mystara-digest Friday, December 25 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 761 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re:[MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria Re: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran Re: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu [MYSTARA] - Character Gens Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas and Whatnot Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas and Whatnot Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood (info) Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood (info) [MYSTARA] - I just started my campaign about two years ago and........ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:35:30 -0800 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re:[MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria At 06:52 AM 12/23/98 -0500, "John Polacek" wrote: >I'm just curious, has there been any published material (either by TSR >or on the 'net) on the region of Wendar and Essuria (the lands detailed >in X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord). The reason I ask is that I'm thinking >about expanding my campaign to this region in the future and as far as I >know the only info on it is in X11. I have plenty of ideas about >fleshing out this area, but I'd like to know if someone's already beaten >me to it. Other than X11, there has been little "canon" info on the region. However, DM and Shawn Stanley did a historical writeup of the region that should be available on Stan's page, and Geoff Gander did an 8 mile per hex map of the Denagoth plateau. As for myself, I am nearly completely done with a gaz for the Kingdom of Ghyr (from XL-1) which, as I have it, has direct ties to the Kingdom of Essuria, and lay to the north of Denagoth. My vision of the region, and the timeline I've got, though, is slightly different from DM and Stan's. I should be posting bits of it soon, though. Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:58:20 -0800 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Lost Histories: Empire of Aran At 06:52 AM 12/23/98 -0500, Sharon Dornhoff wrote: >Ooooh, cool! Night Spider theological propaganda, straight from the >arachnid's chelicerae! Glad you enjoyed it! :) >Is there more of this, Andrew? If not, I'd love to help work out >Korotiku's side of the story: I've been wondering about Old Aran's >history, on and off, for a while now; and my guess is that there's a LOT of >things about their past -- and hers -- that Arachnae Prime doesn't want >Shu-rak or her other followers to know.... ;-) Doubtless- which I didn't reveal, naturally. Korotiku had to be the one portrayed as evil, coming from one of AP's followers. That's about all I've actually written, and it was primarily as sort of propaganda/backstory to try and tie in info on Aran (from M5) with all the rest of "canon" history, especially as the Aranea of the IoD will be a bit more prominent in 1016. I've been working quite a bit with IoD history, which naturally includes the arachnids of Aran, and a lot of different ideas. One thing that really prompted this was trying to figure out where the Herathians and the Aran fit together, as they didn't really seem to have any ties (beyond their arachnid nature). The idea of a religious schism always seemed the most reasonable to me (due to the Herathians Immortal worshipping proclivities). Originally, I'd had the aranea of Herath a split from AP to start with, but I later thought- why not something more than just religion, but social? Given that the spiders of the IoD were originally planar spiders, and there are still planars there, it seemed logical to me that the Aranea might have become a sort of "second" class of citizen, subservient to the planars. And that (religiously based though it may be) could likely be the cause of a schism. Of course, the aranea of Herath learned to disguise their appearance, and so have hidden from those of Aran for millenia... but woe unto the day they are discovered! I'd love to hear other thoughts on the matter, though. Like why AP actually came to Mystara in the first place! (which I still haven't fully reconciled with what is given in M5). Another bit I've toyed with is that the Planar Spiders and AP arrived when Mystara was still very young (at least, presumably before Herath, which is at c.3000 BC in Red Steel). As far as I can tell, there were relatively few Immortals at that point, but shortly after, they began popping up all over the place. Coincidence? I've toyed with the theory that Mystara was a relative backwater, until AP showed up. Korotiku turned up shortly thereafter, and discovered Ka and his Hollow World (and got interested), and so stuck around. Other Immortals noted the interest, and joined in. With more Immortals to petition to, mortals began to seek Immortality more than before, and voila! But again, it's just a theory... :) Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:05:27 -0800 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Neh-Thalggu At 02:31 PM 12/24/98 -0500, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1998-12-23 01:57:22 Eastern Standard Time, jsmill@wans.net >writes: > >> If you ate people's brains, would you have any friends? :) > >Among the people whose brains you eat -- no. >Among your fellow brain eaters -- probably yes. I just had a vision of a Brain Collector commercial- "Do you have trouble in social situations? Do we have a solution for you! The finest collection of socially adapted brains in the Known World! Order now and you can be as charming as Henri d'Ambreville! Need brushing up on your etiquette? Try the brain of Gabriela Torion! But wait! There's more- if you order right away, you too can have the military capabilities of Moglai Khan! You never need come in second in war games again!!" Oh- Merry X-Mas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year, y'all!! :) Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:01:15 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Character Gens Does anyone know where I can find a good character generator for OD&D? I keep finding AD&D ones, but I don't need 'em! JB/Arminath *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:36:06 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas At 13.01 24/12/98 +0100, Klaus Kischkat wrote: >*First strike, than ask* old dwarfish motto Not very different from the shadowelvish one :-) BTW: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and joyful Epiphany to everybody! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:34:21 -0800 From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas and Whatnot To all: A Merry Christmas from me, my husband, Ron, and my son, Nathan, to all of you on Mystara-L! And for those who don't do the "Christmas Thing", may the appropriate greetings and the best blessings of the season be with you this year. Jenni A. M. Merrifield - -=> strawberryJAMM <=- - -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/ <------------------------------------------------------------------> God created Light. Then Earth, Vegetables, Animals, Man and Woman. Then God started to think: "I should create things I *like*!" And God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:57:31 EST From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Merry Christmas and Whatnot Merry Christmas all. I hope you all have a wonderful day with your families, and that you get all the modules, dice bags, miniatures, dry marker-map sheets, computer games, etc that you asked for. I remember the Christmas my parents bought me the old Monster Manual and I spent the wintery afternoon going over it, talking about it with my brother, and basically freaking out all my relatives who had no idea what was going on. Everybody keep an eye out for a high level Elvish Magic-user/thief with his enchanted sleigh and deer. If he happens to set off your glyph of warding spells, go easy on him. He's got a busy night ahead of him. BoBoII "Hear and obey, for the Mighty Claus's word is law!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:12:15 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria I don't know? I just signed up on the list. If you are willing to swap modules let me know. i have a couple and would love to get my hands on more...especially X10......thanx *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 03:20:38 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... With a scream of agony the captives body dissolves into the warm nutrient bath surrounding the OVERMIND. The OVERMIND does not notice. The OVERMIND does not care. The OVERMIND drinks in the memories of the captive...of the scout? It was a scout? The OVERMIND sifts through the knowledge in alarm. THEY know of the OVERMIND's existance...THEY know of the OVERMIND's location...THEY are COMING!!! The OVERMIND sends forth IT's commands. The ENEMY knows too much, there is no way an adequate defence can be mounted. Even now, an assault team has been sent to destroy the HIVE. A contingency plan is in order. A MOTHER must be secured with enough BROOD to ensure the continuation of the HIVE. Defensive fortifications must be put into place and more knowledge secured in order to protect the MOTHER and the HIVE. Another captive and yet another are fed to the MIND, IT's knowledge growing with each sacrifice, IT becomes aware of another WAY, a WAY between worlds. This is the solution...the ANSWER. But the WAY is fraught with peril, it is uncertain. A chemical scream echoes through the HIVE, the ENEMY has arrived. Wielding weapons of fire and ice they attack the BROOD. THEIR armor is too much for the HIVE's defences...the BROOD are dying...soon the ENEMY will reach the birthing chambers and all will be lost. The HIVE will end...this must not be. The OVERMIND concentrates, weaving the ETHER into a complex skein. Patterns form and the fabric of reality twists with a gut wrenching jerk. An opening appears in space, a black hole into nothingness. This is the WAY, the only hope for the HIVE. The BROOD surrounding the MOTHER enter first, all communication with them severed as they pass through the portal into blackness. Then comes a LEADER to guide the BROOD. Then the MOTHER moves slowly forward. Just before she enters, one last command is sent to her...when she reaches the other side, create a MIND to guide the HIVE. The HIVE must SURVIVE!!! Sounds of gunfire echo through the warrens...explosions shake the earth as the MOTHER disappears into the VOID. The ENEMY reaches the chamber...icey rays coming from their arms and beams of light and fire from the weapons in their hands. The OVERMIND moves to block their access to the VOID GATE. They must not be allowed to follow the MOTHER. The GATE closes as flame engulfs the OVERMIND. IT's last thought being that now the HIVE will survive and flourish to someday return to IT's home... First Lieutenant Soth Turon of the Third Blackmoorian Battalion surveyed the remnants of the last hive on Mystara. It had taken years, but finally intel had tracked the "overmind" to this festering swamp. It was unfortunate that they were too late to save the scout team that had been sent ahead...Scout Simbar Kahn and the Mage Erinth Morta were two of the most capable and highly regarded of the Home Guard Defence Force and would be missed. A sergeant rushed up and with a quick salute gave his report "Sir, I think that you should see this, we've found the OVERMIND!" The sergeant led Soth to a large, bloated insectile body surrounded by tentacled filaments that once fed the warped being that they sprouted from. "It appears to still be alive sir", the sergeant said. The OVERMIND's head turned slowly, showing a disturbingly human visage to Soth, "Damn," Soth exclaimed, "it's Than Athos!!!" The OVERMIND rasped out a dry chuckle..."So Soth," it breathes, "we have met again, you have won this round, but my CHILDREN shall return to take this World from you someday!" "Secure him," ordered the visibly disturbed Lieutenant. "Perhaps, Than Athos, the genetic engineers can repair the damage that you have done to yourself." "Damage? HA, you have no idea of the perfection that I have achieved. I have created a NEW MASTER RACE. The next stage in evolution. My new CHILDREN are perfect, with none of my former races weaknesses. They shall perservere while you and your antiquated gene pool are extinguished!" Than replied. With that, the bloated THING once known as the greatest genetics engineer on Mystara was placed into stasis to be transferred to the high security research facilities outside the city of Blackmoor. 2 months later, an explosion rips through Blackmoor City as the Rain of Fire begins. The partially regrown Than Athos, his body and mind still in ruin by the experimental reconstruction techniques used by the scientists in charge of his "re-birth", is caught in the shockwave. The techno/arcane energy produces a metamorphosis in what is left of him. Rising from the ashes of Blackmoor City and the Rain of Fire comes a NEW BEING, no longer Than Athos, HE has become the IMMORTAL THANATOS, bringer of DEATH. And HIS CHILDREN shall some day return... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 03:30:14 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood (info) Just a little Christmas present to all of you on this Holiday Season, enjoy it for what it is...a story of how the HIVEBROOD came to be and the origin of Thanatos. Completely made up and without any basis in canon, it was fun writing it anyway. The idea came to me while reading some of the Cthulhu type items that some of you have been playing with lately. The Brood could serve as a similar type of "assimilating menace" in a campaign. Gives a great reason behind the Hivebrood showing up in a campaign and becoming a worldwide threat. Just think, an invasion of the Hivebrood from another dimension where they have recovered, conquered and evolved and the possibility of EVERY LIVING THING becoming "brood", not to mention that they are literally the "offspring" of Thanatos. Lots of fun things to play with here...but as I said...it's all just for fun Merry Christmas Frog *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:04:24 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... > no longer Than Athos, >HE has become the IMMORTAL THANATOS, bringer of DEATH. Wasn't Thanatos around before Blackmoor? I seem to remember the Burrowers (HW) from *much* earlier. Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:05:53 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood (info) >Lots of fun things to play with here...but as I >said...it's all just for fun Merry Christmas *VERY* interesting stuff! Merry Christmas! Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:46:51 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - I just started my campaign about two years ago and........ If there is anyone out there that would be willing to swap stuff with me let me know. They are currently going on the In Search of Adventure series, and I have a few more but not many. I am interested in Gazeteers and OD&D modules. I would appreciate the help. Thanx, Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #761 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Saturday, December 26 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 762 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - Tarastia [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood (info) Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - Introducing myself [MYSTARA] - swapping ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:00:31 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... LOL as i said Jenn...completely non canon and for enjoyment purposes only :) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:06:56 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia > 1. How did Tarastia become an immortal?All I know is that she is sphere of energy so she was likely a dynast. Sponsored by Ixion. > > 2. What was her motivation to become a patron of justice?Revenge on an unjustchieftain of her tribe and self-imposed exile. > > 3. What immortals are her enemies and why? none specific although she doesn't get along well with pacifists and hates any seeking senseless revenge. > > 4. What are the Tersian Twelve? ??? you maid a few mistakes I think.. it doesnwt say (in HW) that tarastia was sponsored by Ixion. and if she is from the sphere of energy (as stated) than she takes the path of paragon not dynast. IMC i have changed the spheres of some immortals. Tarastia is thought (and sponsored by korotiko) and Valerias is energy instead of matter. Tarastia was also the patron of the traditional jennites when they wared with the other faction of jennites who endorsed male supremacy. in my campaign she is patron of women and justice. I think the tersian twelve are the group of immortals that call themselfes "the new olympians" but I could be wrong since I dont use those at all. by the way- merry christmes to you all! Chnuka is over but I didnt realy notice since I was at the Lebanese border :( Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "and all the while as vampires feed- I bleed..." /the Pixies *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:16:54 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood (info) Wow!! that was realy great! i dont have the DA series but it seems to me that all the Blabkmoor stuff are a bit too "peachy" and lite. its about time something hurrible would crawl out of mystaran history. IMC thogh the immortals who "cant remember their mortal existence" are vary ancient godlike beings. but if you treat all immortals as being once mortal Its a great history for thanatos. keep on the good work. Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "and all the while as vampires feed- I bleed..." /the Pixies *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:30:40 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... >LOL as i said Jenn...completely non canon and for enjoyment purposes only :) ...Unfortunately, I read your intentions (the "info" post) *after* the article itself...Hooray for non-canon! Great stuff! Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:24:06 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Alternately, "Than Athos" could have been an avatar of Thanatos working to create a new race through which all life on Mystara would become corrupted and destroyed...thereby fullfilling his ultimate goal as a servant of the sphere of Entropy of the destruction of all life. Indeed, the whole "Blackmoor Incident" of the Beagle coming through a rift in space, landing on Mystara and the subsequent "Rain of Fire" cataclysm could have been engineered by the Ancient One in order to bring the genetic engineering knowledge and scientific skills necessary for the creation of his "child race" to Mystara so that he could benefit from them. One minor miscalculation in his plans resulted in a setback that forced his minions from the Mystara plane and into another dimension/world. There they proceed to infest the world and develope into new and more varied forms before they are once again found by Thanatos via a human mage follower of Mystara who Thanatos instructed to search for them. After 150 years of combing various planes of existance he finally found what he was looking for and reported to his Master. Thanatos intructs him to open a gateway to this other world and contact the HIVEMIND. In doing so the mage is consumed, his knowledge spread to the HIVE, and the new invasion begins... If you would like it to stay within "canon" you can use this idea instead of the first :) same basic history, different reasoning behind it. A way to add some horror elements to your campaign when friends and relatives become infected and changed right before their eyes...almost an "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" type of feel. All it would take is a new form of Brood that doesn't modify the host as much/as quickly and all sorts of fun can be had by all..."What was that? You said that you were bitten by a funny looking bug? Ewwww, look at that nasty scaly stuff around the bite, almost like an insect carapice...you really ought to put something on that before it gets an infection..." cj *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:37:11 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... In a message dated 1998-12-25 14:16:01 Eastern Standard Time, valerya@hotmail.com writes: > > no longer Than Athos, > >HE has become the IMMORTAL THANATOS, bringer of DEATH. > > Wasn't Thanatos around before Blackmoor? I seem to remember the > Burrowers (HW) from *much* earlier. I like this idea enough that I want to find a way to make it work. So.... While it is clear that Thanatos himself is unimaginably ancient, it is not so clear that the name "Thanatos" is. So we can use the story as is, except that "Than Athos" is simply a mortal identity that Thanatos assumed during the Blackmoor era. In that case, the dim memory of this man would have corrupted his name to "Thanatos", the name under which that Immortal is most commonly worshiped today. And please note that I am not the author of the "Birth of the Hivebrood" posting -- I just had an idea for forcing it to fit into "canon". *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:56:50 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Thanks for the support of my little "story"...just had an extra half hour or so and I thought that I would jot it down for your perusal. As for your idea...see my follow up posting for ideas on how to fit it into "canon" and how to allow you to add some twists to it so that your groups can become even MORE paranoid. :) cj *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 GlobalFrog@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the support of my little "story"...just had an extra half hour or > so and I thought that I would jot it down for your perusal. As for your > idea...see my follow up posting for ideas on how to fit it into "canon" and > how to allow you to add some twists to it so that your groups can become even > MORE paranoid. :) What? Thanatos isn't already coming after them anyway? I though he had it in for all PCs :) Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:35:38 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... oh he is after em alright...just gives him yet ANOTHER way of stressing em out :) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:09:13 +0100 From: "Marzio Spairani" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Introducing myself Dear Friends, let me introduce myself. My name is Marzio and I live in Italy. I have been a roleplaying enthusiast since 1986 and I have played and enjoyed for many years the world of Mystara. I am now glad to be part of the list of those who work for the survival of the Known World. Marzio The Road Goes Ever On - J.R.R. Tolkien Marzio Spairani Genova, Italy E-Mail:Spairani@aleph.it http://www.aleph.it/~spaira01/ For RpG Lovers: http://www.aleph.it/~spairani/gdr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:12:24 GMT From: "John Polacek" Subject: [MYSTARA] - swapping I too am interested in swapping material over the 'net. I have a lot of hard-to-find stuff, including some of the really old OD&D modules, so send me a post if you're interested. drinkupjohnny99@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #762 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Sunday, December 27 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 763 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - New Religious Orders [MYSTARA] - Followers of Zyr [MYSTARA] - The Druid-Priests of Yavannah [MYSTARA] - penhaligon Trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Re: [MYSTARA] - swapping Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - swapping Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:16:27 GMT From: "John Polacek" Subject: [MYSTARA] - New Religious Orders I'm currently running two PBeM games set in Mystara. During the course of doing this, I've created two new religious orders to cater the individual needs of a couple of the players. They fit pretty nicely into the Mystaran world, I think, so I figured I'd throw 'em on the list and see what you guys think. So without further ado... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:17:34 GMT From: "John Polacek" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Followers of Zyr New Religious Order: The Followers of Zyr. A devout worshipper of Tarastia, patron immortal of justice and revenge, Zyr was not content with merely paying homage to his deity in the sanctuary of the church. It is said that he would see visions of Tarastia herself who bade him to leave the church and exercise her will throughout the land. He would travel throughout the known world, dispensing justice believing himself to be acting as a direct extension of Tarastia’s will. Though many of the elder priests in the church believed him to be acting as a renegade without their support, some of the younger clerics of the faith came to admire his zealousness as they would hear tales of his heroic quests to bring justice for the innocent and the helpless. Eventually, Zyr founded his own sect of followers who adopted his calling and their number steadily grew as other priests of Tarastia left the church to follow Zyr’s example. Zyr would eventually embarked on a quest that would result in his disappearance from Mystara. Some believe that he was killed in battle, fighting until his death to carry out the wishes of his god. The faithful however believe that he successfully completed his quest and that he himself became an immortal, called to stand at Tarastia’s side. Unlike other religions in Mystara, membership in this faith is not freely open to the general public. Followers are chosen. Priests are recruited for their physical prowess, mental strength, and perhaps above all, personal attitude. This is for good reason. An utter devotion to seeing justice carried through at all costs and without compromise is at the center of this faith. The choice to sacrifice one’s own life for the cause of the just is one that must be able to be executed without hesitation. Should a follower fail in this, then the priest’s entire life is deemed to have been worthless. There are no churches of Zyr, for it is a wanderer’s faith. Zyrians are spread out throughout the Known World. Followers are recruited and trained on a one-by-one basis by a high-level member of the church, who must, as a duty of the faith, find and train an apprentice. When a prospective follower is deemed acceptable, often after years of instruction and torturous training, he is sent on his own to prove his worth. An acolyte of Zyr is referred to as a “Hand of Zyr”, reflecting their perception of being an active extension of Zyr and Tarastia’s own will. Once a Hand has reached name-level, he is granted then the superior title of “Arm of Zyr” There is a loose network of the Order of Zyr. Messages are sent to one another through courier and through prayer. Hands are often sent on religious missions to prove their worthiness. The Zyrian faith is allied with many other lawful churches throughout the land, most especially the Church of Tarastia of course, and will often send one of its order to assist these churches when they are in time of need. Indeed, as part of their duties, Hands of Zyr must seek out noble causes and quests to prove their devotion to justice. Though it may be rare for one to encounter a Follower of Zyr, as it is a small sect, with its congregation spread far throughout the known world, the faith is well-known throughout Brun and even as far west as Sind and east as Alphatia. A quiet prayer to Zyr may be spoken now and then by the common man, but only when he finds himself in a situation of being wronged most foully, and is almost seen as a curse against those who have wronged him. Followers of Zyr are often viewed as extremists and militants by many, as they often take the law into their own hands, as they see themselves the ultimate source of justice, acting with divine authority. Some would even see them as a cult, as many Hands are often quite overzealous, loudly proclaiming their beliefs and holy missions in taverns and inns across the land. Adding to the common man’s apprehension is the fact that the exact nature of Zyr and his ascension to immortality is unknown to the general populace, and is instead a legend whispered only among the chosen. Even other lawful religions have misgivings about the Followers of Zyr. Even though the Hands and Arms of Zyr are often of great use in time of need, they are seen as radicals by most clerics. In some of the more civilized towns and cities, these “radicals” may even be jailed for their actions, which are often viewed as outright vigilantism by town and city officials. It is in the borderlands and unsettled areas of the world that these clerics are most valued, for it is there that they are seen as heroes to the masses that have fallen prey to evil humanoids, marauding bandits, and other forces of Entropy and chaos. In fact, this is often where Arms of Zyr go searching for a new recruit to add to the faith. (DM’s Option: Granted Powers) At level three, Hands of Zyr may detect lie once per day (and one additional time for every two additional levels of experience, up to 4 times per day) At level seven, Hands cause fear in creatures of 1HD or less (creatures must save vs. spells). At level eight, fear is caused in creatures of 2 HD or less (save vs. spells), creatures of 1HD or less save at –1. At level nine, creatures of 3HD or less, creatures of 2HD save at –1, creatures of 1HD or less save at –2. At level 10, a priest of Zyr may commune (as per level five spell) once per week. If the DM chooses to allow granted powers, it is recommend that the amount of experience points required for level advancement be increased. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 20:18:45 GMT From: "John Polacek" Subject: [MYSTARA] - The Druid-Priests of Yavannah New Religious Order: The Druid-priest of Yavannah This small religious order resides in a small but thick deeply-wooded forest south of the Alfheim town of Shieldtree just a few miles away from the Alfheim border. These descendents of the Nithian Traldar settled there many centuries ago (cerca 800 BC), following their religious leader Yavannah on what has come to be known as the Great Pilgrimage. A devout pacifist, Yavannah sought refuge from the gnollish invasions and Hutaakan domination. Seeking to live a quiet life, he embarked on a spiritual journey, leading a number of Traldar north to the unsettled area which has come to be the Republic of Darokin. Said to have been guided by a higher power, Yavannah and his followers persevered through a very long and difficult journey. Often forced to defend themselves against roaming bands of orcs and other hostile humanoids spread throughout the region, Yavannah and his faithful called upon the forces of nature to defend themselves. The Great Pilgrimage ended when Yavannah led his group into a thickly wooded forest and came upon a beautiful grove inhabited by a Treant named Et’teriyas. Though initially distrustful of the humans, the Treant came to admire Yavannah’s bravery and devotion to peace and the sanctity of nature. The humans were allowed to settle in the forest and became close allies of the Treant and others of his kind spread throughout the forest. The druid-priests of Yavannah also formed ties with the elves and were even allowed to participate in the elven ceremonies of weather-change, and are among the only humans who are able to experience the good magic point of Dreamland, which is a mere thirty-some miles from their forest home. In addition, the druid-priests were often called to aid the elves against the twisted magic of Dragontree, and Yavannah himself is said to have put to rest many of the undead who were threatening to overrun the forest. Throughout his life, Yavannah drew great strength from the forces of nature and his lifespan was far longer than that of normal men. Towards the end of his life, Yavannah embarked on one last final pilgrimage to an unknown destination. It is said that he sought to unlock the ultimate secrets of nature, and that he journeyed to the Elemental Plane of Earth itself where he became an immortal of the Sphere of Matter. This faith is little-known to those outside of Alfheim, as it is not widely practiced in the realm. The tale of Yavannah is not one of a great epic battle or glorious quest for fame, but rather a spiritual journey that resulted in becoming at peace with nature and achieving a higher state of consciousness through understanding the order of life. It is a quiet religion that prefers the isolation of forest and has little need for interaction with modern civilization. Allied with the powerful treants, their groves are rarely threatened by outsiders. Occasionally, a druid-priest will journey forth from the forest on a holy mission or perhaps just to spread the word of Yavannah. It is not generally known that this small sect is one of the few traces of the Nithian empire left on Mystara. In fact, even in their own history, little is mentioned of the times before the Great Pilgrimage. History is remembered in verbal tradition and there is a passing mention of the Hutaakans, who are referred to as the “ancient invaders” and Traldar, known as “war-like ancestors” in their tales. The times of the Traldaran dark ages and the gnollish invasion of Traldar are the catalyst for Yavannah’s Great Pilgrimage, but the primary emphasis of the druid-priests’ history is placed on the pilgrimage itself and the subsequent meeting of Yavannah and Et’teriyas. Those who have heard of the druidic priests of Yavannah know that above all, these priests believe in the sanctity of life, and are pacifists by nature. Though these clerics are not especially formidable in battle, they draw great strength from their convictions and from their devotion to Yavannah. Though sometimes naïve in the face of the outside world away from their quiet groves, are among wisest in the land and can be formidable when faced with a challenge due to their abilities to draw on the power of the earth. Nature is a druid-priests greatest ally, and though they are not confrontational, when given no choice but to fight, an elder cleric of this faith can be a dangerous opponent, indeed. (DM’s Options) Obviously, at the very least, clerics of this faith have a large emphasis on nature-related spells. Under AD&D rules, they may even be played as druids. However, the concept behind the creation of the druid-priest is that it is a hybrid class. While still having the devotion to nature that druids have, followers of Yavannah are of lawful alignment, actively supporting the cause of good, though preferably through peaceful means. This contradicts the AD&D character class of druids who are universally true neutral. Yavannah’s alignment was lawful-good (or lawful under OD&D rules) and therefore falls outside the norm of the druid character class. Instead of being strictly druidic, priests of Yavannah are simply clerics who worship nature. They have the same granted powers of druids and follow the same level advancement rules, but their overall philosophy is not one of neutrality, but of pacifism and opposition to the forces of chaos and entropy. As such, unlike druids, druid-priests are able to turn undead. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:48:58 +1100 From: Fiona Uebergang Subject: [MYSTARA] - penhaligon Trilogy Greetings from the far south I am a big fan of the tainted sword and would like to know if anybody knows what the stats are for Flinn, Jo and all the other characters and the ruiling one the crystals from the venom. Also i really really want the books so if anybody has a copy of them i would like to know if we can work something out i know this is very demanding but im desperate for stats as none are in the Karamikos boxed set and i dont have gaz.1 I really want to run the knights in my cmapaigne i know that this has probebely been covered before but help *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia > you maid a few mistakes I think.. it doesn't say (in HW) that tarastia > was sponsored by Ixion. I doubt this patronsip is the case. Ixion is one of the more patriarchical immortals IIRC, while Tarastia is egalitarian in outlook. The two have almost nothing in common. > and if she is from the sphere of energy (as > stated) than she takes the path of paragon not dynast. Can't you switch upon achieving immortality? > Tarastia was also the patron of the traditional jennites when they wared > with the other faction of jennites who endorsed male supremacy. in my > campaign she is patron of women and justice. I think she favors egalitarian, not an Amazonian society. She definitely would back women (or men) trying to overthrow a discrimantory society, in my mind. > Chanuka is over but I didnt realy notice since I was at the Lebanese > border :( Oh well, I wish you an easy fast Tuesday (and to all other Jewish list members the same) - if I have the right day for the Tenth of Tevet. - -Mischa G-d put us here to ask, to try to find out the best way possible to live with our neighbors. Of course, you can go through a life not asking, and that's the tragedy:so many lives lived in moral blindness - Dorothy Day *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:40:56 -0600 From: "Jeff & Lauri Fox" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Try Again >> you maid a few mistakes I think.. no i don't think so. it doesn't say (in HW) that tarastia was sponsored by Ixion. but it does say so in WotI bk. 1 pg. 36, "..., she became an Immortal of the Sphere of Energy for her patron, Ixion,..." And again in the HW DM Source book "Sphere and Alignment: Energy; Lawful." >I doubt this patronsip is the case. Ixion is one of the more patriarchical >immortals IIRC, while Tarastia is egalitarian in outlook. The two have >almost nothing in common. "...who admired her tempestuous nature." So I guess he did, huh?! >> and if she is from the sphere of energy (as stated< see above>) then she takes the path of paragon not dynast. Let me know if I can be of any more service. FOX *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:27:21 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - swapping I'm so interested, i'm very excited to get my hands on some. I have a few, including the In search of adventure series, and a bunch of the gazeteers. Dude this would be cool. Mail be back...either on the list or Nurvel@AOL.com......Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:30:09 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... i have a ?........this might sound really stupid, but what is the difference between canon and non-canon......thanx Lift your head up high and blow your brains out.....the Bloodhound gang *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:33:18 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... thats a good idea.....i like you guys.................i just got online and i am bombarded with good stuff that people come up with........ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:04:24 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:06:23 -0500 (EST) Mischa E Gelman wrote... >Can't you switch(spheres)upon achieving immortality? ...yup in WotI box it says that other imortals have tried to turn Loki away from Entropy but he always betrayed them (go figure:) >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:20:20 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 Nurvel@aol.com wrote: > i have a ?........this might sound really stupid, but what is the difference > between canon and non-canon......thanx Hi there. Canon is one of those words that seem to stirr very strong emotional reactions in alot of people in here. Anyway, I think a good definition of Non-canon is material that includes information that is in contradiction with "official material" (ie. published by TSR) Ofcourse, much official material contradicts itself, so its not a simple term, really. The Hivebrood article by GlobalFrog indicated that Thanatos was created around the time of Blackmoor, while the "Wrath of The Immortals" Boxed set says that he is much older. This makes the Hivebrood article non-canon. Nothing wrong with that, ofcourse :) Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - swapping > I too am interested in swapping material over the 'net. I have a lot of > hard-to-find stuff, including some of the really old OD&D modules, so > send me a post if you're interested. One note - there's nothing with this kind of stuff on the list, but a handful of posts does get annoying. Perhaps we should have someone make a list of what everybody has extra and what everyone needs so that we don't get inundated with these posts? Or people could just take it to private email, rather than post to the list at large? Also, while swapping is a good idea, there are many ways to get old D&D stuff: rec.games.frp.marketplace - the official newsgroup for this sort of thing. Frequent auctions and sales going on. The Mystara FAQ lists online RPG stores Some nice online RPG stores I've seen are: http://www.titan-games.com/ - usually a decent selection, updated often http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/g-roleplaying/TSR.html - huge selection, not as well organized http://www.sagesguild.com/mystara.htm - some stuff http://204.250.193.236/sleeping.dragon/catalog/products.cfm?company=TSR - lots of stuff, mostly ADND, sorted alphabetically Searching for 'online gaming store' on altavista brings up many others, but I don't know which have Mystara stuff Also, I've seen modules listed on amazon.com searches, but don't know if they sell them or not. - - Mischa G-d put us here to ask, to try to find out the best way possible to live with our neighbors. Of course, you can go through a life not asking, and that's the tragedy:so many lives lived in moral blindness - Dorothy Day *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:21:01 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... ok......what i was thinking was in the same ball park.....thanx Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #763 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, December 28 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 764 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - test Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone... [MYSTARA] - Xmas and everything [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions [MYSTARA] - Merry Day of Dread... Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019 Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions Re: [MYSTARA] - Azcans (Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT) Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:18:28 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia At 19.06 26/12/98 -0500, Mischa E Gelman wrote: >Can't you switch upon achieving immortality? IIRC you can switch sphere, but that's not a very common and popular practice. ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560 ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:37:54 EST From: GlobalFrog@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Alternately, you can use the information I posted afterward to make it "fit" in canon. It's up to you...as for me, it was all just an attack of creativity that hit me in a fit of boredom at work :) I do like the way that it turned out tho...and am looking forward to the next "attack" that hits me. I also felt that it was only fair that I post it...after all, I have "lurked" here on the group for quite some time without contributing much. I felt that it was time that I give something back to the group :) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:14:58 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: [MYSTARA] - test test ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:33:20 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... makes since here *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:42:41 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... >makes since here Hi, Nurvel, and welcome to the MML...You might find it helpful to cite what you're referring in your messages. :-) Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:03:24 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Sorry about not including what i was posting about *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:20:49 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... >Sorry about not including what i was posting about Don't worry about it--you didn't know. We're a pretty friendly lot here; we won't draw and quarter you on the first mistake! ;-)) Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:01:14 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone... I'm looking for two things....first anyone who wants to trade OD&D stuff ....second anyone who lives in the St. Louis, MO area that's willing to game....thanx Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:52:13 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Xmas and everything Merry Xmas, Hannukah, Rammadan, whatever, and happy New Year for those of us who begin the year in January. It is a pity that during these days, when most of you seem to have time to spare in the list, I am mostly away from my computer, locked in preparing five Philosophy papers. Best wishes, Andrés *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:27:43 PST From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT KALDMONT 1, AC 1015: An Omen Every Day. Location: Throughout the empire, Azca. HW Description: People all over the Empire have dreams portending something miraculous at the end of the month. The story of the similar dreams enthralls the population, and by the end of the month even the simplest and most natural of events is being seen as an omen by the superstitious Azcans. Meanwhile, followers of the New Way announce the forthcoming Return of Quetzalcoatl, their legendary king. They claim that his chalchiuatl, his sacrificial blood, will forever quench the Sun's thirst. Soothsayers whisper about the imminence of a tremendous event, though saying more could get them to the sacrificial altar. Worship of Kalaktatla, Otzitiotl, and the Four Hundred Rabbits grow, and followers of the New Way become more active than ever. (See Sv. 26, Ei. 14; Ka. 28.) KALDMONT 8, AC 1015: Getting Our Artifact Back. Location: Northern Schattenalfen lands, Schattenalfheim. HW Description: A Traldar war-band overruns a Schattenalfen camp's defenders, and discovers their artifact hidden in the officer's quarters. Content, they leave the field to bring the artifact to where it belongs, and tell tales of the glorious retrieval. (See Ei. 6, Ei. 12.) What This Means: The Schattenalfen, though not on their knees yet, knew they could not bear the full strength of the Traldar attacks while most of their troops are in the outer world. Besides, the Azcans, now freed of the Traldar annoyance themselves, may be tempted to strike at them again. So they decided to cut in their losses by giving the Traldar what they wanted, their stupid artifact. They knew however that the savage Traldar would not simply accept their apologies again, even with the artifact as a gift, but were intent on "gaining" it. Queen Catriata thus arranged for one of their position to fall, sacrificing the elves defending that place. KALDMONT 14, AC 1015: Imperial Query. Location: Andaire, Jafilia, Alphatia. HW Description: Empress Eriadna summons those responsible for showing the Gentle Folk about Alphatia. She inquires as to what they have been doing and what they think about Alphatia. The escorts note that the elves are very intelligent and seem to be taking in the sites with pleasure and appreciation. They relate the elves' apparent discomfort when asked about their own past and how they change the subject. The Shiye representative relates that as far as elves go, the Gentle Folk are pathetic. He tries to explain this but cannot; as he puts it, non-elves cannot rationalize what an elf is or is suppose to do. He goes on to add that he feels that they have but a limited understanding of magic and only one or two of the visitors qualify as spellcasters. One of the clerics of Razud approves of the Shiye elf's judgment. He cites several incidents where the Gentle Folk's extreme pacifist nature is clearly demonstrated. Another cleric of Razud mentions their use of an intoxicating plant, with similar affects as zzonga fruit. Eriadna offers that the Gentle Folk are wards of the Immortals, Alphatia and Koryis, and therefore are wards of the people of Alphatia. She remarks that the Empire could offer them a protected life, but what kind of life offers no ambition or self-esteem. Eriadna suggests that Alphatian people try to influence these elves to where they can not only defend themselves but lead constructive lives. The Shiye representative and the Razud clerics applaud this idea, the other clerics do not. Sensing this discontent, Eriadna points that any such changes will need the approval of the patron Immortals of the Gentle Folk. Regardless of a decision, the Gentle Folk will have the support of the Alphatian people as their mortal protectors. (See Ei. 15, Ei. 18.) What This Means: The Alphatian escorts have had a chance to analyze the visiting Gentle Folk, and none of them have been really impressed at what they have seen. The Shiye representative and Razud clerics are more vocal. For their part, the other clerics have also been unimpressed but remain silent. Eriadna is sincere in her want to better the lives of the Gentle Folk. She is also sincere in her want to have the Empire act as their protector. However, she would rather have her people protect a people that can and will protect themselves. In truth, the extreme pacifist nature of the Gentle Folk sickens her. Being that the Gentle Folk do have Immortal patrons, Eriadna will not authorize any interdictions on their society without approval from those Immortals. In fact, she would prefer to let the clerics intervene. She thinks that it would be interesting if the Shiye were to intervene as well. KALDMONT 15, AC 1015: A Pharaoh Falls. Location: Nithia. HW Description: While on patrol in the hinterlands west of Tarthis, a small group of scouts come across a ragged caravan coming down out of the uplands. Not expecting anyone to be in the region, they order the travelers to stop, so that they may be questioned. Much to the surprise of the guards, one of the travelers is none other than the deposed pharaoh, Ramose! Quickly, the travelers are overpowered, and brought to Tarthis for judgement. (See Fe. 20, Am. 19; Ka. 18; Ka. 19.) What This Means: For several months there has been a standing order for the arrest of Ramose on charges of being an impostor, as well as plotting to overthrow the established order of Nithia. Ramose and his party were sheltering in the highlands west of Tarthis, trying to commune with Rathanos for guidance. His requests for aid unanswered, Ramose was heading back to Nithia to find some other way to regain power when he and his trusted entourage were discovered. KALDMONT 18, AC 1015: Judgement. Location: Tarthis, Nithia. HW Description: Pharaoh Senkha puts Ramose on trial publicly today, and reads to the bound man a long list of alleged crimes committed against Nithia. Although Senkha repeatedly orders Ramose to answer for these crimes, he does not, merely keeping a stony silence. Increasingly frustrated, Senkha threatens to destroy Ramose where he stands if he does not admit to his crimes. Still he remains silent, and dignified. Finally, she orders her guards to kill Ramose, which they seem reluctant to do, knowing that Ramose was pharaoh. Disgusted at their slowness, Senkha screams, grabs a guard's sword, and, cursing Ramose for being a foul impostor, slices him across the abdomen. As Ramose falls silently to the ground, no one says a word. As everyone files out of the area, some figures stealthily melt into the crowd, bearing Ramose's body. (See Am. 19, Ka. 15; Ka. 19) What This Means: Senkha lost a battle against the voices