mystara-digest Sunday, September 12 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 386 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. Re: [MYSTARA] - Dwarves and the Theif Class (was OD&D vs AD&D classes/races ... [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - Map of Mystara.. Re: Just Say No to WotI (was Re: [MYSTARA] - Maps--Darokin) Re: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... Re: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. Re: [MYSTARA] - RE: Demons in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. Marco inscribed unto the aether... >Mwuuhahahahaha! Yes, there is.. I HAVE COMPILED IT! It's 42 pages, filled >with ALL skills found in the gaz, + others found in netbooks + others found >in AD&D sourcebooks.. ALL detailed and explained nicely and thoroughly, >with charts and tables of reference.. You can have it for free, sure.. only >problem is.. IT'S ENTIRELY WRITTEN IN ITALIAN!!... *sadic grin* > >Sorry guys, but I needed it for my players.. and I needed it in Italian ;) Hmmm...any chance of seeing those files on your player's website (S--t Dragon's Lair) being translated? IIRC, you had detail on the AC and hit points of things like doors and chairs, as well as sheets for keeping track of time and weather. The weather tables on the Trail Maps are great, but a little unwieldy, if you know what I mean... ;-) Anyhow, those files looked neat, and I'm sure there would be an audience for them. Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. - --- Geoff Gander wrote: > Hmmm...any chance of seeing those files on your > player's website (S--t > Dragon's Lair) being translated? IIRC, you had > detail on the AC and hit > points of things like doors and chairs, as well as > sheets for keeping > track of time and weather. The weather tables on > the Trail Maps are > great, but a little unwieldy, if you know what I > mean... ;-) > > Anyhow, those files looked neat, and I'm sure there > would be an audience > for them. Oh yes, I'd like to see those articles posted in English on your website. Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:24:30 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Dwarves and the Theif Class (was OD&D vs AD&D classes/races ... In a message dated 9/11/99 1:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, malacoda@uswest.net writes: << Just two comments from the peanut gallery... First, no matter how much something is ingrained upon people culturally, there is likely to be a small number that defy this. Now, with the mentality of dwarves, I agree this number is likely to be very small, but I do believe that dwarves that steal would still exist. They would likely not stick around Rockhome to risk the harsh penalties they would suffer if caught, and thus would be even more likely to enter the "adventuring" lifestyle. For me, when it comes to free-thinking beings and their behavior, I have great difficulty accepting absolutes. Even in a high fantasy world such as Mystara. Second, the thief class is just a framework of skills and abilities, with no dictation of how they need be used. I think everyone is too set upon its name. The idea that a dwarf cannot ever learn a set of skills that would allow it to be a stealthy scout in the depths strikes me as silly, and the thief class is the perfect framework for this concept. Even with OD&D's "You advance in the skill even if you never use it" thing, it is a simple matter of dropping that skill. The Rake does it, after all. >> Well, someone mentioned that there would have to be a reason to explain their appearance in Mystara. IMC, one of the first dwarf thieves was a fellow who had made it his calling to recover lost Dwarvish artifacts, works of art, quality weapons, magic items, etc. It started cause he had established that his family were famous artisans, but no longer powerful and he didn't have the gift of craft himself, so he took up the call to get these things back. We all know these things are a staple in most FRPG's, where players are looking for lost mines, forgotten cities, dragon hordes, etc. You could argue that this is what Thorin and the boys were doing in The Hobbit. Also, I don't own it, but didn't TSR just release a module centered on the fabled Axe of the Dwarvish Lords. Don't you think dwarves would react badly to this item falling into the grasp of any non-dwarf? This dwarf thief was a hero when he killed orcs that had conquered old dwarf mines, or helped to follow a treasure map and defeated mutual enemies, but he was an outlaw in the civilized nations where he stole, oh, sorry, liberated these cultural treasures. The Authorities in Rockhome would publicly denounce these actions, but secretly, they turned a blind eye to his activities, and even used him for assignments (Alexander Mundy, anybody). His "nom du crime" was a household name among nationalist dwarves. He was allowed to go about his business as long as he never stole from another dwarf. The party learned this when after a long adventure with some monetary rewards, the character told another player he could have his share of the treasure (with several goodies) in return for the human's +2 shield. Turns out it was dwarven, and the maker mark was known to him. The player didn't want to give it up, and the dwarf made it clear he would do whatever it took. The cleric managed to persuade the fighter to accept the trade, and the dwarf left with his "less valuable" shield. This guy reappeared as a NPC a couple times to help the party, and occasionally to steal from them. They once had to try and catch their old friend when hired by an angry Thyatian merchant. If there became a tide of nationalist and racial fervor in Rockhome, then you could explain the appearance of Dwarf thieves, or fighter-thieves, in your campaign as other dwarfs following in his footsteps/had similar ideas. Just my two cents wor . . . wait a second . . . where did my two cents go . . . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:37:49 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 9/11/99 11:50:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pds3@dana.ucc.nau.edu writes: << Somewhere (either the Minrothad Gazetteer or CoM or one of the PWAs) says that the existence of a large civilization in Yavdlom is a closely guarded Minrothad trade secret. If Thyatis knows of its existence at all, even a cursury diplomatic examination would dissuae Thyatis from attempting an invasion. I can see Thyatis taking Sea Camel and Mule Beach (Kladanovit and Tyjaret--the towns at either end of the Necklace), but Yavdlom would be of little use and very difficult to conquer The Black Rajah is allied with the Master, isn't he? I don't think Hule would accept Thyatian expansion so close to their newly-conquered Sind. While they might not be able to prevent the conquest of Jaibul, they can certainly prevent the Thyatians from holding it>> Good point! Lets not forget that the Voyages of the Princess Ark were ones of DISCOVERY. They weren't published in the KW. In fact, the info that voyage gained went secretly back to the Empress for her perousal. So only few Alphatians, even fewer Brun inhabitants, and some menbers of the Heldanic Knights really "know" much of what is beyond Darokin and the Shires. Most see even nearby Sind as far off and exotic, and probably think of the Great Waste going on forever . . . With Hule as some far off evil empire. It wasn't called 'The Known World' for nothing. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:04:14 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 1999-09-11 14:44:05 Eastern Daylight Time, BoBoII@aol.com writes: > Good point! Lets not forget that the Voyages of the Princess Ark were ones of > DISCOVERY. They weren't published in the KW. In fact, the info that voyage > gained went secretly back to the Empress for her perousal. So only few > Alphatians, even fewer Brun inhabitants, and some menbers of the Heldanic > Knights really "know" much of what is beyond Darokin and the Shires. Most > see even nearby Sind as far off and exotic, and probably think of the Great > Waste going on forever . . . With Hule as some far off evil empire. But there is no reason to assume that only Alphatia was exploring the rest of the Known World. Certainly the Heldannic Knights kept up with most of the Princess Ark's voyages, and hints of their exploits may have gotten back to the Thyatians. Those hints should be more than enough to get at least some Thyatian explorers to do their own exploring. In any case, the old Master's map actually provides some evidence that Thyatians may have done a better job of exploring than the Alphatians did, as I suggested in a post a few months ago. One of the proudest but not too well known Thyatian achievements would have been the founding of a colony on the northern coast of Brun, along with a caravan route connecting that colony with the Known World by way of Wendar and Glantri. One of these days I will have to elaborate on that largely forgotten colony. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:24:32 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 9/11/99 3:10:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kaviyd@aol.com writes: << But there is no reason to assume that only Alphatia was exploring the rest of the Known World. Certainly the Heldannic Knights kept up with most of the Princess Ark's voyages, and hints of their exploits may have gotten back to the Thyatians. Those hints should be more than enough to get at least some Thyatian explorers to do their own exploring. >> But would they manage to have the airspeed/airpower of the PA? The Alphatians and Heldanic reliance on flying ships have helped this exploration immensely. Sure some KW folk can travel/explore, but think of how powerful the PA ship and crew are. Many less "amped" groups would never make it back. The HKnights would see to that. They want these stretches to be a 'Hule/HK backyard.' *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:04:22 -0400 From: "SteelAngel" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] > In any case, the old Master's map actually provides some evidence that > Thyatians may have done a better job of exploring than the Alphatians did, IIRC, That "Thyatian Map" was actually Nithian in origin. Maybe the area marked as "Empire of Thyatis" would be better read as "Empire of Nithia" :D Ethan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:04:22 +0200 From: Jamuga Khan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Map of Mystara.. > >Anyone notice the error on the Mystaran Map on Stan's page? > > > >Hint: The RC and the HW box have the same error. > > Oh, no! Yalu Bay's filled in! What a shame... Perhaps there pours down a lot of mud from the Yalu River so that the once mighty Yalu Bay is now nothing more than a swamp... :-) Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:04:48 +0200 From: Jamuga Khan Subject: Re: Just Say No to WotI (was Re: [MYSTARA] - Maps--Darokin) > I actually DID like WotI, and I planned to run it with two of my groups, > doing a crossover with the two groups (just did that with one of the > parties and it turned out well). The main thing I didn't like about WotI > was the scant information about post-Wrath on some countries, but the PWA > made up quite well for that one (even with some inconsistencies). I like > great campaigns like WotI, provided they don't happen once every year! ;) > Also, I don't get HOW the heck Glantri city managed to survive the assault > of 1000 36th level mages!!!!!???? IMHO, after only three rounds of spells, > Glantri City should have been reduced to thin ashes.. anyway.. There couldn't be 1000 wizards. Even you don't like my version of the Grand Council (with clerics and paladins/avengers) a lot of the MGCs were not there (outer-planar travel) or dead (ages above 100 are deadly if all potions of longevity fail). Perhaps there were only a few hundred of them. OTOH this should have be enough to destroy Glantri City likewise... Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:05:27 +0200 From: Jamuga Khan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... > ok then....the way it works is that: > 1. We know the wizard has 3 children. > 2. The sum of the ages is 13 > 3. The ages multiplied equals the number of humans. This is an important > point because while WE dont know the number of humans we can assume that the > wizards do. > 4. the eldest daughter has a lupin for a best friend. This means that there > is indeed 1 eldest daughter ie. not twins. > > So now you divide the number 13 into bunches of 3 digits and find sets of > digits that have the same product. After doing this you will find only 2 > sets that have both the same sum and product. 2,2,9 and 1,6,6. Now as we > know there is an ELDEST daughter it must be 2,2,9 > > Jason Murphy The central point is, of course, that the second wizard is unable to solve the riddle ALTHOUGH HE KNOWS THE NUMBER OF HUMANS !!! With his informations he has a great advantage but it's not enough. Every solution with a definite result cannot be the solution. OTOH there are only a strictly limited solutions as we're talking about "diophantic equations" e.g. all variables have to be whole numbers. As Jason has explained there is only one product which can be reached on different ways, and the existence of an oldest daughter eliminates the 6-6-1 solution. 9-2-2 is the only and absolutely correct solution for the riddle. Jamuga Khan "Hear and obey, because the Mighty Khan's word is law!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:43:54 +0200 From: Jamuga Khan Subject: Re: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... > << 3. The ages multiplied equals the number of humans. This is an important > point because while WE dont know the number of humans we can assume that the > wizards do. >> > > What exactly did this have to do with the solution, or was it just fluff? We have to write down all possible solutions which are added the thirteen. Then we multiply all numbers. The wizard who knows the number of humans, e.g. the result of the product, cannot solve it. The solution must appear at least twice. One of these will be eliminated... Age Daughter 1 Age Daughter 2 Age Daughter 3 Sum Product 11 1 1 13 11 10 2 1 13 20 9 3 1 13 27 9 2 2 13 36 8 4 1 13 32 8 3 2 13 48 7 5 1 13 35 7 4 2 13 42 7 3 3 13 63 6 6 1 13 36 6 5 2 13 60 6 4 3 13 72 These are all possible solutions starting with the knowledge that the sum has to be 13. The wizard KNOWS the result of the product but he cannot solve it. For the 11, 20, 27, 32, 35, 42, 48, 60, 63 and 72 HE would have been able to do so (of course not the most esteemed reader :-) ), so the number of persons has to be 36. One of the solutions require that the both oldest daughters are twins, but this not possible due to the statement with this lupin friend... Jamuga Khan "A apologize to all people who have aquired severely twists in their brains." :-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:54:31 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard >4. Where's the Damn Link? (Cabal of obsessed netsurfers lost in the virtual >reality of Shawn Stanley's website) it ain't that bad is it? shawn stanley http://dnd.starflung.com what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Diego Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. > Mwuuhahahahaha! Yes, there is.. I HAVE COMPILED IT! It's 42 pages, filled > with ALL skills found in the gaz, + others found in netbooks + others found > in AD&D sourcebooks.. ALL detailed and explained nicely and thoroughly, > with charts and tables of reference.. You can have it for free, sure.. only > problem is.. IT'S ENTIRELY WRITTEN IN ITALIAN!!... *sadic grin* That is just not fair, kicking a man when he is down. ;) > Sorry guys, but I needed it for my players.. and I needed it in Italian ;) Well then, I completely understand, after all that is what I want it for as well. BTW I too would like to see a translation of it. Thanks, Diego *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:25:35 +0200 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - RE: Demons in Mystara At Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT), au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) wrote: >Heya Marco! >ABout that booklet you mentioned - is it really published for D&D? By this >I mean, has an independent company in Italy started publishing materials on >their own for the game (like Pagan Publishing produces materials for >Chaosium's Call of Cthulhu)? If so, this could be very interesting... Well, the booklets are just.. well, booklets. About 60 pages in a 20X10 cms format, not that big. This independent company actually published many things for D&D (like Mayfair RoleAids, we might say), but they don't sell to the broad market. I just happened to find their products on Italy's greatest RPG and boardgames selling company's catalog, and so I bought it. I doubt this little editing house still publishes something nowadays.. As for the Italian publishing house that has the D&D copyright, they explicitely said they won't edit new stuff for D&D (Brizio and I proposed them to edit our Mystaran Almanac, but they turned it away). They are now facing a small dilemma regarding future AD&D products to translate, since 3rd ED caught them a bit off balance.. sometimes I wonder if I don't know more than them about TSR marketing plans (and believe me, they've given me proofs of their ignorance multiple times..). >Any chance at all of you sharing some of the info here? :-) Uhmm, well Geoff, it's not that easy.. there are many charts and random demon generators.. some other specifics regarding demon powers, conjuring methods and the like, and I don't really have the time to translate the whole thing.. so I guess the answer must be "not in the immediate future". :) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:26:09 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) How about the Modriswerg dwarves? Admantyr SteelAngel wrote: > > I'd say that there aren't any *known* Dwarves with full Thief abilities > > in *OD&D* Mystara. However, I see no reason why there shouldn't be > > Dwarven Thieves in AD&D Mystara as per the core rules permit. > > What the roolz say and what is culturally acceptable are two different > things. Rockhome Dwarves are not thieves. They just can't be. To a Dwarf, > stealing is a horrible act. That is so culturally inbred into Dwarvish > society that even if (for some reason) I used the AD&D system, and someone > wanted to play a dwarf-theif, they wouldn't. > > Ethan > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:43:41 EDT From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) In a message dated 9/11/99 11:03:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Scoooman@aol.com writes: << why in the name of The Red Arrow couldn't a dwarf be a criminal? I know that they have a high sense of honor, or at least the pathetic Rockholme dwarves do, but I've had the pleasure of travelling with some deep dwarves, and they were quite criminalistic, even evil at times . . . >> Actually, I've seen some poor treatment done to the noble dwarves of Rockhome by refugees fleeing Alfheim...seems even the followers of the Red Arrow aren't above becoming common brigands. Arminath Wynter - Old Man of the North *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:32 +0100 From: Thorfinn Tait Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara I always planned to run the Itheldown Island adventure from the Darokin Gazetteer using an original Immortals set demon as the demon that Henry Ithel summoned. I never got round to doing it, but it was going to be an encounter to bring my power-hungry PCs down to size. :-) Marco, didn't you do about the same thing? Thorf. ========================================= "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost." Thorfinn Tait--Curufin@velvia.demon.co.uk Unofficial Keeper of the Offical Timeline ========================================= *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:19:46 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) ahem, if you were in any way referring to me as a common brigand, or to any followers of the great Mealiden Starwatcher, then I'll be contacting a mercenary up north to come and pay you a visit . . . but if not, then no hard feelings. being that i have seen some of these so called, "refugees" from Alfheim, i completely understand your statement, and unfortunately, i have seen many a dwarf turned towards a life of crime, to a certain extent. Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of the Starwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:10:28 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 1999-09-11 15:30:34 Eastern Daylight Time, BoBoII@aol.com writes: > But would they manage to have the airspeed/airpower of the PA? The > Alphatians and Heldanic reliance on flying ships have helped this exploration > immensely. Sure some KW folk can travel/explore, but think of how powerful > the PA ship and crew are. Many less "amped" groups would never make it back. > The HKnights would see to that. They want these stretches to be a 'Hule/HK > backyard.' I suspect that the Thyatians would conduct most of their explorations by mundane means -- sailing ships, overland caravans, and the like. It is a slow way to go, but they have been at it for nearly a thousand years. There should be no doubt that they are thorough and systematic in their record keeping -- after all, the first three almanacs were said by Joshuan to be Thyatian in style and authorship. And despite (or even because of) Haldemar's criticism of that old Thyatian map, there is evidence that the Thyatians made fewer mistakes in describing their discoveries than did Haldemar (who admittedly covered great distances in a relatively short time). The main source of error for Thyatian works would be failure to keep up to date -- but you can be reasonably sure that any information they compiled was accurate at some time in the past. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:10:29 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 1999-09-11 16:11:21 Eastern Daylight Time, spymaster@planetfortress.com writes: > IIRC, That "Thyatian Map" was actually Nithian in origin. Maybe the area > marked as "Empire of Thyatis" would be better read as "Empire of Nithia" :D My interpretation is that Haldemar relied on his thieving skill of "Read Languages" rather than the equivalent spell -- note that Thyatian is not one of the languages that he actually knows. He failed his roll and thus misinterpreted the writing on the map but was too proud to ask anyone else for help. The basic mistake he made was in misinterpreting a map that was meant to show cultural/linguistic regions as a political map, as any Thyatian would know that there was never any political entity that controlled the entire region depicted on that map as "Thyatian". However, at the time the map was drawn, trade routes had been set up througout that region that could be used by somebody whose sole language was Thyatian. As for that narrow region connecting Glantri with the northern coast of Brun - -- it marks the trade route established by the Thyatian Polar Expeditions, which succeeded in creating an outpost on the northern coast of Brun but ultimately failed to reach the non-existent North Pole. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:12:52 +0100 From: "Paul George Dooley" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard There probably will not be a westward expansion for one simple reason, ADVENTURERS. Thyatian army steamrollers into Karameikos = Thyatian senators expiring in their villas. Then said villas burning to the ground. How can you fight a war against an enemy without leadership or supplies. The ratio would probably be about one party of median level adventurers (9th-15th depending on magic items) per Imperial cohort. Obviously it's almost impossible to kill the Emperor, but some judicious weeding of the lower ranks will do the job just as well. Butcher the officers messily and see how soon they are replaced ,and with what calibre of men. Use those fireballs where they'll do the most good, destroy their supplies (preferably in full view of the enemy) > I agree that Thyatis COULD expand to the west, taking Karameikos within ten > years; the Shires and possibly Darokin soon after. I think the more > pressing question is do they want to. There is no significant chance that > they will come under attack from WDL. The league has already shown itself > unwilling to support the Dwarves in their aggression, and there's no way > that they would commit themselves to a Thyatian invasion. Thyatis' only > real concerns on Brun are the Heldannic Knights and Hule--and they'd rather > have Darokin, the Shires, and Karameikos around to absorb further attacks > from Hule. If Darokin City falls to Hule at any point, Thyatis will turn > all it's attention to conquering Selenica, but until such a scenario, > Eusebius would rather, IMO, have Darokin in between to absorb Hulean > aggression. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #386 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Sunday, September 12 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 387 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) [MYSTARA] - Deaths of Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - *sigh* (was: OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor)) Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - *sigh* (was: OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizardsand armor)) Re: [MYSTARA] - WOTI's Debriefing Re: [MYSTARA] - WOTI's Debriefing [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go [MYSTARA] - update of the site Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:48:40 +0100 From: "Paul George Dooley" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) > Dwarves can't be criminals. At least not on Mystara, as a Dwarf Theif would > be put to death, or some other nasty punishment. > Why so especially hard on dwarves? Maybe he was enslaved and never knew the way DWARVES should behave. Also you don't have to do anything to be a criminal, except be in the wrong place at the right time. Sweeping generalisations like you wrote above are downright idiotic as they are so easy to disprove. For example the criminal dwarves who brought the plague into Glantri. That's how the Glantriians saw them, and killed them and experimented on them Or maybe they're from the Savage Coast (no DWARVEN culture there) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:51:37 -0600 From: CW-Mystara-List@cmnwrld.com (CW-Mystara-List) Subject: [MYSTARA] - Deaths of Glantri does anyone have a full list of all the Deaths in Glantri durning the WotI? The fire ball attack - the commet. Gamemaster http://www.CWSpot.com/mystara *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:24:39 +0300 (EET DST) From: Markus Olavi Montola Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - *sigh* (was: OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor)) > > Dwarves can't be criminals. At least not on Mystara, as a Dwarf Theif > would > > be put to death, or some other nasty punishment. > Why so especially hard on dwarves? Maybe he was enslaved and never knew the > way DWARVES should behave. Also you don't have to do anything to be a > criminal, except be in the wrong place at the right time. > Sweeping generalisations like you wrote above are downright idiotic as they > are so easy to disprove. First I confess that I have not read the whole thread on this subject. I got bored some 50 mails ago and began hitting the delete with rapid fire. But; this debate is pointless. I don't know of you folks, but I at least have heard this every now and then for 10 years now. This originates probably to the RQ-D&D 'war', where some consider the other better than the other. There are many ways to play; if someone wants to play in a Mystara where no dwarven crime exits, let him do so, if someone wants to play a dwarf master-thief, let him do so. When it comes to playability or 'realism', we should keep in mind that the rules of a game should not be the laws of nature. A character can tell faerytales if the rules don't have the skill of tale-telling, a character should be able to learn Elven if he lives in Alfheim -- even if he has no skill slot for the language, as long as it a) sounds sensible and b) suits the story. Try, folks, to write a short story strictly by the D&D or AD&D rules. Even the good'ol'Dragonlance books had to forget the rules after some hundred pages. And it is disgusting how the rules show up every now and then in a book. To put it short. Rules either bend or break. If you don't agree to bend them, they will eventually crush the logic of your game and the story you are creating. Experience/Class/Race rules are one of the best examples of this. Did you know that to be a non-adventuring (*scholar*) mage of 9th level, you have to spend about 200.000 pieces of gold in pure research. Where does the money come from? Where does it go? And where is the INFLATION? Hence, in my Mystara, all the mages must be adventurers. Of course the death toll is horrible, for the most of them die before they reach the 2nd level, but such is the price of power. not. Let's change the subject, pleeaasee. - Markus ----------------------------------------------------------------- Every generalisation is a lie. ----------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:30:51 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard There are adventurers in Thyatis, too. I agree that adventurers canhave a great impact in specific events, but it's just plain absurd to assume that all adventurers would fight on the side of Stefan. Assuming that Eusebius plans the invasion well enough, it will come during civil war--if Eusebius reaches an agreement with both Traladaran and Thyatian nationalists, then a good portion of Karameikos' adventurers would fight against Stefan, not to mention all the Thyatian and mercenary adventurers eager to reclaim Traladara for the empire and stake out their own claim to territory. Senators have excellent security--if Alphatia couldn't destroy the empire through magical harassment, than the much-weaker Karameikos wouldn't stand a chance. An invasion would quickly bring eastern Karameikos under Thyatian control--the Vyalia will not fight on the side of Karameikos and may even support Thyatis, and Kelvin and Penhaligon would be among the first dominions to turn against Stefan. At that point, it would be nearly impossible for adventurers to sneak from Mirros or Threshold to Thyatis without magic, and, as I mentioned earlier, Thyatis survived Alphatia for 1000 years, so karameikos will be no challenge at all. Furthermore, Karameikos is currently increasing it's maritime and trading power. If Minrothad can be convinced that Karameikos presents a significant rival, Thyatis could certainly ally with them for an assault, guaranteeing that Minrothad fleets would provide nearly unbreakable supply lines. >There probably will not be a westward expansion for one simple reason, >ADVENTURERS. >Thyatian army steamrollers into Karameikos = Thyatian senators expiring in >their villas. Then said villas burning to the ground. >How can you fight a war against an enemy without leadership or supplies. The >ratio would probably be about one party of median level adventurers >(9th-15th depending on magic items) per Imperial cohort. >Obviously it's almost impossible to kill the Emperor, but some judicious >weeding of the lower ranks will do the job just as well. Butcher the >officers messily and see how soon they are replaced ,and with what calibre >of men. Use those fireballs where they'll do the most good, destroy their >supplies (preferably in full view of the enemy) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:54:52 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues 1) Does anyone have the Weapon Mastery stats for Rapiers as printed in Darokin Gaz? Was this published anywhere else? 2) In CoM, a couple references are made to the savage coast having a "Guardiano influence." Who/Where are the Guardianos? Thanks *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:44:27 -0500 From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:54:52 EDT BoBoII@aol.com writes: > 1) Does anyone have the Weapon Mastery stats for Rapiers as printed > in > Darokin Gaz? Was this published anywhere else? No idea. > 2) In CoM, a couple references are made to the savage coast having a > > "Guardiano influence." Who/Where are the Guardianos? The Guardianos are the people of the Savage Baronies, IIRC. Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:46:32 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues >> 2) In CoM, a couple references are made to the savage coast having a >> >> "Guardiano influence." Who/Where are the Guardianos? > >The Guardianos are the people of the Savage Baronies, IIRC. Yes, "Guardiano" is the collective term for the people who have split into the Ispan and Espan groups. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara >I think you'd better devise new types of demons (lesser demons) if you >really want to use spells to summon them, because Immortal ones are too >damn powerful for any campaign but a high level one. I haven't really been following this thread on demons in Mystara, so forgive me if my question has already been brought up in the thread. Aren't demons in Mystara simply just Immortals of Entropy that use the demonic form/body? If that is the case, and I believe it is, then yeah...Immortal ones are too damn powerful vs. a mortal party, considering they are...well, Immortals! Of course, a very high level party should fair reasonably well in detering the Immortal, perhaps winning the battle but not the war, so to speak. If anything, the party is just an amusing distraction to the Immortal. The demonic form is probably one of Entropy's loopholes in the "no-interference on the Prime" rule; helps disguise them in to the mortal setting as mythic creatures of evil, I guess. Just to note, I've only played pre-WOTI D&D and really don't know how things have changed in the way of Immortal interference on the Prime or Entropic Immortal forms, but this is what I can remember of things before WOTI anyways. Slainte! Brad - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brad McMillan/Brude Mac a'Mhaoilein "Armchair" Celtic Archae-Anthropologist & Historian Goderich, Ontario, Canada Email: bmcmillan@odyssey.on.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:33:43 +0100 From: Flossy Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - *sigh* (was: OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizardsand armor)) Here here, Mystras a great setting, but who cares about the rules, each to thier own (I use Role Master as it happens). Doesn't stop me running games set in Mysta Flossy Markus Olavi Montola wrote: > > > Dwarves can't be criminals. At least not on Mystara, as a Dwarf Theif > > would > > > be put to death, or some other nasty punishment. > > Why so especially hard on dwarves? Maybe he was enslaved and never knew the > > way DWARVES should behave. Also you don't have to do anything to be a > > criminal, except be in the wrong place at the right time. > > Sweeping generalisations like you wrote above are downright idiotic as they > > are so easy to disprove. > > First I confess that I have not read the whole thread on this subject. I > got bored some 50 mails ago and began hitting the delete with rapid fire. > > But; this debate is pointless. I don't know of you folks, but I at least > have heard this every now and then for 10 years now. This originates > probably to the RQ-D&D 'war', where some consider the other better than > the other. There are many ways to play; if someone wants to play in a > Mystara where no dwarven crime exits, let him do so, if someone wants to > play a dwarf master-thief, let him do so. > > When it comes to playability or 'realism', we should keep in mind that > the rules of a game should not be the laws of nature. A character can > tell faerytales if the rules don't have the skill of tale-telling, a > character should be able to learn Elven if he lives in Alfheim -- even if > he has no skill slot for the language, as long as it a) sounds sensible > and b) suits the story. > > Try, folks, to write a short story strictly by the D&D or AD&D rules. > Even the good'ol'Dragonlance books had to forget the rules after some > hundred pages. And it is disgusting how the rules show up every now and > then in a book. > > To put it short. Rules either bend or break. If you don't agree to bend > them, they will eventually crush the logic of your game and the story you > are creating. Experience/Class/Race rules are one of the best examples of > this. Did you know that to be a non-adventuring (*scholar*) mage of 9th > level, you have to spend about 200.000 pieces of gold in pure research. > Where does the money come from? Where does it go? And where is the > INFLATION? > > Hence, in my Mystara, all the mages must be adventurers. Of course the > death toll is horrible, for the most of them die before they reach the > 2nd level, but such is the price of power. > > not. > > Let's change the subject, pleeaasee. > > - Markus > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Every generalisation is a lie. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:47:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - WOTI's Debriefing Having never played in, or read anything from WOTI's, I am not familiar with what happened to Mystara during and after this event. I was wondering, could someone please bring me up to speed on what transpired in WOTI? The only beef that I've had against it thus far has been the restructuring of the Immortal hierarchy, which makes completely no sense to me at all, but I don't mind what I've seen in the way of mortal societies developing...and that is to say, I haven't seen much; I really don't know what happened. So if someone could briefly explain to me the events in WOTI's, I would greatly appreciate it! If you are replying, you can Email me directly, or share with the list, whichever you prefer! :) Slainte! Brad - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brad McMillan/Brude Mac a'Mhaoilein "Armchair" Celtic Archae-Anthropologist & Historian Goderich, Ontario, Canada Email: bmcmillan@odyssey.on.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:36:54 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - WOTI's Debriefing Well, I'm not sure that I'll be terribly brief, but that's 'cause WotI had such a massive impact on the world. BTW--this is chock full of spoilers, so don't read it if you ever plan to go through WotI as a player and want to be surprised. Basically, WotI begins heating up some time around the turn of the Millennium, when a big argument erupts in Pandius. Ixion is demanding that Rad stop his investigations into the Radiance. Ixion, as reigning hierarch of the sphere of energy, expects Rad to stop because he is draining magic from the world of Mystara through his investigations. Rad refuses, and it is taken before a council of hierarchs. Ilsundal and Terra vote in favor of Ixion, Khoronus and Korotiku vote in favor of Rad, and Hel abstains in an effort to cause further discord. Terra, as head of the council, casts the tie-breaking vote, and Rad refuses to accept the decision. Ixion prepares to destroy Rad there in Pandius, but Ka, Rafiel, and Rathanos come to Rad's defense. Since no solution is possible in Pandius, the argument is fought on the world below. Soon the lines are drawn with Ixion, Valerius, Alphatia, and Ilsundal one one side, opposed by Rad, Ka, Rathanos, Rafiel, and Vanya on the other. A secret group of entropics forms with the goal of protracting the fighting as long as possible--this group includes Hel, Alphaks, Atzanteotl, and perhaps others about whom I'm forgetting. Within a few years, Glantrians set fire to the imperial airfleet at Eagret in a botched rescue mission, and Eriadna declares war on Glantri. Glantri reciprocates, and the Heldannic Knights and Thyatis join Glantri in declaring war on Alphatia. Alphatia decides to have occasional mages teleport to Glantri and conjure monsters and such just to harrass to the Glantrians, and Thyatian and Alphatian troops dig in for a long fight on the Isle of Dawn. Things don't go well for the Thyatians at first--Valerias has spread a great deal of corruption among the legions--and the Alphatians slowly advance across the Isle of Dawn. Stefan Karameikos negotiated a treaty with Alphatia and renounced all ties to Thyatis, declaring himself King of Karameikos and renaming Specularum as Mirros. In the meantime, Atzanteotl and Loki strike an unholy deal, giving Atzanteotl use of the Hulean forces for an invasion finst of Sind, then of Darokin in order to position entropic forces to attack anywhere in the known world. Around the same time, the Canolbarth Forest begins to twist and decay, eventually turning into a hideous parody of its former self. Shadow Elves boil out of the ground and drive the Alfheimers out--they flee to Karameikos and Wendar. Hule, after quickly securing Sind, attacks Darokin and captures Akesoli and Akorros. Troops dig in in the hills between Lake Amsorak and Darokin City, and the Darokinians are eventually reinforced by Karameikan and Halfling troops, driving the Huleans back into Sind. Soon after, a huge meteor smashes into the Silver Sierras near the Darokin/Glantri border, demolishing Blackhill and Caurenze. The Heldannic Knights focus more on fighting Ethengar than Alphatia, and the Alphatians continue their slow march around the Isle of Dawn. A plague breaks out in Ethengar, quickly spreading into Heldann, Wendar, and Glantri. It is at this point that Glantri lifts its ban on clerics. Soon, the Alphatians make an end-run around the remaining Thyatians on the Isle of Dawn, landing troops in ylaruam to march into Thyatis. Thincol finally surrenders, earning the hatred of Vanya (who curses him--he'll die soon). Rad, growing deperate, uses a weapon that he's managed to fashion out of the Radiance: it causes a massive storm that completely demolishes Sundsvall, killing Eriadna, and all non-Immortal magic ceases to function for one week. Zandor siezes the Imperial throne and refuses to have Eriadna raised, the war continues, and (just how depends on the actions of PCs) the Doomsday Weapon is again activated. This time, the Alphatian continent completely breaks up and sinks beneath the ocean--only mountains and hills remain above water. Rad dissappears into the Nucleus of the Spheres, an Old One scolds Ixion, and the remaining immortals make up. Hel and her entropic buddies lose face, making Thanatos the reigning hierarch of Entropy. In the meantime, many immortals busily rebuild Alphatia as a floating continent in the Hollow World, raising Eriadna to serve as Empress. In the time since, many interesting things have happened. As of 1013, the last year for which TSR published anything, Zandor had been removed as emperor of the remaining Alphatian empire, which includes Aquas, Floating Ar, the Yanniveys, Esterhold (after some serious revolutions), and Bellissaria. Ochalea and the Pearl Islands are independent; Thyatis and Minrothad have siezed the ruined islands of Aeria, Ne'er-do-well, Aegos, and Alchemos, as well as most of the northern Isle of Dawn (Thothia's ancient magics protected it and regained Ekto IIRC). The Heldannic Knights have conquered Landfall in Norwold. Glantri has gained quite a few new principalities since AC1000, including ones ruled by a dragon, a werewolf or two, and a kobold. Erewan has shrunk to a single heavily fortified city, as it incurs continued harassment from humanoids and the Belcadiz. Thincol's dead, replaced by his son Eusebius. The Shadow Elves have secured the Canolbarth and the sacred city of Aengmor (Oenkmar), and they are currently engaged in halting peace talks with the displaced Alfheimers living in Karameikos and Wendar. These are all the earth-shattering differences since AC1000 (or at least all that I can think of), but both WotI and the Poor Wizard's Almanacs have far more details and are well-worth picking up. patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:06:58 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Hey people. A few days ago I asked the list if anyone will be interested in a chat room devoted to Mystara. Now I don't know much about computers and the internet, but I know some of you do. My questions (to whomever whants to answer) are: 1. Can a website devoted to Mystara contaign a chat room? 2. If so does it reqire much work and/or money from the site's owner? 3. Can we register a chat room in some net server and maintain it all the time (like undernet, dalnet...)? 4. If we form such a chat room, will you be using it? Hope for responses and explanations- Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "and all the while as vampires feed- I bleed..." /the Pixies *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:34 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: [MYSTARA] - update of the site hello fellow mystara maniacs. just a note to inform you that i have added the names and boundaries on 3 of my last maps: Alphatia. Bellissaria east. Bellissaria west. I hope you would find them more attractive and easy to use. I would update some other tomorow. thib - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:11:44 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) > Would you allow Highforge Dwarves, Savage Coast Dwarves, or outcast > Rockhome Dwarves to be thieves? I allow them but theyd serve another purpose of just thiefs like a lock smith or something but characters typically think of thiefs as quick agile figures hiding in the shadows and dwarves just don't seem to fit that image well Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:49:47 -0700 From: Eleanor Williams Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go A Chat Room? Yahoo and Delphi both have a place that would work. I have helped set one up in Yahoo, and it's ridiculously simple. About the only thing you have to decide is if this is a public or private club. Participate in Delphi one, but don't know how to set up as it appears to be more complicated. I would go there. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:10:10 EDT From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) In a message dated 9/12/99 3:27:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Scoooman@aol.com writes: << ahem, if you were in any way referring to me as a common brigand, or to any followers of the great Mealiden Starwatcher, then I'll be contacting a mercenary up north to come and pay you a visit . . . but if not, then no hard feelings. being that i have seen some of these so called, "refugees" from Alfheim, i completely understand your statement, and unfortunately, i have seen many a dwarf turned towards a life of crime, to a certain extent. >> No personal slight intended towards you directly, just expressing an opinion from direct experience. Unfortunately, after assisting a group of elves from the forests above I was forced to turn them away from their intended destination; a dwarven village at the edge of the Cruth Mountains they planned on "inhabiting" after removing the dwarves. As for your friend there, do not waste your time. As hard as it is for an elf to find another, it is impossible to find the Shadow of one that wishes not to be found. In my 640 years, I've seen that even the most noble of the noble can be reduced to a life unthought of by those that have narrow views of their kind. Arminath Wynter - Old Man of the North *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Howdy! Been racking my brains of late for some new and nifty stuff to inject into my game and of course one thing led to another and here you are! Four...entries, I'll call 'em for lack of a better idea. You'll see. Enjoy. - --Frobozz-- Oil of the Forge This strange, silvery oil comes in very small vessels. Only one "dose" is contained in any one vessel. It can be imbibed, but with lethal consequences. When spread over a limb (humanoid or other being of normal or above intelligence) and concentrated upon, the limb turns as if to metal in a forge; not hot, but malleable with a hammer for a limited time. The limb can then be beaten into simple shapes, such as a blade or hook, with little or no experience in blacksmithing on the part of the user (it IS magic, after all). Whatever is produced is treated as a +1 weapon (if weapon it be) due to the balance and magical crafting of the item, and the fact that the user is very linked to the item and cannot be disarmed. Note that this +1 is not of the sort that allows undead to be struck, but rather reflects the bonus of using a limb as a weapon. The magic lasts for 2d4 DAYS, so the user had best be prepared for dressing, eating and all the other things you take that limb for granted with. Also note that once set, the limb cannot be changed for the duration of the potion except by using another potion. Also, any damage incurred by the limb as a weapon will affect the limb when it returns to normal: dents will be bruises, nicks will be cuts, etc. So a botched attack roll that results in a broken weapon would likely remove a hand! Lantern of the Gatekeeper It has been rumored for centuries that other planes of existence house godlike beings, armed with abilities beyond mortal (and some Immortal) ken. One of these places is the Realm of Chaos. It has no other name -- or perhaps it has infinite others -- and has no boundary or any other nameable features...save one. A cruel joke, indeed, the only fixed point in the Realm is the Gate. The Gate has no real purpose whatsoever; the Realm is easily reached at any "point" and any point visited quickly becomes something else. It was placed there for two reasons. First, to torment any lost in the Realm with but a single landmark that means nothing, and almost looks like a way out. And secondly, to torment the soul who is fettered to it: the Gatekeeper. This poor soul, whose name is not recorded, was fettered to the unchanging Gate and given the duty of assisting "newcomers" in finding their way around...which, of course, he cannot do. To keep him somewhat sane enough to enjoy their joke, the denizens of the Realm gave him the Lantern. A potent relic, it appears to be a shining platinum hurricane lantern with a ball of light inside (equivalent to a Continual Light spell). Three times per week, the Lantern allows the user to Control Weather (another joke, since there is no real weather in the Realm and what there is can certainly not be controlled for more than an instant). It also generates a strange *Protection From Chaos (see below) field in a 10' radius (not counting the curse that fetters the Gatekeeper to the Gate). It also confers the ability to *Teleport with Limitation (see below), and the Lantern itself houses a Lawful Neutral personality named Shrembrite which lives in the ball of light. Some years back, a priest of Chaos decided to relieve the Gatekeeper of his item. Taking the Lantern back to the Material plane, he discovered his bauble also had a nasty side-effect: it brought the *Curse of Chaos (see below, again) with it. The lantern was lost when the priest finally dissolved, and none know where it is. Lawful church leaders despise the item for the Curse it brought, but realize that it would be a powerful aid were they to ever attempt a storming of the Realm of Chaos. The Chaos dwellers, being the capricious beings they are, have no care that the item is gone. However the Gatekeeper would like his friend back. ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go If Mystara Chat Room existed, I'd certainly check it out. Other than that, I don't have much to add, since I'm unfortunately not that familiar with tech stuff. One question though, how would a private room functionally differ from a public room? Also, if it were "private", what would be the best system for having people "join"? One idea (again, I'm not real familiar with how any of this would work), would be to have the method for "joining" included in the version of the MML FAQ that's sent to each new subscriber to the list (but not included in the version that's posted publicly at the Adminstrator's website). The reasoning behind this system would be that, if you're interested enough in Mystara to want to chat about it, then you should join the MML anyway. Another note, since the MCR would be even more ephemeral than the MMB, any substantive ideas that were hashed out in the MCR would hopefully be later presented in the MMB or MML so that Shawn could have a chance to archive them. Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:56:36 -0700 From: Eleanor Williams Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go In Yahoo, you go in and set up a club. You make it public or private If it's public, anyone can get there, post, whatever The founder can NEVER be deleted from the club. If you add founders, neither can they. Members can be deleted by founders. If it's private, they have to get an invitation to join from a member. You can post permanent things in the club, but it has an online chat room included. Does this help? Shane Henry wrote: > If Mystara Chat Room existed, I'd certainly check it out. Other than > that, I don't have much to add, since I'm unfortunately not that > familiar with tech stuff. One question though, how would a private room > functionally differ from a public room? Also, if it were "private", > what would be the best system for having people "join"? One idea > (again, I'm not real familiar with how any of this would work), would > be to have the method for "joining" included in the version of the MML > FAQ that's sent to each new subscriber to the list (but not included in > the version that's posted publicly at the Adminstrator's website). The > reasoning behind this system would be that, if you're interested enough > in Mystara to want to chat about it, then you should join the MML > anyway. Another note, since the MCR would be even more ephemeral than > the MMB, any substantive ideas that were hashed out in the MCR would > hopefully be later presented in the MMB or MML so that Shawn could have > a chance to archive them. > > Shane > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #387 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, September 13 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 388 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] [none] Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] RE: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:02:49 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Greetings. Recently in my brother's Greyhawk campaign, he began enforcing the material components rule. This greatly distressed our party mage, whom disliked the fact he had another thing he had to keep track of. (He spent several minutes arguing over the cost of colored sand at 1gp per pinch. I'll leave you to judge on that one, consider he had about 2,000 gold in reserve.) The most abhorrent thing to him, however, was that the Armor spell, certainly a handy and useful spell for the low level mage, required a piece of blessed leather to cast, valued initially at 50g, but not so easily buyable as that. It occured to me, though, that the Glantrian mages would, as a result of this rule, be very hard put indeed to cast the Armor spell, a very common wizard spell if there ever was one! (In AD&D, of course.) Obviously in the recent years, with the ban on priests lifted, the materials are easier to obtain, but I don't see Glantrian mages wanting to beg and grovel to a priest for a lousy piece of blessed leather. And if you're playing pre-WotI, then there's no way at all. (And as for the priest, I don't see any who'd want to do it for a Glantrian mage. Of any ethos or immortal. "Oh, so you persecute my profession for centuries, and NOW you want something blessed? Yeah, right.") Obviously, there's a few solutions to the problem, if you're running an AD&D game. (OD&D gamers have nothing to worry about, since there are no material components in OD&D. The Shield spell in OD&D is superior to Armor and lacks the detriments that the AD&D version of Shield has, so there is little reason to create the Armor spell in OD&D.): 1) Glantrian mages buy the materials on the black market, and have them smuggled in. This would have the effect of greatly raising the price of the material. Not to mention the difficulty in locating a priest who would willingly provide such a service to a Glantrian. (Unwillingly is doubtful, I readily doubt that any Immortal would allow a follower to be forced to channel magic for ends that may violate their ethos. Divine magic is subject to DM whim a lot more than Arcane.) 2) Glantrian mages have a substitute spell that performs a similar function that doesn't require such a difficult material component to obtain. In the issue of balance, I would myself make sure that this substitute is inferior to Armor, so as to preserve it for non-Glantrian wizards, who then gain an edge over the normally superior Glantrian mage. 3) Armor doesn't exist in Mystara. While certainly possible, this sort of takes the fun out of a potentially interesting situation. Any other thoughts on the subject? Adamantyr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:14:39 +0200 From: "=?Default?