.  Think of it in game
>terms:  A normal human has d4 hp, a Thaco of 22/25 depending which rules
>you use for nonproficiency, and no weapons or armor unless you buy them
>for him, and you still have to pay him on top of that.  A normal
>hobgoblin, on the other hand, has d8+1 hp, a Thaco of 19, his own weapons
>and armor, and is usually cheaper than a human soldier! The multitudes of
>Yazi tribes on the southern border of Hule make a great source of military
>resources for the Master; once he conquers the Broken Lands, he has access
>to a possible alliance with Thar, Kol, or whoever ... add to that the Orcs
>and Trolls of Grukk, the Kobolds of the Cruth, and the goblinoids of the
>Ethengar plateau, who have no qualms about making war on their neighbors,
>and you have a snowballingly massive humanoid army posed to sweep north
>into Glantri or south along the coast from Athenos to Tel Akbir.
>
>If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
>not be able to stop him.

I agree completely.  By around 1200 AC, the Master will have made alliances
with most significant humanoid tribes of Brun.  IMC, he will then ally with
Barimoor, the Alphatian mage who's been hiding undergound in Ylaruam
building a huge empire for several centuries (as described in GAZ2).  These
two master villains will involve all of the outer world in a massive war
that will probably be more earth-shaking than WotI. (A couple months ago
there was a discussion on this list about the balnce between "good" and
"evil" among the spheres.  It seemed to agree that eventually all the
energy, thought, and time would abandon "goodness" and side with entropy to
balance the power.  It seems that the world war coming in 1200 could be a
sort of end to the problems in the sphere of energy begun in WotI, and could
culminate with Energy abandoning matter and siding with entropy.  Along
comewhat similar lines -- who is Barimoor's sponsor?)  Anyway, It will take
a major concerted effort by all the various heroes of the world to beat back
this nearly invincible army of evil.
Patrick


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> > 800-900 AC: Huge geologic upheavals (fast even by Mystaran standards)
> > create the Addakian Gulf; jungles spring up around the new bay.
> 
> Here's a thought- perhaps the abrupt arisal of a jungle and new lands 
> (abrupt in geological terms) are not exactly natural phenomenena? Maybe 
> there is a distinct intelligence behind things- whether benevolent or not 
> is debatable...

well the general impression of Mystara that I've always had is that
"intelligences" ... i.e. immortals ... are continually behind all sorts of
things, including geologic upheavals.  Once upon a time before DoE came
out I had a very different culture located where Ochalea is now.   I
didn't actually use that area in games, and wasn't particularly fond of my
work there, but I had made indirect reference to it several times ... when
it came time  to shift over to the map as given in DoE, I decided that
major geological/dimensional upheavals took place and the old landscape
simply melted away to be replaced by a new one as Mystara itself went
sideways through a dimensional rift ... if you can't do stuff like this
when you want to, then what's the point of Dm'ing in Mystara, right?

 > 
> Just sort of interjecting this idea, since 100 years seems quite sudden, 
> even in a fantasy world... or maybe not- it is fantasy. 
> 

Well yes, in spite of what I said above I do like to have SOME sort of
plausibility or logic to things ... however look back through your
messages to the comment someone made last week about the high speed of
techtonic shift on Mystara ... it might be stretching the laws of Physics
as we know them a bit, but at least we have a consistent rule to apply ...
geological changes on Mystara are ALWAYS frequent, violent, abrupt, and
quick.  This explains the large amount of volcanic activity around the
Sea of Dread quite nicely too, by the by ...

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:22:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> > Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
> > Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
> > Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
> > human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
> > Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)
> 
> I would presume, from most of the information (however limited) on this 
> area, that 1) it is a fairly hostile environment, and not very hospitable 
> to settlers of any kind, 2) the primary groups of humans living here 
> would likely be Urduk nomads (from the Sind region), and/or Antalian 
> types from the northern areas (Wendar, etc.)- perhaps the two groups have 
> interbred over time. At any rate, I would imagine them to be primarily 
> nomadic, hunter-gatherer type peoples, perhaps on the fringe of 
> pastoralism. Given the seemingly limited water on the plateau, I would 
> say that they would likely be seasonally migratory, having a 
> semi-sedentary lifestyle near that large river during the monsoon season, 
> and living nomadic lifestyles the rest of the year. 3) There might be 
> some elves from Glantri/Wendar areas, though given the terrain, I find 
> this unlikely. 4) Humanoids, notorious for living in hostile terrain, 
> could be in abundance here, especially given their penchant for mass 
> migration in former years- likely remnants of Akkila-Khan's migration. 
> IMC, there is a small society of semi-civilized 'noids living here, under 
> the protection of an Ogre-Mage. 5) There could be ruins of ancient 
> civilizations here, just waiting to be uncovered. Given the proximity of 
> the AD Plateau to the reputed location of the Kingdom of Blackmoor (in 
> the North Central area of Brun, just south of Hyboria), these could very 
> likely be ruins of some former Barony of the (once) great Thonian Empire- 
> perhaps even the capital city of Mohacs itself!!!

Interesting ideas all ... your "geographical analysis" raises no arguments
from me ... though I think the Wendarian settlers idea is a bit of a
stretch, it's rough going travelling onto that plateau and they would have
to have strong incentive to leave Wendar, which is a *much* nicer place to
live ...
The left-overs of Akkila-Khan sounds good too, and I really like the idea
of an Ogre Mage Lord, so close to Glantri where he could purchase new
magic!

speaking of which, did we ever get any kind of list consensus as to
whether there *are* Ogre Mages on Mystara?  On this point see my upcoming
message on the Sentient Races of Mystara ...

One last thing though ... the "reputed location of Blackmoor" you give is
an outdated rumour, having been officially replaced later by the statement
that ancient Thonia was geographically equivalent to modern Thonia in
northern Skothar ... Blackmoor itself was probably somewhere near the
Netsun peninsula and is now either obliterated or frozen solid.  Of
course, the fact that this is "canon" means nothing, since there is also
the indisputable evidence of the wreck of the FSS Beagle lying directly
under Glantri, which *would* make the Adri Varma a perfect location for
Blackmoor (though not for Mohacs, which would be farther south).  The
problem is simply that there is no logical way to reconcile all the
sources on this matter ...

m@2


------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:09:10 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

>> Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
>> Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
>> Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
>> human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
>> Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)
>
>I would presume, from most of the information (however limited) on this 
>area, that 1) it is a fairly hostile environment, and not very hospitable 
>to settlers of any kind, 2) the primary groups of humans living here 
>would likely be Urduk nomads (from the Sind region), and/or Antalian 
>types from the northern areas (Wendar, etc.)- perhaps the two groups have 
>interbred over time. At any rate, I would imagine them to be primarily 
>nomadic, hunter-gatherer type peoples, perhaps on the fringe of 
>pastoralism. Given the seemingly limited water on the plateau, I would 
>say that they would likely be seasonally migratory, having a 
>semi-sedentary lifestyle near that large river during the monsoon season, 
>and living nomadic lifestyles the rest of the year. 3) There might be 
>some elves from Glantri/Wendar areas, though given the terrain, I find 
>this unlikely. 4) Humanoids, notorious for living in hostile terrain, 
>could be in abundance here, especially given their penchant for mass 
>migration in former years- likely remnants of Akkila-Khan's migration. 
>IMC, there is a small society of semi-civilized 'noids living here, under 
>the protection of an Ogre-Mage. 5) There could be ruins of ancient 
>civilizations here, just waiting to be uncovered. Given the proximity of 
>the AD Plateau to the reputed location of the Kingdom of Blackmoor (in 
>the North Central area of Brun, just south of Hyboria), these could very 
>likely be ruins of some former Barony of the (once) great Thonian Empire- 
>perhaps even the capital city of Mohacs itself!!!
>
>Just a few ideas....

PC4, <Night Howlers>, says that the high plains between the Glantrian border
and the base of the plateau are home to scattered barbaroc nomad tribes.
The forty miles between the hills at the edge of Glantri and the base of the
Plateau have poor soil and grow only sparse grasses.  IMHO, the main plateau
should be even more sparsely populated, probably with nomadic barbarians,
whether human or otherwise.  I also think that the plateau should definitely
be home to some sort of humanoids.  The map in WotI shows saguaro cacti all
over the badlands in this area, although the location should make this area
way too cold for saguaros.  Is WotI wrong?  Are these just some sort of
wierd things that just LOOK like saguaros?  Is this area strangely effected
by some sort of magic that makes it warm (similar to the explanation for
Ylaruams warmth)?  

IIRC, somewhere it says that the waters of the rivers flowing into Lake Hast
from the Adri Varma are dark, foul and polluted.  It seems as if this should
be some sort of residue from Blackmoor, and perhaps the reason that it's so
warm.  Maybe this was a nuclear test ground or a giant toxic waste dump?  Or
perhaps this was the site of a major part of the Blackmoor civilization, and
it was the location impact for whatever great and mysterious technological
weapon caused the destruction of Blackmoor.

<Dragonlord of Mystara> shows the path across the plateau as leading to
Dragonswatch.  On the other maps where it appears, it just leads off into
nothingness.  Who would use such a path?  Or is this just the remnants of
the old road which connected the Sylvan Realm with the Known World (they
must have used something other than rainbows)?  BTW, what's the deal with
the human barbarians in central Brun?  Have they ever been described?  Elven
histories say that the Sylvan Realms fell to human barbarians, and Great
Hule seems to have no end to their trouble with the human barbarians on
Hule's northern border, although the statement that the time will come for
Hule to convert them too is interesting and somewhat eerie foreshadowing.
Are these barabarians one and the same?  Whatever the case, they may have
established some sort of foothold in the Adri Varma, or may even be the same
human barbarians that live in the clear area at the base of the plateau.  I
think that this could be an interesting area, and there seems to be very
little really written about it.
Patrick


------------------------------

From: sleipnir@northernnet.com (JL)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:13:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Re: 

Greets!  I am new to the list, and I already have a question! <g>

>From the :

>Mystara FAQ
>version 1.1 by Herv=E9 Musseau

>Q: And the Outer World?
>A: The Outer World is mostly like our Earth. It comprises:
>- the Known World, where the most civilized countries are located,
>- Alphatia,
>- the Savage Coast and Hule,
>- the southern continent, called Davania,
>- the eastern continent, called Skothar.

Where did the names Davania and Skothar appear as names for the landmasses?
Is there any additional (official) material on what lies on these two
landmasses (other than what appears for Davania in "Dawn of the Emperors"?)

Thanks!

- -Oarim


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #213
*****************************




mystara-digest          Wednesday, 18 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 214


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@snfma1.if.usp.br>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:51:25 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

>       I'm afraid my map is hand drawn, could you give me your mailing address,
> and I will get around to sending you a copy (if I find a decent enough
> photocopier).  

Good. I am willing to see it. My address is:

Andre C. R. Martins
r. Antonio, Felicio, 112, apto 52
Sao Paulo - SP
CEP 04530-060
Brazil



------------------------------

From: Dave Brohman <dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 1:00:15 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

StarHawk writes:

> > I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
> > be 10 hourglasses, right ?
> > Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?
> 
> You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
> difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?

On the back of the Glantri book from the boxed set, the Glantri coat of
arms shows 13 complete hourgalsses on a red field. Acording to the book,
their are 15 principalities, so I don not know what the discrepancy is. 
Perhaps their device has yet to be updated to include the new principalities.

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Dave Brohman                      E-Mail : dbrohman@chat.carleton.ca
  Carleton University               

  Featuring Alexi Sayle as the Balowski Family.
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:35:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] South-American cultures

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> Well yes, in spite of what I said above I do like to have SOME sort of
> plausibility or logic to things ... however look back through your
> messages to the comment someone made last week about the high speed of
> techtonic shift on Mystara ... it might be stretching the laws of Physics
> as we know them a bit, but at least we have a consistent rule to apply ...
> geological changes on Mystara are ALWAYS frequent, violent, abrupt, and
> quick.  This explains the large amount of volcanic activity around the
> Sea of Dread quite nicely too, by the by ...

I must have missed that message. I'll check back on that one, thanks. :)  

That is a good point about the volcanic activity. I suppose, come to 
think of it, a lot of the geologic upheaval could be attributed to gates 
to the elemental planes- there seem to be a lot of those little buggers 
around, huh?

------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@IMAP1.ASU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:28:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:

> IIRC, somewhere it says that the waters of the rivers flowing into Lake Hast
> from the Adri Varma are dark, foul and polluted.  It seems as if this should
> be some sort of residue from Blackmoor, and perhaps the reason that it's so
> warm.  Maybe this was a nuclear test ground or a giant toxic waste dump?  Or
> perhaps this was the site of a major part of the Blackmoor civilization, and
> it was the location impact for whatever great and mysterious technological
> weapon caused the destruction of Blackmoor.

This could be the case, though I think that Blackmoor should be/have been 
located farther to the west and north of the ADP. Could have been all 
sorts of reasons for the River, up to and including just pollution of the 
water by the inhospitable terrain. Interesting theory, though. :)

As for the northern barbarians, well, here are my thoughts...

Given what I take to be Blackmoor's location, it seems to me that:

1) the Ethengarians are the descendants of the Peshwah nomads of the DA 
series.

2) the barbarian peoples of north-central Brun are likely descendants of 
the Afridhi people of the DA series. (this based on a my assumption that 
the mountainous Afridhi originally came down from the Immortal's Arm- in 
those days known as the Goblin Kush). 

3) IMC (and YMMV), based on an idea I saw here on the list a while back- 
Bozdogan (of Hule fame) is in fact Zugzul, the former 'god' of the 
Afridhi. Which, combined with #2, leads to some interesting questions 
regarding the end of the Afridhi people's 'civilization'. (Given that the 
barbarians and Hule are at one another's throats, I find it likely Zugzul 
abandoned his people and sponsored the Huleans, something the descendants 
of the Afridhi don't take too well). 

At any rate, those barbarians that you refer to, and the ones that 
plague/d the Sylvan Realm are probably the same... though it seems to me 
that it was more a problem of humanoids in the SR than humans?


------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:16:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> speaking of which, did we ever get any kind of list consensus as to
> whether there *are* Ogre Mages on Mystara?  On this point see my upcoming
> message on the Sentient Races of Mystara ...

As to the Ogre-Magi- I'm just going off of the 'noid spellcaster rules in 
the Cyclopedia, where it mentions that exceptionally rare Ogres can rise 
to level 10 (or so). This particular ogre of mine was a 
captive/experiment of a Glantrian wizard, and later an outcast among his 
people in Ogremoor.

> One last thing though ... the "reputed location of Blackmoor" you give is
> an outdated rumour, having been officially replaced later by the statement
> that ancient Thonia was geographically equivalent to modern Thonia in
> northern Skothar ... Blackmoor itself was probably somewhere near the
> Netsun peninsula and is now either obliterated or frozen solid.  Of
> course, the fact that this is "canon" means nothing, since there is also
> the indisputable evidence of the wreck of the FSS Beagle lying directly
> under Glantri, which *would* make the Adri Varma a perfect location for
> Blackmoor (though not for Mohacs, which would be farther south).  The
> problem is simply that there is no logical way to reconcile all the
> sources on this matter ...

I'm not so sure on this. The only mention that I can find that outdates 
this is on the map in the Hollow World, where it points out a location of 
Blackmoor as being in that upper area along the Skothar continent. This 
doesn't jibe with me, canonically, as it contradicts a lot of information 
in the DA series of modules. 

As for present day Thonia, in DA1 it mentions that that area is where 
refugees of the destruction of the Thonian Empire fled to, and they are 
but pathetic remnants of that once-great civilization.

Still, this is an interesting point, and I agree that there is a lot, a 
_lot_ of confusion on where Blackmoor and the Thonian empire should have 
been. I am currently, among other things, attempting to make some order 
out of this mess (I'm awaiting DA4, from the Dragon's Trove, to complete 
my DA series and my canonical info on Blackmoor). What I am going to 
attempt to do, is reconcile timelines, as well as come up with a locale 
for all of the post cataclysm areas that jibes with the information out 
there. I'm even going to attempt to flesh out the Thonian Empire 
somewhat. I would welcome any and all advice on the matter out there- 
about where/what/who/when you did things with the Blackmoor/Thonian area.
Feel free to email me with your thoughts. :)

------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:19:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, JL wrote:

> Greets!  I am new to the list, and I already have a question! <g>

Welcome, weary traveller! :)  We shall seek to answer your questions as 
best as possible. 

> Where did the names Davania and Skothar appear as names for the landmasses?
> Is there any additional (official) material on what lies on these two
> landmasses (other than what appears for Davania in "Dawn of the Emperors"?)

I'm not sure where the names first appeared, but I'd wager it was in the 
Hollow World boxed set (maybe even in the Princess Ark series, which 
started at an earlier date...). 

As for information, there is ample information on areas of Davania (the 
southern continent) in the early issues of Dragon Magazine (#'s 154- 
about 160 something, before they dove into the hollow world). Also, the 
Poor Wizard's Almanac AC 1011 and on have quite a bit of information on 
Davania.

As for Skothar, the eastern continent, there is information in the PWA AC 
1012. The kingdoms of Blackrock and Skyfyr are detailed, as is the 
Jennite area of Esterhold, and Minaea. Currently, a project here on the 
list is working on detailing the rest of Skothar as a sort of MOrient 
(for Mystara-Orient).

Hope this helps.

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 01:56:41 PDT
Subject: [Mystara] Re: 

At 02:31 PM 9/17/96 +0200, Herv=E9 Musseau wrote:

>I discovered Mystara with
>
>J =3D through Blackmoor, before D&D was invented (Judge Guild)
>B =3D basic set, a small town that happened to be in Karameikos
>G =3D gazetteers
>P =3D PWAs
>K =3D Karameikos boxed set (AD&D)

        Wasn't the Expert, not Basic, set the one to introduce Mystara=
 stuff?

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Herve MUSSEAU <musseauh@esiee.fr>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:56:34 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: your mail

Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> XSAWBEEEBB(I+K+G+Y)US

Thanks. This has been saved for later use of the results (as soon as I
have enough answers).

- -- 
Herve Musseau
Email: musseauh@esiee.fr
Homepage: http://www.esiee.fr/~musseauh

------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:46:01 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

>On the back of the Glantri book from the boxed set, the Glantri coat of
>arms shows 13 complete hourgalsses on a red field. Acording to the book,
>their are 15 principalities, so I don not know what the discrepancy is. 
>Perhaps their device has yet to be updated to include the new principalities.
>
Two of the 15 principalities, Caurenze and Blackhill, are former
Principalities, having been obliterated by the meteorite that formed the
great crater.  There are 13 principalities in Glantri as of the time of the
boxed set.

------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:57:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: 

In a message dated 96-09-18 02:12:39 EDT, you write:

>Where did the names Davania and Skothar appear as names for the landmasses?
>Is there any additional (official) material on what lies on these two
>landmasses (other than what appears for Davania in "Dawn of the Emperors"?)

I think these names appeared in the Hollow World boxed set (who would have
gessed!)  

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: Shin Chyang Yu <scy2g@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:33:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

David 'Azure' Leland pontificated:
> 
>         Wasn't the Expert, not Basic, set the one to introduce Mystara=
>  stuff?
> 
IIRC, Threshold was mentioned in the Basic Box, but nothing else.  
Karameiko, and rest of the KW was intoduced in Expert box and Isle of
the Dread.

- -- 
Problem 7-11 of Fogler's Elements of Chemical Reaction Engineering
Consider the following 2 reactions:   |         John Yu
(1) healthy person ---> ill           |    scy2g@virginia.edu
(2) ill ---> death                    | UVA Material Science Dept. 
Although reaction given in equation 2 is normally consider completely
irreversible, reverse reaction has been reported to occur.

------------------------------

From: DonnLaP@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:06:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] hello?

In a reply to sean@netidea.com (Sean Nicolson)'s post about
lapa@peak-two.uplb.edu.ph's previous post:

>Greetings to the dwellers of this list!
>
>               Is this list active?
>               Am I the only member?
>
>               Yoohoo? yoohoo?

I've been E-Mailed by the above lapa~ (aka Leonard Anthony P. Arcilla), and
he assures me that he now has a full-to-bursting E-Mailbox with various
responses.  It's just that he was new to the list, I guess.

Actually, I'M new to the list, too, so...hello!  My name is Donna and I just
love the information I get from the discussions on this list!

I've been a player and a DM since 1978; I took a forced hiatus from the AD&D
system just before the premiere of the second edition rules and have taken up
interest in AD&D only last year--my return to "active duty" was a mere six or
seven months ago.

*Things have CHANGED!*  8-)

I'd like to know if the overthrow of the Black Eagle and Bargle the Infamous
was actually an official adventure module?  I loved seeing the "before" and
"after" portrait in the Karameikos booklet in the boxed set.  I can well
imagine the humiliation of the Baron when he realized that the Hin were the
ones overrunning his palace!  8D

BTW--does anyone besides me believe that the 2nd Edition Rules have severely
wimped out the Bard as a character class?

Thanx!

DonnLaP@aol.com

- -----------------------------

"By the way, are any of you a decent tailor?  These britches are in a sorry
state!"
     --Cliff Clankheart, dwarf warrior/fashion plate, upon first meeting an
unknown
        subterranean race

- ------------------------------



------------------------------

From: Shin Chyang Yu <scy2g@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

Patrick pontificated:
> 
> that will probably be more earth-shaking than WotI. (A couple months ago
> there was a discussion on this list about the balnce between "good" and
> "evil" among the spheres.  It seemed to agree that eventually all the
> energy, thought, and time would abandon "goodness" and side with entropy to
> balance the power.  It seems that the world war coming in 1200 could be a

To me, the difference between Matter and Entropy is Law and Chaos, not 
Good and Evil, and the swing back towards Chaos is inevitable.  Just a thought
could the Blackmoor's Rain of Fire caused due to the spheres shifting towards
Entropy?  And from that Chaos come the great migration, new humanoid species,
etc.  Then, as the dust settles, the spheres swing back towards Law/Matter
again, therefore, the past couple thousands of years in Mystara's history
have been relatively static.

- -- 
Problem 7-11 of Fogler's Elements of Chemical Reaction Engineering
Consider the following 2 reactions:   |         John Yu
(1) healthy person ---> ill           |    scy2g@virginia.edu
(2) ill ---> death                    | UVA Material Science Dept. 
Although reaction given in equation 2 is normally consider completely
irreversible, reverse reaction has been reported to occur.

------------------------------

From: Shin Chyang Yu <scy2g@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

Matthew Levy pontificated:
> 
> Another note on this subject:  While the attempt to "justify" slavery
> based on the concept that some races lack souls certainly seems like a
> plausible human action, I don't think they would necessarily stop there
> ... The clerical orders in Minrothad, Thyatis, etc. might hold that
> slavery is wrong, but they would be pretty powerless to stop the
> activities of slavers operating far from home ... especially Thyatins who
> probably would have the support of the military!  Remember also that the
> real world west African slave trade was originally based on prisoners of
> war, allowing those who profitted on both ends to justify it to themselves
> as "spoils of victory".  This is the situation IMC in Yavdlom right now,
> where various Yavi factions are more than willing to sell their countrymen
> into slavery as part of a larger struggle for power.  The Ierendi and
> Thyatins are of course making a killing off the whole business ...
> sometimes quite literally ...
> m@2
> 
Just wondering, in real world, has the church in various periods condem
the practice of slavery?  From the time of the Roman to the end of slavery
in America.

- -- 
Problem 7-11 of Fogler's Elements of Chemical Reaction Engineering
Consider the following 2 reactions:   |         John Yu
(1) healthy person ---> ill           |    scy2g@virginia.edu
(2) ill ---> death                    | UVA Material Science Dept. 
Although reaction given in equation 2 is normally consider completely
irreversible, reverse reaction has been reported to occur.

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:14:27, -0500
Subject: [Mystara] Re: Skothar and Davania

<<<Where did the names Davania and Skothar appear as names for the 
landmasses?
Is there any additional (official) material on what lies on these 
two
landmasses (other than what appears for Davania in "Dawn of the 
Emperors"?)

Thanks!>>>

The land masses names appear in the Rules Cyclopedia on the map of 
Mystara. I've created a homemade Davania on which i'm currently 
running a campaign. I've read somewhere that a race of green-skinned, 
white haired humans live in Northern Davania. They're suposed to be 
from another world, and recently have come to Mystara. Other than 
that, I just use the map in the Cyclopedia for the terrain, and i 
created the civilizations on these continents.

------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:22:54, -0500
Subject: [Mystara] undead PCs

I can't remember who, but someone asked about undead PCs not too long 
ago, and I responded about a RL module to be coming out at the end of 
the year. Well it's out now. I don't have it yet, but this is what it 
contains:

1146  Requiem:  The Grim Harvest Accessory (Ravenloft) -  The 
conclusion the
the Grim Harvest series.  The boxed set contains the last chapter of 
the
module series (Death Triumpant, character levels 5 to 10) and it 
contains
kits and proficiencies for playing undead characters, and new 
information on
how death alters magic.  Continues the exploration of the land of 
Necropolis,
Land of the Dead.

I've heard bad reviews on the first part of this series, but I'm 
still gonna pick up this box set. I'll send a post when I've gone 
through the material.

_______________________________________
- -Tim                  mrru13a@prodigy.com

------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:26:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: 

In a message dated 96-09-18 07:53:14 EDT, you write:

Dave Leland wrote: 

>Wasn't the Expert, not Basic, set the one to introduce Mystara stuff?<

Actually, the Basic Set introduced the area of Threshold, which is a part of
the Karameikos setting later detailed in the Expert Set.

Bruce Heard




------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 12:42:13 EDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

> northern Skothar ... Blackmoor itself was probably somewhere near the
> Netsun peninsula and is now either obliterated or frozen solid.  Of
> course, the fact that this is "canon" means nothing, since there is also
> the indisputable evidence of the wreck of the FSS Beagle lying directly
> under Glantri, which *would* make the Adri Varma a perfect location for
> Blackmoor (though not for Mohacs, which would be farther south).  The
> problem is simply that there is no logical way to reconcile all the
> sources on this matter ...
> 
> m@2

        If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
within the darklands now.

                                Geoff>





- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #214
*****************************


From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:37:11 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id JAA05729; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:50:45 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13265 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:16:45 -0500
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:16:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199609182316.SAA13265@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #215
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: f66f2b75f494bbc874a2f44cdb898cc7


mystara-digest          Wednesday, 18 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 215


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:24:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

In a message dated 96-09-18 04:24:59 EDT, you write:

jsmill wrote: 

>Currently, a project here on the 
>list is working on detailing the rest of Skothar as a sort of MOrient 
>(for Mystara-Orient).

How has the large island of Ochalea been incorporated into your *Morient*
setting? Are Ochaleans an offshoot from sea-faring Skothar people?

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:

> >> You should really check out the Savage
> >> Coast stuff online from TSR.  It's not perfect, but it is pretty detailed
> >> and it's free, and it has everything in both bosed sets and more.
> >
> >Speaking of which, what sort of software is needed to download, decode,
> >and print that information?  I'm kind of techno-illiterate and was unable
> >to figure out what to do with the file in order to read it after I found
> >it on Leroy's web page with Netscape.  Can someone give me quickie advice
> >on how to proceed?
> 
> You need some sort of program to "unzip" it.  Your computer may or may not
> have this.  I believe it's available as shareware, but I don't know how to
> get it. 
> 
> >Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
> >Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
> >Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
> >human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
> >Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)
> 
> See my next post about the Adri Varma.
> 
> >Remember also that most of the Master's "man"power militarily has come
> >from allied humanoids rather than human soldiers.  Since humanoids tend to
> >be warlike and nomadic anyway, they can devote their entire population to
> >military campaigns, as opposed to the human population of Hule or Sind,
> >who tend to be farmers without military experience.  Think of it in game
> >terms:  A normal human has d4 hp, a Thaco of 22/25 depending which rules
> >you use for nonproficiency, and no weapons or armor unless you buy them
> >for him, and you still have to pay him on top of that.  A normal
> >hobgoblin, on the other hand, has d8+1 hp, a Thaco of 19, his own weapons
> >and armor, and is usually cheaper than a human soldier! The multitudes of
> >Yazi tribes on the southern border of Hule make a great source of military
> >resources for the Master; once he conquers the Broken Lands, he has access
> >to a possible alliance with Thar, Kol, or whoever ... add to that the Orcs
> >and Trolls of Grukk, the Kobolds of the Cruth, and the goblinoids of the
> >Ethengar plateau, who have no qualms about making war on their neighbors,
> >and you have a snowballingly massive humanoid army posed to sweep north
> >into Glantri or south along the coast from Athenos to Tel Akbir.
> >
> >If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
> >not be able to stop him.
> 
> I agree completely.  By around 1200 AC, the Master will have made alliances
> with most significant humanoid tribes of Brun.  IMC, he will then ally with
> Barimoor, the Alphatian mage who's been hiding undergound in Ylaruam
> building a huge empire for several centuries (as described in GAZ2).  These
> two master villains will involve all of the outer world in a massive war
> that will probably be more earth-shaking than WotI. (A couple months ago
> there was a discussion on this list about the balnce between "good" and
> "evil" among the spheres.  It seemed to agree that eventually all the
> energy, thought, and time would abandon "goodness" and side with entropy to
> balance the power.  It seems that the world war coming in 1200 could be a
> sort of end to the problems in the sphere of energy begun in WotI, and could
> culminate with Energy abandoning matter and siding with entropy.  Along
> comewhat similar lines -- who is Barimoor's sponsor?)  Anyway, It will take
> a major concerted effort by all the various heroes of the world to beat back
> this nearly invincible army of evil.
> Patrick
> 
> 

This is really great stuff!  My only problem is with the idea that the
Master's great war will come in 1200 - I know it says that in some of the
gazeteers, but WotI implies that Red Arrow/Black Shield should be run
during the Glantri-Alphatian War.  IMHO 1200 is too far into the future
for the war; the Master has already begun his campaign, he's gaining
momentum, and a time when Thyatis is distracted by Alphatia is a perfect
time to invade ... an even better time is right after Alphatia sinks, and
Thyatis is weakened and tired by war.  I do think Barimoor and Hule make
natural allies; also the Princess Ark hinted at a possible Heldann-Hule
axis.  

        This is one of those areas where individual campaigns will be most
different (due to the impossibility of perfectly reconciling X4-X5-X10,
the gazeteers, CM1, WotI, need I go on?) but it seems to me that the
Master would attack sooner rather than later, as he gains no real
advantage by waiting and allowing Thyatis to reconquer its colonies and
those of Alphatia and thus make it a world superpower again.

Also, it seems to me that the sphere of energy may *already* have drifted
into the camp of entropy due to the chaos of the war ... what if Ixion is
so angry at the way things turned out that he slips towards a chaotic evil
alignment and vows to disrupt the order of things?  He's a fiery guy, I
could see it happening.  Maybe a good symbol of the shift of energy into
entropy would be some massive change in the nucleus of the spheres,
perhaps creating wild surges on certain days of the year, etc. ... magic
gone crazy ... 
perhaps this would make a good cover explanation to the sudden
accessibility of Mystara to the AD&D universe, including spelljammer ...
perhaps unscrupulous beings who would *benefit* from the destructive bent
of the sphere of energy on Mystara could make their appearance ... the
Githyanki come to mind ...

m@2



------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:00:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:

> 
> PC4, <Night Howlers>, says that the high plains between the Glantrian border
> and the base of the plateau are home to scattered barbaroc nomad tribes.
> The forty miles between the hills at the edge of Glantri and the base of the
> Plateau have poor soil and grow only sparse grasses.  IMHO, the main plateau
> should be even more sparsely populated, probably with nomadic barbarians,
> whether human or otherwise.  I also think that the plateau should definitely
> be home to some sort of humanoids.  The map in WotI shows saguaro cacti all
> over the badlands in this area, although the location should make this area
> way too cold for saguaros.  Is WotI wrong?  Are these just some sort of
> wierd things that just LOOK like saguaros?  Is this area strangely effected
> by some sort of magic that makes it warm (similar to the explanation for
> Ylaruams warmth)?  

I think the saguaros should be left out, they were probably a mistake ...
though there could be some other strange desert plant up there ...
 
> 
> IIRC, somewhere it says that the waters of the rivers flowing into Lake Hast
> from the Adri Varma are dark, foul and polluted.  It seems as if this should
> be some sort of residue from Blackmoor, and perhaps the reason that it's so
> warm.  Maybe this was a nuclear test ground or a giant toxic waste dump?  Or
> perhaps this was the site of a major part of the Blackmoor civilization, and
> it was the location impact for whatever great and mysterious technological
> weapon caused the destruction of Blackmoor.

I like the testing ground idea  ... also, IF Blackmoor was near the
Broken Lands/Glantri area, that might mean that the Adri Varma is near the
old north pole  (remember Mystara tilted on its axis after the destruction
of Blackmoor, and before the creation of the HW).  This could be another
reason why it's so desolate .... there is no organic matter in the soil
...