in her head today, as they ordered her to kill Ramose where he stood. Of late, she has found the voices to be louder, and more insistent, telling her to say and do things she would never have considered even a year ago. This is another sign that the influence of the Burrowers is becoming stronger. KALDMONT 19, AC 1015: A Miraculous Occurrence. Location: Tarthis, Nithia. HW Description: In a half-forgotten corridor of the catacombs beneath the main Temple of Pflarr, the body of Ramose lies in state - in the only place where his body may lay undisturbed. A small circle of mourners gathers about the body to pay their last respects, as embalmers and priests of Rathanos and Pflarr wait to commence their own covert task of preparing the body for the next world. Suddenly, a loud voice, seemingly from nowhere, yet everywhere at once, booms, "I wish you back to life, Ramose, pharaoh of the Nithians, to lead your people to a new age as the chosen of the Immortals!" With that, Ramose's body begins to glow with a golden light, and, much to the surprise and amazement of all present, he stirs! Realizing that their pharaoh is no longer dead, but alive once more, many of those present immediately kneel and loudly give thanks to the Immortals of Nithia, and to Rathanos, who has obviously shown his favor for his chosen follower. Almost instantly, hushed orders are given to those present, that all supporters of Ramose must know that their pharaoh is not dead, and that he has the support of the Immortals. (See Ka. 15, Ka. 18) What This Means: Ramose was not resurrected by Immortal magic; he owes his continued existence to Zandor, who has been exploring the city of Tarthis for the past several weeks now, invisibly, in search of magical knowledge that might help him gain support from his new Zargosian allies. The insane Alphatian wizard witnessed the death of Ramose, and thought it would be suitably entertaining to resurrect him, and see what sort of discord could be sown as a result. He also relishes the irony of restoring the deposed emperor back to the throne of Nithia. KALDMONT 28, AC 1015: The Dream. Location: Chitlacan, Azca. HW Description: Papalotl receives a dream-vision from Atruatzin, in which he sees himself standing atop a huge stepped pyramid. He recognizes the surroundings as the city of Chitlacan, but the pyramid he stands on, the Great Pyramid, is not the one he knows. It is decorated with emblems of the sun-god Otzitiotl. At the other end of the great plaza he sees another stepped pyramid dedicated to Kalaktatla. Suddenly a man appears beside him - a young man, but with eyes which betray a great age. He gestures, and darkness descends upon the pyramids, putting the city in twilight. As Papalotl watches the pyramids are desecrated with evil imagery - the imagery of Atzanteotl - and blood begins to flow down the steps of the pyramids. He watches in horror as the man beside him disappears, replaced by a grotesque black feathered serpent with an evil human face. The blood flows faster, and the evil serpent laughs. Another man appears - a high priest of Atzanteotl. And suddenly he is standing over Papalotl, and Papalotl realizes he is on the altar. Papalotl shouts "No! It cannot be!" But the priest just cackles and raises his knife. As he is about to plunge the knife downwards, the first man appears again - but then he too transforms, into a beautiful multi-colored feathered serpent. "Quetzalcoatl!" cries Papalotl, as the knife plunges downwards into his breast. But he feels no pain. He looks down on his broken body, as if from above, and suddenly he realizes that he is the serpent, flying above. He awakes with a jolt, drenched with blood that is not his own. He knows what he must do. Calmly and with his head held high, he gets up and walks out of the house, into the city streets. He starts walking, and continues until he has reached the bottom steps of the great pyramid in the very center of Chitlacan. He mounts the first few steps, turns to the bustling plaza, and calmly but loudly says, "The steps flow with our blood. The streets flow with our blood. The temples resound with the clink of coin and the screams of innocent children." He begins to openly preach the way of Atruatzin, on the very steps of the temple of Atzanteotl. Within a few minutes, a huge, stunned crowd gathers in front of him. At first they listen, but soon they begin to jeer and taunt him, and Papalotl is seized bodily by some soldiers, who take him away to await trial and sacrifice. He is taken before the Emperor and found to be guilty of the worst of crimes - treason against the Azcan people and blasphemy against Atzanteotl. Sacrifice is set at noon of the same day (28th), a mere few hours from the trial. (See Ei. 14, Ka. 1; Ka. 28.) What This Means: Papalotl is not afraid since it has been revealed to him in a dream that it was his fate, and that his death would bring a new era for the Azcan people. KALDMONT 28, AC 1015: The Sacrifice. Location: Chitlacan, Azca. HW Description: At noon, on the Day of No Magic, Papalotl is taken atop the great pyramid of Atzanteotl in the city of Chitlacan, and in a ceremony conducted by the Emperor himself he is to be ritually sliced open, in order to remove his living heart from his body. The crowd comes in droves at they expect some event happening at Papalotl's own sacrifice, since he disrupted other sacrifices before. Some pull for him, some come out of respect, some just wonder how he is going to tactfully disrupt his own sacrifice. Whatever their reason, whatever their support or lack thereof, most anticipate something is going to happen. Papalotl is taken to the main temple of Atzanteotl in Chitlacan, where he will be sacrificed to Atzanteotl by the Emperor himself. His sacrifice should put and end to the recent series of defeats the Azcans have suffered. Emperor Azcotica raises the sacrificial knife, and plunges it into Papalotl's heart. The crowd watches in anticipation, surprised that nothing unusual has happened yet. But as the Emperor cuts into Papalotl, a huge, glowing form emerges from his chest - bright, clear as crystal but with amazing colors - and unfurls into the form of a beautiful, translucent feathered serpent. At the same instant the dying breath of Papalotl is cried, somehow clear enough to carry throughout the great plaza and beyond "Quetzalcoatl!" The gloriously-colored serpent flies up into the sky, where it is met by a second, similar serpent, and together they fly up towards the sun, seemingly disappearing into it. The surprised Azcotica steps back in surprise and awe, when he is hit by a poisonous dart. The priests of Atzanteotl, who have no spells on that day, retreat inside the temple. After a moment the silence is broken in the great plaza by a sudden flurry of conversation, as the people excitedly debate what they have seen. Fights erupt around the temple between followers of the New Way and loyalists to Atzanteotl. Soon after, the two Flying Serpents reach the Sun, and transform into a growing ball of light. The new Sun then sets in orbit around the red sun. The followers of the New Way claim that Papalotl's chalchiuatl has finally quenched the Red Sun's thirst and brought back the Moving Sun, as foretold in the legend of Quetzalcoatl. The talking quickly turns into a riot, as followers of Atzanteotl clash with people who believe the last sacrifice has been made and the sun is satiated. Soon the riots spread, and within a few hours the entire city is in utter chaos. The clerics and guards try in vain to protect themselves and the city, but the great pyramid is overwhelmed with a mass of people and Papalotl's body disappears among the crowds. Chitlacan and soon the whole Empire fall into civil war. (See Ka. 1, Ka. 28) What This Means: The serpent rising represents Papalotl's ascension to Immortality. Atruatzin, his sponsor, told him to do this in a cryptic dream-vision, and he accepted it as his duty to the Azcan people without knowing it was his final step to Immortality. The poisonous dart was sent by an Atruatolco scout, who reasoned that the man who killed the great king Atruatzin should not live to witness His Return from Mictlan. Papalotl, actually a reincarnation of Atruaghin, has achieved Immortality and fulfilled the old prophecies of his people. At the same time in Pandius, Atruaghin, seeing His peoples, both Sons of Azca and Children of Atruaghin, now freed from the tyranny of evil Atzanteotl, agrees to Ka and Ixion's proposal to give up His immortality and be reincarnated as a simple mortal, as He believes is His fate. Only a fraction of time later, when His consciousness merges with that of Papalotl and He regains His whole memory, does He realize that He in fact had been reincarnated as Papalotl in the past and thus has become an Immortal for the second time. The new Sun is a creation of the Immortals Atruaghin, Ixion, Ka, Ordana, and Alphatia. Ordana is pleased to help in the making of any new means of measuring time, while Alphatia's goal remains undisclosed. The reason why Ka stepped down from the position of Reigning Hierarch of the Sphere of Matter for a brief moment just before reincarnating Atruaghin remains a mystery to the Immortal, though in classic Azcan fashion He believes it is His destiny, and part of the greater scheme of the universe where everything is governed by circles, that it should happened so. Note to DMs: This is an opportunity to play at master level with a PC on the path to Immortality. In that case, obviously, the PC should not know that he is Atruaghin until he reaches Immortality, as stated above. This logically further leads to the opportunity of immortal level play with a well-known Immortal. Also remember that this event may have put Atruaghin on the path to becoming an Old One, if Ka and Ixion's theory proves true. It should not be revealed to the PC, though, that Atruaghin has been groomed for millennia by the two Hierarchs just to prove or disprove that theory - it is up to him to discover it out, or not. _________________________________ Joshuan Gallidox Publishing publisher of the Mystaran Almanac ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:28:54 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT I was just wondering. I have seen the Mystaran Timeline for AC1014 and 1015 on many various pages. Are they all basically the same, except of course ones that someone uses specifically for their non-canon campaign? I would like to have the official ones. I also need the one for AC1013.....I didnt get to buy that while i could find it. Thanx ........Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:56:53 -0500 From: Andrew Toth Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... At 09:20 PM 12/27/98 PST, you wrote: > > > > >>Sorry about not including what i was posting about > >Don't worry about it--you didn't know. We're a pretty friendly lot here; >we won't draw and quarter you on the first mistake! ;-)) > The second one, well thats an entirely other story. :> Beyowlf Steely Blue Dragon -==UDIC==- |/ "Ours is not to reason why, but to blow this joint before we die" -Ratrap, BeastWars *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:23:54 -0800 (PST) From: David Kronhamn Subject: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions Hello Everyone, yet another new member on the list (well, I've been here for a few months but this is my first post). Although I realize that it makes the setting a little different from a design perspective, I don't see any logical reason for switching East and West on maps in the HW. (I don't have the HW Box, just some of the gazetteers and adventures set there. So there might information I don't have. Please let me know if this is the case) We (the players) know that this makes them correspond to the Outer World directions, and so do the Immortals and, I suppose, travellers from the outside coming through the polar openings will be aware of it. But, people who have just been transferred inside and are starting to map their surroundings would not know it. And why should they even care if they somehow found out? Wouldn't people resist such a change fiercely if some scholar or sage pointed it out? They don't have any connection to the outside, so to them it doesn't matter where East and West are there. IMO they would much rather have things the way they've always been. Anyway, it would take years for people to get used to such a change, unless the Immortals change everyone's perspective when they are transferred. A related issue: Navigating must be really difficult in the HW or at least very different, with no stars, moon, or moving sun. Must be especially tough for seafaring people. Could someone tell me what it says in the HW Box about this? (I'm assuming that there is some way to find North and South. Does a compass or similar device work, i.e. is there a magnetic field on the inside of Mystara? Otherwise navigation seems almost impossible.) Comments, please. David ps. great list, btw University of Lund, Sweden David_Kronhamn@hermes.ics.lu.se dkronhamn@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:08:44 PST From: "Joshuan Gallidox Publishing" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Merry Day of Dread... ... and a Happy New Year. According to my Traladaran fortune teller, while the year AC 1016 was placed under the noticeable influence of the Dragon, AC 1017 will be the year of the Salamander. What will this bode for our beloved world of Mystara? Peace in our lands at last? More importantly, what will this bode for you? Whether you were borne under the ascendency of the Hydra, the Gorgon, the Warrior, or even under the star that marks this year with its strong influence, discover what the Immortals have planned for you this year! In Their wisdom, They have written your future in the skies as you came to life - or unlife, for some -, and soothsayers can divine it for you. Every year, along with events that shattered the world the previous year and are already sung by prestigious bards at courts or whispered at local inns, alongside the wonders of the most remote of countries you never even dreamt of and the latest news of the boisterous life of the illustrious Mystarans you would love to spend an evening with, the Mystaran Almanac provides you with detailed horoscopes, brought to you by the best Traladaran soothsayers. The best source for knowing what is going on on and within Mystara. Belzamith Fingertackles, Co-Editor Mystaran Almanac Mirros, Karameikos Kaldmont 28, AC 1016 _________________________________ Joshuan Gallidox Publishing publisher of the Mystaran Almanac ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:35:10 +1100 From: "Loki Carbis" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A World in Flames -- AC 1019 >Winona Ryder would seem to have the right look for Dolores or >a Shadow Elf. Yeah. Pity she can't act... :) >For Princess Carnelia, we need a charismatic Latina actress -- >the female equivalent of Ricardo Montalban. Unfortunately, I am >having a very tough time thinking of anybody suitable -- maybe >no suitable candidate has made it big among us Anglos? Salma Hayek. First choice - only choice! :) Loki *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:02:21 -0500 (EST) From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Two comments on an otherwise fine job: > What This Means: Ramose was not resurrected by Immortal magic; he > owes his continued existence to Zandor, who has been exploring the city > of Tarthis for the past several weeks now, invisibly, in search of > magical knowledge that might help him gain support from his new > Zargosian allies. The insane Alphatian wizard witnessed the death of > Ramose, and thought it would be suitably entertaining to resurrect him, > and see what sort of discord could be sown as a result. He also 1. Since when can Zandor, a mage, cast clerical spells? Life, death and rebirth are all strictly clerical and should stay that way - the divisions generally aren't exact but this obviously is something mages, especially atheist ones, would be able to deal with. 2. Raise dead should not work in the HW unless you give a convincing explanation of why the Spell of Preservation broke down this time. Otherwise, good job! - Mischa G-d put us here to ask, to try to find out the best way possible to live with our neighbors. Of course, you can go through a life not asking, and that's the tragedy:so many lives lived in moral blindness - Dorothy Day *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:53:21 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions In a message dated 1998-12-28 09:39:25 Eastern Standard Time, dkronhamn@yahoo.com writes: > A related issue: > Navigating must be really difficult in the HW or at > least very different, with no stars, moon, or moving > sun. Must be especially tough for seafaring people. > Could someone tell me what it says in the HW Box > about this? But there are the floating continents, many of which are visible from the surface. I seem to recall reading about them being used for timekeeping and navigation. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:15:53 +0200 From: "Aleksei Andrievski" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Azcans (Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT) >KALDMONT 28, AC 1015: The Sacrifice. > Location: Chitlacan, Azca. HW > Interesting events, but... Is it really a good idea to eliminate Atzanteotl's control in Azca? I mean, we don't want all big bad empires suddenly become good, or we would be out of powerful villains. Here's an idea: have Azca split in two, with the northern region worshipping Atruaghin, and everything south of Chitlacan remaining under Atzanteotl's control. It would probably be more interesting that way. ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Blue Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:13:20 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:02:21 -0500 (EST) Mischa E Gelman Wrote... >2. Raise dead should not work in the HW unless you give a convincing >explanation of why the Spell of Preservation broke down this time. One could make a argument that if you were using a Wish to duplacate a spell that does work in the HW that the Wish might work or if Limited Wish worked in the HW, using that to ensure that a Reincarnaiton yeilded a human. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #764 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Tuesday, December 29 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 765 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT [MYSTARA] - De Belcadiz, part 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:46:27 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT At 05.28 28/12/98 EST, Nurvel@aol.com wrote: >I was just wondering. I have seen the Mystaran Timeline for AC1014 and 1015 >on many various pages. Are they all basically the same, except of course ones >that someone uses specifically for their non-canon campaign? I would like to >have the official ones. I also need the one for AC1013.....I didnt get to buy >that while i could find it. Hi Mike, and welcome to the list. Unfortunately there're not "official" timelines for AC 1014 and AC 1015, because the last one published by TSR is the one for AC 1013, called Joshuan Almanac. There're several timelines available on the net, notably the World in Flames by Bruce Heard and the Mystaran Net-Almanac by the so-called Almanac Team. You can find most of those timelines at Shawn's page: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/ There's also an official page for the Mystaran Net-Almanac at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/9037/ I will upload there the updated version of the Net Almanac ASAP. BTW: anyone heard from James "Thincol" Ruhland lately? ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@lunet.it rafiel@geocities.com brizio@gdr.net DM in City Of The Stars - Mystaran Almanac Assistant Student of Aerospace Enginnering - ICQ #1688817 Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:02:45 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT At 11.02 28/12/98 -0500, Mischa E Gelman wrote: >1. Since when can Zandor, a mage, cast clerical spells? Life, death and >rebirth are all strictly clerical and should stay that way - the divisions >generally aren't exact but this obviously is something mages, especially >atheist ones, would be able to deal with. > >2. Raise dead should not work in the HW unless you give a convincing >explanation of why the Spell of Preservation broke down this time. After WotI raise dead does work in the HW too, it's in the PWAs. I'll leave question #1 to the members of the HW team, I think they can give you better answers since that issue was discussed at lenght both in the HW team and among the Almanac Elders. Herve? Alex? Anyone here? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:01:58 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT In a message dated 1998-12-28 16:34:47 Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it writes: > After WotI raise dead does work in the HW too, it's in the PWAs. > > I'll leave question #1 to the members of the HW team, I think they can give > you better answers since that issue was discussed at lenght both in the HW > team and among the Almanac Elders. Herve? Alex? Anyone here? Given that it is now possible to raise the dead in the Hollow World, Zandor could simply have Wished him back to life. Of course, this assumes that his stats are given incorrectly in the PWAs (since an intelligence of 18+ is required to cast the Wish spell under both D&D and AD&D rules, and the D&D rules also require a level of 33+) and that he has somehow recovered from the effects of mnemonic mineral poisoning (as described in PWA3). The error in the stats seems to be assumed in WotI (which states that he can cast Wish but chooses not to when his mother dies), but Zandor's recovery would have to be covered in some Net Almanac event for AC 1014 or 1015. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:56:39 +0200 (EET) From: Harri M{ki Subject: [MYSTARA] - De Belcadiz, part 2 DON FERNANDO DE BELCADIZ After don Manuel's death the elves where ruled by totally new generation. New leader don Fernando, Manuel's elder son, was only 136, his wife Charlena 125, his younger brother Alfonso 62 and his brother-in-law Charan Erewan 175-years-old. They were all still young in elven count. Don Fernando had been living all his earlier years in the middle of the fighting against the humanoids or the Flaems, but contrary to most other elves of his generation he was already tired of it. He was more mild-tempered than most of the other male elves of his clan. All he really wanted was a peace, so that he could concentrate on family life with his beloved wife, Charlena. At first it looked as though that would remain only as a dream. He couldn't control elder clan leaders who wanted to revenge his father's death. So the skirmishing continued on and on for next 13 years without any great gains for neither side. Then in AC 730 there came a change in situation in the form of settlers from Alasiyan and Traladaran lands. When the settlers came over the Broken Lands the elves were at first wary of them. But then Don Fernando realised that if he could get good relations with them, he could make them as a buffer against the Flaems. He met the leaders of the settlers and promised them a safe route through the elven forests to the more open areas at the river valleys, if they when there would protect forests from the aggressions of the Flaems. The leaders realised the motives of don Fernando for making this proposal, but as they had no desire either settling in the forests or fighting their way through it, they accepted the proposal. The move was brilliant. The other elves were at first against it, but when they realised that the settlers were not a threat to them and that in the future fighting would continue between different groups of humans, even the most reluctant leaders admitted the ingenious of the move. They could now concentrate their troops against the humanoids. Next years were peaceful for the elves. Settlers and the Flaems were fighting against each other and the elves were left in peace. Don Fernando kept good relations with the first generation of the settlers, but when the second generation came to power the relations began to deteriorate. Especially leaders of the Thyatian settlers demanded more support against the Flaems, so after AC 754 Don Fernando broke all relations with the settlers. When Joachim Von Drachenfels send his envoys to propose unified state in the area in AC 762, there was no disagreement about the answer. Don Fernando announced that the elves had no desire to let the humans decide anything concerning their lands. They would keep their independence and would resist with arms if someone should try to take it away from them. One thing which affected the decision was that Don Fernando and the other elven leaders recognised Joachim's power hungriness and didn't like it. These were happy years for Don Fernando. There were generally peace in elven forests. Some humanoid raids happened but that was all. Only dark cloud was that he and Charlena didn't get a child. This was not a big problem for them because as the elves they have time, but anyhow after 40-years trying it began somewhat to occupy them. WAR YEARS When the all-out war broke between the Flaems and the settlers in AC 784, settler leaders again approached the elves. Don Fernando's answer was same as 20 years earlier: The elves didn't want to take any part in war between humans. Then in the spring of AC 786 Joachim von Drachenfels came in person to negotiate with the elven leaders. He was well prepared and used just the right arguments. He promised to recognized their independence when his side will win the war. He also told that it has at last came the time the elves could avenge the deaths of Don Manuel, Don Miguel and countless other dead to Flaems. Don Fernando was still against the war, but he knew that he couldn't anymore control younger generation lead by his own brother Don Alfonso. Those younger elves would join the settlers anyway so Don Fernando gave away and promised the elves support to the settlers. During the next years the elves fought side-by-side with the settlers and newly-arrived Alphatian battlemages in every major battle. Don Fernando didn't personally take part in fighting, he left the leadership of elven troops to Don Alfonso and Charan Erewan. At the battle of Braastar the elven longbowmen were decisive in guaranteeing the victory. To the Don Alfonso battle was personally both a triumph and a tragedy. He slay alone the Grand Duke Willem van Drees and six of his bodyguards. On the other hand his only son Felipe was among the casualties. Don Fernando arrived to Braastar immediately after receiving the announcement of Joachim von Drachenfels' death. He take the leadership of the elves in negotiations leading the establishment of the Republic of the Highlands. Don Alfonso hurried home with his sons body. The negotiations were surprisingly easy because everyone was hoping for peace. The Flaems were so totally defeated that they have no objections against anything the allies wanted them to agree, the settlers get the recognition for the lands they have already occupied and the elves also get same recognition. Don Fernando also surprised everyone when he announced that the elves would join the new republic. The composition of the new council was also Don Fernando's idea. The settler leaders would have liked a council were there were 1 Flaem, 1 Thyatian, 1 Kerendan, 1 Hattian and 1 elf. Don Fernando's opinion was that this would have been unfair for both the Flaems and the elves, so he proposed that there should be 3 Flaems and 2 elves instead of 1 for both. This was accepted after some negotiating. Don Fernando and Charan Erewan took the elven seats in the council. They were present at the first meeting when Halzunthram make his coup and captured the council members. At first it seemed that everyone submitted to his coup, but then the elves made at the leadership of don Alfonso a daring strike and released the imprisoned Flaemish and elven council members. The Flaems revolted immediately and the elves declared their independence. Don Fernando was disappointed for human politics and wanted again to take no part of the happenings in the northwest. Luckily for the elves Halzunthram was interested mostly for crushing the Flaems. The elves were left in peace. Only after AC 796 when Thyatians and Kerendans joined the Flaems in rebellion were the elves approached. Don Fernando was adamant the elves would take no part in fighting unless someone's attacking them. Don Fernando's opinion began to change only after Halzunthram had enlisted the dwarves to his side in AC 804. The elves had had problems with them already over two years. The dwarves have been filtering through the Broken Lands since the gold findings in AC 802 and the elves didn't like them digging in their forested hills. The situation with the dwarves went from bad to worse until AC 806 Don Fernando announced that the elves would join the fight against Halzunthram. Again he left the leadership of the elven troops to his brother Don Alfonso. The war went still on for 22 years and the elven troops suffered great losses during those years. They were mostly fighting against dwarven and Alphatian troops at the southern Highlands. Don Fernando's greatest contribution was it was he who was negotiating first with Wilhelm von Drachenfels and then with Morphail Gorewitch-Woszlany. Without his efforts Morphail probably wouldn't have joined the rebels AC 822. t:Harri Mäki hihama@uta.fi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #765 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Wednesday, December 30 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 766 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT [MYSTARA] - List okay? [MYSTARA] - search option Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - penhaligon Trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... [MYSTARA] - AC 1013, 1014, 1015 almanacs Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT [MYSTARA] - Re: Hollow World directions [MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] Test Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: Hollow World directions Re: [MYSTARA] - penhaligon Trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia [MYSTARA] - I have a few questions about the MML [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you experts. Re: [MYSTARA] - search option ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:13:33 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque IMC the Tarrasque is an artifact created by long forgotten immortals of entropy. It has a longer sleeping cycle of 150-200 years and stays active for 2 months. A wish will not kill it and no Immortal can control it. I was woundering how others used the Tarrasque in Mystara. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:16:00 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Ok...i understand that the last official one was the AC 1013 one.....What I meant was where the ones I downloaded the official ones from the almanac team. I like having the right stuff. What is the World of Flames timeline? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:36:36 PST From: "Elmoar Hierydyl" Subject: [MYSTARA] - List okay? Is the list down, or is nobody talking? Happy New Year! (Hope everybody survived the Day of Dread) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:20:16 +1100 From: stan Subject: [MYSTARA] - search option just a quick note about the latest update of my Mystara homepage. there's now a search option so you can search through all the pages on the site for that which might interest you. stan http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:33:25 -0600 From: "Jeff & Lauri Fox" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria Hoi, I heard you want Mystara stuff so here is what I have: B1-9 In Search of Adventure X1 The Isle of Dread (x3) DA2 Temple of the Frog PC3 The Sea People HWQ1 The Milenian Scepter (x3) HWR3 The Milenian Empire If you are interested, contact me. Jeff Fox *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:08:13 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... > > no longer Than Athos, > >HE has become the IMMORTAL THANATOS, bringer of DEATH. > > Wasn't Thanatos around before Blackmoor? I seem to remember the > Burrowers (HW) from *much* earlier. > > Jenn And there's back the ugly face of reality. :-/ (No, not you, Jennifer! :-) ) Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:16:28 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - penhaligon Trilogy > Greetings from the far south > I am a big fan of the tainted sword and would like to know if anybody > knows what the stats are for Flinn, Jo and all the other characters and > the ruiling one the crystals from the venom. > > Also i really really want the books so if anybody has a copy of them i > would like to know if we can work something out > > i know this is very demanding but im desperate for stats as none are in > the Karamikos boxed set and i dont have gaz.1 > > I really want to run the knights in my cmapaigne > > i know that this has probebely been covered before but help > As stated before by somebody, the trilogy as a stand-alone series was great, but with the D&D/Mystara background it was some of the worst I've ever read. In "Hail the Heroes", one of the AD&D (:-( ) modules for the Karameikos box, the Dragonlord trilogy is described as "True History" and the Penhaligon trilogy as "Mystaran Fiction", written by Jo. I can live with that solution... Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:54:12 -0500 From: Andrew Toth Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque At 03:13 PM 12/29/98 PST, you wrote: > IMC the Tarrasque is an artifact created by long forgotten immortals >of entropy. It has a longer sleeping cycle of 150-200 years and stays >active for 2 months. A wish will not kill it and no Immortal can control >it. > > I was woundering how others used the Tarrasque in Mystara. > I dunno. What can a Tarrasque do? I don't know what a Tarrasque is, or what it capable of. It might be the size of cat with nil spell casting ability for all I know. New subject. Ways to stop a Tarrasque. Once I find out what it is first. Beyowlf Steely Blue Dragon -==UDIC==- |/ "Ours is not to reason why, but to blow this joint before we die" -Ratrap, BeastWars *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:49:07 EST From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT In a message dated 12/28/98 4:34:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it writes: << >1. Since when can Zandor, a mage, cast clerical spells? Life, death and >rebirth are all strictly clerical and should stay that way - the divisions >generally aren't exact but this obviously is something mages, especially >atheist ones, would be able to deal with. > >2. Raise dead should not work in the HW unless you give a convincing >explanation of why the Spell of Preservation broke down this time. After WotI raise dead does work in the HW too, it's in the PWAs. I'll leave question #1 to the members of the HW team, I think they can give you better answers since that issue was discussed at lenght both in the HW team and among the Almanac Elders. Herve? Alex? Anyone here? >> the answer to #1 is that for the time being there is no answer. things should become more clear in the upcoming net almanac year. as an aside, this matter was heavily debated by the HW Team. and to be truthful, certain aspects of it are still being debated to iron things out. i think if you read the event carefully you can get an idea of just where Zandor got this power. alex *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:09:17 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... >And there's back the ugly face of reality. :-/ Gee, thanks, and I thought I'd had my beauty sleep! > >(No, not you, Jennifer! :-) ) No, not me...my evil twin, the Canonite ghost of a stressed-out holiday season. ;-) Fear not--I'm still knee-deep in heresy! Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:15:16 CET From: "Herve Musseau" Subject: [MYSTARA] - AC 1013, 1014, 1015 almanacs From: Nurvel@aol.com <> The AC 1013 almanac is called Joshuan's Almanac and was released by TSR, so if you wish to have a copy you should track it in your favorite hobby shop or on various sites on the web. The AC 1014 and AC 1015 almanacs are called Mystaran Almanac(s) and were written by Mystara fans off this list, and is available for free on various sites; the official site is noted below. Other pages can have copies that are either identical or modified for for better use in the page owner's campaign. You should be aware that there are other timelines around, including that from the Principality of Mysteria (derived from the MA but different enough) and Bruce Heard's World in Flames. Of course, use what you prefer from any of these as suits your campaign. _____________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/ Net Almanac: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/9037/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:59:06 CET From: "Herve Musseau" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT From: Mischa E Gelman <<1. Since when can Zandor, a mage, cast clerical spells? Life, death and rebirth are all strictly clerical and should stay that way - the divisions generally aren't exact but this obviously is something mages, especially atheist ones, would be able to deal with.>> He isn't using clerical spells, "just" a Wish. Reread the event, it says "I wish you back to life[...]". Wizards can use a wish to emulate resurrection spells (typical of Alphatians and of Etienne). As for how he got a Wish spell, it's left to individual DMs to decide. Most likely way is that he got a Ring of Wishes from an Alphatian he had his Zargosians allies capture for him (he has them do that to refill his spellbooks, the ring was a bonus), but there are other possibilities. <<2. Raise dead should not work in the HW unless you give a convincing explanation of why the Spell of Preservation broke down this time.>> Spells of resurrection now work in the HW, under the weakened SoP. So it is legal for a Wish to emulate it, if wishes work. Note that it is unclear in the PWAs whether Wishes (and some other spells) work or not. This will be covered in the next almanac (AC 1016). As you have guessed by now, we have Wish work... <> Thank you (from all the team). We enjoyed writing it, I hope you enjoy reading and perusing it. Don't miss the next almanac next year! Bigger, better, faster! (probably, we hope, we pray the Immortals.) _____________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/ Net Almanac: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/9037/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:36:32 CET From: "Herve Musseau" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: Hollow World directions From: David Kronhamn <> hi <> Well, these are just names put on a concept, so you are right, that isn't important. That would become relevant in two cases though: if a visitor from the OW speaks the same language that an HWer (like, say, Milenian), in which case the word that means "east" would suddenly point to the direction he would have naturally have called "west" (the HWer Milenians probably have the two words reversed since they were transfered to the HW, by the Immortals' spell). Also, if you were able to cast a Tongue spell or similar magic (note that it isn't possible under the current spell restrictions in the HW, except for Immortal magic, though if you play a reverse campaign it's possible for an HWer who comes to the OW) then the magic translation will also mislead you. <> Well there are the FC as someone else mentioned. The FC do move, and if many cultures use them to mark the passage of time they probably can to chart their position too. Also remember that the HW has two peculiarities that help in that case even though it's not obvious to us who don't live in a hollow world: because of the curvature of the land there is no horizon but you keep seeing what's beyond until eye limit (which is greater for elves for example, or if you use magic (eagle vision) or technology (spyglass)) so you may be able to spot land or other features from a much greater distance. There is also the fact that the sun is always up, which is a somewhat helpful too. <<(I'm assuming that there is some way to find North and South. Does a compass or similar device work, i.e. is there a magnetic field on the inside of Mystara? Otherwise navigation seems almost impossible.)>> Loadstones didn't work before WotI, they do after (in the HW, they always worked in the OW). This helps only the OWers, as HWers have not been using them for millenia. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:01:19 -0700 From: "Leroy Van Camp III" Subject: [MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] Test Ignore me, its just a test... Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@lesbois.com ICQ #20039817 "Well, it seems the people see you as something of an ogre, sir." "What? Why, I ought to crush them and eat their bones!" The Simpsons *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:46:46 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:54:12 -0500 Andrew Toth wrote.. >> I was wondering how others used the Tarrasque in Mystara. >> >I dunno. What can a Tarrasque do? I don't know what a Tarrasque is, or what >it capable of. It might be the size of cat with nil spell casting ability for >all I know. > >New subject. Ways to stop a Tarrasque. Once I find out what it is first. LOL...It can be found on pp 339 of the Mounstrous Manual or on pp 117 of the Monster Manual II..in short AC -3 mov. 9 rush 15 HD 70 (300 hp) Attacks Claws x2 1-12 Tail 2-24 Bite 5-50 Horns x2 1-10 Size 50' long The bite acts as a sword of sharpness. It inspires terror in things less then 7HD. Immune to fire, electricity, magic missile, and cold Regenerates at 1hp/round...even after it is "dead". +1 weapons or better to hit Originally I think it was something for the players to kill after all the liches on the world were taken care of :) I used it in a campaign as a background event that the PCs took up the challenge of ridding the world of. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:03:15 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: Hollow World directions ><Navigating must be really difficult in the HW or at >least very different, with no stars, moon, or moving >sun. Must be especially tough for seafaring people. >Could someone tell me what it says in the HW Box >about this?>> > >Well there are the FC as someone else mentioned. The FC do move, and if >many cultures use them to mark the passage of time they probably can to >chart their position too. >Also remember that the HW has two peculiarities that help in that case >even though it's not obvious to us who don't live in a hollow world: >because of the curvature of the land there is no horizon but you keep >seeing what's beyond until eye limit (which is greater for elves for >example, or if you use magic (eagle vision) or technology (spyglass)) so >you may be able to spot land or other features from a much greater >distance. There is also the fact that the sun is always up, which is a >somewhat helpful too.< Actually, if you go back and read the ORIGINAL "hollow world" stories -- not oD&D's version, but Edgar Rice Burroughs' Pellucidar novels -- the outer-world characters in that series had a HORRIBLE time, just getting their bearings there! With no sunrise or sunset, no stars, no moon, and even no directional winds (like a cold northern breeze) to guide them, outer-worlders in Pellucidar spend far more time lost, than un-lost. :-) Lucky for the natives, ERB gave Pellucidarians a kind of "internal compass", by which to infallibly find their way back to their home territories ... sort of like a cat that travels miles upon miles to return to its old house, after being taken elsewhere by its (relocating) owners. It's a little late for us to assign HW characters a knack like this, though: plenty of player characters have seen Hollow Worlders get lost, by this late date, and even the published adventures (e.g. the flying serpents' little detour to Nithia in HWA2) contradict this option. The problem with saying that HW folks can look up the curved "horizon", and spot distant landmarks, is that clouds and cumulative atmospheric haze tend to block this view. Certainly, looking straight up to the opposite side of the planet (!) would be impossible, as the central sun is in the way and its brilliance will obscure anything beyond it. The best landmarks that might help someone get oriented in the Hollow World are probably the World's Spine Mountains: they're tall enough that they'd be visible, if only as a textured region of darker ground, hundreds of miles to their north or south. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:03:55 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - penhaligon Trilogy On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Fiona Uebergang wrote: > Greetings from the far south Hello Fiona. > I am a big fan of the tainted sword and would like to know if anybody > knows what the stats are for Flinn, Jo and all the other characters and > the ruiling one the crystals from the venom. Nothing official has been written about this. I was thinking of making something up for you, but its been a while since I read the books. Flinn is probably a 10th+ level Fighter (Knight) and Jo should also be a fighter (low level). > Also i really really want the books so if anybody has a copy of them i > would like to know if we can work something out I only have one copy of each book, and i'd rather keep those, even though I didnt care much for the 2nd and 3rd book. The books can probably be acquired through web shops. (see the Mailing list FAQ/Homepage) > i know this is very demanding but im desperate for stats as none are in > the Karamikos boxed set and i dont have gaz.1 They aren't in Gaz1 either. Do you have any thoughts on what the stats for the characters should be? > I really want to run the knights in my cmapaigne I've used the Order of the Three Suns in my campaign, although i've changed it slightly. IMC, the order's members have to swear loyalty to Arteris and Poverty (all their money goes to the order, which will supplyu them with equipment in return). Only the best knights serving the baroness may join the order. > i know that this has probebely been covered before but help Actually, it hasn't. Hope this helps a litle. :) Håvard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:12:11 -0500 From: Andrew Toth Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque At 05:46 PM 12/29/98 PST, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:54:12 -0500 >Andrew Toth wrote.. > I used it in a campaign as a background event that the PCs took up >the challenge of ridding the world of. > Did they? Beyowlf Steely Blue Dragon -==UDIC==- |/ "Ours is not to reason why, but to blow this joint before we die" -Ratrap, BeastWars *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:03:47 EST From: Mystaros@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia In a message dated 98-12-23 19:52:51 EST, drinkupjonny99 wrote: << 4. What are the Tersian Twelve? >> Excerpted from my Traldar Immortals article... "These Immortals [Asterius, Kagyar, Diulanna, Djaea, Ixion, Khoronus, Ilsundal, Tarastia, Thor, Terra, Tyche and Valerius] are the "Tarsian Twelve" of the Traldar. The home of the Elder Traldar Immortals was believed to be found on Mount Tarsus, the highest peak in the Altan Tepe/Black Peaks/Cruth Mountain Range... Khoronus was the ostensible ruler of the Tarsian Twelve, though Ixion took the lead in many cases. These Immortals are still worshipped in much the same manner [i.e., as a pantheon] by the Traldar peoples of the Hollow World, though the Hero Cults of Halav, Petra and Zirchev are strong there as well." Basically the "Tarsian Twelve" are, IMC, the Mystaran equivalent of the RW "Olympian Twelve" of the ancient Greeks. Tarastia is counted amongst them, as the Immortal Patroness of Justice... Mystaros *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:26:13 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque The Tarrasque is just about the nastiest monster that exists. I haven't used it yet, but I was wondering what the actual history is on the matter. Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:53:31 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarastia Can some send me a link to a page about the history of the Immortals.....like that stuff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:56:32 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - I have a few questions about the MML First off......What does whom ever do with the ideas that are on the list, and Second.....Are these ideas used in colaboration with the almanacs/timeline? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:23:34 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you experts. Is Forresthome part of Old Alphatia? When did the bulk of the modules occur (B1-9), like what years? And, does anyone know where I can get some good maps and stuff for Mystara? Thanx.......I appreciate this...Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:40:35 EST From: Ambreville@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - search option In a message dated 12/29/98 6:31:37 PM Central Standard Time, shawn@leme.anu.edu.au writes: << just a quick note about the latest update of my Mystara homepage. there's now a search option so you can search through all the pages on the site for that which might interest you. >> Hurray! :D Bruce Heard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #766 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Thursday, December 31 1998 Volume 1997 : Number 767 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few questions about the MML Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - List okay? [MYSTARA] - Re: search option Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you experts. Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son Re: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... Re: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son [MYSTARA] - Bad Link? [MYSTARA] - Unique Magic Item (long) [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria [MYSTARA] - Exploring new regions Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria [MYSTARA] - I have a ? [MYSTARA] - It worked Shaun..... Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:43:41 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few questions about the MML >First off......What does whom ever do with the ideas that are on the list, and >Second.....Are these ideas used in colaboration with the almanacs/timeline? Well, the postings (not the discussions) are archived at Shawn Stanley's site: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304 It's a great site for reading up on everyone's Mystara ideas. Yes, I think everyone borrows from the ideas we kick around on the list. But a lot of what everyone does is also original, since we have to adapt for our own campaigns as well. Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:24:41 +0100 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque - --------------75B35F5680104BDCE172AB3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I use the Tarrasque as the ultimate creature. When she's awake, it's time the world down, time of the "géhène", announced in some religions in our world, announced by few in MW, and by noone in HW. Jerry Hovenanian a écrit: > I was woundering how others used the Tarrasque in Mystara. > > - --------------75B35F5680104BDCE172AB3F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the Tarrasque as the ultimate creature. When she's awake, it's time the world down, time of the "géhène", announced in some religions in our world, announced by few in MW, and by noone in HW.