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri The rules do not state what kind of cleric is making the blessing, so I picture Glantrian mages, quite pragmatic in their attitude, buying blessed leather from Broken Lands shamans. Humanoids would not be stingy if given proper payment or perhaps coaction. Given that humanoids are prone to internal fighting, a tribe could be offered assistance by Machiavelian Glantrians in exchange of "some luck charms" made by your witch doctor".... Andrés *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:08:15 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?=" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go > > 1. Can a website devoted to Mystara contaign a chat room? There are a few companies which sponsor FREE chat rooms which can be promptly put into your website. > 2. If so does it reqire much work and/or money from the site's owner? As I said, thre are a couple free ones (I do not remember the URLs); I think that, once you have made the link as the company's page indicates, there is no work to maintain, unless you want to MONITOR, but we MystaraMLs are quite civilized, so I think this should not be very necessary. > 3. Can we register a chat room in some net server and maintain it all the time (like undernet, dalnet...)? I do not know; I think that there is not necessary; as long as the web page in which the chat room resides is operational, anybody may enter at amy time. > 4. If we form such a chat room, will you be using it? This has been one of my oldest desires since I started using the Internet. Besides chat on Mystara topics, online games could be organized among MMListers and played. I am quite unable to organize a group, so I long my DM and especially my player days!!!! > I will try to search for the chatroom service URLs. Andrés *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:13:53 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri >required a piece of blessed leather to cast, valued initially at 50g, >but not so easily buyable as that. Well, it depends somewhat on whether the piece of leather is used up in the casting. If not, then it wouldn't cause too much trouble, since wizards need only find a single piece of blessed leather to cast the spell forever. If it is used up in the casting, perhaps the Shepherds of Rad could have devised a way to create blessed leather. If not, then I'd say that it's definitely not in the standard curriculum at the Great School. Is Armor a first-edition or second-edition AD&D spell? I seem to remember someone saying that it's 1st, in which case it's never "officially" been placed in Mystara. In such a case, perhaps there are many slight variants on the spell, and ones that necessitate blessed leather are very uncommon in Glantri. Then again, perhaps in Greyhawk (and I'm just making it up at this point, I know nothing of Greyhawk) any piece of leather will do, and this is just a long-standing custom which maintains magic-users dependence on the Church, and no one thinks to try the spell with a plain piece of leather. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:21:57 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Hey, these look good--I especially like the gate >Oil of the Forge Why can someone without a blacksmithing skill shape it? Can the user himself/herself forge his/her own arm? It doesn't seem like it would be too burdensome to require either a blacksmithing check or making the user hire a blacksmith, and it doesn't upset the balance put in place when a character chooses whether or not to take the blacksmithing skill. Perhaps unskilled use or a failed role means that the arm functions only as a club +1, rather than whatever weapon was being attempted. Maybe it's just me, but I like to make the choices players make in picking skills affect their characters further on in life. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:26:52 -0400 From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > Obviously, there's a few solutions to the problem, if you're running > an > AD&D game. (OD&D gamers have nothing to worry about, since there are > no > material components in OD&D. The Shield spell in OD&D is superior to > Armor and lacks the detriments that the AD&D version of Shield has, > so > there is little reason to create the Armor spell in OD&D.): > > 1) Glantrian mages buy the materials on the black market, and have > them > smuggled in. This would have the effect of greatly raising the price > of > the material. Not to mention the difficulty in locating a priest who > would willingly provide such a service to a Glantrian. (Unwillingly > is > doubtful, I readily doubt that any Immortal would allow a follower > to be > forced to channel magic for ends that may violate their ethos. > Divine > magic is subject to DM whim a lot more than Arcane.) > This is what I see happening. - -- Darokinian thieves' guild sees profit potential. - -- Thieves' guild makes contact with local magic-users (probably not difficult - I would assume that a large black market exists for more questionable spell components) and asks to buy blessed leather from them. - -- Magic users go to their usual sources (local clerics) and ask for more blessed leather. - -- Clerics make more blessed leather. They do this because they see nothing wrong with it, ethically. They don't know it's true destination, and this is Darokin, after all. They're making some cash. They're happy. - -- Magic users pay the listed 50gp for the blessed leather. - -- Thieves' Guild buys (or steals, if they're good and have brass balls) blessed leather for, say 75-80gp. Magic-users now have extra money for doing nothing illegal and not really going out of their way ... they're probably already getting it for their own personal use, just upping their "usual order". They're happy. - -- Thieves' Guild carts leather up to Glantri and sells it for 100-150gp a pop. They make money. They're happy, and have done nothing illegal. - -- Glantri wizards have blessed leather for armor spells, and they're happy. They've done nothing illegal. Everybody's happy, as long as clerics don't realize where the leather is going. And they very well may not, since it changes hands three times after it leaves their hands, gets lumped together with other pieces of blessed leather, and then broken up in Glantri. To further complicate things, I'm sure a guild in Glantri would come up with the idea of buying it in bulk and distributing it locally, which may increase the price, but would provide a central location for the Darokinians to dump their product, and Glantrians to pick it up, without the two ever having to make contact with each other. That's just my thoughts, in rough form. If anyone has any questions or thoughts, let me know. John Hofmann ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:40:23 +1000 (EST) From: Shawn Stanley Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go there is such a club for Mystara already on Yahoo. shawn On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Eleanor Williams wrote: > In Yahoo, you go in and set up a club. > You make it public or private > If it's public, anyone can get there, post, whatever > The founder can NEVER be deleted from the club. If you add founders, neither > can they. > Members can be deleted by founders. > If it's private, they have to get an invitation to join from a member. > You can post permanent things in the club, but it has an online chat room > included. > Does this help? > > > Shane Henry wrote: > > > If Mystara Chat Room existed, I'd certainly check it out. Other than > > that, I don't have much to add, since I'm unfortunately not that > > familiar with tech stuff. One question though, how would a private room > > functionally differ from a public room? Also, if it were "private", > > what would be the best system for having people "join"? One idea > > (again, I'm not real familiar with how any of this would work), would > > be to have the method for "joining" included in the version of the MML > > FAQ that's sent to each new subscriber to the list (but not included in > > the version that's posted publicly at the Adminstrator's website). The > > reasoning behind this system would be that, if you're interested enough > > in Mystara to want to chat about it, then you should join the MML > > anyway. Another note, since the MCR would be even more ephemeral than > > the MMB, any substantive ideas that were hashed out in the MCR would > > hopefully be later presented in the MMB or MML so that Shawn could have > > a chance to archive them. > > > > Shane > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:06:07 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri >   Myself, I don't see that happening, because Divine magic, magic by priests, doesn't work that way. The immortal patron, or ethos if you prefer, would likely inform the priest of what was happening to the leather he was innocently blessing, or he would not be able to bless it at all, because the Immortal refused him the spell, and told him why. Secondly, Glantri has a horrific reputation. They slew priests on discovery. Priests may travel there promoting their ethos or healing the gravely injured, but I readily doubt they would help the Glantrians in ANY way. Rad is possibly the only Immortal patron that would allow this, but only Glantrians know much of him, and priests have been an underground movement for centuries. Plus, I think the case with Glantrian wizards would be that they would be disgusted with any spell that required divine magical components to cast, and would refuse it on that ground. They'd probably work up a spell to replace it that didn't require such a component if they sorely needed it. Adamantyr > This is what I see happening. > > -- Darokinian thieves' guild sees profit potential. > -- Thieves' guild makes contact with local magic-users (probably not > difficult - I would assume that a large black market exists for more > questionable spell components) and asks to buy blessed leather from them. > -- Magic users go to their usual sources (local clerics) and ask for more > blessed leather. > -- Clerics make more blessed leather.  They do this because they see > nothing wrong with it, ethically.  They don't know it's true destination, > and this is Darokin, after all.  They're making some cash.  They're > happy. > -- Magic users pay the listed 50gp for the blessed leather. > -- Thieves' Guild buys (or steals, if they're good and have brass balls) > blessed leather for, say 75-80gp.  Magic-users now have extra money for > doing nothing illegal and not really going out of their way ... they're > probably already getting it for their own personal use, just upping their > "usual order".  They're happy. > -- Thieves' Guild carts leather up to Glantri and sells it for 100-150gp > a pop.  They make money.  They're happy, and have done nothing illegal. > -- Glantri wizards have blessed leather for armor spells, and they're > happy.  They've done nothing illegal. > > Everybody's happy, as long as clerics don't realize where the leather is > going.  And they very well may not, since it changes hands three times > after it leaves their hands, gets lumped together with other pieces of > blessed leather, and then broken up in Glantri. > > To further complicate things, I'm sure a guild in Glantri would come up > with the idea of buying it in bulk and distributing it locally, which may > increase the price, but would provide a central location for the > Darokinians to dump their product, and Glantrians to pick it up, without > the two ever having to make contact with each other. > > That's just my thoughts, in rough form. > > If anyone has any questions or thoughts, let me know. > > John Hofmann > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:08:40 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > Well, it depends somewhat on whether the piece of leather is used up in the > casting. It is, yes. >  If not, then it wouldn't cause too much trouble, since wizards > need only find a single piece of blessed leather to cast the spell forever. > If it is used up in the casting, perhaps the Shepherds of Rad could have > devised a way to create blessed leather.  If not, then I'd say that it's > definitely not in the standard curriculum at the Great School. > Is Armor a first-edition or second-edition AD&D spell?  I seem to remember > someone saying that it's 1st, in which case it's never "officially" been > placed in Mystara. This is a rule I've not heard of. To my knowledge, all spells in the AD&D Player's Handbook 2nd Edition were approved for inclusion with the AD&D conversion. > on the spell, and ones that necessitate blessed leather are very uncommon in > Glantri.  Then again, perhaps in Greyhawk (and I'm just making it up at this > point, I know nothing of Greyhawk) any piece of leather will do, and this is > just a long-standing custom which maintains magic-users dependence on the > Church, and no one thinks to try the spell with a plain piece of leather. This isn't Greyhawk, but the core sourcebook. And it's actually a piece of finely cured leather. Not something that priests would bless without some questions. (It's not EXACTLY 3rd edition yet, so Greyhawk isn't default yet. The poor bastards...) Adamantyr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go - --- Shawn Stanley wrote: > there is such a club for Mystara already on Yahoo. > > shawn Umm...was it a secret or something? I feel left out :-( :-) Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:33:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Je ne sais Rob Subject: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] > > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:10:28 EDT > From: Kaviyd@aol.com > > In a message dated 1999-09-11 15:30:34 Eastern Daylight Time, BoBoII@aol.com > writes: > > > But would they manage to have the airspeed/airpower of the PA? The > > Alphatians and Heldanic reliance on flying ships have helped this > exploration > > immensely. Sure some KW folk can travel/explore, but think of how > powerful > > the PA ship and crew are. Many less "amped" groups would never make it > back. > > The HKnights would see to that. They want these stretches to be a 'Hule/HK > > backyard.' > > I suspect that the Thyatians would conduct most of their explorations by > mundane means -- sailing ships, overland caravans, and the like. It is a > slow way to go, but they have been at it for nearly a thousand years. > There should be no doubt that they are thorough and systematic in their > record keeping -- after all, the first three almanacs were said by Joshuan > to be Thyatian in style and authorship. And despite (or even because of) > Haldemar's criticism of that old Thyatian map, there is evidence that the > Thyatians made fewer mistakes in describing their discoveries than did > Haldemar (who admittedly covered great distances in a relatively short > time). The main source of error for Thyatian works would be failure to > keep up to date -- but you can be reasonably sure that any information > they compiled was accurate at some time in the past. Isn't much of the Savage Coast made up of old Thyatian colonies? They must have gotten there somehow. When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the world, he replied, ``To thicken the plot.'' "Computers are useless; they can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso "I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet, but I haven't got my orders decoded yet." William S. Burroughs Robert Fernandez "Plays Well With Others" rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu AIM: Gamaliel8 http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~rfernand ICQ: 37895987 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:36:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Je ne sais Rob Subject: [none] > > To put it short. Rules either bend or break. If you don't agree to bend > them, they will eventually crush the logic of your game and the story you > are creating. Experience/Class/Race rules are one of the best examples of > this. Did you know that to be a non-adventuring (*scholar*) mage of 9th > level, you have to spend about 200.000 pieces of gold in pure research. > Where does the money come from? Where does it go? And where is the > INFLATION? I would think this would be spread out over a long period of time instead of a lump sum - comparable to a college education. What would the Great School of Magic cost for the same thing? When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the world, he replied, ``To thicken the plot.'' "Computers are useless; they can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso "I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet, but I haven't got my orders decoded yet." William S. Burroughs Robert Fernandez "Plays Well With Others" rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu AIM: Gamaliel8 http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~rfernand ICQ: 37895987 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:45:51 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri <> OK. I didn't realize that Armor was in 2nd Edition. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:48:02 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] >Isn't much of the Savage Coast made up of old Thyatian colonies? They must >have gotten there somehow. Yeah, the Savage Baronies were established about a hundred years ago by Thyatian emingrants. But Thyatis certainly didnt control the entire region in between. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:59:48 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... > Funny how we all crave recognition for our deeds, isn't it? ;-)) > > Carl Q. (not a sly dig, BTW; I'm exactly the same...:-) > [MURPHY Jason] Bah!!...people like me have to grab recognition for the good stuff when we can :) Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:06:51 -0700 From: Eleanor Williams Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Please send URL and/or invitation Shane Henry wrote: > --- Shawn Stanley wrote: > > there is such a club for Mystara already on Yahoo. > > > > shawn > > Umm...was it a secret or something? I feel left out :-( > > :-) > > Shane > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:19:38 +1000 (EST) From: Shawn Stanley Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Shane Henry wrote: > --- Shawn Stanley wrote: > > there is such a club for Mystara already on Yahoo. > > > > shawn > > Umm...was it a secret or something? I feel left out :-( Hmm, as a matter of fact I do remember getting a private email about it, though since I'm not at home I can't go through old emails and reconstruct the past ... oh my god, it was secret - and I've mentioned it in a public forum, they'll be coming for me now ... I have to hurry and flee immediately, they're coming for me I know it AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shawn PS If you can't the site then I'll post it later, I should be able to make it home once before THEY start casing it out. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:24:45 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go In a message dated 1999-09-12 23:11:11 Eastern Daylight Time, shawn@leme.anu.edu.au writes: > there is such a club for Mystara already on Yahoo. Okay -- What is the procedure for accessing this club or finding out more about it? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:25:33 +1000 (EST) From: Shawn Stanley Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, IronWolf wrote: > > Well, it depends somewhat on whether the piece of leather is used up in the > > casting. > > It is, yes. just goes to show how sodding ridiculous the whole spell component thing is any way.* Reminds me of a DM once when he wanted spell components, he tried to get inventive and said that in the heat of the moment I pulled the wrong component from my pouch this causing the intended spell to fail catastrophically to the detriment of my magic user who was hurt badly. we players revolted and so the spell component thing was never brought up again. shawn * well it's not ridiculous if it's like the components Bruce outlined for spells like Transcend Lifeform (or whatever it's called) in GAZ3, that's just sensible. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:36:57 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 1999-09-12 23:46:22 Eastern Daylight Time, pds3@dana.ucc.nau.edu writes: > Yeah, the Savage Baronies were established about a hundred years ago by > Thyatian emingrants. But Thyatis certainly didnt control the entire region > in between. I think we are all agreed on that last point -- Thyatis has NO control of any areas west of the Known World. But knowing even a little bit about the region is another matter entirely -- you can be sure that Thyatis has made a point of collecting whatever information they can gather about all parts of Mystara that they do not directly control. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:40:53 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri No problem. It was actually introduced in the Unearthed Arcana, originally, in a slightly modified form. (I.E. Not as good) But it was fully encompassed in 2nd Edition. And damn useful too, which is why it's rather an amusing situation. Adamantyr Patrick Sullivan wrote: > < Player's Handbook 2nd Edition were approved for inclusion with the AD&D > conversion.>> > OK.  I didn't realize that Armor was in 2nd Edition. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #388 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, September 13 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 389 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri RE: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] RE: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - Wizards at large in The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] RE: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... RE: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Bac kyard] [MYSTARA] - Yahoo chat room (club) Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo chat room (club) Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go [MYSTARA] - yahoo game ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:47:28 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Shawn Stanley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, IronWolf wrote: > > > > Well, it depends somewhat on whether the piece of leather is used up in the > > > casting. > > > > It is, yes. > > just goes to show how sodding ridiculous the whole spell component thing > is any way.* I disagree with you here. Spell components attach a price tag to spells, and prevent mages from wholesale casting all the time, and it also gives a new outlet for thier funding. (I.E. something to spend money on.) Spells in AD&D like Stoneskin, which essentially render the mage indestructible, aren't so quickly cast when they need powdered diamond dust. > Reminds me of a DM once when he wanted spell components, he tried to > get inventive and said that in the heat of the moment I pulled the > wrong component from my pouch this causing the intended spell to fail > catastrophically to the detriment of my magic user who was hurt badly. > we players revolted and so the spell component thing was never brought > up again. Sounds like a house rule gone arwy. With AD&D anyway, and 1 minute combat rounds, I readily doubt a mage is going to be that hasty with components. (He didn't use 'Critical Fumbles for Mundane Tasks' too, did he?) > * well it's not ridiculous  if it's like the components Bruce outlined > for spells like Transcend Lifeform (or whatever it's called) in GAZ3, > that's just sensible. Well, the core rules for AD&D had a rather esoteric spell component system, that didn't make much sense. (I personally don't like grocery lists for enchantment that require 'the voice of a spider' or 'the courage of a halfing'. Something a bit more grounded in reality, thank you.) But it's always open for DM's to change spell components if he wants to. Obviously, in this case, all that's needed is a substitute spell component. (Myself, I'd prefer a spell component system that allows players a bit of creativity. Perhaps they don't have cured leather, but they grab out a dragonscale instead. A quick spellcraft check and I'd say they could cast it with that.) Adamantyr   *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:03:02 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... > In a message dated 10/09/99 12:44:15 GMT Daylight Time, > fanavarro@pacific.net.ph writes: > > > My Mistress, Princess Dolores, has heard of your genius... and would > like to > > have an audience with you... > > Take my advice: Don't Go. I hear she's a real Dragon when she's > annoyed...;-) > > Carl Q. > [MURPHY Jason] Hmmmm an audience with princess Dolores!!!. Well i guess if one raises ones profile, said profile is in danger of getting bitten off. Yup think i might give that lil chat a big miss. :) Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:08:20 -0400 From: "SteelAngel" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > * well it's not ridiculous if it's like the components Bruce outlined > for spells like Transcend Lifeform (or whatever it's called) in GAZ3, > that's just sensible. I agree - Spell components for every-day use battle spells is ridiculous. There is no need, as if things aren't confusing enough... Another thing, who carts around all this stuff? A 36th level mage with a 9-column doesn't have enough cn of space on him to carry around all those silly components, never mind keeping enough of them fresh as required in some spells. However, for ritual magic - i.e. the Thothian Enchantment, Magic Weapons, Cola Simulacrums, etc, components make much more sense. Ethan - Nothing like ingesting a live spider for the "Spider Crawl" spell.. yum yum... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:04:28 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 9/13/99 12:51:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kaviyd@aol.com writes: << I think we are all agreed on that last point -- Thyatis has NO control of any areas west of the Known World. But knowing even a little bit about the region is another matter entirely -- you can be sure that Thyatis has made a point of collecting whatever information they can gather about all parts of Mystara that they do not directly control. >> Sure, but think of how misinformed Europeans (and Ottomans, Chin, Shogunate Japan, etc.) were of the parts of the globe they knew existed. Magic, scrying, Commune, Contact Other Plane, etc., will all help get info, but how accurate do you think the average character's info will be. I would think that spending a skill slot on World History/Geography might be necessary. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:40:32 -0500 (CDT) From: CronoCloud@webtv.net (Ron Rogers) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Penhaligon and Kelvin siding with Thyatis? Impossible, the only disloyal dominion ruler in Karameikos was Von Hendriks and he's gone. I don't think there will be any civil war in Karameikos: From the PWA II AC1011 by Ann Dupuis Karameikos entry page 45 "There are many frictions between the Thyatians and Traladarans, but increasingly they are coming to think of themselves as a single nation. This is largely because of Stefan's policies and the enforcement of laws that ensure Traladaran equality." Or from GAZ 1 The Grand Duchy of Karameikos by Aaron Allston page 14. "When the Duke's own common sense was not enough to solve a problem, he used the brains and experience of those who could provide a solution. His personal charisma and reputation for fairness began to endear him to the populace, both Thyatian and Traladari. Today, Thyatians and Traladari in the duchy still view one another with some distrust, and each keeps to his own language in his home, but each will call himself Karameikan to a foreigner." You can also read about the Karameikan National Spirit on page 6 of Gaz 1. And I would not worry about what would happen Karameikos when Good King Stefan dies. Princess Adriana is her father's daughter. I also don't know why the Vyalia would automatically side with Thyatis. There are Vyalia on both sides of the border. Wouldn't the Karmeikan Vyalia side with Karameikos and the Thyatian Vyalia side with Thyatis. Glory in All Deeds CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) aka Sir Elcalear Dracul, Knight of the Kingdom of Karameikos, Graduate of the Great School of Magic (Glantron), Dracologist of the Fourth Circle (Gold), Licensed Necromorph Exterminator. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:25:11 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] I think something to remember as well is that Mystara, while modeled after the real world, isn't necessarily identical to it in terms of geopolitical make-up and advancement. In the real world, around the Renaissance period, every region of the world was inhabited by humans, to some degree. This had been the case since the paleolithic era, in fact. The fact that there is only humans also means that assimilation of cultures wasn't too difficult. By the Renaissance period, barbarians were by and large going out of style, as nations and cultures solidified and became difficult to remove. (Short of genocide.) In Mystara, we have the fact that the world, as is, is only about four thousand years old culturally, as the Rain of Fire vastly interrupted practically every life cycle in the world. Secondly, humans are not the only race to worry about. The Known World may look sort of puny on the world map, but the fact is that it's natural geographical barriers have protected it from all sorts of chaos. The rest of Brun wasn't so lucky. This is why the Known World is the primary cultural center on Mystara. Even then, it has been invaded by many hordes of humanoids, and this has always been a distant threat. The Great Waste prevents easy invasion from the west, and the mountain chains extend all the way up into Norwold, making the entire east coast of Brun somewhat geographically isolated. What am I getting at? The trick here is that for centuries, to Thyatis and the Known World, west of Darokin is barbarism and vast trackless wastes of monsters and terrifying unknowns. Explorers are even less likely to come back in Mystara than they were in the real world in an equivalent time period. In addition, the Savage Coast cultures prove that humans are not the only culture that can thrive. Unlike the real world, these cultures cannot be assimilated as easily. And in Mystara, every nation is under the threat that the humanoid hordes may swell again and lay waste to everything once more. (Except possibly Hule.) Thyatis is NOT likely to risk valuable armies and navies to conquer some way far off place that may or may not exist. (I'd also like to add here that it's always been my take that, with the exception of Alphatia and Glantri, none of the Mystara nations have institutionalized magic, except for Karameikos. This means that mages tend to either follow a traditional apprentice/master system of passing down knowledge, or form guilds in cities to protect their interests. No battle magic colleges in Thyatis, is what I'm getting at. Thyatis and the other nations tend to rely upon the more traditional rank and file, magic is something special and not easily or wantonly spent. I'm probably alone on this opinion, though.) Adamantyr "It's Specularum, damn it!" > Sure, but think of how misinformed Europeans (and Ottomans, Chin, Shogunate > Japan, etc.) were of the parts of the globe they knew existed.  Magic, > scrying, Commune, Contact Other Plane, etc., will all help get info, but how > accurate do you think the average character's info will be.  I would think > that spending a skill slot on World History/Geography might be necessary. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:38:47 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard > Penhaligon and Kelvin siding with Thyatis? Impossible, the only > disloyal dominion ruler in Karameikos was Von Hendriks and he's gone. I > don't think there will be any civil war in Karameikos: > > From the PWA II AC1011 by Ann Dupuis Karameikos entry page 45 > > "There are many frictions between the Thyatians and Traladarans, but > increasingly they are coming to think of themselves as a single nation. > This is largely because of Stefan's policies and the enforcement of laws > that ensure Traladaran equality." > > > Or from GAZ 1 The Grand Duchy of Karameikos by Aaron Allston page 14. > > "When the Duke's own common sense was not enough to solve a problem, he > used the brains and experience of those who could provide a solution. > His personal charisma and reputation for fairness began to endear him to > the populace, both Thyatian and Traladari. > Today, Thyatians and Traladari in the duchy still view one another > with some distrust, and each keeps to his own language in his home, but > each will call himself Karameikan to a foreigner." > > You can also read about the Karameikan National Spirit on page 6 of Gaz > 1. And I would not worry about what would happen Karameikos when Good > King Stefan dies. Princess Adriana is her father's daughter. > > I also don't know why the Vyalia would automatically side with Thyatis. > There are Vyalia on both sides of the border. Wouldn't the Karmeikan > Vyalia side with Karameikos and the Thyatian Vyalia side with Thyatis. > > [MURPHY Jason] With part of the clan on both sides of the border, i think the Vyalia would remain neutral on the matter and simply defend themselves and their clan holding. Particularly since i believe the Vyalia are fairly recusive anyway. As for the percieved Karameikan national unity, well i think we only need to look at real life to see how races can be turned against each other even after coexisting for centuries. It most certainly would not be difficult for some unscrupulous individual to stir up racial tensions between Thyatians and Traladarans no matter how well they are integrating at the moment. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:54:16 +0200 (METDST) From: Agathokles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, SteelAngel wrote: > > I'd say that there aren't any *known* Dwarves with full Thief abilities > > in *OD&D* Mystara. However, I see no reason why there shouldn't be > > Dwarven Thieves in AD&D Mystara as per the core rules permit. > > What the roolz say and what is culturally acceptable are two different > things. Rockhome Dwarves are not thieves. They just can't be. To a Dwarf, > stealing is a horrible act. That is so culturally inbred into Dwarvish > society that even if (for some reason) I used the AD&D system, and someone > wanted to play a dwarf-theif, they wouldn't. > > Since there is a "Thieves' Guild" in Dengar (though not really similar to the human ones), I don't see any reason why a dwarf thief cannot exist there. Of course, since the Rockhome Gaz is OD&D, Morur (the "guildmaster") is a standard dwarf, but in AD&D he would probably be a Thief or Fighter/Thief (he has, guessing from the Gaz description, good open locks, find/remove traps and even hide in shadows abilities). Another example of a dwarven thief, IIRC, is Miguel, assistant to Luis de Manzanas, in the Savage Coast book. Giampaolo Agosta *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:07:48 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard >Penhaligon and Kelvin siding with Thyatis? Impossible, the only >disloyal dominion ruler in Karameikos was Von Hendriks and he's gone. I >don't think there will be any civil war in Karameikos: Karameikos isn't nearly as unified as you seem to think. Stefan's pandering to the Traladaran peasantry has earned him the resentment of plenty of the Thyatian old guard, most notably Desmond Kelvin and his ally (according to B12) Arteris Penhaligon. Just as Stefan abandoned his homeland, claiming that doing so was the only hope of saving "Thyatian culture", Kelvin and Penhaligon will, when faced with a full-scale Thyatian invasion, side with Thyatis to preserve their own power. Kelvin in particular distrusts the King's capitulation to Traladarans, and the upheaval that will pervade the Church of Karameikos upon Jowett's death will be more than reason enough for him to side with Eusebius. There's still a great deal of resentment toward Karameikos within the Traladaran nobility--the idea of Karameikan solidarity is fragile at best. In the 1984 Olympics, everyone was bombarded with the many ethnic groups in Sarajevo who lived in harmony as one "Yugoslav" people. We all know what was happening ten years later. Just because there's an inceasing attitude of Karameikan "oneness" now, there's certainly a very real possibility that it will be gone in ten years. >1. And I would not worry about what would happen Karameikos when Good >King Stefan dies. Princess Adriana is her father's daughter. Not if the Queen gets her way. If Eusebius plays his cards carefully enough, he could "liberate" her from Stefan (she'd probably rather return to Thyatis anyway) and place Valen on the throne--the archducal throne, that is. >I also don't know why the Vyalia would automatically side with Thyatis. >There are Vyalia on both sides of the border. Wouldn't the Karmeikan >Vyalia side with Karameikos and the Thyatian Vyalia side with Thyatis. Stefan has never given the Vyalia their own dominion, whereas they have a well-established community of elves and forestors at Greenheight and Foreston, both loyal to Thyatis. AFAIK, there has never been any indication that any of the Vyalia are particularly loyal to Karameikos, and civil war within the clan is farfetched to say the least. I can understand their remaining neutral, but I certainly don't see the Vyalia fighting each other or for the Karameikans. Stefan's greatest weakness has always been his gullibility--he is no match for Eusebius in the cutthroat politics that will be increasingly rocking Karameikos if Eusebius decides it's in his interest to re-assimilate Traladara. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:30:12 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Well, my take is this. I don't particulary want Karameikos to be a civil-war/Inquisition/crappy place like Thyatis is. Kelvin is mostly bitter because Stefan's daughter turned him down, but things can always change and improve things. Stefan is getting old, and who takes power can change how things are done. His daughter or youngest son may not be so slow to do things as Stefan is, such as crack down on the Church after Jowett dies. As for Thyatis, I would surmise myself that Eusebius is likely more concerned at this time with Thothia, which has claimed a lot of the Alphatian territory and manpower that Thyatis gained. And if his spies are any good, he probably knows that the Thothian ruler is plotting to conquer the entire island. (Which would be, to Thyatis, not acceptable in the slightest.) Thyatian military power is still relatively weak, probably just enough to police what they have, but little more. Likely the next few years will be marked with Thyatis attempting to establish treaties with their former subservient neighbors, such as the Pearl Islands, Ochaela, and Karameikos, and expanding trade again. After a suitable time of build-up and cleaning up of the problems in Thyatis, then Eusebius can embark on conquest again. But likely his forces will concentrate on establishing a better foothold on the Isle of Dawn. (One could argue Thyatis may be more concerned with Hule, but I don't think so. That's what the Western Defense League is for. And that's why Eusebius isn't going to screw with it... yet.) Adamantyr "It's Specularum, damn it!" > Karameikos isn't nearly as unified as you seem to think.  Stefan's pandering > to the Traladaran peasantry has earned him the resentment of plenty of the > Thyatian old guard, most notably Desmond Kelvin and his ally (according to > B12) Arteris Penhaligon.  Just as Stefan abandoned his homeland, claiming > that doing so was the only hope of saving "Thyatian culture", Kelvin and > Penhaligon will, when faced with a full-scale Thyatian invasion, side with > Thyatis to preserve their own power.  Kelvin in particular distrusts the > King's capitulation to Traladarans, and the upheaval that will pervade the > Church of Karameikos upon Jowett's death will be more than reason enough for > him to side with Eusebius.  There's still a great deal of resentment toward > Karameikos within the Traladaran nobility--the idea of Karameikan solidarity > is fragile at best.  In the 1984 Olympics, everyone was bombarded with the > many ethnic groups in Sarajevo who lived in harmony as one "Yugoslav" > people.  We all know what was happening ten years later.  Just because > there's an inceasing attitude of Karameikan "oneness" now, there's certainly > a very real possibility that it will be gone in ten years. > > >1.  And I would not worry about what would happen Karameikos when Good > >King Stefan dies.  Princess Adriana is her father's daughter. > > Not if the Queen gets her way.  If Eusebius plays his cards carefully > enough, he could "liberate" her from Stefan (she'd probably rather return to > Thyatis anyway) and place Valen on the throne--the archducal throne, that > is. > > >I also don't know why the Vyalia would automatically side with Thyatis. > >There are Vyalia on both sides of the border.  Wouldn't the Karmeikan > >Vyalia side with Karameikos and the Thyatian Vyalia side with Thyatis. > Stefan has never given the Vyalia their own dominion, whereas they have a > well-established community of elves and forestors at Greenheight and > Foreston, both loyal to Thyatis.  AFAIK, there has never been any indication > that any of the Vyalia are particularly loyal to Karameikos, and civil war > within the clan is farfetched to say the least.  I can understand their > remaining neutral, but I certainly don't see the Vyalia fighting each other > or for the Karameikans. > > Stefan's greatest weakness has always been his gullibility--he is no match > for Eusebius in the cutthroat politics that will be increasingly rocking > Karameikos if Eusebius decides it's in his interest to re-assimilate > Traladara. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:56:19 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Anybody got the Darokin Gaz.? I know Rapier stats were in there. I think it was also reprinted in Dragon somewhere. Anyone . . . Bueller . . . Bueller . . .Bueller? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:45:15 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Wizards at large in The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 9/13/99 2:26:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ironwolf@ewa.net writes: << (I'd also like to add here that it's always been my take that, with the exception of Alphatia and Glantri, none of the Mystara nations have institutionalized magic, except for Karameikos. This means that mages tend to either follow a traditional apprentice/master system of passing down knowledge, or form guilds in cities to protect their interests. No battle magic colleges in Thyatis, is what I'm getting at. Thyatis and the other nations tend to rely upon the more traditional rank and file, magic is something special and not easily or wantonly spent. I'm probably alone on this opinion, though.) >> No, I'm more of the "crazy loner" wizard fan myself, which is what makes Glantri and Alphatia different. Organization, Institutionalization, and An Alphatian Affinity for Spellcasting is what alowed a small number of refugees to become one of the most powerful empires on the face of Brun. By extention of the Crazy Loner Theorem, I view Glantri more as an organization of a few wizards who otherwise be left alone, who have settled Together (with their personal retainers/serfs) rather than suffer the outrages of fealty to mundaners Alone. The fact that outsiders look at them as "Glantri" doesn't make them as homogonous as other countries. [I think that the individual flavor of the different pricipalities is what makes it such fun, and not your generic "fantasy kingdom." ] In the RC they point out that if a magic user sets up a tower (for research, enchanting, experimenting presumably) then most rulers and peasants will give them a wide berth. They know that these guys are dangerous to be around. It also makes allowances for them joining the political system as land owners, but I, personally, like the idea of the "classic" wizard advisors and would limit the Wizard-rulers to the above mentioned lands. It what makes Jaibul, Herath, Glantri. etc unique. Do I remember correctly that in the FRealms there are a large number of M-U rulers of various areas?? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:50:51 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... > > the answer is ... > > Now, THAT was fast! I'm quite astonished... > > (Are you a mathematican?) > > How many have found the solution for themselves? > > > Jamuga Khan > > > [MURPHY Jason] No i am most definitely not a Mathematician :) although i had to do a fair bit of math for my degree. The thing i really liked about the riddle you gave was that it wasnt math intensive at all. It is simply an exercise in lateral thinking. It is actually quiite a fun puzzle. That last clue would probably make most people want to deck the puzzle teller :) Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:53:31 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Bac kyard] > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Sullivan [SMTP:pds3@dana.ucc.nau.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 11:48 AM > To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com > Subject: Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was > Thyatis Backyard] > > >Isn't much of the Savage Coast made up of old Thyatian colonies? They > must > >have gotten there somehow. > Yeah, the Savage Baronies were established about a hundred years ago by > Thyatian emingrants. But Thyatis certainly didnt control the entire > region > in between. > > [MURPHY Jason] I seem to have read somewhere that many of the emmigrants to the Savage Coast were actually Traladaran. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:06:59 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo chat room (club) Just registered to the Yahoo clubs. Boy it is a mess in there. Found one dedicated to mystara. no one was in though. Ill try and see if I can make a new one for the MML. P.S the name Morphail was already taken! can you imagen? how rude! ill be known as Moprhail_o if anyone looks for me. Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "and all the while as vampires feed- I bleed..." /the Pixies *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo chat room (club) - --- ੬筠 wrote: > Just registered to the Yahoo clubs. > Boy it is a mess in there. Found one dedicated to > mystara. no one was in though. Ill try and see if I > can make a new one for the MML. Yeah, I think it's a good idea to start afresh. I wonder who's the founder of the mysterious "Mystara Club"? Anyway, we might as well have someone who's active on the list (such as yourself) as the founder of the "MML Club", instead of some unknown Mr. or Ms. X as is the case for the preexisting club. Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:18:49 +0100 From: Flossy Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Hi there, Anyone here ever tried Talk City, using that you can use IRC software to do the chatting. An example IRC piece of software is Pirch, which can be found at http://www.pirch.org/exes.html Setting up a room is easy as pie, when you say your going to a room, it comes into existance. Theres also plently of TCC's (admin ppl) to talk to on line if you need any help. I'd do this stuff myself, but I'm not on line oftern enough really :-( Just a few thoughts Flossy Andrés Piquer Otero wrote: > > > > 1. Can a website devoted to Mystara contaign a chat room? > > There are a few companies which sponsor FREE chat rooms which can be > promptly put into your website. > > > 2. If so does it reqire much work and/or money from the site's owner? > > As I said, thre are a couple free ones (I do not remember the URLs); I > think that, once you have made the link as the company's page indicates, > there is no work to maintain, unless you want to MONITOR, but we MystaraMLs > are quite civilized, so I think this should not be very necessary. > > > 3. Can we register a chat room in some net server and maintain it all the > time (like undernet, dalnet...)? > I do not know; I think that there is not necessary; as long as the web page > in which the chat room resides is operational, anybody may enter at amy > time. > > > 4. If we form such a chat room, will you be using it? > > This has been one of my oldest desires since I started using the Internet. > Besides chat on Mystara topics, online games could be organized among > MMListers and played. I am quite unable to organize a group, so I long my > DM and especially my player days!!!! > > > I will try to search for the chatroom service URLs. > > Andrés > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 06:46:21 -0700 From: Eleanor Williams Subject: [MYSTARA] - yahoo game I looked all over in the M's in Yahoo and found neither game. Please include a link in your next email. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #389 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, September 13 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 390 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard: Darokin Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard: Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard: Mages Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. [MYSTARA] - New items pt. 3 (still long) Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:13:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Hi, I searched Yahoo clubs for Mystara groups, and came up with four hits: >Club Mystara This one has nothing to do with Mystara at all; it's a place to discuss Vampire, etc. Go figure. >AD&D Mystara This is a PBeM. >MystaraWorlds This place is a discussion group for D&D/AD&D, but "not just Mystara." People were posting spells, but nothing Mystara-specific. >Travelers of Mystara Hit! This cub was started "anonymously" by someone for members of the MML to meet all together to discuss Mystara. SO it appears, Andres and others, that the place you want already exists, and has since May 4, 1999 (they even use the graphic from Stan's page)! (Who did it? Fess up!) I've already joined, and it's really easy, if you're already a member of yahoo (if not, you'll have to get a yahoo membername first). The URL is http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/travelersofmystara Let me know if there are problems with that URL, I'm pretty sure it's correct. See you there! Jenn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:58 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard: Darokin In a message dated 9/7/99 10:18:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anowack@juno.com writes: << I don't think Darokin would be quite so easy to conquer as you make it out. According the Gaz11, Darokin's population is fanatically loyal to their government. This would cause any number of problems. Also according to Gaz11, invading Darokin would lead to great economic troubles for the entire KW, as well as getting everyone mad at Thyatis. As to needing help to defend itself during WotI, you have to remember that this was a full-scale invasion by the Master, coming from a direction previously thought of as a friendly border, then followed by a meteor strike and a migration of practically every noid in the BL into Darokin. Even Thyatis would need some help in that situation. Sure Thyatis may be able to conquer Darokin if it puts its whole resources into it, but I doubt they would be able to hold onto it for very long,and I doubt it would be considered worthwhile to the Thyatians. >> Well....one thing is seperating "could" and "would" from such a scenario. Would they invade? Probably not given the circumstances of absorbing one of the Gaz nations. Gamewise circumstances would have to present themselves to make sucha an invasion happen. Could Thyatis beat Darokin in an invasion? IMO yes. Why? Admitedly the Thyatian and Darokin forces were scripted to balance out, with the other tag along WDL armies leveling things out to an even keel. Darokin's army looks good on paper. According to the PWA2 the Thyatians have more divisions with more troops at better Troops Class and better BRs. The exception are their respective elite divisions. So even if a battle were staged with all of Darokin's divisions against all of Thyatis's divisions, Thyatis would probably prevail. However such a battle would not come about as it would be unrealistic. More accurately, Thyatis would invade with a certain amount of divisions that it could spare from defending its own borders/interests. Likewise, the Darokinians could not commit all of its forces without exposing its flanks against the Huleans and BL Noids. As for Darokin being on the ropes...so to speak...well yes they were/are. However that is a further implication of the degree of its military. Remember that the Hulean invasion preceeded the meteor strike. And Darokin needed the aid of the future WDL to repel this assault after the Master conquered two or maybe three of the nation's cities. IMO this had Darokin at its military peak and unable to stop the Master. So to blame its military reverses on the meteor would be wrong. Personally I feel that the Darokin war machine is a paper tiger. One can look at the Darokin Gaz and see the roller coaster BR and Troop Classes of the preWrath armed forces. The Darokinians have had a less than aspiring military history. Their war with the Alfheimers was seen as a game...even a joke by the elves. In Wrath they lost Akesoli and Akorros and came close to losing Darokin City. The Master's forces were only driven back with the addition of Karameikan and Five Shire troops. Going by the Gaz or PWA 1 or 2, neither of these boast a sizable army. And I really do not see either send more than a quarter (a third at the most) of their forces to Darokin. Of course Darokin has avoided most battles thanks to the trade thing and the interdiction of the DDC. All they can really claim as military prowness is defending the northern forts from Noid incursions. Conversely, Thyatis has a long military tradition and has the national character to go to war to bring about expansions. As mentioned earlier, I think alot of this stems from the scripting of the WDL to counter Thyatis. Such scripting avoided the variations in the troop quality of the Darokin forces while tagging the Thyatian with it "Cohorts". IIRC from earlier discussions on this, these cohorts were originally found in one of the X series modules (which I do not own) to describe a Thyatian expeditionary type force. More realistic Thyatian formations can be seen in the DDA series module "Legions of Thyatis". *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:55:18 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 BoBoII@aol.com wrote: > > Anybody got the Darokin Gaz.? I know Rapier stats were in there. I think it > was also reprinted in Dragon somewhere. Anyone . . . Bueller . . . Bueller . > . .Bueller? Darokin gaz says to treat rapiers as longsword/normal sword. Bruce gave an alternate description of the rapier in a dragonmag, but i dont know which one... Håvard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:01:03 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard: Karameikos In a message dated 9/7/99 11:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CronoCloud@webtv.net writes: << I really don't think any Thyatian invasion of Karameikos is likely or acheivable. Although the Thyatians have a large and powerful army the Karameikans have a few advantages. 1. The Mighty Volaga River. As far as I know there are only a couple of bridges across it.>> Likewise the Karameikans would have to contend with the Vologa as well. For that matter the Karameikans would be in a similar situation in dealing with Karameikos's wild interior. After all most of the Kara. army would have been drawn from the urban areas where the bulk of the populace resides. And such troubles in mobilization was one of the reasons for the creation of the King's Road. <<2. Utter magical superiority. Around one third of the current Karameikan population are spell casters. Yes, they are almost all elves, but I think they would defend their eastern forest lands to the death. Especially the new immigrants from Alfheim. Plus this is not taking into account the Alphatian immigrants. I would not be surprised if the Karameikans didn't have a few skyships by now, built in secret. Probably with the old Elvenguard serving as marines aboard the ships.