 > 
> <Dragonlord of Mystara> shows the path across the plateau as leading to
> Dragonswatch.  On the other maps where it appears, it just leads off into
> nothingness.  Who would use such a path?  Or is this just the remnants of
> the old road which connected the Sylvan Realm with the Known World (they
> must have used something other than rainbows)?  BTW, what's the deal with
> the human barbarians in central Brun?  Have they ever been described?  Elven
> histories say that the Sylvan Realms fell to human barbarians, and Great
> Hule seems to have no end to their trouble with the human barbarians on
> Hule's northern border, although the statement that the time will come for
> Hule to convert them too is interesting and somewhat eerie foreshadowing.
> Are these barabarians one and the same?  Whatever the case, they may have
> established some sort of foothold in the Adri Varma, or may even be the same
> human barbarians that live in the clear area at the base of the plateau.  I
> think that this could be an interesting area, and there seems to be very
> little really written about it.
> Patrick
> 
> 

        It seems to me that there should be all sorts of human groups
living in the northern taiga and plains of Brun, probably descended from
the Neathar or maybe Oltecs.  IMC a family of languages known as
Apohwochko is spread throughout this area, and these "barbarians" trade
furs and other goods occasionally with the nations of the south, from Hule
to Wendar.  I would think that *whoever* lives up there are probably
nomadic hunter gatherers, possibly with metal tools, possibly only stone.
I base the cultures in that area in my game on the native cultures of
Canada (mostly Algonquin) and those of Siberia (such as the Yakuts).  At
the north end of Brun are the Thuleans, the Boreans, and the Hyperboreans,
all of whom are similar to Eskimos/Laplanders in culture and technology.
Of course, this area could also be filled with all sorts of humanoids and
other monsters, all of whom could range into the Adri Varma from time to
time .... another thing, what if there is some weird mutated herd animal
that can only live on the plateau ... a whole culture could be based
around making use of that animal ...


m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:
> 
> > IIRC, somewhere it says that the waters of the rivers flowing into Lake Hast
> > from the Adri Varma are dark, foul and polluted.  It seems as if this should
> > be some sort of residue from Blackmoor, and perhaps the reason that it's so
> > warm.  Maybe this was a nuclear test ground or a giant toxic waste dump?  Or
> > perhaps this was the site of a major part of the Blackmoor civilization, and
> > it was the location impact for whatever great and mysterious technological
> > weapon caused the destruction of Blackmoor.
> 
> This could be the case, though I think that Blackmoor should be/have been 
> located farther to the west and north of the ADP. Could have been all 
> sorts of reasons for the River, up to and including just pollution of the 
> water by the inhospitable terrain. Interesting theory, though. :)
> 
> As for the northern barbarians, well, here are my thoughts...
> 
> Given what I take to be Blackmoor's location, it seems to me that:
> 
> 1) the Ethengarians are the descendants of the Peshwah nomads of the DA 
> series.
> 
> 2) the barbarian peoples of north-central Brun are likely descendants of 
> the Afridhi people of the DA series. (this based on a my assumption that 
> the mountainous Afridhi originally came down from the Immortal's Arm- in 
> those days known as the Goblin Kush). 
> 
> 3) IMC (and YMMV), based on an idea I saw here on the list a while back- 
> Bozdogan (of Hule fame) is in fact Zugzul, the former 'god' of the 
> Afridhi. Which, combined with #2, leads to some interesting questions 
> regarding the end of the Afridhi people's 'civilization'. (Given that the 
> barbarians and Hule are at one another's throats, I find it likely Zugzul 
> abandoned his people and sponsored the Huleans, something the descendants 
> of the Afridhi don't take too well). 
> 
> At any rate, those barbarians that you refer to, and the ones that 
> plague/d the Sylvan Realm are probably the same... though it seems to me 
> that it was more a problem of humanoids in the SR than humans?
> 
> 

This is interesting but you're misinterpreting the *scale* of the
Blackmoor map.  Blacmoor was a relatively small nation at the northern end
of the mighty Thonian empire, and the Goblin Kush was a very small,
nearby mountain range; *perhaps* it might have been big enough to be the
Colossus mountains, but it was certainly not distant enough to have been
the Black Mountains, let alone the Immortals' Arm.  As for any
relationship between the Peshwah and Afridhi and modern nomadic groups, I
find it highly unlikely.  Remember that in the many millenia since the
destruction of Blackmoor, entirely new cultures and civilizations have
grown up everywhere in the world, and Mystara has been shaken by massive
events several times, including the rise and fall of Nithia and the
arrival of Alphatia (smack!) in the middle of the area where Thonia
apparently used to be.  The Peshwah and Afridhi, if they lived through all
of this, could just as easily be ancestors of the Thyatins, the Makai, the
Eusdrians, the Ylari, really *anybody on the planet* as they could be of
the Jennites and Tanagoro or the Ethengari and Huleans or barbarians or
whoever.  Remember most of the population groups of the KW did not live
anywhere near where they are now nor did they have anything like their
modern lifestyles till very recently, compared to the long history since
Blackmoor.

m@2


------------------------------

From: Daniel Boese <dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:23:29 -0400 (EST)
Subject: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

 I once found a text file on the Web called "Countries of the Known World
in the Spelljammer Universe". It's a fairly well-done text, (although it
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:37:11 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id JAA05729; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:50:45 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13265 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:16:45 -0500
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:16:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199609182316.SAA13265@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #215
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: f66f2b75f494bbc874a2f44cdb898cc7

claims that Ierendi is a theocracy ruled by an Entropic society) but my
copy ends with "Alphatia: Because of it's special situation in
spelljamming on Mystara, Alphatia has it's own chapter."
 Two questions; does anybody have the Alphatian chapter? Would anybody
like a copy of the 473-line/20K file?

- --
Daniel Boese                                   dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca
a O(OFS)OJPTEEBB(KGC)CA Mystaran


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:40:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Shin Chyang Yu wrote:

> David 'Azure' Leland pontificated:
> > 
> >         Wasn't the Expert, not Basic, set the one to introduce Mystara=
> >  stuff?
> > 
> IIRC, Threshold was mentioned in the Basic Box, but nothing else.  
> Karameiko, and rest of the KW was intoduced in Expert box and Isle of
> the Dread.

Depends which edition you have.  The two-red-books version of the basic
set did include threshold, but the earlier brown, blue, and (single)red
book editions did not.  The map that became Mystara was first introduced
in the module X1, which was included with the original expert rules, which
preceded the two-book basic set, which gave birth to Threshold.
Originally Specularum and Luln were the only towns listed for Karameikos.

m@2


------------------------------

From: Shin Chyang Yu <scy2g@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:46:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

TSRBruce@aol.com pontificated:
> 
> In a message dated 96-09-18 02:12:39 EDT, you write:
> 
> >Where did the names Davania and Skothar appear as names for the landmasses?
> >Is there any additional (official) material on what lies on these two
> >landmasses (other than what appears for Davania in "Dawn of the Emperors"?)
> 
> I think these names appeared in the Hollow World boxed set (who would have
> gessed!)  
> 
> Bruce Heard
> 
Um... Ahhh... Um... I'm speachless.  Mr. Heard, my childhood hero,
are actually on the same list as me!  Welcome Mr. heard, I hope
you don't get a heart attack when you read some of the stuff we
did or plan to do on Mystara.

BTW, the childhood hero part was not that much an exaggeration.


- -- 
Problem 7-11 of Fogler's Elements of Chemical Reaction Engineering
Consider the following 2 reactions:   |         John Yu
(1) healthy person ---> ill           |    scy2g@virginia.edu
(2) ill ---> death                    | UVA Material Science Dept. 
Although reaction given in equation 2 is normally consider completely
irreversible, reverse reaction has been reported to occur.

------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Skothar and Davania

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, TIMOTHY M DI BONA wrote:

> 
> <<<Where did the names Davania and Skothar appear as names for the 
> landmasses?
> Is there any additional (official) material on what lies on these 
> two
> landmasses (other than what appears for Davania in "Dawn of the 
> Emperors"?)
> 
> Thanks!>>>
> 
> The land masses names appear in the Rules Cyclopedia on the map of 
> Mystara. I've created a homemade Davania on which i'm currently 
> running a campaign. I've read somewhere that a race of green-skinned, 
> white haired humans live in Northern Davania. They're suposed to be 
> from another world, and recently have come to Mystara. Other than 
> that, I just use the map in the Cyclopedia for the terrain, and i 
> created the civilizations on these continents.
> 

Check out the PWA/JA series.  It already has *some* information on
northern Davania ... for instance the otherworldy nation you are talking
about is called Emerond, and it is ruled by King Jerem Rhody.  There is a
bit of detail about the Hinterlanders and other nearby cultures there too.
Of course, you can do whatever you like with Davania ... but I was hoping
that all of us who are interested could cooperate to map the unexplored
parts of Davania and create a new setting we all can share that fits in
with canon Mystara.

m@2


------------------------------

From: Robert Kaelin <kaelin@natural.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:31:44 -0400
Subject: [Mystara] Black Eagle Barony and Bards

>Actually, I'M new to the list, too, so...hello!  My name is Donna and I just
>love the information I get from the discussions on this list!
>
>I've been a player and a DM since 1978; I took a forced hiatus from the AD&D
>system just before the premiere of the second edition rules and have taken up
>interest in AD&D only last year--my return to "active duty" was a mere six or
>seven months ago.

Welcome back.  :-)

>*Things have CHANGED!*  8-)
>
>I'd like to know if the overthrow of the Black Eagle and Bargle the Infamous
>was actually an official adventure module?  I loved seeing the "before" and
>"after" portrait in the Karameikos booklet in the boxed set.  I can well
>imagine the humiliation of the Baron when he realized that the Hin were the
>ones overrunning his palace!  8D

I'm not aware of any adventure detailing this, but a lot of the details on
this are in the Poor Wizard's Almanacs.  (I think this is in the first
one.)  They give a good timeline of the events and where everyone involved
is "now", and how often do you get to see a King wrapped in a carpet being
carried around by halflings, anyway?

>BTW--does anyone besides me believe that the 2nd Edition Rules have severely
>wimped out the Bard as a character class?
>

Probably, but a lot of people, myself included, thought they were a
smidgeon too pumped in the first case.  I never was very big on bards, but
I think they're pretty good now.  What don't you like about them?

- -Bob

p.s. Bargle lives!


- ------------------------------------------------
Bob Kaelin             Natural Intelligence
Software Developer     725 Concord Ave.
(617) 876-7680 x1253   Cambridge Ma. 02138
Kaelin@natural.com     <http://www.natural.com>



------------------------------

From: Robert Kaelin <kaelin@natural.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:41:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] undead PCs

>1146  Requiem:  The Grim Harvest Accessory (Ravenloft) -  The
>conclusion the
>the Grim Harvest series.  The boxed set contains the last chapter of
>the
>module series (Death Triumpant, character levels 5 to 10) and it
>contains
>kits and proficiencies for playing undead characters, and new
>information on
>how death alters magic.  Continues the exploration of the land of
>Necropolis,
>Land of the Dead.
>
>I've heard bad reviews on the first part of this series, but I'm
>still gonna pick up this box set. I'll send a post when I've gone
>through the material.

Me too... I've been trying to come up with a good explanation how undeath
alters spells that affect the targets constitution or health (like
permenancy).  It doesn't seem right to make a lich pay a con point to cast
permanency, especially when that limits the number of permancies a being
who can live thousands of years can cast to approx. 12.  It really cuts
back on that magic item creation over time.

It's also not quite right not limiting them to casting those spells in
anyway.  (Trust me I tried it when I created a lich's lair, it gets out of
hand pretty quickly, EVERYTHING has permanent spells on it.  It's almost
too deadly to be funny....almost  :-)  )

When you've got 50 skeltons running around with permanent fireshields,
shields, stoneskins, hastes, strengths and other similar spells on
them...it's usually time to nuke everything from orbit and start over. It's
the only way to be sure.  :-)

I may not get a chance to grab that book anytime soon, or it might not even
have my answer, any suggestions?


- ------------------------------------------------
Bob Kaelin             Natural Intelligence
Software Developer     725 Concord Ave.
(617) 876-7680 x1253   Cambridge Ma. 02138
Kaelin@natural.com     <http://www.natural.com>



------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> > northern Skothar ... Blackmoor itself was probably somewhere near the
> > Netsun peninsula and is now either obliterated or frozen solid.  Of
> > course, the fact that this is "canon" means nothing, since there is also
> > the indisputable evidence of the wreck of the FSS Beagle lying directly
> > under Glantri, which *would* make the Adri Varma a perfect location for
> > Blackmoor (though not for Mohacs, which would be farther south).  The
> > problem is simply that there is no logical way to reconcile all the
> > sources on this matter ...
> > 
> > m@2
> 
>       If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
> from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
> On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
> almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
> wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
> while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
> within the darklands now.
> 
>                               Geoff>

Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
that desolate wasteland.

m@2


------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: 

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, David 'Azure' Leland wrote:

> At 02:31 PM 9/17/96 +0200, Herv=E9 Musseau wrote:
>=20
> >I discovered Mystara with
> >
> >J =3D through Blackmoor, before D&D was invented (Judge Guild)
> >B =3D basic set, a small town that happened to be in Karameikos
> >G =3D gazetteers
> >P =3D PWAs
> >K =3D Karameikos boxed set (AD&D)
>=20
>         Wasn't the Expert, not Basic, set the one to introduce Mystara st=
uff?

Depends on how you look at it.  The Expert set actually developed the
world, but Threshold is the town in the Basic set.  You'll notice the
NPC's in the first (very, very first) adventure in the basic set are
Bargle and Aleena, i.e. Bargle the Infamous and Aleena Halaran albeit at
much lower levels.
Also the B series of modules set up a good portion of Karameikos (though
I've heard some were tweeked slightly to make them fit when b1-9 was
published due to some discrepancies).



------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 TSRBruce@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-09-18 04:24:59 EDT, you write:
> 
> jsmill wrote: 
> 
> >Currently, a project here on the 
> >list is working on detailing the rest of Skothar as a sort of MOrient 
> >(for Mystara-Orient).
> 
> How has the large island of Ochalea been incorporated into your *Morient*
> setting? Are Ochaleans an offshoot from sea-faring Skothar people?
> 
> Bruce Heard
> 
> 

I don't think anyone had suggested that yet, but my vote is all for it.
Ochalea is described in canon sources as having been colonized by
Alphatians, but that doesn't make sense given the cultural disparity; it
seems more likely that M-China was once more powerful than it is currently
and sent colonists west; perhaps many of these could have already been
living in Alphatia and Bellissaria when the Alphatians arrived, and been
absorbed into their culture gradually.  Ochalea would be the only
(relatively) untouched area left.  This probably would have had to have
happened after the fall of Nithia.

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Davania

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Shin Chyang Yu wrote:

> Matthew Levy pontificated:
> > 
> > Another note on this subject:  While the attempt to "justify" slavery
> > based on the concept that some races lack souls certainly seems like a
> > plausible human action, I don't think they would necessarily stop there
> > ... The clerical orders in Minrothad, Thyatis, etc. might hold that
> > slavery is wrong, but they would be pretty powerless to stop the
> > activities of slavers operating far from home ... especially Thyatins who
> > probably would have the support of the military!  Remember also that the
> > real world west African slave trade was originally based on prisoners of
> > war, allowing those who profitted on both ends to justify it to themselves
> > as "spoils of victory".  This is the situation IMC in Yavdlom right now,
> > where various Yavi factions are more than willing to sell their countrymen
> > into slavery as part of a larger struggle for power.  The Ierendi and
> > Thyatins are of course making a killing off the whole business ...
> > sometimes quite literally ...
> > m@2
> > 
> Just wondering, in real world, has the church in various periods condem
> the practice of slavery?  From the time of the Roman to the end of slavery
> in America.
> 

If you mean the Catholic church, the answer is yes, various clerics have
spoken out against it ... but never unequivocally.  Remember that people
justified the African slave trade in all sorts of ways, by saying it was
"good" for the slaves by "civilizing" them, that it introduced them to
Christianity, etc. ... the Mission system in the new world was often a
kind of slavery for the natives; and remember that, even back in Europe
before all this, slavery was commonly practiced in many places, especially
the Byzantine Empire and later the Ottoman Empire.  The word slave
originally comes from the Slavs, as they were the most likely to end up
owned by greeks, romans, or whoever.
I figure in Mystara that while many LG churches would probably officially
condemn slavery, it would be a very common practice, especially on the
fringes of the KW and in the colonies.
m@2

 > > -- 
> Problem 7-11 of Fogler's Elements of Chemical Reaction Engineering
> Consider the following 2 reactions:   |         John Yu
> (1) healthy person ---> ill         |    scy2g@virginia.edu
> (2) ill ---> death                  | UVA Material Science Dept. 
> Although reaction given in equation 2 is normally consider completely
> irreversible, reverse reaction has been reported to occur.
> 


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #215
*****************************


From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:37:17 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id PAA00422; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:50:16 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA15856 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:11:20 -0500
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:11:20 -0500
Message-Id: <199609190511.AAA15856@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #216
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: dfeaeb15a5866d5d2adac3b78f20032d


mystara-digest          Thursday, 19 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 216


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Daniel Boese wrote:

>  I once found a text file on the Web called "Countries of the Known World
> in the Spelljammer Universe". It's a fairly well-done text, (although it
> claims that Ierendi is a theocracy ruled by an Entropic society) but my
> copy ends with "Alphatia: Because of it's special situation in
> spelljamming on Mystara, Alphatia has it's own chapter."
>  Two questions; does anybody have the Alphatian chapter? Would anybody
> like a copy of the 473-line/20K file?
> 

No, Yes.


m@2


------------------------------

From: deg121@psu.edu (Dan Groves)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:37:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: 

Bruce Heard wrote:

>In a message dated 96-09-18 07:53:14 EDT, you write:
>
>Dave Leland wrote: 
>
>>Wasn't the Expert, not Basic, set the one to introduce Mystara stuff?<
>
>Actually, the Basic Set introduced the area of Threshold, which is a part of
>the Karameikos setting later detailed in the Expert Set.
>
>Bruce Heard
>
If I remember correctly... my Basic edition (the one with the Erol Otis
cover) doesn't mention anything about the Known World.  It does make brief
mention of the Haunted Keep (might be Wereskalot.. might not be... been
awhile since I read through it).  Though my Expert set (also Erol Otis
cover) does give a good bit of info on Karameikos.

Dan

Some people say my love cannot be true
please believe me, my love, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal
The sun, the moon, the stars all bear my seal
       - Black Sabbath

Why settle for the lesser of two evils when you can have
the greatest of all evil!  Vote Cthulhu in '96!


------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@WorldNet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:37:43 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: STUFF

>This is really great stuff!  My only problem is with the idea that the
>Master's great war will come in 1200 - I know it says that in some of the
>gazeteers, but WotI implies that Red Arrow/Black Shield should be run
>during the Glantri-Alphatian War.  IMHO 1200 is too far into the future
>for the war; the Master has already begun his campaign, he's gaining
>momentum, and a time when Thyatis is distracted by Alphatia is a perfect
>time to invade ... an even better time is right after Alphatia sinks, and
>Thyatis is weakened and tired by war.  I do think Barimoor and Hule make
>natural allies; also the Princess Ark hinted at a possible Heldann-Hule
>axis.  

I agree that the master will try to attack as soon as possible, but remember
that he has also been significantly weakened recently -- he lost a war with
Darokin in early AC 1006, turned to a full-out attack on the Savage baronies
later that same year, and ended up getting most of Hule's coastal assets
destroyed.  Hule will need some more time to get back on his feet, but in
the meantime IMC he will be stirring up trouble subtly all over the world:
spreading hatred between Ierendi and Minrothad, Glantri and Ethengar,
Thyatis and everyone, Vilaverde and Texeiras, Slagovich and the other
city-states, Renardy and Bellayne, etc.  The master will also have to deal
with a rebellion in Sind before he can truly try a massive world-conquest
campaign.  I'm not sure that this requires 200 years, but I definitely think
that the Second War of the Master should not come in the very near future.  
>       This is one of those areas where individual campaigns will be most
>different (due to the impossibility of perfectly reconciling X4-X5-X10,
>the gazeteers, CM1, WotI, need I go on?) but it seems to me that the
>Master would attack sooner rather than later, as he gains no real
>advantage by waiting and allowing Thyatis to reconquer its colonies and
>those of Alphatia and thus make it a world superpower again.

No information that I have seen about the master indicates that he has any
particular designs against Thyatis.  He could possibly forge some sort of
alliance with the Thyatians if he can produce some sort of common enemy for
them to fight, which shouldn't be too hard to do, considering that Thyatis
must be searching for some sort of enemy to unite its people against now
that Alphatia is gone.
I have some questions about just who the Master is allied with:  It makes
sense that he would have some sort of alliance with the Heldannic Knights,
which could certainly acount for why he didn't attack Glantri during WotI.
Could the Master have made an alliance with the Devilfish, hoping to extend
his shadow under the sea as well as across the land?  Is Jaibul allied with
Hule?  Are Bozdogan and Atzanteotl allies now, or does Atzanteotl simply owe
Bozdogan a favor after WotI?  If they're true allies, that means that the
Master can count on the Tiger clan of Atruaghin and the evil Shadow Elves
(who seem to be poised to take over the city of Aengmor and the underground
shadow elf territories.  Also, has anyone else noticed the similarity
between the Ethengar immortal Cretia and Bozdogan?  It seems that they may
be one and the same, or at least similar in interest.
>Also, it seems to me that the sphere of energy may *already* have drifted
>into the camp of entropy due to the chaos of the war ... what if Ixion is
>so angry at the way things turned out that he slips towards a chaotic evil
>alignment and vows to disrupt the order of things?  He's a fiery guy, I
>could see it happening.  Maybe a good symbol of the shift of energy into
>entropy would be some massive change in the nucleus of the spheres,
>perhaps creating wild surges on certain days of the year, etc. ... magic
>gone crazy ... 
>perhaps this would make a good cover explanation to the sudden
>accessibility of Mystara to the AD&D universe, including spelljammer ...
>perhaps unscrupulous beings who would *benefit* from the destructive bent
>of the sphere of energy on Mystara could make their appearance ... the
>Githyanki come to mind ...
>
I agree that Energy is already partially in Entropy's camp, but IMHO more
internal conflict will be necessary before some immortals (i.e. Ilsundal,
Alphatia, Rafiel) are either swayed to the side of destruction or else
eliminated.  But this will come soon; Alphatia acted far more violent than
ever before in WotI, Rafiel's shadow elves are becoming increasingly evil,
and Ilsundals elves seem to be being exterminated quite rapidly.  But I
still believe that this will take some more time, although 200 years might
be too much.
Just a few thoughts
Patrick


------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 17:28:53 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: 

>The Expert set actually developed the
>world, but Threshold is the town in the Basic set.  You'll notice the
>NPC's in the first (very, very first) adventure in the basic set are
>Bargle and Aleena, i.e. Bargle the Infamous and Aleena Halaran albeit at
>much lower levels.
>Also the B series of modules set up a good portion of Karameikos (though
>I've heard some were tweeked slightly to make them fit when b1-9 was
>published due to some discrepancies).

        My first D&D book ever was the red Basic rules of I forget which
year.  The cover featured a male fighter with a spear and a female
magic-user confronting a dragon.  The Expert rules of that series had a
magic-user looking at that same scene through a crystal ball.  Anyway, I
don't recall any Mystara or Threshold info in that Basic set, although I do
have the later (1983) printing which has the adventure you mention above.  I
believe I got the 1983 Expert rules before getting the 1983 Basic rules
(only then because the earlier one was falling apart), so the Expert rules
were my first exposure to Mystara.  My first Gazetteer, and by many accounts
the best, was of course Heard's GAZ3 Principalities of Glantri.  My only
regret in purchasing that was that at the time I was choosing whether to buy
that or DA3 City of the Gods.  I decided I'd get DA3 later and before I
could return to the hobby store where I saw it, a hurricane came and blew
the place away!  Only years later, while on a trip to Britain, did I find it
in a game shop in Oxford!

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu       |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709            |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:37:48 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

>> IIRC, somewhere it says that the waters of the rivers flowing into Lake Hast
>> from the Adri Varma are dark, foul and polluted.  It seems as if this should
>> be some sort of residue from Blackmoor, and perhaps the reason that it's so
>> warm.  Maybe this was a nuclear test ground or a giant toxic waste dump?  Or
>> perhaps this was the site of a major part of the Blackmoor civilization, and
>> it was the location impact for whatever great and mysterious technological
>> weapon caused the destruction of Blackmoor.
>
>I like the testing ground idea  ... also, IF Blackmoor was near the
>Broken Lands/Glantri area, that might mean that the Adri Varma is near the
>old north pole  (remember Mystara tilted on its axis after the destruction
>of Blackmoor, and before the creation of the HW).  This could be another
>reason why it's so desolate .... there is no organic matter in the soil
>...
That's an interesting idea!  
> > 
>> <Dragonlord of Mystara> shows the path across the plateau as leading to
>> Dragonswatch.  On the other maps where it appears, it just leads off into
>> nothingness.  Who would use such a path?  Or is this just the remnants of
>> the old road which connected the Sylvan Realm with the Known World (they
>> must have used something other than rainbows)?  BTW, what's the deal with
>> the human barbarians in central Brun?  Have they ever been described?  Elven
>> histories say that the Sylvan Realms fell to human barbarians, and Great
>> Hule seems to have no end to their trouble with the human barbarians on
>> Hule's northern border, although the statement that the time will come for
>> Hule to convert them too is interesting and somewhat eerie foreshadowing.
>> Are these barabarians one and the same?  Whatever the case, they may have
>> established some sort of foothold in the Adri Varma, or may even be the same
>> human barbarians that live in the clear area at the base of the plateau.  I
>> think that this could be an interesting area, and there seems to be very
>> little really written about it.
>> Patrick
>> 
>> 
>
>       It seems to me that there should be all sorts of human groups
>living in the northern taiga and plains of Brun, probably descended from
>the Neathar or maybe Oltecs.  IMC a family of languages known as
>Apohwochko is spread throughout this area, and these "barbarians" trade
>furs and other goods occasionally with the nations of the south, from Hule
>to Wendar.  I would think that *whoever* lives up there are probably
>nomadic hunter gatherers, possibly with metal tools, possibly only stone.
>I base the cultures in that area in my game on the native cultures of
>Canada (mostly Algonquin) and those of Siberia (such as the Yakuts).  At
>the north end of Brun are the Thuleans, the Boreans, and the Hyperboreans,
>all of whom are similar to Eskimos/Laplanders in culture and technology.
>Of course, this area could also be filled with all sorts of humanoids and
>other monsters, all of whom could range into the Adri Varma from time to
>time .... another thing, what if there is some weird mutated herd animal
>that can only live on the plateau ... a whole culture could be based
>around making use of that animal ...

I like all these ideas.  One thing, though: if Great Hule has had such
trouble conquering these nomadic tribes to the North, there must be
something more holding them together.  I definitely like the idea of Eastern
Woodland Indian/ Eskimo populations in Central Brun, though.  You talked
about the Hyperboreans -- the Rules Cyclopedeia map shows an area called the
Hyborean Reaches, but there's also a mythological place (I believe it's
supposed to be near Scotland) on Earth called Hyperborea that seems
suspiciously similar in name to Hyborea, and would make an interesting
addition to Mystara.  I'll try to find something about it, unless anyone
posts some information specifically on the Hyboreans first.
Patrick


------------------------------

From: Leroy Van Camp III <van891@uidaho.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:37:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Daniel Boese wrote:

>  I once found a text file on the Web called "Countries of the Known World
> in the Spelljammer Universe". 
    
    The author of that one would be me.  Did you, by chance, find it on
the Mystara Mailing List home page, since that is the only place I know of
that it is available?

> It's a fairly well-done text,

    Thank you very much.  Actually, it was a quick write up I churned out
one night while bored.  I really should go back and clean it up.

>  (although it claims that Ierendi is a theocracy ruled by an Entropic
> society) 

    The article was originally two parts, with an intro.  In the intro, I
pointed out that, IMHO, the Ierendi Gazetteer was an atrocious bit of pap,
and that I had altered it for my own version of Mystara.  In my campaigns,
Ierendi is quite different from canon.
    The SJ article only has a rumour that the country is ruled by Entropic
worshippers.  This is not entirely true.

>but my copy ends with "Alphatia:  Because of it's special
> situation in spelljamming on Mystara, Alphatia has it's own chapter."

    Unfortunately, that section was never written.  I thought I had
removed the comment before posting.
    Someday I will finish the article, when I am back in a "Mystara Mode".

>  Two questions; does anybody have the Alphatian chapter? Would anybody
> like a copy of the 473-line/20K file?

    For the record, the file can be found through the MML homepage, at...

    http://www.io.com/~oryon/mysthome.htm

    Later...


                          Leroy Van Camp III
          owner-mystara-l@io.com         van891@uidaho.edu
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle."
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                 MST3K




------------------------------

From: Daniel Boese <dboese@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 22:30:16 -0400 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

> >  Two questions; does anybody have the Alphatian chapter? Would anybody
> > like a copy of the 473-line/20K file?
> No, Yes.
 I've gotten a few private e-mail requests, so I'll post this publicly.
Please note that I don't know who the author is, and at least part of it
is completely non-canon.
 And now, on with the file..

Countries of the Known World
 
in the
 
Spelljammer Universe
 
 
 
 
 
Overall
 
        The vast majority of the Known World has heard of the airships
of Alphatia.  Their first reaction to seeing a spelljamming
vessel up close will be that it hails from that country and act
accordingly.  If the ship is shaped like a creature of some
sort, some may be fearful if the ship is seen from afar.  This
will change once they have determined it to be only a ship.
 
        If  spacefarers reveal their origins, they will probably not be
believed and treated with mistrust.  If a native does believe,
due to proof, or whatever, they will probably be fearful.  This,
of course, will depend wholly on the individual.
 
 
 
Karameikos
 
        As in many countries of the Known World, Karameikan towns have
only one real rule on spelljamming ships:  Any ship that flies
over the town is considered an attacker and all efforts to knock
it out of the sky will be made.  Seaworthy vessels must land
several miles out from coastal towns and sail into the harbor. 
Ships landing on land must do so several miles away from both
the town and any major roads.  
 
        The exception to this is Fort Doom.  The word has spread that
the rulership of this town has tried to steal several
spelljamming vessels by killing it's crew.  Most spacefarers
consider it off limits.
 
        There is only one city of any consequence in Karameikos,
Specularum, it's capitol.  Docking here is 5 gp, plus 1 gp per
day for berthing.  It has no shipyards that build or repair
spelljammers specifically.  
 
        Specularum is not a very popular place amongst spelljamming
folk.  There is relatively little to see or learn, and it has no
shipyards that build or repair spelljammers specifically. 
Nearly half of the population, the Traladarans, are highly
suspicious of spacefarers, leaving merchants only small numbers
of customers.
 
        The Callarii elves of Karameikos know of spelljamming and the
Elven Imperial Fleet through connections in Alfheim, but they
have, as of yet, shown little interest,  The gnomes of High
Forge have been contacted by their tinkering cousins, but little
has come of this.  High Forge gnomes seem more concerned with
mining and trade than machines.
 
        Because the vast majority of the population have never even
heard of spelljamming, or know of life in space, they see races
such as the minotaur, dracon, thri-kreen and lizard men as
From ???@??? Thu Sep 19 17:37:17 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id PAA00422; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:50:16 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA15856 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:11:20 -0500
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:11:20 -0500
Message-Id: <199609190511.AAA15856@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #216
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: dfeaeb15a5866d5d2adac3b78f20032d

monsters to be avoided or attacked, not talked to.  The usual
reaction is to run away and get the town guard.
 
 
 
The Minrothad Guilds
 
        Of the countries of the Known World, only Alphatia has accepted
spelljamming and spacefarers more than Minrothad.  Although they
still require ships to land away from they towns before
approaching, they are greeted with interest rather than
suspicion.  Spelljamming ships are seen as a chance to increase
the range of products Minrothad merchants have access to, and
can thusly sell for profit.  Minrothad merchants know that
spelljammers are not readily accepted in most countries, and
that spacefarers are looked upon with suspicion.  This gives
them a bit of an edge, since it means space merchants have few
other places to sell their goods.  The Minrothad merchants can
then carry the goods throughout the world, selling them at
inflated prices because of there exotic look, taste or usage. 
They almost never tell their customers it's from space.
 
        Spelljamming ships pay the same costs for docking that regular
ships do.  Although none of the shipyards cater specifically to
spelljammers, many can do basic repairs (i.e. restore hull
points, patch holes, etc.).  Costs are normal.
 
        Several Minrothad merchants have bought minor helms form
Kerneth, an arcane who has set up shop in Minrothad city. 
Knowing how spacefarers are accepted in most countries, they
have chosen to use them for expanding their fleet into space
rather than planet bound cargo transportation.  Some in
Minrothad would like to see spelljamming come to be accepted in
the Known World.  This would allow goods to be moved faster and
cheaper, once ships were purchased.  Many, though, dislike this
idea.  It would remove their near monopoly on space goods.  Clan
Elsan especially hates this kind of talk.  Even if such a thing
were to happen, it is decades in the coming.
 
        Despite it's openness towards spacefarers and it's cosmopolitan
nature, many Minrothadden are still uncomfortable with the races
considered "evil" in their world, such as minotuars and lizard
men.  Non-humanoid races, such as dracon and thri-kreen are
similarly viewed.  This does not mean they will be attacked, or
even rudely treated.  They will just be avoided when possible. 
As the years progress, and these races are seen more and more,
this will pass.
 
 
 
The Republic of Darokin
 
        Despite it's mercantile similarity to Minrothad, Darokin's view
of spacefarers is quite the opposite.  It's merchants sees
spelljammers and their ships as threats to their business;
virtually none of them will deal with a known spacefarer.  And
since merchants have a lot of control of the country, they
insured laws have been enacted that encourage spelljammers to
stay away.  Docking fees are high, taxes are exorbitant, and
spacefarers are often arrested on only minor charges.  Because
of all this, only spacefarers who are ignorant of the situation,
or desperate, land in Darokin.
 
        Recently, some attempts have been made by goodly space
organizations to contact the Darokin government, through the
Darokin Diplomatic Corp.  They hope to show that most
spacefarers are not conniving merchants bent on stealing away
business.  There has been some success, but it will take a long
time.
 
        Because of the governments policies, the vast majority of
Darokin has never even heard of spelljamming, or know of life in
space, so they see races such as the minotaur, dracon,
thri-kreen and lizard men as monsters to be avoided or attacked,
not talked to.  The usual reaction is to run away and get the
town guard.
 
 
 
The Theocracy of Ierendi
 
        There have been numerous stories of spelljamming ships that
never returned from Ierendi.  Some who have landed and managed
to return speak of an evil society dedicated to the worship of
the Immortals of Entropy.  They said the populace attempted to
steal their ships and sacrifice their crews.  Because of these
reports, Ierendi is considered off limits by most spacefarers.
 
 
 
The Principalities of Glantri
 
        Glantri is not a popular place amongst most spacefarers for two
reasons.  The first is that there are no major bodies of water
to land seaworthy ships in.  This seriously restricts who can
land in Glantri.
 
