mystara-digest       Friday, December 4 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 735



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend
Re: [MYSTARA] - Underocean Timeline AC 1014 and 1015
[MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
RE: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
RE: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
RE: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend
[MYSTARA] - Weapon Skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend
[MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - Alphatia: The Lost Histories
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
[MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: The Precepts of Akh'All]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:21:07 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend

On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 dlegend@earthlink.net wrote:

> I left aol and I can't update the page. I thought Aol would take it down,
> but they didn't.
> What did you try to download?

The Page is still there alright. I tried to download the Princess Ark
maps, but dont worry about it, I found that they are also on DMs page.

So, are you setting up a new page elsewhere? :)

Håvard

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:48:57 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Underocean Timeline AC 1014 and 1015

On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Aaron E Nowack wrote:

<snip>

Great stuff Aaron!
But why does it seem like everything is over by the end of the year..? :(
Da Capo?

Håvard

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:54:21 -0500
From: Scott Shelton <scott.shelton@usa.net>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

I sent this earlier this past week but no one answered me.  I'll try again.


I've been out of the ODND picture for about 10 years now, and I'm trying to get

back into it b/c I'm running a PBEM adventure using the basic rules.
I'm sure these questions are stupid, but please bear with me.

Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?

Are there any other classes available besides the Mage, Fighter, Thief, Cleric,

Elf and Dwarf?

How did MYSTARA evolve from a ODND world to a ADND world?

Thanks for your patience.




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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:05:21 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Scott Shelton wrote:

> I sent this earlier this past week but no one answered me.  I'll try again.

Hiya!
 
> I've been out of the ODND picture for about 10 years now, and I'm trying to
> get
> 
> back into it b/c I'm running a PBEM adventure using the basic rules.
> I'm sure these questions are stupid, but please bear with me.

Check my signature, below. No offence man ;)

> Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?

No, im afraid not :(

> Are there any other classes available besides the Mage, Fighter,
> Thief, Cleric,  Elf and Dwarf?

Yep, you have the Mystic and Druid which can be found in the D&D
Rules Cyclopedia. Rules for playing dozens of races can be found in the
Creature Crucible series and in the ORCs of Thar Gazetteer. Also Bruce
Heard made up a few which have been published in Dragon Magazine. (From
what I hear Dragon 1-250 will be released on 2 CDs in the near future.
Check em out)

> How did MYSTARA evolve from a ODND world to a ADND world?

This happened when TSR decided to ditch OD&D. Unfortunately, the AD&D
Mystara products werent as good as they could have been. Note that the Red
Steel products also are part of Mystara, even though they dont say so.

> Thanks for your patience.

Anytime! If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.

Sincerely,
Håvard

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:20:35 -0500
From: Scott Shelton <scott.shelton@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

> > Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?
>
> No, im afraid not :(
>

Since they aren't producting the stuff anymore, is it still copyrighted and are
there any sites on the net where there are scanned copies of some of the old
stuff?

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:22:07 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

Håvard is right. But welcome to the list!! 

Kristian "X" Kramer
"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't..."
http://www.xanthus.demon.nl

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Scott Shelton [SMTP:scott.shelton@usa.net]
> Sent:	Friday, December 04, 1998 2:54 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	[MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
> 
> I sent this earlier this past week but no one answered me.  I'll try
> again.
> 
> 
> I've been out of the ODND picture for about 10 years now, and I'm trying
> to get
> 
> back into it b/c I'm running a PBEM adventure using the basic rules.
> I'm sure these questions are stupid, but please bear with me.
> 
> Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?
> 
> Are there any other classes available besides the Mage, Fighter, Thief,
> Cleric,
> 
> Elf and Dwarf?
> 
> How did MYSTARA evolve from a ODND world to a ADND world?
> 
> Thanks for your patience.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Scott Shelton
> <scott.shelton@usa.net>
> http://www.linkserv.net/linkware
> http://www.linkserv.net/Kalimdor
> IRC : DukeLeto
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:33:02 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

Ask Havard, he knows everything!! :-)

Kristian Kramer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Scott Shelton [SMTP:scott.shelton@usa.net]
> Sent:	Friday, December 04, 1998 3:21 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
> 
> > > Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?
> >
> > No, im afraid not :(
> >
> 
> Since they aren't producting the stuff anymore, is it still copyrighted
> and are
> there any sites on the net where there are scanned copies of some of the
> old
> stuff?
> 
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:20:41 +0100
From: Cobaye <Frederic.DeLaval@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

Sorry, server is very busy.
among gazeeters lines, you can see a lot of other classes like merchants,
elementalists, orcs, goboes, sailors, and much about priests and cults.The
difference between basic, and Mystara is that each country has a typical
character's class.
Most, in gazeetters lines there are explanations about translating odnd gazeeter to
adnd products and second edition adnd products.TSR have made another earlier
edition about, for adnd 2nd edition, but even if these products are graphically
enhanced, the lines do not give us more than the original gazeeter.So try to
purchase these.
friendly,
Fred"Cobaye"de Laval
PS: I hope others turned their faces to you, cause they can give you more answers
than I can. My english is very limited.


Scott Shelton a écrit:

> I sent this earlier this past week but no one answered me.  I'll try again.
>
> I've been out of the ODND picture for about 10 years now, and I'm trying to get
>
> back into it b/c I'm running a PBEM adventure using the basic rules.
> I'm sure these questions are stupid, but please bear with me.
>
> Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?
>
> Are there any other classes available besides the Mage, Fighter, Thief, Cleric,
>
> Elf and Dwarf?
>
> How did MYSTARA evolve from a ODND world to a ADND world?
>
> Thanks for your patience.
>
> --
> Scott Shelton
> <scott.shelton@usa.net>
> http://www.linkserv.net/linkware
> http://www.linkserv.net/Kalimdor
> IRC : DukeLeto
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:23:55 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Scott Shelton wrote:

> > > Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?

> > No, im afraid not :(
> 
> Since they aren't producting the stuff anymore, is it still
> copyrighted and are there any sites on the net where there are scanned
> copies of some of the old stuff?

It is still copyrighted, and there are no such sites AFAIK. However, there
are some places on the net where you can buy old stuff. I believe some of
them are mentioned in the Mystara Mailinglist FAQ which can be found at

http://www.lesbois.com/members/malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html

Hope this helps,

Sincerely,
Håvard

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:24:42 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Kristian Kramer wrote:

> Ask Havard, he knows everything!! :-)

I didnt know that.... ;)

Håvard

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:58:49 -0800
From: dlegend@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend

I don't plan to set up a new page because I don't have the time to maintain
it.
But I'm glad you found what you where looking for.

dlegend@earthlink.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Håvard Rønne Faanes <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM <mystara-l@MPGN.COM>
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend


On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 dlegend@earthlink.net wrote:

> I left aol and I can't update the page. I thought Aol would take it down,
> but they didn't.
> What did you try to download?

The Page is still there alright. I tried to download the Princess Ark
maps, but dont worry about it, I found that they are also on DMs page.

So, are you setting up a new page elsewhere? :)

Håvard

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:41:55 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Weapon Skills

> My DM says that for such weapons we have to specify the skill
> dagger (close combat) or dagger (throw), bastard sword (1 hand)
> or bastard sword (2 hands)... and if we don't take all the skills
> for a weapon, we can use it in the other ways but as a 'similar
> weapon' [Pierre-Yves]

This isn't an "official" rule in either D&D or AD&D. Proficiency normally
allows you to use your weapons as described. On the other hand, whatever your
DM decides is "official" in his/her campaign. You just have to do with it. On
the plus side the rule applies to everyone else including your character's
foes. Does you DM allow other optional rules that correspond to the players'
wishes? Give and take is always nice -- after all the role of the DM is to
entertain his/her players and not to be a tyrant. :o)

Bruce Heard

PS: la loi du plus fort etant toujours la meilleure, les regles suivantes
s'imposent:
1. Le DM a raison
2. Le DM a toujours raison
3. Si le DM a tord, appliquer la regle #1



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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:05:00 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills

     
> wishes? Give and take is always nice -- after all the role of the DM is
to
> entertain his/her players and not to be a tyrant. :o)
> 
It isn't?
	Boy, now I'm disillusioned. 8-)~
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:59:36 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend

In a message dated 98-12-04 08:36:27 EST, you write:

<< 
 The Page is still there alright. I tried to download the Princess Ark
 maps, but dont worry about it, I found that they are also on DMs page.
  >>

Where is DM's page BTW?

BoBoII

"Hear and obey . . . Etc. etc."
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:18:18 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

A while someone complained about the use of acronyms in Mystara (e.g. NACE)
because it sounded too modern.
Last week it occurred to me that acronyms were used also in Rome, about
2000 years ago:
SPQR (Senatus PopulusQue Romanus) is just an example, the inscription
I.N.R.I. on Jesus' cross is another one.
Other examples can be found also in Middle Age catholic churches.
**************
Fabrizio Paoli	
brizio@gdr.net
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:00:33 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Alphatia: The Lost Histories

Very cool, Andrew!

An interesting perspective on the blank slate we call Alphatian history! :)

Geoff

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:16:25 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

Scott wrote:

>Is the ODND line still being produced by TSR?

Unfortunately, no. IIRC, it was axed by TSR sometimes around 1992-93. 
Mystara, the D&D world (also known as the Known World is some adventures),
was later converted over to AD&D, a job most of us seem to agree was
rather shoddily done, to say the least.  Sales fell after that (for
reasons I won't get into here), and Mystara died a whimpering death
sometime around 1994.  A tremendous disservice to a wonderful game world. :(

>Are there any other classes available besides the Mage, Fighter, Thief, Cleric,
>Elf and Dwarf?

You bet! In the numerous gazetteers, and in several Dragon magazine
articles, new character classes and races were introduced.  The sheer
number of them open to PCs is stunning, and offhand I can't remember all
of them right now.  Anyone willing to help me out here?

Let's see..

elves can be clerics, fighters, standard elves (fighter/mages) and treekeepers

dwarves can be normal dwarves and clerics

halflings can be themselves, or Masters

There are also new character classes - druidic knights, bards, rakes,
foresters (rangers), shamans, specialist mages, and so on.

FInally, numerous supplements showed how to create gnollish, gnomish,
orcish, goblin, hobgoblin, troll, bugbear, kobold, hutaakan, centaur,
pixie, sprite, lycanthropic, and other races.

 >How did MYSTARA evolve from a ODND world to a ADND world?

Not very well, IMO.  From what I heard, numerous managers were given the
job at TSR, and overall they didn't seem to care how well the job was
done.  As a result, AD&D Mystara products tended to be on the poor
side (IMO), and I found they insulted the intelligence of the average
Mystara fan.  The fact that they slapped in those CDs (which drove
the price up) didn't help too much, either.  Judging from how things
turned out, it was likely doomed from the start.

Geoff

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:24:01 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

Scott wrote:

>Since they aren't producting the stuff anymore, is it still copyrighted and are
>there any sites on the net where there are scanned copies of some of the old
>stuff?
>

A bunch of us pondered this before - since TSR isn't doing anything with
it, why not sell it to us in shares, or make it public domain (if they're
sure they can't make money off of it)?

Sadly, it seems TSR/WotC has decided to hold onto the copyright, since
there might be a chance, somewhere down the line, when they could bring
back Mystara and make money off of it.  Makes sense from a business
standpoint.  For now, they're sitting on it, without doing anything with it.

Mind you, there are many fine products written by members of this
netgroup.  Feel free to browse the many websites and see what you like. 
IMO, because we're doing this out of love for the game, a lot of the
net-generated stuff is actually better than some of the material written
by TSR.

Hope this helps,

Geoff

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:28:50 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: The Precepts of Akh'All]

    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff")
    To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'")
    Subject: The Precepts of Akh'All
    Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:04:14 -0500 

    
    The Precepts of Akh'All
    
    "'Lo, the hills quaver under the shadow of He Who Must Not Be Seen, horrid
    Ubbeth churns the seas with his mighty form! Rasthz-K'ha! He who sweeps in
    from the skies! Above it all, 'midst the charnel horrors of obscene dreams
    which no man must dream, of sounds no sane mind should dare hear, I hear the
    words,
    'AN-CHAGGOTH MWATH-KHEM!'.  They come! They will stand over all! The
    Immortals are as nothing to them!"
    
    --Galfridus Cassius Cato, "Liber III", The Precepts of Akh'All, published in
    Thyatis City circa AC 627.
    
    The Precepts of Akh'All is a spellbook containing a fragment of the lore of
    the Outer Beings.  Originally written in AC 627, by Galfridus Cassius Cato
    in the Thyatian city of Kantridae, the Precepts are a collection of barely
    intelligible scribblings, dire hints of the awesome powers of the Outer
    Beings, and a handful of spells.  As Galfridus was not a spellcaster
    himself, the fact that these spells actually work is nothing short of
    miraculous.
    
    All seven known copies of the Precepts come in the form of a black ledger,
    measuring one foot long by eight inches wide, containing roughly 200
    hand-written pieces of parchment, sewn into the ledger itself, arranged in
    four "books".  There is no writing on the cover; the image of a broken
    sphere is painted on it with red ink, symbolizing Mystara broken by the
    power of the Outer Beings (though casual readers will not know this).  The
    writing is, for the most part, legible, though an experienced observer of
    handwriting will notice that the style of the lettering itself changes
    considerably whenever the writer lapses into writing about his dreams, which
    is all too often.  In these places, the writing is exceedingly shaky, and an
    Intelligence check is required to read each page.  There are roughly 60 such
    pages in the Precepts.
    
    Liber I discusses the ancient times, the era when the Outer Beings freely
    roamed the multiverse.  This section is the most unintelligible one,
    consisting mainly of praises of the Outer Beings' power, mixed with broken
    narratives of how they were sealed away into their prisons by the Old Ones,
    while Mystara was still an infant world.
    
    Liber II goes into greater detail about the Outer Beings themselves, going
    so far as to name Akh'All, Rasthz the Many-Mouthed, Ubbeth of the Deeps, He
    Who Must Not Be Seen, and Yurrgh-Thal.  Much of the focus is, as the name
    implies, on Akh'All, whom Galfridus identifies as one of the leading Outer
    Beings, a "festering source of infamy."  Mercifully, the attempted
    descriptions of these beings fails completely, though there are suggestive
    hints as to what they might look like.  This "book" also details some of the
    Outer Beings' known powers, but these are couched in the vaguest form, and
    are of no use from an investigative perspective.  The account does, however,
    manage to convey the sheer power and malevolence of the Outer Beings.
    
    Liber III is a prophecy of the coming battle between the Outer Beings and
    their minions, and the massed forces of law and goodness.  This part is
    truly apocalyptic, relating how the Outer Beings will be freed from their
    prisons by "the walking lizards and their servants", and how they will
    subsequently "ravage the world from end to end, molding it into their own
    blasphemous image."
    
    Liber IV discusses civilization's only hope for salvation.  In cryptic
    language, Galfridus exhorts the reader to seek out lost lore, and to learn
    as much as possible about the horrors facing Mystara.  Embedded in the text
    of this section itself are two spells - identify servitor (3rd level) and
    nullify Outer power (4th level).  These spells cannot be discovered unless
    the reader is actively searching the text for something interesting, and he
    or she makes a successful half Intelligence check.
    
    DM Notes:  The Precepts are intended to make the PCs aware of the Outer
    Beings, and to provide them, if they are resourceful, with two spells to aid
    them in identifying and combating the various servants of these evil
    entities.  There are, in fact, 18 copies in existence around the Known
    World, so it would not be improbable that the PCs might come across a
    mysterious black ledger during their travels...
    
    

- --
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:13:15 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

> I agree. I mean, not every single HW Ostlander is a pirate. Many (like
the pirates' families) still live in their villages, following their
traditional ways. After all, there are Makai living among the Pirates too,
and they are preserves as they were originally.


Sorry, but I've got the impression that only pirates were transferred.
"Normal"
ostlanders would have been absolutely needless as Korotiku desired to build
up a  society of pirates. OTOH the Makai have lived on these island since
the Neathar had been transferred. They were not included into the project.



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mystara-digest      Saturday, December 5 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 736



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All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Underocean Timeline AC 1014 and 1015
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - Looking for a picture + a question about weapon skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - Looking for a picture + a question about weapon skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:01:52 -0600
From: anowack@juno.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Underocean Timeline AC 1014 and 1015

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:48:57 +0100 (CET)
=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:
>On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Aaron E Nowack wrote:
>Great stuff Aaron!
>But why does it seem like everything is over by the end of the year..? 
>:(

The current troubles have ended, but 1016 will set things up for a new
sequence of events.  Underocean patrols continue to follow the fleeing
devilfish, coming closer and closer to Aquas... :)


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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:26:22 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

> 
> A while someone complained about the use of acronyms in Mystara (e.g.
NACE)
> because it sounded too modern.
> Last week it occurred to me that acronyms were used also in Rome, about
> 2000 years ago:
> SPQR (Senatus PopulusQue Romanus) is just an example, the inscription
> I.N.R.I. on Jesus' cross is another one.
> Other examples can be found also in Middle Age catholic churches.
>
Right; ancient and medieval cultures are stuffed with acronyms, but I doubt
that people used them in their spoken language as we do today: one
requisite to the acronym to be identified with the word in everyday
speaking is an acceptable level of literacy or, lacking this, a strong
influence of audiovisual mass media which implement its use. I think that
Mystara is different from RW in lacking both factors: NACE could be written
and pronounced by a minority, thus becoming a "slang word" in the jargon of
diplomats, military officers and politics-wise scholars, but it would take
something else (like a very active and thorough propaganda) to implement it
as the usual term for the whole of the population. Years of public speeches
and herald proclaims could bring it about, but it would take longer than
the two years of NACE's life.


Andrés
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:56:52 EST
From: Magesmiley@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Looking for a picture + a question about weapon skills

In a message dated 12/4/98 5:19:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kyrios@rocketmail.com writes:

<< My DM says that for such weapons we have to specify the skill
 dagger (close compbat) or dagger (throw), bastard sword (1 hand)
 or bastard sword (2 hands)... and if we don't take all the skills
 for a weapon, we can use it in the other ways but as a 'similar
 weapon'... in my opinion a dagger is a basic weapon (it's the
 basic weapon for wizards)... and it's a pity that a 1st level
 wizard can't use his dagger as easy in close combat and to throw
 ... cos he only has 1 weapon skill and of course he still can't
 casts several spells... >>

The way I understood things hand held weapons easily thrown were considered
one mastery choice. The bastard sword was an special case which required two
choices for the two different fighting styles (I know I read the latter
somewhere - can't recall offhand though).

- -Mage
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:58:08 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

In a message dated 1998-12-02 07:54:00 Eastern Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no
writes:

> Whats the need of destroying the place? There is no reason why the
>  Ostlanders couldnt be modernized instead. IMO, we are starting to get too
>  many cultures who're destroyed by the Immortals. Besides, Scandinavia was
>  really cool in the middle ages too :)

Actually, the "lost colony" idea seems to work best -- perhaps Odin inspires
the more traditional minded among the Ostlanders to set out by ship to found 
a new colony.  They are lost at sea and wind up in the Hollow World, where
they are preserved.  Meanwhile, those who stayed behind continue to
modernize as time goes by.
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:54:54 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills

>> wishes? Give and take is always nice -- after all the role of the DM is
>to
>> entertain his/her players and not to be a tyrant. :o)
>> 
>It isn't?
> Boy, now I'm disillusioned. 8-)~


Hey, and what about me? I insist on being a tyrant in my PBEM! :)

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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 14:28:57 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Looking for a picture + a question about weapon skills

At 04.55 04/12/98 -0800, you wrote:

>I'm playing a Gnome (male) and I'm looking for a picture to
>illustrate him unfortunately, it's very hard to find such pictures
>on the net... I've found a lot of fantasy pictures of Humans, Elves,
>Dwarves, but not any for Gnomes... so if you have such pictures,
>please let me know !   thanks a lot !
>

I used to play a gnome in a FR campaign a few years ago and one of the
players drew a humorous picture of each PC. You can find my gnome at:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560/david.jpg


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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:05:50 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

Kaldmont="Cold month"

Jacob Boersma wrote:

> At 11:07 AM 12/2/98 CET, you wrote:
> >I always wondered what the "ethymology" of the Thyatian names for the
> >months could be.
> >
> >Okay, -mont means month (that's the easy part). But what about the rest?
> >
> >Nuwmont = new month, the first month of the year
> >Vatermont = water month, i.e. rainy month
> >Thaumont = ?
>
> </lurk>
> I don't know about the other ones, but Thaumont is clearly Thaw-month (as
> in the opposite of freeze), the month when the ice melts.
>
> Also, maybe Vatermont is Father-month. I don't know what the reason for
> this name would be, and your explanation with 'water' seems better. But the
> names all seem to be derived from German, and water in German is wasser,
> not vater (which means father).
> <lurk>
>
> =======================================================================
> "...if you see your enemy in the water up to his neck, you will do well
>  to push him under; but if he is only in it up to his knees, you will
>  do well to help him to the shore." - Machiavelli.
>
> Jacob Boersma
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:10:20 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

Neat ideas!  My own are below them...

Kristian Kramer wrote:

> A few thoughts on the month thing (don't flame me if I'm wrong or writing
> something stupid! :)
>
> Thau = Tau (German) = rope. Ropemonth (because the flax is ready to be used
> for making rope).

I like your reasoning on this.  I think I am inclined to go along with "thaw
month" since it occurs so soon after winter...but "Ropemonth" is a very
interesting alternative.

>
> Yarth = Yard or garden? Yardmonth or gardenmonth? (BBC2, 9:28 :-)

I wonder if the word you are using as the root is related to "Earth".  I always
figured that was the translation:  "Earthmonth"...not the planet of course, just
the dirt.

>
> Fel = fel (Dutch, which has some links to German) = fierce. Fiercemonth
> (also being hot, just like Fyrmont).

Exactly what I thought it was!  Either that of "Falling month"...cuz of the
leaves that would be falling...

>
> Eir = Eier (German) = Eggs. So Eirmont means Eggmonth or maybe 'birdmonth'?
> When birds fly south (or to wherever they go)? But then birds don't lay
> eggs, do they?

Very interesting!  Perhaps when the chicken farmers know to go collect the eggs?
Or perhaps it is "Airmonth"?

Ambyrmont="Amber month"...meaning the leaves have turned to an amber color.

>
>
> Kristian Kramer
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Herve Musseau [SMTP:herve@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 12:07 PM
> > To:   mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> > Subject:      [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
> >
> > I always wondered what the "ethymology" of the Thyatian names for the
> > months could be.
> >
> > Okay, -mont means month (that's the easy part). But what about the rest?
> >
> > Nuwmont = new month, the first month of the year
> > Vatermont = water month, i.e. rainy month
> > Thaumont = ?
> > Flaurmont = flower month, first month of the spring when the flora
> > blossoms
> > Yarthmont = ?
> > Klarmont = clear month?
> > Felmont = ?
> > Fyrmont = fire month (hot summer)
> > Ambyrmont = amber month, when leaves turn amber
> > Sviftmont = swift month?
> > Eirmont = ?
> > Kaldmont = cold month
> >
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:44:57 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [Mystara] dleggend

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 BoBoII@aol.com wrote:

> << The Page is still there alright. I tried to download the Princess Ark
>  maps, but dont worry about it, I found that they are also on DMs page.>>

> Where is DM's page BTW?

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/

Sincerely,
Håvard :)

<shameless plug>
PS: My page has a pretty extensive linksection, just use the url in my
sig, then click on "Mystara" and find your way to the links.
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:02:52 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Geoff Gander wrote:

> Scott wrote:
> 
> >Since they aren't producting the stuff anymore, is it still copyrighted and are
> >there any sites on the net where there are scanned copies of some of the old
> >stuff?
> >
> 
> A bunch of us pondered this before - since TSR isn't doing anything with
> it, why not sell it to us in shares, or make it public domain (if they're
> sure they can't make money off of it)?

Probably because they fear that the OD&D game will compete in popularity
with the AD&D game. Which is why the ditched OD&D in the first place. :(
 
> Sadly, it seems TSR/WotC has decided to hold onto the copyright, since
> there might be a chance, somewhere down the line, when they could bring
> back Mystara and make money off of it.  Makes sense from a business
> standpoint.  For now, they're sitting on it, without doing anything with it.

Yeah.

Håvard

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:02:52 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Geoff Gander wrote:

> Scott wrote:
> 
> >Since they aren't producting the stuff anymore, is it still copyrighted and are
> >there any sites on the net where there are scanned copies of some of the old
> >stuff?
> >
> 
> A bunch of us pondered this before - since TSR isn't doing anything with
> it, why not sell it to us in shares, or make it public domain (if they're
> sure they can't make money off of it)?

Probably because they fear that the OD&D game will compete in popularity
with the AD&D game. Which is why the ditched OD&D in the first place. :(
 
> Sadly, it seems TSR/WotC has decided to hold onto the copyright, since
> there might be a chance, somewhere down the line, when they could bring
> back Mystara and make money off of it.  Makes sense from a business
> standpoint.  For now, they're sitting on it, without doing anything with it.

Yeah.

Håvard

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:11:40 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

On Sat, 5 Dec 1998 Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1998-12-02 07:54:00 Eastern Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no
> writes:

> > Whats the need of destroying the place? There is no reason why the
> >  Ostlanders couldnt be modernized instead. IMO, we are starting to get too
> >  many cultures who're destroyed by the Immortals. Besides, Scandinavia was
> >  really cool in the middle ages too :)

> Actually, the "lost colony" idea seems to work best -- perhaps Odin inspires
> the more traditional minded among the Ostlanders to set out by ship to found 
> a new colony.  They are lost at sea and wind up in the Hollow World, where
> they are preserved.  Meanwhile, those who stayed behind continue to
> modernize as time goes by.

I think this is a really good idea. Not only do we avoid to have the
Immortals stamping in, we also get a nice Ostlander expedition, ´ala Leiv
Erikssons discovery of America/Vinland.
Come to think of it, Expeditions by sea might be easier to accomplish that
those by Air ships, because of the Antimagic field.

Håvard

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:14:23 EST
From: RocksHope@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills

The trick of course, is to set up an NPC as the Tyrant.  That way the DM can
properly tyrannize the PCs while maintaining the illusion of neutrality.
As I think Solmyr is well aware of already... :)

- -joshua
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:06:37 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

> A while someone complained about the use of acronyms in Mystara (e.g.
NACE)
> because it sounded too modern.
> Last week it occurred to me that acronyms were used also in Rome, about
> 2000 years ago:
> SPQR (Senatus PopulusQue Romanus) is just an example, the inscription
> I.N.R.I. on Jesus' cross is another one.
> Other examples can be found also in Middle Age catholic churches.
> **************
> Fabrizio Paoli	



As we can see it the Romans were very modern in many ways.

But is SPQR a true acronym, or only a abbreviation?

BTW, one word to the Middle Age: Nowadays we have the impression
that the Europeans in this time were less developed as the Romans
and that they had forgotten most of the Roman knowledge. This is 
true in many points, but there was many knowledge unknown to
the Romans. The biggest example is the engineer's knowledge  
about the construction of cathedrals.




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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:39:52 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

In a message dated 1998-12-05 13:31:08 Eastern Standard Time,
JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes:

> BTW, one word to the Middle Age: Nowadays we have the impression
>  that the Europeans in this time were less developed as the Romans
>  and that they had forgotten most of the Roman knowledge. This is 
>  true in many points, but there was many knowledge unknown to
>  the Romans. The biggest example is the engineer's knowledge  
>  about the construction of cathedrals.

Another point is how much did the medieval Europeans actually forget,
and how much did they simply no longer have the resources to do?  For
example, the elaborate systems of roads and aqueducts that the Romans
built could only be done because they had complete control over the areas
through which these things were constructed.  Once their empire collapsed,
the ability to build these things was lost -- not because they forgot how to
do it, but because what had once been a single empire was now split up
into numerous smaller domains, most of which did not take kindly to the
idea of foreigners coming in and building things on their land that might be
used against them.

And I do see a difference between acronyms and such abbreviations as
"SPQR".  Acronyms can usually be pronounced and actually replace the
words that they represent in conversation.  On the other hand, "SPQR"
has no obious pronunciation, but even illiterate Romans probably came
to recognize that set of symbols and what it represented.
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:24:02 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

     
> 
> Another point is how much did the medieval Europeans actually forget,
> and how much did they simply no longer have the resources to do? 
>
Well, and there are a lot of ways in which the midieval era, and even the
dark ages, represented not a decline relative to the classical world, but
an advance over it.

	While the early midievals suffer by comparison to the classical-era Romans
and Greeks in liturature, theatre, and other artistic endevours, they
advanced technically. Not only do you have the Sturup, but the horse and ox
collar and the heavy plow (and other improved agricultural techniques). And
while the water wheel was known to the Romans, it was more widely employed
in post-Roman Europe. The Roman world couldn't produce its own Silk (except
for some rather crappy stuff found on one island in the Aegean), and had to
import all of it from China. In the Dark ages the first Silkworks were set
up in the Balkans.

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:17:16 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

>Sorry, but I've got the impression that only pirates were transferred.

Well, sorry, but I've got a different impression :)

>"Normal"
>ostlanders would have been absolutely needless as Korotiku desired to build
>up a  society of pirates. OTOH the Makai have lived on these island since
>
However, the HW set specifically states that "whole villages" were transferred. Unless those villages were populated solely by men, I assume their non-pirating wives and children were also transferred along (else how the Ostlander pirates were going to be preserved? :)
Furthermore, since sea raiding is the single defining characteristic of traditional Ostlanders, they can already be considered well-preserved (geez, I'm getting mental images of Ostlanders being pickled, salted, and preserved :) The HW Ostlanders are traditional Viking-type raiders. I was just saying that not every single one of them is a raider - they've got to have some women staying home and helping create more raiders :) And it can be safely assumed that this society has kept its traditions (I mean, *all* "Merry Pirates" don't have to be happy-go-lucky Carribean types). Taken all together, I think the traditional, sea-raiding Ostlander society is fairly well-represented in the HW (and heck, if that's not enough, you've also got the Antalians, who are very close to that cultural type too).

On another note, I've been looking at the HW map and noticed that there is a city named Puerto Morillos in the Merry Pirate isles. Puerto Morillos also happens to be the capital of Narvaez in the SC. I'm wondering if there is a connection. Perhaps Puerto Morillos in SC was originally a Guardianos pirate base, and when Narvaez moved in, Korotiku decided to transfer these pirates into HW. The Guardianos would certainly fit the Carribean feel of the Merry Pirates.

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:09:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

> Probably because they fear that the OD&D game will compete in popularity
> with the AD&D game. Which is why the ditched OD&D in the first place. :(

While I agree with your conclusion as to why TSR won't release the
products to the open market, I disagree with the latter point.  If it was
making money, they would keep it going.  That's how companies work
generally.  It's hard for us to admit, Haavard, but OD&D probably just
wasn't making the profit TSR needed to sustain it.

- -Mischa

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mystara-digest       Monday, December 7 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 737



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
[MYSTARA] - OD&D Demihuman Level Limits
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
[MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - Looking for a picture + a question about weapon skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
[MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon
Re: [MYSTARA] - etymology of Thyatian months 
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
[MYSTARA] - Misc- LETA Website, Check it out.
Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
RE: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:09:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

> Probably because they fear that the OD&D game will compete in popularity
> with the AD&D game. Which is why the ditched OD&D in the first place. :(

While I agree with your conclusion as to why TSR won't release the
products to the open market, I disagree with the latter point.  If it was
making money, they would keep it going.  That's how companies work
generally.  It's hard for us to admit, Haavard, but OD&D probably just
wasn't making the profit TSR needed to sustain it.

- -Mischa

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Prize -  satirist Tom Lehrer

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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:35:37 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - OD&D Demihuman Level Limits

IMC OD&D demihumans are allowed to gain higher level limits to allow their
players to feel like they are accomplishing character growth along with their
human counterparts.  The limits IMC are Dwarves 18, Elves 15 and Halflings 12.
Each attack rank is considered a level and they may not improve fighting
ability beyond their maximum level.  Instead of allowing demihumans basic
weapon skill with all weapons (RC p75), they recieve 3 weapon skills at 1st
level and additional skills at 3, 6, 9, 11 and 15th level and an additional
skill every 200,000XP beyond their maximum level.  To offset their better
fighting ability, elves use the spell progression table for clerics (but they
may still only cast magic-user spells).  All other stats (saving throws, hit
points, etc.) remain unchanged from the normal system.

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:35:23 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

     
> making money, they would keep it going.  That's how companies work
> generally.  It's hard for us to admit, Haavard, but OD&D probably just
> wasn't making the profit TSR needed to sustain it.
> 
I still think that may have been a mistake on their part (yah, but wadda I
know).
	Why do I say that? Well, from personal experience, it is a lot easier to
get someone interested in RPGs if I hand them a slim volume, part of a
boxed set that sells for all of $20, and say "here, this is all you need to
play the game" than it is to hand them a stack of 20 bound books (total
cost circa $800) and say "this is AD&D".
	Whatever other merits it may have had, or lacked (and it *did* have a lot
of merits), the old D&D product was a great "gateway" into the TSR line as
a whole (I started with the old "blue book" [the one with the dragon on the
cover] D&D set).
	Oh, and don't get me wrong; you can get people to start playing AD&D. But
I've also seen a lot of folks scared off of the system by its sheer size.
They see stacks and stacks of books and think that all of it is required.
And some of 'em aren't convinced when they're told that the only thing
they'll "need" is the PH (and even then no need to read it all right away);
the stacks and stacks still intimidate 'em.

		-- Porphy, babbling pointlessly once again.
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 20:35:23 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

     
> making money, they would keep it going.  That's how companies work
> generally.  It's hard for us to admit, Haavard, but OD&D probably just
> wasn't making the profit TSR needed to sustain it.
> 
I still think that may have been a mistake on their part (yah, but wadda I
know).
	Why do I say that? Well, from personal experience, it is a lot easier to
get someone interested in RPGs if I hand them a slim volume, part of a
boxed set that sells for all of $20, and say "here, this is all you need to
play the game" than it is to hand them a stack of 20 bound books (total
cost circa $800) and say "this is AD&D".
	Whatever other merits it may have had, or lacked (and it *did* have a lot
of merits), the old D&D product was a great "gateway" into the TSR line as
a whole (I started with the old "blue book" [the one with the dragon on the
cover] D&D set).
	Oh, and don't get me wrong; you can get people to start playing AD&D. But
I've also seen a lot of folks scared off of the system by its sheer size.
They see stacks and stacks of books and think that all of it is required.
And some of 'em aren't convinced when they're told that the only thing
they'll "need" is the PH (and even then no need to read it all right away);
the stacks and stacks still intimidate 'em.

		-- Porphy, babbling pointlessly once again.
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Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:44:15 -0600
From: Tim <galwylin@airnet.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1998-12-02 07:54:00 Eastern Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no
> writes:
> 
> > Whats the need of destroying the place? There is no reason why the
> >  Ostlanders couldnt be modernized instead. IMO, we are starting to get too
> >  many cultures who're destroyed by the Immortals. Besides, Scandinavia was
> >  really cool in the middle ages too :)
> 
> Actually, the "lost colony" idea seems to work best -- perhaps Odin inspires
> the more traditional minded among the Ostlanders to set out by ship to found
> a new colony.  They are lost at sea and wind up in the Hollow World, where
> they are preserved.  Meanwhile, those who stayed behind continue to
> modernize as time goes by.

That sounds like the best way to go.  I dislike the heavy-handed
approach.  That would cause a backlash of apathy to life as no one knows
when the Immortals aren't going to destroy people for no reason (as it
must look).  And even changing what those left remember ends up
rewriting history (as we have the history of Mystara of Nithia but not
the history as Mystarans believe it).  Only have to make certain woman
are on the voyage.  That would spend up the modernization of the area. 
One thing I've always wondered is why the Immortals haven't considered
that removing the a group of people isn't the very thing that causes the
change in the culture?  A self fulfilling prophesy, as it were.

On another note, what about some info of Scandinavia in the Middle
Ages?  Or some good books to recommend.  Most of my education only
touched on them when they impacted England and France.

- -- 
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:51:00 -0800
From: chris_d_p@juno.com (Christopher D Pasarilla)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

On Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:09:28 -0500 (EST) Mischa E Gelman
<megst19+@pitt.edu> writes:
>> Probably because they fear that the OD&D game will compete in 
>popularity
>> with the AD&D game. Which is why the ditched OD&D in the first 
>place. :(

Hi!  I'm still on the list.  I just haven't been following as closely to
the other two lists I'm on.  Anyway, pertaining to the above statement, I
always thought about this.  My conclusion is the same as yours.   Let me
see if I can organize a little chronology flashback:

TSR came out with D&D, a role playing game intended for adults (kids
could play if they wanted to try).  It started to rise in popularity. 
Many people played it, and the company even went as far as to create
lands where adventures would take place (HW, Mystara, Thunder Rift[?]-can
someone tell about this one?).  Eventually, as time went on, people began
thinking about aspects of the game that seemed vague and needed more
explanation.  TSR looked at these thoughts and decided to work them out. 
The different aspects were very important to roleplaying the game, but
they weren't necessarily NEEDED to play the game.  So, what they did,
they created AD&D, a version of D&D (I'm not going to call it OD&D--I'm
not used to this) that inhabited the original rules plus the aspects of
the game that people put in the spotlight.  After many years of play, it
turned out that many people played AD&D more than D&D because it solved
questions that they had about the format and make-up of D&D.  TSR looked
at this and decided that it would probably be better to stick with AD&D
because it was more detailed and brought up the least number of
questions.  So, they ALMOST abandoned D&D, sticking with the more
detailed game.  They didn't totally drop D&D, however, because there were
still people who played the game without caring about the more in-detail
aspects.  They were happier playing in the wondrousness of the settings
and of playing with just the basics; it wasn't too mind-boggling.  So,
some D&D things continued to be made, Mystara for example, but AD&D
received the most attention because of its increasing popularity and
player "membership".

Nice little story.  Anyway, that is my take on this situation.  I really
don't have any problem with the decision made.  I started out with D&D,
moving on to HW.  Then I started playing AD&D with my friend.  We played
the two games simultaneously (he the DM for AD&D and me the DM for (DM). 
As we played, I found AD&D to be much better and more explanatory of
certain aspects of the game.  Plus, I really liked some of the settings
that they came out with.  This is my take and my opinion on the whole
situation.

					Shelz

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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:12:23 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills

>The trick of course, is to set up an NPC as the Tyrant.  That way the DM can
>properly tyrannize the PCs while maintaining the illusion of neutrality.
>As I think Solmyr is well aware of already... :)
>
Er, yeah, that's what I meant... Hehe, I'm not a tyrant... It's all the Master's fault, yeah, blame him!

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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:27:45 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Looking for a picture + a question about weapon skills

kyrios@rocketmail.com (Pierre-Yves) syas...

<<My DM says that for such weapons we have to specify the skill
dagger (close compbat) or dagger (throw), bastard sword (1 hand)
or bastard sword (2 hands)... and if we don't take all the skills
for a weapon, we can use it in the other ways but as a 'similar
weapon'... in my opinion a dagger is a basic weapon (it's the
basic weapon for wizards)... and it's a pity that a 1st level
wizard can't use his dagger as easy in close combat and to throw
... cos he only has 1 weapon skill and of course he still can't
casts several spells...>>

This problem just came up in my campaign.  A player told me her character (a
fighter) was specialized with the bastard sword 2-handed style and proficient
with it 1-handed (or vice versa).  I knew for the first few weeks I wasn't
going to be able to keep straight which style she was specialized in and which
she was merely proficient in, so I ruled that she was specialized in both
uses.  My reasoning: those things are called WEAPON Proficiencies, not
FIGHTING-STYLE Proficiencies.  My .02 worth...
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:49:15 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

In a message dated 12/5/98 9:54:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

<< 	Why do I say that? Well, from personal experience, it is a lot easier to
 get someone interested in RPGs if I hand them a slim volume, part of a
 boxed set that sells for all of $20, and say "here, this is all you need to
 play the game" than it is to hand them a stack of 20 bound books (total
 cost circa $800) and say "this is AD&D".
  >>

On the flip-side of this coin, the folks at TSR may have thought that if they
could get the OD&D group to switch to AD&D, these folks would probably buy (at
least) a DMG, PHB, MM, and maybe the Karameikos boxed set...that's $100 U.S.
right there...    $$$  Cha-CHING!!!  $$$
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:59:15 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

	The thread on the etymologies of the Thyatian months is/was fascinating.
Since no one else has taken it to the next level, I guess I'll do it myself.

	How about the names of the days of the month?  Soladain and Lunadain sure
sound like Sunday and Monday to me, but I notice that Lunadain (Monday) is the
first day of the week.  What gives here?
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:03:04 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon

I'm not sure if this has been discussed previously (before I joined the list
in July), but how do you all handle the Night of the Red Moon (the event in
Glantri where mages affected by the moon can go a little bit crazy)?  Is this
a world-wide event or limited to Glantri (and thus perhaps somehow related to
that little Nucleus of the Spheres thingee)?

Thanks in advance....
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 08:28:41 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - etymology of Thyatian months 

>       The thread on the etymologies of the Thyatian months is/was 
fascinating.
>Since no one else has taken it to the next level, I guess I'll do it 
myself.

Well, I had really enjoyed Jenni's idea about the elemental months, and 
had asked what anyone else thought about the origins of those 
associations and what they mean to Mystarans--for example, are there 
Beltane-like fire celebrations in Fyrmont?...

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:00:39 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

At 10.59 06/12/98 EST, Demmero@aol.com wrote:

>	How about the names of the days of the month?  Soladain and Lunadain sure
>sound like Sunday and Monday to me, but I notice that Lunadain (Monday) is
the
>first day of the week.  What gives here?

About Lunadain.
In Italian Monday is "Lunedi'" (and "Lundi" in French BTW).
The italian word for "moon" is "luna", while "di'" is an archaic form that
means "day".
Thus "lunedi'" = moon day = monday.
OTOH on Mystara the visible moon is not named Moon, but Matera (or, was it
Patera?), so Lunadain isn't probably linked to the moon, so Luna doesn't
mean moon.

BTW: what's the problem in having Lunadain as the first day of the week,
isn't it the same also in the real world?

About Soladain.
The root "sol-" means sun in latin languages, so you're correct: soladain =
sunday.

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:05:17 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

At 13.39 05/12/98 EST, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:
>And I do see a difference between acronyms and such abbreviations as
>"SPQR".  Acronyms can usually be pronounced and actually replace the
>words that they represent in conversation.  On the other hand, "SPQR"
>has no obious pronunciation, but even illiterate Romans probably came
>to recognize that set of symbols and what it represented.

Yep. Good point.
SPQR wasn't probably pronounced, but it was certainly written on standards,
engraved on official stuff...

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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:34:28 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

In a message dated 12/6/98 12:22:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< BTW: what's the problem in having Lunadain as the first day of the week,
 isn't it the same also in the real world?
  >>

Well, I look at my calendar and see that the months run from January to
December, and that the days go from Sunday through Saturday.  If TSR followed
the months faithfully (i.e., January = Nuwmont), why isn't Sunday the first
day of the week?  Or perhaps Monday is the first day of the week in some
European countries??  Just wondering...
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:10:52 -0800
From: "Jesse LaBranche" <vanquer@email.msn.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Misc- LETA Website, Check it out.

Hello All,

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We are currently conducting a contest where you can win $30 worth of credit
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	Take a look at the links section where we will be adding 6 k. worth of
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:00:51 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

In a message dated 12/6/98 1:53:59 PM, you wrote:

<<Monday is the first day of the week in some
European countries??>>

Speaking for myself and millions of others, we tend to view the week (that is,
the Western Industrial Workweek) as beginning on Monday and ending on Sunday,
which has led to the term "Weekend." I would guess that in a more agrarian
past, Sunday, or the Sabbath, might have been seen as the start of the week
and that calander-printing is a throwback to those more Arcadian days. I have
also seen many calenders that have Monday furthest to the right, with a
divided square counting for both Sunday and Saturday on the far right.

Where are you writing from, by the way?

BoBoII

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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:52:46 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

In a message dated 12/6/98 6:19:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, BoBoII@aol.com
writes:

<< Where are you writing from, by the way? >>


Boston, Massachusetts.

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:24:58 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

In Holland the first day of the week is Sunday, but I have a calendar from
Japan and on this one the first day of the week is monday...

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:34 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
> 
> In a message dated 12/6/98 12:22:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brizio@lunet.it
> writes:
> 
> << BTW: what's the problem in having Lunadain as the first day of the
> week,
>  isn't it the same also in the real world?
>   >>
> 
> Well, I look at my calendar and see that the months run from January to
> December, and that the days go from Sunday through Saturday.  If TSR
> followed
> the months faithfully (i.e., January = Nuwmont), why isn't Sunday the
> first
> day of the week?  Or perhaps Monday is the first day of the week in some
> European countries??  Just wondering...
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The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
RE: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
[MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Outer Being Lore - The Crown of Worms]
[MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: A New Monster for you]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
[MYSTARA] - Shahjapur
[MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font
Re: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur
Re: [MYSTARA] - A new immortal?
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
[MYSTARA] - Website Updated
[MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
Re: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:16:48 CET
From: "Herve Musseau" <herve@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

Yes, the week days, I was going to detail it too, eventually (I'm 
offline the weekend, that's all). And I did post about the month names 
in Alphatian, and was waiting to see reactions, and was hesitating to 
continue with either weekdays in Thyatians or months in other languages 
(Hin's Thyatian/Lalor, Rockhome dwarf...). So, you decided for me it 
seems.

Okay first, a quick note in RW: Week days seem to be named after planets 
plus the moon and the sun in some languages, though I have a hard time 
telling what the roots are in English. Monday = Moon day (with a Luna 
root in Latine-based tongues instead: lundi in French, lunes in 
Spanish), Tuesday = Mars day (mardi in French, martes in Spanish), 
Wednesday = Mercury day (mercredi in French, miércoles in Spanish), 
Thursday = Jupiter day (Jeudi in French, jueves in Spanish), Friday = 
Venus day (Vendredi in French, viernes), Saturday = Saturn day (samedi 
in French, sabado in Spanish), Sunday = Sun day (dimanche in French, 
domingo in Spanish). In some cases the names in Latine tongues seem to 
come from the Bible though, like sabado which probably comes from 
Sabbat, while I don't know the etymology of dimanche and domingo. Note 
that the planets used are those that are easily spotted from the Earth 
without astronomical instruments. German has Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch, 
Donnerstag, Freitag, Samstag, Sonntag, which is very close to English 
words (except for Mittwoch which means half week, the rest has exactly 
the same pattern). Freitag/Friday is a free day (why?). For some reason 
Donnerstag/Thursday makes me think to thunder day (well, not without a 
reason, Donner does mean thunder). Anyone good at etymology (or with a 
good book)?

If we try to use the planet model to Thyatian names, it doesn't work too 
well except for the sun and the moon (like in English). So I guess 
whoever invented those names at TSR used English as a basis.
Although Nytdain makes me think to Nyx day, is a planet named after Her?

Otherwise, I have a hard time seeing where those names might come from. 
Anywone? (below the list as a reminder)

Lunadain         1 NM      8 FQ      15 FM     22 LQ
Gromdain         2         9         16        23
Tserdain         3         10        17        24
Moldain          4         11        18        25
Nytdain          5         12        19        26
Loshdain         6         13        20        27
Soladain         7         14        21        28

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:14:28 -0800
From: Frank <fwils@utrecht.kvk.nl>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

Hi!

I'm from Holland and we have maandag, dinsdag, woensdag, donderdag,
vrijdag, zaterdag en zondag. I don't know the etymology of all, but I'll
try (the same etymology is for German and English I think):

The etymology dates back to the time of the old Germanic Anglo-saxon
tribes, which had a pantheon very close to the Norse...

Maandag: Day of the moon
Dinsdag: ????
Woensdag: Day of Wodan (the Germanic version of Odin)
Donderdag: Day of Donar ( the Germanic version of Thor)
Vrijdag: Day of Frey (same god...)
Zaterdag: Day of the satyrs, a day to feast
Zondag: Day of the sun

Hope this helps!

Frank
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:15:05 -0800
From: Frank <fwils@utrecht.kvk.nl>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

Kristian Kramer wrote:
> 
> In Holland the first day of the week is Sunday, but I have a calendar from
> Japan and on this one the first day of the week is monday...
> 

I'm from Holland too, and for me, the week starts on monday...

Frank
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:26:51 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

As far as I know, the first day of the week is Sunday, but you are, of
course, free to think otherwise. It's a free world ;-)

Kristian Kramer
http://www.xanthus.demon.nl

"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't..."

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Monday, December 07, 1998 10:15 PM
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> 
> Kristian Kramer wrote:
> > 
> > In Holland the first day of the week is Sunday, but I have a calendar
> from
> > Japan and on this one the first day of the week is monday...
> > 
> 
> I'm from Holland too, and for me, the week starts on monday...
> 
> Frank
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:01:23 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

Herve wrote:

>without astronomical instruments. German has Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch, 
>Donnerstag, Freitag, Samstag, Sonntag, which is very close to English 
>words (except for Mittwoch which means half week, the rest has exactly 
>the same pattern). Freitag/Friday is a free day (why?). For some reason 
>Donnerstag/Thursday makes me think to thunder day (well, not without a 
>reason, Donner does mean thunder). Anyone good at etymology (or with a 
>good book)?

I remember reading somewhere that Thursday and Friday in English
supposedly came from the Norse influence - such that Thursday is Thor's
Day (or Thunder day - Donnerstag), and Friday was Frey's Day.  Don't know
if this is true, but it's interesting....

Geoff

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:02:54 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Outer Being Lore - The Crown of Worms]

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    From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff")
    To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'")
    Subject: Outer Being Lore - The Crown of Worms
    Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:32:02 -0500 

    
    The Crown of Worms
    
    "And he came unto lost Yath-Khe in the wilds, and spake not of what he saw,
    lest the Evil Ones that lived therein steal away his soul.  Ever after he
    gibbered of Yurrgh-Thal, Lord of the Worm That Gnaws, and looked not into
    the darkest caverns, lest he see the ever-eating Pestilence."
    
    --James Addelston, "Midnight Dreams and Other Miscellany", published AC 1003
    in Selenica by J.P. Ironfoot & Sons
    
    The Crown of Worms is a truly malevolent magical item.  Though not an
    artifact, its power and history are enough to have made it the desire of
    numerous quests of power.  In appearance it looks like a dull grey iron
    crown, lacking any form of colour or ornamentation.  What makes this item
    truly disgusting to the beholder is the fact that, above the iron headband,
    the remainder of the Crown's body appears to be made of petrified maggots
    and worms, all seemingly frozen in writhing poses.  The air immediately
    surrounding the Crown also reeks of decay, forcing anyone within 20 feet of
    this item to Save vs. Poison or be violently ill for 2 rounds.
    
    The Crown is a gift of the Outer Being known as Yurrgh-Thal, otherwise known
    as the Lord of the Worm That Gnaws.  His domain is that of decay in all its
    forms, both physical and moral.  He created the Crown as a means of making
    his chosen champion more powerful, as well as serving his own aims of
    destroying healthy life wherever it exists.  The first known wearer was a
    barbarian warlord named Thramis, who found it amidst the ruins of the great
    Carnifex city of Yath-Khe, in what is now the Izondian Desert.  A simple
    person, Thramis fell easily under the influence of the Crown, and soon
    raised a horde of undead that terrorized northern Davania for over a
    century, laying waste to many villages and towns.  It was only due to the
    massed might of the Milenian Empire that Thramis was brought low, though the
    Crown was lost.
    
    When worn, the Crown radiates a sickly greenish glow, and the worms and
    maggots comprising much of its bulk begin to slowly writhe and crawl.  The
    wearer, when donning the Crown, must make a Save vs. Spells at -5, or
    immediately fall under the Crown's power.  Making this save allows the
    wearer to control the Crown's abilities, but this contest of wills must be
    made each time the Crown is worn.  If the wearer fails the save, the Crown
    takes control of the wearer's body, and converts it for its own purposes.
    
    The conversion is horrible to behold, and takes only one turn of game time.
    The wearer's skin turns a greenish-grey colour, and almost immediately
    begins to emit a foul odour, reminiscent of decay.  Additionally, some of
    the worms comprising the Crown burrow into the wearer's skin - the wounds
    never healing as long as the Crown is worn - and reproduce inside.  Within
    one week, the possessed wearer's body is filled with worms and maggots, so
    many that several drop off of his or her person each day.  These creatures
    are unusually large for their species, being roughly six inches long, and a
    pinkish grey in colour.  These foul creatures do not harm the wearer, though
    they do serve a more malign purpose.  Once this process is complete, the
    possessed wearer's Charisma is reduced to one-third its former value,
    rounding down.  If a wearer succeeds his or her save, the conversion does
    not happen.  Needless to say, in both cases, the alignment of the wearer
    becomes chaotic once the Crown is worn.
    
    Whether the wearer is possessed or not, several of the Crown's powers are
    available.  The wearer may control undead as though he or she was an undead
    liege of equivalent level, equating Hit Dice with level; and he or she can
    also detect the presence of undead within a five mile radius.  Thus, a 15th
    level individual who wears the Crown could control undead as powerful as
    lesser vampires.  Another gift of the Crown is a paralyzing gaze - anyone
    looking into the wearer's eyes must make a Save vs. Paralysis at -4 or be
    paralyzed with fear for 1d6 rounds.  Wearers of the Crown can also summon,
    once per day, a Lesser Servitor of Yurrgh-Thal, who will obey the wearer's
    commands for 1d6 hours before returning to its own plane.  Finally, the
    wearer can also cast shield, curse, speak with the dead, and animate dead up
    to ten times per day.
    
    Wearers who are possessed by the Crown gain another power, due to the
    crawling horrors that inhabit their bodies.  When in combat, a possessed
    wearer may spew worms at an opponent instead of attacking normally.  A
    normal attack roll is made, and if the opponent is hit, they are covered
    with writhing, biting maggots.  The victim then takes 1d6 points of damage
    each round, unless they try to brush the maggots off.  This action takes
    three rounds, during which the victim still suffers damage.  Should a victim
    die from this attack, the maggots will burrow into the body, and it
    immediately animates as a zombie, under the control of the wearer.  If the
    wearer already controls the maximum amount of undead he or she can, then the
    zombie wanders aimlessly.
    
    If someone is possessed by the Crown, or simply wearing it, there is only
    one way to remove the Crown from them.  If a remove curse spell is cast by a
    lawful cleric of at least 15th level, the Crown returns to its stony state
    for 1d4 rounds, during which it may be removed safely.  A raise dead fully
    spell may also be cast by any cleric of 15th level or greater, to the same
    effect.  Finally, the magic user spell nullify Outer power may be cast on
    the Crown, in which case it becomes dormant for 1d2 days.  Unfortunately,
    the Crown may not be destroyed by any mortal means, not even by a wish.  If
    the Crown is removed from a possessed wearer, his or her skin colour returns
    to normal in 1d6 hours, and the foul odour dissipates almost immediately.
    The worms and maggots inhabiting the wearer's body also vacate their host,
    leaving through the wounds they inflicted on the wearer's body.  Those
    wounds heal normally.
    
    
    

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:03:29 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: A New Monster for you]

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    To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'")
    Subject: A New Monster for you
    Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:37:05 -0500 

    
    Lesser Servitor of Yurrgh-Thal
    
    Armour Class:  1
    Hit Dice:  6** (L)
    Move:  90' (30')
    Attacks:  2 punches or 1 whip or 1 spew
    Damage:  2d6/2d6 or 1d6+2 or special
    No. Appearing:  1 (1d2)
    Save As:  C6
    Morale:  11
    Treasure Type:  None
    Intelligence:  13
    Alignment:  Chaotic
    XP Value:  725
    
    Lesser Servitors of Yurrgh-Thal are horrible beings.  Created by their foul
    master, the Outer Being known as Yurrgh-Thal, Lord of the Worm That Gnaws,
    they populate many dimensions existing outside the Prime.  Never very
    numerous, the lesser servitors are physically more than a match for most
    creatures their size (8' tall).
    
    In appearance they resemble burly humanoid figures, except that their bodies
    are composed almost entirely of writhing worms and maggots.  No facial
    features are apparent, but they do "see", and they are able to speak, though
    their voices do not sound like those of any "normal" creature.  Also, an
    unpleasant smell, not unlike that of rotting flesh, always accompanies them.
    Though not deadly, this smell does force anyone within 15 feet of a lesser
    servitor to make a Save vs. Poison or suffer a -1 penalty to all attack
    rolls and skill checks, due to nausea.  Those that make the save are not
    required to make another for a period of 24 hours.
    Due to this odour, and the constant squelching sound when they move, lesser
    servitors cannot surprise anyone.
    
    In combat, the lesser servitor is a deadly foe.  Possessing great strength,
    they are able to deliver two powerful punches at one opponent.  In addition
    to this, they can whip an opponent by extending one of the slithering worms
    comprising their bodies, and they may spew at an opponent.  Once each round,
    a lesser servitor may spew a stream of maggots at a foe, which, if it hits,
    does 1d4 damage per round.  The victim will suffer this damage each round,
    unless he or she spends three rounds brushing the maggots off.  There is no
    limit to the amount of times a lesser servitor may do this.
    
    As with other servants of the Outer Beings, lesser servitors of Yurrgh-Thal
    are vulnerable to those spells designed to combat such creatures.  They are
    also affected by evilbane essence, taking 1d6 damage if they come into
    contact with it.
    
    
    

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:11:52 -0500
From: Andrew Toth <beyowulf@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

At 12:14 PM 12/7/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I'm from Holland and we have maandag, dinsdag, woensdag, donderdag,
>vrijdag, zaterdag en zondag. I don't know the etymology of all, but I'll
>try (the same etymology is for German and English I think):
>
>The etymology dates back to the time of the old Germanic Anglo-saxon
>tribes, which had a pantheon very close to the Norse...
>
>Maandag: Day of the moon
>Dinsdag: ????

And I know Tuesday is named after the Norse god Tues(sp?)

>Woensdag: Day of Wodan (the Germanic version of Odin)
>Donderdag: Day of Donar ( the Germanic version of Thor)
>Vrijdag: Day of Frey (same god...)
>Zaterdag: Day of the satyrs, a day to feast

Think its more like Saturnday, after the Roman god Saturn.

>Zondag: Day of the sun
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Frank
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:31:05 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

In a message dated 98-12-07 06:04:06 EST, you write:

<< Freitag/Friday is a free day (why?) >>

Is this Freya's day?
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:27:08 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

Freitag/Friday is a free day (why?). For some reason
>Donnerstag/Thursday makes me think to thunder day (well, not without a
>reason, Donner does mean thunder). 

Friday is Frigg's day, and Thursday is Thor's day, AFAIK.

Jenn



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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:07:45 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur

Does anybody have a map of Shahjapur (in HW) that they could send me? I really need it. Even a rough, hand-drawn map would do.

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 07:18:07 +1100
From: stan <shawn@leme.anu.edu.au>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font

A little while back a hunt was on for the Feinen Bold gazetter font,
but there seemed to be no resolution even though a site which had the
font was found.  As a resolution to this earlier problem I was able to
recieve a reply from the website with reference to the pricing of the
font - and after picking myself up off the floor, after seeing the
price, I thought I'd send the message on to this list.

>I assume you want the font for use in Windows 3.1/95/98/NT. (If not, please
>advise).
>The price for Feinen Bold alone is US$125.
>
>The price for the family (light, regular, bold, inline) is US$265.
>
>We can email the font to you after receipt of payment (visa/mastercard).

stan
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:15:28 EST
From: RocksHope@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur

*SCREAMS AND RUNS IN FEAR*
solmyr's converting all of mystara?? :)

- -joshua
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:27:52 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A new immortal?

IIRC, they were referred to as the 'lost gods'...which I thought was kind of
cool, and actually fits in well with the Milenians being on the downward
spiral...

Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Tim wrote:
>
> > Check in the next section after the main Immortals are explained.  I
> > believe Bemarris was Aries.  Why they changed the name of the Greek gods
> > and not the Norse ones is another mystery :)
>
> One reason could be that the module that these Greek Immortals were
> introduced in (Immortal Storm?) is increadibly silly. The Immortals are
> not the Greek Gods, but impostors taking the names of these. Implying that
> Greek Gods exist on Mystara...
>
> *shrug*
>
> Håvard
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:34:41 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

At 12.34 06/12/98 EST, you wrote:

>Well, I look at my calendar and see that the months run from January to
>December, and that the days go from Sunday through Saturday.  If TSR followed
>the months faithfully (i.e., January = Nuwmont), why isn't Sunday the first
>day of the week?  Or perhaps Monday is the first day of the week in some
>European countries??  Just wondering...

In Italy weeks start on Monday and end on Sunday, in fact Saturday&Sunday
are known as week-end. 
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:49:01 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

At 11.16 07/12/98 CET, you wrote:
>Okay first, a quick note in RW: Week days seem to be named after planets 
>plus the moon and the sun in some languages, though I have a hard time 
>telling what the roots are in English. Monday = Moon day (with a Luna 
>root in Latine-based tongues instead: lundi in French, lunes in 
>Spanish), 

Lunedi' in Italian

>Tuesday = Mars day (mardi in French, martes in Spanish),

Martedi' in Italian
 
>Wednesday = Mercury day (mercredi in French, miércoles in Spanish),

Mercoledi' in Italian
 
>Thursday = Jupiter day (Jeudi in French, jueves in Spanish),

Giovedi' in Italian
BTW: Thursday maybe is linked to Thor

>Friday = Venus day (Vendredi in French, viernes),

Venerdi' in Italian
>Saturday = Saturn day (samedi in French, sabado in Spanish),

Sabato in Italian

>Sunday = Sun day (dimanche in French, domingo in Spanish).

Domenica in Italian
The latin word "dominus" means "lord", so this is the day devoted to god.

>For some reason 
>Donnerstag/Thursday makes me think to thunder day (well, not without a 
>reason, Donner does mean thunder). Anyone good at etymology (or with a 
>good book)?

The thunderbolt is a symbol of Zeus=Jupiter, thus a possible link between
the latine and anglosaxon name for this day.

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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:17:29 -0600
From: anowack@juno.com (Aaron E Nowack)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Website Updated

My website has been updated to include the 1014 and 1015 Underocean
Timelines and also now includes a poll.



                                                   Aaron Nowack
"Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis."
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:14:41 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

Wynter's Cold Blast
Level: 2
Range: 0
Duration: Instantaneous
Effect: Creates a freezing bolt 20' long, 5' wide.
  This spell, created by the Mage Wynter, creates a freezing blast of cold
energy that explodes from the caster's hand and leaps outward to a maximum
range of 20'.  Creatures in the area of effect suffer 1d4 points of damage per
level of the caster.  Creatures of fire (fire elementals, lava lizards, red
dragons, etc.) suffer double damage, while cold creatures (frost salamanders,
white dragons, etc.) are immune to this spell.
  Each creature in the spell's area of effect may make a saving throw versus
spells; if successful, he takes only half damage.


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:01:30 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

Jim wrote:

>  This spell, created by the Mage Wynter, creates a freezing blast of cold
>energy that explodes from the caster's hand and leaps outward to a maximum
>range of 20'.  Creatures in the area of effect suffer 1d4 points of damage per
>level of the caster.  Creatures of fire (fire elementals, lava lizards, red
>dragons, etc.) suffer double damage, while cold creatures (frost salamanders,
>white dragons, etc.) are immune to this spell.
>  Each creature in the spell's area of effect may make a saving throw versus
>spells; if successful, he takes only half damage.

I like this! Simple, yet effective.  A good D&D equivalent to the likes of
burning hands, and other lower level combat spells.  Mages need a bigger
repertoire, anyway.

Mind if I post this on my site?

Geoff


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:55:06 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

Mind? No way!  I'd be glad to have something of mine posted somewhere!  What's
the address?

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:43:00 -0800
From: chris_d_p@juno.com (Christopher D Pasarilla)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur

Where in the HW is it?  It sounds familiar, I just can't put my finger on
it.  I can't send pictures through my email service, so if you could give
me your home address...?