>> I disagree. First, Thyatis with its multimillion populace would be able to boast its own magical pool to draw upon. Not so speculative is the presence of the Mages of Sclaras (250; to be fair minus some for deaths due to the Ww/oM) and the Empire's clergy. I have to wonder about the willingness of Karameikos's engorged spellcasting populace. The Alfheim have already lost one "homeland" and have not become attuned (as per Complete Book of Elves) to their new one. Also following the truer mold of elves they aren't likely to gamble life and limb on the Karameikan humans. Likewise the Alphers are probably not as willing to put their necks out for the Karameikan "barbarians". As for skyships, their existance is speculative at best. They are expensive and Karameikos just cannot whip up a squadron without draining the budget. Even if they did have some, they propbably would be numerically inferior to deal with the Knights of the Air and the Retebius Air Fleet. <<3. The Karameikan Can Do attitude: The Karameikan citizenry probably trust and like their government more than the Thyatians do. In fact some of the Thyatian nobles probably trust King Stefan more than they do Eusebius. Any Thyatian invasion of the Kingdom should expect heavy resistance activity. If not outright guerilla war.>> Well the Traldaran and Thyatian Karameikans have a history of distrust. Likewise Stefan's rule has seen him constantly overlooking the underhanded tactics of the thyatian karameikans over the traldarans. Yet for some reason he is scripted as being loved. Also the "can do attitude" is a farce. The Traldar are Brun's whipping boys. They've pretty much been an occupied people since before Halav's time, advancing from the scraps tossed to them by the occupiers. And as with the previous Thyatian conquest you only have to take the coastal communities to conquer the nation. Sure Thyatiis would have to contend with Threshold this time, but therein comes the King's Road and its capability to pave the way for troops to march there to consolidate the only interior community sizable enough to need to be captured. Militarily Karameikos is inferior to Thyatis. Socially they are a diverse group normally at each other's throats. I really have to wonder what Karameikos will be like once Stefan departs Mystara. << 4. The WDL: Even if the Thyatians took Karameikos I doubt they could hold it against everything the rest of the WDL could send against them. This does not take into account any other nation that might be displeased at a Thyatian invastion of Karameikos. i.e. Ierendi, Minrothad, the remaining Alphatian outer world territories. >> The WDL is defensive and in a precarious state of unity. As with any coalition military force each are subject to the sway of their own national interests. Darokin is the heart and soul of the WDL military forces. Darokin would have to send troops to Karameikos (while securing its own borders), march them through the Karameikan wilderness, and engage the Thyatians. They'd probably arrive a week after the sacking of Mirros. Their effectiveness is described in another message. As for MG and IR, I'd say that Thyatis surely offers a more sizable market place for MG wares and for the source of tourists than Karameikos could dream of. Likewise neither sport the troop numbers to make a difference in any ground war. They could wreak a bit of havoc on the seas but Thyatis could conduct a campaign from the land. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:01:09 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard: Mages In a message dated 9/8/99 2:27:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamugaKhan@gmx.net writes: << Besides, I STILL (!) don't understand why all the high-level spellcasters of Thyatis did not fight against the Thothian plague. (I know, I know, we had this discussion before, but I simply don't understand it.) >> Simple...the 250 Thyatian archmages mages were suffering the same ill affects as the highly criticized Alphatian Grand Council. If you are going to gut Alphatia's mage pool you jave to do the same for the Thyatian. However with a multimillion populace Thyatis should be able to produce a sizable number of mages....and more importantly against undead....clerics. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Patrick Sullivan wrote: > Hey, these look good--I especially like the gate Thanks. I'll be posting the rest of the entry in just a bit. > >Oil of the Forge > Why can someone without a blacksmithing skill shape it? Because most characters don't have the skill. It would seem a pretty worthless magic item if they couldn't use it without a skill IMO. Can the user > himself/herself forge his/her own arm? That's what I had in mind. It doesn't seem like it would be too > burdensome to require either a blacksmithing check or making the user hire a > blacksmith, and it doesn't upset the balance put in place when a character > chooses whether or not to take the blacksmithing skill. Perhaps unskilled > use or a failed role means that the arm functions only as a club +1, rather > than whatever weapon was being attempted. Hadn't thought of getting a blacksmith to do it for you. I can see his face: You want me to WHAT? Beat your arm with my hammer? Are you nuts? Actually that's a very good idea. I was trying to make the item more accessible to other classes than fighters (for the blacksmithing skill), but that just might do the trick. > Maybe it's just me, but I like to make the choices players make in picking > skills affect their characters further on in life. Oh, I certainly agree. I just didn't think of what you suggested. Look for a revised entry coming to a computer near you soon! Thanks. - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:19:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Ron Rogers wrote: > You made some interesting points Havard. > But I still don't think Thyatis is going to invade Karameikos. For one, > the aid Karameikos gave Thyatis during the mummy rot plague certainly > helped out relations between Karameikos and Thyatis. And although > Karameikos is better developed than Traladara was as a Thyatian > province, I still don't think the Thyatians would think it was worth > conquering yet. I agree on that one. However, I think Thyatis might invade Karameikos if Stefan loses control, in the case a civil war for instance. Also, if Karameikos does anything more to alienate itself from Thyatis, invasion might be a good idea.. I think that an invasion might happen to prevent a strong alliance to form against Thyatis, such as the WDL. > There is one major thing I do disagee on. The WDL was founded to > counter Thyatis and Hulean imperialism. Back in the pre wrath days > Alphatia kept Thyatis in check, now the nations of Brun see a need to do > something on their own. What the WDL needs to do is invite more nations > in, especially Ierendi and Minrothad. Perhaps they could reorganize > their militaries in a common fashion, standardize weapons (declaring an > arrow shaft should be 5.56 mm in diameter), set up area commands, > preposition equipment and supplies. subsidize magical research, etc. Personally, I belive Mystaran diplomacy isn't advanced enough to form any strong alliances. In europe such alliances didnt form untill the end of the 19th Century and I think Mystara still should be in the renessance level. Haavard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:22:50 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. > Mwuuhahahahaha! Yes, there is.. I HAVE COMPILED IT! It's 42 pages, filled > with ALL skills found in the gaz, + others found in netbooks + others found > in AD&D sourcebooks.. ALL detailed and explained nicely and thoroughly, > with charts and tables of reference.. You can have it for free, sure.. only > problem is.. IT'S ENTIRELY WRITTEN IN ITALIAN!!... *sadic grin* > > Sorry guys, but I needed it for my players.. and I needed it in Italian ;) > > Oh No!!! thats a shame I was looking forward for one in English, sigh..... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:47:58 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > It occured to me, though, that the Glantrian mages would, as a result of > this rule, be very hard put indeed to cast the Armor spell, a very > common wizard spell if there ever was one! (In AD&D, of course.) > Obviously in the recent years, with the ban on priests lifted, the > materials are easier to obtain, but I don't see Glantrian mages wanting > to beg and grovel to a priest for a lousy piece of blessed leather. And > if you're playing pre-WotI, then there's no way at all. (And as for the > priest, I don't see any who'd want to do it for a Glantrian mage. Of any > ethos or immortal. "Oh, so you persecute my profession for centuries, > and NOW you want something blessed? Yeah, right.") If I remember correctly there not allowed to cast any spell or perform any functions other than healing ones (i.e. preaching there faith and or casting a continual light spell would get them punished for treason). So blessing something is probably a crime still, however a desperate lord might still purchase one > 1) Glantrian mages buy the materials on the black market, and have them > smuggled in. This would have the effect of greatly raising the price of > the material. Not to mention the difficulty in locating a priest who > would willingly provide such a service to a Glantrian. (Unwillingly is > doubtful, I readily doubt that any Immortal would allow a follower to be > forced to channel magic for ends that may violate their ethos. Divine > magic is subject to DM whim a lot more than Arcane.) It would be hard during war time when the whole Glantri Army requires blackmarketed leather, somebody bound to figure something out. > 2) Glantrian mages have a substitute spell that performs a similar > function that doesn't require such a difficult material component to > obtain. In the issue of balance, I would myself make sure that this > substitute is inferior to Armor, so as to preserve it for non-Glantrian > wizards, who then gain an edge over the normally superior Glantrian > mage. This is possible perhaps the cloaksteel spell released a few days ago would work. > Any other thoughts on the subject? A Shaman of Kol could bless it? Or perhaps wizard spell that resembles a blessing effect would work (school of Necromancing) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) For those following along, please add the following paragraph to the "Lantern of the Gatekeeper" entry: The Curse was able to be carried to the Material plane by the priest, not the Lantern itself. The priest's remembrance of the wording of the Gatekeeper's curse convinced him that something would happen to him for stealing the Lantern, and that overrode his knowledge of the Protection from chaos. He thought he had plague, but called it the Curse of Chaos because he thought that was what it was. (author's note: Gimme a break. I discovered a flaw and tried to fix it at two in the morning. Other ideas are VERY welcome.) Okay. That said, here are the other three things mentioned in the Lantern entry. A revised Oil of the forge will be coming as soon as I can manage (thanks patrick). - --Frobozz-- the Curse of Chaos A strange and fearsome thing, worthy of those who inflicted it upon the world. The Curse of Chaos is akin to a plague, but not quite. It began with the priest of Chaos who stole the Gatekeeper's Lantern. Within hours of returning to the Material realm, he began to feel strange. Firest the skin on his hands, feet, and face became very taut, almost to the point where he couldn't bend his joints. Then his mouth pulled back into a rictus-like grin, very similar to plauge victims. Then, begining with the extremities, he began to dissolve. Over the course of the next two weeks, his body dissolved colmpletely, like sand falling off a sculpture. No blood spurted. It was as if those parts just no longer felt attached to the whole and went their own way. At the end of two weeks, he completely dissolved, going out an insane man. During that time he did interact with others, spreding the "plague<" and giving it its name. As was said, the Curse is not a physical plague. It's a psychosomatic projection. Since people _believe_ it is a plague, it spreads like one: face-to-face. There is a 65% chance that a person who is in close contact with a person suffering from the Curse will develop it himself. There is only one cure: willpower. The Curse is psychosomatic, so anyone with the force of will to hold his body together and overcome his superstition can defeat the Curse. It requires a combination of 3 Wisdom and 2 Intelligence checks over the course of two weeks. Successful completion of the Wisdom checks represents the slowing of the dissolution process. Completion of the Intelligence checks shows the beginning of regrowth. Failure at _any point_ mean the symptoms return full force and a save vs. Death Magic must be made or the Curse comes back at double force. The Curse only affects sentient beings of normal and above Intelligence. Well, it's not all going to fit on this message. So part 3 will be coming in a little bit. - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos There seems to be quite a bit going around about the possibile outcome of a Thyatian invasion of Karameikos and while *any* result is completely theoretical, I am a bit bothered by some of the arguments made in favor of Thyatis "crushing" Karameikos. It seems some people out there really do not like Karameikos... Anyway, the first thing I'm concerned by is the argument that the ethnic tension in Karameikos would make them incompetent in the face of an outside threat to their sovereignty. If Thyatis were to invade Karameikos, they would be attacking 'Karamiekans' of both Traladaran & Thyatian-descent. Some people have also said that many of the Thyatian-Karameikan nobles would side with Thyatis in an invasion. My question is simple: Why? Regardless of the feelings they may have toward Stefan personally, they are all reasonable enough to understand that they have more say in the sovereignty of an independent Karameikos than in a Thyatian colony. Can you say big fish in a small pond? Besides, they left Thyatis for a reason... and those that are children of those who left seem to be following in the footsteps of their parents. The theory that the Traladarans wouldn't support the Kingdom also seems ridiculous to me. If most of them didn't like 'Stefan's Thyatian invasion', why would they like an all-out Thyatian invasion any better? At least in Karameikos they are given an opportunity to participate in the government. Even the most hard-line Traladarans will concede that Stefan gives at least lip-service to Traladaran equality. Think they'd get that as a conquered land of Thyatis? I think not... just ask the Pearl Islanders, Ochaleans, or Hinterlanders (not to mention various cultures on the Isle of Dawn). As far as the elves... I agree that the Vyalia would remain neutral(unless attacked), but the Calarii would certainly fight for Karameikos. Gaz1 & KKoA both talk about the Calarii's admiration for Stefan. Remember the Elven Guard? And forget about the nonsense of not being given their own dominion - dominions are a human concept. Stefan has let the Calarii rule themselves without interference; what do they care for titles? And as for the Alfheim refugees - oh yeah, like they're going to let someone else come in and bully them again. They're at a breaking point - they've been run out of their homeland and they're certainly not going to be conquered again without a fight. That leaves the Alphatians. Let's face it, the Alphatians would certainly blame the Thyatians as much as anyone for the sinking of their Empire. The Karamiekans stayed out of the war and were at least passively supportive of Alphatia. The Alphatian refugees aren't just going to ignore Thyatian agression in their new home. Is it realistic to say they would just up and leave if Karameikos was conquered by Thyatis? Probably not. Where are they going to go? Glantri? ;~P So as far as Karameikan resistance to Thyatis... it would be pretty heavy. That's not to say Thyatis couldn't do it; it just probably wouldn't be worth it. Afterall what would they really gain? Probably the just the emnity of *every* other nation in the Known World. Anyway, just my two Kopecs worth... auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:30:38 +0200 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Profs. At Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:00:30 -0400 (EDT), au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) wrote: >Hmmm...any chance of seeing those files on your player's website (S--t >Dragon's Lair) being translated? IIRC, you had detail on the AC and hit >points of things like doors and chairs, as well as sheets for keeping >track of time and weather. The weather tables on the Trail Maps are >great, but a little unwieldy, if you know what I mean... ;-) > >Anyhow, those files looked neat, and I'm sure there would be an audience >for them. Well, my main problem at the moment is time. If you know a good translator program that allows me to translate from Italian to English (with all the mistakes, mind u), I'll be glad to use it and refine the finished product. Up to now I've got no time for that.. If one of my players (the one who's got the site with all my stuff in Italian) manages to do it, you may see my Excel spreadsheet for dominion and army in English... dunno when, though. DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: [MYSTARA] - New items pt. 3 (still long) This is the last of them. I promise. For the moment anyway. :) - --Frobozz-- Protection From Chaos Cleric Level: 5 Duration: (4+level of caster) rounds Area of Effect: 10' radius Originally made to function like Protection From Evil, but having undergone some major upgrading, this spell causes creatures of Chaotic alignments to actively avoid the field, or suffer from severe disquiet (-2 penalty on all rolls). Chaotic effects (spells cast by Chaotic users, Chaotic aligned relics, or general effects that tamper with Natural Law [DM's discretion as to what that really means]) will fail within the field. This could prove distinctly annoying to a party of adventurers, on the other hand, it would give solid footing in a place like the Abyss. A VERY rare spell, it was discovered as an effect by the foolish priest who brought the Lantern of the Gatekeeper to the Material plane. Forced by the field to drop the Lantern, he kept his distance from it, attempting in vain to speak to the spirit residing in it. Of course, he had little time to formulate theories before the Curse took him. Note that this effect will NOT break the Curse of Chaos becasue people believe it to be plague, not a figment of their imaginations. Limited Teleport Magic-user Level: 6 Duration: (d6+level of caster) turns Area of Effect: special Functioning as a strangely powerful yet nasty variant of the teleport spell, this spell is more in the manner of a cursed spell than a regularly useful one. It grants the user the ability to travel to any point he can recall having seen. This includes points on other planes. There is, of course, a catch. After (d6+level of caster) turns, the traveller is immediately teleported back to his point of origin, and _ever after_ cannot cannot visit the arrival point without being teleported instantly back to the original spellcasting spot. EXAMPLE: Sifnik (an 8th level wizard) casts limited teleport on himself and shifts to the town square at Everton. He can stay in everton for a maximum of 14 turns before he is yanked back to the point from where he originally cast the spell. Evermore, when Sifnik returns to the town square of Everton _by any means_, he will immediately teleport to the point from which he originally cast the spell. NOTE: This spell works best as a cursed scroll or with a backfiring magic item. When used in this manner, the DM should determine what level wizard set the spell on the scroll. In the case of the Gatekeeper's Lantern, the casting wizard was of 13th level and the spell has a special restriction: instead of returning the user to the point of spellcasting, it ALWAYS returns the user to the Gate on the Realm of Chaos. That's all for now, folks. Comments, critcism, etc. very welcome. Enjoy! - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:39:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues >Darokin gaz says to treat rapiers as > longsword/normal sword. Bruce gave an > alternate description of the rapier in a > dragonmag, but i dont know which one... Rapiers were also mentioned in the G:KoM box, and those stats were taken from the PO:C&T book. I'll give you those, you can convert them to OD&D if needs be... Rapier: Weight 4 / Size M / Type P(iercing) / Speed 4 (Fast). Damage sm-med 1d6 / large 1d8. Jenn Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/valerya1 Tome of Mystara: http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #390 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, September 13 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 391 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara Re: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... Re: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - Components [was: Armor Spell and Glantri] Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - Who died in Glantri durning WOTI Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... [MYSTARA] - Spell components ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:44:39 +0200 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara At Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:32 +0100, Thorfinn Tait wrote: >I always planned to run the Itheldown Island adventure from the Darokin >Gazetteer using an original Immortals set demon as the demon that Henry >Ithel summoned. I never got round to doing it, but it was going to be >an encounter to bring my power-hungry PCs down to size. :-) >Marco, didn't you do about the same thing? Yep, that's exactly what I did Thorf. The Immortal Demon was a Roaring Demon (as stated in GAZ11) named Razrog. Actually, IMC the characters were contacted by a demonist that pretended to know the location of an ancient evil about to break in the Known World and wreak havoc. Since my PCs are fond of Darokin and have taken up a second residence there, they wanted to protect it and accompanied this guy to Itheldown Island, learning of its bad reputation. Once inside the castle, Razrog was alerted of their presence and began weaving his web of illusions. I made him a very different kind of Demon, using Illusions to disorientate PCs (they fought monsters and got killed, then reappeared in front of the castle and got to see one of their members -not there at the moment- plot with the demon, then met their friend and started to fight, then discovered they were no more on Mystara, etc..) until the demonist was able to break the whole Illusion with an arcane symbol of power and they discovered the things they had experienced in the last session weren't real! To make a long story short, the demonist was able to conjure Razrog and lured the PCs into circle of protections where they would have been safe from him. However, they soon discovered they couldn't leave the circle and that the demonist wanted to sacrifice them to bind Razrog to his will. He had not predicted the circle of power he designed for Razrog didn't work (he misspelled one of his truenames) so he got killed in the process and then Razrog attacked the PCs, breaking the circle. In the following battle, the PCs managed to destroy Razrog, or so they thought.. Razrog transferred his lifeforce into the demonist's body, then when discovered he changed and went into one of the PCs' body, then left it and the PCs lost track of it in one of their dominions (his power was very similar to that of the entity described in Stephen King's "Desperation": it corrupts slowly the host body, so he must change it frequently). Now Razrog is roaming Mystara trying to return to his homeplane and reform a new body, then he'll be back and avenge himself.. :) As u can see, demons and demonists must be handled with care :) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:34:01 +0200 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons in Mystara At Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:09:32 +0100, Thorfinn Tait wrote: >I always planned to run the Itheldown Island adventure from the Darokin >Gazetteer using an original Immortals set demon as the demon that Henry >Ithel summoned. I never got round to doing it, but it was going to be >an encounter to bring my power-hungry PCs down to size. :-) >Marco, didn't you do about the same thing? Yep, that's exactly what I did Thorf. The Immortal Demon was a Roaring Demon (as stated in GAZ11) named Razrog. Actually, IMC the characters were contacted by a demonist that pretended to know the location of an ancient evil about to break in the Known World and wreak havoc. Since my PCs are fond of Darokin and have taken up a second residence there, they wanted to protect it and accompanied this guy to Itheldown Island, learning of its bad reputation. Once inside the castle, Razrog was alerted of their presence and began weaving his web of illusions. I made him a very different kind of Demon, using Illusions to disorientate PCs (they fought monsters and got killed, then reappeared in front of the castle and got to see one of their members -not there at the moment- plot with the demon, then met their friend and started to fight, then discovered they were no more on Mystara, etc..) until the demonist was able to break the whole Illusion with an arcane symbol of power and they discovered the things they had experienced in the last session weren't real! To make a long story short, the demonist was able to conjure Razrog and lured the PCs into circle of protections where they would have been safe from him. However, they soon discovered they couldn't leave the circle and that the demonist wanted to sacrifice them to bind Razrog to his will. He had not predicted the circle of power he designed for Razrog didn't work (he misspelled one of his truenames) so he got killed in the process and then Razrog attacked the PCs, breaking the circle. In the following battle, the PCs managed to destroy Razrog, or so they thought.. Razrog transferred his lifeforce into the demonist's body, then when discovered he changed and went into one of the PCs' body, then left it and the PCs lost track of it in one of their dominions (his power was very similar to that of the entity described in Stephen King's "Desperation": it corrupts slowly the host body, so he must change it frequently). Now Razrog is roaming Mystara trying to return to his homeplane and reform a new body, then he'll be back and avenge himself.. :) As u can see, demons and demonists must be handled with care :) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:11 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... In a message dated 13/09/99 06:03:38 GMT Daylight Time, jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au writes: > Hmmmm an audience with princess Dolores!!!. Well i guess if one > raises ones profile, said profile is in danger of getting bitten off. > Yup think i might give that lil chat a big miss. :) You see? THIS is why I remain happily anonymous (if the response to my last posting is anything to go by...;-) Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:15 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) In a message dated 13/09/99 16:48:38 GMT Daylight Time, sg96d355@drexel.edu writes: > the Curse of Chaos At the risk of sounding like a Valley girl, the following is my carefully-considered and reasoned review of the above malaise.... "ICK! Ewwww, Gross!!!!!" Well done, Frob ol' boy! Nice work! Looking forward to part 3... Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri - --- IronWolf wrote: > > just goes to show how sodding ridiculous the whole > spell component thing > > is any way.* > > I disagree with you here. Spell components attach a > price tag to spells, and > prevent mages from wholesale casting all the time, > and it also gives a new outlet > for thier funding. (I.E. something to spend money I've played in several AD&D campaigns1st & 2nd ed); some w/ spell components & some without. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't - mostly depends on the DM & how cooperative the players are. Personally, I think it's a cool idea but it has to be handled carefully. On one hand if everything is super-easy to get a hold of then the Mage in question is going to think the components are anything more than an inconvenience. If it requires an epic-quest to obtain the material components for a read-magic, the game will quickly become very tedious. > > * well it's not ridiculous  if it's like the > components Bruce outlined > > for spells like Transcend Lifeform (or whatever > it's called) in GAZ3, > > that's just sensible. > Yeah, I agree. IMC, I plan on forcing MU's to find spell components to *research* the spell but not to cast it. Since I'm running the campaign w/ OD&D rules, I think it's a workable compromise. auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:38:15 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard > I also don't know why the Vyalia would automatically side with Thyatis. > There are Vyalia on both sides of the border. Wouldn't the Karmeikan > Vyalia side with Karameikos and the Thyatian Vyalia side with Thyatis. > I think most elves except for Callarii would stay out of only protecting there woods for instance Alfheimers in Achelos could care less whats happening to Riverfork keep however lets say A Thyatian General decides to relieve himself on a tree and *WHAM* four arrows in his back!!! Vyalia wouldn't care the least being a reclusive type and all let alone being elves, the High Forge knomes wouldn't care as long as they kept there kingdom. I don't think Kelvin (maybe Penhaligon) would decieve Karameikos, However Lady Marilinev might help Thyatis if she thinks she can gain power again or Thyatis promises her something whether a lye or the truth (i.e. giving her back her one missing as long as she cooperates).... That is if she is still ticking. Either way karameikos's future looks bright for now, however theres always a storm on the horizon. Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:43:28 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: [MYSTARA] - - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Yes most of the human emigrants were from traladaran descent.The locals were oltec.And note that traladaran people are a mixture of nithian and neathar.So i agree with those who think that even if thyatis knows that there are some countries out there, they are too much focused on developping/keeping its colonies on the IoD and in the Hinterlands( where they could encounter and oppose the heldannic expension).Then they would have a foothold to explore /conquer northern davania, the serpent peninsula and in doing so they wouls surely confront the Texerian navy. On another subject i remember a great story called world in flame written by Bruce Heard (it is on Shawn's site)It depicted big changes in the KW political board, and it included an invasion of thyatis mainland by the ethengars, who sided with the baddies (no offense jamuga).And there were interesting remarks concerning the attitude of karameikos which granted the horde a free right to pass through karameikos to attack thyatis.At that time i objected to Bruce that as a Karameikan baron my 36th level wizard would not allow them to pass.And he said that i would be no match for their horde and reminded me that refusing to obey my king would be betraying my oath.Anywxay, to know more about such a scenario, just read it.Then ask Bruce , he's the boss. thib - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:45:56 -0400 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > Stoneskin, which essentially render the mage indestructible, aren't so > quickly cast when they need powdered diamond dust. True. However, one must realize that all this complexity gets in the way of "fun". So Bob the M-U doesn't have diamond dust, and 1 HP left, and a giant beast is bearing down on him. I love killing characters, don't you? > (He didn't use 'Critical Fumbles for Mundane Tasks' too, did he?) Gods, tell me that DM's need a _TABLE_ for that.. Give me simplicity over rules lawyerism anyday.. Ethan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:47:21 -0400 From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > Yeah, I agree. IMC, I plan on forcing MU's to find spell components > to *research* the spell but not to cast it. Since I'm running the > campaign w/ OD&D rules, I think it's a workable compromise. IIRC, spell components for research are part of the bill for getting the new spell, right? Ethan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:13:18 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos > So as far as Karameikan resistance to Thyatis... it would be pretty > heavy. That's not to say Thyatis couldn't do it; it just probably > wouldn't be worth it. > Afterall what would they really gain? Probably the just the emnity of > *every* other nation in the Known World. > Anyway, just my two Kopecs worth... I agree with everything you said here. I think if Thyatis were to try and take over Kara. it would take places that are rich in resources or at least try too not the whole country only valuable places. For instance if it were to take Luln, Kelvin and everything east of the Volaga it wouldn't need the rest, explanation: Kelvin controls the trading from Mirros to High Forge and could easily be used to gain power of the road to Threshold( i.e. taxes;$$$) and Luln can easily control from Fort Doom and Five Shires, The Dymrak Forest is logging the Altan Tepes are mining and Kings road is more $$$ and the rest nice farmaland. So the toughest (I think anyway) Mirros would not matter for Thyatis does not need another city to feed and its sucking the income out from it anyway. Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:19:58 EDT From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri The way we handle the armor spell, IMC, is that any piece or strip of finely cured leather will suffice, whether it is from leather armor or just a special strip of leather waiting to be bought by the mage or another source. The blessing is not actually a bless spell cast on the leather, but merely the blessing of the priest in the name of his/her diety. The leather is used up in the casting, thereby making it nescasary to obtain on a regular basis if the mage casts the spell frequently. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 CQuaif@aol.com wrote: > > the Curse of Chaos > > At the risk of sounding like a Valley girl, the following is my > carefully-considered and reasoned review of the above malaise.... > > "ICK! Ewwww, Gross!!!!!" Like gag me with a spoon. That Valley stuff is like so old. Omigawd! > > Well done, Frob ol' boy! Nice work! > Aww, shucks. Kinda makes a guy feel all - MACHO! (What were YOU thinking?) :-P - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:33:16 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] > Isn't much of the Savage Coast made up of old Thyatian colonies? They must > have gotten there somehow. > Yes the Savage Baronies had Thyatian and Traladaran Influence only some baronies still survive that were originally instated as Thyatian but not with out border changes. Of course there all independant now Its says they sailed which means sea or air, go figure! Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:41:37 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - OD&D vs AD&D classes/races (was: wizards and armor) > The obvious idea would be to limit their spells so that they are comparable > in power with the spell lists in the Alfheim and Shadow Elf gazetteers -- > they should not be throwing around fireballs and lightning bolts, for example. > > Another possibility would be to take away about 15 points worth of racial > abilities in order to compensate for them having "armored wizard" as a > racial ability. Good candidates for removal would be the sleep/charm > resistance and the sword/bow bonus (to be replaced with a requirement > that the first two proficient weapons be a sword and a bow, perhaps). I mean like within 10ft of a burnt or ruined tree the elf would suffer -5 to morale, and he can't be raised by anyhting but a elf cleric and suffer -1 at using a whip even if profiencent instead of just taking away powers this way the elf is still mystical but has its drawbacks too. Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri - --- SteelAngel wrote: > IIRC, spell components for research are part of the > bill for getting the > new spell, right? > I believe so... at least for part of them. I'm basing my rule on Gaz 2 which I don't have access to at the moment. But I believe it said something along the lines of having to go on quests to find some of the components to actually research the spell. Thus, you have a series of adventure ideas. That's pretty much my take on it anyway - it could be a misinterpretation. Anyone? Bruce? auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:45:07 +0000 From: joyce scism Subject: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> hello fellow Mystarans. I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in ye company. May the immortals be by ye side. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:52:09 EDT From: Arminath@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues In a message dated 9/12/99 3:56:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BoBoII@aol.com writes: << 1) Does anyone have the Weapon Mastery stats for Rapiers as printed in Darokin Gaz? Was this published anywhere else? >> No Gaz stats here, but Dragon magazine #175 says: Rapier (P=H) Mastery Ranges Damage Defense Special Basic - 2d4-1 - - Skilled - 1d8+1 H: +2ac/2 Deflect 1/rnd Disarm Expert - P:1d8+2 H: +2ac/3 Deflect 2/rnd -/10/20 S:1d8+1 Disarm (Save +2) Master - P:1d12 H:+3ac/3 Deflect 3/rnd -/10/20 S:1d10 Disarm (Save +4) GR Master - P:1d12+1 H: +4ac/4 Deflect 3/rnd 10/20/30 S:1d10+1 Disarm (Save +6) The rapier costs 10 gp and has an encumbrance of 60 cns. It is a meduim single handed weapon. A shield conflicts with the 'art of fencing' required for the rapier, negating defense and special effects of mastery. The rapier is a melee weapon rarely or never thrown. It suffers a -2 to hit penalty against plate and suit armored opponents. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 99 15:57:22 -0500 From: Charles Hoover Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Components [was: Armor Spell and Glantri] > > just goes to show how sodding ridiculous the whole spell component thing > > is any way.* > > I disagree with you here. Spell components attach a price tag to spells, and > prevent mages from wholesale casting all the time, and it also gives a new outlet > for thier funding. (I.E. something to spend money The solution in my groups has been that spells only require components if the component listed is extremely rare or expensive. Diamond dust for Stoneskin, 1000gp of incense for Find Familiar, etc. Most basic spells that call for rather mundane components are just assumed to not require them. As for the Armor spell, we have changed the component from blessed leather to a 50gp semiprecious gemstone (usually Carnelian), which works out just fine. =) Ciao. - --- Charles Hoover - mythrildragon@usa.net <*> http://get.to/tmd ICQ#11859188 Yahoo!Pager-TheMythrilDragon AIM-MythrlDrgn "Don't shoot the messenger. It wastes bullets. Hang him. After all, rope can be re-used." -Anonymous _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Diego Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mystaran Chat Rooms, another go Me to, me to! (Sorry oh admin in the sky.) On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Eleanor Williams wrote: > Please send URL > and/or invitation > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:01:34 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, joyce scism wrote: > hello fellow Mystarans. > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > ye company. > May the immortals be by ye side. Avast, maties! We've another sea dog in the water! Welcome aboard, Joyce. Always happy to see new folks floating...I mean sailing in our waters. - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:12:34 -0600 From: CW-Mystara-List@cmnwrld.com (CW-Mystara-List) Subject: [MYSTARA] - Who died in Glantri durning WOTI I am mostly a lurker on this list. Im so very busy that i dont even get to read much that is posted in here. I have been playing for way over a decade - i own almost every bit of Material TSR ever put out for Mystara (D&D & AD&D). i admit that i lack a few modules here and there. For many years now we have been gaming as the WotI has been going on. I had the commit just hit. Does anyone have a complete list of those who died in Glantri when the comit did hit. (who in the Gaz1 and others died) What Glantrian Nobles did you have assassinated in Glantri where Innicenti lived to tell the tale about it? ( pg 76 WotI) We have already done this but i woudl liek to see what others have done. Any insight in who has also died in the past from WotI would be great. http://www.CWSpot.com/mystara *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:09:43 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> > hello fellow Mystarans. > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > ye company. > May the immortals be by ye side. Why hello, nice to meet you (bows low and tips his hat) may your hair grow gray with and your coffers always be full. Lord Shalander Silverstream of Wellandria Woods (Stewart 3rd) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:12:03 +0200 From: Erewan Laubgaenger Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A riddle... Jamuga Khan wrote: > > Here's a little, er, big, riddle for your poor players. > But first you should think for yourself... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- i like it. it is very good i will use it as an riddle for dragons - if we have chance to talk with them. if you have more send them to the list thanks IBON *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:34:46 -0500 From: "Albert Edward Capt. 552 CSG/SCXX" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Spell components I charge M-U a flat 10% of their income for spell components. I figure it balances out, some spells need only sand (free) others need a 100gp ruby. Now, if they are caught without their components they'll have to do some scrounging. Because of this, I use a random chart to identify the exact type of gem that 50gp gem found in the troll's lair was. I also keep in mind the type of components that may be easily found. "I'm looking under this old log for a glow worm... AAAAAAAHHHHHH Giant centipede!" ASEO out - -----Original Message----- From: SteelAngel [mailto:Spymaster@planetfortress.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 1:47 PM To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri > Yeah, I agree. IMC, I plan on forcing MU's to find spell components > to *research* the spell but not to cast it. Since I'm running the > campaign w/ OD&D rules, I think it's a workable compromise. IIRC, spell components for research are part of the bill for getting the new spell, right? Ethan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #391 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 392 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - Clans in Alfheim Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - Re: The armor spell Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - A question of religion Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - norwold Re: [MYSTARA] - norwold Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990914012652.DNCT20968@12.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:34:35 +0200 From: Lostboy@t-online.de (Klaus Kischkat) Subject: [MYSTARA] - Clans in Alfheim GAZ 5: The Elves of Alfheim The seven major clans have their clancenter with the number of elves living in it. But how many elves are living in the Chossum, Longrunner etc. clan exactly? And what are the Names of the 10 minor Clans? See page 37? Has anybody given a name for them in his/ her campaign? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:14:26 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Salut, Joyce.......Hi, Joyce Bienvenue....... Welcome ( simple but, gosh, my english is so poor, that i don't want to make more mistakes ) So have a good time and feel free to ask about everything you want to know, and give us your suggestions of all you think fair to talk about. There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans lines, even if (in my opinion), there's not enough french. a+ Fred"Cobaye"DeLaval joyce scism a écrit: > hello fellow Mystarans. > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > ye company. > May the immortals be by ye side. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Je ne sais Rob Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: The armor spell On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, mystara-digest wrote: > gold in reserve.) The most abhorrent thing to him, however, was that the > Armor spell, certainly a handy and useful spell for the low level mage, > required a piece of blessed leather to cast, valued initially at 50g, > but not so easily buyable as that. Oh, this is nuts for several reasons. 50gp for components for a first level spell is ridiculous. As far as blessed leather goes, I don't think that any element of the magic user arena should be dependent upon priests *at all*, even for a simple prayer. An ordinary piece good quality leather specially prepared and treated by the wizard should be fine. This ain't a wish spell. When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the world, he replied, ``To thicken the plot.'' "Computers are useless; they can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso "I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet, but I haven't got my orders decoded yet." William S. Burroughs Robert Fernandez "Plays Well With Others" rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu AIM: Gamaliel8 http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~rfernand ICQ: 37895987 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> - --- Cobaye wrote: > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans > lines, even if (in my opinion), > there's not enough french. > Yeah, what's up with that?! I mean c'mon, we all know that they speak French in Nouvelle Averoigne. Let's show a little respect here. Oops... I forgot. I don't speak French. Never mind. Carry on. :~D Oh yeah. Welcome, Joyce! Or as our Deutsch members might(or might not) say, Wilkommen! auf wiedersehen (& au revoir), Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:46:10 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion What, if any, religions are accepted among the vast variety of cultures throughout the southern portion of the Known World (Karameikos and below) that do not directly deal with Immortals? I have already selected the Immortal to which my life belongs, but for purely knowledge sake, I am wondering this. There is a man in my party known as a Skald, and he practices the religion of some Norse God, and I was wondering if there are any such religions in the southern reaches? Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of the Starwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:54:42 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos >I agree with everything you said here. I think if Thyatis were to try and >take over Kara. it would take places that are rich in resources or at least >try too not the whole country only valuable places. For instance if it were >to take Luln, Kelvin and everything east of the Volaga it wouldn't need the >rest, explanation: Kelvin controls the trading from Mirros to High Forge and >could easily be used to gain power of the road to Threshold( i.e. taxes;$$$) >and Luln can easily control from Fort Doom and Five Shires, The Dymrak >Forest is logging the Altan Tepes are mining and Kings road is more $$$ and >the rest nice farmaland. So the toughest (I think anyway) Mirros would not >matter for Thyatis does not need another city to feed and its sucking the >income out from it anyway. I disagree. If nothing else, Mirros is a necessary acquisition in order to eliminate the potential threat of Karameikan loyalists. It has a trememdous population (it would be the second biggest city in the empire, wouldn't it?), and Eusebius must neutralize Stefan somehow--either by installing someone else on the throne or carving the country up. Furthermore, the single most important target is the School of Magecraft. Thyatis cannot afford to keep such a powerful Alphatian presence right at their back door--it must be either demolished or taken over by Thyatian mages. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:03:46 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> J'espère voir quelques changements. As it is common to hear in Ten'arh'Qillon: "We have a lot of time to see when we can do what we want on this plane" Et pourquoi pas des messages en plusieurs langues! (ah! si seulement les traducteurs logiciels étaient un peu plus performants)....(ah! if only translators softwares could be more powerfull) Damon Brown a écrit: > --- Cobaye wrote: > > > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans > > lines, even if (in my opinion), > > there's not enough french. > > > Yeah, what's up with that?! I mean c'mon, we all know that they speak > French in Nouvelle Averoigne. Let's show a little respect here. > Oops... I forgot. I don't speak French. Never mind. Carry on. :~D > > Oh yeah. Welcome, Joyce! Or as our Deutsch members might(or might not) > say, Wilkommen! > > auf wiedersehen (& au revoir), > Damon > === > If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:03:17 +0000 From: terry abbott Subject: [MYSTARA] - norwold does anyone run a game based in norwold? i'd like to hear about it. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:17:41 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - norwold yes, but it was a long tale. Before the wrath of the immortals. It was the story of a powerfull mage, who wish to know more about radiance. He was helped by a holly elf warrior of one of the last Vyalian clans and some apprentices. He had good reasons to think that he could find some answers in norwold, and he was right. he was right, yes.... terry abbott a écrit: > does anyone run a game based in norwold? > i'd like to hear about it. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:28:48 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos > There seems to be quite a bit going around about the possibile >outcome of a Thyatian invasion of Karameikos and while *any* result is >completely theoretical, I am a bit bothered by some of the arguments >made in favor of Thyatis "crushing" Karameikos. It seems some people >out there really do not like Karameikos... Personally, I like Karameikos a lot. But the absurdity is that so many people feel that Karameikos must be preserved mo matter what, simply because it's their favorite setting. I have enjoyed DMing campaigns in both Thyatis and Karameikos. The problem is that Stefan has betrayed his liege and sold out to the greatest enemy Thyatis has ever known. Eusebius cannot afford to leave this threat unattended, and Thyatis CAN conquer Karameikos. I certainly don't have it in for Karameikos, but Thyatis has both the incentive and the ability to remove Stefan, and it's simply absurd to protect Karameikos from fate simply because it's popular (Three Cheers for Aengmor! Let the flames fly...) > Some people have also said that many of the Thyatian-Karameikan >nobles would side with Thyatis in an invasion. My question is simple: >Why? Regardless of the feelings they may have toward Stefan personally, >they are all reasonable enough to understand that they have more say in >the sovereignty of an independent Karameikos than in a Thyatian colony. >Can you say big fish in a small pond? Besides, they left Thyatis for a >reason... and those that are children of those who left seem to be >following in the footsteps of their parents. Plenty of ethnic Thyatian nobles would remain loyal to Karameikos. However, with the church dissention likely to erupt upon Jowett's death, Desmond Kelvin would be in an excellent position to sieze control of the church. To do so, he would need to be certain to accentuate (or perhaps even falsify) the ties between the moderates in the church and cult of Halav. Desmond is a master plotter, and he would likely find an ideal ally in Eusebius. Furthermore, once a Thyatian invasion seems imminent, most nobles will recognize that Stefan has little chance of retaining control, so they would rather pledge allegiance to Eusebius than lose their lands and titles. > The theory that the Traladarans wouldn't support the Kingdom also >seems ridiculous to me. If most of them didn't like 'Stefan's Thyatian >invasion', why would they like an all-out Thyatian invasion any better? >At least in Karameikos they are given an opportunity to participate in >the government. Even the most hard-line Traladarans will concede that >Stefan gives at least lip-service to Traladaran equality. Think they'd >get that as a conquered land of Thyatis? I think not... just ask the Well, Eusebius has already earned something of a reputation as a reformer. Assuming that he remains largely trustworthy for the next ten years or so, Traladarans would feel more comfortable with his promises than Stefan's lies (even if he's too stupid to recognize them as such). The Traladarans are already at least somewhat distrustful of the Alphatian Magic-Users (see the PWA with the pranks), and some careful Thyatian manipulation could certainly convince many of the Traladarans that the true enemy is the evil Alhpatians with whom Stefan has allied himself. >Pearl Islanders, Ochaleans, or Hinterlanders (not to mention various >cultures on the Isle of Dawn). I really don't know what you mean here. Thyatis has a long-standing reputation for treating conquered peoples well--particularly Ochaleans and Pearl Islanders. These territories declared independence in WotI due to immortal influence and self-preservation instincts, but there is never any indication that they were mistreated by the Thyatians. > As far as the elves... I agree that the Vyalia would remain >neutral(unless attacked), but the Calarii would certainly fight for >Karameikos. Gaz1 & KKoA both talk about the Calarii's admiration for >Stefan. Remember the Elven Guard? And forget about the nonsense of not >being given their own dominion - dominions are a human concept. Stefan >has let the Calarii rule themselves without interference; what do they Of the three main groups of elves, the Calarii are the most likely to enter the fray. However, most of them will sit it out--only the most adventuresome are very likely to fight the Thyatians. They certainly didn't fight to protect the Traladarans before, and personal admiration is an awfully long stretch for elves to risk their lives. The Vyalia would likely remain largely neutral, but some of the more adventuresome (and some of the foresters) are likely to fight for Thyatis, particularly if, as someone mentioned, Karameikos sends bands of arsonists through their woods on the way to Thyatis. >care for titles? And as for the Alfheim refugees - oh yeah, like >they're going to let someone else come in and bully them again. They're >at a breaking point - they've been run out of their homeland and >they're certainly not going to be conquered again without a fight. The problem is they still don't really think of the Achelos as "home." For the most part, they would rather work out a treaty and move back to the Canolbarth. I don't see as large an elven presence in Western Karameikos in a few years, and I doubt they'd march out of the forests to defend Mirros. As long as the Thyatians leave them alone, i don't see them caring to put up a fight. > That leaves the Alphatians. Let's face it, the Alphatians would >certainly blame the Thyatians as much as anyone for the sinking of >their Empire. The Karamiekans stayed out of the war and were at least >passively supportive of Alphatia. The Alphatian refugees aren't just >going to ignore Thyatian agression in their new home. Is it realistic >to say they would just up and leave if Karameikos was conquered by >Thyatis? Probably not. Where are they going to go? Glantri? ;~P Thothia! I agree that many Alphatians will try to resist Thyatian advances, but they understand that the best place by far for Alphatia's outer-world future is the Isle of Dawn. The Alphatians would certainly be a formidable force, but there are really very few of them and many would rather flee than risk their lives in a losing cause. > So as far as Karameikan resistance to Thyatis... it would be pretty >heavy. That's not to say Thyatis couldn't do it; it just probably >wouldn't be worth it. Thyatis cannot keep Alphatians on both their eastern and western frontiers. The obvious solution is to take out the weaker of the enemies. They've already determined that Thothia is nearly impossible to defeat, so Karameikos makes a lot more sense. > Afterall what would they really gain? Probably the just the emnity of >*every* other nation in the Known World. I definitely disagree here. The Heldannic Knights like the victors, whoever they are. Minrothad would likely join Thyatis in an invasion--Stefans has allied himself with Darokin, Minrothad's greatest competitor, and Karameikos is trying to build up its own naval and trade fleets. The WDL might be unhappy, but they've already set themselves up against Thyatis, and they'd rather sacrifice Karameikos in return for assurances from Eusebius that they'll be spared. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:35:08 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] > I seem to have read somewhere that many of the emmigrants to the >Savage Coast were actually Traladaran. Narvaez, the initial Savage Barony, was founded by Thyatians. Los Guardianos, as an ethnic group, are predominately Thyatian, although they do have Traladaran influences from the City-States. That might be what you're thinking of. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:44:37 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard <> How are you figuring this? Thyatis is a great setting--and what do you mean "civil-war/Inquisition"? I understand that most of the Karameikos-defending is based more on wishful thinking than reality, and it's really kind of a moot point since Mystara isn't likely to ever again be published, but I personally don't consider affinity for a setting to be adequate reason to save it from realism (even Graakhalia, the single greatest loss of WotI). <> I agree that Thothia is the greater concern, but Eusebius is smart enough to understand that Thothia is a long-term problem--one which he will be satisfied to just maintain a holding position. He's already seen the disastrous results of an assault on Thothia. <(One could argue Thyatis may be more concerned with Hule, but I don't think so. That's what the Western Defense League is for. And that's why Eusebius isn't going to screw with it... yet.)> I agree with this, but the Karameikan-Alphatian alliance is definitely something worth worrying about. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:26:52 +0000 From: terry abbott Subject: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990914012652.DNCT20968@12.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Avast ye dogs! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:00:21 -0400 From: Andrew Toth Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New items, pt 2(longer) At 02:14 PM 9/13/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 13/09/99 16:48:38 GMT Daylight Time, sg96d355@drexel.edu >writes: > >> the Curse of Chaos Heh, nice work. Of course, the logical other cure to this would that wonder drug, of wonder drugs, the placebo. Beyowulf Steely Blue Dragon -==UDIC==- "Stay frosty" - Reboot "'Some might say were interfering in their culture.' 'Screw'em.'" - B5, Crusade *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:08:33 +0200 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues At Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:54:52 EDT, BoBoII@aol.com wrote: >1) Does anyone have the Weapon Mastery stats for Rapiers as printed in >Darokin Gaz? Was this published anywhere else? Yep, directly from Dragon Magazine #175: Rapier Mastery Range Dmg Def Special (P=H) Base - 2d4-1 - - Skilled - 1d8+1 H:-2 CA/2 Parry (1), Disarm (Dex check) Expert -/90/180 1d8+2 H:-2 CA/3 Parry (2), Disarm (Dx -2) Master -/90/180 P:1d12 H:-3 CA/3 Parry (3), Disarm (Dx -4) S:1d10 G.Master 90/180/270 P:1d12+1 H:-4 CA/4 Parry (3), Disarm (Dx -6) S:1d10+1 Rapier: cost 10 mo, encumbrance 60 coins, one handed weapon of medium size (rarely used as thrown weapon). Using a shield negates the defensive bonus and the Special Effects. Rapier has a -2 penalty on the roll to hit opponents who don a plate mail or better. I realize I may have changed a few things here and there, but anyway, that's my version of the rapier (very common in Darokin). >2) In CoM, a couple references are made to the savage coast having a >"Guardiano influence." Who/Where are the Guardianos? Guardiano is the term to design an inhabitant of the Savage Baronies, also called "Guardiano Baronies" (Guardiano means, well, Guardian). DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:24:47 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri In a message dated 1999-09-13 11:47:38 Eastern Daylight Time, redrobyne@ellijay.com writes: > If I remember correctly there not allowed to cast any spell or perform any > functions other than healing ones (i.e. preaching there faith and or casting > a continual light spell would get them punished for treason). So blessing > something is probably a crime still, however a desperate lord might still > purchase one According to "Mark of Amber", clerics must obtain licenses for whatever type of spell they wish to cast -- healing, divination, or whatever. The implication is that clerics are legally restricted to a small subset of their available spells. I would imagine that clerics could get a license specifically for the purpose of blessing leather -- but why should they? I am sure that by the time clerics were legalized in Glantri, some mage would have worked out alternate material components for the Armor spell. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:24:46 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] In a message dated 1999-09-13 02:05:47 Eastern Daylight Time, BoBoII@aol.com writes: > Sure, but think of how misinformed Europeans (and Ottomans, Chin, Shogunate > Japan, etc.) were of the parts of the globe they knew existed. Magic, > scrying, Commune, Contact Other Plane, etc., will all help get info, but how > accurate do you think the average character's info will be. I would think > that spending a skill slot on World History/Geography might be necessary. The average Thyatian will not know much, but the Thyatian government will be collecting all of the information that they can and perhaps making it available for a price. While they might make some use of magic to collect their information, I suspect that they accumulate most of it by actual physical exploration -- they actually sent out ships to visit as many areas as they can reach. In order for an average character to gain access to this information, he should either have the appropriate skill (indicating that he has spent time reading in the archives that contain the information) or shell out several hundred gold pieces for a copy of, say, the "Skotharian almanac", which will contain much useful information but be perhaps 50-100 years out of date. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:42:50 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos > I disagree. If nothing else, Mirros is a necessary acquisition in order to > eliminate the potential threat of Karameikan loyalists. It has a trememdous > population (it would be the second biggest city in the empire, wouldn't > it?), and Eusebius must neutralize Stefan somehow--either by installing > someone else on the throne or carving the country up. Furthermore, the > single most important target is the School of Magecraft. Thyatis cannot > afford to keep such a powerful Alphatian presence right at their back > door--it must be either demolished or taken over by Thyatian mages. > Mirros has a lot of foreigners not necessarily loyal to Kara. and Stefan can be killed(most likely on the battle field) and Krakatos can be raised what to do about Rifflian hough thats the perdicament! Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:54:08 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) I was thinking about all this Karameikos stuff and here is my conclusion that is set up as a ruff adventure for somewhat high (5th lvl) characters who want to do some hack and slash: The Thyatian Army thinks its the best there is(Thyatians usually consider themselves the best race), so seeing how small and weak Karameikos is they would send only a small group of fighting men(500 est.). Seeing as they need to take kill Stefan and family to eliminate any threat. There goal is to take Rugalov and then onto Mirros ending in Fort Doom. They knowing they can count on Penhaligon and assured Kelvin will fight do not need to worry about the North. Thyatis assures Kelvin that Adrianna will not be killed only the others. Kelvin while although corrupted(Adriannas marriage to another man) he is still somewhat loyal and has always lusted Adrianna, while although willing to help Thyatis(for his own benefit) he could never come to let anyone kill the royal family (except for Hyrakos and the royal grand children) so he has sworn to fight for Thyatis after being promised Adriannas hand by Eusebius and his gets his own Grand Duchy once the war is over (Eusebius plans on killing them all in secret since they're still to much of a risk and THEN telling Kelvin once he has control of the land and the war is over). The ruler of Pennhaligon never really was loyal and only wanting the status and benefits of nobility so she sided with Thyatis also. A night assault was made on Rugalov Keep while a party sneeked over the river and waited behind Rugalov Village killing the messenger going to Mirros. After the Keep was taken Rugalov was utterly destroyed for the villagers could not escape by the road. As Thyatian troops marched through the night to Mirros Kelvin and Pennhaligon are told to keep quiet so as to be a supprise assault and also act as reinforcement. In the Morning Krakatos was razed to the gound with ease a lone airship(from the school of mage craft) did turn the tide (in favor of Krakatos) early on but its bad construction soon caused it to crash, and Terari was slain in agrueling magical duel, If characters are at Krakatos (suggested starting point) they might be able to rout the very small amount of men sent to destroy Krakatos (probably 40) and could probably heal Terrari soon after Mirros was besieged. The Western Half of Karameikos was alerted however as well as the Five Shires by a messenger from Marilinev, but Darokin is left in the dark. Several messengers were sent up to Kelvin in hope of aid, however Thyatian troops completely surrounded Mirros and no messenger was able to break through. The next day the outer wall was breached and the inner wall was attacked from all sides and all methods,while the city was being assaulted by catapults far off. Two days after Mirros's besieging Troops from the Five Shires make it to Fort Doom and regroup with the rest of Karameikos's troops. The inner city wall of Mirros was breached in three places and inside only met with minor resistance after most had fled to King Stefans Palace. Three days after the besieging of Mirros, Karameikan troops(including the HIN) march and arrive to Mirros. However Thyatis's force prove to be a match even for the allied men. And while battle rages on outside the palace is broken into by Thyatian troops through ancient secret passages and the royal family is killed one by one! here is where the war is one or lost. If players are able to find troops ready to slay the members of the royal family or some already slain AND can make it out to tell Kelvin with a royal member(Adrianna vollunteers(if still alive)) then the war can be won (remember Thyatis only sent a comparitively small group). If the players succeed go on (note if players inform Kelvin that Adrianna died(if she did) he can not rally his troops for he is to depressed) to the next segment. If not Thyatis conquers Karaneikos and it is proclaimed the Grand Duchy of Kelvin. Four days since Mirros's besieging Thyatian are able to send word to Kelvin and Pennhaligon for reinforcements and the Karameikan troops can't hold out much longer. Kelvin sends word to Darokin (players should escort this since Pennhaligon will likely try to kill the messenger) informing them of there trouble. Pennhaligon Keep sends troops to Mirros to find themselves attacked at Kelvin so they soon retreat to the town of Pennhaligon. Kelvin sends excess troops to Mirros to help break the siege. Next day the troops from Kelvin arrive and lift the siege routing the Thyatian men. Also if the messenger to Darokin made it, troops from Fort Hobart quickly take the under garrisoned Kings Road Keep and remove Pennhaligons ruler and garrisson with some help from Kelvin. If Not Pennhaligon and all the Altan Tepes(and surrounding hills) are claimed for Thyatis as well as the ruins of Rugalov ( following the Volaga up and the edges of the dymrak forest) More hatred festers in Eusebius and while Stefan has won the battle he has not won the war. Even If Thyatis wins it claims the Ruins of Rugalov and everything east of that river. If Stefan dies then Queen Prothemia rules naming Valen as her heir, If Valen dies then Adrianna still becomes the heir, If the Queen dies then Adrianna takes the throne if not then Hyrakosos, If both Adrianna die and Hyrakossos dies then Justin takes over, If only the grandchilden dont die then either (DM decides) patriarch (of the church of Karameikos) or steward of Mirros corules Karameikos with Argent till he comes of age, civil war breaks out (another Marilinev rebellion) or a new ruler steps up (i.e. Kelvin) Thats all folks! Stewart 3rd *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:54:41 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> - ----- Original Message ----- From: joyce scism > hello fellow Mystarans. > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > ye company. > May the immortals be by ye side. Just be careful of the usual Thyatian propagandists who advocate war--or no war--with Karameikos, half-elven half-faerie infiltrators with multiple personalities, Ethenagarans taking frog-based medication, lupin who prey on the young daughters of wizards, Darokinian blackmarketeers who sell religious goods to Glantrian wizards, and the occasional Valley Girl under the influence of the Curse of Chaos. :) Oh! But please do attend Princess Dolores' tea party. I hear she makes the best crumpets in all of Mystara! =) Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #392 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 393 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion Re: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion Re: [MYSTARA] - Components [was: Armor Spell and Glantri] Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos RE: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - norwold [MYSTARA] - Mystara FAQ v7.7 [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:29:39 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion From: wrote: > What, if any, religions are accepted among the vast variety of cultures > throughout the southern portion of the Known World (Karameikos and below) > that do not directly deal with Immortals? From PWA III, p. 147 "The People's Temple This rather informal pholosophy originated in Ierendi. It stresses love and generostiy with friends and neighbors, and does not require its members to honor specific Immortals or perform specific ceremonies..." I heard somewhere (MML, I think) that Diulanna once had something to do with the Ierendi and the formation of this religion, but she doesn't figure prominently now. Also, IMC, Ochalean religous tradition, which is not fully understood by the Western Known World, is a whole mix of mystic philosophy, ancestor worship, and Immortal worship, much like RWChinese who've been influenced by Taoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. I'm working on an article for the Tome of Mystara (hopefully! ;) @ Jenn), which threshes things out. IMO, the Immortals of Mystara don't mind the mortals believing in other religious philsophies, rather than focusing on worshipping them. I think the primary goal of the Immortals is to further their personal goals, not to amass the largest base of mortal followers. (Of course, having hordes of followers wouldn't hurt at all!) That's the difference between Immortals of Mystara (a.k.a. once-mortals who achieved great deeds/goals, achieved great power and Immortality, and still pursue their deeds and goal) and gods from other campaign realms. ("MWAH-HAH-HAH! Worship me, you puny mortals! I need your worship to give me power!") My two tengs worth Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph "Bah! We should spend less time grovelling at their feet, and focus our efforts into becoming more like them in power!" - --the usual response of Guillaime d'Ambreville every time his cousin Pere Simon d'Ambreville brings up the topic of the Immortals *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:30:01 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion In a message dated 1999-09-13 17:48:33 Eastern Daylight Time, Scoooman@aol.com writes: > There is a man in my party known as a Skald, and he > practices the religion of some Norse God, and I was wondering if there are > any such religions in the southern reaches? Odin and Thor are among the Immortals revered in Thyatis, so I would imagine that most of the Northern Immortals have minor followings in those nations that are not utterly dedicated to other Immortals or otherwise opposed to them. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 05:30:02 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Components [was: Armor Spell and Glantri] It is obvious that the material component for the Armor spell was devised for standard worlds and nations that had no particular problems with priests -- for them the material component would be trivial to acquire. That material component was assumed to be easy to acquire until Mystara was converted to 2d edition rules -- and then it became obvious that this spell required a degree of cooperation between wizards and priests that was inappropriate to at least one part of the setting. Given that the Armor spell would be of particular interest to Glantrian wizards, we must assume that they came up with an alternative material component that was not so objectionable philosophically. While I might quibble that 50 GP is a bit of a high price for the substitute, the general principle behind selecting such a semi-precious stone seems sound. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:41:33 -0500 (CDT) From: CronoCloud@webtv.net (Ron Rogers) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos - --WebTV-Mail-20294-5604 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Boy, Damon makes the point I was trying to make so much better. Kudos and Kopecs to Damon. Ich bin ein Karameikan. Oh if war does break out between those imperialist Thyatians and my noble Karameikan compatriots, I want a divisional command. CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) - --WebTV-Mail-20294-5604 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-4.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.55) by postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from lists.imagiconline.com (lists.imagiconline.com [204.85.32.11]) by mailsorter-102-4.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.adl.990907) with ESMTP id KAA05350; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA11349; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com) Received: by lists.imagiconline.com (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA11332 for mystara-l-outgoing; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com) Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA11327 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:03:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from habgyp@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990913170443.18673.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.182.115.153] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:04:43 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22MML=A0=5C=28post=5C=29=22?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Reply-To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com There seems to be quite a bit going around about the possibile outcome of a Thyatian invasion of Karameikos and while *any* result is completely theoretical, I am a bit bothered by some of the arguments made in favor of Thyatis "crushing" Karameikos. It seems some people out there really do not like Karameikos... Anyway, the first thing I'm concerned by is the argument that the ethnic tension in Karameikos would make them incompetent in the face of an outside threat to their sovereignty. If Thyatis were to invade Karameikos, they would be attacking 'Karamiekans' of both Traladaran & Thyatian-descent. Some people have also said that many of the Thyatian-Karameikan nobles would side with Thyatis in an invasion. My question is simple: Why? Regardless of the feelings they may have toward Stefan personally, they are all reasonable enough to understand that they have more say in the sovereignty of an independent Karameikos than in a Thyatian colony. Can you say big fish in a small pond? Besides, they left Thyatis for a reason... and those that are children of those who left seem to be following in the footsteps of their parents. The theory that the Traladarans wouldn't support the Kingdom also seems ridiculous to me. If most of them didn't like 'Stefan's Thyatian invasion', why would they like an all-out Thyatian invasion any better? At least in Karameikos they are given an opportunity to participate in the government. Even the most hard-line Traladarans will concede that Stefan gives at least lip-service to Traladaran equality. Think they'd get that as a conquered land of Thyatis? I think not... just ask the Pearl Islanders, Ochaleans, or Hinterlanders (not to mention various cultures on the Isle of Dawn). As far as the elves... I agree that the Vyalia would remain neutral(unless attacked), but the Calarii would certainly fight for Karameikos. Gaz1 & KKoA both talk about the Calarii's admiration for Stefan. Remember the Elven Guard? And forget about the nonsense of not being given their own dominion - dominions are a human concept. Stefan has let the Calarii rule themselves without interference; what do they care for titles? And as for the Alfheim refugees - oh yeah, like they're going to let someone else come in and bully them again. They're at a breaking point - they've been run out of their homeland and they're certainly not going to be conquered again without a fight. That leaves the Alphatians. Let's face it, the Alphatians would certainly blame the Thyatians as much as anyone for the sinking of their Empire. The Karamiekans stayed out of the war and were at least passively supportive of Alphatia. The Alphatian refugees aren't just going to ignore Thyatian agression in their new home. Is it realistic to say they would just up and leave if Karameikos was conquered by Thyatis? Probably not. Where are they going to go? Glantri? ;~P So as far as Karameikan resistance to Thyatis... it would be pretty heavy. That's not to say Thyatis couldn't do it; it just probably wouldn't be worth it. Afterall what would they really gain? Probably the just the emnity of *every* other nation in the Known World. Anyway, just my two Kopecs worth... auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - --WebTV-Mail-20294-5604-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:43:22 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues I heard from my sisters best friends girlfriend, that her brother, football team quaterback was at 30 flavours last night and he heard that Ferris Bueller is dying of cancer or sumthin like that. Ok i have Darokin...i'll look it up for you when i get home tonight. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 > -----Original Message----- > From: BoBoII@aol.com [SMTP:BoBoII@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 2:56 PM > To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues > > > Anybody got the Darokin Gaz.? I know Rapier stats were in there. I think > it > was also reprinted in Dragon somewhere. Anyone . . . Bueller . . . > Bueller . > . .Bueller? > ************************************************************************** > * > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:08:31 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - norwold There is, of course, the Lords of Norwold campaign, which may be found on Shawn Stanley's site (I'm starting to think we can play the Kevin Bacon game with Shawn Stanley...) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cobaye To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - norwold > yes, but it was a long tale. Before the wrath of the immortals. It was the > story of a powerfull mage, who wish to know more about radiance. > He was helped by a holly elf warrior of one of the last Vyalian clans and some > apprentices. He had good reasons to think that he could find some answers in > norwold, and he was right. he was right, yes.... > > terry abbott a écrit: > > > does anyone run a game based in norwold? > > i'd like to hear about it. > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Herve Musseau Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara FAQ v7.7 Mystara FAQ version 7.7 by Hervé Musseau The latest version of this document can be found at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/Mystara/mystfaq.txt Table of contents: Introduction to Mystara. (no updates) Geography and History of Mystara. (no updates) Personalities and Immortals of Mystara. (no updates) Miscellaneous. (7.4 removed outdated link, 7.4 updated MML figures, 7.5 added 1 shop, 7.6 added 1 shop, 7.6 updated Shawn's site URL, 7.6 updated Leroy's site URL, 7.7 added Mystara chat link) Spoiler warning: This FAQ contains information that is for the DM's eyes only. If you are a player in a Mystara campaign, by reading further you may spoil the fun of having to figure things out (especially if you read most of section 3 and part of section 4). If you intend to read the FAQ nonetheless, I advise to not read the answers before asking yourself whether you should know the answer in-game or not, and skip it if need be. Introduction to Mystara. Q: What is Mystara? A: Mystara is an imaginary world created by TSR as a campaign world for roleplaying games using the rules of Dungeons and Dragons. Q: What is a roleplaying game? A: Roleplaying games are games in which people play the role of imaginary fantastic characters like warriors or wizards and try to complete an adventure under the guidance of a game master. Q: I never heard of Mystara, but I know a setting called the Known World which looks pretty the same. What's the difference? A: Mystara got a name as a world only recently; before that, it was often referred to as the Known World, although Mystara is more than just the Known World. Geography and History of Mystara. Q: So, what's Mystara? The Known World and what else? A: Mystara is basically composed of 2 main parts, the Outer World and the Hollow World, plus 2 moons, and some other exotic settings. Q: A Hollow World? A: Yes. Mystara, unlike our earth, is hollow, an empty sphere. It has an internal sun that lights the interior world, making it inhabitable. It holds old civilizations that are now extinct on the Outer World, placed there by the Immortals with strong magic preventing them from evolving much or dying away. The only entrances to the Hollow World are through underground passages between the two worlds, and through the holes that stand in place of the north and south poles. Q: And the Outer World? A: The Outer World is mostly like our Earth. It comprises: * the Known World (now called Old World), where the most civilized countries are located, * Alphatia (only before AC 1009), * the Savage Coast and Hule, * the southern continent, called Davania, * the eastern continent, called Skothar. Q: Why is Alphatia part of Mystara only up to AC 1009? A: Because Alphatia, which is a large continent east of the Known World, sank into the ocean in AC 1009, at the end of the major event called Wrath of the Immortals. It is now a floating continent located in the Hollow World. Q: What exactly is Wrath of the Immortals? A: Wrath of the Immortals (or WotI) is an epic campaign that TSR published to update the Known World. It deals with the Great War that involves the major countries of Mystara and that was caused by the Immortals to obtain control of the Nucleus of the Spheres, a powerful artifact located under Glantri. At the end of the war, Alphatia sinks, Glantri and Thyatis have suffered dramatically from the conflict and three new powers enter the political scene of Mystara: the Heldannic Territories, the Hagiarchy of Hule and the "revamped" Kingdom of Karameikos. Q: On the continental map published in the Master DM's book, there are some empires I've never read anything about in other products and on the list, like the Empire of Dorphin IV or the Empire of the Great Khan. Do they exist? Where can I find information about these? A: The map in the Master set is "wrong, wrong, wrong!" In the series of articles written by Bruce Heard in Dragon Magazine, the first in the series (Dragon #153) explains this all. The map was released by a very imaginative Thyatian, and wrongly accepted for the truth. There is no Empire of Dorphin IV, no Empire of the Great Khan, etc. Also, as you probably guessed, the size of the Thyatian Empire was largely exaggerated on this map... Q: I've already heard of the Known World, and of the Hollow World too, but never as Mystara. What does all this mean? A: This is because Mystara is a very old world, one of the oldest created by TSR, and, as TSR grew, so did Mystara. All of these product lines are relevant to Mystara: * Mystara, of course, * the Known World and most stuff that were made for D&D (as opposed to AD&D) like these old good modules B and X, or the Gazetteers, * the Hollow World, * Red Steel/the Savage Coast, * Blackmoor. Also, some products bearing the label First Quest are related to Mystara. Q: Blackmoor? I know a Blackmoor, but it's part of Greyhawk, isn't it? A: Blackmoor was, like Greyhawk, the campaign world of one of TSR's founder, Dave Arneson. It was later placed in both Greyhawk and the Known World (as a past kingdom in the later), effectively making three Blackmoors exist. It seems there is no further relation between the two Blackmoors of Mystara and Greyhawk, however, although some people made the assumption; on the other hand, Judge's Guild's Blackmoor likely has much in common with Mystara's, as the DA series for the Known World was also written by Dave Arneson (so that JG First Fantasy Campaign is considered Mystara-relevant). Q: Where is it located? A: Blackmoor was a techno-magical kingdom that blew itself up a few millennia ago. The event shifted the planet's axis and Blackmoor is now the north pole. Sources are contradictory as to where Blackmoor stands; some place it on Brun, some on Skothar. Arguments in favor of Brun are the position of the Inn Between the Worlds and the Nucleus of the Sphere, and the fact that the Known World stands there; this is the solution proposed in some Gazetteers. Arguments in favor of Skothar are its sort of canonical status, and the feeling that all civilizations should not systematically come from the Known World; this is the solution proposed in the Hollow World box. Note that, if you consider the Hollow World solution to be the truth in your campaign, the map in the box does have a typo : the names of Blackmoor and Thonia have been reversed (Blackmoor was north of the Empire of Thonia according to all other sources). Bruce Heard's opinion on this matter : "Blackmoor -- the travelling legend. If there were archaeologist on Mystara, they would have a devil of time figuring where the darn place was really located. Officially, it's supposed to be up there by the Thonian Marches. Unfortunately, conflicting info has crept into several products, getting in the way of the Thonian theory. The best thing is to assume evidence of Blackmoor's presence elsewhere is the result of later colonizations and outposts. Other communities were also magically displaced (such as a certain ancient tavern in the Broken Lands of the Known World). Definitely a messy development of the World of Mystara! :)" So officially the answer is Skothar. Q: Ok, and now what's Red Steel? A: Red Steel is a setting that is part of Mystara (west of the Known World), although it was released as a stand-alone setting. Personalities and Immortals of Mystara. Q: I have a player of the Church of Karameikos, and I want to give him an Immortal, I suppose that it's a church with many Immortals (like the Greek / Latin church) but in Gaz 1 I didn't find any list of Immortals... A: These are the immortals of the Church of Karameikos, as told by Bruce Heard in an old Dragon Magazine: Asterius (Eternal of Thought), Leader Kagyar (Eternal of Matter) Ilsundal (Hierarch of Thought) Valerias (Hierarch of Matter) Vanya (Empyreal of Time). Also, although Chardastes is a native Traladaran Immortal, he is venerated through the auspices of the Church of Karameikos, not the Church of Traladara. This is extrapolated from info in B1-9 In Search of Adventure. The Immortals of the Church of Traladara are: Halav Petra Zirchev. Q: You spoke of Immortals, what are they? Are they Gods? Powers? A: Mystara has a different pantheon when compared to other D&D settings. Most notably, it has no gods, but beings called Immortals. Immortals are mortals who, through their deeds, have reached a higher status granting them more power than mere mortals. Basically, however, Immortals are not very different from Gods of other settings. Q: Is Jaggar von Drachenfelds the Star Dragon? A: No. According to Bruce Heard's article in Dragon #170 http://www.tsr.com/Dragon/Backissues/170jun91/170FromHatchlingTo.txt he became the Star Dragon for a brief period but relinquished the title for absolution. Q: Is Rad gone after Wrath? A: No, he's been absorbed into the Radiance, and some of his life force was used to lessen the drain of the artifact on Mystara's magic (thus there is only a Day of Dread each year, and not a week as in Wrath). Rad is not dead though, but he has been put into a slumbering state to reflect on his deeds (and hopefully change). This is covered in detail in the module Mark of Amber. Q: So is Rad back after Mark of Amber? A: The outcome of the module may vary from campaign to campaign, as the actions of the PCs decide his fate. The module's three outcomes are: 1. He returns as a mortal with no chance of being sponsored back to Immortality and no access to the Radiance (failure); 2. He returns as a mortal but can become an Immortal again sometime (normal success and most likely outcome); 3. He returns as a full Immortal (complete success). Later products avoid the issue, and the general consensus is that he should return but be left in the background, keeping low profile for some time, either rebuilding his following (if an Immortal) or attempting to reach Immortality again (if mortal). Few favor him becoming a mere mortal as most love him as an NPC. Q: Does the Radiance draw from Energy or Entropy after Wrath? A: In Wrath, the Radiance is altered to draw from Entropy instead of Energy. Yet in Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure, the rules for the Radiance are exactly the same as in Gaz3, stating that it drains from Energy. This is a mistake in G:KoM; the authors overlooked that event in Wrath and forgot to update the info from Gaz3. Thus the new rules for the Radiance are undefined, as are the effects of Entropy-draining. Various suggestion have been made on the MML, though. Q: Where is Teldon? Is he dead? A: This is a short excerpt from Dragon Magazine #207 about Teldon's fate: "One of the attractions of the Magicians' Guild, its location in Karameikos' largest city, was its downfall. Such a collection of powerful (and often egotistical or secretive) mages in one location created great potential for conflict. The final straw was the creation of a mechanical beholder by one of the more advanced apprentices, powered by an Immortal's artifact. The resulting creation was turned loose in downtown Specularum, leveling a good section of the South End. The creation was defeated by the head of the Magicians' Guild, Teldon, but at great cost. Both mage and monster disappeared in a pure white ball of fire, and while they are assumed to have both been destroyed, they may instead have been teleported to some far-off location. The fact remained that the Magicians' Guild proved itself too dangerous to remain in Specularum, and lost one of its most valuable supporters." Q: And Bargle, where is he? A: After the fall of the Black Eagle Barony, Bargle is an itinerant villain that pops up here and there. He can easily be used as a recurring villain who the PCs bump into way too often (to their taste). He has been spotted in various place, including Esterhold and Serraine (always helping the evil guys, of course), but can have business just anywhere you wish. Well, good ole Bargle. Q: Is Kol a Shadow Elf or a Kobold? A: Earlier sources always presented Kol as a kobold who, using the rules from Gaz10, could cast spells. In Glantri: Kingdom of Magic, he is said to be one of the deformed shadowelf babies raised by the humanoids, thus explaining both his high intelligence and spellcasting abilities under the AD&D rules. It is both an interesting plot, and a disappointment to many, as it removes again the humanoids any glint of chance that they can achieve something by themselves. Many people ignore that sentence in G:KoM (or ignore the box altogether, preferring good old Gaz3), and some love the potential of that plot. As always, use whatever version suits your campaign and your taste best. Miscellaneous. Q: You mentioned something about D&D not being AD&D. What does that mean? A: Mystara was the world designed to be used with the rules of D&D (often called OD&D to better distinct it from AD&D and from the generic term D&D which could mean both; OD&D stands for Old D&D or Original D&D - note that some few people call it BD&D for Basic D&D to distinguish it from even older rules). It appeared in the old boxed rules: the Expert box, the Companion box and the Master box. Most of the earlier modules designed for D&D were set in this world. Recently, however, Mystara has been converted to AD&D (along with Red Steel), but many people who play in Mystara do it with the old rules (or their reediting, Rules Cyclopedia). Q: When I read stuff about Mystara I keep seeing acronyms I cannot understand like WotI or PWA. What do they mean? A: There is a list of Mystara relevant acronyms at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/Mystara/acronyms.html Q: I heard that the Mystara line was canceled. Is this true? A: It is unfortunately true. And Red Steel is canceled too. Some novels pertaining to Mystara may be released as part of the First Quest line, and modules may be part of the Odyssey line. AFAIK, there is no such products in preparation however, though Wizards of the Coast (which bought TSR) has expressed its willingness to publish material for dead worlds, but never namely mentioned Mystara. Keep faith. Joshuan's Almanac was the last product of Mystara (to be precise the novel "The Black Vessel" has been released after, and to be even more precise it deals with the Savage Coast) and the Savages Baronies the last of Red Steel (except for online exclusives). Q: But I saw in TSR's 97 preview that there would be Red Steel modules released as online exclusive. What does this mean? A: TSR has released these modules for free on its site of MPGN at ftp://ftp.mpgn.com and http://www.tsr.com. Q: So, if TSR has dropped the line, how can I get new material for Mystara? A: There are many people on the web who love Mystara and have taken upon themselves to keep Mystara alive (and well alive). There is a mailing list dedicated to Mystara (MML) where people discuss together about it, exchanging ideas, points of view, and more. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com. In the body, have the single line: subscribe Mystara-L . It has 278 people, as of June 99. As a comparison, there are 395 people on the Realms list, TSR's flagship world (April 98). There is also the TSR Mystara Message Board (MMB) at http://tsronline.wizards.com:80/mb/system/addnewuser.shtml where discussion revolves mostly around alternate Mystaras. There are also many pages around the net dedicated to Mystara, sometimes with lots of interesting materials. Some of these pages are organized into a Webring, check http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html for info about the Mystara webring. Now more than ever you should express your views on how Mystara should be brought back at http://CWSpot.com/Mystara/SaveMystara or join the SaveMystara Writer's Group whose goal is to get as many adventures and articles to the periodicals as we can. Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara mailing list? A: The digests are collected at ftp://ftp.mpgn.com/Gaming/ADND/Worlds/Mystara/MailingListArchive/ and the oldest ones (prior to 1998) can be found at ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/mailing-lists/mystara-digest/ However for your convenience the most interesting articles the list has come up with are collected and sorted on Shawn's page at http://dnd.starflung.com Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara message board? A: There is no archiving of the board. However for your convenience the most interesting articles the board has come up with are collected and sorted on Shawn's page at http://dnd.starflung.com Q: Where can I find a complete list of the material published for Mystara? A: The most complete lists to my knowledge is at http://dnd.starflung.com/prodlist.html It includes rulebooks and modules published by TSR, Mystara-relevant Judge Guild supplements, a list of various magazine #s that contain adventures, rules or world description pertaining to Mystara, novels, TSR net resources, and Clark Ashton Smith stories related to Averoigne. All of these are ranked according to compatibility with Mystara (explicit, implicit, compatible, etc.) and the type of product (campaign source, rules supplement, adventure, etc.). The list of the Dragon magazines that mention Mystara, including the Voyage of the Princess Ark series, can be found at http://dnd.starflung.com/dragon.html . Q: And where can I buy those products? A: Since the Mystara line is out of print, it is difficult to find them. If you're lucky you can find them in any shop that sells RPG stuff, or buy second-hand books. Some places where you can find Mystara stuff on the web: http://www.dragontrove.com/listing.html http://www.titan-games.com/ http://www.hitpointe.com http://www.eskimo.com/~darkh/ http://www.ida.net/users/groverm/sleeping.dragon/sdh.html http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/index.html http://www.sagesguild.com/ http://www.crazyegors.com/ http://www.sentrybox.com/ http://members.aol.com/aleeder454/ http://www.cyberdungeon.com/store/catalogue/dungeon.html the newsgroup rec.games.frp.marketplace and I got a special page for all Mystara books at Amazon.com: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/amazon.html Q: Where can I find the FAQ for the Mystara mailing list? A: Check at http://www.lesbois.com/members/malacoda/mmlfaq.htm or http://www2.crosswinds.net/~malacoda/mmlfaq.html AFAIK there is no plain text version of this FAQ. Q: Is there a Mystara chat? A: yes: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/travelersofmystara . === ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/8932/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:01:02 -0500 From: "Albert Edward Capt. 552 CSG/SCXX" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) While reading the Hollow World Box Set and the Poor Wizard's Almanac I have come across the sentence referring to a Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands. This is always followed by the reference (X1). Now X1 is Isle of Dread, is it not? I've read through Isle of Dread and have found no mention of a Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands. There is a 1 sentence blurb on the Broken Lands, but it is hardly worth referencing. What is up with this (X1) reference? ASEO out *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] >In order for an average character to gain access to this information, he >should either have the appropriate skill (indicating that he has spent time reading in the archives that contain the information) or shell out several hundred gold pieces for a copy of, say, the "Skotharian almanac", which will contain much useful information but be perhaps 50-100 years out of date. Good idea! How about this for a skill: Research (INT): This skill allows a person to peruse vast quatities of information in relatively little time in search of a certain fact or piece of information. This researchers must know what he or she is seeking beforehand, and must be able to clearly state to the DM what the object of their search happens to be. The amount of information gained is dependent on the degree of success (or failure) of the roll. Succeeding by a considerable margin indicates that the researcher has managed to uncover more information than expected, while a failure indicates an inability to find anything. Users of this skill should keep in mind, however, that successful checks do not guarantee accurate information; if the subject being researched is obscure, the probability that information related to it is inaccurate or highly speculative is likely. DMs may, at their discretion, give this skill to all spellcasters for free. Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #393 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. From: owner-mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com (mystara-digest) To: mystara-digest@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: mystara-digest V1999 #394 Reply-To: mystara@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Errors-To: owner-mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Precedence: bulk mystara-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 394 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard RE: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club [MYSTARA] - ToM: Last Call Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: RE: Site update] Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990914012652.DNCT20968@12.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:29:29 -0500 From: SB Wilson Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) >While reading the Hollow World Box Set and the Poor Wizard's Almanac I have >come across the sentence referring to a Blackmoor device buried in the >Broken Lands. This is always followed by the reference (X1). Now X1 is >Isle of Dread, is it not? I've read through Isle of Dread and have found no >mention of a Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands. There is a 1 >sentence blurb on the Broken Lands, but it is hardly worth referencing. > >What is up with this (X1) reference? I may be wrong on this, but I always thought the reference was to the map of the Known World in X1 - to show where this "Broken Lands" place is. The map could only be found there and in the Expert boxed set (and I think X1 was included in the boxed set...?), so why they would reference X1 and not the Expert set is beyond me. Still, that is the only explanation I could find for that (because I wondered the same thing as you for a long time). SB Wilson sbwilson@kvalley.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:01:30 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard In a message dated 9/12/99 2:39:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dooley@cableinet.co.uk writes: << There probably will not be a westward expansion for one simple reason, ADVENTURERS. Thyatian army steamrollers into Karameikos = Thyatian senators expiring in their villas. Then said villas burning to the ground. How can you fight a war against an enemy without leadership or supplies. The ratio would probably be about one party of median level adventurers (9th-15th depending on magic items) per Imperial cohort. Obviously it's almost impossible to kill the Emperor, but some judicious weeding of the lower ranks will do the job just as well. Butcher the officers messily and see how soon they are replaced ,and with what calibre of men. Use those fireballs where they'll do the most good, destroy their supplies (preferably in full view of the enemy) >> Well yes and no. Yes in that adventurers can do alot for an army. In a battle a mid to high level PC could lay waste to a Banner or two before falling. Of course one would expect the PCs to take damage. Realistically a PC would not last long under a concerted attck by a platoon, either being overwhelmed or sucumming to fatigue. Then there are attacks such as coming under fire from a volley of arrows or crossbow bolts or having to face a pikewall. Spellcasting PCs may find their casting disrupted by the distractions and chaos of battle. However game mechanics-wise a PC could whether out numerous missile hits to resemble the proverbial PC pin cushion. No in that their actions would be decisive in the war. Personally i'd keep PCs out of wars...at least to the extent where they decide the ultimate outcome. Remember that Thyatis also can draw upon a legion of adventurer types. And what a better breeding ground for PCs than the Imperial Territories. Also such PC strikes would....at least by modern moralities....draw discontnent from nations that may be sympathetic towards underdog Karameikos being invaded. Of course smilar actions by Thyatis would hardly count as they are seen as being sinister and cunning. However I do applaud anyone that goes to lengths to avoid portraying battles as just lining up their armies and hitting the paper and dice to decide outcome. Logistics and manuever are the real keys to a proper portrayal of battle. Likewise they can provide surprising victories for smaller forces. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:48:59 +0300 From: Solmyr of the Azure Star Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard redrobyne wrote: > > Vyalia wouldn't care the least being a reclusive type and all let alone The Vyalia are reclusive in Karameikos and shoot everyone they find, goblin or human. The Vyalia in Thyatis work closely with humans (teach the Foresters, have their own County which is a vassal of the Emperor, etc). Telling, no? - -- ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:35:09 -0500 From: "Albert Edward Capt. 552 CSG/SCXX" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) >I may be wrong on this, but I always thought the reference was to the map >of the Known World in X1 - to show where this "Broken Lands" place is. The >map could only be found there and in the Expert boxed set (and I think X1 >was included in the boxed set...?), so why they would reference X1 and not >the Expert set is beyond me. Still, that is the only explanation I could >find for that (because I wondered the same thing as you for a long time). >SB Wilson >sbwilson@kvalley.com Is the Broken Lands not shown on any other map? X1 seems a strange place to reference since the Broken Lands appear on the map only incidentally and have absolutely nothing to do with the adventure. ASEO out *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:11:19 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device buried in the Broken Lands (X1) >Is the Broken Lands not shown on any other map? X1 seems a strange place to >reference since the Broken Lands appear on the map only incidentally and >have absolutely nothing to do with the adventure. Perhaps the continental map is Map #1 in the Expert rulebook? I don't have it handy, but that would be my initial thought. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:15:27 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) >I was thinking about all this Karameikos stuff and here is my conclusion >that is set up as a ruff adventure for somewhat high (5th lvl) characters >who want to do some hack and slash: I like this for the most part, although I still don't think Eusebius is as foolish as you make him sound. Perhaps a small detachment might be the initial invasion force, but it would be backed up with more troops following. And I don't think Kelvin would switch sides just because of assasinations--he's never seemed the romantic type and is unlikely to jeopardize his future just to save the royal family. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:44:20 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos > Oh if war does break out between those imperialist Thyatians and my > noble Karameikan compatriots, I want a divisional command. > > CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) > Yawn! If war does break out between Thyatis and Karameikos, I'm sure my Glantrian spies would have known of it months before it actually happens. :) Meanwhile, Princess Dolores and I will be having tea. ;P Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:26:48 From: "katri w" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - A question of religion > Kaviyd@aol.com kirjoitti: > > In a message dated 1999-09-13 17:48:33 Eastern Daylight Time, > Scoooman@aol.com writes: > > > There is a man in my party known as a Skald, and he > > practices the religion of some Norse God, and I was wondering if there are > > any such religions in the southern reaches? > > Odin and Thor are among the Immortals revered in Thyatis, so I would imagine > that most of the Northern Immortals have minor followings in those nations > that > are not utterly dedicated to other Immortals or otherwise opposed to them. > and from those 2 gods, Odin is the natural choice for a skald... after all.. Odin seduced beautiful giantess Gunlod and thus were able to drink the mead of inspiration (that Gunlod's father had hide in her cave), he gained the gifts of music an poetry, which he gave to his son Bragi, who was the result of Odin's 3 days long marriage with Gunlod.. huh Odin... the wisest of the gods of Asgard and a womanizer... :o) - -- "If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." (Tweedledee) ______________________________________________________ 100 000 uutta ystävää. Artic. http://www.artic.net/ads/go.cgi?go=124&r=email *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:36:03 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club What happened? It was working for a day, and now I'm getting error messages that say the club doesn't exist. Anyone know what's up? The chat room wasn't working earlier this morning, and now the whole club seems to have vanished. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:48:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club >What happened? It was working for a day, and > now I'm getting error messages that say the > club doesn't exist. Anyone know what's up? > The chat room wasn't working earlier this > morning, and now the whole club seems to > have vanished. The chat room (at least the html client) has been down since last night. I was at the club page about an hour ago, no problem, but now I'm getting the "club doesn't exist" message too. Ironically, it's just under the frame that says the club _does_ exist, so I'll just chalk it up to yet another problem with Yahoo. Don't panic yet. Jenn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:51:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: [MYSTARA] - ToM: Last Call Hi everyone, Just to let everyone know, this is the "last call" for articles, adventures, columns, and artwork for Tome of Mystara e-zine's first issue. If you're working on a submission, please get it in! Issue #1 will be available October 1st (Immortals willing;) Jenn Tome of Mystara Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club OK, this driving me crazy... I can get to the site I just can't access anything. I've tried joining twice now and I still haven't been sent an e-mail. The ironic thing about it is that my e-mail is thru yahoo(!), so I don't understand what the @#$%!! problem is! - --- Jenn wrote: > >What happened? It was working for a day, and > > now I'm getting error messages that say the > > club doesn't exist. Anyone know what's up? > > The chat room wasn't working earlier this > > morning, and now the whole club seems to > > have vanished. > > The chat room (at least the html client) has been > down since last night. > I was at the club page about an hour ago, no > problem, but now I'm > getting the "club doesn't exist" message too. > Ironically, it's just > under the frame that says the club _does_ exist, so > I'll just chalk it > up to yet another problem with Yahoo. Don't panic > yet. > > Jenn > > === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:25:51 +0100 From: Flossy Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club Having the same problem myself! I'm also using yahoo mail! Flossy Damon Brown wrote: > OK, this driving me crazy... I can get to the site I just can't > access anything. I've tried joining twice now and I still haven't been > sent an e-mail. The ironic thing about it is that my e-mail is thru > yahoo(!), so I don't understand what the @#$%!! problem is! > > --- Jenn wrote: > > >What happened? It was working for a day, and > > > now I'm getting error messages that say the > > > club doesn't exist. Anyone know what's up? > > > The chat room wasn't working earlier this > > > morning, and now the whole club seems to > > > have vanished. > > > > The chat room (at least the html client) has been > > down since last night. > > I was at the club page about an hour ago, no > > problem, but now I'm > > getting the "club doesn't exist" message too. > > Ironically, it's just > > under the frame that says the club _does_ exist, so > > I'll just chalk it > > up to yet another problem with Yahoo. Don't panic > > yet. > > > > Jenn > > > > > > === > If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:59:47 -0400 (EDT) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: RE: Site update] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'au998@freenet.carleton.ca'") Subject: RE: Site update Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:46:31 -0400 > Hello all, > > Just another note to say my site has been updated again - the latest > installment of my campaign journal, in which the party meets Tosti Ulfson, > famed warrior of Vestland, is now available on my Geocities site. > > Geoff > - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:13:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club >I'm also using yahoo mail! Yahoo ail also appears to be having problems right now; I tested out a forms page I was setting up. It sent just fine to my address, but never arrived at the Yahoo address. My point is, it's Yahoo's (temporary) problem, just wait them out. Jenn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:12:52 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> pour faire plaisir aux bretons je vais dire quelques mots en français.Mais nos autres amis, ceux qui ne parlent pas le dialecte d'Averoigne vont vite se sentir exclus.Moi g appris l'anglais grace à D&D car une fois lus tous les modules et toutes les regles en francais, j'ai bien été obligé de me mettre à lire l'anglais.Et maintenant je fais une license d'anglais. Voilà. Que tous ceux qui comprennent le francais (meme imparfaitement) envoient un mail de confirmation pour que nous ayions une idée du nombre de francophones/francophiles. thib. Cobaye a écrit: > Salut, Joyce.......Hi, Joyce > Bienvenue....... Welcome > ( simple but, gosh, my english is so poor, that i don't want to make more > mistakes ) > So have a good time and feel free to ask about everything you want to know, and > give us your suggestions of all you think fair to talk about. > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans lines, even if (in my opinion), > there's not enough french. > a+ > Fred"Cobaye"DeLaval > > joyce scism a écrit: > > > hello fellow Mystarans. > > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > > ye company. > > May the immortals be by ye side. > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:22:41 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... In a message dated 13/09/99 21:00:54 GMT Daylight Time, sg96d355@drexel.edu writes: > Avast, maties! We've another sea dog in the water! "Avast! Avast!" "What is?" "I dunno, but it's pretty big!!" So sorry, forgot where I was for a second....;-) > Welcome aboard, Joyce. Always happy to see new folks floating...I mean > sailing in our waters. Likewise. Welcome, Joyce. Enjoy the ride. Oh, and Frobozz? I think the Eypatch and hook are just simply *you*.... Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:22:55 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Yahoo Mystara club In a message dated 14/09/99 18:28:59 GMT Daylight Time, michael.jones@diamond.co.uk writes: > Having the same problem myself! > > I'm also using yahoo mail! > > Flossy Well, I got in okay using AOL last night.... Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:22:51 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990914012652.DNCT20968@12.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... In a message dated 14/09/99 08:03:30 GMT Daylight Time, iago-tcotc@worldnet.att.net writes: > Avast ye dogs! Hmm...another of "Iago's" split-personalities making an appearance....which is real? ;-) Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Yeah, what he said and stuff. - --- thibault sarlat wrote: > pour faire plaisir aux bretons je vais dire quelques > mots en français.Mais nos > autres amis, ceux qui ne parlent pas le dialecte > d'Averoigne vont vite se sentir > exclus.Moi g appris l'anglais grace à D&D car une > fois lus tous les modules et > toutes les regles en francais, j'ai bien été obligé > de me mettre à lire > l'anglais.Et maintenant je fais une license > d'anglais. > Voilà. > Que tous ceux qui comprennent le francais (meme > imparfaitement) envoient un mail de > confirmation pour que nous ayions une idée du nombre > de francophones/francophiles. > > thib. > === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:08:26 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) > I like this for the most part, Thankyou although I still don't think Eusebius is as > foolish as you make him sound. Perhaps a small detachment might be the > initial invasion force, but it would be backed up with more troops > following. Yes he would once he would I agree and this is just a sketch not a drought out and fully thought of adventure. And I don't think Kelvin would switch sides just because of > assasinations--he's never seemed the romantic type and is unlikely to > jeopardize his future just to save the royal family. > I think he would for Adrianna but thats IMC. Also I made it so there is at least some way of Karameikos of being destroyed of course if your playing Thyatian then there is of course playable to make sure Karameikos is conquered. By the way thinking of all this stuff reminds me to ask has anyone made a map of Fort Doom or simply Halag (or varient there of) or would some one be willing perhaps one of our lists gifted cartographers? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:12:59 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard > The Vyalia are reclusive in Karameikos and shoot everyone they find, > goblin or human. > The Vyalia in Thyatis work closely with humans (teach the Foresters, > have their own County which is a vassal of the Emperor, etc). > Thats what I meant the ones in Karameikos, everyone for some reason thinks all these elves are going to pop out the wood to save Stefan a mere child in the lives of elves who see empires rise and fall before there very eyes. Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:13:58 +0100 From: "Hoddie" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) > By the way thinking of all this stuff reminds me to ask has anyone made a > map of Fort Doom or simply Halag (or varient there of) or would some one be > willing perhaps one of our lists gifted cartographers? Fort Doom and Luln were mapped out (only partly I think) in DDA3 Eye of Traldar. Good place as any to start out. Hoddie *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:40:58 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> > Just be careful of the usual Thyatian propagandists who advocate war--or no > war--with Karameikos, half-elven half-faerie infiltrators with multiple > personalities, Ethenagarans taking frog-based medication, lupin who prey on > the young daughters of wizards, Darokinian blackmarketeers who sell > religious goods to Glantrian wizards, and the occasional Valley Girl under > the influence of the Curse of Chaos. :) > > Oh! But please do attend Princess Dolores' tea party. I hear she makes the > best crumpets in all of Mystara! > =) > Oh quite true and don't forget that: Ethengar is a principality of Glantri and Glantri is a dominion of Ethengar (don't ask me ask Jamuga) But have you havn't lived till you've had Princess Dolores's cream puff pastry there so light and airy! ;-p Stewart 3rd *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard - --- Patrick Sullivan wrote: > "civil-war/Inquisition"? I understand that most of > the Karameikos-defending > is based more on wishful thinking than reality, and > it's really kind of a > moot point since Mystara isn't likely to ever again > be published, but I > personally don't consider affinity for a setting to > be adequate reason to > save it from realism (even Graakhalia, the single > greatest loss of WotI). > I disagree here. I think that affinity for a setting should be the single *most* important reason for saving it. The thing that I think we need to keep in mind is that above all else is that xD&D is a game and Mystara is a game-setting. While I agree that's it very important to try and maintain a certain amount of realism, I don't think it should be maintained at the expense of having fun. Sure, if this was a wargame/strategy simulation, I would agree that realism would take precedence over all else. But this is *fantasy* role-playing after all. Also, keep in mind that Karameikos is pretty much the only traditional medieval-xD&D style setting left in Mystara. Personally, I think that it's a great option to be able to start PCs there so that they can be introduced to Mystara with some familiar elements. After getting a feel for Karameikos, they can explore the rest of the Known World and see Mystara's diversity(one of its greatest strengths, IMO) with something to compare it to. If we take away Karameikos, I think we're losing some of that diversity. Obviously, everyone's campaign is going to be unique and I'm certainly not saying that someone shouldn't get rid of *any* element of the setting if suits the campaign. I'm just advocating that we keep Karameikos around from the semi-official perspective (read: the ongoing PWA's, etc). Anyway, not trying to ruffle any feathers. In fact, I think that those who've been advocating a shakeup in the Kingdom have made several logical arguments as to why it could happen. I'm just trying to lobby for the preservation of one of my favorite nations. After all, we've already lost Alfheim & Alphatia to WotI... "Can't we all just get along?" ;~P auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #394 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 395 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: [MYSTARA] - Traldarans vs Thyatians [MYSTARA] - list of games if Hasbro was taken over by Wizards of the Coast: Re: [MYSTARA] - ToM: Last Call Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - Sylvan Realm? Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) [MYSTARA] - Karameikos [MYSTARA] - Demons on Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... RE: [MYSTARA] - The Myterious patron Re: [MYSTARA] - The Myterious patron Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - ToM: Last Call [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: RE: Site update] Re: [MYSTARA] - The lurker leaves the attic... Re: [MYSTARA] - Karameikos and maps [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 [MYSTARA] - Alphatian Arts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:03:50 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Traldarans vs Thyatians It seems that the Traldarans are often neglected. The Traldarans do not appreciated being subjugated by the Thyatians. Nor do they appreciate the Barons appointed by Duke Stefan, whom have displaced them off of their lands. (Reference: GAZ1) To fund an army, one needs to have taxes, and with a fuedal system, everyone is most likely overtaxing the peasants already and pocketing the extra money. Once tax demands are increased, the Traldarans will be little more than slaves. The Traldarans greatly out number the Thyatians, which is a constant worry for Duke Stefan (Reference: GAZ1). There is a strong possibility for a revolt, if somehow the peasantry is trained (perhaps Player involvement). Now that the political arena has changed, the Traldaran leaders of a revolt may get support from the Thyatian government. With magical assistance from Alphatia, and the build of up armies from Duke Stefan, Karameikos would prove difficult to reconquer, and would weaken the overall empire. This would be done anyhow, because Thyatis could not tolerate a back-door enemy. Most likely, the Thyatians would covertly fund and support a coup within Karameikos. Perhaps this both involves bribing corruptable Barons (everyone has a price) and training the peasantry to revolt. The players would be involved in either way. Do the players sympathize with the Traldarans plight for freedom and liberation. Or do the players support the noble King Stefan Karameikos, in his plight to forge a kingdom (somtimes towards the benefit of Traldarans). Either way, there is no one clear direction, as people must eventually suffer and succeed on both sides. But a plot such as this would involve just about every faction within Karameikos. Food for thought. regards, Joaquin Menchaca PS - Jokingly as a request: Don't ignore the Traldarans. They are people too. HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Je ne sais Rob Subject: [MYSTARA] - list of games if Hasbro was taken over by Wizards of the Coast: 1. The Game Of Life--In HELL! 2. Magic, the Operation 3. Battleship Pokemon 4. D&D Droid Factory 5. Super-Soaking Gelatinous Cube 6. White Dragon Sno-Cone Machine 7. Tonka Catapult 8. Ouija, the supplement 9. Command and Conquer Boot Hill 10. Monopoly, Borderlands edition 11. Keep on the Candylands 12. Assault on the Aerie of the Weebles 13. A Pound Puppy in Hell 14. Mystery Date--With Gary Gygax 15. Connect 4 Planes of Alignment 16. Battleship, the Gathering 17. Pente of Horrors 18. The Lost City of Millebornes 19. Beanie Babies & Demigods 20. Not a Game--Like Monopoly 21. The Anson Maddocks Etch-a-Sketch 22. Othello, the trading card game 23. Speak & Spell 24. My Little Halfling 25. The Tomb of Cuddly Things 26. Treasure Type M Operation 27. Raggedy Ann & Magic-User/Thief 28. Berzerker Barbie 29. Chutes & Dungeons & Dragons 30. Hungry Hungry Hippogriff When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the world, he replied, ``To thicken the plot.'' "Computers are useless; they can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso "I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet, but I haven't got my orders decoded yet." William S. Burroughs Robert Fernandez "Plays Well With Others" rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu AIM: Gamaliel8 http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~rfernand ICQ: 37895987 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:05:20 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ToM: Last Call Cannot open URL. I would like to contribute a Selenii clan perhaps for a future article. I'm working with PC1 and other material as well as home grown ideas. I might add some detail on the Unseelie cout. - -- On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:51:12 Jenn wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Just to let everyone know, this is the "last call" for articles, >adventures, columns, and artwork for Tome of Mystara e-zine's first >issue. If you're working on a submission, please get it in! > >Issue #1 will be available October 1st (Immortals willing;) > > >Jenn > >Tome of Mystara Homepage: >http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:01:41 +0300 From: Solmyr of the Azure Star Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard redrobyne wrote: > > Thats what I meant the ones in Karameikos, everyone for some reason thinks > all these elves are going to pop out the wood to save Stefan a mere child in > the lives of elves who see empires rise and fall before there very eyes. > True. The Vyalia (if they are going to get involved at all) are more likely to help Thyatis, seeing as some of them have a good working relationship with Thyatians. Certainly the elves of County of Vyalia would help Thyatis. - -- ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:11:34 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Sylvan Realm? Do you mean Alfheim or DreamLand? - -- On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:56:10 Scoooman wrote: >um, i'm trying to get back to some friends up towards the sylvan realm, and i >can't really find the sylvan map among my collection. does anyone have a map >of the sylvan realms to which i so dearly call home? it would greatly be >appreciated, and help me to not get lost and end up in glantri :: shudders :: >again. > >Meltheim the Shadowstalker > Infiltrator to the Immortals > Devotee of Fate > Eyes of the Starwatcher > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:50:22 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) you mean the immediate region surrounding halag? or the town itself? redrobyne a écrit: > > I like this for the most part, > > Thankyou > > although I still don't think Eusebius is as > > foolish as you make him sound. Perhaps a small detachment might be the > > initial invasion force, but it would be backed up with more troops > > following. > > Yes he would once he would I agree and this is just a sketch not a drought > out and fully thought of adventure. > > And I don't think Kelvin would switch sides just because of > > assasinations--he's never seemed the romantic type and is unlikely to > > jeopardize his future just to save the royal family. > > > > I think he would for Adrianna but thats IMC. Also I made it so there is at > least some way of Karameikos of being destroyed of course if your playing > Thyatian then there is of course playable to make sure Karameikos is > conquered. > > By the way thinking of all this stuff reminds me to ask has anyone made a > map of Fort Doom or simply Halag (or varient there of) or would some one be > willing perhaps one of our lists gifted cartographers? > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:16:29 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Karameikos Hey. Could you do Karameikos Map? I'm using this in my campaign, and a map such as this would be most welcomed. Also, other maps I'm interested in is the 1.) Thyatis mainland, 2.) Five Shires, and 3.) Ylaruam. HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:42:56 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: [MYSTARA] - Demons on Mystara The mention of Razrog and Itheldown on the list recently, as well as some things I'm doing with Immortals, has spurred this observation- The Demons from the Gold Box Immortals set are so much more powerful than either the AD&D 2nd Edition Demons/Tanar'ri or even the "Fiends" from the WotI boxed set. I was curious as to what others do with this information in their campaign worlds. Personally, I sort of prefer the stronger demons of the original Immortals set, but they do seem a bit overpowered for mortal level campaigns (even Masters level campaigns). The original reasoning, of course, was that they *were* the Immortals of Entropy, or at least were the majority of them with a few individual Entropics (such as Orcus and Demogorgon, both high level Eternals) having less 'generic' traits. However, I can see where that idea may have been discarded, both for purposes of individualizing the Entropic Immortals, and to allow more use for the Demons/Fiends in mortal level campaigns. I would be interested in hearing other thoughts on the roles of those demons, their power levels, and (perhaps) how the 2nd Edition Planescape stuff (Blood War, Tanar'ri and Baatezu, etc) have been adopted/adapted for individual Mystaran campaigns. - ----- Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen Aspiring screenwriter, actor, and gadabout jsmill@wans.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:54:15 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) > Fort Doom and Luln were mapped out (only partly I think) in DDA3 Eye of > Traldar. Good place as any to start out. Why thankyou Hoddie. I am still asking if a nice mr. mapper would map one for me though or for the list or what ever. This also brings to mind has Rifflian been mapped out either? Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 CQuaif@aol.com wrote: > Oh, and Frobozz? I think the Eypatch and hook are just simply *you*.... Oh? Do tell. Thanks, I think, Carl. ;-) Ya bilgerat! - --peg-leg Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:28:16 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - The Myterious patron Anyone have any idea who the mystery creator of the Mystara yahoo club is? I know your out there...just keep grinning :) Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:00:43 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Myterious patron > Anyone have any idea who the mystery creator of the Mystara yahoo club is? > I know your out there...just keep grinning :) > > Jason Murphy Mysterious patron? *SHUDDER* Me smells a trap... and maybe crumpets... :) Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph "And that is why Prince Malachie du Marais sent me, Princess Dolores, to discover the mysterious patron of Prince Innocenti, Prince Kol, and M'sieur Henri d'Ambreville. By the way, I must say, these crumpets are indeed tasty!" - --final words of a DDC dipolomat who was a bit too candid and a bit to naive of the Glantrian ways *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:29:39 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Ben, déja, y'a moi. thibault sarlat a écrit: > pour faire plaisir aux bretons je vais dire quelques mots en français.Mais nos > autres amis, ceux qui ne parlent pas le dialecte d'Averoigne vont vite se sentir > exclus.Moi g appris l'anglais grace à D&D car une fois lus tous les modules et > toutes les regles en francais, j'ai bien été obligé de me mettre à lire > l'anglais.Et maintenant je fais une license d'anglais. > Voilà. > Que tous ceux qui comprennent le francais (meme imparfaitement) envoient un mail de > confirmation pour que nous ayions une idée du nombre de francophones/francophiles. > > thib. > > Cobaye a écrit: > > > Salut, Joyce.......Hi, Joyce > > Bienvenue....... Welcome > > ( simple but, gosh, my english is so poor, that i don't want to make more > > mistakes ) > > So have a good time and feel free to ask about everything you want to know, and > > give us your suggestions of all you think fair to talk about. > > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans lines, even if (in my opinion), > > there's not enough french. > > a+ > > Fred"Cobaye"DeLaval > > > > joyce scism a écrit: > > > > > hello fellow Mystarans. > > > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > > > ye company. > > > May the immortals be by ye side. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > -- > Thibault Sarlat > ICQ 16622177. > Check out my sites : > The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi > Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi > And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:34:03 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - ToM: Last Call On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Mr. Darknerd wrote: > Cannot open URL. I would like to contribute a Selenii clan perhaps for a future article. I'm working with PC1 and other material as well as home grown ideas. I might add some detail on the Unseelie cout. Try http://www.geocities.com/timessquare/bridge/3081. Send your article to mystaratome@yahoo.com. We'll gladly review it, but it needs to be by the end of the week. Thanks. Kevin for Tome of Mystara ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:27:33 -0500 From: "Albert Edward Capt. 552 CSG/SCXX" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device OK, so the reference to X1 is only for the broken lands. Is there any information anywhere else that discusses this buried Blackmoor device? ASEO out *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:30:13 From: "katri w" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: RE: Site update] it was same time cool and creepy to read what happened to the PC who has been quite essential part of my campaing so many years. our little 'hird' will miss that badsmelling (he refuses to wash himself because its unhealthy), howling and violent killing-machine Tosti Ulfson... (just don't let him drink too much bad ale in local Hammer&Shield, he is sometimes too eager to start a brawl) > > Hello all, > > > > Just another note to say my site has been updated again - the latest > > installment of my campaign journal, in which the party meets Tosti > Ulfson, > > famed warrior of Vestland, is now available on my Geocities site. > > > > Geoff > > - -- KATRI "If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." (Tweedledee) ______________________________________________________ Artic. Virtual community. http://www.artic.net/ads/go.cgi?go=112&r=email *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:36:07 -0300 From: Victor Caminha Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The lurker leaves the attic... >Don't bother to defend us: we're really crazy :-) Hmm..wonder if the Almanac's Special Designing Room has nice white and cushioned walls ;-) > >'Brizio, who has over 20 days of unread MML messages... :-( >Does this sound familiar to you, Victor? :-) Oh, Yeah :-) []s Victor Caminha "Receive the bounty of your hero's deed Tainting thy life by the gift of the dead Eternally running from a priestly bead Unable to bear the Orb in your head You'll walk in the darkness so alluring Without Hope to cleanse your sin Away from the joy of the living Forever to serve your Twin" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:48:53 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Karameikos and maps It's funny because i just updated a 8 miles per hex map of those regions( except for mainland thyatis and eastern ylaruam but i will do that for you soon since i intend to remake the TM1 and TM2 maps in order to link the KW with the Isle of dawn and then link it with Norwold and all this in 8 miles per hex .My new method allow me to have maps of a better quality than before.The map is intitled Known world (8 miles per hex) and its name is kw1.gif (note that the thumbnail has not been updated but i gonna do it now).The new technique used to draw rivers and roads on the map is less angular than the one integrated in Grid Cartography.The augmentation in weight of the maps is worth it because of the improvement in quality. Mr. Darknerd a écrit: > Hey. Could you do Karameikos Map? I'm using this in my campaign, and a map such as this would be most welcomed. > > Also, other maps I'm interested in is the 1.) Thyatis mainland, 2.) Five Shires, and 3.) Ylaruam. > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:47:21 -0700 From: Richard Drozdik Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 At 01:54 PM 14/09/99 , you wrote: >> Fort Doom and Luln were mapped out (only partly I think) in DDA3 Eye of >> Traldar. Good place as any to start out. > >Why thankyou Hoddie. I am still asking if a nice mr. mapper would map one >for me though or for the list or what ever. This also brings to mind has >Rifflian been mapped out either? There is a map of Riffliam included in B10. But personally, I don't think that it's very good. Richard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:16:29 -0600 From: jtcalvin@us.ibm.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Alphatian Arts Here is my take on the Alphatian Arts. Inspired by posts I read on the MMB a while back. The Alphatian Arts Alphatians have always been very particular about their magical arts. During the dawn of the empire on faraway, and now long destroyed, Alphatia, the Alphatians argued and fought over which of the Arts is the most powerful. Although the Alphatian Arts are not secretive, as the Glantrian Crafts are, the wizards who practice them have taken steps to insure that only followers of an Art may utilize its powers to the fullest. One of the steps that they have taken is the Bonding. Each of the Arts have their own unique rituals and magical items that they use in the Bonding process. A Bonded individual can avoid all, or most, of the harmful side effects which may accompany casting a particular spell (details are provided in the spell description). Bonding is a painful process which results in the loss of 4 hit points permanently. Individuals may choose to be Bonded by another Art after their first Bonding, but only one Bond can ever be in effect. Those who Bond again do not regain hit points lost in previous rituals, and will loose an additional 4 hit points for a new Bonding. Zypher Mages This sect of the ancient Followers of the Air, focusses their talents on raw and untaimed wind magics. Their philosophy is in direct conflict with that of the Mages of the Wing. The Bonding ritual of Zypher Mages involves the incorporation of a small, 1 hit dice, air elemental into the body of the mage. This gives the mage the ability to lightly shift the air around his personal body. This ability requires little concentration, and can be done at will constantly throughout the day. Zypher Mages always look slightly disheveled. Their hair is uncombed, and their garments are tousled, as if they have been blown about by a strong wind. Wind Sound Level : 2 Range : 50' per level of the caster Duration : 1 turn Effect : Carries distant sounds to the caster on the wind. This spell can only be cast where there is a breeze. Once cast, the mage can hear distant sounds as if they were made right next to him. The sounds are carried to the mage by the wind, and therefore only sounds that are up wind can be heard. All sounds that are up wind of the caster are heard with an equal intensity once they reach him. It may be difficult for the caster to distinguish which sounds were made where, and by whom. Sounds that are down wind will never reach the caster. The sound does not reach the caster immediatly. It travels at the speed of the wind carrying it. Bonded Zypher mages can easily seperate out the sounds that they recieve using this spell. With concentration they can also allow others in their near vicinity to hear the sounds as well. Wind Voice Level : 2 Range : 50' per level of the caster Duration : 1 turn Effect : Sends sounds made by the caster to distant places. This spell can only be cast where there is a breeze. Once cast, the mage can send his voice , or other sounds, in the direction of the wind. Anyone along the path of the breeze will hear the sounds as if they were made right next to him. The full sound is carried until the breeze stops, or has reached the maximum distance of the spell. The sound does not reach its targets immediatly. It travels only as fast as the wind carrying it. Bonded Zypher mages can vary the intensity of the sounds as they travel through the wind. They could thus enable one individual to hear the sounds, while preventing another individual down wind from hearing them. Conjur Friendly Elemental Level : 3 Range : 0 Duration : 3 rounds + 1 round per every 2 levels of the caster Effect : Summons a friendly air elemental. This spell summons a small, friendly air elemental. The elemental is 2 + 1d4 hit dice strong. It can be given simple commands, and will follow them to the best of its abilities. Bonded Zypher Mages need not maintain concentration to keep the elemental under control. They may move freely, cast other spells, and even engage in combat without any ill effects. Mages of the Wing This sect of the ancient Followers of the Air, focusses their talents on harnessing the power of air magics. They most often do this by using some device as an object to channel their powers through. Their philosophy is in direct conflict with that of the Zypher Mages. The Bonding ritual of the Mages of the Wing requires that the Bonded mage create a minor artiface capable of containing a small 1 hit dice air elemental. The mage then uses a portion of his own life force to merge the item and the air elemental together. The mage must have this item on his person to recieve the benifits of his Bonding. If the item is ever lost, then the mage must perform another Bonding ritual or loose all of the benifits of his order. Mages of the Wing are a fastidious lot, and are always very presentable. Their clothes flap and wave in the breeze, but are never disheveled. Their hair is neatly trimmed and always in place. Minor Enchantment of Wings Level : 2 Range : touch Duration : 2 rounds + 1 round per every 2 levels of the caster Effect : Enchant a minor object with the ability to fly. With this spell the caster enchants a minor, non-magical, object weighing less that 20 coins with the ability to fly. The object will move around on it's own, behaving as a small bird might. When left unattended, the object may become erratic and move to hinder or attack the caster or anyone else in its path. Attacks made by a non-weapon object cause 1 hit point of damage. Those made by enchanted weapons can do up to half of their maximum normal damage. Bonded Mages of the Wing can control the object with continuous concentration. Concentration can be regained if it is lost with no ill effects. Major Enchantment of Wings Level : 3 Range : touch Duration : 1 turn Effect : Enchant an object with the ability to fly. This spell actually summans an air elemental and binds it to a target object. The object then gains all of the elemental's movement and attack statistics, but maintains its own hit points and saving throws. The object can weigh between 20 and 100 coins. It will do the caster's bidding as long as constant concentration is kept on it. If the mage looses his concentration the object will turn on him and attack. Bonded Mages of the Wing need not maintain their concentration on the elemental. Their control over the object is not complete however. They must issue verbal commands to the object, which it will obey to the best of its abilities. Many Mages of the Wing keep an object on their persons, designed especially for this spell. Clockwork Bird Level : 5 Range : 0 Duration : permanent Effect : Create a construct in the form of a bird. This spell is the culmination of much research and preparation. The mage must first design and construct a clockwork bird from scratch. The components for the bird should cost no less that 10,000 gp and may be the object of several quests. Once the bird is constructed, the mage must prepair it for enchantment. Preparation takes two weeks of uninterupted time. At the end of that time the enchantment is cast. The clockwork bird is imbued with the life force of an air elemental, and becomes the mage's familiar. The bird will perform any task that is asked of it, to the best of its abilities. With concentration, the mage can contact the bird, see what it sees, and hear what it hears. The mage does not control the bird directly, but only gives commands that the bird will follow. Creation of the clockwork bird requires that the mage expend, and loose, 4 of his own hit points permanently. Bonded Mages of the Wing can incorporate their Bonding artifact into their clockwork bird, thereby bypassing the expenditure of 4 of their own hit points (as that expenditure has already been made). The bird then not only become their familiar, but also the focus for all spells of their Art. Walkers of Starlight Threads This Art is a fairly recent addition to Alphatia. It was founded by a group of Planar Spiders in Limn. The Spiders and their followers are mostly zookeepers at the Living Bestiary in Trollhatten. Many of them use their considerable skills in the creation of extradimensional habitats for the creatures in the Bestiary. The Walkers of Starlight Threads are in opposition to no other Alphatian Art. They are a mysterious, rather than secretive group. They are masters of the planes, and extra-dimensional spaces. Each member has a 5000gp diamond embedded somewhere on their body, as part of the Bonding process. The gem is a focus for all of their spells, and so can not be hidden. Most often it is placed on the head or on one of the hands. Weave Pocket Level : 2 Range : 0 Duration : 1 turn per level of the caster Effect : Creates a small dimensional pocket This spell weaves a small dimensional pocket capable of holding up to 50 cn of material. The pocket is visible only to those who can see into the Etheral Plane, or are employing some kind of magical sight such as True Sight. Upon casting this spell, the mage must attach the pocket to some item that exists in the Prime Plane. Once attached the pocket can not be removed, although it can be opened and closed by someone who can detect it. The Pocket does not weigh anything. Materials can be placed into and removed from the pocket for the duration of the spell. Any materials that are insode of the pocket when the spell duration ends however, are dumped into the Etheral Plane. Bonded Walkers can prevent the pocket from depositing its contents on the Etheral when the spell ends, and can instead have it return the contents to the Prime. The Walker can choose which one of these events will take place, at will anytime throughout the duration of the spell. Spin Thread Level : 4 Range : Inner planes Duration : Instantanious Effect : Creates a path from one of the inner planes to another This spell creates a path from one inner plane to another. The caster must be familiar with both planes for this spell to work. When cast, the spell pulls the caster, and only the caster, into a pocket universe. The universe consists of two doorways connected together by a single, thick web strand. The caster appears on the web strand next to the doorway leading to where he came from, and must traverse the strand to reach the doorway leading to the other inner plane. The thread between the doorways is of variable length depending upon the distance of the two planes from one another. Non Walkers who try to traverse the web strand do so at great risk to their lives. Althought the strand will never break, its consistency changes along its length, with some parts being stickier than others. The emptiness benieth the strand is endless and someone who fell from one would never hit the bottom. Bonded Walkers have no problem at all of staying on the strand, and in fact treat it as having the center of gravity in the pocket universe, which means that they can walk just as easily along the bottom of the strand as along the top. Zentholo's Nowhere Habitat Level : 6 Range : 10 square feet per level of the caster Duration : 1 day Effect : Creates and attaches a small plane to the Prime Plane This spell creates and attaches a small plane to an area of the Prime Plane. The new plane has all of the general characteristics of the surrounding area in the Prime, and is virtually indistinguisable from it. For every 10 square feet of the Prime that is enchanted, 20 square feet are created in the pocket plane. The casting mage determines the exact dimension of the new space, but it cannot exceed the maximum amount of space created by the spell. Anything that remains in the habitat after the spell's duration has expired, vanishes and is lost forever. Bonded Walkers can avoid this side effect. If still in the extra-planar space after the spell ends, they are deposited harmlessly on the Prime Plane. Several Bonded Walkers can work in unison to make this spell's effects permanent. In this case, three mages are required for every 10 square feet of enchantment. They must spend one full week of uninterupted time studying the area before the spell is cast, as well as spending 5,000 gp (per 10 square feet) on components (mostly precious gems) with which to prepair the spell. Geomancers This sect of the ancient Followers of Earth focuses their time and energy into perfecting spells which unleash the powers of Earth in its raw form. Their philosophy is in direct opposition to that of the Cathedralists. Citadel's lowest level is the power base for the Geomancers. It is a vast, cavern-like expanse, created totally by their magics. All of the structures and dwellings have a natural look, with towering stalagmites reaching up to meet great stalagtights hanging from the ceilings. Cathedralists This sect of the ancient Followers of Earth focuses their efforts toward perfecting spells which utilize and channel the powers of Earth in a very orderly fashion. Their philosophy is in direct opposition to that of the Geomancers. The Cathedralists have their main power base in the top two levels of Citadel, Bettellyn's capital city. They have used their skills to make the top two levels of Citadel into one giant, and totally enclosed, city. Cathedralists are experts at carving and shaping stones for building materials. Many are also proficient stone artisans, and carve many statues. Brothers of the Moon This Art was in existence long before the Alphatians made landfall on Mystara. It was created by ancient Thothian wizard-priests. Long ago the Thothian wizards, who were masters of animal magics, discovered that Mystara's moon had severe effects on their powers. They tried to harness the moon's power, and use it augment their own. The wizards performed many rituals designed to do just that, with utter failure, until finally one fateful day many centuries ago, the first Bonding was achieved. The wizards sacrificed a part of their own life essence in order to tap into the resources that the moon provided. The resulting effects of that ritual greatly augmented their magical powers. Brothers of the Moon are practicioners of the most feared and misunderstood of the Alphatian Arts. For this reason they maintain an air of secrecy about themselves. Let me know what you think. John Calvin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #395 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 396 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - mr mapper is back Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: The armor spell Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - Sylvan Realm? Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor [MYSTARA] - Norwold Independence [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 Spells Components (was Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:17:28 -0500 From: SB Wilson Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackmoor device >OK, so the reference to X1 is only for the broken lands. Is there any >information anywhere else that discusses this buried Blackmoor device? The only mention of it is that it exploded when discovered by some elves and devastated the surrounding area thus "creating" the Broken Lands. It was also this event that sent the ancestors of the Shadow Elves underground. There are a few other events related to this explosion, but I don't have my timeline in front of me at the moment. Anyway, the device (presumably) was destroyed and no longer exists. Although you can easily say that it was not completely destroyed and that the remains of the device became the "core" of the Shadow Elves' Chamber of the Spheres, their magical nuclear reactor - sort of a miniture version of Glantri's Nucleus of the Spheres, although this one has been highly modified by the Shadow Elves. SB Wilson sbwilson@kvalley.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:01:45 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Certainly not. The elves of the vyalia clan, like a lot of others, don't want to do anything with humans. The actual exception is Stephan II, because of its acts in the past. But this doesn't mean that they will help him more than they actually do: except for the benefits of a small group of elite archers, i don't think the rulers of the clan would accept to give help to anybody more. (ref: Gazetter n°1, myst. ad&d 2 vers.) Solmyr of the Azure Star a écrit: > redrobyne wrote: > > > > Thats what I meant the ones in Karameikos, everyone for some reason thinks > > all these elves are going to pop out the wood to save Stefan a mere child in > > the lives of elves who see empires rise and fall before there very eyes. > > > True. The Vyalia (if they are going to get involved at all) are more > likely to help Thyatis, seeing as some of them have a good working > relationship with Thyatians. Certainly the elves of County of Vyalia > would help Thyatis. > > -- > ****************** > Aleksei Andrievski > aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star > solmyr@kolumbus.fi > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:54:29 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: [MYSTARA] - mr mapper is back You want the town drawn or the surroundings?Because for the town itself i don't have the tools yet.I am currently working on a huge Denagoth/Wendar/KW/Norwold/IoD map in 24 miles per hex (i overpassed the discrepencies in the official maps thanks to Geoff and Andrew). thib. redrobyne a écrit: > > Fort Doom and Luln were mapped out (only partly I think) in DDA3 Eye of > > Traldar. Good place as any to start out. > > Why thankyou Hoddie. I am still asking if a nice mr. mapper would map one > for me though or for the list or what ever. This also brings to mind has > Rifflian been mapped out either? > > Stewart 3 > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:41:09 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard I think assuming elves are concerned to the petty political affairs of humans is is showing typical Thyatian arrogance. - -- On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:01:41 Solmyr of the Azure Star wrote: >redrobyne wrote: >> >> Thats what I meant the ones in Karameikos, everyone for some reason thinks >> all these elves are going to pop out the wood to save Stefan a mere child in >> the lives of elves who see empires rise and fall before there very eyes. >> >True. The Vyalia (if they are going to get involved at all) are more >likely to help Thyatis, seeing as some of them have a good working >relationship with Thyatians. Certainly the elves of County of Vyalia >would help Thyatis. > >-- >****************** >Aleksei Andrievski >aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star >solmyr@kolumbus.fi >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:14:27 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos This has to be one of the most logical sounding reply I have found. People keep thinking of Elves like humans. The elves do not care and will not care for the human politics and border squabblings. They will defend their borders against both Thyatians and Stefan's forces, and they would ally with each other to do such a task, rather than fight with each other for petty human politics. At the most the a few elite Calarii warriors might come to the Duke's aid out of a honor debt, but nothing more. The Traladarans have had a lot of resentment build up against the nobles of Karameikos and Thyatians in general. This is re-iterated in the GAZ and all of the modules. I don't see how tyrannical barons, racist Thyatians, not having many leadership roles over their destiny (aka taxation without representation), will help the Traladarans attitude. Out of a dozen Barons, there are about four known Barons loyal to the Duke and a little tolerant to the Traladarans. This leaves many unaccounted four, and it also leaves other lands completely out of control of anyone. People are also forgetting the large criminal organizations like the mafia like Veiled Society with a secret agenda of political terrorism, and the even more ruthless Iron Ring maruaders and high level mages. Combined with the monterous armies waiting to be recruited with the likes of prior Baron Ludwig, there is much oppertunity for dissent within Karameikos. - -- On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:28:48 Patrick Sullivan wrote: >> There seems to be quite a bit going around about the possibile >>outcome of a Thyatian invasion of Karameikos and while *any* result is >>completely theoretical, I am a bit bothered by some of the arguments >>made in favor of Thyatis "crushing" Karameikos. It seems some people >>out there really do not like Karameikos... >Personally, I like Karameikos a lot. But the absurdity is that so many >people feel that Karameikos must be preserved mo matter what, simply because >it's their favorite setting. I have enjoyed DMing campaigns in both Thyatis >and Karameikos. The problem is that Stefan has betrayed his liege and sold >out to the greatest enemy Thyatis has ever known. Eusebius cannot afford to >leave this threat unattended, and Thyatis CAN conquer Karameikos. I >certainly don't have it in for Karameikos, but Thyatis has both the >incentive and the ability to remove Stefan, and it's simply absurd to >protect Karameikos from fate simply because it's popular (Three Cheers for >Aengmor! Let the flames fly...) > >> Some people have also said that many of the Thyatian-Karameikan >>nobles would side with Thyatis in an invasion. My question is simple: >>Why? Regardless of the feelings they may have toward Stefan personally, >>they are all reasonable enough to understand that they have more say in >>the sovereignty of an independent Karameikos than in a Thyatian colony. >>Can you say big fish in a small pond? Besides, they left Thyatis for a >>reason... and those that are children of those who left seem to be >>following in the footsteps of their parents. >Plenty of ethnic Thyatian nobles would remain loyal to Karameikos. However, >with the church dissention likely to erupt upon Jowett's death, Desmond >Kelvin would be in an excellent position to sieze control of the church. To >do so, he would need to be certain to accentuate (or perhaps even falsify) >the ties between the moderates in the church and cult of Halav. Desmond is >a master plotter, and he would likely find an ideal ally in Eusebius. >Furthermore, once a Thyatian invasion seems imminent, most nobles will >recognize that Stefan has little chance of retaining control, so they would >rather pledge allegiance to Eusebius than lose their lands and titles. > >> The theory that the Traladarans wouldn't support the Kingdom also >>seems ridiculous to me. If most of them didn't like 'Stefan's Thyatian >>invasion', why would they like an all-out Thyatian invasion any better? >>At least in Karameikos they are given an opportunity to participate in >>the government. Even the most hard-line Traladarans will concede that >>Stefan gives at least lip-service to Traladaran equality. Think they'd >>get that as a conquered land of Thyatis? I think not... just ask the > >Well, Eusebius has already earned something of a reputation as a reformer. >Assuming that he remains largely trustworthy for the next ten years or so, >Traladarans would feel more comfortable with his promises than Stefan's lies >(even if he's too stupid to recognize them as such). The Traladarans are >already at least somewhat distrustful of the Alphatian Magic-Users (see the >PWA with the pranks), and some careful Thyatian manipulation could certainly >convince many of the Traladarans that the true enemy is the evil Alhpatians >with whom Stefan has allied himself. > >>Pearl Islanders, Ochaleans, or Hinterlanders (not to mention various >>cultures on the Isle of Dawn). > >I really don't know what you mean here. Thyatis has a long-standing >reputation for treating conquered peoples well--particularly Ochaleans and >Pearl Islanders. These territories declared independence in WotI due to >immortal influence and self-preservation instincts, but there is never any >indication that they were mistreated by the Thyatians. > >> As far as the elves... I agree that the Vyalia would remain >>neutral(unless attacked), but the Calarii would certainly fight for >>Karameikos. Gaz1 & KKoA both talk about the Calarii's admiration for >>Stefan. Remember the Elven Guard? And forget about the nonsense of not >>being given their own dominion - dominions are a human concept. Stefan >>has let the Calarii rule themselves without interference; what do they >Of the three main groups of elves, the Calarii are the most likely to enter >the fray. However, most of them will sit it out--only the most >adventuresome are very likely to fight the Thyatians. They certainly didn't >fight to protect the Traladarans before, and personal admiration is an >awfully long stretch for elves to risk their lives. The Vyalia would likely >remain largely neutral, but some of the more adventuresome (and some of the >foresters) are likely to fight for Thyatis, particularly if, as someone >mentioned, Karameikos sends bands of arsonists through their woods on the >way to Thyatis. > >>care for titles? And as for the Alfheim refugees - oh yeah, like >>they're going to let someone else come in and bully them again. They're >>at a breaking point - they've been run out of their homeland and >>they're certainly not going to be conquered again without a fight. >The problem is they still don't really think of the Achelos as "home." For >the most part, they would rather work out a treaty and move back to the >Canolbarth. I don't see as large an elven presence in Western Karameikos in >a few years, and I doubt they'd march out of the forests to defend Mirros. >As long as the Thyatians leave them alone, i don't see them caring to put up >a fight. > >> That leaves the Alphatians. Let's face it, the Alphatians would >>certainly blame the Thyatians as much as anyone for the sinking of >>their Empire. The Karamiekans stayed out of the war and were at least >>passively supportive of Alphatia. The Alphatian refugees aren't just >>going to ignore Thyatian agression in their new home. Is it realistic >>to say they would just up and leave if Karameikos was conquered by >>Thyatis? Probably not. Where are they going to go? Glantri? ;~P > >Thothia! I agree that many Alphatians will try to resist Thyatian advances, >but they understand that the best place by far for Alphatia's outer-world >future is the Isle of Dawn. The Alphatians would certainly be a formidable >force, but there are really very few of them and many would rather flee than >risk their lives in a losing cause. > >> So as far as Karameikan resistance to Thyatis... it would be pretty >>heavy. That's not to say Thyatis couldn't do it; it just probably >>wouldn't be worth it. > >Thyatis cannot keep Alphatians on both their eastern and western frontiers. >The obvious solution is to take out the weaker of the enemies. They've >already determined that Thothia is nearly impossible to defeat, so >Karameikos makes a lot more sense. > >> Afterall what would they really gain? Probably the just the emnity of >>*every* other nation in the Known World. >I definitely disagree here. The Heldannic Knights like the victors, whoever >they are. Minrothad would likely join Thyatis in an invasion--Stefans has >allied himself with Darokin, Minrothad's greatest competitor, and Karameikos >is trying to build up its own naval and trade fleets. The WDL might be >unhappy, but they've already set themselves up against Thyatis, and they'd >rather sacrifice Karameikos in return for assurances from Eusebius that >they'll be spared. > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:22:18 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: The armor spell Any wizard spell that requires the powers of a priest is a flawed description, and should be altered. Perhaps, the spell was orignally created as a priest spell and the designers neglected to change the description. I suggest any DM with common sense, make the change to eliminate material component, and perhaps replace it with a piece of plate metal (steel). As anyone knows, carrying multple pieces of this material component can be quite cumbersome. For a society that outlaws priestly magic, they would never use a spell like this. Is it not that obvious, or is everyone blind here?? On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:37:54 Je ne sais Rob wrote: > >On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, mystara-digest wrote: >> gold in reserve.) The most abhorrent thing to him, however, was that the >> Armor spell, certainly a handy and useful spell for the low level mage, >> required a piece of blessed leather to cast, valued initially at 50g, >> but not so easily buyable as that. HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:43:13 -0400 From: "Christian Constantin" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Bien sûr, y'a aussi moi... (although I prefer to use only English on the MML, if we don't want it to become Mystara-Babel-l). Christian "Krieg!" Constantin >Ben, déja, y'a moi. > >thibault sarlat a écrit: > >> pour faire plaisir aux bretons je vais dire quelques mots en français.Mais nos >> autres amis, ceux qui ne parlent pas le dialecte d'Averoigne vont vite se sentir >> exclus.Moi g appris l'anglais grace à D&D car une fois lus tous les modules et >> toutes les regles en francais, j'ai bien été obligé de me mettre à lire >> l'anglais.Et maintenant je fais une license d'anglais. >> Voilà. >> Que tous ceux qui comprennent le francais (meme imparfaitement) envoient un mail de >> confirmation pour que nous ayions une idée du nombre de francophones/francophiles. >> >> thib. >> >> Cobaye a écrit: >> >> > Salut, Joyce.......Hi, Joyce >> > Bienvenue....... Welcome >> > ( simple but, gosh, my english is so poor, that i don't want to make more >> > mistakes ) >> > So have a good time and feel free to ask about everything you want to know, and >> > give us your suggestions of all you think fair to talk about. >> > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans lines, even if (in my opinion), >> > there's not enough french. >> > a+ >> > Fred"Cobaye"DeLaval >> > >> > joyce scism a écrit: >> > >> > > hello fellow Mystarans. >> > > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in >> > > ye company. >> > > May the immortals be by ye side. >> > > >> > > *************************************************************************** >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >> > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. >> > >> > *************************************************************************** >> > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >> > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. >> >> -- >> Thibault Sarlat >> ICQ 16622177. >> Check out my sites : >> The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi >> Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi >> And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi >> >> *************************************************************************** >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >> with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:25:36 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Sylvan Realm? alfheim of course, i haven't completed my mission yet, so a return to the dreamland before completion would mean a fate worse than i would like to imagine. Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of theStarwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:30:46 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos "Ha, my spies will be there as well and provoke a war between Alphatia and Thyatis, while secretly, we plant our people in high places to someday organize the Traldar to take over Karameikos, and then claim it for ourselves in the name of Bogdan.", hisses a voice behind a smoky mirror. - -- On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:44:20 Francisco Navarro wrote: >> Oh if war does break out between those imperialist Thyatians and my >> noble Karameikan compatriots, I want a divisional command. >> >> CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) >> > >Yawn! If war does break out between Thyatis and Karameikos, I'm sure my >Glantrian spies would have known of it months before it actually happens. :) > >Meanwhile, Princess Dolores and I will be having tea. ;P > >Kit Navarro >fanavarro@pacific.net.ph > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:54:20 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor The Armor spell originally debuted in Unearthed Arcana, which explains why it's material component seems oddly out of place for a 1st level spell. I believe the idea behind the component itself is that the original spell only provided AC 8, equivalent to leather armor, thus the leather scrap. The blessing was the idea that the mage was manipulating the blessing and extending it's protective influence into a more arcane form about him. Obviously, from this, we can easily work up a replacement material component. Any ideas for an appropriate Glantrian material component? Adamantyr     *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:02 +0000 From: terry abbott Subject: [MYSTARA] - Norwold Independence What are the odds that,prior to WOTI, Norwold could have successfully broken away from Alphtia? With a strong group of hero at his side {CM 1- test of the warlords} could King Ericall have defeated a token Alphtian resistance? Would his mother only sent a token force? And what would Thyatis do if this happened? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:30:32 +0200 From: DM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 LIST mystara-l members *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:53:26 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Spells Components (was Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri) I require my players to map out spell statistics (range, casting time, area of effect, etc.) which includes the spell components. I also do this for villians and NPCs. What this does is allow fast usage of spells and also to pay attention for the spell components. I think having spell components livins the game atmosphere and allows oppertunity for role-playing. For example, I have a gnomish PC always looking for slugs on the ground, that he would later throw at villians for a taunt spell. The other players though the gnome was weird, but the affect was somewhat humerous. He also tossed glow worm in the air for another spell. - -- On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:45:56 SteelAngel wrote: > >> Stoneskin, which essentially render the mage indestructible, aren't so > quickly cast when they need powdered diamond dust. > >True. However, one must realize that all this complexity gets in the way >of "fun". So Bob the M-U doesn't have diamond dust, and 1 HP left, and a >giant beast is bearing down on him. > >I love killing characters, don't you? > > >> (He didn't use 'Critical Fumbles for Mundane Tasks' too, did he?) > >Gods, tell me that DM's need a _TABLE_ for that.. Give me simplicity >over rules lawyerism anyday.. > > >Ethan >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #396 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 397 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: RE: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor (Auto Reply) Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - no email Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] -Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... Re: [MYSTARA] - - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - Mystara Chat on Yahoo! Re: [MYSTARA] - no email Re: [MYSTARA] - no email [MYSTARA] - Fw: Mystara Chat Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard RE: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> RE: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - AC Series Re: [MYSTARA] - Sylvan Realm? Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:13:20 -0400 From: Ukkie Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor (Auto Reply) This is an automatic reply generated for Ukkie. I hate you! You are sick! - ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com and http://MailAndNews.co.uk Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. - ------------------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:43:14 +0300 From: Solmyr of the Azure Star Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Cobaye wrote: > > Certainly not. > The elves of the vyalia clan, like a lot of others, don't want to do anything with > humans. > The actual exception is Stephan II, because of its acts in the past. > But this doesn't mean that they will help him more than they actually do: except > for the benefits of a small group of elite archers, i don't think the rulers of > the clan would accept to give help to anybody more. (ref: Gazetter n°1, myst. ad&d > 2 vers.) > Huh?! Vyalia helping Stefan? Why on earth? Not unless they were crazy outcasts. The Vyalia elves work with Thyatians (official canon info), helping them learn the ways of the forest (Foresters). They have their own County in Thyatis for that. I don't understand why some people feel that everyone should be helping Stefan just because he looks good, while everyone Must Hate Thyatis no matter what good things it does. - -- ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:42:48 -0700 From: Eleanor Williams Subject: [MYSTARA] - no email I haven't received any email from here for several days. Something wrong? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:06:17 +0300 From: Solmyr of the Azure Star Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard "Mr. Darknerd" wrote: > > I think assuming elves are concerned to the petty political affairs of humans is is showing typical Thyatian arrogance. > Well, I suggest you re-read the entry on the County of Vyalia in Dawn of the Emperor box, and *then* tell me those elves are not interested in Thyatis. - -- ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:49:52 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] -Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-acc... In a message dated 15/09/99 09:06:00 GMT Daylight Time, sg96d355@drexel.edu writes: > > Oh, and Frobozz? I think the Eypatch and hook are just simply *you*.... > > Oh? Do tell. Thanks, I think, Carl. ;-) Ya bilgerat! > > --peg-leg Frobozz-- Bilge? Moi? Crow's-nest rat, possibly, but you'd never find me in the *bilge*. To reiterate an earlier statement - "ick! Ewww, gross!!" Carl "Clueless" Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:59:39 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - - The "Known World" [was Thyatis Backyard] Actually this is quite serious. If you caculate the armies of the horde, they are really amazing. In the RW, the Monguls had an amazing impact on the world, spreading through the steppes of Russia, and also invading China, India, Persia, Arabics, Asia Minor (Turkey), Eastern Europe, etc. There were the Bulgar Kahns that the Byzantium (similar to Thyatis) had to reckon with. The Magyars (Hungarians) were affected by Mongulian steppe culture and were utterly ruthless and were known by christian priests as the Horsemen of Apocolypse. The Turkish, descendents of Mongulian hordes, were also very ruthless as well before and after they discovered Islam. - -- On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:43:28 thibault sarlat wrote: >Yes most of the human emigrants were from traladaran descent.The locals were >oltec.And note that traladaran people are a mixture of nithian and neathar.So i >agree with those who think that even if thyatis knows that there are some >countries out there, they are too much focused on developping/keeping its >colonies on the IoD and in the Hinterlands( where they could encounter and >oppose the heldannic expension).Then they would have a foothold to explore >/conquer northern davania, the serpent peninsula and in doing so they wouls >surely confront the Texerian navy. > >On another subject i remember a great story called world in flame written by >Bruce Heard (it is on Shawn's site)It depicted big changes in the KW political >board, and it included an invasion of thyatis mainland by the ethengars, who >sided with the baddies (no offense jamuga).And there were interesting remarks >concerning the attitude of karameikos which granted the horde a free right to >pass through karameikos to attack thyatis.At that time i objected to Bruce that >as a Karameikan baron my 36th level wizard would not allow them to pass.And he >said that i would be no match for their horde and reminded me that refusing to >obey my king would be betraying my oath.Anywxay, to know more about such a >scenario, just read it.Then ask Bruce , he's the boss. > >thib > > >-- >Thibault Sarlat >ICQ 16622177. >Check out my sites : >The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi >Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi >And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:32:42 +0200 From: David Burtin Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - 2 Issues There's no stats for Rapiers in the Darokin Gaz. The stats where in an old Princess Ark episode. I'll post them as soon as I have some spare time to look in my old dragons. BoBoII@aol.com wrote: > 1) Does anyone have the Weapon Mastery stats for Rapiers as printed in > Darokin Gaz? Was this published anywhere else? > > 2) In CoM, a couple references are made to the savage coast having a > "Guardiano influence." Who/Where are the Guardianos? > > Thanks > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:44:34 +0200 From: David Burtin Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> I'm french too... David Christian Constantin wrote: > Bien sûr, y'a aussi moi... (although I prefer to use only English on the > MML, if we don't want it to become Mystara-Babel-l). > Christian "Krieg!" Constantin > > >Ben, déja, y'a moi. > > > >thibault sarlat a écrit: > > > >> pour faire plaisir aux bretons je vais dire quelques mots en > français.Mais nos > >> autres amis, ceux qui ne parlent pas le dialecte d'Averoigne vont vite se > sentir > >> exclus.Moi g appris l'anglais grace à D&D car une fois lus tous les > modules et > >> toutes les regles en francais, j'ai bien été obligé de me mettre à lire > >> l'anglais.Et maintenant je fais une license d'anglais. > >> Voilà. > >> Que tous ceux qui comprennent le francais (meme imparfaitement) envoient > un mail de > >> confirmation pour que nous ayions une idée du nombre de > francophones/francophiles. > >> > >> thib. > >> > >> Cobaye a écrit: > >> > >> > Salut, Joyce.......Hi, Joyce > >> > Bienvenue....... Welcome > >> > ( simple but, gosh, my english is so poor, that i don't want to make > more > >> > mistakes ) > >> > So have a good time and feel free to ask about everything you want to > know, and > >> > give us your suggestions of all you think fair to talk about. > >> > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans lines, even if (in my > opinion), > >> > there's not enough french. > >> > a+ > >> > Fred"Cobaye"DeLaval > >> > > >> > joyce scism a écrit: > >> > > >> > > hello fellow Mystarans. > >> > > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > >> > > ye company. > >> > > May the immortals be by ye side. > >> > > > >> > > > *************************************************************************** > >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >> > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > >> > > >> > > *************************************************************************** > >> > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >> > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > >> > >> -- > >> Thibault Sarlat > >> ICQ 16622177. > >> Check out my sites : > >> The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi > >> Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi > >> And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi > >> > >> > *************************************************************************** > >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >> with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > >*************************************************************************** > >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:57:37 EDT From: Ambreville@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Mystara Chat on Yahoo! Mystara Chat went on as suggested last night. Worked fine -- about six or seven of us showed up and chatted for over an hour. We're planning on having a regular open session every Wednesday at 7:30pm Central US time (5:30pm West Coast, 8:30pm East Coast, 12:30am London???). If anyone wants to run a topic-specific chat, feel free to join the club and list your event on the site's calendar. Thanks! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/travelersofmystara Bruce *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:47:03 -0600 From: "Leroy Van Camp III" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - no email Eleanor Williams meandered fecklessly... > I haven't received any email from here for several days. Something > wrong? Yup, the MPGN servers were down for a while. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@uswest.net ICQ #20039817 "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle." MST3K *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:49:24 -0700 From: Eleanor Williams Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - no email That's not true. I had my feckless with me, all along! Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > Eleanor Williams meandered fecklessly... > > > I haven't received any email from here for several days. Something > > wrong? > > Yup, the MPGN servers were down for a while. > > Leroy Van Camp III > malacoda@uswest.net > ICQ #20039817 > > "You know, not kneeing you in the groin is a constant struggle." > MST3K > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:56 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: [MYSTARA] - Fw: Mystara Chat Forwarded from the MMB: - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Heard Newsgroups: RPG.DnD.Mystara Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Mystara Chat >Mystara Chat went on as suggested last night. Worked fine -- about six >or seven of us showed up and chatted for over an hour. We're planning on >having a regular open session every Wednesday at 7:30pm Central US time >(5:30pm West Coast, 8:30pm East Coast, 12:30am London???). If anyone >wants to run a topic-specific chat, feel free to join the club and list >your event on the site's calendar. Thanks! > >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/travelersofmystara > >Bruce *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:07:08 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard <> OK, it sounds as if you haven't read Dawn of the Emperors, which certainly makes your position a lot more understandable. The elves of County Vyalia in Thyatis have a strong relationship with the empire. I doubt more than a few of them would actually join an expeditionary force to invade Karameikos, but they would at least guard the fronteir against counterinvasion, even by small bands of adventurers. I'd recommend DotE if you can get it--it's not great, but it certainly details mainland Thyatis a lot better than the PWAs do. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:49:16 -0400 From: Ukkie Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> >===== Original Message From mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com ===== >I'm french too... fuck the french! - ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com and http://MailAndNews.co.uk Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. - ------------------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: au998@freenet.carleton.ca (Geoff Gander) Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> > >>===== Original Message From mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com ===== >>I'm french too... >fuck the french! Oi! There's no reason to use that sort of trash on the MML! Nor is there room for intolerant attitudes, either! If you have those sorts of sentiments about other people, keep them bloody well to yourself!! This is a forum for Mystara. Period! Geoff - -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:58 +0200 From: Jost Westenberg Subject: [MYSTARA] - AC Series - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF00B4.6592DC60 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF00B4.6592DC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tach Post ! POST ! Hallo Ihr Da ! Hey you ! Mein Englisch ist wahrscheinlich nicht das beste aber vielleicht kann = man mir auch so weiter helfen My English is not so good, but perheps anybody can help me Ich habe es in den letzten 5-7 jahren geschaft alle GAZ 1-14 in = deutschland aufzutreiben (ja ich finde das auch ganz toll) In the last 5-7 years i have collected all of the 1-14 GAZ in germany Und ich habe nun eine liste aller jemals f=FCr MYSTARA erschienener = produkte aus dem internet bekommen and know i have an compleet list of all ever published products for = MYSTARA from the net Hier nun der teil der mich im moment interessiert and here the part of my interesst AC Series AC4 : Book of Marvelous Magic=20 AC7 : Master Player Screen=20 AC10 : Bestiary of Dragons and Giants=20 AC11 : The Book of Wonderous Inventions=20 Ich habe einen Spielleiterschirm, weiss aber nicht ob es AC7 ist oder ein anderer und/oder welcher besser ist oder ob man beide braucht = (auf meinem spielleiterschirm steht CHALLENGER SERIES) I already have a gamemaster screen (with CHALLENGER SERIES on it) is = this AC7 or must i have both or which is the better one und nun zu AC10: was steht da eigenlich genau drin, gibt es neue drachen = und riesen oder ist das nur eine zusammenfassung derer aus den = regelboxen und monster-kompendien AC9 und DMR2 what is AC10? i have AC9 and DMR2 and a german version of the first 4 rule boxes and an english version of the golden immortel = box. are there any new dragons or giants in AC10 or is this ony a = collection of the dragons & giants from all the other books jetzt noch die frage was genau bitte steht in AC4 und AC11 an know the question what is in AC4 and AC11 zu letzt noch die bitte an euch: schreibt doch bitte ob es sich lohnt = nach den oben aufgef=FChren sachen zu suchen, vielleicht sogar was sie = kosten und wo man sie bekommen k=F6nnte (nach m=F6glichkeit in = deutschland the last think i have: please tell me if you think i shout search for = the named moduls or not and when a price and an place where i can get = them Vielen vielen dank thanks alot Auf Wieder T=FCss Jost - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF00B4.6592DC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Tach Post !
POST !
 
Hallo Ihr Da !
Hey you !
 
Mein Englisch ist wahrscheinlich nicht = das beste=20 aber vielleicht kann man mir auch so weiter helfen
My English is not so good, but perheps anybody can help me
 
Ich habe es in den letzten 5-7 = jahren=20 geschaft alle GAZ 1-14 in deutschland aufzutreiben (ja ich finde das = auch ganz=20 toll)
In the last 5-7 years i have collected all of the 1-14 GAZ in = germany
 
Und ich habe nun eine liste aller jemals = f=FCr=20 MYSTARA erschienener produkte aus dem internet = bekommen
and know i have an compleet list of all ever published products for = MYSTARA=20 from the net
 
Hier nun der teil der mich im moment=20 interessiert
and here the part of my interesst
 
AC = Series
AC4    : = Book of=20 Marvelous Magic
AC7    : = Master=20 Player Screen
AC10  : Bestiary of = Dragons and=20 Giants
AC11  : The Book of = Wonderous=20 Inventions
 
Ich habe einen = Spielleiterschirm, weiss aber=20 nicht ob es AC7 ist
oder ein anderer und/oder welcher besser = ist oder=20 ob man beide braucht (auf meinem spielleiterschirm steht CHALLENGER=20 SERIES)
I already have a gamemaster screen (with CHALLENGER SERIES on it) = is this=20 AC7 or must i have both or which is the better one
 
und nun zu AC10: was steht da = eigenlich=20 genau drin, gibt es neue drachen und riesen oder ist das nur eine=20 zusammenfassung derer aus den regelboxen und monster-kompendien AC9 und=20 DMR2
what is AC10? i have AC9 and DMR2 and a german = version=20 of
the first 4 rule boxes and an english version of the golden = immortel box.=20 are there any new dragons or giants in AC10 or is this ony a collection = of the=20 dragons & giants from all the other books
 
jetzt noch die frage was genau = bitte steht=20 in AC4 und AC11
an know the question what is in AC4 and AC11
 
zu letzt noch die bitte an euch: schreibt = doch=20 bitte ob es sich lohnt nach den oben aufgef=FChren sachen zu suchen, = vielleicht=20 sogar was sie kosten und wo man sie bekommen k=F6nnte (nach = m=F6glichkeit in=20 deutschland
the last think i have: please tell me if you think i shout search = for the=20 named moduls or not and when a price and an place where i can get = them
 
Vielen vielen dank
thanks alot
 
 
Auf Wieder=20 T=FCss
          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;     =20 Jost
- ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF00B4.6592DC60-- - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF00B4.6592DC60-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:33:36 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Sylvan Realm? Heh, Heh, Heh. No don't worry about it. You need to check in every so often. However, there are entry points from within fairy rings. Remember how your vision works when you view these ring of mushrooms. There are certain areas of the forests that have sylvan concentrations, and things will be revealed to only a Selenii or other fey. You use one of these entry points scape into DreamLand. - -- On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:25:36 Scoooman wrote: >alfheim of course, i haven't completed my mission yet, so a return to the >dreamland before completion would mean a fate worse than i would like to >imagine. > >Meltheim the Shadowstalker > Infiltrator to the Immortals > Devotee of Fate > Eyes of theStarwatcher >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:48:50 -0700 From: "Mr. Darknerd" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Good! I am glad to see more sound reasoning in the MML. The elves accept cooperation with the humans for mutual benenfit, but never does this cooperation lead the elves to be involved with human politics or war campaigns. The elves could not care about the affairs of humans. - -- On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:01:45 Cobaye wrote: >Certainly not. >The elves of the vyalia clan, like a lot of others, don't want to do anything with >humans. >The actual exception is Stephan II, because of its acts in the past. >But this doesn't mean that they will help him more than they actually do: except >for the benefits of a small group of elite archers, i don't think the rulers of >the clan would accept to give help to anybody more. (ref: Gazetter n?, myst. ad&d >2 vers.) > > >Solmyr of the Azure Star a ?rit: > >> redrobyne wrote: >> > >> > Thats what I meant the ones in Karameikos, everyone for some reason thinks >> > all these elves are going to pop out the wood to save Stefan a mere child in >> > the lives of elves who see empires rise and fall before there very eyes. >> > >> True. The Vyalia (if they are going to get involved at all) are more >> likely to help Thyatis, seeing as some of them have a good working >> relationship with Thyatians. Certainly the elves of County of Vyalia >> would help Thyatis. >> >> -- >> ****************** >> Aleksei Andrievski >> aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star >> solmyr@kolumbus.fi >> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html >> *************************************************************************** >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >> with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #397 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 398 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Karameikos [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? Re: [MYSTARA] - Norwold Independence Re: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor Re: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 Re: [MYSTARA] - mr mapper is back Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail [MYSTARA] - Dominion Spreadsheet -- A few sample stats RE: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa- 02.fl.dial-access.att.net> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:44:30 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis's backyard (long) > you mean the immediate region surrounding halag? or the town itself? either would be great but I would like the town of Halag and Fort Doom Thanks if you decide to do this! Stewart 3 > > By the way thinking of all this stuff reminds me to ask has anyone made a > > map of Fort Doom or simply Halag (or varient there of) or would some one be > > willing perhaps one of our lists gifted cartographers? > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > -- > Thibault Sarlat > ICQ 16622177. > Check out my sites : > The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi > Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi > And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:50:40 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Karameikos This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_AGZasJx96wZNayeKDdQmQw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Hey. Could you do Karameikos Map? I'm using this in my campaign, and a map such as this would be most welcomed. Theres plenty of Karameikan maps floating around on the web, one at shawns site that is virtually the same as the one in K:koa > Also, other maps I'm interested in is the 1.) Thyatis mainland And heres a sight where you can find almost any including Five Shires (its Marcos) also a map of Kelvin and threshold and Mirros! although all in Italian I think. I can tell you what Mirros and Threshold say but not Kelvin cause I don't know > 2.) Five Shires, and 3.) Ylaruam. Hope this helps Stewart 3 - --Boundary_(ID_AGZasJx96wZNayeKDdQmQw) Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="Marco's Mystara Homepage.url" Content-disposition: attachment; filename="Marco's Mystara Homepage.url" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/index.html Modified=60361C392877BE0149 - --Boundary_(ID_AGZasJx96wZNayeKDdQmQw)-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:01:01 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? OK, here's one question that I've been meaning to ask for a long time... Nyx, former Heirarch of Entropy, a he or a she? First of all, in Greek mythology, Nyx is a name of a goddess of night. A SHE. Now this might not count much in our fantasy worlds, but it will certainly add to the cofusion. IM1 Immortal Storm (recently acquired at a sale): Page 2, Nyx definitely male. "A withered old man clad in a blood-red robe..." HE even has a picture. IM2 The Wrath of Olympus. The main baddie is Night, the Hierarch of Entropy. Page 2, "Night sees the project as furthering the goals of his sphere." Other references in the module mention "Night himself" and "his position" and "him." HE is definitely a HE. (Now, it has been agreed that Night is just another name for Nyx... IM3 The Best of Intentions. Nyx is the baddy again, the same Nyx, the Hierarch of Entropy. Page 41, "Nyx says, nodding his head,.." Nyx is a HE. HWR3 The Milenian Empire. Campaign Book, page 14, "Nyx wanted to bring darkness to the Hollow World so that her undead minions and other creatures of the night might flourish." Only one reference, but clearly a SHE. But to add confusion, Nyx took the mortal from of an old MAN called Zargos, who later became an Immortal, not doubt MALE. I don't have WOTI, but the in the compiled listing of Immortals in Shawn Stanley's sight, which takes WOTI as a reference, Nyx is FEMALE. http://dnd.starflung.com/immortal.html OK, so what gives? I know they belong to Entropy, and they can change shapes at will, but still... Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph P.S. In my newly acquired IM1, Djaea, Heirarch of Matter is also a man. My only other printed material of Djaea is the First Quest book, Son of Dawn. The prologue scene with the Immortals in Pandius, has this to say: "Her form was that of a mature and lovely woman, her mought tightened in a thin line. Her seraching gaze took in..." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:16:21 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? >Nyx, former Heirarch of Entropy, a he or a she? Both! Normally Nyx is a she, I believe - however, one of the forms she chooses to take is that of the withered old man, which she uses to keep the old stuffy Hierarchs happy (as opposed to the gothic lass she normally is). Cheerz Rob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Norwold Independence - --- terry abbott wrote: > What are the odds that,prior to WOTI, Norwold > could have successfully broken away from > Alphtia? > With a strong group of hero at his side {CM 1- > test of the warlords} could King Ericall have > defeated a token Alphtian resistance? > Would his mother only sent a token force? > And what would Thyatis do if this happened? > I don't think Ericall would particularly want to become indepent of Alphatia in that scenario. He's got a pretty good thing going there - he has his own kingdom(something he could never do in Alphatia proper) that he's allowed to pretty much do with as he pleaseS while remaining under the protection of The Alphatian Empire. I don't think he really wants to burn that bridge. Persoanlly, I think it would be hard to say exactly what Eriadna would do. I don't think she'd just let him go, though. Norwold has too much potential for Alphatia to just give up... especially with Thyatis prowling around. As far as Thyatis, you just have to look at the War of the Crown section of CM1 for your answer: they'd take him in a second if he didn't have Alphatia to back him up. They want Norwold for themselves and Ericall doesn't have much of an organized kingdom at that point. If the PC's side with the King in that module, it's assumed they would be a great ally in holding off the initial Thyatian attack. But then, Thyatis doesn't try to pull off a full-scale invasion at that point and would back off if faced by Alphatian reinforcements before they could take Alpha and gain a foothold. So the PC's are much more signifigant in that situation than if Norwold was truly independent. Anyway, just my thoughts. Everybody's campaign is different - someone might even make the Thyatians as the 'good guys' in that situation. auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:08:42 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor we > can easily > work up a replacement material component. Any ideas for an appropriate > Glantrian > material component? > hmm I would say a section of ring mail perhaps made of silver or exquisitely made, however I like the Enchantment of The Mages Robe by Michael Harvey and I think I'll use that as a Glantrian specific spell. Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:24:45 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 > > There is a map of Riffliam included in B10. But personally, I don't think > that it's very good. > Hmm Ok and one last question is Penn haligon mapped thoroughly (maybe the pennhaigon trilogy?) any where? Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:35:11 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - mr mapper is back > You want the town drawn or the surroundings?Because for the town itself i don't > have the tools yet. I wanted the town... Ah well too bad I am currently working on a huge > Denagoth/Wendar/KW/Norwold/IoD map in 24 miles per hex (i overpassed the > discrepencies in the official maps thanks to Geoff and Andrew). > Well thankyou anyway if you ever get the tools though let me know! Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:46:00 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail > I agree. In my Mystara campaigns the elves of Alfheim have > created armour using wood magically altered using a > specially prepared sap from the Tree of Life. This makes the > wood as strong as steel but considerably lighter. The most > common type of armour using this method are plate mail > which still uses some metal for the chain) and scale. > Because of the clear, laminated finish of the altered wood, > this kind of armour is known as lamellar (although there is > also a real world armour known as lamellar as well). > What does the real world lamellar look lik by the way is it just a shiny plate mail? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:52:58 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail - ----->What does the real world lamellar look lik by the way is it just a shiny >plate mail? I always thought lamellar armour was the stuff used by oriental samurai... Rob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:35 EDT From: Ambreville@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Dominion Spreadsheet -- A few sample stats Thanks to all those who sent in their playtest comments. Using the present version of the spreadsheet, here are a few dominion stats with extra comments for color. This information supplements material provided in the Red Steel box. Sorry for the screwy formatting. Bruce Heard - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Slagovich Population 27,090 Civilians 95% of total population 1,373 Military 5% of total population 28,463 People Slagovich stands as the richest of the City States, however much of its wealth goes against food imports to support their bustling urban population. The city of Slagovich harbors many more people than the local farming can realistically support. Slagovich manages this feat thanks to a large cinnabryl mine without which the city would go bankrupt. With its garrison, the City of Slagovich tops 16,000 people. Its port and most of the city are fortified. The people of Slagovich generally are supportive of their young Margrave, the many poor because of the Margrave's charity and the merchant bourgeoisie because of the very attractive fiscal regime. Much of the nobility, on the other hand, perceives the Margrave's largesse toward the poor as a weakness and a waste of money that they would prefer see coming their way. Others believe instead the Margrave should build up the military and expand northward into unclaimed lands. These lands are needed to acquire much needed farming. Opponents of this policy argue that this would cause large numbers of Kavaja goatman clans to unite and fight back, certainly with the support of Hojah and Zvornik. This would jeopardize the present alliance between the five City States. Land Total Realm or Dominion's Surface: 1,238 sq.miles Population Density: 23.0 inhabitants/sq.mile Wilderness Regions: - % of total surface Borderland Regions: 27.1 % of total surface Settled Lands: 72.9 % of total surface Total Income for the Realm or Dominion: 15,232 gp/month Average Tax Earnings/Tax-Payer: 1.7 sp/month Average State Earnings/Capita: 5.4 sp/month Average Cost of Military: 16.6 sp/month per warrior Total gold saved in the Treasury: 2,727 gp Rulership Performance (* Poor, ** Acceptable, *** Good) Popularity ** Charity *** Justice ** Order ** Integrity ** Prosperity *** Magic ** Fiscal regime *** Military Prestige ** Dominion's Prestige ** Civic/Religious Prestige ** Overall Confidence Level: ** "Average" (238) Military Total Fleet Size: 10 Ships Total Crew: 797 Seamen Total Troops: 576 Warriors Army Battle Rating: 106 "Excellent" Civilian Militias (if levied): 6,710 Militiamen Civilian Militias Battle Rating: 79 "Average" Peasant Levies (if mobilized): 2,418 Peasants Peasant Levies Battle Rating: 12 "Untrained" - ------------------------------------------------------------------ City State of Hojah Population 12,240 Civilians 88% of total population 1,660 Military 12% of total population 13,900 People Hojah is a naval rival of Slagovich. In Hojah, poverty and starvation are facts of life. Most people attribute the problem to the high cost of the Margrave's army. Food must be imported while Margrave Bosit Hojah provides no charity to the poor... His military is what holds this state together, preventing the people of Hojah from rebelling and the pirates from plundering the land. The military is well paid and loyal to their Margrave. Any booty captured at sea from pirates or other foreign privateers (read Vilaverdans) is shared among crews involved in the battle. The opinions of the people of Hojah are split as far as the military is concerned. On one hand they do provide order and protection from endemic piracy in the region, but many young citizens are obligated to serve for several years. Repression against civilian disorder or disobedience is often brutal. The town of Hojah itself adds up to 7,800 people, including its military garrison. Land Total Realm or Dominion's Surface: 840 sq.miles Population Density: 16.5 inhabitants/sq.mile Wilderness Regions: - % of total surface Borderland Regions: 66.7% of total surface Settled Lands: 33.3% of total surface Total Income for the Realm or Dominion: 7,116 gp/month Average Tax Earnings/Tax-Payer: 4.8 sp/month Average State Earnings/Capita: 5.1 sp/month Average Cost of Military: 18.1 sp/month per warrior Total gold saved in the Treasury: 899 gp Rulership Performance Popularity ** Charity * Justice ** Order *** Integrity ** Prosperity * Magic ** Fiscal Regime * Military Prestige ** Dominion's Prestige ** Civic/Religious Prestige *** Overall Confidence Level * Unsteady 202 Military Total Fleet Size: 12 Ships Total Crew: 1,038 Seamen Total Troops: 622 Warriors Army Battle Rating: 104 Excellent Civilian Militias (if levied): 2,948 Militiamen Civilian Militias Battle Rating: 73 Average Peasant Levies (if mobilized): 1,120 Peasants Peasant Levies Battle Rating: 6 Untrained - ------------------------------------------------------------------ City State of Zvornik Population 13,275 Civilians 96% of total population 535 Military 4% of total population 13,810 People Zvornik has a decent, albeit very old, ruler who has managed to keep his domain together. There is some poverty and food still needs to be imported, although nothing comparable to Slagovich or Hojah. The present ruler is nearing the end of his life and his heir is expected to revive frictions and rivalry with Slagovich, which will certainly hurt the dominion's frail economy and cause its confidence level to drop substantially. The two oldest sons of Margrave Galben Zvornik maintain close ties with Hojah, while the youngest has been associated more with the Zagoran ambassador. Zvornik maintains a small but good quality military. It is purely defensive, but allied with Hojah's forces it remains sufficient to maintain the balance of power with Slagovich. The capital city, Raska, harbors close to 6,000 people including the military garrison. Land Total Realm or Dominion's Surface: 994 sq.miles Population Density: 13.9 inhabitants/sq.mile Wilderness Regions: - % of total surface Borderland Regions: 28.2% of total surface Settled Lands: 71.8% of total surface Total Income for the Realm or Dominion: 4,284 gp/month Average Tax Earnings/Tax-Payer: 2.1 sp/month Average State Earnings/Capita: 3.1 sp/month Average Cost of Military: 17.8 sp/month per warrior Total gold saved in the Treasury: 1,142 gp Rulership Performance Popularity ** Charity *** Justice ** Order ** Integrity ** Prosperity * Magic ** Fiscal Regime ** Military Prestige ** Dominion's Prestige ** Civic/Religious Prestige * Overall Confidence Level ** Average 262 Military Total Fleet Size: 4 Ships Total Crew: 262 Seamen Total Troops: 273 Warriors Army Battle Rating: 116 Excellent Civilian Militias (if levied): 90 Militiamen Civilian Militias Battle Rating: 73 Average Peasant Levies (if mobilized): 1,595 Peasants Peasant Levies Battle Rating: 16 Untrained - ------------------------------------------------------------------ City State of Zagora Population 13,613 Civilians 95% of total population 715 Military 5% of total population 14,328 People Zagora is a relatively good spot to live in. It is self-sufficient as far as food production goes, living conditions are decent, and the military is more than adequate for such a small state. The end result is a high confidence level and one of the more stable states in the region. Zagora has a strong military tradition, which shows among their military -- it is the best in the region due to good training, magic use, and higher than usual experience levels. The state possesses no navy but includes an aerial force of eight knights mounted on wyverns, making the pride of the Zagoran people and their ruler. The only bad note to all this is the proximity of goblin raiders and, more troubling, a direct border with Hule. Zagora has a treaty with the other four City States in the event of a Hulean incursion, and to preserve it Zagora will act as a peace broker especially between Hojah, Zvornik, and Slagovich. Zagora also maintain favorable trade links with its immediate neighbor, Nova Svoga. The city of Zagora is fortified and numbers 4,728 inhabitants including its military garrison. Land Total Realm or Dominion's Surface: 728 sq.miles Population Density: 19.7 inhabitants/sq.mile Wilderness Regions: - % of total surface Borderland Regions: - % of total surface Settled Lands: 100.0% of total surface Total Income for the Realm or Dominion: 5,174 gp/month Average Tax Earnings/Tax-Payer: 1.6 sp/month Average State Earnings/Capita: 3.6 sp/month Average Cost of Military: 33.5 sp/month per warrior Total gold saved in the Treasury: 719 gp Rulership Performance Popularity ** Charity ** Justice ** Order *** Integrity *** Prosperity ** Magic ** Fiscal Regime ** Military Prestige *** Dominion's Prestige ** Civic/Religious Prestige *** Overall Confidence Level *** Prosperous 362 Military Total Fleet Size: - Ships Total Crew: - Seamen Total Troops: 715 Warriors Army Battle Rating: 131 Elite Civilian Militias (if levied): 2,424 Militiamen Civilian Militias Battle Rating: 89 Good Peasant Levies (if mobilized): 2,850 Peasants Peasant Levies Battle Rating: 23 Poor - ------------------------------------------------------------------ City State of Nova Svoga Population 28,213 Civilians 97% of total population 737 Military 3% of total population 28,950 People This farming nation is the weak link among the City States Alliance. Nova Svoga has the longest border with Hule and probably the lowest quality military. It presently remains under a regency and a corrupt government. Although Nova Svogans respect their regent, they truly hate his ministers who are seen as the source of their ills. Some go as far as suspecting a few ministers of being Hule's agents. Because of its current weakness, Nova Svoga tends to be much more accomodating with Hule than others of the alliance. Naturally, Hule's approach is to use Nova Svoga as a wedge to crack the alliance. This state has the potential to do much better since it is the largest of the alliance and has room for expansion. It's farming balance is positive. On the military side, however, the best elements tend to join the Zagoran army which is much better paid. Nova Svoga itself numbers 5,300 inhabitants with its military garrison. Land Total Realm or Dominion's Surface: 2,352 sq.miles Population Density: 12.3 inhabitants/sq.mile Wilderness Regions: - % of total surface Borderland Regions: 40.5% of total surface Settled Lands: 59.5% of total surface Total Income for the Realm or Dominion: 4,631 gp/month Average Tax Earnings/Tax-Payer: 1.3 sp/month Average State Earnings/Capita: 1.6 sp/month Average Cost of Military: 13.6 sp/month per warrior Total gold saved in the Treasury: 1,200 gp Rulership Performance Popularity ** Charity * Justice ** Order ** Integrity * Prosperity * Magic ** Fiscal Regime ** Military Prestige ** Dominion's Prestige ** Civic/Religious Prestige ** Overall Confidence Level * Unsteady 212 Military Total Fleet Size: - Ships Total Crew: - Seamen Total Troops: 737 Warriors Army Battle Rating: 90 Good Civilian Militias (if levied): 3,428 Militiamen Civilian Militias Battle Rating: 61 Fair Peasant Levies (if mobilized): 4,110 Peasants Peasant Levies Battle Rating: 0 Untrained - ------------------------------------ The City State Alliance Leaving their civilian militias behind to defend the land, the members of the City States Alliance could line up 26 warships and probably two to three times as many merchant ships requisitioned for military duty, in addition to about 3,500 professional troops (including army and marine forces). Ambassadors of the five member states normally meet in the City of Slagovich to discuss the situation with Hule, humanoid raids from the hills and piracy at sea, which are their main concerns, and negotiate joint action to be taken if any. - ------------------------------------ That's it for now, folks! Let me know if you're interested in getting more of this kind of stuff. Bruce Heard *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:52:16 -0500 From: "Albert Edward Capt. 552 CSG/SCXX" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa- 02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Aahhh, Zat would explain zee outr-r-ragous accent. Now I shall be gone before you taunt me a second time. ASEO out Zey told me zey alread-dy got one! - -----Original Message----- From: David Burtin [mailto:David.BURTIN@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 5:45 PM To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> I'm french too... David Christian Constantin wrote: > Bien sur, y'a aussi moi... (although I prefer to use only English on the > MML, if we don't want it to become Mystara-Babel-l). > Christian "Krieg!" Constantin > > >Ben, deja, y'a moi. > > > >thibault sarlat a ecrit: > > > >> pour faire plaisir aux bretons je vais dire quelques mots en > francais.Mais nos > >> autres amis, ceux qui ne parlent pas le dialecte d'Averoigne vont vite se > sentir > >> exclus.Moi g appris l'anglais grace a D&D car une fois lus tous les > modules et > >> toutes les regles en francais, j'ai bien ete oblige de me mettre a lire > >> l'anglais.Et maintenant je fais une license d'anglais. > >> Voila. > >> Que tous ceux qui comprennent le francais (meme imparfaitement) envoient > un mail de > >> confirmation pour que nous ayions une idee du nombre de > francophones/francophiles. > >> > >> thib. > >> > >> Cobaye a ecrit: > >> > >> > Salut, Joyce.......Hi, Joyce > >> > Bienvenue....... Welcome > >> > ( simple but, gosh, my english is so poor, that i don't want to make > more > >> > mistakes ) > >> > So have a good time and feel free to ask about everything you want to > know, and > >> > give us your suggestions of all you think fair to talk about. > >> > There's a lot of good ideas in these Mystarans lines, even if (in my > opinion), > >> > there's not enough french. > >> > a+ > >> > Fred"Cobaye"DeLaval > >> > > >> > joyce scism a ecrit: > >> > > >> > > hello fellow Mystarans. > >> > > I just boarded ship and am pleased to be in > >> > > ye company. > >> > > May the immortals be by ye side. > >> > > > >> > > > *************************************************************************** > >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >> > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > >> > > >> > > *************************************************************************** > >> > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >> > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > >> > >> -- > >> Thibault Sarlat > >> ICQ 16622177. > >> Check out my sites : > >> The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi > >> Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi > >> And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi > >> > >> > *************************************************************************** > >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >> with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > >*************************************************************************** > >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #398 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 399 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? Re: [MYSTARA] - AC Series Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail [MYSTARA] - Thyatis and Karmeikos - my .02 Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis and Karmeikos - my .02 Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? Re: [MYSTARA] - AC Series ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:18:08 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? >Nyx, former Heirarch of Entropy, a he or a she? >P.S. In my newly acquired IM1, Djaea, Heirarch of Matter is also a man. My >only other printed material of Djaea is the First Quest book, Son of Dawn. >The prologue scene with the Immortals in Pandius, has this to say: "Her form >was that of a mature and lovely woman, her mought tightened in a thin line. >Her seraching gaze took in..." According to WotI the form which each of them typically "wears" is female, but that certainly doesn't preclude them from having male forms as well. As described in WotI, Hel has at least one male form. I believe one or more of Ixion's personae worshipped in Sind is female. And IIRC, the gender of "The Inquisitor" is never made clear in the Savage Coast material, which could mean that Vanya's Narvaezan following assumes The Inquisitor is male. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:23:19 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? And don't forget, with Immortals able to change form at will, and no longer being subject to mortal weaknesses and desires, one would assume they have an entirely different understanding of what gender is. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Sullivan To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? > >Nyx, former Heirarch of Entropy, a he or a she? > > >P.S. In my newly acquired IM1, Djaea, Heirarch of Matter is also a man. My > >only other printed material of Djaea is the First Quest book, Son of Dawn. > >The prologue scene with the Immortals in Pandius, has this to say: "Her > form > >was that of a mature and lovely woman, her mought tightened in a thin line. > >Her seraching gaze took in..." > > > According to WotI the form which each of them typically "wears" is female, > but that certainly doesn't preclude them from having male forms as well. As > described in WotI, Hel has at least one male form. I believe one or more of > Ixion's personae worshipped in Sind is female. And IIRC, the gender of "The > Inquisitor" is never made clear in the Savage Coast material, which could > mean that Vanya's Narvaezan following assumes The Inquisitor is male. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:25:54 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - AC Series <> Hello and Welcome! I'm sorry I can't help you in German, but I will do my best in English. <> AC7 includes a master-level adventure for when your characters are considering immortality, but otherwise it's not terribly special. <> They're the same dragons and giants, but there are additional notes, rules, and descriptions for each and special adventures featuring giants or dragons for all levels of characters. It also includes a random spell generator for spellcasting dragons. I would recommend AC10. As for AC4, it's a good supplement with many "miscellaneous magic items" (perhaps someone can provide the german translation?) It has many good ideas, and it would make a good addition to your collection, but it's not necessary. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:37:29 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail dood, real world lamellar is basically shiny plastic, nothing more. Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of the Starwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:18:26 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended I'm going to make use of this spell tonight! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 1:09 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended > All, > > Attached is the modified version of my spel, "Death's Arrow". Thanks to those > of the list who pointed out how overpowered it was - hope you like this > version better. > > Carl Q. > > - > > Death's Arrow > Level: 3 > Range: 150' > Duration: Special > Effect: 1 missile > This spell is an unusual and powerful variant of the standard Magic Missile > spell. It creates only one, single missile, which causes 1d6+1 hp damage, as > normal. However, each round after striking, the magic flares up within the > target, causing an additional 1d4+1 hp damage every round. This continues > until either the spell is Dispelled, the target dies, or the duration expires > - the spell lasts for two rounds, plus one round for every two levels above > 3rd (3 rounds at 5th, 4 at 7th, etc). A healing spell (anything from Cure > Light Wounds to Heal) will both repair damage to the target, and place the > Death's Arrow effect into abeyance for as many Turns as the level of the > spell (i.e. 1 Turn for Cure Light Wounds, 4 Turns for Cure Serious Wounds, > etc). Once this period expires, the Death's Arrow resumes its damage-dealing > from the point it was interrupted. > > The Death's Arrow spell was devised by the Forester Vodelle Holvath, whose > scout-party were wiped out by a renegade Ylari Wizard, called Kolek > Al-Dharan, and his bandit horde in 902 AC. Unable to match him in spellcraft, > but far superior with a weapon, she created this spell to cause continual > damage to its target, depriving him of spellcasting abilities (since the pain > and shock of repeated injury can easily spoil spellcasting attempts), making > him easy meat for her blade. This is considered by the Vyalia to be her > signature spell; however, it is also classed by some as "revenge-magic". > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:45:48 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail > dood, real world lamellar is basically shiny plastic, nothing more. > Excuse me? then how come they have it listed as a armor in the AD&D supplement skills&powers along with some things like improved chain(?), and cord armor(?)? Any help with any of these since there not in the arms&equitment guide would be of great help. Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:54:17 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail trust me, real world lamellar is not bad armour, it's just hard to find, expensive (tho not as expensive as metallic armour) and difficult to wear. It would be like wearing a bulletproof jacket or Tough-AC or something, ok? It works well for those that can't afford full plate or something, and is light enough that it can be worn by most with little to no encumberance. whether or not the people at WoTC (oops, hasbro now . . .) can get that into their heads, is of little difference to me. Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of the Starwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:58:37 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Elves and Elvish chainmail personally however, i'd rather stick to my trusty elven chain, if i can ever find it again . . . Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of the Starwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:08:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Magic Earring Rob Subject: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis and Karmeikos - my .02 I figured I'd throw my .02 into this debate before it goes away. While there is a lot of pro and anti bias for each country, I think we can look at this logically. 1) The Callari seem to have a good realtionship with King Stefan. While they might not fight to the death to defend him, I don't see why they would side with Thyatis or ignore the invasion. 