        The second is because of the nature of the Glantrian people. 
The are, by and large, a group of Machiavellian intrigists,
constantly plotting to further their station and power in
society.  The rulers, all powerful wizards, are not above
attempting to confiscate ships that land in their
Principalities.  Almost no one ever lands in Glantri
 
        Despite this many of the more determined spacefaring wizards
still make their way to the capitol, Glantri City, through other
means.  This is a center of magical knowledge and learning. 
Exotic components and creatures can be acquired, sometimes at
surprisingly cheap prices.  Some also seek to learn at it's
renowned Great School of Magic.  And some wizards simply enjoy
the atmosphere.  Also, a minotaur or lizard man walking the
streets would receive nary a glance.  Non-humanoid races, such
as the dracon or thri-kreen would receive attention of a
curious, rather than hostile, nature.  They must be careful,
though.  A wizard may get too curious and attempt to steal them
away for experimentation.
 
        One the other hand, there are several groups of people who
despise Glantri.  The first are the dwarves.  Because of their
high resistance to magic, many who visit Glantri are kidnapped
by wizards for the subject of experiments.  Few dwarves are
willing to set foot in Glantri.  To a lesser extent, this also
happens with halflings.
 
        Another group that dislikes Glantri are priests.  Simply put,
the law states that religion is illegal, punishable by torture
by exposure to black pudding, followed by imprisonment.  Priests
are put to death by fire.  Spacefarers are not excepted. 
Despite this, there are priests in the underground, stealthily
trying to bring Glantri down.  Also, worship of Rad, an Immortal
of Magic, is often ignored when discovered by officials,
especially when money exchanges hands.
 
        Recently, Saigran, an arcane, has set up shop.  He has had
surprisingly few takers, though.  Most wizards in Glantri would
prefer to either pursue their own experiments, or further their
own plots for power.  Those few who have bought helms or ships
have quickly departed for the stars, eager for exploration.
 
        Despite the fact their are two clans of elves, the Imperial
Fleet has yet to make contact with them.  They have been warned
by the elves of Alfheim to be cautious.  The Imperial elves plan
to wait and watch before initiating discussions of alliance.
 
 
 
Kingdom of Rockhome
 
        For the most part, most spacefarers don't even know that the
area of Rockhome is a kingdom.  They believe the forts and towns
are all that there is, and are seen as unimportant.  They are
ignorant of the extensive underground cities.  
 
        Those who do know of the kingdom see little need to venture
there.  Places such as Smaggeft, which manufactures large
quantities of metal and stone goods, are geared towards their
current level of output.  Businessmen believe increasing their
output for trade to possibly sporadic spacefarers is a risk they
don't need.
 
        Also, most of the towns and cities have little in the way of
services that can't be acquired elsewhere.  The only city that
allows spelljamming ships to dock is Stahl.  It charges 10 gp to
dock, and 1 sp per foot of length per day to berth.  As usual,
ships are required to land a mile or two away, and then sail
into port.  Note that the port itself is on the banks of the
lake, while the city is several hundred yards up river.
 
        As in many other countries, most of the Rockhome citizenry
knows nothing of spelljamming.  Their reaction to such races as
minotaurs and dracons is usually to attack or seek help.
 
        An exception to all this are several spacefaring dwarven
nations who are in contact with King Everast XV.  They recently
gave him a forge helm as a token of alliance.  Everast is
cautiously optimistic about the alliance, seeing how well his
spaceborn cousins have down with their citadels.  Currently, one
of the peaks in the Denwarf Spur is being tunneled and separated
from the rest of the mountain.  When it is close to finished,
they will install the forge and, with the help of the space
dwarves, fully separate the peak and launch into space.  This
project is being kept secret from the population until it is
finished, when it will be revealed in a large festival and
ceremony.  Because the dwarves are being particularly careful,
it will be five to ten years until they are finished.
 
        The groundling and space dwarves working on the project
together have been getting along fabulously.  Their lifestyle
and personality are quite similar.  The only difference is that
the dwarves of Rockhome have a bit more of a mechanical bent,
although not nearly as much as tinker gnomes.  The only
exception to this goodwill is some minor disputes between the
Rockhome priests of Kagyar and the spacefaring priests.  They
have been attempting to convert some of the Rockhome dwarves to
the "traditional" pantheon of dwarven gods, such as Moradin and
Clangeddin.  They believe Kagyar is not truly a god since he
started as as mortal, and possibly a non-dwarven one at that. 
Their view is further lowered by the fact that Kagyar has many
non-dwarven worshipers.  Needless to say, this angers Kagyar's
priests.  There have even been a few bar room brawls between the
clergy.
 
        For the most part, though, this dispute ends with the clergy. 
The other dwarves see little need to argue over the point.  As
long as a dwarven god is worshipped, their happy.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The Five Shires
 
        Bluntly put, most spacefarers have little desire to visit a
country of halflings.  They either fear for their purses, or
believe the halflings have little to offer.  
 
        As of yet, no spelljamming ship has landed in the Five Shires. 
A few ships crewed by halflings have discussed visiting their
groundling cousins.  For the most part, though, they feel they
probably have little in common with them.
 
 
 
Ylaruam
 
        Due to it's history as a country that has been conquered
several times, the people of Ylaruam are very suspicious of
strangers.  Any spelljamming ship that pulls into a Ylari harbor
will be visited by an official, accompanied by several soldiers
(Order of the Pike) and a wizard (Order of the Spell).  The
captain of the ship will be politely informed that they are not
welcome in Ylaruam.  If they insist on staying, they will not be
forced away.  The official simply informs them of two rules. 
First, they are not allowed to reveal that they come from space,
but should rather indicate some terrestrial, though distant,
origin if asked.  The official warns that they may be followed
to insure this.   Second, no "monster" races are allowed off the
ship.  Only races normally native to Mystara, and civilized. 
Breaking these rules may lead to arrest and possible
confiscation of their ship.
 
        Docking costs 5 to 20 gold, depending on ship size and the mood
of the official.  Berthing is 2 gp per day.  It is virtually
impossible to find someone willing to work on a spelljammer. 
Foreigners are generally regarded with polite suspicion.  If
told about space and spelljamming, they will disbelieve,
becoming even more suspicious.
 
        There is one exception to this unwelcoming treatment.  Ships
crewed by mostly people of the other known Arabic-type
societies, such as Zhakhara of Toril, and Ekbir and Zeif of
Oerth, are greeted with suprising friendliness.  Several years
ago the Sultan of Ylaruam learned of spelljamming, and later, of
the other Arabic cultures.  It fascinated him that similar
societies could spring up on such distant worlds.  When ships
from such cultures arrive, it's captain and crew are often
invited to the Sultan's Palace for dinner, where they are
encouraged to tell stories of their home.  Their docking fees
are waived and they are offered rooms in some of the nicer inns,
at the Sultans expense.
 
        Unfortunately, few ships are manned by Arabic crews.  Recently,
however, the Sultan has been in contact with Gallarin, an
arcane.  He is planning to purchase several ships, probably
Squids and Wasps, and send them on an expedition to Toril and
Oerth.  Gallarin has provided a large number of books and maps
detailing space.  Because of the expense, and the need to train
the crew, it will be several years until the expedition leaves.
 
 
 
The Northern Reaches
 
        There has been little interaction between the kingdoms of
Ostland, Vestland, and Soderfjord and spacefarers.  They are a
mostly self sufficient people, and need little from merchants. 
Much of their society is a bit archaic, proud of their older
ways.  None of their ports offer services to spelljamming ships.
 
        Those who have landed here, though, have reported that most are
open and fairly friendly, inviting visitors in as guests in
their homes.  Reports have been that guests who abuse their
hospitality are ejected, or even attacked.  They can be a
vengeful people.
 
        Because they rarely venture far from their home, they would
only be curious of a spelljamming ship that pulled into their
harbors from seas.  They would assume it was a ship from a
distant country, such as Alphatia.
 
        When encountering "monster" races, their first instinct would
be to attack.  If they learn that they are intelligent and
civilized, they may be curious.  There was one report of a
Northman who invited a minotaur into his home as a guest when he
learned he was an intelligent, even honorable, creature.
 
        How the North will react to further incursions from space will
have to be seen.  As of yet, almost none of the populous has any
clue.
 
 
 
The Empire of Thyatis
 
        The current policy of Thyatis is plain and simple: no
spelljamming ships may land anywhere in it's borders.  This is
actually quite surprising, considering it is usually in
Thyatis's nature to empbrace new cultures.  The reason, though,
is as simple as the policy.  Alphatia, Thyatis's nemesis, has a
large fleet of airships, used for both mercantile and militairy
endeavors.  Thyatis has always had a rule of no airships in it's
borders.  The Emperor sees spelljammers as unusual appearin
airships.  Ambassadors from Alphatia, along with well meaning
space organizations, have tried to tell the Emperor the truth,
but he does not believe their "hogwash".
 
        Any attempts to land will be seen as an attack, and Thyatis
will retaliate to it's fullest ability, using the Retebius Air
Fleet, which is troops mounted on flying creatures, including
dragons!
 
 
 
Alfheim
 
        Currently, the Elven Imperial Fleet is in negotiation with
Alfheim.  They wish to use it as a base of operations, much like
Evermeet on Toril.  They wish to recruit a number of Alfheim
elves into the Fleet and create an alliance.  Alfheim is
seriously considering it.  Although they find the Fleet elves
slightly overbearing, they get along well.  Their only
stipulation is that the base will come to be run by officers
native to Alfheim within 20 years.  The Fleet has no problem
with this.  The final details are expected to be ironed out in
the coming years.  Both sides foresee a lasting alliance.
 
        Only the high-ups in each of the clans knows of the Fleet
elves.  Many of the younger ones have joined the Fleet, hoping
to get a foot hold into the future base.  Most of the Fleet
elves come to ground in flitters or by magic.  This is done away
from population centers.
 
        Alfheim does not allow non-elven ships to land.  Of course,
with it's thick forests, this is rather hard to do anyway.
 
 
 
Heldann Freeholds
 
        The first contact between the Freeholds and spacefarers was not
a promising one.  The spelljammer, a squidship owned by a
merchant companyed, attempted to land in Heldann.  It was soon
set upon by several Heldannic Warbirds, who destroyed it with
their Blight Belchers.  The only survivor was a wizard that
possessed an amulet of the planes.  When he returned word of
what happened, the merchant house swore revenge.  
 
        The Heldannic Knights believe that spelljamming ships are
little more that Alphatian airships, and will refuse to let any
land.  This means little to most spacefarers. Most have little
interest anyway.
 
 
 
Wendar
 
        As with Alfheim, the Elven Imperial Fleet has contacted the
leadership of Wendar; they would like to set up a minor base
within it's borders.  Negotiations are going much slower; the
elves of Wendar have had little contact with any other elves and
are a bit suspicious of their spacefaring cousins.  They Fleet
elves, on the other hand, see the Wendarian elves as a bit
rustic and backwards.
 
        The king of Wendar has asked for the Fleet not to reveal itself
to to general populace.  Because of this, most Wendarians have
never heard of spelljamming.
 
 
 
The Hollow World
 
        As outlined on page 127 of the DM's Sourcebook, in the Hollow
World boxed set, the anti-magic zone at each of the polar
openings disables spelljamming helms.  Fortunately, this was
determined before any ship attempted to enter.  This is now
general knowledge.
 
        Because the Worldshield prevents magical teleportation, there
has been no known exploration of the Hollow World by
spacefarers.  Recently a group of psionicists have discussed
using psionic means to cross into the world and explore.  It is
unknown of they have proceeded.
 
 
 
Alphatia
 
        Because of it's special situation in spelljamming on Mystara,
Alphatia has it's own chapter.


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #216
*****************************




mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 217


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:51:33, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] undead PCs

<<<
I may not get a chance to grab that book anytime soon, or it might 
not even
have my answer, any suggestions?
>>>

i'll help you when i get it. It seems like you have lots of questions 
about this box set. So, you can barrage me with your questions when i 
get it.  :]

____________________________________________
Tim                  mrru13a@prodigy.com



------------------------------

From: MRRU13A@prodigy.com ( TIMOTHY M DI BONA)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:46:28, -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Skothar and Davania

<<<
Of course, you can do whatever you like with Davania ... but I was 
hoping
that all of us who are interested could cooperate to map the 
unexplored
parts of Davania and create a new setting we all can share that fits 
in
with canon Mystara.>>>

I'm all for it, but i have my west coast Davania all set with history 
and everything, and it doesn't really agree with the Davania project 
now in process.  My northwestern Davania is more of an African-Asian 
type society. i have little to no work done on central Davania, and 
will enjoy helping to forge it with everyone else. So, I'll add my 
thoughts here and there, and pick and chose from everyone else's 
ideas.

As for Skothar, the MOrient is exactly how i have Skothar already. So,
 i have no problem with that at all. The only difference is that IMC, 
there was a great war around the years of 930AC - 965AC, and Skothar 
really got twisted. It has the MOrient ideas, but with a nightmareish 
twist. 

Also IMCs Skothar, as a continent, was named at the end of this 
"great war". It was named after a Mystic that played a major role in 
the war. He died 2-3 years before the war ended, and a couple years 
after the war they renamed the continent in his honor. However, many 
still refer to it as it's original name. 

------------------------------

From: Sir George Anonymous <lcdavis@mailbox.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Mystara's Giants

Hi all,

I was just curious.  Has anyone done or seen any work on Mystara's giants?
We have a lot of information on human, demihuman, and humanoid histories
and migrations, but what about giants and their kin?  I am currently
working on a hill giant lair in the hills of Thyatis (Duchy of Kerendas,
near the County of Vyalia) and I was trying to figure out how they got
there (DoE says that they exist, along with ogres).  Also, I want to
determine  how long they've been there, why the Thyatians haven't driven
them out, etc.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks in advance,



>>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

**************************************************************************
**                                                                      **
**  There are no Thyatians here.  There are no Traladarans.  There are  **
**  only citizens of Karameikos.  - King Stefan Karameikos, AC 1012     **
**                                                                      **
**************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: "Leonard Anthony P. Arcilla" <lapa@peak-two.uplb.edu.ph>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:27:46 -0800 (GMT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Black Eagle Barony and Bards

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Robert Kaelin wrote:

> 
> p.s. Bargle lives!
> 

        Alright!


=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
         "He who fights with monsters might take care,
                     lest he thereby become a monster. 
               And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
                       the abyss gazes also into you." 
- -- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"  

Mystaran Quizz/Poll Results: QOIJMTEFBGNPH


------------------------------

From: Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S <acrmarti@fma3.if.usp.br>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:12:13 -0300 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:

> > How has the large island of Ochalea been incorporated into your *Morient*
> > setting? Are Ochaleans an offshoot from sea-faring Skothar people?
> > 
> I don't think anyone had suggested that yet, but my vote is all for it.
> Ochalea is described in canon sources as having been colonized by
> Alphatians, but that doesn't make sense given the cultural disparity; it
> seems more likely that M-China was once more powerful than it is currently
> and sent colonists west; perhaps many of these could have already been
> living in Alphatia and Bellissaria when the Alphatians arrived, and been
> absorbed into their culture gradually.  Ochalea would be the only
> (relatively) untouched area left.  This probably would have had to have
> happened after the fall of Nithia.

Or not. Maybe there was a small country ruled by the same people from
MChina near Esterhold Peninsula. It could have been a small kingdom, about
to be destroyed, that promissed access to all their magical knowledge as
well as loyalty to Alphatia if they would relocate them to a safer place
where they could live in peace. The way I see it, MChina can have existed
as an advanced civilization even for the last two thousand years, but it
never got interested in expanding its domains to other barabarian and
uninteresting lands.

Andre Martins



------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:50:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Black Eagle Barony and Bards

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Robert Kaelin wrote:

> p.s. Bargle lives!

- - And he's the proprietor of a new chain of restaurants in Darokin, 
featuring big chested women who supplement their income by picking your 
pockets while you're not looking. It's called "Looters." 

p.p.s- I hear that he's booked Elvis for an exclusive tour of all of his 
restaurants.



------------------------------

From: Anias Pasi <a122286@proffa.cc.tut.fi>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 08:13:10 +0200 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Hurricane

> regret in purchasing that was that at the time I was choosing whether to buy
> that or DA3 City of the Gods.  I decided I'd get DA3 later and before I
> could return to the hobby store where I saw it, a hurricane came and blew
> the place away! 

Spooky!                                 :)
Could that have been a hint?            :)

Seriously, think what a story this could have made.
I can see the headlines...
Gods wrath destroyed an evil roleplayinggame-shop!
Heheheee... well that wasnt too serious....

Pasi


P.S. Obviously we dont have hurricanes in Finland, so please forgive
me my loose attitude towars the destruction caused by them.



- -- 
X  Pasi Anias           X  p.931-2533536   X       \\|//       X
X  Sammonkatu 28 A 18   X  a122286@proffa  X       (o o)       X
X  33540 Tampere        X   .cc.tut.fi     X  o000--(_)--000o  X

------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 02:05:49 PDT
Subject: [Mystara] "A Hot Day in L'Trel" in Kelvin and the Iron Ring

Hi again,

        I forgot to mention another way to use that adventure in Kelvin (not
like I'm trying to sell anybody, but I just want to share the idea in case
it tickles anyone's fancy).  Kelvin seems like a good choice because it's
close to L'Trel in population.  Anyway, there is mention of slavers
abducting people during the chaos of the fire's aftermath, and that role can
easily be filled by the Iron Ring.

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu        |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709             |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland  |~
~| Amateur conguero; Q(O+H)Q(G+W)AEEEBGKUS Mystaran; P75 on Ethernet |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 01:41:15 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Hurricane, + Fires!

At 08:13 AM 9/19/96 +0200, you wrote:
>> regret in purchasing that was that at the time I was choosing whether to buy
>> that or DA3 City of the Gods.  I decided I'd get DA3 later and before I
>> could return to the hobby store where I saw it, a hurricane came and blew
>> the place away! 
>
>Spooky!                                        :)
>Could that have been a hint?           :)
>
>Seriously, think what a story this could have made.
>I can see the headlines...
>Gods wrath destroyed an evil roleplayinggame-shop!
>Heheheee... well that wasnt too serious....

        I don't think the wrath was directed just at the shop, since the
rest of Homestead, Florida looked like it had been stomped upon by a few
titans afterwards. Fortunately I never lived there.  I had made a far trip
out to go that store.  Gaming shops are very rare in the greater Miami area

>P.S. Obviously we dont have hurricanes in Finland, so please forgive
>me my loose attitude towars the destruction caused by them.

        Well, like most things in life, hurricanes are serious and yet it's
hard to retain sanity without trying to retain one's sense of humor.  There
are people out there who have T-shirts that say  "I survived Hurricane
Andrew."  On one hand they are survivors and deserve to laugh a little since
they made it (although not necessarily with their homes), on the other hand
that reinforces the fact that others didn't survive it.  Oh well, off topic.
        Hey, while on the subject of natural disasters, I was thinking of
tinkering with and running a Dungeon adventure, "A Hot Day in L'trel,"
(Issue #44) in Mystara.  It would be Kelvin that got burned down.  Looks
like a great adventure for putting characters from potentially very
different areas together for a long time for a realistic reason.  It could
also pave the way for other Karameikan events.  For example, magic-user
magic is illegal in Kelvin.  Because the great fire is the result of a major
magical research 'oops', one could have this event be the reason for the ban
(so that before it magic was legal) or can have the researcher live on the
outskirts of the city and have Kelvin begin a magic-user witch hunt.  Really
cool to have generally "good guys" start doing bad things because of serious
dogma.  Also, rebuilding Kelvin after the fire could be a good reason for
the unearthing of Lavv (see the adventure ideas section in GAZ1), as the
castle is rebuilt.  I also thing it's good to introduce adventures where
there is something other than a standard villain at the heart of a problem.
Broader political concerns or natural disasters are a nice alternative, I think.

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu        |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709             |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland  |~
~| Amateur conguero; Q(O+H)Q(G+W)AEEEBGKUS Mystaran; P75 on Ethernet |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:48:52 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

At 18.22 17/09/96 -0400, Starhawk wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
>
>> At 00.03 14/09/96 -0400, Estlor wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> >Glantri: Red shield with 13 partial or whole hour-glasses in yellow.
>> 
>> I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
>> be 10 hourglasses, right ?
>> Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?
>
>You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
>difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?

Newer and older principalities maybe.
How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?

>> 
>> >Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.
>> 
>> Actually on an old Dragon Magazine the symbol of Sind is quite complex, but
>> it has a sunburst in the middle. IMO this fits better with the Sindian
>> landscape than a tower, the only reason I can find for this change could be
>> the Hulean invasion during WotI, but this doesn't sound good either.
>> Moreover the Hulean coat of arms is a yellow hand on a purple shield, while
>> the tower is the symbol of Hojah IIRC.
>> 
>
>Hmmmm.  Good question, any ideas on which one it should be?

I think the one with the sumburst.
BTW: the tower is the symbol of Frisonnia, not Hojah.
 
>
>> What about Alphatia ? Can someone give a name to that thing on the cover of
>> book 1 (or 2) in the DoE boxed set ?
>> 
>
>Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
>
Androsphinx ?
But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:48:55 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

At 15.38 17/09/96 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
>
>> Speaking of which, who are the natives of the Adri Varma?  IMC a group of
>> Flaemish rebels have built bases in the area, led by a Wizard named
>> Macabellus; but I hadn't really given much thought to an indigenous
>> human/oid population.  Perhaps the locals are similar to the Mystics of
>> Lhamsa (i.e. M-Tibetan?)
>
>I would presume, from most of the information (however limited) on this 
>area, that 1) it is a fairly hostile environment, and not very hospitable 
>to settlers of any kind, 2) the primary groups of humans living here 
>would likely be Urduk nomads (from the Sind region), and/or Antalian 
>types from the northern areas (Wendar, etc.)- perhaps the two groups have 
>interbred over time. At any rate, I would imagine them to be primarily 
>nomadic, hunter-gatherer type peoples, perhaps on the fringe of 
>pastoralism. Given the seemingly limited water on the plateau, I would 
>say that they would likely be seasonally migratory, having a 
>semi-sedentary lifestyle near that large river during the monsoon season, 
>and living nomadic lifestyles the rest of the year. 3) There might be 
>some elves from Glantri/Wendar areas, though given the terrain, I find 
>this unlikely. 4) Humanoids, notorious for living in hostile terrain, 
>could be in abundance here, especially given their penchant for mass 
>migration in former years- likely remnants of Akkila-Khan's migration. 
>IMC, there is a small society of semi-civilized 'noids living here, under 
>the protection of an Ogre-Mage. 5) There could be ruins of ancient 
>civilizations here, just waiting to be uncovered. Given the proximity of 
>the AD Plateau to the reputed location of the Kingdom of Blackmoor (in 
>the North Central area of Brun, just south of Hyboria), these could very 
>likely be ruins of some former Barony of the (once) great Thonian Empire- 
>perhaps even the capital city of Mohacs itself!!!
>
>Just a few ideas....

Two other ideas:
1) Remnants of Lupins nomads travelling from Glantri (Nouvelle Averoigne) to
the Savage Coast
2) Adri Varma Plateau is a safe place for outer-world spaceships to land on,
i.e. Rakastas from Myoshima could land there undisturbed from time to time

One of those Survival Kits shows the AVP as Hulean territory, maybe the
Master just claimed the plateau for himself and nobody opposed him.

IMC I often show the Plateau to my PC as a place where to build their
dominons undisturbed from other rulers, they can even claim the title of
Emperor... but the don't look eager to settle there... :-) 

**************
Fabrizio Paoli                  brizio@lunet.it            
DM in City Of The Stars 
aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
                                        


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Skothar and Davania

Tim Di Bonna wrote in a message dated 96-09-18 15:27:27:

>I've read somewhere that a race of green-skinned, 
>white haired humans live in Northern Davania. They're suposed to be 
>from another world, and recently have come to Mystara.

Emerond was first mentioned in Princess Ark episode # 13 in DRAGON(R)
Magazine Issue #166. Also check PWA III, page 20 & 104.

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:36:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

Patrick and Matt wrote:

>> The map in WotI shows saguaro cacti all
>> over the badlands in this area, although the location should make this
area
>> way too cold for saguaros.  Is WotI wrong?  Are these just some sort of
>> wierd things that just LOOK like saguaros?  Is this area strangely
effected
>> by some sort of magic that makes it warm (similar to the explanation for
>> Ylaruams warmth)?  
>
>I think the saguaros should be left out, they were probably a mistake ...
>though there could be some other strange desert plant up there ...

But of course, these must be the notorious northern saguaros! (says-he with a
straight face). These are the result of a Glantrian agricultural experiment
gone astray. These things are like kudzu growing out of control. They have
the ability to leach warmth from the sunrays and from hapless creatures
wandering nearby. After second thought,  Glantrians left their failed
experiment to grow there as a deterrent against nomadic incursions and
monstrous visits. (Hey, it's fantasy, right!)    :)

Bruce Heard





------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:48:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

In a message dated 96-09-18 19:14:44 EDT, Matt wrote:

>Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
>tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
>cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
>Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
>that desolate wasteland.

Actually, a good deal of information on the original history behind the
Nucleus being moved appears in Wrath if the Immortals (pages 7-8 of the
adventure booklet).

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:42:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

In a message dated 96-09-18 18:38:50 EDT,Shin Chyang Yu wrote:

>Welcome Mr. heard, I hope
>you don't get a heart attack when you read some of the stuff we
>did or plan to do on Mystara.

Well just about, but not for the reasons you guessed. The shock came from my
mail box this morning!  It took more than 15 minutes to print all that stuff.
   :)

Bruce Heard



------------------------------

From: Anias Pasi <a122286@proffa.cc.tut.fi>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:35:03 +0200 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

> >> What about Alphatia ? Can someone give a name to that thing on the cover of
> >> book 1 (or 2) in the DoE boxed set ?
> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> Androsphinx ?
> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?

I would believe it was an mistake, but now that it has happened:

 Maybe The Androsphinx symbol is an relic from their homeland. An
symbol used by the Alphatians already when they left the Old Alphatia.


By the way. Has anyone else noted an little error in the DoE books?
In my copy, in alphatias booklet there is this Androsphinks on cover,
and in Thyatias booklet there is something else (a head? cant remember)
on the cover. But in the interior the shady figures on each page are
Thyatis:Androsphinx and Alphatia:thesomething. A nice little mix-up,
but an hard one to note, as the pictures in the paper are only shades.
Take a look on your books...  

Pasi

- -- 
X  Pasi Anias           X  p.931-2533536   X       \\|//       X
X  Sammonkatu 28 A 18   X  a122286@proffa  X       (o o)       X
X  33540 Tampere        X   .cc.tut.fi     X  o000--(_)--000o  X

------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:09:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> >You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
> >difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?
> 
> Newer and older principalities maybe.
> How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?

I looked at the shield again.  The partial hourglasses get cut off by the
edge of the shield.  Perhaps its just a pattern.

> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> >
> Androsphinx ?
> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> 
Because in D&D the only sphinxes that exist on Mystara are andro- and
gyno-, respectively known as male and female sphinxes.  So in D&D terms
its a male sphinx.  Its really more a matter of Latin vs. English than
AD&D vs. D&D.


------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:07:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara's Giants

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Sir George Anonymous wrote:

> I was just curious.  Has anyone done or seen any work on Mystara's giants?
> We have a lot of information on human, demihuman, and humanoid histories
> and migrations, but what about giants and their kin?  I am currently
> working on a hill giant lair in the hills of Thyatis (Duchy of Kerendas,
> near the County of Vyalia) and I was trying to figure out how they got
> there (DoE says that they exist, along with ogres).  Also, I want to
> determine  how long they've been there, why the Thyatians haven't driven
> them out, etc.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I don't recall too much on Mystaran giants, aside from AC10(?) Dragons 
and Giants (which doesn't have a lot of specific information on Mystaran 
giants, just giants in general), and there is mention of them in GAZ7 The 
Northern Reaches. 

IIRC, GAZ7 mentions that the Giantish races were among the first 
civilized races. What exactly this means is up to you. I would probably 
say that they are somehow related to Titans, and other Immortal level 
creatures (I recall mention of a giant which is similar in power level to 
immortals- Great Giants or something), and not as closely related to 
humans et al, as the humanoids. At least, the greater giant races 
(Mountain, Sea, Storm, Cloud). 

As for the lesser Giant races (Fire, Frost, Hill, Stone), I'd put them in 
the same sort of relationship to Greater Giants that 'noids have to 
humans- sort of degenerate offspring. This is all IMHO, of course, but it 
would make for an interesting sort of project, now that you bring it up.

As for how they got to that area of Thyatis, I'd say that the ogres are 
probably descendants of one of the great 'noid migrations- either Wogar 
(though he's more to the West) or whatsisface, the orc-king (you know, he 
was trapped under the broken lands, migrated to Norwold... drawing a 
blank here...). The hill giants could have participated in the migration 
as well, making these their descendants, or else could have migrated from 
the Northern Reaches, and enslaved the weaker ogres.

------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #217
*****************************




mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 218


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:16:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> >
> Androsphinx ?
> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?

Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where 
they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand, but 
it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug up 
in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's shaking 
his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's head. 
Shedu, maybe?

------------------------------

From: "Leonard Anthony P. Arcilla" <lapa@peak-two.uplb.edu.ph>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:12:03 -0800 (GMT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> Androsphinx ?
> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?

        (*tee-hee*) Don't know if you're serious but IMHO: I believe 
there were stats for a Sphinx monster in OD&D (probably given in the 
Master DM's book and/or the RC)

Just my two c.p.s,

Later,

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
         "He who fights with monsters might take care,
                     lest he thereby become a monster. 
               And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
                       the abyss gazes also into you." 
- -- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"  

Mystaran Quizz/Poll Results: QOIJMTEFBGNPH


------------------------------

From: "Leonard Anthony P. Arcilla" <lapa@peak-two.uplb.edu.ph>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:18:56 -0800 (GMT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Notorious Northern Saguaros...

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 TSRBruce@aol.com wrote:

> 
>These are the result of a Glantrian agricultural experiment
> gone astray. These things are like kudzu growing out of control. They have
> the ability to leach warmth from the sunrays and from hapless creatures
> wandering nearby. 

        Leach warmth? Would it be wrong to assume that these "notorious   
northern saguaros" would be a bit like the brown mold?

'Jez wunderin',
  
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
         "He who fights with monsters might take care,
                     lest he thereby become a monster. 
               And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
                       the abyss gazes also into you." 
- -- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "Beyond Good and Evil"  

Mystaran Quizz/Poll Results: QOIJMTEFBGNPH


------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:02:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mystara] Re: your mail

O(OFSH)O(GW)MEEEBB(BCW)(US)

Bruce Pierpont



------------------------------

From: Shelby Michlin <shelby7@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 19:14:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

- -- [ From: Shelby Michlin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

>  Two questions; does anybody have the Alphatian chapter? Would anybody
like a
> copy of the 473-line/20K file?


I don't have it, but I definitely want them both!
Shelby
shelby7@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

From: "Shane" <sleepy@pop.peg.apc.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:00:57 +1000
Subject: [Mystara] Shadow Lord of Denagoth?

On 17 Sep 96, Matthew Levy wrote:
[major snippage]
> If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
> not be able to stop him.

Is there a 'canon' ruler of Denagoth in AC1000 onwards? The interesting
thing about module X11, Saga of the Shadow Lord, is that you can get two
dates on it by cross-referencing with the Poor Wizard's Almanacs (two
dates, because there's a discrepancy between the Geographic Overview,
which indicates Gylharen received the Elvenstar about AC810, and the
Who's Who, which indicates he received it about AC910).

The adventure thus takes place thirty years later (AC840 or AC940), and
since Gylharen still has his throne in AC1012, I'm presuming the
Elvenstar was recovered and the Shadow Lord of Denagoth didn't get his
mitts on the Blackstick (a Rod of Undead Rulership, which seemed to be
a higher-powered form of a Generic-item of Undead Control; at least,
X11 mentions Teriak needs it gain control over "legions of undead").
However, the Almanacs have this to say: "Important Figures: The Shadow
Lord, a necromancer who rose to power in the past. Some suspect he may
still rule parts of Denagoth." If Teriak (the Shadow Lord) is still
'alive' in AC1000+ then the Master may offer something worth Teriak
making trouble again. Alternatively, Teriak may indeed have succeeded
in obtaining the Blackstick, in which case he has been spending the
past 170 (or 70) years quietly amassing an enormous army of undead!

IMC, after the party retrieved the Elvenstar, on their way back to
Wendar they routed Teriak's army from its camp near the village (one
player commented something like "wasn't it thoughtful of Teriak to have
cloudkill in his spellbook" - the trio of mages in the party had a
ball with that spell), and did manage to keep Teriak from getting the
Blackstick. I'd be interested to know if later modules made any mention
of Teriak's canonical fate.

(that trio of players, having reached name level during the adventure,
 decided to ask - in lieu of the King's intended reward of baronies on
 Wendar's northern borders - Gylharen's help in claiming Denagoth itself.
 Ambitious little magelings, weren't they. ;)

"Rightho, you've got your gem back, now how about you make us princes
and we'll go take Denagoth for you." -- but they did at least phrase it
a great deal more politely, as I recall. They didn't get to be instant
royalty, but they did claim Denagoth (well, sort of... the humanoids
were disputing the issue when some of the players moved interstate)
- --
Shane, Australia (sleepy@peg.apc.org + http://www.peg.apc.org/~sleepy)
      disclaimer - I might have no idea what I'm talking about
  This message sent using 100% recycled electrons - mileage varies!

------------------------------

From: "Shane" <sleepy@pop.peg.apc.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:00:57 +1000
Subject: [Mystara] Aleena and Bargle

On 18 Sep 96, StarHawk wrote:
[snip]
> Depends on how you look at it.  The Expert set actually developed the
> world, but Threshold is the town in the Basic set.  You'll notice the
> NPC's in the first (very, very first) adventure in the basic set are
> Bargle and Aleena, i.e. Bargle the Infamous and Aleena Halaran albeit
> at much lower levels. Also the B series of modules set up a good
> portion of Karameikos (though I've heard some were tweeked slightly to
> make them fit when b1-9 was published due to some discrepancies).