					Shelz
PS: I only need your address to give you the thing.  I'm not going over
there to kick a** or anything.  :)

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:53 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

TREATIES AND DECREES

AC 1019, 1st Quarter: The Great Company attempts a surprise assault of Glantri
City. The Glantrian Militia, despite its preparations, fails to keep the
Alphatians out of the city. Fortunately, the Militia holds the majority of the
city’s quarters, except for the slums and the merchant area. Fierce fighting
goes on inside the streets as the Militia and the local city residents man the
barricades. There are enough magic-users left to halt the progress of the
Great Company, although defenses menace to give in at any time. The Alphatians
plan a major breakout into the administrative quarters of the legendary city
during the night. Making one of their biggest mistakes in their campaign of
revenge against Glantri, the Alphatians scheduled their offensive during a
full moon. Shortly before the assault, howls echo in the streets of Glantri.
Suddenly, packs of werewolves lurch out of the shadows, attacking units of the
Great Company. At the center of the werewolves’ spoiling attacks stand
Malachie du Marais in full command of his lycanthropic gangs. Surprised, the
Alphatians fall back to the city slums to avoid excessive casualties.
	Further north, Synn approaches the capital with a large army of Black Jacks.
Unfortunately, the cold weather slows her pumpkin-head warriors and she fails
to reach the city at all. She leaves behind enough troops to delay the advance
of the Glantrian Loyalists. Since the two armies faced off in Braastar, Synn
has deliberately ignored the princes’ requests to talk. The two armies presume
each other hostile. Meanwhile, the Loyalist  forces take Kopstar and
Glenmoorloch. Ethengarian and Alphatian defenses holding the mountain pass to
Boldavia receive massive reinforcements, essentially from troops that
retreated from Ylaruam.
	In Karameikos, Valen holds the woods and hills east of Kelvin and Specularum
(Mirros), as well as Penhaligon and the road to Selenica. Both armies clash at
regular intervals, neither being able to defeat the other. Valen makes efforts
to persuade the elves of eastern Karameikos to join his side. They remain
neutral. The rumor is that they are talking to the Vyalia Elves of Thyatis.
Thyatians pressure Valen to accept their help. He still refuses, fearing an
imperial ploy to invade Karameikos. The civil war goes on.
	Meanwhile in the city of Selenica, members of the Western Defense League and
Eusebius spend long weeks arguing and negotiating. Before the end of the
winter, signatures and seals appear at the bottom of decrees and treaties.
They are referred to in general as the Treaties of Selenica. They include the
following agreements:

KARAMEIKOS 

King Stefan must be reinstated as King of Karameikos and retain the throne
until his death
Karameikos remains a Kingdom, rather than a Duchy
King Stefan must stand barefoot and bareheaded at the main gate of Thyatis
City, there to humbly apologize for his treachery, and swear allegiance to the
Empire in the name of his people.
Karameikos, as part of its feudal obligation, is required to levy and maintain
armed forces in the amount of 500 footmen, 200 archers, and 150 cavalry of
which no less than 50 must be Karameikan knights for the defense of mainland
Thyatis at any time they are required by the Empire.
Karameikos is to pay an Imperial Tax equal to 5% of its own revenues (no less
than 5,000 gp per month)
Karameikos is to pay a million gold pieces to the Empire in war reparations
over a period of ten years.
The border with Thyatis is aligned on Rugalov River
All possessions east of the Rugalov River permanently revert to Thyatian
control under the Duchy of Machetos
Karameikos guarantees that Thyatian citizens or Karameikans of ethnic Thyatian
origins are subject to the same laws as all Karameikans and are not subjected
to harassment
Karameikos is to accord all Darokin merchants with "most preferred client"
status, therefore forfeiting any import or export taxes on Darokin merchants.
Karameikos must assess a surtax for all Minrothad ships entering Karameikos
ports

DAROKIN

Darokin is to provide adequate financing for the war reparations Karameikos
owes Thyatis.
Darokin acts as the guarantor of Karameikos’ war reparations debt to Thyatis
Darokin accords a "most preferred client" status to Thyatian merchants for the
next ten years

YLARUAM

Ylaruam drops all future claims whatsoever on Tameronikas
Ylaruam constructs two fortified places, one at Warqa, the other at Cinsa-Men-
Noo, according to plans and guidelines issued in the  treaty
A joint WDL garrison is to occupy the fortification at Warqa against  further
incursions from Rockhome or Enthengar
A Thyatian garrison is to occupy  the fortification at Cinsa-Men-Noo  against
further incursions from Rockhome or Enthengar
Ylaruam must allow and support the garrisons at Warqa and Cinsa-Men-No to
intercept invading forces and wage war on Ylari land as may  be required to
defeat said invasion
Ylaruam must guarantee these garrisons and their reinforcements free and safe
passage through its lands to these two fortified places Ylaruam is to provide
regular food and non-war supplies to the two  fortresses
Ylaruam guarantees that Thyatian citizens or Ylari of ethnic Thyatian origins
are subject to the same laws as ethnic Ylari and are not  subjected to
harassment

ALL WDL MEMBERS

Must respect Thyatis borders and guarantee not to interfere in Thyatian
internal affairs
Guarantee not to interfere with Thyatian military or civilian acting abroad
Must act in the support of the Empire against further invasions from Rockhome
and Ethengar crossing through Ylaruam or Karameikos
One member of the royal family or the families of the nations’ rulers must
remain at all times in Thyatis City as guarantors of their nations’ agreements

THYATIS

Thyatis guarantees not to interfere with internal affairs of all WDL members
Thyatis vows to respects the borders all WDL members.
Thyatis vows not to interfere with WDL military or civilians abroad.
Thyatis accords Darokin merchants "most preferred client" status for the next
ten years
Thyatis’s armed forces remain in Ylaruam until such time the two fortresses at
Warqa and Cinsa-Men-Noo are built and garrisoned as described in the treaty
Upon its departure from Ylaruam, Thyatis returns all sovereign Ylari
territories to Ylaruam, except Tameronikas
One Thyatian imperial nobility is to remain in Darokin City at all times as a
guarantors of Thyatis’s agreements
Thyatis agrees to provide an expeditionary force and naval support in the
event of further western invasions against Darokin and the Five Shires

AC 1019, 2nd Quarter: At the news of the various treaties announced in
Selenica, Ierendi immediately asks to join the WDL, offering a great amount of
gold and jewelry. Ierendi’s request receives unanimous approval and the gold
finds its way into Thyatian hands, as part of Karameikos’s war reparations. A
Minrothad ambassador makes a similar request, which Darokin immediately
vetoes. Weeks later, Minrothad negotiates a separate treaty with the Empire
but the details aren’t released.
	The civil war comes to an abrupt end in Karameikos as King Stefan agrees on
the demands of the Treaties of Selenica. He makes preparations for his journey
to Thyatis.
	News of Synn’s army approaching fast reach the Great Company. The latter
quickly retire out of the capital after putting the slums to the torch. The
Alphatians then head east to Skullhorn Pass still in Ethengarian hands. The
Dark Queen’s army marches into Glantri as the people barricade themselves
inside their houses. The silent, ominous cohorts of Black Jacks walk down the
streets. Synn returns to her Royal Palace. Days later, the Loyalist army
reaches the city gates. The Dark Queen agrees to a truce and invites the
princes with their personal guard. They meet at the "Royal Palace". Synn, as
Queen Dolores I, sits on her throne, her kobold buffoon crouching at her feet.
She demands the princes swear fealty to the Glantrian Crown and take their
rightful place at her side. The princes flatly refuse and scoff at her royal
claim. Instead, they announce their army is now powerful enough to retake the
capital if need be, having levied much of the native population. Synn laughs
and claims she has thousands more Black Jacks in the surrounding hills,
waiting to ambush the princes’ rabble and their elven lackeys. The princes
call Synn’s bluff and start walking out. Synn immediately orders her Black
Jacks to seize the Princes. Not one of them moves to execute her commands.
Instead, a lone, truly wicked looking Black Jack walks up and begins to speak.
He announces the Black Jacks will no longer do Synn’s bidding. Instead, they
claim her own Principality of Fenswick as their own with himself, Lord Night,
as their rightful prince. In a rage, Synn reverts to her dragon shape and
attacks her Black Jack guard. Lord Night escapes Synn’s wrath while the
princes immediately attack the monster. In short order, Synn vows revenge and
flees in the night.

AC 1019, 3rd Quarter: Following the Selenica Treaties, Valen and Adriana
renounce their present claim to the throne, allowing Stefan to return as the
king. He leaves Specularum (Mirros) with his retinue and fulfills his
obligations to the Empire. Tensions remain very high in Karameikos between
Traladaran and ethnic Thyatians. Prince Valen, as the Karameikan guarantor of
the treaty, travels to Thyatis. Eusebius isn’t happy about the choice, but the
treaty does not allow him to influence that choice. Lena Mauntea, daughter of
Corwyn Mauntea of Darokin, trades places with Prince Gabronius Torion of
Thyatis. Prince Eolemnon, brother of Princess Tanaladeyo, joins the other
guests in the name of Aengmor’s Shadow Elves. The Sheriffs of the Five Shires
elect Marmaduke Dustyboots, the brother of Jaervosz, to be their token
presence in Thyatis. Ierendi sends a totally unknown figure, Tanga Kanakola,
the son of one of the elected nobles in Ierendi (since the Queen and King are
elected for such short terms, members of their families would not necessarily
be of use or even available). Finally, Ylaruam sends Khadija, a rambunctious
ten-year-old child and twelfth wife of Mohammed Al-Kalim, along with her
eunuch guard, her preceptor, and her servants.
	Meanwhile in Glantri, the princes debate about Lord Night’s claim for the
Principality of Fenswick. Lord Night just barely gets his wish, at least to
get him and his massive horde of pumpkin-head warriors "off the streets". Lord
Night swears to abide by the Principalities laws and principles, swears
allegiance to the nation, and guarantees that his kin will not bring harm or
harass the good people of Glantri. Lord Night thus takes Synn’s place among
the council. All the other principalities and communities, however, quietly
pass laws outlawing the culture of pumpkins upon pain of death, or the
possession of pumpkin seeds. 
Prince Morphail requests and obtains the command of military troops to retake
Boldavia. He leaves the capital and marches north toward the mountain pass.
Wendar troops take their leave and return to their kingdom.
	Soon afterward, Kol is requested to remove his jester’s hat and approach the
bench. He faces charges of treachery. The trial’s preparations go on for
weeks, and so do the interminable debates. Evidence proves that Kol did act to
protect the people of Glantri and its lands from further violence and
destruction. He claims that he did "abdicate" as he had intended all along
when Princess Dolores ordered him to. He was the victim of her treachery as
much as everyone else when she took the title for herself. Credible witnesses
do testify that "Gentle King Kol" indeed treated fairly the Glantrian people
and that he took all measures available to him to protect the land and the
nation's resources. Malachie du Marais and Lord Night both point out that Kol
bravely attacked Ugrah’s retreating forces and the invading Alphatians. The
princes hesitate, debate, and argue interminably.

AC 1019, 4th Quarter: A messenger arrives at Glantri’s council riding strait
from the Broken Lands border. He bears news of raiding parties preparing to
enter Glantrian lands. Kol’s judgment comes to a quick end when the princes
unanimously agree to exonerate Kol of all charges and reinstate him. After
which, Kol is promptly requested to go deal with the "unrest" in the Broken
Lands. Kol thanks everyone for their magnanimity and quickly leaves to handle
his old business of keeping the Broken Lands safe for everyone. As he rides
south, a dark shape flies overhead, tracing his every moves. The princes
receive a strenuous protest from a Darokinian ambassador. He deplores their
decision to accept in their midst the monster who is personally responsible
for murdering the entire Darokinian relief column in the Broken Lands, five
years earlier. If the princes persist with their amoral decision, future
relations between Darokin and Glantri stand to suffer greatly.
	Meanwhile, the Great Company settles again in Rymskigrad, preparing for the
upcoming winter. Morphail’s troops are on the other side of the Glantrian
Alps, just setting up their wintering quarters as well. A few days later,
chaos and utter terror suddenly rock all of eastern Glantri. In the middle of
a night, nosferatu and vampires of every ilk creep out of their hiding places
throughout Boldavia and have a bloodfest. Blood-curdling screams of abject
terror tear through the chilly night, especially in Rymskigrad. By dawn,
symbols traced in blood mark the doors of all Alphatian residences and
military barracks. All Ethengarians have fled their camps back to the steppes.
Soon afterward, under the dark, gloomy sky of the Glantrian autumn rise
moaning bands of undead of every sort. Graves throughout Boldavia release
their macabre guests who immediately endeavor to harass or devour the
occupants of the marked houses. Boldavian people have long barricaded
themselves and festooned their doors and windows will all manners of defenses.
But no harm comes to them. Ambushes and terrifying fights go on all day. By
nightfall, the Great Company regroups outside Rymskigrad and begins a cautious
withdrawal from Boldavia. At those news, Morphail’s forces storm the mountain
pass, now abandoned, and march triumphantly into Boldavia. They arrive several
days later. The undead have left as quickly as they had appeared. As the first
snowflakes begin to cover the Boldavian countryside, Morphail solemnly
proclaims Glantri free at last!
The Alphatians, upon meeting with the Great Khan, receive an offer to settle
elsewhere. A dwarven envoy suggests the old ruins of Jhyrrad, in Rockhome.
They have remained empty and are somewhat monster-infested, but "nothing like
Boldavia", he quickly reassures his guests. Alphatians are welcome to settle
there and the dwarves offer help to rebuild a new fortress. The wary
Alphatians accept. Before the end of the year, they reach Jhyrrad and set up a
heavily defended camp with the help of dwarven retainers and scouts.

THE END. . . FOR NOW

Bruce Heard

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The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1018
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1017

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:46 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1018

THE TROUBLE WITH KARAMEIKOS

AC 1018, 1st Quarter: Before the end of the winter, Darokin reconquers all of
its lost territories. Large amounts of gold are invested into the devastated
cities for their repair and reconstruction. New defenses at Corunglain are
planned. All troops that fought against the goblins head home.
	In Karameikos, new trouble is flaring. While attempting to resolve the
succession issue and his abdication, King Stefan names his daughter, Adriana,
as the ruling Queen of Karameikos. This decision is popular with the native
Traladarans. Queen Olivia, Stefan's wife, then stuns everyone when she reveals
Adriana and her brother, Justin, are both illegitimate. She and the King's
brother, the chancellor, announce that Adriana and Justin are indeed their
children -- not Stefan's. Therefore, the youngest son, Valen, must be the only
legitimate heir. Valen has the support of native Thyatians in Karameikos. News
of the scandal spread through Karameikos like wildfire.
Stefan, at first in utter shock, then believes Olivia is merely trying to push
forth her favorite son, Valen, and that she "invented" the story about Adriana
and Justin. He declares both Olivia and the chancellor traitors to the crown,
and claims it are Valen who is the chancellor’s son. Olivia takes to a convent
and the chancellor is thrown into the dungeons. Clashes quickly follow in the
streets while ethnic Traladarans and Thyatians take sides.
	A hard winter strikes the north of the Known World. Remnants from Ugrah’s old
hordes settle outside Wendar to weather the cold while the bickering goes on.
Wendar’s army reclaims all lost territories. The crusade against Denagoth
halts, as troops dig in to wait out the raging winter. More Glantrian
volunteers manage to get through the Wendarian Range’s treacherous passes and
bring news of the Alphatian-controlled invasion from Boldavia. The Glantrian
princes reconvene at the Wizard King’s palace. All are present except Malachie
du Marais and Dolores Hillsbury who have presumably returned to Glantri.
Brannart McGregor and Morphail Gorevitch-Woszlany are in Wendar but have sent
proxies to the meeting, as have Malachie and Dolores. Despite the objections
of Brannart and Morphail’s proxies, the princes decide to wait for the end of
the winter before marching back to Glantri, get some rest, accommodate the
volunteers, and prepare their troops. The Wizard King does not recognize the
legitimacy of King Kol over Glantri and agrees to help the Glantrian princes
with their endeavor to regain control over their nation.
	Meanwhile in Glantri, the Alphatians continue their attack despite adverse
weather conditions. They take Glenmoorloch and sack the town for supplies and
equipment. Dolores orders her newly created army of pumpkin head warriors,
dubbed the Black Jacks, northward to engage the Alphatian vanguard. Because of
the cold, the Black Jacks slow down and fail to reach the enemy, stopping
between Braastar and Kopstar. Terrified townspeople flee Braastar as the Black
Jacks sweep through. Refugees flee toward Kopstar and Leenz, many dying in the
cold winter. King Kol rushes the Glantrian City Militia and his humanoid
warriors northward from the Broken Land border to reestablish order in the
north. One night, Synn sneaks into his camp. She uses an enchanted item to
trap his soul and control his body. The kobold who would be king does not have
the means to resist Synn’s powerful enchantment. He becomes her servant. Kol’s
armed forces come to a halt in Glantri City. In the west, werewolves have
completely decimated the remnants of Ugrah’s old horde. Prince Malachie
declares his loyalty to the old regime and renounces Kol’s suzerainty.
	In Thyatis, the war between the empire and the Khan comes to a halt, awaiting
the end of the winter. Moglai receives news from Rockhome – the dwarves will
remain friendly with the Great Khan, but otherwise are returning to their
lands. Ethengar forces continue to hold Ylaruam. Meanwhile in Ostland, allied
naval forces maintain their blockade with great difficulty, the winter weather
taking its toll among the ships and their crews. Fearing the worst, key
leaders of Ostland run the blockade and disappear into the stormy sea, heading
east. Warbirds are unable to intercept them. Ostlanders prepare for the
imminent invasion.

AC 1018, 2nd Quarter: After an initial push forward, the joint Wendar-
Heldannic crusade against Denagoth comes to a halt as the Champions of Light
and Law reach the edge of the Elvenstar’s range. They begin building
fortifications. The Wizard King summons his councilors and the nations most
knowledgeable wizards. They discuss possible solutions to save the mad city of
Woodgate. Reports arrive that the land around the city has perished. No
animals seem to live in the area and all vegetation has died within a radius
of a mile from Woodgate’s city walls, leaving barren, muddy earth. Glantri’s
Loyalists rumble out of the city of Wendar, heading toward Glantri. With the
melting snow, Wendar’s unpaved trails quickly turn into a sticky, muddy mess
slowing down Glantri’s freedom fighters.
	Riots about royal succession become outright civil war in Karameikos. Queen
Adriana seizes power, as her father retires to a monastery of Halav.
Traladaran supporters seem to be getting the upper hand, gaining control of
the capital city and the western half of the nation. Valen, the Queen-Mother,
and the chancellor quickly leave Specularum (Mirros). Valen declares himself
the King of Karameikos, rallies his supporters in Penhaligon, and levies an
army there.
	Dolores’s Black Jacks clash with the Alphatian invasion force just outside of
Braastar. The battle-hardened Alphatians and their Boldavian retainers buckle
before the Black Jack’s initial impetus, but eventually prevail on the
battlefield. Dolores’ forces retreat into deserted Braastar. Looters inside
the city are caught and promptly crucified on the doors of the buildings where
they were captured. Meanwhile in the capital, Kol announces his abdication in
favor of "Queen Dolores I". The local population, numb from years of
catastrophes and bizarre events, fails to react either way. Prince Malachie
strenuously denounces Dolores’ treachery and claims she harbors evil plans for
the people of Glantri. He calls for a general revolt, but people hesitate, no
longer being able to see through the tortuous maze of politics and
monstrousness. Whom should they support – a notorious werewolf, the creator of
the terrifying Black Jacks, or the master of kobolds and goblins? Yet, the
Alphatians are coming!
	In Thyatis, the war resumes swiftly. Moglai Khan hold’s Biazzan against the
Thyatian attack, while his troops storm Fort Nikos further North. Before
summer, the fort lies in ruins and the Great Khan’s army spills into Ylaruam.
Before they leave Biazzan, the Ethengarians put the city to the torch and take
Thyatian slaves along. Furious, the Emperor orders his armies to pursue the
Great Khan into Ylaruam as well. In the north, Vestland, Thyatis, and the
Heldannic Knights storm the isles of Ostland. The fight is brutal, but the
Ostlanders are no match for their invaders. Shipton falls in the first few
days of the invasion. Port Svenson, Zeaburg, and Ostmanhaven remain under
siege. More troops disembark.

AC 1018, 3rd Quarter: Unable to devise a cure for Woodgate, Gylharen simply
orders a wooden palisade and watchtowers erected around the mad city and its
sun-baked dead-lands to keep people out. Fortifications continue in Denagoth
as the two armies observe each other warily.
King Valen, now with a substantial army, marches toward Kelvin. At once, Valen
demands the city surrenders to the rightful king. Fearing bloodshed and
needless hardship, the city’s guilds pressure Kelvin into recognizing Valen as
their rightful lord. He enters Kelvin in triumph. A day later, however, news
of Queen Adriana’s army quickly reach Valen. Scouts report it is at least
twice the size of his forces and is but a few miles away. A city merchant then
approaches Valen, saying he bears an important message from a powerful ally.
	The Alphatians attack the city of Braastar. The Glantri City’s militia and
Kol’s humanoids join the sinister Black Jacks in their defense of the city.
The Glantrian troops have difficulties fighting together. The humanoids are
the first to hesitate. They resent Kol’s abdication and suspect human magic.
The Glantrian militia finds it increasingly unnerving having to fight
alongside goblins, kobolds, and the Black Jacks. Furthermore, news of Morlay-
Malinbois’s defection to the old regime are not helping. The Black Jacks go
on, fighting fearlessly as larger patches are grown and new reinforcements
arrive. One morning, the alarm is sounded after the humanoids desert the
city’s defenses en masse. Lawless bands of goblins and kobolds are later
reported fleeing south and looting everything on their way. Fearing the
ominous reinforcements among the Black Jacks, Glantrian militiamen break rank
and retreat to the helpless capital to protect it from the marauding
humanoids. The Alphatians choose this time to storm Braastar again and the
Black Jacks retreat. The Alphatians move in just as they hear about Fort
Nordling surrendering to the Glantrian princes’ and their Wendarian allies.
	In Ylaruam, the Great Khan’s armies spread out around Kuznetz and Hedjazi
which they control. Thyatis reorganizes its forces outside Ctesiphon, whose
Ylari garrison had surrendered upon the Emperor’s arrival there. Ctesiphon’s
Ylari cavalry joins the Thyatian army. A vast series of clashes ensues,
pitting the stout Thyatian infantry protected by their wild Jennite horsemen
against the nimble Ethengarians. The Great Khan unleashes his Skyriders,
disorganizing the Thyatian rear, disrupting supply lines, and causing fighting
units to break rank. To this, the emperor unveils his trump card – the newer,
greater Retebius Air Corps. Fewer than the mighty Skyriders, the armored
Thyatian knights have the advantage of riding a breed of smaller, well-trained
wyverns. They are slower and less agile than Ethengar’s Skyriders, but
infinitely more resilient in combat. Scouts report another large Thyatian army
on the march in Ylaruam. It has already taken Cubia and Fabia, and is swinging
westward in an attempt to encircle the Great Khan. Ethengar immediately
withdraws toward the capital of Ylaruam. Thyatis pursues after leaving solid
garrisons behind to control the Ylari towns.
	Meanwhile up north, one after the other, the remaining three cities of
Ostland fall before their besiegers. Vestland occupies Ostmanhaven, the
Heldannic Knights Port Svenson, and the Thyatians Zeaburg and Shipton.

AC 1018, 4th Quarter: Queen Adriana’s army attacks Kelvin. Valen holds the
city for several weeks until the city’s guilds decide to switch their
allegiance to Adriana. It happens quietly and the gates swing open during the
night. The threat is almost immediately discovered, allowing enough time for
Valen and his army to make a sortie and flee eastward. There, they meet a
Thyatian envoy. Following an earlier message sent to Valen, Thyatis had
pledged gold, weapons, and supplies to support his cause. A Thyatian convoy is
waiting for Valen in the forest. The help is welcome. The Thyatian envoy then
adds that several thousands civilian volunteers in Machetos have made their
desire known to help their ethnic brothers in Karameikos. They and Thyatian
missionaries await Valen’s call for help, should he need further assistance.
Valen refuses.
	Glantrian Loyalists and their Wendarian allies quickly sweep downward and
retake Kopstar. Soon, they set up camp north of Braastar while the Black Jacks
occupy the southern countryside. The next day, the Loyalists sound the attack.
The Black Jacks do the same on the opposite side. Both forces spill into the
city. . . to discover it is totally empty, save for the Alphatians’ Boldavian
retainers who immediately surrender to the Glantrian princes. The Alphatians
remain conspicuously absent. Soon, the two armies face off, Black Jacks on one
side and Glantrians on the other. Catcalls and jeers break the ominous
silence. But the two armies slowly pull back and hold their two sides of war-
torn Braastar. Boldavians report that the Alphatians pulled out the night
before and circled around the Black Jacks. They are heading for Glantri City.
	In Ylaruam, Thyatis launches an all-out assault upon the capital city. The
embattled Ethengarians fight bravely, but without their dwarven allies, they
must retreat. For the Great Khan the writing is on the wall. They sack the
city, loot its holy places, put them to the torch, soil the water wells, and
ride off toward Rockhome via Parsa and Uruk. The same fate awaits all the
towns on their path. The Khan conducts a masterful retreat leaving nothing
behind but scorched earth, with the Skyriders covering their every moves. The
Retebius Air Corps pursues the Ethengarians as best they can, engaging the
enemy wherever possible. Thyatis moves on, capturing all remaining cities save
Surra-Man-Raa and Abbashan.
	The Western Defense League meets in Darokin toward the end of the year.
Present are the ambassadors from Darokin, the Shires, Ylaruam, and Aengmor.
Two Karameikan ambassadors are present with their nervous guards, both
claiming to be the legitimate representatives of their kingdom. They are both
allowed to speak for their respective monarchs. Rockhome is absent, as
everyone expected. The topic of the discussion is Thyatis’s obvious bid for
conquering Ylaruam. The Ylari ambassador demands the League counterattacks
from Selenica in accordance with the treaty. Immediately, Adriana’s ambassador
shows her support for a concerted action against the empire who she claims is
invading Karameikos as well while pretending to help the treacherous Valen.
The other ambassador objects vehemently. The Shires also support some sort of
action against the empire, more like a food embargo. Darokin, with their army
in shambles and true to themselves, prefer some diplomatic solution rather
than a war they feel they can't win. The Shadow Elves wholeheartedly support
the Darokinian ambassador, loathing even the most remote thought of fighting
in the wide open, sunny Ylaruam. Disagreements flare up and hands are inching
closer to daggers and swords. Suddenly, the whole assembly grows quiet as a
dignified military figure steps in. Emperor Eusebius walks up to the table,
lays down his sword upon it, and quietly stares at everyone. In a stern voice,
he says finally, "We need to talk."

TO BE CONTINUED

Bruce Heard

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:34 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016

MOVES AND COUNTERMOVES

AC 1016, 1st Quarter: Under heavy rains, Ugrah’s southern horde engages the
new defensive lines of the allies centered around Darokin City. Thyatians
hastily constructed networks of palisades and muddy trenches backed with siege
artillery. Several large gaps still lie in their defense, especially near the
eastern shore of the Streel River and the edge of Canolbarth. Ugrah sends a
large recon force through the sinister forest of Aengmor to find a path around
the Thyatian fortifications.
	During one night, the dwarves from Ylaruam pepper Selenica with a series of
probing attacks essentially to gauge the Shadow Elves’ defenses and the layout
of city walls. The Shadow Elves risk several sorties against the dwarven
sappers, making an unusual effort to capture as many of them as they can. By
daybreak the bulk of the dwarven army approaches to lay a siege on Selenica,
only to find the city abandoned by its previous masters and their prisoners.
Civilians at the main gate wave a white flag, claiming Selenica to be an open
city. The dwarves gleefully take possession of Selenica, marching in with
great fanfare.
	Reports of unrest in Karameikos reach the allied forces in Darokin. Rumor has
it that King Stefan wants to avoid a three-way war, especially with the news
of the Selenica switching hands so rapidly. He still suspects a Thyatian
backlash for renouncing his ancestral allegiance to Thyatis. Foreign
ambassadors are putting pressure on Karameikos for different reasons,
including Ethengar and Rockhome envoys. A growing number of people question
the King’s decision, but an equally important number are glad that so far no
one was sent abroad. Arguments flare up.
	Further north, the Great Company calls upon Alphatian expatriates to join
their cause and come to New Sundsvall. News of local Boldavian population
being pressed into the Alphatian army are trickling back to Wendar. His Most
Exalted and Sovereign Majesty, King Kol of Glantri, Defender of the Land,
Savior of the People (etc, etc) sends a message to New Sundsvall, warning that
any incursion into His Royal Demesne will meet a harsh response. The
Alphatians snicker and ignore him altogether.
	Toward the end of the winter, panicked messengers ride back to the court of
the Wizard King. They report that Denagoth is attacking from the north. Their
vanguard has already penetrated Wendarian lands and menace Wendar’s rear.
Precious troops withdraw from the front to address the new threat. The Wizard
King has no choice but to send messengers to Freiburg for urgent support.

AC 1016, 2nd Quarter: The Great Khan launches a flurry of attacks into
Thyatis. In all cases, raiding Ethengarians refuse to engage combat with
Thyatian forces and rapidly withdraw into Ylaruam. Instead, they conduct raids
especially near Biazzan and the Duchy of Tel Akbir. Thyatis does not commit
the bulk of its forces, waiting to see what the Khan’s strategy really is. The
Emperor grants an audience to a mysterious Heldannic commander who flew into
the capital the same day. Shortly afterward, imperial guards escort him back
to his warbird, and in the dead of the night he sets sail to the northeast. A
few days later, Emperor Eusebius orders a great stone arch built just outside
of the capital. Wizards from the Imperial Collegium begin regular deliveries
to the construction site of large marble panels engraved with unusual runes.
More civilians respond to  the Emperor's calls to serve under the imperial
banners.
	Unsettling news from Vestland reach Freiburg. A joint force of dwarves and
Soderfjord Jarls storm Vestland from the south and the west. Ostland ships
joined the invasion, raiding the coasts and causing much damage. Vestland’s
defending forces fall back to Norrvik. The King of Vestland begs Freiburg for
help, but the knights must first address the threat of Denagoth’s forces
pouring into Wendar. They represent a more immediate threat to the Ordensland.
They offer instead a warbird’s help, should the King, his family, and his
government wish to escape Norrvik.
	Faraway from Vestland, the Master of Hule has his own problems. Some of his
humanoid population has made a pilgrimage to Urzud and returned. Rumor of a
great temple in central Brun has caused increasing agitation among his
goblinoid troops. Report about the "Century of Wogar" and the great invasion
against Glantri is adding fuel to the fire of discord. Already, reports of
troops deserting their posts in Sind are reaching the Master. Rumor has it
they left to join the mighty Voice of Kro-ee.
	Meanwhile in Darokin, the war rages on around Darokin City. A handful of
Ugrah's recon force returns from the Canolbarth forest. Shadow Elves decimated
the vast majority of their war parties and took some prisoners. Angry, Ugrah
orders renewed assaults on the capital city.

AC 1016, 3rd Quarter: Ugrah's northern horde pursues its unrelenting assault
of Wendar. The beleaguered Wendarian army, now fighting a two-front war is
unable to rescue the besieged city of Woodgate. At last, the goblins storm
Woodgate and overwhelm its defenders. Tales of mass slaughter in Woodgate
further erode Wendar’s sagging morale.
Meanwhile, the Heldannic Knights slowly recover from their war with Myoshima.
The knights hold the passes leading to Wendar and threaten to attack Denagoth,
relieving the Wendarian army from some of the pressure. The knights ground
most of the warbirds and launch instead build large numbers of flying rafts.
The crude platforms include a single crew, a priest with a small altar and a
tent, and stacks of barrels, crates, and sacks of supplies. The rafts make
one-way trips to a city in Wendar, bringing desperately needed supplies and
clerical help. Incidentally, clerics of Vanya also use this as an opportunity
to preach their faith, with some notable success. The rest of the Heldannic
army digs in behind the Vestland border. The King of Vestland accepts the
warbird trip back to Freiburg, minutes before his palace falls into the hands
of the Soderfjord and Ostland aggressors. Vestland and Heldannic surface ships
regroup in Freiburg and prepare to sail back out.
	Toward the end of summer, a large army boldly marches from Ylaruam into the
Duchy of Tel Akbir. The legions of Thyatis rumble forward to meet the invasion
force head on. The clash is brutal, worthy of the many future tales from bards
and minstrels. Before the end of the day, the trumpets of Thyatis announce a
great victory for the empire as the well-prepared imperial troops annihilate
the invaders. But Emperor Eusebius remains cautious and worried. Ylari cavalry
and infantry from Rockhome and Soderfjord make up the invading army almost
exclusively. Few Ethengarians show up at all and there is no sign of the Great
Khan. Imperial troops withdraw, despite protests from their generals to pursue
the fleeing army into Ylaruam.

AC 1016, 4th Quarter: As the trumpets’ triumphant calls still echo in the
imperial palace, messengers ride from the city of Kerendas. They report a
major invasion of Ethengarian riders coming from Karameikos. The town of
Machetos has fallen to the unexpected attackers. Some of the gates had been
knocked open. Everyone suspects treachery, or perhaps Alphatian magic. Much of
the Thyatian land forces rush to meet the Khan.
	Up in Darokin, buckling before the repeated angry assaults from Ugrah’s
southern horde, the allied force once again must fall back. The position
around Darokin City is untenable. Darokin’s army moves into the capital city,
hoping to outlast the unavoidable siege, while the Thyatians and their
halfling allies retreat to the narrow passes in the Cruth Mountain before
winter settles in. Morale is sagging among the Thyatians when they learn of
the fall of Machetos and war back home.
	Riots flare up throughout Karameikos. The Karameikan army is in disarray,
split between the authority of their king and popular anger. Stefan’s bid for
peace failed miserably. Everyone shows their dislike of Moglai Khan being
granted a free passage through their lands. The news about the failing defense
in Darokin did nothing to help. It is painfully clear to everyone that war is
now unavoidable. Rumors go around that Alphatians have manipulated the aging
king. Angry mobs begin hunting down suspected Alphatians and their
accomplices. They put the school of magic to the torch. Violence shakes the
whole kingdom. In an attempt to calm his people, King Stefan announces his
abdication. The issue of his succession only serves to fuel the unrest, as
Karameikos is now on the verge of a full-scale civil war. At last, followers
of Halav seem to get the better of the widespread chaos and call for a crusade
against the humanoid hordes. Massive support rallies the good people of
Karameikos around the faith of Halav. Meanwhile, the Karameikan army closes
the border with Thyatis, sending a message to Moglai Khan that he is no longer
welcome on their land.

TO BE CONTINUED

Bruce Heard

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:11 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

Hi all. . . 

Here's a series of posts about an alternative Known World timeline. It had
generated an interesting discussion on the MMB last October. I thought some of
you would be interested or at least entertained. A few notes – the timeline is
based upon some (non-canon) ideas that had come up on the MMB so you probably
will have some questions (for example – the goblins’ artifact which ties into
ideas presented earlier on Star of Vanya, the "mad city" of Woodgate in
Wendar, the Myoshiman invasion of the Heldannic Territories which is mentioned
in passing, the presence of Alphatians in Selenica following the end of the
Great War, etc.) The plotline given for the succession of King Stefan of
Karameikos actually came from another contributor – unfortunately I don’t
recall his name. I hope he will manifest himself so proper credit can be
given! The first two or three years of the timeline seem pretty brutal, but
(for the most part) everything falls back into place at the end. This is
repeated here for fun – I hope you enjoy reading through this as much as I
enjoyed putting it together!

***************

THE PRELUDE

AC 940: A gigantic ship of the Neh-Talggu leaves their outer-planar world on a
long exploration mission.  

AC 950: The Neh-Talggu discover a mud-colored object radiating strange
telepathic prayers in an abandoned temple. The object has the appearance of a
fossilized group of larvae, about the size of an average pumpkin. One of the
object's properties is that the larvae seem to have moved a bit every time
someone takes a new look at it. Neh-Talggu scholars seize the object and take
it along for further observation. Their journey takes them into the Prime
Plane, as the Neh-Talggu prepare to explore the Mystaran system.

AC 955: Appearing out of nowhere, thousands of space pirates suddenly ambush
the Neh-Talggu ship as it unwittingly travels past the invisible moon of
Matera. The hair-rising caterwauls and total boldness of their demi-feline
assailants utterly shock the unprepared Neh-Talggu. Overwhelmed by the vast
number of assailants, the Neh-Talggu attempt to flee and steer their huge,
lumbering vessel toward nearby Mystara. With their nimble flying mounts, the
Myoshiman pirates catch up and continually board the Neh-Talggu ship,
frantically looking for loot and slaves. In their final act before dying, the
remaining Neh-Talggu form a circle and summon a great fiery flash just as they
enter the planet's atmosphere. Ablaze, the voidship tumbles to the surface, in
north-central Brun, along with the burning and screaming pirates. A lone
goblin shaman sees the fiery arc reaching down from the nightly sky and,
thinking it a sign of her Immortal patron Wogar, exhorts her tribe to travel
to that region. Thus starts the saga of the Othwa.

AC 956: Late in winter, the Othwa find the Neh-Talggu crash site under a coat
of ice and snow. They first unveil a monstrous jumble of charred, frozen
bodies, mostly bones and crab-like pieces strangely assembled to form a
twisted temple. Underneath all this, they reach the colossal Neh-Talggu's
vessel itself. The ship's heavy structure, part wood and part metal, buried
itself into the marshy ground at the time of the crash. The courageous Othwa
start digging into the frozen muck, slowly cutting their way through the
crumpled and collapsed holds of the voidship. There they find untold treasures
amassed by the Neh-Talggu during their journey. Many contain powerful magic.
Working goblins report hearing strange prayers while they dig deeper into the
ship. Their shaman presses them on. The rest of the Othwa tribe takes refuge
in the temple of bones as the deadly northern winter rages on outside.

AC 957: With spring come the thawing of the ice and snow in the vast swamps
surrounding the crash site. Accidents become all too frequent as mud begins to
flood the partially cleared wreck. With great difficulty and many tragedies,
the goblins reach the heart of the vessel where they find the fossilized
larvae. They painstakingly hoist it out instants before the support beams cave
in and thick, sticky mud suddenly floods the shipwreck drowning everyone
inside. The black temple of bones, resting solidly on the buried wreck itself,
dominates the surrounding land, as a stark reminder of those who will rest
beneath it for eternity.

AC 972: The Othwa survive their ordeal in the desolate northern lands, and
despite the lack of good resources in the area, many whelps are born, many
more than expected. To avoid starvation the goblins reluctantly abandon the
crash site and their bizarre temple of bones, to travel south where the deer
thrive.

AC 982: The Othwa becomes a thriving tribe of central Brun. The unusual
objects they retrieved from the Neh-Talggu wreck allow them ample and
favorable trading with other tribes. Kro-ee, the aging tribal shaman, also
discovers that the fossilized larvae are a powerful artifact. It seems to
improve the fertility of the tribe's females and shorten gestation time. For
this, Kro-ee thanks Wogar and begins organizing the life of her tribe around
the artifact.

AC 984: The Othwa are now a major tribe. Their population and territory have
grown very fast, and several other goblin tribes were incorporated in the
process. Later that year, a very large orcish tribe, the Gronmak, invades
Othwaland, demanding the Othwa pay up a hefty tribute. The Othwa refuse and
mount a sudden counterattack, using some of the strange magic found in the
Neh-Talggu's wreck. The Gronmak panick and their warchief captured. Soon, the
Gronmak bow to their new lords and adopt the worship of Wogar. The Othwa tribe
grows on.

AC 994: The Othwa population has far exceeded local resources. It begins a
massive migration. Its journey takes the Othwa to Urzud. There, Kro-ee
proclaims the Coming of Wogar’s Century, and orders a great temple to be built
in His Name. She dies of old age before its completion a few years later.

AC 1004: Followers of Wogar from the other goblinoid tribes have been
converging toward Urzud for the past several years. There, they pay homage to
the Othwa, worship Wogar at his great temple, and bow before the exposed,
mummified remains of Kro-ee. As they settle in the region, the other tribes
also benefit from the artifact's powers, and their numbers keep growing at an
alarming rate.

AC 1009: Urzud witnesses a population explosion. Tribes begin fighting each
other over what meager resources might be had. Infighting degenerates as
rivals of the all powerful Othwa take this as an opportunity to strike back.
The great mud houses and shacks of Urzud are soon ablaze and its streets
filled with piles of rotting corpses and starving, desperate humanoids. All
seems lost when the body of Kroo-ee unexpectedly sits up and walks out of the
dilapidated temple. She steps on a large rock outside the temple and stares
down quietly at her people, pointing an accusing finger at them. To the
screaming and slaughtering succeeds a sudden silence as everyone is struck
with awe and fall to their knees. They bow before her as deeply as they can,
trembling in fear. Once the calm restored, Kro-ee quietly shuffles back to her
grave. Kro-ee's successor, a shaman called Ugrah, then steps before the
fearful mob and addresses them with great conviction, enjoining them to unite
and turn upon the rich human lands of the south and the east. There lie the
food, wealth, and pleasures that should be theirs by right. And the right of
conquerors shall be theirs indeed! The humanoids, sometimes reluctantly, fall
back and regroup under the nominal authority of Ugrah-Voice-of-Kro-ee!

Note: In truth, Ugrah had judiciously chosen this time of crisis to animate
the dead body of Kro-ee and impress his fellow goblins into submission. The
ruse worked and he effectively took control of a vast population of humanoids
in the region of Urzud. Ugrah is as much a powerful shaman as a cunning and
bold war leader. He also is a good judge of character and chose his war chiefs
wisely. He entrusted them with the few remaining magical objects found in the
Neh-Talggu wreck to support their invasion of the civilized lands. 

AC 1010: To avoid further starvation and internal strife, Ugrah-Voice-of-Kro-
ee orders a long march toward the Known World. Females, their progeny, and
half the male population are to remain at Urzud and defend the temple. They
are to send regular reinforcements to the Thunderous War Horde. On its way,
the Thunderous War Horde slaughters the Othwa's rivals, and assimilates other
tribes. By then, the great goblin leader goes by the name Ugrah-Kwa’Othwa-
To'Kro-ee-Na'Urzud-Ke'Wogar (or Ugrah, Lord of Othwa, Voice of Kro-ee, Heart
of Urzud, Hand of Wogar). More should be added as the goblins smash their way
from one victory to another.

AC 1013: The Thunderous War Horde with its multitude of Othwa goblins and
their cohort of allied and submitted humanoid tribe at long last reaches the
Wildlands, just east of Wendar and Glantri. Thousands of drums herald the
marching the Thunderous Hordes.

TO BE CONTINUED

Bruce Heard

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:40 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1017

MADNESS IN WENDAR

AC 1017, 1st Quarter: The Wendarian city of Woodgate goes mad. It succumbs to
a blind rage in the months following the slaughter of its elven keepers. At
first, horrendous screeches echo throughout the city, followed with doors
brutally swinging open and slamming shut. Windows and stones erratically burst
out, projecting vicious shards. Worse, one night the walls and the floors
absorb the vast majority of the occupying goblinoids. At first their bodies
are partially stuck in the whispering, giggling, and gibbering walls as if the
goblins had materialized inside mud. Still alive, the hapless humanoids shriek
and howl horribly from the pain and utter fear while their bodies slowly
disappear into the angry, magical stones. For the weaker beings, their bodies
take a few  hours before sinking in. For the greater humanoids, it takes long
days of sickening agony and horror. When all is said and done, only a handful
of humanoids who were able to jump off the city walls survived to tell what
they saw. Soon it becomes clear that the Thunderous Horde has lost more than
ten thousand of its kin. In the days following the tragic event, large, black
veins appear on the buildings’ walls, and the city begins twisting itself into
a sinister shadow of its former self. The silhouettes of victims can be seen
running across the surface of the walls. They groan and scream in pain,
calling out for help in their futile quests to escape the stones of madness.
	The insanity befalling Woodgate has another sweeping effect. Suddenly, not
one of the war chiefs wants to assault the remaining Wendar cities. The
northern invasion comes to a complete halt as the goblins realize that the
other Wendarian cities may react the same way. Fear paralyzes the leaders and
they suddenly adopt a defensive stance. The news reach Ugrah who is furious at
what he thinks is a Wendarian trick and at the superstition of his own kin. He
gives orders to the southern horde’s war chiefs to finish off Darokin while he
travels north to take charge of the stalled northern invasion. No more than a
day later, Shadow Elf spies hiding among the southern horde get the news and
quickly return to Rafielton.
	Darokin City remains besieged as the rest of the southern horde spreads outs
into the countryside. Most of the townsfolk and their militias have fled south
into the mountains. Ugrah’s goblins take one town after another, almost
without a fight. Before the end of winter, humanoids occupy Darokinian lands
east of the Streel River and south of Canolbarth. Scouts begin crossing the
mighty river to gauge the defenses of Akorros. Another war party halts not far
from the walls of Selenica and sets up a camp. Humanoids and the dwarves
guarding Selenica begin observing each other uneasily. But Ugrah had ordered
them to stay clear of Selenica, so no attack comes forth.
	In Thyatis things are very different. By the time the bulk of Thyatis’s
forces reaches the Golden Horde, Kerendas is already under siege and Foreston
has fallen. Moglai Khan has had enough time to position his forces to meet the
oncoming Thyatians. Alphatian refugees fleeing from Karameikos  bolster his
forces. A bitter fight begins but the Thyatians are unable to break the siege.
The highly mobile Ethengarian horsemen are masters at their ancestral war
technique, rushing on toward the enemy lines and quickly retreating while
showering them with arrows. Woe be the Thyatian line breaking before the
Khan’s horsemen, for they immediately exploit the breach and massacre all
fleeing troops. Meanwhile outside Kerendas, Ethengarian and Alphatian
spellcasters summon earth elementals to sap the city walls. Thyatian priests
inside the city respond with their own magic, either stalling the elementals
or breaking the Ethengarian assaults. They are hard-pressed however, and the
Khan’s army is slowly gaining the upper hand. Messages are sent from the
crumbling city to the emperor.

AC 1017, 2nd Quarter: Vestland and Heldannic surface ships raid the isles of
Ostland. Land defenses are good enough however and none of the attacking
forces can disembark for long. The allied warships begin a blockade of Ostland
until reinforcements arrive.
	Meanwhile near Selenica, Shadow Elves mount two attacks during the same
night, one raid against the goblin’s camp and the other inside Selenica. The
elves had engineered a secret opening through the walls precisely for this
eventuality. They quickly retreat from the sites of both raids, after leaving
behind gallons of fake blood and piles of freshly killed dwarves and
goblinoids whom they had captured the year before. Goblin arrows seem to have
killed the "fallen" dwarves, while the fallen humanoids show the crushing
wounds of warhammers and the gashes from dwarven battleaxes. In their
excitement, neither side sees through the Shadow Elves’ cruel ruse. By
daybreak, rage prevails on both sides. Accusations of treachery and calls for
revenge are on everyone’s lips. Later that morning the two armies collide just
west of Selenica. It is a horrid scene of savage butchery. Hiding in the
forest, the Shadow Elves quietly observe the result of their deed. When one
side seems to gain the upper-hand, they shower it with arrows and quickly
withdraw back into Canolbarth. By the end of the day, both sides have nearly
annihilated each other. The goblins fall back further west, calling for
reinforcements, while the dwarves return to Selenica. Only then does it dawn
upon the dwarves that their "fallen" comrades were warriors missing since they
took Selenica from the Shadow Elves. They know now who was behind it all, and
their hatred for the Shadow Elves grows even greater.
	Ugrah and his proud Othwa guard continued their journey to Wendar when the
news reach him of the disaster in Selenica. He sets up camp near the northern
edge of the Broken Lands to discuss the ramifications of the "dwarven
betrayal" and the changes in his plans with his war chiefs. Shadow Elf
adventurers had been trailing Ugrah for just such an opportunity. They
infiltrate the camp at night and capture the mighty Voice of Kro-ee. Narrowly
escaping the guard, the Shadow Elves take Ugra with them. Later on at dawn,
they stand on top of a cliff overlooking the Othwa camp. They call their
attention, unceremoniously execute the hapless Ugrah before the horrified eyes
of his Othwa kin, and quickly leave taking his body along to ensure no one
will ever revive him.
News of Ugrah’s death spread like wildfire among the humanoids. Within days,
war chiefs start bickering about who would replace the mighty Voice of Kro-ee.
All further humanoid attacks suddenly halt in Darokin. In Wendar, the
situation grows even worse and much of the northern horde retreats westward,
abandoning the besieged cities. At the news, four fifths of Wendar’s army and
its Glantrian allies promptly wheel around and turn on the Denagoth invaders.
The Heldannic army then marches down the Mengul mountains and slams into
Denagoth’s rear. A quick succession of large-scale battles shakes the Denagoth
invasion forces who begin a slow retreat from Wendar.
	Meanwhile in Thyatis, the war rages on. Kerendas threatens to fall at any
time. By sundown, a wizard from the Imperial Collegium reports to Emperor
Eusebius that the Great Arch stands ready. The Emperor nods and simply says,
"Turn them loose." Later that night, Thyatian wizards stand in a circle around
the large stone arch and read the runes carved on its surface. An image
appears underneath. Becoming more precise, it shows a large camp with the sun
rising behind it, sending rays of sunlight back out, through the arch’s
opening. Before the camp, stands a lone Heldannic commander staring back
through the portal. He turns around and calls forth the warriors in the camp.
At first hundreds and soon, thousands of horsemen gather before him. He
motions them on and the warriors begin moving through the Thyatian arch. Just
then, Eusebius sends messengers throughout the empire to announce the arrival
of Thyatis’s new allies. The announcement says that "the Jennites have
accepted to fight for the Empire. Treat them well."

AC 1017, 3rd Quarter: Sensing the shifting winds, Ostland raiders decide to
leave Vestland while the going is still good. They embark plunder and warriors
alike, and set sail to Zeaburg. The Heldannic and Vestland ships blockading
the isles intercept the Ostland drakkars. Overloaded, the longships are slow
to maneuver and fail to maneuver around the blockading fleet. Soon, many
attempt to turn around, fleeing the deadly siege weapons aboard the blockading
ships, only to discover a large Thyatian fleet closing in. It is a disaster
for Ostland. Most of its fleet has sunken along with its treasures and
warriors. Only a few survive after throwing overboard their loads of plunder
and the bodies of fallen heroes.
	Several warbirds appear in the skies of Vestland. Getting a not-so-subtle
hint of things to come and news of Ostland’s woes, Soderfjord jarls abandon
Norrvik in great haste and make a bee line to the south. A few days later, the
King of Vestland lands in Norrvik and proclaims his beloved nation free of its
invaders.
	Meanwhile in Thyatis, Moglai Khan finally gets through Kerendas’s defenses.
Ethengarians pour into the smoldering breaches. They quickly sack the city and
raise the Great Khan’s banner over its highest tower. His triumph is short
lived, however. Reports of the dwarven blunder at Selenica, the goblins’ full-
scale retreat in Wendar, and the turn of events in the northern reaches come
to Moglai Khan's attention. Worse, scouts report a very large force of wild
horsemen approaching. The feeling that his entire plan is rapidly falling
apart proves too much. He orders his armies to abandon Kerendas and march
toward Biazzan. By daybreak the next day, his massive force skillfully
maneuvers past the Thyatian lines. But a sudden and savage charge changes the
order of the day. Well over ten thousand wailing Jennites slam into Moglai
Khan’s flank. The Ethengarian forces menace to fall apart under the brutality
and boldness of the attack. What started out as a skillful maneuver now
threatens to become a panic route. But Moglai has another card in his sleeve.
"Summon the Skyriders!" Soon afterward, hundreds of Ethengarians riding pegasi
rise from behind nearby hills and come swooping down on the Jennites,
showering them with arrows. The charge of the Skothar Brigade ends abruptly,
giving just enough time for the Golden Horde to retreat from the battlefield.
	Finally, up in Darokin, the allies resume their fight against the Ugrah’s
southern horde. The bickering war chiefs have no option but to retreat before
the counterattacking forces. Thyatians and halflings from the Shires, now
bolstered with a fresh army from Karameikos, pour into southern Darokin. The
capital’s garrison risks a courageous sortie in the rear of the retreating
goblins, supported with Shadow Elves from Canolbarth. By the end of the week,
most of the disorganized humanoids are surrounded, falling victim of a massive
carnage. The remainder abandons Corunglain and flees toward Glantri.

AC 1017, 4th Quarter: A lone cohort of Thyatians approaches Selenica. A
Darokinian commander rides to the gates and hails the dwarves. A dour warrior
walks out to inquire about his visit. The commander stares down at the dwarf
and says, "Your presence here has exceeded the hospitality of your hosts." The
dwarf responds, "Eh? You really plan on taking the city with your pitiful
band?" Right on clue, several thousand Shadow Elves quietly walk out of the
woods. The Darokinian envoy then simply adds, "Leave. . . now." The dwarf
gauges the elven force, spits in their direction and, without another word
returns inside the city gates. Before the end of the day, the dwarven forces
of Selenica return to Ylaruam.
	His Most Exalted and Sovereign Majesty, King Kol of Glantri, Defender of the
Land, Savior of the People (etc, etc)  proclaims his independence from "Ugrah-
The-Tyrant" for the greater glory of Glantri! He successfully positions his
forces to block the passes leading out of the Broken Lands. The retreating
remnants of the Thunderous Horde are stranded inside the Broken Lands, there
to be finished off by a few thousand kobolds under Kol’s command. Meanwhile,
in western Glantri, packs of werewolves are attacking bands of humanoid
stragglers still lingering there. Synn, who had quietly returned to Glantri,
is also doing her part secretly. She enchants a vast number of pumpkin
patches, animating the vegetables into tough, dangerous, and bizarre warriors.
They form into little bands, hunting down the remainder of Ugrah’s humanoids
scattered outside Glantri City.
	At the news of Ugrah’s sudden demise and Kol’s impudent proclamation, the
Alphatians of New Sundsvall march out of Boldavia. They storm the pass leading
into northern Glantri and begin their conquest of the much-hated nation.
Meanwhile further north, the war has shifted into Denagoth as a joint
Wendarian-Heldannic army begins rooting out evil from these savage lands. The
Glantrian army rides back to the capital city of Wendar awaiting new orders.
	Down in Thyatis, Moglai Khan’s forces storm the city of Biazzan. Despite a
good defense, it surrenders under the repeated attacks of Ethengarian
Skyriders and Alphatian wizards. Moglai orders his army to hold Biazzan and
prepare for the winter. The Thyatian army approaches, flanked with its massive
Jennite cavalry. Before the end of the year, Thyatis builds fortified camps in
the area to contain any further Ethengarian moves to the south.

TO BE CONTINUED

Bruce Heard

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The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - (Original) D&D Woes
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1015
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016
Re: [MYSTARA] - The World in Flames
RE: [MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font
RE: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: A New Monster for you]
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1015
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1018
Re: [MYSTARA] - The World in Flames

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:36:03 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - (Original) D&D Woes

> Probably because they fear that the OD&D game will compete in popularity
> with the AD&D game. Which is why the ditched OD&D in the first place. :(

> While I agree with your conclusion as to why TSR won't release the 
> products to the open market, I disagree with the latter point.  If it was
> making money, they would keep it going.  That's how companies work
> generally.  It's hard for us to admit, Haavard, but OD&D probably just
> wasn't making the profit TSR needed to sustain it. [Mischa]

Actually. . . The Rules Cyclopedia did very well for TSR. In general the sale
of Gazetteer titles did okay in general (less "well" than some of the bigger
AD&D lines, but markedly better than its least performing). The Gazetteers'
strength lay in their good repeat sales after the initial release, which was
rare for role-playing accessories. In general, RPG releases are often little
more than flashes in the pan. D&D was doing well enough sales-wise, at least
considering overall market conditions, to be kept on the active list. Toward
the last years of TSR, only the strongest AD&D lines were eking out revenue.
The big reason why D&D was dropped is because of the probability it was indeed
taking sales away from AD&D. This was true to a point, but not entirely. Some
people have never switched.

> I've also seen a lot of folks scared off of the system by its sheer size.
> They see stacks and stacks of books and think that all of it is required.
> And some of 'em aren't convinced when they're told that the only thing
> they'll "need" is the PH (and even then no need to read it all right away);
> the stacks and stacks still intimidate 'em. [Porphy]

Indeed. That's one of the reasons why the Rules Cyclopedia was doing
relatively well despite its many challenges (gamers thinking it was a kiddy
game, lack of advertising, limited stocks, a generally little effort on the
part of TSR to sell D&D).

> On the flip-side of this coin, the folks at TSR may have thought that if
they
> could get the OD&D group to switch to AD&D, these folks would probably buy
(at
> least) a DMG, PHB, MM, and maybe the Karameikos boxed set...that's $100 U.S.
> right there... [Demero]

Right. This is debatable considering the number of people who play both
systems. Shrinking market conditions proved the effort futile, however.

Bruce Heard
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:29 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1015

A WORLD IN FLAMES

AC 1015, 1st Quarter: Thyatis and emissaries from several other nations
protest to the Great Khan about his treacherous invasion of Glantri. The Great
Khan coldly responds that it was in everyone’s best interest since his plan
was to stop the humanoid invasion. The best way to accomplish this was to
capture the mountain passes quickly. A Darokinian envoy points out that simply
allying with Glantri would have accomplished the same thing without adding
insult to injury. With a smile, the Khan answers that at least "he" did not
waste precious time with hesitations and military incompetence on the field. A
Thyatian ambassador, noticing the quiet presence of an Alphatian commander at
the side of the Khan mentions how "convenient" this decision must have been.
The Khan continues, saying this was no time for negotiation but for action.
And act Ethengar did – the Khan then announces the success of his horsemen in
holding the Glantrian passes. A gruff representative from Rockhome then
bluntly adds his support for the Great Khan’s swift and decisive action, for
which he receives a kind smile and a nod from the Great Khan. In the back of
the large yurt stands a lone and somber Heldannic priest who remains
uncharacteristically quiet. He is lost in his thoughts about recent news of
the Inquisition incarcerating the Grand Master in Freiburg*. This was no time
to pick a fight with Ethengar.
	Shortly after the audience with the Great Khan, the Darokin envoy privately
suggests his Thyatian colleague that Darokin is not in the best position to
stop the humanoids, should they decide to come south. Darokin lost some
valuable troops while trying to rescue Glantri, and much worse, holds none of
the passes leading out of the Broken Lands. It may be wise of Thyatis to send
help before it is too late. Ethengar is doing fine, and apparently so is
Wendar. The Thyatian ambassador agrees. Both return at once to their
respective lands. Meanwhile, a detachment of Ethengarian horsemen thunders out
of the Great Khan’s camp, heading west.
	Meanwhile, far in the north, the first wave of humanoid reinforcements from
Urzud reaches Ugrah’s northern horde. The fires of their many camps dot the
landscape as far as one can see from Wendar. The Glantrian Princes settle in
the elven capital. With much fanfare, they renounce their allegiance to their
treacherous kobold liege and proclaim themselves Glantri’s lawful government
in exile. Soon afterward, the remnant of Glantri’s regular army reaches the
Wizard King’s capital, under Wendarian escort. Their weapons and horses were
confiscated upon their arrival in Wendar. The Princes protest.

(*) cf. alternate Heldannic timeline.

AC 1015, 2nd Quarter: Ugrah’s hordes are on the move again. In the south,
Ugrah suddenly marches on Darokin. Soon, Darokinian scouts report massive
camps being set up just a few miles of Corunglain in the Broken Lands.
Following their decision to help out Darokin, Thyatis sends a large relief
army. The Great Company of Selenica, fearing trouble with the Thyatian
military, denies the Thyatians permission to cross their lands, as do the
Karameikans, no doubt under the influence of Alphatian expatriates there. The
latter become the target of bitter imperial protest and thinly veiled threats.
Meanwhile, Thyatian reinforcements set sail directly to the Shires to avoid
any further delays. There, they join with halfling troops and begin a force-
march into southern Darokin.
Merely days after this event, King Stefan of Karameikos declines to send
required troops to help against the goblin invasion of Darokin. Instead, a
Karameikan ambassador informs Corwyn Mountea of Darokin that King Stefan fears
imminent Thyatian reprisals. He had expected a war ever since Karameikos’s bid
for independence from the empire. Now more than ever, Karameikos could not
afford to spare troops. Other members of the WDL are informed. Their
complaints fall on deaf ears. People in Karameikos debate and argue
interminably about the wisdom of Stefan’s decision, but in the end most are
happy to stay out f the war up north. The few others form small bands of
volunteers, especially among the followers of Halav, and leave to join the
Darokin regulars.
	Far in the north, the greater, wiser Thunderous Horde launches its second
invasion of Wendar. This time, humanoids scouts do a better job at ferreting
out Wendarian traps. Massive battles follow with a series of thrusts and
counter-thrusts from both sides. Casualties are mounting. The Glantrian
princes negotiate with the Wizard-King for the retrieval of their arms and
horses. In exchange for this, Wendarian commanders join their ranks to
"assist" Glantrian officers while they lend a hand against the invaders. As
the weeks go by, more refugees from Glantri keep arriving. Most join the
Glantrian Loyalists, as militia volunteers.
	While everyone’s attention focuses on Wendar and Darokin, Ethengar completes
its conquest of eastern Glantri. The besieged city of Rymskigrad finally
surrenders, as does the rest of the Glantrian territories between Wendar and
Ethengar. For its valuable support, the Khan donates the city of Rymskigrad to
the Great Company, giving them a "legitimate" home. Quietly, the Great Company
starts moving its troops out of Selenica. Combat has ceased at the mountain
passes since the bulk of Ugrah’s forces moved south. Orders from the Khan
reach his forces there. They are to hold the passes and not move beyond. The
bulk of Golden Horde is to regroup at Rymskigrad, now called New-Sundsvall.

AC 1015, 3rd Quarter: In Wendar, the war rages on and the once formidable
elven defense starts buckling under the humanoids’ continual pressure. The
road to northern Glantri is cut and no further refugees can reach Wendar.
Several cities behind enemy lines remain besieged. So far however, the goblin
hordes have failed miserably in their attempts to storm the well-defended
Wendarian cities. Unusual magic continues to frustrate the goblins’ savage
assaults on the big urban centers.
Down south, Ugrah hurls his masses of goblins, orcs, and all denizens of the
Broken Lands and the Great Crater at Corunglain. Darokin desperately fights
for its very survival and suffers severe casualties. For now however, Ugrah
fails to spill into Darokin. The Thyatian and Shires troops arrive just in the
nick of time to bolster the failing Darokin army. Although fatigue has set in
as a result of their forced march through Darokin, there is hope yet for
Darokin.
	Meanwhile, suspecting something’s amiss with the Great Company, Shadow Elves
send spies to watch the Alphatians. They report most of the forces have left
the city and are quietly sneaking out of Darokin into Ethengar. The Shadow
Elves immediately mount an assault of Selenica and ambush the Alphatians just
east of Canolbarth. It is immediately obvious that many dwarves are covering
the Great Company’s withdrawal. A bitter fight follows after which all sides
quickly retire. Meanwhile, the city of Selenica falls to the Shadow Elves as
the remaining Alphatian officers fly or teleport out to safety.
Shortly afterward, a lone Ylari messenger rides into Selenica, battered and
wounded. He reports Ethengar is invading Ylaruam with massive dwarven support.
They have crushed Ylaruam's armies. No more than a day later, a Darokin
emissary approaches the Shadow Elf military commander of Selenica. He thanks
Darokin’s kind elven neighbors for freeing this Darokinian city. Darokin has
given him full powers to compensate the Shadow Elves for their heroic action,
and therefore asks in the name of the legitimate owners of the city to take
over things from that point on. Unimpressed, the Shadow Elf commander suggests
Darokin first solve their humanoid problem, and that they would talk again
afterward. Until then, a bigger problem is developing in the desert demanding
all their attention.

AC 1015, 4th Quarter: Ugrah’s northern horde has pushed more than half way
into Wendar. The elves and their humans allies prove a harsh, determined
opponent. The Thunderous Horde pays dearly for every foot of land wrenched
from Wendar. But then, more reinforcements arrive from Urzud to support the
invasion. More cities are besieged yet none are fallen. However, some begin to
send messages to the Wizard King that supplies are getting low. Unexpectedly,
a few Heldannic warbirds enter Wendar. As they hover above one of the besieged
cities, their commander hails with a thick accent: "Requesting permission to
land! We bring supplies in the Name of Vanya!" Furious, the goblins watch on,
powerless to intervene.
	In Darokin, exhausted from the weeks of continual warring, relentless
assaults, and worsening weather, the allied forces have to retreat in good
order. Refugees flee south, leaving behind their burning homes. The massive
casualties on the side of Ugrah’s horde still have not slowed its pace, and at
last the rich city of Corunglain falls to the mighty goblins. They promptly
sacked it and put it to the torch, as Ugrah presses on against the hated
humans and their halflings allies.
	Reports are now flooding the palaces of neighboring nations about Ethengar’s
stunning invasion of Ylaruam. It has become clear in Thyatis that the Great
Khan made a pact with Ugrah and then took this opportunity to turn upon the
rest of the Known World along with their Rockhome allies. The emperor wows
that they will pay dearly for this treachery. Before the end of the year, all
of Ylaruam has fallen to the Khan. His eager horsemen gleefully await the
invasion of the rich imperial lands while a dwarven army is settling just
outside of Darokin, a few miles from Selenica. The emperor recalls all
reinforcements on their way to Darokin while the rest of the imperial armies
prepare to defend their hallowed land.

TO BE CONTINUED

Bruce Heard

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:35:24 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

THE FALL OF GLANTRI

AC 1014, 1st Quarter: Glantri’s armies and its volunteer militias get wind of
the approaching horde and position themselves in the western marches.  Still
reeling from its disastrous war with Alphatia, Glantri is frantically trying
to recover. Judging from the extent of the enemy’s forces, Glantri sends all
available forces to the western marches. Several skirmishes take places as the
as the humanoids test the Glantrian defenses. Suspecting an impending
disaster, Prince Kol XIV of New Kolland secretly contacts Ugrah and cuts a
deal with him. Initially, Ugrah thinks little of the puny but arrogant kobold,
but after some reflection he believes the little runt would give him an easy
bridgehead into the Known World. He’d deal with him at a later time. Kol also
amuses the mighty Ugrah, so the goblin goes along with Kol’s proposal: Kol and
his humanoid supporters would side with Ugrah at a crucial moment of the
invasion, in exchange for which Kol would become the King of Glantri.
Glantrian lands would remain under his sovereign authority alone while he
would become Ugrah’s obedient and grateful vassal.

AC 1014, 2nd Quarter: Ugrah’s spies report that Glantri is a weakened nation.
Relying on this information and his secret kobold ally, Ugrah decides to split
his Thunderous War Horde. The northern horde immediately rides toward the
western borders of Wendar to prepare another invasion while the southern horde
immediately slams into Glantri without waiting. The battle is fierce and
bloody, but the Glantrians are slowly withdrawing, unable to contain the tide
of humanoids hurling themselves at their defenses regardless of casualties.
Soon, Sablestone is sacked and many slaves begin their long journey to Urzud.
Refugees fleeing before the terrifying goblin scourge swarm the roads between
Nouvelle Averoigne and the capital, hampering the movement of the Glantrian
armies. The princes are getting nervous and send messengers out in a desperate
quest for allies.