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   I was woundering how others used the Tarrasque in Mystara.
 
 
  - --------------75B35F5680104BDCE172AB3F-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:46:20 +0100 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - List okay? List is OK. Happy new year to you..... and everybody else on the MML. Don't worry about questions and answers, ask and there would be always someone who have to answer for your subjects. Elmoar Hierydyl a écrit: > > Is the list down, or is nobody talking? > > Happy New Year! (Hope everybody survived the Day of Dread) > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:55:43 +1100 From: stan Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: search option >Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:40:35 EST >From: Ambreville@aol.com > ><< just a quick note about the latest update of my Mystara homepage. > there's now a search option so you can search through all the > pages on the site for that which might interest you. >> > >Hurray! :D my own indexing system isn't that bad is it :o( stan http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:09:24 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you experts. "Experts"...? Gosh, I don't know if that's the right word for us Mystara-pundits. "Obsessive/compulsive trivia-buffs" might be more accurate..... ;-) >Is Forresthome part of Old Alphatia? There are several communities of elves (unconnected to Alphatia or Alfhiem, AFAIK; they pre-date the current wave of human colonization) in Norwold. I believe they are collectively called "Foresthomes", just as human outposts in the wilderness are sometimes called "Freeholds". Presumably, each Foresthome has a name of its own, also. This would probably be the name of the elven clan that lives there. >When did the bulk of the modules occur (B1-9), like what years? It's safe to assume that pre-WotI modules take place in the Gazetteer era, i.e. around 1000 AC. The chief exceptions are X10 (supposedly 1200 AC, although Mystaran history's diverged a bit since that ruling); and the "Savage Coast" adventures (X6 and X9, IIRC) which take place in the distant past, when the people of Yavdlom were off living on the Arm of the Immortals, the Red Curse was still confined to a small area by the Herathians (who must've been hiding from the PCs, in that adventure! ;-D), and the Ispan and other Red Steel-style cultures hadn't yet arrived. These are "retroactive" chronologies, of course. The modules were written before "canon" Mystara had grown to include the SC setting. >And, does anyone know where I can get some good maps and stuff for Mystara? There are several maps available in Shawn STANley's Archive, accessible from the MML home page. The MML pages also give a selection of online sources -- Dragon's Trove seems to be the best, IMHO -- for old oD&D products, most (but not all) of which have Mystara-related information in them. >Thanx.......I appreciate this...Mike You're welcome. Any time! :-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:08:27 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. Thanx for the help......How do you peeps get the quotes from the last message to appear like that on the reply. If you understand those incoherent babblings....lol *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:23:28 +0000 From: "Adam Williams" Subject: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son I had the red box set (levels 1 to 3 or 4) a long time ago and played classic D&D. I also had the AD&D Monster manual (most of which could be addopted). I haven't played in years and in many subsequent moves I seem to have lost all my materials. I am wondering if any of this information is available on the Internet (spell lists, monster descriptions, etc...) I remember the basic rules but not the details. Or does anyone in the Grand Rapids, Mi area have some materials they'd like to sell off? What is the status of having scanned materials on TSR's site? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:01:23 -0500 (EST) From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son First off, welcome to the list! More people are always welcome to discuss our favorite game. > haven't played in years and in many subsequent moves I seem to have lost > all my materials. I know the feeling. I lost one of my favorite modules years ago and only lately found a copy to replace it. > I am wondering if any of this information is > available on the Internet (spell lists, monster descriptions, etc...) Very little. Most is probably illegal to have on the 'net, but that doesn't stop some. There is alot of fan-created original stuff along those lines. A good web page for Mystara specifically is http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/ There are pages out there for AD&D or D&D in general that would have fan-produced material. > remember the basic rules but not the details. Or does anyone in the > Grand Rapids, Mi area have some materials they'd like to sell off? Your best bet would be the newsgroup rec.games.frp.marketplace or one of the online gaming stores. The list has several hundred members but they're spread out around the globe and one may not live in your area. If one does, they'll probably reply via private email within a week, but don't hold your breath. > What is the status of having scanned materials on TSR's site? They have a little last I checked. All of GAZ 13 and little else. They seem hesitant to place things there, possibly for financial reasons, perhaps due to a desire to possess these materials should they become "hot" again. I have no insight into the thought process of TSR. I wish they'd put alot more up there. - - Mischa Gelman Senior, School of Social Work University of Pittsburgh G-d put us here to ask, to try to find out the best way possible to live with our neighbors. Of course, you can go through a life not asking, and that's the tragedy:so many lives lived in moral blindness - Dorothy Day *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:21:40 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... Hi everyone, Sorry to bug the list with this one once more, but could someone please give me the newsgroup address of the MMB? the web site access is really doing me in... Thanks in advance (and Happy New Year!), Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:25:56 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son >First off, welcome to the list! More people are always welcome to discuss >our favorite game. Yes, welcome! And same goes to Nurvel, Elmoar, and any other newbies I'm missing. Hey, we're pretty popular! >I have no insight into the thought process of TSR. You're assuming, then, that there *is* one, Mischa??? 8-)~ Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:47:08 +0000 From: "Adam Williams" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Bad Link? I've tried the lint to TSR's mystara page found on the web site and I get a "404 URL no found error" from TSR's web server. Is thier web server broken or have they taken down the material. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:09:01 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Unique Magic Item (long) Ahh, welcome back to all of ye! Most of mine time has been preparing for this Day of Dread, and now that I've dealt with the reprecussions and can relax once again I would like to extend my hand to the new members of this wonderful list! Though relatively new myself, I've recieved a warm welcome and would now like to return the favor and say 'Greetings and welcome'. Today, the lore I wish to give to ye is my blade, Duross. Although I've identified and authenticated that the sword was forged around -118 AC, much of its history is shrouded in mystery, even to one with access to ancient texts such as myself. I discovered it in 886 AC whilst tracking down a demon most foul on it's home plane. It came across a servant of Vanya and in it's twisted desire to inflict pain on the servant of another immortal, gave us the time needed to catch up and engage it. During the battle, my blade was destroyed by the thing and I literally fell upon the remains of some other unfortunate that trekked to that vile place before me. Reflecting back, I feel that Vanya's servant was there for more than one reason, but I took up his blade and it forced me into a battle rage against the demon until it lay defeated. Taking up my charge, I returned to my abode and nursed her back to health. With Vanya's blessing, her servant was granted mortality for one lifetime and we've been together since. Alas, all that is good or evil feels the winds of change. In 913 AC, the incursions of demons began slowly. In the Fall of 915 AC a coordinated attack of fiends collapsed half of my cavern realm and killed countless innocents. With Duross I slew 3 Mountain Fiends in single combat, but too late I discovered their purpose: the former servant of Vanya, my wife Lailia. In blind rage I chased across the planes, slaying good and evil alike in my madness until I encountered the Fiend-lord that held her in bondage. Too weak to prevent his mad schemes I was banished back to Mystara by some relic it possessed. Vanya granted me a vision showing me her servant still lives on, but it shall be my duty to return her to safety. A blood oath, sworn on this blade, remains to this day unfinished. Vengeance shall be mine, so I have sworn. Here then, is the blade Duross, the instrument of my foe's end. Duross, Sword +3 (1d8+3 damage) Duross is a normal sized sword made of the purest silver. Along the blade's length are 2 blood grooves and a pattern of ancient runes inlaid with gold that spell the blade's name. The pommel appears to be a demonic clawed hand grasping a blood stone worth 1,000 gold. The sword has several special abilities, listed below. It constantly Detects Danger 15' radius (as the Druid spell) and grants it's user the ability to Read Languages and Magic (as the Magic-user spells). Against other-planar creatures, Duross gains an additional +2 (for a total of +5 to hit and damage). It inflicts 4x the normal (dice damage only, count modifiers after) damage on evil other-planar creatures. Duross is an intelligent (12) weapon with a strong ego (24). It hates fiends of all kinds and as can be surmised will try to have it's wielder destroy any it comes across unless the wielder has a plan already in motion for the same purpose. The sword is flexible and tries to not put a worthy wielder in a make or break situation if it can help it. (It remembers all the time it spent on the evil plane.) It speaks Nithian, Milenian, Traldar, Dwarf, Elf and a few unknown other languages. Duross is Chaotic (good) that will inflict 2d12 points of damage upon any evil creature trying to wield it and force a Saving Throw versus Paralysis or paralyze the creature for 1d6 rounds. There ye have it, the sketchy details I currently know of this wonder of past ages. Over the years we have become intertwined as would a parent and child, but there be days when I wonder which is which. Without its help and wisdom though, I would have descended fully into the bitterness and madness the grasped when rampaging across the planes. Arminath *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:38:56 +0000 From: "Mike Harvey" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Just curious. Does everyone on this list who plays OD&D play in Mystara, or do some people use OD&D with their own campaign world? I'd also like to hear from anyone who started playing in the early 80s in the Known World, but whose campaign world evolved along different lines than the "canon" TSR material. The reason I am asking is that I am putting together material for a new OD&D campaign, but I don't plan to use the regular Mystara. But has some features I like a lot, so I may borrow or modify sections or entire nations and fit them into my own campaign world. Since I don't have any of the Gazetteers I'm not really missing out on anything, but borrowing elements from Mystara will make it easier and reduce the amount of work I need to do. Anyway, I'm looking for inspiration and wondering what other folks have done along the same lines... Mike - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bing@iccom.com (formerly mike@cs.pdx.edu) Mike Harvey HTTP://www.iccom.com/usrwww/bing/home.html Beaverton, Oregon *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:05:09 +0000 From: "Mike Harvey" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria > B1-9 In Search of Adventure I want B1-9 if it is still available. How much are you asking? Mike - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bing@iccom.com (formerly mike@cs.pdx.edu) Mike Harvey HTTP://www.iccom.com/usrwww/bing/home.html Beaverton, Oregon *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:05:07 +0000 From: "Mike Harvey" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Exploring new regions Another alternative to creating my own campaign world or using a custom version of Mystara is to develop a campaign in a new, previously undeveloped region. This is attractive since all of you could benefit from any development work I do, and also because the existing material would add a lot of history and depth to my campaign. There are several areas I have been thinking about: The area directly north and west of Glantri, including regions like the Denagoth(?) plateau, Essuria, etc. Looks like there is lots of territory up there, room for dozens of new kingdoms, perhaps even the ruins of a lost empire. There is also lots of potential for interactions with Hule, Glantri, and Norwold. The Midlands of Brun. On the world map in the RC this area is shown as a vast forest with steppes to the south and an inland sea to the north. Lots of potential for new development. The coastlands to the west of the Sind, and north of the Serpent peninsula. The names and maps of this region look cool. It would let me play with deserts and the savage baronies without getting mixed up with the Red Curse (which doesn't appeal to me). Skothar: the Steppes of Jen and the Jennite Sword. This area is very far removed from the Known World, especially after the sinking of Alphatia. However it is a blank slate.... or is it? Have any of these areas been detailed, either in TSR supplements or homemade gazetteers? I want to avoid TSR-developed areas since they are generally inaccessible, but I could make good use of homemade net material (and add to it). Mike - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bing@iccom.com (formerly mike@cs.pdx.edu) Mike Harvey HTTP://www.iccom.com/usrwww/bing/home.html Beaverton, Oregon *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:33:02 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Ahh, well then Mike, maybe ye'r looking for something in particular? I'm sure that all of us here are full of volumes of knowledge of canon and non- canon material from our years of adventures. Arminath *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:45:09 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 Arminath@aol.com wrote: > Ahh, well then Mike, maybe ye'r looking for something in particular? I'm > sure that all of us here are full of volumes of knowledge of canon and non- > canon material from our years of adventures. I have pages and pages of stuff from a huge political D&D game bewteen empires on Davania. That was interesting, until we started to massively powergame. Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:01:34 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... I personally don't play OD&D, but i will help you with ideas.....let me know what kind of info you want...........Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:03:26 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria I have B1-9 In Search of Adventure....but i don't want to sell it.......I want to swap things with peeps...either hand typed or scanned.........not for sale though....it's market value ( last i checked), is about $100 bones. Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:06:59 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Has anyone considered the rumors of whether or not King Stephan Karameikos is in fact Halav reborn. I am curious because I have some theories on the subject, is anyone interested. I would like to actually make something canon for the future of Mystara. Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:17:58 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - It worked Shaun..... Sorry if your name is misspelled. I have to select all of the text then i can transfer it to a document. Thanx dude...you have good stuff on your page. i am going to start a page for my fav........Karameikos. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:54:26 +0100 From: Frank Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... Hi! The Newshost is tsronline.wizards.com and the newsgroup is called tsr.oop.mystara. Hope this helps and a Happy New Year to everybody too! Frank Jennifer Favia wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Sorry to bug the list with this one once more, but > could someone please give me the newsgroup address of > the MMB? the web site access is really doing me in... > > Thanks in advance (and Happy New Year!), > > Jenn > > Explore Dark Myst Manor! > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:20:57 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:26:13 EST Nurvel@aol.com wrote >The Tarrasque is just about the nastiest monster that exists. I haven't used >it yet, but I was wondering what the actual history is on the matter. Mike and on Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:12:11 -0500 Andrew Toth wrote >> I used it in a campaign as a background event that the PCs took up >>the challenge of ridding the world of. > > >Did they? Well here is my history of how it happened... 6000 BC - Immortals of Entropy create the Tarrasque in order to spread chaos and death. Thanatos, Dagar(now dead), and Quarz (also dead) were blamed by other immortals for it. but this was never proven. 5800 BC - The Tarrasque wipes out an entire island of Oltecs. Many Immortals try to stop it but it feeds on pure Entropy. 5400 BC - The Tarrasque destroys and Oltec village and a temple of an Immortal named Azta who was angered. She could not distroy the beast but she could take revenge on its creators. She killed Dagar but died herself killing Quarz. Thanatos was now the happiest immortal, not only had his creation killed many people but it was responsible for the death of 3 immortals. 5200 - The Tarrasque continues its wrath Staying active for 2 3400 BC months of killing then sleeping for 200 years or so. 3400 BC Blackmoor meets the Tarrasque and with all there advances can only drive it off, not kill it. 3200 - The Tarrasque continues its wrath. Staying active for 2 2000 BC months of killing then sleeping for 200 years or so. 1800 BC Nithia suffers at the hands of the Tarrasque. Realizing that their bronze weapons wouldn't even scratch the beast they start making them out of iron from then on. 1600 BC The Dwarves in the Northern Reaches Have a run-in with the beast. They survive buy staying underground. 1400 - The Tarrasque continues its wrath. Staying active for 2 1000 BC months of killing then sleeping for 200 years or so. 800 BC The Alphatian are attacked and drive the beast south. 600 BC The Tarrasque attacks the Milenians. 400 BC The Tarrasque continues its wrath. Staying active for 2 - -600 AC months of killing then sleeping for 200 years or so staying on Davania. 810 AC It swims from the Hinterlands and settles down on the Isle of Dawn for a nap. ********************************************************************* The timeline above can be used in almost any campaign to get the Tarrasque into Mystara from 1000 AC - 1020 AC. what follows is what happened IMC. 1014 AC The monster is awoken and starts to feed. A Glantrian mage, remembering his course in planar physics form the mage school remembered rule #1: Never EVER put 2 extradimential spaces inside of each other. He and his friends quested for 2 bags of holding and made a contraption that would drop one into the other when the rope was severed by a magic missile. 1015 AC There is a very upset Tarrasque wandering around the Etheral Plane :) >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:59:24 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? In a message dated 1998-12-31 01:08:50 Eastern Standard Time, Nurvel@aol.com writes: > Has anyone considered the rumors of whether or not King Stephan Karameikos > is in fact Halav reborn. I am curious because I have some theories on the > subject, is anyone interested. I would like to actually make something > canon for the future of Mystara. Mike Congratulations on being contracted to write something for TSR/WotC. That is the only way anything you write could be "canon" of course. Assuming that this did not happen, please feel free to tell us your "heresy" -- any sort of reasonable speculation is welcome. As to Stefan Karameikos being the reincarnation of Halav, that is the belief of the Cult of Halav, which is believed by 95+% of the population of Karameikos to be totally nuts. I have seen no evidence supporting their position, but it would be wild if these lunatics turned out to be correct in their bizarre beliefs. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #767 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Friday, January 1 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 768 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... [MYSTARA] - Happy 1999 Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? [MYSTARA] - Newmont 1, 1016 Re: [MYSTARA] - Newmont 1, 1016 Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? [MYSTARA] - Non-Immortal Bad Guys Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:12:44 EST From: Ambreville@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A prodigal son In a message dated 12/30/98 3:27:20 PM Central Standard Time, valerya@hotmail.com writes: << >I have no insight into the thought process of TSR. You're assuming, then, that there *is* one, Mischa??? >> ROFL! I'd say it's pretty... well, *organic*. I'll leave it at that! :D Bruce Heard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:49:10 EST From: Ambreville@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... In a message dated 12/31/98 4:20:35 AM Central Standard Time, fwils@utrecht.kvk.nl writes: << The Newshost is tsronline.wizards.com and the newsgroup is called tsr.oop.mystara. Hope this helps and a Happy New Year to everybody too! Frank Jennifer Favia wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Sorry to bug the list with this one once more, but > could someone please give me the newsgroup address of > the MMB? the web site access is really doing me in... > > Thanks in advance (and Happy New Year!), > > Jenn >> Just tried it. Seems to be (still) working. Amazing, eh! :o) Bruce Heard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:06:28 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? I know what canon means as far as TSR goes. I meant that i would like it to be considered in the damn Mystara timeline. I'm not dumb whoever. I'm kinda shy about showing peeps my work. My ideas are great, creativity great, but my writing skills as far as being an author aren't too great. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:28:14 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... How exactly can you get to those Tsr newsgroups.......I'm still new to the net..... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Tarrasque On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Jerry Hovenanian wrote: > now the happiest immortal, not only had his creation killed > many people but it was responsible for the death of 3 > immortals. I can only picture Thanatos sitting there morose as ever on this occurrence, then upon hearing the news, cracking on the hint of a smile for a tenth of a second. Ethan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 Nurvel@aol.com wrote: > I know what canon means as far as TSR goes. I meant that i would like it to > be considered in the damn Mystara timeline. I'm not dumb whoever. I'm kinda There isn't "one" mystaran Timeline anymore. In fact, in the eyes of a person from a place such as Toril, The entire Mystaran Dimension is trapped in a complete time stop centered on exactly 11:59:59 Kaldmont 28, AC 1013 (by the Thyatian Calendar). The timelines out there are how things might have been. Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:13:24 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? >I know what canon means as far as TSR goes. I meant that i would like it to >be considered in the damn Mystara timeline. I'm not dumb whoever. I'm kinda >shy about showing peeps my work. My ideas are great, creativity great, but my >writing skills as far as being an author aren't too great. I for one would love to see your work; and I've never met a Mystaran yet who's dumb, although sometimes folks aren't as polite as they could be. Don't worry about the "canon"/"non-canon" thing. It's a little bit of a touchy term, but there was certainly no reason for you to be flamed. The MML is a place for _everyone's_ ideas. Happy New Year, Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:15:15 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Redundant question... >How exactly can you get to those Tsr newsgroups.......I'm still new to the >net..... Well, from what everyone's said, the newsgroup is at tsr.oop.mystara ...But you can also go through the ichat message boards online (you have to register ut its free. It's a little slow to load, but it's interesting. Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:27:16 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Happy 1999 Happy New Year Peeps.......................... A happy 1999 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:30:56 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? O.k. Sorry about that...The Day of Dread messed me up a bit. Thanks for the props.............Happy New Year to all Mystarans out there. I'm going off to see the King of Karameikos....:)...Mike...........P.S. would someone explain to me how to use quotes from a previous mailer.... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:35:37 PST From: "Elmoar Hierydyl" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? >> Has anyone considered the rumors of whether or not King Stephan Karameikos >> is in fact Halav reborn. I am curious because I have some theories on the >> subject, is anyone interested. I would like to actually make something >> canon for the future of Mystara. Mike > >Congratulations on being contracted to write something for TSR/WotC. >That is the only way anything you write could be "canon" of course. >Assuming that this did not happen, please feel free to tell us your >"heresy" -- any sort of reasonable speculation is welcome. You know, I had to email someone privately to find out what "canon"/"non-canon" and "heresy" are, as I'm new to the list. I think that what Mike meant was that he wanted to write something to share with everyone. I think it's pretty rude to be so sarcastic with someone when they're just trying to get a feel for this list. Mike, I'd really like to see your ideas for the Cult of Halav. EH Arch-Mage of Vyalia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:15:29 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? IMC the Good King Stephan HAS in fact been proven to be Halav reborn. Using the mortal identity of Stephan Karameikos, these are the events of major importance that were used IMC tomake events seem plausible: 1) Halav creates a mortal identity in the ruling region (Thyatis), gets close to the Emperorer over a period of years and eventually buys the Traldar lands. 2) Realizing that he cannot reveal his plans too soon, Stephan/Halav imposes a fair rule over Thyatin and Traldar alike, to forge the two peoples into one, creating a new golden age for the descendants for his people. While this causes some bruising of Thyatin pride and hardships on outlying Traldar families, Stephan/Halav knows his limitations and deals as best as he can. (The Cult of Halav, while not openly encouraged by the King, is NOT discouraged either) 3) Events during WotI give Stephan/Halav the opening to act and he breaks from the Empire. 4) With Karameikos prospering, the two peoples are beginning to think of them selves not as Traldar and Thyatian poeples, but as Karameikans. The Kingdom is slowly moving towards the next Golden Age that was predicted. Stephan/Halav has insured of continuing prosperity with his daughter's choice of a husband. (Note that the references of the King being unaware of Ludwig's transgressions may be in error. Either he chose to wait it out, maybe to give the Traldar and Thyatians a rallying point to begin unifying them, or another immortal was interfering in those affairs. My own PC's are about to find out what the story really is!) Just the bare bones, but there it is, open for you to see. Arminath *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: [MYSTARA] - Newmont 1, 1016 Good tidings to all the Alphatians on their 2016th year on Mystara! Happy 1016 to you all you users of the Thyatian calendar! And a very happy Day-after-the-day-of-dread to all the Shadow elves out there! Zodiak Mentrix Headmaster of the Thimhallan school of Theoretical and Applied Magics. - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:29:08 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Newmont 1, 1016 Well, speaking for myself and the very few other Elves of the World Below I know, thanks to ye Zodiak for remembering us on this holiday. As for me, I think the coming year will be interesting, to say the least. Arminath *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:36:03 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I also had to find out what the difference between canon and non-canon was. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Thanx for the props...i have the ideas in my head just haven't really had the time to type them up. I always think of the stuff at work. i am also working on a web page for Karameikos, so that is taking up my time too. I love Karameikos, it's the best place in Mystara. Thanx for the support. Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:04:50 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Non-Immortal Bad Guys I forget who brought up the subject of needing bad guys for their campaign, but does anyone remember the Oard? On this past Day of Dread they struck one of my human companion's very home, taking some mundane objects of apparent little value. Since they are a technology-based civilization, the dead-magics of the day didn't seem to affect them. If someone is looking for a non- immortal adversary for their campaign, my player suggests that ye try them. Some days I wish he'd quit giving the Dungeon Master of my world so much advice and help... Arminath - "The heart of a creature never changes Shellia, whether it still beats within the breast or not. Please leave me not..." Shellia - "I have to...remember me and I'll not ever leave you in spirit and we'll be one again when your time is upon you. Hold me and let my last feeling be your warmth and love." (The last exchange between Arminath and Shellia, a human mage infected with Vampirism. The player had decided in the interests of keeping the game balanced the character should be sacrificed for the good of the group. The DM painted a very touching and dignified scene of her final sunrise, so much that it sticks in my mind over anything I've accomplished with this character over the years. Though myself and Terri were not involved, the characters were practically made for each other. Arminath's heart was heavy for many decades after that.) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:02:09 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Your ideas actually would help reinforce mine. I think that Stephan/Halav will be revealed when ready, and that there will be a golden age. But there is a big reason for all of this too. Halav knows what will happen in the future, kinda like a big war or whatnot. My theory is that Karameikos is the soul(essence) of Halav but he doesn't know this. Then when the time is right for Halav, he will start sending visions to the King to do certain things. Finally the body and mind (halav) will join with Karameikos and then the peeps of Karameikos will eventually learn. I really like your ideas on the matter. This is just a little theory of mine. He is also going to establish a new order of Knights in the land....maybe even attempting to unite the two churches (highly unlikely though). Sorry if my grammer isn't good, but i really don't bother with it on email. Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:32:53 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? Some very interesting ideas Mike, but if the land itself is a part of Halav, what then of Petra, or especially Zirchev, their nature Immortal? Arminath *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:37:34 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? In a message dated 1/1/99 2:35:04 AM Central Standard Time, Arminath@aol.com writes: << Some very interesting ideas Mike, but if the land itself is a part of Halav, what then of Petra, or especially Zirchev, their nature Immortal? Arminath >> i didn't mean the land of Karameikos....I meant Stephan Karameikos....sorry to everyone so that they don't get confused. My bad. Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:59:20 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? In a message dated 1998-12-31 21:32:15 Eastern Standard Time, Nurvel@aol.com writes: > P.S. would someone explain > to me how to use quotes from a previous mailer.... With AOL 4.0, it is quite easy. While reading the message, use your mouse to highlight the portion of the message that you wish to respond to -- hold down the left mouse button at the beginning of the text, drag the cursor to the end of the text, and then release the left mouse button. Then click "Reply All" and a new message window will pop up, with the "Send To:" field filled in (delete any duplicate entries), the subject set to "Re: ", and a message body that consists of the quoted text. You may now complete your message by typing in text around the quoted text. You may break it up and insert comments within if you use "Internet style quoting" or if you add the appropriate punctuation as needed. When you are done, click "Send". If you are using version 3.0, most of the above should still work, although a few minor details may differ. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:59:19 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? In a message dated 1998-12-31 19:28:41 Eastern Standard Time, eand@WPI.EDU writes: > There isn't "one" mystaran Timeline anymore. In fact, in the eyes of a > person from a place such as Toril, The entire Mystaran Dimension is > trapped in a complete time stop centered on exactly 11:59:59 Kaldmont 28, > AC 1013 (by the Thyatian Calendar). > > The timelines out there are how things might have been. Of course, for those of you who are familiar with _Torg_, that could be the moment that Mystara fractured into multiple Dimensions, in each of which events unfold slightly differently. This would be a more massive fracturing than the one that evidently occurred in 1001-1003 AC, when one timeline somehow headed off the WotI war and remained relatively unchanged for two hundred years while in the other all hell broke loose. Incidentally, are there any known points of correspondence between the timeline of Mystara and that of any AD&D world? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:59:21 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? In a message dated 1998-12-31 21:36:44 Eastern Standard Time, vyalia@hotmail.com writes: > You know, I had to email someone privately to find out what > "canon"/"non-canon" and "heresy" are, as I'm new to the list. I think > that what Mike meant was that he wanted to write something to share with > everyone. I think it's pretty rude to be so sarcastic with someone when > they're just trying to get a feel for this list. Mike, I'd really like > to see your ideas for the Cult of Halav. Sorry, but I assumed that when the original poster mentioned "canon" he thought he knew what he was talking about. The first part of my response was meant to clear up the apparent misconception, and the second part expressed an interest in what he had to say. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I have no idea what a word means I would either avoid using it or I would ask what it means -- I would not use it in such a way that I have no idea what I am saying. I guess a politer way to say it would have been, "Forget about what you are writing being 'canon' -- it isn't -- but post it anyway -- new ideas are always welcome." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 05:05:56 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a ? i figured the quoting thing out...Thanx ...Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 04:35:51 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:59:19 EST Kaviyd@aol.com wrote >Incidentally, are there any known points of correspondence between the >timeline of Mystara and that of any AD&D world? In the Planewalkers Handbook it refers to: The Fallen Empire of Alphitia (sometime before the NAE..maybe 1011?) The The Summer of Chaos just happened on Krynn(Dragonlance)(383 AC) "Recently" the githyanki invaded Athas(Dark Sun) that event happened in 190th Kink Age in Silt's Vengeance or Free Year 6 I belive the date for the start of Planescape is the 23 Year of Factol Hashkar of The Fraternity of Order the Planewalkers Handbook would have taken place a year or two after that. Hope that helps a bit. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:43:14 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... > Don't worry about it--you didn't know. We're a pretty friendly lot here; > we won't draw and quarter you on the first mistake! ;-)) > > Jenn But wait and see, what Jenn would do to you on your second mistake... :-) Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #768 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Saturday, January 2 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 769 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. Re: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:03:21 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions > A related issue: > Navigating must be really difficult in the HW or at > least very different, with no stars, moon, or moving > sun. Must be especially tough for seafaring people. > Could someone tell me what it says in the HW Box > about this? > > (I'm assuming that there is some way to find North and > South. Does a compass or similar device work, i.e. > is there a magnetic field on the inside of Mystara? > Otherwise navigation seems almost impossible.) > > Comments, please. No compass in the Hollow World! The seafarers have to navigate after the Floating Continents. These are land masses of various sizes, from small island inside the skyshield (the atmosphere) to real big ones outside (like Alphatia). The circling around the inner sun in measurable orbits. Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:09:34 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... > Fear not--I'm still knee-deep in heresy! Well, no matter. The pope in Rome is still esteeming me a heretic just for my religion. OTOH I'm too polite to say what I esteem him, at least at this forum... Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:12:41 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT > He isn't using clerical spells, "just" a Wish. Reread the event, it says > "I wish you back to life[...]". Wizards can use a wish to emulate > resurrection spells (typical of Alphatians and of Etienne). > As for how he got a Wish spell, it's left to individual DMs to decide. > Most likely way is that he got a Ring of Wishes from an Alphatian he had > his Zargosians allies capture for him (he has them do that to refill his > spellbooks, the ring was a bonus), but there are other possibilities. > > Spells of resurrection now work in the HW, under the weakened SoP. So it > is legal for a Wish to emulate it, if wishes work. > Note that it is unclear in the PWAs whether Wishes (and some other > spells) work or not. This will be covered in the next almanac (AC 1016). > As you have guessed by now, we have Wish work... Or has Zandor used an artifact to WISH Ramose back in life? This of course would work. I'm wondering what the acessibility of the Wish would mean for our AD&D friends? I'm not too used to the rules... Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:19:03 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. > "Experts"...? Gosh, I don't know if that's the right word for us > Mystara-pundits. "Obsessive/compulsive trivia-buffs" might be more > accurate..... ;-) > > >Is Forresthome part of Old Alphatia? > > There are several communities of elves (unconnected to Alphatia or Alfhiem, > AFAIK; they pre-date the current wave of human colonization) in Norwold. I > believe they are collectively called "Foresthomes", just as human outposts > in the wilderness are sometimes called "Freeholds". > > Presumably, each Foresthome has a name of its own, also. This would > probably be the name of the elven clan that lives there. We should mention the "Kingdom of Foresthome". This realm is indeed a part of the Alphatian Empire. And under http://members.aol.com/JamugaKhan an gazetteer for Foresthome can be found. Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:44:01 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Jamuga Khan wrote: >But wait and see, what Jenn would do to you on your second mistake... :-) Hush!...The Chamber of Infinite Tortures is a closely-guarded secret!... :-) Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:18:55 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT In a message dated 1999-01-01 12:30:00 Eastern Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: > I'm wondering what the acessibility of the Wish would mean for > our AD&D friends? I'm not too used to the rules... The Wish spell would be more readily available but would be used much less freely by those who have access to it. In D&D, the Wish spell is available only to mages of level 33+ (whereas other 9th level spells are available to mages of level 21+). In AD&D, the Wish spell is available as any other 9th level spell but ages the caster five years when it is cast, whereas no spell in D&D ages the caster. Under either rule system, an intelligence of 18+ is required to cast a Wish spell -- although this requirement is a specific requirement for the Wish spell in D&D and a general requirement for 9th level spells in AD&D. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:18:53 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence In a message dated 1999-01-01 07:43:27 Eastern Standard Time, clumsydwarf@hotmail.com writes: > In the Planewalkers Handbook it refers to: > The Fallen Empire of Alphitia (sometime before the NAE..maybe 1011?) > The The Summer of Chaos just happened on Krynn(Dragonlance)(383 AC) > > "Recently" the githyanki invaded Athas(Dark Sun) that event happened in > 190th Kink Age in Silt's Vengeance or Free Year 6 > > I belive the date for the start of Planescape is the 23 Year of Factol > Hashkar of The Fraternity of Order the Planewalkers Handbook would have > taken place a year or two after that. > > Hope that helps a bit. It definitely does, although more as a lower limit than anything else. Unless Alphatia was referred to as recently fallen (was it?), then all we know is that the Mystaran date concurrent with the "present" in Sigil is later than 1009 AC -- and this is confirmed by the presence in Sigil of somebody wearing red steel armor (available only from the Savage Coast, and in very limited supply prior to this same date). How much later, of course, will probably remain a permanently unanswered question. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:18:56 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions In a message dated 1999-01-01 12:30:00 Eastern Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: > No compass in the Hollow World! That is something else that was changed by the weakening of the Spell of Preservation -- lodestones (the basis of compasses) now point towards the nearest polar opening. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:42:16 +1300 From: Richard Vowles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1999-01-01 12:30:00 Eastern Standard Time, > JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: > > > I'm wondering what the acessibility of the Wish would mean for > > our AD&D friends? I'm not too used to the rules... > > The Wish spell would be more readily available but would be used > much less freely by those who have access to it. In D&D, the Wish > spell is available only to mages of level 33+ (whereas other 9th level > spells are available to mages of level 21+). In AD&D, the Wish spell > is available as any other 9th level spell but ages the caster five years > when it is cast, whereas no spell in D&D ages the caster. Under > either rule system, an intelligence of 18+ is required to cast a Wish > spell -- although this requirement is a specific requirement for the > Wish spell in D&D and a general requirement for 9th level spells in > AD&D. This is quite interesting - I have watched with interest the postings of the group who are doing the Almanac - and with the recent Zandor Wish it must mean that he has an 18+ intelligence (I'm sure if I checked the DotE it would say he does). But I always wondered why does he often act so stupidly? SO I looked it up - Wisdom of 6. Richard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Jerry Hovenanian wrote: > The Fallen Empire of Alphitia (sometime before the NAE..maybe 1011?) Not quite. The Old Alphatian Lands are to be found in a seperate plane than Mystara, and in a quite different Dimension than any of the AD&D worlds. With that said, Old Alphatia Fell at the height of the Flame/Air war about 2016 years ago, when the Alphatian homeworld moved most surrepitously to Mystara. Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: > spell -- although this requirement is a specific requirement for the > Wish spell in D&D and a general requirement for 9th level spells in > AD&D. Interesting. Do tell, is the Almanac written to conform to the holy laws of D&D, or those profane AD&D writs? Ethan - You can tell which system *I* play :) - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:57:34 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... In a message dated 1/1/99 11:30:00 AM Central Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: << > Don't worry about it--you didn't know. We're a pretty friendly lot here; > we won't draw and quarter you on the first mistake! ;-)) > > Jenn But wait and see, what Jenn would do to you on your second mistake... :-) Jamuga Khan >> Thanks for the self esteem bonus Oh mighty Khan.....lol..................How did you become khan anyway...............................next year......i see thanx......eheheheheheheheheh lol Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:00:59 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. In a message dated 1/1/99 11:33:07 AM Central Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: << We should mention the "Kingdom of Foresthome". This realm is indeed a part of the Alphatian Empire. >> I think I found it on your page.....your mightiness :) but wasn't the part of Alphatia that sank.............That was what I originally tried to figure out Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:48:32 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Points of Correspondence On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:48:55 -0500 (EST) SteelAngel Wrote... >On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Jerry Hovenanian wrote: > >> The Fallen Empire of Alphitia (sometime before the NAE..maybe 1011?) > >Not quite. The Old Alphatian Lands are to be found in a seperate plane >than Mystara, and in a quite different Dimension than any of the AD&D >worlds. > >With that said, Old Alphatia Fell at the height of the Flame/Air war about >2016 years ago, when the Alphatian homeworld moved most surrepitously to >Mystara. In the Planewalkers Handbook it is very clear that they are talking about the fall of the Alphitian Empire on Mystara, not Old Alphitia. It it under a part about Mystara that also mentions Glantri. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:30:38 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT In a message dated 1999-01-01 18:59:21 Eastern Standard Time, eand@WPI.EDU writes: > Interesting. Do tell, is the Almanac written to conform to the holy laws > of D&D, or those profane AD&D writs? The first two were written for D&D, the next two were written for AD&D. The Net Almanacs seem to be system independent, as so far I have read only events and not game statistics. If I am wrong, my apologies for not reading more carefully. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:03:54 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT At 17.18 01/01/99 EST, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: >The Wish spell would be more readily available but would be used >much less freely by those who have access to it. In D&D, the Wish >spell is available only to mages of level 33+ (whereas other 9th level >spells are available to mages of level 21+). In AD&D, the Wish spell >is available as any other 9th level spell but ages the caster five years >when it is cast, whereas no spell in D&D ages the caster. Can the caster use the wish to rejuvenate himself of, say, 10 year? I guess you can see what's my point ;-) ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560 ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:48:56 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT In a message dated 1999-01-02 09:06:41 Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it writes: > Can the caster use the wish to rejuvenate himself of, say, 10 year? > I guess you can see what's my point ;-) In D&D he certainly can -- in AD&D it is less certain, and I would probably disallow it except on Mystara, where Wishes clearly are used for that purpose. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #769 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Sunday, January 3 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 770 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Fwd: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Fwd: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you [MYSTARA] - [OT] MML stats [MYSTARA] - [IP] Benekander Re: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Benekander [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Benekander & An Adventure! [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Benekander & An Adventure! Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: > In D&D he certainly can -- in AD&D it is less certain, and I would > probably disallow it except on Mystara, where Wishes clearly are > used for that purpose. Or he could suck down a few potions of Longevity. Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:26:48 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_915326809_boundary Content-ID: <0_915326809@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 1/2/99 2:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kaviyd@aol.com writes: << > Can the caster use the wish to rejuvenate himself of, say, 10 year? > I guess you can see what's my point ;-) >> IMC I allow a wish to add a maximum of 1d10 years to the caster's life, but each wish has a cumulative 5% chance of warping and removing all the wished years. Such are the whims of the Immortals... Arminath - --part0_915326809_boundary Content-ID: <0_915326809@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (rly-ya04.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.196]) by air-ya05.mx.aol.com (v55.5) with SMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:56:11 -0500 Received: from phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (Phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM [206.66.87.5]) by rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA25523; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23492; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:52:21 -0500 Received: by lists.MPGN.COM (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:51:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23457 for mystara-l-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:50:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM: majordom set sender to owner-mystara-l@lists.MPGN.COM using -f Received: from Mithril.MPGN.COM (Mithril.MPGN.COM [206.66.87.8]) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23450 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:50:43 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Mithril.MPGN.COM (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA20377 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:50:12 -0500 From: Kaviyd@aol.com Received: from Kaviyd@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QGWSa20553 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:48:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d0b5498.368e7828@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:48:56 EST To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Sender: owner-mystara-l@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM Reply-To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1999-01-02 09:06:41 Eastern Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it writes: > Can the caster use the wish to rejuvenate himself of, say, 10 year? > I guess you can see what's my point ;-) In D&D he certainly can -- in AD&D it is less certain, and I would probably disallow it except on Mystara, where Wishes clearly are used for that purpose. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - --part0_915326809_boundary-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:11:04 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT In a message dated 1/2/99 7:29:59 PM Central Standard Time, Arminath@aol.com writes: << IMC I allow a wish to add a maximum of 1d10 years to the caster's life, but each wish has a cumulative 5% chance of warping and removing all the wished years. Such are the whims of the Immortals... Arminath >> I like that, but can a caster wish him/her self younger? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you >>Is Forresthome part of Old Alphatia? Sharon wrote: >There are several communities of elves (unconnected to Alphatia or Alfhiem, >AFAIK; they pre-date the current wave of human colonization) in Norwold. I >believe they are collectively called "Foresthomes", just as human outposts >in the wilderness are sometimes called "Freeholds". There is also the Kingdom of Foresthome on Greater Alphatia (the continent, not the old planet that blew up). It lies north of Bettellyn, and south of Floating Ar/Ambur. Jamuga Khan did some excellent work detailling more of this nation. Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:30:59 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... >I have pages and pages of stuff from a huge political D&D game bewteen >empires on Davania. That was interesting, until we started to massively >powergame. > >Ethan Really? Would you mind sharing this, even over private email? Geoff P.S. Happy New Year, everyone! :-) - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:11:59 EST From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_915340320_boundary Content-ID: <0_915340320@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 1/2/99 11:13:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nurvel@aol.com writes: << I like that, but can a caster wish him/her self younger? >> Yes he can, but he actually reverses the aging process, becoming younger and more importantly, less experienced. The amount of experience lost is proportioned to how much the character has and how old he is. Obviously most mage types increase their longevity and augment their attributes by magical means, if they think long term. Arminath - --part0_915340320_boundary Content-ID: <0_915340320@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v55.5) with SMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:13:32 -0500 Received: from phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (Phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM [206.66.87.5]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id XAA25321; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03539; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:13:43 -0500 Received: by lists.MPGN.COM (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:12:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03498 for mystara-l-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:12:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM: majordom set sender to owner-mystara-l@lists.MPGN.COM using -f Received: from Mithril.MPGN.COM (Mithril.MPGN.COM [206.66.87.8]) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03491 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:12:14 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Mithril.MPGN.COM (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA25786 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:11:43 -0500 From: Nurvel@aol.com Received: from Nurvel@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UFOBa20555 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:11:04 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:11:04 EST To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Kaldmont 28 special: HW 1015 alm. supp.: KALDMONT X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Sender: owner-mystara-l@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM Reply-To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/99 7:29:59 PM Central Standard Time, Arminath@aol.com writes: << IMC I allow a wish to add a maximum of 1d10 years to the caster's life, but each wish has a cumulative 5% chance of warping and removing all the wished years. Such are the whims of the Immortals... Arminath >> I like that, but can a caster wish him/her self younger? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - --part0_915340320_boundary-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:06:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... At 12:08 PM 12/27/98 +0100, you wrote: >>> no longer Than Athos, >>>HE has become the IMMORTAL THANATOS, bringer of DEATH. >> >> Wasn't Thanatos around before Blackmoor? I seem to remember the >> Burrowers (HW) from *much* earlier. >> >> Jenn Hello! :) I just signed up to the mailing list and decided to jump right in. I've been playing AD&D since 1981, but only started enjoying OD&D Mystara in January 1994. Though I have much more experience with the AD&D style, OD&D Mystara has won my favour, hands-down. It's wonderful fantasy setting, colourful details, and in-depth NPC characters out-weighs the importance of game mechanics which is a predominate detail with the AD&D style of gaming. Because of this, OD&D gets down to what, I feel, is really important: the story. To me, it's the old issue of Role-Playing vs. Roll-Playing. Nevertheless, I respect everyone's opinion and am only letting you know my take on things ahead of time before replying to Jenn, or replying to other messages or commenting later. :) It's funny. I've tried twice before to reply to Jenn on this list but my mailings never made it due to either my own computer screwing up, or my own incompetence in knowing how to use Hotmail.com properly. In anycase, I hope this one gets away fine. :) Now, to get right to the point, Jenn you're absolutely correct. Thanatos existed *much* earlier than Blackmoor. In fact, as a Primordial, Thanatos came in to being when the universe formed. His Immortality wasn't attained through heroic achievement or accident, as is the case for most Prime Plane Immortals. Instead, through the need of the universe at it's birth, the personae of Death (if you can call Death a personae) arose. Because of this, Thanatos would have existed well before the current Age or Epoch of Mystara, and will no doubt exist in to the next Age in whatever form the universe decides to weild him. The Dragons and Fae, also claim to also be as old as the universe, though they argue one is older than the other. Primordials, such as Ordana, Hel, and Tempus Fugit (say hi to Shakespeare), on the other hand, have no interest in arguing this and simply state they came in to being alongside the universe. So, as you can see, the period of Blackmoor's existance doesn't come even close to that point in time when Thanatos, and the other Primordials, began their existance. Unfortunately, in the other two Emails, I gave a long type-up on my understanding of Primordials and the Immortals but I don't want my computer to seize up on me again and lose all of what I had typed, so I'll send what I have now. Perhaps, another time, I can send to the mailing list my perspective on such things. In the meantime, it's good to be here and see so many other Mystara enthusiasts around. Cheers! :) Brad AKA Caladen, Elf Friend - the Forestor...who became, Caladen, the Immortal...who became, Khaladhen, the Fae. (A story of my solo OD&D Mystara game that began in 94', and continues to this day.) P.S.: As for the Burrowers...ICK! Nasty critters! Are you familiar with The Devourer? ;) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:41:47 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... >>>> no longer Than Athos, >>>>HE has become the IMMORTAL THANATOS, bringer of DEATH. Apart from the fact that Thanatos pre-dates Blackmoor ... is it really correct, to equate the hivebrood with Thanatos? They are living creatures, AFAIK, and have much more in common with Star Trek's Borg than with anything about the universal annihilation of life! Indeed, one could argue that the hivebrood KEEP beings from dying utterly and without a trace: if a hivemind eats someone who's died, their memories and skills are retained by the hive-community and thus "resurrected" anew, for as long as the hive continues to hand them back and forth. It's not that the hivebrood aren't nasty -- I play Shadowrun too, and insect spirits give me the creeps! -- but it seems like they'd be rather counterproductive, so far as Thanatos' goals of multiversal oblivion and extinction are concerned. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:33:18 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you In a message dated 1/2/99 10:30:05 PM Central Standard Time, au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes: << There is also the Kingdom of Foresthome on Greater Alphatia (the continent, not the old planet that blew up). It lies north of Bettellyn, and south of Floating Ar/Ambur. Jamuga Khan did some excellent work detailling more of this nation. Right, but didn't part of Alphatia sink.......what i'm getting at is....whether or not the Kingdom of Foresthome was on the part that sank........ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:21:31 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: [MYSTARA] - [OT] MML stats Given the large number of newbies, I decided to ask majordomo how many people were subscribed to the MML. We currently (3 Jan 1999 06:15:34 -0500) have: 179 subscribers to the list and 79 subscribers to the digest for a grand total of 258 members (though someone might be subscribed to both). On 18 May 1998 we had 158+46=204 members. ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560 ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:30:10 +0200 From: "Solmyr of the Azure Star" Subject: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Benekander The porject continues... Here's the next Immortal. As always comments are welcome. - ------------------ Benekander (Defender of Mortals, The Old and the Young) Demipower of the Prime Material, NG/Initiate of Energy, L PORTFOLIO: Restraint of Immortal excesses ALIASES: Rheddrian, Gareth? DOMAIN: Prime Material/Mystara DATE OF ASCENSION: 4000 BC; unable to join the ranks of the Immortals until 1003 AC SPONSOR: None; Benekander somehow became Immortal in the implosion of his starship ALLIES: None as yet FOES: Hel; also any Immortals who encourage forcible conversion to their faith. SYMBOL: A beagle in a jumpsuit, wearing a hardhat, carrying a big adjustable wrench WAL: Any Rheddrian Benekander was First Assistant Engineer on the Beagle, a spaceship that explored the galaxy. The ship crashed on Mystara, and its crew was placed in suspended animation. Rheddrian awoke to find native people of Blackmoor scavenging the ship's parts. This caused an implosion of the ship, in which Rheddrian's body perished. His mind somehow survived and was trapped in a mirrorlike disk for thousands of years. In 1003 AC, Benekander was freed by a party of adventurers and to his surprise became an Immortal. He soon recruited the adventurers to find the causes of the great war known as Wrath of the Immortals, and at its end revealed his Immortality and formally joined the other Immortals. Note: Benekander has never been to other planes, so his home plane at the moment is the Prime (he spends his time there in a mortal identity so as not to violate the rules of Immortal non-interference). It is likely that he will move to another plane very soon, though he has come to lov! e Mystara and enjoys having a mortal identity there. The Church CLERGY: Priests (Shelterers), paladins. There are few priests and almost no paladins as yet. CAL: LG, NG, CG, LN, N WEAPONS: Any bludgeoning ARMOR: Any MAJOR SPHERES: All, Astral, Charm, Creation, Divination, Guardian, Healing, Protection, Travelers, Wards MINOR SPHERES: Numbers, Thought, Time GRANTED POWERS: Turn Undead, Infravision BONUS PROFS: Local History DOGMA: Benekander's philosophy is to let mortals govern their own life. While Immortals can be worshipped, their interference in their worshippers' lives should be minimal. He maintains that mortals are capable of great achievements by themselves, and should be given a chance to make those achievements. Benekander steadfastly opposes conversion "by the sword", as to him it represents the ultimate way of Immortal interference on the Prime. Related to this, he also opposes slavery and other forms of bondage. DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES: True to his dogma, Benekander does not require anything major of his priests. They merely spread his word in a peaceful manner and attempt to prevent any disturbances caused by excessive Immortal influence. IMPORTANT CEREMONIES/HOLY DAYS: Likewise, Benekander does not have any major ceremonies. His only holy day is the 28th of Kaldmont, the Day of Dread, that marks his formal ascension to the ranks of Immortals. MAJOR CENTERS OF WORSHIP: Benekander does not have any major centers of worship yet. He has small groups of followers in Darokin, Karameikos, Thyatis, and Ierendi. Some Immortals think that he is masquerading as Gareth (though Benekander himself has not commented on the matter), in which case he also has an active group of worshippers in Sind. AFFILIATED ORDERS: None as yet. PRIESTLY VESTMENTS: Benekander's priesthood is quite young and not yet greatly organized, so no single formal garb has been established yet. As the priesthood becomes more organized, it is likely that the priests' vestments will include a pleasant light green color. ADVENTURING GARB: Any. Benekandrite Spells Clear Reasoning (Enchantment/Charm) Level: 3 Sphere: Charm Range: 30' Components: V, S Duration: 1r/lvl Casting Time: 6 Area of Effect: One creature Saving Throw: Neg. This spell is cast on a person or creature whose way of thinking is influenced by his religion. The spell forces the target to rethink one thing specified by the caster in a way free of religious influences. Thus for example, a priest of Vanya wishing to start a war only to glorify his Immortal would think of his actions in terms of what other effects they would cause (suffering, destruction, etc.). The target gets a saving throw vs. spell, with a +4 to -4 modifier depending on his religious fervor. Thus a fanatic would get a +4 bonus while one with weak faith would get a -4 penalty. If the saving throw succeeds, the target will know that the caster tried to influence him somehow, but won't necessarily know that it was a spell. If the saving throw fails, the target will think that he has the 'non-religious' thoughts himself, and depending on his normal degree of faith might be confused or get a feeling of having sinned. ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 07:22:22 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [IP] Benekander >Benekander >SYMBOL: A beagle in a jumpsuit, wearing a hardhat, carrying a big >adjustable wrench What I wanna know is, what the heck is a starship engineer doing with a clumsy piece of "old-tech" junk like a monkey wrench? Did ol' Rheddrian collect antiques, when he was a mortal? :-D *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:01:24 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Benekander & An Adventure! At 11:30 PM 1/2/99 +0200, you wrote: >The porject continues... Here's the next Immortal. As always comments are welcome. Hello! :) I like your idea for Benekander becoming an immortal through a technological accident, as well as the detail that his essence was trapped in a CD-ROM type device/disk. There is an interestning and mysterious explanation for this rise to Immortality, and it would be interesting to pursue. Perhaps it would even make a cool adventure? You did mention adventurers had freed him from his technological imprisonment. The adventure could lead up to the discovery of Benekander and his release. After that, what do you have? An Immortal being, uneducated in the Immortal laws governing the universe and Mystara. Perhaps Benekander becomes aware of his Immortal essence, but may not initially know how to use it? Perhaps the adventurers next step after finding him is to guide him "to the heavens", so to speak, to take his place amongst the Immortals? That would be great cause for an adventure! Benekander would essentially have the initial knowledge of a normal human, who'd appear in an alien world (Mystara), with omni-potent powers. Potentially dangerous! Like giving a 5 year old a loaded gun. :) The adventurers would basically be bringing Benekander up to speed on the "new world" around him, where he was, and depending on the level and knowledge of the adventurers, a basic introduction to Mystara. Because of the "No Interference" rule on Mystara by the Immortals, regardless of Benekander's infantsy, his Immortal presence would quickly become the knowledge of many established Immortals - and definitely the Heirarchs! But because there is a "No Interference" rule, and because it is not a flexible one at all (eg. the immortal module, "The Best of Intentions"), Benekander could get quite the punishment placed upon him by the "immortal authorities" that be - the Hierarchs. So then it becomes an adventure where Benekander, who possesses all this infinite-cosmic-power, is suddenly restricted from being able to use it! Perhaps as a punishment, the Hierarchs drain him of immortal power (but not essence or life-force), and he then becomes a rather vulnerable immortal being, under the protection of the adventurers. This helps eliminate the immense powers of Benekander temporarily, and puts the onus of proving who Benekander is as a newborn Immortal, as well as makes the adventurers more responsible for getting him in to the hands of the _right_ Immortals. I think this could make for a particularly interesting adventure for the adventurers (high level, I'd think!), and no doubt, some of the more manevolent immortals will be trying to play in to this as well, trying to taint Benekander's immortal "innocence". Kind of swaying him to the Dark Side! ;) Can anyone say, Axentiotel (or however that evil immortal elf's name is spelt)? :) I am curious, however, as to the bit about Benekander gaining worshippers and established Churches. In the background, it goes from the birth of his immortality, to basically a god figure with worshippers. As I understand it...achieving Immortality does not immediately mean one acquires a worshipping body. An established religion isn't a part of the Immortal package at first. So Benekander, no doubt, must have impressed upon the mortal population on Mystara, to some degree, his immortality, thus gaining worshippers and a religion. How did he impress upon the mortal world, I ask? There seems to be an important transition missing here. Perhaps this is linked to my adventure idea above? Going from point A (the ship, and Benekander's "rebirth"), to point B (Benekander's rise to the heavens), the adventure could establish some important grounds for Benekander's cult following. Did he use his immortal powers a few times, unknowingly, and causing grand miracles to happen, thus impressing mortals to his holy banner? THEN, losing his powers as a punishment for interfering on the Prime? In this way, it proves to the adventurers that Benekander is at least a Demigod of sorts, and the value of their now vulnerable "cargo" - him. At any rate, to me, Benekander seems best suited as an NPC in this adventure idea, with the high-level PC's making up the adventuring party. A high-level cleric in the party, for instance, would help greatly to introduce Benekander to divine mythos of Mystara, while a dwarf or elf, even humans from different nations in the party, can help to instill racial or cultural understandings of the world around them. Of course, it depends how the PC's RP their characters, right? ;) Well, I guess that's a start. Hope you like my idea. ;) Let me know! Hehe! ;) Yours, Khaladhen >------------------ >Benekander >(Defender of Mortals, The Old and the Young) > >Demipower of the Prime Material, NG/Initiate of Energy, L >PORTFOLIO: Restraint of Immortal excesses >ALIASES: Rheddrian, Gareth? >DOMAIN: Prime Material/Mystara >DATE OF ASCENSION: 4000 BC; unable to join the ranks of the Immortals until 1003 AC >SPONSOR: None; Benekander somehow became Immortal in the implosion of his starship >ALLIES: None as yet >FOES: Hel; also any Immortals who encourage forcible conversion to their faith. >SYMBOL: A beagle in a jumpsuit, wearing a hardhat, carrying a big adjustable wrench >WAL: Any >Rheddrian Benekander was First Assistant Engineer on the Beagle, a spaceship that explored the galaxy. The ship crashed on Mystara, and its crew was placed in suspended animation. Rheddrian awoke to find native people of Blackmoor scavenging the ship's parts. This caused an implosion of the ship, in which Rheddrian's body perished. His mind somehow survived and was trapped in a mirrorlike disk for thousands of years. In 1003 AC, Benekander was freed by a party of adventurers and to his surprise became an Immortal. He soon recruited the adventurers to find the causes of the great war known as Wrath of the Immortals, and at its end revealed his Immortality and formally joined the other Immortals. Note: Benekander has never been to other planes, so his home plane at the moment is the Prime (he spends his time there in a mortal identity so as not to violate the rules of Immortal non-interference). It is likely that he will move to another plane very soon, though he has come to lov! >e Mystara and enjoys having a mortal identity there. > >The Church >CLERGY: Priests (Shelterers), paladins. There are few priests and almost no paladins as yet. >CAL: LG, NG, CG, LN, N >WEAPONS: Any bludgeoning >ARMOR: Any >MAJOR SPHERES: All, Astral, Charm, Creation, Divination, Guardian, Healing, Protection, Travelers, Wards >MINOR SPHERES: Numbers, Thought, Time >GRANTED POWERS: Turn Undead, Infravision >BONUS PROFS: Local History >DOGMA: Benekander's philosophy is to let mortals govern their own life. While Immortals can be worshipped, their interference in their worshippers' lives should be minimal. He maintains that mortals are capable of great achievements by themselves, and should be given a chance to make those achievements. Benekander steadfastly opposes conversion "by the sword", as to him it represents the ultimate way of Immortal interference on the Prime. Related to this, he also opposes slavery and other forms of bondage. >DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES: True to his dogma, Benekander does not require anything major of his priests. They merely spread his word in a peaceful manner and attempt to prevent any disturbances caused by excessive Immortal influence. >IMPORTANT CEREMONIES/HOLY DAYS: Likewise, Benekander does not have any major ceremonies. His only holy day is the 28th of Kaldmont, the Day of Dread, that marks his formal ascension to the ranks of Immortals. >MAJOR CENTERS OF WORSHIP: Benekander does not have any major centers of worship yet. He has small groups of followers in Darokin, Karameikos, Thyatis, and Ierendi. Some Immortals think that he is masquerading as Gareth (though Benekander himself has not commented on the matter), in which case he also has an active group of worshippers in Sind. >AFFILIATED ORDERS: None as yet. >PRIESTLY VESTMENTS: Benekander's priesthood is quite young and not yet greatly organized, so no single formal garb has been established yet. As the priesthood becomes more organized, it is likely that the priests' vestments will include a pleasant light green color. >ADVENTURING GARB: Any. > >Benekandrite Spells >Clear Reasoning (Enchantment/Charm) >Level: 3 >Sphere: Charm >Range: 30' >Components: V, S >Duration: 1r/lvl >Casting Time: 6 >Area of Effect: One creature >Saving Throw: Neg. >This spell is cast on a person or creature whose way of thinking is influenced by his religion. The spell forces the target to rethink one thing specified by the caster in a way free of religious influences. Thus for example, a priest of Vanya wishing to start a war only to glorify his Immortal would think of his actions in terms of what other effects they would cause (suffering, destruction, etc.). The target gets a saving throw vs. spell, with a +4 to -4 modifier depending on his religious fervor. Thus a fanatic would get a +4 bonus while one with weak faith would get a -4 penalty. If the saving throw succeeds, the target will know that the caster tried to influence him somehow, but won't necessarily know that it was a spell. If the saving throw fails, the target will think that he has the 'non-religious' thoughts himself, and depending on his normal degree of faith might be confused or get a feeling of having sinned. > >****************** >Aleksei Andrievski >aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star >aka Azure Star Dragon >solmyr@kolumbus.fi >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:12:06 +0200 From: "Solmyr of the Azure Star" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Benekander & An Adventure! > I like your idea for Benekander becoming an immortal through a >technological accident, as well as the detail that his essence was trapped >in a CD-ROM type device/disk. There is an interestning and mysterious Your adventure idea is really interesting, but you should really look at Wrath of the Immortals box, because most of my write-ups are based on that, including the way Benny became an Immortal. :) ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... I'll compile it all, and send it out. There really isn't much, since most of the stuff are personal messages, and what not. Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 09:13:10 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Hi Brad, and welcome to the list! > Unfortunately, in the other two Emails, I gave a long type-up on my >understanding of Primordials and the Immortals I for one would really like to hear it. >P.S.: As for the Burrowers...ICK! Nasty critters! Are you familiar with The >Devourer? ;) No...do tell! Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #770 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Wednesday, January 6 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 773 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Weirdness (was- Hey.... [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:05:38 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Weirdness (was- Hey.... In a message dated 1/5/99 8:33:09 PM Central Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no writes: << To me, weirdness is what Mystara is about. It is however dangerous to throw in too much since that will just be distracting. I really liked the NPCs Bruce Heard made in Glantri, and i always missed having similarly interesting NPCs in countries like Karameikos. We do have a Nosferatu baron, but that is about it. >> yup thats the kinda stuff that makes things interesting.....I would be interested in trying to play in one of those games..........Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:12:55 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... To whom this may concern...i'm not sure if the editors of the Almanac are about to produce the next one, but i would like to see if i can help write some of it......or just add a few things to the next one *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Kronhamn Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep - ---DJ Sahlas wrote: > Well, in one of my old campaigns, I fleshed out Castellan Keep a bit. A > party of Companion-level Glantrian adventurers were travelling around > Karameikos (in the Gazetteer era) and so I had some fun speculating about > the history of the Keep (since the events in module B2 had already been > role-played in a previous campaign set 200 years in the future). > > In my Gazetteer era campaign, Thar was in allegiance with the Church of > Evil Chaos, and sent some of his lieutenants to Is this Church of Evil Chaos from the adventure B2 or of your own creation? Either way I would like to know more about it, since I have a Church of Chaos IMC. A nasty bunch, primarily zealously devoted followers of Thanatos. I always thought there were too few of those, for such a major immortal, even if it is illegal in many places to worship him (as it is IMC). == David University of Lund, Sweden David_Kronhamn@hermes.ics.lu.se dkronhamn@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:28:00 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions > That is something else that was changed by the weakening of the Spell > of Preservation -- lodestones (the basis of compasses) now point towards > the nearest polar opening. Hm, was this an official decision by TSR? I can't remember it... Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:31:29 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... > Thanks for the self esteem bonus Oh mighty Khan.....lol..................How > did you become khan anyway...............................next year......i see > thanx......eheheheheheheheheh lol Mike You really should have applied this interesting poison much later, Jenn. Now we will never learn what he wanted to tell us. :-) Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:35:33 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. > I think I found it on your page.....your mightiness :) but wasn't the part of > Alphatia that sank.............That was what I originally tried to figure out Well, I'm not quite sure what you've meant, but the Kingdom of Foresthome was and still is a part of the Empire of Alphatia. Of course it sank together with the empire. The location is the east coast of the big (floating) continent, just north of Bettellyn and south of (Floating) Ar. Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:40:21 +0100 From: "Jamuga Khan" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for you > There is also the Kingdom of Foresthome on Greater Alphatia (the > continent, not the old planet that blew up). It lies north of Bettellyn, > and south of Floating Ar/Ambur. Jamuga Khan did some excellent work > detailling more of this nation. > > Geoff > > -- > Geoff Gander, BA 97 > Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon > Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog This statement of the famous Mystaran Cartographer has been noticed happily... :-) Never forget all those Alphatian kingdoms! One example is Frisland at the north coast of Alphatia, well described by His Eminence, the Part-Time High Priest from the Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog. Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:28:29 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep In a message dated 1/6/99 9:35:35 AM Central Standard Time, dkronhamn@yahoo.com writes: << Is this Church of Evil Chaos from the adventure B2 or of your own creation? Either way I would like to know more about it, since I have a Church of Chaos IMC. A nasty bunch, primarily zealously devoted followers of Thanatos. I always thought there were too few of those, for such a major immortal, even if it is illegal in many places to worship him (as it is IMC). == David >> Hey David......This Church is pregen. It is the one in The Keep on the Borderlands...I believe B2. Anyway......If you need any advice let us know.....Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:31:19 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Birth of the Hivebrood... In a message dated 1/6/99 12:58:48 PM Central Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: << You really should have applied this interesting poison much later, Jenn. Now we will never learn what he wanted to tell us. :-) Jamuga Khan >> HEHEEHEHE....Where you guys been? I haven't seen you on the list. But then again few have been giving any ideas. i am going to when I get a chance....I have some good ideas for the Almanac....I need to know if they are still working on AC1016 .....or have they started the new one Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:33:21 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. In a message dated 1/6/99 12:59:53 PM Central Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: << Well, I'm not quite sure what you've meant, but the Kingdom of Foresthome was and still is a part of the Empire of Alphatia. Of course it sank together with the empire. The location is the east coast of the big (floating) continent, just north of Bettellyn and south of (Floating) Ar. Jamuga Khan >> Is this in HW or in the Known world? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:34:39 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I have a few more Geography questions for youexperts. >Is this in HW or in the Known world? Hollow World. Alphatia was resurrected there after sinking on the surface world. Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:38:46 +1300 From: Richard Vowles Subject: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres The Nucleus of the Spheres has never made any sense to me. Supposedly, according to 'canon' - magic existed before the "Beagle" landed on Mystara. The BlackMoor civilisation took parts of the Beagle and created a mixed magic/technology civilisation (or had they already done this when they discovered the Beagle? At what time did Rheddrian wake up?). The explosions that destroyed Blackmoor supposedly set the fusion engines of the Beagle underneath Glantri City, but wasn't the whole of the continent of Brun under an ice sheet? How on Mystara did it get to Glantri??? Why did it suddenly become the source of all magic on Mystara? If it is so unstable, why oh why doen't Benekander (one of the original ship engineers) fix it? I'm sure if I thought about it for long enough, I could come up with a whole host of other inconsistencies. I don't think that Mr Allston took much time in ensuring that it fit into play with the rest of the history when creating WotI - any comments anyone? Richard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:24:58 +0100 From: Michele Vacchiano Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep > > > << My narrative summary of the entire Karameikos campaign is over 200 pages > long. I could always post parts of it if anybody is interested. I've > actually been working on a novel set in Karameikos, incorporating many of > the events in that and other campaigns. > Please let me know somethimg about it via MML!!! Thank you... - -- Michele *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:41:07 -0800 From: Dave Keyser Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Richard Vowles wrote: > The Nucleus of the Spheres has never made any sense to me. > > Supposedly, according to 'canon' - magic existed before the "Beagle" > landed on Mystara. The BlackMoor civilisation took parts of the Beagle > and created a mixed magic/technology civilisation (or had they already > done this when they discovered the Beagle? At what time did Rheddrian > wake up?). The explosions that destroyed Blackmoor supposedly set the > fusion engines of the Beagle underneath Glantri City, but wasn't the > whole of the continent of Brun under an ice sheet? How on Mystara did it > get to Glantri??? Why did it suddenly become the source of all magic on > Mystara? If it is so unstable, why oh why doen't Benekander (one of the > original ship engineers) fix it? > I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it to its present location. It is not and never was the source of all magic on Mystara. It can be used to create magical effects, but in doing so, drains the magic from Mystara. The Blackmoor modules implied that a certain location was the source, or at least a nexus, for the magic of Mystara, but that has never been well-defined. Depending on your source, the Nucleus has been modified by Immortals from all four spheres and by an Old One. It is no longer a nuclear reactor which can be fixed by an engineer. Even Rad and Benekander do not completely understand it. And it really isn't unstable, it is not going to explode. It's magic drain changes to entropy drain by the end of WoTI. >I'm sure if I thought about it for long enough, I could come up with a >whole host of other inconsistencies. I don't think that Mr Allston took >much time in ensuring that it fit into play with the rest of the history >when creating WotI - any comments anyone? I'm sure you can. The number of different writers which worked on Mystara ensured that inconsistencies would creep in. Dave Keyser *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:27:43 +1300 From: Richard Vowles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Dave Keyser wrote: > I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it > to its present location. And from what I remember, no reason was given? Seems unlikely an "Old One" would be stupid enough to move it to the center location of where it knew civilisation would grow? It just may have done so to be enigmatic? > It is not and never was the source of all magic on Mystara. Good point, I suppose it wasn't was it? > It can be used to create magical effects, but in doing so, drains the magic > from > Mystara. And puts it where? I wonder if a quest to determine where the magic was going would be quite an interesting plot line? > Depending on your source, the Nucleus has been modified by Immortals > from all four spheres and by an Old One. It is no longer a nuclear > reactor which can be fixed by an engineer. But if you check WotI, the end indicates that much of the original mechanisms were still there - control panels, etc. What makes you think it has been modified so significantly? > Even Rad and Benekander do not completely understand it. I understand why Rad wouldn't, but why not Benekander? Is there some sourcebook that I am missing that indicates this or is it theorizing? > And it really isn't unstable, it is not going to explode. It's magic drain > changes to entropy drain by the end > of WoTI. Which appeared to have no effect whatsoever on it, as the Glantri, Land of Magic Boxed Set was set after WotI and the effects of the Radiance are the same as far as I can tell... > I'm sure you can. The number of different writers which worked on > Mystara ensured that inconsistencies would creep in. There is still seems to be too much that doesn't make sense about the whole thing - I think I will have to make severe modifications to this device to ensure that it makes some sense IMC. Thanks for your comments! Richard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:42:36 -0500 From: "DJ Sahlas" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep >Is this Church of Evil Chaos from the adventure B2 or >of your own creation? > >Either way I would like to know more about it, since I >have a Church of Chaos IMC. A nasty bunch, primarily >zealously devoted followers of Thanatos. I always >thought there were too few of those, for such a major >immortal, even if it is illegal in many places to >worship him (as it is IMC). The Church of Evil Chaos is a group I created to explain the existence of the Shrine of Evil Chaos described in module B2. I wrote up a rough outline of the organization with stats for about a dozen NPCs. They didn't worship a particular deity, but had power granted to them by Alphaks and a few others. They were anarchists at heart, but I implied to my players that the organization was behind a lot of the plots in the Known World, and left them in the background to supply a little intrigue every time they thought they knew what was what. Jim Sahlas *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:54:43 -0500 From: "DJ Sahlas" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep > My narrative summary of the entire Karameikos campaign is over 200 pages > long. I could always post parts of it if anybody is interested. I've > actually been working on a novel set in Karameikos, incorporating many of > the events in that and other campaigns. > > Jim Sahlas > >That's cool.....I think I came up with a few NPC's and such....I would be >interested in reading your stuff if you email the whole thing to peeps. It >would take to long to read it in bits. Mike Okay, I'll tell you what, let me tidy it up a bit and then I'll dump it in some massive file and send it to somebody. I really don't want to clog up the list with it, though. Perhaps if somebody with a web page sent me a message, we could post it there. Don't get your hopes up though, it's a campaign summary, and so it doesn't read like a novel (although personally I think it's quite gripping in places - but I'm guessing you kind of had to have been there). As for the Karameikos novel, it's a pet project given that creative writing is a hobby. There's major chunks I'm very unsatisfied with, though. Originally I had thought to pitch it to TSR, and I guess that's still an idea. Jim Sahlas *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:37:06 -0800 From: Dave Keyser Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Richard Vowles wrote: > Dave Keyser wrote: > > > I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it > > to its present location. > > And from what I remember, no reason was given? Seems unlikely an "Old One" > would be stupid enough to move it to the center location of where it knew > civilisation > would grow? It just may have done so to be enigmatic? Well, GAZ3 stated that if the Nucleus did not exist, Glantri would still bea wilderness. Wherever it was placed, it would eventually attract interest. But it is a plot device, and convenient way to explain its location. > > > > It is not and never was the source of all magic on Mystara. > > Good point, I suppose it wasn't was it? > > > It can be used to create magical effects, but in doing so, drains the magic > > from > > Mystara. > > And puts it where? I wonder if a quest to determine where the magic was going > would > be quite an interesting plot line? See below. > > > > Depending on your source, the Nucleus has been modified by Immortals > > from all four spheres and by an Old One. It is no longer a nuclear > > reactor which can be fixed by an engineer. > > But if you check WotI, the end indicates that much of the original mechanisms > were still > there - control panels, etc. What makes you think it has been modified so > significantly? > > > Even Rad and Benekander do not completely understand it. > > I understand why Rad wouldn't, but why not Benekander? Is there some sourcebook > that I am missing > that indicates this or is it theorizing? > Mostly theorizing. I haven't looked at the adventure, but I seem toremember that Benekander wanted to find the reactor and shut it down. I might be wrong about that. But if that is true, the PCs learn that can't be done. So something has fundamentally changed. Perhaps Benekander could figure the whole thing out with some study and his knowledge of Immortal magics. As for what the Nucleus actually does with the magic, perhaps it works as a fission reactor, but uses magic for fuel instead of plutonium or whatever it originally used. The magic, at its atomic level, is broken apart, becoming something else(some magically inert substance). The reaction explains the radiation, and the Nucleus stores the energy, which can be tapped by anyone who knows how. There are other pseudo-scientific explanations. This could also explain why Benekander won't understand how it works, at least at first. > > And it really isn't unstable, it is not going to explode. It's magic drain > > changes to entropy drain by the end > > of WoTI. > > Which appeared to have no effect whatsoever on it, as the Glantri, Land of > Magic Boxed Set was set after WotI and the effects of the Radiance are the same > as far as I can tell... > Bruce Heard mentioned on this list that was an error, that the Nucleus is actually draining entropy. What probably happened was Cook, the writer of that set, was given GAZ3 and the PWAs as a reference, but not WoTI. But you can make it work either way. Dave Keyser *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:23:59 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep > The Church of Evil Chaos is a group I created to explain the existence >of the Shrine of Evil Chaos described in module B2. > > I wrote up a rough outline of the organization with stats for about a >dozen NPCs. They didn't worship a particular deity, but had power granted >to them by Alphaks and a few others. They were anarchists at heart, but I >implied to my players that the organization was behind a lot of the plots in >the Known World, and left them in the background to supply a little intrigue >every time they thought they knew what was what. > > Jim Sahlas Why does this description of the CoEC as 'anarchists at heart' with 'power granted to them' by a few anonymous Immortals, whose shadowy conspiracies leave PCs wondering what the hairy heck is going on, leave ME thinking of the "Upright Citizens' Brigade"...? ;-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:59:20 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres >> I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it >> to its present location. This brings up the one thing (well, the most prominent thing....) about the WotI storyline, that drives me up the wall with the Immortals' blatant stupidity. Namely, if the whole dispute between Rad and Ixion was about whether or not the Nucleus should be used -- knowing the detrimental effect its magic-drain would ultimately have on Mystara's magical races and life forms -- then WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE BLOODY THING OFF-PLANET!?! After all, we already KNOW the Nucleus has been moved, and tampered with, in the past; it's not as if it were too big to move (smaller than your average office building, i.e. dinky-little to an Immortal) or would explode the instant any Immortal so much as got near the thing (Rad's been pawing and poring over its innards, for decades). So what was stopping a few of the more-powerful Immortals -- who can relocate entire PLANETS, for crying out loud! -- from dropping the blasted thing off on some magically-rich, but lifeless world where it can't hurt anything ... or even creating a whole planet or pocket dimension, just for it? THAT would've shielded Mystara and every other populated world from the NoS's magic-drain, for centuries -- long enough for Rad & Rafiel to find a way to neutralize its harmful effects, as they'd originally planned -- and it WOULDN'T have required anyone to fight a war that killed off a big percentage of the total population of outer-world Mystara (albeit with most getting resurrected in the HW), in the process. Granted, the Old Ones MIGHT have tampered with the Nucleus so "mere" Immortals couldn't move it ... but for Pete's sake, they could at least have TRIED! And granted, once Ixion's and Rad's egos got to clashing, SOME kind of conflict was probably unavoidable ... but darn it, there were MUCH more level-headed voices in Pandius, who could've made the suggestion! Etienne and the Sun-Prince make for a volatile combination, under any circumstances, but folks like Ka or Alphatia should've known better than to let the situation degenerate so far. And I can't BELIEVE that Korotiku -- who's supposed to be "ingenious" -- never even ASKED whether there might be an alternative, to leaving the artifact on Mystara! What's so annoying about all this to me, is that it would've been sooooo simple for WotI's author to include a brief mention of how/why the Nucleus couldn't be relocated to a safer place (e.g. it resists all Immortal transport-magics, Old Ones fixed it in space/time, it'd blow up, etc), in the course of the opening "court case" scene. But because it's NOT there, then the whole "character sketch" of the Immortals' argument in Pandius loses its legitimacy, so far as my own gut-level impressions of the WotI scenario are concerned. Which is a pretty big let-down, considering that that "sketch" is only IN there, for the purpose of setting the mood for the rest of the adventure. Am I the only one on this list who feels this way, or have other MML-ers already hashed out their own disappointment with WotI's consistency gafes, and I missed it...? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:24:49 -0600 From: Tim Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Sharon Dornhoff wrote: > > Am I the only one on this list who feels this way, or have other MML-ers > already hashed out their own disappointment with WotI's consistency gafes, > and I missed it...? I'm probably not the best one to answer this but yes I feel the same as you. The Nucleus of the Spheres is only one of my problems. There have been several instances I've found where the writers seemed to be caught up in the coolness factor to not think through what they were writing. I consider a product a failure if I have the same questions (plus others) I had before when I finish reading something like WotI. I liked WotI but it did nothing as far as answering why the Nucleus exists at all. I don't buy that Glantri would still be a wilderness if not for the Nucleus either. It gives wizards an out of the way nation that is difficult to reach which is what I think they would want. Trying to 'answer' that question when I don't think it existed is an example of what WotI gave than real answers. Questions about the Old Ones still exist along with why one appeared at the end. It just goes on. Nice idea but executed poorly. I ended up more confused about Mystara than I was to start with. - -- This has been a Galwylin® Production Timothy R. Haney The Tome of Galwylin galwylin@airnet.net http://www.airnet.net/galwylin/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #773 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Thursday, January 7 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 774 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:14:56 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Richard Vowles wrote: > Dave Keyser wrote: > > > I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it > > to its present location. > > And from what I remember, no reason was given? Seems unlikely an "Old One" > would be stupid enough to move it to the center location of where it knew > civilisation > would grow? It just may have done so to be enigmatic? The Old Ones work in mysterious ways. I think it is safe to assume that the Old Ones have an intellect way beyond anyone on this list, or even any of the Immortals. Here is a theory though. The reason for putting the Nucleus of the Spheres exactly where they put it could in fact be that they wanted the humans and Immortals to study it. It is a gift from the old ones. Power. But with power comes responsiblity. If you want to use the powers of the nucleus you must realize which horrors might occur if you do not use it wisely. The "Old One" or whatever he was, told Rad that he was doing the right thing, when he was studying the Radience. What was wrong though was to create the doomsday device, which is probably why Rad was punished. > > It can be used to create magical effects, but in doing so, drains the magic > > from > > Mystara. > > And puts it where? I wonder if a quest to determine where the magic was going > would > be quite an interesting plot line? I never thought about that. Interesting. I would think it would be changed into something strengthening the other Spheres. Weakening one Sphere(Energy) automatically strengthens the others, doesnt it? hmmm.... > Which appeared to have no effect whatsoever on it, as the Glantri, Land of > Magic Boxed Set was set after WotI and the effects of the Radiance are the same > as far as I can tell... That is probably an error. The writers probably forgot about WotI. Yes, this sounds horrible, but i dont think it is very far from the truth :( Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:16:25 -0500 From: "DJ Sahlas" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres >Am I the only one on this list who feels this way, or have other MML-ers >already hashed out their own disappointment with WotI's consistency gafes, >and I missed it...? As a matter of fact, it's a recurring theme. I like to lay the blame on the shoulders of Alston the Canonoclast (he didn't just overlook stuff, he intentionally introduced internal inconsistency. That part in WotI when he recommends we "dust off" our old copy of X10 and replay it, regardless of the fact that every gazetteer claimed that the events of X4, X5, X10 occurred around 1200 A.C., was particularly frustrating). Jim Sahlas *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:35:00 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Sharon Dornhoff wrote: > >> I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it > >> to its present location. > > > This brings up the one thing (well, the most prominent thing....) about the > WotI storyline, that drives me up the wall with the Immortals' blatant > stupidity. Namely, if the whole dispute between Rad and Ixion was about > whether or not the Nucleus should be used -- knowing the detrimental effect > its magic-drain would ultimately have on Mystara's magical races and life > forms -- then WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE BLOODY THING OFF-PLANET!?! One answer might be that the Immortals thought that moving it might be dangerous. You have to be real careful about these Old One artifact thingies. Rad has been studying the thing for years and hasnt found out all that much about it.. As for your argument that it already has been moved, I dont think it was the Nucleus of the Spheres back then, just an average Nuclear Reactor, from some old Spaceship. OTOH, the Immortals could have moved Mystara itself..well that would probably infer with that rule about not interferring. But you are right, these issues probably should have been adressed by Allston when he wrote WotI. In fact, this I feel, is a pretty common problem with literature where the writer uses elements who are so powerful, he doesnt realize the extent of that power. Star Trek has that problem all the time. Why do they never use the transporters to transport a grenade into the enemy ship? Why dont they use the food replicators to make something useful? The same thing goes with Immortals. These creatures are gods in everything but the name. They can do anything. How to deal with that? I'm not trying to make excuses for Allston, but rather point out that we might run into this problem ourself in the near future.... enough late-night ramblings already, eh? Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:40:45 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Tim wrote: > I don't buy that Glantri would still be a wilderness if not for > the Nucleus either. It gives wizards an out of the way nation that is > difficult to reach which is what I think they would want. Trying to > 'answer' that question when I don't think it existed is an example of > what WotI gave than real answers. Questions about the Old Ones still > exist along with why one appeared at the end. It just goes on. Nice > idea but executed poorly. I ended up more confused about Mystara than I > was to start with. Glantri, in its present form is an ideal land for the wizards, but wizards are an individualist lot. Why chose the Glantri region and not Wendar or Norwold. Heck, why not Thyatis or Alphatia where you at least have some civilization. OTOH, Glantri, probably wouldn't have been a wilderness area, but without the Radience, I dont see Glantri being anything as magnificent as it is today. Mystara is confusing. And you probably have to pick and chose what you like and throw away what you dont. I think thats whats so fascinating (yet annoying) about this setting. Its such a mess, but its such a nice and fuzzy mess :) Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:32:12 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres On :Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:35:00 +0100 (CET) Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no)wrote... >The same thing goes with Immortals. These creatures are gods in >everything but the name. They can do anything. The Immortals are not true gods in most respects. Sure they can make a planet at will but they must rest after and it does drain them of some of their power. A true god doesn't have this problem. A god is a manifestation of pure belief an Immortal is, for the most part, a mortal who got a lot of power. The Nucleus caused the Immortals so much trouble because, at heart, they are mortals who have passions, beleifs, and agendas that get in the way clear thought. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:49:33 -0600 From: Tim Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Håvard Rønne Faanes wrote: > > Glantri, in its present form is an ideal land for the wizards, but wizards > are an individualist lot. Why chose the Glantri region and not Wendar or > Norwold. Heck, why not Thyatis or Alphatia where you at least have some > civilization. OTOH, Glantri, probably wouldn't have been a wilderness > area, but without the Radience, I dont see Glantri being anything as > magnificent as it is today. Well, I think it has to looked at "Do I want civilization with their laws bothering me and calling me out to help with something someone else did or do I want a place where I do what I want when I want?" Plus these were wizards fleeing their homeworld. That plus them being wizards makes the hard to reach Glantri a natural choice. And we have to remember Glantri ruling class are wizards. That didn't happened without them wanting to be the ruling class and no other area was completely free as this one was. Its almost like a part of the Broken Lands in landscape. Not too cold, not too hot. To me the land was a good choice and the added benefit of the Radiance sealed the deal. Of course, they could have gone anywhere in the world. But the answer to that is the same as why did anyone ever journey there to start with. It just happened that way :) - -- This has been a Galwylin® Production Timothy R. Haney The Tome of Galwylin galwylin@airnet.net http://www.airnet.net/galwylin/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:06:00 -0600 From: Tim Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Jerry Hovenanian wrote: > > The Immortals are not true gods in most respects. Sure they can make a > planet at will but they must rest after and it does drain them of some > of their power. A true god doesn't have this problem. A god is a > manifestation of pure belief an Immortal is, for the most part, a mortal > who got a lot of power. Um, I don't mean to start this up but did you read this? I think I've reached the pinnacle of success if I can get my VCR to work. Immortals create a planet at will and get tired thus they aren't gods? I agree a god is a manifestation of pure belief but not in D&D or AD&D. I really think there's some kind of hang-up about calling the Immortals gods. The Immortals and gods are like electricity. They may just be in a plugin or a power plant but if I stick my finger in it, I'm dead so what's the real difference between the ways I was killed? I'll also give you that the Immortals weren't meant to be used as they are today but their current forms are as godlike as you can get. - -- This has been a Galwylin® Production Timothy R. Haney The Tome of Galwylin galwylin@airnet.net http://www.airnet.net/galwylin/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:34:58 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep In a message dated 1/6/99 6:59:43 PM Central Standard Time, dsahla@po- box.mcgill.ca writes: << Okay, I'll tell you what, let me tidy it up a bit and then I'll dump it in some massive file and send it to somebody. I really don't want to clog up the list with it, though. Perhaps if somebody with a web page sent me a message, we could post it there. Don't get your hopes up though, it's a campaign summary, and so it doesn't read like a novel (although personally I think it's quite gripping in places - but I'm guessing you kind of had to have been there). As for the Karameikos novel, it's a pet project given that creative writing is a hobby. There's major chunks I'm very unsatisfied with, though. Originally I had thought to pitch it to TSR, and I guess that's still an idea. Jim Sahlas >> Kewl beans.....I'll read it *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:41:46 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - I need some help..... First off i need to know the text book definition want a God's avatar is. I also need to know if an Immortal can have an avatar. Finally.....can anyone point out a site with some good maps on it *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:46:24 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - I need some help In a message dated 1/7/99 12:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, MAILER- DAEMON@aol.com writes: << I need to know if someone can help me out with the GAZ13 that TSR had online. My adobe reader will not open it for some reason...and I need to see if someone knows where it is in a different form....or if it can be converted to a text file....i can read it with quick view....but I don't like that.........Mike >> *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:52:18 +0200 (EET) From: a122286@students.cc.tut.fi Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Sharon Dornhoff wrote: > -- then WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE BLOODY THING OFF-PLANET!?! > What's so annoying about all this to me, is that it would've been sooooo > simple for WotI's author to include a brief mention of how/why the Nucleus > couldn't be relocated to a safer place They did explain this. On the rules of Immortals. The Immortals have a rule of not using their powers in Prime Plane. So they can not just go and take something as important as the nucleus away from Mystara. Surely Ixion could have suggested this, but, well I dont see any more success there. It was surely easier to demand rad to not use the thing. After all, it is within the rules if rad denies the use of nucleus from his followers. And as it didnt work, the war was a good try on getting the thing off from rad. And to the discussion on where does the Magic go. If one reads carefully, one notes that the magic mutates into radience. Which, as we know is a form of energy unlike magic, but just as useable. The sphere of energy is thus not losing power, but the power within the energy is changing, as well as the persons who have the energy. Ixion is claiming, that Rad tries to seize the power from the old immortals to the radience immortals. That also explains the attitude of other Immortals: the fight is within the sphere of Energy, and is totally their problem, at least until the war really gets starting on. Had the effects of nucleus continued undisturbed, the magic would have died, as it is said. And the magical beings would have ceased to exist. But surely all that radience would then be in much more use than it is today. And there would be some radical beings substituting the dead macical beings (mind my little joke), such as the lightning zombies, radical liches etc. Now that the nucleus is changing entropy into radience, the whole thing is a bit more complicated. The Canon seems to suggest, that entropy is really losing power to the faction of radience inside energy, which can only be a bad thing. So IMC the exact form of radience has also changed with the effect of entropy, allthough only a bit. The radience seems to be tainted in some way. This is not obvious to the mortals as yet, but the immortals who try to use rad do note this... Of course, If i remember right, in canon they changed it back to energy, just before they left... (Yes yes, I know that it was a mistake, but canon however) But anyway, it was just my opinions. I know some of this is not said wery clearly in the WoTI, but the implications are there, so the claims are just as valid as anything else. Pasi - -- X Pasi Anias X p.03 - 2533536 X \\|// X X Sammonkatu 8-10 G 62 X a122286@proffa X (o o) X X 33540 Tampere X .cc.tut.fi X o000--(_)--000o X *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:14:09 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep In a message dated 1999-01-06 10:35:35 Eastern Standard Time, dkronhamn@yahoo.com writes: > Is this Church of Evil Chaos from the adventure B2 or > of your own creation? It is given in B2, but little detail of its beliefs and practices is provided there. You have probably already fleshed it out better than B2 did. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:14:11 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Hollow World directions In a message dated 1999-01-06 13:58:48 Eastern Standard Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: > > That is something else that was changed by the weakening of the Spell > > of Preservation -- lodestones (the basis of compasses) now point towards > > the nearest polar opening. > > > Hm, was this an official decision by TSR? I can't remember it... Yes -- see the PWAs. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:55:12 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres In a message dated 1999-01-06 22:01:16 Eastern Standard Time, dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes: > Am I the only one on this list who feels this way, or have other MML-ers > already hashed out their own disappointment with WotI's consistency gafes, > and I missed it...? To start with, anyone who attempted to move the Nucleus of the Spheres would clearly be seen as taking Ixion's side. And since moving this artifact would have constituted direct intervention on the Prime Plane, it is unlikely that five Hierarchs would have agreed on the necessity of moving it. Forget about whether it would have been physically possible for the Immortals to move the Nucleus to another plane -- it would have been politically impossible. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:06:31 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I need some help Mike get gaz 13 as ziped txt at http://www.tsr.com/ADND/Downloads.html and maps at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/maps.html http://www.image.dk/~hiveking/maps.html http://chat.carleton.ca/~mqualizz/mystara/maps/ Hope it helps. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 04:34:31 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I need some help In a message dated 1/7/99 3:08:44 AM Central Standard Time, clumsydwarf@hotmail.com writes: << Mike get gaz 13 as ziped txt at http://www.tsr.com/ADND/Downloads.html >> That is where I got the files from, but they won't work for some reason. It's says can't open because file doesn't begin with %PDF......don't know....thanks for the help though.....Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:45:47 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Dolan Subject: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara I'm sure you have all heard this question before...but here we go. Are there Paladins in Mystara and if so where. (A player asked me so now i have to pretend like I looked it up somewhere :> ) Stephen Dolan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:00:01 PST From: "GUIDAULT Marc-Antoine" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara >I'm sure you have all heard this question before...but here we go. Are there Paladins in Mystara and if so where. (A player asked me so now i have to pretend like I looked it up somewhere :> ) >Stephen Dolan Hi all ... I'm not the living canon of Mystara, buti think there're Paladins on Mystara as : - They're introduced even in OD&D in the green-blue box. ( the lawfull travelling fighter). - AD&D present "paladin" as a major sub-class so they may want us to play it ! - Many OD&D modules use the Avenger (the opposite of the paladin). Since everything exists as its opposite exist ... Where ? Well it's rather difficult to say ... Paladin are rare (more than Dragon ?) ... perhaps in temple when they rest ... Hoping it answears you ... Friendly Marcus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:29:37 EST From: RocksHope@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara the Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure box lists a paladin, Zandra Sulanov. she's a member of the Church of Traladara. I would assume that then Church of Karameikos would also have its fair share. Ylaruam would be also be a good place for paladins, though perhaps with some changes.. Sir John of Cimmaron Country is also a paladin I think? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:47:12 -0800 From: dlegend@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara - -----Original Message----- From: GUIDAULT Marc-Antoine To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara >>I'm sure you have all heard this question before...but here we go. Are >there Paladins in Mystara and if so where. (A player asked me so now i >have to pretend like I looked it up somewhere :> ) >>Stephen Dolan > > Hi all ... > > I'm not the living canon of Mystara, buti think there're Paladins on >Mystara as : > - They're introduced even in OD&D in the green-blue box. ( the lawfull >travelling fighter). > - AD&D present "paladin" as a major sub-class so they may want us to >play it ! > - Many OD&D modules use the Avenger (the opposite of the paladin). >Since everything exists as its opposite exist ... > >Where ? >Well it's rather difficult to say ... Paladin are rare (more than Dragon >?) ... perhaps in temple when they rest ... > > Hoping it answears you ... > > > Friendly > Marcus > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > A good place to find a paladin would be in the Order of the Griffon, located in Karameikos. dlegend@earthlink.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:19:30 -0800 (PST) From: David Kronhamn Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Castellan Keep - ---DJ Sahlas wrote: > The Church of Evil Chaos is a group I created to explain the existence > of the Shrine of Evil Chaos described in module B2. > > I wrote up a rough outline of the organization with stats for about a > dozen NPCs. They didn't worship a particular deity, but had power granted > to them by Alphaks and a few others. They were anarchists at heart, but I > implied to my players that the organization was behind a lot of the plots in > the Known World, and left them in the background to supply a little intrigue > every time they thought they knew what was what. > Sounds very similar to my Church of Chaos. IMC they have appeared most frequently as allies to the Black Eagle helping him in his plans to overthrow Stefan (pre-WotI, ofcourse) == David University of Lund, Sweden David_Kronhamn@hermes.ics.lu.se dkronhamn@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:48:28 -0600 From: "Jeff & Lauri Fox" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone... Hi I might be able to help. Try Parvez Yusufji at parvezy@intertech-NS.com for a possible gaming connection. I am willing to trade OD&D stuff let me know what you've got. >I'm looking for two things....first anyone who wants to trade OD&D stuff >....second anyone who lives in the St. Louis, MO area that's willing to >game....thanx Mike Later, Jeff & Laurie Fox BransCon III Coordinators RPGA Regional Directors GAM President & Vice-president All-around fun folks *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:53:01 -0600 From: "Jeff & Lauri Fox" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria > B1-9 In Search of Adventure I want B1-9 if it is still available. How much are you asking? Mike, I am told I should easily get 75 dollars for it. If this sounds like to much I thought so too. let me know. 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[MYSTARA] - Here's my OD&D stuff to those whom have asked Re: [MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] A Reminder on Copyright Violation on The List Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:51:39 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I need some help..... On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 Nurvel@aol.com wrote: > First off i need to know the text book definition want a God's avatar is. I > also need to know if an Immortal can have an avatar. Finally.....can anyone > point out a site with some good maps on it An avatar is a manifestation of a god. Ie, not the actual God, but a physical representation of the God. In AD&D terms an avatar is a body created and controlled by a God. According to Wrath of the Immortals, boxed set, Immortals can have avatars (Its an optional rule though). The main advantage of having avatars is that the Immortal can be at several places at the same time. AFAIK, there is no maximum number of avatars that an Immortal can have. Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:35:07 +1300 From: Richard Vowles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara Stephen Dolan wrote: > I'm sure you have all heard this question before...but here we go. Are > there Paladins in Mystara and if so where. (A player asked me so now i > have to pretend like I looked it up somewhere :> ) The Paladin (from the Companion set) A wandering fighter (Travelling on page47) may become a Paladin if s/he meets the following criteria: 1. A fighter must swear fealty (an oath of service) to a Lwful church to gain Paladin status. The fighter must be Name level or greater to be accepted by the church. Thereafter, the Paladin may be summoned by the churchs leaders (the Theocracy) at any time, and must do as they command, as long as the service aids the powers of Good. 2. A Paladin can detect evil (as the cleric spell) up to once per round, simply by concentrating (Range: 40m) 3. If the Paladins Wisdom score is 13 or greater, the character can cast cleric spells as if a cleric of one-third the level of the fighter (round down). If the Wisdom score is 12 or less, the fighter can still be a Paladin but cannot cast spells. For example, a 17th level Paladin can cast spells as a 5th level cleric. The Paladin learns how to meditate and cast spells from the clerics of the church. The clerics will refuse any offer of compensation or payment for this service. 4. A Paladin can Turn Undead (see Turning Undead on page24), as if a cleric of one-third the level of the fighter, rounded down. 5. A Paladin may only travel with a number of hirelings equal to no more then his clerical level. 6. A Paladin must assist anyone who asks for help - with two exceptions, evil need not be aided, and if the Paladin is on a mission for a higher authority (such as a Quest, saving a Duke, mission for an Immortal, etc.), only a small amount of help need be given, along with an explanation. Assistance never involves donations of money or items, but only service for a short time. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:32:14 +0200 From: "Solmyr of the Azure Star" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres >stupidity. Namely, if the whole dispute between Rad and Ixion was about >whether or not the Nucleus should be used -- knowing the detrimental effect >its magic-drain would ultimately have on Mystara's magical races and life >forms -- then WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE BLOODY THING OFF-PLANET!?! > Others have already pointed out why this would be difficult at best, I'll add another point: Rad would never have agreed to it. After all, Glantri exists only because the Nucleus is beneath it, and all those wizards are searching for its secrets. Removing the Nucleus would basically cause the dissolution of Brotherhood of Radiance, rob Rad of most of his followers (since there would be no more Radiance to "worship"), and probably leave very little of Glantri. ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:08:43 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres >To start with, anyone who attempted to move the Nucleus of the Spheres >would clearly be seen as taking Ixion's side. And since moving this artifact >would have constituted direct intervention on the Prime Plane, it is unlikely >that five Hierarchs would have agreed on the necessity of moving it. Forget >about whether it would have been physically possible for the Immortals to >move the Nucleus to another plane -- it would have been politically >impossible. So removing an artifact from Mystara, which threatens its existence as a magical world, would violate Immortal law ... but placing NEW artifacts there -- which various Immortal busybodies do, all the time! -- doesn't? How about Ka's "intervening" to stop a certain gigantic meteor-strike from wiping out hundreds of species on the surface? Or the Council of Intrusion's readiness, should it become necessary, to head off invasions of hungry draedens from space? Or virtually every Immortal in Pandius joining forces, to prevent the GRoF from completely shattering the planet, instead of just knocking it askew on its axis? Clearly, there ARE circumstances under which the Immortals use their powers freely, to protect Mystara and its people from Immortal/Exalted/apocalyse-level threats. Equally clearly, the NoS WAS a threat of that magnitude, albeit one with a very slow fuse. Immortal law only forbids them from directly interfering with mortals, NOT with the whole of the Prime! If Immortals can't be invoked by the DM to remove troublesome artifacts from the game -- specifically, artifacts which have passed into PC hands, and are unbalancing the campaign with their power -- then we gamemasters are going to have a LOT more trouble with "Monty Haul" adventurers than we'd ever have, due to Immortals intervention. Removing the Nucleus would have altered Mystara's future, yes ... but influencing the course of history's a prerogative Immortals OUGHT to be entitled to; it wouldn't really be "interfering with mortals", simply because mortals don't have an Immortal's perspective, to know what the future will hold! If necessary, Rad and a coalition of Energy-Immortals could've created a substitute "Nucleus" -- perhaps under Rafiel's direction, since he's already got the shadow elves constructing an item that serves the same functions -- without the wizards of Glantri (few of whom even know the Nucleus exists) ever being the wiser. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:17:32 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres >>WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE BLOODY THING OFF-PLANET!?! >> >Others have already pointed out why this would be difficult at best, I'll >add another point: Rad would never have agreed to it. After all, Glantri >exists only because the Nucleus is beneath it, and all those wizards are >searching for its secrets. Removing the Nucleus would basically cause the >dissolution of Brotherhood of Radiance, rob Rad of most of his followers >(since there would be no more Radiance to "worship"), and probably leave >very little of Glantri.< So create a magical gateway or wormhole to the artifact's new location, through which Brotherhood members could travel to the Nucleus and "recharge" their stored rad-force. Glantrians who aren't in the Brotherhood don't have any tangible evidence of "Rad's" presence -- the Shepherds and their followers take the Radiance's existence on faith, alone - -- so they'd continue to worship the Radiance, regardless of whether or not the Nucleus is there. Etienne could even claim that the gateway's a sensible security-measure, to protect Glantri's source of magical energy from spies and intrusion. And given his personal background as a plane-traveler, he might be able to construct such a gate/pocket-plane arrangement without using his Immortal powers. Rotipher, who's just warming up into her "Devil's Advocate" role ;-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:04:50 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres At 10.38 07/01/99 +1300, Richard Vowles wrote: >The Nucleus of the Spheres has never made any sense to me. > >Supposedly, according to 'canon' - magic existed before the "Beagle" >landed on Mystara. The BlackMoor civilisation took parts of the Beagle >and created a mixed magic/technology civilisation (or had they already >done this when they discovered the Beagle? At what time did Rheddrian >wake up?). The explosions that destroyed Blackmoor supposedly set the >fusion engines of the Beagle underneath Glantri City, IIRC the Nucleus was later moved by the Old Ones. >but wasn't the whole of the continent of Brun under an ice sheet? So, what? As you said there was an explosion. The Nucleus may have been hurled in the air (space?) by the explosion and it may have landed several miles away. >How on Mystara did it get to Glantri??? As I said before it was moved by the Old Ones. >Why did it suddenly become the source of all magic on Mystara? It isn't. It's just the source of the Radiance. >If it is so unstable, why oh why doen't Benekander (one of the >original ship engineers) fix it? Because it has been modified by the Old Ones. Now it's technomagical stuff, so an enginner is not able to fix it... (yes, even enginners aren't almighty... almost :) >I'm sure if I thought about it for long enough, I could come up with a >whole host of other inconsistencies. I don't think that Mr Allston took >much time in ensuring that it fit into play with the rest of the history >when creating WotI - any comments anyone? I'm sure you can, but I'm also sure that everyone of us wouldn't have been able to write WotI without any inconcistency :-) ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net S.F. 49ers 30 - Green Bay 27 Go Niners! ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:06:20 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... At 02.12 06/01/99 EST, Nurvel@aol.com wrote: >To whom this may concern...i'm not sure if the editors of the Almanac are >about to produce the next one, but i would like to see if i can help write >some of it......or just add a few things to the next one We're working on the 1016 Almanac. Feel free to post your ideas on the MML. We're eager to read them. ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net S.F. 49ers 30 - Green Bay 27 Go Niners! ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:51:45 -0600 From: anowack@juno.com (Aaron E Nowack) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:12:55 EST Nurvel@aol.com writes: >To whom this may concern...i'm not sure if the editors of the Almanac >are >about to produce the next one, but i would like to see if i can help >write >some of it......or just add a few things to the next one If you want to participate in making the 1016 Almanac, you're a bit late. Events are already begining final editing, at least in the Alphatian Sea group. However, I believe that you would be welcome to help in making the 1017 Almanac, once work on it gets started. Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:04:43 -0600 From: anowack@juno.com (Aaron E Nowack) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:59:20 -0500 Sharon Dornhoff writes: >>> I believe WoTI mentions that the Old One which modified it moved it >>> to its present location. > > >This brings up the one thing (well, the most prominent thing....) >about the >WotI storyline, that drives me up the wall with the Immortals' blatant >stupidity. Namely, if the whole dispute between Rad and Ixion was >about >whether or not the Nucleus should be used -- knowing the detrimental >effect >its magic-drain would ultimately have on Mystara's magical races and >life >forms -- then WHY THE HECK DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE BLOODY THING >OFF-PLANET!?! > A few reasons: First, for all they know, trying to move it might result in Great Rain of Fire Mark II. Second, they may not be able to. Third, doing so might not solve anything. Magic is not just localized to Mystara. The Nucleus is draining the magic of the entire Prime Plane, or maybe the entire Multiverse (or even the whole multi-dimensional mishmass of creation that TSR never bothered to name). ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:52:17 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AB1.E71A1770 Content-Type: text/plain Hello people. I am a long time lurker chasing some information. I am able to purchase copies of the Poor Wizards almanac 2 & 3 2nd hand. The only catch being that they dont have removable maps from the back of each volume. I was hoping some of you helpful mystarans could tell me whether these maps are particularly different from the ones present in the Poor Wizards almanac 1. If they are different, what sort of differences are. Nothing to specific, just to give me a general idea of whether i should spend my time looking for complete copies of the almanac. Especially since the asking price on 2nd hand mystara stuff is fairly high over here. Thanks in advance. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AB1.E71A1770 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Official Almanac.