The mention of Aleena Halaran caight my attention - in the Basic set 
that I have (May '83, red cover, fighter, red dragon) in the "Your 
first adventure", two ending scenarios were given: in one Bargle 
escapes, Aleena dies, in the other, Bargle can escape or die, but 
Aleena still perishes. So is Aleena Halaran definitely the same cleric 
(raised, presumably) or a different person?
- --
Shane, Australia (sleepy@peg.apc.org + http://www.peg.apc.org/~sleepy)
      disclaimer - I might have no idea what I'm talking about
  This message sent using 100% recycled electrons - mileage varies!

------------------------------

From: Peter Balazs <a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:56:16 +0200
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

>By the way. Has anyone else noted an little error in the DoE books?
>In my copy, in alphatias booklet there is this Androsphinks on cover,
>and in Thyatias booklet there is something else (a head? cant remember)
>on the cover. But in the interior the shady figures on each page are
>Thyatis:Androsphinx and Alphatia:thesomething. A nice little mix-up,
>but an hard one to note, as the pictures in the paper are only shades.
>Take a look on your books... =20

I=B4ve also noticed these errors in my box of DoE. (By the way thesomething=
 is
an eagle (or a similar bird of prey) with two lightnings in his talons!).

I think, I can remeber, that I=B4ve read, that this error was corrected in
later editions of DoE. Maybe it was in Dragon magazine. But as I=B4m not
really sure, maybe not.


***************************************************************************
                                Peter Balazs
                          (a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at)
                     http://radon.mat.univie.ac.at/~pbalazs
***************************************************************************


------------------------------

From: "Kevin Augenstein" <kevinaug@ihug.co.nz>
Date: 20 Sep 96 23:05:30 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-00012930
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
>
>> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the
right.
>> >
>> Androsphinx ?
>> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR
use
>a
>> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
>
>Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where

>they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand,
but 
>it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug
up 
>in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's
shaking 
>his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's
head. 
>Shedu, maybe?
>
Isn't the Androsphinx based on a pre-Babalonian culture. I think is
Assyrian, but I'm not to sure, I based a country around it in my own
campagin. 
___________________
Kevin Finn Augenstein
kevinaug@ihug.co.nz
___________________



- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-00012930
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-00012931"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-00012931
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PARAM>Geneva</PARAM>>On Thu,
19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

>

>> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the
right.

>> >

>> Androsphinx ?

>> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR
use

>a

>> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?

>

>Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where


>they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand,
but 

>it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug
up 

>in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's
shaking 

>his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's
head. 

>Shedu, maybe?

</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE><X-FONTSIZE><PARAM>12</PARAM><FONTFAMILY><PAR=
AM>Geneva</PARAM>>

Isn't the Androsphinx based on a pre-Babalonian culture. I think is
Assyrian, but I'm not to sure, I based a country around it in my own
campagin. 

___________________

Kevin Finn Augenstein

kevinaug@ihug.co.nz

___________________

</FONTFAMILY></X-FONTSIZE>
- --Cyberdog-MixedBoundary-00012931--

- --Cyberdog-AltBoundary-00012930--


------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> 
> > >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> > >
> > Androsphinx ?
> > But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> > non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> 
> Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where 
> they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand, but 
> it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug up 
> in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's shaking 
> his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's head. 
> Shedu, maybe?
> 
You get more points than I do.  I just looked in the Monster Manual under
Shedu, Wings, human head, horse body.  Shpinxes are, wings, human head,
lions body.  The Alphatian picture has hooves, so I'd go with Shedu.
Which I believe still raises the above question.


------------------------------

From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Aleena and Bargle

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Shane wrote:

> On 18 Sep 96, StarHawk wrote:
From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:03 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id DAA03785; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 03:38:57 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28783 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:03 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:03 -0500
Message-Id: <199609201712.MAA28783@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #218
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 164797750dcd655409a003f4c1a3b74d

> [snip]
> > Depends on how you look at it.  The Expert set actually developed the
> > world, but Threshold is the town in the Basic set.  You'll notice the
> > NPC's in the first (very, very first) adventure in the basic set are
> > Bargle and Aleena, i.e. Bargle the Infamous and Aleena Halaran albeit
> > at much lower levels. Also the B series of modules set up a good
> > portion of Karameikos (though I've heard some were tweeked slightly to
> > make them fit when b1-9 was published due to some discrepancies).
> 
> The mention of Aleena Halaran caight my attention - in the Basic set 
> that I have (May '83, red cover, fighter, red dragon) in the "Your 
> first adventure", two ending scenarios were given: in one Bargle 
> escapes, Aleena dies, in the other, Bargle can escape or die, but 
> Aleena still perishes. So is Aleena Halaran definitely the same cleric 
> (raised, presumably) or a different person?
> --

Its assumed that she lives no matter what the ending (a number of products
assume endings from others, WotI for example).  Though the Karameikos 
Gazeteer does say that if you've already established from events in the
D&D Basic set that Aleena is dead to rename her Anielle Halaran.




------------------------------

From: deg121@psu.edu (Dan Groves)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:40:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

>
>By the way. Has anyone else noted an little error in the DoE books?
>In my copy, in alphatias booklet there is this Androsphinks on cover,
>and in Thyatias booklet there is something else (a head? cant remember)
>on the cover. But in the interior the shady figures on each page are
>Thyatis:Androsphinx and Alphatia:thesomething. A nice little mix-up,
>but an hard one to note, as the pictures in the paper are only shades.
>Take a look on your books...  
Yep... mine have it too... I also have the mispelled stuff highlighted with
corrections in my copy.  When I first got it from the Mail Order Hobby shop
a few years ago it was already opened and a bit battered... I was thinking
of sending it back... except it took forever for them to process this
order... I didn't want to wait another two or three months to get a copy in
decent shape.

Some people say my love cannot be true
please believe me, my love, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal
The sun, the moon, the stars all bear my seal
       - Black Sabbath

Why settle for the lesser of two evils when you can have
the greatest of all evil!  Vote Cthulhu in '96!


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:40:40 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --GAA17905.843226840/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:40:38 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --GAA17905.843226840/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id GAA17904 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:40:38 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200090 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:34:02 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:33:44 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.6.33.44.2648551851.3023325@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3023325ab8500ab13366ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3023325ab8500ab13366ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200089 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:33:28 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA26594 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:30:08 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA26568 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:19:34 -0500
Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [206.157.60.1]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10636 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:05:32 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from port94-auck.ihug.co.nz (port94-Auck.ihug.co.nz [202.49.254.94]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA27015 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:00:25 +1200 (NZST)
Date: 20 Sep 96 23:05:30 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
From: "Kevin Augenstein" <kevinaug@ihug.co.nz>
To: mystara-l@io.com
X-Mailer: Cyberdog/1.1
Message-Id: <AE68D3D4-12F5C@202.49.254.94>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

>On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
>
>> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the
right.
>> >
>> Androsphinx ?
>> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR
use
>a
>> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
>
>Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where

>they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand,
but
>it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug
up
>in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's
shaking
>his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's
head.
>Shedu, maybe?
>
Isn't the Androsphinx based on a pre-Babalonian culture. I think is
Assyrian, but I'm not to sure, I based a country around it in my own
campagin.
___________________
Kevin Finn Augenstein
kevinaug@ihug.co.nz
___________________





- --tcpsmtp3023325ab8500ab13366ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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- --tcpsmtp3023325ab8500ab13366ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3023325ab8500ab13366ab--



- --GAA17905.843226840/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:55:38 +-200
Subject: [Mystara] Emerond

>>I've read somewhere that a race of green-skinned,=20
>>white haired humans live in Northern Davania. They're suposed to be=20
>>from another world, and recently have come to Mystara.
>
>Emerond was first mentioned in Princess Ark episode # 13 in DRAGON(R)
>Magazine Issue #166. Also check PWA III, page 20 & 104.

A first question: does PWA III really exist? I've always thought that =
PWA II was the last one...

In my campaign, Emerond is treatening Karameikos (where the PCs are =
soldiers) with an army of giant insects. Karameikan Army (and the PCs) =
repelled the first attack, and wants to counter-attack; so I'm looking =
for more infos about the Kingdom of Emerond. I've checked PWA II, can =
anyone a brief summary of the Princess Ark episode # 13 in DRAGON(R) =
Magazine Issue #166?

Thanks a lot!

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it

------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:58:20 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --IAA18421.843235100/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:58:18 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --IAA18421.843235100/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id IAA18420 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:58:18 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200444 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:51:38 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:46:58 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.8.46.58.2648551851.3023712@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200441 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:45:52 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA27252 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:32:44 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27173 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:18:21 -0500
Received: from menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.89.81]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14908 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:51:54 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (starhawk@localhost) by menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04932 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:51:52 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960919161103.21790F-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.960920084939.4391A-100000@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> 
> > >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> > >
> > Androsphinx ?
> > But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> > non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> 
> Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where 
> they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand, but 
> it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug up 
> in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's shaking 
> his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's head. 
> Shedu, maybe?
> 
You get more points than I do.  I just looked in the Monster Manual under
Shedu, Wings, human head, horse body.  Shpinxes are, wings, human head,
lions body.  The Alphatian picture has hooves, so I'd go with Shedu.
Which I believe still raises the above question.





- --IAA18421.843235100/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #218
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:09 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id HAA08700; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:05:38 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00759 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:53 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:53 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202027.PAA00759@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #219
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: b643f776957cfb8e1bb3e29bdc7cc539


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 219


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:28 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --JAA18632.843237028/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:27 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --JAA18632.843237028/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id JAA18631 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:27 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200545 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:23:46 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:23:24 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.9.23.24.2648551851.3023823@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Aleena and Bargle
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200539 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:21:50 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA27242 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:32:07 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27190 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:24:29 -0500
Received: from menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.89.81]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15456 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:03:23 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (starhawk@localhost) by menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05643 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:03:21 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Aleena and Bargle
In-Reply-To: <199609200900.TAA06930@clothes.peg.apc.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.960920085611.4391B-100000@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Shane wrote:

> On 18 Sep 96, StarHawk wrote:
> [snip]
> > Depends on how you look at it.  The Expert set actually developed the
> > world, but Threshold is the town in the Basic set.  You'll notice the
> > NPC's in the first (very, very first) adventure in the basic set are
> > Bargle and Aleena, i.e. Bargle the Infamous and Aleena Halaran albeit
> > at much lower levels. Also the B series of modules set up a good
> > portion of Karameikos (though I've heard some were tweeked slightly to
> > make them fit when b1-9 was published due to some discrepancies).
> 
> The mention of Aleena Halaran caight my attention - in the Basic set 
> that I have (May '83, red cover, fighter, red dragon) in the "Your 
> first adventure", two ending scenarios were given: in one Bargle 
> escapes, Aleena dies, in the other, Bargle can escape or die, but 
> Aleena still perishes. So is Aleena Halaran definitely the same cleric 
> (raised, presumably) or a different person?
> --

Its assumed that she lives no matter what the ending (a number of products
assume endings from others, WotI for example).  Though the Karameikos 
Gazeteer does say that if you've already established from events in the
D&D Basic set that Aleena is dead to rename her Anielle Halaran.







- --JAA18632.843237028/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 12:49:38 EDT
Subject: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor

> On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> >     If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
> > from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
> > On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
> > almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
> > wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
> > while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
> > within the darklands now.
> > 
> >                             Geoff>
> 
> Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
> tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
> cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
> Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
> that desolate wasteland.

        Who says? I think many scholars from Glantri and Alphatia (and nations
yet to be created by our imaginations) would have gone on "archaeological
expeditions" - mere fronts for their real purpose (power).  In my
campaign, groups of Alphatian and Glantrian mages are competing for
control over Blackmoor relics, all the while keeping secret the fact that
they have found out where it was (ie: northern Skothar).  I also have a
rogue Blackmoorian mage running around under many aliases - harassing the
PCs (who are trying to uncover the Blackmoor mystery itself, because in my
world it's a legend) and being a perfect DM tool.  Don't ask why he's
still around, I just chalk it up to ancient Blackmoorian technologies,
which the PCs will never get.  Besides, he's a perfect villain.
        I would place Mohacs in the Plains of Rust, in the middle of the
Thonian marches (I made this up - basically a vast desert composed of rust
from all those Blackmoorian machines, good for an apocalyptic scenario,
where half-barbarians fight over remnants of past glory (some of this I
borrowed from this group).

                                        Geoff

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:06:21 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --JAA18505.843235581/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:06:20 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --JAA18505.843235581/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id JAA18504 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:06:20 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200470 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:59:40 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:55:26 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.8.55.26.2648551851.3023746@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200468 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:54:52 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA27401 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:00:50 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA27369 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:56:23 -0500
Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17597 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:40:38 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from nb3slip20.cac.psu.edu (nb3slip20.cac.psu.edu [146.186.17.20]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA229050 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:40:32 -0400
Message-Id: <199609201340.JAA229050@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
X-Sender: deg121@email.psu.edu
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:40:26 -0400
To: mystara-l@io.com
From: deg121@psu.edu (Dan Groves)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

>
>By the way. Has anyone else noted an little error in the DoE books?
>In my copy, in alphatias booklet there is this Androsphinks on cover,
>and in Thyatias booklet there is something else (a head? cant remember)
>on the cover. But in the interior the shady figures on each page are
>Thyatis:Androsphinx and Alphatia:thesomething. A nice little mix-up,
>but an hard one to note, as the pictures in the paper are only shades.
>Take a look on your books...  
Yep... mine have it too... I also have the mispelled stuff highlighted with
corrections in my copy.  When I first got it from the Mail Order Hobby shop
a few years ago it was already opened and a bit battered... I was thinking
of sending it back... except it took forever for them to process this
order... I didn't want to wait another two or three months to get a copy in
decent shape.

Some people say my love cannot be true
please believe me, my love, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal
The sun, the moon, the stars all bear my seal
       - Black Sabbath

Why settle for the lesser of two evils when you can have
the greatest of all evil!  Vote Cthulhu in '96!





- --JAA18505.843235581/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:53:36 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --JAA18787.843238416/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:53:34 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --JAA18787.843238416/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id JAA18786 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:53:34 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200621 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:46:52 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:45:24 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.9.45.24.2648551851.3023902@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Emerond
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200619 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:44:10 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA27618 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:21 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA27592 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:26:42 -0500
Received: from accursio.comune.bologna.it (accursio.comune.bologna.it [193.207.1.1]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19106 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:03:13 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from a01gw2.iperbole.bologna.it (a01gw2.iperbole.bologna.it [193.207.2.1]) by accursio.comune.bologna.it (8.7.1/IPERBOLE-1.0) with SMTP id QAA21744 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:09:47 +0200 (METDST)
Received: by a01gw2.iperbole.bologna.it with Microsoft Mail
        id <01BBA70D.2E0036C0@a01gw2.iperbole.bologna.it>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:02:53 +-200
Message-ID: <01BBA70D.2E0036C0@a01gw2.iperbole.bologna.it>
From: Gabriele Ferri <fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it>
To: "'Mystara discussion list'" <mystara-l@io.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Emerond
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:55:38 +-200
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

>>I've read somewhere that a race of green-skinned, 
>>white haired humans live in Northern Davania. They're suposed to be 
>>from another world, and recently have come to Mystara.
>
>Emerond was first mentioned in Princess Ark episode # 13 in DRAGON(R)
>Magazine Issue #166. Also check PWA III, page 20 & 104.

A first question: does PWA III really exist? I've always thought that PWA II was the last one...

In my campaign, Emerond is treatening Karameikos (where the PCs are soldiers) with an army of giant insects. Karameikan Army (and the PCs) repelled the first attack, and wants to counter-attack; so I'm looking for more infos about the Kingdom of Emerond. I've checked PWA II, can anyone a brief summary of the Princess Ark episode # 13 in DRAGON(R) Magazine Issue #166?

Thanks a lot!

Gabriele Ferri - fif3336@iperbole.bologna.it




- --JAA18787.843238416/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu (Andrew McKinstry)
Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:30:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

Cthuludrew wrote:

> Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where 
> they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand, but 
> it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug up 
> in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's shaking 
> his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's head. 
> Shedu, maybe?
> 

I think it was the Asyrians,  I saw the statues you were talking about in the
British Museum last year, and they look like Androsphinxes (Do Androsphinxes
have wings?  Because the statues I saw had wings)

Andrew McKinstry
(Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu, Telrathin@aol.com)

------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:04:40 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --KAA18857.843239080/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:04:38 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --KAA18857.843239080/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id KAA18856 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:04:38 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200657 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:57:54 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:55:06 -0800 
From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:09 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id HAA08700; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:05:38 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00759 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:53 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:53 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202027.PAA00759@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #219
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: b643f776957cfb8e1bb3e29bdc7cc539

Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.9.55.6.2648551851.3023938@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3023938ab8500ab20195ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3023938ab8500ab20195ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200655 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:54:32 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA27546 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:16:24 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA27428 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:01:47 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17520 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:39:22 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id GAA17905; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:40:40 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:40:40 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201340.GAA17905@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3023938ab8500ab20195ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBHQUExNzkwNCBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDY6NDA6MzggLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDAwOTAgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA2OjM0OjAyIC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA2OjMzOjQ0IC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC42LjMzLjQ0LjI2NDg1NTE4NTEuMzAyMzMyNUBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBDb2F0IG9mIEFybXMNClRvOiBtYWdudXNAbWFpbC5h
bm5leC5jb20NCk1JTUUtVmVyc2lvbjogMS4wDQpDb250ZW50LVR5cGU6IG11bHRpcGFydC9taXhl
ZDsgYm91bmRhcnk9InRjcHNtdHAzMDIzMzI1YWI4NTAwYWIxMzM2NmFiIg0KDQoNCiogTm90ZSAq
IFRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBjb250YWlucyBhbiBhdHRhY2hlbWVudCB0aGF0IGhhcyBiZWVuIGVuY29k
ZWQgdXNpbmcNCiogTm90ZSAqIHRoZSBNSU1FIHN0YW5kYXJkLiBJZiB5b3Ugc2VlIHRoaXMgcG9y
dGlvbiBvZiB0aGUgbWVzc2FnZSwgdGhlDQoqIE5vdGUgKiBtYWlsIGNsaWVudCB5b3UgYXJlIHVz
aW5nIGRvZXMgbm90IHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgTUlNRS4NCg0KLS10Y3BzbXRwMzAyMzMyNWFiODUwMGFi
MTMzNjZhYg0KQ29udGVudC1UeXBlOiB0ZXh0L3BsYWluDQpDb250ZW50LVRyYW5zZmVyLUVuY29k
aW5nOiA3Yml0DQoNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbSBbMTk5LjE3MC44OC4xNV0g
YnkgYmJzLmFubmV4LmNvbSB3aXRoIHNtdHANCglpZCAkVDIwMDA4OSA7IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5
OTYgMDY6MzM6MjggLTA4MDANClJlY2VpdmVkOiAoZnJvbSByb290QGxvY2FsaG9zdCkgYnkgbGlz
dHMuaW8uY29tICg4LjYuMTIvOC42LjEyKSBpZCBHQUEyNjU5NCBmb3IgbXlzdGFyYS1sLW91dGdv
aW5nOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA2OjMwOjA4IC0wNTAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBkZWxp
dmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gKGRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlvLmNvbSBbMTk5LjE3MC44OC4xN10pIGJ5IGxp
c3RzLmlvLmNvbSAoOC42LjEyLzguNi4xMikgd2l0aCBFU01UUCBpZCBHQUEyNjU2OCBmb3IgPG15
c3RhcmEtbEBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20+OyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA2OjE5OjM0IC0wNTAwDQpS
ZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBpaHVnLmNvLm56IChpaHVnLmNvLm56IFsyMDYuMTU3LjYwLjFdKSBieSBk
ZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gKDguNy41LzguNy4zKSB3aXRoIEVTTVRQIGlkIEdBQTEwNjM2IGZv
ciA8bXlzdGFyYS1sQGlvLmNvbT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDY6MDU6MzIgLTA1MDAgKENE
VCkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIHBvcnQ5NC1hdWNrLmlodWcuY28ubnogKHBvcnQ5NC1BdWNrLmlo
dWcuY28ubnogWzIwMi40OS4yNTQuOTRdKSBieSBpaHVnLmNvLm56ICg4LjcuNS84LjcuMykgd2l0
aCBTTVRQIGlkIFhBQTI3MDE1IGZvciA8bXlzdGFyYS1sQGlvLmNvbT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5
OTYgMjM6MDA6MjUgKzEyMDAgKE5aU1QpDQpEYXRlOiAyMCBTZXAgOTYgMjM6MDU6MzAgKzAwMDAN
ClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbTXlzdGFyYV0gQ29hdCBvZiBBcm1zDQpGcm9tOiAiS2V2aW4gQXVnZW5z
dGVpbiIgPGtldmluYXVnQGlodWcuY28ubno+DQpUbzogbXlzdGFyYS1sQGlvLmNvbQ0KWC1NYWls
ZXI6IEN5YmVyZG9nLzEuMQ0KTWVzc2FnZS1JZDogPEFFNjhEM0Q0LTEyRjVDQDIwMi40OS4yNTQu
OTQ+DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLW15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClByZWNlZGVuY2U6IGJ1bGsNClJl
cGx5LVRvOiBteXN0YXJhLWxAaW8uY29tDQoNCj5PbiBUaHUsIDE5IFNlcCAxOTk2LCBGYWJyaXpp
byBQYW9saSB3cm90ZToNCj4NCj4+ID5BbmRyb3NwaGlueC4gIEkgd291bGQgYXNzdW1lIHdoaXRl
IG9uIHJlZCBzaGllbGQsIHdhbGtpbmcgdG8gdGhlDQpyaWdodC4NCj4+ID4NCj4+IEFuZHJvc3Bo
aW54ID8NCj4+IEJ1dCB0aGlzIGlzIGFuIEFEJkQgbW9uc3RlciBJSVJDLCBub3QgYSBEJkQgb25l
LCBzbyB3aHkgc2hvdWxkIFRTUg0KdXNlDQo+YQ0KPj4gbm9uLUQmRCBtb25zdGVyIGZvciBhIEQm
RCBzdXBwbGVtZW50ID8NCj4NCj5CZWNhdXNlIGl0IGlzIGFuIGFjdHVhbCBoaXN0b3JpY2FsIG1v
bnN0ZXIsIHRob3VnaCBJIGRvbid0IGtub3cgd2hlcmUNCg0KPnRoZXkgZXZlciB0ZXJtZWQgaXQg
YW4gQW5kcm9zcGhpbnguIEkgY2FuJ3QgcmVjYWxsIHRoZSBuYW1lIG9mZmhhbmQsDQpidXQNCj5p
dCB3YXMgYSBmaWd1cmUgZnJvbSBHcmVlayBteXRob2xvZ3kuIFN0YXR1ZXMgbGlrZSB0aGlzIG9u
ZSB3ZXJlIGR1Zw0KdXANCj5pbiAob2gsIGhlbGxzLCB3aGVyZSB3YXMgaXQtIE1pbm9hPyBOby4u
LiBteSBCdXJpZWQgQ2l2LiBwcm9mJ3MNCnNoYWtpbmcNCj5oaXMgaGVhZCByaWdodCBub3cuLi4p
LiBJdCdzIHRoYXQgd2luZ2VkIGJ1bGwgdGhpbmcgd2l0aCB0aGUgbWFuJ3MNCmhlYWQuDQo+U2hl
ZHUsIG1heWJlPw0KPg0KSXNuJ3QgdGhlIEFuZHJvc3BoaW54IGJhc2VkIG9uIGEgcHJlLUJhYmFs
b25pYW4gY3VsdHVyZS4gSSB0aGluayBpcw0KQXNzeXJpYW4sIGJ1dCBJJ20gbm90IHRvIHN1cmUs
IEkgYmFzZWQgYSBjb3VudHJ5IGFyb3VuZCBpdCBpbiBteSBvd24NCmNhbXBhZ2luLg0KX19fX19f
X19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KS2V2aW4gRmlubiBBdWdlbnN0ZWluDQprZXZpbmF1Z0BpaHVnLmNvLm56
DQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KLS10Y3BzbXRwMzAyMzMyNWFiODUwMGFi
MTMzNjZhYg0KQ29udGVudC1UeXBlOiBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbi9vY3RldC1zdHJlYW07IG5hbWU9IkZJ
TEUuRVhUIg0KQ29udGVudC1UcmFuc2Zlci1FbmNvZGluZzogYmFzZTY0DQpDb250ZW50LURpc3Bv
c2l0aW9uOiBhdHRhY2htZW50OyBmaWxlbmFtZT0iRklMRS5FWFQiDQoNCkRRb3RMVU41WW1WeVpH
OW5MVTFwZUdWa1FtOTFibVJoY25rdE1EQXdNVEk1TXpFTkNrTnZiblJsYm5RdFZIbHdaVG9nZEdW
NGRDOWwNCmJuSnBZMmhsWkRzZ1kyaGhjbk5sZEQxSlUwOHRPRGcxT1MweERRcERiMjUwWlc1MExW
UnlZVzV6Wm1WeUxVVnVZMjlrYVc1bk9pQngNCmRXOTBaV1F0Y0hKcGJuUmhZbXhsRFFvTkNqeFlM
VVpQVGxSVFNWcEZQanhRUVZKQlRUNHhNand2VUVGU1FVMCtQRVpQVGxSR1FVMUoNClRGaytQRkJC
VWtGTlBrZGxibVYyWVR3dlVFRlNRVTArUGs5dUlGUm9kU3dOQ2pFNUlGTmxjQ0F4T1RrMkxDQkdZ
V0p5YVhwcGJ5QlENCllXOXNhU0IzY205MFpUb05DZzBLUGcwS0RRbytQaUErUVc1a2NtOXpjR2hw
Ym5ndUlDQkpJSGR2ZFd4a0lHRnpjM1Z0WlNCM2FHbDANClpTQnZiaUJ5WldRZ2MyaHBaV3hrTENC
M1lXeHJhVzVuSUhSdklIUm9aUTBLY21sbmFIUXVEUW9OQ2o0K0lENE5DZzBLUGo0Z1FXNWsNCmNt
OXpjR2hwYm5nZ1B3MEtEUW8rUGlCQ2RYUWdkR2hwY3lCcGN5QmhiaUJCUkNaRUlHMXZibk4wWlhJ
Z1NVbFNReXdnYm05MElHRWcNClJDWkVJRzl1WlN3Z2MyOGdkMmg1SUhOb2IzVnNaQ0JVVTFJTkNu
VnpaUTBLRFFvK1lRMEtEUW8rUGlCdWIyNHRSQ1pFSUcxdmJuTjANClpYSWdabTl5SUdFZ1JDWkVJ
SE4xY0hCc1pXMWxiblFnUHcwS0RRbytEUW9OQ2o1Q1pXTmhkWE5sSUdsMElHbHpJR0Z1SUdGamRI
VmgNCmJDQm9hWE4wYjNKcFkyRnNJRzF2Ym5OMFpYSXNJSFJvYjNWbmFDQkpJR1J2YmlkMElHdHVi
M2NnZDJobGNtVU5DZzBLRFFvK2RHaGwNCmVTQmxkbVZ5SUhSbGNtMWxaQ0JwZENCaGJpQkJibVJ5
YjNOd2FHbHVlQzRnU1NCallXNG5kQ0J5WldOaGJHd2dkR2hsSUc1aGJXVWcNCmIyWm1hR0Z1WkN3
TkNtSjFkQ0FOQ2cwS1BtbDBJSGRoY3lCaElHWnBaM1Z5WlNCbWNtOXRJRWR5WldWcklHMTVkR2h2
Ykc5bmVTNGcNClUzUmhkSFZsY3lCc2FXdGxJSFJvYVhNZ2IyNWxJSGRsY21VZ1pIVm5EUXAxY0NB
TkNnMEtQbWx1SUNodmFDd2dhR1ZzYkhNc0lIZG8NClpYSmxJSGRoY3lCcGRDMGdUV2x1YjJFL0lF
NXZMaTR1SUcxNUlFSjFjbWxsWkNCRGFYWXVJSEJ5YjJZbmN3MEtjMmhoYTJsdVp5QU4NCkNnMEtQ
bWhwY3lCb1pXRmtJSEpwWjJoMElHNXZkeTR1TGlrdUlFbDBKM01nZEdoaGRDQjNhVzVuWldRZ1lu
VnNiQ0IwYUdsdVp5QjMNCmFYUm9JSFJvWlNCdFlXNG5jdzBLYUdWaFpDNGdEUW9OQ2o1VGFHVmtk
U3dnYldGNVltVS9EUW9OQ2p3dlJrOU9WRVpCVFVsTVdUNDgNCkwxZ3RSazlPVkZOSldrVStQRmd0
Ums5T1ZGTkpXa1UrUEZCQlVrRk5QakV5UEM5UVFWSkJUVDQ4Ums5T1ZFWkJUVWxNV1Q0OFVFRlMN
ClBRMEtRVTArUjJWdVpYWmhQQzlRUVZKQlRUNCtEUW9OQ2tsemJpZDBJSFJvWlNCQmJtUnliM053
YUdsdWVDQmlZWE5sWkNCdmJpQmgNCklIQnlaUzFDWVdKaGJHOXVhV0Z1SUdOMWJIUjFjbVV1SUVr
Z2RHaHBibXNnYVhNTkNrRnpjM2x5YVdGdUxDQmlkWFFnU1NkdElHNXYNCmRDQjBieUJ6ZFhKbExD
QkpJR0poYzJWa0lHRWdZMjkxYm5SeWVTQmhjbTkxYm1RZ2FYUWdhVzRnYlhrZ2IzZHVEUXBqWVcx
d1lXZHANCmJpNGdEUW9OQ2w5ZlgxOWZYMTlmWDE5ZlgxOWZYMTlmWDE4TkNnMEtTMlYyYVc0Z1Jt
bHViaUJCZFdkbGJuTjBaV2x1RFFvTkNtdGwNCmRtbHVZWFZuUUdsb2RXY3VZMjh1Ym5vTkNnMEtY
MTlmWDE5ZlgxOWZYMTlmWDE5ZlgxOWZYdzBLRFFvOEwwWlBUbFJHUVUxSlRGaysNClBDOVlMVVpQ
VGxSVFNWcEZQZzBLTFMxRGVXSmxjbVJ2WnkxTmFYaGxaRUp2ZFc1a1lYSjVMVEF3TURFeU9UTXhM
UzBOQ2cwSw0KLS10Y3BzbXRwMzAyMzMyNWFiODUwMGFiMTMzNjZhYg0KQ29udGVudC1UeXBlOiB0
ZXh0L3BsYWluDQpDb250ZW50LVRyYW5zZmVyLUVuY29kaW5nOiA3Yml0DQoNCg0KLS10Y3BzbXRw
MzAyMzMyNWFiODUwMGFiMTMzNjZhYi0tDQoNCg0KDQo=
- --tcpsmtp3023938ab8500ab20195ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3023938ab8500ab20195ab--



- --KAA18857.843239080/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 TSRBruce@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Patrick and Matt wrote:
> 
> >> The map in WotI shows saguaro cacti all
> >> over the badlands in this area, although the location should make this
> area
> >> way too cold for saguaros.  Is WotI wrong?  Are these just some sort of
> >> wierd things that just LOOK like saguaros?  Is this area strangely
> effected
> >> by some sort of magic that makes it warm (similar to the explanation for
> >> Ylaruams warmth)?  
> >
> >I think the saguaros should be left out, they were probably a mistake ...
> >though there could be some other strange desert plant up there ...
> 
> But of course, these must be the notorious northern saguaros! (says-he with a
> straight face). These are the result of a Glantrian agricultural experiment
> gone astray. These things are like kudzu growing out of control. They have
> the ability to leach warmth from the sunrays and from hapless creatures
> wandering nearby. After second thought,  Glantrians left their failed
> experiment to grow there as a deterrent against nomadic incursions and
> monstrous visits. (Hey, it's fantasy, right!)    :)
> 
> Bruce Heard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Leave it to the Master himself to save us from our error ... I love this!
Now the question is, what sort of bizarre creature would live off of this
crop?  Yes, I know there are no natural predators, but perhaps the
Glantrians could introduce one ... which becomes an even bigger problem
... i.e. Mongeese (Mongooses?) in Hawaii ...

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, StarHawk wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> 
> > >You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
> > >difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?
> > 
> > Newer and older principalities maybe.
> > How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?
> 
> I looked at the shield again.  The partial hourglasses get cut off by the
> edge of the shield.  Perhaps its just a pattern.
> 
> > >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> > >
> > Androsphinx ?
> > But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> > non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> > 
> Because in D&D the only sphinxes that exist on Mystara are andro- and
> gyno-, respectively known as male and female sphinxes.  So in D&D terms
> its a male sphinx.  Its really more a matter of Latin vs. English than
> AD&D vs. D&D.
> 
> 

I agree, only it's Greek vs. English, not Latin.  Andro= Greek "Male",
Gyno= Greek "Female".


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> > > How has the large island of Ochalea been incorporated into your *Morient*
> > > setting? Are Ochaleans an offshoot from sea-faring Skothar people?
> > > 
> > I don't think anyone had suggested that yet, but my vote is all for it.
> > Ochalea is described in canon sources as having been colonized by
> > Alphatians, but that doesn't make sense given the cultural disparity; it
> > seems more likely that M-China was once more powerful than it is currently
> > and sent colonists west; perhaps many of these could have already been
> > living in Alphatia and Bellissaria when the Alphatians arrived, and been
> > absorbed into their culture gradually.  Ochalea would be the only
> > (relatively) untouched area left.  This probably would have had to have
> > happened after the fall of Nithia.
> 
> Or not. Maybe there was a small country ruled by the same people from
> MChina near Esterhold Peninsula. It could have been a small kingdom, about
> to be destroyed, that promissed access to all their magical knowledge as
> well as loyalty to Alphatia if they would relocate them to a safer place
> where they could live in peace. The way I see it, MChina can have existed
> as an advanced civilization even for the last two thousand years, but it
> never got interested in expanding its domains to other barabarian and
> uninteresting lands.
> 
> Andre Martins
> 
> 
> 

sounds good.  Maybe the impending destruction of Old Ochalea was in some
way a result of the arrival of the Alphatians (let's face it, theymust
have made quite a stir).