AC 1014, 3rd Quarter: In the wake of the Great War, the remainder of the
Alphatian army remained stranded in Selenica. They took over – a powerful and
independent mercenary army. The Darokinians were about to hurl their forces
against the Alphatian outlaws when news of the Glantrian disaster reached the
capital. Plans to retake Selenica are immediately shelved as the Darokinian
Army repositions itself at Corunglain. Glantrian envoys furiously negotiate
with Darokin for military help. Darokin hesitates, feeling that their present
position is more defensible. Aware of Darokin’s present quandary, the Great
Company secretly contacts the Great Khan of Ethengar. The Alphatians convince
the Great Khan to launch a surprise invasion of Glantri, arguing that it would
be in their best interest to hold the mountain passes in Glantri, thereby
stopping the goblins. If so, the Great Company would gladly provide their best
magical troops to support the Ethengarian assault. The Great Khan eagerly
accepts and begins to concentrate his own Golden Horde near Glantri. As
everyone gets prepared, the war rages on in Glantri and Ugrah approaches the
legendary city.
	Meanwhile beyond Glantri, Ugrah’s northern horde storms into the wide open
plains of Wendar. There, they run into the well-prepared Wendarian army
waiting for them. The horde falls into a skillfully-designed trap. Like steel
jaws, it snaps shut, cutting off the northern horde in half. The elves of
Wendar had judiciously positioned their cavalry forces in the woods north and
south of the humanoids’ invasion path. While veteran infantry bears the brunt
of the initial goblin onslaught, thousands of elite elven cavalry close in,
following a vast pincer movement. The battle lasts for days, but in the end
tens of thousands of orcs, goblins, and other unsavory creatures lie dead on
the battlefield while the remainder of their horde regroups near the western
border to lick their wounds.

Note: The Wolves of Heldann arrive in Glantri City with their prize, the
famous Sturmkondor, just about then.

AC 1014, 4th Quarter: Ugrah outmaneuvers the beleaguered Glantrian army. What
lies in the goblins’ quickly crumbles, while the remainder clings to the
northern principalities. Glantrian magic proves no match to the vast numbers
of fanatic humanoids. Ugrah’s Thunderous Horde soon reaches the capital and
prepares to storm its walls. News of a Darokinian relief force reach Ugrah.
Immediately, the mighty Voice of Kro-ee sends a secret signal to Kol who had
just "retreated" to the Broken Lands. The kobold prince announces his change
of heart, claiming it is for the best of Glantri, shortly after ambushing the
Darokinians in the Broken Lands. Not one Darokinian survives. The Glantrian
Princes are stunned, but not totally surprised.
Just about then, news of the Ethengarian invasion reaches Glantri. Indeed,
almost all communities near the Ethengarian border are begging for
reinforcements. The Boldavian army retreats behind Rymskigrad’s walls. For the
princes, the feeling that all is lost grows overwhelming. An envoy from Kol
addresses the Council of Glantri. His message is that he, and he alone can
prevent the humiliation of conquest and the destruction that only humanoids
would know to cause. He beseeches the princes to surrender the city to him
personally, at least to save the good people of the city from slaughter or
slavery, which will surely happen otherwise. He, King Kol of Glantri, Savior
of the People, swears to help and protect the good people of Glantri.
Demoralized, disorganized, and under intense popular pressure, the princes
reluctantly nod. At the news, the remaining Glantrian army quickly withdraws
northward, followed with long lines of half-starved refugees.
Days later, Kol arrives. Beyond the open gates lie deserted streets as
everyone fearfully barricaded themselves in their houses. Kol and his retinue
of warriors proudly ride into the silent city. Ugrah’s forces, true to their
master’s orders, stay out. Instead, Ugrah rushes his horde toward the
mountains separating them from the approaching Ethengarians, hoping to get to
the strategic passes before they do. Kol takes possession of his new royal
palace, and installs his throne in the main hall of the Grand Council’s
parliament. Not a soul awaits the new king. The Princes have all fled to
Wendar with their servants and their possessions.

Note: The Wolves of Heldann leave just when King Kol takes possession of his
new realm.

TO BE CONTINUED

Bruce Heard

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:37:44 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Shahjapur

    
> 
> Where in the HW is it?  It sounds familiar, I just can't put my finger on
> it.  I can't send pictures through my email service, so if you could give
> me your home address...?
> 
It's on one of the larger Islands east of the Merry Pirates. Shows up in
HWA 3: Nightstorm.
	Oh, and AA lives in Finland, so I don't know how easy it'd be to mail him
the info.

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:22:51 +0000
From: "Mike Harvey" <bing@iccom.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

> And I do see a difference between acronyms and such abbreviations as
> "SPQR".  Acronyms can usually be pronounced and actually replace the
> words that they represent in conversation.  On the other hand, "SPQR"
> has no obious pronunciation, but even illiterate Romans probably came
> to recognize that set of symbols and what it represented.

SCSI and SQL have no obvious prononciation either, but they have 
become the equivalent of acronyms among the technical community.

One good ancient example, though, would be "icthys", the greek word 
for fish and also an acronym to the early Christians.  It was well 
known among at least a segment of society and easily pronounceable.  
Also it seems like the Catholic church had lots of little 
abbreviations, some of which were almost certainly acronyms.  I seem 
to recall something like "INRI" though I don't know the meaning.

OTOH it seems like many of these abbreviations were arranged visually 
rather than verbally; a good example is the combined "Px" (I don't 
know what it means).  In our literate society, written forms tend to 
find their way into spoken speech.

FWIW, many of the Psalms (in the Bible) are arranged as acrostics, 
each line begins with a letter of the hebrew alphabet.  This is 
apparently a mnemonic device, like rhyme and meter are in English.

However, I agree with those who hate 'NACE'; it sounds *way* too 
modern.

Mike
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:31:54 +0000
From: "Mike Harvey" <bing@iccom.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

> Speaking for myself and millions of others, we tend to view the week (that is,
> the Western Industrial Workweek) as beginning on Monday and ending on Sunday,
> which has led to the term "Weekend." I would guess that in a more agrarian
> past, Sunday, or the Sabbath, might have been seen as the start of the week
> and that calander-printing is a throwback to those more Arcadian days.

The Sabbath was Saturday, the seventh day of the week, and Sunday was 
the first day.  The numbering (and concept of Sabbath) is taken from 
the old Hebrew calendar, and the regular weekday names are derived 
from Rome.  However I don't know how the Romans numbered the days.

Mike
 
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:22:06 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon

>I'm not sure if this has been discussed previously (before I joined the list
>in July), but how do you all handle the Night of the Red Moon (the event in
>Glantri where mages affected by the moon can go a little bit crazy)?  Is this
>a world-wide event or limited to Glantri (and thus perhaps somehow related to
>that little Nucleus of the Spheres thingee)?
>
>Thanks in advance....


Mystara's visible moon seems to have become my department -- what with all
the gobbledygook I've been clogging the MMB and Shawn's Archive with, about
Matera's interior!  Yes, there'll be something about the Red Moon
phenomenon (which only affects Glantri, AFAIK) in an upcoming post...
assuming I can ever finish giving/grading my anatomy students' lab finals,
and get back to my "Hollow Moon" creation.  :-)

And, yes:  barring anyone's offering a better explanation, it WILL have
plenty to do with the NoS.  (Good guess!)  It seems that Glantrians aren't
the ONLY folks who ever discovered the Nucleus' power -- it's been sitting
there for four or five thousand years, for cryin' out loud! -- and the ones
who'd been using it before, centuries before the Flaem came to Mystara,
weren't gonna let a little thing like getting relocated to Matera prevent
them from tapping into it!  ;-)

I'm still working on the whole story (and I really HATE posting
not-yet-finished material in public; it's the pedantic know-it-all in me
:-P).  But if you'd like to hear my preliminary concept, just send me a
private e-mail.  Maybe you'd be willing to help me sort out a big part of
the NoS's long-lost history...?  (Anybody is welcome to chip in, BTW, not
just Demmero; this HM project keeps taking loads more time than I ever
expected it too, and I'd sure appreciate others' help!)

Sharon, aka "Rotipher" of the MMB


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:03:40 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016

Woah. 

That was completely unexpected, and an interesting "other" world view than
what was played out in the Net-almanacs. 


Ethan


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:17:22 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The World in Flames

Very interesting, Bruce all of it...Although I do have one comment:

Why, for all the upheaval in the world in your timeline through those 
five years, did everything end up practically back where it had started? 
It takes away any feel of real development in Mystara and, I think, 
cheats the reader some. I, for one, would like to see a little less 
hedging on so sweeping a work...

Jenn
 

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:41:25 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font

Maybe it's cheaper to get a fonteditor and make a font that looks much like
the Feinen Bold (not exactly the same, of course, we don't want to violate
the copyright laws and that sort of thing) :-o

Kristian "X" Kramer
http://www.xanthus.demon.nl

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." (-:

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	stan [SMTP:shawn@leme.anu.edu.au]
> Sent:	Monday, December 07, 1998 9:18 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	[MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font
> 
> A little while back a hunt was on for the Feinen Bold gazetter font,
> but there seemed to be no resolution even though a site which had the
> font was found.  As a resolution to this earlier problem I was able to
> recieve a reply from the website with reference to the pricing of the
> font - and after picking myself up off the floor, after seeing the
> price, I thought I'd send the message on to this list.
> 
> >I assume you want the font for use in Windows 3.1/95/98/NT. (If not,
> please
> >advise).
> >The price for Feinen Bold alone is US$125.
> >
> >The price for the family (light, regular, bold, inline) is US$265.
> >
> >We can email the font to you after receipt of payment (visa/mastercard).
> 
> stan
> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:27:28 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: A New Monster for you]

That's a nice monster, let's see how my 1st level party likes it... :-)

Kristian "X" Kramer
http://www.xanthus.demon.nl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	au998@freenet.carleton.ca [SMTP:au998@freenet.carleton.ca]
> Sent:	Monday, December 07, 1998 5:03 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	[MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: A New Monster for you]
> 
>     ================= Begin forwarded message =================
> 
>     From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff")
>     To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'")
>     Subject: A New Monster for you
>     Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:37:05 -0500 
> 
>     
>     Lesser Servitor of Yurrgh-Thal
>     
>     Armour Class:  1
>     Hit Dice:  6** (L)
>     Move:  90' (30')
>     Attacks:  2 punches or 1 whip or 1 spew
>     Damage:  2d6/2d6 or 1d6+2 or special
>     No. Appearing:  1 (1d2)
>     Save As:  C6
>     Morale:  11
>     Treasure Type:  None
>     Intelligence:  13
>     Alignment:  Chaotic
>     XP Value:  725
>     
>     Lesser Servitors of Yurrgh-Thal are horrible beings.  Created by their
> foul
>     master, the Outer Being known as Yurrgh-Thal, Lord of the Worm That
> Gnaws,
>     they populate many dimensions existing outside the Prime.  Never very
>     numerous, the lesser servitors are physically more than a match for
> most
>     creatures their size (8' tall).
>     
>     In appearance they resemble burly humanoid figures, except that their
> bodies
>     are composed almost entirely of writhing worms and maggots.  No facial
>     features are apparent, but they do "see", and they are able to speak,
> though
>     their voices do not sound like those of any "normal" creature.  Also,
> an
>     unpleasant smell, not unlike that of rotting flesh, always accompanies
> them.
>     Though not deadly, this smell does force anyone within 15 feet of a
> lesser
>     servitor to make a Save vs. Poison or suffer a -1 penalty to all
> attack
>     rolls and skill checks, due to nausea.  Those that make the save are
> not
>     required to make another for a period of 24 hours.
>     Due to this odour, and the constant squelching sound when they move,
> lesser
>     servitors cannot surprise anyone.
>     
>     In combat, the lesser servitor is a deadly foe.  Possessing great
> strength,
>     they are able to deliver two powerful punches at one opponent.  In
> addition
>     to this, they can whip an opponent by extending one of the slithering
> worms
>     comprising their bodies, and they may spew at an opponent.  Once each
> round,
>     a lesser servitor may spew a stream of maggots at a foe, which, if it
> hits,
>     does 1d4 damage per round.  The victim will suffer this damage each
> round,
>     unless he or she spends three rounds brushing the maggots off.  There
> is no
>     limit to the amount of times a lesser servitor may do this.
>     
>     As with other servants of the Outer Beings, lesser servitors of
> Yurrgh-Thal
>     are vulnerable to those spells designed to combat such creatures.
> They are
>     also affected by evilbane essence, taking 1d6 damage if they come into
>     contact with it.
>     
>     
>     
> 
> --
> Geoff Gander, BA 97
> Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon
> Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog
> au998@freenet.carleton.ca
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:43:51 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

Ambreville@aol.com wrote:

> Hi all. . .
>
> Here's a series of posts about an alternative Known World timeline.

This is a really neat timeline!!!!!

> It had
> generated an interesting discussion on the MMB last October. I thought some of
> you would be interested or at least entertained. A few notes – the timeline is
> based upon some (non-canon) ideas that had come up on the MMB so you probably
> will have some questions

So we might be able to get more detail from the MMB? What was that address again?

Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com

Hey, you can point a web browser to that now, right? Man, I'll bet that makes the
old clunky thing run 10x better!!!!

Say...I wonder what a neh-thalguu ship would look like...

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:44:45 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1015

Now, these Wolves of Heldann you refer to, are they monsters or men? Would I be able to
find out more on the MMB?

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:45:44 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016

Hmm, the Grand Council huh? Has anyone been dealing with Alphatia and the Grand Council
on the MMB?

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:47:18 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1018

This Thyatis, as described, seems a little odd.  Almost...more Byzantine if you ask me.
Did someone do a Byzantine alternate Thyatis on the MMB?

Say, was it complete with artwork too?

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:52:36 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The World in Flames

I thought one of the best things about the timeline, was how it incorporated so
many elements that had been left out of the Almanacs.  For instance, whatever
happened to the Alphatian armies that had rolled through Thyatis? What happened
to the 1000 member Grand Council that had been air bombing Glantri?

As far as the Almanacs were concerned, they ceased to exist!

Jennifer Favia wrote:

> Very interesting, Bruce all of it...Although I do have one comment:
>
> Why, for all the upheaval in the world in your timeline through those
> five years, did everything end up practically back where it had started?
> It takes away any feel of real development in Mystara and, I think,
> cheats the reader some. I, for one, would like to see a little less
> hedging on so sweeping a work...
>
> Jenn
>
>
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mystara-digest       Tuesday, December 8 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 741



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - Thyatian week days
[MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: FELMONT
[MYSTARA] - Hi People!
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!
Re: [MYSTARA] - The World in Flames
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!
Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatian week days
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1015
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!
Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:28:27 CET
From: "Herve Musseau" <herve@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Thyatian week days

So, in RW days are named after Gods, the Romans (almost wrote 
Thyatians;) ones for Latine tongues and the Norse ones for Germanic 
tongues.
And the planets are named after the Roman gods too.

Hmm, I don't know for you, but since we already named the planets of the 
Mystaran solar system after the Immortals, well....

Can someone dig up that post about planet names, so we can come up with 
something fun?

BTW, do we know the name of the days in Alphatian? And have we 
established names for the planets in Alphatian?

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 05:33:37 PST
From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" <gallidox@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: FELMONT

FELMONT 7, AC 1015: Papalotl's Fame Grows.
   Location: Throughout Azca.  HW

   Description: Papalotl's reputation grows as he travels the Azcan 
lands helping those in need of guidance and preaching the principles of 
Atruatzin to the common folk.  He is said to having aided a peasant in 
getting a wagon unstuck, sharing a meal with a fellow traveler, 
repairing a farmer's plow, or aiding an injured peasant.  His face is 
known throughout Azca, but each area, and each person who has seen him, 
reports a different face.  Stories telling of his actions say he uses 
magic, both clerical and otherwise, but that he moves as quietly and 
skillfully as the great jaguar, and fights like the greatest of the 
dinosaurs.  (See Ya. 10, Kl. 4; Fe. 16, Fe. 21.)


FELMONT 16, AC 1015: A Dagger Disappears.
   Location: Chitlacan, Azca.  HW

   Description: A sacrificial ceremony at the temple of Atzanteotl has 
to be stopped as the sacrificial dagger proves to be missing.  Rumors 
persist that Papalotl entered the temple and stole the knife.  (See Kl. 
4, Fe. 7; Fe. 21, Fe. 22.)


FELMONT 20, AC 1015: A Stalemate.
   Location: Southwest of Inun, Nithia.  HW

   Description: After several weeks of hard campaigning, Senkha's forces 
manage to push the mysterious invaders back towards the shores of Lake 
Menkor.  Only the villages of Inun and Absu, and the territory in 
between, are controlled by the strange invaders.  Despite the best 
efforts of the numerically superior Nithians, they cannot dislodge the 
enemy.  Some commanders begin to suspect that the invaders may be 
receiving support from the locals, as the entire coastal region has long 
been known as a strong supporter of Ramose, and any force who threatens 
Senkha might receive their aid.  (See Kl. 3, Kl. 10; Am. 19, Ka. 15.)

   What This Means: Although Senkha's forces have managed to turn back 
the invasion, they remain unable to destroy this last stronghold of the 
invaders.  The fact that the locals are now suspected of colluding with 
the invaders will go badly against the commoners in the region.


FELMONT 21, AC 1015: Another Sacrifice Disruption.
   Location: Chitlacan, Azca.  HW

   Description: Another sacrifice is disrupted as the victim is being 
brought to the altar: the slab tumbles over.  Reports of someone filling 
one of the many descriptions of Papalotl are noted as being in the 
crowd.  (See Fe. 7, Fe. 16; Fe. 22, Fe. 27.)


FELMONT 22, AC 1015: Azcans Chase Papalotl.
   Location: Throughout Azca.  HW

   Description: Azcan authorities begin attempts to capture the heretic 
Papalotl and any followers of the New Way.  The priests of Atzanteotl do 
not yet fully realize the seriousness of the situation however and their 
first attempt fails.  Some followers of the New Way are arrested and 
sacrificed, though many innocent Azcans are sacrificed as well.  (See 
Fe. 16, Fe. 21; Fe. 27, Fy. 2.)

   What This Means: The priesthood are upset by Papalotl's bold actions 
in their main temple, and by the popular support he is gaining.  They 
vowed to eradicate this growing threat to their power and that of their 
patron.


FELMONT 22, AC 1015: The Immortals Intervene.
   Location: Andaire, Jafilia, Alphatia.  HW

   Description: While Empress Eriadna is having her daily lunch with the 
Kubitts, a servant interrupts her.  She is informed that several clerics 
have arrived and wish to speak with her.  Eriadna tells the servant to 
inform the clerics that she will meet with them after she finishes her 
meal.  The servant leaves, but quickly returns, stating that the clerics 
insist that the matter is of extreme importance and concerns Zandor.  
Eriadna sends the servant to bring them to her.
    The clerics arrive and with a suspicious look at the Kubitts, enact 
the customary formalities.  Eriadna introduces them to the Kubitts, 
telling the clerics that they are an example of the people from the 
world below and that they have their origins with Alphatia.  She adds 
that they are well aware of Zandor from their own investigations in 
Haldemar.
   The clerics accept this explanation and proceed.  They tell the 
empress that clerics of Alphatia and Koryis have both received visions 
from their respective Immortals.  The visions revealed to them that 
Zandor is out of Neatharum and is terrorizing a group of elves.  They 
tell of the pacifist nature of the elves and that they will not defend 
themselves.  The clerics add that their Immortals act as patrons of 
these elves and desire that they continue unmolested.
   Eriadna asks what the clerics want her to do.  They tell her that 
they need a means to travel down to the ground below.  There, they will 
organize a party of loyal Alphatians to seek Zandor out and bring him to 
justice.  She approves the clerics' request for transportation.  Eriadna 
suggests that these elves and the Alphatians should also develop 
relations: since they are defenseless, why not have Alphatia act as 
their protectors.  She points out the symbolism in Alphatians aiding 
peoples with an Alphatian Immortal.  She adds that "The Empire takes 
care of its own."  (See Kl. 2, Kl. 24; Fy. 14, Am. 8.)

   What This Means: Since his arrival in the lands of the Gentle Folk, 
Zandor has slain several elves.  These deaths have been noticed by the 
Gentle Folk's patron Immortals, Alphatia and Koryis.  Fearful that an 
extended stay by Zandor could cause great harm to the Gentle Folk, even 
though he could never completely destroy them thanks to the Spell of 
Preservation, they have contacted their clerics and tasked them with 
removing the threat.  That Zandor is a criminal of the Empire aids them 
as it garners Imperial support for the venture, as Eriadna is of course 
very open to the idea of taking Zandor into custody.  Since the Kubitts 
are aware of him she allowed them to remain.  That decision paid off 
when the Gentle Folk were brought up: by offering to act as protectors 
for them, she has planted a similar idea in the minds of the Kubitts.


FELMONT 27, AC 1015: Papalotl in Fairyland.
   Location: Jungle near Xotitlan, Azca.  HW

   Description: After a meeting in the town of Xotitlan, in which he 
denounces the sacrifices conducted by the priests of Atzanteotl, 
Papalotl, nearing capture by the Azcan priests and military, finds 
refuge in fairyland, where he meets Xochiquetzal.  The fairy queen 
recognizes Papalotl for who he really is, and invites him to stay with 
her for as long as he wishes.  The two become lovers.  (See Fe. 21, Fe. 
22; Fy. 2, Fy. 6.)




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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 05:35:51 PST
From: "Mehmet Baykara" <balin2@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!

Hi dear brothers;
I've joined the list on this week and I'm sure we'll talk a lot about 
Mystara.Well,me and three of my friends here are playing a big campaign 
im Mystara (AD&d) and we really love the world(I'M the DM).
Now comes my first question in the list!!!

I wonder what the hollow world or Blackmmor is.Because we play only in 
Known World I haven't got any idea.And where can I find books about 
them?

Thanks for help!!!


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:40:38 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

> Very interesting, Bruce all of it...Although I do have one comment:
> Why, for all the upheaval in the world in your timeline through those 
> five years, did everything end up practically back where it had started? 
> It takes away any feel of real development in Mystara and, I think, 
> cheats the reader some. I, for one, would like to see a little less 
> hedging on so sweeping a work... [Jenn]

Thanks. Good question about the development direction. There are several ways
to approach this. You can, as you point out above, give everything a good kick
in the pants and let the chip fall where they may. You can also treat it more
like a TV series where pretty much everything goes, but in the end you have to
preserve the basic setting itself.
	I don't mind either way but there are readers who definitely hate it when
their favorite setting gets permanently trashed and redesigned. Some changes
still take place as the result of this timeline, but the Known World setting
remains more or less what it was before. Your comment focuses on the "outcome"
of the timeline. However, this outcome merely is a "snapshot" in the history
of the Known World. It is valid at the end of AC 1019 (less than 100 days).
Who knows what is about to happen in AC 1020? I could see more upheaval on the
way. I think it's good to fall on your feet once in a while, but what happens
in between remains up to anyone's imagination!

Furthermore, there is something as "excessive development". As long as
everyone has read and remembers what happened we're fine. But when you so
radically change a setting, there comes a time a lot of readers lose track of
the development -- not to mention those who were not present when the changes
were posted. Their "favorite" setting becomes somewhat or totally alien to
them and further discussions break down because the common ground (canon
Mystara) is no longer there to talk about. For example, changing borders is a
logical and historical result of political and military events, but I
generally stay away from this, especially now that Mystara is out of print,
because this means redesigning a lot of maps. Most net-readers just don't have
the capability of redoing their maps (and I certainly don't have the time or
the "technology" to do a job that I find acceptable, quality-wise). 

Bruce Heard
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:40:31 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

> Woah. 
> That was completely unexpected, and an interesting "other" world view than
> what was played out in the Net-almanacs.  [Ethan]

I figured I would drop this off here since the thread is now done on TSR's MMB
site. I suspect a fair number of MML members have not visited the MMB or
cannot for whatever technical reason. Glad you find it interesting. :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:35:18 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!

Balin2...welcome to the list!

	I don't want to give away too much, so my answers to your questions will be
brief and rather vague  :)

	Blackmoor was an ancient Mystaran civilization that discovered a "foreign"
technology, which eventually resulted in its destruction (and the reshaping of
the entire planet).  It is covered in the DA series of D&D adventures.

	The Hollow World details Mystara's inner surface realms.  You see, the planet
isn't a solid sphere...it's more like a balloon with openings at its polar
caps.  Its inner world--the Hollow World--is sort of a museum set up by the
Immortals to preserve various cultures that were in danger of becoming extinct
on the outer world.  This setting is detailed in the various HW series of D&D
products.

	Unfortunately, both the DA and HW product lines are out of print and may be
difficult to find....
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:23:18 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The World in Flames

     
> 
> Why, for all the upheaval in the world in your timeline through those 
> five years, did everything end up practically back where it had started? 
> It takes away any feel of real development in Mystara and, I think, 
> cheats the reader some. I, for one, would like to see a little less 
> hedging on so sweeping a work...
> 
	While, for all the reasons Bruce already explained, the borders of the
various nations remain pretty much unchanged (with only slight, rather than
drastic shifts; but then that's more common in midieval/renaissance
anyhow), a lot of things end up significantly different. Perhaps most
noitably the situation in Ylaruam.
	A couple things were discussed there, for example; how the Kin faction
reacts to foreign domination of Ylaruam, and how that might be fit into a
scenario where the Vyalia elves are slagged off because "their" portion of
the Dymrak went to Machetos rather than the Elven County, and how that
itself fits into a elven cabal in Karameikos.
	And then there was this "minor" benificial/horrible (depending on who's
perspective you prefer) artifact that the Ylari could find to "liberate"
themselves from domination by "foreign devils". . .some time down the line
(I.E. more oportunity for intrigue and subterfuge. I can imagin adventures
where a party of PCs are either trying to locate the artifact so that the
Kin faction can free Ylaruam. . .perhaps with the help of a well-known
time-traveling desert sage and freedom-fighter, or perhaps to prevent the
same and "keep the peace so hard won" and "prevent further bloodshead").
	And that's just one example. Thus, at the ending point of this timeline,
Ylaruam is certainly not the same place as it is at the begining. Neither
is Karameikos, or Glantri, etc.

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:44:51 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Geoff Gander wrote:

> Herve wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere that Thursday and Friday in English
> supposedly came from the Norse influence - such that Thursday is Thor's
> Day (or Thunder day - Donnerstag), and Friday was Frey's Day.  Don't know
> if this is true, but it's interesting....

Okay, here is my take on the Norwegian Days:
Sunday=Søndag: The Suns day
Monday=Mandag: Day of the Moon
Tuesday=Tirsday: Tyr's Day (After the Norse God Tyr)
Wednesday=Onsdag: Odin's Day
Thursday=Torsdag: Thor's Day
Friday=Fredag: Frey's Day
Saturday= Lørdag: Cleaning Day/Washing Day

The English adopted the names of some of the days, but I dont know if they
were aware of the meaning of the days at that time.

This doesnt really have anything to do with Mystara does it?

Håvard

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:15:11 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Mehmet Baykara wrote:

> I wonder what the hollow world or Blackmmor is.Because we play only in 
> Known World I haven't got any idea.And where can I find books about 
> them?

Welcome to the list! 

Anyway, The World of Mystara is a hollow sphere. The hollow world is the
inside surface of that sphere, populated by ancient and esoteric races. 

Blackmoor is(was) a highly advanced technological civilization that
destroyed itself about 5000 years bfore the present (~AC1016)

Ethan


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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:52:33 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatian week days

>Can someone dig up that post about planet names, so we can come up with 
>something fun?

Marco did the planets for the list, IIRC. But please also check out my 
alternate solar system, which takes into account the elven-named planets 
from Tree of Life:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/solarsystem.html

>BTW, do we know the name of the days in Alphatian? And have we 
>established names for the planets in Alphatian?

Lunadain - Majhur
Gromdain - Tijhur
Tserdain - Wojhur
Moldain - Thajhur
Nytdain - Flajhur
Loshdain - Sejhur
Soladain - Lahjur

Let me just add here that I don't particularly like the Alphatian day 
names, since (with the exception of Lahjur) they look and sound 
conspicuously like the days of the week in English.

Jenn
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:54:57 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

Excellent work!

This has thrown me into a nasty dilemma. Should I use this, or tha
Almanacs? The best sollution is probably to use what I like out of both
and add my own ideas.

I do have some questions though, being one of those who havent been using
the MMB. 

Who are the Great Company?

There was a mention of an alternate Heldannic Timeline..where can I find
this?

Who are the Wolves of Heldann?

Skyriders is a nice touch. Never heard of them before but it makes sense
that the Khan would have these guys. However, shouldnt the Retebius be
more powerful? They used to have Dragons and other beasties according to
Dawn of the Emperors..

I liked the Black Jacks and especially Lord Night. This is perhaps one of
the most dramatic results of the war and it makes Fenswick way more
interesting.

WDL.
I understand that you have chosen to use the Western Defence League, but I
must say I strongly dislike it. It sounds way too modern for my taste.
Anyway, that part is actually quite easy to remove.

Some things I'd have liked to be different:
Karameikos: I didnt like what happened to Stefan. I'm glad something
happened though, but IMC Stefan -is- Halav. Any ideas on how to to
change/explain events to fit this concept?

Ylaruam: well, you explained this in your reply to Jenn, but IMC I'd let
Thyatis remain in control of Ylaruam....

Alfheim: Seems to be left out of the picture. What happened to the elves
in your story? I mean the Shadoweveles are there alright, but whatabout
the Alfheim Avengers?

Another thing you didnt mention is whatever happened to Rad...did you
leave him out on purpose?

oookie...long one..

Thanks,
Håvard

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:59:32 -0700 (MST)
From: John Hare <wabbit@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1015

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:

> Now, these Wolves of Heldann you refer to, are they monsters or men? Would I be able to
> find out more on the MMB?
	The Wolves of Heldann are men that come from the alternate
Heldannic Knight timeline. Basically during a reorganization of the Orders
principles one of the warbirds mutinied and the crew captured the ship.
Being that those who mutinied where conscripted Heldann natives they
started attacking Heldannic intrests.
	They also replaced their skygem with a Glantri hull enchantment to
allow their ship to fly.

Some of this alternate timeline can be found on stan's site. 
www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304

John

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:09:33 -0700 (MST)
From: John Hare <wabbit@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, [iso-8859-1] Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:

> Who are the Great Company?
	The Great Company is the remenants of the Alphatian Expititionary
Force that was marching towards Glantri when Alphatia sunk. Many of the
members left but a significant portion stayed together and became a large
band of mercs.

> Skyriders is a nice touch. Never heard of them before but it makes sense
> that the Khan would have these guys. However, shouldnt the Retebius be
> more powerful? They used to have Dragons and other beasties according to
> Dawn of the Emperors..
	The Retebius Air Force got hit rather hard by the remaining
Alphatian airships in the WotI, as such when rebuilding the idea was to
focus on one flying mount to standardize training, caring, etc. Plus
dragons are harder to come by the wyverns were.


> I liked the Black Jacks and especially Lord Night. This is perhaps one of
> the most dramatic results of the war and it makes Fenswick way more
> interesting.
	They did make an impressive appearance!

> Some things I'd have liked to be different:
	There were a few suggestions as to things to change, but
effectively what it comes down to is doing the adjusting ourselves.

John Hare


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:14:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

> On the flip-side of this coin, the folks at TSR may have thought that if they
> could get the OD&D group to switch to AD&D, these folks would probably buy (at
> least) a DMG, PHB, MM, and maybe the Karameikos boxed set...that's $100 U.S.
> right there...    $$$  Cha-CHING!!!  $$$

Well, if that was their plan, it didn't work with me.  It just convinced
me they could care less about what I like and interesting world
development.  I don't think I've bought a new AD&D product since Mystara
was murdered.  And with the quality of the stuff this list turns out, why
should I?


- -Mischa (who finished his last final of the semester today.  WOO!  One
more semester and I graduate)

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:22:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!

> 	Unfortunately, both the DA and HW product lines are out of print and may be
> difficult to find....

The Mystara FAQ, posted ?monthly? around here, lists good locations at
which to find out of print materials. Some are hard to track down but
products I've really wanted I've been able to find.

- -Mischa

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:29:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!

> I've joined the list on this week and I'm sure we'll talk a lot about 
> Mystara.

I'm sure we will too.  The list has been around around 3 years now and
doesn't show any signs of slowing.

> Well,me and three of my friends here are playing a big campaign 
> im Mystara (AD&d) and we really love the world(I'M the DM).

There's alot of good Mystara material for normal D&D if you want to go
through the pains of converting it.  If your game is primarily
dice/stat-based, I don't recommend.  If it's plot heavy, it'd be a good
bet.

> I wonder what the hollow world or Blackmmor is.
> Known World I haven't got any idea.And where can I find books about 
> them?

Blackmoor - DA1, DA2, DA3, DA4, especially the first - DA4 probably has
the second most background material.  Judges Guild put out a Blackmoor
piece as well and Dave Arneson's First Fantasy Campaign covers this too I
*think*

The Hollow World - The HW boxed set is WONDERFUL IMO.  HWR1,HWR2,HWR3 are
of mixed quality (3's my fave) and there are two or three HWAs (modules). 

All are out of print but I don't think they should be THAT hard to find.

Also, TONS of good fan-produced stuff on both can be found by wandering
around http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/


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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 19:23:57 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

> I think this is a really good idea. Not only do we avoid to have the
> Immortals stamping in, we also get a nice Ostlander expedition, ´ala Leiv
> Erikssons discovery of America/Vinland.
> Come to think of it, Expeditions by sea might be easier to accomplish
that
> those by Air ships, because of the Antimagic field.
> 
> Håvard


But the main problem is that the sea arounf the polar holes are frozen. 
So you can sail with a ship through it. Additionally I've got the
impression that this region is very big, so the usual northmen's tactic of
drawing their ships wouldn't work.





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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:26:07 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

> However, the HW set specifically states that "whole villages" were
transferred. Unless those villages were populated solely by men, I assume
their non-pirating wives and children were also transferred along (else how
the Ostlander pirates were going to be preserved? :)


Hm, this "whole villages" thing had slipped me until it was too late, but
nevertheless I don't believe that the pure Ostlander's culture was
preserved. Although this is normally the task of the Hollow World the
transit was part of a special project to create a pirate society - with
special regulations.



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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:33:57 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

>   German has Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch, 
> Donnerstag, Freitag, Samstag, Sonntag, which is very close to English 
> words (except for Mittwoch which means half week, the rest has exactly 
> the same pattern). Freitag/Friday is a free day (why?). For some reason 
> Donnerstag/Thursday makes me think to thunder day (well, not without a 
> reason, Donner does mean thunder). Anyone good at etymology (or with a 
> good book)?

Well, AFAIK "Donnerstag" or "Thursday" comes from Donar or Thor, the
German/Norse God of Thunder, and "Freitag"/"Friday" from Frey/Freya.





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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:34:58 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

> Kristian Kramer wrote:
> > 
> > In Holland the first day of the week is Sunday, but I have a calendar
from
> > Japan and on this one the first day of the week is monday...
> > 
> 
> I'm from Holland too, and for me, the week starts on monday...
> 
> Frank


Is it a regional or a religious dispute?




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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:42:36 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

     
> 
> Some things I'd have liked to be different:
> Karameikos: I didnt like what happened to Stefan. I'm glad something
> happened though, but IMC Stefan -is- Halav. Any ideas on how to to
> change/explain events to fit this concept?
> 
Considering that it is mostly "bad" stuff towards the end, things that
paint Stefan in an unflattering light, I'd say it would be dificult.
However, you could keep the early, oportunistic stuff and insure that the
"negative outcomes" don't occur. That may mess up some of the other events
that are interconected (especially the treaty), however, as well as IMO
spoiling potential future intrigues. But, if IYC Stefan is a "infalable"
Immortal, then of course no real interesting cabals, civil wars, and
intrigues are possible.

> Ylaruam: well, you explained this in your reply to Jenn, but IMC I'd let
> Thyatis remain in control of Ylaruam....
> 
Well, I had a different outcome, which perhaps you'll find somewhat more
useful: instead of winning big, Thyatis just manages to "liberate" a small
portion of Ylaruam: Dysethentia and Nicosentia. The Ethengari keep a puppet
Sultan on the throne in the rest of Ylaruam (Kin faction, happy enough with
the Ethengari because at least they're good, honorable warrior types rather
than decadent folk; of course the Kin "puppet" Sultan has his own scheme;
he hopes to convert the Ethengari and eventually put them under *his*
sway). Where was I?
	Oh, yah: rather than simply absorbing Nicosentia and Dysethentia as
expected, Eusebius, a practical and deft schemer, puts Ylari Emirs
favorable to the Preceptor faction in control, and Thyatis dominates the
two "free" Emirates as Client States rather than occupied zones (then you
get all kinds of intrigue in Ylaruam as the various participants try to
outmanuver each other politically).
	Bruce's timeline keeps the intrigue factor high, though, so while I
quibbled, I find it eminently usable (in that a lot of contravluted
scheming adventures can come out of both outcomes).

> Alfheim: Seems to be left out of the picture. What happened to the elves
> in your story? I mean the Shadoweveles are there alright, but whatabout
> the Alfheim Avengers?
> 
They were quiet, true. Probably organizing. Note that they could make
appearances later (see the hinting indicators that I put in my previous
response, to Jenn, about what might come next). Various "freedom fighters"
cooperating, sureptitiously (and temporarily. . .)

> Another thing you didnt mention is whatever happened to Rad...did you
> leave him out on purpose?
> 
He got absorbed in WotI. Hasn't made a re-appearance (yet).


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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:01:21 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - test

test

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Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
[MYSTARA] - mail server break down?
Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
[MYSTARA] - My page
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - Elf-cleric Xps (for ODND)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
RE: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1018
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames
[MYSTARA] - Re: A World in Flames -- AC 1015
Re: [MYSTARA] - Absent players
[MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell: Wynter's Conjured Companion
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:19:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Curtis <ac2@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

Me again,

Forgot about Tuesday.  Indeed it is Tyr's Day like in
Norwegian.

Adam
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:14:05 +0100
From: Cobaye <Frederic.DeLaval@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - mail server break down?

Hi everybody
I've had a little problem on my mail server. It's break down.
So i hadn't any message since Tue 19h56 Greenwich mean time, last posted
by James Ruhland.
Does someone can send me the mail since?
Thanks,

Fred"Cobaye"de Laval.

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 06:59:03 PST
From: "paul dooley" <ezaqwazy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - DMing Skills

>     
>> wishes? Give and take is always nice -- after all the role of the DM 
is
>to
>> entertain his/her players and not to be a tyrant. :o)
>> 
>It isn't?
>	Boy, now I'm disillusioned. 8-)~

Well I`M out of a job!


Hamlet   1,v,166

                          Paul


                          


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:22:49 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 1998-12-08 14:32:07 Eastern Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

> > Another thing you didnt mention is whatever happened to Rad...did you
>  > leave him out on purpose?
>  > 
>  He got absorbed in WotI. Hasn't made a re-appearance (yet).

But this timeline starts in AC 1014 -- by this point Etienne should be
back in power and publicly acknowledged as such.

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:17:23 CST
From: "Ceaf Lewis" <lordceaf@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - My page

Hey,
I have an RPG page (address below) and I want it to be one of the very 
best RPG pages there is. However, I need some OD&D stuff to put on 
there, and if you could give me any help with this, I'd be very 
grateful. Also, feel free to visit.



Ceaf Lewis
                              lordceaf@hotmail.com
Visit my web page at:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/9442


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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:46:35 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:

>
> Who are the Great Company?

The remnants of the Great Council of Alphatia.

>
>
> There was a mention of an alternate Heldannic Timeline..where can I find
> this?

Check out the MMB!

>
>
> Who are the Wolves of Heldann?

They are a breakaway group of Heldannic Knights.  Read more on the MMB!

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:02:53 PST
From: "paul dooley" <ezaqwazy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elf-cleric Xps (for ODND)

>> IIrc there were some rules put forward in `VPA` which ewere about 
elven 
>>  clerics. They advanced on cleric table and gained all abilities 
thereof 
>>  instead of standard elven abilities or something similar.
>
>So what is "VPA"?

Voyage of the Princes Ark which was a series of articles written by 
Bruce Heard in dragon magazine153-200 ish.


Hamlet   1,v,166

                          Paul


                          


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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 06:43:02 PST
From: "paul dooley" <ezaqwazy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

>I agree. I mean, not every single HW Ostlander is a pirate. Many (like 
the pirates' families) still live in their villages, following their 
traditional ways. After all, there are Makai living among the Pirates 
too, and they are preserves as they were originally.
>
Well there`s the `spell of preservation` which would move their culture 
to a more piratical outlook. The old ways would still be there but 
somewhat buried. Same sort of thing took place with the Azcan. BTW sorry 
this is so late seems I came out of hospital too early. At least the 
drunk who hit me didn`t wake up again. 


Hamlet   1,v,166

                          Paul


                          


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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:15:23 +0100 
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

I don't know, maybe historical vs. modern?   :-)

Kristian Kramer

"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't..."

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jamuga Khan [SMTP:JamugaKhan@gmx.net]
> Sent:	Monday, December 07, 1998 8:35 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
> 
> > Kristian Kramer wrote:
> > > 
> > > In Holland the first day of the week is Sunday, but I have a calendar
> from
> > > Japan and on this one the first day of the week is monday...
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm from Holland too, and for me, the week starts on monday...
> > 
> > Frank
> 
> 
> Is it a regional or a religious dispute?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                              Jamuga Khan
> 
> 
> 
> "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law."
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:58:34 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1018

In a message dated 1998-12-07 23:52:33 Eastern Standard Time,
Ambreville@aol.com writes:

> Disagreements flare up and hands are inching
>  closer to daggers and swords. Suddenly, the whole assembly grows quiet as a
>  dignified military figure steps in. Emperor Eusebius walks up to the table,
>  lays down his sword upon it, and quietly stares at everyone. In a stern 
> voice, he says finally, "We need to talk."

This is my nomination for best Mystaran cliffhanger ever!
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:15:06 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

>> Karameikos: I didnt like what happened to Stefan. I'm glad something
>> happened though, but IMC Stefan -is- Halav. Any ideas on how to to
>> change/explain events to fit this concept?
>>
>Considering that it is mostly "bad" stuff towards the end, things that
>paint Stefan in an unflattering light, I'd say it would be dificult.
>However, you could keep the early, oportunistic stuff and insure that the
>"negative outcomes" don't occur. That may mess up some of the other events
>that are interconected (especially the treaty), however, as well as IMO
>spoiling potential future intrigues. But, if IYC Stefan is a "infalable"
>Immortal, then of course no real interesting cabals, civil wars, and
>intrigues are possible.


Immortals...?!  "Infallible" IMMORTALS...?!?  Are you kidding me!?!

>ROTFLMAO!<  :-D

C'mon ... the Immortals we know and love make a career out of being
ham-handed!  Their whole lives are wrapped up in launching half-baked
schemes, then frantically scrambling to perform "damage control" when their
circumstances or rivals sabotage their plans.  Even if Stefan IS an avatar
of Halav in a given campaign, that doesn't mean he can't screw up --
royally -- once in a while.

After all, if Mystara's Immortals were infallible/omnipotent/never made
mistakes, they wouldn't BE Immortals: they'd be "untouchable" deities, like
those of AD&D worlds.  And how much personality or exitement would they
contribute to a campaign, then?  ;-)



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:58:31 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016

Excellent so far -- although I must admit that I found the idea of King 
Stefan granting free passage to the Khan a bit hard to believe.  

Also, another touch that might be worth including in this timeline would
be for Eusebius (in answer to Stefan's misgivings about helping Thyatis
in this war) to formally recognize the independence of Karameikos.  Of
course, given the Thyatian reputation for treachery, it is likely that King
Stefan remains suspicious and that events continue along the course
already outlined....
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:29:41 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

This is a most interesting start to your story -- I can hardly wait to read 
the rest of it.  However, if you do decide to post it somewhere (please do!),
I have one minor correction:

In a message dated 1998-12-07 23:51:46 Eastern Standard Time,
Ambreville@aol.com writes:

> AC 1013: The Thunderous War Horde with its multitude of Othwa goblins and
>  their cohort of allied and submitted humanoid tribe at long last reaches
the
>  Wildlands, just east of Wendar and Glantri. Thousands of drums herald the
>  marching the Thunderous Hordes.

I assume that you mean WEST of Wendar and Glantri?
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:15:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Curtis <ac2@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of Thyatian weekdays

Havard wrote:

>Okay, here is my take on the Norwegian Days:
Sunday=Søndag: The Suns day
Monday=Mandag: Day of the Moon
Tuesday=Tirsday: Tyr's Day (After the Norse God Tyr)
Wednesday=Onsdag: Odin's Day
Thursday=Torsdag: Thor's Day
Friday=Fredag: Frey's Day
Saturday= Lørdag: Cleaning Day/Washing Day

The English adopted the names of some of the days,
but I dont know if they were aware of the meaning of
the days at that time. <

Some more answers.

The present English names for weekdays extend back to
the very first Anglo-Saxon-Jute settlements in
England. These people, as a scion of Norse/Germannic
culture, worshipped the same Gods, but they sometimes
referred to them with slightly different names.

Here's how it breaks down to the best of my knowledge:

Sunday = Sun's Day
Monday = Moon's Day
Wednesday = Woden's Day (Woden their word for Odin)
Thursday = Thor's Day
Friday = Frey's Day

Now Saturday is an oddity.  The English and Norwegian
names are essentially the same in meaning . . .
except for Saturday.

I don't know exactly why this change came about, but
I can make a good guess.  English Bishops made a
concerted effort over several centuries to romanize
English, a Germannic language (yes, there the ones
that made the Verbal SAT hell for American students
;) .  One thing they probably did was make the
seventh day (or sixth day in most other countries)
into Saturday, literally Saturn's Day.  Yes, Saturn,
the Roman God of time and the equivalent of the Greek
Chronos.

> This doesnt really have anything to do with Mystara
does it? <

No . . . but Herve's right about this being
interesting :)

But if we do need to relate it, then its safe to say
that given the real world pattern, there's incredible
amount of crossover in the naming of days, or at
least the pattern of the names in relative geographic
regions.  Mystara need not be dramatically different
here, especially since that trademark "Common" is
spoken just about everywhere by almost everyone

Adam

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:22:44 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

In a message dated 1998-12-08 00:27:41 Eastern Standard Time, bing@iccom.com
writes:

> SCSI and SQL have no obvious prononciation either, but they have 
>  become the equivalent of acronyms among the technical community.

SCSI is usually pronounced "scuzzy", so it does have an obvious
pronunciation....

>  One good ancient example, though, would be "icthys", the greek word 
>  for fish and also an acronym to the early Christians.  It was well 
>  known among at least a segment of society and easily pronounceable.  
>  Also it seems like the Catholic church had lots of little 
>  abbreviations, some of which were almost certainly acronyms.  I seem 
>  to recall something like "INRI" though I don't know the meaning.

It stood for "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" in Latin.
  
>  OTOH it seems like many of these abbreviations were arranged visually 
>  rather than verbally; a good example is the combined "Px" (I don't 
>  know what it means).

Reverse the letters and interpret them as Greek and they make 
sense -- X=Chi and P=Rho, so the combination is "Chr", the 
first letters of "Christos" or "Christ".

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:41:00 -0500
From: "DJ Sahlas" <dsahla@po-box.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames

Wow -

    That was a good read!  My hat goes off to you once again, Sir Bruce.
I'm sure if you ever decided to write a full-length novel set in Mystara,
you'd have us all clamoring for advance copies!

    I now have so many "alternate" timelines for post-1013 Mystara that the
depth and scope of my campaigns will never be the same.  The net-almanacs,
your own timeline, other people's take on world events: each of these reveal
a new aspect of the world.

    We may quibble about "canonicity", but I'm sure many of you realize that
the MML has really succeeded in doing what we set out to do - flesh out this
setting.  When my PCs meet an NPC, I have a good idea of how that PC would
act in a given scenario, because I've read so many alternate world
histories!  Likewise the direction that certain countries follow, the
possibilities of PC actions leading to world-shattering events, even just
having so many pieces of knowledge floating around makes the art of DMing
that much easier.

    Thanks

    Jim Sahlas

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:08:48 +1100
From: stan <shawn@leme.anu.edu.au>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: A World in Flames -- AC 1015

>On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:
>
>> Now, these Wolves of Heldann you refer to, are they monsters or men?
Would I be able to
>> find out more on the MMB?
>	The Wolves of Heldann are men that come from the alternate
>Heldannic Knight timeline. Basically during a reorganization of the Orders
>principles one of the warbirds mutinied and the crew captured the ship.
>Being that those who mutinied where conscripted Heldann natives they
>started attacking Heldannic intrests.
>	They also replaced their skygem with a Glantri hull enchantment to
>allow their ship to fly.
>
>Some of this alternate timeline can be found on stan's site. 
>www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304

I'd rather hope that all of the alternate timeline can be found there.
For those who might be confused about the indexing of the pages I'll
take this time to explain my logic using these two examples 

1) all the Heldannic stuff
2) the World in Flames stuff

1) The Heldannic stuff is all about the Heldannic Territories and so
is listed under the geography section (basically anything which is closely
linked to any one place can usually be found in the geography section).
Going by my definitions on the geography page the Heldannic Territories is
located in the area of Mystara known as the Known World.  Here the seperate
countries are listed by alphabetical order and so the Heldannic Territories
will be under H.  After that for the actual articles are a bit more of a
mess.

2) The World in Flames stuff is a wide ranging campaign idea.  Therefore
on the page if you go down the list to Adventure and Campaign Ideas
and then go down to the section Campaign Ideas you can find things posted
about the World in Flames.

Caveat:  the homepages are really just a repository for information,
it really is better if you get involved in things on either this forum
or the MMB.  this public service announcement has been brought to you
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stan
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:41:55 +0100
From: DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Absent players

On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:52:19 +0100, "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net> wrote:

<<After some mails I've read in the last time I'm wondering how you handle
the problem of absent players. Have the characters to be absent too? How do
you handle the distribution of magical items?
My group converts the PCs of absent players into NPCs temporarily. It has
some minor problems, but it works.>>

Eh eh, well, I "created" a new term for absent players' PCs back in the
first year of my gaming experiences: they're technically to be considered
"plaster statues" (sorry, there isn't a good english term for the one we
use). Basically, they acquire the greatest form of immunity to date: they
are invulnerable and follow the others wherever they go. ;)

In fact, the thing is: if they can teleport somewhere else or turn
invisible during a fight or a particular dramatic moment, they have. If
not, they're still with the others and follow them in their adventure but
are always in the rear and cannot be touched by the opponents. Many times
they're out of the fireball radius or out of the trap's effects, etc.
provided it is possible. For example: the group enters a 30x30 feet room
and a fireball detonates, the absent players' PCs are supposed not to have
entered. In the case they cannot be "preserved" from damage, then they get
the minimum possible damage and may later ask for their part of the
treasure (if any).. All this obviously implies that the players began the
adventure with the group and left in the middle: if they didn't even begin,
they're simply not there.

There have been a couple of times when the entire group was about to be
soundly defeated and the only person who could reverse the situation was
one of the absent players' PC. In these cases I allowed the whole group to
play him/her, usually playing on the danger of the situation and the
unpredictability of the results, even though I normally let the players win
if they acted bravely and fought up to their potential. This doesn't mean
they will be unscathed, however..  ;)

Our rule is that when a PC doesn't "actively" participate in a quest, he is
not entitled any Xps nor items from a "treasure". Actively means taking
part in at least 1/2 of the adventure. The PCs CAN give a share of their
part to their fellow comrades who have not been useful to the group, but
they seldom do.

So far my method has solved our problems. Consider also that at these
levels (Companion-Master) each adventurer can either Fly permanently or has
access to multiple Teleport spell, and they usually have magical means of
communication (telpathy etc.) so it's not so difficult for a character to
join his friends in the middle of an adventure should they call him for
aid.. Unless they are on another plane, that is..

As a sidenote, I've always wondered why there are so many high-level
adventures that place some stupid traps that work only if somebody treads
over them: don't the writers realize that a 20+ level character can easily
FLY during the whole exploration of a dungeon??? This happened with
Labyrinth of Madness, which is nonetheless the GREATEST dungeon I've ever
run (fortunately I was able to justify the inability of the PCs to fly in
that dungeon..) and also with many M modules (again, I had to cheat in M3
and have the PCs not fly inside Castle Carnifex to make it a great dungeon).

DM

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:12:50 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell: Wynter's Conjured Companion

Like the AD&D's Find Familiar spell, the Conjured Companion creates and binds
a creature to the magic-user to aid him (or her) in his vocation.  Use of this
spell is extremely dangerous for low level mages, but the sheer difficulty of
properly casting this spell ensures only the most experienced and intelligent
(or lucky) mages gain a companion.

Wynter's Conjured Companion
Level: Magic-user 1
Range: 0
Duration: Permanent
Effect: Creates a servitor creature for the caster.
     This spell creates a servitor creature for the casting mage.  Though low
in level, Conjured Compaion requires several key components to be provided by
the caster in order for the magic to properly function and even then there is
a chance part of the ritual is done incorrectly.  To cast this spell, the
caster must gather the following components: a pure silver brazier worth 500
gp, a block of rare incense worth 100 gp,  rare oils costing 200 gp and a
piece of the creature to be conjured (at least 1 pound and not less than 1
week old).  The actual casting of the spell requires 24 full hours of casting,
requiring constitution checks every 4 hours (6 total).  At the completion of
the spell, the components are all expended and the caster's chance of success
is determined as follows:  15% base chance of success

+2 % per level of the caster
+1 % per 100 gp value of the components over the value of the required
components
- -10% for each component missing
- -5% per hit dice of the creature's typical racial hit dice
- -5% per special ability of the creature's race
- -10% for each failed constitution check
Automatic failure if no creature flesh is present

In any case, the spell's maximum chance for success can be no higher than 95%
after all modifiers are accounted for.  If the spell fails, the mage must wait
until he gains a level before attempting it again.
     If successful, the pound of flesh the caster procured begins slowly
growing.  It takes 1 week per level of the caster for the companion to grow
into it's adult form.  Until that time, it is enclosed in a fleshy coccoon.
During this phase the creature can be destroyed with no ill effects to the
caster.
     When 'hatched', the creature has an intelligence rating of 10-15 (9+1d6)
and the normal abilities of a typical member of its race (except as outlined
on the table below).  In addition to its native tongue, the companion
understands the caster's native tongue and is empathically linked to the
caster when within 1 mile.  The companion will serve the caster unwaveringly,
even to death, but when given tasks and jobs to do the companion will carry
them out according to their intelligence.  The hit dice saving throws and hit
points of the companion are as follows:
Caster's Level		Hit Dice		Save As		Hit Points
1-4					1			M-U 1			1d6+1
5-8					2			M-U 2			2d6+2
9-12				3			M-U 3			3d6+3
13-16				4			M-U 4			4d6+4
17-20				5			M-U 5			5d6+5
21-24				6			M-U 6			6d6+6
25-28				7			M-U 7			7d6+7
29-32				8			M-U 8			8d6+8
33-35				9			M-U 9			9d6+9
36					10			M-U 10			10d6+10

     As the caster rises (and maybe falls) in levels, his conjured companion
will as well.  If the companion has spell abilities (as dragons may) they will
not exceed the companion's racial maximum.  If the companion is slain, the
caster loses 3 levels and must roll a saving throw versus spells.  If failed
the caster also loses 1d6+1 hit points permanently.
     This spell will not create humans, demihumans, undead or other planar
creatures.  The caster may only have one companion serving him at any one
time.
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:34:41 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>  Excellent work!
> This has thrown me into a nasty dilemma. Should I use this, or the
> Almanacs? The best sollution is probably to use what I like out of both
> and add my own ideas. [Håvard]

Thank you, Håvard!  I'd say: use what you like -- cannibalize the heck out of
it! :o)

> There was a mention of an alternate Heldannic Timeline..where can I find
this?

I think stan has a copy on his web site. Else I can easily repost the stuff
here if anyone's interested. To really understand this Heldannic timeline,
however, you need to read some important sections of the background I wrote
for the knights, else the timeline may not make much sense.

> Skyriders is a nice touch. Never heard of them before but it makes sense
that the Khan would have these guys. However, shouldnt the Retebius be more
powerful? They used to have Dragons and other beasties according to Dawn of
the Emperors..

I thought they had been disbanded at some point (?). Either way, I like
Thyatis better *with* its R. A. F. I chose to return it to the forefront with
wyverns simply because they are more manageable and they can more easily be
bred than dragons. Sooner or later, the dragons would have descended upon
Thyatis for "enslaving" their kin, so all in all the wyverns are probably a
safer, more reliable approach. The credit for the pegasus-mounted horsemen
goes to Sharon Dornhoff/Rotipher, btw.

> I liked the Black Jacks and especially Lord Night. This is perhaps one of
the most dramatic results of the war and it makes Fenswick way more
interesting.

Okay. I sketched out a description for the Back Jacks which explains why they
betrayed Synn. Of course, I can't find my darn file right now! Since John Hare
has been kind enough to answer some of the questions related to the World in
Flames timeline (and has apparently kept copies of my posts on the MMB), I'm
hoping he re-posts the stuff on the Black Jacks. 

Hi John! Thanks John! :D

> I understand that you have chosen to use the Western Defence League, but I
must say I strongly dislike it. It sounds way too modern for my taste. Anyway,
that part is actually quite easy to remove. 

What was it you didn't like? Was it the term "WDL" or the entire concept of a
defensive alliance against Thyatis? Either way, I stuck with it because it is
canon and if I had skipped it, there would have been a lot of needless
questions.

> Karameikos: I didnt like what happened to Stefan. I'm glad something
happened though, but IMC Stefan -is- Halav. Any ideas on how to to
change/explain events to fit this concept?

Oh well! :o) 

One thing to remember is that Stefan was right in suspecting Thyatian
retaliation, so his motives were plausible. Or were you referring to the whole
abdication/succession issue? This can be replaced with outright treachery on
the part of Adriana upon discovering that Queen Olivia had persuaded Stefan to
name Valen as the heir to the throne. Adriana would have staged a coup,
deposed Stefan, sparked a revolt. Later on Stefan regains his rightful place
as the ruler of Karameikos (etc.) Else, I thought Karameikos needed a bit of
an upheaval -- things had been entirely too "nice and cozy" there! :o)

> Ylaruam: well, you explained this in your reply to Jenn, but IMC I'd let
Thyatis remain in control of Ylaruam....

That's an easy fix.

> Alfheim: Seems to be left out of the picture. What happened to the elves in
your story? I mean the Shadoweveles are there alright, but whatabout the
Alfheim Avengers?

You're right -- I left them out. I didn't see a major role for them during the
conflict. I had my hands filled with everything else going on and thought the
addition of yet another twist would just complicate the plot too much. Anyone
wants to jump in and come up with a "patch" for these Avengers? (Since the
Shadow Elves seem to be on the side of the WDL during the conflict, it would
make sense for the Avengers to join the Ethengar Pact.)

> Another thing you didnt mention is whatever happened to Rad...did you
leave him out on purpose?

Ditto. If he's an Immortal, then he has no business getting involved since
these events are NOT connected to the Immortals. Besides, the other Immortals
would be watching him awfully closely as a result of Wrath of the Immortals.
If he's back as a mortal wizard, he'd just be a part of the Glantrian Council
(therefore one of the main commanders of the Loyalist Army). Then again, he
might not be back as of yet, depending on whether DM's already ran the later
Castle Amber adventure. So, I left that issue vague.

Thanks for the interest and the opinions. Later. . .

Bruce Heard

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mystara-digest       Friday, December 11 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 744



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - Mystara FAQ v5.6
[MYSTARA] - Thyatis-War of The Immortals
Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
[MYSTARA] - mail server break down
Re: [MYSTARA] - test
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - mail server break down?
Re: [MYSTARA] - Absent players
Re: [MYSTARA] - Elf-cleric Xps (for ODND)
Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms
[MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World
Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World
[MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] List Problems
[MYSTARA] - Absent players
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:20:50 CET
From: "Herve Musseau" <herve@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara FAQ v5.6

Mystara FAQ

version 5.6 by Hervé Musseau
The latest version of this document can be found at 

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/Mystara/mystfaq.txt

Q: What is Mystara?
A: Mystara is an imaginary world created by TSR as a campaign world for
roleplaying games using the rules of Dungeons and Dragons.

Q: What is a roleplaying game?
A: Roleplaying games are games in which people play the role of 
imaginary
fantastic characters like warriors or wizards and try to complete an
adventure under the guidance of a game master.

Q: I never heard of Mystara, but I know a setting called the Known World
which looks pretty the same. What's the difference?
A: Mystara got a name as a world only recently; before that, it was 
often
referred to as the Known World, although Mystara is more than just the
Known World.

Q: So, what's Mystara? The Known World and what else?
A: Mystara is basically composed of 2 main parts, the Outer World and 
the
Hollow World, plus 2 moons, and some other exotic settings.

Q: A Hollow World?
A: Yes. Mystara, unlike our earth, is hollow, an empty sphere. It has an
internal sun that lights the interior world, making it inhabitable. It
holds old civilizations that are now extinct on the Outer World, placed
there by the Immortals with strong magic preventing them from evolving 
much
or dying away. The only entrances to the Hollow World are through
underground passages between the two worlds, and through the holes that
stand in place of the north and south poles.

Q: And the Outer World?
A: The Outer World is mostly like our Earth. It comprises:

   * the Known World (now called Old World), where the most civilized
     countries are located,
   * Alphatia (only before AC 1009),
   * the Savage Coast and Hule,
   * the southern continent, called Davania,
   * the eastern continent, called Skothar.

Q: Why is Alphatia part of Mystara only up to AC 1009?
A: Because Alphatia, which is a large continent east of the Known World,
sank into the ocean in AC 1009, at the end of the major event called 
Wrath
of the Immortals. It is now a floating continent located in the Hollow
World.

Q: What exactly is Wrath of the Immortals?
A: Wrath of the Immortals (or WotI) is a great campaign that TSR 
published
to update the Known World. It deals with the Great War that involves the
major countries of Mystara and that was caused by the Immortals to 
obtain
control of the Nucleus of the Spheres, a powerful artifact located under
Glantri. At the end of the war, Alphatia sinks, Glantri and Thyatis have
suffered dramatically from the conflict and three new powers enter the
political scene of Mystara: the Heldannic Territories, the Hagiarchy of
Hule and the "revamped" Kingdom of Karameikos.

Q: On the continental map published in the Master DM's book, there are 
some
empires I've never read anything about in other products and on the 
list,
like the Empire of Dorphin IV or the Empire of the Great Khan. Do they
exist? Where can I find information about these?
A: The map in the Master set is wrong, wrong, wrong! In the series of
articles written by Bruce Heard in Dragon Magazine, the first in the 
series
(Dragon #153) explains this all. The map was the was released by a very
imaginative Thyatian, and wrongly accepted for the truth. There is no
Empire of Dorphin IV, no Empire of the Great Khan, etc. Also, as you
probably guessed, the size of the Thyatian Empire was largely exagerated 
on
this map...

Q: I've already heard from the Known World, and from the Hollow World 
too,
but never as Mystara. What does all this mean?
A: This is because Mystara is a very old world, one of the oldest 
created
by TSR, and, as TSR grew, so did Mystara. All of these product lines are
revelant to Mystara:

   * Mystara, of course,
   * the Known World and most stuff that were made for D&D (as opposed 
to
     AD&D) like these old good modules B and X, or the Gazetteers,
   * the Hollow World,
   * Red Steel/the Savage Coast,
   * Blackmoor.

Also, some products bearing the label First Quest are related to 
Mystara.

Q: Blackmoor? I know a Blackmoor, but it's part of Greyhawk, isn't it?
A: Blackmoor was, like Greyhawk, the campaign world of one of TSR's
founder, Dave Arneson. It was later placed in both Greyhawk and the 
Known
World (as a past kingdom in the later), effectively making three 
Blackmoors
exist. It seems there is no further relation between the two Blackmoors 
of
Mystara and Greyhawk, however, although some people made the assumption;
on the other hand, Judge's Guild's Blackmoor likely has much in common 
with
Mystara's, as the DA series for the Known World was also written by Dave
Arneson (so that JG First Fantasy Campaign is considered 
Mystara-relevant).

Q: Where is it located?
A: Blackmoor was a techno-magical kingdom that blew itself up a few
millenia ago. The event shifted the planet's axis and Blackmoor is now 
the
north pole.
Sources are contradictory as to where Blackmoor stands; some place it on
Brun, some on Skothar. Arguments in favor of Brun are the position of 
the
Inn Between the Worlds and the Nucleus of the Sphere, and the fact that 
the
Known World stands there; this is the solution proposed in some 
Gazetteers.
Arguments in favor of Skothar are its sort of canonical status, and the
feeling that all civilizations should not systamatically come from the
Known World; this is the solution proposed in the Hollow World box. Note
that, if you consider the Hollow World solution to be the truth in your
campaign, the map in the box does have a typo : the names of Blackmoor 
and
Thonia have been reversed (Blackmoor was north of the Empire of Thonia
according to all other sources).
Bruce Heard's opinion on this matter :
<< Blackmoor -- the travelling legend. If there were archaeologist on
Mystara, they would have a devil of time figuring where the darn place 
was
really located. Officially, it's supposed to be up there by the Thonian
Marches. Unfortunately, conflicting info has crept into several 
products,
getting in the way of the Thonian theory. The best thing is to assume
evidence of Blackmoor's presence elsewhere is the result of later
colonizations and outposts. Other communities were also magically 
displaced
(such as a certain ancient tavern in the Broken Lands of the Known 
World).
Definitely a messy development of the World of Mystara! :) >>
So officially the answer is Skothar.

Q: Ok, and now what's Red Steel?
A: Red Steel is a setting that is part of Mystara (west of the Known
World), although it was released as a stand-alone setting.