Hello people.
I am a long time lurker chasing some = information. I am able to purchase copies of the Poor Wizards almanac 2 = & 3 2nd hand. The only catch being that they dont have removable = maps from the back of each volume. I was hoping some of you helpful = mystarans could tell me whether these maps are particularly different = from the ones present in the Poor Wizards almanac 1. If they are = different, what sort of differences are. Nothing to specific, just to = give me a general idea of whether i should spend my time looking for = complete copies of the almanac. Especially since the asking price on = 2nd hand mystara stuff is fairly high over here.

Thanks in advance.


Jason Murphy
Software Engineer
MITS Limited
EMAIL: = jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au
PHONE: 08 9481 4066
FAX: 08 9481 4064


- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AB1.E71A1770-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:28:18 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara In a message dated 1/7/99 9:46:21 AM Central Standard Time, dolan@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu writes: << I'm sure you have all heard this question before...but here we go. Are there Paladins in Mystara and if so where. (A player asked me so now i have to pretend like I looked it up somewhere :> ) Stephen Dolan >> I use them in my campaigns.........Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:42:48 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone... In a message dated 1/7/99 12:47:05 PM Central Standard Time, fror@gte.net writes: << Hi I might be able to help. Try Parvez Yusufji at parvezy@intertech-NS.com for a possible gaming connection. I am willing to trade OD&D stuff let me know what you've got. >> Are you willing to swap photocopies of stuff...because I don't want to trade originals......I will post a copy of the stuff i have *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:48:42 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - I need some help..... In a message dated 1/7/99 12:52:51 PM Central Standard Time, hoc@nvg.ntnu.no writes: << An avatar is a manifestation of a god. Ie, not the actual God, but a physical representation of the God. In AD&D terms an avatar is a body created and controlled by a God. According to Wrath of the Immortals, boxed set, Immortals can have avatars (Its an optional rule though). The main advantage of having avatars is that the Immortal can be at several places at the same time. AFAIK, there is no maximum number of avatars that an Immortal can have. Håvard >> Thanks for your help.........Mike.... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:57:17 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... In a message dated 1/7/99 4:26:17 PM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it writes: << We're working on the 1016 Almanac. Feel free to post your ideas on the MML. We're eager to read them. ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net >> Kwl..thanks..I have some ideas for King Stephans fate..... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:55:46 -0700 From: "Leroy Van Camp III" Subject: [MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] A Reminder on Copyright Violation on The List Mystarans, I just want to remind some people that, as per the FAQ, copyright violations are not tolerated, and this includes using the list to ask others to trade illegal copies of Mystara material. If you feel the need to do these things, take it off the list to private e-mail. Thank you. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@lesbois.com ICQ #20039817 "Well, it seems the people see you as something of an ogre, sir." "What? Why, I ought to crush them and eat their bones!" The Simpsons *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:04:51 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. Well the almanacs to me are a must. I have the 3rd one and the map is vital if you use Alphatia in your campaign....I would look on to find a good copies of them *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:02:40 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... In a message dated 1/7/99 8:32:01 PM Central Standard Time, anowack@juno.com writes: << If you want to participate in making the 1016 Almanac, you're a bit late. Events are already begining final editing, at least in the Alphatian Sea group. However, I believe that you would be welcome to help in making the 1017 Almanac, once work on it gets started. Aaron Nowack >> Just let me know when to start mailing for AC1017...someone else told me that i could still mail stuff for 1016..this is stuff for Karameikos.....Let me know *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:41 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC5.A860A0D0 Content-Type: text/plain ahh...thanks :) As i said...i do have the first one, which comes with a map. The main thing i was questioning was whether the maps in each almanac are significantly different. I must admit i did enjoy my read of the first one, it created an interesting story. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nurvel@aol.com [SMTP:Nurvel@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 1:05 PM > To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. > > Well the almanacs to me are a must. I have the 3rd one and the map is > vital > if you use Alphatia in your campaign....I would look on to find a good > copies > of them > ************************************************************************** > * > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > line > 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC5.A860A0D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac.

ahh...thanks = :)
As i said...i do = have the first one, which comes with a map. The main thing i was = questioning was whether the maps in each almanac are significantly = different. I must admit i did enjoy my read of the first one, it = created an interesting story.


Jason Murphy
Software Engineer
MITS Limited
EMAIL: = jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au
PHONE: 08 9481 4066
FAX: 08 9481 4064


    -----Original Message-----
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    Well the almanacs to = me are a must.  I have the 3rd one and the map is vital
    if you use Alphatia = in your campaign....I would look on to find a good copies
    of them
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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC5.A860A0D0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:25:53 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Here's my OD&D stuff to those whom have asked Here is my OD&D stuff Adventures X1 Isle of Dread X6 Quagmire X8 Drums on Fire Mountain IM1 Immortal Storm B1-9 In Search of Adventure Gazeteers G10 Orcs of Thar G12 Golden Khan of Ethengar Dwarves of Rockhome Republic of Darokin The Norther Reaches (no map...need one) Kingdom of Nithia Kingdom of Ierendi..(photocopy) Dawn of the Emperors Almanacs PWA 3 Second Edition stuff Karameikos Box Glantri Box Player and DM's Survival Kit Hail the Heroes ADV Night of the Vampire ADV Mark of Amber ADV *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:26:41 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [ADMIN] A Reminder on Copyright Violation on The List In a message dated 1/7/99 11:00:37 PM Central Standard Time, malacoda@lesbois.com writes: << Mystarans, I just want to remind some people that, as per the FAQ, copyright violations are not tolerated, and this includes using the list to ask others to trade illegal copies of Mystara material. If you feel the need to do these things, take it off the list to private e-mail. Thank you. >> Sorry I will stop *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:27:11 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. In a message dated 1/7/99 11:15:52 PM Central Standard Time, jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au writes: << As i said...i do have the first one, which comes with a map. The main thing i was questioning was whether the maps in each almanac are significantly different. I must admit i did enjoy my read of the first one, it created an interesting story. >> Oh..ok..well can't help ya there *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #775 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Friday, January 8 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 776 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: RE: [MYSTARA] - Here's my OD&D stuff to those whom have asked Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara [MYSTARA] - Belcadiz, part 3 [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:35:13 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Here's my OD&D stuff to those whom have asked This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC8.AA7651C0 Content-Type: text/plain DAMN DAMN DAMN.....i hope you realise how lucky you are to have B1-9. I have been hunting it for around 4 years now and havent managed to find it. I curse the day i saw it after it was initially released over here and didnt buy. It is a real thorn in my side as i would say i have around 90% of all mystara stuff released including all the gazzeteers. Well back to my fruitless quest. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nurvel@aol.com [SMTP:Nurvel@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 1:26 PM > To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM > Subject: [MYSTARA] - Here's my OD&D stuff to those whom have asked > > Here is my OD&D stuff > > Adventures > X1 Isle of Dread > X6 Quagmire > X8 Drums on Fire Mountain > IM1 Immortal Storm > B1-9 In Search of Adventure > > Gazeteers > G10 Orcs of Thar > G12 Golden Khan of Ethengar > Dwarves of Rockhome > Republic of Darokin > The Norther Reaches (no map...need one) > Kingdom of Nithia > Kingdom of Ierendi..(photocopy) > Dawn of the Emperors > > Almanacs > PWA 3 > > Second Edition stuff > Karameikos Box > Glantri Box > Player and DM's Survival Kit > Hail the Heroes ADV > Night of the Vampire ADV > Mark of Amber ADV > ************************************************************************** > * > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > line > 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC8.AA7651C0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MYSTARA] - Here's my OD&D stuff to those whom have = asked

DAMN DAMN DAMN.....i = hope you realise how lucky you are to have B1-9. I have been hunting it = for around 4 years now and havent managed to find it. I curse the day i = saw it after it was initially released over here and didnt buy. It is a = real thorn in my side as i would say i have around 90% of all mystara = stuff released including all the gazzeteers. Well back to my fruitless = quest.


Jason Murphy
Software Engineer
MITS Limited
EMAIL: = jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au
PHONE: 08 9481 4066
FAX: 08 9481 4064


    -----Original Message-----
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    To:     mystara-l@MPGN.COM
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    Here is my OD&D = stuff

    Adventures
    X1 Isle of = Dread
    X6 Quagmire
    X8 Drums on Fire = Mountain
    IM1 Immortal = Storm
    B1-9 In Search of = Adventure

    Gazeteers
    G10 Orcs of = Thar
    G12 Golden Khan of = Ethengar
    Dwarves of = Rockhome
    Republic of = Darokin
    The Norther Reaches = (no map...need one)
    Kingdom of = Nithia
    Kingdom of = Ierendi..(photocopy)
    Dawn of the = Emperors

    Almanacs
    PWA 3

    Second Edition = stuff
    Karameikos = Box
    Glantri Box
    Player and DM's = Survival Kit
    Hail the Heroes = ADV
    Night of the = Vampire ADV
    Mark of Amber = ADV
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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC8.AA7651C0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:14:11 +0200 (EET) From: a122286@students.cc.tut.fi Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara Stephen Dolan wrote >I'm sure you have all heard this question before...but here we go. Are >there Paladins in Mystara and if so where. (A player asked me so now i >have to pretend like I looked it up somewhere :> ) (Dam me. Just made a mistake... and now I'll have to type again...) Sure there are, both in D&D and AD&D systems. But I dont know about your campaign... IMC I handle paladins like this: There are paladins. But they are not quite like the AD&D oriented peoples tend to stereotypify them. I mean that they are not some badly programmed killers of evil -automatons. (I really hate that stereotype) Rather, my paladins are a bit more varied... Paladis allways have a strong faith in the church or Immortal (religion) they belong to, or at least they keep up a good appearance of faith. They have acted according to the expectations of the religions as well as they are able. Furthermore, they have provided the religion with some good services, usually in the line of fighting (though not allways, sometimes its more of leading the fighting men, or rarely even some economical services...), but not as mercenaries, rather as men who has seen the work as their duty (allthough accepting some reward or upkeeping is not denied). After that they have either offered their lifes to the work of the religion, or the religion has honored them by asking them to join the ranks. Whichever, there are the wows to be made, and the paladin usually spends some time in studying the religion if he (yes, in most Mystaran countries he) has not done it yet (skill: honor at level 0 or 1 (as in the system i have posted long time ago)). Some of them learn spells too (according to the DD system Richard Vowles copied to the list allready). After the wows the paladin has some dutyes to perform for ever on. They depend a lot on the church, but include at least, honoring the religion, defending the name and the property of the church, answering the calls and pleas of religion-officials etc. So the paladin is a role played person IMC, not just some rulecombination. And he will have to start being paladin long before getting to the really became a paladin. - --- Here are some paladins and knightly orders that my players might have met in my games, if you are interested: - -The paladines of Ylyarum. Yes, as someone suggested, there are paladins in ylaruam, only somewhat modified, and with a different name (according to the gaz) - -the order of Griffon, Karameikos. The fighting order of the Church of Karameikos. Some of the members are clerics though, and some more like common knights (less pious that a paladin should be), but they all wear the nam of paladin. There is even one squire that is a gnome there :) (thats a long story, that started when one of my more AD&D oriented players claimed that there can not be gnome paladins. Now she thinks, that wether there can be gnome paladins, or wether there can not, there should be able to be gnome paladins. Maybe I'll type that one in sometime...) - -The Heldannic Order. The heldannic faith of Vanya employs paladins, allthough some of them are actually more like robber-knights... - -The Order of Tarastia, Thyatis. The immortal patron of law and justice, Tarastia has some paladins on her ranks. These are actually quite close to the standard picture of paladins, I think... - -The Order of the Road, Darokin. These Knights have a duty to spent a part (often 2 months at minimum) of their year on traveling, and keeping the major roads of darokin safe. Some of these are of less high birth. They have the right to demand shelter on any house by the roads they travel. - -The Order of the Rebublic, Darokin. These knight have the duty to answer any call of arm when there is a risk of war. These knights tend to be of high births, and the order ranks higher than the order of the road. However the knights of the road have usually been more respected or liked by the players - -The Order of Karameikos, Karameikos. The knights named by king Stefan are marked as belonging to this order, allthough the order is less formulated. There are some who would like to define the order better though, and maybe have more than one order. - -The Order of the three suns, Penhaligon, Karameikos. Yes i have this order, allthough it is not as numerous as in the books, and flynn is not there. This order is ranked below the order of the Karameikos. These knights would like to see a system of three ranks of knights in karameikos. the highest rank being the Order of karameikos, namely those knight who fought beside king, or who have otherwise shown their valour in real combat. A second rank of less esteemed knights of the kingdom, and a third rank, into which would belong all the knights named by the various barons etc. - -Various orders in thyatis. There are many orders in thyatis, but they are often more like brotherhoods of fighters than real knights. They also pop out everywhere, as there isn't any real system there. However, I have had some knights of the Empire, Named by the emperor. Its just more common for Thincol to give these individuals rank in the military. Also some areas in Thyatis have have more formulated ranks too. - -Order of the Flaem, Glantri. The principality of bergdhoven has a honorary title for 'noble' warriors comparable to knighthood. They are the sworn defenders of the flaems, and the traditions. hope this gives you some ideas... Pasi - -- X Pasi Anias X p.03 - 2533536 X \\|// X X Sammonkatu 8-10 G 62 X a122286@proffa X (o o) X X 33540 Tampere X .cc.tut.fi X o000--(_)--000o X *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:23:29 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara In a message dated 1/8/99 2:18:20 AM Central Standard Time, a122286@students.cc.tut.fi writes: << -The Order of Karameikos, Karameikos. The knights named by king Stefan are marked as belonging to this order, allthough the order is less formulated. There are some who would like to define the order better though, and maybe have more than one order. -The Order of the three suns, Penhaligon, Karameikos. Yes i have this order, allthough it is not as numerous as in the books, and flynn is not there. This order is ranked below the order of the Karameikos. These knights would like to see a system of three ranks of knights in karameikos. the highest rank being the Order of karameikos, namely those knight who fought beside king, or who have otherwise shown their valour in real combat. A second rank of less esteemed knights of the kingdom, and a third rank, into which would belong all the knights named by the various barons etc. >> Do you have any write ups on these orders...I am going to have a Knighthood after King Stephan because in my timeline he is the avatar of Halav, and is going to lead Karameikos to a golden era...until the new threat.....????? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:33:34 +0100 From: Alvin Gellert Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara >IMC I handle paladins like this: > >There are paladins. But they are not quite like the AD&D oriented peoples >tend to stereotypify them. I mean that they are not some badly programmed >killers of evil -automatons. (I really hate that stereotype) Rather, my >paladins are a bit more varied... I agree with you on the part about Paladins not being "Slay-all-evil-without-any-thoughts-of-my-own" stereo types. Paladins are of course always good aligned, but I consider paladins to (in most cases) to be wise enough to know that it is better to serve justice than the law in some cases. One of the perfect paladins I have seen described, is Sparhawk, from David Eddings. In case you haven't read those books, they are definetly worth your time and attention. I think the first series with him is "The Eleniad", and the second is "The Tamuli". Sparhawk is a church knight, and acts like a True Paladin would, in my opinion. Alvin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:33:57 +0200 (EET) From: Harri M{ki Subject: [MYSTARA] - Belcadiz, part 3 The Republic of Highlands The negotiations after death of Halzunthram were difficult for Don Fernando. His every instinct was against joining humans in the new regime, but he realised the advantages that it would bring to elves. They would have allies against humanoids of Broken Lands. The other point was that although he could be sure that most of the current human leaders would be his friends, he couldn't be sure about the future generations. His brother Don Alfonso pressured him also very hard for joining, because he could think only its military advantages. So Don Fernando was with Morphail Gorewitch-Woszlany the last one to join the new republic. At the first meeting of the Council Don Fernando was unanimously chosen as Chamberlain of the Land. He was happy with this office. He was by nature diplomat and administrator and could now use his talents to their best for building new roads and bridges, tending forests and supervising building of three forts at the borders. He was also made as first Marques of Alhambra by the council. Alexander Glantri's death at the hands of Vortram in AC 835 again nearly destroyed his fate to humans. It was again proof that you can never trust them. He was saddened also because he had seen in Alexander the only man capable to hold the state together. Fortunately his foreboding was erroneous. He was mostly out of the politics in the Glantri City for next ten years traveling around the land. He was represented in the Council meetings by his brother. He was personally there only in AC 845 when there were discussed about Etienne d'Ambreville's petition to accept Nouvelle Averoigne in Glantri. He was first against this, but when Etienne announced that he also planned to construct a school for magic-users in Glantri City, Don Fernando changes his mind. He saw immediately all the advantages that kind of school would made. In that meeting Don Fernando also first time meet Friedrich von Drachenfels and realised that this was the man who could be equal to Alexander Glantri in politics. When Friedrich began to hint him about his and Etienne's plans about making Glantri a state ruled by magic-users in AC 852, Don Fernando was from the beginning behind it. He thought that reserving the rulership to more intelligent people would lessen the chaos, improve the cohesion of country and lessen the possibilities of wars. Unfortunately in this his foreboding went wrong. When the declaration was issued in AC 858 the elves were nearly all behind it. There were only very minor opposition, which didn't even took arms but leave the country voluntary. Personal tragedy Year 858 was also otherwise happy year for Don Fernando. His son Don Carlo was born this year. Every elf was happy for Don Fernando and Dona Charlena, because their long efforts had at last bear a fruit. Next two years were happiest of their life. But then there begun to gather dark clouds. There seemed to be something wrong with their son. He had difficulties for learning to speak and when he at last in the age of 5 could speak something it was obviuos that he wasn't mentally at the level of other child of same age. Don Fernando and Dona Charlena were devastated when it was clear that their son wouldn't never learn even to read. All this was kept secret from the outside world. They said that Don Carlo had a bad health so want strain him with meeting of outsiders. When it was absolutely sure that there was no cure for Don Carlo, Don Fernando was so devastated that he decided that his son should never meet other people. He took him secret place which only he and clans sage knew and afterwards announced that his son has died. Dona Charlena guessed what has happened and never forgave his husband that he did that without consulting her firs. She was told later were Don Carlo were and given permission to visit there. Don Fernando hoped that they could have an other child to succeed him, but these hopes were crashed in AC 869 when Dona Charlena on his way back home from visit at his brother Charan was slain by ambush of orcs. Don Fernando feeled like his whole world was crumbling around him. Don Fernando blamed his brother-in-law for his wives death and broke all relations with Erewan. This began the development that culminated in the division of Elven Principality in AC 884. During these 15 years Erewan were reduced to second-class citizens in Elven principality. There were harsher sentences for them, harsher taxation and so on. The division of Principality was hard pillow to swallow for Don Fernando and it broke his good relations with Friedrich von Drachenfels, but anyhow when Friedrich died two years later even Don Fernando couldn't say a bad word about him. Last years When Etienne d'Ambreville asked Don Fernando to give classes in the Great School of Magic after it was opened in AC 875, he was delighted. He couldn't anymore find relief at his work school only to Etienne in school. So it was no surprise that after d'Ambrevilles' disappearance in AC 896 he was chosen as new Grandmaster. He now spend all his time in school or in rare visits with his mentally retarded son. At first new responsibilities seemed to revive him but after AC 910 his state of mind began to get worse. His visited his son more frequently and everyone in School realised that every time he came back from Alhambra he was more depressed. Then in AC 912 he made surprise announcement that he would give up his position as Prince to his brother Don Alfonso, which also meant that he would give up his position as Grandmaster. He went back to Alhambra and only two months later Don Alfonso announced that his brother had died at the age of 331. In fact Don Fernando had hanged himself in his sons chamber. He had considered his life and seen it as a total failure. He has surrendered the independence of the elves to human, he had caused the division of the elven Principality, he had made everyones life miserable. He couldn't stand it anymore. He also considered killing his son first, but in the end he couldn't do it. Harri Mäki hihama@uta.fi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:04:03 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'") Subject: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:55:58 -0500 The Working Groups of the Mystara Mailing List compiled by Geoff Gander, with help from Hervé Musseau, Fabrizio Paoli, and Marco Dalmonte Mystaran Net Almanac Continuing where the Poor Wizard's Almanacs and Joshuan's Almanac left off, a small group of dedicated Mystara fans has kept the idea of this publication alive. Each year an issue is released, detailling the various events that happen in Mystara for a given year, as well as providing details on new nations, and important developments. If you wish to take part in this production, feel free to contact the following people for more information: Alphatian Sea: Herve Musseau (herve@hotmail.com) Hollow World: Thorfinn Tait (Rathanos@velvia.demon.co.uk), or Herve Musseau Isle of Dawn: Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu), or Herve Musseau Davania: Geoff Gander (ganderg@tc.gc.ca) Norwold: Marco Dalmonte (mdalmonte@hotmail.com), or Herve Musseau Wendar/Denagoth: Marco Dalmonte (mdalmonte@hotmail.com) Old World: Michael Roy (mroy@cyberus.ca) (Heldannic Knights): Geoff Gander (ganderg@tc.gc.ca) (Shadow Elves): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) (Goblinoids): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) (Atruaghin): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) Savage Coast: Michael Roy (mroy@cyberus.ca) (City-States): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) (Hule): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) (Yavdlom): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) and Geoff Gander (ganderg@tc.gc.ca) (Gombar/Suma'a) Shawn Stanley (shawn@leme.anu.edu.au) Economica Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) MOrient Project Although the continent of Brun on Mystara has received a lot of detail, whole sections of this world have not. This group is developing oriental cultures, with a distinctly Mystaran flavour, for the mysterious continent of Skothar, the great eastern continent. If you want to participate in developing new cultures and ideas that break the stereotypes, why not contact Joe Duncan (jduncan2@chat.carleton.ca)? NPC Gallery Tired of reusing the same old NPCs? Ever wish you had a vast collection of NPCs available at your fingertips to add extra depth to your campaign? Why not contact Jenni Merrifield (strawberry@jamm.com)? She is compiling a collection of various NPCs, from all walks of life, that you can easily insert in your own campaigns. All of these have been contributed by fellow list members. If you have some NPCs of your own you'd like to share, why not send them to her? Cynidicea Working Group B4 - The Lost City. This classic adventure details the lost, underground city of Cynidicea, a realm of bizarre inhabitants and fierce otherworldly beings. The members of this group feel that much more can be had from this scenario than what is already written, and they are working to both add extra details, and expand the adventure into a full-scale campaign setting for all levels of play. Interested? Email Geoff Gander (au998@freenet.carleton.ca) for more information. SaveMystara Working Group Although Mystara products are no longer produced by TSR, some members of this list are dedicated to bringing it back. Using petitions, home-written adventures to be published by the RPGA, and other means, these people are diligently trying to get our favourite campaign world published once again. Want to join in on the action? We can always use an extra hand! Contact Jeff Daly (jdaly@friend.ly.net) for more information. Alphatian Gazetteers Alphatia, empire of intrigue and mystery. In all of TSR's official products concerning this vast empire, very little information was actually given concerning what goes on in the various kingdoms that comprise this great empire, or even what these kingdoms are like. This group is trying to change this by writing up short gazetteers describing the various cities of each of these kingdoms, major political players, as well as a general feel for what each of these realms is like. There's plenty of room for your imagination here, and there is so much left to do! Contact Jeff Daly (jdaly@friend.ly.net) or Geoff Gander (au998@freenet.carleton.ca) for more information. Ancient Mystara Although "official" sources say the first great civilization was Blackmoor, some sages realize that this is not so. Great empires and heroes flourished, and fell, in a time long before the men of Blackmoor placed stone upon stone. What remains of these ancient realms today? Do the obsidian spires of ancient Y'hog still rise high, somewhere beneath the seas, do the men of fabled Lhomarr still live upon this world, and what of the great artifacts of yore that were lost in those ancient times? If you are interested in adding more detail to a Mystara of long ago, or of creating remnants of that time for the present day, send an email to Geoff Gander (au998@freenet.carleton.ca), or Mystaros (mystaros@aol.com). Davania Team Davania, the forgotten continent. This phrase no longer applies, as year by year more explorers bravely head south, probing deeper into forgotten jungles and hellish deserts, uncovering remnants of empires long dead, and those still living. These are realms beyond the knowledge of even the brightest sages, different from those of the "Known World." If you are interested in developing new cultures or ideas for this fascinating continent, contact Geoff Gander (au998@freenet.carleton.ca) for more information. Underocean What lurks under the seas of Mystara? Far more than a realm of the deeps, Underocean is home to a vast range of interesting races and cultures. Witness the turmoil as the kingdoms of the merrow and the tritons fight off insidious hordes of devilfish, observe the aquatic elves fashion wonders only dreamed of by land swellers. While the lands of Mystara are vast, those lying under the sea are still greater. Join Aaron Nowack (anowack@juno.com) as he plumbs the depths of the world. If you are interested in helping out, drop him an email... Mystaraspace Project Does Mystara have its own Green Men? This discussion group is trying to find out! Join it to flesh out the planets and the secrets of Mystara's Voidspace, linking it with other canonical and new sources for both Mystara and other TSR settings. Knowledge of Spelljammer is good but not required: what you should bring here is Fantasy and Unlimited Imagination! Contact Marco Dalmonte (mdalmonte@hotmail.com). Cyclopaedia Mystara The goal is to develop a comprehensive encyclopaedia of the world, consisting of articles indexed alphabetically and topically. Topics will range from continents and empires down to villages, NPCs, and magic items. Hopefully much of the existing information created by the MML can be incorporated, and the encyclopaedia will also link to individual websites to provide contrasting viewpoints on various subjects. Finally, it will provide extensive references to canon material published by TSR, as well as fan-created articles, so will serve as a one-stop index for all information related to a given topic. We have also been discussing the possibility of "donating" the finished work to TSR for reference and possible inclusion in future Mystara products. We'd appreciate your discussion here on the list; we are still working out the format, content, and legal details. Also if anyone wants to volunteer to coordinate a particular topic, or wants to contribute articles, please contact Mike Harvey (bing@iccom.com). Hollow World References This group aims to provide additional detail on the various cultures of the Hollow World, in the form of gazetteer reference documents. Basic socio-cultural aspects of each people will be covered, as well as NPCs, and other interesting information to aid the DM in fleshing out these hitherto undetailed areas. If you are interested in contributing to this group as a writer, or just helping out, contact Mischa Gelman (megst19+@pitt.edu). The Immortal Project The Immortal Project is aiming to describe all Immortals of Mystara in the format of Faiths & Avatars - a detailed description which tells briefly about each Immortal's priesthood, granted spells and powers, dogma, rituals, church activities, worshipper bases, etc. Contact Aleksei Andrievski (solmyr@kolumbus.fi) for more information. - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. Jason Murphy wrote: >Hello people. >I am a long time lurker chasing some information. I am able to purchase >copies of the Poor Wizards almanac 2 & 3 2nd hand. The only catch being that >they dont have removable maps from the back of each volume. I was hoping >some of you helpful mystarans could tell me whether these maps are >particularly different from the ones present in the Poor Wizards almanac 1. >If they are different, what sort of differences are. Nothing to specific, >just to give me a general idea of whether i should spend my time looking for >complete copies of the almanac. Especially since the asking price on 2nd >hand mystara stuff is fairly high over here. Hi Jason! The maps for PWAs II and III are very useful, in that they detail regions of Mystara not touched before. PWA II's map covers the entire Sea of Dread region, and it maps out a large chunk of northern Davania (revealing many of the more prominent Milenian city-states that survived the fall of that empire). PWA III's map reveals the whole Alphatian Sea region, and it reveals a small portion of interior Skothar, including the entire realm of Minaea (as well as its more prominent cities). Generally speaking, they help expand the mapped portions of Mystara (as done by TSR). Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:42:47 +1300 From: Richard Vowles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Geoff Gander wrote: > Old World: Michael Roy (mroy@cyberus.ca) > (Heldannic Knights): Geoff Gander (ganderg@tc.gc.ca) > (Shadow Elves): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) > (Goblinoids): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) > (Atruaghin): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) No-one is working on The Northern Reaches? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #776 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Saturday, January 9 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 777 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres [MYSTARA] - What if? Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps [MYSTARA] - Mystara and the Mining Co. Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? Re: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? Re: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles [MYSTARA] - Mystara and the Mining Co. Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:25:16 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] In a message dated 1/8/99 4:51:55 PM Central Standard Time, rvowles@sew.co.nz writes: << Geoff Gander wrote: > Old World: Michael Roy (mroy@cyberus.ca) > (Heldannic Knights): Geoff Gander (ganderg@tc.gc.ca) > (Shadow Elves): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) > (Goblinoids): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) > (Atruaghin): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) No-one is working on The Northern Reaches? >> Can anyone instruct me on where I can get some of these.....Especially the Heldannic Knights.....Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:34:56 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps What is the general alignment of Shadow Elves? Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:58:36 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres In a message dated 1999-01-07 16:10:44 Eastern Standard Time, dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes: > If necessary, Rad and a coalition of Energy-Immortals > could've created a substitute "Nucleus" -- perhaps under Rafiel's > direction, since he's already got the shadow elves constructing an item > that serves the same functions -- without the wizards of Glantri (few of > whom even know the Nucleus exists) ever being the wiser. But you forget Rad's reaction to Ixion's warning about the draining of magic from Mystara: "So?" In any case, since the Immortals themselves did not fully understand the Nucleus of the Spheres, Rad would have no way of knowing for sure whether Rafiel's replacement would have served ALL of the same purposes -- and he and his allies were intent on continuing that experiment, regardless of the consequences. Had there been a consensus among the Immortals, the great war of the early 1000s could have been avoided - -- but the Immortals themselves were divided on precisely this point. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:58:38 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres In a message dated 1999-01-07 16:18:53 Eastern Standard Time, dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes: > So create a magical gateway or wormhole to the artifact's new location, > through which Brotherhood members could travel to the Nucleus and > "recharge" their stored rad-force. There is just one problem with that -- the effectiveness of the Radiance depends to a large extent on how close one is to it. That is why the more powerful members of the Brotherhood spend as much time as possible in Glantri City, and why all of its members are located in Glantri itself. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:58:35 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres In a message dated 1999-01-07 16:10:44 Eastern Standard Time, dornhoff@bio.umass.edu writes: > Clearly, there ARE circumstances under which the Immortals use their powers > freely, to protect Mystara and its people from > Immortal/Exalted/apocalyse-level threats. Equally clearly, the NoS WAS a > threat of that magnitude, albeit one with a very slow fuse. But you are totally ignoring the viewpoint of the Fellowship of the Star -- they did not see the Nucleus of the Spheres as a threat and wanted it left exactly where it was. Any attempt to move the Nucleus of the Spheres would have been resisted by that group and by any Immortals sympathetic to them. As for the other apocalyptic threats you mentioned, in every case the Immortals would have been able to secure the permission of at least one Hierarch of each Sphere to perform the necessary intervention. > Immortal law > only forbids them from directly interfering with mortals, NOT with the > whole of the Prime! If Immortals can't be invoked by the DM to remove > troublesome artifacts from the game -- specifically, artifacts which have > passed into PC hands, and are unbalancing the campaign with their power -- > then we gamemasters are going to have a LOT more trouble with "Monty Haul" > adventurers than we'd ever have, due to Immortals intervention. For an Immortal to remove an artifact of his own creation is no problem. For an Immortal or group of Immortals to remove an artifact that many other Immortals want left in place is a completely different matter. Besides, this whole argument about limiting the DM's powers is ridiculous and totally irrelevant. Is there any other artifact that has the interest of so many Immortals as the Nucleus of the Spheres has? And would you seriously have the Immortals remove that artifact from Mystara, thereby drastically altering that world in a way that would totally confound your players? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:08:57 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... At 00.02 08/01/99 EST, Nurvel@aol.com wrote: >Just let me know when to start mailing for AC1017...someone else told me that >i could still mail stuff for 1016..this is stuff for Karameikos.....Let me >know I think we'll start working on AC1017 not earlier than Summer 1999. About the 1016 Almanac. Events for certain areas (like the Alphatian Sea, as Aaron Nowack wrote) are already defined, other areas (e.g. Hule) are still in development. I don't what's the current status of Karameikos events, you've better discussing your ideas to the chief editor Micheal Roy ... well, if you're able to find him. Good Luck :-) ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net S.F. 49ers 30 - Green Bay 27 Go Niners! ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:03:09 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. At 10.52 08/01/99 +0800, Murphy, Jason wrote: > Hello people. >& 3 2nd hand. The only catch being that they dont have removable maps from >the back of each volume. I was hoping some of you helpful mystarans could >tell me whether these maps are particularly different from the ones present >in the Poor Wizards almanac 1. If they are different, what sort of >differences are. Yes, they're different. The map in PWA1 covers the area of Isle of Dawn, Alphatian Sea and Bellisaria. The map in PWA2 covers: southern coast of the KW, Sind, Great Waste, Yavdlom, northern coast of Davania, the Sea of Dread and part of the Isle of Dawn. The map in PWA3 is not very different from the one in PWA1: it has Alphatian Sea, Bellisaria and part of Esterhold and Minaea. The map in Joshuan Almanac... well, better if I don't say what I think about it :-) ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net S.F. 49ers 30 - Green Bay 27 Go Niners! ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps >What is the general alignment of Shadow Elves? Mike In the adventures given in GAZ 5 (Elves of Alfheim), they were listed as chaotic. In the Shadowelves Gaz, the writer wisely corrected this, and allowed shadowelves to have the full range of alignments, with most being Neutral. This makes them far more interesting, being a misunderstood race, and not an evil one. Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:10:36 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles hello all! after seeing just how much attentioned my favoret nation- Glantri has recieved on the MML lately (Harri youre doing a realy great job!) I dug up X2 cause I wanted to do something with the d'Amberville family. but something bothered me- in the description of the family it sais (im translating back from hebrew so there could be misteaks) : "...this family was known for secretly learning magic. in there search for powerthe d'Ambervilles began learning black magic and espcialy magic that had to do with ancient dark gods whose worship was forbidden..." Have any of you ever wrote something up about what this means? In bruse's works almost none of the Ambervilles are nacromancers and they seem to go along with the Glantrian "no god but Rad" motto. I always thought that since the church in Averoign wanted to destroy magic users it accused the ambers of a dark religion and that is also the reason for the ambers dislike for clerics and were mainplayers in estableshing the law against clerics in glantri. another quetion- Simon D'amberville - Ettiens younger brother is a 35 leveled cleric according to Gaz3. Which Immortal does he follow? and which did he follow when he was on l'Ettre? I don't think he was a christian priest. In X2 simon is described as a very wicked person but from Bruse Heards gaz it seems that he is one of the (few) good guys. ? ?? ??? Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "and all the while as vampires feed- I bleed..." /the Pixies *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:16:31 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] > >In a message dated 1/8/99 4:51:55 PM Central Standard Time, rvowles@sew.co.nz >writes: > ><< Geoff Gander wrote: > > > Old World: Michael Roy (mroy@cyberus.ca) > > (Heldannic Knights): Geoff Gander (ganderg@tc.gc.ca) > > (Shadow Elves): Fabrizio Paoli (brizio@lunet.it) > > (Goblinoids): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) > > (Atruaghin): Andrew Theisen (jsmill@imap1.asu.edu) > > No-one is working on The Northern Reaches? > >> >Can anyone instruct me on where I can get some of these.....Especially the >Heldannic Knights.....Mike If you mean the information and events that have been written for the Almanacs of 1014 and 1015, these are available on several websites already. The events concerning the Heldannic Knights for 1016 have already been written by me, and they should be available once this year's Almanac is done. Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 09:13:43 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] >Can anyone instruct me on where I can get some of these.....Especially the >Heldannic Knights.....Mike Bruce has done a lot of work on the HK...I think a lot of it is at Shawn Stanley's site. You can run a search there now. http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5304/ Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 09:14:44 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps >What is the general alignment of Shadow Elves? Mike NG, IIRC Jenn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 09:26:20 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Kavyid wrote: >But you are totally ignoring the viewpoint of the Fellowship of the Star -- >they did not see the Nucleus of the Spheres as a threat and wanted it >left exactly where it was. Any attempt to move the Nucleus of the Spheres >would have been resisted by that group and by any Immortals sympathetic >to them. But I think that the original point of this thread was the problems a few of us had with the rationale for the NoS, not the alliances that keep it there. The point was that it should have been removed long ago...In that case, these alliances never should have formed, and there never would have been a war over the darned thing. It's an exercise in "what ifs". >would you >seriously have the Immortals remove that artifact from >Mystara, thereby >drastically altering that world in a way that would totally confound your >players? IIRC, there was magic on Mystara waaay before the NoS was (re)designed. It concentrates magic, right, but isn't the cause? So I think there might be a few ways to remove it without killing off the elves, etc. The real danger is the magic drain *caused* by the NoS...So IMHO, the NoS is far more dangerous than it is a help... And, no, I for one am not afraid to drastically alter Mystara. My players would enjoy it, as the stranger things get, the more exciting. Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:46:55 PST From: "Ariel Guerra" Subject: [MYSTARA] - What if? Hi all, With all the interesting talk about Glantri and the NoS, I was wondering if anyone has ever thought or does think about this: *What if* Etienne d'Ambreville NEVER came to Mystara? Ariel "To do all that one is able to do is to be a man; to do all that one would like to do is to be a god." --Napoleon I (attributed) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:16:12 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey everyone.... In a message dated 1/9/99 6:36:20 AM Central Standard Time, brizio@lunet.it writes: << I don't what's the current status of Karameikos events, you've better discussing your ideas to the chief editor Micheal Roy ... well, if you're able to find him. Good Luck :-) ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net >> ok thanks....Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:22:34 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps In a message dated 1/9/99 8:12:45 AM Central Standard Time, au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes: << In the adventures given in GAZ 5 (Elves of Alfheim), they were listed as chaotic. In the Shadowelves Gaz, the writer wisely corrected this, and allowed shadowelves to have the full range of alignments, with most being Neutral. This makes them far more interesting, being a misunderstood race, and not an evil one. Geoff >> Hey Geoff, so are you saying that most are TRUE Neutral, or are they Chaotic Neutral.....just curious.....oh by the way.....i am looking for lots of shadowelf stuff....have visited your sight and it has some good stuff......I need more land info.....I have none for Aengmor (sorry if misspelled) at all. I am thinking about running a small Shadow Elf Champaign......Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:23:28 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] In a message dated 1/9/99 8:17:21 AM Central Standard Time, au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes: << If you mean the information and events that have been written for the Almanacs of 1014 and 1015, these are available on several websites already. The events concerning the Heldannic Knights for 1016 have already been written by me, and they should be available once this year's Almanac is done. Geoff >> Ok......I understand now....I thought maybe u guys work cooking up some more Gazeteers......Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:24:57 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] In a message dated 1/9/99 11:15:15 AM Central Standard Time, valerya@hotmail.com writes: << Jenn >> Once again....Thank you Jenn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:28:08 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps In a message dated 1/9/99 11:15:34 AM Central Standard Time, valerya@hotmail.com writes: << >What is the general alignment of Shadow Elves? Mike NG, IIRC Jenn >> I thought they a little more to "misunderstood side" Is there any official alignment for them because i just heard neutral...... Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:42:15 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara and the Mining Co. On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:15:58 -0800 Dru Pagliassotti >To: clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >Subject: Mystara Up > > OK, I added a Mystara list to the AD&D lists, as per your >request. :-) If you mention this to the Mystara mailing list, please >tell them that I'm always happy to receive recommendations for >websites to add, or notes when a website has changed URLs -- I'm sure >I've only just started to explore "what's out there" for Mystara, and >suggestions are always appreciated! > > - Dru > >------------ >The Harrow: http://www.theharrow.com/ >The Rut: http://free.prohosting.com/~harrow/ >RPGs at the Mining Co.: http://roleplaygames.miningco.com/ >World of Samru: http://come.to/samru >Saldon PBEM: http://www.eGroups.com/list/saldon >------------ Hey all....this is realy good news for Mystara fans. Dru does a great job with the other roleplaying stuff on the Mining Co. I recomend that you all go see. http://roleplaygames.miningco.com/ and look under the AD&D heading for Mystara. I'm sure a few of the pages will be familiar to some. :) >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:50:50 PST From: "Elmoar Hierydyl" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? Ariel Guerra wrote: >*What if* Etienne d'Ambreville NEVER came to Mystara? Good question. Aside from the obvious "Glantri would be really different" answer, I think maybe a war between the Flaems and Alphatia at some point, since (according to Dragonlord) they already knew about the Radiance. But this also made me think about Etienne/Rad some. Namely, yeah, I know that he attained Immortality in an unconventional way. But he's only an empyreal--where does he get off going up against the Council of Hierarchs in the first place? For that matter, I think that this is the one character in Mystara who is way too important and far too powerful. Elmoar Hierydyl Arch-Mage of Vyalia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:18:33 +0200 From: "Solmyr of the Azure Star" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles >"...this family was known for secretly learning magic. in there search for powerthe d'Ambervilles began learning black magic and espcialy magic that had to do with ancient dark gods whose worship was forbidden..." > >Have any of you ever wrote something up about what this means? >In bruse's works almost none of the Ambervilles are nacromancers and they seem to go along with the Glantrian "no god but Rad" motto. I always thought that since the church in Averoign wanted to destroy magic users it accused the ambers of a dark religion and that is also the reason for the ambers dislike for clerics and were mainplayers in estableshing the law against clerics in glantri. You don't have to be a necromancer to learn "black magic". And there are several Ambrevilles with appropriate personalities. Henri comes to mind first; then there's also Gilles Grenier, who is an alchemist and a "witch". >another quetion- >Simon D'amberville - Ettiens younger brother is a 35 leveled cleric according to Gaz3. Which Immortal does he follow? None was mentioned in Gaz3, but in MoA it says Razud. Even if Simon is known to be a priest, it's probably not wise for him to reveal his exact Immortal (an Alphatian one... tsk tsk :) >In X2 simon is described as a very wicked person but from Bruse Heards gaz it seems that he is one of the (few) good guys. Well, his alignment is listed as Chaotic in Gaz3 and as NG in G:KoM and MoA. Go figure. Maybe he's reformed during the WotI? ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:27:50 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? In a message dated 1999-01-09 14:51:38 Eastern Standard Time, vyalia@hotmail.com writes: > But this also made me think about Etienne/Rad some. Namely, yeah, I know > that he attained Immortality in an unconventional way. But he's only an > empyreal--where does he get off going up against the Council of > Hierarchs in the first place? For that matter, I think that this is the > one character in Mystara who is way too important and far too powerful. He didn't go up against the Council of Hierarchs -- they split their vote on the Radiance. With no decision agreed to, Rad defied only one Hierarch - -- Ixion, his supposed superior in the Sphere of Energy. This is where he brought up his lack of sponsor as an excuse not to obey Ixion. Had the Council been in agreement, Rad might still have defied them -- but his defiance would have been a mere protest as he would have been helpless to prevent them from cutting off access to the Radiance. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:40:12 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles In a message dated 1999-01-09 15:22:06 Eastern Standard Time, solmyr@kolumbus.fi writes: > >In X2 simon is described as a very wicked person but from Bruse Heards gaz > it seems that he is one of the (few) good guys. > > Well, his alignment is listed as Chaotic in Gaz3 and as NG in G:KoM and MoA. > Go figure. Maybe he's reformed during the WotI? The explanation is fairly simple -- in X2 Simon was (temporarily) insane, as were many other members of the family. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 12:45:02 PST From: "Jerry Hovenanian" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara and the Mining Co. On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:15:58 -0800 Dru Pagliassotti >To: clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >Subject: Mystara Up > > OK, I added a Mystara list to the AD&D lists, as per your >request. :-) If you mention this to the Mystara mailing list, please >tell them that I'm always happy to receive recommendations for >websites to add, or notes when a website has changed URLs -- I'm sure >I've only just started to explore "what's out there" for Mystara, and >suggestions are always appreciated! > > - Dru > >------------ >The Harrow: http://www.theharrow.com/ >The Rut: http://free.prohosting.com/~harrow/ >RPGs at the Mining Co.: http://roleplaygames.miningco.com/ >World of Samru: http://come.to/samru >Saldon PBEM: http://www.eGroups.com/list/saldon >------------ Hey all....this is realy good news for Mystara fans. Dru does a great job with the other roleplaying stuff on the Mining Co. I recomend that you all go see. http://roleplaygames.miningco.com/ and look under the AD&D heading for Mystara. I'm sure a few of the pages will be familiar to some. :) >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> <-----<<< Jerry Hovenanian * clumsydwarf@hotmail.com >>>-----> <<<<-------------------------------------------------------------<<<< "Never in the field of human conflict, was so much owed by so many to so few." - Sir Winston Churchill - "So let's all give Microsoft a swift kick to the groin" - Personal addendum to Churchill quotation. >>>>------------------------------------------------------------->>>> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps At 09:10 AM 1/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >>What is the general alignment of Shadow Elves? Mike > >In the adventures given in GAZ 5 (Elves of Alfheim), they were listed as >chaotic. In the Shadowelves Gaz, the writer wisely corrected this, and >allowed shadowelves to have the full range of alignments, with most being >Neutral. This makes them far more interesting, being a misunderstood >race, and not an evil one. > >Geoff Yes, I think in GAZ 5 it could be said that it was written from the "surface" Elves point-of-view. They being Lawful, and having a wee bit of a sore spot with the Shadow Elves, would not surprisingly view their subterrainean cousins in the Chaotic fashion. Lord knows the Alfheim elves are ever watchful for those treacherous pale-faced elves from the depths, spying in or attempting to invade Alfheim. ;) The alignments can be viewed as a national alignment as well, with the general population of the Shadow Elves being Neutral, and the Alfheim elves (or the general surface elf) being Lawful. To a human, for instance, the differences would likely be quite apparent when meeting the two races, I'd think. Brad. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #777 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Sunday, January 10 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 778 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne and Rad and Rafiel, oh my! (Was: What If?) [MYSTARA] - WotI-?'s Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Nurvel wrote: >Ok......I understand now....I thought maybe u guys work cooking up some more >Gazeteers......Mike Oh, we do that, too. It's just that gazetteers, from my experience, tend to be a little more hush-hush - most people take on a nation by themselves (or maybe 2-3 people do it), and then submit it to the MML once it's done. They might solicit private comments first, though. That said, Bruce has done considerable work towards making a de facto Heldann Gaz, and AFAIK it's not finalized yet. I guess the best way is to either wait for someone to respond to your question, or if you want to work on something, spread the word to people who might be interested. Hope this helps, Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps Nurvel wrote: >Hey Geoff, so are you saying that most are TRUE Neutral, or are they Chaotic >Neutral.....just curious.....oh by the way.....i am looking for lots of >shadowelf stuff....have visited your sight and it has some good stuff......I >need more land info.....I have none for Aengmor (sorry if misspelled) at all. >I am thinking about running a small Shadow Elf Champaign......Mike I guess I should clarify a bit here. I play the "OD&D" version of Mystara (ie: the one using the Gazetteers and the Rules Cyclopedia - not the original boxed sets, though I do have some of them), so, although I use skills, weapon mastery, and all that good stuff (as per Rules Cyclopedia and Gaz-vintage OD&D), I also stay with the three original alignments. They don't figure very prominently IMC, at any rate. But I suppose if we're looking at AD&D, then Jenn's idea would be best - Neutral Good. BTW - Thanks for checking out my site! :) Info for Aengmor can be found in the PWAs, as well as the Net Almanacs (they're the most up-to-date source, at any rate). For more info, I'd suggest contacting resident shoadowelf expert Fabrizio Paoli. If you're interested in a little adventure to start your characters in Aengmor, then perhaps we should have a chat.... ;-) Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? At 11:50 AM 1/9/99 PST, you wrote: >Ariel Guerra wrote: > >>*What if* Etienne d'Ambreville NEVER came to Mystara? > Always bear in mind when I write, I write in a pre-WoTI context - OD&D. I think we'd have to consider a few other important Glantrians as well, then. Such as Prince McGregor (the Lich), who also came from Stefan's homeplane where Avergion(sp) is. A homeplane which, interestingly, had too few Dimensions (a plane needs 4 dimensions to it I believe) to it to possess magic! Apparently, if it had not been for the assistance of McGregor and a few others (I can't remember their names), Stefan and his family may never have been able to flee that outer-plane through a mystic Gate. Also of interest, is how the Wee-Folk - the Fae - may have played in to Stefan's flight from Avergion, since they are not restricted in the use of their "magics" in the same way mortals, and aspects of the immortal races are. So, Glantri would receive quite the face-lift if those past efforts by a few intrepid mortal families had not fled their world and came to Mystara. >But this also made me think about Etienne/Rad some. Namely, yeah, I know >that he attained Immortality in an unconventional way. But he's only an >empyreal--where does he get off going up against the Council of >Hierarchs in the first place? One charming aspect of Rad that I've come to realize (at least through my own campaign) is that although he has become such a significant Immortal, he has still been able to retain much of his humanity -- a "substance" that is foreign to the essence of Time, Energy, Matter, Thought, and Entropy. It is my belief that they higher one rises in the Immortal ranks, the more they give up to their Sphere. A Hierarch -is- their Sphere. Kronos, for example, - -is- Time. Terra -is- Matter. 100% Sphere/Immortal essence. 0% Humanity/Mortal essence. On the other end of the scale, a Novice Temporal - your basic newborn Immortal - 50% Immortal/50% Mortal, in a sense. They retain much more of their humanity, or mortal existance than someone of a higher rank. Again, this is just my pre-WoTI take on things. :) And in Rad's case, he's still got spunk! He holds on to whatever shred of mortal/humanity he has left, and it shows in his sometimes defience of other Immortals. I love the idea that Stefan still lives with his mortal family - as bizarre as they are! And I think it goes to help him remain rooted to his past and his mortality. His last names D'Ambreville, but he's got the spunk and common sense drive of a true Scotsman! I raise a toast to Stefan! *Gives Bruce a pat on the back! ;)* Cheers! Brad - who sits and remenices over his D&D character, and his interactions with Stefan/Rad *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:05:04 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles >You don't have to be a necromancer to learn "black magic". And there are several Ambrevilles with >appropriate personalities. Henri comes to mind first; then there's also Gilles Grenier, who is an >alchemist and a "witch". yes but what I meant is that there were no further mentioning of the "ancient dark gods" and no Amberviller was described as having something to do with that. Bruce , can you help with that? >>another quetion- >>Simon D'amberville - Ettiens younger brother is a 35 leveled cleric according to Gaz3. Which Immortal >>does he follow? >None was mentioned in Gaz3, but in MoA it says Razud. Even if Simon is known to be a priest, it's >probably not wise for him to reveal his exact Immortal (an Alphatian one... tsk tsk :) >>In X2 simon is described as a very wicked person but from Bruse Heards gaz it seems that he is one >>of the (few) good guys. >Well, his alignment is listed as Chaotic in Gaz3 and as NG in G:KoM and MoA. Go figure. Maybe he's >reformed during the WotI? I see im missing stuff for not having any of the AD&D products. Why would he follow Razud? and how does Razud relate to old Averoign (if at all) ? good idea about being crazy in X2 but that would also would have cost him his spells dont you think. I want to know more about this charechter because Im having him join the McGregores in the Followers of Claymore and leading a coup against the vile magocracy. (and being partial succesful!) more to come.. Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "and all the while as vampires feed- I bleed..." /the Pixies *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:05:48 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] In a message dated 1/9/99 4:37:30 PM Central Standard Time, au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes: << Hope this helps, Geoff >> Thanks dude...... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:07:24 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps In a message dated 1/9/99 4:39:43 PM Central Standard Time, au998@freenet.carleton.ca writes: << But I suppose if we're looking at AD&D, then Jenn's idea would be best - Neutral Good. BTW - Thanks for checking out my site! :) Info for Aengmor can be found in the PWAs, as well as the Net Almanacs (they're the most up-to-date source, at any rate). For more info, I'd suggest contacting resident shoadowelf expert Fabrizio Paoli. If you're interested in a little adventure to start your characters in Aengmor, then perhaps we should have a chat.... ;-) Geoff >> Thanks again Geoff....Mike *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:23:42 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Hey peeps At 01.34 09/01/99 EST, Nurvel@aol.com wrote: >What is the general alignment of Shadow Elves? Mike GAZ5 and Creature Catalog list Shadow Elves as chaotic, but this is just a general misconception of the surface people. In truth, i.e. according to GAZ 13, the majority of Shadow Elves (especially the shamans) are lawful, with a fair number of neutral SE and very few chaotic ones. PS: Mike, can you please name your messages something different than "Hey peeps" or "Hey Everyone"? Your usual subject is not very helpful to understand what's in the message. Thanks. ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@gdr.net S.F. 49ers 30 - Green Bay 27 Go Niners! ************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:39:23 +0200 From: "Solmyr of the Azure Star" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles >yes but what I meant is that there were no further mentioning of the "ancient dark gods" and no Amberviller was described as having something to do with that. >Bruce , can you help with that? > >I see im missing stuff for not having any of the AD&D products. >Why would he follow Razud? and how does Razud relate to old Averoign (if at all) ? What about this version: Simon worshipped some "dark god" back on Laterre, which also partially accounted for the exile of the Ambrevilles. He continued to worship this dark god on Mystara too (thus Gaz3 lists him as Chaotic). However, he did not get any spells (possibly because that dark god cannot access Mystara), and thus eventually was contacted by Razud and took his worship (becoming NG by the end of WotI). Does this sound fine? ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:36:27 +0200 From: "Solmyr of the Azure Star" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The d'Ambervilles >The explanation is fairly simple -- in X2 Simon was (temporarily) insane, >as were many other members of the family. Yes, but he's still Chaotic in Gaz3, which is post-X2. ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star aka Azure Star Dragon solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:23:25 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) Ariel Guerra wrote: > >>*What if* Etienne d'Ambreville NEVER came to Mystara? Hmmm...Well, I think that it would have been an interesting barbeque in Old Averoigne! ;-)~ Seriously, though, this is a really good question, I think. Maybe, as someone already mentioned, the Flaems would have controlled the Radiance, and probably would have gone up against Alphatia at some point. But that doesn't say much about the rest of what is (now called) Glantri...Possible scenarios include a much stronger vampire population (no counter-power to contain them, and no Prince McGregor to balance out Morphail), perhaps another elven kingdom--and who knows *what* settlers might have shown up to settle lands that weren't Nouvelle Averoigne...more Alphatians? Thyatians, etc...? Or maybe without intervention from a third party (which is how Etienne served during that period politically), the Flaems just would have killed off or run off all the settlers...no Boldavia, no elves, no anyone but them. the possibilities are all but endless. Elmoar Hierydyl wrote: >But he's only an >empyreal--where does he get off going up against the Council of >Hierarchs in the first place? Well, as I think someone (sorry, don't remember who) already mentioned, he didn't go up against all the Hierarchs...But I agree with you that it makes no sense that he would be able to hold his own against Ixion and his allies. >For that matter, I think that this is the >one character in Mystara who is way too important and far too powerful. Oh, I agree! But, for all Rad/Etienne's power and ego and rebellious tendencies, he doesn't frighten me nearly as much as Rafiel does. Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:57:43 PST From: "Ariel Guerra" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad > And in Rad's >case, he's still got spunk! He holds on to whatever >shred of mortal/humanity >he has left, and it shows in his sometimes defience of other Immortals. It makes sense then if he does hold on to his "humanity" or "mortality" that he would be arrogant enough to defy the hierarchs but to go up against Ixion and be able to get away with it? How was he able to do that? Even if Rad is unconventional how was he able to get the alliances he did how did he get Ka to side with him over Ixion ( you know, the guy who helped him make the hollow world by supplying the sun and helping with the SoP), I mean Ka is the one who has spent millions of years trying to preserve endangered species and WoTI says that he would choose to preserve Rad and Rafiel over millions of Mystarans.It makes no sense! Ariel "To do all that one is able to do is to be a man; to do all that one would like to do is to be a god." --Napoleon I (attributed) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:18:10 PST From: "Ariel Guerra" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) >the Flaems >probably would >have gone up against Alphatia at some point. Alphatia 100 Flaems 3 >Possible scenarios include a much stronger >vampire population Would make for an interesting conflict with the Wendarian elves to the north. >who knows *what* >settlers might have shown up to settle lands Maybe some expansion of Wendar into what is now Aalban would make for a good introduction of the Wendarians into the KW. > the Flaems just would have killed >off or run off all the settlers...no Boldavia, no >elves, no anyone but them. The Kingdom of Braejr instead of Glantri? Now that would make for an interesting world. >Oh, I agree! But, for all Rad/Etienne's power and ego >and rebellious tendencies, he doesn't frighten me >nearly as much as Rafiel does. But isn't he the protector of the Shadow Elves? Ariel "To do all that one is able to do is to be a man; to do all that one would like to do is to be a god." --Napoleon I (attributed) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:29:32 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Ariel wrote: >I mean Ka is the one who has spent millions >of years trying to preserve endangered species and WoTI >says that he would choose to preserve Rad and Rafiel >over millions of Mystarans.It makes no sense! The excuse given in WotI is that Ka didn't want Ixion to destroy Rad or Rafiel because they're a "new" species...But you're right that it doesn't make sense, because just because he doesn't want Ixion to destory them doesn't mean that he would have to side with them in the war. After all, Rad's victory would mean (at that point, anyway, before the events at the end) a continued drain from the Sphere of Energy, and the eventual extinction of millions (?) of magical beings on Mystara. Ka would *never* go for that. I think that this is definitely another one for the "WotI makes no sense" annals...comments, Sharon? Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:40:08 PST From: "Jennifer Favia" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne and Rad and Rafiel, oh my! (Was: What If?) Ariel wrote: >>the Flaems >>probably would >>have gone up against Alphatia at some point. > >Alphatia 100 Flaems 3 That close, y'think?? 8-)~ >>Possible scenarios include a much stronger >>vampire population > >Would make for an interesting conflict with the >Wendarian elves to the north. I take it that we're talking about a modern-day scenario, not the 700s, when there was no formal Wendar...But anyway, while the possibilty is intriguing, I think that the Wendarians are far too occupied with the trouble to the north (Denagoth and Landryn Teriak) to be making incursions into Boldaiva to go vampire-hunting...Unless, that is, the Boldavians start pushing into Wendarian territory, maybe in response to an alliance between fellow necromancers Teriak and Morphail. >Maybe some expansion of Wendar into what is now Aalban >would make for a good introduction of the Wendarians >into the KW. They don't strike me as too expansionistic. >The Kingdom of Braejr instead of Glantri? Now that >would make for an interesting world. Interesting? Maybe..but too predictable, on the basis of Glantrian history as we know it. (*yawn*) >>Oh, I agree! But, for all Rad/Etienne's power and ego >>and rebellious tendencies, he doesn't frighten me >>nearly as much as Rafiel does. > >But isn't he the protector of the Shadow Elves? Sure, if your protector is good and benevolent for using your very lives for personal gain. Rafiel keeps the SE like researchers use lab rats. Sorry, I can't consider someone who dupes weak and trusting people into following him so that he can continue his unnecessary and dangerous research at the expense of thousands of deformed babies as a benevolent Immortal, regardless of what I'm told "officially." This is my single biggest break from "canon," and something which I will never be able to accept. To me, at least, Rafiel is evil. Jenn Explore Dark Myst Manor! http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chasm/4270/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:12:57 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - WotI-?'s Does anyonw know if someone has a document on their page describing in brief the events in the Wrath of the Immortals.....because I have no clue when this occurred or what happed during this time.........Mike....... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:20:29 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad In a message dated 1999-01-10 13:00:01 Eastern Standard Time, thalaric1@hotmail.com writes: > I mean Ka is the one who has spent millions > of years trying to preserve endangered species and WoTI > says that he would choose to preserve Rad and Rafiel > over millions of Mystarans.It makes no sense! Sure it does -- Radiance Immortals were an endangered species, as Ixion was threatening to destroy both of them and prevent the creation of any more. On the other hand, there were so many humans on Mystara that they would not become an endangered species no matter how bad the war got. And of course Ka was probably still hoping that the war could be avoided if Ixion backed down. In fact, the only event of WotI that seemed likely to lead to mass extinctions was the Shadow Elf conquest of Alfheim, as it endangered a number of unique fairy races. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:20:33 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad In a message dated 1999-01-10 13:31:41 Eastern Standard Time, valerya@hotmail.com writes: > The excuse given in WotI is that Ka didn't want Ixion > to destroy Rad or Rafiel because they're a "new" > species...But you're right that it doesn't make sense, > because just because he doesn't want Ixion to destory > them doesn't mean that he would have to side with them > in the war. After all, Rad's victory would mean (at > that point, anyway, before the events at the end) a > continued drain from the Sphere of Energy, and the > eventual extinction of millions (?) of magical beings > on Mystara. Ka would *never* go for that. I think that > this is definitely another one for the "WotI makes no > sense" annals...comments, Sharon? Of course Ka could have exacted a price later if Rad had survived the war -- remember that for a few years it seemed that he didn't. Once the dust settled he could have gone to Rad and told him that the price of his support was that he now had to give top priority to finding out how to stop the magic drain -- a demand he could never have made as anything but Rad's ally. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:20:32 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) In a message dated 1999-01-10 13:18:59 Eastern Standard Time, thalaric1@hotmail.com writes: > >who knows *what* > >settlers might have shown up to settle lands > > Maybe some expansion of Wendar into what is now Aalban > would make for a good introduction of the Wendarians > into the KW. If we are assuming that the Laterrans never arrived, then Aalban should still have been colonized by Hattians and Cyprians (Common Alphatians). They may have colonized Klantyre as well, or the Flaems may have managed to hold on to it -- or perhaps there would have been a Hattian principality and a Cyprian one. But the area that would have been left wide open for colonization by others would have been the western part of Glantri -- and that would have been an excellent place for Wendar to expand. I could imagine some interesting intrigue as Wendarians with an interest in the Radiance move to the Glantrian border and then seek to become part of Glantri, or as Glantrians who find their expansion blocked everywhere else seek to take over New South Wendar. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:23:13 +0100 From: Fabrizio Paoli Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What if? At 15.27 09/01/99 EST, Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: >Had the Council been in agreement, Rad might still have defied them -- >but his defiance would have been a mere protest as he would have been >helpless to prevent them from cutting off access to the Radiance. What if he got the support of the majority of non-hierarch Immortals? Imagine all the "lesser" Immortals going up against the Council. That would be really cool! ************** Fabrizio Paoli brizio@lunet.it rafiel@geocities.com brizio@gdr.net DM in City Of The Stars - Mystaran Almanac Assistant Student of Aerospace Enginnering - ICQ #1688817 Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4560 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:16:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad >> And in Rad's case, he's still got spunk! He holds on to whatever shred >>of mortal/humanity he has left, and it shows in his sometimes defience >>of >> >>other Immortals. > > >It makes sense then if he does hold on to his >"humanity" or "mortality" that he would be arrogant >enough to defy the hierarchs but to go up against Ixion >and be able to get away with it? How was he able to do >that? Erm...well... One of the reasons I keep mentioning that I write in a pre-WoTIs context is because I know very little about what happened when OD&D made the transition to AD&D -- which is something I wished would never have happened, but thats just me. This is not to say I haven't learned anything about AD&D Mystara. Unfortunately, what I've been seeing goes against my grain, so to speak. So I continue to write in the pre-WOTIs context, as well as making sure I mention this before I add my opinions to the MML. :) Therefore, I can't answer you why Rad would go up against Ixion, nor why Ixion became a Hierarch (when he was a Primordial like Ka - the Preserver, in the first place. I probably have a different interpretation on Primordials than many others do). However...what I CAN do is give you a picture of what things were like before the AD&D Mystara-WoTI's, and from this history we can then see why things may have come about the way they did -- whether it makes sense or not, and IMHO, most of it doesn't (again, from what I've learned thus far). :P So perhaps we are in agreement? :) We both question the reasons behind Rad and Ixion's conflict, but are approaching the question from two different angles. ;) Brad PS: If in WoTI's; Ixion is Hierarch of Energy(?), then how is he fulfilling his Sphere interests by destroying/killing off Rad? Sounds more like an Entropic Immortals ways, doesn't it? I mean, Energy would want to keep life going. It wouldn't want life to end, much like it wouldn't want anything else to end. Energy is, by its very nature (in xD&D), the Sphere that wants to make everything "go" and never cease. Also, wouldn't Rad's destruction violate the Immortal laws of prime plane interference? Rad has a lot going on, on Mystara! Think of the consequences for Mystara or Glantri for that matter now if Rad were destroyed. Interestingly, this ties in nicely to the other conversation brought up by Mike (I think) on "What if?...Etienne never came to Mystara". *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #778 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. From: owner-mystara-l@ (mystara-digest) To: mystara-digest@lists.MPGN.COM Subject: mystara-digest V1997 #779 Reply-To: mystara@mpgn.com Sender: owner-mystara-l@ Errors-To: owner-mystara-l@ Precedence: bulk mystara-digest Monday, January 11 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 779 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: RE: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad & Sources of Magic Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad & Sources of Magic Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad RE: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1 )] Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:41:56 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3CF2.CF8B67B0 Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the replies people. Given what i have learned i guess i will try to chase up the complete versions of the almanac. I dunno what it is but i just cant stand not owning the complete version of something. Sound pretty anal i know but thats just me :) Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3CF2.CF8B67B0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac.