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara's Giants

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Sir George Anonymous wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was just curious.  Has anyone done or seen any work on Mystara's giants?
> We have a lot of information on human, demihuman, and humanoid histories
> and migrations, but what about giants and their kin?  I am currently
> working on a hill giant lair in the hills of Thyatis (Duchy of Kerendas,
> near the County of Vyalia) and I was trying to figure out how they got
> there (DoE says that they exist, along with ogres).  Also, I want to
> determine  how long they've been there, why the Thyatians haven't driven
> them out, etc.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> >>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

I would be very interested in seeing what you come up with.  I am still
working on my (quasi-)comprehensive list of sentient races on Mystara and
Giants are one of the problem categories ... Other than the PWA series,
all official sources seem to agree that only the types of Giants covered
in the B-X-C-M series/Rules Cyclopedia exist ... but PWA3 says there are
Verbeegs in the Black Mountaints and Firbolgs in Minaea, Cyclopskin in the
HW, and Mountain Giants in several areas ... Is it possible that Giants
are an offshoot of Beastmen as are goblinoids?  Or are they a seperate
genus entirely?  What is their relationship to Trolls, Ogres, etc.? Did
they perhaps come from another plane (i.e. an original Jotunheim?) do Fire
Giants live on another plane and come only to hot areas on Mystara?
Are Storm Giants who live undersea a seperate race of Sea Giants, or are
they the same species?  What is the history of the Hunakoi on the Isle of
Dawn (see M5)?  Any thoughts on these questions?
m@2


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #219
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:14 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id IAA09973; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:05:40 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01516 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:39:53 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:39:53 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202139.QAA01516@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #220
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 0bd251d09efb9f8bea4adfc11b8db881


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 220


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:33:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> At 18.22 17/09/96 -0400, Starhawk wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> >
> >> At 00.03 14/09/96 -0400, Estlor wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >Glantri: Red shield with 13 partial or whole hour-glasses in yellow.
> >> 
> >> I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
> >> be 10 hourglasses, right ?
> >> Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?
> >
> >You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
> >difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?
> 
> Newer and older principalities maybe.
> How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?
> 
> >> 
> >> >Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.
> >> 
> >> Actually on an old Dragon Magazine the symbol of Sind is quite complex, but
> >> it has a sunburst in the middle. IMO this fits better with the Sindian
> >> landscape than a tower, the only reason I can find for this change could be
> >> the Hulean invasion during WotI, but this doesn't sound good either.
> >> Moreover the Hulean coat of arms is a yellow hand on a purple shield, while
> >> the tower is the symbol of Hojah IIRC.
> >> 
> >
> >Hmmmm.  Good question, any ideas on which one it should be?
> 
> I think the one with the sumburst.
> BTW: the tower is the symbol of Frisonnia, not Hojah.
>  
> >
> >> What about Alphatia ? Can someone give a name to that thing on the cover of
> >> book 1 (or 2) in the DoE boxed set ?
> >> 
> >
> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> >
> Androsphinx ?
> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> 
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli                        brizio@lunet.it            
> DM in City Of The Stars 
> aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
> aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
> Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
>                                       
> 
> 

"Androsphinx" is just the AD&D name for the male time of the identical
OD&D monster called just "Sphinx", which is the symbol of Alphatia.  Don't
be so literal.
m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:37:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

> 
> Two other ideas:
> 1) Remnants of Lupins nomads travelling from Glantri (Nouvelle Averoigne) to
> the Savage Coast

I like that!  Does Red Steel actually say that the Lupins there are from
N. Averoigne?  It makes a lot of sense anyway; I don't particularly fancy
the MMCA entry which says they are an offshoot race of werewolves, it
doesn't sound consistent.

> 2) Adri Varma Plateau is a safe place for outer-world spaceships to land on,
> i.e. Rakastas from Myoshima could land there undisturbed from time to time

How about Spelljammers?
Perhaps it could even have a hidden base of some spacefaring race who are
interested in Glantri but don't want to get too close.  The Githyanki, or
Illithids, or all sorts of people might have an underground hideout on the
plateau from whence they could send spies across the border ...

> 
> One of those Survival Kits shows the AVP as Hulean territory, maybe the
> Master just claimed the plateau for himself and nobody opposed him.

Or nobody else makes an "official" claim, so that's what all mapmakers
settle for.

> 
> IMC I often show the Plateau to my PC as a place where to build their
> dominons undisturbed from other rulers, they can even claim the title of
> Emperor... but the don't look eager to settle there... :-) 
> 
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli                        brizio@lunet.it            
> DM in City Of The Stars 
> aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
> aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
> Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
>                                       
> 
> 


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Shadow Lord of Denagoth?

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Shane wrote:

> On 17 Sep 96, Matthew Levy wrote:
> [major snippage]
> > If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
> > not be able to stop him.
> 
> Is there a 'canon' ruler of Denagoth in AC1000 onwards? The interesting
> thing about module X11, Saga of the Shadow Lord, is that you can get two
> dates on it by cross-referencing with the Poor Wizard's Almanacs (two
> dates, because there's a discrepancy between the Geographic Overview,
> which indicates Gylharen received the Elvenstar about AC810, and the
> Who's Who, which indicates he received it about AC910).
> 
> The adventure thus takes place thirty years later (AC840 or AC940), and
> since Gylharen still has his throne in AC1012, I'm presuming the
> Elvenstar was recovered and the Shadow Lord of Denagoth didn't get his
> mitts on the Blackstick (a Rod of Undead Rulership, which seemed to be
> a higher-powered form of a Generic-item of Undead Control; at least,
> X11 mentions Teriak needs it gain control over "legions of undead").
> However, the Almanacs have this to say: "Important Figures: The Shadow
> Lord, a necromancer who rose to power in the past. Some suspect he may
> still rule parts of Denagoth." If Teriak (the Shadow Lord) is still
> 'alive' in AC1000+ then the Master may offer something worth Teriak
> making trouble again. Alternatively, Teriak may indeed have succeeded
> in obtaining the Blackstick, in which case he has been spending the
> past 170 (or 70) years quietly amassing an enormous army of undead!

(snip again)

I suppose it all is a question of canon-ness again.  IMC X11 is current,
although I'm not sure what "current" is since so many other things in my
campaign are non-canon and I don't even use the same calendar.  I try to
toe a nebulous line between staying consistent with the TSR output and
just doing whatever the hell I feel like ... sometimes I forget little
discrepancies (such as that in most Mystaras, X11 is already old hat).
But certainly all those humanoids and Dark Lancers could not *all* have
been pacified by 1013 AC?  I need to check PWA on this, see what the
official state of Denagoth is supposed to be.

m@2


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:
> >that can only live on the plateau ... a whole culture could be based
> >around making use of that animal ...
> 
> I like all these ideas.  One thing, though: if Great Hule has had such
> trouble conquering these nomadic tribes to the North, there must be
> something more holding them together.  I definitely like the idea of Eastern
> Woodland Indian/ Eskimo populations in Central Brun, though.  You talked
> about the Hyperboreans -- the Rules Cyclopedeia map shows an area called the
> Hyborean Reaches, but there's also a mythological place (I believe it's
> supposed to be near Scotland) on Earth called Hyperborea that seems
> suspiciously similar in name to Hyborea, and would make an interesting
> addition to Mystara.  I'll try to find something about it, unless anyone
> posts some information specifically on the Hyboreans first.
> Patrick
> 
> 

Check back to the earlier posting (last spring) that someone made about
Hyperborea ... the general consensus seemed to be that Hyborea was based
on it, but the version given in Robert Howard's Conan stories, not the
Earth mythology version ... not that there isn't probably overlap.  I
don't think there needs to be any great "organization" present in northern
Brun to keep the Master out ... his troops would be at a disadvantage
against the natives in forest terrain (where cavalry, juggernauts, etc.
are useless) and anyway unless there are some valuable resources there,
why bother?  Remember that the Master, though he might *eventually* like
to control the entire surface of Mystara, will (as any logical strategist)
go for the highest gain for the lowest cost first; the KW (especially when
weakened by internal strife, and by Alphatia) is a much richer target than
virtually any other spot on the planet (though arguably the Savage
Baronies and their Red Steel deposits make a lot of sense too).  Also, I
don't think it is necessary for Hosadus to outright conquer everybody
around ... he may settle for alliance, domination, favorable trade
relations, etc. .... think of the Roman Empire and its allied
dependencies, or Hitler's Germany and the minor Axis Powers like Hungary,
Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia ...  
IMC Hosadus has developed a tenuous alliance with Ierendi, which hugely
increases his leverage against the KW (because he has a naval power
guarding his coasts, etc.) much more than the outright conquest of
northern Brun would ... what would it get him?



------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> > On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:
> 
> > >   If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
> > > from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
> > > On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
> > > almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
> > > wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
> > > while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
> > > within the darklands now.
> > > 
> > >                           Geoff>
> > 
> > Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
> > tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
> > cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
> > Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
> > that desolate wasteland.
> 
>       Who says? I think many scholars from Glantri and Alphatia (and nations
> yet to be created by our imaginations) would have gone on "archaeological
> expeditions" - mere fronts for their real purpose (power).  In my
> campaign, groups of Alphatian and Glantrian mages are competing for
> control over Blackmoor relics, all the while keeping secret the fact that
> they have found out where it was (ie: northern Skothar).  I also have a
> rogue Blackmoorian mage running around under many aliases - harassing the
> PCs (who are trying to uncover the Blackmoor mystery itself, because in my
> world it's a legend) and being a perfect DM tool.  Don't ask why he's
> still around, I just chalk it up to ancient Blackmoorian technologies,
> which the PCs will never get.  Besides, he's a perfect villain.
>       I would place Mohacs in the Plains of Rust, in the middle of the
> Thonian marches (I made this up - basically a vast desert composed of rust
> from all those Blackmoorian machines, good for an apocalyptic scenario,
> where half-barbarians fight over remnants of past glory (some of this I
> borrowed from this group).


Neat! Kind of a Mystaran Mad Max setting.  What about humanoids with
semi-functional blaster cannons, halftracks, hovercrafts, whatever ...
perhaps each item that still works could be a kind of magic item ... also
wouldn't such an area attract thousands of rust monsters, perhaps Xorn,
etc ...?
What else do you have worked out on Thonia?  Are you willing to share with
the rest of us hungry M-vultures?

m@2


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:19 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --MAA19373.843247399/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:17 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --MAA19373.843247399/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id MAA19372 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:17 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201071 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:30 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:22 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.16.22.2648551851.3024396@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3024396ab8500ab25099ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3024396ab8500ab25099ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201070 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:00 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28821 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:59 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28770 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:10:24 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02966 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:52:17 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id JAA18787; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:53:36 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:53:36 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201653.JAA18787@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3024396ab8500ab25099ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:14 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id IAA09973; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:05:40 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01516 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:39:53 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:39:53 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202139.QAA01516@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #220
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 0bd251d09efb9f8bea4adfc11b8db881
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- --tcpsmtp3024396ab8500ab25099ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3024396ab8500ab25099ab--



- --MAA19373.843247399/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:31:04 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --LAA19103.843244264/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:31:03 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --LAA19103.843244264/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id LAA19102 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:31:03 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T200892 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:24:16 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:14:02 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.11.14.2.2648551851.3024197@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3024197ab8500ab22977ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3024197ab8500ab22977ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T200887 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:12:48 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA28507 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:32:48 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28473 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:27:01 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28358 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:57:01 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id IAA18421; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:58:20 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:58:20 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201558.IAA18421@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3024197ab8500ab22977ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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=
- --tcpsmtp3024197ab8500ab22977ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3024197ab8500ab22977ab--



- --LAA19103.843244264/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

> >
> Isn't the Androsphinx based on a pre-Babalonian culture. I think is
> Assyrian, but I'm not to sure, I based a country around it in my own
> campagin.
> ___________________
> Kevin Finn Augenstein
> kevinaug@ihug.co.nz
> ___________________
> 
> 
> 

Whereabouts?  The land of Nimmur on the Orc's Head Peninsula is quite
Babylonian-like ... maybe the Enduks, Ee'ar and Manscorpions know
something about the history of Sphinxes, Shedu or whatever.  
Also, IIRC the source material for Serraine (PC?) says Sphinxes were
created by the Immortal Grammaton.  Now, I don't know if there are other
sources for this Immortal in Mystara, and I hope I'm not going to offend
anyone, but Grammaton makes me think of the Tetragrammaton, which is what
the Name of God is called in Jewish mysticism (Tetra meaning four, for the
four letters YHVH).  Grammaton is described as an immortal who loves
puzzles and word games (which is why sphinxes are how they are), which
also fits the Jewish tradition of Qabbala.  Could it be that there are
Jews on Mystara?  We already have quasi-Catholics and quasi-Muslims so I
see no reason why anybody should be upset by the existence of a people who
worship M-Yahweh.  In real history the Hebrews did emerge from Babylonia
originally and were associated with it in later periods (by getting
captured and enslaved!) so perhaps M-Israel is near Nimmur.  Then again
they were also associated with Egypt, so maybe Nithia is a better choice.

My Mystara campaign has long (15 years) revolved around a culture of my
own devising who live in the north-central plains of the Isle of Dawn,
near Trikelios and Ekto.  While these people (known as the Mehirgudi) are
not precisely based on Jews, I did borrow elements of Jewish culture and
history ... as well as bits of other cultures, such as the early
Anglo-Saxons and the medieval Slavs (which is not surprising I suppose
because I am of, among other things, Jewish, Slavic, and WASP ancestry
...) and rolled it all into one semi-nomadic culture who live on the
borders of Thothia.  In the past they have come into contact with the
Thothians and the Alphatians and have even allied with Thyatis in their
struggle for freedom ... much of the campaign has revolved around their
royal family, the House of Trefban (based loosely on the Kings after
David, and on Arthurian legend), who have a long and convoluted history.
Over the last 15 years I have played 5 Trefban characters (each an
offspring or sibling of the one before) in succession, and currently I
have one of my players playing the heir to the throne, Jarakesh, who has
just returned to their homeland after being trapped on another plane ...
it may be hard to fit big "nations" in the holes of the mystara map, but
it's relatively easy to find a spot for a small, tightly knit group to
have a rich history and culture all its own.  I've even got a glossary of
500+ words in the Mehirgudi language (after 15 years of playing and DM'ing
you give in completely to the impulse to Geek Out and overdetail
everything).

m@2
 



------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --MAA19253.843246979/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:16 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --MAA19253.843246979/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id MAA19252 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:16 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201045 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:09:30 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:06:48 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.6.48.2648551851.3024363@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201038 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:06:04 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28875 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:18:36 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28755 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:40 -0500
Received: from wabakimi.carleton.ca (ggander@wabakimi.carleton.ca [134.117.1.98]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02718 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:49:24 -0500 (CDT)
Received: (from ggander@localhost) by wabakimi.carleton.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA00989 for mystara-l@io.com; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:49:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geoff Gander <ggander@chat.carleton.ca>
Message-Id: <199609201649.MAA00989@wabakimi.carleton.ca>
Subject: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor
To: mystara-l@io.com
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 12:49:38 EDT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960918134222.16560D-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>; from "Matthew Levy" at Sep 18, 96 1:43 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

> On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> >     If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
> > from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
> > On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
> > almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
> > wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
> > while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
> > within the darklands now.
> > 
> >                             Geoff>
> 
> Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
> tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
> cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
> Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
> that desolate wasteland.

        Who says? I think many scholars from Glantri and Alphatia (and nations
yet to be created by our imaginations) would have gone on "archaeological
expeditions" - mere fronts for their real purpose (power).  In my
campaign, groups of Alphatian and Glantrian mages are competing for
control over Blackmoor relics, all the while keeping secret the fact that
they have found out where it was (ie: northern Skothar).  I also have a
rogue Blackmoorian mage running around under many aliases - harassing the
PCs (who are trying to uncover the Blackmoor mystery itself, because in my
world it's a legend) and being a perfect DM tool.  Don't ask why he's
still around, I just chalk it up to ancient Blackmoorian technologies,
which the PCs will never get.  Besides, he's a perfect villain.
        I would place Mohacs in the Plains of Rust, in the middle of the
Thonian marches (I made this up - basically a vast desert composed of rust
from all those Blackmoorian machines, good for an apocalyptic scenario,
where half-barbarians fight over remnants of past glory (some of this I
borrowed from this group).

                                        Geoff

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Geoff Gander                               
Political Science IV
Carleton University
General wanderer by principle, adventurer by profession
Email address: ggander@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------




- --MAA19253.843246979/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #220
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:21 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id JAA12224; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:33:10 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02313 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:59:02 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:59:02 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202259.RAA02313@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #221
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: ed58f50b48ef072cf83c09c430ff3c4b


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 221


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:32 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19550.843250172/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:31 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19550.843250172/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19549 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:31 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201220 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:02:42 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:53:38 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.53.38.2648551851.3024541@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Aleena and Bargle
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201209 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:52:42 -0800
Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with ESMTP id FAA17342 for <magnus@annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:37:00 -0700
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA26171 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:15:52 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA26106 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:05:24 -0500
Received: from clothes.peg.apc.org (www.peg.apc.org [192.131.13.10]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03732 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:01:18 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from Default (v34.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.226]) by clothes.peg.apc.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06930 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:00:20 +1000 (EST)
Message-Id: <199609200900.TAA06930@clothes.peg.apc.org>
Comments: Authenticated sender is <sleepy@pop.peg.apc.org>
From: "Shane" <sleepy@pop.peg.apc.org>
To: mystara-l@IO.COM
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:00:57 +1000
Subject: [Mystara] Aleena and Bargle
Priority: normal
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23)
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM

On 18 Sep 96, StarHawk wrote:
[snip]
> Depends on how you look at it.  The Expert set actually developed the
> world, but Threshold is the town in the Basic set.  You'll notice the
> NPC's in the first (very, very first) adventure in the basic set are
> Bargle and Aleena, i.e. Bargle the Infamous and Aleena Halaran albeit
> at much lower levels. Also the B series of modules set up a good
> portion of Karameikos (though I've heard some were tweeked slightly to
> make them fit when b1-9 was published due to some discrepancies).

The mention of Aleena Halaran caight my attention - in the Basic set 
that I have (May '83, red cover, fighter, red dragon) in the "Your 
first adventure", two ending scenarios were given: in one Bargle 
escapes, Aleena dies, in the other, Bargle can escape or die, but 
Aleena still perishes. So is Aleena Halaran definitely the same cleric 
(raised, presumably) or a different person?
- --
Shane, Australia (sleepy@peg.apc.org + http://www.peg.apc.org/~sleepy)
      disclaimer - I might have no idea what I'm talking about
  This message sent using 100% recycled electrons - mileage varies!




- --NAA19550.843250172/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --MAA19239.843246737/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:15 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --MAA19239.843246737/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id MAA19238 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:15 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201035 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:28 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:04:40 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.4.40.2648551851.3024355@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3024355ab8500ab24724ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3024355ab8500ab24724ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201030 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:03:12 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA28602 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:46:16 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28568 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:40:02 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01004 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:29:10 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id JAA18632; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:28 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:28 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201630.JAA18632@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@IO.COM>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3024355ab8500ab24724ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBKQUExODYzMSBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDk6MzA6MjcgLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDA1NDUgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA5OjIzOjQ2IC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA5OjIzOjI0IC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC45LjIzLjI0LjI2NDg1NTE4NTEuMzAyMzgyM0BiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBBbGVlbmEgYW5kIEJhcmdsZQ0KVG86IG1hZ251c0Bt
YWlsLmFubmV4LmNvbQ0KDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20gWzE5OS4xNzAuODgu
MTVdIGJ5IGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gd2l0aCBzbXRwDQoJaWQgJFQyMDA1MzkgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNl
cCAxOTk2IDA5OjIxOjUwIC0wODAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogKGZyb20gcm9vdEBsb2NhbGhvc3QpIGJ5
IGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbSAoOC42LjEyLzguNi4xMikgaWQgSUFBMjcyNDIgZm9yIG15c3RhcmEtbC1v
dXRnb2luZzsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwODozMjowNyAtMDUwMA0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20g
ZGVsaXZlcmF0b3IuaW8uY29tIChkZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gWzE5OS4xNzAuODguMTddKSBi
eSBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20gKDguNi4xMi84LjYuMTIpIHdpdGggRVNNVFAgaWQgSUFBMjcxOTAgZm9y
IDxteXN0YXJhLWxAbGlzdHMuaW8uY29tPjsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwODoyNDoyOSAtMDUw
MA0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gbWVuZ2VyLmVlY3Muc3RldmVucy10ZWNoLmVkdSAoc3Rhcmhhd2tA
bWVuZ2VyLmVlY3Muc3RldmVucy10ZWNoLmVkdSBbMTU1LjI0Ni44OS44MV0pIGJ5IGRlbGl2ZXJh
dG9yLmlvLmNvbSAoOC43LjUvOC43LjMpIHdpdGggRVNNVFAgaWQgSUFBMTU0NTYgZm9yIDxteXN0
YXJhLWxAaW8uY29tPjsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwODowMzoyMyAtMDUwMCAoQ0RUKQ0KUmVj
ZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gbG9jYWxob3N0IChzdGFyaGF3a0Bsb2NhbGhvc3QpIGJ5IG1lbmdlci5lZWNz
LnN0ZXZlbnMtdGVjaC5lZHUgKDguNy41LzguNy4zKSB3aXRoIFNNVFAgaWQgSkFBMDU2NDMgZm9y
IDxteXN0YXJhLWxAaW8uY29tPjsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwOTowMzoyMSAtMDQwMCAoRURU
KQ0KRGF0ZTogRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwOTowMzoyMCAtMDQwMCAoRURUKQ0KRnJvbTogU3Rh
ckhhd2sgPHN0YXJoYXdrQG1lbmdlci5lZWNzLnN0ZXZlbnMtdGVjaC5lZHU+DQpUbzogbXlzdGFy
YS1sQGlvLmNvbQ0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBBbGVlbmEgYW5kIEJhcmdsZQ0KSW4t
UmVwbHktVG86IDwxOTk2MDkyMDA5MDAuVEFBMDY5MzBAY2xvdGhlcy5wZWcuYXBjLm9yZz4NCk1l
c3NhZ2UtSUQ6IDxQaW5lLkdTTy4zLjk0Ljk2MDkyMDA4NTYxMS40MzkxQi0xMDAwMDBAbWVuZ2Vy
LmVlY3Muc3RldmVucy10ZWNoLmVkdT4NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItbXlzdGFyYS1sQGlvLmNvbQ0K
UHJlY2VkZW5jZTogYnVsaw0KUmVwbHktVG86IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NCg0KDQoNCk9uIEZy
aSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYsIFNoYW5lIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IE9uIDE4IFNlcCA5NiwgU3Rhckhhd2sg
d3JvdGU6DQo+IFtzbmlwXQ0KPiA+IERlcGVuZHMgb24gaG93IHlvdSBsb29rIGF0IGl0LiAgVGhl
IEV4cGVydCBzZXQgYWN0dWFsbHkgZGV2ZWxvcGVkIHRoZQ0KPiA+IHdvcmxkLCBidXQgVGhyZXNo
b2xkIGlzIHRoZSB0b3duIGluIHRoZSBCYXNpYyBzZXQuICBZb3UnbGwgbm90aWNlIHRoZQ0KPiA+
IE5QQydzIGluIHRoZSBmaXJzdCAodmVyeSwgdmVyeSBmaXJzdCkgYWR2ZW50dXJlIGluIHRoZSBi
YXNpYyBzZXQgYXJlDQo+ID4gQmFyZ2xlIGFuZCBBbGVlbmEsIGkuZS4gQmFyZ2xlIHRoZSBJbmZh
bW91cyBhbmQgQWxlZW5hIEhhbGFyYW4gYWxiZWl0DQo+ID4gYXQgbXVjaCBsb3dlciBsZXZlbHMu
IEFsc28gdGhlIEIgc2VyaWVzIG9mIG1vZHVsZXMgc2V0IHVwIGEgZ29vZA0KPiA+IHBvcnRpb24g
b2YgS2FyYW1laWtvcyAodGhvdWdoIEkndmUgaGVhcmQgc29tZSB3ZXJlIHR3ZWVrZWQgc2xpZ2h0
bHkgdG8NCj4gPiBtYWtlIHRoZW0gZml0IHdoZW4gYjEtOSB3YXMgcHVibGlzaGVkIGR1ZSB0byBz
b21lIGRpc2NyZXBhbmNpZXMpLg0KPiANCj4gVGhlIG1lbnRpb24gb2YgQWxlZW5hIEhhbGFyYW4g
Y2FpZ2h0IG15IGF0dGVudGlvbiAtIGluIHRoZSBCYXNpYyBzZXQgDQo+IHRoYXQgSSBoYXZlIChN
YXkgJzgzLCByZWQgY292ZXIsIGZpZ2h0ZXIsIHJlZCBkcmFnb24pIGluIHRoZSAiWW91ciANCj4g
Zmlyc3QgYWR2ZW50dXJlIiwgdHdvIGVuZGluZyBzY2VuYXJpb3Mgd2VyZSBnaXZlbjogaW4gb25l
IEJhcmdsZSANCj4gZXNjYXBlcywgQWxlZW5hIGRpZXMsIGluIHRoZSBvdGhlciwgQmFyZ2xlIGNh
biBlc2NhcGUgb3IgZGllLCBidXQgDQo+IEFsZWVuYSBzdGlsbCBwZXJpc2hlcy4gU28gaXMgQWxl
ZW5hIEhhbGFyYW4gZGVmaW5pdGVseSB0aGUgc2FtZSBjbGVyaWMgDQo+IChyYWlzZWQsIHByZXN1
bWFibHkpIG9yIGEgZGlmZmVyZW50IHBlcnNvbj8NCj4gLS0NCg0KSXRzIGFzc3VtZWQgdGhhdCBz
aGUgbGl2ZXMgbm8gbWF0dGVyIHdoYXQgdGhlIGVuZGluZyAoYSBudW1iZXIgb2YgcHJvZHVjdHMN
CmFzc3VtZSBlbmRpbmdzIGZyb20gb3RoZXJzLCBXb3RJIGZvciBleGFtcGxlKS4gIFRob3VnaCB0
aGUgS2FyYW1laWtvcyANCkdhemV0ZWVyIGRvZXMgc2F5IHRoYXQgaWYgeW91J3ZlIGFscmVhZHkg
ZXN0YWJsaXNoZWQgZnJvbSBldmVudHMgaW4gdGhlDQpEJkQgQmFzaWMgc2V0IHRoYXQgQWxlZW5h
IGlzIGRlYWQgdG8gcmVuYW1lIGhlciBBbmllbGxlIEhhbGFyYW4uDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg==
- --tcpsmtp3024355ab8500ab24724ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3024355ab8500ab24724ab--



- --MAA19239.843246737/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --MAA19310.843247219/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:17 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --MAA19310.843247219/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id MAA19309 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:17 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201059 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:13:30 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:10:08 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.10.8.2648551851.3024381@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3024381ab8500ab24900ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3024381ab8500ab24900ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201053 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:08:44 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28726 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:02:26 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28665 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:57:54 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29025 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:05:02 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id JAA18505; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:06:21 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:06:21 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201606.JAA18505@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@IO.COM>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3024381ab8500ab24900ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:21 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id JAA12224; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:33:10 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02313 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:59:02 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:59:02 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202259.RAA02313@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #221
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: ed58f50b48ef072cf83c09c430ff3c4b
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- --tcpsmtp3024381ab8500ab24900ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3024381ab8500ab24900ab--



- --MAA19310.843247219/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19571.843250414/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:33 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19571.843250414/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19570 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:33 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201261 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:06:44 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:55:12 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.55.12.2648551851.3024561@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Received: from mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201211 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:53:00 -0800
Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by mail.annex.=
com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with ESMTP id FAA17275 for <magnus@annex.com>; Fri, 2=
0 Sep 1996 05:29:37 -0700
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA261=
78 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:16:08 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by=
 lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA26068 for <mystara-l@lists=
.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:02:56 -0500
Received: from email.univie.ac.at (email.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.19]) by =
deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA03450 for <mystara-l@io.=
com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 03:57:05 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from unet.univie.ac.at by email.univie.ac.at with SMTP (PP);
          Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:56:23 +0200
Received: from unet26.univie.ac.at (unet26.univie.ac.at [131.130.230.126]=
)=20
          by unet.univie.ac.at (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA37876;
          Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:56:16 +0200
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:56:16 +0200
Message-Id: <199609200856.KAA37876@unet.univie.ac.at>
X-Sender: a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2
To: mystara-l@IO.COM
From: Peter Balazs <a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
Cc: mystara-l@IO.COM
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM

>By the way. Has anyone else noted an little error in the DoE books?
>In my copy, in alphatias booklet there is this Androsphinks on cover,
>and in Thyatias booklet there is something else (a head? cant remember)
>on the cover. But in the interior the shady figures on each page are
>Thyatis:Androsphinx and Alphatia:thesomething. A nice little mix-up,
>but an hard one to note, as the pictures in the paper are only shades.
>Take a look on your books... =20

I=B4ve also noticed these errors in my box of DoE. (By the way thesomethi=
ng is
an eagle (or a similar bird of prey) with two lightnings in his talons!).

I think, I can remeber, that I=B4ve read, that this error was corrected i=
n
later editions of DoE. Maybe it was in Dragon magazine. But as I=B4m not
really sure, maybe not.


*************************************************************************=
**
                                Peter Balazs
                          (a9003307@unet.univie.ac.at)
                     http://radon.mat.univie.ac.at/~pbalazs
*************************************************************************=
**





- --NAA19571.843250414/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:16:34 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19591.843250594/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:16:33 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19591.843250594/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19590 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:16:33 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201274 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:44 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:55:44 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.55.44.2648551851.3024580@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201243 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:54:46 -0800
Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with ESMTP id FAA17193 for <magnus@annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:07:02 -0700
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA25316 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 03:46:53 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA25198 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 03:30:52 -0500
Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04539 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:50:20 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from [204.31.242.147] (shelby7@pat-nj4-19.ix.netcom.com [204.31.242.147]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA27145 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:16:19 -0700
Message-Id: <199609192316.QAA27145@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
To: Post to Mystara-L <mystara-l@IO.COM>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 19:14:28 -0500
From: Shelby Michlin <shelby7@ix.netcom.com>
X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM

- -- [ From: Shelby Michlin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --


>  Two questions; does anybody have the Alphatian chapter? Would anybody
like a
> copy of the 473-line/20K file?


I don't have it, but I definitely want them both!
Shelby
shelby7@ix.netcom.com




- --NAA19591.843250594/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:27:38 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19650.843251258/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:27:37 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19650.843251258/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19649 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:27:37 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201308 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:20:48 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:58:48 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.58.48.2648551851.3024627@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Re: your mail
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201267 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:55:30 -0800
Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with ESMTP id EAA17013 for <magnus@annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:30:16 -0700
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA25260 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 03:33:22 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA25152 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 03:23:11 -0500
Received: from menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (root@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.89.81]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03781 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:43:39 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (starhawk@localhost) by menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15091 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:02:30 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:02:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: StarHawk <starhawk@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
To: mystara-l@IO.COM
Subject: [Mystara] Re: your mail
In-Reply-To: <199609171231.HAA04485@deliverator.io.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.960919205406.8164B-100000@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM


O(OFSH)O(GW)MEEEBB(BCW)(US)

Bruce Pierpont






- --NAA19650.843251258/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:18:35 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19600.843250715/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:18:34 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19600.843250715/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19599 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:18:34 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201286 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:11:44 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:56:54 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.12.56.54.2648551851.3024590@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Shadow Lord of Denagoth?
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201247 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:54:50 -0800
Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with ESMTP id FAA17181 for <magnus@annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:05:31 -0700
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA25734 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:31:21 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA25673 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:24:34 -0500
Received: from clothes.peg.apc.org (www.peg.apc.org [192.131.13.10]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03699 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:49 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from Default (v34.dialup.peg.apc.org [192.203.176.226]) by clothes.peg.apc.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06912 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:59:48 +1000 (EST)
Message-Id: <199609200859.SAA06912@clothes.peg.apc.org>
Comments: Authenticated sender is <sleepy@pop.peg.apc.org>
From: "Shane" <sleepy@pop.peg.apc.org>
To: mystara-l@IO.COM
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:00:57 +1000
Subject: [Mystara] Shadow Lord of Denagoth?
Priority: normal
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23)
Sender: owner-mystara-l@IO.COM
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@IO.COM

On 17 Sep 96, Matthew Levy wrote:
[major snippage]
> If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
> not be able to stop him.

Is there a 'canon' ruler of Denagoth in AC1000 onwards? The interesting
thing about module X11, Saga of the Shadow Lord, is that you can get two
dates on it by cross-referencing with the Poor Wizard's Almanacs (two
dates, because there's a discrepancy between the Geographic Overview,
which indicates Gylharen received the Elvenstar about AC810, and the
Who's Who, which indicates he received it about AC910).

The adventure thus takes place thirty years later (AC840 or AC940), and
since Gylharen still has his throne in AC1012, I'm presuming the
Elvenstar was recovered and the Shadow Lord of Denagoth didn't get his
mitts on the Blackstick (a Rod of Undead Rulership, which seemed to be
a higher-powered form of a Generic-item of Undead Control; at least,
X11 mentions Teriak needs it gain control over "legions of undead").
However, the Almanacs have this to say: "Important Figures: The Shadow
Lord, a necromancer who rose to power in the past. Some suspect he may
still rule parts of Denagoth." If Teriak (the Shadow Lord) is still
'alive' in AC1000+ then the Master may offer something worth Teriak
making trouble again. Alternatively, Teriak may indeed have succeeded
in obtaining the Blackstick, in which case he has been spending the
past 170 (or 70) years quietly amassing an enormous army of undead!