Q: I have a player of the Church of Karameikos, and I whant to give him 
an
Immortal, I suppose that it's a church with many Immortals (like the 
Greek
/ Latin church) but in Gaz 1 I dind't find any list of Inmortals...
A: These are the immortals of the Church of Karameikos, as told by Bruce
Heard in an old Dragon Magazine:
Asterius (Eternal of Thought), Leader
Kagyar (Eternal of Matter)
Ilsundal (Hierarch of Thought)
Valerias (Hierarch of Matter)
Vanya (Empyreal of Time).
Also, although Chardastes is a native Traladaran Immortal, he is 
venerated
through the auspices of the Church of Karameikos, not the Church of
Traladara. This is extrapolated from info in B1-9 In Search of 
Adventure.
The Immortals of the Church of Traladara are:
Halav
Petra
Zirchev.

Q: You spoke of Immortals, what are they? Are they Gods?
A: Mystara has a different pantheon when compared to other D&D settings.
Most notably, it has no gods, but beings called Immortals. Immortals are
mortals who, through their deeds, have reached a higher status granting
them more power than mere mortals. Basically, however, Immortals are not
very different from Gods of other settings.

Q: Is Jaggar von Drachenfelds the Star Dragon?
A: No. According to Bruce Heard's article in Dragon #170
http://www.tsrinc.com/periodicals/dragon/backissues/170jun91/170FromHatchlingTo.txt
he became the Star Dragon for a brief period but relinquished the title 
for
absolution.

Q: Also you mentionned something about D&D not being AD&D. What does 
that
mean?
A: Mystara was the world designed to be used with the rules of D&D 
(often
called OD&D to better distinct it from AD&D and from the generic term 
D&D
which could mean both; OD&D stands for Old D&D or Original D&D - note 
that
some few people call it BD&D for Basic D&D to distinguish it from even
older rules).
It appeared in the old boxed rules: the Expert box, the Companion box 
and
the Master box. Most of the earlier modules designed for D&D were set in
this world. Recently, however, Mystara has been converted to AD&D (along
with Red Steel), but many people who play in Mystara do it with the old
rules (or their reedition, Rules Cyclopedia).

Q: When I read stuff about Mystara I keep seeing acronyms I cannot
understand like WotI or PWA. What do they mean?
A: There is a list of Mystara relevant acronyms at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/Mystara/acronyms.html

Q: I heard that the Mystara line was cancelled. Is this true?
A: It is unfortunately true. And Red Steel is cancelled too. Some novels
pertaining to Mystara may be released as part of the First Quest line, 
and
modules may be part of the Odyssey line. AFAIK, there is no such 
products
in preparation however, though Wizards of the Coast (which bought TSR) 
has
expressed its willingness to publish material for dead worlds, but never
namely mentioned Mystara. Keep faith.
Joshuan's Almanach was the last product of Mystara (to be precise the 
novel
"The Black Vessel" has been released after, and to be even more precise 
it
deals with the Savage Coast) and the Savages Baronies the last of Red 
Steel
(except for online exclusives).

Q: But I saw in TSR's 97 preview that there would be Red Steel modules
released as online exclusive. What does this mean?
A: TSR has released these modules for free on its site of MPGN at
ftp://ftp.mpgn.com and http://www.tsrinc.com.

Q: So, if TSR has dropped the line, how can I get new material for 
Mystara?
A: There are many people on the web who love Mystara and have taken upon
themselves to keep Mystara alive (and well alive).
There is a mailing list dedicated to Mystara (MML) where people discuss 
together
about it, exchanging ideas, points of view, and more. To subscribe, send
e-mail to majordomo@mpgn.com. In the body, have the single line: 
subscribe
Mystara-L . It has 224 people, as of end April 98. Not quite a billion 
served,
but we're getting there. As a comparison, there are 395 people on the 
Realms
list, TSR's flagship world (source : Leroy Van Camp, MML admin).
There is also the TSR Mystara Message Board (MMB) at
http://tsronline.wizards.com:80/mb/system/addnewuser.shtml
where discussion revolves mostly around alternate Mystaras.
There are also many pages around the net dedicated to Mystara,
sometimes with lots of interesting materials. Some of these pages are
organized into a Webring, check
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html for info
about the Mystara webring.
Now more than ever you should express your views on how Mystara should 
be
brought back at http://CWSpot.com/Mystara/SaveMystara
or join the SaveMystara Writer's Group whose goal is to get as many
adventures and articles to the periodicals as we can.

Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara mailing list?
A: The digests are collected at
ftp://ftp.mpgn.com/Gaming/ADND/Worlds/Mystara/MailingListArchive/
and the oldest ones (prior to 1998) can be found at
ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/mailing-lists/mystara-digest/
However for your convenience the most interesting aricles the list has
come up with are collected and sorted on Shawn's page at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/

Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara message board?
A: There is no archiving of the board. However for your convenience
the most interesting aricles the board has come up with are collected
and sorted on Shawn's page at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/prodlist.html

Q: Where can I find a complete list of the material published for 
Mystara?
A: The most complete lists to my knowledge is at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/prodlist.html
It includes rulebooks and modules published by TSR, Mystara-relevant 
Judge Guild
supplements, a list of various magazine #s that contain adventures, 
rules or world
description pertaining to Mystara, novels, TSR net resources, and Clark 
Ashton 
Smith stories related to Averoigne. All of these are ranked according to
compatibility with Mystara (explicit, implicit, compatible, etc.) and 
the type of
product (campaign source, rules supplement, adventure, etc.).

Q: And where can I buy those products?
A: Since the Mystara line is out of print, it is difficult to find them. 
If
you're lucky you can find them in any shop that sells RPG stuff, or buy
second-hand books. Some places where you can find Mystara stuff on the 
web:
http://www.dragontrove.com/listing.html
http://www.titan-games.com/
http://www.rpgspot.com/main.htm
http://www.hitpointe.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~darkh/
http://www.ida.net/users/groverm/sleeping.dragon/sdh.html
http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/index.html
http://www.sagesguild.com/
http://www.crazyegors.com/
the newsgroup rec.games.frp.marketplace
and I got a special page for all Mystara books at Amazon.com: 

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/amazon.html

Q: Where can I find the FAQ for the Mystara mailing list?
A: Check at http://www.lesbois.com/members/malacoda/mmlfaq.htm .
AFAIK there is no plain text version of this FAQ.


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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:19:19 PST
From: "Mehmet Baykara" <balin2@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis-War of The Immortals

Hi people,
It's me again!
Because I play AD&D version of mystara I don't have any valuable info 
about Tyatis and the war of the Immortals.Where can I find info?

Thanks for help.

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:57:54 -0800
From: chris_d_p@juno.com (Christopher D Pasarilla)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hi People!

My friend, if you can find anything about HW anymore, I commend you. 
Send a personal letter to my address and I'll tell you about the place.
		
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:59:31 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:

> So we might be able to get more detail from the MMB? What was that address again?
> 
> Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com

That didnt work! Help me..please?
I'm using Lynx today, so surfing around is a bit bothersome..
 
> Say...I wonder what a neh-thalguu ship would look like...

Interesting question. I get these gigeresque visions. Something slimy
gray-greenish bio-tech thingy...

Where are these guys from anyway? I thought they were from the Nightmare
Dimension..?

Im not saying they couldnt have colonized a planet in Mystaras Galaxy...
Something for our MSpace-project Marco?

Håvard

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:24:20 +0100 (MET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Jamuga Khan wrote:

> > I think this is a really good idea. Not only do we avoid to have the
> > Immortals stamping in, we also get a nice Ostlander expedition, ´ala Leiv
> > Erikssons discovery of America/Vinland.
> > Come to think of it, Expeditions by sea might be easier to accomplish
> that
> > those by Air ships, because of the Antimagic field.
> 
> But the main problem is that the sea arounf the polar holes are frozen. 
> So you can sail with a ship through it. Additionally I've got the
> impression that this region is very big, so the usual northmen's tactic of
> drawing their ships wouldn't work.

The entire sea propbably isn't frozen. A way through could be found,
though this might be difficult. Another idea could be to employ some of
the Giants in Frosthaven to carry the ships. Ofcourse, the brave norsemen
should expect treachery from the giants..

Sounds like a campaign idea to me! :)

Håvard

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:02:55 +0100
From: Cobaye <Frederic.DeLaval@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - mail server break down

I don't know if you had this?

Hi everybody
I've had a little problem on my mail server. It's break down.
So i hadn't any message since Tue 19h56 Greenwich mean time, last posted

by James Ruhland.
Does someone can send me the mail since?
Thanks,

Fred"Cobaye"de Laval.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:01:37 -0800
From: chris_d_p@juno.com (Christopher D Pasarilla)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - test

On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:01:21 PST "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
writes:
>test

GRADE: D-	I would have given you an F, butt you successfully
identified that this was a test.  Next time, write in the answers!
	Okay, I'm going to shut up now.  :)

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:09:31 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

It just simply depends on whether he is in your campaign or not and whether you
wish to incorporate him.

Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1998-12-08 14:32:07 Eastern Standard Time,
> jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:
>
> > > Another thing you didnt mention is whatever happened to Rad...did you
> >  > leave him out on purpose?
> >  >
> >  He got absorbed in WotI. Hasn't made a re-appearance (yet).
>
> But this timeline starts in AC 1014 -- by this point Etienne should be
> back in power and publicly acknowledged as such.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:07:17 -0800
From: chris_d_p@juno.com (Christopher D Pasarilla)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - mail server break down?

On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:14:05 +0100 Cobaye <Frederic.DeLaval@wanadoo.fr>
writes:
>Hi everybody
>I've had a little problem on my mail server. It's break down.
>So i hadn't any message since Tue 19h56 Greenwich mean time, last 
>posted
>by James Ruhland.
>Does someone can send me the mail since?

Hey you know what?  I think a bunch of lists are having problems right
now.  Here's a funny story: I'm on the PS list. I had just been sent a
letter from the monitor stating that I had violated one of the biggest
rules of the list: bringing up real life religion.  I responded to him
privately, explaining myself and how I was successful not to start a
flame war.  He told me that aside from this, I still broke a rule and the
punishment was applied.  Next day, I didn't get any messages from the
list.  I checked today and only got a couple.  I thought he had thrown me
off the list!! As it turns out, those two that I got today were from a
couple of members wondering why they weren't getting any messages.  My
email friend also told me (upon my request) that I wasn't off the list.
He wrote the monitor and asked what was up.  The monitor said that I
hadn't been kicked off the list.  He was going to check out what was up
with the list.  So, in summary: the PS list is having trouble too.

					Shelz

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:18:32 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Absent players

The simplest solution IMC is the "Player Bag of Holding".  The character of a
missing player goes into the bag and is invulnerable to all forms of
everything, a type of stasis if you will.  The bag is assigned to the group
and whoever shows up for the next game has the bag.

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:11:44 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elf-cleric Xps (for ODND)

IMC we allowed demihumans to add 1 class to their base race.  They added the
experience tables together to determine the new amount of EP they needed to
advance.  The maximum level attainable in this "other class" was 3/4 of the
prime requisite score, but even after they achieved their maximum level, they
had to keep earning the combined EP (to simulate the difficulty of keeping
different interests active).  Any restrictions of the extra class had to be
followed (like weapon and armor restrictions).  Dwarves could add either the
Cleric (but not Druid), Paladin/Avenger, Knight or Thief class; Elves could
add either the Cleric, Druid, Knight or Thief class; and halflings could add
either the Cleric (not Druid) or Thief class.  Note that the Paladin/Avenger
is a subclass of the OD&D Fighter (RC p18).  They are allowed to be created at
1st level IMC, instead of 9th level as the RC stipulates.  The Druid is in a
similar boat IMC, able to be created at 1st level instead of 9th level as the
RC stipulates.

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:42:00 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - NACE and acronyms

At 21.22 07/12/98 +0000, Mike Harvey wrote:

>SCSI and SQL have no obvious prononciation either, but they have 
>become the equivalent of acronyms among the technical community.

I think they're more abbreviations than acronyms, like MVP in sports.

>Also it seems like the Catholic church had lots of little 
>abbreviations, some of which were almost certainly acronyms.  I seem 
>to recall something like "INRI" though I don't know the meaning.

It was written above Jesus' cross. RI stands for Rex Israelii IIRC.

>However, I agree with those who hate 'NACE'; it sounds *way* too 
>modern.

Maybe because it's too similar to common RW acronyms like NATO, NAFTA,
NASCAR...
**************
Fabrizio Paoli	
brizio@gdr.net
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:37:27 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World

Greetings,

The map of Hollow World for Civilization 2 is available for download at my website (URL below) in the Mystara section.

******************
Aleksei Andrievski
aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Blue Star
aka Azure Star Dragon
solmyr@kolumbus.fi
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:23:17 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World

Aleksei wrote:


>The map of Hollow World for Civilization 2 is available for download at my website (URL below) in the Mystara section.

Cool! Now then, is there any place where I could download a copy of Civ 2,
or am I gonna hafta buy it like normal people? :)

Geoff

- --
Geoff Gander, BA 97
Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon
Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog
au998@freenet.carleton.ca
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:20:11 -0700
From: "Leroy Van Camp III" <malacoda@lesbois.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] List Problems

Mystarans and Spacefarers,
    Yup, MPGN went down for a while, so both the Spelljammer 
and Mystara lists were out of commission.  I have no idea why
it happened, as they don't tell me anything.  But everything seems
back to normal.


Leroy Van Camp III	
malacoda@lesbois.com 
ICQ #20039817

  "Well, it seems the people see you as something of an ogre, sir."
  "What?  Why, I ought to crush them and eat their bones!"
                        The Simpsons
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:52:32 GMT
From: Lyndon@pobox.com (Lyndon Baugh)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Absent players

Player:  "I can't make it this Saturday."

GM  "Oh don't worry, I'll just arrange for your character to be
kidnapped again."




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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:01:29 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Jeff Daly wrote:

> Check out the MMB!

Thankyou Jeff, but the MMB seems to be in serious trouble :(
I couldnt access it using Netscape either. This isnt just me is it?

Håvard

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Garrison, South Park.

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mystara-digest       Friday, December 11 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 745



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - Module oversights
[MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology
[MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: FYRMONT
Re: [MYSTARA] - mail server break down
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
[MYSTARA] - A terrible fate
[MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin
Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis-War of The Immortals
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell: Wynter's Conjured Companion

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:07:01 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

>> > Come to think of it, Expeditions by sea might be easier to accomplish
>> than those by Air ships, because of the Antimagic field.
>>
>> But the main problem is that the sea around the polar holes are frozen.
>> So you can sail with a ship through it.
>
>The entire sea propbably isn't frozen. A way through could be found,
>though this might be difficult. Another idea could be to employ some of
>the Giants in Frosthaven to carry the ships.

I'm still working my way through the "HM Magic" material, but before too
much longer (maybe by the end of winter break) I'll be writing about the
cryions: long-ignored batlike, arctic humanoids from the original version
of the Creature Catalog.  These Materan natives build nonmagical iceships
to "skate" across the frigid surface of the Hollow Moon's crystalbarrens,
and they've also colonized Mystara's poles as of ~690 BC (see my "Outer
Moon Timeline" on Shawn's pages).  Living in the "darklands" of the polar
openings is a lot like home, for cryions -- the Hollow Moon's always dark,
and the crystalbarrens ain't exactly a balmy tropical paradise :-) -- so
they haven't yet felt a need to contact the inhabitants of the surface
world OR the too-brightly-lit interior one, apart from an occasional
wintertime foray to trade with or raid arctic outer-world villages.

So, if there's a call for the Ostlanders to sail directly between the outer
and inner worlds, cryion vessels that can sail over the ice -- and be
stripped of their runners, for use on open water, once they arrive in the
HW -- could perhaps be purchased, hired or stolen.  For that matter, if
Mystarans keep crossing into the Hollow World via the polar openings at
ground-level, on a regular basis, then the bat-folk are probably going to
start confronting these "trespassers" and charging them tolls for passage.


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:38:19 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Module oversights

>As a sidenote, I've always wondered why there are so many high-level
>adventures that place some stupid traps that work only if somebody treads
>over them: don't the writers realize that a 20+ level character can easily
>FLY during the whole exploration of a dungeon??? This happened with
>Labyrinth of Madness, which is nonetheless the GREATEST dungeon I've ever
>run (fortunately I was able to justify the inability of the PCs to fly in
>that dungeon..) and also with many M modules (again, I had to cheat in M3
>and have the PCs not fly inside Castle Carnifex to make it a great dungeon).

Weeeeelllllll.... if we're going off on a tangent about modules with MAJOR
oversights as to what the PCs might do, I've recently reclaimed my own oD&D
module collection from my parents' attic, and have been re-reading the
X-series.  And I found a REALLY obvious glitch, of pretty much the same
kind DM is talking about, in X3 - The Curse Of Xanathon (anyone remember
ol' Stephen Rhoona, cursed to bark like a dog and huddle under the covers
of his bed...?).

The whole middle third of that module consists of the PCs discovering their
weapons can't harm the villain Xanathon (Ho hum, another invulnerable
villain; how many times does the X-series use those...?), and then chasing
all over the map and the city in order to get ahold of the jewel in which
the evil cleric's hidden his life force.  Yet as near as I can tell, there
isn't a darn thing to keep a PC party from just GRAPPLING the creep; tying
him up and gagging him; and appropriating the (otherwise unguarded) vial of
powder, to break Stephen Rhoona's curse, the very first time they run into
Xanathon!  The module's writers actually took it so much for granted that
no group of sword-happy D&D players would even THINK of taking an
"unkillable" enemy alive, they didn't even bother to give the poor slob an
escape route!  Granted, "Curse of Xanathon" WAS written to be played with
just the Basic/Expert rules, well before unarmed combat rules had been
introduced to the oD&D system, but still... you'd think any player who'd so
much as watched an American football game on TV, the night before, would
come up with "Okay, so we'll TACKLE him!", the instant the DM says swords
aren't doing the job.  :-P

Naturally, now that unarmed combat rules are incorporated into a single,
integrated RC system, the whole module's pretty much ruined.  Hefty editing
and "Dungeon Master's fiat" is required, to make up for TSR's oversight;
and even then -- as DM remarked upon, with the M-modules -- it winds up
sounding contrived, like a deliberate attempt to weasel out of letting
players exercise their creativity ("Er... well... gosh, the guy's so
slippery, you can't keep a wrestling hold on him....").  I don't know if a
lot more playtesting -- preferably by players known for their unorthodox
strategies -- is any solution, but I DO know I don't like seeing those
kinds of errors, when modules assume PCs will always do "the expected", any
more than DM does.



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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:07:15 +0100
From: DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:31:54 +0000, "Mike Harvey" <bing@iccom.com> wrote:

<<The Sabbath was Saturday, the seventh day of the week, and Sunday was the
first day.  The numbering (and concept of Sabbath) is taken from the old
Hebrew calendar, and the regular weekday names are derived from Rome.>> 

Indeed, this is the true origin of the sixth day in the latin rooted
languages from what I gathered in my books too. 
However, the situation here is a bit funny: Sabbath (or Sabaoth) means
seventh day, for the Hebrew week begins with Sunday and ends with Sabbath,
which is the day when God rested after creating the world. But the latin
calendar later changed this by placing Sunday as the last day of the week,
and even though saturday remained tied to the word "Sabbath", it was now
the sixth day of the week.

To summarize, we have two main sources for the west European days of the
week: one is the latin root, the other is the germanic/scandinavian one.
This table should help you understand the thing:

Latin Root

Italian		French			Latin term
Lunedì			Lunedì			Luna dies (day of the moon)
Martedì		Mardì			Mars dies (day of Mars)
Mercoledì		Mercredì		Mercuri dies (day of Mercury)
Giovedì		Jeudì			Jupiter dies (Day of Jupiter)
Venerdì		Vendredì		Venus dies (day of Venus)
Sabato			Samedì			Sabbath (Hebrew for seventh day)
Domenica		Dimanche		Domine dies (day of God)

Spanish and Portuguese go here as well.

Germanic root

German			English		Germanic term
Sonntag		Sunday			Tag der Sonne (day of the sun)
Montag			Monday			Tag des Monds (day of the moon)
Dienstag		Tuesday		Tiws Tag (day of Tiw -god of war)
Mittwoch		Wednesday		Mitten der Woche (middle day of the week; Angle: day
of Wotan/Woden -Odin)
Donnerstag		Thursday		Tag des Donners or Donars Tag (day of the
thunder/Donar's day; Angle: day of Thunor -Thor)
Freitag		Friday			Friggs Tag (day of Frigg -Freya)
Samstag		Saturday		???

Norse, danish, dutch and swedish also belong to this root.

Also, there is a close link between the norse gods and the latin ones
patronizing the weekdays:
Moon and Sun are present in both weekdays
Tiw = Mars (god of War)
Frigg = Venus (goddess of Love)
Wotan = Jupiter (Head God of the Pantheon)

Note that even though it seems Wotan and Jupiter are assigned to two
different days, in fact they are not: both mark the middle of the week, but
since the Romans counted the days starting from Monday and the Germans from
Sunday, the two got two different days. Both days are the fourth day of the
relative week, however.

Last note: I have not been able to find any references to the root of
Saturday/Samstag. It is not possible that it's Saturn, since it's a roman
god and the Germans were incredibly proud of their own pantheon to accept
such a foreign god. It is interesting to note that there is a strange
similarity between the French and German words in this case: Same-dì and
Sams-tag (same prefix). Does this not reveal something to you native speakers?

PS: while I couldn't give a damn about the ethymology of the Mystaran days
(to speak brutally), I DO care about the RW words ethymology. After all I
still live on the earth (until I find the right gate to Mystara, that
is..). This also explains why you heard very few from me in this last
month. I'm currently very busy with my gaming groups and rehashing my house
rules in a decent form..

PPS: also, speaking of ethymology, it is very interesting to see how the
words "Dooms" and "Wyrd" were of capital importance in the ancient germanic
world. I am one of those few who think that the Immortal Verthandi refers
to RW Wyrd and whose worship should be far more spread in the Northern
Reaches and Norwold..

DM

"Transcending history and the world, 
a tale of swords and souls
eternally retold."
- -Souledge

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:21:28 PST
From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" <gallidox@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: FYRMONT

FYRMONT 2, AC 1015: Azcans Plans to Strike at Schattenalfen.
   Location: Ximac Fort, Azca.  HW

   Description: Recent patrols in the lands south of Tenpocatliotl 
report that the Schattenalfen have been remarkably quiet of late.  Very 
few patrols have been harassed by Schattenalfen, and almost none of the 
usual flapsail-patrols have been spotted.  (See Fe. 22, Fe. 27; Fy. 6, 
Fy. 11.)

   What This Means: The Schattenalfen are withdrawing their military 
forces from lands further than a few sleeps' travel by foot back closer 
to their principal lands, in order to gather their forces for the 
upcoming journey through the world's crust.  Patrols are being cut from 
outlying lands but reinforced close to major settlements, thus enhancing 
their defenses but cutting offensive forces severely.  They hope to stay 
quiet for quite a long time while much of their army is away, and thus 
avoid any military conflicts during the rest of the year.
   Azcan generals, however, do not know the true reason for the 
withdrawal, and fear that the Schattenalfen are planning another major 
attack.  Or else one of their other enemies is troubling them a great 
deal.  Either way, they are likely to be weak at the moment, and the 
generals begin planning a major offensive against the pale elves.  They 
hope to conduct a pre-emptive strike, or perhaps force them to fight a 
war on two fronts.  Again, either way, this is good news for the Azcans, 
who are longing for revenge after the embarrassment last year.


FYRMONT 5, AC 1015: A Family Reunion.
   Location: Haldemar, Alphatian Neatharum.  HW

   Description: Recovering from his wounds, Zorok is visited by his two 
daughters, Zerrella and Zorena.  He is visibly overjoyed to see them.  
The two daughters tell their father of the events of the ransom delivery 
and their stay in Haldemar, including their romances with the two 
Alphatians rescuers.  Hearing of this, he becomes angered and calls for 
guards to get them out of his presence.  (See Kl. 19, Kl. 21; Fy. 27, 
Sv. 3.)

   What This Means: Zorok truly is happy to see both his daughters safe.  
That they are not captives is a great relief to him, but their romantic 
interests with the Alphatians do bother him.  He could expect such a 
scandal from Zorena, as she had a tendency for such things, but Zerrella 
doing so comes as a complete surprise.  The news of this, the Alphatians 
aiding them against the orcs, and the favorable treatment his wounded 
are receiving are too much for him and he snaps.
   By now, the truth about Zorena and Zerrella is out.  By meeting with 
their father, they are forced to officially inform the Alphatians as to 
who they are and their relationship to Zorok.


FYRMONT 6, AC 1015: Azcan Priests Do Not Commit.
   Location: Chitlacan, Azca.  HW
   
   Description: The leaders of the military propose a major offensive 
against the Schattenalfen to the south of the Empire.  However, the 
Emperor and the clergy are opposed to any attack, and order the generals 
to hold off indefinitely, refusing to offer and clerical support.
   The generals, angry at the priests' cowardice and refusal to offer 
aid, decide to go ahead with the attack anyway.  They tell the clerics 
that they do not know the will of their own Immortal, saying that 
Atzanteotl demands revenge for the massacre at Tenpocatliotl.  The 
clerics refuse to explain their reasons to inferiors, and continue to 
ignore the generals.  (See Fe. 27, Fy. 2; Fy. 11, Fy. 17.)

   What This Means: Atzanteotl has informed His clerics not to attack 
the Schattenalfen, encouraging them to look towards a more cunning, 
long-term plot for revenge.  In their pride, the clerics failed to 
explain their reasoning to the military generals, who decide to take 
matters into their own hands.


FYRMONT 11, AC 1015: March to Fort Ploiec.
   Location: Ximac Fort, Azca.  HW

   Description: The Azcans mount a major assault on the Schattenalfen at 
Fort Ploiec.  However, the Schattenalfen defenses prove to be as good as 
ever, and the massed Azcan foot soldiers are attacked from the air by 
dozens of flapsail-riders and from the ground by clever skirmishers.  
Without access to healing magic or any of the other powerful clerical 
magics usually used by the Azcans in battle, the Azcans at first stand 
their ground, but soon lose heart and begin to rout under the 
bombardment of the flapsails.  (See Fy. 2, Fy. 6; Fy. 17, Fy. 21.)

   What This Means: The Schattenalfen were not caught off-guard, because 
they had only withdrawn their outlying forces.  However, they were still 
a little below the normal strength for their defenses.  Luckily for 
them, the Azcans were at a disadvantage thanks to the lack of clerical 
magic in their ranks.  Combined with the devastating attacks of a large 
number of flapsail-riders, the Schattenalfen victory was all but 
assured.
   Besides, the battle takes place on the Death Rain day according to 
the Azcan calendar, instead of the Soldier Flint Knife day recommended 
by soothsayers.  This is the result of a manipulation by the fairy queen 
Xochiquetzal, who delayed the Azcan troops by one day when they 
unknowingly entered the fairy lands.


FYRMONT 14, AC 1015: Visitors from Alphatia.
   Location: Haldemar, Alphatian Neatharum.  HW

   Description: Clerics of Alphatia and Koryis arrive in Haldemar via 
skyship.  Reporting to Commander Ezreilla, they inform her that they are 
on a mission as dictated by their Immortals.  Despite Ezreilla's 
requests for them to assist with the wounded, the clerics leave her 
presence.  When she insists, the clerics present to her a document 
bearing the Imperial Seal that supports their effort.  Later, the 
clerics call for experienced adventurers to assist them.  (See Kl. 24, 
Fe. 22; Am. 8, Am. 12.)

   What This Means: Since his departure from Zorok, Zandor has not been 
heard from or seen within Neatharum or Neathar Lands.  The reason for 
this is that he has taken refuge in the Lands of the Gentle Folk.  His 
presence is unsettling for the Gentle Folk's primary Immortal patrons, 
Alphatia and Koryis.  As such, the two Immortals have dispatched clerics 
to travel there and take him into custody.  The clerics have Imperial 
backing supporting the venture.

   What The PCs Can Do: PCs in Haldemar may be accepted as members of 
the party.  Those that have pursued Zandor will be given priority.  The 
party will also need Neathar guides familiar with the Gentle Folk and 
the land.


FYRMONT 17, AC 1015: Battered Army Reach Home.
   Location: Tenpocatliotl, Azca.  HW

   Description: When the remnants of the army arrive back in the 
half-ruined city of Tenpocatliotl, the leading generals are immediately 
arrested by clerics of Atzanteotl, clapped in chains, and paraded 
through the center of the city before being marched to Chitlacan.  
There, they are tried by the Emperor and found guilty of treason against 
the state.  As a punishment, they will be sacrificed the next day at 
noon, so that Atzanteotl Himself may teach them the consequences of 
second-guessing His wisdom.
   The peasants, however, blame the defeat on the clerics, who are 
increasingly being seen as lazy, cowardly and self-interested, in fact 
interested only in the letting of sacrificial blood.  However, these 
opinions, though thought by many, are spoken only by very few.  One of 
the few is Papalotl, who preaches briefly near the capital city itself, 
before disappearing again, eluding the authorities once more.  (See Fy. 
6, Fy. 11; Fy. 21, Am. 9.)

   What This Means: The battle did not please Atzanteotl, despite its 
failure.  He admonished His clerics in the Azcan Empire for not 
enforcing His will, sending many of them terrible nightmares dominated 
by an awful image of a huge flying viper eating the clerics.  This 
explains the clerics' actions after the battle.
   Nevertheless, Atzanteotl's purposes are not fully achieved.  While 
the Schattenalfen are left strong and reasonably unscathed for the 
potentially-perilous months ahead, the Azcans are left battered, angry 
and with morale at an all-time low.  The feeling of the troops 
themselves is that they were abandoned by the clerics and thus by their 
patron.  This only worsens as the events in Chitlacan unfold, and these 
feelings soon spread among the common folk (many of whom have, or had 
before the battle, relatives in the military).


FYRMONT 21, AC 1015: Generals Escape.
   Location: Chitlacan, Azca.  HW

   Description: During the "night", two of the leading generals are 
freed from imprisonment and are not present the next sleep for 
sacrifice.  Furious, the Emperor orders first the surviving sergeants 
then an entire platoon of soldiers from the missing generals' forces to 
be sacrificed.  The more zealous followers of Atzanteotl relish the 
chance to witness such a mass sacrifice, but the majority of the 
population is appalled to see fellow Azcans, especially innocent, 
hard-working Azcans, under the sacrificial knife.  (See Fy. 11, Fy. 17; 
Am. 9, Am. 12.)

   What This Means: The clerics of Atzanteotl take this as an 
opportunity to up the sacrifices once more, and ever-larger numbers of 
sacrificial victims are called for.  The boxes in the great plaza in 
Chitlacan begin to fill up beyond their capacity.
   Above all this rises the unconditional help and love of Papalotl.  He 
wins many of the common folk to his cause during these dark days, and 
many more begin to talk quietly among themselves about the legend of 
Papalotl, and the forbidden prophecy of Quetzalcoatl.		It was of course 
Papalotl who rescued the two generals (both of whom were reasonably 
agnostic) from the blade of the sacrificial knife.  These generals are 
delivered into the care of some common folk loyal to Papalotl, and sent 
through a network of sympathisers to the north, to the more free and 
increasingly anti-Atzanteotl city of Titlapoca.
   Ironically the clerics' reaction to the defiance of Papalotl and the 
generals only worsens their reputation among the general populace.


FYRMONT 27, AC 1015: Prisoner Uprising.
   Location: Haldemar, Alphatian Neatharum.  HW

   Description: Several of the Neathar prisoners of war stir up their 
fellows.  Tempers flare and soon a number of the Neathar begin rioting 
in their cells.  The guards quickly put down the rioters and the 
ringleaders are separated from the other prisoners.  (See Kl. 21, Fy. 5; 
Sv. 3, Sv. 21.)

   What This Means: Since their being taken prisoner, the Neathar 
warriors have been taken care of.  Despite their full bellies, the 
prisoners have very little to do.  Their boredom has caused them great 
anxiety and they struck out at their captors.  The Neathar lack the 
weapons and numbers to overwhelm the guards.
   When the dust settles, the guards quickly round up the Neathar that 
led the riots and Commander Ezreilla has them separated from the 
prisoners to prevent future troubles.  However, she realizes that the 
prisoners will continue to be a problem.  There has been no directives 
given on the fate of the Neathar except that they will be needed for 
negotiation purposes.  Unfortunately, no word has come forth regarding 
any negotiations.




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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:18:49 +0100
From: Cobaye <Frederic.DeLaval@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - mail server break down

I've written down this, and after three long days, my mail server works right.
It's ok; i have every messages sent for MML, 33 in a same time. in fact it was
Wanadoo's mail server which had a technical problem.
Thanks to Christopher for this litle story, hoping we're not disgusting WoC and
TSR, with our canon and non canon discussions.
This Mystara mailing list must live.

Cobaye a écrit:

> I don't know if you had this?
>
> Hi everybody
> I've had a little problem on my mail server. It's break down.
> So i hadn't any message since Tue 19h56 Greenwich mean time, last posted
>
> by James Ruhland.
> Does someone can send me the mail since?
> Thanks,
>
> Fred"Cobaye"de Laval.
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:04:12 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:
>
> > So we might be able to get more detail from the MMB? What was that address again?
> >
> > Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com
>
> That didnt work! Help me..please?
> I'm using Lynx today, so surfing around is a bit bothersome..

I hope someone else knows about Lynx...is it a server? Operating system?

Is it the free version of Linux?

>
>
> > Say...I wonder what a neh-thalguu ship would look like...
>
> Interesting question. I get these gigeresque visions. Something slimy
> gray-greenish bio-tech thingy...

Pretty much our conclusion on the MMB...are you still on Lynx? Do you have access to a
pc at all?

>
>
> Where are these guys from anyway? I thought they were from the Nightmare
> Dimension..?

You are correct, of course they could be found most anywhere...and alot depends on
whether, in your campaign, the Nightmare Dimension is a dimension or an outer plane...

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:05:25 +0100
From: Frank <fwils@utrecht.kvk.nl>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

I think both; with religious=historica, as only a small percentage of
Holland is still religious...

Frank


Kristian Kramer wrote:
> 
> I don't know, maybe historical vs. modern?   :-)
> 
> Kristian Kramer
> 
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't..."
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jamuga Khan [SMTP:JamugaKhan@gmx.net]
> > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 8:35 PM
> > To:   mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> > Subject:      Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
> >
> > > Kristian Kramer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In Holland the first day of the week is Sunday, but I have a calendar
> > from
> > > > Japan and on this one the first day of the week is monday...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm from Holland too, and for me, the week starts on monday...
> > >
> > > Frank
> >
> >
> > Is it a regional or a religious dispute?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                                                              Jamuga Khan
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:21:20 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

> But the main problem is that the sea arounf the polar holes are frozen. 
> So you can sail with a ship through it. Additionally I've got the
> impression that this region is very big, so the usual northmen's tactic
of
> drawing their ships wouldn't work.


§$%&/()=? typo !!!

Of course I wanted to say that you CANNOT sail with a ship through it.




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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:32:37 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A terrible fate

> This was true to a point, but not entirely. Some
> people have never switched.


Sadly I have to tell you that I'm now forced to play AD&D.  :-(

I've buyed D&D first, but started gaming with AD&D 1. Ed. .
It was disappointing, and I founded a new group dedicated to
"Dungeons and Dragons". It worked well, at least IMO.

Due to some changes a new player made the strong
suggestion to switch to AD&D - in the name of flexibility and progress !!!

He sees D&D as too rigid, and the vote was a big majority against me.

So I'm forced back to AD&D.  :-(

I'm not convinced! Probably I will play a bard or a ranger,
BUT NOT ONE ACCORDING TO AD&D RULES !!!

I will choose a class available in D&D, equipped with an
appropiated personality and likewise appropiated skills.

The struggle continues !!!



                                                            Jamuga Khan
					(Defender of D&D)
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:55:04 -0700
From: "Leroy Van Camp III" <malacoda@lesbois.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin

- ----------
> From: John Polacek <drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com>

> Hello all. This is my first post to the list so hopefully y'all can help 
> me.
> 
> I'm a big Mystara fan and DM 2 PBeM Mystara games right now (web-sites 
> coming soon...). In all of my games together, there a 3 halfling 
> characters. Unfortunately, The Five Shires gazeteer is one of the few I 
> do not have. I have enough general information on the Shires to fake it, 
> but if anyone has a copy they'd like to trade/sell, I'd definitely be 
> interested. Also, I could really use the WOTI set so I could add a 
> little more religious furor into the game. I know there are sites on the 
> web that sell out-of-print stuff, but so far, I've been woefully 
> unsuccessful in finding what I need. If anyone knows a really good site 
> that has lots of used RPG's in stock, please send me that too. Here's my 
> address:
> 
> drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com
> 
> Now, a question. One of the characters in my campaign has expressed his 
> interest in playing a halfling priest. Now, as far as I know, there is 
> no such thing in the Mystara world, but since I don't have the Shires 
> GAZ I'm not completely positive. In any case, I wish to let the player 
> be one, so I could really use some suggestions/feedback from all you 
> Mystara experts out there on this. What immortals do the Hin follow? 
> Perhaps this halfling cleric could be from a village near Rockhome and 
> borrow a deity from the dwarves. My campaign uses AD&D rules (since none 
> of the players are previously familiar with Mystara - I like 'em to be 
> fresh and blissfully unaware of my favorite campaign world), so if 
> anyone wants to make skill/ability suggestions, keep that in mind. 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 										---- John
> 
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:46:11 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis-War of The Immortals

On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Mehmet Baykara wrote:

> 
> Hi people,
> It's me again!
> Because I play AD&D version of mystara I don't have any valuable info 
> about Tyatis and the war of the Immortals.Where can I find info?

Thyatis:
Thyatis is the empire east of Karameikos. Its a bit like the Byzantine or
Roman empire.

More on this in the Dawn of the Emperors Boxed set.

Wrath of the Immortals: Its a scenario descriping the time AC 1000-1010
Basically, a disagreement between the Immortals Rad and Ixion leads to a
war between the two great empires Thyatis and Alphatia. The war ends when
Rads Doomsday device accidentally sinks the continent of Alphatia.

More on this in the Wrath of the Immortals Boxed set.

I suppose both of these boxed sets are difficult to find, but if you do,
they are recommended and should be easily converted to AD&D.

Håvard

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:06:06 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell: Wynter's Conjured Companion

I want to see more posts like this one!  Good job!

EzJ25@aol.com wrote:

> Like the AD&D's Find Familiar spell, the Conjured Companion creates and binds
> a creature to the magic-user to aid him (or her) in his vocation.  Use of this
> spell is extremely dangerous for low level mages, but the sheer difficulty of
> properly casting this spell ensures only the most experienced and intelligent
> (or lucky) mages gain a companion.
>
> Wynter's Conjured Companion
> Level: Magic-user 1
> Range: 0
> Duration: Permanent
> Effect: Creates a servitor creature for the caster.
>      This spell creates a servitor creature for the casting mage.  Though low
> in level, Conjured Compaion requires several key components to be provided by
> the caster in order for the magic to properly function and even then there is
> a chance part of the ritual is done incorrectly.  To cast this spell, the
> caster must gather the following components: a pure silver brazier worth 500
> gp, a block of rare incense worth 100 gp,  rare oils costing 200 gp and a
> piece of the creature to be conjured (at least 1 pound and not less than 1
> week old).  The actual casting of the spell requires 24 full hours of casting,
> requiring constitution checks every 4 hours (6 total).  At the completion of
> the spell, the components are all expended and the caster's chance of success
> is determined as follows:  15% base chance of success
>
> +2 % per level of the caster
> +1 % per 100 gp value of the components over the value of the required
> components
> -10% for each component missing
> -5% per hit dice of the creature's typical racial hit dice
> -5% per special ability of the creature's race
> -10% for each failed constitution check
> Automatic failure if no creature flesh is present
>
> In any case, the spell's maximum chance for success can be no higher than 95%
> after all modifiers are accounted for.  If the spell fails, the mage must wait
> until he gains a level before attempting it again.
>      If successful, the pound of flesh the caster procured begins slowly
> growing.  It takes 1 week per level of the caster for the companion to grow
> into it's adult form.  Until that time, it is enclosed in a fleshy coccoon.
> During this phase the creature can be destroyed with no ill effects to the
> caster.
>      When 'hatched', the creature has an intelligence rating of 10-15 (9+1d6)
> and the normal abilities of a typical member of its race (except as outlined
> on the table below).  In addition to its native tongue, the companion
> understands the caster's native tongue and is empathically linked to the
> caster when within 1 mile.  The companion will serve the caster unwaveringly,
> even to death, but when given tasks and jobs to do the companion will carry
> them out according to their intelligence.  The hit dice saving throws and hit
> points of the companion are as follows:
> Caster's Level          Hit Dice                Save As         Hit Points
> 1-4                                     1                       M-U 1                   1d6+1
> 5-8                                     2                       M-U 2                   2d6+2
> 9-12                            3                       M-U 3                   3d6+3
> 13-16                           4                       M-U 4                   4d6+4
> 17-20                           5                       M-U 5                   5d6+5
> 21-24                           6                       M-U 6                   6d6+6
> 25-28                           7                       M-U 7                   7d6+7
> 29-32                           8                       M-U 8                   8d6+8
> 33-35                           9                       M-U 9                   9d6+9
> 36                                      10                      M-U 10                  10d6+10
>
>      As the caster rises (and maybe falls) in levels, his conjured companion
> will as well.  If the companion has spell abilities (as dragons may) they will
> not exceed the companion's racial maximum.  If the companion is slain, the
> caster loses 3 levels and must roll a saving throw versus spells.  If failed
> the caster also loses 1d6+1 hit points permanently.
>      This spell will not create humans, demihumans, undead or other planar
> creatures.  The caster may only have one companion serving him at any one
> time.
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mystara-digest      Saturday, December 12 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 746



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - Re: A World in Flames -- AC 1015
Re: [MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon
[MYSTARA] - apologies
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World
[MYSTARA] - OD&D material
Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology
Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
[MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology
[MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
[MYSTARA] - Absent players
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology
[MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months- HEBREW !
[MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: The Grue]
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:17:07 +1100
From: stan <shawn@leme.anu.edu.au>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: A World in Flames -- AC 1015

>On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:
>
>> Now, these Wolves of Heldann you refer to, are they monsters or men?
Would I be able to
>> find out more on the MMB?
>	The Wolves of Heldann are men that come from the alternate
>Heldannic Knight timeline. Basically during a reorganization of the Orders
>principles one of the warbirds mutinied and the crew captured the ship.
>Being that those who mutinied where conscripted Heldann natives they
>started attacking Heldannic intrests.
>	They also replaced their skygem with a Glantri hull enchantment to
>allow their ship to fly.
>
>Some of this alternate timeline can be found on stan's site. 
>www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304

I'd rather hope that all of the alternate timeline can be found there.
For those who might be confused about the indexing of the pages I'll
take this time to explain my logic using these two examples 

1) all the Heldannic stuff
2) the World in Flames stuff

1) The Heldannic stuff is all about the Heldannic Territories and so
is listed under the geography section (basically anything which is closely
linked to any one place can usually be found in the geography section).
Going by my definitions on the geography page the Heldannic Territories is
located in the area of Mystara known as the Known World.  Here the seperate
countries are listed by alphabetical order and so the Heldannic Territories
will be under H.  After that for the actual articles are a bit more of a
mess.

2) The World in Flames stuff is a wide ranging campaign idea.  Therefore
on the page if you go down the list to Adventure and Campaign Ideas
and then go down to the section Campaign Ideas you can find things posted
about the World in Flames.

Caveat:  the homepages are really just a repository for information,
it really is better if you get involved in things on either this forum
or the MMB.  this public service announcement has been brought to you
by the good people at Annubis Meats, where you are free to experience
high quality service and good meat products.

stan
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:36:46 +0100
From: "Hecate" <hecate@chez.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon

I looked for information about that in the Joahuan's Almanac, and there very few information about that. Here is what is written down:

"Klarmont 15: Night of the Res Moon
In Glantri, this month's full moon appaers red. Common superstition has it that evil spirits cause catastrophes tonight. Some wizards feel their senses are enhanced on this night; many become giddy."

Well, one thing is sure :-) This event occurs only in Glantri...

Nicolas.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Demmero@aol.com <Demmero@aol.com>
To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM <mystara-l@MPGN.COM>
Date: dimanche 6 décembre 1998 16:56
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Night of the Red Moon


>
>I'm not sure if this has been discussed previously (before I joined the list
>in July), but how do you all handle the Night of the Red Moon (the event in
>Glantri where mages affected by the moon can go a little bit crazy)?  Is this
>a world-wide event or limited to Glantri (and thus perhaps somehow related to
>that little Nucleus of the Spheres thingee)?
>
>Thanks in advance....
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:27:42 +1100
From: stan <shawn@leme.anu.edu.au>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - apologies

sorry for sending the same thing to the digest twice, I didn't get my copy of
digest 743 and so hadn't realised that it got through

stan
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:00:40 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

In a message dated 98-12-11 13:48:29 EST, you write:

<< > > Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com
 >
 > That didnt work! Help me..please?
 > I'm using Lynx today, so surfing around is a bit bothersome..
  >>

I also tried this with AOL . . . no joy!  You sure this is the correct
address?
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:15:51 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

In a message dated 12/11/98 3:04:35 PM, TGKhan wrote:

<<Of course I wanted to say that you CANNOT sail with a ship through it.









                                                             Jamuga Khan







"Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law.">>

Q: Does this make typos "law?"
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:33:43 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World

In a message dated 1998-12-11 12:19:19 Eastern Standard Time,
au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes:

> Cool! Now then, is there any place where I could download a copy of Civ 2,
>  or am I gonna hafta buy it like normal people? :)

Or more to the point -- is there any available program that would enable
people who do not have Civ 2 to look at the graphics from these files?
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:36:04 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material

If anyone with a website out there wants material for OD&D, I'd be glad to
provide a ton of files from my past and present campaigns.  Most of them are
based from the Known World (Karamiekos in particular) and my Elf, Arminath,
has done lots of research in spells (to help the poor magic-users out there
that only have a 13 spells per level in the lists in the Rules Cyclopedia).
Feel free to drop me a line, if you are looking for something in particular
(new spells, house rules that we've used IMC for years, new classes, whatever
else) just let me know and I'll be glad to help!

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:33:46 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology

In a message dated 1998-12-11 13:53:37 Eastern Standard Time,
mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it writes:

> PPS: also, speaking of ethymology, it is very interesting to see how the
>  words "Dooms" and "Wyrd" were of capital importance in the ancient germanic
>  world. I am one of those few who think that the Immortal Verthandi refers
>  to RW Wyrd and whose worship should be far more spread in the Northern
>  Reaches and Norwold..

On the other hand, Wyrd would be far more powerful than a mere god and
so should perhaps correspond to an Old One.  Worshiping Wyrd would 
seem to be a very bad idea -- it literally would be tempting Fate.  
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:39:39 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World

>Cool! Now then, is there any place where I could download a copy of Civ 2,
>or am I gonna hafta buy it like normal people? :)
>
I'm afraid so. However the Multiplayer Gold Edition just came out, and it includes everything included in Civ2 and its add-ons.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:19:59 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

At 17.54 08/12/98 +0100, Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:

>This has thrown me into a nasty dilemma. Should I use this, or tha
>Almanacs? 

None of the two :-)
Create your own timeline and post it on the MMB. 

>Alfheim: Seems to be left out of the picture. What happened to the elves
>in your story? I mean the Shadoweveles are there alright, but whatabout
>the Alfheim Avengers?
>
>Another thing you didnt mention is whatever happened to Rad...did you
>leave him out on purpose?

I wondered that myself.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:38:42 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= <ohadshm@inter.net.il>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

>> Say...I wonder what a neh-thalguu ship would look like...

>Interesting question. I get these gigeresque visions. Something slimy
>gray-greenish bio-tech thingy...

>Where are these guys from anyway? I thought they were from the Nightmare
>Dimension..?

>Im not saying they couldnt have colonized a planet in Mystaras Galaxy...
>Something for our MSpace-project Marco?

>Håvard

just to understand,
we are talking about brain collectors right?

Morphail

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:59:24 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

At 19.34 08/12/98 EST,  Bruce replied to Håvard:

[Alfheim]

>You're right -- I left them out. I didn't see a major role for them during
the
>conflict. I had my hands filled with everything else going on and thought the
>addition of yet another twist would just complicate the plot too much. Anyone
>wants to jump in and come up with a "patch" for these Avengers? (Since the
>Shadow Elves seem to be on the side of the WDL during the conflict, it would
>make sense for the Avengers to join the Ethengar Pact.)

But what about the Alfheim refugees in Wendar and Karameikos. Do the elves
in Wendar fight alongside Wendarians? Do those in Karameikos side with
Valen or Adriana?

[Rad]

>Ditto. If he's an Immortal, then he has no business getting involved since
>these events are NOT connected to the Immortals. Besides, the other Immortals
>would be watching him awfully closely as a result of Wrath of the Immortals.
>If he's back as a mortal wizard, he'd just be a part of the Glantrian Council
>(therefore one of the main commanders of the Loyalist Army). Then again, he
>might not be back as of yet, depending on whether DM's already ran the later
>Castle Amber adventure. So, I left that issue vague.

Well, but Mark of Amber is supposed to take place in AC 1012 IIRC, so if
you go with canon (as you did with the WDL) he should be back either as a
mere mortal or as an Immortal.

Another thing that puzzled me about the Glantrian Princes is that none of
them dies during this long war. Glantri is ransacked and ravaged, but none
of the Princes dies either violently (killed in battle, murdered) or by
natural causes (diseases, hearth attacks...).
Maybe in the Net-Almanacs too many established NPC were killed, but in your
timeline only the Karameikan chancellor is removed IIRC!

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:04:14 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 12/11/98 11:56:29 AM Central Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no
writes:

>> Check out the MMB!
 
> Thankyou Jeff, but the MMB seems to be in serious trouble :(
> I couldnt access it using Netscape either. This isnt just me is it?
> Håvard

Don't try to access it directly as a web site. Use the newsgroup browser
available in your Netscape package (click on Collabra and set up the
TSR.wizards.com server -- then subscribe to the message boards your are
interested in). I just tried the site minutes ago and it seems to be working
fine. Hope this helps.

The point about World in Flames and the Heldannic Knights is moot anyway
because all of that information as removed (old threads are removed
automatically after 2 weeks of inactivity) so if you do visist and find
something interesting, copy and save it before the TSR ogres eat it all up!

Bruce Heard

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:48:44 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology

Quite a nice exposition! 
I think I can help you with the Samedi / Samstag problem: It is nothing but
a phonetical tranformation of the Hebrew Sabbat according to Latin
speakers: "Sambata", which appears in vulgar Latin:

So, Frech contracted Sambata + dies = samedi and German took the Sambata
word and merged it with Tag. Spanish dropped the "dies" (day) altogether
and used the (more correct) "sabbath" so we have the closer word to the
original: "sábado".

BTW, Portuguese (and Galician) are quite special, because they have dropped
completely the traditional naming according to gods and they just count the
days beggining with Monday and only Sunday keeps its name Domingo ("day of
the Lord"):

Mon = 	prima feria ("first day")
Tue = segunda feria ("second day")
etc...

Andrés

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:16:41 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= <ohadshm@inter.net.il>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

>
>
> Eir = Eier (German) = Eggs. So Eirmont means Eggmonth or maybe 'birdmonth'?
> When birds fly south (or to wherever they go)? But then birds don't lay
> eggs, do they?
- -
- -
>Very interesting!  Perhaps when the chicken farmers know to go collect the eggs?
>Or perhaps it is "Airmonth"?

just for general knowledge-
most birds lay eggs in the springtime.
chickens lay eggs every day (at least in the 20th century they do thanks for inbreeding) and not in any perticular month. these eggs are infertile and are the equivelent of womens periods. (eeuuww!)
bon apetite!

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:54:15 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

At 06.43 08/12/98 -0500, Daly wrote:

>This is a really neat timeline!!!!!

As if you've not seen it before on the MMB...

Quoting from 4 different messages of yours:

>So we might be able to get more detail from the MMB? What was that address
again?
>
>Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com

>Now, these Wolves of Heldann you refer to, are they monsters or men? Would
I be able to
>find out more on the MMB?

>Hmm, the Grand Council huh? Has anyone been dealing with Alphatia and the
Grand Council
>on the MMB?

>This Thyatis, as described, seems a little odd.  Almost...more Byzantine
if you ask me.
>Did someone do a Byzantine alternate Thyatis on the MMB?
>
>Say, was it complete with artwork too?

Are you trying to advertising the MMB or what else?
Almost all of us know that you're a regular reader of the MMB, so why are
you asking all those questions? You already know the answers, those are
just bad taste ads IMO.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:51:47 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= <ohadshm@inter.net.il>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Absent players

>The simplest solution IMC is the "Player Bag of Holding".  The character of a
missing player goes into the bag and is invulnerable to all forms of
everything, a type of stasis if you will.  The bag is assigned to the group
and whoever shows up for the next game has the bag.

>Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter

IMHO what youre doing here is mixing the game itself with the "gaming" .
what I mean is youre treating the PC as the actual players (otr the other way around) its like the PC saying to someone in the game that he is "lawful good" .
if youre *players* are absent it doesnt mean theyre characters are nor are they invulenerable (spelling?) .
to stay logical in game the charechter must become an NPC while the player is away (a "Not here Player Charecter"...) .
in my group we used to give the charechter to one of the other players. that came out realy fun as that player did what he could at guessing how the missing player would play his charecter during different gaming situations.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:20:13 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

Jennifer Favia wrote:

> Very interesting, Bruce all of it...Although I do have one comment:
>
> Why, for all the upheaval in the world in your timeline through those
> five years, did everything end up practically back where it had started?
> It takes away any feel of real development in Mystara and, I think,
> cheats the reader some. I, for one, would like to see a little less
> hedging on so sweeping a work...

Good point Jenn.
A famous Italian novel says something like: "Change all so that nothing
changes".
Bruce, didn't you wrote on the MMB that you don't like campaigns whith
static worlds that don't change throughout the years. (Sorry, can't find
the exact quoting)

Now, my comments.
Overall a good and interesting timeline, though maybe a bit too stretched
in time if compared, for example, with the PWAs where the event have a
faster pace.

Very good work with Shadow Elves, though you could have used Prince Erian
(from the novel "Son of Dawn") instead of creating Prince Eolemnon. Moreso
if you consider that elves rarely have more than 2 children and King
Telemon already has 3: Princess Tanadaleyo (GAZ 13), Prince Erian and
Princess Calenderi (Son of Dawn).

I was a bit disappointed that you almost left out of the picture Sind,
Minrothad, Atruaghin, Ierendi and above all Hule.
Also, you dind't mention the Alfheim refugees, both in Wendar and
Karameikos. What do Doriath&Co. do in this big war?
And what about Rad? How does Mark of Amber (AC 1012) fit in your timeline?

PS: I've not read all the MML messages yet, so ignore my questions if
you've already answered them.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:33:45 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology

In a message dated 1998-12-11 13:53:37 Eastern Standard Time,
mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it writes:

> Note that even though it seems Wotan and Jupiter are assigned to two
>  different days, in fact they are not: both mark the middle of the week, but
>  since the Romans counted the days starting from Monday and the Germans from
>  Sunday, the two got two different days. Both days are the fourth day of the
>  relative week, however.

Wrong -- otherwise the other days would not agree so well.  The actual
identifications (made by the Romans themselves) are as follows:

Mercury/Hermes = Woden
Jupiter/Zeus = Thor

The heads of the pantheons are not the same deity at all.  The Romans
probably identified Mercury/Hermes with Woden because both were
patrons of magic -- note the stories of how Woden obtained wisdom
and access to the runes as well as the meaning and associations of
the word "hermetic".

As for Jupiter/Zeus and Thor, note that both of these deities wielded
thunder and lightning as weapons.

>  Last note: I have not been able to find any references to the root of
>  Saturday/Samstag. It is not possible that it's Saturn, since it's a roman
>  god and the Germans were incredibly proud of their own pantheon to accept
>  such a foreign god. 

I don't know about Samstag, but Saturday certainly did originate as
"Saturn's Day".  Maybe there was something about the original name
that the Christianized English found objectionable and so they replaced
it with the Continental name?  Given the names that they kept, any
predecessor of "Saturday" would have had to sound like "Satan's
Day" to them to have been replaced.

On the other hand, it does not seem that the Germans and Norse were 
too proud to accept the Roman correspondences between their gods 
and those of the Romans, so who knows what else they might have 
accepted from the Romans?
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:10:24 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= <ohadshm@inter.net.il>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months- HEBREW !

I thoght it would be apropriate if i would add the hebrew weekdays.
well -
first day
seconed day
third day..
stupid huh?!
shows you what thousends years of civilizations can do...
the exception is the "Shabat" which is saturday and its the last day of the week (sunday is a normal working weekday in Israel)
the name is from the bible (genesis) and it comes from the word "shvita" which means "to strike" cause god ordered us to dont do any work on that day (instead you can go to clubs and get drunk...)
the planet saturn in hebrew is called "shabtai" becaus the inventor of modern hebrew (eliezer ben yehuda) thought of an equivelent for the planet name in europian langueges.
now months of the year have realy wierd names which every Israely child learns to sing in kinder garden.
these names are very ancient as far AFAIK they predate judaism. thier sourse is bablonian or ashurian and they  are mostly names of ancient pagen gods.
I see the relevence to Alphatia here.
so if you want them here goes:
1.Tishray - early autumn
2.Cheshvan (or Mar cheshvan) - first rains (in israel..) 
3.Kislev - chrismes time (Chanuka here.. happy hollydays everyone)
4.Tevet- winter
5. Shvat- end of winter and early spring. has a nature holliday on its 15th day marking spring
6. Adar - spring
7. Nisan- still spring , time for passover (YUMMY!)
8. Iyar - summer
9. Sivan - summer
10. Tamuz- summer
11. Av- guess...
12. Elul- summer ends (hurrey!)
 
I dont know what each means but at least 10 and 12 are ancient gods.

I hope Im not too of topic..

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:54:48 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: The Grue]

    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff")
    To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'")
    Subject: The Grue
    Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:10:12 -0500

    
    Here's another new monster for you.  Remember Zork, and other classic text
    adventures? I don't know about the rest of you, but I always loved those
    games, wandering about, and then entering dark rooms, the only description
    being "It is dark; you are likely to be eaten by a grue."
    
    Of course, if you dawdled about for too long, you *were* eaten up, but
    nothing captures the dread of the dark for me as much as that nasty ol'
    grue.  So, why not share the pain with your players? :-)
    
    Thus, I humbly present:
    
    *************
    
    The Grue
    
    Armour Class:  6  
    Hit Dice:  6* (L)
    Move:  120' (40')
    Attacks:  2 claws or 1 bite
    Damage:  2d4+2/2d4+2 or 3d4
    No. Appearing:  1 (1d4)
    Save As:  F 6
    Morale:  10
    Treasure Type:  P
    Intelligence:  6
    Alignment:  Neutral
    XP Value:  500
    
    Grues are 7' tall, semi-bipedal creatures who prowl subterranean caverns and
    long-forgotten ruins.  Cunning creatures, their most common tactic is to lie
    in wait for their prey to come near, and then snatch them.  In fact, most of
    their lives are spent in total darkness, and they shun most light sources.
    Even the light of a torch is too bright for them.  If forced to fight near
    any light source, a grue's morale immediately falls to 4.
    
    Few people have seen a grue and lived to tell the tale.  Most survivors
    agree that their skins tend to be scaly, and a slate grey in colour.  Their
    heads are dominated by a large set of powerful, tooth-filled  jaws, and
    their paws end in long, wicked claws.  Other subterranean creatures shun
    grue caverns, and in fact some creatures have been known to draw their
    enemies towards known grue lairs, in the hopes that these hideous creatures
    will finish them off.
    
    Grues possess very strong infravision, being able to see up to 120' in the
    dark, as well as well-developed senses of smell and hearing.  Their lairs
    are littered with crushed bones and fragments of armour - the remnants of
    previous meals.  Though they carry no treasure, their lairs do contain the
    valuables of past victims.
    
    

- --
Geoff Gander, BA 97
Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon
Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog
au998@freenet.carleton.ca
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:18:38 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

     
> 
> Very good work with Shadow Elves, though you could have used Prince Erian
>
Prince Ehran? Is he a scribe of some kind, perchance? Oh, nevermind.
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mystara-digest      Saturday, December 12 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 747



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - [IP] Saimpt Clebard
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material
Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material
Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology
Re: [MYSTARA] - (Original) D&D Woes
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:03:47 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Saimpt Clebard

This was also done by Agathokles. I will eventually get to doing something myself, now that holidays are coming (I have Benekander next on my list :)

- -------

Saimpt Clebard

(The Holy King)
Demipower of Arborea, LG/Initiate of Thought, L

PORTFOLIO: Loyalty, fidelity, family, the law, love between those of good breeding
ALIASES: None
DOMAIN: Arborea/Olympus/The Plain of Lilies
DATE OF ASCENSION: 954 AC
SPONSOR: Korotiku
ALLIES: Korotiku, Saimpt Malinois, Saimpt Ralon
FOES: Yazak pantheon, Saimpt Loup
SYMBOL: Fleur de Lis on azure field
WAL: Any
In mortal life, Clébard de Clairvault was a wizard and one of the lupin followers of Sire Claude d'Ambreville. After his presumed death (and the disappearance of Château d'Ambreville) in 896, Clébard left Glantri, as he already disagreed with the Glantrian succession laws that excluded Claude from inheritance of his title. He reached Renardy with other Glantrian lupins, and there he became Baron de Marmandie. Clébard married Princess Ralon of Renardy and inherited the throne, starting the feudal age of his country. It was under Clébard's rule that most of the current Renardois law was codified, unifying ancient lupin traditions and the legal principles that Clébard learned from Sire Claude. Clébard also gave his name to the royal dynasty and added his Fleur de Lis to the old Golden Fox in the kings' coat of arms. Having ruled his country for nearly twenty years, he abdicated in favour of his eldest son Gaston in 928. He attained immortality only in 954, under Korotiku's sponso!
rship.

The Church
CLERGY: Priests, defenders
CAL: LG, LN, LE
WEAPONS: Sabre, rapier, dagger, staff, lance, spear
ARMOR: Any
MAJOR SPHERES: All, Law, Protection, Thought, Healing, Guardian
MINOR SPHERES: Divination, Wards
GRANTED POWERS: Calm Others 1/day
BONUS PROFS: Law

DOGMA: Loyalty and goodness are the main concerns of this Immortal, who stands as the paragon of the civilised lupin. Followers must be loyal to their liege, and should be peaceful, but ready to defend their lord and their families.
DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES: Clergy of Saimpt Clébard preside over weddings and other ceremonies related to family life. Individual priests also act as advisors for noble families. Even though Clébard has been acknowledged as a Saimpt only half century ago, his clergy is now quite powerful, mainly thanks to the support received from the royal family and other noble houses of Renardy.
IMPORTANT CEREMONIES/HOLY DAYS: Many marriages are celebrated on the day of Saimpt Clébard, the 1st of Klarmont.
MAJOR CENTERS OF WORSHIP: Saimpt Clébard is revered in all Renardy, the major centers of worship being Mons-en-Plécy and Louvines. Most lupin nobles are followers of Saimpt Clébard or Saimpt Renard, and many monasteries are held by Clébardite clergy.
AFFILIATED ORDERS: There is no affiliated order, but lupin Honorbound commonly follow Saimpt Clébard's teachings, in addition to the Warrior's Code.
PRIESTLY VESTMENTS: Priests of Saimpt Clébard wear pure white tunics with the symbol of their patron, a white lily on blue field.
ADVENTURING GARB: Most priests of Saimpt Clébard aren't great travellers, but those who enjoy adventuring often dress as the upper classes do (priests of Saimpt Clébard often are nobles).

Clébardite Spells
Compared Analyse Balance (Divination)
Level: 3
Sphere: Divination
Range: 10' radius
Components: V,S,M
Duration: 1 round
Casting Time: 1 round
Area of Effect: 2 persons
Saving Throw: Neg.
This is a variant of the first level spell Analyse Balance (from the Tome of Magic). Clébardite priests use it during the bethrotal ceremonies. The spell allows the caster to sense the difference of the alignments (on each axis) of two creatures in a 10' radius from the priest (who cannot be one of the two affected creatures). This spell never shows the direction of variation, but the priest as a 5% per level chance of forecasting the possibility of a dissension within the couple, and the approximate time of such event. The priest must then do his best to keep this event from happening.

Priest of Saimpt Clébard may also use Personal Reading (ToM), even if they do not have access to the sphere of Numbers.

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aka Azure Star Dragon
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:07:12 -0700 (MST)
From: John Hare <wabbit@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
> > I liked the Black Jacks and especially Lord Night. This is perhaps one of
> the most dramatic results of the war and it makes Fenswick way more
> interesting.
> 
> Okay. I sketched out a description for the Back Jacks which explains why they
> betrayed Synn. Of course, I can't find my darn file right now! Since John Hare
> has been kind enough to answer some of the questions related to the World in
> Flames timeline (and has apparently kept copies of my posts on the MMB), I'm
> hoping he re-posts the stuff on the Black Jacks. 
> 
> Hi John! Thanks John! :D
Black Jack file as ordered. :)
Here's a rough description of the Black Jack. It is a *rough* that I
expect to fix at a later time, so please feel free to comment and point
out game problems. Thanks!

*********************


Black Jack

        Spellkin        Livekin         Greaterkin

AC:     6               3               0
HD:     2               4               12
MV:     9'              12'             12'

AL:     LE              LE              LE
INT:    3               8+              16+             
STR:    12              14              16

Att:    Tendril (1)     Tendril (1)     Tendril (1) or spell    
Dmg:    d6              d6 or weapon    d6, or weapon, or spell
Def:    Mindless        Immune to fear  Create fog
MR:     Nil             Nil             15%     

The Black Jack (or pumpkinhead warrior) is the result of a Glantrian
spell enchantment. Initially, the spell covers a square-shaped area
3x3ft per exp. level of the caster. Any pumpkins growing with the area
of effect are enchanted (no save) and grow into Spellkin within 12
hours.
        The Black Jack comes in three sorts, the Spellkin, the Livekin,
and the
Greaterkin. The first is the direct result of the spell, which has
minimal intelligence (zombie-like). The livekin is a sentient creature
resulting from a Spellkin that was kept active for too long. The
Greaterkin is a more powerful version of the the Livekin which has the
power to control its lesser cousins.