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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3CF2.CF8B67B0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:03:05 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad In a message dated 1999-01-10 17:19:05 Eastern Standard Time, bmcmillan@odyssey.on.ca writes: > PS: If in WoTI's; Ixion is Hierarch of Energy(?), then how is he fulfilling > his Sphere interests by destroying/killing off Rad? Sounds more like an > Entropic Immortals ways, doesn't it? I mean, Energy would want to keep life > going. It wouldn't want life to end, much like it wouldn't want anything > else to end. Energy is, by its very nature (in xD&D), the Sphere that wants > to make everything "go" and never cease. But Ixion saw Rad's research into the Nucleus of the Spheres as a direct threat to his Sphere, as continued use of that artifact would eventually drain all of the magic away from Mystara -- which would seriously weaken the Sphere of Energy. Ixion eventually reached the conclusion that the only way to stop Rad's work was to destroy him. > Also, wouldn't Rad's destruction violate the Immortal laws of prime > plane interference? Rad has a lot going on, on Mystara! Think of the > consequences for Mystara or Glantri for that matter now if Rad were > destroyed. Yes, the consequences would be serious -- but the law about prime plane interference would apply only while Rad is in his mortal identity form. There is nothing to stop Ixion from killing Rad while both are in Manifestation form. Even if Rad remained in his form as Etienne, there would be nothing to stop Ixion from creating his own mortal identity and using that to kill Etienne. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:29:10 EST From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: [MYSTARA] - Paladins in Mystara In a message dated 1/8/99 4:18:20 AM, you wrote: <> Aaaah, well said, well said indeed. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:51:02 EST From: Nurvel@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Official Almanac. In a message dated 1/10/99 5:50:01 PM Central Standard Time, jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au writes: << Thanks for the replies people. Given what i have learned i guess i will try to chase up the complete versions of the almanac. I dunno what it is but i just cant stand not owning the complete version of something. Sound pretty anal i know but thats just me :) >> I can agree with you on that one Jason........ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:59:30 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad & Sources of Magic At 07:03 PM 1/10/99 EST, you wrote: >But Ixion saw Rad's research into the Nucleus of the Spheres as a direct >threat to his Sphere, as continued use of that artifact would eventually drain >all of the magic away from Mystara -- which would seriously weaken the >Sphere of Energy. Ixion eventually reached the conclusion that the only >way to stop Rad's work was to destroy him. As I've never read anything WoTI, onward, it makes it difficult for me to dispute that. :) However, I would be interested in knowing what this "Nucleus of the Spheres" is. An Immortal artefact? A creation by a race called, 'The Old Ones' (a name I've only become aware of since joining this ML)? :) I suppose I'd have to understand the significance of this "object" before I could understand Rad's or Ixion's position on the matter. I'd also need to know more about it before I could understand why it is able to potentially drain "...all of the magic away from Mystara...". If it truly could: Wow! That would be one h*ll of a device, considering the various sources of magic that exist within Mystara -- the Immortals themselves being one of these sources. Not just cleric magic either, but through Immortals very existance the fibres of magic are generated. The planet itself, Ur (I believe it's called), being a Megalith and an immortal (not an Immortal) creature, it's very life essence is another source of magic particularly for druids. Those living in Hollow World may also pay reverence to Ur, since they can view the megaliths life-essence in their "sky" as a "sun". I don't know that much about the Hollow World cultures, however, someone else might be able to sight more specific example from there. Anyways, these are just a few examples I can think of. IMC, a 1on1 game where I've always been the player, one of things I was very interested in studying upon reaching Immortality was, as one of my "project slots", to research sources of magic -- from the Prime Plane and Outer Planes. What I ended up realizing after my studies was that magic exists through two main sources: through sources that mortal Faith is invested in, and, through sources that possess immortal essence (immortals and Immortals). Some appear to be strictly a source through Faith, others a source through immortal existance/essence, and sometimes the source is both - - one that shares both Faith and is immortal. No doubt, this was a preliminary study in-game, and there is the possibility for more Primary Sources. Interestingly, on my characters Home Plane I, at first unknowingly, created a source of magic. My character entered Immortality in the Sphere of Time, while my character's wife also achieved Immortality, in the Sphere of Energy. We chose, through an expenditure of permanent power, to create a worm hole connecting our two home planes. In effect, it looks a lot like the worm hole from Star Trek: Deep Space 9. A gravity formed around this worm hole, collecting some of my planes ice bodies, such as comets. This worm hole opened up near one of her suns. The combination of ice bodies and light from her sun actually made the worm hole a visible celestial body from one of main planets - heat and ice mixing, reflecting and whatnot. A race of Keyman on this planet took the sudden appearance of this worm hole as a religious omen. The result was that the worm hole entered in to their religious practices, and thus became a source for their Faith. So indeed, source of Faith, an immortal/Immortal itself, or even an affect created - -from- an Immortal, can become a source of magic...at least, IMC. ;) Cheers! Brad. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ Brad McMillan/Brude Mac a'Mhaoilein "Armchair" Celtic Archae-Anthropologist & Historian Goderich, Ontario, Canada Email: bmcmillan@odyssey.on.ca ICQ: 27482438 Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~B_McMillan/index.html (Under Construction!) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:27:27 EST From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad & Sources of Magic In a message dated 1999-01-10 22:01:24 Eastern Standard Time, bmcmillan@odyssey.on.ca writes: > As I've never read anything WoTI, onward, it makes it difficult for > me to dispute that. :) > However, I would be interested in knowing what this "Nucleus of the > Spheres" is. The information from Gaz 3 would be sufficient to describe why the Nucleus of the Spheres is of such concern to the Immortals, especially those of the Sphere of Energy. If you don't have access to that gazetteer (which is pretty hard to find nowadays), then maybe somebody can point you to a Web page that summarizes it. Basically, the Nucleus of the Spheres started out as the fusion engine of a high tech spacecraft, which was altered when it came near Mystara and crashed near Blackmoor. After the Great Rain of Fire destroyed Blackmoor, this artifact was somehow moved to a location deep under what is now Glantri City. In later years wizards from all over the world were drawn to Glantri as they sought to discover and harness the energy that this artifact produced. This energy greatly increased the magical powers of those who could tap into its powers but caused deformities (as in radiation sickness) to those who were careless or unlucky. In addition, continued use of this artifact slowly drained magic out of the world, with the result that magic fails first for a day each year, then for a week, and so on until magic use becomes impossible. It is this drain of magic that most concerned Ixion, Hierarch of Energy. Rad, while he would also be threatened by the complete failure of magic throughout the world, also knew that it was the only possible source of other Immortals like himself and thus was unwilling to stop his researches into it. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:44:34 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles >>yes but what I meant is that there were no further mentioning of the >>"ancient dark gods" and no Amberviller was described as having something >>to do with that. >>Bruce , can you help with that? >> Presumably, the "ancient dark gods" comments from X2 are a cryptic (and non-copyright-violating! ;-D) reference to the various deities/aliens of H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos, to which Clark Ashton Smith's Averoigne stories are loosely connected. (Certainly that would explain Simon's Chaotic alignnment, if that's who he was getting his spells from in the module!) Note that waaaaay back when X2 was published, there was no notion of Mystara's or oD&D's having Immortals rather than gods. If you want info on using Lovecraftian "gods" and monsters in a Mystara game, ask Geoff ... he's been inventing loads of those eldritch oogey-boogeys on the MMB, lately. :-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:57:06 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] > ================= Begin forwarded message ================= > > From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") > To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'") > Subject: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1) > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:55:58 -0500 > > > The Working Groups of the Mystara Mailing List > > compiled by Geoff Gander, with help from HervÈ Musseau, Fabrizio Paoli, > and Marco Dalmonte Hey guys, could there be a one-woman (plus lots of help from Geoff) "working group"? If so, could my fumbling around with the "Hollow Moon" get listed...? I know I've been posting to the MMB rather than the MML (mostly because of my e-mail account's limited capacity), but Shawn HAS been archiving my work, along with the mailing list's material. If it's all right, I'd welcome the chance to get input -- or maybe even (gasp!) other writers -- from the MML readership: this blasted moon's taking ages, for me to make any progress on. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:36:52 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad >In a message dated 1999-01-10 13:00:01 Eastern Standard Time, >thalaric1@hotmail.com writes: > >> I mean Ka is the one who has spent millions >> of years trying to preserve endangered species and WoTI >> says that he would choose to preserve Rad and Rafiel >> over millions of Mystarans.It makes no sense! > >Sure it does -- Radiance Immortals were an endangered species, >as Ixion was threatening to destroy both of them and prevent the >creation of any more. On the other hand, there were so many >humans on Mystara that they would not become an endangered >species no matter how bad the war got. And of course Ka was >probably still hoping that the war could be avoided if Ixion backed >down. > >In fact, the only event of WotI that seemed likely to lead to mass >extinctions was the Shadow Elf conquest of Alfheim, as it endangered >a number of unique fairy races. It's not the war, that endangered millions of people and thousands of species: it's the Nucleus. Had Rad's dangerous experiments continued unopposed, the NoS would have drained so much of Mystara's magic that the various magical races and creatures (including the shadow elves, which makes Rafiel's support of Rad also unlikely :-P) would sicken and die out, just as they fell ill during the Week Without Magic. This is even listed on the tables in Gaz3 and G:KoM, as happening as soon as a substantial number of the artifact's "rads" of energy have been used up. Hardly something Ka would approve of, under any circumstances. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:50:00 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - What If? (Etienne/Rad) >Ariel Guerra wrote: >> >>>*What if* Etienne d'Ambreville NEVER came to Mystara? > >Hmmm...Well, I think that it would have been an >interesting barbeque in Old Averoigne! ;-)~ > >Seriously, though, this is a really good question, I >think. Maybe, as someone already mentioned, the Flaems >would have controlled the Radiance, and probably would >have gone up against Alphatia at some point. But that >doesn't say much about the rest of what is (now called) >Glantri...Possible scenarios include a much stronger >vampire population (no counter-power to contain them, >and no Prince McGregor to balance out Morphail), >perhaps another elven kingdom--and who knows *what* >settlers might have shown up to settle lands that >weren't Nouvelle Averoigne...more Alphatians? >Thyatians, etc...? Or maybe without intervention from a >third party (which is how Etienne served during that >period politically), the Flaems just would have killed >off or run off all the settlers...no Boldavia, no >elves, no anyone but them. the possibilities are all >but endless. > Don't forget the lycanthropes! With their long-standing aversion to priests, the Flaemish would probably have been susceptible to the pandemics of the 5th century, in any case: they've got no means to cure the affliction, short of a Wish. But without Malachie to establish a strong central authority among the weres, and enforce Wolf Law, the results might have been FAR less benign than they turned out ... all the more so, given that with no lycanthrope-sympathizers in Parliament, the werewolves and others would feel more justified in using overt violence and deliberate mass infections of humans, to combat the Flaem's bigoted pogroms. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:27:02 -0500 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Etienne/Rad >Ariel wrote: > >>I mean Ka is the one who has spent millions >>of years trying to preserve endangered species and >WoTI >>says that he would choose to preserve Rad and Rafiel >>over millions of Mystarans.It makes no sense! > >The excuse given in WotI is that Ka didn't want Ixion >to destroy Rad or Rafiel because they're a "new" >species...But you're right that it doesn't make sense, >because just because he doesn't want Ixion to destory >them doesn't mean that he would have to side with them >in the war. After all, Rad's victory would mean (at >that point, anyway, before the events at the end) a >continued drain from the Sphere of Energy, and the >eventual extinction of millions (?) of magical beings >on Mystara. Ka would *never* go for that. Exactly! That's the kind of credibility-gap that I was talking about, that makes the whole opening scene of Rad's stubbornness (and Ixion's hissy-fit) seem so implausible. Ka's the LAST one you'd think would take a stand to preserve an artifact that endangered thousands of species -- irregardless of his close personal alliances with Ixion, in protecting the HW and patronizing cultures like the Oltecs -- just as Korotiku's the last one you'd expect to mutely and unquestioningly tag along with EITHER faction in a dispute (!), rather than slyly work to make both sides aware of their respective errors in judgement! My comments on how easily the NoS could've been moved to a lifeless world, where it wouldn't have posed a threat to anyone for millenia and could've been studied with impunity -- which is all that Rad was trying to do, anyway (unless, of course, he was just using it as an excuse to bait Ixion and overthrow the hierarchy of Spheres in general...!) -- wasn't really a serious suggestion, but rather a complaint on WotI's general shoddiness. It's not enough, that the factions are implausible and the background contradicts loads of previous game material; the boxed set actually contradicts ITSELF, by giving us a whole, thick Codex about how all-mighty and "super-intelligent/wise" the Immortals are supposed to be ... then showing them behaving like a roomfull of cranky three-year-olds and totally ignoring those vaunted powers they've got, that COULD'VE resolved the dilemma of the Nucleus, in ten minutes' work. :-P *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:20 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1 )] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3D3B.81F5DAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By all means. I wouldn't mind getting involved with a project of some = kind now that I have the time. Oh by the way I have been told my email seems to be coming through in = HTML format. Please don't take offense, I am trying to fix the problem. Even though I have no idea why this is happening. Yeah yeah... lame excuse I = know especially from someone who should be computer literate but I am = buggered if I know why it is happening. Anyway Leroy, email me again if the HTML is still coming thru, I am hoping I have fixed it. cheers big ears : -) Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited Email: Jason.Murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Dornhoff [SMTP:dornhoff@bio.umass.edu] Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 2:57 PM To: mystara-l@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1)] > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Begin = forwarded message =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") > To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'") > Subject: Mystara Working Groups (v. 2.1) > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:55:58 -0500 > > > The Working Groups of the Mystara Mailing List > > compiled by Geoff Gander, with help from Herv=C8 Musseau, Fabrizio Paoli, > and Marco Dalmonte Hey guys, could there be a one-woman (plus lots of help from Geoff) "working group"? If so, could my fumbling around with the "Hollow Moon" get listed...? I know I've been posting to the MMB rather than the MML (mostly because of my e-mail account's limited capacity), but Shawn HAS been archiving my work, along with the mailing list's material. If it's all right, I'd welcome the chance to get input -- or maybe even (gasp!) other writers -- from the MML readership: this blasted moon's taking ages, for me to make any progress on. =09 ************************************************************************= *** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3D3B.81F5DAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. = 2.1)]

By all means. I wouldn't mind getting = involved with a project of some kind now that I have the time.