IMC, after the party retrieved the Elvenstar, on their way back to
Wendar they routed Teriak's army from its camp near the village (one
player commented something like "wasn't it thoughtful of Teriak to have
cloudkill in his spellbook" - the trio of mages in the party had a
ball with that spell), and did manage to keep Teriak from getting the
Blackstick. I'd be interested to know if later modules made any mention
of Teriak's canonical fate.

(that trio of players, having reached name level during the adventure,
 decided to ask - in lieu of the King's intended reward of baronies on
 Wendar's northern borders - Gylharen's help in claiming Denagoth itself.
 Ambitious little magelings, weren't they. ;)

"Rightho, you've got your gem back, now how about you make us princes
and we'll go take Denagoth for you." -- but they did at least phrase it
a great deal more politely, as I recall. They didn't get to be instant
royalty, but they did claim Denagoth (well, sort of... the humanoids
were disputing the issue when some of the players moved interstate)
- --
Shane, Australia (sleepy@peg.apc.org + http://www.peg.apc.org/~sleepy)
      disclaimer - I might have no idea what I'm talking about
  This message sent using 100% recycled electrons - mileage varies!




- --NAA19600.843250715/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #221
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:28 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id KAA13917; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:38:12 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02900 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:54:11 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:54:11 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202354.SAA02900@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #222
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 2e5768731e6790b82f67fe533021d4ff


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 222


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:46 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19714.843252166/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:42 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19714.843252166/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19713 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:42 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201378 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:35:50 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:10:28 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.13.10.28.2648551851.3024702@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201375 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:56 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29127 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:47:12 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29037 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:33:00 -0500
Received: from dsinc.myxa.com (dsinc.myxa.com [192.65.202.1]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05593 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:21:40 -0500 (CDT)
Received: by dsinc.myxa.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #39)
        id m0v4902-0000clC; Fri, 20 Sep 96 13:04 EDT
From: Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu (Andrew McKinstry)
To: mystara-l@io.com
Cc: Matthew_Kammann@westtown.edu, mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:30:33 GMT
Message-Id: <3253858270.358342750@westtown.edu>
Organization: Westtown School
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

Cthuludrew wrote:

> Because it is an actual historical monster, though I don't know where 
> they ever termed it an Androsphinx. I can't recall the name offhand, but 
> it was a figure from Greek mythology. Statues like this one were dug up 
> in (oh, hells, where was it- Minoa? No... my Buried Civ. prof's shaking 
> his head right now...). It's that winged bull thing with the man's head. 
> Shedu, maybe?
> 

I think it was the Asyrians,  I saw the statues you were talking about in the
British Museum last year, and they look like Androsphinxes (Do Androsphinxes
have wings?  Because the statues I saw had wings)

Andrew McKinstry
(Andrew_McKinstry@westtown.edu, Telrathin@aol.com)




- --NAA19714.843252166/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --NAA19701.843251924/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:40 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --NAA19701.843251924/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id NAA19700 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:40 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201355 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:31:50 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:06:02 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.13.6.2.2648551851.3024679@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3024679ab8500ab26817ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3024679ab8500ab26817ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201346 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:04:20 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28855 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:18:10 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28767 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:09:47 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03907 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:03:21 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id KAA18857; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:04:40 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:04:40 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201704.KAA18857@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3024679ab8500ab26817ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:28 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id KAA13917; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:38:12 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02900 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:54:11 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:54:11 -0500
Message-Id: <199609202354.SAA02900@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #222
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 2e5768731e6790b82f67fe533021d4ff
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=
- --tcpsmtp3024679ab8500ab26817ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3024679ab8500ab26817ab--



- --NAA19701.843251924/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --OAA19828.843254155/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:53 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --OAA19828.843254155/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id OAA19827 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:53 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201522 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:09:00 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:08:52 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.8.52.2648551851.3024856@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201519 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:07:28 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00210 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:30:35 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00192 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:28:49 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14149 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:44:38 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23692 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.94.960919200453.8164A-100000@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920114356.19651J-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, StarHawk wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> 
> > >You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
> > >difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?
> > 
> > Newer and older principalities maybe.
> > How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?
> 
> I looked at the shield again.  The partial hourglasses get cut off by the
> edge of the shield.  Perhaps its just a pattern.
> 
> > >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> > >
> > Androsphinx ?
> > But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> > non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> > 
> Because in D&D the only sphinxes that exist on Mystara are andro- and
> gyno-, respectively known as male and female sphinxes.  So in D&D terms
> its a male sphinx.  Its really more a matter of Latin vs. English than
> AD&D vs. D&D.
> 
> 

I agree, only it's Greek vs. English, not Latin.  Andro= Greek "Male",
Gyno= Greek "Female".





- --OAA19828.843254155/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:04:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:

In a message dated 96-09-18 19:18:46 EDT, Matt wrote:

>I don't think anyone had suggested that yet, but my vote is all for it.
>Ochalea is described in canon sources as having been colonized by
>Alphatians, but that doesn't make sense given the cultural disparity; it
>seems more likely that M-China was once more powerful than it is currently
>and sent colonists west; perhaps many of these could have already been
>living in Alphatia and Bellissaria when the Alphatians arrived, and been
>absorbed into their culture gradually.  Ochalea would be the only
>(relatively) untouched area left.  This probably would have had to have
>happened after the fall of Nithia

In a message dated 96-09-18 19:18:46 EDT, Andre Martins then wrote:

<<Or not. Maybe there was a small country ruled by the same people from
MChina near Esterhold Peninsula. It could have been a small kingdom, about
to be destroyed, that promissed access to all their magical knowledge as
well as loyalty to Alphatia if they would relocate them to a safer place
where they could live in peace. The way I see it, MChina can have existed
as an advanced civilization even for the last two thousand years, but it
never got interested in expanding its domains to other barabarian and
uninteresting lands.>>

Indeed. Alphatians could have deported *several* smaller realms to Ochalea.
The latter eventually formed a nation of its own, under Alphatian tutelage.
It could be that colonists from MChina also got there earlier, and that would
explain why Alphatia picked this island as some sort of ghetto for its other
Skothar "rabble". Ochalea, as a result, must have had a turbulent history
from the moment Alphatians turned the island into a dumping ground. Many of
these people probably didn't get along all that well initially, while rival
nobilities would have attempted to reach hegemony over the island's peoples.
Local snobbism may now be to prove one's direct descendence from the first
Skothar colonizers (not the western Skothar expatriates, of course), in
particular the ones who arrived aboard the illustrious *Spring-Lotus*, a junk
(Skothar ship) filled with pious colonists that shipwrecked on the shores of
Ochalea...    :)

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:08:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

In a message dated 96-09-19 01:29:41 EDT, Daniel Boese write:

>        Another group that dislikes Glantri are priests.  Simply put,
>the law states that religion is illegal, punishable by torture
>by exposure to black pudding, followed by imprisonment.  Priests
>are put to death by fire.  Spacefarers are not excepted. 
>Despite this, there are priests in the underground, stealthily
>trying to bring Glantri down.  Also, worship of Rad, an Immortal
>of Magic, is often ignored when discovered by officials,
>especially when money exchanges hands.

Actually, there are no *priests* of Rad. If you read GAZ3 carefully, the
Shepherds of Rad are all wizards. It is a "phony" worship that is totally
legal in Glantri.

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:56 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --OAA19859.843254276/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:53 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --OAA19859.843254276/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id OAA19858 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:53 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201530 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:11:00 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:10:06 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.10.6.2648551851.3024862@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201523 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:09:00 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA29977 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:20:18 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA29813 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:03:18 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13821 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:41:21 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23525 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau
In-Reply-To: <960919133621_481819827@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920113847.19651I-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 TSRBruce@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Patrick and Matt wrote:
> 
> >> The map in WotI shows saguaro cacti all
> >> over the badlands in this area, although the location should make this
> area
> >> way too cold for saguaros.  Is WotI wrong?  Are these just some sort of
> >> wierd things that just LOOK like saguaros?  Is this area strangely
> effected
> >> by some sort of magic that makes it warm (similar to the explanation for
> >> Ylaruams warmth)?  
> >
> >I think the saguaros should be left out, they were probably a mistake ...
> >though there could be some other strange desert plant up there ...
> 
> But of course, these must be the notorious northern saguaros! (says-he with a
> straight face). These are the result of a Glantrian agricultural experiment
> gone astray. These things are like kudzu growing out of control. They have
> the ability to leach warmth from the sunrays and from hapless creatures
> wandering nearby. After second thought,  Glantrians left their failed
> experiment to grow there as a deterrent against nomadic incursions and
> monstrous visits. (Hey, it's fantasy, right!)    :)
> 
> Bruce Heard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Leave it to the Master himself to save us from our error ... I love this!
Now the question is, what sort of bizarre creature would live off of this
crop?  Yes, I know there are no natural predators, but perhaps the
Glantrians could introduce one ... which becomes an even bigger problem
... i.e. Mongeese (Mongooses?) in Hawaii ...

m@2





- --OAA19859.843254276/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --OAA19908.843255059/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:30:58 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --OAA19908.843255059/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id OAA19907 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:30:58 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201566 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:24:04 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:23:52 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.23.52.2648551851.3024900@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201562 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:22:28 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00140 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:24:32 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA29844 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:04:25 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13042 for <mystara-l@IO.COM>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:34:04 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23009 for <mystara-l@IO.COM>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:33:53 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:33:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960919154852.006a3774@mail.lunet.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920113301.19651G-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

> At 18.22 17/09/96 -0400, Starhawk wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Fabrizio Paoli wrote:
> >
> >> At 00.03 14/09/96 -0400, Estlor wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >Glantri: Red shield with 13 partial or whole hour-glasses in yellow.
> >> 
> >> I think each hourglass refers to a principality, so in AC 1000 there should
> >> be 10 hourglasses, right ?
> >> Someone willing to make a coat of arm for each principality ?
> >
> >You're probably right, one hourglass per principality, any idea what the
> >difference is between partial and whole hourglasses?
> 
> Newer and older principalities maybe.
> How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?
> 
> >> 
> >> >Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.
> >> 
> >> Actually on an old Dragon Magazine the symbol of Sind is quite complex, but
> >> it has a sunburst in the middle. IMO this fits better with the Sindian
> >> landscape than a tower, the only reason I can find for this change could be
> >> the Hulean invasion during WotI, but this doesn't sound good either.
> >> Moreover the Hulean coat of arms is a yellow hand on a purple shield, while
> >> the tower is the symbol of Hojah IIRC.
> >> 
> >
> >Hmmmm.  Good question, any ideas on which one it should be?
> 
> I think the one with the sumburst.
> BTW: the tower is the symbol of Frisonnia, not Hojah.
>  
> >
> >> What about Alphatia ? Can someone give a name to that thing on the cover of
> >> book 1 (or 2) in the DoE boxed set ?
> >> 
> >
> >Androsphinx.  I would assume white on red shield, walking to the right.
> >
> Androsphinx ?
> But this is an AD&D monster IIRC, not a D&D one, so why should TSR use a
> non-D&D monster for a D&D supplement ?
> 
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli                        brizio@lunet.it            
> DM in City Of The Stars 
> aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
> aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
> Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
>                                       
> 
> 

"Androsphinx" is just the AD&D name for the male time of the identical
OD&D monster called just "Sphinx", which is the symbol of Alphatia.  Don't
be so literal.
m@2





- --OAA19908.843255059/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #222
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:33 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id LAA15618; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:39:27 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA03697 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:12:34 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:12:34 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210112.UAA03697@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #223
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: dec486e0ee83986c3885ad8c95c0378e


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 223


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:24:57 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --OAA19879.843254697/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:24:56 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --OAA19879.843254697/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id OAA19878 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:24:56 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201548 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:18:02 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:40 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.17.40.2648551851.3024882@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201546 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:16:24 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA29637 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:48:16 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29574 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:43:31 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12560 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:37 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA22734 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.94.960919020507.29372A-100000@fma3.if.usp.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920112816.19651F-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Andre Cavalcanti Rocha Martins {S wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Matthew Levy wrote:
> 
> > > How has the large island of Ochalea been incorporated into your *Morient*
> > > setting? Are Ochaleans an offshoot from sea-faring Skothar people?
> > > 
> > I don't think anyone had suggested that yet, but my vote is all for it.
> > Ochalea is described in canon sources as having been colonized by
> > Alphatians, but that doesn't make sense given the cultural disparity; it
> > seems more likely that M-China was once more powerful than it is currently
> > and sent colonists west; perhaps many of these could have already been
> > living in Alphatia and Bellissaria when the Alphatians arrived, and been
> > absorbed into their culture gradually.  Ochalea would be the only
> > (relatively) untouched area left.  This probably would have had to have
> > happened after the fall of Nithia.
> 
> Or not. Maybe there was a small country ruled by the same people from
> MChina near Esterhold Peninsula. It could have been a small kingdom, about
> to be destroyed, that promissed access to all their magical knowledge as
> well as loyalty to Alphatia if they would relocate them to a safer place
> where they could live in peace. The way I see it, MChina can have existed
> as an advanced civilization even for the last two thousand years, but it
> never got interested in expanding its domains to other barabarian and
> uninteresting lands.
> 
> Andre Martins
> 
> 
> 

sounds good.  Maybe the impending destruction of Old Ochalea was in some
way a result of the arrival of the Alphatians (let's face it, theymust
have made quite a stir).

m@2





- --OAA19879.843254697/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:34:00 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --OAA19919.843255240/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:33:58 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --OAA19919.843255240/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id OAA19918 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:33:58 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201573 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:27:04 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:27:02 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.27.2.2648551851.3024910@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara's Giants
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201571 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:25:36 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA29606 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:46:24 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29581 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:44:22 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12249 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:27:08 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA22590 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: Mystara Mailing List <mystara-l@io.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Mystara's Giants
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960917175541.8532A-100000@gamera.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920112146.19651E-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Sir George Anonymous wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was just curious.  Has anyone done or seen any work on Mystara's giants?
> We have a lot of information on human, demihuman, and humanoid histories
> and migrations, but what about giants and their kin?  I am currently
> working on a hill giant lair in the hills of Thyatis (Duchy of Kerendas,
> near the County of Vyalia) and I was trying to figure out how they got
> there (DoE says that they exist, along with ogres).  Also, I want to
> determine  how long they've been there, why the Thyatians haven't driven
> them out, etc.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> >>>  Sir George Anonymous  <<<

I would be very interested in seeing what you come up with.  I am still
working on my (quasi-)comprehensive list of sentient races on Mystara and
Giants are one of the problem categories ... Other than the PWA series,
all official sources seem to agree that only the types of Giants covered
in the B-X-C-M series/Rules Cyclopedia exist ... but PWA3 says there are
Verbeegs in the Black Mountaints and Firbolgs in Minaea, Cyclopskin in the
HW, and Mountain Giants in several areas ... Is it possible that Giants
are an offshoot of Beastmen as are goblinoids?  Or are they a seperate
genus entirely?  What is their relationship to Trolls, Ogres, etc.? Did
they perhaps come from another plane (i.e. an original Jotunheim?) do Fire
Giants live on another plane and come only to hot areas on Mystara?
Are Storm Giants who live undersea a seperate race of Sea Giants, or are
they the same species?  What is the history of the Hunakoi on the Isle of
Dawn (see M5)?  Any thoughts on these questions?
m@2





- --OAA19919.843255240/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:10:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"

In a message dated 96-09-19 01:29:41 EDT, Daniel Boese wrote: 

>Recently a group of psionicists have discussed
>using psionic means to cross into the world and explore.  It is
>unknown of they have proceeded.

According to Mystara's *canon* there are no psionics there. Of course, no one
prevents you from introducing psionics, that's your choice.

Bruce Heard


------------------------------

From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:19:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

In a message dated 96-09-19 13:56:28 EDT, you write:

>Newer and older principalities maybe.
>How many hourglasses are whole and how many partial ?

The whole hourglasses would correspond to the original principalities (from
GAZ3) that have survived thus far. the others only get a partial hourglass.

Re. Sind: Yellow shield with a black tower.
 
>> Actually on an old Dragon Magazine the symbol of Sind is quite complex,
but
>> it has a sunburst in the middle. IMO this fits better with the Sindian
>> landscape than a tower, the only reason I can find for this change could
be
>> the Hulean invasion during WotI, but this doesn't sound good either.
>> Moreover the Hulean coat of arms is a yellow hand on a purple shield,
while
>> the tower is the symbol of Hojah IIRC.

>Hmmmm.  Good question, any ideas on which one it should be?

I'm not sure why these were changed from what I had designed in the Princess
Ark series on DRAGON(R) Magazine. Perhaps designer pride? Just pick the ones
you like best. FYI, the graphics file with the original Coats of Arms (Savage
Coast) is available in the Download of the Month on AOL.

Bruce Heard




------------------------------

From: DonnLaP@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:41:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] ...and Bards...

In a message dated 96-09-18 19:04:40 EDT, Bob Kaelin quoted me and then
wrote:

<< >BTW--does anyone besides me believe that the 2nd Edition Rules have
severely
 >wimped out the Bard as a character class?
 >
 
 Probably, but a lot of people, myself included, thought they were a
 smidgeon too pumped in the first case.  I never was very big on bards, but
 I think they're pretty good now.  What don't you like about them?
 
 -Bob
 
 p.s. Bargle lives!
 
  >>

I didn't say I *didn't like* the newer version of the bard, only that the
class has been toned down...a *lot.*  I'm the type of DM who doesn't pay
attention to dotting every "i" and crossing every "t" whenever players make
up characters--it's the *how* a PC is role-played that counts, *not* what the
character class is *officially* allowed to do.

(Yeah, yeah, I *know* I'd completely wash out in Tournament play, but,
heck--I'm the DM, dammit!)

DonnLaP
DM/Player Extraordinaire

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

"Are you going to finish that?  Can *I* have it?  Thanx!"
          --Solo, human Fighter/Vacuum Cleaner, upon seeing that one of his
comrades had left a sizeable portion
            of the "Spider a la King" he'd cooked up after a successful
underground encounter



------------------------------

From: DonnLaP@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:41:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: --hey, what the heck WAS the original subject..?--

Greetings, fellow Mystara-list members!

My two cents' worth about when Mystara first came to light:

I was lucky enough to get the *original* D&D boxed game when it first came
out ('scuse me while I settle my arthritic bones in the rockin' chair before
I go on with this story)--it was a box that sported a dragon on it rendered
in blue ink, if my memory is correct...and I *know* this had to be the
original boxed game because it did NOT have dice in it--it had chits printed
on heavy stock paper that you had to cut apart with scissors yourself (one
set for each type of die--even the d%!)

(The chits were okay except whenever one of the people in our RPG group had a
cold or allergy! 8D)

Anyhow, I don't remember any mention of Threshold in this version, but the
one after that DID have the sample adventure "The Haunted Keep"-- which was
located east of the Black Eagle Barony, near a village named Luln.

(I might have this early version mixed up with a later one, but my advanced
age allows me to make one or two mistakes without penalty.)

DonnLaP
DM/Player Extraordinaire

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

 --"Awright, *aw-RIGHT*--here's my hand, I'll help you up--*PSYCHE!!!*
    HA, HA, HA!!!"-- Loreel, half-elf mage/thief of Chaotic Neutral
persuasion,
       upon promising to help a vanquished foe up out of a *very* deep chasm



------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20094.843258739/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:32:17 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20094.843258739/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20093 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:32:17 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201729 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:25:20 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:24:00 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.24.0.2648551851.3025074@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025074ab8500ab31488ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025074ab8500ab31488ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201728 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:23:32 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00568 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:02:39 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00434 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:50:18 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17570 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:01 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id MAA19253; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:19 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:19 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201916.MAA19253@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025074ab8500ab31488ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:33 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id LAA15618; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:39:27 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA03697 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:12:34 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:12:34 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210112.UAA03697@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #223
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: dec486e0ee83986c3885ad8c95c0378e
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==
- --tcpsmtp3025074ab8500ab31488ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025074ab8500ab31488ab--



- --PAA20094.843258739/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: "David 'Azure' Leland" <dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 12:28:29 PDT
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

At 05:48 PM 9/19/96 +0200, you wrote:

>One of those Survival Kits shows the AVP as Hulean territory, maybe the
>Master just claimed the plateau for himself and nobody opposed him.

        Survival Kits?  Could you elaborate please?

Thanks,

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
~| David "Azure" Leland   ~|~ Email:  dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu        |~
~| UCSD Cognitive Science ~|~ Phone/Fax:  (619) 642-6709             |~
~| Oberlin class of 1996  ~|~ Web:  http://cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland  |~
~| Amateur conguero; Q(O+H)Q(G+W)AEEEBGKUS Mystaran; P75 on Ethernet |~
\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


------------------------------

From: Patrick <Dennis.Sullivan.Family@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:42:00 +0000
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau

>Check back to the earlier posting (last spring) that someone made about
>Hyperborea ... the general consensus seemed to be that Hyborea was based
>on it, but the version given in Robert Howard's Conan stories, not the
>Earth mythology version ... not that there isn't probably overlap.  
Thanx!  I hadn't seen that yet.
>I don't think there needs to be any great "organization" present in northern
>Brun to keep the Master out ... his troops would be at a disadvantage
>against the natives in forest terrain (where cavalry, juggernauts, etc.
>are useless) and anyway unless there are some valuable resources there,
>why bother?  Remember that the Master, though he might *eventually* like
>to control the entire surface of Mystara, will (as any logical strategist)
>go for the highest gain for the lowest cost first; the KW (especially when
>weakened by internal strife, and by Alphatia) is a much richer target than
>virtually any other spot on the planet (though arguably the Savage
>Baronies and their Red Steel deposits make a lot of sense too).  Also, I
>don't think it is necessary for Hosadus to outright conquer everybody
>around ... he may settle for alliance, domination, favorable trade
>relations, etc. .... think of the Roman Empire and its allied
>dependencies, or Hitler's Germany and the minor Axis Powers like Hungary,
>Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia ...  
>IMC Hosadus has developed a tenuous alliance with Ierendi, which hugely
>increases his leverage against the KW (because he has a naval power
>guarding his coasts, etc.) much more than the outright conquest of
>northern Brun would ... what would it get him?
This makes sense.  I was simply basing the barbarians' organization off the
the history of Hule given in PWAII, where it says that the barbarians north
of Hule nearly overran the nation in 600 AC and Hule's been unable to
"civilize" or conquer them.  Perhaps there's just a whole lot of them up
there.  It does refer to them as "hordes."  Could these barabarians be
related to the Ethengar?  North-central Brun could be very similar to
Siberia, with hordes of uncivilized barbarians resisting the attempts to
conquer them.  The problem with conquest of Thyatis, and especially the
colonies, is that it's very far away from Hule.  As of AC 1013, virtually
every nation in the Known World and the Savage Coast are in particularly
weak states.  The fact that the Master didn't take advantage of Darokin's
weakness in 1010 and 1011 seems to indicate that Hule's still too weak to
take on Darokin, much less Thyatis.  Also, the Master has no desire to
become overly dependent on the City-States, so Slagovich, Hojah, and Zagora
might also be likely targets.  If the Master had the power to conquer the
world during the PWAs, he would.  The fact that he doesn't attack any
countries indicates that he plans to bide his time and slowly weaken his
neighbors.
Patrick

------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:02:09 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA19978.843256929/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:02:07 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA19978.843256929/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA19977 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:02:07 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201647 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:55:12 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:53:56 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.53.56.2648551851.3024990@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201646 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:53:48 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00242 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:31:18 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA29926 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:29 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13472 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:04 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA23296 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:37:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960919154855.006a9144@mail.lunet.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920113437.19651H-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

> 
> Two other ideas:
> 1) Remnants of Lupins nomads travelling from Glantri (Nouvelle Averoigne) to
> the Savage Coast

I like that!  Does Red Steel actually say that the Lupins there are from
N. Averoigne?  It makes a lot of sense anyway; I don't particularly fancy
the MMCA entry which says they are an offshoot race of werewolves, it
doesn't sound consistent.

> 2) Adri Varma Plateau is a safe place for outer-world spaceships to land on,
> i.e. Rakastas from Myoshima could land there undisturbed from time to time

How about Spelljammers?
Perhaps it could even have a hidden base of some spacefaring race who are
interested in Glantri but don't want to get too close.  The Githyanki, or
Illithids, or all sorts of people might have an underground hideout on the
plateau from whence they could send spies across the border ...

> 
> One of those Survival Kits shows the AVP as Hulean territory, maybe the
> Master just claimed the plateau for himself and nobody opposed him.

Or nobody else makes an "official" claim, so that's what all mapmakers
settle for.

> 
> IMC I often show the Plateau to my PC as a place where to build their
> dominons undisturbed from other rulers, they can even claim the title of
> Emperor... but the don't look eager to settle there... :-) 
> 
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli                        brizio@lunet.it            
> DM in City Of The Stars 
> aka David Gnome, herald of Gond's temple in Tilverton
> aka Doriath, 1/2 Elf Ranger in Cormyr
> Home Page:http://www.ing.unipi.it/~s153349/index.html 
>                                       
> 
> 





- --PAA19978.843256929/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:02:28 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20280.843260548/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:02:27 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20280.843260548/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20279 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:02:27 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201820 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:55:28 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:54:14 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.54.14.2648551851.3025191@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025191ab8500ab32455ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025191ab8500ab32455ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201816 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:53:00 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00997 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:49:19 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00905 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:40:21 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23790 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:15:14 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19591; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:16:34 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:16:34 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202016.NAA19591@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025191ab8500ab32455ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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==
- --tcpsmtp3025191ab8500ab32455ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025191ab8500ab32455ab--



- --QAA20280.843260548/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #223
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:40 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id MAA16771; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:23:31 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA04072 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:53:13 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:53:13 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210153.UAA04072@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #224
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 8b51eed84d14f79372c3d0bd0bd97099