The Spellkin

A Spellkin looks like a pumpkin mounted on a gnarled, humanlike body
made of twisted roots and foliage. Its body is dark green and earth
brown and the head is orange with black openings for the eyes, the nose,
and mouth. A vague aura of darkness remains about these beings, somewhat
toning down the head's orange color and giving it a more sinister
appearance. Spellkin have infravision comparable to elves and do not
actually require sleep.
        The Spellkin remains active until destroyed in combat, dismissed
by its
creator, or dispelled (although the level of the creator has be to taken
into account before a Spellkin can be dispelled). The spellkin fights by
wrapping its root-like hands around one's throat. The victim must roll a
d12 under a special score to free itself (Victim's Strength minus
Spellkin's Strength). A roll of 1 is always a success including for the
cases the victim's Strength score is lower than the Spellkin's. The
attempt to free oneself takes an action. Failure results in the Spellkin
inflicting the stated damage. Spellkin are at a disadvantage when
fighting in direct sunlight (-1 to attacks and all saving throws, so
they often make their move while the weather is gloomy and overcast or
at night. Spellkin always remain under the authority of those who
enchanted them.
        The Spellkin that remains active for more than three months has a
10%
chance of becoming a Livekin on every full moon thereafter. If
prevailing temperatures drop to freezing or lower, the Spellkin is
slowed (as per the reversed spell). If the temperature remains below
freezing for a week or more, the Spellkin goes dormant until the
temperature rises again. Spellkin require water and nutrients from the
soil, which they get by digging tendrils into the ground. Spellkin need
to remain in contact with natural soil for an hour each day. Failing to
do this or drought conditions with high tempratures (90*f and above)
will dehydrate Spellkins within 1d4+1 days after which they wilt and
die.

The Livekin

The biggest differences with the Spellkin is that its alter ego is
sentient and capable of reproducing. A Livekin can reproduce once per
year. For this, it needs to take root for a day, after which 2d4 smaller
seedlings start growing from the soil. At this point, they still are a
part of the Liveklin's own body. When the seedlings reach the size of a
halfling three days later, they separate from the parent Livekin and
continue their growth which takes another three days. While they are
growing, seedlings have the abilities and statistics of a Spellkin. When
fully grown, the new Livekin can move and act of their own free will.
Livekin have the ability to speak in a screechy voice and wail a lot
when fighting. They like to steal the clothes of their victims, giving
them the ragged appearance of scarecrows -- other than this, they look
identical to Spellkin. Livekin commonly use weapons in combat.. 

The Greaterkin

The Greaterkin is a Livekin which has outgrown its lesser cousin.
Livekins have a basic 1% chance of reaching this stage after they have
survived a whole year. The Greaterkin has the ability to "mark" Livekin
and Spellkin within sight so that they obey its commands. Those so
marked cannot become Greaterkin themselves or revert to another
Greaterkin's authority. The mark is erased when the Greaterkin is
destroyed. Greaterkins are smart enough to work together toward a common
goal. They generally choose one of them to be their leader. Greaterkin
are able to cast spells like a 12th-level wizard in addition to the
spell that create Spellkins themselves, and generate natural fog. Such
fog moves outward from the Greaterkin at the rate of 9' per round. It is
immediately dispelled by strong winds or direct sunlight. The Greaterkin
can also take the appearance of any human-like lifeform until dispelled.

****************

Bruce Heard




"If death is inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."
	-Solomon Short	_A Season for Slaughter_
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:56:16 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:

> 
> 
> Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Daly wrote:
> >
> > > So we might be able to get more detail from the MMB? What was that address again?
> > >
> > > Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com
> >
> > That didnt work! Help me..please?
> > I'm using Lynx today, so surfing around is a bit bothersome..
> 
> I hope someone else knows about Lynx...is it a server? Operating system?

> Is it the free version of Linux?

Nope. Its a text based web browser for unix. Anyway, Ive managed to access
the MMB using Netscape now. Thanks anyway :)

> > > Say...I wonder what a neh-thalguu ship would look like...
> >
> > Interesting question. I get these gigeresque visions. Something slimy
> > gray-greenish bio-tech thingy...
> 
> Pretty much our conclusion on the MMB...are you still on Lynx? 
> Do you have access to a pc at all?

Sure. My main problem is that I aint using the same computer all the time.
I got one at home, but I dont have a modem for that one. But I tend to use
various computers (with various OSs), so i'm a bit confused with all this
technology :) 

> > Where are these guys from anyway? I thought they were from the Nightmare
> > Dimension..?

> You are correct, of course they could be found most anywhere...
> and alot depends on whether, in your campaign, the Nightmare Dimension
> is a dimension or an outer plane...

IMC its a dimension. Anyway, there is no reason why some of these
extradimensional or extraplanar beings couldn't have formed a colony deep
in Mystara Space.....

Håvard

***

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http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc

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Garrison, South Park.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:11:15 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

At 23.35 07/12/98 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
>AC 1019, 3rd Quarter: 

>Prince Valen, as the Karameikan guarantor of
>the treaty, travels to Thyatis. Eusebius isn’t happy about the choice, but
the
>treaty does not allow him to influence that choice. Lena Mauntea, daughter of
>Corwyn Mauntea of Darokin, trades places with Prince Gabronius Torion of
>Thyatis. Prince Eolemnon, brother of Princess Tanaladeyo, joins the other
>guests in the name of Aengmor’s Shadow Elves. The Sheriffs of the Five Shires
>elect Marmaduke Dustyboots, the brother of Jaervosz, to be their token
>presence in Thyatis. Ierendi sends a totally unknown figure, Tanga Kanakola,
>the son of one of the elected nobles in Ierendi (since the Queen and King are
>elected for such short terms, members of their families would not necessarily
>be of use or even available). Finally, Ylaruam sends Khadija, a rambunctious
>ten-year-old child and twelfth wife of Mohammed Al-Kalim, along with her
>eunuch guard, her preceptor, and her servants.

I barely understand all this exchange of "guarantors of the treaty".
I cannot see how this can guarantee the treaty. A good politician should
care about his nation, not just his family. If, for example, Corwyn Mauntea
decides that the treaty is no good for Darokin he shouldn't have any
problem breaking the treaty even if his daughter is in Thyatis. And if
Eusebius kills (or jails, or tortures..) Lena Mauntea in retaliation he
just gives Corwyn a confirmation that he did the good thing by breaking the
treaty.
Nobody said being a leader is an easy task...

BTW: I doubt the Shadow Elves would bother to send a representative among
treacherous humans, and certainly not a Prince.


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:07:51 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

Someone wrote:

> You already know the answers, those are
> just bad taste ads IMO.

Lighten up.  We're all friends here.

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:19:40 +1300
From: Richard Vowles <rvowles@sew.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material

EzJ25@aol.com wrote:

> If anyone with a website out there wants material for OD&D, I'd be glad to
> provide a ton of files from my past and present campaigns.  Most of them are
> based from the Known World (Karamiekos in particular) and my Elf, Arminath,
> has done lots of research in spells (to help the poor magic-users out there
> that only have a 13 spells per level in the lists in the Rules Cyclopedia).
> Feel free to drop me a line, if you are looking for something in particular
> (new spells, house rules that we've used IMC for years, new classes, whatever
> else) just let me know and I'll be glad to help!

Why not get your own geocities web site (like most others!) and put it all up?

- --
Richard Vowles, Senior Systems Engineer,
Inprise New Zealand, MAIL: rvowles@inprise.com, rvowles@sew.co.nz
HTTP: The Esperanto Group, www.esperanto.org.nz
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:33:12 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 1998-12-12 15:01:53 Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

> I barely understand all this exchange of "guarantors of the treaty".
>  I cannot see how this can guarantee the treaty. A good politician should
>  care about his nation, not just his family. If, for example, Corwyn Mauntea
>  decides that the treaty is no good for Darokin he shouldn't have any
>  problem breaking the treaty even if his daughter is in Thyatis. And if
>  Eusebius kills (or jails, or tortures..) Lena Mauntea in retaliation he
>  just gives Corwyn a confirmation that he did the good thing by breaking the
>  treaty.

The basic concept is the old "exchange of hostages" concept that was a 
common practice in feudal times.  However, it works well only between
hereditary monarchies and thus is not a good idea for Darokin.  After all,
Corwyn Mauntea is the chancellor of an oligarchy, not a monarch, and
he may well be powerless to prevent the ruling council of Darokin from
declaring war on Thyatis or doing something else that would violate the
treaty.  On the other hand, he does have considerable influence over this
council, he does seem to be able to stay in power for a long time, and
he has been compensated by the receipt of a hostage from Thyatis, so
this one is a close call.

Of the other nations, only Karameikos and Ylaruam are in a sufficiently
weakened position that there would be justification for them to have to
send hostages to Thyatis -- and their form of government does provide
for an obvious choice of royal heirs to use for that purpose.  However,
I am sure that the Thyatians know enough about Ylari culture to realize
that the 12th wife of the sultan is not a suitable hostage -- by sending
her away like that he has effectively divorced her and thus eliminated 
her value as a hostage.  The Thyatians really should insist on a son or 
brother of the sultan.

As for Ierendi and the Five Shires, the problems are quite obvious --
with no royal families or even close approximations among the local
"nobility", the hostages may or may not matter to the current rulers 
after the next shift of power.  In addition, neither of these nations did 
anything in the World in Flames scenario that would warrant them 
sending hostages to Thyatis.

The Shadow Elves do have a royal family and thus no problem in
selecting suitable hostages -- but since they too never harmed 
Thyatis, there is no reason for them to send a hostage either.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:04:03 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

>Are you trying to advertising the MMB or what else?
>Almost all of us know that you're a regular reader of the MMB, so why 
are
>you asking all those questions? You already know the answers, those are
>just bad taste ads IMO.

Ditto. Thank you, Brizio.

Jenn


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:45:24 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ethymology of Thyatian months

> I don't know, maybe historical vs. modern?   :-)


ROFL!!  :-)

But I wouldn't want to judge who's modern and
who's historical...




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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:51:16 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

> The entire sea propbably isn't frozen. A way through could be found,
> though this might be difficult. Another idea could be to employ some of
> the Giants in Frosthaven to carry the ships. Ofcourse, the brave norsemen
> should expect treachery from the giants..
> 
> Sounds like a campaign idea to me! :)

Of course!!   :-)

But I'm sure that the sea is frozen as it is a very good protection
against intruding ships.

OTOH we could assume iceriggers...

One small secret revealed: Captain Ebenezum from the Alphatian Imperial
Navy commands exactly that!




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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:12:53 -0800
From: "Jared Noble" <jnoble@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material

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> If anyone with a website out there wants material for OD&D, I'd be glad
to
> provide a ton of files from my past and present campaigns.  Most of them
are
> based from the Known World (Karamiekos in particular) and my Elf,
Arminath,
> has done lots of research in spells (to help the poor magic-users out
there
> that only have a 13 spells per level in the lists in the Rules
Cyclopedia).
> Feel free to drop me a line, if you are looking for something in
particular
> (new spells, house rules that we've used IMC for years, new classes,
whatever
> else) just let me know and I'll be glad to help!


	Would you happen to have a map of Karamiekos? As well as some city or town
maps?


								jace

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:52:07 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D material

I have the map from the Mystara Karameikos Kingdom of Adventure (AD&D) boxed
set.  If you want it it can be scanned.  There is also a good page on the ring
that someone has a Karameikos map on (I can't remember what the address is,
someone want to help me out?)  I also have a scanned image of the 1981 Expert
Rules map (black and white) of the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, but it is a
circa 980AC map, useful if you want to do a time travel adventure to the
beginning of the Kingdom.  As for town maps, I have scanned a ton of maps,
some detailed, some illustrated from a variety of sources (Dungeon Adventures,
Thunder Rift, Varoius OD&D modules).  Send me an address and I'll send some
files.

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:15:02 -0000
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm/jbyBOdW5lcw==?=" <np14jk@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - RW days ethymology

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>Latin Root
>
>Italian French Latin term
>Luned=EC Luned=EC Luna dies (day of the moon)
>Marted=EC Mard=EC Mars dies (day of Mars)
>Mercoled=EC Mercred=EC Mercuri dies (day of Mercury)
>Gioved=EC Jeud=EC Jupiter dies (Day of Jupiter)
>Venerd=EC Vendred=EC Venus dies (day of Venus)
>Sabato Samed=EC Sabbath (Hebrew for seventh day)
>Domenica Dimanche Domine dies (day of God)
>
>Spanish and Portuguese go here as well.


Actually, in Potugal the week starts at Sunday; although Sunday is =
Domingo (like in latin), Monday is "second-market" (segunda-feira), =
Tuesday is "third-market", and so on (fourth-, fifth-, and =
sixth-market), untill Saturday (S=E1bado). I don't think you'll find any =
similarity with week-days elsewhere.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:17:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - (Original) D&D Woes

> Actually. . . The Rules Cyclopedia did very well for TSR. In general the sale
> of Gazetteer titles did okay in general (less "well" than some of the bigger
> AD&D lines, but markedly better than its least performing). The Gazetteers'

> D&D was doing well enough sales-wise, at least
> considering overall market conditions, to be kept on the active list.

> The big reason why D&D was dropped is because of the probability it was indeed
> taking sales away from AD&D. This was true to a point, but not entirely.

Thanks for the inside info, Bruce, upsetting as it is.  Sad to see that
D&D was dumped simply because of territorialism and favoritism of one
product over another.  Simple market dynamics at least makes for a
sensible reason, if one we can still complain about.  But this...*sigh*

Nice to know our game sold well, though.

- - Mischa

That's what you need in a democracy.  You have to be willing to hear
another person's point of view and respond to it...the principle of
American democracy is that you have freedom; the question is: How will you
use it? - Wynton Marsalis

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:42:04 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

     
> 
> But this timeline starts in AC 1014 -- by this point Etienne should be
> back in power and publicly acknowledged as such.
> 
I may be missing something, but why should Etienne have re-appeared by 1014?
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:59:57 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1016

     
> course, given the Thyatian reputation for treachery, it is likely that
King
> Stefan remains suspicious and that events continue along the course
> already outlined....
>
. . .thus proving who is the *real* duplicitous one. . .
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:38:21 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>Very good work with Shadow Elves, though you could have used Prince Erian
>(from the novel "Son of Dawn") instead of creating Prince Eolemnon. Moreso
>if you consider that elves rarely have more than 2 children and King
>Telemon already has 3: Princess Tanadaleyo (GAZ 13), Prince Erian and
>Princess Calenderi (Son of Dawn).

Just a biologist's pet peeve here -- I've got a lot of those, as the MMB
crowd already knows! ;-D -- but I think it's a mistake to assume elves
seldom have more than two children, even if Gaz5 & Gaz13 disagree.  If
elves had such a low birthrate, they'd probably have gone extinct long ago:
every elf couple needs to have at least two healthy kids, on average,
merely to replace themselves in the population; and not every elf is
necessarily going to choose to have kids, or live long enough to become a
parent in the first place.

Rather, it's more reasonable to say that very few elf couples will be
found, raising more than two children (i.e. young elves who still live with
and depend upon their parents, as they aren't physically mature or haven't
yet assumed the responsibilities of adult clan members) at the same time.
A given elf might settle down and raise a kid or two, then set aside
parenthood for a few decades or centuries, then decide he or she'd like to
have children again.  Certainly, the huge extended family of the elf from
the XSOLO module "Blade Of Vengeance" supports this view that Mystara's
elves CAN have loads of offspring ... just not all at once, like halflings
or some humans choose to.


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mystara-digest       Sunday, December 13 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 748



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Saimpt Clebard
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months- Russian
Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months- HEBREW !
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - Minrothad calendar
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:43:39 +0100
From: Alvin Gellert <fantasy@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

>I barely understand all this exchange of "guarantors of the treaty".
>I cannot see how this can guarantee the treaty. A good politician should
>care about his nation, not just his family. If, for example, Corwyn Mauntea
>decides that the treaty is no good for Darokin he shouldn't have any
>problem breaking the treaty even if his daughter is in Thyatis. And if
>Eusebius kills (or jails, or tortures..) Lena Mauntea in retaliation he
>just gives Corwyn a confirmation that he did the good thing by breaking the
>treaty.
>Nobody said being a leader is an easy task...

The exchange of noble prisoners, usually sons of the ruler, was quite
common throughout medieval times in most of Europe and Asia as well. It was
both used as a means of true exchange, where it was done voluntarily, and
also done after a war, when the victorious part wanted to make sure that
the looser would think twice before challenging his might again.
Agreed on what you say that it is a tough job to be a ruler, but you forget
2 very important things in that :
First and foremost, in many nations of that time the ruler was supposed to
be honest and trustworthy, and hence would not break any treaties, the
hostage exchange merely ensured that. In any feudal country, there would
almost always be some kind of opposition to the ruler, and they would
likely jump at any chance to denounce the ruler as a cruel and dishonest
man, which could in a worst case scenario result in a civil war. This
would, of course, not occur in a culture which acted evil, but in reality
there were quite few of those back then. A man who was willing to not only
break his word, but also get his own kin killed in the process, would be
considered untrustworthy in all aspects, also when it came to honouring
agreements with his subjects, like protecting them. An untrustworthy ruler
would need lots of soldiers to ensure his rule, which would drain the money
from the nation, which again would lead to turmoil in which more military
would be needed. It would risk starting the downfall of the ruler, a thing
which I presume most rulers would hate happened to them.

The second important thing to remember was that the hostages exchanged was
usually not the youngest child, or some unimportant cousin. It was
traditionally the eldest son, who was the heir of the land. It would indeed
be a bad thing to have the heir to the throne killed, so the death of the
current ruler risked starting a war of succesion.

Alvin


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:23:46 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Saimpt Clebard

>This was also done by Agathokles. I will eventually get to doing something
>myself, now that holidays are coming (I have Benekander next on my list :)

If you're open to oddball interpretations of some minor Immortals, Aleksei,
I can work up descriptions of my HM setting's versions of a few whose
histories haven't previously been detailed, AFAIK:  Demogorgon, Iliric, and
Slizzark the Lurker (whom I'm reassigning to the Sphere of Thought, if
nobody objects; it's a lot more appropriate for a sneaky, mind-controlling
kopru, than Energy).  I've got HM-related ideas for a few of the major
Immortals, as well -- Mealiden, for one -- but the three above are ones
whose backgrounds and secrets I've essentially written up from scratch.

Given how skimpy the WotI descriptions of Demogorgon and Slizzark were, the
origins I've come up with for them shouldn't contradict anybody's campaign
very much.  As for Iliric ... well, let's just say that IMC, his rather
humdrum "mage-turned-Initiate" identity is a fraud, so that he can keep his
REAL history and motives out of Pandius's limelight.  ;-)


>Saimpt Clebard
>
>In mortal life, Clébard de Clairvault was a wizard and one of the lupin
>followers of Sire Claude d'Ambreville. After his presumed death (and the
>disappearance of Château d'Ambreville) in 896, Clébard left Glantri, as he
>already disagreed with the Glantrian succession laws that excluded Claude
>from inheritance of his title. He reached Renardy with other Glantrian
>lupins, and there he became Baron de Marmandie. Clébard married Princess
>Ralon of Renardy and inherited the throne, starting the feudal age of his
>country. It was under Clébard's rule that most of the current Renardois
>law was codified, unifying ancient lupin traditions and the legal
>principles that Clébard learned from Sire Claude.<

Something tells me an appropriate quest for a cleric of Smpt. Clebard would
be to cure poor Sire Claude -- whom the lupin Immortal obviously considered
a good friend and honorable leader -- of his vampirism.  It'd be a
difficult task (Raise Dead just kills the already-undead), but not
impossible:  if nothing else will do the job, a determined party of lupin
adventurers might sneak into Denagoth and steal the Blackstick (which can
resurrect undead, as well as slay them) from Landryn Teriak!  It'd be a
neat way to use the X11 maps and setting in a game, without having to play
out the same dry plotline of "beat up the evil Shadow Lord, then beat him
up again when he comes back from the grave".  :-)



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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:43:02 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 1998-12-12 22:04:51 Eastern Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

> I may be missing something, but why should Etienne have re-appeared by 1014?

Because _Mark of Amber_ (in which Etienne returns) is set in AC 1012. 
 
Even if we assume that it takes place near the end of the year, he should
be well established as being back in power at some point in AC 1013 --
I would assume that Joshuan must have slipped up when he failed to
mention this momentous event.  After all, he does give us a number of
clues to indicate that his almanac is less reliable about facts than the
previous three were.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:44:04 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

>The basic concept is the old "exchange of hostages" concept that was a
>common practice in feudal times.  However, it works well only between
>hereditary monarchies and thus is not a good idea for Darokin.  After all,
>Corwyn Mauntea is the chancellor of an oligarchy, not a monarch, and
>he may well be powerless to prevent the ruling council of Darokin from
>declaring war on Thyatis or doing something else that would violate the
>treaty.  On the other hand, he does have considerable influence over this
>council, he does seem to be able to stay in power for a long time, and
>he has been compensated by the receipt of a hostage from Thyatis, so
>this one is a close call.

Whether Corwyn Mauntea has the official authority, or not, isn't as
important as one other, teensy fact:  the Maunteas OWN much of Darokin's
businesses and property, and can make life extremely difficult for council
members whose decisions rashly endanger one of the family's heirs.  On
paper, Corwyn's control over the council might seem insufficient to justify
a hostage-trade; but under the table, the Maunteas have potentially got
"pull" within their own country on par with any Renaissance Italian
merchant-house, 1930s Mafia family, or cyberpunk-setting megacorp.

OTOH, if they needed to -- given Thyatis's persistent history of corruption
- -- the Maunteas could BRIBE their way into getting Corwyn's heir covertly
freed from her captivity, yet still hang on to their own Thyatian hostage.
It's a darn good deal for the Chancellor, both personally and politically
... which is exactly what one expects, from the head of Darokin's #1
trading house.  :-)


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:30:00 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

>> I may be missing something, but why should Etienne have re-appeared by 1014?
>
>Because _Mark of Amber_ (in which Etienne returns) is set in AC 1012.
>
>Even if we assume that it takes place near the end of the year, he should
>be well established as being back in power at some point in AC 1013 --
>I would assume that Joshuan must have slipped up when he failed to
>mention this momentous event.

Or maybe, after all he's been through -- what with sinking a continent by
accident, getting taken to task by an Old One, reliving his youth, and all
- -- Rad decided he'd better wait a while, before stepping back into
Etienne's shoes.  While his own family learns of his return in "Mark Of
Amber", the d'Ambervilles needn't necessarily pass the word on to anyone
else.  It might well have been politically expedient, for Etienne to stay
"dead" for a time:  it gives him a chance to get acquainted with all of
Glantri's recent changes (Synn, for one thing); and also to decide what
he's going to do -- if anything -- about the "dark and menacing" turn his
pet country has taken in his absence.  (Plus, being legally dead saves him
from those HORRENDUS income tax returns, as Raknaar would say! ;-D)

Now that he's presumably been discouraged from messing with the NoS, at
least for the time being -- getting chewed out by Old Ones might've finally
penetrated Rad's teflon ego! -- reclaiming his seat on the Council of
Princes probably isn't that much of a priority, for Etienne.  (Besides,
since Rad RUNS the BoR and directs its members' self-policing activities,
he doesn't actually need a noble title to gain access to the Radiance.)
Isodore seems to be doing a decent job, as Princess -- when she isn't
getting kidnapped by Henri, that is -- and it might appeal to the
d'Amberville sense of humor, to see bookish, well-meaning old Harald
Haaskinz in Glantri's most-honored position as head of the Great School.

Finally, when you consider that this is the SECOND time Etienne's vanished
for years (albeit without his house and family, this time), it's possible
that the Council wouldn't be willing to place much confidence in Glantri's
"disappearing Prince", even if Rad/Etienne DID reclaim his seat!  Even in a
chaotic magocracy, a ruling state official needs to be available for
his/her duties, in times of unrest -- a likely reason why the
time-traveling Moriamis didn't inherit Morlay-Malinbois's princeship
instead of Malachie, as was already cited on this board -- and Etienne's
proven he just can't be counted upon, for that.


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:33:46 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

At 16.33 12/12/98 EST, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:
>The basic concept is the old "exchange of hostages" concept that was a 
>common practice in feudal times.  However, it works well only between
>hereditary monarchies and thus is not a good idea for Darokin.

True. Another common practice in feudal times was intermarriage between
ruling families, it's a pity that we don't see much of it in Mystara.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:16:56 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months- Russian

Well, since we are talking about this topic, I'll list the Russian names. You can always use these for your Traladarans :) They are in the form:
Russian name (English name) - rough meaning

Weekdays

Ponedel'nik (Monday) - "at each week"
Vtornik (Tuesday) - "the second"
Sreda (Wednesday) - "the middle one"
Chetverg (Thursday) - "the fourth one"
Piatnitsa (Friday) - "the fifth one"
Subbota (Saturday) - comes from "sabbath"
Voskresenie (Sunday) - "rising from the dead" (refers to Christ's resurrection)

Months
Actually all months are adopted straight from ancient Roman calendar, so I'll just list the Russian names.

Janvar
Fevral'
Mart
Aprel
May
Iyun
Iyul'
Avgust
Sen'tiabr'
Oktiabr'
Noyabr'
Dekabr'

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:18:05 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Civ 2 Hollow World

>Or more to the point -- is there any available program that would enable
>people who do not have Civ 2 to look at the graphics from these files?


I don't think such a program exists - you'd have to take screen shots from Civ2 map editor and combine them into a single graphic file.

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:44:11 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

At 23.38 12/12/98 -0500, Sharon Dornhoff wrote:

>Just a biologist's pet peeve here -- I've got a lot of those, as the MMB
>crowd already knows! ;-D -- but I think it's a mistake to assume elves
>seldom have more than two children, even if Gaz5 & Gaz13 disagree.  If
>elves had such a low birthrate, they'd probably have gone extinct long ago:
>every elf couple needs to have at least two healthy kids, on average,
>merely to replace themselves in the population; and not every elf is
>necessarily going to choose to have kids, or live long enough to become a
>parent in the first place.

True. I remberer we've already discussed this in the past.
You're right.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:44:55 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months- HEBREW !

Hi Ohad!

>these names are very ancient as far AFAIK they predate judaism. thier sourse is bablonian or ashurian and they  are mostly names of ancient pagen gods.
>I see the relevence to Alphatia here.
>so if you want them here goes:
>1.Tishray - early autumn
>2.Cheshvan (or Mar cheshvan) - first rains (in israel..) 
>3.Kislev - chrismes time (Chanuka here.. happy hollydays everyone)
>4.Tevet- winter
>5. Shvat- end of winter and early spring. has a nature holliday on its 15th day marking spring
>6. Adar - spring
>7. Nisan- still spring , time for passover (YUMMY!)
>8. Iyar - summer
>9. Sivan - summer
>10. Tamuz- summer
>11. Av- guess...
>12. Elul- summer ends (hurrey!)

This is quite interesting!  Thanks for sharing this! :)

Geoff

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:55:18 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

Sharon wrote:

>Just a biologist's pet peeve here -- I've got a lot of those, as the MMB
>crowd already knows! ;-D -- but I think it's a mistake to assume elves
>seldom have more than two children, even if Gaz5 & Gaz13 disagree.  If
>elves had such a low birthrate, they'd probably have gone extinct long ago:
>every elf couple needs to have at least two healthy kids, on average,
>merely to replace themselves in the population; and not every elf is
>necessarily going to choose to have kids, or live long enough to become a
>parent in the first place.

This is a good point.  I always figured that the elven population grew
verrrry slowly, maybe adding another half a percentage point to the total
each year (on top of the replacement rate - I'm not an expert here, anyone
know what a typical human growth rate is?).  Thus, it could take decades for a
village population to grow grow from 1000 to 1050, but it's still
increasing.  IMC, most elven families have two kids, but the odd one might
have three, or maybe four, but there are very rare.

Geoff

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:21:28 -0500
From: "DJ Sahlas" <dsahla@po-box.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero

DM wrote:

>Consider also that at these
>levels (Companion-Master) each adventurer can either Fly permanently

>As a sidenote, I've always wondered why there are so many high-level
>adventures that place some stupid traps that work only if somebody treads
>over them: don't the writers realize that a 20+ level character can easily
>FLY during the whole exploration of a dungeon??? This happened with
>Labyrinth of Madness, which is nonetheless the GREATEST dungeon I've ever
>run (fortunately I was able to justify the inability of the PCs to fly in
>that dungeon..) and also with many M modules (again, I had to cheat in M3
>and have the PCs not fly inside Castle Carnifex to make it a great
dungeon).

    The whole concept of "flying" in a fantasy world was one that gave me
some trouble in earlier campaigns.  Many characters acquired the magical
ability to fly, and the resultant imagery was reminiscent of comic book
battles (although there's nothing wrong with those in their own right).

    Now, if you read the spell description carefully, it clearly states that
concentration is required.  So I ruled that meant no spell-casting while
flying.  Similarly, no special maneuvers while fighting with weapon mastery
rules, no controlling elementals, etc.  The ability to fly should be one in
which the PC can transport themselves through the air to get somewhere else,
nothing more.  You cannot check for traps, hope to benefit from special
skills like danger sense, etc.  Flying should not be second nature, like
walking.  In fact, in the strictest sense, one should not be expected to
even be able to fight with an adversary in the air while flying (the PC
should be focusing on combat, so the concentration required to fly would
begin to slip and they would begin to pitch earthward).

    This may seem strict, but if measures are not instituted to prevent
uber-characters early in the campaign, it's harder to DM a challenging
adventure later on.  There's usually a lot of groaning on behalf of PCs, but
I found that this sustained the sense of accomplishment upon successfully
completing an adventure in higher levels.

    I'm curious as to whether any of you approached this the same way.

    Jim Sahlas

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:03:27 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

     
> 
> Because _Mark of Amber_ (in which Etienne returns) is set in AC 1012. 
>  
Ahhh, ok. I didn't buy that one 'cause I've got the old (or "real") module,
so I missed the re-dating of that event. Thanks for the explanation.

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:12:54 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

     
> 
> OTOH, if they needed to -- given Thyatis's persistent history of
corruption
> -- the Maunteas could BRIBE their way into getting Corwyn's heir covertly
> freed from her captivity, yet still hang on to their own Thyatian
hostage.
>
If it was that easy, then don't you think Eriadna would've snatched
Tredorian back at some point?
	Hmmmn. . . .but now I've got an idea (don't give me ideas). A couple of
folks on a couple of different occasions have asked me to develop some
distinctive Thyatian magics. I've been thinking about this for awhile now:
taking a page from the Thyatian Agromagic thread from several months ago on
the MMB, and a concept from a cyberpunk setting (you said it, not me):
	Fine, the Thyatians say. Mauntea can steal back his brat. We just happen
to have a small tissue sample on hand, Preserved with the same spells that
are used to Preserve foods (keeping the sample fresh indefinately). Of
course the Daros don't know about that. But should they choose to betray
the treaty or otherwise get out of line (claiming, like Stefan, "potential
Thyatian treachery" as their excuse no doubt), the Ritual Sending will
commence at once.
	Now, tissue samples from all sorts of people might be aquired, much more
easily than aquiring the individual themself. Get a little bit of Stefan on
file, a little bit of Wulf von Klagendorf, etc. Shouldn't take much (watch
where you lay your comb, and whether it has hair fibers in it or not. . .
.and how loyal your servants are. . . .Oh, don't worry: I've got someone on
your staff in a "deep cover" assignment already.)

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:10:35 -0000
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm/jbyBOdW5lcw==?=" <np14jk@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>Just a biologist's pet peeve here -- I've got a lot of those, as the MMB
>crowd already knows! ;-D -- but I think it's a mistake to assume elves
>seldom have more than two children, even if Gaz5 & Gaz13 disagree.  If
>elves had such a low birthrate, they'd probably have gone extinct long ago:


I have always assumed that the elven birthrate was dropping slowly. In my
view, the Elven link to nature implies a mystical link as well, provided by
their "priesthood"; as their magical powers weaken, the birthrate drops, and
they near extinction. For instance, in my campaign a Tree of Life is (or
was) the key factor for the fertility of an Alfheim elven community. This
means the elven race depends on magic for it's survival in more ways than
one...

JJJ

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:30:05 -0000
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm/jbyBOdW5lcw==?=" <np14jk@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etymology of weekdays and months

These are the weekdays I use in common (trade Thyatian), based on the
Portuguese names:

Lunadain: Great Market
Gromdain to Losmdain: Second-  to Sixth-Market
Soladain: Immortal's day --> no market :-(

These are used by merchants and travellers so that everyone understands
which day of the week they are talking about, not by the locals (they use
"traditional" names). I guess it makes them feel more "real" for us.

JJJ

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:17:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

> > That didnt work! Help me..please?
> > I'm using Lynx today, so surfing around is a bit bothersome..
> 
> I hope someone else knows about Lynx...is it a server? Operating system?

Lynx is a non-graphical web browser that is hardly bothersome.  I find it
works much better than any graphical oriented ones.  I've never tried to
access the MMB through it though.


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:37:48 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

At 10.03 13/12/98 -0600, James Ruhland wrote:
>     
>> 
>> Because _Mark of Amber_ (in which Etienne returns) is set in AC 1012. 
>>  
>Ahhh, ok. I didn't buy that one 'cause I've got the old (or "real") module,
>so I missed the re-dating of that event. Thanks for the explanation.

No, wait.
X2-Castle Amber and AD&D Mark of Amber are not the same module re-dated and
adapted to a different gaming system. They're two different modules and
thus two different events.
 
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:49:49 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

     
> 
> No, wait.
> X2-Castle Amber and AD&D Mark of Amber are not the same module re-dated
and
> adapted to a different gaming system. They're two different modules and
> thus two different events.
>
Hmmmn. . .well then I've been under a *badly* mistaken impression. I'll
have to go hunt down Mark of Amber then (the encounters are different, etc,
I take it, right?)
	See, I thought it was just a reprint, update, and repackaging (especially
after buying and reading K:KoA and G:KoM, which didn't make me think that
MoA would be an improvement over CA).
	I'm babbling again, aren't I? Well, anyhow, thanks for the info. Now I
have to go scavenge. 8-)

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:49:48 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Minrothad calendar

As long as Mystara's calendars are under consideration ... am I the only
one who thinks it's a bit strange, that the ONLY Known World nation whose
calendar is out of step with the phases of the moon (the shadow elves'
doesn't count; they barely know what season it is, living underground),
just happens to be the #1 shipping nation in the region?  Don't Thadders
have a better reason than anybody else, to follow a LUNAR calendar -- which
is the same as the solar calendar, on Mystara -- and thus, keep their days
of the month in synch with Mystara's tides?


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:12:03 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>I always figured that the elven population grew
>verrrry slowly, maybe adding another half a percentage point to the total
>each year (on top of the replacement rate - I'm not an expert here, anyone
>know what a typical human growth rate is?).  Thus, it could take decades for a
>village population to grow grow from 1000 to 1050, but it's still
>increasing.

That's about what I'd always assumed, too ... not because your average elf
has a tiny number of children, but because it takes several decades for
each elf to mature and start raising more.  A long generation time would
make even a tiny dip in the population -- say, from humanoid raids or
disease -- a major setback to the community's long-term growth and
survival, just as a few deaths from poaching can deplete a herd of
slow-breeding elephants or whales, for years.

>IMC, most elven families have two kids, but the odd one might
>have three, or maybe four, but there are very rare.

Remember that, at least in Alfheim, elves don't marry for life.  Perhaps a
given elven couple will have one or two kids and remain together until
these children are grown, then split up when the parents' find each others'
personalities are growing thin.  Each adult could later have kids with some
other partner, without contradicting the statement that elven "couples"
have only one or two children.

This doesn't work for the shadow elves, who do marry for life.  However,
Gaz13 says they have a very high birth rate, by elven standards (they'd
better, what with giving up so many deformed kids to Rafiel!); and the
geographic constraints of their habitat limit how much their population
could expand, in any case.  Marrying for life might even be an unconscious
means of population control, for shadow elves, if couples who've gotten
sick of looking at one another after too many centuries also give up on
making babies.

I don't recall if shadow elf shamans are celibate, but that's another means
by which they might discreetly keep their numbers from exceeding whatever
their caverns can support.  Since females are more likely to be shamans
than males, that'd be an even stronger constraint on their populations'
growth:  it's numbers of reproducing females, which really determine the
rate at which a population can increase.


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:27:21 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

>	Now, tissue samples from all sorts of people might be aquired, much
>more
>easily than aquiring the individual themself. Get a little bit of Stefan on
>file, a little bit of Wulf von Klagendorf, etc. Shouldn't take much (watch
>where you lay your comb, and whether it has hair fibers in it or not. . .
>.and how loyal your servants are. . . .Oh, don't worry: I've got someone on
>your staff in a "deep cover" assignment already.)

Veeery interesting, James ... especially since it's been a factor, in real
life!  Not that any real-life kings or the like have actually had spells
cast at them; but many rulers of the ancient world -- Mesopotamia and
Africa spring to mind -- made sure their hair- and nail-clippings got
burned as soon as they were trimmed from them, to ensure that wicked
magicians and witches couldn't use them to lay a curse on themselves or
their nations.  Monarchs who believed in black magic routinely employed
servants whose whole job was destroying such remnants, much as they had
food-tasters to test their meals for poison.  Mystaran kings and other
heads of state have probably done the same for centuries, as I doubt
Alphatia would've missed the opportunity to use that kind of magic, if they
didn't.

Maybe that spell from "Glantri: Kingdom of Magic" that cleans your clothes
and freshens your appearance isn't such a frivolous one, after all!  It
could save your life, if you're a Glantrian noble who doesn't trust your
barber.... ;-)


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:42:30 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

>> X2-Castle Amber and AD&D Mark of Amber are not the same module re-dated
>and
>> adapted to a different gaming system. They're two different modules and
>> thus two different events.
>>
>Hmmmn. . .well then I've been under a *badly* mistaken impression. I'll
>have to go hunt down Mark of Amber then (the encounters are different, etc,
>I take it, right?)

"Mark Of Amber" is primarily a murder mystery, not a dungeon-crawl.  It's
nothing like X2 at all.  That perennial scoundrel, Henri d'Amberville,
strikes again, and the PCs must solve the crime and prevent the deaths of
other family members.  It all starts at Magdalene d'Amberville's wedding
reception, and ends in a journey through the disembodied Etienne's memories
of life in Averoigne.

Its most interesting elements aren't the mystery, however.  It's got loads
of background on the various d'Ambervilles -- who they are, what they're
like, how they (don't) get along with each other -- most of which is
role-playing information rather than statistics.  Other Averoignese
expatriots (except Malachie, who'd heard Sephora would be attending and so
"just couldn't make it" to the wedding ;-D) also receive treatments.
There's even a cameo appearance, by the female gold dragon from X2!  This
makes it a good buy if you want to portray the d'Ambervilles as
fully-fleshed NPCs, whether or not you use the AD&D rules.


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mystara-digest       Monday, December 14 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 749



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin
Re: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - Minrothad calendar
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - (Original) D&D Woes
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
[MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014
[MYSTARA] - NoS draining Entropy

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:59:34 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

     
> their nations.  Monarchs who believed in black magic routinely employed
> servants whose whole job was destroying such remnants, much as they had
> food-tasters to test their meals for poison.  
>
There are all kinds of ways to get samples, and your "good" rulers will not
be able to foil them all so easily. . . . . . .

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:15:05 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

>
>> their nations.  Monarchs who believed in black magic routinely employed
>> servants whose whole job was destroying such remnants, much as they had
>> food-tasters to test their meals for poison.
>>
>There are all kinds of ways to get samples, and your "good" rulers will not
>be able to foil them all so easily. . . . . . .

Naturally!  Anything that causes trouble for Mystara's rulers makes life
that much more interesting, for Mystara's adventurers.  :-)


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:00:12 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin

>> From: John Polacek <drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com>
>
>> Hello all. This is my first post to the list so hopefully y'all can help
>> me.

Welcome to the list!  I certainly hope we can be of help, too.  :-)

>> Now, a question. One of the characters in my campaign has expressed his
>> interest in playing a halfling priest. Now, as far as I know, there is
>> no such thing in the Mystara world, but since I don't have the Shires
>> GAZ I'm not completely positive.

Well, there aren't any "priests" in the Five Shires Gazetteer.  There are,
however, a class of hin called Masters, who are a little bit like AD&D
rangers with a more varied spell-list.  Masters are the guardians of the
halfling lands and people, and they have the ability to manipulate
Blackfire: the halfling clan relic, which (since Ed Greenwood wrote the
halfling Gaz!) is a lot like FR's "spellfire".

>>In any case, I wish to let the player
>> be one, so I could really use some suggestions/feedback from all you
>> Mystara experts out there on this. What immortals do the Hin follow?

The hin don't call their Immortals "Immortals", they call them "Hin
Heroes".  AFAIK, they don't worship them as individuals, instead revering
the great heroes of the Shires' past as a collective group.  There's a
Keltic/"Merrie Olde England" feel to their folklore -- typical Greenwood
style -- with great heroes, such as Nob Nar, being commemorated with
ballads and epic storytelling rather than by clerical rites.

Reading some Gaelic folklore -- not the original myths of the Keltic gods,
but later ones that kept Keltic heroes' tales alive into the Christian era
- -- should give you sense of how the hin feel about their Heroes.  And
remember ... it's NOT true, that the hin are short; it's that everybody
else is too darned tall! ;-)

>> Perhaps this halfling cleric could be from a village near Rockhome and
>> borrow a deity from the dwarves.

That's probably the most reasonable way to get a hin cleric into the
Mystara setting.  Kagyar, the patron (and only) deity of Rockhome, already
"bent the rules" of oD&D, in making dwarves eligable as clerics; he might
do the same for a halfling, provided that halfling is seriously committed
to promoting craftsmanship and artistic advances amongst the hin.

There are a few above-ground villages in Rockhome which, until recently,
had humans and halflings living in them.  (Mystara's dwarves hate to farm,
and were content to let others do the scut-work.)  However, since WotI and
its aftermath, Rockhome dwarves have become much less tolerant of
"foreigners" in their homeland, and have expelled many of the non-dwarves
or harassed them into leaving.  Perhaps this hin priest grew up in Rockhome
and was accepted into the priesthood, but now sees how his/her fellows are
being persecuted and has left the dwarven nation in protest.

>> My campaign uses AD&D rules (since none
>> of the players are previously familiar with Mystara - I like 'em to be
>> fresh and blissfully unaware of my favorite campaign world), so if
>> anyone wants to make skill/ability suggestions, keep that in mind.

I believe details for Kagyar's priests are already available on the Web.
Just do a word-search for his name -- preferably excluding "timeline", to
save on aggravation :-) -- and you should find what you're looking for.

>>Thanks!

You're welcome, John. :-)


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:33:30 EST
From: Demmero@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin

<< >> Now, a question. One of the characters in my campaign has expressed his
 >> interest in playing a halfling priest. Now, as far as I know, there is
 >> no such thing in the Mystara world, but since I don't have the Shires
 >> GAZ I'm not completely positive.
  >>

Since you're using AD&D, halfling clerics/priests should be no problem.
Another Immortal you might consider is Usamigaras, who (IIRC) was a halfling
who learned to use the art of magic.  Nice fit  :)
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:00:45 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 1998-12-13 07:02:44 Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

> True. Another common practice in feudal times was intermarriage between
>  ruling families, it's a pity that we don't see much of it in Mystara.

Okay -- any ideas for such marriages?  Many possibilities would seem
to be ruled out because of various cultural barriers -- many nations either
do not have ruling families or are very adverse to intermarrying with certain
of their neighbors.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:00:43 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 1998-12-13 01:44:01 Eastern Standard Time,
dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes:

> While his own family learns of his return in "Mark Of
>  Amber", the d'Ambervilles needn't necessarily pass the word on to anyone
>  else.  It might well have been politically expedient, for Etienne to stay
>  "dead" for a time:  it gives him a chance to get acquainted with all of
>  Glantri's recent changes (Synn, for one thing); and also to decide what
>  he's going to do -- if anything -- about the "dark and menacing" turn his
>  pet country has taken in his absence.

Too late.  _Mark of Amber_ mentions the other Princes paying their respects
to Prince Etienne, so they do know that he is back.  However, I would agree
that he would not be particularly eager to grab additional power -- there
would
be no reason for him to want the job of Grand Master of the School back, for
example -- and he may well decide to abidicate a few months or years after
his return.  But if we take _Mark of Amber_ seriously, then Prince Etienne
is indeed back, and everyone knows it.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:00:46 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 1998-12-13 11:27:31 Eastern Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

> > 
>  > Because _Mark of Amber_ (in which Etienne returns) is set in AC 1012. 
>  >  
>  Ahhh, ok. I didn't buy that one 'cause I've got the old (or "real") module,
>  so I missed the re-dating of that event. Thanks for the explanation.

This would be the second return of Etienne -- _Mark of Amber_ is a sequel
of sorts to _X2:  Castle Amber_, not a rewrite.  
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:34:32 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 1998-12-13 17:13:53 Eastern Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

> Hmmmn. . .well then I've been under a *badly* mistaken impression. I'll
>  have to go hunt down Mark of Amber then (the encounters are different, etc,
>  I take it, right?)
>  	See, I thought it was just a reprint, update, and repackaging (especially
>  after buying and reading K:KoA and G:KoM, which didn't make me think that
>  MoA would be an improvement over CA).
>  	I'm babbling again, aren't I? Well, anyhow, thanks for the info. Now I
>  have to go scavenge. 8-)

Yes, do hunt it down.  It is one of the few good AD&D products for Mystara
- -- the only one, some would say.  It gives a lot of detail on the background
of the d'Ambrevilles and actually makes effective use of the CD to provide
voices and music for the d'Ambreville family.  It is worth its price even 
without the adventure, which to me was mainly an added bonus to all the
other goodies that the boxed set contained.

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:34:35 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Minrothad calendar

In a message dated 1998-12-13 18:08:09 Eastern Standard Time,
dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes:

> As long as Mystara's calendars are under consideration ... am I the only
>  one who thinks it's a bit strange, that the ONLY Known World nation whose
>  calendar is out of step with the phases of the moon (the shadow elves'
>  doesn't count; they barely know what season it is, living underground),
>  just happens to be the #1 shipping nation in the region?  Don't Thadders
>  have a better reason than anybody else, to follow a LUNAR calendar -- which
>  is the same as the solar calendar, on Mystara -- and thus, keep their days
>  of the month in synch with Mystara's tides?

I would definitely agree.  On Mystara, the year is EXACTLY twelve months
long -- so nobody who can see the sky should be using anything other than
a lunar calendar.  The only disagreements should be over relatively minor
details such as when to start the year or the month.

The only explanation I can come up with is that the Minrothads are being
deliberately perverse -- maybe they have such a strong hatred of lycanthropes
that they don't want their calendars to indicate the full moon too clearly?
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:48 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

In a message dated 12/12/98 12:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
ohadshm@inter.net.il writes:

<< just to understand,
 we are talking about brain collectors right? >>

Yes, they are the same guys.

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:55 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - (Original) D&D Woes

In a message dated 12/12/98 6:35:46 PM Central Standard Time,
megst19+@pitt.edu writes:

<< Thanks for the inside info, Bruce, upsetting as it is.  Sad to see that
 D&D was dumped simply because of territorialism and favoritism of one
 product over another.  Simple market dynamics at least makes for a
 sensible reason, if one we can still complain about.  But this...*sigh*
 
 Nice to know our game sold well, though. >>

You're welcome.  Despite their primary interest in things AD&D, senior
creatives at TSR always respected Mystara for all that it offered and its
unique style. This was an intangible but significant reward at least for me.
It helped putting up with the ubiquitous management song & dance to keep
Mystara going. Believe me, working for a game publisher isn't nearly as
glamorous and wondrous an experience as it may seem from the outside. Let's be
realistic: like all companies, old TSR had its plusses and its minuses.  TSR
was blessed to have plenty of the former. . . and cursed with an equal number
of the latter.    :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:52 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 12/12/98 1:25:01 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< Good point Jenn. 
 A famous Italian novel says something like: "Change all so that nothing
 changes". 
 Bruce, didn't you wrote on the MMB that you don't like campaigns whith
 static worlds that don't change throughout the years. (Sorry, can't find
 the exact quoting) >>

That's right. And this was in response to someone who made bitter comments
about the idea of Glantri falling to the goblins and Ylaruam being invaded.
Don't quote out of context or selectively, Fabrizio.  Now, I wouldn't call
World in Flames a "static" timeline. During the war itself there are pretty
radical changes for several settings. Eventually, things mostly revert to
their original form. I've explained why in earlier posts. 

>> Very good work with Shadow Elves, though you could have used Prince Erian
(from the novel "Son of Dawn") instead of creating Prince Eolemnon. Moreso
if you consider that elves rarely have more than 2 children and King
Telemon already has 3: Princess Tanadaleyo (GAZ 13), Prince Erian and
Princess Calenderi (Son of Dawn)<<

Sure I could've... but then so what? If you prefer Erian, change the names.

>> I was a bit disappointed that you almost left out of the picture Sind,
Minrothad, Atruaghin, Ierendi and above all Hule.<<

Sure, I could've incorporated Sind, and the Master, and Hule for good measure,
and why not the Savage Baronies too, and then Robrenn... oops wait! If I do
this I really gotta include Eusdria too... and Renardie, and what the heck,
let's just throw in the entire Savage Coast while we're at it. And how about
Skothar? Sure, you can include lots of stuff. But then you'd spend to much
time writing the thing. I think it would have added a lot more complexity to
the topic. There was no real need for this.

As I pointed out earlier, my goal was to entertain the readers. I wanted to
accomplish this within a fairly reasonnable time frame too. I wrote and posted
the timeline pretty much live. The successive posts on the MMB came at the
rate of one every two or three days, or whenever I had the time to write them.
Trying to throw in too much would have quickly become unmanageable on my end.
I was not trying to redesign the world (I suspect that's what you are
thinking) -- I was just having fun with a story. Folks on the MMB tend to do
this once in a while!   :o)

At any rate, now I'm thinking of coming up with the "western front" of World
in Flames, basically the events in the Savage Coast (and yes, Sind and Hule)
from AC 1014 to AC 1019. I dare hope you won't find this possibility too
disturbing, Fabrizio.   :o)

>> Also, you dind't mention the Alfheim refugees, both in Wendar and
Karameikos [...].<<

You already raised this point in a previous post. Go back to my earlier
response(s).

>>******
Join the MMB! The best place for Mystara stuff all over the galaxy
    ******<<

You betcha!      :D

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:46 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- The Prelude

In a message dated 12/12/98 12:04:13 PM Central Standard Time, BoBoII@aol.com
writes:

<< << > > Oh yeah!  tsronline.wizards.com
  >
  > That didnt work! Help me..please?
  > I'm using Lynx today, so surfing around is a bit bothersome..
   >>
 
 I also tried this with AOL . . . no joy!  You sure this is the correct
 address? >>

AOL's probably one of the worst ways to access that site. It's best if you use
a newsgroup browser rather than trying to access the message boards directly
as a web site. I'm only familiar with the one provided with Netscape which
works fine enough.

Bruce Heard

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:57 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 12/13/98 10:27:31 AM Central Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

<< > 
 > Because _Mark of Amber_ (in which Etienne returns) is set in AC 1012. 
 >  
 Ahhh, ok. I didn't buy that one 'cause I've got the old (or "real") module,
 so I missed the re-dating of that event. Thanks for the explanation.  >>

Jim's response clearly illustrates one of the reasons why I didn't mention
anything about Ambreville's activities during the World in Flames timeline. I
suspect fewer people have a copy of Mark of Amber than those owning GAZ3
(and/or the AD&D G:KoM), and even fewer are those who actually played it out
in their campaign as of yet. Besides, not all PCs might have succeeded during
the adventure (IIRC, they may fail in bringing back Etienne). World in Flames
neither mentions Ambreville's presence nor does it preclude it.

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:59 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/13/98 10:38:25 AM Central Standard Time,
jruhlconob@sprynet.com writes:

<<   If it was that easy, then don't you think Eriadna would've snatched
 Tredorian back at some point? >>

Not only that, but of all people Corwynn would probably not want to retrieve
his daughter. Not that he has forsaken his own daughter, but she stands as
part of the deal he made with Thyatis. The Treaties of Selenica are actually
favorable to Darokin and I don't think Corwynn would want to jeopardize that,
even if he had the means to recover his daughter. If she somehow found her way
back home, he'd probably send her back ASAP with a letter of apology.
Actually, he may consider arranging a marriage into the Imperial family for
good measure.  :o)

BTW -- I just *loved* Sharon's comparison of Corwynn with a Mafia-like
Godfather. Works great in this case and it puts a new spin on internal affairs
in the republic!  (Here I am, humming that film tune again).  This leading to
that -- anyone cares to line up RW actors for some of the political figures in
Mystara?  :o)

I vote for Marlon Brando as Corwynn Mauntea (to illustrate the above)
Rutger Hauer for Wulf von Klagendorf
Gerard Depardieu for Etienne d'Ambreville

Bruce Heard

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:50 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 12/12/98 12:34:01 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< But what about the Alfheim refugees in Wendar and Karameikos. Do the elves
 in Wendar fight alongside Wendarians? Do those in Karameikos side with
 Valen or Adriana?  >>

Seeing the amount of questions/comments/criticism you've posted about the
World in Flames, I'm tempted to look back at your past responses to me on the
MMB and conclude you have somewhat of a biased agenda here. No harm done,
though -- time allowing, I'll try to respond to the comments that I think are
interesting or those to which no answers have already come forth (to my
knowledge). I'll pass on the rest.

To your above question -- whichever side the Alfheim refugees fight is up to
anyone who decides to play out World in Flames. They can remain neutral, fight
against Ugrah's hordes, or even ally/oppose any of the sides within
Karameikos's civil war. Jim Ruhland made some interesting suggestions on the
MMB re. the Vylalia elves and the opportunity for them to make a bid for their
own independence. There are plenty of options; take it from there.

>>Well, but Mark of Amber is supposed to take place in AC 1012 IIRC, so if
you go with canon (as you did with the WDL) he should be back either as a
mere mortal or as an Immortal.<<

Canon was never an issue with this timeline, as I pointed out in the World in
Flames intro. I incorporated what canon material I felt was practical. I have
no problem skipping the rest. Besides, I believe my original response to this
issue adequately answered the question (see below):

>Ditto. If he's an Immortal, then he has no business getting involved since
>these events are NOT connected to the Immortals. Besides, the other Immortals
>would be watching him awfully closely as a result of Wrath of the Immortals.
>If he's back as a mortal wizard, he'd just be a part of the Glantrian Council
>(therefore one of the main commanders of the Loyalist Army). Then again, he
>might not be back as of yet, depending on whether DM's already ran the later
>Castle Amber adventure. So, I left that issue vague.

>>Another thing that puzzled me about the Glantrian Princes is that none of
them dies during this long war. Glantri is ransacked and ravaged, but none
of the Princes dies either violently (killed in battle, murdered) or by
natural causes (diseases, hearth attacks...).
Maybe in the Net-Almanacs too many established NPC were killed, but in your
timeline only the Karameikan chancellor is removed IIRC!<<

We can go back and forth with this one until dizzy. As a matter of fact, none
of the main NPCs get killed or forever removed save Ugrah... but I made up
Ugrah entirely for this timeline, so he does not really count. I believe my
original answer to this question was also adequate, but you did not quote it
here. At this point, it really does not matter which way one decides to go
with timelines -- there will always be someone who would have picked the
opposite approach. That's fine, that's why there are public boards. If you
prefer blowing up the entire known world and replacing it with something
completely different, go right ahead Fabrizio. I preferred shaking up the
setting for a few game years, but not alter it so radically and permanently
that I'd have to redesign all the settings entirely. My goal was only to
entertain the readers. In many cases, I have succeeded!     :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:54 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/12/98 2:01:53 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< I barely understand all this exchange of "guarantors of the treaty" [...].
>>

You need to read up on RW history, Fabrizio. Besides, there is a precedent for
such trades between Thyatis and Alphatia. Several MML people have responded to
this issue very well, so I'll just add this. The trading of hostages mostly is
a sham, especially from Darokin and Thyatis's points of view. They both sought
a way to put an end to a potentially disastrous and/or ruinous war between
Thyatis and pretty much everyone else. The Selenica Treaties (as flimsy as
they are) and the exchange of "hostages" are a way for almost all parties to
walk away from a bad situation without losing face (strike Karameikos here).

>>BTW: I doubt the Shadow Elves would bother to send a representative among
treacherous humans, and certainly not a Prince.<<

Depends on how you decide to play them. It makes sense for the "surface"
Shadow Elves to get involved with surface politics, as displeasing as it may
seem to send one of theirs to a human realm. The "hostage" also stands to gain
much knowledge this way. The Shadow Elves down below, on the other hand, may
not readily agree with their surface kin, thereby creating a new potential for
internal conflicts among the Shadow Elves. Conflicts are useful to create
adventure ideas for PCs... 

Bruce Heard
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:28:32 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

The following sequence of events is predicated on two assumptions:

1) Prince Etienne returns in late AC 1013 (thereby making all four almanacs
published by TSR accurate and introducing only a minor inaccuracy to the
_Mark of Amber_ boxed set).

2) The Nucleus of the Spheres now drains Entropy, as per _Wrath of the
Immortals_.  The effects of draining Entropy are described in a separate
message.

AC 1013 is a deceptively quiet year in Glantri -- many Princes make 
startling discoveries but do not act on them until later.  However, in
AC 1014 all hell breaks loose.

Prince Etienne disappoints many Princes who hoped that he would
restore Glantri to greatness.  He declines offers to restore him as 
Grand Master of the Great School of Magic, and he leaves the 
everyday rule of New Averoigne to Isidore.  When he attempts to 
access the Radiance he discovers that it has become corrupted
and recoils from it in horror.  His attempts to dissuade other nobles
from further research in this area are met with derision.  When he
discovers that somebody has used the Radiance to attain Immortality
in the Sphere of Entropy, he abdicates in favor of Isidore and devotes
his life to hunting down this evil being.

Prince Jaggar, provided with numerous clues by Prince Malachie,
becomes suspicious of Princess Dolores, but not in time -- he 
dies of rather suspicous "natural causes" and is succeeded by
his son Sigmund, who allies with Princess Juliana against 
Princess Dolores.  They eventually secede from Glantri when
Dolores seizes supreme power.

Princess Dolores, meanwhile, takes advantage of a variety of threats
(invasions from Ethengar and Hule as well as peasant revolts in 
various places) to campaign for the naming of a monarch for Glantri,
with herself (naturally) as the monarch.  However, Prince Jherek
emerges as an equally strong contender for the throne until she
kills him in a magical duel.  Jherek's son Ralindi claims the throne
and is supported by his brother Rejladan -- but their mothers have
no such agreement and take action against each other's sons 
as well as Jherek's other wife, Lan-Syn.  By the time the dust settles,
all adult wizards of the Virayana family are dead, and Dolores (the
new "Protector of Glantri") rules both Krondahar and Bramyra as
regent for the children she names as "Princes".

Prince Brannart is one of the few to heed Etienne's call to avoid the 
corrupted Radiance, and he actually regains his mortality before he
is murdered by his grandson Angus.  Angus has not attained true
Immortality as Etienne suspected but has become a Dragon (a
Defiler/Psionicist, as per the Dark Sun rules).  For the time being 
he is allied with Dolores, but it is expected that they will have a 
falling out eventually.

Boldavia is another Principality that slips out from Glantrian 
control.  There are many unconfirmed rumors as to what has
happened there -- some report that Ethengarian clerics have
succeeded in destroying Prince Morphail, while others insist
that he remains in control.  The barons of Boldavia neither
confirm nor deny any rumors, and Morphail remains unseen.

Prince Harald heeds Prince Etienne's warning, but it is too 
late for him -- he dies and is succeeded by his son, who
joins with Prince Malachie and Princess Isidore in seceding
from Glantri after Dolores seizes power.

Well before Queen Dolores has solidified her power, the 
remaining Erewan Elves give up and flee the country, with 
most fleeing to Wendar.  Once the Erewan Elves depart, 
Kol's goblinoids (who remain loyal to Dolores) turn on the 
Belcadiz Elves and begin harassing them.  The population 
of Belcadiz declines as its people begin fleeing to Darokin, 
Norwold, and other places.

A few years later, Prince Kol is slain in a battle with the forces
of Darokin, who finally counterattack after he raids Darokin 
once too often.  His successor does not even pretend to pay
homage to Glantri.  Angus takes advantage of the confusion 
to conquer Krondahar from Dolores, and Bramyra is overrun 
by the Ethengarians during their war, which drags on for many
years without a conclusive result.

By the middle of the century Glantri is a disorganized collection
of city states with no central government, and Queen Dolores
has finally learned to tap into the Radiance and gained the
powers of a Radiance Dragon just as Angus did.  Boldavia and
the central regions have become totally inhospitable to non-Entropic
wizards, while most of the other outlying regions have slipped out
from central Glantrian control.  People flee from the central regions
as the destruction of plant life renders them unable to support the
large populations that they once did.  As the years pass, it 
becomes ever more difficult to reclaim Glantri from the evil
Radiance Dragons....







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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:28:28 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1014

In a message dated 1998-12-14 00:16:42 Eastern Standard Time,
Ambreville@aol.com writes:

> I suspect fewer people have a copy of Mark of Amber than those owning GAZ3
>  (and/or the AD&D G:KoM), and even fewer are those who actually played it
out
>  in their campaign as of yet. Besides, not all PCs might have succeeded 
> during the adventure (IIRC, they may fail in bringing back Etienne).

Actually, I think the return of Etienne in _Mark of Amber_ is pretty much a
foregone conclusion -- the only thing that is left uncertain is his Immortal
status, which is not apparent to mortals.  What would be apparent to mortals
would be his new character -- is he the "same old Etienne" (assuming utter
failure by the party), fully reformed (assuming complete success by the
party), or somewhere in between?

But you have got me thinking -- the PWAs started a lot of plots within
Glantri that would have to be resolved quickly when Etienne returns.
I will post these ideas in a separate message.
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 03:28:34 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - NoS draining Entropy

I would suggest that the alteration to the Nucleus of the Spheres was a short
term solution to the problem of magic drain with potentially disastrous
results
in the long term.  While the alteration did temporarily reduce the rad force
total drained, it did not prevent future drains from the Sphere of Energy --
the drain from the Sphere of Entropy turns out to be in addition to rather
than instead of the draing from Energy.  Gaz 3 and G:KoM adequately
describe the effects of the drain from the Sphere of Energy -- here follow
the effects of the drain from Entropy:

100 rad force:  Life span of all races increases by 10% of base venerable 
age.  However, characters of venerable age must save vs. death magic 
each year on the Day of Dread to avoid coming down with a cancerous 
ailment with the same symptoms as mummy rot.  Unintelligent undead
(skeletons and zombies) become dormant on the Day of Dread.

500 rad force:  In addition to the previous life span increase, adventurer
types now increase their life span by ten years per level attained beyond
level 1.  During the Week of No Magic, characters of old or venerable age
must save vs. deatch magic to avoid the cancerous ailment described
above.  All undead become dormant at this time.  

1000 rad force:  As magic becomes rare, psionics become more common.
Elves, dragons, and other magical creatures no longer die of old age but 
gain the ability to withdraw from the world to another plane upon attaining 
middle age.  Unintelligent undead are permanently destroyed by the Week
of No Magic -- they become inert at the beginning of the week and do not
recover at the end unless reanimated.

2000 rad force:  Undead and magic creatures (including Elves) can no 
longer survive on Mystara -- they withdraw elsewhere or are destroyed.
At this point all intelligent creatures and some unintelligent ones gain
psychic abilities and can advance to 30th level as psionicists.  Surviving
creatures are mutated -- see the Dark Sun boxed set for ideas.

5000 rad force:  The destruction of the Nucleus of the Spheres releases
the drained entropic power back into the world.  Life span reverts to 
normal, and all who die of unnatural causes return as undead.  Magic
is now impossible, but many creatures have natural magic-like talents
- -- see the Gamma World rules for inspiration on running in this setting.

Secondary effects of the drain at all rad force levels are more apparent.
Just as the magic drain concentrated magical energy in the area around
Glantri City, now the drain of entropy concentrates entropic power there
as well.  Thus, while all sorts of wizards flourished in Glantri before, now
evil necromancers gain ascendancy.  Princess Dolores will eventually
take advantage of this development.
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mystara-digest      Tuesday, December 15 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 750



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
Re: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Saimpt Clebard
[MYSTARA] - hostages
Re: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin
Re: [MYSTARA] - hostages
Re: [MYSTARA] - hostages
Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - hostages
Re: [MYSTARA] - Elf-cleric Xps (for ODND)
Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:01:00 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

On 12/14 Kavidy wrote:

>>Prince Brannart is one of the few to heed Etienne's call to avoid the 
corrupted Radiance, and he actually regains his mortality before he
is murdered by his grandson Angus.  Angus has not attained true
Immortality as Etienne suspected but has become a Dragon (a
Defiler/Psionicist, as per the Dark Sun rules).  For the time being 
he is allied with Dolores, but it is expected that they will have a 
falling out eventually.<<

What's this about Defilers in Mystara???

>>By the middle of the century Glantri is a disorganized collection
of city states with no central government, and Queen Dolores
has finally learned to tap into the Radiance and gained the
powers of a Radiance Dragon just as Angus did. <<

What is a Radiance Dragon and where can I find the stats?

I feel like I missed something here!!!