Oh by the way I have been told my = email seems to be coming through in HTML format. Please don't take = offense, I am trying to fix the problem. Even though I have no idea why = this is happening. Yeah yeah... lame excuse I know especially from = someone who should be computer literate but I am buggered if I know why = it is happening. Anyway Leroy, email me again if the HTML is still = coming thru, I am hoping I have fixed it.

cheers big ears : -)

Jason Murphy
Software Engineer
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Email: = Jason.Murphy@mitswa.com.au
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    Hey guys, could = there be a one-woman (plus lots of help from Geoff)
    "working = group"?  If so, could my fumbling around with the = "Hollow Moon"
    get = listed...?  I know I've been posting to the MMB rather than the = MML
    (mostly because of = my e-mail account's limited capacity), but Shawn HAS
    been archiving my = work, along with the mailing list's material.

    If it's all right, = I'd welcome the chance to get input -- or maybe even
    (gasp!) other = writers -- from the MML readership: this blasted moon's
    taking ages, for me = to make any progress on.


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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3D3B.81F5DAF0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:19:31 +0100 (MET) From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Seeking info on Wendar/Essuria Okay, okay, I know I'm late, but... On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:39:35 GMT, John Polacek asked: <> Yes, gotcha! ;) Shawn Stanley (commonly known as "stan" or "the guy with the Mystara site at Geocities" ;)) and I (commonly referred to as "DM" or "the Norwold guy") did write a fairly detailed timeline regarding Wendar and Denagoth (going from BC 6,000 to AC 1,010) and I'm proud to say we managed to flesh it out pretty well. You can find it at this URL (which is my homepage -shameless plug ;) ): http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/wendtml.html I also wrote the entry for Wendar and Denagoth in this year's Mystaran Almanac (btw, look out for the next almanac, the Avien Plains and the Lothenar Forest will be detailed) and together with the mighty Geoff Gander (also known as "Ye Olde Spawn of Canada" or "His Carnifexity") and Andrès Otero we're trying to write the Wendar Gazetteer. So if you wanna join with your ideas, just contact one of us (we're all members of the list, so that shouldn't be a problem). Oh, and by the by, if you look in my homepage you can also find the best comprehensive list of Mystara related maps on the net as well as a rich list of Mystara sites all over the world... PS: Happy New Year to everyone!! :) DM Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:20:20 +0100 (MET) From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:38:56 +0000, Mike Harvey asked: <> Well, even if I started playing in 1990, I didn't have the gazetteers by then and so I worked out a completely different world, which then became an alternate pocket universe with planets and a cadre of 15 deities. The PCs we played with originated from Mystara (which in those days was simply called "D&D world") but were sucked in a strange dimensional vortex after escaping from the Isle of Dread. The thing is we had just FAILED X1 miserably and the old DM had no will to go on Dming, so he passed the campaign to me (I had just bought Basic and Expert set). I transported the PCs (level 6-7) to another planet in my newly created dimension, Draconia, and there their goal was now to return to Mystara locating somebody who could have helped them. The campaign went on for 3 years long, and at the end the PCs managed to locate a dimensional passage in the Dimension of the Gods of Draconia which finally took them back home (they were now level 15-18). The group split and we never played anymore, but fortunately I created other gaming groups after that. But going back to Draconia, I'm proud to say I wrote many many pages filled with its history (10,000 years of history), I drew the map of the whole world, detailed the 15 deities, which turned out to be opposed to the Immortals since their coming in Draconia (I had acquired the Immortal Set and WotI by that time) and were constantly trying to invade Mystara to rob them of their "baby". I also detailed many new NPCs and races, monsters and classes which are still in use by my players (the ninja or "elementalor" and shiner being the two most favoured). So, yes, I DO have another campaign world, but I used it mainly with the first gaming group, even though I continue to make several references to it even with my other groups, but after all, who hasn't ever played the demiurge once? ;) <> You're welcome. You can do what you want with the campaign world, after all it's not something set in stone. There are guidelines, but since we're not talking about RW physics, everyone's entitled his own ideas on the subject. This means: use it as you like and have fun! Forget that C word! ;) <> I'm detailing it now for the Almanac, so you can use my ideas as suggestions and elaborate from those, or make up something entirely new, as u like. There's also something written by Bruce Heard about living cities you could pick up if you can access the Mystara Boards (hey guys, this is free advertising, I guess u gotta pay me for this ;)). <> Theoretically it's the home of goblinoids races (the Cradle) and human savage tribes, as well as maybe a subterranean kingdom of minotaurs (my idea) and surely an evil human-humanoid kingdom ruled by the crazed Moorkroft. <> Well detailed in Voyages of the Princess Ark, Red Steel, X9: Savage Coast and Champions of Mystara, but then if you don't like Red Steel idea then you'll have to rework that or maybe keep it but throw out the Red Curse, although you should find new goals for many of the groups then.. <> The Morient group (which I'm proud to be part of) is detailing them using RW oriental cultures as basis, so if you wanna join.. ;) .. I'm back.. and prepare for my next release about ALIENS in Mystaraspace.. ;) DM *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #779 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, January 11 1999 Volume 1997 : Number 780 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - Aliens in Mystaraspace (LONG) Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - WotI-?'s Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:20:27 +0100 (MET) From: DM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Aliens in Mystaraspace (LONG) Hi Guys! This is a long article that will be featured on my site this month (one of the updates). It deals with a not so commonly addressed topic in Mystara, aliens, and it derives directly from discussions hold on the MML many months ago and from the work done in the Mystaraspace group by Haavard Roenne Faanes and me. I hope you'll enjoy it. Comment welcomed. DM Aliens In Mystaraspace "There are different worlds out there: worlds made of air, of fire, of water and of earth. But all of them share the same basic need: the need for heroes." - - Terari Mystaraspace Mystara is a spherical hollow planet that exists in the Prime Plane, which is basically the equivalent of our RW Universe, with many other galaxies, and as such other solar systems and other races. This is the layout of Mystaraspace according to the Old Immortal Set (and WotI didn't change anything about it since it didn't deal with it). Note that the Mystaran names have been proposed by myself as the Thyatian version of the planets and there are some elven names for the planets and constellations in CM7 as well: Real Name (Mystaran version) Sun (Ixion)¹ Mercury (Alphatia) Venus (Valerias) Earth (Mystara) Mars (Tarastia) Damocles (Asterius)² Asteroid Belt (Tears of Asterius) Jupiter (Vanya) Saturn (Khoronus) Uranus (Hel) Neptune (Protius) Pluto (Alphaks) Charon (Thanatos) Note 1: The core of the sun is formed by a large, hollow sphere, whose walls are pure black. Within it, a Fire Elemental Ruler (80 HD, 600 hp) rules over all the creature that can be found in the sun (which looks like the the Elemental Plane of Fire). See M4 for details. Note 2: Damocles is destined to explode after 1,000 AC (see old Immortal set). Its fragments form the Asteroid belt between "Jupiter" and "Mars", while the largest two pieces shoot off and become "Mercury" and "Pluto". Other pieces become the gas giants' retrograde moons. Damocles is a flatworld (semisphere) with a thriving civilization living on it. Neither Mystarans nor Damoclites know of each other, though. Aliens from the Prime Plane "The Truth is out there" - -Per Kirvik, Glantrian Spacelore expert There have been many discussions about other alien races, and in Joshuan Almanac there is even an article about the Circular Crop Cuttings phenomenon that clearly shows the ignorance of Mystarans about the existence of otherwordly civilizations. The strangest thing is that while most mages are capable of plane-travelling and know the existence of other Planes inhabited by other Creatures, they have never thought about the possibility of other cultures living in the Prime Plane, only on other planets! It seems easier for them to explore other Planes of existance rather than other planets on the same plane: you can call it a perverse effect of magic. Anyway, we do know of at least three other civilizations on the Prime which are not native of Mystara: the Damoclites, the Pyrithians, Alpha Centauri aliens, Aelosians and the inhabitants of Patera. Damoclites The Damoclites are an advanced civilization that thrive(d) on Damocles (Asterius). Nothing concrete is known about them (they were first mentioned in the old Immortal set), but many speculations want them masters of magic and psionic powers (although not to the level of Old Alphatia). They won't last much however, since Damocles is destined to blow itself up for mysterious reasons. Below are some ideas about why and when they could disappear. Scenario 1: A Space Sargasso Damocles was somehow held together magically - perhaps its civilization was remnant of the mostly-unknown-on-Mystara "Earth" and "Water" groups from Old Alphatia. One day, the planet ran into a large sargasso (no-magic areas of Mystaraspace), which cancelled the magics holding the planet together, resulting in its utter destruction. If this is true, then the asteroid that crashed on Glantri and formed the Great Crater could have been a large chunk of Damocles, perhaps holding inside itself several new species of monsters and plants. Scenario 2: The Week of No Magic Damocles boasted a high magic culture similar to that of Mystara and revered even the same immortals. However, during WotI it got caught up in a magical side effect of the Doomsady Device activation that spread all over Mystaraspace and this caused its highly magical core (which gave Damoclites incredible superpowers and magic capacities that exceeded those of Mystarans, as long as they lived on Damocles) to overload: it then exploded and created the two large asteroids that have now become Mercury and Pluto. Or maybe it was a Megalith and the combination of the surge of power from the Doomsday Device, the apparition of the Old One on the Prime and the Week of No Magic made it go crazy and ultimately it committed suicide. Pyrithians (Emerondians) The Pyrithians lived in the Pyrithian Archipelago in some other part of the Galaxy. The Emerondians are descendants of the Pyrithian culture (survivors from the destruction of their planet), but they're fairly dissimilar to their ancestors. The Pyrithians were a race of savage space pirates. A stray war band became stranded on the Known World and eventually founded the more peaceful Emerond Kingdom. They brought their unique vegetable fiber with them. The common Emerondians have forgotten about this old tie with their warlike Pyrithean ancestors. A handful of the high priests and greater druids remain as the keepers of this archaic lore. The Emerondians of Mystara are essentially farmers and gatherers. Their knowledge of agriculture and flora in general is extensive, but they remain almost totally ignorant about the ways of the sea and navigation. A peaceful people, the Emerondians are very respectful of their ancestors and laws. They benefit from an ancient culture that provides them with a rich artistic and literary background. Their philosophy is mostly druidical, but several insectlike figures are known to be part of the Emerondian pantheon of immortal patrons. These are four possible scenarios about the real history behind the Pyrithians. Scenario 1: Pyrithians = Damoclites Pyrithians could be the survivors of Damocles' doom. Haldemar first encountered Emerondians on Davania back in the X century and they had already been living there for some time. However Damocles didn't explode prior to AC 1000, so here's a possible explanation: Damocles exploded during WotI creating "Mercury" and "Pluto", the Great Asteroid Ring and the big asteroid the crashed on Glantri. Some Pyrithians, foreseeing the event after studying the variations in the energy fluxes in the Galaxy (not all Pyrithians were pirates: some must have been mages to build flying ships), tried to warn their fellows of the danger but were laughed at. They built a ship and decided to flee before it was too late, but they were caught in the explosion and a temporal rift formed, sucking them in. They crashlanded on another world, in a forested area, and thought to have been transported to another part of the galaxy. After meddling with some powerful emissaries of a decadent empire, they managed to survive a great curse and relocated in another part of the forest, abandoning their magical studies and becoming nature oriented. Never they imagined they had crashlanded on Mystara, only at the time of the Nithian empire! In fact, instead of traveling to another part of the galaxy, the energy released by their planet's doom caused them to travel to another part of time continuum and landing on Mystara (which was near to Damocles after all) in its past (in BC 600 -shortly before Nithia's fall). This wouldn't create a temporal paradox or anomaly, since the first settlers will be long dead when they will see the light on their homeplanet in the future (prior the destruction) and so the lifelines won't be doubled (see Chronomancer supplement). More: they will think their planet is gone forever and will never suspect that one of the planets they see each night in the sky is their homeland. So they won't make any attempt to warn their fellows of the future catastrophe: they will not be able to change the course of the events, which will replicate forever and ever... Scenario 2: Pyrithians = Creators of Mystaran races The Pyrithians can also be one of the faraway cultures that visited Mystara long ago, maybe altering some of the species' evolution with their tampering and experiments, and later escaped their planet because of a long forgotten menace from another part of space (or time) and fled to Mystara. Scenario 3: Pyrithians = Beagle crewmembers Another theory has some crewmen of the F.S.S. Beagle who learned enough about the magic of Mystara return into space, only to discover that Mystaran space was very unlikely that they were used to. They settled the asteroid girdle in Mystaraspace and their culture thrived. Some millenniums later a small group split apart and landed on Mystara, the same planet their ancestors had left after their crash. There they finally became: the Emerondians! Scenario 4: Pyrithians = Faraway Settlers The Pyrithians are originally from Alpha Centauri. They arrived really long ago, sometime between the Blackmoor explosion and BC 1000. The reason for this is that at the time the Pyrithians should have had a very powerful culture on Epsilon Eridani. They had even started colonizing the nearest solar systems and had a mining colony on Charon. In this colony criminals were used as slaves. However, something happened on Charon and some of the slaves and mining engineers were able to flee before it was too late, landing on Damocles' moon. When Pyrithians discovered they received no more news from Charon they sent a scouting expedition to find out what was wrong.. but it never returned.. So they barred Mystaraspace from their charts and forgot about it.. Damocles had only one moon and an asteroid field orbiting around the planet. The Pyrithian survivors settled in the asteroid field and on the moon, forming two different cultures (one of pirates and the other a more settled and civilized one). When the Damoclites started colonizing their planet's moons with primitive voidships, the Pyrithians who dwelt in the asteroid field started raiding ships and colonies. [Note: this scenario also fits very well with scenario #1] Paterans The inhabitants of Patera can be divided into rakastas (from official sources, see Voyages of the Princess Ark), pachidermions and rakshasas (from unofficial speculations inside the list). For more detail on these cultures, see Andrew Theisen's Patera Files at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/dungeon/2967/mystsjr.html Alpha Centauri Aliens The only mention about an alien culture in Alpha Centauri is in the old Immortal set, but aside from this mention, nothing is really revealed about them. It is not even sure they have ever come to Mystara (unless you believe they are the Pyrithians) nor that they know the use of magic (they could be a simple technological civilization). Similar to the previous one, there is another reference to a possible alien civilization in an outer galaxy known by the Alphatians as Spillworld (see Dawn of the Emperors), but nothing is really described about it. Aelosians In CM6: Where Chaos Reigns, the world of Aelos is introduced. Nobody from this world has ever come to Mystara, but there is a trace that testifies that somebody from Mystara has visited Aelos in the past (before the PCs go there). In fact, there are some Gargantuan spider guarding the Great Library, and this means the great Gargantua has traveled there and has probably had magical exchanges with the Aelosian wizards of the Island of the Mages. Aside from this, Aelos lies in another part of the Prime Plane, possibly in the same Galaxy of Mystara (the Milky Way, aka the Mystery Path) and it's also very similar to Mystara (a world full of magic). But there is a threat that comes from the future: Oards. These creatures half-human and half-machine (very similar to Borgs but without a collective mind) want to erase magic from the face of Aelos and use timetravel to reach their goal, in order to convert all Aelos' people to the mundane arts of technology which they master. Aliens from the Unknown "The First Directive forbids us from interfering with these creatures, Captain Riesling." - - Lt Benekander while monitoring Mystara, before the Beagle crashed Four other alien civilizations not native of Mystara but whose exact origin is unsure are known from the D&D products: the Federation, the Alphatians, the Eldars and the Adaptors. The Federation First of all we must clarify a point: the F.S.S. Beagle (a spaceship from the mysterious alien Federation) never arrived on Mystara volountarily. The adventure modules labeled "DA" and WotI shed some light on this point when they say that the Beagle's technology reacted awry with Mystara's magic and caused the ship to loose power and to crashland on Mystara in BC 4,000. The same fact that nobody went to search for the Beagle in more than four thousands years testifies that probably the Beagle didn't really choose its route but found itself stuck in this part of the Universe. Canon (Wrath of the Immortals or WotI) says that the Federation exists in another dimension (or if you don't like the word just substitute it with "alternate universe", which must not be confused with "alternate reality"), and since nobody came to retrieve the Beagle, we can hypothesize the Beagle was caught up in a rift of timespace (maybe caused by its experimental engine or other gear on board to be tested, or simply an existing rift in the continuum which the Beagle unknowingly stepped into) that transported it to Mystara. The Federation has not the power (technology) to cross dimensions (alternate universes), and may not even have the technology to cross planes of its universe of existence (after all, relying only on technology they could ignore the existance of other planes which are not scientifically explained). So the Federation is basically a universe spanning civilization very similar to Star Trek's United Federation of Planets. Another idea could be that the Federation never searched for the Beagle because it collapsed after the Beagle's departure. Maybe it was indeed located in the hub of the Galaxy and the Beagle (even traveling at spelljamming speed -100 millions of miles per day) had to travel for a lot of time before arriving to Mystaraspace (after all the existance of the chambers of "stasis" inside the Beagle and the fact the crew members were sleeping in them when it crashed suggests that they expected a long trip). In that lapse of time (years? Decades?) the federation somehow collapsed and so nobody cared about the Beagle's fate anymore. Remember that the former crewmember Benekander is an Immortal. Surely he would be capable of crossing the dimensional barriers to seek out the Federation. WotI says he has made Mystara his home. It could mean that the Federation is no more. It could even mean that Benekander's home planet is no more. The Federation was supposed to maintain internal peace and order. It is easy to assume it also served as an alliance against some outside threat such as Star Treks (OS) Klingons. Perhaps the "klingons" struck or did something to undermine the Federation's unity. Time to pull out Tale of the Comet if you want some of this to follow the Beagle to Mystara. The last idea involves again timetravel: the rift was not a dimensional but a temporal rift, so that the Federation exists somewhere else in the Prime but it hasn't sent anyone to retrieve the Beagle cause the incident hasn't happened yet on their homeworld! The Beagle could very well be coming from Mystara's own future!! Old Alphatia In BC 5,000, on the faraway world known as Old Alphatia, a group of people began its meteoric raise to civilization exploting their incredible affinity with magics. Over a millennium, they had built the most powerful empire based on magic ever known in the Multiverse: these were the pure Alphatians. Soon after, they began exploring their space and colonizing other planets, later conquering the lesser races. Among these, the Cypris culture was assimilated.. or rather ended up assimilating the Alphatian one, creating the mixed Cypri-alphatian culture that still survives today on Mystara. In BC 1,000 Old Alphatia experienced a great period of crisis and civil war erupted among the Followers of Air and Followers of Fire, two magical-philosophical factions that vied for predominance over one another. The final result of this infighting was the utter annihilation of the planet, which caused the Alphatians to migrate to another world, escaping their doom. This way the Followers of Air arrived on Mystara and colonized the eastern continent later renamed Alphatia. The Followers of Fire instead landed in the Glantrian region and established the first Flaemish Duchies. The history of the Alphatians was first told in module M1: Into the Maelstrom, and in this adventure Old Alphatia was located in a faraway galaxy on the Prime Plane. However, in a later D&D supplement (WotI), Old Alphatia is described as an Outer Plane adjacent to the Plane of Energy, thereby explaining the high affinity of Alphatians for magic (affinity which was somehow dulled by their migration to Mystara). Either way, Old Alphatia is now a great space filled with breathable air where the survivors of the old Alphatian colonies dwell. Some of these are even capable of traveling through space via flying ships, and could probably come to Mystara if it wasn't so detached from their world. Eldars The Dragonlord Trilogy introduces a new alien species on Mystara: the fabled Eldars, ancestors of the elven and draconic race, according to the books written by Thorarinn Gunnarson. Apparently, these Eldars were a race of powerful and wise shapeshifters who interbred with mortals in the past millennia and lived in Norwold. They suddenly disappeared and the legends tell that dragons and elves were spawned by them before leaving Mystara. Some sages still speculate that the last descendants of the first Eldars still live among dragonkind in Norwold or among the Wendarian elves, even though no real proof has ever been presented. Some theories do exist about the Eldars' real past and present. The first one is loosely based on the High Ones from Wendy and Richard Pini's ElfQuest graphic novels. >From the far reaches of Space came a race called the Elai'dar. They were a highly advanced civilization based on Magic, rather than Technology. Their race colonized worlds, plundered them of all resources and moved onto the next world. They travelled through Space in huge crystallic vessels. After some time they realized that they had to learn to live in harmony with the natives of the worlds they came to. The Elai'dar were not conquerors as such. They integrated with other races, but they didn't realize or care that the worlds resources were limited and spent them all. leaving the worlds barren. However, at first they had very litle respect for nature and life in general. Most of the worlds they discovered had no intelligent life so they merely hunted animals, consumed huge masses of food and soon destroyed their ecosystem, leaving for other planets to exploit. They were shapechanging creatures, took the shapes of creatures on the worlds they approached and interbread with them, learning their ways of life and gradually becoming like them. One crystal ship of the Elai'dar came to Mystara. They were not a violent race. As a matter of fact they were peaceful and gentle, innocent you may say. They hadn't encountered many hostile cultures before. Since they saw that the humans were (somewhat) intelligent, they greeted them coming in peace. The humans reacted in fear and caught the Elai'dar by surprise. The result was terrible. However, part of the group was saved by elves. The Elai'dar took the shapes of the elves and lived among them. Generations later, Dragons came to this world. Some Dragons contacted the elves and some Elai'dar who hadn't become too attached to their elven form, took the shape of Dragons and became part of these majestic creatures' society. As the years went by, the Elai'dar became known as the Eldar and forgot about their origin. They now belived they were the ancestors of both Dragons and Elves. It is suspected that the Eldars bloodlines may be the reason why some Dragons have the ability to shapechange into humanoids. Also, some elves have special affinities for certain types of Magic. [Coolhands (Elves of Alfheim) has affinities for Healing magic.] This could be a result of Eldar blood mixed with elfblood. The Eldar are virtually immortal. However, the history of Mystara is one of violence and death. Only a few individuals still exist. They can take the form of Elves and Dragons and are highly skilled magic-users, but have forgotten most of their other magical abilities. The only known Eldar live in Wendar, the Elven kingdom north of Glantri. According to the second theory, the Elai'dar were a race of knowledge seekers who merged with the other races of space to know their customs and magic rather then invading them and stealing their richness. The Elai'dar were not conquerors in the common sense of the term. They didn't impose their superiority on others using the brute strength: rather, they assimilated and imitated the race's powers after studying it and later placed members of their race in key positions to exploit the resources of the society unseen. During one of their voyages they arrived on Mystara in BC 3,200 and settled in Brun near Blackmoor (or if you think Blackmoor was on Skothar, then imagine there was another Blackmoor city in Brun) and among the elves who lived there (ancestors of the Shadowelves). When the Great Rain of Fire struck, they were caught off guard. They tried to exit the atmosphere with their spaceship before it was too late, but the explosions damaged it and they crashlanded in the Wendar area. There they were probably hailed as messengers of the gods and worshipped as such. Some of them stayed and tried to help these people survive the aftereffects of the catastrophe, while others decided to migrate northwards trying to escape the radiations. It might be that some of the Korrigans who saved Wendar from the side effects of the Great Rain of Fire were in fact Eldars (or maybe all of them were Eldars). Eventually, the Eldars were hailed as Fathers of the elven people (at least by Wendarians) but then the Glantri catastrophe erased part of their memories and this is why currently nobody knows of the Eldars. Those who went northwards met the dragons, who seemed to resist better the effects of the catastrophe, and lived among them in their form, breeding with them and gifting some of them with the ability to shapechange to humanoid forms as well. It could also be that the Aquarendi contacted some Eldars before going into the sea and after breeding with them they gained the powers to water-breathe. It is not known if the Eldars are immortal or can die of old age. Today the only known Eldars live in Wendar, the Elven kingdom north of Glantri, and in Norwold, among the dragons. Finally, one more thing to mention is the close link that exists between Eldars and Polymars, two true shapeshifting races that share many similarities. Currently there are two possible explanations for this link: Professor Novar (who created polymar race) was an Eldar himself and tried to turn other people into new Eldars using biotechnology. This could have many causes, but the first and foremost would be repopulating a dying race. In this case he obviously failed, although he himself became a bit more powerful after his experiments. Currently he doesn't know about the other Eldars' fate though he suspects they've died or fled Mystara after the Blackmoor incident. He never told his "children" of his real heritage nor of the Eldars' existence, so IF they ever come to meet them, the reaction will probably depend on the Eldars' objectives on Mystara. If they join the polymars for conquering the world, a new alliance is born, otherwise the polymars will see the eldars as a poential threat to their own plan and try to eliminate them (while Novar would like to talk with them); Professor Novar and Oregar created the Polymar Project using a captured Eldar as guinea pig. The Blackmoor Government discovered the Eldars infiltrated in their society and imprisoned one of them. Believing they were alien creatures about to conquer Blackmoor, they wanted to fight them with their own weapons and to gain their abilities as well, and so instructed Oregar and Novar to study the sample and come up with something to imitate his powers. So the Polymar project was born, although it then took two different routes (see Polymar: the Shadow Legacy). Nowadays Novar still views the Eldars as superior beings and would like to discover more about them and to have them by his side. Other polymars have never met an eldar and ignore their existence (see above). Adaptors Adaptors are another alien race of interplanar and interplanetary travellers with the strange ability to adapt their body to different kind of energies in order to avoid damage. They are superior beings, smarter and more intelligent than the common Mystaran, always equipped with strange technological items and ready for every unexpected situation. It is not known if they hail from another planet in the Prime Plane of another plane entirely, even though from the information gathered they seem to boast an advanced technology and no trace of magic wielders among them. Some speculate they "devolved" from Eldars, or that they are the result of another interbreeding between two races with Eldars being one of them. Nothing is known for sure however, up to now. Alternate Universes and Alternate Realities "I'll be back!" - - Wesley the Chronomancer Now a clarification of my distinction between "alternate universe" (or dimension) and "alternate reality" or "timeframe". The concept of alternate universe has been masterfully explained by André Martins and I am quoting his definition here for the sake of clarity: " Imagine you are a being with only 2 spatial dimensions, living in a sheet of paper. That sheet of paper would be what people usually calls a plane. Now imagine your sheet is not alone, but is in a book, with many other sheet-planes next to it. As you live only in your sheet, you wil never know about it, but there might be ways to change sheets, so that you'd go to other planes. What WotI cals a dimension, would be the whole book. Other dimensions would be other books, with many sheet-planes inside it." This fits perfectly with the concept of alternate universe. Now regarding alternate timeframe or reality, just imagine a scribe that copies the the text of a book (universe) and either volountarily or involountarily alters its contents in some parts: each time it alters its text he creates a completely different text even though it still deals with the same topic. We could also say that different universes (dimensions) are books that talk about different subjects, while different timeframes are books that deal with different versions of the same subject. So for each book we'll have different versions of it (though I don't believe infinite versions) to the point that nobody will be able to tell which one is the original one anymore. Last Note: Alien Civilizations and Immortals If Mystarans aren't alone in the Prime, it is likely the Immortals know it and have established other followers in different civilizations living on the other planets (not doing it would be fool!). Aelos is probably the most explicit example of Immortals meddling with other planets, as well as Old Alphatia. This also means there are other Immortals coming from other planets, but Mystara is so important to Immortals because of its position inside the universe (its centrum) and because it has produced the greatest number of Immortals among all the populated worlds in the Prime. "Full Impulse ahead. Navigator, engage!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:44 +0100 (MET) From: Agathokles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Solmyr of the Azure Star wrote: > > What about this version: Simon worshipped some "dark god" back on Laterre, >which also partially accounted for the exile of the Ambrevilles. He >continued >to worship this dark god on Mystara too (thus Gaz3 lists him as Chaotic). >However, he did not get any spells (possibly because that dark god cannot >access Mystara), and thus eventually was contacted by Razud and took his >worship (becoming NG by the end of WotI). Does this sound fine? > This poses an interesting question on the relation between Laterre and Mystara. If the gods of Laterre (does Laterre have gods or immortals?) cannot access Mystara, then probably it is true also the reverse (mystaran immortals cannot access Laterre), and then there would be some problems for characters involved in the X2 adventure. Otherwise, if Laterran gods can access Mystara, we have a bunch of god-worshipping clerics in Mystara (at least Simon and Bruce McGregor). Giampaolo Agosta P.S.: by the way, Bruce McGregor is a cleric of which immortal? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:48:34 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - WotI-?'s On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 Nurvel@aol.com wrote: > Does anyonw know if someone has a document on their page describing in brief > the events in the Wrath of the Immortals.....because I have no clue when this > occurred or what happed during this time.........Mike....... Gimme a couple of days and i'll come up with something. I'm also hoping to provide some comments on other things that may have occurred in the period 1000-1010. Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:06:59 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - re: The d'Ambervilles On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Agathokles wrote: > This poses an interesting question on the relation between Laterre and > Mystara. If the gods of Laterre (does Laterre have gods or immortals?) > cannot access Mystara, then probably it is true also the reverse (mystaran > immortals cannot access Laterre), and then there would be some problems > for characters involved in the X2 adventure. Otherwise, if Laterran gods > can access Mystara, we have a bunch of god-worshipping clerics in Mystara > (at least Simon and Bruce McGregor). Well, in the module, there were pictures of people holding crosses. However, I dont really feel like mixing christianity into this. Some people (mystaros or cthuludrew?) suggested that this world was dominated by dark powers similar to those of the Chtulhu mythos. Possibly the Outer Beings Geoff Gander keeps scaring us all with. Geoff? Comments on this one? Håvard *** Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nucleus of the Spheres On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Sharon Dornhoff wrote: > Am I the only one on this list who feels this way, or have other MML-ers > already hashed out their own disappointment with WotI's consistency gafes, > and I missed it...? Well, I think that is up to the individual DM to decide, but I figure that if an Old One put the NoS *there*, then no mere Immortal should think about moving it. But also, it seems that (from the literature) that moving the NoS offworld would be bad for Mystara's Magic. Ethan - -- Ethan Deneault - PH/MU '99 www.wpi.edu/~eand - wpi.flame Quote Archive. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mystara Working Groups (v. Sharon wrote: >Hey guys, could there be a one-woman (plus lots of help from Geoff) >"working group"? If so, could my fumbling around with the "Hollow Moon" >get listed...? I know I've been posting to the MMB rather than the MML >(mostly because of my e-mail account's limited capacity), but Shawn HAS >been archiving my work, along with the mailing list's material. > >If it's all right, I'd welcome the chance to get input -- or maybe even >(gasp!) other writers -- from the MML readership: this blasted moon's >taking ages, for me to make any progress on. Well, Sharon, I was hoping you'd suggest adding your project to the list. :) Technically I don't add a project unless someone else suggests it, or unless the person (people) doing the work want me to do so. Given that you're opening up Matera a bit, could you send me (privately) a one-paragraph (or so) description of what you're about, what you want to accomplish, etc? I'll add that in a submit v. 2.2 to the MML soon afterwards. :) Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Part-Time High Priest, Ottawa Chapter of the Church of Y'hog au998@freenet.carleton.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:50:51 +0100 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Other OD&D campaign worlds... On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:38:56 +0000, Mike Harvey asked: <> Well, even if I started playing in 1990, I didn't have the gazetteers by then and so I worked out a completely different world, which then became an alternate pocket universe with planets and a cadre of 15 deities. The PCs we played with originated from Mystara (which in those days was simply called "D&D world") but were sucked in a strange dimensional vortex after escaping from the Isle of Dread. The thing is we had just FAILED X1 miserably and the old DM had no will to go on Dming, so he passed the campaign to me (I had just bought Basic and Expert set). I transported the PCs (level 6-7) to another planet in my newly created dimension, Draconia, and there their goal was now to return to Mystara locating somebody who could have helped them. The campaign went on for 3 years long, and at the end the PCs managed to locate a dimensional passage in the Dimension of the Gods of Draconia which finally took them back home (they were now level 15-18). The group split and we never played anymore, but fortunately I created other gaming groups after that. But going back to Draconia, I'm proud to say I wrote many many pages filled with its history (10,000 years of history), I drew the map of the whole world, detailed the 15 deities, which turned out to be opposed to the Immortals since their coming in Draconia (I had acquired the Immortal Set and WotI by that time) and were constantly trying to invade Mystara to rob them of their "baby". I also detailed many new NPCs and races, monsters and classes which are still in use by my players (the ninja or "elementalor" and shiner being the two most favoured). So, yes, I DO have another campaign world, but I used it mainly with the first gaming group, even though I continue to make several references to it even with my other groups, but after all, who hasn't ever played the demiurge once? ;) <> You're welcome. You can do what you want with the campaign world, after all it's not something set in stone. There are guidelines, but since we're not talking about RW physics, everyone's entitled his own ideas on the subject. This means: use it as you like and have fun! Forget that C word! ;) <> I'm detailing it now for the Almanac, so you can use my ideas as suggestions and elaborate from those, or make up something entirely new, as u like. There's also something written by Bruce Heard about living cities you could pick up if you can access the Mystara Boards (hey guys, this is free advertising, I guess u gotta pay me for this ;)). <> Theoretically it's the home of goblinoids races (the Cradle) and human savage tribes, as well as maybe a subterranean kingdom of minotaurs (my idea) and surely an evil human-humanoid kingdom ruled by the crazed Moorkroft. <> Well detailed in Voyages of the Princess Ark, Red Steel, X9: Savage Coast and Champions of Mystara, but then if you don't like Red Steel idea then you'll have to rework that or maybe keep it but throw out the Red Curse, although you should find new goals for many of the groups then.. <> The Morient group (which I'm proud to be part of) is detailing them using RW oriental cultures as basis, so if you wanna join.. ;) .. I'm back.. and prepare for my next release about ALIENS in Mystaraspace.. ;) DM *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1997 #780 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message.