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 224


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:49:25 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20198.843259765/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:49:23 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20198.843259765/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20197 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:49:23 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201775 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:42:24 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:40:58 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.40.58.2648551851.3025143@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025143ab8500ab32029ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025143ab8500ab32029ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201768 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:38:52 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00384 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:48:24 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00345 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:41:48 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18255 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:21:59 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id MAA19373; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:19 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:19 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201923.MAA19373@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025143ab8500ab32029ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBNQUExOTM3MiBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTI6MjM6MTcgLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDEwNzEgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEyOjE2OjMwIC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEyOjE2OjIyIC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC4xMi4xNi4yMi4yNjQ4NTUxODUxLjMwMjQzOTZAYmJzLmFubmV4LmNv
bT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBSZXR1cm5lZCBtYWlsOiBTZXJ2aWNlIHVuYXZhaWxhYmxl
DQpUbzogbWFnbnVzQG1haWwuYW5uZXguY29tDQpNSU1FLVZlcnNpb246IDEuMA0KQ29udGVudC1U
eXBlOiBtdWx0aXBhcnQvbWl4ZWQ7IGJvdW5kYXJ5PSJ0Y3BzbXRwMzAyNDM5NmFiODUwMGFiMjUw
OTlhYiINCg0KDQoqIE5vdGUgKiBUaGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgY29udGFpbnMgYW4gYXR0YWNoZW1lbnQg
dGhhdCBoYXMgYmVlbiBlbmNvZGVkIHVzaW5nDQoqIE5vdGUgKiB0aGUgTUlNRSBzdGFuZGFyZC4g
SWYgeW91IHNlZSB0aGlzIHBvcnRpb24gb2YgdGhlIG1lc3NhZ2UsIHRoZQ0KKiBOb3RlICogbWFp
bCBjbGllbnQgeW91IGFyZSB1c2luZyBkb2VzIG5vdCB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIE1JTUUuDQoNCi0tdGNw
c210cDMwMjQzOTZhYjg1MDBhYjI1MDk5YWINCkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogdGV4dC9wbGFpbg0KQ29u
dGVudC1UcmFuc2Zlci1FbmNvZGluZzogN2JpdA0KDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBsaXN0cy5pby5j
b20gWzE5OS4xNzAuODguMTVdIGJ5IGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gd2l0aCBzbXRwDQoJaWQgJFQyMDEw
NzAgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEyOjE2OjAwIC0wODAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogKGZyb20gcm9v
dEBsb2NhbGhvc3QpIGJ5IGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbSAoOC42LjEyLzguNi4xMikgaWQgTUFBMjg4MjEg
Zm9yIG15c3RhcmEtbC1vdXRnb2luZzsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAxMjoxNjo1OSAtMDUwMA0K
UmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gZGVsaXZlcmF0b3IuaW8uY29tIChkZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gWzE5
OS4xNzAuODguMTddKSBieSBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20gKDguNi4xMi84LjYuMTIpIHdpdGggRVNNVFAg
aWQgTUFBMjg3NzAgZm9yIDxteXN0YXJhLWxAbGlzdHMuaW8uY29tPjsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5
NiAxMjoxMDoyNCAtMDUwMA0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKHJvb3RAbWFp
bC5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny40MF0pIGJ5IGRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlvLmNvbSAoOC43LjUv
OC43LjMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBMQUEwMjk2NiBmb3IgPG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20+OyBGcmks
IDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDExOjUyOjE3IC0wNTAwIChDRFQpDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBsb2NhbGhv
c3QgKGxvY2FsaG9zdCkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4xMy84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggaW50
ZXJuYWwgaWQgSkFBMTg3ODc7IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDk6NTM6MzYgLTA3MDANCkRhdGU6
IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDk6NTM6MzYgLTA3MDANCkZyb206IE1haWwgRGVsaXZlcnkgU3Vi
c3lzdGVtIDxBbm5leC5tYWlsLmRhZW1vbkBtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNeXN0
YXJhXSBSZXR1cm5lZCBtYWlsOiBTZXJ2aWNlIHVuYXZhaWxhYmxlDQpNZXNzYWdlLUlkOiA8MTk5
NjA5MjAxNjUzLkpBQTE4Nzg3QG1haWwuYW5uZXguY29tPg0KVG86IDxteXN0YXJhLWxAaW8uY29t
Pg0KU2VuZGVyOiBvd25lci1teXN0YXJhLWxAaW8uY29tDQpQcmVjZWRlbmNlOiBidWxrDQpSZXBs
eS1UbzogbXlzdGFyYS1sQGlvLmNvbQ0KDQogICAtLS0tLSBUaGUgZm9sbG93aW5nIGFkZHJlc3Nl
cyBoYWQgZGVsaXZlcnkgcHJvYmxlbXMgLS0tLS0NCm1hZ251c0BiYnMuYW5uZXguY29tICAodW5y
ZWNvdmVyYWJsZSBlcnJvcikNCiAgICAoZXhwYW5kZWQgZnJvbTogPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4
LmNvbT4pDQoNCiAgIC0tLS0tIFRyYW5zY3JpcHQgb2Ygc2Vzc2lvbiBmb2xsb3dzIC0tLS0tDQou
Li4gd2hpbGUgdGFsa2luZyB0byBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29tLjoNCj4+PiBEQVRBDQo8PDwgNTU0IFRy
YW5zYWN0aW9uIGZhaWxlZC4NCjU1NCBtYWdudXNAYmJzLmFubmV4LmNvbS4uLiBTZXJ2aWNlIHVu
YXZhaWxhYmxlDQoNCiAgIC0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgZm9sbG93cyAtLS0tLQ0KDQoN
Cg0KLS10Y3BzbXRwMzAyNDM5NmFiODUwMGFiMjUwOTlhYg0KQ29udGVudC1UeXBlOiBhcHBsaWNh
dGlvbi9vY3RldC1zdHJlYW07IG5hbWU9IkZJTEUuRVhUIg0KQ29udGVudC1UcmFuc2Zlci1FbmNv
ZGluZzogYmFzZTY0DQpDb250ZW50LURpc3Bvc2l0aW9uOiBhdHRhY2htZW50OyBmaWxlbmFtZT0i
RklMRS5FWFQiDQoNClVtVjBkWEp1TFZCaGRHZzZJRzE1YzNSaGNtRXRiRUJwYnk1amIyME5DbEps
WTJWcGRtVmtPaUJtY205dElHSmljeTVoYm01bGVDNWoNCmIyMGdLR0ppY3k1aGJtNWxlQzVqYjIw
Z1d6SXdOQzQzTkM0Mk55NHhYU2tnWW5rZ2JXRnBiQzVoYm01bGVDNWpiMjBnS0RndU5pNHgNCk15
ODRMall1TVRNcElIZHBkR2dnVTAxVVVDQnBaQ0JLUVVFeE9EYzROaUJtYjNJZ1BHMWhaMjUxYzBC
dFlXbHNMbUZ1Ym1WNExtTnYNCmJUNDdJRVp5YVN3Z01qQWdVMlZ3SURFNU9UWWdNRGs2TlRNNk16
UWdMVEEzTURBTkNrWnliMjA2SUcxNWMzUmhjbUV0YkVCcGJ5NWoNCmIyME5DbGd0UVVaWFJEb2dO
RE0wT1Rrek1qa05DbEpsWTJWcGRtVmtPaUJtY205dElFMUlVeUJpZVNCaVluTXVZVzV1WlhndVky
OXQNCklIZHBkR2dnVFVoVERRb2dJQ0FnYVdRZ0pGUXlNREEyTWpFZ095QkdjbWtzSURJd0lGTmxj
Q0F4T1RrMklEQTVPalEyT2pVeUlDMHcNCk9EQXdEUXBFWVhSbE9pQkdjbWtzSURJd0lGTmxjQ0F4
T1RrMklEQTVPalExT2pJMElDMHdPREF3SUEwS1RXVnpjMkZuWlMxSlJEb2cNClBGUkRVRk5OVkZB
dU1UWXVPUzR5TUM0NUxqUTFMakkwTGpJMk5EZzFOVEU0TlRFdU16QXlNemt3TWtCaVluTXVZVzV1
WlhndVkyOXQNClBnMEtVM1ZpYW1WamREb2dXMDE1YzNSaGNtRmRJRVZ0WlhKdmJtUU5DbFJ2T2lC
dFlXZHVkWE5BYldGcGJDNWhibTVsZUM1amIyME4NCkNnMEtVbVZqWldsMlpXUTZJR1p5YjIwZ2JH
bHpkSE11YVc4dVkyOXRJRnN4T1RrdU1UY3dMamc0TGpFMVhTQmllU0JpWW5NdVlXNXUNClpYZ3VZ
Mjl0SUhkcGRHZ2djMjEwY0EwS0NXbGtJQ1JVTWpBd05qRTVJRHNnUm5KcExDQXlNQ0JUWlhBZ01U
azVOaUF3T1RvME5Eb3gNCk1DQXRNRGd3TUEwS1VtVmpaV2wyWldRNklDaG1jbTl0SUhKdmIzUkFi
RzlqWVd4b2IzTjBLU0JpZVNCc2FYTjBjeTVwYnk1amIyMGcNCktEZ3VOaTR4TWk4NExqWXVNVElw
SUdsa0lFcEJRVEkzTmpFNElHWnZjaUJ0ZVhOMFlYSmhMV3d0YjNWMFoyOXBibWM3SUVaeWFTd2cN
Ck1qQWdVMlZ3SURFNU9UWWdNRGs2TXpBNk1qRWdMVEExTURBTkNsSmxZMlZwZG1Wa09pQm1jbTl0
SUdSbGJHbDJaWEpoZEc5eUxtbHYNCkxtTnZiU0FvWkdWc2FYWmxjbUYwYjNJdWFXOHVZMjl0SUZz
eE9Ua3VNVGN3TGpnNExqRTNYU2tnWW5rZ2JHbHpkSE11YVc4dVkyOXQNCklDZzRMall1TVRJdk9D
NDJMakV5S1NCM2FYUm9JRVZUVFZSUUlHbGtJRXBCUVRJM05Ua3lJR1p2Y2lBOGJYbHpkR0Z5WVMx
c1FHeHANCmMzUnpMbWx2TG1OdmJUNDdJRVp5YVN3Z01qQWdVMlZ3SURFNU9UWWdNRGs2TWpZNk5E
SWdMVEExTURBTkNsSmxZMlZwZG1Wa09pQm0NCmNtOXRJR0ZqWTNWeWMybHZMbU52YlhWdVpTNWli
Mnh2WjI1aExtbDBJQ2hoWTJOMWNuTnBieTVqYjIxMWJtVXVZbTlzYjJkdVlTNXANCmRDQmJNVGt6
TGpJd055NHhMakZkS1NCaWVTQmtaV3hwZG1WeVlYUnZjaTVwYnk1amIyMGdLRGd1Tnk0MUx6Z3VO
eTR6S1NCM2FYUm8NCklFVlRUVlJRSUdsa0lFcEJRVEU1TVRBMklHWnZjaUE4YlhsemRHRnlZUzFz
UUdsdkxtTnZiVDQ3SUVaeWFTd2dNakFnVTJWd0lERTUNCk9UWWdNRGs2TURNNk1UTWdMVEExTURB
Z0tFTkVWQ2tOQ2xKbFkyVnBkbVZrT2lCbWNtOXRJR0V3TVdkM01pNXBjR1Z5WW05c1pTNWkNCmIy
eHZaMjVoTG1sMElDaGhNREZuZHpJdWFYQmxjbUp2YkdVdVltOXNiMmR1WVM1cGRDQmJNVGt6TGpJ
d055NHlMakZkS1NCaWVTQmgNClkyTjFjbk5wYnk1amIyMTFibVV1WW05c2IyZHVZUzVwZENBb09D
NDNMakV2U1ZCRlVrSlBURVV0TVM0d0tTQjNhWFJvSUZOTlZGQWcNCmFXUWdVVUZCTWpFM05EUWda
bTl5SUR4dGVYTjBZWEpoTFd4QWFXOHVZMjl0UGpzZ1JuSnBMQ0F5TUNCVFpYQWdNVGs1TmlBeE5q
b3cNCk9UbzBOeUFyTURJd01DQW9UVVZVUkZOVUtRMEtVbVZqWldsMlpXUTZJR0o1SUdFd01XZDNN
aTVwY0dWeVltOXNaUzVpYjJ4dloyNWgNCkxtbDBJSGRwZEdnZ1RXbGpjbTl6YjJaMElFMWhhV3dO
Q2dscFpDQThNREZDUWtFM01FUXVNa1V3TURNMlF6QkFZVEF4WjNjeUxtbHcNClpYSmliMnhsTG1K
dmJHOW5ibUV1YVhRK095QkdjbWtzSURJd0lGTmxjQ0F4T1RrMklERTJPakF5T2pVeklDc3RNakF3
RFFwTlpYTnoNCllXZGxMVWxFT2lBOE1ERkNRa0UzTUVRdU1rVXdNRE0yUXpCQVlUQXhaM2N5TG1s
d1pYSmliMnhsTG1KdmJHOW5ibUV1YVhRK0RRcEcNCmNtOXRPaUJIWVdKeWFXVnNaU0JHWlhKeWFT
QThabWxtTXpNek5rQnBjR1Z5WW05c1pTNWliMnh2WjI1aExtbDBQZzBLVkc4NklDSW4NClRYbHpk
R0Z5WVNCa2FYTmpkWE56YVc5dUlHeHBjM1FuSWlBOGJYbHpkR0Z5WVMxc1FHbHZMbU52YlQ0TkNs
TjFZbXBsWTNRNklGdE4NCmVYTjBZWEpoWFNCRmJXVnliMjVrRFFwRVlYUmxPaUJHY21rc0lESXdJ
Rk5sY0NBeE9UazJJREUxT2pVMU9qTTRJQ3N0TWpBd0RRcFQNClpXNWtaWEk2SUc5M2JtVnlMVzE1
YzNSaGNtRXRiRUJwYnk1amIyME5DbEJ5WldObFpHVnVZMlU2SUdKMWJHc05DbEpsY0d4NUxWUnYN
Ck9pQnRlWE4wWVhKaExXeEFhVzh1WTI5dERRb05DajQrU1NkMlpTQnlaV0ZrSUhOdmJXVjNhR1Z5
WlNCMGFHRjBJR0VnY21GalpTQnYNClppQm5jbVZsYmkxemEybHVibVZrTENBTkNqNCtkMmhwZEdV
Z2FHRnBjbVZrSUdoMWJXRnVjeUJzYVhabElHbHVJRTV2Y25Sb1pYSnUNCklFUmhkbUZ1YVdFdUlG
Um9aWGtuY21VZ2MzVndiM05sWkNCMGJ5QmlaU0FOQ2o0K1puSnZiU0JoYm05MGFHVnlJSGR2Y214
a0xDQmgNCmJtUWdjbVZqWlc1MGJIa2dhR0YyWlNCamIyMWxJSFJ2SUUxNWMzUmhjbUV1RFFvK0RR
bytSVzFsY205dVpDQjNZWE1nWm1seWMzUWcNCmJXVnVkR2x2Ym1Wa0lHbHVJRkJ5YVc1alpYTnpJ
RUZ5YXlCbGNHbHpiMlJsSUNNZ01UTWdhVzRnUkZKQlIwOU9LRklwRFFvK1RXRm4NCllYcHBibVVn
U1hOemRXVWdJekUyTmk0Z1FXeHpieUJqYUdWamF5QlFWMEVnU1VsSkxDQndZV2RsSURJd0lDWWdN
VEEwTGcwS0RRcEINCklHWnBjbk4wSUhGMVpYTjBhVzl1T2lCa2IyVnpJRkJYUVNCSlNVa2djbVZo
Ykd4NUlHVjRhWE4wUHlCSkozWmxJR0ZzZDJGNWN5QjANCmFHOTFaMmgwSUhSb1lYUWdVRmRCSUVs
SklIZGhjeUIwYUdVZ2JHRnpkQ0J2Ym1VdUxpNE5DZzBLU1c0Z2JYa2dZMkZ0Y0dGcFoyNHMNCklF
VnRaWEp2Ym1RZ2FYTWdkSEpsWVhSbGJtbHVaeUJMWVhKaGJXVnBhMjl6SUNoM2FHVnlaU0IwYUdV
Z1VFTnpJR0Z5WlNCemIyeGsNCmFXVnljeWtnZDJsMGFDQmhiaUJoY20xNUlHOW1JR2RwWVc1MElH
bHVjMlZqZEhNdUlFdGhjbUZ0WldscllXNGdRWEp0ZVNBb1lXNWsNCklIUm9aU0JRUTNNcElISmxj
R1ZzYkdWa0lIUm9aU0JtYVhKemRDQmhkSFJoWTJzc0lHRnVaQ0IzWVc1MGN5QjBieUJqYjNWdWRH
VnkNCkxXRjBkR0ZqYXpzZ2MyOGdTU2R0SUd4dmIydHBibWNnWm05eUlHMXZjbVVnYVc1bWIzTWdZ
V0p2ZFhRZ2RHaGxJRXRwYm1ka2IyMGcNCmIyWWdSVzFsY205dVpDNGdTU2QyWlNCamFHVmphMlZr
SUZCWFFTQkpTU3dnWTJGdUlHRnVlVzl1WlNCaElHSnlhV1ZtSUhOMWJXMWgNCmNua2diMllnZEdo
bElGQnlhVzVqWlhOeklFRnlheUJsY0dsemIyUmxJQ01nTVRNZ2FXNGdSRkpCUjA5T0tGSXBJRTFo
WjJGNmFXNWwNCklFbHpjM1ZsSUNNeE5qWS9EUW9OQ2xSb1lXNXJjeUJoSUd4dmRDRU5DZzBLUjJG
aWNtbGxiR1VnUm1WeWNta2dMU0JtYVdZek16TTINClFHbHdaWEppYjJ4bExtSnZiRzluYm1FdWFY
UU5DZzBLRFFvTkNnMEsNCi0tdGNwc210cDMwMjQzOTZhYjg1MDBhYjI1MDk5YWINCkNvbnRlbnQt
VHlwZTogdGV4dC9wbGFpbg0KQ29udGVudC1UcmFuc2Zlci1FbmNvZGluZzogN2JpdA0KDQoNCi0t
dGNwc210cDMwMjQzOTZhYjg1MDBhYjI1MDk5YWItLQ0KDQoNCg0K
- --tcpsmtp3025143ab8500ab32029ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025143ab8500ab32029ab--



- --PAA20198.843259765/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:01:30 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20274.843260490/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:01:27 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20274.843260490/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20273 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:01:27 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201819 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:54:28 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:54:12 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.54.12.2648551851.3025190@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025190ab8500ab32454ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025190ab8500ab32454ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201815 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:52:28 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00392 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:48:40 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00341 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:41:04 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17954 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:19:02 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id MAA19310; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:19 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:19 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201920.MAA19310@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025190ab8500ab32454ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:40 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id MAA16771; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:23:31 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA04072 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:53:13 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:53:13 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210153.UAA04072@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #224
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 8b51eed84d14f79372c3d0bd0bd97099
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==
- --tcpsmtp3025190ab8500ab32454ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025190ab8500ab32454ab--



- --QAA20274.843260490/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:54:06 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --OAA19955.843256446/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:54:05 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --OAA19955.843256446/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id OAA19954 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:54:05 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201623 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:47:10 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:46:16 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.14.46.16.2648551851.3024955@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Shadow Lord of Denagoth?
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201616 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:44:24 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA29725 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:01:03 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29697 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:57:04 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15165 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:53:52 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA24235 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Shadow Lord of Denagoth?
In-Reply-To: <199609200859.SAA06912@clothes.peg.apc.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920114951.19651K-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Shane wrote:

> On 17 Sep 96, Matthew Levy wrote:
> [major snippage]
> > If he allies with Denagoth, even the sum total of the KW's strength may
> > not be able to stop him.
> 
> Is there a 'canon' ruler of Denagoth in AC1000 onwards? The interesting
> thing about module X11, Saga of the Shadow Lord, is that you can get two
> dates on it by cross-referencing with the Poor Wizard's Almanacs (two
> dates, because there's a discrepancy between the Geographic Overview,
> which indicates Gylharen received the Elvenstar about AC810, and the
> Who's Who, which indicates he received it about AC910).
> 
> The adventure thus takes place thirty years later (AC840 or AC940), and
> since Gylharen still has his throne in AC1012, I'm presuming the
> Elvenstar was recovered and the Shadow Lord of Denagoth didn't get his
> mitts on the Blackstick (a Rod of Undead Rulership, which seemed to be
> a higher-powered form of a Generic-item of Undead Control; at least,
> X11 mentions Teriak needs it gain control over "legions of undead").
> However, the Almanacs have this to say: "Important Figures: The Shadow
> Lord, a necromancer who rose to power in the past. Some suspect he may
> still rule parts of Denagoth." If Teriak (the Shadow Lord) is still
> 'alive' in AC1000+ then the Master may offer something worth Teriak
> making trouble again. Alternatively, Teriak may indeed have succeeded
> in obtaining the Blackstick, in which case he has been spending the
> past 170 (or 70) years quietly amassing an enormous army of undead!

(snip again)

I suppose it all is a question of canon-ness again.  IMC X11 is current,
although I'm not sure what "current" is since so many other things in my
campaign are non-canon and I don't even use the same calendar.  I try to
toe a nebulous line between staying consistent with the TSR output and
just doing whatever the hell I feel like ... sometimes I forget little
discrepancies (such as that in most Mystaras, X11 is already old hat).
But certainly all those humanoids and Dark Lancers could not *all* have
been pacified by 1013 AC?  I need to check PWA on this, see what the
official state of Denagoth is supposed to be.

m@2





- --OAA19955.843256446/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20026.843257774/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:16:12 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20026.843257774/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20025 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:16:12 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201686 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:09:16 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:07:56 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.7.56.2648551851.3025027@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201682 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:06:50 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA29616 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:46:45 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29560 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:26 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10782 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:22 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA21813 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Adri Varma Plateau
In-Reply-To: <19960919013740.AAB11430@DENNIS>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920110400.19651D-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Patrick wrote:
> >that can only live on the plateau ... a whole culture could be based
> >around making use of that animal ...
> 
> I like all these ideas.  One thing, though: if Great Hule has had such
> trouble conquering these nomadic tribes to the North, there must be
> something more holding them together.  I definitely like the idea of Eastern
> Woodland Indian/ Eskimo populations in Central Brun, though.  You talked
> about the Hyperboreans -- the Rules Cyclopedeia map shows an area called the
> Hyborean Reaches, but there's also a mythological place (I believe it's
> supposed to be near Scotland) on Earth called Hyperborea that seems
> suspiciously similar in name to Hyborea, and would make an interesting
> addition to Mystara.  I'll try to find something about it, unless anyone
> posts some information specifically on the Hyboreans first.
> Patrick
> 
> 

Check back to the earlier posting (last spring) that someone made about
Hyperborea ... the general consensus seemed to be that Hyborea was based
on it, but the version given in Robert Howard's Conan stories, not the
Earth mythology version ... not that there isn't probably overlap.  I
don't think there needs to be any great "organization" present in northern
Brun to keep the Master out ... his troops would be at a disadvantage
against the natives in forest terrain (where cavalry, juggernauts, etc.
are useless) and anyway unless there are some valuable resources there,
why bother?  Remember that the Master, though he might *eventually* like
to control the entire surface of Mystara, will (as any logical strategist)
go for the highest gain for the lowest cost first; the KW (especially when
weakened by internal strife, and by Alphatia) is a much richer target than
virtually any other spot on the planet (though arguably the Savage
Baronies and their Red Steel deposits make a lot of sense too).  Also, I
don't think it is necessary for Hosadus to outright conquer everybody
around ... he may settle for alliance, domination, favorable trade
relations, etc. .... think of the Roman Empire and its allied
dependencies, or Hitler's Germany and the minor Axis Powers like Hungary,
Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia ...  
IMC Hosadus has developed a tenuous alliance with Ierendi, which hugely
increases his leverage against the KW (because he has a naval power
guarding his coasts, etc.) much more than the outright conquest of
northern Brun would ... what would it get him?






- --PAA20026.843257774/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20081.843258497/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:28:16 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20081.843258497/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20080 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:28:16 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201719 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:21:18 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:20:52 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.20.52.2648551851.3025067@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201714 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:19:16 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00439 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:50:24 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00359 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:44:52 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15816 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:59:21 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA24479 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor
In-Reply-To: <199609201649.MAA00989@wabakimi.carleton.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920115703.19651L-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> > On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:
> 
> > >   If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
> > > from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
> > > On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
> > > almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
> > > wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
> > > while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
> > > within the darklands now.
> > > 
> > >                           Geoff>
> > 
> > Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
> > tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
> > cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
> > Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
> > that desolate wasteland.
> 
>       Who says? I think many scholars from Glantri and Alphatia (and nations
> yet to be created by our imaginations) would have gone on "archaeological
> expeditions" - mere fronts for their real purpose (power).  In my
> campaign, groups of Alphatian and Glantrian mages are competing for
> control over Blackmoor relics, all the while keeping secret the fact that
> they have found out where it was (ie: northern Skothar).  I also have a
> rogue Blackmoorian mage running around under many aliases - harassing the
> PCs (who are trying to uncover the Blackmoor mystery itself, because in my
> world it's a legend) and being a perfect DM tool.  Don't ask why he's
> still around, I just chalk it up to ancient Blackmoorian technologies,
> which the PCs will never get.  Besides, he's a perfect villain.
>       I would place Mohacs in the Plains of Rust, in the middle of the
> Thonian marches (I made this up - basically a vast desert composed of rust
> from all those Blackmoorian machines, good for an apocalyptic scenario,
> where half-barbarians fight over remnants of past glory (some of this I
> borrowed from this group).


Neat! Kind of a Mystaran Mad Max setting.  What about humanoids with
semi-functional blaster cannons, halftracks, hovercrafts, whatever ...
perhaps each item that still works could be a kind of magic item ... also
wouldn't such an area attract thousands of rust monsters, perhaps Xorn,
etc ...?
What else do you have worked out on Thonia?  Are you willing to share with
the rest of us hungry M-vultures?

m@2





- --PAA20081.843258497/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #224
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:46 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA17719; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:02:43 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04426 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:31:30 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:31:30 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210231.VAA04426@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #225
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: d8ecc07de29407b1b0d37a44a1ec836f


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 225


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Cthulhudrew, The Great Old One" <jsmill@imap1.asu.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:50:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mystara] Androsphinx (Was: [Mystara] Coat of Arms

On 20 Sep 1996, Andrew McKinstry wrote:

> I think it was the Asyrians,  I saw the statues you were talking about in the
> British Museum last year, and they look like Androsphinxes (Do Androsphinxes
> have wings?  Because the statues I saw had wings)

I think you and Kevin Augenstein are both right- those statues came from 
a site in Assyria that was discovered by whatsisface- famous early 
archaeogist. Discovered ruins of Mycenae and some in Assyria, where he 
dug up these bull guys. Can't think of his name....

Anyway, known mythologically as a Lamasu, these statues guarded the throne 
room of King Sargon the II of Assyria. These are the same things referred 
to as Shedu in the AD&D compendiums.

These TSR guys actually get stuff from real life, sometimes. Odd, that. ;)



------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:56:46 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20637.843263806/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:56:46 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20637.843263806/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20636 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:56:46 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201996 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:49:42 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:49:26 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.49.26.2648551851.3025399@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201993 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:48:54 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01836 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:16:03 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA01803 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:10:34 -0500
Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00632 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:08:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22664 for mystara-l@io.com; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:08:23 -0400
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:08:23 -0400
Message-ID: <960919140822_481833668@emout16.mail.aol.com>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] "Countries of the Known World in the Spelljammer Universe"
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

In a message dated 96-09-19 01:29:41 EDT, Daniel Boese write:

>        Another group that dislikes Glantri are priests.  Simply put,
>the law states that religion is illegal, punishable by torture
>by exposure to black pudding, followed by imprisonment.  Priests
>are put to death by fire.  Spacefarers are not excepted. 
>Despite this, there are priests in the underground, stealthily
>trying to bring Glantri down.  Also, worship of Rad, an Immortal
>of Magic, is often ignored when discovered by officials,
>especially when money exchanges hands.

Actually, there are no *priests* of Rad. If you read GAZ3 carefully, the
Shepherds of Rad are all wizards. It is a "phony" worship that is totally
legal in Glantri.

Bruce Heard





- --QAA20637.843263806/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:42:22 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20166.843259342/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:42:21 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20166.843259342/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20165 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:42:21 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201756 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:35:22 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:34:40 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.34.40.2648551851.3025114@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201753 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:33:44 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00686 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:17:15 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00520 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:00:52 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18138 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:20:49 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA25449 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Coat of Arms
In-Reply-To: <AE68D3D4-12F5C@202.49.254.94>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920120118.19651M-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

> >
> Isn't the Androsphinx based on a pre-Babalonian culture. I think is
> Assyrian, but I'm not to sure, I based a country around it in my own
> campagin.
> ___________________
> Kevin Finn Augenstein
> kevinaug@ihug.co.nz
> ___________________
> 
> 
> 

Whereabouts?  The land of Nimmur on the Orc's Head Peninsula is quite
Babylonian-like ... maybe the Enduks, Ee'ar and Manscorpions know
something about the history of Sphinxes, Shedu or whatever.  
Also, IIRC the source material for Serraine (PC?) says Sphinxes were
created by the Immortal Grammaton.  Now, I don't know if there are other
sources for this Immortal in Mystara, and I hope I'm not going to offend
anyone, but Grammaton makes me think of the Tetragrammaton, which is what
the Name of God is called in Jewish mysticism (Tetra meaning four, for the
four letters YHVH).  Grammaton is described as an immortal who loves
puzzles and word games (which is why sphinxes are how they are), which
also fits the Jewish tradition of Qabbala.  Could it be that there are
Jews on Mystara?  We already have quasi-Catholics and quasi-Muslims so I
see no reason why anybody should be upset by the existence of a people who
worship M-Yahweh.  In real history the Hebrews did emerge from Babylonia
originally and were associated with it in later periods (by getting
captured and enslaved!) so perhaps M-Israel is near Nimmur.  Then again
they were also associated with Egypt, so maybe Nithia is a better choice.

My Mystara campaign has long (15 years) revolved around a culture of my
own devising who live in the north-central plains of the Isle of Dawn,
near Trikelios and Ekto.  While these people (known as the Mehirgudi) are
not precisely based on Jews, I did borrow elements of Jewish culture and
history ... as well as bits of other cultures, such as the early
Anglo-Saxons and the medieval Slavs (which is not surprising I suppose
because I am of, among other things, Jewish, Slavic, and WASP ancestry
...) and rolled it all into one semi-nomadic culture who live on the
borders of Thothia.  In the past they have come into contact with the
Thothians and the Alphatians and have even allied with Thyatis in their
struggle for freedom ... much of the campaign has revolved around their
royal family, the House of Trefban (based loosely on the Kings after
David, and on Arthurian legend), who have a long and convoluted history.
Over the last 15 years I have played 5 Trefban characters (each an
offspring or sibling of the one before) in succession, and currently I
have one of my players playing the heir to the throne, Jarakesh, who has
just returned to their homeland after being trapped on another plane ...
it may be hard to fit big "nations" in the holes of the mystara map, but
it's relatively easy to find a spot for a small, tightly knit group to
have a rich history and culture all its own.  I've even got a glossary of
500+ words in the Mehirgudi language (after 15 years of playing and DM'ing
you give in completely to the impulse to Geek Out and overdetail
everything).

m@2
 






- --PAA20166.843259342/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20479.843262299/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:31:37 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20479.843262299/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20478 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:31:37 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201905 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:24:34 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:22:56 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.22.56.2648551851.3025297@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025297ab8500ab33500ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025297ab8500ab33500ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201901 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:21:10 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01094 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:02:13 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00954 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:46:41 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24934 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:26:19 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19650; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:27:38 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:27:38 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202027.NAA19650@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025297ab8500ab33500ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBOQUExOTY0OSBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTM6Mjc6MzcgLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDEzMDggOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEzOjIwOjQ4IC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEyOjU4OjQ4IC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC4xMi41OC40OC4yNjQ4NTUxODUxLjMwMjQ2MjdAYmJzLmFubmV4LmNv
bT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBSZTogeW91ciBtYWlsDQpUbzogbWFnbnVzQG1haWwuYW5u
ZXguY29tDQoNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIG1haWwuYW5uZXguY29tIFsyMDQuNzQuNjcuNDBdIGJ5
IGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gd2l0aCBzbXRwDQoJaWQgJFQyMDEyNjcgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2
IDEyOjU1OjMwIC0wODAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20gKGxpc3RzLmlvLmNv
bSBbMTk5LjE3MC44OC4xNV0pIGJ5IG1haWwuYW5uZXguY29tICg4LjYuMTMvOC42LjEzKSB3aXRo
IEVTTVRQIGlkIEVBQTE3MDEzIGZvciA8bWFnbnVzQGFubmV4LmNvbT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5
OTYgMDQ6MzA6MTYgLTA3MDANClJlY2VpdmVkOiAoZnJvbSByb290QGxvY2FsaG9zdCkgYnkgbGlz
dHMuaW8uY29tICg4LjYuMTIvOC42LjEyKSBpZCBEQUEyNTI2MCBmb3IgbXlzdGFyYS1sLW91dGdv
aW5nOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDAzOjMzOjIyIC0wNTAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBkZWxp
dmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gKGRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlvLmNvbSBbMTk5LjE3MC44OC4xN10pIGJ5IGxp
c3RzLmlvLmNvbSAoOC42LjEyLzguNi4xMikgd2l0aCBFU01UUCBpZCBEQUEyNTE1MiBmb3IgPG15
c3RhcmEtbEBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20+OyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDAzOjIzOjExIC0wNTAwDQpS
ZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBtZW5nZXIuZWVjcy5zdGV2ZW5zLXRlY2guZWR1IChyb290QG1lbmdlci5l
ZWNzLnN0ZXZlbnMtdGVjaC5lZHUgWzE1NS4yNDYuODkuODFdKSBieSBkZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5j
b20gKDguNy41LzguNy4zKSB3aXRoIEVTTVRQIGlkIFZBQTAzNzgxIGZvciA8bXlzdGFyYS1sQGlv
LmNvbT47IFRodSwgMTkgU2VwIDE5OTYgMjE6NDM6MzkgLTA1MDAgKENEVCkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBm
cm9tIGxvY2FsaG9zdCAoc3Rhcmhhd2tAbG9jYWxob3N0KSBieSBtZW5nZXIuZWVjcy5zdGV2ZW5z
LXRlY2guZWR1ICg4LjcuNS84LjcuMykgd2l0aCBTTVRQIGlkIFZBQTE1MDkxIGZvciA8bXlzdGFy
YS1sQGlvLmNvbT47IFRodSwgMTkgU2VwIDE5OTYgMjE6MDI6MzAgLTA0MDAgKEVEVCkNCkRhdGU6
IFRodSwgMTkgU2VwIDE5OTYgMjE6MDI6MjkgLTA0MDAgKEVEVCkNCkZyb206IFN0YXJIYXdrIDxz
dGFyaGF3a0BtZW5nZXIuZWVjcy5zdGV2ZW5zLXRlY2guZWR1Pg0KVG86IG15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5D
T00NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBSZTogeW91ciBtYWlsDQpJbi1SZXBseS1UbzogPDE5OTYw
OTE3MTIzMS5IQUEwNDQ4NUBkZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20+DQpNZXNzYWdlLUlEOiA8UGluZS5H
U08uMy45NC45NjA5MTkyMDU0MDYuODE2NEItMTAwMDAwQG1lbmdlci5lZWNzLnN0ZXZlbnMtdGVj
aC5lZHU+DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLW15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5DT00NClByZWNlZGVuY2U6IGJ1bGsN
ClJlcGx5LVRvOiBteXN0YXJhLWxASU8uQ09NDQoNCg0KTyhPRlNIKU8oR1cpTUVFRUJCKEJDVyko
VVMpDQoNCkJydWNlIFBpZXJwb250DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQo=
- --tcpsmtp3025297ab8500ab33500ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025297ab8500ab33500ab--



- --QAA20479.843262299/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20081.843258497/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:28:16 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20081.843258497/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20080 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:28:16 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201719 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:21:18 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:20:52 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.20.52.2648551851.3025067@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201714 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:19:16 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00439 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:50:24 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00359 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:44:52 -0500
Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu (mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.20]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15816 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:59:21 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (mlevy@localhost) by orion.oac.uci.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA24479 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:59:19 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Levy <mlevy@orion.oac.uci.edu>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re: Blackmoor
In-Reply-To: <199609201649.MAA00989@wabakimi.carleton.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960920115703.19651L-100000@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com



On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:

> > On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Geoff Gander wrote:
> 
> > >   If you read GAZ3, it is said that the immortals moved the neclear reactor
> > > from the FSS Beagle to its current location, so as to better conceal it. 
> > > On the HW maps, the northernmost point of the Nentsun Peninsula lies
> > > almost within the HW itself, which corresponds to the accounts of Beastmen
> > > wandering north into the darklands, sheltering on old Blackmoor for a
> > > while, then moving into the HW.  I'd have to say that Blackmoor lies
> > > within the darklands now.
> > > 
> > >                           Geoff>
> > 
> > Aha!  I didn't catch that bit about the nucleus being moved.  that does
> > tend to solve the problem; unfortunately  I suppose that also means no
> > cool Blackmoorian relics hanging around the greater Glantri area, and the
> > Thonians didn't really migrate; maybe Mohacs still exists somewhere up in
> > that desolate wasteland.
> 
>       Who says? I think many scholars from Glantri and Alphatia (and nations
> yet to be created by our imaginations) would have gone on "archaeological
> expeditions" - mere fronts for their real purpose (power).  In my
> campaign, groups of Alphatian and Glantrian mages are competing for
> control over Blackmoor relics, all the while keeping secret the fact that
> they have found out where it was (ie: northern Skothar).  I also have a
> rogue Blackmoorian mage running around under many aliases - harassing the
> PCs (who are trying to uncover the Blackmoor mystery itself, because in my
> world it's a legend) and being a perfect DM tool.  Don't ask why he's
> still around, I just chalk it up to ancient Blackmoorian technologies,
> which the PCs will never get.  Besides, he's a perfect villain.
>       I would place Mohacs in the Plains of Rust, in the middle of the
From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:46 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA17719; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:02:43 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04426 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:31:30 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:31:30 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210231.VAA04426@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #225
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: d8ecc07de29407b1b0d37a44a1ec836f

> Thonian marches (I made this up - basically a vast desert composed of rust
> from all those Blackmoorian machines, good for an apocalyptic scenario,
> where half-barbarians fight over remnants of past glory (some of this I
> borrowed from this group).