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:18:12 +0100 (MET)
From: Agathokles <piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

It took me almost a week reading all the World in Flames and subsequent 
posts, but now I'm ready to make my own comments.

1)The Dwarves
The whole plot was really good, save that I didn't understand the strategy
of the Dwarven King. As far as I know (ie what is said in Rockhome Gaz)
the dwarves were friendly towards the Emirates. Even then, most Rockhome
clans (Hurwarf, Wyrwarf, Syrklist and Skarrad)  aren't so interested in
warring with humans (Glantrians excluded, of course). After all, they
depend on humans for one third of their food, they have profitable
commerce with Ylaruam and Darokin, and even colonies in most countries.
I agree on Rockhome helping the Khan against Glantri or the goblinoid
horde, but not against Darokin or Ylaruam.

2)Treaty of Selenica
Well, Eusebius arrives in Selenica as the strongest party (WDL members
cannot agree over an action against Thyatis, and the Empire is holding
Ylaruam and ready to invade Karameikos), but he steps out with almost
empty hands, mainly on the hostages affair:
Thyatis sends a potential heir to the throne,
Ylaruam and Ierendi send secondary characters,
Karameikos sends a traitor (who is also a Thyatis ally!),
the other WDL members send reasonable hostages, though these country
aren't eager to break the Treaty.

3)Karameikos & Alfheim refugees
This his an ace Stefan doesn't play. He could ask the help of the
Alfheimer against invaders, as in exchange of having allowed them to stay
in Karameikos.

That's all

Giampaolo Agosta


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:25:02 +0100 (MET)
From: Agathokles <piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

Someone said he would have hard time taking the best of two different
timelines?
Well know we have three timelines!

A good work, Kaviyd! Are you going to play a Mystaran "Dark Sun" campaign?


Giampaolo Agosta
 

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:42:57 +0100 (MET)
From: Agathokles <piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Saimpt Clebard

On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Sharon Dornhoff wrote:

> >Saimpt Clebard
> >
> >In mortal life, Clébard de Clairvault was a wizard and one of the lupin
> >followers of Sire Claude d'Ambreville. After his presumed death (and the
> >disappearance of Château d'Ambreville) in 896, Clébard left Glantri, as he
> >already disagreed with the Glantrian succession laws that excluded Claude
> >from inheritance of his title. He reached Renardy with other Glantrian
> >lupins, and there he became Baron de Marmandie. Clébard married Princess
> >Ralon of Renardy and inherited the throne, starting the feudal age of his
> >country. It was under Clébard's rule that most of the current Renardois
> >law was codified, unifying ancient lupin traditions and the legal
> >principles that Clébard learned from Sire Claude.<
> 
> Something tells me an appropriate quest for a cleric of Smpt. Clebard would
> be to cure poor Sire Claude -- whom the lupin Immortal obviously considered
> a good friend and honorable leader -- of his vampirism.  It'd be a
> difficult task (Raise Dead just kills the already-undead), but not
> impossible:  if nothing else will do the job, a determined party of lupin
> adventurers might sneak into Denagoth and steal the Blackstick (which can
> resurrect undead, as well as slay them) from Landryn Teriak!  It'd be a
> neat way to use the X11 maps and setting in a game, without having to play
> out the same dry plotline of "beat up the evil Shadow Lord, then beat him
> up again when he comes back from the grave".  :-)
> 

Stealing the Blackstick from Teriak could even be the easy task, compared
to what the adventurers would have to face when the Princes became aware
of what their are bringing to their country. Even if Morphail and Brannart
aren't willing to risk their existence to take the Blackstick, they will
send hordes of hundead minions to recover it, or at least to  prevent
others from seizing it for themselves.

Giampaolo Agosta


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:06:32 CET
From: "Herve Musseau" <herve@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - hostages

>From Bruce, replying to Brizio:

<<
<< I barely understand all this exchange of "guarantors of the 
treaty".>>

You need to read up on RW history, Fabrizio. Besides, there is a 
precedent for
such trades between Thyatis and Alphatia. Several MML people have 
responded to
this issue very well, so I'll just add this. The trading of hostages 
mostly is
a sham, especially from Darokin and Thyatis's points of view. They both 
sought
a way to put an end to a potentially disastrous and/or ruinous war 
between
Thyatis and pretty much everyone else. The Selenica Treaties (as flimsy 
as
they are) and the exchange of "hostages" are a way for almost all 
parties to
walk away from a bad situation without losing face (strike Karameikos 
here).
>>

I wonder why the Thyatians would want an hostage exchange in the first 
place, given how little effectiveness it had against Alphatia in WotI. 
They should have concluded from that experience that keeping hostage is 
not as useful as they had thought and abandon the practice, IMHO.

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:42:40 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Seeking Info on the Hin

On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 Demmero@aol.com wrote:

> Another Immortal you might consider is Usamigaras, who (IIRC) was a halfling
> who learned to use the art of magic.  Nice fit  :)

But He's only remembered in Cycindea. Better whip out "The Lost City"


Ethan


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:59:08 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - hostages

> >From Bruce, replying to Brizio:
> 
> <<
> << I barely understand all this exchange of "guarantors of the
> treaty".>>
> 
> You need to read up on RW history, Fabrizio. Besides, there is a
> precedent for
> such trades between Thyatis and Alphatia. 

Herve Musseau wrote:
> I wonder why the Thyatians would want an hostage exchange in the first
> place, given how little effectiveness it had against Alphatia in WotI.
> They should have concluded from that experience that keeping hostage is
> not as useful as they had thought and abandon the practice, IMHO.

Then again, consider how many times an idea has failed in the real
world, only to be recycled again...

The fact that, in your view, it isn't logical for the Thyatians to try a
hostage exchange, doesn't make it an invalid event.
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:02:06 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - hostages

     
> 
> I wonder why the Thyatians would want an hostage exchange in the first 
> place, given how little effectiveness it had against Alphatia in WotI. 
> They should have concluded from that experience that keeping hostage is 
> not as useful as they had thought and abandon the practice, IMHO.
> 
Well, first that assumes that the "hostage exchange" deal was solely
Eusebius' idea. It may not have been. Secondly, from the Thyatian
perspective you're probably right in the sense that the idea that the
"hostages" will effectively guarantee the treaty if/when push comes to
shove is discredited.
	However, the whole "hostage" deal may represent more of a long-term
"investment" rather than fulfilling the traditional, ostensable goal
(insuring everyone complies forever). Thyatis' experience with Tredorian is
instructive on that score as well; the "hostage's" eyes may be opened to
some degree, and if/when they return home they may be more favorably
inclined towards you. Thus you build up a diplomatic "in" to the other
country, for example.

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:57:43 EST
From: RocksHope@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - hostages

Actually, I would think Valen to be a rather decent deterrent to further
Karameikan treachery (though it pains me to use the words Karameikan and
treachery together).  If Stefan "rebels" again, Thyatis has a potentially much
more loyal heir to place on the throne in his stead, and plenty of time to
convince Valen of the benefits of Thyatian culture, civilization, etc.
Especially considering Olivia's influence on him.

- -joshua
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:41:50 +0100
From: David Burtin <David.BURTIN@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elf-cleric Xps (for ODND)

There is an article about elven clerics, druids and paladins in DRAGON 178.
According to this, elven clerics use the elven experience table, but cast
clerical spells, fight an save as clerics or druids of the same level. They
have all the obligations/restrictions of common clerics/druids.

DM wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I've got this little problem here: in my last campaign one of the players
> has got an elf-cleric of Diulanna (well, the story and the personality
> allows her to be one, don't worry: she's a radical among the elves and has
> been cast off Canolbarth for her thoughts -we play in AC 980). Now,
> normally I would have used the common elf-treekeeper progression table with
> an elf cleric of a nature or elven Immortal (Ordana, Ilsundal, Mealiden,
> Eiryindul, Zirchev, Terra etc..) giving her the common clerical spells
> available to elves (see GAZ5), but in this case Diulanna has nothing to do
> with elves. So I ruled she got the normal cleric progression table for her
> spells (that's to say zero at 1st level, 1 at 2nd etc... up to 20th level
> Elf-Cleric).
>
> Now my problem is: what about Xps? Does she have to earn the common Xps for
> Clerics or the ones associated to Elves (much as Elf-Mages and
> Elf-Treekeepers do)? What's your opinion?
> Also, I know elf-clerics don't gain multiple attacks and fighters' options
> (these are reserved to Elf-lords): should I rule the same here, considering
> the nature of Diulanna?
>
> PS: I may use the demi-human progression table that reaches 36th level, but
> I haven't got RC, so... is this table a balanced one or merely expands the
> normal demi-humans' Xps going upward to reach 36th level instead of 20th?
>
> a puzzled DM
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:11:44 +0100
From: "Jamuga Khan" <JamugaKhan@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

> Q: Does this make typos "law?"


Well, I suppose you're right. Probably from time to time
one or another city is destroyed because of such an minor error.

Notice: To be a khan requires a special personality!




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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:13:09 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

At 23.59 13/12/98 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
>Seeing the amount of questions/comments/criticism you've posted about the
>World in Flames, I'm tempted to look back at your past responses to me on the
>MMB and conclude you have somewhat of a biased agenda here.

IIRC I just commented once on the MMB about the World in Flames.
Unfortunately I've no time to read both the MML and the MMB, so I just look
at the MMB's headings and pick some messages once in a while for accurate
reading :-(

> No harm done,
>though -- time allowing, I'll try to respond to the comments that I think are
>interesting or those to which no answers have already come forth (to my
>knowledge). I'll pass on the rest.

Ok, thanks. I sent my comments before reading your answers to previous
questions, so I often ended up asking questions that you had already
answered to before.

<snip>

>We can go back and forth with this one until dizzy. As a matter of fact, none
>of the main NPCs get killed or forever removed save Ugrah... but I made up
>Ugrah entirely for this timeline, so he does not really count. I believe my
>original answer to this question was also adequate, but you did not quote it
>here. At this point, it really does not matter which way one decides to go
>with timelines -- there will always be someone who would have picked the
>opposite approach. That's fine, that's why there are public boards. If you
>prefer blowing up the entire known world and replacing it with something
>completely different, go right ahead Fabrizio. I preferred shaking up the
>setting for a few game years, but not alter it so radically and permanently
>that I'd have to redesign all the settings entirely. My goal was only to
>entertain the readers. In many cases, I have succeeded!     :o)

Fine. I wouldn't like to blow up the entire known world like Alphatia in
WotI, but IMO some minor change after a 6-year span so full of wars could
have been nice and reasonable.

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:27:22 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

At 23.59 13/12/98 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
>>> Very good work with Shadow Elves, though you could have used Prince Erian
>(from the novel "Son of Dawn") instead of creating Prince Eolemnon. Moreso
>if you consider that elves rarely have more than 2 children and King
>Telemon already has 3: Princess Tanadaleyo (GAZ 13), Prince Erian and
>Princess Calenderi (Son of Dawn)<<
>
>Sure I could've... but then so what? If you prefer Erian, change the names.

It's not just the name, but rather a matter of number of children.
Maybe it's time to give a name to Telemon's wife :-) 

>>> I was a bit disappointed that you almost left out of the picture Sind,
>>Minrothad, Atruaghin, Ierendi and above all Hule.<<

>Sure, I could've incorporated Sind, and the Master, and Hule for good
measure,
>and why not the Savage Baronies too, and then Robrenn... oops wait!
<snip>

Savage Baronies are rarely involved in Known World events.
I suspect that you're trying to dodge my questions. I know you could have
included the whole Mystara (either outside and inside) and also Myoshima,
but my question (see above) was about some nations that could have some
influence on the KW.

>As I pointed out earlier, my goal was to entertain the readers. I wanted to
>accomplish this within a fairly reasonnable time frame too. I wrote and
posted
>the timeline pretty much live. The successive posts on the MMB came at the
>rate of one every two or three days, or whenever I had the time to write
them.
>Trying to throw in too much would have quickly become unmanageable on my end.
>I was not trying to redesign the world (I suspect that's what you are
>thinking) -- I was just having fun with a story. Folks on the MMB tend to do
>this once in a while!   :o)

Ok, ok, ok... and I was just trying to comment on your nice story 8-)

>At any rate, now I'm thinking of coming up with the "western front" of World
>in Flames, basically the events in the Savage Coast (and yes, Sind and Hule)
>from AC 1014 to AC 1019. I dare hope you won't find this possibility too
>disturbing, Fabrizio.   :o)

I'm ready for new questions/comments/criticism :-)
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:53:09 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

At 23.59 13/12/98 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
>You need to read up on RW history, Fabrizio. 

That was exactly the answer I was looking for!

>Besides, there is a precedent for
>such trades between Thyatis and Alphatia. 

In fact I didn't understand that one too, when I first read DotE.

<snip>

>>>BTW: I doubt the Shadow Elves would bother to send a representative among
>treacherous humans, and certainly not a Prince.<<
>
>Depends on how you decide to play them. It makes sense for the "surface"
>Shadow Elves to get involved with surface politics, as displeasing as it may
>seem to send one of theirs to a human realm. The "hostage" also stands to
gain
>much knowledge this way. 

Yes. OTOH the way you played them in "World in Flames" did not give me the
idea that they were much interested in anything except themselves (check
the conquest of Selenica in AC 1015, 3rd Quarter). Maybe I got the wrong
impression because I read it in a hurry.

2 more (contrasting) ideas on the matter. 
1) Since the Shadow Elf king is appointed by shamans (under the guidance of
Rafiel himself), the son of the King shouldn't be an elf of special
importance like the son of an hereditary monarchy. So sending to Thyatis
Prince Eolemnon shouldn't be very different from sending there Vernel, the
daughter of the shopkeeper at the corner :-)
2) IMO and IMC Shadow Elves put themselves above anything else, so that
harming a Shadow Elf, even the least "important" one, means (for them)
harming the whole race. So why sending the son of the King and not someone
else?
BTW: since this Prince Eolemnon is almost unknown among humans, how can
Thyatian know that he's really what he's told to be? :-)

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:40:43 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

At 18.12 13/12/98 -0500, Sharon Dornhoff wrote:

(snip)
>I don't recall if shadow elf shamans are celibate, but that's another means
>by which they might discreetly keep their numbers from exceeding whatever
>their caverns can support.  Since females are more likely to be shamans
>than males, that'd be an even stronger constraint on their populations'
>growth:  it's numbers of reproducing females, which really determine the
>rate at which a population can increase.

According to Gaz 13 shamans can marry, but they seldom do, because their
many responsibilities could get in the way of a normal family life. Besides
shamans are considered "clanless", so they may even marry someone from
their parent's clan.

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:44:16 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/13/98 11:19:13 PM, you wrote:

<<Okay -- any ideas for such marriages?  Many possibilities would seem
to be ruled out because of various cultural barriers -- many nations either
do not have ruling families or are very adverse to intermarrying with certain
of their neighbors.>>

I think I ran this idea up the flagpole a while back . . . .

But I definitely see marriages causing not only external alliances and
conflicts, but internal as well.  Trouble ensues when your liege lord asks you
to attack your spouse's homeland.  The whole of RW European history is full of
the importance marriage can play in world events, cultural differences not
withstanding.  Remember, marriages could come from #1:Love (where the cultural
differences won't stop the fools); #2 Politics (where there will be little
heed given to the complaints of the "happy couple") and #3 Personal/family
Social climbing (see #2).

For Example:: The Darokinians would probably try to ally their children to
nobility in other countries for trade/influence purposes.  This can then breed
trouble internally for RoD as different Trading Houses compete for 'foreign
resources."
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:03:07 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/14/98 1:16:41 AM, you wrote:

<<I vote for Marlon Brando as Corwynn Mauntea (to illustrate the above)
Rutger Hauer for Wulf von Klagendorf
Gerard Depardieu for Etienne d'Ambreville
>>

Puh-lease. These days, Brando ,troubled genius that he is, could best play the
Goblin Horde (if he can fit into the costume). 

Your idea intrigues me though, so let me put on my casting director hat and
I'll get back to you soon.
 We'll do lunch. 
 Let's make this happen, people!
I really believe in this movie, Brian . . . uh, I mean, Bruce.
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:23:41 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

In a message dated 1998-12-14 04:25:42 Eastern Standard Time,
piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it writes:

> A good work, Kaviyd! Are you going to play a Mystaran "Dark Sun" campaign?

I doubt that I will get around to it, but feel free to give it a try if you
are so
inclined.  But keep in mind that the feel would be very different -- a smaller
part of the world would be "Athas-ized", and the very existence of areas 
not dominated by the new "Dragons" would change the mood of the people
in central Glantri.
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:23:40 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

In a message dated 1998-12-14 04:20:22 Eastern Standard Time, EzJ25@aol.com
writes:

> What is a Radiance Dragon and where can I find the stats?
>  
>  I feel like I missed something here!!!

It is basically an Athasian Dragon who draws his powers from the 
(now Entropic) Nucleus of the Spheres.  His stats would presumably
match those given in the _Dragon Kings_ hardcover book.  The main
difference is that these Dragons would not be the rulers of the world,
just of the central part of Glantri.
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:13:10 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>Maybe it's time to give a name to Telemon's wife :-) 

Caerefel. (Gaz 13, DM book, p. 43, in Tanadaleyo's entry)

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:58:48 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 1998-12-14 20:05:57 Eastern Standard Time, BoBoII@aol.com
writes:

> But I definitely see marriages causing not only external alliances and
>  conflicts, but internal as well.  Trouble ensues when your liege lord asks 
> you to attack your spouse's homeland.

Another problem would arise with succession disputes later on, say when
the descendants of a dynastic intermarriage who are living in one nation
claim that they are the rightful heirs to the throne of another nation.  MANY
real world wars were started that way.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:58:47 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Assimilation

In a message dated 1998-12-14 16:32:26 Eastern Standard Time,
JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes:

> > Q: Does this make typos "law?"
>  
>  
>  Well, I suppose you're right. Probably from time to time
>  one or another city is destroyed because of such an minor error.

That reminds me of the story of how a communist (or was it tsarist?)
bureaucrat is supposed to have saved a friend from a horrible fate by
a deliberate typo in his superior's orders.  The orginal handwritten
note supposedly read:

Pardon impossible; to be sent to Siberia

But the bureaucrat "accidentally" misplaced the semicolon, so that his
version read:

Pardon; impossible to be sent to Siberia.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:54:58 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

Just to put some closure on the "elf babies" issue:  I checked Gaz5, and it
says that elven mothers wean their infants at roughly age three, and that
elf children are ready to be reared and educated by the whole of their
clan, by the time they're ten.

So unless elven children keep on wearing diapers, right through their
grammer school years, the debate over how long elf mothers are required to
practice baby-care seems to have been settled by the Alfheim Gazetteer.


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:19:09 +0000
From: Alan Fowler <AlanFowler@mcmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

I just bought some real cheap AD&D modules from Mordor RPG and they
asked if I would pass their name on to any interested people, even the
postage was cheap!
they are at.

WWW.mordor.nu

Alan
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mystara-digest      Tuesday, December 15 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 751



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All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
[MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: AMBYRMONT
[MYSTARA] - re: MMB newsgroup
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Haven
[MYSTARA] - Re:Comments

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:20:25 -0800
From: Andrew Theisen <jsmill@wans.net>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

At 03:28:32 EST 12/14/98 -0500, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:

>The following sequence of events is predicated on two assumptions:
>
>1) Prince Etienne returns in late AC 1013 (thereby >making all four
almanacs published by TSR accurate and >introducing only a minor inaccuracy
to the _Mark of >Amber_ boxed set).

Actually, there is no contradiction at all. If you recall, MoA takes place
in 1012 AC- the exact same time that the events of PWA 1012 (ie, the White
Wolf's disappearance, the Averoigne nobles disappearances) takes place. The
almanac taking place in 1013 AC is Joshuan's, not a PWA.

So he's been back since 1012 AC.

Otherwise everything looks pretty good that you've got here...

>Prince Brannart is one of the few to heed Etienne's >call to avoid the
corrupted Radiance, and he actually >regains his mortality before he is
murdered by his >grandson Angus.  

Out of curiosity, why would Brannart avoid the Radiance? Since he is
undead, I wouldn't think that the Entropy would affect him much at all- or
would maybe make him more powerful. I'd say that he probably seeks out the
source of the taint from within, rather than without, myself...

Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:19:20 PST
From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" <gallidox@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: AMBYRMONT

AMBYRMONT 8, AC 1015: The Hunters Arrive.
   Location: Land of the Gentle Folk.  HW

   Description: The clerics and adventurers have left Neatharum and 
entered the lands to the "west."  Under the guidance of the clerics, the 
party has made good progress.  The clerics proclaim that their quarry is 
within a few days ride.  (See Fe. 22, Fy. 14; Am. 12, Am. 20.)

   What This Means: The clerics have led the party unerringly to the 
Lands of the Gentle Folk.  This guidance comes from the clerics' 
respective Immortals, Alphatia and Koryis.

   Note to DMs: Any Neathar in the group should know about the Gentle 
Folk and speak of the all powerful elves that seem so unconcerned with 
outsiders and whose power keeps even the dinosaurs away.  Also, the 
others should realize that the clerics have guided them here so 
effortlessly.  Their familiarity with the area is minimal at best.  
However, their Immortals have offered them visions of where to go.


AMBYRMONT 9, AC 1015: Traldar Sack Tehucan.
   Location: Tehucan, Azca.  HW

   Description: A small fleet of Traldar make a daring raid far from 
their homeland, in the heart of the Azcan Empire.  Heroes disembark near 
Tehucan and fight their way into the city, where they scatter into small 
groups.  The garrison is not very effective against such tactics, and 
the Traldar return to their ships with good plunder.  They have not 
found what they came for, though.  (See Fy. 17, Fy. 21; Am. 12, Am. 20.)

   What This Means: The Traldar are not conducting a full-scale war 
against the Azcans, but are looking for their lost artifact stolen by 
the Schattenalfen last year and rumored to now be in Azca.  A war-band 
heard about the city of Tehucan and reasoned that the Azcan priesthood 
may be keeping the artifact there, an in typical Traldar fashion decided 
to go get it and earn their glory.  They were not successful in their 
quest, but the deed may have them become the heroes of bards' tales 
anyway.


AMBYRMONT 10, AC 1015: Miniature Tourists.
   Location: Andaire, Jafilia, Alphatia.  HW

   Description: With an escort of Imperial Guards, the trio of Kubitts 
are shown all around the Imperial City, with their guides taking them to 
see the sights and people of the city.  The sight of these tourists 
causes a stir in the Imperial City as spectators flock to witness these 
folk.  At one point the escorting guards have to intervene to keep 
overeager spectators at a distance.  Their conversations are filled with 
questions and comments upon what they see.  (See Ya. 15, Fe. 22.)

   What This Means: Since their arrival on the Floating Continent, 
Empress Eriadna has been introducing the Kubitts to Alphatian life.  She 
felt it was time to let them go forth and see the city.  For their 
protection, as well as the protection of any Alphatian bystanders, she 
dispatches a contingent of Imperial Guards as escorts.
   The tour of the city is a success for both peoples.  The Alphatians 
are intrigued by the Kubitts who become celebrities.  For their part, 
the Kubitts develop a definite sense of awe for the Alphatians yet 
realize that their ancestral fears are unfounded: while it is true that 
the Alphatians are powerful and the spellcasting citizens are bigoted 
towards the nonspellcasters, they are also a numerous people and not 
subject to stereotypes.


AMBYRMONT 12, AC 1015: A Pathetic Apathetic People.
   Location: Lands of the Gentle Folk.  HW

   Description: The cleric-led party hunting Zandor makes contact with a 
group of the elven inhabitants of these lands.  As the adventurers try 
to communicate with them, it is noticed that two elves are burying a 
dead elf at the base of a tree.  Nearby are several other fresh mounds 
denoting other recent burials.
   The adventurers ask about this but are offered philosophical answers 
on life and death.  As the clerics examine the dead elf and the nearby 
graves, the elves take an interest and begin speaking with them.  The 
clerics inquire about the dead elves and are told that a recently 
arrived stranger had slain them.  From their description, the assailant 
is very similar to Zandor.
   The clerics explain that they have been charged by the Immortals, 
Alphatia and Koryis, to track down this assailant and take him back to 
Alphatia to answer for these and earlier crimes.  The elves do not know 
where he is currently, but are greatly interested in the "people of 
Alphatia."  The clerics suggest that the elves assemble a group of their 
own people and venture to meet with the Alphatians.  The elves agree and 
the clerics give them directions on how to get there.
   The clerics bid the elves farewell and good luck.  Despite the elves 
not knowing where Zandor currently is, the clerics are confident and 
tell the rest of the party to mount up.  They then boldly guide the 
group on, telling the others that they have been told where Zandor is.  
(See Fy. 14, Am. 8; Am. 20, Ei. 15.)

   What This Means: Initially, the Gentle Folk treat the adventurers as 
they would any visitors.  After recognizing the clerics as being of 
Alphatia and Koryis, they become more coherent and friendly.  They 
honestly do not know where Zandor is but this is okay as the clerics are 
aware of his location.
   Knowing that they have piqued the interest of the Gentle Folk, the 
clerics suggest that the elves make contact with the Alphatians.  This 
move is inspired by the Immortals who want to have the Alphatians act as 
guardians of the Gentle Folk.

   Note to DMs: This meeting should provide some amusing and tragic 
role-playing.  The mindset of the Gentle Folk is well detailed within 
the Hollow World Box Set.


AMBYRMONT 12, AC 1015: Merry Pirates Follow.
   Location: Tehucan and other cities, Azca.  HW

   Description: Merry pirates raid coastal Azcan towns, including 
Tehucan and even Huitlaktima.  They seek gold and plunder, and want to 
get their share of treasure.  Their raids are more organized than the 
Traldar's, but the Azcans were not caught by surprise this time - except 
that they didn't expect Merry Pirates.  (See Fy. 21, Am. 9; Am. 20, Am. 
23.)

   What This Means: The Merry Pirates don't know the Traldar's motives 
for attacking the Azcans, but they didn't want to be left out of the 
game.  They don't get more plunder than usual, though, and thus are left 
somewhat puzzled.


AMBYRMONT 19, AC 1015: Ramose Declared an Impostor.
   Location: Tarthis, Nithia.  HW

   Description: In an public ceremony celebrating her victory over "the 
traitors to the Nithian Empire," Pharaoh Senkha issues a decree, to the 
effect that Ramose is not the true pharaoh; rather, he is a criminal, an 
impostor devoted to toppling the legitimate powers of Nithia, and to 
laying the empire open to conquest by foreigners.  Senkha alludes to the 
news of the mysterious invaders along the coast of Lake Menkor as proof 
of her assertion, that Ramose is in league with dark forces, and that he 
is not the true pharaoh.  In closing, she issues a writ for his arrest.  
(See Kl. 10, Fe. 20; Ka. 15, Ka. 18.)


AMBYRMONT 20, AC 1015: Serpent-mint!
   Location: Colima.  HW

   Description: Papalotl sets about the task of helping the legendary 
feathered serpents return to their ancestral lands in the Azcan Empire.  
In order to do this, he searches far and wide for the plant serpentmint.  
Finally finding it near Colima, he then uses his magic to acclimatize it 
to the terrain and weather of the Empire.  From now until the year's 
end, everywhere he goes he takes seedlings of serpentmint, planting it 
throughout the Empire.  Slowly but surely it takes hold, and at the same 
time, feathered serpents begin returning to the lands of Azca.  Aided by 
the plant, they manage to survive the competition of their enemies the 
winged vipers.
   The name of Quetzalcoatl is heard again in the Empire, albeit in 
hoarse whispers.  (See Am. 9, Am. 12; Am. 23, Sv. 7.)

   What This Means: The actual number of serpents in the Empire by the 
end of the year is marginal, but it doesn't matter - their presence 
causes the resurgence of old legends, and the Azcan people wonder at the 
return of the now mythical creatures.  In short, this is yet another 
preparation by Atruatzin and Papalotl for the change that is coming.


AMBYRMONT 20, Ac 1015: Justice is Temporarily Served.
   Location: Lands of the Gentle Folk.  HW

   Description: The party of clerics and adventurers seeking Zandor 
discover his hiding place.  After a brief skirmish, they have him 
subdued and bound.  Not wasting any time, the party uses magical means 
to summon an Alphatian skyship to ferry them and their prisoner to the 
Floating Continent.  As they wait for the skyship a cry comes from one 
of the party members.
   The party members are awoken by the nudges of Imperial Troops.  
Looking about them, they see the skyship floating majestically above 
them. What they do not see is their prisoner, Zandor.  Dazed and 
battered, the party members are carried aboard the skyship and tended 
to.
   The skyship captain tells them that when they had arrived overhead, 
the entire party was unconscious.  The troops search the surrounding 
area and discover numerous tracks; unfortunately, the tracks end and the 
trail is lost about a hundred paces from the site.  Despite their 
objections, the skyship captain insists on them all going to Alphatia to 
report the incident.  (See Am. 8, Am. 12; Am. 24, Ei. 15)

   What This Means: The party surprise Zandor and overwhelm him with 
little trouble as he does not expect any attack by the Elves and does 
not think his pursuers know his whereabouts.  The party bound and gag 
their quarry.  Then they summon a skyship to ferry them to Jafilia to 
deliver their prisoner.
   While they wait, the party is attacked by Zargosians, who have been 
told to seek him out as an ally by their own Immortal.  Using their 
magic, they incapacitate the party, free Zandor, and ferry him away from 
the area.  In the process, several of the Zargosians beat the prone 
adventurers, but the sight of the approaching skyship causes them to 
flee before any are beaten to death.
   The skyship arrives in the area and the crew spots the unconscious 
party.  Landing, they revive the adventurers and police the area.  The 
captain decides that the incident needs to be reported.  Zandor on the 
loose is bad enough, but him with spellcasting allies is worse.

   Note to DMs: The mission itself, is temporarily halted.  If the PCs 
involved want to continue, the captain should oppose it.  If they are 
persistent, have the clerics proclaim that the Immortals Alphatia and 
Koryis wish them to stop for now and later, when the identities of 
Zandor's allies are known, the quest shall begin again.  If that does 
not dissuade them, simply have their wounds become infected.  One the 
way to Alphatia, PCs in the party may recall parts of the melee; this 
should include memories of details that may offer clues as to who 
Zandor's benefactors are.


AMBYRMONT 23, AC 1015: New Military Little Success.
   Location: Chitlacan, Azca.  HW

   Description: To make up for their growing unpopularity, the priests 
set the military a number of new tasks, partly hoping to win back some 
of the followers they have now realized they are losing, but mostly 
hoping to capture more foreigners for the increasing sacrifices.  There 
has not been a successful war in a while now, and the captives are 
vanishing rapidly.  Already, Azcan convicts are increasingly showing up 
in sacrifices, and to allow this commoners are being arrested for 
smaller and smaller "offenses".
   The military (complete with new, Atzanteotl-worshipping, 
inexperienced generals) is thus ordered to attack the Neathar tribes in 
the north.  However progress is slow, and the Azcans do not do as well 
as they had done up until recently.  The general consensus among the 
troops is that the new generals are incompetent, but all troops caught 
expressing this thought are arrested for the sacrificial altars.  (See 
Am. 12, Am. 20; Sv. 7, Sv. 19.)


AMBYRMONT 24, AC 1015: Spell Exchange Program.
   Location: Tower of Night, Milenian Empire.  HW

   Description: A party of Zargosians arrive in their hideout with a 
gagged and bound guest.  Once they are secure and certain that the 
Alphatians did not follow them, they finally free the irritated Zandor.  
Zandor immediately releases a couple of Magic Missiles at his new 
captors, and two of them collapse to the floor.  The leader of the 
Zargosians, Caracanomnos, calls for an end to hostilities, but Zandor 
does not speak his language and fails to understand him.  However, 
seeing that nobody riposted, Zandor concludes that the barbarians simply 
surrendered to his obvious superiority.
   A Zargosian tries at Nithian, which Zandor vaguely understands 
because of its resemblance with Thothian.  Zandor announces he accepts 
the Zargosians' surrender, and that he will make them his slaves rather 
than outright killing them because they freed him from the Alphatians.  
The shocked Zargosians remain speechless, until Caracanomnos bursts into 
laugh and says this was just a misunderstanding.
   Reluctantly, Zandor accepts to listen to the Zargosians' explanation.  
He is told that the Zargosians are also wizards, who like him are 
shunned and chased by their own people in spite of the righteousness of 
their claims.  The followers of Zargos introduce to him their ideas 
about the world and how it could become so much better if the red sun 
was extinguished.  They then give him back the spellbook he made from 
his raid on Dogrel, and say they will be happy to share with him their 
vast library of spells if he does the same and helps them in their dark 
project.  Zandor accepts the proposal.  (See Am. 12, Am. 20; Ka. 19)

   What This Means: The cautious Zargosians did not release Zandor from 
his Alphatian-made knots until they were sure they had lost the 
dangerous Alphatians.  Though Zandor couldn't care less about the 
Zargosians' view on life and their project, he is eager to replenish his 
spellbook, even if those barbarians' list of spells pales in comparison 
to that of an Emperor of Alphatia.  He is also confident that he soon 
will be able to easily take control of the pathetic group of 
necromancers and use them to regain his throne.




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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:08:24 -0700 (MST)
From: John Hare <wabbit@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - re: MMB newsgroup

	For those trying to access the MMB via newsgroup reader they have
changed the format of where everything is again. After getting onto the
tsr server the newsgroup is now called
TSR.OOP.Mystara

John


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	-Solomon Short	_A Season for Slaughter_
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:54:46 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 12/14/98 3:41:44 AM Central Standard Time,
piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it writes:

<< 1)The whole plot was really good, save that I didn't understand the
strategy  of the Dwarven King.  [snipped for length] >>

Thanks. The dwarves of Rockhome are victims of their own hatred of the Shadow
Elves with whom they had been warring for several years. Your assessment of
Pre-WoF (World in Flames) Rockhome is very correct. However, one event can
lead to another. For example, according to the PWA, Rockhome joined the WDL
essentially because of the Shadow Elves. WoF Shadow Elves are establishing
better relations with Darokin, which later causes Rockhome to drop out of the
league. Meanwhile, Rockhome allies with Ethengar to support Moglai Khan's
invasion of Glantri. As part of their involvement, the dwarves are to replace
the Great Company (Alphatian military) in Selenica. Upon discovering the
Shadow Elves there, the dwarves' hatred grows even greater. The dwarves have
often been portrayed as being emotional in their perception of events -- they
are easily angered and do miss some points. The damage the war against the
Shadow Elves inflicted to their warriors (and their pride) proves too much in
WoF. Eventually, their plan is to torch Canolbarth once for all, but for this,
they need allies -- like the Ethengarians and the Alphatians. Unfortunately in
the short term, this means giving in to Moglai Khan's demands -- such as the
"unfortunate" invasion of Ylaruam. "Liking" a neighbor is nice during peace
time, but sometimes politics mess up friendships. In WoF, they did just that. 

> Eusebius arrives in Selenica as the strongest party (WDL members cannot
agree over an action against Thyatis, and the Empire is holding Ylaruam and
ready to invade Karameikos), but he steps out with almost empty hands [...]

I disagree with you here. Thyatis essentially wanted to force Karameikos back
into the imperial fold, which the Treaties of Selenica did achieve. Karameikos
lands up to the Rugalov River were annexed to the Duchy of Machetos, offering
a better defensive position for the empire. Thyatis also permanently recovered
Tameronikas, through legitimate treaties. They carved out a chunk of Ostland
with their northern buddies, finally putting an end to the endemic Ostland
piracy. They established more valuable ties with Darokin (one of the big
players in the Known World), while still maintaining a "legitimate" toehold in
Ylaruam.

Sooner of later, occupying all of Ylaruam would have sparked a rebellion there
(read "jihad"). Thyatis knows this and is just as happy to turn that hot
potato into a useful bargaining chip. Worse, Ylaruam could just as easily walk
out on the WDL and make separate deals with Ethengar and Rockhome this time,
just to throw out the imperial overseer. As a new "ally" of Ethengar rather
than a conquered nation, this could make a difference the next time around!
:o)

One thing to realize here is that a legitimate claim that is openly and
officially recognized by neighboring nations is far better than merely
grabbing things with the force of arms. Getting Ylaruam to *sign* a treaty
giving back Tameronikas to the empire makes it infinitely easier for Thyatis
to defend its "property" later on and just as tough for Ylaruam to find
backers in the event Ylaruam decides to retake Tameronikas somehow.
Politically, it's a lot better to act according to legitimate claims (however
hypocritical this may seem) than behave continually like an outlaw nation.
Thus the reason for the existence of WoF's Treaties of Selenica.

> Karameikos & Alfheim refugees // This his an ace Stefan doesn't play. He
could ask the help of the Alfheimer against invaders, as in exchange of having
allowed them to stay in Karameikos.

Maybe, maybe not. It could go an entirely different route, which I brought up
in an earlier post. Thyatis had no way of affecting the Alfheim refugees
directly, therefore they didn't try. They were busy with everything else going
on anyway. The Alfheim refugees might instead get together with the Vyalia
elves, to support their own bid for reunification and autonomy. Currently the
Vyalia elves straddle the border between Karameikos and Thyatis, which isn't a
great thing.

Bruce Heard

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:53:23 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 12/14/98 4:27:34 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< Savage Baronies are rarely involved in Known World events.>>

They could be.

<< I suspect that you're trying to dodge my questions.>>

No, I did respond why I chose not to pull in too many threads into the story.

<< I know you could have  included the whole Mystara (either outside and
inside) and also Myoshima,  but my question (see above) was about some nations
that could have some  influence on the KW. >>

Sure, there're plenty of other nations that could have had an impact. Then
again, I'm comfortable enough spinning stories and plotlines that I could have
totally neutralized any such impact. So in this case, I chose not to
overextend myself and ignored the fringes of the Known World.

<< Ok, ok, ok... and I was just trying to comment on your nice story 8-)>>

Why. . . thank you, Frabrizio!  :o)

Bruce Heard

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:53:24 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/14/98 7:32:47 PM Central Standard Time, BoBoII@aol.com
writes:

<< Puh-lease. These days, Brando ,troubled genius that he is, could best play
the
 Goblin Horde (if he can fit into the costume).  >>

Gee, I guess you don't like poor, old Marlon very much!  :o)

How about Uma Thurman as Princess Tanaladeyo?

Bruce Heard
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:53:21 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 12/14/98 4:23:09 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< Fine. I wouldn't like to blow up the entire known world like Alphatia in
 WotI, but IMO some minor change after a 6-year span so full of wars could
 have been nice and reasonable. >>

Sure (we're in agreement here). The bottom line here is that many different
events and outcomes could have been portrayed. I simply chose not too. The
events that I described are fine in and of themselves. The ones that you are
advocating are just as fine. None of this boils down to hard facts but
personal preferences.

Bruce Heard

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:53:20 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 12/14/98 4:23:09 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< IIRC I just commented once on the MMB about the World in Flames.
 Unfortunately I've no time to read both the MML and the MMB, so I just look
 at the MMB's headings and pick some messages once in a while for accurate
 reading :-( >>

That's not what I was referring to. I remember a certain string of gratuitous
posts directed at me personally, which I had chosen to ignore at the time. I
think you know what I'm talking about, Fabrizio. No biggie -- this discussion
seems to be going well enough now. In this regards, I'm willing to ignore your
previous performance on the MMB.   :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:53:12 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/14/98 4:22:31 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< 1) Since the Shadow Elf king is appointed by shamans (under the guidance of
 Rafiel himself), the son of the King shouldn't be an elf of special
 importance like the son of an hereditary monarchy. So sending to Thyatis
 Prince Eolemnon shouldn't be very different from sending there Vernel, the
 daughter of the shopkeeper at the corner :-) >>

Correct, but you are missing the point here. From the point of view of
Thyatis, Eolemnon *IS* relevant in this situation, and therefore makes a
suitable "hostage". From the Shadow Elves point of view, sending Eolemnon was
a cheap alternative, and may provide them in the long run with some useful
inside information about the 
empire.

>>BTW: since this Prince Eolemnon is almost unknown among humans, how can
Thyatian know that he's really what he's told to be? :-)<<

Detect lies, True sight, whatever. Even if they get an inkling that Eolemnon
is irrelevant from the point of view of the Shadow Elves, Thyatis still got
exactly what they requested so they can't complain.

Bruce Heard
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:04:42 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

> <<I vote for Marlon Brando as Corwynn Mauntea (to illustrate the above)
> Rutger Hauer for Wulf von Klagendorf
> Gerard Depardieu for Etienne d'Ambreville
> >>
OK, I love these casting things: I will start with some of my favorites:

I think that, if we fixed the accent thing, Sean Connery would be the best
Etienne d'Ambreville we could find in RW.
Ewan McGregor for Malachie du Marais
Winona Ryder for Carnelia de Fedorias y Belcadiz
Sharon Stone for Queen Olivia
Uma Thurman for Dolores Hillsbury (just dye her hair black)

That's all for the time being.
Andrés
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:13:50 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

     
> Winona Ryder for Carnelia de Fedorias y Belcadiz
> 
?!?
That's the only choice I didn't think worked at all.
Salma Hayek would be a better choice. Then, if you wish, Winona Ryder can
play Dolores Hillsbury (IMO, that'd work better). That would free up Uma to
play P. Tanaladeyo per Bruce's suggestion. Thus everyone's favorite or
semi-favorite choices are in.

Btw, I'd suggest Al Pacino for Eusebius, but he's getting a might old for
the role.
Gotta work Harvey Keitel into the movie somehow. Perhaps as the commander
of the Alph G-Co.
Samuel L. Jackson should play Mohammed al-Kalim or Moglai Khan.
No, John Wayne shouldn't have played Moglai Khan. I saw that movie already.
Bad. Very bad. 8-)~

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:31:15 +0000
From: Michael Jones <michael.jones@diamond.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font

Hi ppl

Got an address for  a good font editor :-
http://home.iclweb.com/icl1/d.w.emmett/

Try it out and play with it :-)

Flossy

Kristian Kramer wrote:

> Maybe it's cheaper to get a fonteditor and make a font that looks much like
> the Feinen Bold (not exactly the same, of course, we don't want to violate
> the copyright laws and that sort of thing) :-o
>
> Kristian "X" Kramer
> http://www.xanthus.demon.nl
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." (-:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stan [SMTP:shawn@leme.anu.edu.au]
> > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 9:18 PM
> > To:   mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> > Subject:      [MYSTARA] - Feinen Bold font
> >
> > A little while back a hunt was on for the Feinen Bold gazetter font,
> > but there seemed to be no resolution even though a site which had the
> > font was found.  As a resolution to this earlier problem I was able to
> > recieve a reply from the website with reference to the pricing of the
> > font - and after picking myself up off the floor, after seeing the
> > price, I thought I'd send the message on to this list.
> >
> > >I assume you want the font for use in Windows 3.1/95/98/NT. (If not,
> > please
> > >advise).
> > >The price for Feinen Bold alone is US$125.
> > >
> > >The price for the family (light, regular, bold, inline) is US$265.
> > >
> > >We can email the font to you after receipt of payment (visa/mastercard).
> >
> > stan
> > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:00:38 +0000
From: Michael Jones <michael.jones@diamond.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Haven

Umm,

Is this the valley in BX1?

It always seemed to me that just about everything, official anyhow, published
about Kramikos ignored this Valley

Flossy

Tomas Sanchez wrote:

> Tim Haney wrote:
>
> > The area called Haven is just above the Lake of Lost Dreams but I've
> > always gotten the impression there are two Haven's. One is on the
> > actual map and the other is where Halav resides (I think that's how
> > the put it). I think that may be causing the confusion as I don't
> > believe they meant to have two. Of course now, I can't remember
> > where I found either one.
>
> Excerpt from :          The Communities of Karameikos.
>                         Strange Sites. Page 40.
>
> Haven is a "lost valley" created as a kind of vacation spot by the
> immortals Halav, Petra and Zirchev. They have cut it off almost
> completely from the outer world; they let outsiders find the valley
> only when in the direst need and may not let them find it again
> later.
>
> Excerpt from :          Mystaros Almanac Entry.
>                         Location.
>
> When in the Prime Plane, the Lost Land of Haven is found in the
> eastern most corner of the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, north of
> the Vyalia Elves and east of the Wufwolde Hills. Otherwise, the
> Lost Land of Haven is somewhere in the land of Faerie.
>
> My rambles on Haven :
>
> You'll agree with me there seem to be only one though it can
> change it's location or at least be unreachable sometimes. I'd
> love to know where did you read otherwise.
>
> Thanks for quick answer.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:31:26 +0000
From: Michael Jones <michael.jones@diamond.co.uk>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re:Comments

Hi there people

I'm glad this list exists, without this list, well, I know a lot of role
players, but noone else who likes Mystra really. To be honest, it's a minority
setting in the hobby industry.

But a list likes this means that, yes, it can flurish.

To be canon or not to be can that is the question! Well, actually no.
I don't know any GM's who don't personilise their setting and/ or the Game
Mechanics.
I have a confession.
I don't go for D&D and I activily don't like AD&D, but I do like Mystra, and I
have been known to run it though Role Master Standard System :-)
To see that the Mystra setting has developed post TSR not publishing it is
wonderful to see :-))
Development of the setting seems to go in one of two ways:-
1)    Extension of the time line
2)    Develpoment of setting
We all know as world builders (GM's) *Big_Smile* that it's impossible to
develop every aspect of a world that the players may become interested in, so
to have such resources to draw upon is great.
One of the great things about Mystra is the forward movement of events and
places.
It is down to the individual GM to say 'yes' or 'no' to each of the individual
developments.
I like the fact that the Almanacs have contnuied post TSR, and I do like the
idea that the net Almanacs become 'canon'. When the almancs come out, we all
have the chance to comment on them. Could we call this a wider proof reading
please? May be in say 3 months after they come out we could consider it
offical?
The point here is that we all have a common basis to discuss Mystra and still
develop the timeline and setting.
This is not to undrmine any other work, maybe they could get submitted to the
Almanac?
But even if it doesn't make it there, it's still good to here. For instance,
The World in Flames sounds great, I love the idea of it, maybe I'll use it as
an alternate dimension (not actually dimension but you know what I mean) sort
of like the Dark Deep Space 9 universe.
Anyway, I think this forum is a healthy thing and I thing it's great, when I've
go more time I'll contribute more ;-)

See ya all
Flossy


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mystara-digest     Wednesday, December 16 1998     Volume 1997 : Number 752



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

[MYSTARA] - Music
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Music
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
[MYSTARA] - Information about Immortals
[MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re:  Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - Music
Re: [MYSTARA] - Information about Immortals
Re: [MYSTARA] - Information about Immortals
Re: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - Music
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Haven
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
[MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Barimoor
[MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus
[MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Etienne

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:58:33 EST
From: Remoh76@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Music

I know this subject has been discussed many time before but I hadn't payed
attention because I didn't think my players wanted "mood" music.  However they
have made a request for it and so I am asking you all for suggestions.  The
adventure I am running is B6 The Veiled Society if that helps.  I have the Red
Steel CD but I am looking for other suggestions as well.
															Thanks,
															Vinny
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:16:47 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

At 21.13 14/12/98 PST, Jennifer Favia wrote:

>>Maybe it's time to give a name to Telemon's wife :-) 
>
>Caerefel. (Gaz 13, DM book, p. 43, in Tanadaleyo's entry)
>
How could I miss it?

BTW: GAZ 13 says that Tanadaleyo is the eldest child and only daughter of
Telemon; instead the novel "Son of Dawn" has young Prince Erian and his
elder sister (and shaman) Calenderi as main characters...


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:44:47 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

At 08.53 15/12/98 EST, you wrote:

>How about Uma Thurman as Princess Tanaladeyo?

Cool!
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:05:47 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Music

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 Remoh76@aol.com wrote:

> I know this subject has been discussed many time before but I hadn't payed
> attention because I didn't think my players wanted "mood" music.  However they
> have made a request for it and so I am asking you all for suggestions.  The
> adventure I am running is B6 The Veiled Society if that helps.  I have the Red
> Steel CD but I am looking for other suggestions as well.

I usually use Movie sountracks. 

Some good ones:
Braveheart(!)
Broken Arrow
The Rock
The Trumanshow (Except for the first and last tracks)
Dracula (Except for the last track)
Sleepers (Unless you've seen the movie recently and think about what it
was all about)
Aliens

Also, music by Enya, Jean Michelle Jarre and others can be used.

In my group we use music almost all the time. Maybe too much IMO.

Håvard

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:29:40 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>How could I miss it?

It happens! I sometimes catch things on the thousandth time through, 
then obsess over whether that addition of knowledge would have changed 
anything IMC in retrospect. ;-)

>BTW: GAZ 13 says that Tanadaleyo is the eldest child and only daughter 
of
>Telemon; instead the novel "Son of Dawn" has young Prince Erian and his
>elder sister (and shaman) Calenderi as main characters...

What a mess! Well, just ignore the "only", IMHO...I like the idea of a 
shaman daughter too, since IMC right now I have him in a bitter power 
struggle with the shamans.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:42:04 +0100
From: "Hecate" <hecate@chez.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Information about Immortals

Hi All,

I want to knows if someone knows what sort of weapons an armor a priest of Vanya and Thor may wear?

It's very important for me because one of my player want to play a priest of war...

Thanks for all information you can give me...

Nicolas.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:54:42 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

Hi, just a brief question:

Is it correct that the only TSR novels set in Mystara are:
The Dragonlord Trilogy (Dragonlord of Mystara, Dragonking, Dragonmage); 
The Black Vessel; Dark Knight of Karameikos; and Son of Dawn?

Are there others? Has anyone written an online Mystara novel (aside from 
the ongoing serial of the Karameikan Knight--sorry, I don't recall who 
writes it, but it's wonderful)? 

On that note, does anyone have a particular non-Mystaran book which 
inspires them (aside from the Averoigne ones)? My vote is _The Golden 
Key_ by Kate Elliott, Jennifer Roberson, and Melanie Rawn. Makes for a 
great Darokin, with people painting their rivals dead in magical 
paintings!

Jenn



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:26:07 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

> 
> On that note, does anyone have a particular non-Mystaran book which 
> inspires them (aside from the Averoigne ones)? 

I found quite a bit of inspiration and ideas (mainly for atrezzo and pics)
in the Lone Wolf gamebooks by Joe Dever. They share with Mystara a good
historical and political development of cultures which have basis in RW
ones. Besides that, I find that most Shakespeare plays (perhaps barring
some of the historical ones) are great for mood, plots and characters. I
run a Gantri-based MacBeth which gave my players quite a few pains and
joys. Has any of you used Shakespeare for Mystara adventures?

Andrés



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:31:57 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

I would add:

Wilhelm DaFoe as Jaggar von Drachenfels
Harrison Ford as Haldemar von Haaken
Sygourney Weaver as Empress Eriadna



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:54:07 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/15/98 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:

<<Winona Ryder for Carnelia de Fedorias y Belcadiz>>

Greta Jones, from Zorro as Carnelia
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:50:49 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 12/15/98 10:25:05 AM, you wrote:

<<Gee, I guess you don't like poor, old Marlon very much!  :o)

How about Uma Thurman as Princess Tanaladeyo?
>>

Sadly, I love Marlon.  I just hate how he has let himself go.

Yes. Miss Thurman had commited to the Mystara project, slated for release in
Summer 2000.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:30:17 -0500
From: Jeff Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

Favorite inspiring novel?

How about Nine Princes in Amber for Glantri!  Excellent books with
Machievellian politicking and a royal city called Amber...

Jennifer Favia wrote:

> Hi, just a brief question:
>
> Is it correct that the only TSR novels set in Mystara are:
> The Dragonlord Trilogy (Dragonlord of Mystara, Dragonking, Dragonmage);
> The Black Vessel; Dark Knight of Karameikos; and Son of Dawn?
>
> Are there others? Has anyone written an online Mystara novel (aside from
> the ongoing serial of the Karameikan Knight--sorry, I don't recall who
> writes it, but it's wonderful)?
>
> On that note, does anyone have a particular non-Mystaran book which
> inspires them (aside from the Averoigne ones)? My vote is _The Golden
> Key_ by Kate Elliott, Jennifer Roberson, and Melanie Rawn. Makes for a
> great Darokin, with people painting their rivals dead in magical
> paintings!
>
> Jenn
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:44:20 EST
From: Magesmiley@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

In a message dated 12/15/98 3:13:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
valerya@hotmail.com writes:

<< Is it correct that the only TSR novels set in Mystara are:
 The Dragonlord Trilogy (Dragonlord of Mystara, Dragonking, Dragonmage); 
 The Black Vessel; Dark Knight of Karameikos; and Son of Dawn?
 
 Are there others? Has anyone written an online Mystara novel (aside from 
 the ongoing serial of the Karameikan Knight--sorry, I don't recall who 
 writes it, but it's wonderful)?  >>

There was another series (The Penhaligon Trilogy) they weren't listed as
Mystara books but as Dungeons & Dragons ones. The first was called The Tainted
Sword.

- -Mage
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:27:03 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Music

The double "Conan"  cd set sees the most use in my games, and lots of times
continuous looped .wav files from Tomb Raider, like the cavern music.

Jim Bobb aka Arminath Wynter
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:38:50 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Information about Immortals

In OD&D, Clerics of Vanya may use normal swords, daggers and lances in
addition to blunt weapons.  AD&D clerics of Vanya are restricted to blunt
weapons, while Specialty Priests are allowed to use dagger, light lance, and
either broad, long or short sword (IMC the player gets a 1 time choice) in
addition to blunt weapons.

OD&D and AD&D Clerics and Specialty Priests of the Thunderer are restricted to
blunt weapons, but are REQUIRED to take war hammer as one of their weapon
proficiencies at 1st level.  If your campaign allows Mastery/Specialization
for Clerics and Priests, the war hammer must be their 1st wepon
mastered/specialized.

Followers of both Immortals are allowed all types of armor, IMC.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:39:10 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Information about Immortals

>I want to knows if someone knows what sort of weapons an armor a priest 
of Vanya and Thor may wear?
>
>It's very important for me because one of my player want to play a 
priest of war...

Hi Nicholas,

You might want to check out "The War Priest" kit at my site. I created 
it for our War Priest characters, and it should be compatible with 
Vanya, if not Thor as well.
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/warpriest.html

Hope this helps,

Jenn


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:48:02 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

>Greta Jones, from Zorro as Carnelia

Great choice! My personal favorite, as well. Also,
Ian McKellan (sp?) as the Black Eagle Baron
Liam Neeson as Duncan MacGregor
Sir Anthony Hopkins as Harald Haaskinz
Kenneth Branaugh as Qenildor Erewan
Kate Winslet as Juliana Vlaardoen

...That's all I can think of right now... ;-)

Jenn


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:51:46 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

     
> 
> Greta Jones, from Zorro as Carnelia
>
Ahhh, I have to admit that's a better choice than the one I suggested, too.

Danny Devito should play Everast XV. Beard or no beard.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:08:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

> On that note, does anyone have a particular non-Mystaran book which 
> inspires them (aside from the Averoigne ones)? My vote is _The Golden 
> Key_ by Kate Elliott, Jennifer Roberson, and Melanie Rawn. Makes for a 
> great Darokin, with people painting their rivals dead in magical 
> paintings!

Never read it, sorry.  My main inspirations from fantasy writing are two
holdovers from my youth, Susan Cooper (esp. _Seaward_) and Lloyd Alexander
(esp. The Westmark Trilogy) - the latter helps in imagining a
very-low-fantasy setting.  Since then, only Tad Williams has inspired
well.

Writers have to simultaneously believe the following two things: 
1.The story I am now working on is the greatest work of genius ever written in
 English.  2.The story I am now working on is worthless drivel -Orson Scott
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:30:18 -0500
From: Glen Sprigg <borealis@cois.on.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Music

At 02:58 PM 12/15/98 EST, you wrote:
>I know this subject has been discussed many time before but I hadn't payed
>attention because I didn't think my players wanted "mood" music.  However
they
>have made a request for it and so I am asking you all for suggestions.  The
>adventure I am running is B6 The Veiled Society if that helps.  I have the
Red
>Steel CD but I am looking for other suggestions as well.
>															Thanks,
>															Vinny

Considering the plot of the story, music from the Godfather movies might be
appropriate; other movies about organized crime might work as well.

Glen


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:40:04 -0500
From: Glen Sprigg <borealis@cois.on.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

At 02:54 PM 12/15/98 PST, you wrote:
>Hi, just a brief question:
>
>Is it correct that the only TSR novels set in Mystara are:
>The Dragonlord Trilogy (Dragonlord of Mystara, Dragonking, Dragonmage); 
>The Black Vessel; Dark Knight of Karameikos; and Son of Dawn?
>
There were also the Penhaligon trilogy, written by J.D. Heinrich, which
didn't do very well.  They weren't bad, but didn't really fit in well with
the Mystara setting.

>Are there others? Has anyone written an online Mystara novel (aside from 
>the ongoing serial of the Karameikan Knight--sorry, I don't recall who 
>writes it, but it's wonderful)? 
>
Thank you; it's my story.  I do hope to get another chapter done soon, but
I've just started a new job, so my free time has suddenly become very
limited.  (If anyone gets a phone call from someone offering you a credit
card, it might be me; I'm a telemarketer now.)

>On that note, does anyone have a particular non-Mystaran book which 
>inspires them (aside from the Averoigne ones)? My vote is _The Golden 
>Key_ by Kate Elliott, Jennifer Roberson, and Melanie Rawn. Makes for a 
>great Darokin, with people painting their rivals dead in magical 
>paintings!
>
I would have to say that I get a lot of inspiration from Sir Thomas
Malory's Le Morte D'Arthur; it's a classic, although it does bog down at
times.  But there's something about long passages of knights bashing
monsters (and each other) that stirs my blood.  Must be the English
heritage in me.  I also love Homer's Odyssey; I don't think there's ever
been a better story.

Glen


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:05:26 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

>>BTW: GAZ 13 says that Tanadaleyo is the eldest child and only daughter
>of Telemon; instead the novel "Son of Dawn" has young Prince Erian and his
>>elder sister (and shaman) Calenderi as main characters...
>
>What a mess! Well, just ignore the "only", IMHO...I like the idea of a
>shaman daughter too, since IMC right now I have him in a bitter power
>struggle with the shamans.

Perhaps both Telemon and his current wife are widowed, and only Erian is
the child of both of them.  Tanadaleyo could be Telemon's daughter by a
deceased first wife, while Calenderi is his stepdaughter.

How old is Erian, in the novel?  If he's younger than 14, we could say that
Tanadaleyo's mother died some time between the Gazetteers' era (1000 AC)
and the post-WotI world of the Almanacs.  King Telemon immediately
remarried, probably on the shamans' say-so -- thus, putting a shamanic
voice (Calenderi's) among the shadow elves' Royals -- and his second wife
bore Erian shortly thereafter.

Shadow elf soap operas....   ;-)


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:20:47 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Haven

>Umm,
>
>Is this the valley in BX1?
>
>
>Tomas Sanchez wrote:
>
>> Tim Haney wrote:
>>
>> > The area called Haven is just above the Lake of Lost Dreams but I've
>> > always gotten the impression there are two Haven's. One is on the
>> > actual map and the other is where Halav resides (I think that's how
>> > the put it). I think that may be causing the confusion as I don't
>> > believe they meant to have two. Of course now, I can't remember
>> > where I found either one.
>>
>> Excerpt from :          The Communities of Karameikos.
>>                         Strange Sites. Page 40.
>>
>> Haven is a "lost valley" created as a kind of vacation spot by the
>> immortals Halav, Petra and Zirchev. They have cut it off almost
>> completely from the outer world; they let outsiders find the valley
>> only when in the direst need and may not let them find it again
>> later.
>>
>> Excerpt from :          Mystaros Almanac Entry.
>>                         Location.
>>
>> When in the Prime Plane, the Lost Land of Haven is found in the
>> eastern most corner of the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, north of
>> the Vyalia Elves and east of the Wufwolde Hills. Otherwise, the
>> Lost Land of Haven is somewhere in the land of Faerie.
>>
>> My rambles on Haven :
>>
>> You'll agree with me there seem to be only one though it can
>> change it's location or at least be unreachable sometimes. I'd
>> love to know where did you read otherwise.
>>
>> Thanks for quick answer.

Haven was the name of the setting (not at all well-developed) for the
module B3: "Palace of the Silver Princess".  The module wasn't very
"Mystara-related", or very good for that matter ... a bit like going for a
dungeon-crawl inside Barbie's Townhouse!  (A belated, woefully-clumsy
attempt by TSR to bring more girls into the hobby, perhaps...?)  Still, it
had a plot and some background for the adventure, which was a big change
from B1 or B2.

The fairy-tale kingdom of Haven was retroactively incorporated into
Mystara, as a "Lost Land" under the Traladaran Immortals' protection.


>It always seemed to me that just about everything, official anyhow, published
>about Kramikos ignored this Valley


Well, the writers assume that PCs will discover the Hutaakans -- I take it
it's their "Lost Valley" you're talking about -- in the process of playing
out module B10: "Night's Dark Terror".  At least until Mystara got
cancelled, they probably figured DMs could just go buy that
(excellent!!!!!) module, if they wanted all the juicy details on that
locale.  Nowadays ... rotsa ruck, finding that one. ;-)


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:28 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 1998-12-15 09:38:50 Eastern Standard Time,
anpro@accesocero.es writes:

> Winona Ryder for Carnelia de Fedorias y Belcadiz
>  Sharon Stone for Queen Olivia
>  Uma Thurman for Dolores Hillsbury (just dye her hair black)

Winona Ryder would seem to have the right look for Dolores or
a Shadow Elf.

For Princess Carnelia, we need a charismatic Latina actress --
the female equivalent of Ricardo Montalban.  Unfortunately, I am
having a very tough time thinking of anybody suitable -- maybe 
no suitable candidate has made it big among us Anglos?
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:27 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

In a message dated 1998-12-15 09:25:05 Eastern Standard Time,
Ambreville@aol.com writes:

> How about Uma Thurman as Princess Tanaladeyo?

Not pale enough -- but then, I suppose makeup should take care of that,
right?
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:22 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Barimoor

Barimoor, the Alphatian fire wizard with a secret underground base under
Ylaruam, is an Immortal candidate who was largely forgotten after his first
and (I think) only appearance in Gaz 2.  In the early to middle 11th century
Barimoor finally decides to emerge from underground and transform the
Emirate of Nithia -- but the Ylari react violently, and most of his followers
are killed.  Barimoor himself escapes to Aengmor (formerly Alfheim), where
he allies himself with the Shadow Elves.

Eventually he learns of the now corrupted Nucleus of the Spheres, and
he realizes that if he can just get close enough to it he may yet be able
to achieve Immortality.  By this time many Alfheim Elves have moved
back into Aengmor/Alfheim -- either they finally made peace with the
Shadow Elves, or the Alfheim Avengers forcefully reconquered the 
Canolbarth forest.  Either way, Barimoor has little trouble persuading
many Shadow Elves to accompany him to southern Glantri, where 
they push aside Kol's goblinoids and the few remaining Belcadiz Elves.

Once there, Barimoor manages to gain access to the corrupted Radiance,
and he becomes yet another "Radiance Dragon".  He has achieved a
form of immortality, but not what he had anticipated....
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:12 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus

Hosadus, the Master, has been working for centuries to become an 
Immortal in the Sphere of Entropy, and it seems that all he is lacking 
is one grand conquest to achieve it.  Sind was too weak a country to 
impress his sponsor, but Darokin would have qualified had he been 
successful.  Unfortunately, his attempt to invade Darokin was repulsed, 
and the natives of Sind are now too restless for him to feel secure enough 
for another attempt.

However, around AC 1125-1130 the Nucleus of the Spheres has accumulated
enough rad force drain that there is another Week of No Magic.  Once
again the area affected by the Red Curse grows -- the Arm of the Immortals,
the Serpent Peninsula, and Hule are now within the affected area.  Sind,
however, is outside of that area and so is soon able to regain its freedom.

Hosadus now turns his attention to his south and west.  For many years
the Red Curse discouraged him from attacking the Savage Coast -- but
now that he and his people are among those Affected, he has nowhere
else to direct his attentions.  It does not help matters when Hosadus
discovers how to gain the powers of an Inheritor despite the fact that
he is already of very high level.  Within ten years the Master conquers
most of the Savage Coast, and the rest agrees to pay tribute to him.

It is at this point that the Master "dies" suddenly -- actually he is elevated
to Immortality, but his sponsor has decided that a struggle for succession
among his generals would be amusing and removes him from the scene.
For over a century the Savage Coast is wracked by these wars of succession,
although every once in a while a new leader (actually Hosadus in a new 
Mortal Identity) briefly unites several Savage Coast nations.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:08 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Etienne

It is after the breakup of Glantri that Etienne's exact Immortal status 
becomes important, as it will dictate his subsequent actions:

1) Etienne is mortal and cannot regain Immortality:  Given that this option
also posits the least improvement to his character, he most likely withdraws
and keeps New Averoigne out of the affairs of central Glantri.

2) Etienne is mortal but can regain his Immortality.  In this case his
quest (sponsored by his former enemy Ixion) is obvious -- destroy the
"Radiance Dragons" who achieved a form of pseudo-Immortality by
use of the corrupted Radiance.  This option would leave Glantri ravaged
and divided, but further devastation from these "Dragons" would be
stopped.

3) Etienne is Immortal.  In this case Etienne would appear to carry out
a course similar to (1), but as the Immortal Rad he would encourage
those of his followers who still live in central Glantri to flee.  His anti-
clerical attitude would mellow, as his goal would be to prevent the
"Dragons" from spreading outside of central Glantri.  Meanwhile, the
refugees would spread his (slightly modified) philosophy outside of 
Glantri.  Eventually, after he has secured his base of followers outside
of Glantri, he would sponsor a champion who would carry out the quest
described in (2) above.
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mystara-digest     Wednesday, December 16 1998     Volume 1997 : Number 753



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All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
[MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
[MYSTARA] - Neh-thalgghu
[MYSTARA] - Verthandi, Wyrd & Skuld: some speculations about Fate and Immortals
Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero
[MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Music
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:59:03 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Return of Etienne and Fall of Glantri

In a message dated 1998-12-15 02:37:11 Eastern Standard Time, jsmill@wans.net
writes:

> Out of curiosity, why would Brannart avoid the Radiance? Since he is
>  undead, I wouldn't think that the Entropy would affect him much at all- or
>  would maybe make him more powerful. I'd say that he probably seeks out the
>  source of the taint from within, rather than without, myself...