Neat! Kind of a Mystaran Mad Max setting.  What about humanoids with
semi-functional blaster cannons, halftracks, hovercrafts, whatever ...
perhaps each item that still works could be a kind of magic item ... also
wouldn't such an area attract thousands of rust monsters, perhaps Xorn,
etc ...?
What else do you have worked out on Thonia?  Are you willing to share with
the rest of us hungry M-vultures?

m@2





- --PAA20081.843258497/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:05:51 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --RAA20667.843264351/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:05:49 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --RAA20667.843264351/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id RAA20666 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:05:49 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T202021 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:58:44 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:46 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.57.46.2648551851.3025430@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:
To: magnus@mail.annex.com

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T202018 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:00 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01739 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:02:01 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01664 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:59:04 -0500
Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00382 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:05:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: TSRBruce@aol.com
Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA13745 for mystara-l@io.com; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:04:37 -0400
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:04:37 -0400
Message-ID: <960919140437_481831997@emout09.mail.aol.com>
To: mystara-l@io.com
Subject: Re: [Mystara] Re:
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

In a message dated 96-09-18 19:18:46 EDT, Matt wrote:

>I don't think anyone had suggested that yet, but my vote is all for it.
>Ochalea is described in canon sources as having been colonized by
>Alphatians, but that doesn't make sense given the cultural disparity; it
>seems more likely that M-China was once more powerful than it is currently
>and sent colonists west; perhaps many of these could have already been
>living in Alphatia and Bellissaria when the Alphatians arrived, and been
>absorbed into their culture gradually.  Ochalea would be the only
>(relatively) untouched area left.  This probably would have had to have
>happened after the fall of Nithia

In a message dated 96-09-18 19:18:46 EDT, Andre Martins then wrote:

<<Or not. Maybe there was a small country ruled by the same people from
MChina near Esterhold Peninsula. It could have been a small kingdom, about
to be destroyed, that promissed access to all their magical knowledge as
well as loyalty to Alphatia if they would relocate them to a safer place
where they could live in peace. The way I see it, MChina can have existed
as an advanced civilization even for the last two thousand years, but it
never got interested in expanding its domains to other barabarian and
uninteresting lands.>>

Indeed. Alphatians could have deported *several* smaller realms to Ochalea.
The latter eventually formed a nation of its own, under Alphatian tutelage.
It could be that colonists from MChina also got there earlier, and that would
explain why Alphatia picked this island as some sort of ghetto for its other
Skothar "rabble". Ochalea, as a result, must have had a turbulent history
from the moment Alphatians turned the island into a dumping ground. Many of
these people probably didn't get along all that well initially, while rival
nobilities would have attempted to reach hegemony over the island's peoples.
Local snobbism may now be to prove one's direct descendence from the first
Skothar colonizers (not the western Skothar expatriates, of course), in
particular the ones who arrived aboard the illustrious *Spring-Lotus*, a junk
(Skothar ship) filled with pious colonists that shipwrecked on the shores of
Ochalea...    :)

Bruce Heard





- --RAA20667.843264351/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:43:43 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20599.843263023/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:43:41 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20599.843263023/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20598 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:43:41 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201946 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:36:38 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:34:42 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.34.42.2648551851.3025346@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025346ab8500ab33877ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025346ab8500ab33877ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201941 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:33:06 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01421 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:30:58 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01358 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:25:03 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29957 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:14:37 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id OAA19828; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:55 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:55 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202115.OAA19828@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025346ab8500ab33877ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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- --tcpsmtp3025346ab8500ab33877ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025346ab8500ab33877ab--



- --QAA20599.843263023/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:26:17 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20069.843258377/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:26:15 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20069.843258377/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20068 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:26:15 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201712 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:19:18 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:18:32 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.18.32.2648551851.3025056@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025056ab8500ab31312ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025056ab8500ab31312ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201705 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:17:08 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00710 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:18:50 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00613 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:12:22 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23077 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:08:13 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19550; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:32 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:09:32 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202009.NAA19550@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025056ab8500ab31312ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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==
- --tcpsmtp3025056ab8500ab31312ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025056ab8500ab31312ab--



- --PAA20069.843258377/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #225
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:53 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA18926; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:39:14 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04574 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:51:30 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:51:30 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210251.VAA04574@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #226
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: a192e218983a01b6cf13e2882c3de9b2


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 226


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:04:29 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20307.843260669/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:04:28 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20307.843260669/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20306 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:04:28 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201830 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:57:28 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:57:26 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.57.26.2648551851.3025214@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025214ab8500ab32557ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025214ab8500ab32557ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201826 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:56:12 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00862 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:33:50 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00670 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:16:50 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23485 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:12:14 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19571; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:34 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:13:34 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202013.NAA19571@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025214ab8500ab32557ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBOQUExOTU3MCBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTM6MTM6MzMgLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDEyNjEgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEzOjA2OjQ0IC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEyOjU1OjEyIC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC4xMi41NS4xMi4yNjQ4NTUxODUxLjMwMjQ1NjFAYmJzLmFubmV4LmNv
bT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbTXlzdGFyYV0gQ29hdCBvZiBBcm1zDQpUbzogbWFnbnVzQG1haWwu
YW5uZXguY29tDQpNSU1FLVZlcnNpb246IDEuMA0KQ29udGVudC1UcmFuc2Zlci1FbmNvZGluZzog
cXVvdGVkLXByaW50YWJsZQ0KDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNvbSBbMjA0Ljc0
LjY3LjQwXSBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29tIHdpdGggc210cA0KCWlkICRUMjAxMjExIDsgRnJpLCAy
MCBTZXAgMTk5NiAxMjo1MzowMCAtMDgwMA0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gbGlzdHMuaW8uY29tIChs
aXN0cy5pby5jb20gWzE5OS4xNzAuODguMTVdKSBieSBtYWlsLmFubmV4Lj0NCmNvbSAoOC42LjEz
LzguNi4xMykgd2l0aCBFU01UUCBpZCBGQUExNzI3NSBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0Bhbm5leC5jb20+OyBG
cmksIDI9DQowIFNlcCAxOTk2IDA1OjI5OjM3IC0wNzAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogKGZyb20gcm9vdEBs
b2NhbGhvc3QpIGJ5IGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbSAoOC42LjEyLzguNi4xMikgaWQgRkFBMjYxPQ0KNzgg
Zm9yIG15c3RhcmEtbC1vdXRnb2luZzsgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwNToxNjowOCAtMDUwMA0K
UmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gZGVsaXZlcmF0b3IuaW8uY29tIChkZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gWzE5
OS4xNzAuODguMTddKSBieT0NCiBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20gKDguNi4xMi84LjYuMTIpIHdpdGggRVNN
VFAgaWQgRkFBMjYwNjggZm9yIDxteXN0YXJhLWxAbGlzdHM9DQouaW8uY29tPjsgRnJpLCAyMCBT
ZXAgMTk5NiAwNTowMjo1NiAtMDUwMA0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gZW1haWwudW5pdmllLmFjLmF0
IChlbWFpbC51bml2aWUuYWMuYXQgWzEzMS4xMzAuMS4xOV0pIGJ5ID0NCmRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlv
LmNvbSAoOC43LjUvOC43LjMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBEQUEwMzQ1MCBmb3IgPG15c3RhcmEtbEBp
by49DQpjb20+OyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDAzOjU3OjA1IC0wNTAwIChDRFQpDQpSZWNlaXZl
ZDogZnJvbSB1bmV0LnVuaXZpZS5hYy5hdCBieSBlbWFpbC51bml2aWUuYWMuYXQgd2l0aCBTTVRQ
IChQUCk7DQogICAgICAgICAgRnJpLCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAxMDo1NjoyMyArMDIwMA0KUmVjZWl2
ZWQ6IGZyb20gdW5ldDI2LnVuaXZpZS5hYy5hdCAodW5ldDI2LnVuaXZpZS5hYy5hdCBbMTMxLjEz
MC4yMzAuMTI2XT0NCik9MjANCiAgICAgICAgICBieSB1bmV0LnVuaXZpZS5hYy5hdCAoOC43LjEv
OC43LjEpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBLQUEzNzg3NjsNCiAgICAgICAgICBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2
IDEwOjU2OjE2ICswMjAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEwOjU2OjE2ICswMjAwDQpN
ZXNzYWdlLUlkOiA8MTk5NjA5MjAwODU2LktBQTM3ODc2QHVuZXQudW5pdmllLmFjLmF0Pg0KWC1T
ZW5kZXI6IGE5MDAzMzA3QHVuZXQudW5pdmllLmFjLmF0DQpYLU1haWxlcjogV2luZG93cyBFdWRv
cmEgTGlnaHQgVmVyc2lvbiAxLjUuMg0KVG86IG15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5DT00NCkZyb206IFBldGVy
IEJhbGF6cyA8YTkwMDMzMDdAdW5ldC51bml2aWUuYWMuYXQ+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogW015c3Rh
cmFdIENvYXQgb2YgQXJtcw0KQ2M6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5DT00NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItbXlz
dGFyYS1sQElPLkNPTQ0KUHJlY2VkZW5jZTogYnVsaw0KUmVwbHktVG86IG15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5D
T00NCg0KPkJ5IHRoZSB3YXkuIEhhcyBhbnlvbmUgZWxzZSBub3RlZCBhbiBsaXR0bGUgZXJyb3Ig
aW4gdGhlIERvRSBib29rcz8NCj5JbiBteSBjb3B5LCBpbiBhbHBoYXRpYXMgYm9va2xldCB0aGVy
ZSBpcyB0aGlzIEFuZHJvc3BoaW5rcyBvbiBjb3ZlciwNCj5hbmQgaW4gVGh5YXRpYXMgYm9va2xl
dCB0aGVyZSBpcyBzb21ldGhpbmcgZWxzZSAoYSBoZWFkPyBjYW50IHJlbWVtYmVyKQ0KPm9uIHRo
ZSBjb3Zlci4gQnV0IGluIHRoZSBpbnRlcmlvciB0aGUgc2hhZHkgZmlndXJlcyBvbiBlYWNoIHBh
Z2UgYXJlDQo+VGh5YXRpczpBbmRyb3NwaGlueCBhbmQgQWxwaGF0aWE6dGhlc29tZXRoaW5nLiBB
IG5pY2UgbGl0dGxlIG1peC11cCwNCj5idXQgYW4gaGFyZCBvbmUgdG8gbm90ZSwgYXMgdGhlIHBp
Y3R1cmVzIGluIHRoZSBwYXBlciBhcmUgb25seSBzaGFkZXMuDQo+VGFrZSBhIGxvb2sgb24geW91
ciBib29rcy4uLiA9MjANCg0KST1CNHZlIGFsc28gbm90aWNlZCB0aGVzZSBlcnJvcnMgaW4gbXkg
Ym94IG9mIERvRS4gKEJ5IHRoZSB3YXkgdGhlc29tZXRoaT0NCm5nIGlzDQphbiBlYWdsZSAob3Ig
YSBzaW1pbGFyIGJpcmQgb2YgcHJleSkgd2l0aCB0d28gbGlnaHRuaW5ncyBpbiBoaXMgdGFsb25z
ISkuDQoNCkkgdGhpbmssIEkgY2FuIHJlbWViZXIsIHRoYXQgST1CNHZlIHJlYWQsIHRoYXQgdGhp
cyBlcnJvciB3YXMgY29ycmVjdGVkIGk9DQpuDQpsYXRlciBlZGl0aW9ucyBvZiBEb0UuIE1heWJl
IGl0IHdhcyBpbiBEcmFnb24gbWFnYXppbmUuIEJ1dCBhcyBJPUI0bSBub3QNCnJlYWxseSBzdXJl
LCBtYXliZSBub3QuDQoNCg0KKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioq
KioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKj0NCioqDQoJCQkJUGV0ZXIgQmFsYXpz
DQoJCQkgIChhOTAwMzMwN0B1bmV0LnVuaXZpZS5hYy5hdCkNCiAgIAkJICAgICBodHRwOi8vcmFk
b24ubWF0LnVuaXZpZS5hYy5hdC9+cGJhbGF6cw0KKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioq
KioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqKj0NCioqDQoNCg0K
DQoNCg0K
- --tcpsmtp3025214ab8500ab32557ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025214ab8500ab32557ab--



- --QAA20307.843260669/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:48 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20643.843263868/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:46 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20643.843263868/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20642 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:46 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201997 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:50:42 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:49:30 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.49.30.2648551851.3025401@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025401ab8500ab34351ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025401ab8500ab34351ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201991 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:48:10 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01455 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:31:57 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01303 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:19:14 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26646 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:41:29 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19714; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:46 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:46 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202042.NAA19714@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025401ab8500ab34351ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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==
- --tcpsmtp3025401ab8500ab34351ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025401ab8500ab34351ab--



- --QAA20643.843263868/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:06:53 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --RAA20673.843264413/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:06:50 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --RAA20673.843264413/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id RAA20672 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:06:50 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T202028 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:59:44 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:58:52 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.58.52.2648551851.3025433@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025433ab8500ab34650ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025433ab8500ab34650ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T202019 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:30 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01564 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:47:02 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01527 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:42:32 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00141 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:16:36 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id OAA19859; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:56 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:56 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202117.OAA19859@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025433ab8500ab34650ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:27:53 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA18926; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:39:14 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04574 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:51:30 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:51:30 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210251.VAA04574@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #226
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: a192e218983a01b6cf13e2882c3de9b2
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- --tcpsmtp3025433ab8500ab34650ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025433ab8500ab34650ab--



- --RAA20673.843264413/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:18 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20075.843258438/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:16 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20075.843258438/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20074 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:16 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201717 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:20:18 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:19:46 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.19.46.2648551851.3025063@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025063ab8500ab31351ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025063ab8500ab31351ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201709 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:18:10 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA29739 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:01:28 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29653 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:48:36 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12576 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:47 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id LAA19103; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:31:04 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:31:04 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201831.LAA19103@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025063ab8500ab31351ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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- --tcpsmtp3025063ab8500ab31351ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025063ab8500ab31351ab--



- --PAA20075.843258438/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:31:59 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --RAA20741.843265919/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:31:57 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --RAA20741.843265919/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id RAA20740 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:31:57 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T202074 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:24:50 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:24:48 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-15.24.48.2648551851.3025640@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025640ab8500ab35608ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025640ab8500ab35608ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T202070 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:23:34 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01706 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:01:02 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01622 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:52:09 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01671 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:32:40 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id OAA19919; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:34:00 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:34:00 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202134.OAA19919@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025640ab8500ab35608ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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- --tcpsmtp3025640ab8500ab35608ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025640ab8500ab35608ab--



- --RAA20741.843265919/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #226
*****************************


From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:28:01 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA19207; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:47:35 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA04870 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:29:14 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:29:14 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210329.WAA04870@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #227
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 911aff0c4159f517046f7c43334147f8


mystara-digest           Friday, 20 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 227


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --PAA20223.843259946/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:52:24 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --PAA20223.843259946/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id PAA20222 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:52:24 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201785 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:45:24 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:43:06 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.15.43.6.2648551851.3025154@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025154ab8500ab32099ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025154ab8500ab32099ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201779 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:41:34 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00299 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:34:06 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA29902 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:42 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17129 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:11:04 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id MAA19239; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:17 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:17 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609201912.MAA19239@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025154ab8500ab32099ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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- --tcpsmtp3025154ab8500ab32099ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025154ab8500ab32099ab--



- --PAA20223.843259946/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --RAA20717.843265558/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:25:56 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --RAA20717.843265558/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id RAA20716 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:25:56 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T202057 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:18:50 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:17:38 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-15.17.38.2648551851.3025623@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025623ab8500ab35379ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025623ab8500ab35379ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T202053 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:16:08 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01559 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:46:51 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01507 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:39:20 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01367 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:29:39 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id OAA19908; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:30:59 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:30:59 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202130.OAA19908@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025623ab8500ab35379ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBPQUExOTkwNyBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTQ6MzA6NTggLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDE1NjYgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDE0OjI0OjA0IC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDE0OjIzOjUyIC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC4xNC4yMy41Mi4yNjQ4NTUxODUxLjMwMjQ5MDBAYmJzLmFubmV4LmNv
bT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbTXlzdGFyYV0gQ29hdCBvZiBBcm1zDQpUbzogbWFnbnVzQG1haWwu
YW5uZXguY29tDQoNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbSBbMTk5LjE3MC44OC4xNV0g
YnkgYmJzLmFubmV4LmNvbSB3aXRoIHNtdHANCglpZCAkVDIwMTU2MiA7IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5
OTYgMTQ6MjI6MjggLTA4MDANClJlY2VpdmVkOiAoZnJvbSByb290QGxvY2FsaG9zdCkgYnkgbGlz
dHMuaW8uY29tICg4LjYuMTIvOC42LjEyKSBpZCBPQUEwMDE0MCBmb3IgbXlzdGFyYS1sLW91dGdv
aW5nOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDE0OjI0OjMyIC0wNTAwDQpSZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBkZWxp
dmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gKGRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlvLmNvbSBbMTk5LjE3MC44OC4xN10pIGJ5IGxp
c3RzLmlvLmNvbSAoOC42LjEyLzguNi4xMikgd2l0aCBFU01UUCBpZCBPQUEyOTg0NCBmb3IgPG15
c3RhcmEtbEBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20+OyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDE0OjA0OjI1IC0wNTAwDQpS
ZWNlaXZlZDogZnJvbSBvcmlvbi5vYWMudWNpLmVkdSAobWxldnlAb3Jpb24ub2FjLnVjaS5lZHUg
WzEyOC4yMDAuODAuMjBdKSBieSBkZWxpdmVyYXRvci5pby5jb20gKDguNy41LzguNy4zKSB3aXRo
IEVTTVRQIGlkIE5BQTEzMDQyIGZvciA8bXlzdGFyYS1sQElPLkNPTT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5
OTYgMTM6MzQ6MDQgLTA1MDAgKENEVCkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGxvY2FsaG9zdCAobWxldnlA
bG9jYWxob3N0KSBieSBvcmlvbi5vYWMudWNpLmVkdSAoOC43LjEvOC43LjEpIHdpdGggU01UUCBp
ZCBMQUEyMzAwOSBmb3IgPG15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5DT00+OyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDExOjMz
OjUzIC0wNzAwIChQRFQpDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDExOjMzOjUyIC0wNzAwIChQ
RFQpDQpGcm9tOiBNYXR0aGV3IExldnkgPG1sZXZ5QG9yaW9uLm9hYy51Y2kuZWR1Pg0KVG86IG15
c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbTXlzdGFyYV0gQ29hdCBvZiBBcm1zDQpJbi1S
ZXBseS1UbzogPDEuNS40LjMyLjE5OTYwOTE5MTU0ODUyLjAwNmEzNzc0QG1haWwubHVuZXQuaXQ+
DQpNZXNzYWdlLUlEOiA8UGluZS5TVU4uMy45My45NjA5MjAxMTMzMDEuMTk2NTFHLTEwMDAwMEBv
cmlvbi5vYWMudWNpLmVkdT4NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItbXlzdGFyYS1sQGlvLmNvbQ0KUHJlY2Vk
ZW5jZTogYnVsaw0KUmVwbHktVG86IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NCg0KDQoNCk9uIFRodSwgMTkg
U2VwIDE5OTYsIEZhYnJpemlvIFBhb2xpIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IEF0IDE4LjIyIDE3LzA5Lzk2IC0w
NDAwLCBTdGFyaGF3ayB3cm90ZToNCj4gPg0KPiA+DQo+ID5PbiBUdWUsIDE3IFNlcCAxOTk2LCBG
YWJyaXppbyBQYW9saSB3cm90ZToNCj4gPg0KPiA+PiBBdCAwMC4wMyAxNC8wOS85NiAtMDQwMCwg
RXN0bG9yIHdyb3RlOg0KPiA+PiANCj4gPj4gDQo+ID4+ID5HbGFudHJpOiBSZWQgc2hpZWxkIHdp
From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:28:01 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA19207; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:47:35 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA04870 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:29:14 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:29:14 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210329.WAA04870@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #227
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 911aff0c4159f517046f7c43334147f8
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- --tcpsmtp3025623ab8500ab35379ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025623ab8500ab35379ab--



- --RAA20717.843265558/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:38:42 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20522.843262722/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:38:40 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20522.843262722/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20521 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:38:40 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201932 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:31:38 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:31:26 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.31.26.2648551851.3025329@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025329ab8500ab33773ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025329ab8500ab33773ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201927 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:29:54 -0800
Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with ESMTP id QAA20517 for <magnus@annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:36:56 -0700
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA01002 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:49:28 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00789 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:30:38 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23959 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:17:15 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19600; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:18:35 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:18:35 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202018.NAA19600@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025329ab8500ab33773ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"

UmV0dXJuLVBhdGg6IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5jb20NClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGJicy5hbm5leC5j
b20gKGJicy5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43NC42Ny4xXSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4x
My84LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBOQUExOTU5OSBmb3IgPG1hZ251c0BtYWlsLmFubmV4LmNv
bT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTM6MTg6MzQgLTA3MDANCkZyb206IG15c3RhcmEtbEBpby5j
b20NClgtQUZXRDogNDM0OTkzMjkNClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIE1IUyBieSBiYnMuYW5uZXguY29t
IHdpdGggTUhTDQogICAgaWQgJFQyMDEyODYgOyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEzOjExOjQ0IC0w
ODAwDQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDEyOjU2OjU0IC0wODAwIA0KTWVzc2FnZS1JRDog
PFRDUFNNVFAuMTYuOS4yMC4xMi41Ni41NC4yNjQ4NTUxODUxLjMwMjQ1OTBAYmJzLmFubmV4LmNv
bT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBTaGFkb3cgTG9yZCBvZiBEZW5hZ290aD8NClRvOiBtYWdu
dXNAbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20NCg0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gWzIwNC43
NC42Ny40MF0gYnkgYmJzLmFubmV4LmNvbSB3aXRoIHNtdHANCglpZCAkVDIwMTI0NyA7IEZyaSwg
MjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTI6NTQ6NTAgLTA4MDANClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbSAo
bGlzdHMuaW8uY29tIFsxOTkuMTcwLjg4LjE1XSkgYnkgbWFpbC5hbm5leC5jb20gKDguNi4xMy84
LjYuMTMpIHdpdGggRVNNVFAgaWQgRkFBMTcxODEgZm9yIDxtYWdudXNAYW5uZXguY29tPjsgRnJp
LCAyMCBTZXAgMTk5NiAwNTowNTozMSAtMDcwMA0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IChmcm9tIHJvb3RAbG9jYWxo
b3N0KSBieSBsaXN0cy5pby5jb20gKDguNi4xMi84LjYuMTIpIGlkIEVBQTI1NzM0IGZvciBteXN0
YXJhLWwtb3V0Z29pbmc7IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDQ6MzE6MjEgLTA1MDANClJlY2VpdmVk
OiBmcm9tIGRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlvLmNvbSAoZGVsaXZlcmF0b3IuaW8uY29tIFsxOTkuMTcwLjg4
LjE3XSkgYnkgbGlzdHMuaW8uY29tICg4LjYuMTIvOC42LjEyKSB3aXRoIEVTTVRQIGlkIEVBQTI1
NjczIGZvciA8bXlzdGFyYS1sQGxpc3RzLmlvLmNvbT47IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMDQ6MjQ6
MzQgLTA1MDANClJlY2VpdmVkOiBmcm9tIGNsb3RoZXMucGVnLmFwYy5vcmcgKHd3dy5wZWcuYXBj
Lm9yZyBbMTkyLjEzMS4xMy4xMF0pIGJ5IGRlbGl2ZXJhdG9yLmlvLmNvbSAoOC43LjUvOC43LjMp
IHdpdGggRVNNVFAgaWQgRUFBMDM2OTkgZm9yIDxteXN0YXJhLWxAaW8uY29tPjsgRnJpLCAyMCBT
ZXAgMTk5NiAwNDowMDo0OSAtMDUwMCAoQ0RUKQ0KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20gRGVmYXVsdCAodjM0
LmRpYWx1cC5wZWcuYXBjLm9yZyBbMTkyLjIwMy4xNzYuMjI2XSkgYnkgY2xvdGhlcy5wZWcuYXBj
Lm9yZyAoOC43LjUvOC43LjMpIHdpdGggU01UUCBpZCBTQUEwNjkxMiBmb3IgPG15c3RhcmEtbEBp
by5jb20+OyBGcmksIDIwIFNlcCAxOTk2IDE4OjU5OjQ4ICsxMDAwIChFU1QpDQpNZXNzYWdlLUlk
OiA8MTk5NjA5MjAwODU5LlNBQTA2OTEyQGNsb3RoZXMucGVnLmFwYy5vcmc+DQpDb21tZW50czog
QXV0aGVudGljYXRlZCBzZW5kZXIgaXMgPHNsZWVweUBwb3AucGVnLmFwYy5vcmc+DQpGcm9tOiAi
U2hhbmUiIDxzbGVlcHlAcG9wLnBlZy5hcGMub3JnPg0KVG86IG15c3RhcmEtbEBJTy5DT00NCkRh
dGU6IEZyaSwgMjAgU2VwIDE5OTYgMTk6MDA6NTcgKzEwMDANClN1YmplY3Q6IFtNeXN0YXJhXSBT
aGFkb3cgTG9yZCBvZiBEZW5hZ290aD8NClByaW9yaXR5OiBub3JtYWwNClgtbWFpbGVyOiBQZWdh
c3VzIE1haWwgZm9yIFdpbmRvd3MgKHYyLjIzKQ0KU2VuZGVyOiBvd25lci1teXN0YXJhLWxASU8u
Q09NDQpQcmVjZWRlbmNlOiBidWxrDQpSZXBseS1UbzogbXlzdGFyYS1sQElPLkNPTQ0KDQpPbiAx
NyBTZXAgOTYsIE1hdHRoZXcgTGV2eSB3cm90ZToNClttYWpvciBzbmlwcGFnZV0NCj4gSWYgaGUg
YWxsaWVzIHdpdGggRGVuYWdvdGgsIGV2ZW4gdGhlIHN1bSB0b3RhbCBvZiB0aGUgS1cncyBzdHJl
bmd0aCBtYXkNCj4gbm90IGJlIGFibGUgdG8gc3RvcCBoaW0uDQoNCklzIHRoZXJlIGEgJ2Nhbm9u
JyBydWxlciBvZiBEZW5hZ290aCBpbiBBQzEwMDAgb253YXJkcz8gVGhlIGludGVyZXN0aW5nDQp0
aGluZyBhYm91dCBtb2R1bGUgWDExLCBTYWdhIG9mIHRoZSBTaGFkb3cgTG9yZCwgaXMgdGhhdCB5
b3UgY2FuIGdldCB0d28NCmRhdGVzIG9uIGl0IGJ5IGNyb3NzLXJlZmVyZW5jaW5nIHdpdGggdGhl
IFBvb3IgV2l6YXJkJ3MgQWxtYW5hY3MgKHR3bw0KZGF0ZXMsIGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlcmUncyBhIGRp
c2NyZXBhbmN5IGJldHdlZW4gdGhlIEdlb2dyYXBoaWMgT3ZlcnZpZXcsDQp3aGljaCBpbmRpY2F0
ZXMgR3lsaGFyZW4gcmVjZWl2ZWQgdGhlIEVsdmVuc3RhciBhYm91dCBBQzgxMCwgYW5kIHRoZQ0K
V2hvJ3MgV2hvLCB3aGljaCBpbmRpY2F0ZXMgaGUgcmVjZWl2ZWQgaXQgYWJvdXQgQUM5MTApLg0K
DQpUaGUgYWR2ZW50dXJlIHRodXMgdGFrZXMgcGxhY2UgdGhpcnR5IHllYXJzIGxhdGVyIChBQzg0
MCBvciBBQzk0MCksIGFuZA0Kc2luY2UgR3lsaGFyZW4gc3RpbGwgaGFzIGhpcyB0aHJvbmUgaW4g
QUMxMDEyLCBJJ20gcHJlc3VtaW5nIHRoZQ0KRWx2ZW5zdGFyIHdhcyByZWNvdmVyZWQgYW5kIHRo
ZSBTaGFkb3cgTG9yZCBvZiBEZW5hZ290aCBkaWRuJ3QgZ2V0IGhpcw0KbWl0dHMgb24gdGhlIEJs
YWNrc3RpY2sgKGEgUm9kIG9mIFVuZGVhZCBSdWxlcnNoaXAsIHdoaWNoIHNlZW1lZCB0byBiZQ0K
YSBoaWdoZXItcG93ZXJlZCBmb3JtIG9mIGEgR2VuZXJpYy1pdGVtIG9mIFVuZGVhZCBDb250cm9s
OyBhdCBsZWFzdCwNClgxMSBtZW50aW9ucyBUZXJpYWsgbmVlZHMgaXQgZ2FpbiBjb250cm9sIG92
ZXIgImxlZ2lvbnMgb2YgdW5kZWFkIikuDQpIb3dldmVyLCB0aGUgQWxtYW5hY3MgaGF2ZSB0aGlz
IHRvIHNheTogIkltcG9ydGFudCBGaWd1cmVzOiBUaGUgU2hhZG93DQpMb3JkLCBhIG5lY3JvbWFu
Y2VyIHdobyByb3NlIHRvIHBvd2VyIGluIHRoZSBwYXN0LiBTb21lIHN1c3BlY3QgaGUgbWF5DQpz
dGlsbCBydWxlIHBhcnRzIG9mIERlbmFnb3RoLiIgSWYgVGVyaWFrICh0aGUgU2hhZG93IExvcmQp
IGlzIHN0aWxsDQonYWxpdmUnIGluIEFDMTAwMCsgdGhlbiB0aGUgTWFzdGVyIG1heSBvZmZlciBz
b21ldGhpbmcgd29ydGggVGVyaWFrDQptYWtpbmcgdHJvdWJsZSBhZ2Fpbi4gQWx0ZXJuYXRpdmVs
eSwgVGVyaWFrIG1heSBpbmRlZWQgaGF2ZSBzdWNjZWVkZWQNCmluIG9idGFpbmluZyB0aGUgQmxh
Y2tzdGljaywgaW4gd2hpY2ggY2FzZSBoZSBoYXMgYmVlbiBzcGVuZGluZyB0aGUNCnBhc3QgMTcw
IChvciA3MCkgeWVhcnMgcXVpZXRseSBhbWFzc2luZyBhbiBlbm9ybW91cyBhcm15IG9mIHVuZGVh
ZCENCg0KSU1DLCBhZnRlciB0aGUgcGFydHkgcmV0cmlldmVkIHRoZSBFbHZlbnN0YXIsIG9uIHRo
ZWlyIHdheSBiYWNrIHRvDQpXZW5kYXIgdGhleSByb3V0ZWQgVGVyaWFrJ3MgYXJteSBmcm9tIGl0
cyBjYW1wIG5lYXIgdGhlIHZpbGxhZ2UgKG9uZQ0KcGxheWVyIGNvbW1lbnRlZCBzb21ldGhpbmcg
bGlrZSAid2Fzbid0IGl0IHRob3VnaHRmdWwgb2YgVGVyaWFrIHRvIGhhdmUNCmNsb3Vka2lsbCBp
biBoaXMgc3BlbGxib29rIiAtIHRoZSB0cmlvIG9mIG1hZ2VzIGluIHRoZSBwYXJ0eSBoYWQgYQ0K
YmFsbCB3aXRoIHRoYXQgc3BlbGwpLCBhbmQgZGlkIG1hbmFnZSB0byBrZWVwIFRlcmlhayBmcm9t
IGdldHRpbmcgdGhlDQpCbGFja3N0aWNrLiBJJ2QgYmUgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCB0byBrbm93IGlmIGxh
dGVyIG1vZHVsZXMgbWFkZSBhbnkgbWVudGlvbg0Kb2YgVGVyaWFrJ3MgY2Fub25pY2FsIGZhdGUu
DQoNCih0aGF0IHRyaW8gb2YgcGxheWVycywgaGF2aW5nIHJlYWNoZWQgbmFtZSBsZXZlbCBkdXJp
bmcgdGhlIGFkdmVudHVyZSwNCiBkZWNpZGVkIHRvIGFzayAtIGluIGxpZXUgb2YgdGhlIEtpbmcn
cyBpbnRlbmRlZCByZXdhcmQgb2YgYmFyb25pZXMgb24NCiBXZW5kYXIncyBub3J0aGVybiBib3Jk
ZXJzIC0gR3lsaGFyZW4ncyBoZWxwIGluIGNsYWltaW5nIERlbmFnb3RoIGl0c2VsZi4NCiBBbWJp
dGlvdXMgbGl0dGxlIG1hZ2VsaW5ncywgd2VyZW4ndCB0aGV5LiA7KQ0KDQoiUmlnaHRobywgeW91
J3ZlIGdvdCB5b3VyIGdlbSBiYWNrLCBub3cgaG93IGFib3V0IHlvdSBtYWtlIHVzIHByaW5jZXMN
CmFuZCB3ZSdsbCBnbyB0YWtlIERlbmFnb3RoIGZvciB5b3UuIiAtLSBidXQgdGhleSBkaWQgYXQg
bGVhc3QgcGhyYXNlIGl0DQphIGdyZWF0IGRlYWwgbW9yZSBwb2xpdGVseSwgYXMgSSByZWNhbGwu
IFRoZXkgZGlkbid0IGdldCB0byBiZSBpbnN0YW50DQpyb3lhbHR5LCBidXQgdGhleSBkaWQgY2xh
aW0gRGVuYWdvdGggKHdlbGwsIHNvcnQgb2YuLi4gdGhlIGh1bWFub2lkcw0Kd2VyZSBkaXNwdXRp
bmcgdGhlIGlzc3VlIHdoZW4gc29tZSBvZiB0aGUgcGxheWVycyBtb3ZlZCBpbnRlcnN0YXRlKQ0K
LS0NClNoYW5lLCBBdXN0cmFsaWEgKHNsZWVweUBwZWcuYXBjLm9yZyArIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cucGVn
LmFwYy5vcmcvfnNsZWVweSkNCiAgICAgIGRpc2NsYWltZXIgLSBJIG1pZ2h0IGhhdmUgbm8gaWRl
YSB3aGF0IEknbSB0YWxraW5nIGFib3V0DQogIFRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBzZW50IHVzaW5nIDEwMCUg
cmVjeWNsZWQgZWxlY3Ryb25zIC0gbWlsZWFnZSB2YXJpZXMhDQoNCg0KDQoNCg==
- --tcpsmtp3025329ab8500ab33773ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025329ab8500ab33773ab--



- --QAA20522.843262722/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:53:48 -0700
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

- --QAA20626.843263628/mail.annex.com

The original message was received at Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:53:45 -0700
from bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----

- --QAA20626.843263628/mail.annex.com
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: mystara-l@io.com
Received: from bbs.annex.com (bbs.annex.com [204.74.67.1]) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with SMTP id QAA20625 for <magnus@mail.annex.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:53:45 -0700
From: mystara-l@io.com
X-AFWD: 43499329
Received: from MHS by bbs.annex.com with MHS
    id $T201979 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:46:40 -0800
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:46:10 -0800 
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.20.-16.46.10.2648551851.3025378@bbs.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
To: magnus@mail.annex.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tcpsmtp3025378ab8500ab34245ab"


* Note * This message contains an attachement that has been encoded using
* Note * the MIME standard. If you see this portion of the message, the
* Note * mail client you are using does not understand MIME.

- --tcpsmtp3025378ab8500ab34245ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Received: from lists.io.com [199.170.88.15] by bbs.annex.com with smtp
        id $T201976 ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:45:14 -0800
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00959 for mystara-l-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:46:47 -0500
Received: from deliverator.io.com (deliverator.io.com [199.170.88.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA00903 for <mystara-l@lists.io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:39:55 -0500
Received: from mail.annex.com (root@mail.annex.com [204.74.67.40]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26235 for <mystara-l@io.com>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:37:28 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.annex.com (8.6.13/8.6.13) with internal id NAA19701; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:44 -0700
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:44 -0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <Annex.mail.daemon@mail.annex.com>
Subject: [Mystara] Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <199609202038.NAA19701@mail.annex.com>
To: <mystara-l@io.com>
Sender: owner-mystara-l@io.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: mystara-l@io.com

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
magnus@bbs.annex.com  (unrecoverable error)
    (expanded from: <magnus@mail.annex.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to bbs.annex.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 Transaction failed.
554 magnus@bbs.annex.com... Service unavailable

   ----- Original message follows -----



- --tcpsmtp3025378ab8500ab34245ab
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="FILE.EXT"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FILE.EXT"
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 ???@??? Sat Sep 21 14:28:01 1996
Return-Path: <owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com>
Received: from lists.io.com by student.anu.edu.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
        id NAA19207; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:47:35 +1000
From: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Received: (from root@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA04870 for mystara-digest-outgoing; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:29:14 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:29:14 -0500
Message-Id: <199609210329.WAA04870@lists.io.com>
To: mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Subject:   mystara-digest V1 #227
Reply-To: mystara@lists.io.com
Errors-To: owner-mystara-digest@lists.io.com
Precedence: bulk
X-UIDL: 911aff0c4159f517046f7c43334147f8
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- --tcpsmtp3025378ab8500ab34245ab
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


- --tcpsmtp3025378ab8500ab34245ab--



- --QAA20626.843263628/mail.annex.com--


------------------------------

End of mystara-digest V1 #227
*****************************