Quite true -- any such change would require some events that were not
described.  But there would certainly be a struggle for power among the
three Radiance users of the McGregor clan, and only one would survive 
- -- and that one, whoever he is, would become extremely powerful.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:59:11 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

In a message dated 1998-12-15 16:47:36 Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

> BTW: GAZ 13 says that Tanadaleyo is the eldest child and only daughter of
>  Telemon; instead the novel "Son of Dawn" has young Prince Erian and his
>  elder sister (and shaman) Calenderi as main characters...

Okay, it has been a while since I read "Son of Dawn" so....

Is there any way that Calenderi could have been born after AC 1000?
If so, then there is no contradiction between the two sources.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:09:55 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

> >Greta Jones, from Zorro as Carnelia

Minor correction -- the name of the actress is Catherine Zeta Jones.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:37:13 CET
From: "Herve Musseau" <herve@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>

>Is it correct that the only TSR novels set in Mystara are:
>The Dragonlord Trilogy (Dragonlord of Mystara, Dragonking, 
>Dragonmage); 
>The Black Vessel; Dark Knight of Karameikos; and Son of Dawn?
>Are there others? Has anyone written an online Mystara novel (aside 
>from the ongoing serial of the Karameikan Knight--sorry, I don't 
>recall who writes it, but it's wonderful)? 

There are also the Penhaligon trilogy, and Rogues to Riches.
When you need a complete list of Mystara products I suggest you refer to 
the list at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/prodlist.html

As for fan novels, besides Alexius's Quest that you mention, I am aware 
of Night's Dark Terror by Jason Zavoda (novel based on B10), Zoltan the 
Treekeeper by myself (novel in Norwold), A Tour of Alphatia by Jeff Daly 
(diaries/adventures on the MMB), and Diaries of a Shadow Elf by Fabrizio 
Paoli and one of his players (diaries/adventures). These can be found on 
their writers' pages and/or on Shawn's page.

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:49:04 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

Hmmm...
Tim Curry as Innocenti di Malapietra (similar to his role as Richelieu in Three Musketeers).
Leonardo di Caprio as Valen Karameikos?
Sean Connery as Etienne d'Ambreville (he's got that amused look in his eyes). Or maybe Peter Ustinov (glue on the beard, he's already got the accent).
Christopher Lee might have played Morphail in his earlier days :)  Now he might fit as Brannart, with appropriate makeup.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:24 +0100
From: DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Neh-thalgghu

Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) wrote:
> Say...I wonder what a neh-thalguu ship would look like...

<<Interesting question. I get these gigeresque visions. Something slimy
gray-greenish bio-tech thingy...>>

I think it'd be very similar to an esthetic living-ship from Spelljammer
MCI. (rather useless quote if you don't own SJRMC1, I know, sorry.. ;p).

<<Where are these guys from anyway? I thought they were from the Nightmare
Dimension..?>>

IIRC they're inhabitants of the Astral Plane. I seem to recall the one
mentioned in VotPA came to Mystara to collect samples of brain for his
thesis at the Astral University of Jawwag-Uf. But they can have ties to ND
as well.

<<I'm not saying they couldnt have colonized a planet in Mystaras Galaxy...
Something for our MSpace-project Marco?>>

Uhmm.. could be, why not? Even though I admit I tend to view the
neh-thalgghu much more like explorators and travelers rather then
colonizers of Prime Plane worlds...

Anyway, better finish the programmed stuff for Mspace before adding other
layers of complexity, right Haavard.. ;)

Marco "DM" 

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:35:00 +0100
From: DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Verthandi, Wyrd & Skuld: some speculations about Fate and Immortals

On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:33:46 EST, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote:

<<In a message dated 1998-12-11 13:53:37 Eastern Standard Time,
mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it writes:

> PPS: also, speaking of ethymology, it is very interesting to see how the
>  words "Dooms" and "Wyrd" were of capital importance in the ancient germanic
>  world. I am one of those few who think that the Immortal Verthandi refers
>  to RW Norns and whose worship should be far more spread in the Northern
>  Reaches and Norwold..

On the other hand, Wyrd would be far more powerful than a mere god and so
should perhaps correspond to an Old One.  Worshiping Wyrd would seem to be
a very bad idea -- it literally would be tempting Fate.  >>

Uhmm.. I see what you mean. But the way I envisioned the faith in "Wyrd"
the norse had is rather different: it's a fatalistic way of thinking and of
seeing the events in the world. 
Wyrd doesn't necessarily means "Doom" (which was instead the northern word
for the medieval "ordeal"), though it possesses a rather negative aspect:
man cannot control his own destiny. You see, to me this is like comparing
Fate to Divine Providence: those who believe in the first one think that
one's future is already written and inescapable. So it doesn't matter if
you pray and follow your values: if Wyrd has decided you gotta die next
morning, you can't do anything about it. The only way you can live on is by
acknowledging that your life is uncertain and you must act according to
your own destiny, to fulfill Wyrd. 
On the other hand, divine Providence implies that God gives us the reins of
our destiny and everything that happens is a result of our actions and of
God's intervention. We can change the future simply because we have been
given the power to do it by God (the Immortals): fate does play a small
part in our life, but we can overcome it with our actions and the
Immortals' aid.

So, worshipping Wyrd in the northlands mainly refers to a way of thinking
and viewing one's life, a sort of resignated way of life. If you're born a
thrall, then you must live as a thrall, there's no point in changin it:
it's your Wyrd and you can live happily only by accepting it. If you're
born a warrior, you know your fate lies in dying on the battlefield; if you
dies in your sleepbed, it only means you were a damn great warrior, and
that was because of your Wyrd. Predestination, that's the word.

So, "faith in Wyrd" is a common mentality among the northlanders: the
northern Immortals seem to encourage this, and in the RW norse mythology
EVEN the gods couldn't change their Wyrd (and that was true even for the
Greek and Roman gods). Wyrd is then a much worshipped "phenomenon", which
is often embodied by an Immortal figure: Verthandi. Nodoby among the
Immortals knows him and few are those who remember him (Odin and Thanatos
among them), but he's the first example of a long disappeared Immortal
who's still worshipped in the Prime. And since some of the worshippers cast
spells as priests, many Immortals wonder how this can happen: has he left
behind an artifact which gives his followers clerical spells, or is there a
deeper truth?..

Last note: the Norns (the norse correspondants of the Greek Parches) were
the three deities who controlled faith. Their names were: Verthandi, Wyrd
and Skuld (in Latin: Clotho, Lachesi and Athropo, daughters of Avernus and
Night -it was extremely important to ancient Latins/Greeks the parental
relationships among deities). The first one waves the lifeline, the second
one assigns it and the third one cuts it. This means : Clotho=Verthandi,
Lachesi= Wyrd and Athropo=Skuld, even though they do not quite exist
separately but rather as a common force. They watch over life and death all
over the universe, and take care that everyone's treated in the same way..
In this sense, they're similar to the three Crones of Krystyyk, don't you
think..?
Three Immortals are they.. or aren't they One? ;)

Also, in D&D Skuld is said to be the creator of Ortnit's fatal spear, and
placed in the Entropy sphere in old Immortal set. However, I think all the
three Immortals should be placed under the same sphere: Time, as Verthandi
is. However, is it really appropriate to place them among Immortals, or to
have them be separate entities? Or are they not the three different aspects
of the same concept? 

PS: since we're talking about destinty and Immortals, I wanna add two more
things. First of all, I think Thyatians and Milenians do worship Destiny in
the form of the Parches (or Moires for the Greeks/Milenians), but
unfortunately this is one of the major glitches in the thyatian culture
done in DotE. 
Second thing: Tyche is also an Immortal and Patroness of Destiny, but in
this case she's more the patroness of Luck (remember the blind goddess?).
She's the daughter of Oceanus and Thetis (not the mother of Achilles but
the sister of Saturn in this case) and oversees the Good Luck. Another add
to the Milenian and Thyatian pantheon, and one completely alien to the
northlanders, you can bet! ;)

Sorry for the long rant ;p

DM

"Hope is the stuff dreams are made of. 
Never give up hope. Never give up your dreams."
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:00 +0100
From: DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero

On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:21:28 -0500, "DJ Sahlas" <dsahla@po-box.mcgill.ca>
wrote:

<<  The whole concept of "flying" in a fantasy world was one that gave me
some trouble in earlier campaigns.  Many characters acquired the magical
ability to fly, and the resultant imagery was reminiscent of comic book
battles (although there's nothing wrong with those in their own right).>>

Well, while I've nothing against the image of flying medieval knights, it
does bother me the very concept of being able to fly away from a possible
confrontation given to 5th level mages. For these reason, after
experiencing this problem with my first groups, I managed to avoid giving
the Fly spell to one of my current groups up to now (9th level). This is
because I think Fly can spoil many adventures where the PCs are supposed to
be fighting for their lives without a means of escaping. It's extremely
powerful and should be handled with care: from Companion and up it's okay,
but at Expert level I wouldn't use it.

<<  Now, if you read the spell description carefully, it clearly states
that concentration is required.  So I ruled that meant no spell-casting
while flying.  Similarly, no special maneuvers while fighting with weapon
mastery rules, no controlling elementals, etc.  The ability to fly should
be one in which the PC can transport themselves through the air to get
somewhere else, nothing more.  You cannot check for traps, hope to benefit
from special skills like danger sense, etc.  Flying should not be second
nature, like walking.  In fact, in the strictest sense, one should not be
expected to even be able to fight with an adversary in the air while flying
(the PC should be focusing on combat, so the concentration required to fly
would begin to slip and they would begin to pitch earthward).>>

Indeed, I do follow your same interpretation. Since you've got to
concentrate while flying you cannot cast other spells nor use psionic
powers which require concentration. HOWEVER, in DotE "Fly" is listed to
have a Maneuvrability Factor of 5, that means 5 movements a round. This
means that a flying person could be able to perform incredible feats with
appropriate Dex checks, and not simply to fly in a straight line. For this
reason I allow my flying characters to attack and even outmaneuver a flying
beast (it depends on MF) if their Dex checks succeed, because the spell
allows it. You must concentrate to direct your movements, but this doesn't
mean you can coordinate your movements to attack another creature using
your mastery. I simply rule that if you haven't got the "Flying"
proficiency, then your Int check is at -4 when you want to do some
acrobatic actions (includes attacking) or more than 2 moves per round while
flying.

Also, you cannot cast spells, but you can activate a magical item without
problem just by uttering a word...

<<  This may seem strict, but if measures are not instituted to prevent
uber-characters early in the campaign, it's harder to DM a challenging
adventure later on.  There's usually a lot of groaning on behalf of PCs,
but I found that this sustained the sense of accomplishment upon
successfully completing an adventure in higher levels.
    I'm curious as to whether any of you approached this the same way.>>

As you can see, I agree about limiting the spell at low levels, but I feel
at higher levels the PCs have all the rights to fly and do other
outstanding feats: after all, at those levels they're supposed to be
heroes.. or superheroes ;)

It's part of the Dm's task to give them challenging encounters, problems
and villains to show them they are powerful but not unbeatable.. ;)

DM

"I'm a Superhero! Watch me! I'm a Superhe.." *SDENG!*
- -Last words of Ferdinand the Flying Man, Discoverer of the Invisible Flying
Castle.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:33 +0100
From: DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:59:59 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:

<<BTW -- I just *loved* Sharon's comparison of Corwynn with a Mafia-like
Godfather. Works great in this case and it puts a new spin on internal
affairs in the republic! >>

AARrgghhh!!! Don't do this to Darokin, not Darokin!! 
"Mauntea is a clean man, pal. Nothing to do with that Tarantella family of
Thyatis: they're the mob bosses, I tell you. Mauntea's clean: understood? 
That Linton guy, on the other hand.." ;)

<< (Here I am, humming that film tune again).  This leading to that --
anyone cares to line up RW actors for some of the political figures in
Mystara?  :o)>>

Me! me! I know it's a silly thing, but I like it anyway ;)

<<I vote for Marlon Brando as Corwynn Mauntea (to illustrate the above)
Rutger Hauer for Wulf von Klagendorf, Gerard Depardieu for Etienne
d'Ambreville>>

Okay, here's my list (feel free to add other still living actors):

  Thyatis
Thincol Torion: Sylvester Stallone
Eusebius Torion: Johanthan Frakes
Demetrion Karagenteropulos: Vittorio Gassman
Stefania Torion: Annie McDowell
Anaxibius Torion: Patrick Swayze
Heinrich Oesterhaus: Kevin Spacey

  Karameikos
Stefan Karameikos: Kenneth Branagh
Olivia Prothemian: Emma Thompson
Bargle the Infamous: Alec Guinness (remember Excalibur?)
Ludwig von Hendriks: Robert de Niro
Claransa the Seer: Drew Barrymore
Teldon: Roddy McDowell


  Glantri
Etienne d'Ambreville: Anthony Hopkins
Carnelia de Belcadiz: Jennifer Lopez
Jaggar von Drachenfels: Rutger Hauer
Carlotina Erewan: Charlize Theron
Morphail Gorevitch-Woszlany: John Malkovich
Harald of Haaskinz: Richard Attenborough
Dolores Hillsbury/Synn: Isabelle Adjani or Cher
Kol XIV: Macaulay Culkin (!) ;)
Jherek Virayana: Keanu Reeves
Innocenti di Malapietra: Danny deVito
Malachie du Marais: Nicholas Cage
Brannart McGregor: Lance Henriksen
Vanserie Vlaardoen: Gerard Depardieu
Juliana Vlaardoen: Nicole Kidman
Urmahid Krinagar: John Travolta
Volospin Aendyr: Tom Cruise

  Alphatia
Eriadna: Sigourney Weaver
Ericall: Val Kilmer
Tylion VI/Terari: Patrick Stewart
Haldemar of Haaken: James Woods
Zandor: Jack Nicholson
Zynnia: Michelle Pfeiffer
Broderick: Mel Gibson
Torenal: Liam Neeson
Norlan: Roy Scheider

  Heldann
Wulf von Klagendorf: Sean Connery
Geoffrey of Grunturm: Daniel Day-Lewis
Olaf Yarrvikson: Ernest Borgnine

  Ierendi
Reston of Akesoli: Dolph Lundgren 
Gherynid: Geena Davis
Thoran Magnus: Tom Selleck
Mr Coarke: Ricardo Montalban

  Shadow Elves & Elves (Difficult)
Telemon: Leonard Nimoy (!) ;)
Tanadaleyo: Demi Moore
Garafaele Galeifel: Richard Harris
Porphyriel: Glenn Close
Kanafasti: Donald Sutherland
Doriath: Brad Pitt

  Others
Corwyn Mauntea: Al Pacino
The Shadowlord: Marc Alaimo
Gylharen: Harvey Keitel
Bensarian: Anthony Zerbe
Moglai Khan: Don "the Dragon" Wilson
The Master of Hule: Ben Kingsley
Chandra ul-Nervi: Alexander Siddig 
Mohammed al-Kalim: Omar Sharif
Oran Meditor: Kevin Costner
Ragnar the Stout: Arnold Schwarzenegger

  Halflings (I'd say two of them should be Robin Williams and Roberto
Benigni) ;)


Mach Spass! ;)

DM

"I'll be back right soon. I'm just going to buy a couple of magic wands at
the cornershop.."
    Bargle before leaving Fort Doom in AC 1010

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:28:27 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

In a message dated 98-12-16 10:48:15 EST, you write:

<< Bargle the Infamous: Alec Guinness (remember Excalibur?) >>

Uh, that wasn't Guinness. Try the Internet Movie Database . . .

How bout Alan Rickman as The Black Baron?

Arnold as Thincol. . . you can cast Maria Shriver as the Empress

And Jackie Chan as The Great Khan . . .
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:09 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

Leonardo di Caprio: ANYBODY WHO DROWNS IN THE SINKING OF ALPHATIA, PLEASE.

Sir John Gielguld: Terari


Andrés
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:55:24 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>How bout Alan Rickman as The Black Baron?

I still like Ian McKellan (Richard III) here...But I think Alan Rickman 
would make a great Hosadus...

Kevin Costner as Ericall
Sigourney Weaver as Eriadna 
Sam Neill as Tylion/Terari
Robet Downey, Jr. as Zandor
Gwyneth Paltrow as Asteriela Torion

Jenn


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:24 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>Leonardo di Caprio: ANYBODY WHO DROWNS IN THE SINKING OF ALPHATIA, 
PLEASE.

:-)


>Sir John Gielguld: Terari

Who's he? What other films has he been in?

Jenn


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:49 +0000
From: Michael Jones <michael.jones@diamond.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Music

Have you considered 'Pier Gint' (probabily bad spelling there!)

Something more modern, well, I surgest 'Cocteau Twins' or maybe 'The Cranes'

Just a thought

Flossy

Glen Sprigg wrote:

> At 02:58 PM 12/15/98 EST, you wrote:
> >I know this subject has been discussed many time before but I hadn't payed
> >attention because I didn't think my players wanted "mood" music.  However
> they
> >have made a request for it and so I am asking you all for suggestions.  The
> >adventure I am running is B6 The Veiled Society if that helps.  I have the
> Red
> >Steel CD but I am looking for other suggestions as well.
> >                                                                                                                       Thanks,
> >                                                                                                                       Vinny
>
> Considering the plot of the story, music from the Godfather movies might be
> appropriate; other movies about organized crime might work as well.
>
> Glen
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:16:40 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

In a message dated 98-12-16 13:10:51 EST, you write:

<< Robet Downey, Jr. as Zandor >>

Truely inspired by the Immortals. Best one I've seen yet!
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:20:05 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

In a message dated 98-12-16 13:22:46 EST, you write:

<< Who's he? What other films has he been in?
 
 Jenn
  >>
 
oh . . . Jenn. (sigh) Jenn.

Alas, the ailing Sir John is one of England's great Shakespearean actors, a
comtemporary of Olivier, etc. He's best knows in the States for playing the
butler in Arther, with Dudley Moore. Most recently, he cameod as the Pope in
"Elizabeth."
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:40:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

James was correct as usual when he said:

> I still think that may have been a mistake on their part (yah, but wadda I
> know).
> 	Why do I say that? Well, from personal experience, it is a lot easier to
> get someone interested in RPGs if I hand them a slim volume, part of a
> boxed set that sells for all of $20, and say "here, this is all you need to
> play the game" than it is to hand them a stack of 20 bound books (total
> cost circa $800) and say "this is AD&D".

Well, considering at least one in 40 will prefer the latter, overdone
version, it will make more money, sadly.  Count me down as a fan of
one-book RPGs..loved the Rules Cyclopedia!  I'm sure the money factor was
still a part - they thought 20 bound books would earn them more than the
boxed sets individually would.

- -Mischa


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:40:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

James was correct as usual when he said:

> I still think that may have been a mistake on their part (yah, but wadda I
> know).
> 	Why do I say that? Well, from personal experience, it is a lot easier to
> get someone interested in RPGs if I hand them a slim volume, part of a
> boxed set that sells for all of $20, and say "here, this is all you need to
> play the game" than it is to hand them a stack of 20 bound books (total
> cost circa $800) and say "this is AD&D".

Well, considering at least one in 40 will prefer the latter, overdone
version, it will make more money, sadly.  Count me down as a fan of
one-book RPGs..loved the Rules Cyclopedia!  I'm sure the money factor was
still a part - they thought 20 bound books would earn them more than the
boxed sets individually would.

- -Mischa


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1.The story I am now working on is the greatest work of genius ever written in
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:43:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA]

> Hi!  I'm still on the list.  I just haven't been following as closely to
> the other two lists I'm on.

It's a sin we're all guilty of.  My interest wanders from one group to
another, one list to another - when I have free time to use the computer
to begin with,

> TSR came out with D&D, a role playing game intended for adults (kids
> could play if they wanted to try).

Aimed at kids more than a bit too, though hardly intended solely for
either group.  I think they aimed it at teens most maybe?

>  It started to rise in popularity. 
> Many people played it, and the company even went as far as to create
> lands where adventures would take place (HW, Mystara, Thunder Rift[?]-can
> someone tell about this one?).  Eventually, as time went on, people began
> thinking about aspects of the game that seemed vague and needed more
> explanation.  TSR looked at these thoughts and decided to work them out. 
> The different aspects were very important to roleplaying the game, but
> they weren't necessarily NEEDED to play the game.  So, what they did,
> they created AD&D, a version of D&D

AD&D preceded HW, Mystara and any official TSR setting except possibly
Blackmoor in its early form.

> questions.  So, they ALMOST abandoned D&D, sticking with the more
> detailed game.  They didn't totally drop D&D, however, because there were
> still people who played the game without caring about the more in-detail
> aspects.  They were happier playing in the wondrousness of the settings
> and of playing with just the basics; it wasn't too mind-boggling.  So,
> some D&D things continued to be made, Mystara for example, but AD&D
> received the most attention because of its increasing popularity and
> player "membership".

Exactly -they devoted attention primarily to one better-selling game and
sort of ditched us D&D players.



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:44:59 EST
From: BoBoII@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero

Yes, but cyclopeia says you can Hover "without concentrating", so I presume
that would allow spell casting, as long as you came to a stop for a round.
While not awefully limiting, it does prevent swoop attacks, straffing runs, or
"zapping" a persuing beasty without coming to a stop.

Feel free to do it your way, however the limitations work best for your group.
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mystara-digest      Thursday, December 17 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 754



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019
Re: [MYSTARA] - D&D MUSH
[MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu
Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
[MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:50:10 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

     
> 
> << Robet Downey, Jr. as Zandor >>
> 
> Truely inspired by the Immortals. Best one I've seen yet!
>
I was thinking Tim "Bob Roberts" Robbins, but Robert Downey, Jr. was a
great pick.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:27:26 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus

>is one grand conquest to achieve it.  Sind was too weak a country to 
>impress his sponsor, but Darokin would have qualified had he been 
>successful.

Hmmmmmm..... That's an idea.... *evil chuckle* :)

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:22:36 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

>Danny Devito should play Everast XV. Beard or no beard.


Don't you think he'd be too funny for the role?

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:31:12 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero

>Well, while I've nothing against the image of flying medieval knights, it
>does bother me the very concept of being able to fly away from a possible
>confrontation given to 5th level mages. For these reason, after
>experiencing this problem with my first groups, I managed to avoid giving
>the Fly spell to one of my current groups up to now (9th level). This is
>because I think Fly can spoil many adventures where the PCs are supposed to
>be fighting for their lives without a means of escaping. It's extremely
>powerful and should be handled with care: from Companion and up it's okay,
>but at Expert level I wouldn't use it.
>
Well, if the mage simply flies away, he's not going to want to meet his companions again (those that survive, anyway). And at 5th level he can only make himself fly (with one spell). Even at 9th level, he can only use the spell three times (IIRC).

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:23:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

My cast list:

Bargle   Robert De Niro would be great for this, now that he's a bit older
Thincol  Christopher Guest (I just see Thincol as very much like Count
Rugen from Princess Bride...pragmatic, capable of cruelty, great
swordsman)
Eriadna  Demi Moore (dark-haired slut who loves artsy stuff [dons
anti-flame armor])
Zandor   Dennis Hopper (great at playing nutty chars...strikes me as a guy
who'd play a fine eccentric mage)
Adronius Hmm, a ruler without a strong "macho" presence...this is a toughy
Demetrion Thin,serious,elderly,well-meaning....Jim from Murphy Brown?
This isn't an action role after all
Stefania Annie Potts - changing hair colors, capable of being a strong,
spunky female character...just perfect
Tafiri   Halle Berry would be great here - I think she's light enough
skinned for the role


And from Blackmoor days:
The Fetch    Older, unassuming, fairly dull, smart..hate to give a job to
a former Nixonite but Ben Stein would be great for this part.  I don't see
the Fetch as having highs or lows - very steady.
Snt. Stephen No clue who'd fit...
Uther        Sean Connery, hair dyed darker
Marfeldt     Abraham Benrubi - the tall guy at the desk in ER/Kubiak in
Parker Lewis Can't Lose...capable of being very charismatic, well-built,
BIG, capacity for humor, I could see him in combat roles...not sure about
a darker side though
Rissa Aleford Sigourney Weaver
Sonia Sholako Now, THIS is the perfect role for Uma Thurman
The Iron Duke Cary Elwes - he has to be here somewhere and I think this'd
be a fine role for him
Toska Rusa    hmm...at a loss here


Oh well, those are my picks

I'd rather have popped up.  I wouldn't have had to run so much - Bill
Mazeroski, after a home run in an old-timers game, 1991

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:54 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Flying like a superhero

>>Well, while I've nothing against the image of flying medieval knights, it
>>does bother me the very concept of being able to fly away from a possible
>>confrontation given to 5th level mages.
>>
>Well, if the mage simply flies away, he's not going to want to meet his
>companions again (those that survive, anyway). And at 5th level he can
>only make himself fly (with one spell). Even at 9th level, he can only use
>the spell three times (IIRC).<


There's also quite a few flying monsters available, for DMs to sic on mages
who Fly off and leave their comrades in the lurch.  Even a half-dozen
hungry stirges can defeat lone, fifth-level mages, who've used up their
only third-level spell slots and are all by their lonesome, with nobody to
yank the nasty critters off the small of their backs.... ;-)


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:35:15 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>And from Blackmoor days:
>The Fetch    Older, unassuming, fairly dull, smart..hate to give a job to
>a former Nixonite but Ben Stein would be great for this part.  I don't see
>the Fetch as having highs or lows - very steady.
>Snt. Stephen No clue who'd fit...

Etc, etc, etc....

Just how long a movie are we planning, here?!  At this rate, the only thing
we could cram so many characters into would be a group photo!  ;-D

Seriously, any thoughts on what a Mystara-based movie should be about, i.e.
where and when we'd like it to be set?  Or, if not a movie (we wish!),
another novel-series...?


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:48:51 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms

For those who were part of the "Great Acronym Debate" -- aka "NACE is a
%#@*$ stupid name!" -- I thought you might be interested in something I
read, the other night.

In the preface to Edward Rutherford's "Sarum" (a loooong piece of British
historical fiction, which I figured I'd read over winter break), there's a
history of the WORD 'Sarum', a colloquial name for the Salisbury region of
England.  Apparently, 'Sarum' started out as an abbreviation/acronym widely
used by medieval scribes, for church and tax records, when referring to
Salisbury; but a rough pronunciation of the letters "SRM" soon became a
slang term for the locality.

So there's actually a precedent in real-life medieval history for "New
Alphatian Confederated Empire" --> "NACE" ... assuming Rutherford knows
what he's talking about.  Maybe Mystarans could start calling and spelling
it "Nayce", or something equally 'Middle Ages-ish', as their pronunciation
of NACE becomes more naturalized and people cease thinking of the letters
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:46:54 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

At 16.36 16/12/98 +0100, DM wrote:
>  Karameikos
>Stefan Karameikos: Kenneth Branagh

No, don't to these to poor Kenneth, please :-)

>Bensarian: Anthony Zerbe

Anthony Zerbe, where have I seen him before?

I throw in a few names, please find a place for them

Harrison Ford - Haldemar maybe?
John Goodman - King Everast?
John Turturro
Jodie Foster
Jennifer Jason Leigh
Clint Eastwood
Bridget Fonda





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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:49:56 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019

     
> 
> Don't you think he'd be too funny for the role?
> 
I think --no, I know-- he can do serious acting.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:05:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - D&D MUSH

> I'd be interested, but I don't know much about MUSH making.

For anyone interested in the topic and who thinks a Mystara MUSH would
work, check out http://tales.ccs.yorku.ca/mush.html



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:11:47 -0800
From: Andrew Theisen <jsmill@wans.net>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu

At 16:34:24 12/16/98 -0500, DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
 wrote:

><<Where are these guys from anyway? I thought they were from the Nightmare
>Dimension..?>>
>
>IIRC they're inhabitants of the Astral Plane. I seem to >recall the one
mentioned in VotPA came to Mystara to >collect samples of brain for his
thesis at the Astral >University of Jawwag-Uf. But they can have ties to ND
>as well.

I always took it that they were residents of the Astral Plane *in* the
Nightmare Dimension (using the dimensional rules from Frank Mentzer's Gold
box Immortals set, rather than the recent WotI rules). Which sort of makes
them, as I see it, the Nightmare Dimension equivalent of Githyanki...

As for their ships, I always tended to assume they traveled via planar
means, rather than spatial, though I suppose in the Prime they might have
ships...

><<I'm not saying they couldnt have colonized a planet in Mystaras Galaxy...
>Something for our MSpace-project Marco?>>
>
>Uhmm.. could be, why not? Even though I admit I tend to >view the
neh-thalgghu much more like explorators and >travelers rather then
colonizers of Prime Plane >worlds...

I agree- I also tend to see them as loners, rather than social creatures...
one of these days, I hope to do them justice with an official writeup...

Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:07:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)

> IMC there are Three major human religions in the Known World. 

I think you're trying to copy of RL too much.

> 1)The Thyatian Faith. This is the religion dominant in the Thyatian
> Empire, Karameikos, Heldann(among the Knights) Darokin, and Ylaruam. The 
> Eternal Truth, the Churches of Darokin and the Church of Karameikos are
> fractions within the religion.

No,no,no.  Keep them distinct, esp. Ylaurum from the others.  Different
deities=different religions.  And Thyatis is so multilayered - Ochalean
religion is probably vastly different than that of mainland Thyatis, and
the Hinterlands are also very distinct.

> philosofical disagreements, but are at most no more different than
> Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (Same creation myths, basically same
> ethics etc..)

I doubt you can get a Jew, Christian and Muslim to agree on great
similarities, no matter that we all start with the same background.
Ethics you can probably find agreement more...that's why I guess I can
read Jim Wallis or Martin Luther King Jr. or talk to muslims and agree
with what they have to say.  But practice of a religion and basic beliefs
differ big-time.  I'm amazed sometimes talking to Christians about their
practices and I'm sure they get the same view talking to me.

> 3)Shamanism, of various types can be found in Athruagin, Ethengar and also
> to a certain degree in Karameikos and in the Northern Reaches.

And there's a fairly distinct difference between those systems, too...also
the "monster" races should count here.

And you forget polytheistic cultures (those that have people following
from each system) or pseudo-secularist ones (Alphatia)...in other words,
things are never simple enough for 3 categories, especially where religion
is concerned.

Religions of Mystara...it could fit a whole book!

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:48:29 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

     
> 
> >Bensarian: Anthony Zerbe
> 
> Anthony Zerbe, where have I seen him before?
> 
He usually plays character or supporting roles. He was Mervin Wendel in
Centenial, but probably only I remember that. He plays the Admiral in the
latest Star Dreck: the Next Degeneration movie, and does a fair job with an
under written role.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:48:44 -0500
From: "DJ Sahlas" <dsahla@po-box.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

What a blast!  Here's my (carefully considered) list for Glantri:

>Etienne d'Ambreville:  Gerard Depardieu (have to go with Bruce on this one)
>Carnelia de Belcadiz:  Catherine Zeta-Jones (of course!)
>Jaggar von Drachenfels:  Dolph Lundren (imagine the monocle!)
>Carlotina Erewan:  Julia Roberts (dye her hair blonde)
>Morphail Gorevitch-Woszlany:  Pierce Brosnan (he's got enough class)
>Jherek Virayana:  Steven Seagal
>Innocenti di Malapietra:  the guy who plays Garibaldi on Babylon 5
>Malachie du Marais:  Tom Cruise
>Brannart McGregor:  Sean Connery!  (he can do a bad guy)
>Vanserie Vlaardoen:  Richard Attenborough
>Juliana Vlaardoen:  Nicole Kidman
>Urmahid Krinagar:  get somebody from Hong Kong
>Volospin Aendyr:  Val Kilmer!

    Jim Sahlas

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:37:52 +0100 (MET)
From: Agathokles <piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- General Comments

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 Ambreville@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/14/98 3:41:44 AM Central Standard Time,
> piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it writes:
> 
> > Eusebius arrives in Selenica as the strongest party (WDL members cannot
> agree over an action against Thyatis, and the Empire is holding Ylaruam and
> ready to invade Karameikos), but he steps out with almost empty hands [...]
> 
> I disagree with you here. Thyatis essentially wanted to force Karameikos back
> into the imperial fold, which the Treaties of Selenica did achieve. Karameikos
> lands up to the Rugalov River were annexed to the Duchy of Machetos, offering
> a better defensive position for the empire. Thyatis also permanently recovered
> Tameronikas, through legitimate treaties. They carved out a chunk of Ostland
> with their northern buddies, finally putting an end to the endemic Ostland
> piracy. They established more valuable ties with Darokin (one of the big
> players in the Known World), while still maintaining a "legitimate" toehold in
> Ylaruam.
> 
I agree on the territory matter. What I still perceive as a defeat for the
Thyatian diplomacy is the choice of the hostages.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:46:55 +0100 (MET)
From: Agathokles <piu2014@ccrd200.cdc.polimi.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, DM wrote:

> 
> Okay, here's my list (feel free to add other still living actors):
> 
> Demetrion Karagenteropulos: Vittorio Gassman

I was thinking of Gassman as Wilbur Raknarod, the human identity of the
dragon Raknaar in Glantri Gaz.

> Wulf von Klagendorf: Sean Connery

I vote Max von Sydow as Wulf, and Sean Connery as Patriarch Nikelnevich

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:12:29 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>Bargle   Robert De Niro would be great for this, now that he's a bit older

Remember that Bargle is only about 40 years old...

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:39:52 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)

Hey all. I had some time last night, so I whipped up a little Davanian
history (With some extrapolations) Have a look-see.

www.wpi.edu/~eand/Mystara/timeline.html


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:57:49 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)

Neat Stuff, Ethan. There has been a recent thread on the MMB about the
earthshakers and Vulcanian gnomes. You might want to have a look there as well
and see if there's anything you might want to cannibalize! (I suspect Stan has
already archived this stuff on his site otherwise). :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:34:19 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>> << Robert Downey, Jr. as Zandor >>
>> 
>> Truely inspired by the Immortals. Best one I've seen yet!
>>
>I was thinking Tim "Bob Roberts" Robbins, but Robert Downey, Jr. was a
>great pick.

Thank you thank you--I'll bill later ;-) (*Sheesh!--Wish my other stuff 
got this many raves!*) 8-)~

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:38:44 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>oh . . . Jenn. (sigh) Jenn.

:-0 ...Okay, okay--forgive me for not memorizing *every* name which 
crosses my path! :-)
>
>Alas, the ailing Sir John is one of England's great Shakespearean 
actors, a
>comtemporary of Olivier, etc. He's best knows in the States for playing 
the
>butler in Arther, with Dudley Moore. Most recently, he cameod as the 
Pope in
>"Elizabeth."

See? Now I remember him. Thank you, dahling...Let's do lunch?

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:50:11 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>I throw in a few names, please find a place for them
>
>Harrison Ford - Haldemar maybe?

I like it.

>John Goodman - King Everast?

Now *that's* one tall dwarf! Why not Goodman as Alexius Korrigan?

>Jodie Foster

Well, if we're going to do a "recent history of Mystara" type thing, I'd 
like to see her as Kitrina Meditor...But she certainly deserves a much 
bigger role. Empress Lucianna, perhaps?

>Jennifer Jason Leigh

Aleena?

>Clint Eastwood

Maybe Sir John from the SC?

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:24:57 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms

>what he's talking about.  Maybe Mystarans could start calling and spelling
>it "Nayce", or something equally 'Middle Ages-ish', as their pronunciation
>of NACE becomes more naturalized and people cease thinking of the letters
>as being short for anything.
>
Well, this still doesn't solve anything for those of us who play in languages other than English. For example, in Finnish this abbreviation would be something like "UAYK" (and Y isn't pronounced like in English, it's like U in French), which is quite hard to make a word out of :)

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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after 
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after 
[MYSTARA] - Dark Myst Manor
Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Dark Myst Manor
[MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
[MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: SVIFTMONT
Re: [MYSTARA] - Dark Myst Manor
Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
[MYSTARA] - MMB?
Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
Re: [MYSTARA] - MMB?
Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
Re: [MYSTARA] - MMB?
Re: [MYSTARA] - MMB?
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after 

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:00 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms

     
> >
> Well, this still doesn't solve anything for those of us who play in
languages other than English. For example, in Finnish this abbreviation
would be something like "UAYK" (and Y isn't pronounced like in English,
it's like U in French), which is quite hard to make a word out of :)
> 
Well, in some sense that shouldn't be considered a drawback, but rather an
added benifit. For example, I doubt that Alphatia uses latin characters for
their language, either (if anyone on Mystara does Thyatis prolly uses latin
characters, though who knows). If you consider "NACE" to be the abreviation
in Alphatia, then it becomes more likely that other nations would treat
"NACE" not as an abreviation (since the characters would mean nothing in
their own languages, unless they also speak Alphatian). So "Nayce" would
become a word, probably first for 'Thadder traders, and it's usage as a
word rather than an acronym would spread to much of the world via 'Thadder
trade lanes, and even become common in the ports and shops of NACE itself.
Thus, "Nayce" passes into widespread usage (among foreigners and
lower-classed Alphatians like merchants and workers).
	This has an added advantage, IMO, in that "NACE" the acronym could remain
current among Alphatians of higher class, and "New Alphatian Confederated
Empire" remaining prefered among the magocratic elite. Then you get a
hierarchy of usage within NACE itself, which would IMHO be highly
appropriate (and the Elites can look down their noses at their "lessers"
who use impresise, sloppy shorthand terms like "Nayce" to refer to their
grand and glorious nation).

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:01:51 PST
From: "Jerry Hovenanian" <clumsydwarf@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

On Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:33 +0100
DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it> wrote....

>Teldon: Roddy McDowell

Mr. McDowell died on October 3, 1998 form heat problems.
Anyone who saw the made-for-tv moive Merlin would pick Sam Neill to fill 
the void. 


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:49:11 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

Two answers in one mail

At 22.48 16/12/98 -0600, James Ruhland wrote:

>> Anthony Zerbe, where have I seen him before?
>> 
>He usually plays character or supporting roles. He was Mervin Wendel in
>Centenial, but probably only I remember that. He plays the Admiral in the
>latest Star Dreck: the Next Degeneration movie, and does a fair job with an
>under written role.

Found it! It wasn't Star Trek, because I don't watch it, it was the TV
series "The Young Riders".

At 11.50 17/12/98 PST, Jennifer Favia wrote:

>>Harrison Ford - Haldemar maybe?
>
>I like it.

Maybe a younger Harrison Ford, the one from Star Wars would have been better

>>John Goodman - King Everast?
>
>Now *that's* one tall dwarf! Why not Goodman as Alexius Korrigan?

Incredible! Korrigan was my first choice too, the I wrote King Everast
because.... don't know why :-)

>>Jennifer Jason Leigh
>
>Aleena?

Yes

>>Clint Eastwood
>
>Maybe Sir John from the SC?

Since the original Sir John is no more available, this is probably the best
choice.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:18:29 EST
From: RocksHope@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>>>Clint Eastwood
>>
>>Maybe Sir John from the SC?
>
>Since the original Sir John is no more available, this is probably the best
>choice.

Well, if it's going to be a good Mystara movie, we've got to have some good
special effects. Maybe they can fix you up a duke.  *tries to come up with
some good scenes from john wayne movies to "convert" to mystara*

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:53:36 -0600
From: anowack@juno.com (Aaron E Nowack)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:27:26 +0200 "Aleksei Andrievski"
<solmyr@kolumbus.fi> writes:
>>is one grand conquest to achieve it.  Sind was too weak a country to 
>>impress his sponsor, but Darokin would have qualified had he been 
>>successful.
>
>Hmmmmmm..... That's an idea.... *evil chuckle* :)


Oh great.  Not only do we have unidentified "Lords of Darkness", we now
have a possibly Immortal Master.  Come on, give the good guys a break for
once...


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:36:53 +0100
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" <anpro@accesocero.es>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

> 
> >>Harrison Ford - Haldemar maybe?
> >
> >I like it.
> 
> Maybe a younger Harrison Ford, the one from Star Wars would have been
better

Perhaps I am getting the wrong impression but, from DotE, the Alamancs and
other stuff I got the impressión that Haldemar was in his middle ages
(although Alphatian rejuvenation magic can do marvels)


Have you thought of Antonio Banderas as Morphail? Besides his nice
secondary roel in "Interview with the Vampire", I found quite a resemblance
between him and an illustration of Morphail in GKoM p. ??
 
Andrés
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:59:35 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after 

>Oh great.  Not only do we have unidentified "Lords of Darkness", we now
>have a possibly Immortal Master.  Come on, give the good guys a break 
for
>once...

A *break*?!? He's been Immortal IMC for a l-o-n-g 
while...mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha ;-)

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:36:48 -0600
From: "James Ruhland" <jruhlconob@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus

     
> 
> Oh great.  Not only do we have unidentified "Lords of Darkness", we now
> have a possibly Immortal Master.  Come on, give the good guys a break for
> once...
> 
That's where PCs come in. I'm personally always of the opinion that PCs
should be out doing heroic things and such, so you need a fair number of
wicked bad guy NPCs for them to oppose (otherwise, if you've only got one
or two major "threats" from which all negative things come, things get
tired and stale: "So, what is THRUSH planning today? It's always them,
right?")
	The PCs are around to give the good guys a break. NPCs are around to make
the lives of PCs dificult (within reason, of course.)

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:43:20 -0600
From: anowack@juno.com (Aaron E Nowack)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after 

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:59:35 PST "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
writes:
>>Oh great.  Not only do we have unidentified "Lords of Darkness", we 
>now
>>have a possibly Immortal Master.  Come on, give the good guys a break 
>
>for
>>once...
>
>A *break*?!? He's been Immortal IMC for a l-o-n-g 
>while...mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha ;-)


But the good guys in MBirthright  _really_ need a break.  It's probaly
the only game where you can talk about The Six Houses of Darokin,
Greenleaf Vickers the Traitor, Chancellor Nathalie Kalimi, Batu Khan as
Golden Khan of Ethengar, and other such things without having people look
at you stangely.  



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:38:31 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Dark Myst Manor

Hi everyone!

Well, I have finally gotten done overhauling my site--Dark Myst Manor, a 
Mystaran adventure site (with my files embedded) is up and running! Let 
me know what you think, on the list or privately.

Jenn
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:13:28 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Acronyms

> So "Nayce" would
>become a word, probably first for 'Thadder traders, and it's usage as a
>word rather than an acronym would spread to much of the world via 'Thadder
>trade lanes, and even become common in the ports and shops of NACE itself.
>Thus, "Nayce" passes into widespread usage (among foreigners and
>lower-classed Alphatians like merchants and workers).


Oh goodie, somebody likes "Nayce"!   :-)

No kidding, the Thadders would go in for this kind of thing.  Their whole
language (patois) is based on the accumulation of foreign loan-words,
racial dialects, and technical jargon from every profession known to
man/elf/etc.  Acronyms would fit right in, especially if they rhyme easily:
"There was a young wizard from Nayce, whose beard wouldn't grow on his
face...."



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Sleazy wererat-speak, straight from the Thyatian gutters!


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:16:56 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>On Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:33 +0100
>DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it> wrote....
>
>>Teldon: Roddy McDowell
>
>Mr. McDowell died on October 3, 1998 form heat problems.
>Anyone who saw the made-for-tv moive Merlin would pick Sam Neill to fill
>the void.
>
>
>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>>
><-----<<<   Jerry Hovenanian  *  clumsydwarf@hotmail.com    >>>----->
><<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<<


Awww, heck, nobody's ever going to make this movie anyway ... what's wrong
with leaving auditions open to dead people?  Roddy's be great!   :-)


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:16:35 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Dark Myst Manor

Very nicely done Jenn!
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:23:56 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

Aye, this is another glimpse of the little trifles of magic I've learnt over
the years.  Early in my adventuring career, we were beset by elemental vermin
later found to be conjured by Delvin Madar, a renegade of the Karameikan Mages
Guild.  I developed this small magic to add a punch to my then meagre
collection of offensive magic.

Wynter's Elemental Missiles
Level: 2
Range: 150'
Duration: 1 round
Effect: Creates 1 or more missiles of elemental material.
  Elemental Missiles is a variant of the magic missile spell.  Because of its
elemental nature, it is slightly more difficult to cast.  The caster must have
some of the element the missiles are to be of (a breath of air, few drops of
water, some dirt or rock or a small flame) when he casts the spell.  All of
the missiles (if the caster is powerful enough to gain multiple missiles) will
be of the same element.
  Damage of the missiles is 1d4+1.  If the missile is a dominant element (RC
p264) it inflicts double damage.  Against opposing elements the damage is as
normal and against dominant elemental opponents, the missile does minimum
damage.

So there ye have it.  If there be any general types of magic that yer looking
for, send me an email and I'll be glad to help ye if I can.

Arminath Wynter - "No, no, boy!  The big dog men are gnolls, the LITTLE
ones're kobolds!  What?  Thelvin told you the other way around?"
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:24:57 PST
From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" <gallidox@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: SVIFTMONT

SVIFTMONT 3, AC 1015: Zorok Summons His Daughters.
   Location: Haldemar, Alphatian Neatharum.  HW

   Description: Once again, Zorok meets with his daughters.  This time, 
his demeanor is calm and friendly.  He tells his girls that he is wary 
of the motives of the Alphatian people, but if they wish to marry these 
Alphatians then so be it.  (See Fy. 5, Fy. 27; Sv. 21, Sv. 26.)

   What This Means: Since the first meeting with his daughters, Zorok 
has had time to think.  He has been told of Dogrel's removal and that 
his wounded warriors have been tended to.  He is still suspicious of the 
Alphatians but sees Dogrel's removal as a good sign.  The fate of his 
wounded and captured warriors is of concern to him.
   As for his daughters, he is still unhappy at their choice of men.  He 
realizes that there might be some Alphatians worthy enough to be 
trusted; however, his blessing on the matter is based on his 
expectations of his daughters.  He is sure Zorena will tire of her lover 
and look elsewhere.  Zerrella is another matter; Zorok suspects she is 
emulating her older sister and most probably will do the same.


SVIFTMONT 7, AC 1015: New Way Gains Followers.
   Location: Throughout the Azcan Empire, Azca.  HW

   Description: Among the followers of the New Way, the ancient prophecy 
of Quetzalcoatl is spoken again, and it begins to spread through the 
country, mostly through the common people.
   The whole year, Atruatzin's underground priests and followers in the 
New Way and out of it have dreams and find omens of his impending 
return.  These tend to follow Papalotl around.  Azcan soothsayers are 
bombarded with omens which they try to ignore in order to avoid getting 
themselves into trouble, but by the end of the year most people know 
there is something miraculous about to happen.  (See Am. 20, Am. 23; Sv. 
19, Sv. 26.)

   What This Means: The New Way blossoms, despite the efforts of 
Atzanteotl's clergy to catch the heretic.  Moreover, the complacent 
clerics of the evil Immortal do not realize the full effect Papalotl's 
preaching and actions are having among the populace.  They merely step 
up the sacrifices in an attempt to satiate their patron's thirst for 
blood - after all, the problems of recent times will be solved by the 
Azcans' Immortal guardian.


SVIFTMONT 19, AC 1015: Malpheggi Raid on Yuzihuapac.
   Location: Yuzihuapac, Azca.  HW

   Description: The city of Yuzihuapac is raided by a small force of 
lizardmen emerging and returning rapidly to the cover of the Malpheggi 
Swamp, before the garrisons of the city can get in order and much before 
the rookies from Fort Zitapan arrive.  Little damage is done, except to 
the Azcans' pride.  (See Am. 23, Sv. 7; Sv. 26, Ei. 14.)

   What This Means: The shaman of a small clan on the border of the 
swamp was inspired by Ka to mount a raid on the Azcan city.  The force 
gathered was small and did little damage, but the plunder was good in 
the Malpheggi standard.  Yet more officers and common soldiers are sent 
to the sacrificial altar.


SVIFTMONT 21, AC 1015: Imperial Decree.
   Location: Andaire, Jafilia, Alphatia.  HW

   Description: Empress Eriadna issues a decree regarding the situation 
in Alphatian Neatharum.  She officially removes Dogrel from power and 
recalls him to the Floating Continent to assume a command in the 
Imperial Guard.  The decree also addresses the matter of the Neathar 
warriors held as prisoners since their assault on Haldemar: they will 
remain as prisoners pending negotiations with the Neathar.  (See Fy. 27, 
Sv. 3; Sv. 26, Ei. 14.)

   What This Means: Eriadna has finally ruled on Dogrel's fate.  Despite 
his apparent crimes, he has also performed tasks that benefited the 
Empire, like his actions during the assault on Haldemar which strongly 
aids his defense.  In light of these actions, Eriadna has decided to 
remove him from power and recall him to Alphatia.  The appointment to 
the Imperial Guard is a way for him to publicly save face after being 
removed from power; his appointment will also keep him near to Imperial 
influence and limit any further transgressions.  Essentially, he will 
replace Commander Ezreilla who will remain as military governor for the 
time being.
   Eriadna wants the hostilities from the Neathar to stop; she hopes to 
accomplish this through negotiation.  The presence of so many Neathar, 
not to mention Zorok, as prisoners will greatly aid their negotiations.  
If negotiations fail to resolve the matter, she is prepared to use 
force.  With this in mind, she has yet another reason to keep Dogrel 
around, as his expertise with combating the Neathar will be needed if 
the situation degrades to call for war.


SVIFTMONT 26, AC 1015: Forgotten Spell Gains New Life.
   Location: Axateotl, Azca.  HW

   Description: Papalotl discovers in the ruins of Axateotl, in the 
temple of Kalaktatla, the secret of the clerical spell Sticks to 
Feathered Serpents.  (See Sv. 7, Sv. 19; Ei. 14, Ka. 1.)


SVIFTMONT 26, AC 1015: The Prodigal Alphatian Is Returned.
   Location: Andaire, Jafilia, Alphatia.  HW

   Description: A skyship berths at the Imperial Palace.  From it 
emerges Dogrel, who is met by Imperial Guards.  As servants and crewmen 
unload his baggage and possessions, the Guards escort him into the 
palace, where he is brought before Empress Eriadna.
   Eriadna scolds him for disobeying her directives.  She tells him that 
she is well within her right to call for his head.  However, she 
declares that that would be a waste; instead, Dogrel will assume the 
command of Commander Ezreilla who is serving as military governor in 
Neatharum.  She adds that perhaps by serving in such a role Dogrel will 
better appreciate the power and authority of the Imperial Court.  (See 
Sv. 3, Sv. 21; Ei. 14, Ei. 15.)

   What This Means: Eriadna does what she thinks will satisfy those that 
support Dogrel's policies with the Neathar while at the same time offer 
punishment.  Dogrel is to report to one of the Empire's Grand Imperial 
Alphatian Divisions as a Field Commander [Deputy Commander.  Ed.], 
though he really is over qualified for the commission.  Eriadna has 
taken the added precaution of having other loyal officers keep their 
eyes open for any treachery from Dogrel.




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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:26:28 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Dark Myst Manor

>Very nicely done Jenn!

Thank you!!  

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:46:01 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Ambreville@aol.com wrote:

> and see if there's anything you might want to cannibalize! (I suspect Stan has
> already archived this stuff on his site otherwise). :o)

Oh shoot me. What is Stan's site?


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:13:11 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - MMB?

OK. Here's my problem. Everything cool is happening on the board. I can't
access it. 

What am I doing wrong? 

It is tsronline.wizards.com:80, right?


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:00:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)

> Oh shoot me. What is Stan's site?

THE Mystara site.  http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/

Spend a few days reading all the fine stuff there (that is, everything not
mine).



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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:08:37 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - MMB?

>OK. Here's my problem. Everything cool is happening on the board.

Are we too boring here for you, Ethan? 

>It is tsronline.wizards.com:80, right?

Someone mentioned seomthing about their changing the address, but I 
don't recall what it is...You might want to email Etienne (Bruce).

Jenn

Dark Myst Manor:
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:25:22 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Mischa E Gelman wrote:

> > Oh shoot me. What is Stan's site?
> 
> THE Mystara site.  http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/

oh.. SHAWN Stanley :) hehe. I know that site. Didn't know who "stan" was. 

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:26:42 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - MMB?

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Jennifer Favia wrote:

> Are we too boring here for you, Ethan? 

Not really, but some beautiful people posted all kinds of nice Gnomish
things on the board, and I had to incorporate them all into my Timeline :)

By the By, You can see revision 2 up on my site. Any glaring
inconsitencies?

Ethan

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:27:40 -0600
From: Tim <galwylin@airnet.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - MMB?

The address is still tsronline.wizards.com but you have to redownload
the groups.  They've been renamed.  I think Mystara is TSR.OOP.Mystara

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:55:32 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after 

>But the good guys in MBirthright  _really_ need a break.  It's probaly
>the only game where you can talk about The Six Houses of Darokin,
>Greenleaf Vickers the Traitor, Chancellor Nathalie Kalimi, Batu Khan as
>Golden Khan of Ethengar, and other such things without having people look
>at you stangely.  
>
Not to mention King Roger Attleson of Darokin, Prince Stefan of Traladara, the majorly evil assassin Oran Meditor, Magestrix Vivianna Romanones who basically runs Thyatis, King Fredek Halvardson of Heldann, Doge Kol the paragon of virtue, and Alfric Oderbry the Patriarch of Karameikos. Yeah, people should really join my game for new experiences :)

>"Next on the 24-hour-a-day MBirthright channel... the Master of Hule and
>his Dancing  Lackeys!"
>
:)

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mystara-digest      Saturday, December 19 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 756



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
[MYSTARA] - New OD&D Skill
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
[MYSTARA] - Haldemar's Age
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell
Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)
Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:48:59 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus

>Oh great.  Not only do we have unidentified "Lords of Darkness", we now
>have a possibly Immortal Master.  Come on, give the good guys a break for
>once...
>
Actually the Lord of Darkness is already identified in some circles :)

And Immortal Master wouldn't be as bad as you think. Remember, Immortals aren't allowed to directly interfere on Mystara, so he would be gone, and you'd only have to face someone like Ismet :)

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:47:11 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

>>>Harrison Ford - Haldemar maybe?
>>
>>I like it.
>
>Maybe a younger Harrison Ford, the one from Star Wars would have been better
>
Well, Haldemar *is* 55 years old...

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:34:30 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

At 18.47 18/12/98 +0200, Aleksei Andrievski wrote:

>Well, Haldemar *is* 55 years old...

Whoa.. in the pictures he looks younger :-)
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:55:16 +1100
From: stan <shawn@leme.anu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)

>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:25:22 -0500 (EST)
>From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
>Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Vulcanian timeline (Draft 1)
>
>On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Mischa E Gelman wrote:
>
>> > Oh shoot me. What is Stan's site?
>> 
>> THE Mystara site.  http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/
>
>oh.. SHAWN Stanley :) hehe. I know that site. Didn't know who "stan" was. 

yeah you get it shawn STANley, hardly the most original nickname - and
you guys thought NACE was bad, sheesh.  What would someone who hails from
NACE be called a Nacian (pronounce it a few times and it sounds like nation).

"Hello I'm a Nacian"
"I heard about no man being an island but this is just ridiculous."

stan
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:36:39 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

Arminath,

Once more you've added another great spell for D&D users! :-)

Just to let everyone know:

My site has a new front page.  That's right, I've had so many new things
going up, and my webmaster's so busy with other things, that I've decided
to take matters into my own hands an jazz everything up a bit.  My old
site is accessible from the new one, and it will be a repository for my
older stuff, and some new materials might eventually find their way there
(and this is where all my maps are, too!).

For those wanting a suitable entrance into my Mystaran world, go to:

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091.

Come one, come all! New updates imminent!

New spells!

More choice tidbits from my ever-growing Book of Unspeakable Outer Being
Lore!

More lost history!

More spells 'n' such! 

See you there!

:-)

Geoff 

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:02:07 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

hey, the link was missing!
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:30:15 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Skill

Ah, well good eve to all of ye.  I was told by my player to send his thanks to
all of ye that like my studies and smallish exploits of when I was actively
adventuring, ahh those days seem so long past.  A recent even has reminded me
of the reason I took up the Arts of sorcery in addition to swordcraft, as so
many of my Shadowed bretheren do.  I was without my pipe lighter yestereve and
pondered how to light the blasted thing when I thought of my early days in the
City of Stars.  Learning the Art of manipulating the energies of magic was
difficult, but eventually I mastered the most rudiment form of control.  No,
sadly, this was not a mighty Magic Missile, nor even my own Starlight Blade
spell, but the skill of Prestidigition.  Learning to focus the barest of the
magical energies is the first step every mage learns in order to cast even a
1st level spell.  After the budding mageling earns his spellbook and goes out
into the world, most leave the minor powers behind, seeking ever greater power
and spells.  Sometimes the need to remember from whence one comes is
important.  With it, i got my pipe lit.

Prestidigitation (Intelligence)
This skill allows a character to create small, obviously magical effects
within an area of 10 feet.  By using this skill, nonmagical device actions may
be emulated, such as cutting someone's hair or beard, lighting a small flame,
polishing objects, changing an object's basic color and other such similar
things.  The user of this skill may perform minor magical effects, such as
creating a light globe 1' radius, a 2-d illusion, teleport small objects up to
12 coins in weight or other similar extremely weak magical effects.  No more
than 1 object or target can be affected, or several tiny things.  Unwilling
creatures this skill is used upon may attempt a Saving Throw vs Spells with a
+1 bonus.  Using this skill requires total concentration while the effect is
desired to last.

So there ye have it, the littlest of the magics I know of.  My player asks me
to note to ye that DM's may want to impose a limit on how many times per day
the skill may be used if players begin abusing it.  Oh?  What's the Starlight
Blade spell ye ask?  Well then, that's a tidbit for another time, now isn't
it?

Arminath Wynter - "Yes, I need a band of adventures for pest removal.  Where
ye ask?  That smallish lizard over there.  Don't worry, it doesn't bite unless
ye get too close.  Oh, watch out for the flaming breath."
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:00:50 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

In a message dated 1998-12-16 15:43:05 Eastern Standard Time,
megst19+@pitt.edu writes:

> Eriadna  Demi Moore (dark-haired slut who loves artsy stuff [dons
>  anti-flame armor])

Remember -- Eriadna is described (and depicted on the box cover) as
having a "Common Alphatian" appearance, which means that she is 
best played by an actress with reddish blond hair -- preferably one with
a nice tan but whose appearance does NOT suggest "bimbo".  So
Demi Moore is definitely out, and Sigourney Weaver would need a 
wig.  How about Sharon Stone?
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:00:51 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortal candidates after "Fall of Glantri" -- Hosadus

In a message dated 1998-12-17 18:57:51 Eastern Standard Time, anowack@juno.com
writes:

> Oh great.  Not only do we have unidentified "Lords of Darkness", we now
>  have a possibly Immortal Master.  Come on, give the good guys a break for
>  once...

I did.  By spreading the Red Curse to Hule, I liberated Sind and eliminated
a threat from Darokin, albeit at the expense of most of the Savage Coast.
In fact, the only places where I made things worse were countries that were
already in some sort of trouble.
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:00:48 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

In a message dated 1998-12-16 10:48:15 Eastern Standard Time,
mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it writes:

> Okay, here's my list (feel free to add other still living actors):
>  
>    Thyatis
>  Thincol Torion: Sylvester Stallone

How about Dolph Lundgren?  Remember, Thincol was born in Norwold,
so he should look more Scandinavian than Italian.
  
>    Glantri
>  Dolores Hillsbury/Synn: Isabelle Adjani or Cher

Of the two, I would definitely prefer Isabelle Adjani.  Or how about 
Mathilda May (the space vampire in "Lifeforce")?  I don't think I have
ever seen a movie monster who was so vicious and yet at the same
time so charming.

>  Jherek Virayana: Keanu Reeves
>  Urmahid Krinagar: John Travolta

You must be kidding with these two.  Remember, they are of Ethengarian
ancestry and so should have an East Asian look.  Toshiro Mifune would be
perfect for Jherek if he were still alive.
 
>    Ierendi
>  Thoran Magnus: Tom Selleck
>  Mr Coarke: Ricardo Montalban

Of course there is no disputing these two -- who do you think these
characters were based on?  Unfortunately, the actor for Matou (Mr.
Coarke's gnome servant) is dead.

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:31:43 PST
From: "Jerry Hovenanian" <clumsydwarf@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Haldemar's Age

 From:    

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:34:30 +0100 Fabrizio Paoli wrote:

>At 18.47 18/12/98 +0200, Aleksei Andrievski wrote:
>
>>Well, Haldemar *is* 55 years old...
>
>Whoa.. in the pictures he looks younger :-)
>*********************************************************************

Actually in AC 1014 Haldemar is 103 years old. He was born in 911 but 
missed 34 years when Synn transported him and the Princess Ark in time. 
So he is accually 69 and according to the Poor Wizard's III he looks to 
be about 60. In the Poor Wizards II there is a very forgiving picture of 
him on pp 131 (he looks to be about 35) but in Champions of Mystara Box 
in the Heros of the Princess Ark on pp 77 there is a better picture of 
him. 

>>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>>
<-----<<<   Jerry Hovenanian  *  clumsydwarf@hotmail.com    >>>----->
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

>
>hey, the link was missing!

Ah, that's because I haven't finsihed adding the new stuff to the page. 
Try again later this week - I've got all of your spells that you submitted
to the MML, just need to format them and post 'em.

BTW - How many spells have you invented? Would there be enough to add a
"Arminath's Wondrous Repository of Magical Knowledge" ?

Geoff

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:15:46 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)

Hi Mischa!
Thanks for the comments! :)

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Mischa E Gelman wrote:

> > IMC there are Three major human religions in the Known World. 
> 
> I think you're trying to copy of RL too much.

Maybe. I've borrowed alot from the real world, although my idea is to
borrow the structures from real world sources and make it different by
adding the details.

This is an attempt to make some underlaying stuctures in the believes of
the Mystarans. It is ofcourse terribly generalizing and simplified.
Because the religious institutions of the Known World are considerably
weaker than the Church was in Europe during the middle ages, millions of
sects with unique practices have developed. This is only my attempt to
look at the Big Picture(tm).

> > 1)The Thyatian Faith. This is the religion dominant in the Thyatian
> > Empire, Karameikos, Heldann(among the Knights) Darokin, and Ylaruam. The 
> > Eternal Truth, the Churches of Darokin and the Church of Karameikos are
> > fractions within the religion.
 
> No,no,no.  Keep them distinct, esp. Ylaurum from the others.  Different
> deities=different religions.  And Thyatis is so multilayered - Ochalean
> religion is probably vastly different than that of mainland Thyatis, and
> the Hinterlands are also very distinct.

They should be different. IMO, the Eternal Truth is an adaption of the
Thyatian faith, but made so to fit the culture of the Ylari. My reason for
doing this is to explain the fact that all these groups contain similar
elements such as similar creation myths, concepts of sins, heaven and
hell. Yet, through the years the groups become different from one another.

> > philosofical disagreements, but are at most no more different than
> > Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (Same creation myths, basically same
> > ethics etc..)
> 
> I doubt you can get a Jew, Christian and Muslim to agree on great
> similarities, no matter that we all start with the same background.
> Ethics you can probably find agreement more...that's why I guess I can
> read Jim Wallis or Martin Luther King Jr. or talk to muslims and agree
> with what they have to say.  But practice of a religion and basic beliefs
> differ big-time.  I'm amazed sometimes talking to Christians about their
> practices and I'm sure they get the same view talking to me.

At least the muslims believe that all the three follow the same God. And
the Old testament is an important part of all three religions. Ofcourse,
the three are separate religions, but do have the same foundation, right?
But you are right ofcourse that practice is vastly different, as it should
also be on Mystara.

BTW, which of these groups do you belong to? (Just curious :)
 
> > 3)Shamanism, of various types can be found in Athruagin, Ethengar and also
> > to a certain degree in Karameikos and in the Northern Reaches.
> 
> And there's a fairly distinct difference between those systems, too...also
> the "monster" races should count here.

Yep.
I sortof left the nonhumans out of this. I think that Goblinoids should be
fit into the Shamanism-category. Although they also worship Immortals,
they revere them in a similar manner as they revere spirits. (IMO)

> And you forget polytheistic cultures (those that have people following
> from each system) or pseudo-secularist ones (Alphatia)...in other words,
> things are never simple enough for 3 categories, especially where religion
> is concerned.

Yep. I was probably a bit unclear on this one. When I said the Known
World, I actually meant Eastern Brun.

Alphatia and the Thyatian colonies are totally different. 
IMO. Alphatians probably have their own mythology, but mainly care about
Immortals for the power they provide.

> Religions of Mystara...it could fit a whole book!

I agree.  Let me write the first chapter! ;)

Seriously though, I've always felt that this issue has been left out of
Mystara. In fact, this is also (sadly) true for most TSR settings.
Probably mainly of political reasons. The only parts mentioned are those
about the benefits and restrictions of Clerics abilities(Game Mechanics),
while religion should have huge impact on the lives of the average
Mystarans.

Håvard

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:31:29 EST
From: EzJ25@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New OD&D Magic-user Spell

Geoff, Arminath is the 1st elf character I ever rolled up.  That was almost 15
years ago.  In that time, I've filled up a 3-ring binder with spells, magical
items and a few misc things.  Arminath is now a 15th level Elf (my house rules
expand the level limits for demihumans somewhat) that has become one of the
most travelled characters I've ever run for OD&D.  Erlist'ath-rath'thro, Elven
for 'Wynter's Scrolls of Arcane Lore', is what his spellbooks are known as by
his few friends.  As of yet, Arminath has never taken apprentices, but has
given copies of his spells as payment for jobs by adventurers.
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mystara-digest       Monday, December 21 1998       Volume 1997 : Number 757



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: The Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu
[MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
[MYSTARA] - Happy Holidays!
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)
[MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
[MYSTARA] - [Fwd: New OD&D Skill]

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:01:11 PST
From: "Jennifer Favia" <valerya@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: The Movie

Hi all!

I was watching Xena this afternoon and saw the 
*perfect* person to play Jherek Virayana. His name is 
Marton Csokas; he plays Borias (sp?).

Jenn

Explore Dark Myst Manor!
 http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/
 


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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:43:39 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Andrew Theisen wrote:

> At 16:34:24 12/16/98 -0500, DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it>
>  wrote:
> 
> >IIRC they're inhabitants of the Astral Plane. I seem to >recall the one
> mentioned in VotPA came to Mystara to >collect samples of brain for his
> thesis at the Astral >University of Jawwag-Uf. But they can have ties to ND
> >as well.
> 
> I always took it that they were residents of the Astral Plane *in* the
> Nightmare Dimension (using the dimensional rules from Frank Mentzer's Gold
> box Immortals set, rather than the recent WotI rules). Which sort of makes
> them, as I see it, the Nightmare Dimension equivalent of Githyanki...

That is an interesting idea...
 
> As for their ships, I always tended to assume they traveled via planar
> means, rather than spatial, though I suppose in the Prime they might have
> ships...

Well, they did in the World in Flames Timeline.
But I think there should be more than one culture of Neh-Thalggu. This
sounds more Mystara-ish than the standard AD&D assumption of one race, one
culture. We dont even have to make a subrace.


I said:
> ><<I'm not saying they couldnt have colonized a planet in Mystaras Galaxy...
> >Something for our MSpace-project Marco?>>

Marco:

> >Uhmm.. could be, why not? Even though I admit I tend to >view the
> neh-thalgghu much more like explorators and >travelers rather then
> colonizers of Prime Plane >worlds...

Andrew:
> I agree- I also tend to see them as loners, rather than social creatures...
> one of these days, I hope to do them justice with an official writeup...

IMO they need some sort of culture to establish a race at all. The reason
why they are seen as loners could be that only lone explorers have made it
to the Prime Plane(?)

Note that when I used the word colonize, i didn't neccesarily mean that in
the "taking the land of someone else" meaning. Besides the Ship from World
in Flames seems to come from the Prime Plane, although I suppose they
could have started elsewhere and then crossed the Planar/Dimensional
border somewhere.

Another thing. One more spaceship crashes on Mystara. We've established
that the Federation won't be looking for the Beagle. Whatabout the
Neh-Thalggu, do they have friends?

Håvard

PS: Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays too all of you! :)

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:47:33 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

A couple of questions before I start making the final preparations for
Christmas. I hope you have time to answer them. :)

What exactly is a Product Manager? How much influence did you actually
have on the Gazetteer Products. Were there any underlaying ideas about
what the Known World was supposed to be like, except what was mentioned in
the Expert Box?

Håvard

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:45:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

> Just how long a movie are we planning, here?!  At this rate, the only thing
> we could cram so many characters into would be a group photo!  ;-D

That's the usual idea with such plans :)  How about a nightly 2-hour
flick?  There's just SO much to cover...

> Seriously, any thoughts on what a Mystara-based movie should be about, i.e.
> where and when we'd like it to be set?  Or, if not a movie (we wish!),
> another novel-series...?

One storyline..hmm...tough....maybe CM1 or M2?

Or the best of course would be the film or novel-series "NOT ANOTHER
FANTASY EPIC" in which we get Little Women or Emma or some other
NON-EPIC story in a fantasy setting.

- -Mischa, who has gotten several more epic fantasys for the holiday (Glen
Cook's Black Company, Dave Duncan's Magic Casement most noticeably.
Martha Wells' book is stand-alone (WOW!) and Pratchett
is...well..Pratchett) and enjoys them but obviously thinks the genre has
a large unused range


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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:12:20 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

In a message dated 12/20/98 6:48:08 AM Central Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no
writes:

<< What exactly is a Product Manager? How much influence did you actually
 have on the Gazetteer Products. Were there any underlaying ideas about
 what the Known World was supposed to be like, except what was mentioned in
 the Expert Box? >>

A Product Manager (aka Creative Director, Group Leader, etc) was in charge of
putting together the contents of a product line (what titles, what topics),
devising the line's general strategy, lining up staff or freelance authors and
editors, setting budgets, presenting the overall plan to upper management, and
implementing whatever decision finally came from upper management (even if in
disagreement). The product manager was responsible for the day to day
development of products in his/her line, design and editorial reviews,
monitoring graphics and artistic production, as well as monitoring sales
performances. The impact was important on the product, but full authority on
all issues pertaining to the product was not always granted, especially
regarding budgets, graphics, and overall marketing strategy. Against this,
other activities were also required elsewhere, as was my case with production
scheduling and acquisitions for the games division. Fortunately, I had "only"
one product line to worry about. Other product managers had multiple lines,
many of which including either more or much larger releases than Mystara to
deal with.

Initially, there were very few underlying notions for what Mystara should have
been like. Karameikos was seen as a "beginner's" corner, but the rest was wide
open. The final tone of the Known World was set with the first few Gazetteers.
I was the one who came up with the idea of the Gazetteers (contents, style,
format, etc).  Does this answer your question?

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:43:14 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara novels

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Glen Sprigg wrote:

> There were also the Penhaligon trilogy, written by J.D. Heinrich, which
> didn't do very well.  They weren't bad, but didn't really fit in well with
> the Mystara setting.

The same can be said about the Dark Knight of Karameikos. What I have done
is to use some of the characters/elements from the novels in my campaign
while ignoring what I didnt like. Dark Knight of Karameikos is set in the
future of my campaign, so I havent done anything about that yet, though
I'm probably using what the Net Almanac has done with Grygory and his
associates.

Sir Flinn, his squire Johauna Menhir and the Order of the three suns are
part of my campaign. I've ignored most of the rest of the D&D novels,
although Flinn is rumoured to have killed a dragon. (this is a big thing
IMC, dragons are pretty rare).

Håvard

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:49:52 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 Ambreville@aol.com wrote:

> Initially, there were very few underlying notions for what Mystara should have
> been like. Karameikos was seen as a "beginner's" corner, but the rest was wide
> open. The final tone of the Known World was set with the first few Gazetteers.
> I was the one who came up with the idea of the Gazetteers (contents, style,
> format, etc).  Does this answer your question?

Yep. Thankyou very much Bruce! I'll let you get back to your christmas
preparations now. BTW, thanks for giving us the Gazetteer line!

Håvard

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:23:36 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

In a message dated 12/20/98 11:50:27 AM Central Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no
writes:

<< Yep. Thankyou very much Bruce! I'll let you get back to your christmas
 preparations now. BTW, thanks for giving us the Gazetteer line  >>

You're welcome. . . and a  Merry Christmas to all!  :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:24:50 PST
From: "Ariel Guerra" <thalaric1@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Happy Holidays!

Hi everyone!

We just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday (before everything gets 
hectic!:) Here's a "wish" from us to the MML:

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/audio/wewish.mid

...(Oh, and Happy Hannukah, Ramadan, Solstice, etc., too!)

Ariel and Jenn


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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:51:53 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

>Initially, there were very few underlying notions for what Mystara should have
>been like. Karameikos was seen as a "beginner's" corner, but the rest was wide
>open. The final tone of the Known World was set with the first few Gazetteers.
>I was the one who came up with the idea of the Gazetteers (contents, style,
>format, etc).  Does this answer your question?
>
>Bruce Heard

It answered HIS question ... but now you've gotten me curious, too!  :-D

How closely were the various Gazetteers' designs interlinked?  What I mean
is, the first batch of Gaz1-4 seemed mostly stand-alone; apart from trading
ambassadors, these nations didn't draw many historical connections to one
another.  Starting with Gaz5 & 6, however, we started to see themes that
"crossed over" between consecutive products -- the Thorns are the first
case I recall -- as well as a few dropped "hints" about upcoming
developments (e.g. the shadow elves, Aengmor/Oenkmar, Jaggar's machinations
with Thar).  By the end of the series, Gaz14 was totally intertwined with
both the Hollow World setting and the previous Gaz.

Were those common storylines just stray plot-threads, which their authors
had picked out of previous Gazetteers ... or were some of these
"foreshadowed" events -- like the revelation that the shadow elves weren't
just drow-clones, but something totally different -- planned in advance?
When DID the shadow elves get re-cast as a misunderstood race, instead of
evil "monsters", by the oD&D/Gaz design team?

Don't bother answering this before X-mas, if you're in the midst of holiday
shopping, Bruce ... but some time, when you get a minute, I'd honestly like
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:08:05 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

In a message dated 12/20/98 2:52:57 PM Central Standard Time,
dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes:

<< How closely were the various Gazetteers' designs interlinked?  What I mean
 is, the first batch of Gaz1-4 seemed mostly stand-alone; apart from trading
 ambassadors, these nations didn't draw many historical connections to one
 another.>>

Correct. The first few Gaz's were designed in a semi-void since there was no
overall design for the Known World to go by, save the stuff from X1 and the
Expert Set. In general, even with the later Gaz's, they tended to remain
somewhat independent from each other because the work was performed mostly out
of house by freelance writers. It's a bit harder to design a coherent world
this way, although there were other advantages (different styles and ideas
which made the end result so colorful and varied).

<<  Starting with Gaz5 & 6, however, we started to see themes that
 "crossed over" between consecutive products -- the Thorns are the first
 case I recall -- as well as a few dropped "hints" about upcoming
 developments (e.g. the shadow elves, Aengmor/Oenkmar, Jaggar's machinations
 with Thar).  By the end of the series, Gaz14 was totally intertwined with
 both the Hollow World setting and the previous Gaz.>>

Yes, by then there was so much in existence thanks to the first releases that
the authors felt more confident and could pick up on threads on their own
initiative. It was a blast for them because there was a great deal of freedom
in what they could come up with. One drawback though, was getting writers to
"accept" that another setting could have messed up the one they had been
assigned to design sometime in their history (or being bad guys somehow). This
created a sort of quasi-utopic historical timeline with almost everybody being
very nice and neighborly.
 
 <<Were those common storylines just stray plot-threads, which their authors
 had picked out of previous Gazetteers ... or were some of these
 "foreshadowed" events -- like the revelation that the shadow elves weren't
 just drow-clones, but something totally different -- planned in advance?>>

Nope, not much planning here. We were designing Gazetteers pretty much on the
go! We had lots of stray plots and inconsistencies, as could have been
expected. The nature of the shadow elves as totally different breed of
characters came as the result of a discussion I had with Gary Thomas, the
original author of the Shadow Elves, over breakfast at the Hilton in L.A.
during a convention. He was fishing for ideas on how to approach them, and we
"kinda" decided not to copy the drow and come up with something new. For
reasons not under his control, he had to bow out of the project half way
through, and Carl Sargent (from the U.K.) finished the project, refining the
Shadow Elves along the way. I met Carl personally years later at Euro GenCon
in England. Phone communications with a 6-7hour time difference really does
not help. A lot of stuff happened this way, since communications with the
majority of my writers happened either via letters, phones, or during
conventions. 

Staff meetings? Not a single one, until we got to Red Steel when some inhouse
staff became more directly involved with Mystara! Til then, the best we got
was a three way conversation with another designer and her editor during
GenCon, and some unplanned chat during a Mystara seminar with six or seven
prior contributors. People were asking questions, and we answered (often
making up stuff on the spot... revisiting them later on over the phone, and
then implementing the ones that we though were cool). Right. . . Go organize
the development of a new world this way -- and there was no internet back
then. Most of the communications were one on one. So, you think I had an
impact, since I was Mystara-Central? You bet. :o) 

<< When DID the shadow elves get re-cast as a misunderstood race, instead of
 evil "monsters", by the oD&D/Gaz design team?>>

That kinda happened as the result of the Almanacs IIRC. 
 
 <<Don't bother answering this before X-mas, if you're in the midst of holiday
 shopping, Bruce ... but some time, when you get a minute, I'd honestly like
 to know.  :-) >>

All done! :o)

Bruce Heard
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:27:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)

> Hi Mischa!
> Thanks for the comments! :)

No problem!  Just delurking for the holidays, I guess.  Recent list
activity has been nice though...maybe I'll try another HWR next semester.

> > I think you're trying to copy of RL too much.
> 
> Maybe. I've borrowed alot from the real world, although my idea is to
> borrow the structures from real world sources and make it different by
> adding the details.

Makes sense.  This seems to be the general idea in designing Mystara after
all.

> This is an attempt to make some underlaying stuctures in the believes of
> the Mystarans. It is ofcourse terribly generalizing and simplified.

I guess it makes for a start - now for the specific religion-by-religion,
nation-by-nation summaries?  Or is that asking way too much?

> Because the religious institutions of the Known World are considerably
> weaker than the Church was in Europe during the middle ages, millions of
> sects with unique practices have developed. This is only my attempt to
> look at the Big Picture(tm).

Plus in Mystara the effects of religion are obvious to any, so there will
be less agnosticism/doubt/reliance on faith alone.  A direct correlation
is far from existant.

> They should be different. IMO, the Eternal Truth is an adaption of the
> Thyatian faith, but made so to fit the culture of the Ylari. My reason for
> doing this is to explain the fact that all these groups contain similar
> elements such as similar creation myths, concepts of sins, heaven and
> hell. Yet, through the years the groups become different from one another.

I think the underlying characteristics, while vital, aren't enough ground
for generalizing comments.

> At least the muslims believe that all the three follow the same God. And
> the Old testament is an important part of all three religions. Ofcourse,
> the three are separate religions, but do have the same foundation, right?
> But you are right ofcourse that practice is vastly different, as it should
> also be on Mystara.

Not just practice, but foundation...some is the same but Christians also
have the New Testament and Muslims the Koran (and please correct my
theology, if it's off.  One ethnicity class is the sum of my religious
teachings at Pitt.)

> BTW, which of these groups do you belong to? (Just curious :)

I'm Jewish and I believe in all the Old Testament, Talmud and rabbinical
commentary.  OTOH, I am not orthodox...I am not very observant and I guess
I fulfil King's words that you can deny G-d with your life even as you
affirm His existence with your lips.  One day hopefully I can develop the
self-control to be totally observant (and the self-control to never get
angry, never hate anyone, stay in good shape, write on a more regular
basis, listen to conservatives insult liberals without losing my calm,
etc., etc.) - in other words a pipe dream.  I guess I can get better with
time but don't know how much progress I've made my first 21 years so worry
how much I'll make from now on.

> Yep.
> I sortof left the nonhumans out of this.

But they're so cool!

I guess my humanoid bias benefits from my being a HW fan where they are
more common.  Still, they're rather neglected in fantasy - these are
DIFFERENT CULTURES.  Feel free to make up new beliefs rather than make
them humans with pointy ears, sharp teeth, bloodlust and bad breath.
Hopefully my HWRs for the Malpheggi and Krugel did a good job of making
them different.

> World, I actually meant Eastern Brun.

Ah.  Small small sample :)

> > Religions of Mystara...it could fit a whole book!
> 
> I agree.  Let me write the first chapter! ;)

Hey, why not?  It'd be a nice list project if you want to do this..and it
would be very nice to see done.  It's a heckuva lot of time for you and
anyone else who gets really involved though.

> Seriously though, I've always felt that this issue has been left out of
> Mystara. In fact, this is also (sadly) true for most TSR settings.

And most fantasy settings period. Then again, only scant treatment of
general issues can be given usually. You have several thousand pages on
Mystara...but you need to explain the mechanics of the world and game, the
key personalities, the races, the professions, the geology, the history,
the religion, the interaction between nations, each major culture...and
well, you wind up with a little on everything and few topics that get alot
of coverage.  That's what us MML people are here for :)

> Probably mainly of political reasons.

You think people mind that much?  I think most religious folks can
(hopefully) distinguish fantasy from reality.  I have my RW beliefs but in
a fantasy setting, well, I recognize it has its own rules, and that's part
of the joy of it.

> about the benefits and restrictions of Clerics abilities(Game Mechanics),
> while religion should have huge impact on the lives of the average
> Mystarans.

The GAZes and HWRs sometimes go indepth here, but never as much as I'd
like.  Well, Haavard, want to take up the project, with all the time and
work involved?  I'm sure others would like to help.  I know we have some
history and anthro fans here...do we have theology fans too?


- - Mischa

A strange way to run a country...use things up, people and places, and
throw them away - William Serrin, "Homestead:The Glory and Tragedy of an
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:11:36 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)

Well met!  'Tis that time once again to make an attempt to impart some little
tidbit of lore for ye, the readers of this wonderful MMB.  I know after the
severe burns I sustained upon spending too much time under the glorious sun
the first day I reached the surface,  most of my time was spent researching
magic to allow me to enjoy what my ancestors have missed these last millenia.

Wynter's Protection from Sunlight
Level: 3
Range: Touch
Duration: 1 Day (24 hours)
Effect: Protects 1 creature from the harmful effects of sunlight.
  Magic-users casting Protection from Sunlight prevent all harmful and
beneficial effects from the sun's radiance from affecting the creature
touched.  Sunlight-sensitive creatures (such as goblins) suffer no 'to hit'
penalties while protected, but neither do they recieve the warmth and
radiation of the sun (such as the kind plant and plant creatures need).  The
reflected heat keeps protected from freezing in the day, but the character
still feels the chill of not recieving direct light and constantly appears
shadowed in natural light (but not artificial light).

Wynter's Damage Cloak
Level: 4
Range: 0
Duration: 1 round / level
Effect: Creates an aura that absorbs physical damage.
  This magic-user spell covers the caster with a shimmering aura that prevents
the caster from taking damage from physical attacks.  The caster is protected
from 7d6 points of damage, so long as it is physical.  Thus, the spell will
prevent damage from swords, claws and spells that physically damage the
protected creature, but will not stop the damage of an Energy Drain spell, or
the attacks of Spectres and similar creatures that feed on lifeforce.

Winter's Minor Spell Immunity
Level: 4
Range: 0
Duration: 1 round / level
Effect: Protects the caster from spells.
  This spell creates a 1 inch thick green shell that protects the magic-user
from the effects of low level spells, whether beneficial or harmful in nuture.
The caster is immune to the effects of all 1st and 2nd level spells and
reduces by half (round in favor of the character) the effects of 3rd level
spells, both magical and clerical.  The caster's own spells are unaffected by
the shell.

Well, there ye have it, more of the lore that has helped me survive these last
6 centuries on the surface of this glorious place.  Mayhap my next bit of lore
will be my sword, La'imil, or as is more commonly called by humans, "Night's
Promise".  Tis the best of my creations yet, and required many unique spells
to create.  Or, mayhap there's something that ye all would like to know?

Arminath Wynter - "Sorry, I'm not in the habit of taking apprentices.  Oh,
ye're the mage Bargle the Infamous?  Sorry boy, never heard of ye." (The first
of many encounters with Bargle in the Black Eagle Barony.)
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:21:50 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, [iso-8859-1] Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:

> Yep. Thankyou very much Bruce! I'll let you get back to your christmas
> preparations now. BTW, thanks for giving us the Gazetteer line!

I'd definitely like to thank Brucefor the Gaz line too. They are really
what kept me into D&D beyond anything else. Too bad that most of the ones
I need are now so long out of print.. I wonder if anyone has the original
printing masters.

Ethan - Who just got Atruaghin, NR,and Rockhome. Now where to find Glantri
and Alfheim,Darokin and Minrothad... Yeesh..


- --
Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:59:36 +0100
From: Ezio Pignatelli <pignatelli@pd.astro.it>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - [Fwd: New OD&D Skill]

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Well.. just to tell you that all these OD&D spells are GREAT. :) 

Now, would you be so kind to post also some info about your Winter
Character? I am very interested about the chap that came out with these
spells. :) Oh, if you didn't already... I was out of town for one month,
and had to read all the digest in a rush... may be I skipped it. 

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mystara-digest      Tuesday, December 22 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 758



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All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - [Fwd: New OD&D Skill]
Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie
[MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)
Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
[MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran
Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:17:39 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [Fwd: New OD&D Skill]

Aye, so ye would like to know more of me, eh?  Well, fear not, ye haven't miss
a thing yet.  I've just recently stumbled across this little wonder and so
long as my little tidbits of Lore interests all of ye, I'll reveal more of
myself.  Suffice to say, my kind isn't readily accepted in many places after
the Invasion of Alfheim, but those stuffed tree huggers had it coming.  I
don't agree with everything that happened, mind ye, but for the Elves of the
World Above to try to keep us confined in Darkness was just as wrong.

Arminath Wynter
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:00:01 PST
From: "Jerry Hovenanian" <clumsydwarf@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystara: the Movie

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:36:33 +0100 DM <mdalmonte@provincia.ra.it> 
wrote...
>anyone cares to line up RW actors for some of the political figures >in 
Mystara?  :o)>>

Na...here are my choices for RW actors who shouldn't be in the film...

 Thyatis
Thincol Torion: Dom DeLuise

  Karameikos
Stefan Karameikos: David Schwimmer
Olivia Karameikos: Eric Idol (In drag)
Bargle the Infamous: Pauly Shore 
Ludwig von Hendriks: Rodney Dangerfield
Claransa the Seer: Lisa Kudrow 
Teldon: Johnny Depp

  Glantri
Etienne d'Ambreville: Paul Hogan 
Carnelia de Belcadiz: Ru Paul      
Jaggar von Drachenfels: Andrew McCarthy
Kol XIV: Puppet....Gilbert Gottfried does the voice
Malachie du Marais: George Wendt 
Jargar von Drachenfels: David Hasselhoff

For all the Republicans out there..... 
Dolores Hillsbury/Synn: Hillary Clinton
and for the Democrats....
Brannart McGregor: Bob Dole

  Alphatia
Eriadna: Roseanne Barr
Tylion VI/Terari: George Carlin  
Haldemar of Haaken: Don Knotts 
Zandor: Matthew Perry 
Broderick: Howard Stern

 Rockhome
Everast XV: Michael J. Fox

  Heldann
Wulf von Klagendorf: Chris Elliot

 Shadow Elves & Elves 
Telemon: Marilyn Manson 
 
 Others
Thar: Dana Carvey 
Moglai Khan: Jackie Chan
The Master of Hule: Adam Sandler 
Chandra ul-Nervi: Cheech Marin
Mohammed al-Kalim: Jeff Goldblum
Ragnar the Stout: Martin Short

Let me know what you think.

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<<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<<
"Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to 
so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a 
swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation.
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 03:17:50 PST
From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" <gallidox@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

EIRMONT 6, AC 1015: Traldar Learn of Deception.
   Location: Southern Azcan Empire, Azca.  HW

   Description: The Traldar learn from a captured Azcan priest that they 
never took their artifact, and that they never understood why the 
Traldar were attacking them.  The Traldar then realize that they were 
tricked by the deceiving Shattenalfen into attacking their enemies for 
them.  They vow to fight the elves until they retrieve their artifact.  
(See Va. 17, Am. 9; Ei. 12, Ka. 8.)


EIRMONT 12, AC 1015: Traldar Turn on Schattenalfen.
   Location: Northern and eastern Schattenalfen lands, Schattenalfheim.  
HW

   Description: Many Traldar bands attack the Schattenalfen from their 
positions in southern Azca or from their homeland.  Their attacks are 
fierce, as they are furious about the elves' treachery.  While they will 
do not get a crushing victory against the unprepared Schattenalfen, they 
still manage to cripple them rather badly.  (See Am. 9, Ei. 6; Ka. 8.)

   What This Means: Most of the Schattenalfen forces are in the outer 
world fighting the Shadow Elves.  The remaining Schattenalfen are set in 
defense though, and it is hard to defeat their fortified troops.  This 
turn of event is not good for them, though.


EIRMONT 14, AC 1015: Neathar Raid on Atacoatli.
   Location: Atacoatli, Azca.  HW

   Description: A force of Neathar attack the city of Atacoatli, while 
many Azcan troops are away having little success in their own lands, 
therefore avoiding the bulk of the Azcan regular might.  They disperse 
when the Azcan troops return from their lame campaign.  (See Sv. 19, Sv. 
26; Ka. 1, Ka. 28.)

   What This Means: Not only do the Azcans have no success in their 
campaign against the Neathar tribes, but the Neathar even retaliate, 
inspired by Diulanna.  The Azcans go from military disaster to disaster, 
and the warlike people now wonders if they have finally reached the 
bottom.  The priesthood of Atzanteotl is more and more pointed as the 
source of the problems, and many voice their opinion despite the risks 
of sacrifice.


EIRMONT 14, AC 1015: Negotiations Begin.
   Location: Haldemar, Alphatian Neatharum.  HW
   Description: Commander Ezreilla has Chief Zorok brought before her.  
She announces to him that Empress Eriadna has authorized her to initiate 
negotiations to end hostilities between the Alphatian and Neathar 
peoples.  Zorok states that he will listen to the Alphatians' proposals, 
but will not commit to talks until the Neathar prisoners are released.  
Ezreilla compromises and offers to release half of the prisoners for 
now.  Zorok agrees and the negotiations begin.
   Ezreilla and Zorok spend the day in intense negotiation.  By day's 
end, they have made little progress beyond establishing each other's 
position on matters.  With that in mind, they recess for the day.  
Negotiations will begin again tomorrow.  (See Sv. 21, Sv. 26; Ei. 15.)

   What This Means: Zorok is well aware that a war between the 
Alphatians and Neathar would be disastrous for his people.  With 
negotiations, he can at least get the best deal for his people.  The 
first day of negotiations involves the two sides establishing their 
position and probing the other for possible angles.  Zorok wants 
assurances that the Alphatians will uphold any peace agreement.  
Ezreilla counters that there are not any material assurances, just 
mutual trust.


EIRMONT 15, AC 1015: An Unexpected Resolution.
   Location: Haldemar, Alphatian Neatharum.  HW

   Description: Once again, Zorok and Ezreilla begin their talks on a 
peace between the Neathar and Alphatians.  The negotiations proceed at a 
similar pace as the previous day and little progress is made.
   The negotiations are interrupted by outside disturbances.  A servant 
comes in and informs Ezreilla that visitors have arrived and wish an 
audience with the Alphatian leader here.  The servant adds that the 
visitors are elves.  With the midday meal upon them, Ezreilla suggests 
that the negotiations recess early and asks Zorok to dine with her while 
she meets with these visitors.
   The visitors enter and are offered food and drink.  They politely 
decline the offer.  The elves pronounce that they come from a bordering 
land.  They speak of the recent visit by the clerics pursuing the man 
that had slain several of their people.  They relate how the clerics and 
their companions drove the man away from their lands.
   The elves declare that they had wanted to see these people who had 
spawned those that had aided them.  So the elves organized a party to 
travel, here to Neatharum, and witness for themselves the Alphatian 
people.  The elves add that the Immortals, Alphatia and Koryis, have 
always acted as their benefactors.  They express their hopes that the 
elves and the Alphatian people can have a similar relationship.
   The elves then offer their thanks for being allowed to speak.  
Commander Ezreilla offers the elves the opportunity to travel to the 
Floating Continent, telling them that Neatharum pales in comparison to 
Alphatia itself.  The elves thank her for the offer and accept it.  
Ezreilla summons an aide to make the preparations for the transit and to 
inform the Imperial Court of the impending arrival.
   Ezreilla and Zorok finish their meal and return to the negotiations.  
Surprisingly, his demeanor is changed and an agreement is quickly 
resolved.  Under the agreement, the Neathar recognize Neatharum as a 
kingdom and the Alphatians and Neatharum recognize the Neathar Lands as 
sovereign kingdoms.  An agreement of non-aggression is established 
preventing Neatharum expansion; likewise, Neathar expansions into 
Neatharum are prevented.  Both peoples will be given free passage back 
and forth between Neatharum and Neathar Lands without fear.  Visitors 
will respect and be held in accordance of the laws of that land.
   Satisfied, both negotiators shake hands and exchange gifts to seal 
the agreement.  They do agree to meet later to discuss possible trade 
and defense talks.  Ezreilla orders the release of all prisoners, then 
conveys the news of the agreement to the Empress.  Later, she has the 
agreement announced to the people of Haldemar.  (See Sv. 26, Ei. 14; Ei. 
18, Ka. 24.)
        
   What This Means: The negotiations are deadlocked until the elves 
visit.  Zorok recognizes that the elves are those known as the Gentle 
Folk.  Familiar with the awe in which the Neathar hold for these elves, 
he is impressed that they had not only been aided by Alphatians, but 
also had sought out the Alphatians.  In his opinion, if the elves trust 
the Alphatians then so can he.
   Besides, the agreement is not too much different than the earlier one 
between the Alphatians and Neathar.  Dogrel had broken that agreement, 
but with him removed, the chances are less likely for future troubles.  
The appearance of the Gentle Folk acts as a sign that the Alphatians can 
be trusted.
   For their part, the Gentle Folk are eager to see the lands and people 
that produced their patrons, Alphatia and Koryis.  This anxiousness has 
intensified as the elves pondered the matter, drawing symbolic 
conclusions of Immortal patronage and extending that to mortal 
patronage.


EIRMONT 18, AC 1015: Gentle Folk Arrive in Alphatia.
   Location: Andaire, Jafilia, Alphatia.  HW

   Description: A skyship from Haldemar lands at a berth at the Imperial 
Palace.  From it emerge the elven delegation.  A representative of the 
Empress and clerics of Alphatia, Koryis, and Razud meet them.  Also 
present is a representative of the Shiye-Lawr Elves.
   The Gentle Folk are greeted by the representatives and shown to guest 
quarters where they will stay.  The elves request to be shown the land 
of Alphatia.  The Imperial representative offers them the freedom to 
tour Alphatia; later, the Empress will speak with them. The clerics 
offer to act as their guides.  (See Am. 12, Ei. 15; Ka. 14.)

   What This Means: The party of Gentle Folk have arrived at the 
Floating Continent.  Their visit is placed in the hands of the clergy of 
Alphatia and Koryis.  The clerics of Razud are present out of curiosity 
and to offer a presence of their Immortal, while the Shiye 
representative is present to evaluate these Hollow World Elves.
   The Gentle Folk want to tour Alphatia, not exchange pleasantries with 
the ruling elite.  As elves, they are considered visiting nobles and 
deserving respect.  Their request to see Alphatia is granted on the 
condition that they are escorted by Alphatians.

   What The PCs Can Do: Any PCs involved with the tracking of Zandor 
into Gentle Folk Lands may be present at the behest of the Empress and 
clergy; this presence should provide the Gentle Folk with familiar 
faces.  These PCs will also be of invaluable service to the folk meeting 
them: prior to their touch down, the officials will be interested in any 
information or observations the PCs may have had while in the lands of 
the Gentle Folk.




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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:42:54 -0600
From: Tim <galwylin@airnet.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Church of Darokin  (Long)

Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote:
> 
> This is an attempt to make some underlaying stuctures in the believes of
> the Mystarans. It is ofcourse terribly generalizing and simplified.
> Because the religious institutions of the Known World are considerably
> weaker than the Church was in Europe during the middle ages, millions of
> sects with unique practices have developed. This is only my attempt to
> look at the Big Picture(tm).

I liked your idea that most of the churchs of the mainland Known World
had their roots in Thyatian belief.  The Known World is a small region
and Thyatis has been a large force in it (Karameikos, Darokin, Ylaruam,
etc.) that it makes sense that other nations would adapt Thyatian belief
(especially those conquered or controlled at some point).  Vastly
different religions wouldn't make sense in such a small area.  Just
looking at those nations touched by Christain Europe or Muslim Arabia
shows that religious influences last longer than almost anything else. 
America isn't a Christian nation because we formed it ourselves but
because of who conquered it.

> Alphatia and the Thyatian colonies are totally different.
> IMO. Alphatians probably have their own mythology, but mainly care about
> Immortals for the power they provide.

Alphatian myths and concepts were brought from another world and might
not fit exactly with a then unknown world.  Perhaps that's why magic as
opposed to religion has played a bigger part for them.  Not that they
crave power from the Immortals but felt they didn't understand the
workings of this world.  Over time, that feeling has remained to a large
extent.

- -- 
Timothy R. Haney <galwylin@airnet.net>

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:48:18 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

At 17.08 20/12/98 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
<snip>

>Staff meetings? Not a single one, until we got to Red Steel when some inhouse
>staff became more directly involved with Mystara! Til then, the best we got
>was a three way conversation with another designer and her editor during
>GenCon, and some unplanned chat during a Mystara seminar with six or seven
>prior contributors. People were asking questions, and we answered (often
>making up stuff on the spot... revisiting them later on over the phone, and
>then implementing the ones that we though were cool). Right. . . Go organize
>the development of a new world this way -- and there was no internet back
>then. Most of the communications were one on one. So, you think I had an
>impact, since I was Mystara-Central? You bet. :o) 

All of these is very interesting... and very different from what I've
imagined :-|
A couple other questions for you:
- - Did "new" writers have free access to all that was published by TSR on
the matter or not? And did you tell new writers to read this Gaz or that
module before starting writing?
- - Were the Gaz developed one after the others or did you start working on
GAZ x before GAZ x-1 was completed? 
**************
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brizio@gdr.net
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:24:37 EST
From: Ambreville@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

In a message dated 12/21/98 3:00:57 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it
writes:

<< Did "new" writers have free access to all that was published by TSR on
 the matter or not?>>

What do you mean? Did we provide free copies to freelancers for reference?
Sure we did. Often more than your average writer felt like reading. Our mail
dept. had a particular dislike of us "creatives" because of those occasionally
monumental packages to be UPSed ASAP (or Fedexed if overseas -- yipes!) to
freelancers. Aahhh, those fond souvenirs of the Canadian customs. . .   :o) 

<< And did you tell new writers to read this Gaz or that  module before
starting writing?>>

You bet, in a lot of detail. This was usually part of their contract.

<< - Were the Gaz developed one after the others or did you start working on
 GAZ x before GAZ x-1 was completed?  >>

Starting on one project before the other was completed was a common
occurrence. Some freelance writers were full-time professionals while others
where writing on top of their regular jobs. Others had prior engagements,
leaving less-than-ideal windows of opportunity. That's all part of production
scheduling and editorial awareness! And remember, back then when a shipping
deadline was revealed on the market, there was no changing it, regardless of
editorial or production difficulties. And woe be the writer who had to rewrite
part of a submission (let alone one rejected outright). 

We also had those who disappeared in mid-project without leaving an address,
the one sending a note on D-Day saying he broke both arms (he must have dialed
our number with his nose, a very, very loooong nose), another who claimed his
mail box had been stolen and therefore could not mail the submission (he
couldn't get a ride to the post office, sure). You think of it, surely it
happened! :o)

Scheduling was much harder in other lines that had a greater volume. The
problem often happened with an accessory followed with a trilogy of related
adventures. These are always a production headache.

Bruce Heard
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:05:30 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

> <<Don't bother answering this before X-mas, if you're in the midst of holiday
> shopping, Bruce ... but some time, when you get a minute, I'd honestly like
> to know.  :-) >>
>
>All done! :o)
>
>Bruce Heard


Thanks, Bruce!  Now I won't have to wonder about this, all through my whole
(all of 4 days, sigh...) holiday break. :-)

Sharon/Rotipher


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:31:54 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)

>Wynter's Protection from Sunlight
>Level: 3
>Range: Touch
>Duration: 1 Day (24 hours)
>Effect: Protects 1 creature from the harmful effects of sunlight.
>  Magic-users casting Protection from Sunlight prevent all harmful and
>beneficial effects from the sun's radiance from affecting the creature
>touched.  Sunlight-sensitive creatures (such as goblins) suffer no 'to hit'
>penalties while protected,

<snip>

>Wynter's Damage Cloak
>Level: 4
>Range: 0
>Duration: 1 round / level
>Effect: Creates an aura that absorbs physical damage.
>  This magic-user spell covers the caster with a shimmering aura that prevents
>the caster from taking damage from physical attacks.  The caster is protected
>from 7d6 points of damage, so long as it is physical.

<snip>

>Winter's Minor Spell Immunity
>Level: 4
>Range: 0
>Duration: 1 round / level
>Effect: Protects the caster from spells.
>  This spell creates a 1 inch thick green shell that protects the magic-user
>from the effects of low level spells, whether beneficial or harmful in nuture.

There seems to be a discrepancy in the power of these spells, as to how
much protection and/or benefit they afford.  The first spell is going to
provide, at most, a compensation for what's really a VERY small "to hit"
and/or morale penalty, which certain cave-adapted races suffer in daylight
(plus it might save a Schattenalf from a few hp of damage).  The second and
third spells, by comparison, can potentially protect someone from a large
number of attacks/spells, yet are only one level higher.  Its merely having
a longer duration, and a range of "Touch", doesn't seem like enough of a
reason to make the anti-sunlight spell nearly as difficult to cast as the
combat-protection ones.

Perhaps a good precedent for how difficult the "Protection From Sunlight"
spell ought to be, is the Minrothadders' (2nd level) "Nightwatch".  That
spell does essentially the same thing for its recipients -- namely, it lets
them function normally under lighting conditions they're not adapted to,
and under which they would otherwise suffer some penalties to hit -- and it
has a duration from sundown to sunup ... which (switched vice-versa, so it
runs from dawn to dusk) is all the time the shadow elf's spell would
actually have to last, at least on the outer world.


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:38:57 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

>   For their part, the Gentle Folk are eager to see the lands and people
>that produced their patrons, Alphatia and Koryis.


The Gentle Folk are "eager" to do something...?  Wow, the Spell of
Preservation really HAS taken a beating!  :-D


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:11:06 EST
From: Alex295@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

In a message dated 12/21/98 6:39:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes:

<< >   For their part, the Gentle Folk are eager to see the lands and people
 >that produced their patrons, Alphatia and Koryis.
 
 
 The Gentle Folk are "eager" to do something...?  Wow, the Spell of
 Preservation really HAS taken a beating!  :-D >>

mainly just a means to get some of the lesser used HW nations a mention or
two. fear not that too much change is in the works for HW. take comfort in
this proverb:

"the more things change, the more things stay the same."

then again ... nah the masses would never allow it.  :-)
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:34:57 -0800
From: Andrew Theisen <jsmill@wans.net>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran

"The Chosen" by Shu-rak, planar spider theologian, and High Pontiff of the
Mother Progenitor (spoken on the Isle of Night, 1015 AC)

	"In the beginning, there was the First Sac, from whence sprung our
creator, the Mother Progenitor, and her brethren. From them was woven the
fabric of the planes as we know them, whole and interconnected. For
countless millenia it was thus, until our Mother deemed the time right to
reproduce, and share her creation with her offspring. 
	"She chose as her mate the Silent One, but was seduced instead by the
Great Deluder, in false form. When their mating was complete, the Deluder
revealed his true colors, and fled the death ritual which is our custom.
>From then on, his existence has forever been our Mother's cause of shame.
	"The Second Sac was woven, and the Mother Progenitor's eggs deposited
therein. From thence sprang we, the Travelers, gifted with our Mother's
ability to fold between scales. With this talent, we soon established a
mighty empire, spanning the Ethereal strata. 
	"Alas, contacts with other cultures diluted our race. Material minded
Travelers abandoned the Great Mother's ways, seeking the simpler comforts
of lesser species. Worse, some even forsook our Mother for the worship of
false prophets pretending to cosmic importance. Others still took to
embracing the Phanatons, those creatures created to be our Servitors among
the scales.
	"Outraged by these betrayals, our Mother led her most loyal followers
here, to Atlach, a world far removed from the scales traveled by our
treacherous brethren. In a distant land of dense forests we settled,
abandoning the decadent practices of the other Travelers, and dedicated
solely to worship of the Mother Progenitor.
	"To strengthen our numbers, the Mother Progenitor oversaw a grand
experiment. Controlled matings with the indigenous arachnid species
resulted in the birth of a new class of citizen- the Aranea. Our new
brethren proved capable warriors and laborers, expanding and defending our
homes and overseeing the work of the Servitors. The Travelers were free to
fully tend to the Mother Progenitor and address the spiritual needs of the
flock.  Our majestic city of Aran was built, and new colonies were founded.
The empire was flourishing.
	"It was then that the Great Deluder returned. Once more betraying the law
of our Mother, he began to whisper words of sedition to the Aranea. The
Deluder lied to our brethren, made them step outside their place in the
order of our race, and attempt to usurp the positions of the Travelers as
the Word of our Mother. The Rift began, pitting arachnid against arachnid,
and weakening our mighty empire.
	"With the power of the Mother Progenitor behind us, the Deluder's minions
could not long stand, and they fled. They settled in a far distant land,
where they continued to practice their sacriligeous rites for centuries.
Eventually, they were eliminated from Atlach by Man, though tales of their
evil live on to this day.
	"Mankind. The bane of our existence. Their existence is tolerated by our
Mother as a test- that we will continue to better ourselves, not to become
complacent.
	"Even as ours was a flourishing empire, Man was still a mewling, simpering
maggot, clawing his way for survival. Millenia after our arrival on Atlach,
they established their first imperial legacy- the damned Empire of Thonia-
in lands distant from our own. 
	"In their outpost of Blackmoor, later to become a kingdom of its own, they
constructed powerful, blasphemous magicks. Beyond their comprehension they
were, and nearly led to the doom of the entirety of Atlach. Seas roared,
mountains burst; only by the grace of the Mother Progenitor were we spared.
Her power shielded us from the devastations wrought by Man, but even still,
the land was marked by their folly. Our empire was shaken- split off from
the rest of the world; our lands lifted by the cataclysm, becoming the
great plateau we live upon. Contact with our colonies was lost, and we
withdrew to Aran, determined never again to commerce with Man.
	"For millenia it remained thus, as we of Aran expanded into the
surrounding plateau. Though evidence of Mankind's continuing expansion
surrounded us, never did they venture into the realms of Aran. Even the
plague unleashed by the outscalers of Alphatia, which cause the infected to
assume the forms of beasts, did not penetrate into our lands.
	"Alas, during the Satusar dynasty (founded by an Alphatian outscaler),
those Men living in the lands known as Thothia began to found settlements
in the areas around the lower valley. Those colonies nearest Aran were
destroyed, though the settlements on the opposite side of the valley were
left, lest Aran draw attention to itself. Still, our Mother formulated a
plan to halt the further expansion of Mankind.
	"The successor to the Satusar dynasty, Ramenhotep X- resmuming the line of
his ancient forebearers- was singled out by our Mother. She sent her
daughter Aketheti, first of the Aranoids, gifted with the ability to assume
human form (inspired by the outscaler plague), to contact him in the Temple
of the Dawn. Ramenhotep X was converted to our faith, and brought it, in
modified form (to conceal our existence) to his people. Though he attempted
to betray our Mother in the end, he and his successors managed to bring Her
word to the Thothians. Settlements of the plateau were ceased, and our
Mother's teachings, passed via the Aranoids, proved sufficient to control
the population growth of the Thothian Men.
	"Recently, the false prophets that Men worship drew their followers into a
global conflict. As a result of this conflict, the Mother Progenitor's
existence upon the plateau was discovered by Man, and She was banished from
Aran. Her daughter, Aketheti, was also discovered, and disappeared, leaving
the Men of Thothia once more to their own purposes. Our empire was sent
into disarray such as has not been seen since the Rift, without the
guidance of our Mother.
	"Yet despair not, for our Mother has sent word that She yet lives. Though
unable to return at this time, She has not forgotten her beloved children.
She has given orders and a plan by which we shall once more bring the Men
of Thothia under our wing. No longer shall we hide from Man, She declares,
but we shall expand our borders, and dominate them, as we have the
Servitors. Those that will not submit, shall be destroyed. Thus speaketh
the Mother Progenitor.
	"This is the dawn of a new era on Atlach, an era marked by the dominance
of arachnids!!!"


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:43:06 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)

On 12/21/98, Sharon Dornhoff wrote:

"There seems to be a discrepancy in the power of these spells, as to how
much protection and/or benefit they afford.  The first spell is going to
provide, at most, a compensation for what's really a VERY small "to hit"
and/or morale penalty, which certain cave-adapted races suffer in daylight
(plus it might save a Schattenalf from a few hp of damage).  The second and
third spells, by comparison, can potentially protect someone from a large
number of attacks/spells, yet are only one level higher.  Its merely having
a longer duration, and a range of "Touch", doesn't seem like enough of a
reason to make the anti-sunlight spell nearly as difficult to cast as the
combat-protection ones."

"Perhaps a good precedent for how difficult the "Protection From Sunlight"
spell ought to be, is the Minrothadders' (2nd level) "Nightwatch".  That
spell does essentially the same thing for its recipients -- namely, it lets
them function normally under lighting conditions they're not adapted to,
and under which they would otherwise suffer some penalties to hit -- and it
has a duration from sundown to sunup ... which (switched vice-versa, so it
runs from dawn to dusk) is all the time the shadow elf's spell would
actually have to last, at least on the outer world."

A few good points Sharon, but please note these spells are over a decade and a
half old, before most of the GAZ series was finished.  Since then spells like
Nightwatch were developed for the Mystara canon as "official" spells for those
areas.  If you look at the reasoning behind these spells, maybe they'll
make better sense.

Protection from Sunlight:  removes totally an inherant deficiency for 24
hours: the inability to withstand sunlight.  What happens when a commando
squad of Shadow Elves with this spell strike in the middle of the day?
Everyone knows they burn real easily and can't possibly stand the light of
day, right?  Also, remember that ALOT of creatures  have low level Wokani in
their tribes.  Leaders with these spells can be devestating.  Vampire mages
could function in the light of day as well.  Lots of playtesting this spell
determined that IMC it be made at least mid level so not too many low level
mage creatures could cast alot of them.  The duration was based on
Waterbreathing, because it granted a natural ability (the ability to breathe
water), for 1 day.  Also remember that it works both ways; creatures that need
sunlight can't be affected by the sunlight, so special sunlight-based
properties of these creatures are cut off as well.

Damage Cloak: OK, typo here.  The spell is supposed to prevent 7d4 points of
damage.  With a range of 7-28 points of negated physical damage, the spell
isn't over-powered for its level.  Remember a Fireball or Lightning Bolt is
only a 3rd level spell and they can inflict 7d6 (7-42) points of damage at 7th
level, and go on up to 20d6!  Also, Damage Cloak doesn't prevent purely
magical damage, such as the various Cause Wounds spells and Magic Missiles nor
does it affect poisons and poison based spells like Cloudkill.

Minor Spell Immunity: This is essentially a cut up weaker version of the 9th
level Immunity spell (RC p59) that only affects spells.  It affords no
protection from missiles or melee atttacks of normal and silvered weapons.
Also note that, while the caster's own magic is unaffected, the immunity
extends to all spells of those levels, whether beneficial or harmful (I've
actually had a character bleed to death with this spell up, as the cleric in
our party only had a Cure Light Wounds spell left by the time he go to me, and
my Minor Spell Immunity held out just long enough for him to attempt a quick
healing and watch me be unaffected and die).  Note also that Immunity can be
willed up and down by the caster and has a 1 turn per level duration and a
21st level caster (the minimum for a 9th level spell) would have the spell up
for 21 turns, or 3 hours and 30 minutes (!) whereas Minor Immunity would only
last 21 rounds, or 21 minutes.

Well, that's about all I can say for now.  IMC and others I have played in,
the spells have appeared to be balanced.  If they don't suit you the way they
are, or would be "overpowered" IYC, tinker with the levels.  Everyone runs
their own games in their own unique ways.  What's good for one game could
totally wreck another and that's what so great about it, the sharing of ideas,
right?

Arminath Wynter
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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
[MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria
Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria
Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard
Re: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran
Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)
Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore
[MYSTARA] - Happy Holidays!
[MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu
RE: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria
Re: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:46:06 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

>The Gentle Folk are "eager" to do something...?  Wow, the Spell of
>Preservation really HAS taken a beating!  :-D >>

>mainly just a means to get some of the lesser used HW nations a mention or
>two. fear not that too much change is in the works for HW. 

Really?  Whatever happened to the Burrowers???

Arminath Wynter
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:46:45 CET
From: "Herve Musseau" <herve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>

>>   For their part, the Gentle Folk are eager to see the lands and 
people
>>that produced their patrons, Alphatia and Koryis.

>The Gentle Folk are "eager" to do something...?  Wow, the Spell of
>Preservation really HAS taken a beating!  :-D

well, not THE Gentle Folk, just THOSE Gentle Folk...

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:39:35 GMT
From: "John Polacek" <drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria

I'm just curious, has there been any published material (either by TSR 
or on the 'net) on the region of Wendar and Essuria (the lands detailed 
in X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord). The reason I ask is that I'm thinking 
about expanding my campaign to this region in the future and as far as I 
know the only info on it is in X11. I have plenty of ideas about 
fleshing out this area, but I'd like to know if someone's already beaten 
me to it.

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:29:29 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= <hoc@nvg.ntnu.no>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria

John Polacek asked about information on Wendar/Essuria. 

Marco Dalmonte(DM) and Shawn STANley made a Timeline for the region a
couple of years ago. I believe that and some other material including an
excellent map of the region by Geoff Gander can be found in Shawn
STANley's site. I don't remember the adress right now, but if you visit my
mystara page at www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc/mystara.html you should be able to
find the site through the webring OR using the link section.

John, even if they "beat you to it" as you say, im sure everyone in here
(Me definately included) wants to hear about you ideas. If you're able to
incorprate them into the said Timeline, thats even better.

So, what are you waiting for? :)

Håvard

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:05:20 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 Arminath@aol.com wrote:

> Really?  Whatever happened to the Burrowers???

Exactly what we need. more Entropy-minded creatures in mystara. 


Ethan

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:05:18 +0100
From: Fabrizio Paoli <brizio@lunet.it>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Questions for Bruce Heard

At 17.24 21/12/98 EST, Ambreville@aol.com wrote:
><< Did "new" writers have free access to all that was published by TSR on
> the matter or not?>>
>
>What do you mean? Did we provide free copies to freelancers for reference?

Yes, that was more or less what I was trying to write, but didn't found the
proper english words :-(

Thanks for your answers.
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:09:25 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran

>"The Chosen" by Shu-rak, planar spider theologian, and High Pontiff of the
>Mother Progenitor (spoken on the Isle of Night, 1015 AC)
>
>	"In the beginning, there was the First Sac, from whence sprung our
>creator, the Mother Progenitor, and her brethren. From them was woven the
>fabric of the planes as we know them, whole and interconnected. For
>countless millenia it was thus, until our Mother deemed the time right to
>reproduce, and share her creation with her offspring.
>	"She chose as her mate the Silent One, but was seduced instead by the
>Great Deluder, in false form. When their mating was complete, the Deluder
>revealed his true colors, and fled the death ritual which is our custom.
>>From then on, his existence has forever been our Mother's cause of shame...


Ooooh, cool!  Night Spider theological propaganda, straight from the
arachnid's chelicerae!

Is there more of this, Andrew?  If not, I'd love to help work out
Korotiku's side of the story:  I've been wondering about Old Aran's
history, on and off, for a while now; and my guess is that there's a LOT of
things about their past -- and hers -- that Arachnae Prime doesn't want
Shu-rak or her other followers to know....  ;-)

Reply or e-mail me, okay?  Thanks!

Sharon


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:33:56 -0500
From: Sharon Dornhoff <dornhoff@bio.umass.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore (long)

>A few good points Sharon, but please note these spells are over a decade and a
>half old, before most of the GAZ series was finished.

Wow, that is old!  I hadn't realized you'd designed them so long ago, when
there weren't as many spells, to offer precedents in the game-system.

> Since then spells like
>Nightwatch were developed for the Mystara canon as "official" spells for those
>areas.  If you look at the reasoning behind these spells, maybe they'll
>make better sense.
>
>Protection from Sunlight:  removes totally an inherant deficiency for 24
>hours: the inability to withstand sunlight.  What happens when a commando
>squad of Shadow Elves with this spell strike in the middle of the day?
>Everyone knows they burn real easily and can't possibly stand the light of
>day, right?  Also, remember that ALOT of creatures  have low level Wokani in
>their tribes.  Leaders with these spells can be devestating.  Vampire mages
>could function in the light of day as well.  Lots of playtesting this spell
>determined that IMC it be made at least mid level so not too many low level
>mage creatures could cast alot of them.  The duration was based on
>Waterbreathing, because it granted a natural ability (the ability to breathe
>water), for 1 day.  Also remember that it works both ways; creatures that need
>sunlight can't be affected by the sunlight, so special sunlight-based
>properties of these creatures are cut off as well.

Okay ... I see why you made the spell 3rd level, if you were assuming
shadow elves couldn't step out the door without taking damage.  For
Schattenalfen, vampires, or Nimmurians (to name a few), a spell that
totally deflects sunlight and protects them from physical harm really WOULD
be 3rd level.

When I objected to the spell's being unnecessarily difficult, I'd been
thinking in terms of the Gaz13 shadow elves, for whom sunlight is blinding
but not damaging.  For that version of the race, a sight-altering spell
like a reversed Nightwatch (plus a little sunburn-ointment from the
shamans) would suffice for outdoor actions in daylight; there'd be no need
to bend the light around the recipient, because the light itself isn't
hurting them significantly.  If it's Gaz13 shadow elves -- or orcs or
goblins -- who are using an anti-sun spell, then the spell's only canceling
out a "to hit" and/or morale penalty.  In which case, I still don't think
it should be any higher-level than spells like Bless, which have a similar
effect in the net number of points they add to attack rolls/morale.

BTW, there's no need to give humanoid wokani access to the spell, merely
because elves (and mages also, one assumes) can cast it.  There's lots of
"standard" RC spells which are unavailable to wokani, and this spell would
be much more obscure than those.

>Damage Cloak: OK, typo here.  The spell is supposed to prevent 7d4 points of
>damage.  With a range of 7-28 points of negated physical damage, the spell
>isn't over-powered for its level.  Remember a Fireball or Lightning Bolt is
>only a 3rd level spell and they can inflict 7d6 (7-42) points of damage at 7th
>level, and go on up to 20d6!  Also, Damage Cloak doesn't prevent purely
>magical damage, such as the various Cause Wounds spells and Magic Missiles nor
>does it affect poisons and poison based spells like Cloudkill.
>
>Minor Spell Immunity: This is essentially a cut up weaker version of the 9th
>level Immunity spell (RC p59) that only affects spells.  It affords no
>protection from missiles or melee atttacks of normal and silvered weapons.
>Also note that, while the caster's own magic is unaffected, the immunity
>extends to all spells of those levels, whether beneficial or harmful (I've
>actually had a character bleed to death with this spell up, as the cleric in
>our party only had a Cure Light Wounds spell left by the time he go to me, and
>my Minor Spell Immunity held out just long enough for him to attempt a quick
>healing and watch me be unaffected and die).  Note also that Immunity can be
>willed up and down by the caster and has a 1 turn per level duration and a
>21st level caster (the minimum for a 9th level spell) would have the spell up
>for 21 turns, or 3 hours and 30 minutes (!) whereas Minor Immunity would only
>last 21 rounds, or 21 minutes.

Okay, this makes more sense.  Thanks for the clarifications on the other
two spells.  Can they be used on the same person (i.e. yourself)
simultaneously, by the way?  If so, you'd become a pretty tough-to-kill
character, for a short time!

>Well, that's about all I can say for now.  IMC and others I have played in,
>the spells have appeared to be balanced.  If they don't suit you the way they
>are, or would be "overpowered" IYC, tinker with the levels.  Everyone runs
>their own games in their own unique ways.  What's good for one game could
>totally wreck another and that's what so great about it, the sharing of ideas,
>right?
>
>Arminath Wynter


Of course!  I wasn't trying to be nitpicky; I was just puzzled by how the
spells' respective levels didn't seem to reflect the anti-sun spell's
effects, "combat stat"-wise.  Thank you for straightening out the
discrepancy for me.  :-)

Sharon/"Rotipher"


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:11:31 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Arminath's OD&D Arcane Lore

No problem Sharon!  Input from others is always welcome!  My campaign has been
going on and off for a long time now and has seen many faces, new and old
grace the circle of our group.  

Even though the RC stipulates the spells allowed to Shaman and Wokan
humanoids, IMC we've developed rules that allow humanoid PCs (Gaz 10 PCs are
too unbalanced for use IMC) in our games.  We use the same rules for humanoid
NPCs (what's good for one side is good for another), and if a group of brave
PCs falls to a tribe of humanoids that has a Wokan, well, the Wokan may be
able to learn the spell.

As for a combination of using Damage Cloak and Minor Spell Immunity, it is
possible, but so far Arminath has only given the spells to a select few Elves
that has gotten past their racial prejudices.  Elves IMC can only advance to
15th level (17th if they have friends in POWERFUL places) and that only gives
them a compliment of 6/5/5/3/3/3 spells per day.  Usually, he only gives out
minor spells as payment for jobs (like Elemental Missiles or Starlight Blade).
Over the years, Arminath has become more of a role-playing character with a
well-known background by my players, so now when he shows up, they give him a
wide berth.  A few players conspired to do him in several times (surface elf
characters) and they were some of the best role-played games I've ever seen.
Nothing is stranger than a bunch of basically good characters that are
ignorant of each other's ways act on those feelings of mistrust and make (big)
mistakes in their lives.  Some of the player's characters (but not the
players) still harbor those hatreds over the "dirt elf" that got away.

But, enough of that, I'm beginning to ramble like my character ;-)

JB/Arminath Wynter - "So, ye've brought me the eggs I wanted, eh?  Then,
what's that lizard in the back of ye're wagon for?"
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:23:03 -0500 (EST)
From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Happy Holidays!

Just a quick note to everyone to have a good time during the holidays, and
a Happy New Year! :-)

Be seeing you,

Geoff
 

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:47:01 -0800
From: Andrew Theisen <jsmill@wans.net>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu

At 02:03 AM 12/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Another thing. One more spaceship crashes on Mystara. We've established
>that the Federation won't be looking for the Beagle. Whatabout the
>Neh-Thalggu, do they have friends?

If you ate people's brains, would you have any friends? :)

Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:37:24 +0100
From: Kristian Kramer <Kristian.Kramer@comsys.nl>
Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria

Wendar/Essuria information.

Well, John, I didn't do anything on that score yet, but I'm curious about
your ideas. So don't be shy and post them (or put them on your website, if
you have one). I certainly want to know. Maybe someone 'did' something with
Wendar/Essuria, but I'm probably not the only one who wants to know more
about your ideas.

Kristian Kramer
http://www.xanthus.demon.nl

"Those who live by the sword, will be shot by those who don't..."

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Polacek [SMTP:drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:40 PM
> To:	mystara-l@MPGN.COM
> Subject:	[MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria
> 
> I'm just curious, has there been any published material (either by TSR 
> or on the 'net) on the region of Wendar and Essuria (the lands detailed 
> in X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord). The reason I ask is that I'm thinking 
> about expanding my campaign to this region in the future and as far as I 
> know the only info on it is in X11. I have plenty of ideas about 
> fleshing out this area, but I'd like to know if someone's already beaten 
> me to it.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:51:39 -0500
From: Daly <jdaly@friend.ly.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran

> Ooooh, cool!  Night Spider theological propaganda, straight from the
> arachnid's chelicerae!

Sharon...please don't take this amiss...but you are a sick puppy!

Spiders...ew!  Ick!

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mystara-digest      Thursday, December 24 1998      Volume 1997 : Number 760



Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc.
All Rights Reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT
[MYSTARA] - Tarastia
[MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas!
Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia
Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas!
[MYSTARA] - A Christmas Carol
Re: [MYSTARA] - A Christmas Carol
Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia
[MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas
Re: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu
Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:14:17 +0200
From: "Aleksei Andrievski" <solmyr@kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - HW 1015 almanac supplement: EIRMONT

SteelAngel wrote:
>Exactly what we need. more Entropy-minded creatures in mystara. 
>
No doubt certain people among my Mystaran Birthright players agree with your statement, in light of recent events :)

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aka Azure Star Dragon
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:25:14 GMT
From: "John Polacek" <drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia

Hey everybody,

   One of the players in my campaign is interested in worshipping an 
immortal of justice/revenge, and reading around the various Mystara 
web-sites, I discovered such an immortal in Tarastia. I've been able to 
determine that she is worshipped among the Hollow World Traldar and was 
worshipped on the surface circa 1000 BC. My campaign takes place on the 
surface in the time of the gazeteers (1000AC), but I'm interested in 
finding out more about her and her history anyway. Unfortunately, I 
don't have the Hollow World set, so I could really use some help with 
some questions I have. 

1. How did Tarastia become an immortal?

2. What was her motivation to become a patron of justice?

3. What immortals are her enemies and why?

4. What are the Tersian Twelve?

If someone could either e-mail the answers to these questions directly 
to me, or post them on the list, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:32:26 EST
From: Arminath@aol.com
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas!

Greetings to all of ye!  Even though Mystarans don't celebrate your Christmas,
here in Shimmergloom we celebrate Ia'ath Il'Ila, or the 'Day of Gift Giving'.
Since my player hath informed me that your Christmas has significant religious
ties in most cases, so our holiday is tied to the founding of this realm by
the Gnome Shaman Garnak Flintfoot.  May peace and joy be with ye all this
holiday eve!

Arminath Wynter
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:42:49 -0600
From: "Jeff & Laurie" <fror@gte.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia

Hi John,

	My name is jeff fox.  the info you are looking for is also in Wrath bk 1
p. 36-37

> 1. How did Tarastia become an immortal?All I know is that she is sphere
of energy so she was likely a dynast.  Sponsored by Ixion.
> 
> 2. What was her motivation to become a patron of justice?Revenge on an
unjustchieftain of her tribe and self-imposed exile.
> 
> 3. What immortals are her enemies and why? none specific although she
doesn't get along well with pacifists and hates any seeking senseless
revenge.
> 
> 4. What are the Tersian Twelve? ???

	Hope this helps

	Jeff and Laurie Fox
BransCon III Coordinators
GAM President and Vice-president
Great Plains RPGA Regional Directors
All-around fun people
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:45:45 -0600
From: "Jeff & Laurie" <fror@gte.net>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas!

Thank Ye kindly good sir

	I appreciate your holiday gesture on this the la'ath ll'lla.
 
	Have a happy holiday

	Jeff and Laurie Fox
BransCon III Coordinators
GAM President and Vice-president
Great Plains RPGA Regional Directors
All-around fun people
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:35:58 -0500
From: Glen Sprigg <borealis@cois.on.ca>
Subject: [MYSTARA] - A Christmas Carol

To be sung to the tune of 'The First Noel.'

The worst Noel,
For one such as myself,
Comes from searching for Furbys
On empty store shelves.

And despite all the gifts
Sitting under the tree,
The kids will be screaming
That "Santa hates me!"

Oh hell, oh hell, oh hell, oh hell!
"Shopping for Christmas is rotten!" I yell.

The stress builds up,
My neck cords get thick.
And the price of new software
Is making me sick.

My credit cards are maxed,
my back's getting sore,
The parking lot's jammed;
I can't take this no more!

Oh hell, oh hell, oh hell, oh hell!
"Shopping for Christmas is murder!" I yell.

*******************

To those who might care, a Christmas Carol of my own creation (not a
satirical one) will be performed for the first time at the Christmas Eve
mass at my church.  I'm excited about this, as I'll be playing it live in
front of a pretty big congregation.

And to everyone, I would just like to add the following:

Forget about 'Season's Greetings;' Merry Christmas, everyone, and God bless!

Glen


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:45:13 -0500 (EST)
From: SteelAngel <eand@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A Christmas Carol

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Glen Sprigg wrote:

> Forget about 'Season's Greetings;' Merry Christmas, everyone, and God bless!

Hopefully the big guy will bless me with a few Gaz's under the tree :) (I
got Darokin bay-bee!! 4 more!!!)


Ethan - Avid collector

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:55:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Mischa E Gelman <megst19+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia

>    One of the players in my campaign is interested in worshipping an 
> immortal of justice/revenge, and reading around the various Mystara 
> web-sites, I discovered such an immortal in Tarastia.

Yep.

> 1. How did Tarastia become an immortal?

She was an OW Jennite clerics ages ago.  "Offended and abused by the
unjust chieftan of her tribe, she effcted her own revenge and ran away
into exile."  No specifics are given - just that she got powerful and wise
and became an Immortal of Energy.

> 2. What was her motivation to become a patron of justice?

I think the scene with the chieftan, which isn't explained in-depth,
covers it.  Use your imagination to expand if you want - you're the DM.

Worship of her is not dead on the OW BTW - Thyatis has her as one of its
pantheon and other nations might.  She would seem a natural sponsor of the
Esterhold Jen.

> 3. What immortals are her enemies and why?

Jammaradu, the Entropy champion of vengeance.  She is annoyed by his
"senseless, unjust" approach and is one of his many enemies.  I'd imagine
Entropic forces in general or other patrons of injustice would be
considered enemies as well.

> 4. What are the Tersian Twelve?

No clue. Sounds sort of like the Tarastian followers I created and posted
to the list, but that's nothing official.  And that's HW Milenia, not
Outer World stuff either.

Best of luck with the campaign, 
 Mischa

(old TSR stuff isn't too hard to find on the 'net BTW)

G-d put us here to ask, to try to find out the best way possible to live
with our neighbors.  Of course, you can go through a life not asking, and
that's the tragedy:so many lives lived in moral blindness - Dorothy Day

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:01:16 +0100
From: Lostboy@t-online.de (Klaus Kischkat)
Subject: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:57:56 EST
From: Kaviyd@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu

In a message dated 1998-12-23 01:57:22 Eastern Standard Time, jsmill@wans.net
writes:

> If you ate people's brains, would you have any friends? :)

Among the people whose brains you eat -- no.
Among your fellow brain eaters -- probably yes.
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:30:03 EST
From: Nurvel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas

merry christmas to you
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