2) I'll be honest, I don't know much of anything about the Vyalia. Their relationship with Stefan seems distant and their loyalties might lie with their Thyatian kin. But I can't see elves being too eager to participate in a human war of mere conquest, especially if other elves line up with Stefan. 3) The Alfheim and Alphatian refugees might not have any particular loyalty to Stefan, and they might just ramble on to the next welcoming country. Yet both groups are running out of places that would welcome them and I'm sure they are tired of being kicked around. I think their gratitude towards Stefan and the Alphatian's hatred of Thyatis would cause them to side with Karameikos 4) The native Traladarans have plenty of reasons to hate some of Stefan's Thyatain Barons, but Stefan's reforms have won over many of them. They may not be too eager to side with the Thyatian lords of Karameikos, but they would hardly welcome the conquest. Why would they want to replace Thyatians with...more Thyatians?? ("Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.") 5) There are many Thyatian nobles in Karameikos that have no particular love for Stefan, but that does not automatically meant they would become traitors to their oaths of fealty and side with an invader. Whatever their ties to Thyatis, I doubt more than a small number of them would want to exchange being big fish in Karameikos than being small fish in an occipied territory of a huge empire. Of course, well placed bribes and promises could help Thyatis exploit this rift in Karameikos. 6) Thyatians in general in Karameikos may come from the empire but do not necessarily have any loyalty to it; they are now citizens of Karameikos. Most of them would likely side with Karameikos, just like the vast majority of German and Japanese Americans were loyal to the US in World War II. 7) The WDL may be pretty impotent (the Mystara equivalent of the UN) but now that Alphatia is gone, there is no large power to keep the ambitions of Thyatis in check. The known world nations would become quite nervous if Thyatis turned its ambitions west instead of east. They may side with Karameikos fearing that they would be next if Stefan falls. 8) Whatever divisions exist in Karameios or the known world, when confronted with a common foe, differences tend to be forgotten, at least temporarily. The Savage Baronies, for example, were at war with each other until Hule invaded. Both Hule and Naravez prompted war with their neighbors to unite factions within their countries. 9) Thyatis is still consolodating its hold on the captured Alphatian territores and no doubt is interested in exploiting the hollow world. Its resources are still drained from the war and its post war conquests. Another war might strain the military or the economy of Thyatis to the breaking point. 10) Could the military of Thyatis destroy the forces of Karameikos? Of course, eventually. Could they hold the country? Most likely not, especially in their current state. Remember that Thyatis was driven out of Ylauam by the natives. The reason that Karameikos is a nation is because the emperor traded it to Stefan because he did not want to devote the resources necessary to tame the natives. Why would things change? When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the world, he replied, ``To thicken the plot.'' "Computers are useless; they can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso "I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet, but I haven't got my orders decoded yet." William S. Burroughs Robert Fernandez "Plays Well With Others" rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu AIM: Gamaliel8 http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~rfernand ICQ: 37895987 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:19:22 -0500 From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:30:46 -0700 "Mr. Darknerd" writes: > > "Ha, my spies will be there as well and provoke a war between > Alphatia and Thyatis, while secretly, we plant our people in high > places to someday organize the Traldar to take over Karameikos, and > then claim it for ourselves in the name of Bogdan.", hisses a voice > behind a smoky mirror. Wait was that Bozdogan I heard? We found the Master's agent! Quickly, bring out the boiling oil! And the "Comfy Chair"! He'll tell us his contacts in minutes, and the List will be free of the Master's corruption!! Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:35:05 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis and Karmeikos - my .02 Good Point, I like them. One thing I think the Vyalia of Thyatis might fight humans during a war but could never bring themselves to killing other friendly elves, however more likely they would provide other things for Thyatis. The much Superior elven bows & elven armors, perhaps a quicker and much more crowded forester courses, or a gaurantee of border protection. > I figured I'd throw my .02 into this debate before it goes away. While > there is a lot of pro and anti bias for each country, I think we can look > at this logically. > > 1) The Callari seem to have a good realtionship with King Stefan. While > they might not fight to the death to defend him, I don't see why they > would side with Thyatis or ignore the invasion. > > 2) I'll be honest, I don't know much of anything about the Vyalia. Their > relationship with Stefan seems distant and their loyalties might lie with > their Thyatian kin. But I can't see elves being too eager to participate > in a human war of mere conquest, especially if other elves line up with > Stefan. > > 3) The Alfheim and Alphatian refugees might not have any particular > loyalty to Stefan, and they might just ramble on to the next welcoming > country. Yet both groups are running out of places that would welcome them > and I'm sure they are tired of being kicked around. I think their > gratitude towards Stefan and the Alphatian's hatred of Thyatis would cause > them to side with Karameikos > > 4) The native Traladarans have plenty of reasons to hate some of Stefan's > Thyatain Barons, but Stefan's reforms have won over many of them. They may > not be too eager to side with the Thyatian lords of Karameikos, but they > would hardly welcome the conquest. Why would they want to replace > Thyatians with...more Thyatians?? ("Meet the new boss...same as the old > boss.") > > 5) There are many Thyatian nobles in Karameikos that have no particular > love for Stefan, but that does not automatically meant they would become > traitors to their oaths of fealty and side with an invader. Whatever their > ties to Thyatis, I doubt more than a small number of them would want to > exchange being big fish in Karameikos than being small fish in an occipied > territory of a huge empire. Of course, well placed bribes and promises > could help Thyatis exploit this rift in Karameikos. > > 6) Thyatians in general in Karameikos may come from the empire but do not > necessarily have any loyalty to it; they are now citizens of Karameikos. > Most of them would likely side with Karameikos, just like the vast > majority of German and Japanese Americans were loyal to the US in World > War II. > > 7) The WDL may be pretty impotent (the Mystara equivalent of the UN) but > now that Alphatia is gone, there is no large power to keep the ambitions > of Thyatis in check. The known world nations would become quite nervous if > Thyatis turned its ambitions west instead of east. They may side with > Karameikos fearing that they would be next if Stefan falls. > > 8) Whatever divisions exist in Karameios or the known world, when > confronted with a common foe, differences tend to be forgotten, at least > temporarily. The Savage Baronies, for example, were at war with each other > until Hule invaded. Both Hule and Naravez prompted war with their > neighbors to unite factions within their countries. > > 9) Thyatis is still consolodating its hold on the captured Alphatian > territores and no doubt is interested in exploiting the hollow world. Its > resources are still drained from the war and its post war conquests. > Another war might strain the military or the economy of Thyatis to the > breaking point. > > 10) Could the military of Thyatis destroy the forces of Karameikos? Of > course, eventually. Could they hold the country? Most likely not, > especially in their current state. Remember that Thyatis was driven out of > Ylauam by the natives. The reason that Karameikos is a nation is because > the emperor traded it to Stefan because he did not want to devote the > resources necessary to tame the natives. Why would things change? > > > When Sri Ramakrishna was asked why, if God is good, is there evil in the > world, he replied, ``To thicken the plot.'' > > "Computers are useless; they can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso > > "I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet, > but I haven't got my orders decoded yet." William S. Burroughs > > Robert Fernandez "Plays Well With Others" > rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu AIM: Gamaliel8 > http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~rfernand ICQ: 37895987 > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:26:37 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? > Normally Nyx is a she, I believe - however, one of the forms she chooses to > take is that of the withered old man, which she uses to keep the old stuffy > Hierarchs happy (as opposed to the gothic lass she normally is). What's with the old stuffy Hierarchs? Are the Hierarchs supposed to all appear as male? In IM1, all five hierarchs appear as men, including Djaea who I know is also a female. Surely, gender does not mean that much to the Immortals. And yet again, surely the "feminist" Immortals like Vanya, Tarastia, and possibly Diulanna and Petra would not approve of male dominance. Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:09:59 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Greetings. As part of my player handout, I've been working on adjusting the Immortals clergy into 2nd edition AD&D. (Yes, I know, it's not an exact fit, bear with me...) The Wrath of the Immortals is an excellent resource to begin, but in many ways, there's a lot of new material to work on. Needless to say, part of why I am slow to do this is that I've heard through the grapevine that Spheres of Influence are going away in 3rd Edition. (If you're not familiar with AD&D, priest spells are assigned 'spheres' which they are derived from, so as to make it easier to categorize them.) Obviously the Spheres of AD&D, and the less complex system in OD&D are not going to precisely align, so it's slow and cautious work to say the least, and may be even futile. (Of course, maybe we'll all hate 3rd. :) Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has done any work on the subject as of yet? Myself, I would want at least the level of detail that was presented in the Forgotten Realms Faiths and Avatars manual. (*Takes forty lashes for mentioning another campaign setting*) This may, fortunately or unfortunately as you see it, lead to having to convert the entire Immortal system over to AD&D. (I'm not going to try and build Rome in a day, I will probably concentrate on the Immortals that pertain to my campaign first. The best of settings and details come from actual play.) Adamantyr "It's Specularum, damn it!" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:23:11 +0200 From: sharlene Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Ukkie wrote: > > >===== Original Message From mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com ===== > >I'm french too... > fuck the french! > > really how lucky you are.You know one of the very few English words that has no root in French.that would alow you to speak very slowly , very carefully and only to a person that would overmatch you in intelligence.unfortunately for you no one here is as stupid as you are. now that i have written those few words i realise that i have lost my time for someone who does not deserve it. So long. ps: maybe you should try to get a part in the next South Park movie.you already have the vocabulary. thibault. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:52:59 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? >What's with the old stuffy Hierarchs? Are the Hierarchs supposed to all >appear as male? In IM1, all five hierarchs appear as men, including Djaea >who I know is also a female. Well, I certainly don't think anyone considers IM1 to be particularly authoritative on immortals. Valerias, Alphatia, Terra, Djaea, Hel, and Nyx are all female Hierarchs according to WotI, a much better source IMHO. And Calitha might be a hierarch--I don't remember off the top of my head. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:26:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition >Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has > done any work on the subject as of yet? Actually, Aleksei has been working on preceisely that for a while now (even in the Faiths and Avatars format), in his Immortals Project. I'm pretty sure you can get details at Stan's site, http://dnd.starflung.com , or from Geoff's "Projects List" mailer in the MML digests. Or maybe someone can give his email? Jenn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:46:09 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? My impression of Vanya was certainly not that she had anything against men. Quite the contrary, she is the patron of the victor. She is very much a patron of men. I can easily see men holding her forth as an icon, almost like a celestial Joan of Arc. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Francisco Navarro To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? > > Normally Nyx is a she, I believe - however, one of the forms she chooses > to > > take is that of the withered old man, which she uses to keep the old > stuffy > > Hierarchs happy (as opposed to the gothic lass she normally is). > > What's with the old stuffy Hierarchs? Are the Hierarchs supposed to all > appear as male? In IM1, all five hierarchs appear as men, including Djaea > who I know is also a female. > > Surely, gender does not mean that much to the Immortals. And yet again, > surely the "feminist" Immortals like Vanya, Tarastia, and possibly Diulanna > and Petra would not approve of male dominance. > > Kit Navarro > fanavarro@pacific.net.ph > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - AC Series - --- Jost Westenberg wrote: >I already have a gamemaster screen (with CHALLENGER SERIES on it) is this AC7 or must i have both or which is the better one?< AC7: "Master Player Screen: Featuring 'The Spindle'" is a different product than the Challenger series' DMR1: "Dungeon Master Screen" (I guess this is the one you own). I only have AC7, but I assume whereas DMR1 has DM-relevant information on the screen, AC7 has player-relevant info. AC7's screen has the following information (all for levels 1-36): (inside cover) - -Hit Roll Charts - -Saving Throws - -Thief Special Abilities - -Thief Experience Table - -Cleric Turning Undead Table - -Cleric Spell List - -Magic-User Spell List (outside cover) - -Cleric, Magic-User, Fighter, and Demihuman (with Attack Ranks) Experience Tables Of course the main difference between the two products is that they include different mini-adventures. AC7 has a Master-level adventure called "The Spindle of Heaven". I haven't run it, but have read it, and though brief, it looks interesting and weird. Its suggested placement is in the Sind or Alasiyan (Ylaruam) Deserts. The whole jist of the story is that the players will acquire a few clues as to how to obtain Immortality. Unless you have a high-level campaign (25th level+), it probably won't be useful from a game standpoint. >what is AC10? are there any new dragons or giants in AC10 or is this ony a collection of the dragons & giants from all the other books?< I like AC10. It has a cardboard Dragon Spell Generator, and 15 very short adventures (really no more than lairs), ranging from Basic to Master level, and they alternate between a dragon adventure, and a giant adventure. As far as I can tell, you are left to place the adventures yourself. Each of the OD&D species of dragons and giants gets there own adventure, I believe. At the end of each adventure, there's a few paragraphs explaining a previously unknown aspect about dragons or giants, including how to use dragon body parts for magic items, and information on the gemstone dragons and Dragon Rulers. There's also a nifty chart on the inside cover that, for purposes of scale, shows a human standing next to every basic type of OD&D dragon and giant. Overall, it's pretty useful, since the adventures cover a wide range of character levels, and can be used for quick (one or two hour-long) gaming sessions. >an know the question what is in AC4 and AC11< AC4: "The Book of Marvelous Magic" is a really cool collection of various weird miscellaneous magical items (everything from "Alternate World Gates" to "Zwieback of Zymurgy"). Also included is a new integrated miscellaneous magic item treasure table, and a D&D-AD&D conversion appendix for the items. As a side note, I want to say that I like the visual layout of the book. I believe all of the items are now found in the AD&D 2nd edition "Encyclopedia Magica". Anyway, I highly recommend it if you can find a copy. AC11: "The Book of Wondrous Adventures" consists of several dozen wacky gnomish inventions. Most of them are "joke" inventions, such as "Ardraken's Refreshment Simulacrum", which is really just a Coke machine. Apparently, these inventions were chosen from various fan submissions. Some of the inventions are Mystara-specific, some are Greyhawk-specific, and others are generic. Perhaps the most useful thing is the appendix on "Creating Spells and Magic Items" for OD&D. Other than that, the rest of the book is a humorous read, but probably isn't too useful unless gnomes play a big part in your campaign. >the last think i have: please tell me if you think i shout search for the named moduls or not and when a price and an place where i can get them< I hope my descriptions aid you in deciding whether you want them or not. As far as finding a place to buy them, I can't help you much there. I'd bet that some online game stores may have a copy of one of these from time to time. Shawn's site has a list of suggested stores at http://dnd.starflung.com/links.html (at the bottom of the page). Finally, a good place to help answer future questions about Mystara products is at Marco's site: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystpage.html, in the "List of TSR Products for Mystara" link. Hope this helps. Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #399 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 400 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy [MYSTARA] - mr mapper .... Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Re: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 [MYSTARA] - New member contribution offering Re: [MYSTARA] - Dominion Spreadsheet -- A few sample stats Re: [MYSTARA] - Norwold Independence [MYSTARA] - Gordon McCormick, I know u can Hear ME! Re: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:54:13 EDT From: BoBoII@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos In a message dated 9/17/99 6:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anowack@juno.com writes: << Wait was that Bozdogan I heard? We found the Master's agent! Quickly, bring out the boiling oil! And the "Comfy Chair"! He'll tell us his contacts in minutes, and the List will be free of the Master's corruption!! Aaron Nowack >> Is it just me, or is Aaron a little "too" quick to root out the Master's corruption. Wouldn't that be what the perfect agent of Hule would do to throw suspicion off of himself? Wheels within wheels . . . BoBo II who is not the Masters agent, and does not serve the Holy Ones, and did not sell his soul to Bozdogan to usurp BoBo I . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:10:00 +0200 From: Erewan Laubgaenger Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Components for Armor IronWolf wrote: > > The Armor spell originally debuted in Unearthed Arcana, which explains > why it's > material component seems oddly out of place for a 1st level spell. I > believe the > idea behind the component itself is that the original spell only > provided AC 8, > equivalent to leather armor, thus the leather scrap. The blessing was > the idea > that the mage was manipulating the blessing and extending it's > protective > influence into a more arcane form about him. Obviously, from this, we > can easily > work up a replacement material component. Any ideas for an appropriate > Glantrian > material component? the explanation is very good - so i think an Glantrian mage could use it with fine leather to get AC8 and if it is bleesed the mage could get AC6 but this can lead to the idea to us maybe steelsharts or diamonts..... this is not what i want to. but i will thake the idea to get AC8 without the blees. and a no glantrian mage should also be powerful, even on first level. IBON *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:18:10 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Has anyone ever tried placing the penhaligon trilogy books into a campaign? After reading them recently it appears that the author didnt really try to adhere to much of the cannon material and simply paid lip service to some of the cannon stuff. ie. Mentioning neighbouring nations, mentioning that the Black eagle barony are a nasty crowd. One particularly galling aspect was that Threshold was made out to be a 1 horse town of only a dozen buildings or so....when even the earliest references to the town (Expert rules) have the town at 500 people with a castle and quite an established townsite. Did this cheese anyone else off? Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:41:43 -0500 From: "Daniel " Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Actualy I enjoyed the books, woudl've been nice if it was closer to cannon, then again after Dragonlance (adhering to cannon WAYYYY too much for my taste) it was a relief. - -----Original Message----- From: Murphy, Jason To: 'mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com' Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 3:15 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy >Has anyone ever tried placing the penhaligon trilogy books into a campaign? >After reading them recently it appears that the author didnt really try to >adhere to much of the cannon material and simply paid lip service to some of >the cannon stuff. ie. Mentioning neighbouring nations, mentioning that the >Black eagle barony are a nasty crowd. >One particularly galling aspect was that Threshold was made out to be a 1 >horse town of only a dozen buildings or so....when even the earliest >references to the town (Expert rules) have the town at 500 people with a >castle and quite an established townsite. >Did this cheese anyone else off? > > >Jason Murphy >Software Engineer >MITS Limited >EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au >PHONE: 08 9481 4066 >FAX: 08 9481 4064 > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:09:01 +0200 From: sharlene Subject: [MYSTARA] - mr mapper .... Well steward i don't say no for the map of the town, i do have campaign cartographer , and i will check if it draws cities.If not i would figure out a way to do it.I am Mr mapper after all (don't forget my siamese twin bro christian who work very hard right now to drive me crazy). For those who don't know he is on a big project which will amaze you all.But i don't say anything else , because i don't want to ruin the suspense. thibault. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:24:55 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended In a message dated 17/09/99 22:21:22 GMT Daylight Time, jdaly@friend.ly.net writes: > I'm going to make use of this spell tonight! Excellent, Jeff! Let me know the details (the situation, how it worked out, how you introduced it), will you, please? Nice to know I'm not just writing for my own enjoyment here...;-) Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:03:53 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition >Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has done any work on the subject >as of yet? Myself, I would want at least the level of detail that was >presented in the Forgotten Realms Faiths and Avatars manual. (*Takes >forty lashes for mentioning another campaign setting*) This may, >fortunately or unfortunately as you see it, lead to having to convert >the entire Immortal system over to AD&D. (I'm not going to try and build >Rome in a day, I will probably concentrate on the Immortals that pertain >to my campaign first. The best of settings and details come from actual >play.) Well - I have written out for my campaign details on all the different clerics found in Mystara, in a format similar to the Legends and Lore book. I have also produced a scattering of specialist priestly spells for a few of the faiths that feature heavily in my campaign (Atzanteotl, Ixion, Vanya and Tarastia). I was going to come up with a lot more specialty magic for priesthoods, but as the majority of them are not exactly major players IMC I felt that it wasn't worth the time and effort. Rob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:05:17 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nyx: Male or Female? >>What's with the old stuffy Hierarchs? Are the Hierarchs supposed to all >>appear as male? In IM1, all five hierarchs appear as men, including Djaea >>who I know is also a female. >Well, I certainly don't think anyone considers IM1 to be particularly >authoritative on immortals. Valerias, Alphatia, Terra, Djaea, Hel, and Nyx >are all female Hierarchs according to WotI, a much better source IMHO. And >Calitha might be a hierarch--I don't remember off the top of my head. > I think Calitha is a "mere" Celestial - though I got the "old stuffy Hierarchs" bit from the Codex of the Immortals, not any IM modules. Check out Nyx's description in WotI. Rob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:38:52 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess $735 for Palace of the Silver princess........Sheeeeeeeeeeugar Does anyone know what artwork makes this one so special. Would anyone have a scan of the cover so that i may see for myself? Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:24:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Valerya@webtv.net (Jenn) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess >$735 for Palace of the Silver > princess........Sheeeeeeeeeeugar Does > anyone know what artwork makes this one so > special. Would anyone have a scan of the > cover so that i may see for myself? It's an interesting story (unfortunately, I only know the generalities - maybe someone else knows all the details?). That one you're looking at would be the orange cover. It had some artwork which was considered risque and offensive, and so TSR actually recalled it and re-issued one with a green cover and new artwork. They thought they had all the old orange ones back, till one surfaced at a convention a year or so later, and sold for a ludicrous amount of money. The value has only gone up since. BTW, you can still get the "regular" one (green cover) pretty cheap, if you look around...I recently got mine for $11. Jenn http://www.geocities.com/valerya1 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:09:47 -0500 From: "Daniel " Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess The only one i've ever seen is the green cover...guess it's from living in italy and coming back to the states too late (oh well).....the library near me does hav ea copy of the 1st Deites & Demigods though (with the Chthulu & Elric Mythos) - -----Original Message----- From: Jenn To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess >$735 for Palace of the Silver > princess........Sheeeeeeeeeeugar Does > anyone know what artwork makes this one so > special. Would anyone have a scan of the > cover so that i may see for myself? It's an interesting story (unfortunately, I only know the generalities - maybe someone else knows all the details?). That one you're looking at would be the orange cover. It had some artwork which was considered risque and offensive, and so TSR actually recalled it and re-issued one with a green cover and new artwork. They thought they had all the old orange ones back, till one surfaced at a convention a year or so later, and sold for a ludicrous amount of money. The value has only gone up since. BTW, you can still get the "regular" one (green cover) pretty cheap, if you look around...I recently got mine for $11. Jenn http://www.geocities.com/valerya1 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:34:49 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended Well, basically (and its getting written up for a new Lords of Norwold tale) Count Diego got into a duel with an Alphatian mage. The mage made use of a fear wand (his plan would have been then to ploink Diego full of death arrows while Diego clawed at the invisible duel shield) that ricotched off a ring of spell turning. The death arrow did not get used, unfortunately, but the count did find a copy of the spell on his vanquished foe. In fact, I simply handed him a copy of the mail message. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended > In a message dated 17/09/99 22:21:22 GMT Daylight Time, jdaly@friend.ly.net > writes: > > > I'm going to make use of this spell tonight! > > Excellent, Jeff! Let me know the details (the situation, how it worked out, > how you introduced it), will you, please? > > Nice to know I'm not just writing for my own enjoyment here...;-) > > Carl Q. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:35:41 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Actually, if its the original original, then that would indeed be a special item. I can't remember specifics, but there are certain errors inside, as well as some rather risque artwork. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Murphy, Jason To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 2:38 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess > $735 for Palace of the Silver princess........Sheeeeeeeeeeugar > Does anyone know what artwork makes this one so special. Would anyone have a > scan of the cover so that i may see for myself? > > > > Jason Murphy > Software Engineer > MITS Limited > EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au > PHONE: 08 9481 4066 > FAX: 08 9481 4064 > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:06:14 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_R=F8nne_Faanes?= Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, redrobyne wrote: > > There is a map of Riffliam included in B10. But personally, I don't think > > that it's very good. > Hmm Ok and one last question is Penn haligon mapped thoroughly (maybe the > pennhaigon trilogy?) any where? Penhaligion town isnt mapped anywhere AFAIK. There is a map of the region in the first book of the triology and one in DDA10 Kings Festival, but neither of these are that good. Basically, Penhaligion is a small town surrounded by stone walls, and on a hill in the center of town is the Castle of the three Suns where Baroness Arteris lives. Håvard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." -Mr Garrison, South Park. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:37:21 GMT From: "Louis Sheik" Subject: [MYSTARA] - New member contribution offering Hello, everyone. I'm new on the Mystara-Digest (I couldn't possibly handle all of the single emails from the MML), but have been reading the archives of digests and Shawn Stanley's site for over two years now. Years ago, before I ever even used the Internet, I rendered a brief written sketch of what Oceania would be like if it's interior had nothing to do with it's periphiary. Essentially, an isle which appears desolate to all who pass by it, but is quite different inside. Following that, I designed the beginnings of an Oriental continent that would be in the eastern Sea of Steam (if we refer back to the HW Set / RC map of AC1000 Mystara). If anyone is interested in discussing these ideas, I may be able to update the files and add to them. Email me through the list or privately, but please bear in mind that I only recieve the digests. Thank-you. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:40:06 -0400 From: "Christian Constantin" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Dominion Spreadsheet -- A few sample stats >Thanks to all those who sent in their playtest comments. Using the present >version of the spreadsheet, here are a few dominion stats with extra >comments for color. This information supplements material provided in the Red >Steel box. Sorry for the screwy formatting. > Is it still possible for you to send me the new spreadsheet, or is it available to download somewhere on the web? Christian "Krieg!" Constantin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:03:42 +0200 From: DM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Norwold Independence At Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:12:02 +0000, terry abbott wrote: >What are the odds that,prior to WOTI, Norwold >could have successfully broken away from >Alphtia? >With a strong group of hero at his side {CM 1- >test of the warlords} could King Ericall have >defeated a token Alphtian resistance? >Would his mother only sent a token force? >And what would Thyatis do if this happened? Well, if you play CM1, M1, M2 and M5, there are good chances that Norwold achieves its independence (especially after the outcome of M5). This is due to the fact that Alphatia and Thyatis will probably clash once more before WotI for the possession of Norwold, and this could leave both armies taxed. Norwold could profit and take the opportunity to declare independence, especially after finding the proofs that both Alphatia and Thyatis declared in the past that the territory had to remain out from their control (these documents are in the Great Library of Edairo, Thothia). So, if Norwold played its cards right, it could put Alphatia vs Thyatis to generate a stall situation and it could proclaim its independence, with Thyatis and Alphatia knowing that if either one of them tried to take it over once again, the Norwold rulers will probably ally with the other to repel its invasion.. Now, after WotI the situation becomes more interesting. Thyatis COULD take over Norwold, but the problem is that it's no more important from the strategic point of view. Also, its economy does not permit a major campaign in such a remote region (THyatis must first recover from military losses and must retake the IoD, much more vital for its economy). Add in the new power in the north, the Heldannic Knights, and you'll see Thyatis has no real need to conquer Norwold now. So you could say Norwold's independence is safe.. but you haven't counted the Heldannics' involvement. They're the real winner of WotI and the ones who'll benefit the most from its outcome (Alphatia gone, Ethies at peace, Thyatis weakened). This will lead them to try and conquer the whole north, Norwold included (as PWA showed).. okay, I think I've gone too far with my analysis. let's end it here :) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:05:30 +0200 From: DM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Gordon McCormick, I know u can Hear ME! Hi folks. This is a message directed to Gordon, as u can imply from the header. Since I don't have his address right now, I thought the best way to trace him down was using the list. Okay Gordon, just one question: what's happened to your site? It keeps bouncing me out... Please, let me know.. DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:49:11 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Mime-Version: 1.0 <> Was King's Festival released as DDA10 as well? I've never seen it, but B12, Queen's Harvest, identifies it as B11 IIRC. B12 also shows a map of the area around Penhaligon, but it doesn't really show details. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:17:38 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Death's Arrow - Amended In a message dated 18/09/99 15:37:41 GMT Daylight Time, jdaly@friend.ly.net writes: > Well, basically (and its getting written up for a new Lords of Norwold tale) > Count Diego got into a duel with an Alphatian mage. The mage made use of a > fear wand (his plan would have been then to ploink Diego full of death > arrows while Diego clawed at the invisible duel shield) that ricotched off a > ring of spell turning. The death arrow did not get used, unfortunately, but > the count did find a copy of the spell on his vanquished foe. > > In fact, I simply handed him a copy of the mail message. Shame it didn't come off (although not for Count Diego! ;-); glad the spell's getting some airtime, though. I'll look forward to the Lords of Norwold story! Carl Q. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon Brown Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy - --- "Murphy, Jason" wrote: > Has anyone ever tried placing the penhaligon trilogy > books into a campaign? > I thought I'd read 'em and give it a go - at least try to fill in some local detail based on the characters in the story. But after reading the first one, I don't know that I'm even going to read the second one anytime soon. > After reading them recently it appears that the > author didnt really try to > adhere to much of the cannon material and simply > paid lip service to some of > the cannon stuff. ie. Mentioning neighbouring > nations, mentioning that the > Black eagle barony are a nasty crowd. > Agreed. Some of the references to canon material, in fact, were just plain wrong. Penhaligon is *not* a Barony, therefore Lady Arteris is certainly not a Baroness. Little tangent here: I've seen this mistake made in several places and I don't know why. There are only four baronies in Karameikos(GAZ1, p20): Threshold, Kelvin, Vorloi, & The Black Eagle Barony. Both GAZ1 & KKoA refer to Lady Arteris as the daughter of *Lord* Arturus, founder of Penhaligon. No mention of a Baron or Barony there... I thought the whole thing about The Order of the Three Suns was intriuging, but just got muddled. It wasn't really setting specific. Penhaligon was just another place for a generic fantasy setting void of all the ethnic uniqueness of Traladaran & Thyatian culture. > One particularly galling aspect was that Threshold > was made out to be a 1 > horse town of only a dozen buildings or so....when > even the earliest > references to the town (Expert rules) have the town > at 500 people with a > castle and quite an established townsite. > I didn't get far enough along to read anything about Threshold, but that description sounds almost like the one of Bywater - which was pure Nowheresville. > Did this cheese anyone else off? > I didn't feel the book itself was all that bad. I thought the story had potential & Heinrich has an interesting style of writing. My main complaint is that it really had *nothing* to do with Karameikos except in name. Yeah, I know, alot of people don't like the books to be 'too obsessed w/ the rules' but I don't see the point in a D&D book that doesn't really have anything to do w/ D&D. If I just want to read a good fantasy book, there are plenty of authors out there that are just simply amazing. If I'm reading a book from TSR, it bloody well better have something to do w/ one of the games. (stepping off my soapbox) ;~p I guess the bottom line is if you're looking for an interesting read or some background for a setting that pretty much conflicts w/ canon, I'd say go for it. Just know what it is before reading it... auf wiedersehen, Damon === If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #400 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Sunday, September 19 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 401 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - New member contribution offering Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - mr mapper .... [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] -Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - AC Series [MYSTARA] - Blackflame rekindled [MYSTARA] - Tanagoro HWR Error/edit Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackflame rekindled Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackflame rekindled Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons on Mystara Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] -Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. [MYSTARA] - Spells for the Tanagoro HWR (longish) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:06:10 +0300 From: Solmyr of the Azure Star Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos BoBoII@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/17/99 6:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anowack@juno.com > writes: > > << Wait was that Bozdogan I heard? We found the Master's agent! Quickly, > bring out the boiling oil! And the "Comfy Chair"! He'll tell us his > contacts in minutes, and the List will be free of the Master's > corruption!! > > > Aaron Nowack >> > > Is it just me, or is Aaron a little "too" quick to root out the Master's > corruption. Wouldn't that be what the perfect agent of Hule would do to > throw suspicion off of himself? > > Wheels within wheels . . . > Not really. But he has been on our records ever since his participation in the events known as Mystaran Birthright. We are currently looking into ways to turn him to our cause. Then we can proceed to the true opponent of our Master, the evil tyrant known as James Ruhland. > BoBo II > who is not the Masters agent, and does not serve the Holy Ones, and did not > sell his soul to Bozdogan to usurp BoBo I . Of course not. Alrethus, Scribe of the Master - -- ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:11:09 +1000 From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New member contribution offering >Essentially, an isle which appears desolate to all who pass by >it, but is quite different inside. doesn't mean that people won't land, but then again how far inland does this effect last, what is the purpose of the effect, is it natural or created by the inhabitants. shawn stanley http://dnd.starflung.com what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:27:09 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> > > >I'm french too... > > fuck the french! > > I think we should just forward our last e-mails on this word and save time. However this guy is doing it to the french and not just the imaginary elves! Obviously this guy has some problems perhaps a sailor-l should be created... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:30:52 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - mr mapper .... > Well steward i don't say no for the map of the town, i do have campaign > cartographer , and i will check if it draws cities.If not i would figure > out a way to do it.I am Mr mapper after all Well I'll be looking forward to your discoverys on the program. Stewart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:29:13 EDT From: Scoooman@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] -Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> i believe a more relevant term would be baisez le français, don't you? Meltheim the Shadowstalker Infiltrator to the Immortals Devotee of Fate Eyes of the Starwatcher *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - AC Series - --- Shane Henry wrote: > AC11: "The Book of Wondrous Adventures" consists of > several dozen wacky > gnomish inventions. Oops. I had a slip of the tongue -- AC11's title is "The Book of Wondrous INVENTIONS". Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:09:33 -0400 From: Sharon Dornhoff Subject: [MYSTARA] - Blackflame rekindled Here's a REALLY odd idea, for how to reconcile the MML-created "Nightmare Dimension" theory on blackflame's origin -- and the hins' evident prediliction for the Thought-Sphere -- with Gaz8's reference to the ruling Hierarch of Energy having created the stuff: What if blackfame were, indeed, created and sent to the Shires by the Full Hierarch of Energy... but by the NIGHTMARE DIMENSION'S version, not Ixion? After all, it'd make sense for the ND to have its own quintet of Full Hierarchs, since it's got its own Immortals: Full Hierarchs, whose spheres would correspond to Nightmare versions of Energy, Matter, Time and Thought, plus a Sphere of Stasis as the chaos-loving ND's equivalent of Entropy. And such reigning ND-Immortals might well consider their KW counterparts to be twisted perversions of themselves (!), since the views they hold on stability vs choice (order vs anarchy, as Lawfuls call it, or stagnation vs freedom as Chaotics do) would place them directly at odds. In effect, the ND-Full Hierarch of Energy would be an "anti-Ixion", who'd regard the Sun-Prince as OPPOSED to the Energy-Sphere as it exists in the Nightmare Dimension. Perhaps when the rift opened between dimensions in the Five Shires, this hypothetical "anti-Ixion" got an all-too-clear glimpse of the KW dimension, and was repelled by how Ixion uses his position as master of Energy to enforce order (ick!) and a strict religious hierarchy (aughhh!) on subordinate Energy-Immortals and his mortal worshipers like the Oltecs. To try and sabotage these "evil" practices of his/her Normal counterpart, "anti-Ixion" altered blackflame to make it useful to a Mystaran race -- the hin -- whose natural affinities lay with (Normal) Thought ... the very Sphere which opposes Ixion's, within the Normal continuum. Hin Heroes who then attained Immortality in the Sphere of Thought, under the sponsorship of as-yet-undetermined Mystaran Immortals (probably Frey & Freyja, IMO; Odin doesn't seem light-hearted enough for most hin to look up to, and Korotiku's a bit TOO light-hearted ;-D), also inherited custody of blackflame from "anti-Ixion", after the rift's closure made any contact between the two dimensions too difficult to be feasible. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: [MYSTARA] - Tanagoro HWR Error/edit Well, a kindly reader has pointed out an error in the Tanagoro HWR. Under the witch/abathakati powers, the following is listed: C)Flight is granted as a level one spell, but only at night Obviously, there is no night in the Hollow World. This power existed in the Outer World, but is no longer functional - if a witch travels to the OW, she can utilize it though (and while I never thought of it, a witch or other Tanagoro-specific caster could well cause some havoc in the OW with their powers unknown to folks there). Also, during the eclipse every 1000 years (HWR3, pg. 14, DM's book), witches can use this skill and gain the knowledge of it from Nyx at that time, her/his favorite period of the HW. Sorry that me and Harri made this mistake (well, it's more my fault, and take any blame) - just glad it was caught. - - Mischa You hit the ball, you go find it. Then you hit it again - pro golfer Lon Hinkle, explaining his sport *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:49:47 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackflame rekindled >What if blackfame were, indeed, created and sent to the Shires by the Full >Hierarch of Energy... but by the NIGHTMARE DIMENSION'S version, not Ixion? I like this idea a lot! It would be interesting if someone detailed the nightmare spheres. Time, in particular, could be interesting--would they strive to erase the laws of the space-time continuum, resulting in strange Ravenloft-like (or perhaps nightmarelike) places which cross the boundaries of time and space. Anyway, cool idea! Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:59:50 -0400 From: "SteelAngel" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Blackflame rekindled > Time, in particular, could be interesting--would they > strive to erase the laws of the space-time continuum, resulting in strange > Ravenloft-like (or perhaps nightmarelike) places which cross the boundaries > of time and space. Or maybe the Nightmare Time Hierarchs are the guys who, instead of keeping the time-stream constant and contiguous, prefer to play around with alternate realities. Perhaps the Oard are their progeny? Hmm.. Ethan *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:57:52 +1000 From: anakin Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Demons on Mystara The way I used this in my campaign was to make encounters with such creatures extremely rare, these demons were the creatures operating behind the scenes on behalf of the entropic immortals carrying out their nefarious plans and acting as their hands on mystara. Andrew Theisen wrote: > The mention of Razrog and Itheldown on the list recently, as well as some > things I'm doing with Immortals, has spurred this observation- > > The Demons from the Gold Box Immortals set are so much more powerful than > either the AD&D 2nd Edition Demons/Tanar'ri or even the "Fiends" from the > WotI boxed set. > > I was curious as to what others do with this information in their campaign > worlds. Personally, I sort of prefer the stronger demons of the original > Immortals set, but they do seem a bit overpowered for mortal level > campaigns (even Masters level campaigns). The original reasoning, of > course, was that they *were* the Immortals of Entropy, or at least were the > majority of them with a few individual Entropics (such as Orcus and > Demogorgon, both high level Eternals) having less 'generic' traits. > > However, I can see where that idea may have been discarded, both for > purposes of individualizing the Entropic Immortals, and to allow more use > for the Demons/Fiends in mortal level campaigns. > > I would be interested in hearing other thoughts on the roles of those > demons, their power levels, and (perhaps) how the 2nd Edition Planescape > stuff (Blood War, Tanar'ri and Baatezu, etc) have been adopted/adapted for > individual Mystaran campaigns. > > ----- > > Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen > Aspiring screenwriter, actor, and gadabout > jsmill@wans.net > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:17:03 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy I actually like the Penhaligon trilogy as a story, but not especially well with Mystara. As stated, it doesn't follow the material. I do think they rate slightly better than the Dragonlord of Mystara series, though. They were 'not bad' either, but the characters and situations were oddly uninteresting, and the action nearly devoid. I found them a decent read, but they didn't make me want to pick them back up anytime soon. It's all a matter of taste, of course. The first AD&D fantasy series I actually liked and got into was the Icewind Dale Trilogy, which are classic heroic fantasy. (Salvatore's later works have changed, though, he is fleshing out and developing the characters, but it detracts from the adventure of the earlier ones. I'm not saying the later books aren't good, just that they lack the light-hearted fun the prior ones did.) Adamantyr "It's Specularum, damn it!" (In case you're wondering, this is my personal sentiment on the renaming of the capital city of Karameikos in the Kingdom of Karameikos box setting.) Damon Brown wrote: > --- "Murphy, Jason" > wrote: > > Has anyone ever tried placing the penhaligon trilogy > > books into a campaign? > > >  I thought I'd read 'em and give it a go - at least > try to fill in some local detail based on the > characters in the story. But after reading the first > one, I don't know that I'm even going to read the > second one anytime soon. > > > After reading them recently it appears that the > > author didnt really try to > > adhere to much of the cannon material and simply > > paid lip service to some of > > the cannon stuff. ie. Mentioning neighbouring > > nations, mentioning that the > > Black eagle barony are a nasty crowd. > > >   Agreed. Some of the references to canon material, in > fact, were just plain wrong. Penhaligon is *not* a > Barony, therefore Lady Arteris is certainly not a > Baroness. Little tangent here: I've seen this mistake > made in several places and I don't know why. There are > only four baronies in Karameikos(GAZ1, p20): > Threshold, Kelvin, Vorloi, & The Black Eagle Barony. > Both GAZ1 & KKoA refer to Lady Arteris as the daughter > of *Lord* Arturus, founder of Penhaligon. No mention > of a Baron or Barony there... >   I thought the whole thing about The Order of the > Three Suns was intriuging, but just got muddled. It > wasn't really setting specific. Penhaligon was just > another place for a generic fantasy setting void of > all the ethnic uniqueness of Traladaran & Thyatian > culture. > > > One particularly galling aspect was that Threshold > > was made out to be a 1 > > horse town of only a dozen buildings or so....when > > even the earliest > > references to the town (Expert rules) have the town > > at 500 people with a > > castle and quite an established townsite. > > >   I didn't get far enough along to read anything about > Threshold, but that description sounds almost like the > one of Bywater - which was pure Nowheresville. > > > Did this cheese anyone else off? > > >   I didn't feel the book itself was all that bad. I > thought the story had potential & Heinrich has an > interesting style of writing. My main complaint is > that it really had *nothing* to do with Karameikos > except in name. >   Yeah, I know, alot of people don't like the books to > be 'too obsessed w/ the rules' but I don't see the > point in a D&D book that doesn't really have anything > to do w/ D&D. If I just want to read a good fantasy > book, there are plenty of authors out there that are > just simply amazing. If I'm reading a book from TSR, > it bloody well better have something to do w/ one of > the games. > > (stepping off my soapbox) ;~p > >   I guess the bottom line is if you're looking for an > interesting read or some background for a setting that > pretty much conflicts w/ canon, I'd say go for it. > Just know what it is before reading it... > > auf wiedersehen, > Damon > === > If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:42:36 -0500 (CDT) From: CronoCloud@webtv.net (Ron Rogers) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy I don't consider the Penhaligon trilogy to be canon. It was a good read but it is not faithful to Mystara or to Gaz 1. It was obviously shoehorned into the setting. On thing I did like was Verdilith the nastiest literary dragon since Mistinarperadnacles (Mist of Azure Bonds. The things that cheesed me off the most had to do with Flinn's knighthood. There were very specific rules on gaining and losing Knighthood in Gaz 1. 1. Only the Royal Family can grant titles other than Court Lordship. In other words the Penhaligons could not Knight anyone. 2. To lose one's Knighthood one must actually tried and convicted. The trial requires a judge of Knight status or higher and the jury has to have a certain number of people of a certain status in it. Since Flinn was never formally tried, he never lost his Knighthood. As a Knight, Flinn should have known the relevant laws. 3. To gain formal recognition of Johauna as his squire requires only a simple letter to the Duke. All a knight has to do is request that Court Lordship be granted. I believe it is pretty much automatic. CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) Yep, I bought Final Fantasy VIII on Sept 10. What do you expect considering my e-mail nic. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:01:09 -0500 From: "Daniel " Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy He was tried and convicted. IF you go back and look he states that his wife even stood against him and it was her testimony that convicted him. - -----Original Message----- 2. To lose one's Knighthood one must actually tried and convicted. The trial requires a judge of Knight status or higher and the jury has to have a certain number of people of a certain status in it. Since Flinn was never formally tried, he never lost his Knighthood. As a Knight, Flinn should have known the relevant laws. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:50:27 -0500 (CDT) From: CronoCloud@webtv.net (Ron Rogers) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. Daniel writes: He was tried and convicted. IF you go back and look he states that his wife even stood against him and it was her testimony that convicted him. But it was not a formal trial with Judge, advocates, jury etc. and that is what Karameikan law requires. Flinn was accused of not offering mercy during battle, how would his wife's testimony be valid. Basically, Flinn ran away without being tried. CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri - --- Damon Brown wrote: > > --- SteelAngel wrote: > > IIRC, spell components for research are part of > the > > bill for getting the > > new spell, right? > > > I believe so... at least for part of them. I'm > basing my rule on Gaz > 2 which I don't have access to at the moment. But I > believe it said > something along the lines of having to go on quests > to find some of the > components to actually research the spell. Thus, you > have a series of > adventure ideas. That's pretty much my take on it > anyway - it could be > a misinterpretation. Anyone? Bruce? AC11: "The Book of Wondrous Inventions" has a section on creating OD&D spells and magic items. It states that... "...the wizard must find components for [the researched] spell. The nature and number of components are up to the DM or the players, the average being one per spell level. Typical components could be red dragon scales for a potion of fire resistance, fresh troll blood for a ring of regeneration, a unicorn's horn for a cloak of dimension door, etc. Limits are up to the players' and DM's imaginations. In other words, before attempting spell research, a magic-user must go on an adventure to acquire the basic spell components needed." Of course AD&D spell creation has been dealt with in numerous sources. Shane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:48:50 -0500 From: "Daniel " Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. As far as we know, I get the feelign that the author left a good deal of stuff out. Also remember though that as far as we know the story could take place pre-1010AC, the Duke had been around for a good 30 years before. - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Rogers To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com Date: Sunday, September 19, 1999 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. Daniel writes: He was tried and convicted. IF you go back and look he states that his wife even stood against him and it was her testimony that convicted him. But it was not a formal trial with Judge, advocates, jury etc. and that is what Karameikan law requires. Flinn was accused of not offering mercy during battle, how would his wife's testimony be valid. Basically, Flinn ran away without being tried. CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:45:00 +0200 From: Lostboy@t-online.de (Klaus Kischkat) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition The Immortal-Project www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/Mystara/IP/immoproject.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: IronWolf To: Mystara Mailing List Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 2:09 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition > Greetings. > > As part of my player handout, I've been working on adjusting the > Immortals clergy into 2nd edition AD&D. (Yes, I know, it's not an exact > fit, bear with me...) The Wrath of the Immortals is an excellent > resource to begin, but in many ways, there's a lot of new material to > work on. > > Needless to say, part of why I am slow to do this is that I've heard > through the grapevine that Spheres of Influence are going away in 3rd > Edition. (If you're not familiar with AD&D, priest spells are assigned > 'spheres' which they are derived from, so as to make it easier to > categorize them.) Obviously the Spheres of AD&D, and the less complex > system in OD&D are not going to precisely align, so it's slow and > cautious work to say the least, and may be even futile. (Of course, > maybe we'll all hate 3rd. :) > > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has done any work on the subject > as of yet? Myself, I would want at least the level of detail that was > presented in the Forgotten Realms Faiths and Avatars manual. (*Takes > forty lashes for mentioning another campaign setting*) This may, > fortunately or unfortunately as you see it, lead to having to convert > the entire Immortal system over to AD&D. (I'm not going to try and build > Rome in a day, I will probably concentrate on the Immortals that pertain > to my campaign first. The best of settings and details come from actual > play.) > > Adamantyr > > "It's Specularum, damn it!" > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:29:04 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Re: [MYSTARA] -Message-Id:<19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> if it is just the language then i am not offended anymore.But then i don't think it was a thought worth sharing with the MML.If that person has difficulties with the french language, he can mail me privately i may help him share the beautiful though sometime difficult flavour of my mother tongue.Enough on the subject now. thib Scoooman@aol.com a écrit: > i believe a more relevant term would be baisez le français, don't you? > > Meltheim the Shadowstalker > Infiltrator to the Immortals > Devotee of Fate > Eyes of the Starwatcher > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:10:52 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy Flinn's trial. >Daniel writes: He was tried and convicted. IF you go back and look he >states that his wife even stood against him and it was her testimony >that convicted him. > > >But it was not a formal trial with Judge, advocates, jury etc. and that >is what Karameikan law requires. Flinn was accused of not offering >mercy during battle, how would his wife's testimony be valid. >Basically, Flinn ran away without being tried. While I certainly agree that the trilogy fits Mystaran canon loosely at best, I liked the Order of the Three Suns and the fact that lesser lords could create their own systems of fealty and even orders of knights without Stefan's meddling. IMC I use the Order and Arteris is referred to Baroness and Lady interchangeably--it was, IMO, the easiest way of better-integrating a good novel into Karameikos. I still haven't worked out a kinship diagram trying to rectify B12, GAZ1/K:KoA, and the trilogy, but once I do I'll go ahead and post it. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:58:46 EDT From: CQuaif@aol.com Subject: [MYSTARA] - Spells for the Tanagoro HWR (longish) All, The following are some spells I worked up to complement Mischa and Harri's Tanagoro HWR. Some are extrapolated from spells mentioned by them in the text; others are ideas which came to me after reading the HWR. I've already sent them to Mischa; with his kind permission, I now present them for the edification of the MML. Comments and crits would be appreciated. Carl Q. - - Gentle Birth Level: 1 (Witch Doctor/Herbalist) Range: touch Duration: special (see below) Effect: eases birthing pains This is a simple, commonly known, yet vitally important spell to the Tanagoro, whose relatively-primitive living standards make childbirth a risky proposition for both humans and cattle. Cast at the onset of labour, it ensures an easy delivery for both mother and child, as the spell relaxes tense muscles (except those necessary for birthing), gently turns the baby into the best position for emerging, and prevents or cures internal bleeding caused by the birth trauma. A trained midwife is still advisable, however, since the spell cannot deal with unusual circumstances (the cord wrapped around the baby's neck, for example). There are both Clerical and Magical versions of this spell available; it is very unusual for a village or clan not to have at least one spellcaster capable of casting the spell. Fertility Level: 2 (Witch Doctor/Herbalist) Range: 10' Duration: 3 days Effect: increases chance for conception This useful spell is frequently employed during the auroch breeding season to encourage the growth of the herds; it is also employed to assist human couples who are having difficulty conceiving a child. The spell is usually cast on the male (since the male auroch will fertilise many females), but may just as easily be cast on a female. Once cast, the spell increases the chance for successful conception by 5% per level of the caster, to a maximum of 90%. Moreover, any child so conceived will be both healthy and free from physical defects at birth (although later injury or illness will affect them normally). Due to the Tanagoro taboo against twin births, this spell will only ever permit one child to be gestated - even in creatures where multiple births are the norm. Note: No Witch Doctor or Herbalist will cast this spell more than three times per year on human subjects, nor more than once in a lifetime for any one couple - too-frequent usage of the spell is frowned upon, denoting a weakness in the tribe's reproductive capabilities. It may be used with greater frequency on animal subjects, however. Both Clerical and Magical versions of this spell are available. Mystic Brand* Level: 2 Range: touch Duration: permanent Effect: permanent tattoos This common Mage spell is used primarily to painlessly mark the ears of individual aurochs to denote ownership, although other uses are often made of it. The spell requires the caster (or some other person) to paint the chosen design on the auroch's ear. When cast, the spell permanently binds that design to the flesh as if tattooed or branded into the skin. Once cast, the design cannot be painted over, altered by tattoos, or be covered by another Mystic Brand. The spell is sometimes used to decorate the bodies of humans - some Witch Doctors (and, for that matter, Witches) use it to denote their status, and a simple, 1st-level variation (Lightning Brand) is used to mark the faces of nascent Weather-Herders. The reverse of this spell (Unbrand) causes the Brand to revert to simple paint again; it may then be washed off with ease. This version of the spell is used when transferring ownership of an auroch; for legal purposes, both the old and new owners, plus at least one independent witness, must be on hand when the spell is cast to verify the change. The spell is sometimes abused by cattle-thieves and Witches, who illegally change the Brands to assume ownership of another's herds. Those caught performing this crime are punished severely. Leopard Song Level: 3 (Abathakati) Range: 1 mile Duration: 3 Turns Effect: summons leopards within range Among the most feared of Abathakati are those served by mighty leopards, tamed to their will. This spell is used to provide leopard servitors to undergo that training. During casting, the Witch enters a deep trance and hums incessantly; the spell's magic transforms that hum into a summoning signal of ultrasonic frequency, keyed to the ears of any leopards within 1 mile of the caster. Such beasts cannot resist the call, and (if the DM decides there are leopards in the vicinity) 1d4 of them will arrive at the caster's position within 3 Turns. Once they appear, the leopards are under no compulsion to stay, or to obey the caster (unless the Witch casts Brother to Leopards - see below), and are likely to attack unless trapped, killed, or restrained. If trapped, the leopards can be trained by one skilled in the art, if they are still young enough (35% chance per leopard appearing); otherwise, they must either be released - perhaps into an enemy village? - or killed for their skins. Brother to Leopards Level: 4 (Abathakati) Range: see below Duration: 1d6 + 6 Turns Effect: controls leopards This powerful spell, like Dark Thoughts (see below), allows the Witch to circumvent the Hollow World's strictures concerning coercive magics. To cast this spell, the Witch must prepare and make a cloak and headdress from the skin and skull of an adult leopard (although the Witch need not be party to the killing), and wear it for the duration of the spell. When cast, the spell causes the caster's glands to emit powerful pheromones which convince any nearby leopards that the Witch is the dominant member of their pack (no saving throw). None will attack the caster, and all leopards within 50' of the caster obey his mental commands, which are transmitted via pheromonal changes. Witches employing Brother to Leopards must avoid wet weather, which washes the pheromones out of the air, reducing the spell's effect to 5' radius. Consequently, Witches using this spell hate Weather-Herders, whose Create Water ability can severely curtail their effectiveness. A leopard who finds itself outside the spell's effective range, if not already trained to obedience, will be confused; if not attacked, or attracted by the scent of blood, it will usually run off at the first opportunity. The leopardskin cloak and headdress can be reused for this spell indefinitely. Inflict Level: 4 (Abathakati) Range: see below Duration: 6 Turns (and see below) Effect: extends spell range This unique spell enables the Witch to cast spells which normally have a range of "touch" at an ever-increasing distance. For every three levels of experience the Witch has (rounded down), the secondary spell's range may be extended by 10' (so an 8th-level Witch can cast such spells at up to 20' away). Once cast, the Inflict spell lasts for 6 Turns, or until 1 touch-related spell has been extended by its effects, whichever comes first. The Inflict spell, and any spells cast under its aegis, require the use of some form of ritual object to cast successfully; usually a carved wand made of human bone, or a ritual dagger consecrated in human blood, although almost anything might be used - every Witch has an individual item which they use to cast the spell. Should that item be lost, stolen, broken, or destroyed, the Witch may not use Inflict (or its effects) until a new ritual object has been created and consecrated, an exhausting and exacting process which can take weeks to complete. Dark Thoughts Level: 5 (Abathakati) Range: 10' per level of caster Duration: see below Effect: slow corruption This spell is a special gift from Nyx to her most skilled (Mage) or devoted (Cleric) Witches, enabling them to spread the corruptive powers of Entropy amongst the Tanagoro. It twists the Spell of Preservation as far as mortal magic possibly can; hence, only Witches who have visited the Land of Strange Magicks at least once will have access to this spell. The spell allows the Witch to project evil, seductive thoughts into the mind of a chosen victim within range. These are received as soft, skittering words in the back of the mind; the target is unaware of them on a conscious level, but will find his mood and outlook - even his personality - slowly darkening as time goes by. The spell lasts for 12 hours, unless the caster is interrupted, either by choice or outside interference; the caster can perform normal (i.e. non-combative, non-spellcasting) actions while maintaining the effect. At each casting of the spell, the victim is entitled to a Saving Throw vs. Spells to see how much it affects him; each time he fails, his personality and outlook grows a little darker, and he suffers -1 to the next throw (cumulative - note that the caster must renew and cast Dark Thoughts each day, or the cumulative effects are lost). If a target fails three times in a row, the spell takes full effect, and the victim falls into the Witch's power - - he must obey any commands given by the Witch as if Charmed. This spell is more powerful than a standard Charm in one respect - since the victim's personality has been shifted towards the darker end of the spectrum, he will obey commands to kill others or perform other tasks against his nature (in oD&D game terms, although the Alignment ethos [Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic] does not change, the target is converted to Evil). Once fully realised, the Charm effect of the Dark Thoughts spell lasts for 13 days before fading. At this point, the victim's former personality returns; however, all memories of the Charmed period remain, which often drives the unfortunate victim to madness, evil, or suicide (assuming he has not been slain for his crimes). Use of this spell is an extremely evil act. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #401 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Sunday, September 19 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 402 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs. Everyone (long) [MYSTARA] - Oceania & my new email address Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy [MYSTARA] - Nightmare Dimension and Myth of Creation (was: Blackflame rekindled) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:43:03 +0100 From: "Paul George Dooley" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - The Armor Spell and Glantri SNIP > Any other thoughts on the subject? Perhaps there is a secret spell of the Radiance which can bless leather which is prepared by a Shepherd of Rad? Sort of bang your head against the gong 50 times and win a prize *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:14:44 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos In a message dated 9/13/99 1:04:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, habgyp@yahoo.com writes: << There seems to be quite a bit going around about the possibile outcome of a Thyatian invasion of Karameikos and while *any* result is completely theoretical, I am a bit bothered by some of the arguments made in favor of Thyatis "crushing" Karameikos. It seems some people out there really do not like Karameikos...>> Truthfully....I am not the greatest fan of the Kingdom of Karameikos. I preferred it as the Grand Duchy. Why? Well... basically Karameikos has become a world power literally overnight. Most coming from Wrath...which seemed only to benefit Karameikos...and well Glantri too. Then again, I am not the biggest fan of Wrath either. For that matter my Mystaran national preferences reside with Alphatia....preWrath Alphatia. << Anyway, the first thing I'm concerned by is the argument that the ethnic tension in Karameikos would make them incompetent in the face of an outside threat to their sovereignty. If Thyatis were to invade Karameikos, they would be attacking 'Karamiekans' of both Traladaran & Thyatian-descent. >> Yes...the different ethnicities are present and should factor in. IMO Stefan...for some reason...has cemented these peoples into some form of unity. When he passes on, will his heirs be able to do the same? As for the mixed karameikans, well they themselves have become a seperate ethnic group, further complicating matters. It would be unwise to categorize each ethnic group as being this way or that in regards to their loyalties in an invasion. You'd probably have the ethnic groups splintered in various sects with differing beliefs. Ethnicities asside, I'd like to think the majority would be opposed to any invasion by any nation. How they oppose depends upon the individuals. << Some people have also said that many of the Thyatian-Karameikan nobles would side with Thyatis in an invasion. My question is simple: Why? Regardless of the feelings they may have toward Stefan personally, they are all reasonable enough to understand that they have more say in the sovereignty of an independent Karameikos than in a Thyatian colony. Can you say big fish in a small pond? Besides, they left Thyatis for a reason... and those that are children of those who left seem to be following in the footsteps of their parents.>> I'll agree with you here...at least to a degree. As nobles of Karameikos *regardless of hereditary origins) a hostile takeover would see many of them stripped of their lands and titles. The exceptions being those that sold out before the invasion. Myself, I see the Alfheim, Alphatians, and Vyalia being more prone to this. Of course Stefan being king would influence their stance as well. His being in power solidiefies at least a degree of support from the various factions...afterall he is Karameikos. Without him, It is just good ole Traldara. << The theory that the Traladarans wouldn't support the Kingdom also seems ridiculous to me. If most of them didn't like 'Stefan's Thyatian invasion', why would they like an all-out Thyatian invasion any better? At least in Karameikos they are given an opportunity to participate in the government. Even the most hard-line Traladarans will concede that Stefan gives at least lip-service to Traladaran equality. Think they'd get that as a conquered land of Thyatis? I think not... just ask the Pearl Islanders, Ochaleans, or Hinterlanders (not to mention various cultures on the Isle of Dawn).>> To be honest I am unsure how the Traldarans would react. I think most would react defensively to any invaders. What they have now under Stefan's rule is known and can be livable (lesser of two perceived evils). Whereas Thyatian conquest brings an uncertain future. However if they see the opportunity to regain their soveriegnty I'd say they'd try to topple any non-Traldaran ruler. Of course being rather disunified...it'd take some striking figure to rally the people. << As far as the elves... I agree that the Vyalia would remain neutral(unless attacked), but the Calarii would certainly fight for Karameikos. Gaz1 & KKoA both talk about the Calarii's admiration for Stefan. Remember the Elven Guard? And forget about the nonsense of not being given their own dominion - dominions are a human concept. Stefan has let the Calarii rule themselves without interference; what do they care for titles? And as for the Alfheim refugees - oh yeah, like they're going to let someone else come in and bully them again. They're at a breaking point - they've been run out of their homeland and they're certainly not going to be conquered again without a fight. >> I think the Calarii and Alfheim would support Stefan to a point. But if circumstances made it possible that they and their holdings were threatened I doubt that they would risk life, limb, and clan for a human kingdom that has only officially existed for a few years. And as mentioned the Calarii (and I assumed the Alfheim too) practice a large degree of self rule...what do they need Stefan's central goverment for. It may be different if the invaders were Noids or even Glantrians or anyone else. But Thyatis was until recently the recognized owner of Karameikos/Traldara so it would be seen as the Thyatians just reclaiming what is theirs. As for the Elven attunement to their homelands, it is presented in CBofElves. And it is inferred in various Mystaran texts. The Shadow Elves attuned themselves to living underground breaking away from the traditional elf. The Alfheimers were supposedly invincible in their homeland of Canolbarth. The Shattenalffen of HW still live below ground and retain Shadow Elf attributes. Those living on the surface for extended periods have become attuned to the rays of the sun and can stay out indefinitely. Those aside, can you honestly say that the Alfheim in Karameikos hold their new forest in such affection as they do Canolbarth evn now in its twisted status? How did the Calarii react when the Thyatians first invaded Traldara? As for the Vylia I noted someone else noticed the alterring attitudes of those in Thyatis and those in Karameikos. Personally I think there must be some animosity existing between the elves and Karameikans. Whereas Thyatis lets them be. I do not know....but it still must be considered in the big picture. BTW- IIRC the Calarii are not thrilled with the Alfheimers coming to Karameikos. IIRC it deals with their fears of intrusion upon the prexisting Clan holdings. PWAs make reference to the Calarii exagerating the Alfheim's numbers. << That leaves the Alphatians. Let's face it, the Alphatians would certainly blame the Thyatians as much as anyone for the sinking of their Empire. The Karamiekans stayed out of the war and were at least passively supportive of Alphatia. The Alphatian refugees aren't just going to ignore Thyatian agression in their new home. Is it realistic to say they would just up and leave if Karameikos was conquered by Thyatis? Probably not. Where are they going to go? Glantri? ;~P>> I'll agree that the Alphers have animosity for the Thyatians. However for the sinking i would say they hold Glantri as being more to blame for that. If they blame thyatis for anything it stems from their longrunning fued, their siding with Glantri, and their offensives on the IoD after the war. Anyway....sinking and all aside the Alphatian racial mindset is the perception of everyone besides themselves, thothians, and elves as being barbarians. Why fight for them in "their wars" when NACE lands beckon. << So as far as Karameikan resistance to Thyatis... it would be pretty heavy. That's not to say Thyatis couldn't do it; it just probably wouldn't be worth it.>> They'd probably resist an invasion...by any invader. But would they be fighting for king or for their country? It depends up the individual. Either way I see resistance as being insufficient to resist the Thyatian assault. The Karameikans/Traldar/etc. know it. During the Marlinev Rebellion they hoped to toss Stefan out and hoped beyond hope that Thyatis would think them not worth the effort/cost to retake. During Wrath, Stefan figured Thyatis would either be no more or not in a position to retake them after they severed ties. The Wrath scenario was decided by trade agreements, grain shipments, and Thincol's gamble on the IoD. Their fate in standing up to Thyatis militarily was never in doubt even in the minds of the Karameikans. As for the worth in Thyatis invading. Well Karameikos is resource abundant, Stefan foresook prosperous Machetos, his Empire, and friend and kinsman Thincol (related by marriage) for it. Taking Karameikos also heals some of the wounds Thyatis suffered during Wrath. It also opens the door for continued offensives to the west. Why exhert men and materials on distant IoD/Hinterlands when Karameikos is so near? << Afterall what would they really gain? Probably the just the emnity of *every* other nation in the Known World. >> Resources and land corridors as previously mentioned. As for the other nations and their emnity, well how did the other nations react when Thyatis initially invaded Traldara? What about Thincol's earlier attempt at taking the Minrothad Guilds? How'd they react when they landed at the Hinterlands? Howabout Ierendi? How did they react when Thyatis tried to take all of the Alpher kingdoms on the IoD after Wrath? How did they react when they took the Alatians? Heck Minrothad was involved there too. If anything the emnity is already there. Almost uniformly Thyatis is veiwed by the other Brun nations as unsavory and even sinister. And yes the same thing goes for Alphatians too, except with an added aire of mystery. Just look at the ambassadors and Thyatian NPCs in the Gazs. Each offer themselves as the antagonists for any adventure in that respective nation. The Thyatians even see themselves as such, supporting the abundant Thyatian quasi-dissident minorities living abroad. And do you think the Thyatians really care what their neighbors think? With its military Thyatis really doesn't have to fear an invasion. With its wealth and sizable populace, relations must be maintained by the trading nations. Like em or not, Thyatian gold spends just as well as the next nations. And there is no profit in going to war with Brun's big boy if it can be avoided. Truthfully the PWAs left off at a very vital period in Mystara history. IMO the stage was being set for Thyatis to be pitted against the WDL. Also I noticed the precarious way that Ierendi and the Thadders had downsized their defenses, both content that Thyatian interest was not with them. Either this was a scripted plot to focus the thyatis vs. WDL, or it was to be a serious mistake by the two island nations and be an ironic foreshadow to upcoming Thyatian interests. Admitedly, the net-almanac has done an excellent job at filling this void. However, the net-almanacers (myself included) lack the "official power" to rule on events that may alter the KW. For example: Wrath of the Immortals is canon. But what if the Mystaran line had ended with the Gazs and the net almanac began formulating Wrath. Would many of Wraths details of ever made it past the net-almanac idea generating stage? I doubt it as I for one would be bitterly opposed to much of its afteraffects. Lets face it, everyone here has their favorite nations and don't want to see them hurt. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:15:42 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs. Everyone (long) Military forces per PWA2 Thyatis (renaissance)-- Emperor's Cohort (x2) Personnel: 3,310 BR: 126 Troop Class: Elite Total: 6,620 heavy infantry: platemail, shield, spear, shortsword. Imperial Cohort (x11) Personnel: 3,310 BR: 97 Troop Class: Good Total: 36,410 heavy infantry: scalemail, shield, spear, shortsword. (25% carry crossbow) Imperial Fleets (x12) Personnel: 1,600 BR: 89 Troop Class: Fair Total: 19,200 marines: leather armor, crossbow, normal sword. Even with the disasterous losses of men and material during Wrath, Thyatis can still field a warmachine composed of 62,230 men and women. I did not include the Alphatian Irregulars and Imperial Defenders. Also absent are the Retebius Air Fleet and Knights of the Air. Except for the contingent stationed in ThyCity (DotE) no numbers in existance to draw upon. Precariously absent from the PWA1and2 are the Kerendas Cavalrymen. Also of note is the existance of domain armies on the IoD (Kendach, West Portage, Westrourke, etc.) who are not included. These can police Thyatian interests on the IoD and/or be called upon as frontline reserves. Likewise the Imperial Defenders could be used as still another source of replacements. Also if an invasion did occur I doubt both of the Emperor's Cohorts would be comitted. Maybe one to offer the Emperor's presense in the western theater. Karameikos (medieval)-- Militia Elite (x2) Personnel: 996 BR: 123 Troop Class: Good Total: 1,982 mix of infantry & cavalry & archers: chainmail and associated weapons. Militia Division (x4) Personnel: 996 BR: 108 Troop Class: Average Total: 3,984 mix of infantry & cavalry & archers: leather armor, and associated weapons. Naval Division (x2) Personnel: 996 BR: 108 Troop Class: Average Total: 1,982 marines: leather, longbow, normal sword. Karmeikos's military is pitifully small, not even reaching the 8,000 troop level. I had noticed the missing 4th division from the roster of regular divisons, presumedly lost fighting the Master. I assume the 1st and 2nd are represented by the elite divisions. For an invasion I'd boost the regular divisions to reflect immediate mobilization...resulting in a total of 7 or 8 regular divisions in all, but at a lowered BR and Troop Class. But if you go swelling the Karameikan ranks you have to assume simialar measures are taken in Thyatis. Probably moreso since Thyatis would be the initiator of any invasion. But the small size of the Karameikan forces also brought up a question in my mind. What ethnic group(s) makes up the bulk of this force? My bet would be a mostly Thyatian/Karameikan force with some ethnic Traldarans rounding things out. And I'd have to seculate that the officer pool is mostly ethnic Thyatian and some Karameikans. Karameikan Aphatian Refugee Forces (x2) Personnel: 5,300 BR: 71 Troop Class: Below Average Total: 10,600 mix infantry & cavalry & combat mages: various weapons and armors. Karameikan Alfheim Refugees Forces (x1) Personnel: 5,300 BR: 147 Troop Class: Good Total: 5,300 To be fair I included an Alphatian and Alfheim contribution (either as being sympathetic or as hired mercs) in more than generous formations and numbers. The Alpher divisions were patterned after Alphatian reserve divisions. I figured the rapid mobilization/formation would offer a division on that reserve level. Also it is doubtful that many of the stranded military persons would be able to assemble and continue drilling...even if they wanted to. The Alfheimer division was patterned after the Shiye-Lawr divisions. As previously stated I am unsure how motivated these forces would be. Of course swelling the Karameikan numbers also draws an equal addition of swelling the Thyatian ranks, at least expanding the available cohorts and fleets. This force would also suffer the multiethnic origins so presented in earlier messages. For instance: who would lead this force? who would pay this force? logistics of supporting a hodge-podge force? what is the chain of command? to what degree would they resist? Darokin (renaissance)-- Elite Division (x2) Personnel: 1,091 BR: 182 Troop Class: Excellent Total: 2182 mounted infantry & cavalry: associated weapons but NO ARMOR!!!!!!! Regular Divisions (x18) Personnel: 1,160 BR: 73 Troop Class: Fair Total: 20,880 infantry with cavalry: leather armor and associated weapons. Reserve Division (x10) Personnel: 667 BR: 44 Troop Class: Below Average Total: 6,670 mix of infantry & archers & cavalry: associated weapons, only armor is leather worn by cavalry. Naval Division (x6) Personnel: 1,000 BR:78 Troop Class: Fair Total: 6,000 marines: leather armor, crossbow, sword; one regment also uses pike. I am now certain that Darokin would fold like a cheap suit if faced with a concerted Thyatia assault. Though it boasts some healthy numbers it is ill equipped and lacking of any real armor. I assume this is from the legions being in "tatters" from their experience against the Master. However, Darokin Gaz has them being probably more modern, utilizing late renaissance weapons such as pikelines and rapiers. Then there is the Darokin tendency to go for flashy uniforms and not don protective armors (ex. given in Darokin Gaz). The rapiers are a skill weapon used to out fight the opposing warrior. You only have to look at history to see how individualistic fighters fare against a disciplined formation fighting in unison (Rome). And note that the pikemen are but a portion of the marines (10%) and do not carry shields. This makes them highly vulnerable to being flanked or decimated by missile volleys. Five Shires (renaissance)--- Fangs of the Shire "division" (x37) Personnel: 57 BR: 112 Troop Class: Fair Total: 2,109 Hin mounted infantry: leather, dagger, shortsword, sling. Grand Army of the Shires (x7) Personnel: 994 BR: 80 Troop Class: Fair Total: 6,958 Hin archers: leather, short bow, dagger. Striker Division (x1) Personnel: 239 BR: 135 Troop Class: Average Total: 239 mix Hin infantry & archers & cavalry: chain or leather; associated weapons; 25% equipped with magic. Navy of the Shires (x1) Personnel: 800 BR: 88 Troop Class: Fair Total: 800 It's a shame that of all of the canon WDL forces the Hin can boast fielding more troops than Karameikos and have a better equipped force than Darokin. However I will note that the Hin forces are at wartime levels and that the warmachine is heavily laden with national guard/militia type "divisions". Ierendi (renaissance)-- Regular Forces (x4) Personnel: 1,000 BR: 100 Troop Class: Average Total: 4,000 shipborne heavy infantry: chainmail, shield, shortsword (no missiles) Minrothad (renaissance)-- Home Guard (x2) Personnel: 846 BR: 107 Troop Class: Fair Total: 1,692 mounted infantry and cavalry: leather and chainmail, sword and bow. Minrothad Fleet (x3) Personnel: 1,000 BR: 100 Troop Class: Good Total: 3,000 marines: leather, crossbow, sword. I went ahead and tossed in the Thadder and Ierendi forces, not as an agreement that they would contribute troops. Instead it is more of a sign of how pitifully small their forces are. Ierendi in particular is further weakened as its Royal Brigades were disbanded in AC1010. The vaunted Ierendi Navy is no more. Both nations' forces are defensive in nature. And before it is mentioned the Ironclad Fireships should not be considered unless Ierendi waters are threatened. In general both island kingdoms' armed forces are defense oriented. And even if they were so obliged, I doubt expeditionary forces by either would be sufficient enough to make a sizable troop contribution. Also such forces would border on them allying with Karameikos, thus drawing the possibility of Thyatian attentions to expand there After further review I am even more certain that Thyatis could easily expand its holdings across Karameikos and well into Darokin. Even as is (in PWA terms) I see the WDL hardpressed to stop the Thyatians. Since it would be unrealistic for the WDL to send all of their forces, Thyatis has the luxery of engaging the WDL piecemeal. Please note the absence of the Ylari forces due to reasons canon and net-canon. Their 10,556 scimitar waving horse archers and 3,910 naval personnel are surely to be missed by all, especially on Darokin's open pastures. While the WDL as a whole may make a victory costly for Thyatis, I doubt it would have to fight them all. The WDL is prone to dissention based on individual national needs. Also...nations such as Darokin have sizable Thyatian derived populations. I am sure that such a theoretical Thyatian expansion would be held in check. Not by the WDL or their Brun neighbors. Not by a magical revitalization of sunken Alphatia. Not even by the sheer interdiction of the Immortals themselves. Only the opposition of the MML and MMB will keep such an expansion from evolving in a general net-canon sense. The current clack of these related threads attest to that. Too many Gaz nations will be forever changed by such expansions. Changes the likes unseen since Wrath. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:14:37 GMT From: "Louis Sheik" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Oceania & my new email address Thank you all for the response, public and private, to my offering on alternate Oceanian history. Within the next few days I should render a VERY SCALED-DOWN OVERVIEW of the history for those interested, but it will be sent from my new email address, to which I will be switching at this point (which also reflects my actual name rather accurately.) Again, thank you for making Mystara a worthwhile realm to continue to dwell in. "Louis Sheik" paulgonsalves@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Patrick Sullivan wrote: > >Oil of the Forge > Why can someone without a blacksmithing skill shape it? Can the user > himself/herself forge his/her own arm? It doesn't seem like it would be too > burdensome to require either a blacksmithing check or making the user hire a > blacksmith, and it doesn't upset the balance put in place when a character > chooses whether or not to take the blacksmithing skill. Perhaps unskilled > use or a failed role means that the arm functions only as a club +1, rather > than whatever weapon was being attempted. A long time to wait for an answer, I know, but I revised "Oil of the Forge" and put it in my web page, along with a lot of other stuff. Anyone interested can check it out at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chamber/1370 the Oil update is in the Laboratory. Thanks again for the crits, Pat. - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:57:16 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition In a message dated 1999-09-19 05:47:40 Eastern Daylight Time, Lostboy@t-online.de writes: > The Immortal-Project > > www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/Mystara/IP/immoproject.html One quick question -- how do the references to Powers from the "Mystara pantheon" in "Warriors of Heaven" compare to the work of this project? Obviously the Web page is far more detailed -- but are there any major contradictions between the two sources? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:57:17 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos In a message dated 1999-09-19 11:16:00 Eastern Daylight Time, Alex295@aol.com writes: > Truthfully....I am not the greatest fan of the Kingdom of Karameikos. I > preferred it as the Grand Duchy. Why? Well... basically Karameikos has > become a world power literally overnight. Most coming from Wrath...which > seemed only to benefit Karameikos...and well Glantri too. Okay, I can see how Karameikos benefitted from WotI, with the influx of Alphatian and Alfheim refugees it received -- but how in the world did Glantri benefit? It lost its most powerful leader and a significant portion of its population and compromised its anti-clerical tradition and gained nothing of consequence -- all of its "gains" between Gaz 3 and the boxed set actually occurred during the buildup to WotI and would have been in place by AC 1004 or so even if WotI never took place. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:42:07 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos >Okay, I can see how Karameikos benefitted from WotI, with the influx of >Alphatian and Alfheim refugees it received -- complete independence, a large defensive alliance, and the removal of the Black Eagle all occurred during or shortly after WotI as well. >but how in the world did Glantri >benefit? It lost its most powerful leader and a significant portion of its >population and compromised its anti-clerical tradition and gained nothing >of consequence -- all of its "gains" between Gaz 3 and the boxed set actually >occurred during the buildup to WotI and would have been in place by AC 1004 >or so even if WotI never took place. Well, for the most part you're right (and the buildup to WotI is also part of the box), but Glantri also gained New Kolland which is probably the single most useful principality of all, since it protects Glantri from the majority of humanoid invasions. Glantri, though generally weakened by WotI, is more secure now than before, and they no longer have significant competition in the field of magic--they are the masters. Patrick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:43:45 -0700 From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) >A long time to wait for an answer, I know, but I revised "Oil of the >Forge" and put it in my web page, along with a lot of other stuff. >Anyone interested can check it out at: > >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chamber/1370 > >the Oil update is in the Laboratory. Looks good--I plan to use this in my Karameikan campaign whenever I get back to it. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:14:10 EDT From: Kaviyd@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos In a message dated 1999-09-19 17:48:43 Eastern Daylight Time, pds3@dana.ucc.nau.edu writes: > Well, for the most part you're right (and the buildup to WotI is also part > of the box), but Glantri also gained New Kolland which is probably the > single most useful principality of all, since it protects Glantri from the > majority of humanoid invasions. Tell the Erewan elves that one.... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:06:32 -0400 From: "jdaly" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy If you liked the Penhaligon trilogy better than that awful Dragonlord series, then you and I stand almost alone on the list... - ----- Original Message ----- From: IronWolf To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Penhaligon trilogy > I actually like the Penhaligon trilogy as a story, but not especially well with Mystara. As stated, it doesn't > follow the material. I do think they rate slightly better than the Dragonlord of Mystara series, though. They > were 'not bad' either, but the characters and situations were oddly uninteresting, and the action nearly devoid. > I found them a decent read, but they didn't make me want to pick them back up anytime soon. > > It's all a matter of taste, of course. The first AD&D fantasy series I actually liked and got into was the > Icewind Dale Trilogy, which are classic heroic fantasy. (Salvatore's later works have changed, though, he is > fleshing out and developing the characters, but it detracts from the adventure of the earlier ones. I'm not > saying the later books aren't good, just that they lack the light-hearted fun the prior ones did.) > > Adamantyr > > "It's Specularum, damn it!" > > (In case you're wondering, this is my personal sentiment on the renaming of the capital city of Karameikos in > the Kingdom of Karameikos box setting.) > > Damon Brown wrote: > > > --- "Murphy, Jason" > > wrote: > > > Has anyone ever tried placing the penhaligon trilogy > > > books into a campaign? > > > > > I thought I'd read 'em and give it a go - at least > > try to fill in some local detail based on the > > characters in the story. But after reading the first > > one, I don't know that I'm even going to read the > > second one anytime soon. > > > > > After reading them recently it appears that the > > > author didnt really try to > > > adhere to much of the cannon material and simply > > > paid lip service to some of > > > the cannon stuff. ie. Mentioning neighbouring > > > nations, mentioning that the > > > Black eagle barony are a nasty crowd. > > > > > Agreed. Some of the references to canon material, in > > fact, were just plain wrong. Penhaligon is *not* a > > Barony, therefore Lady Arteris is certainly not a > > Baroness. Little tangent here: I've seen this mistake > > made in several places and I don't know why. There are > > only four baronies in Karameikos(GAZ1, p20): > > Threshold, Kelvin, Vorloi, & The Black Eagle Barony. > > Both GAZ1 & KKoA refer to Lady Arteris as the daughter > > of *Lord* Arturus, founder of Penhaligon. No mention > > of a Baron or Barony there... > > I thought the whole thing about The Order of the > > Three Suns was intriuging, but just got muddled. It > > wasn't really setting specific. Penhaligon was just > > another place for a generic fantasy setting void of > > all the ethnic uniqueness of Traladaran & Thyatian > > culture. > > > > > One particularly galling aspect was that Threshold > > > was made out to be a 1 > > > horse town of only a dozen buildings or so....when > > > even the earliest > > > references to the town (Expert rules) have the town > > > at 500 people with a > > > castle and quite an established townsite. > > > > > I didn't get far enough along to read anything about > > Threshold, but that description sounds almost like the > > one of Bywater - which was pure Nowheresville. > > > > > Did this cheese anyone else off? > > > > > I didn't feel the book itself was all that bad. I > > thought the story had potential & Heinrich has an > > interesting style of writing. My main complaint is > > that it really had *nothing* to do with Karameikos > > except in name. > > Yeah, I know, alot of people don't like the books to > > be 'too obsessed w/ the rules' but I don't see the > > point in a D&D book that doesn't really have anything > > to do w/ D&D. If I just want to read a good fantasy > > book, there are plenty of authors out there that are > > just simply amazing. If I'm reading a book from TSR, > > it bloody well better have something to do w/ one of > > the games. > > > > (stepping off my soapbox) ;~p > > > > I guess the bottom line is if you're looking for an > > interesting read or some background for a setting that > > pretty much conflicts w/ canon, I'd say go for it. > > Just know what it is before reading it... > > > > auf wiedersehen, > > Damon > > === > > If a 'Vegetarian' is someone who eats vegetables, shouldn't 'Humanitarian' be another name for a 'Cannibal'? > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:35:58 +0200 From: DM Subject: [MYSTARA] - Nightmare Dimension and Myth of Creation (was: Blackflame rekindled) At Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:09:33 -0400, Sharon Dornhoff wrote: >Here's a REALLY odd idea, for how to reconcile the MML-created "Nightmare >Dimension" theory on blackflame's origin -- and the hins' evident >prediliction for the Thought-Sphere -- with Gaz8's reference to the ruling >Hierarch of Energy having created the stuff: >What if blackfame were, indeed, created and sent to the Shires by the Full >Hierarch of Energy... but by the NIGHTMARE DIMENSION'S version, not Ixion? >After all, it'd make sense for the ND to have its own quintet of Full >Hierarchs, since it's got its own Immortals: Full Hierarchs, whose spheres >would correspond to Nightmare versions of Energy, Matter, Time and Thought, >plus a Sphere of Stasis as the chaos-loving ND's equivalent of Entropy. Sure thing, if you proceed by the assumption that the ND is the opposite of Mystara Multiverse, than this is a very sound explanation. It could be interesting adapting Stephen King's and Peter Straub's alternate universe described in "The Talisman" to this setting.. Unfortunately, I do not second this assumption. ;) IMHO, the Nightmare Dimension is not the negative parallel of the Mystaran universe, rather another dimension of its own. The strange thing is that this dimension often collides with Mystara and even strangest is that the inhabitants of the two worlds can catch a glimpse of one another in their dreams. This way I picture the ND much like HPL's Dreamlands, which were as real as the Real World where his characters lived. IMC the Nightmare Dimension has its own Elemental Spheres and Ethereal plane, but NO Astral nor Outer PLanes whatsoever. The Dimension is a seemingly neverending flat land with many different terrain types and kingdoms (called Domains), each ruled by its own Column (a most powerful being of near-immortal status). However, all beings swear loyalty to the one true Immortal of the ND, the Kal-hoven (or Nightmare Lord) and to his henchman the Shadowmaster (Kai-hevek). What is most frightening to the Immortals of the Multiverse is the knowledge that their powers are strangely warped in the ND (reduced and altered), and that the Kal-hoven is somewhat similar to them, but belongs to no clear Sphere of Power (the same applies for the Shadowmaster). The truth is, the Nightmare Lord is a creature as much old as the oldest immortal. He belongs to the first Generation Immortals, but he never took part in the creation of the Immortal Factions (spheres of power) since he left the Multiverse before their creation. He established himself as the sole ruler of the Nightmare Dimension, which he saw fitter to his (nearly insane) mind and there he still stands, sole ruler of the whole Dimension. The Shadowmaster is, on the other hand, a being created by the First Sorcerer (Sartori), a powerful demi-immortal entity who was defeated long ago in the battle that created the Multiverse. But I'm actually telling too much without giving full explanations.. Ok, time to explain a bit more of my cosmology. Since it seems a topic that is much popular on this list, here's my take at it. Note that I have borrowed many things from Clive Barker's masterful novel "Imajica". This doesn't take into account the origins of the Old Ones nor of the Outer Beings. What I'm giving to you is the history of the universe as told by the Cult of the One God. This is not the TRUE story, however (I'll tell u that in a later time). Note that I have borrowed many things from Clive Barker's masterful novel "Imajica". A cloacked figure slided down the twisting steps illuminated by the flickering green light of a torch. At the base of the staircase, a massive wooden door stood closed, with strange inscriptions on its upper part. The figure pushed the door gently, and it swung open on its hinges as if pulled by a titanic force. A darkened room revealed beyond the doorstep, with grotesque statuettes and idols placed in many alcoves inside the walls. The arched ceiling was rather low and a few dead avians hanged from some hooks like bony fingers. In the center of the room a group of four people stood sit, their backs arched down and their heads touching the dirty floor, probably in meditation or as a sign of respect towards the newcomer. Their shapes were rather different, since they all belonged to different races of that place, but one thing they shared: they possessed the true faith. The cloaked figure proceeded until he was right in their midst, then seated and the four raised their heads. Multiple eyes set on the newcomer's wrinkled visage, then he started to speak. It was time to tell the Tale of the One God once more... "In the Beginning, three things existed in the universe: Chaos, Vacuum and the One God. Then the One God discovered the Craft and with his power he gave Order to Chaos and put Life into Vacuum. This way, the first planets were created and the tiniest and most primitive lifeforms moved the first tentative steps on those worlds. Time passed, and the living began to know the Love and the Power of the One God, and they started worshipping him as Hapexamendios. Then Hapexamendios decided it was time to create a companion, and using the Craft he took Chaos and gave it a shape, then took Life and breathed it in the shape. Thus the First Goddess was born, and Hapexamendios named her Tishalullè. She was devout to the One God, who taught her how to use the Craft and they ruled the universe together. "However, after a while the First Goddess began to envy the power that her Husband had over his Universe, and she craved the absolute power for herself. From her malign thoughts the seeds of Evil were born, and they infected many of the living species in the universe, who, mislead by her obscene promises, sworn fealty to Tishalullè. In reward for their loyalty, she taught to the most vicious the secrets of the Craft, and these became the First Generation Immortals. With them, the First Goddess plotted to overthrow the First God, since Death was not known to the people who lived in the Universe. But Hapexamendios foresaw his mistress's plans, and so he gave birth to his beloved Son, the First Sorcerer, who would have helped him in his battle against the Immortals. But Tishalullè and the Immortals managed to trick the One God and they created the Barrier, later called the Vortex, where they imprisoned the One God, hopefully forever. "But they had not taken into account the First Sorcerer, Sartori. Once grown to full power and having achieved the mastery of the Craft, he challenged the First Goddess, still weakened by the creation of the Barrier, and managed to slay her. From her womb Death came out, and the living became Mortals, while the Immortals, who knew the power of the Craft, were safe from its touch. Thus Thanatos was created. "The Immortals came far too late to help the Mother of all Troubles and gave chase to Sartori. To hide from the mischievous beings, Sartori created his own hideout, the massive Tower of the Hinge, very close to the Barrier, where his Father laid prisoner. Sartori knew the way to free the One God from his prison, but he also knew he did not have the power to perform the ritual after the taxing battle with the First Goddess. He also knew the Immortals would have tracked him soon, so he started taking drastic measures. Foreseeing his doom, the First Sorcerer created the Shadowmaster and sent him to the ND to guard the secret that will have allowed him to open the gate where his father had been imprisoned. Since the First God was the linchpin that made the universe one, when the first Immortals confined him beyond the Barrier with the help of Tishalullè the Universe was shaken. But when they came and together killed Sartori (who had fled outside the Hinge to meet them and avoid they discover his hideout) the fabric of the Universe collapsed and the Multiverse was formed. Then the Immortals, without a leader, divided and vied for supremacy, allying themselves to one another and forming the Spheres of Power. The First Generation Immortals who still live today are three: Thanatos (who however didn't participate in the Betrayl or the Murder), Ixion (who led the Immortals against Sartori after Tishalullè's demise) and Kal-hoven (who left the Multiverse after the formation of the Five Domains and is believed dead). "But Sartori's plan had only began to work. He had cast a powerful spell on himself, and when slain, his body began to reform in the secret chambers of the Hinge. Unfortunately, he did not foresee the breaking of the Universe, and as the universe collaped and was divided into the different Domains (Planes), so was his life essence, so tied to the Universe itself. For this reason, now there are Five Sartori living in the Five Domains, but only the one living in the Outer PLane of Yzorderrex (where the Hinge lies) knows the truth. "But Sartori was no fool, and he arranged for his rebirth. So we all believe the time will come when all the Sartori will reunite and together they will find the Key to open the Barrier and free the One God once more. That day we will be by his side and will finally become part of the Craft. That day the oppressive reign of the Immortals will end, and the new Reign of the One God and his followers will begin anew!" Note: the Craft is not just Magic, is something more powerful and now forgotten. Magic is what is left of the Craft after the division of the universe and the formation of the immortal Spheres of Power. Okay, that's all for now... I hope I haven't annoyed you ;) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gilda.it/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #402 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message. mystara-digest Monday, September 20 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 403 Mystara is a trademark of TSR Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) RE: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Re: [MYSTARA] - Nightmare Dimension and Myth of Creation (was: Blackflame rekindled) [MYSTARA] - Gareth Re: [MYSTARA] - Gareth Re: [MYSTARA] - Gareth [MYSTARA] - new maps available in my site Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess [MYSTARA] - Gareth (a bit long and involved and speculative) Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> [MYSTARA] - Translation English-French [MYSTARA] - Lamellar Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition Re: [MYSTARA] - Lamellar Re: [MYSTARA] - Translation English-French ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: the Wizard of Frobozz Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - New stuff, pt. 1 (long) On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Patrick Sullivan wrote: > Looks good--I plan to use this in my Karameikan campaign whenever I get back > to it. The second-greatest compliment a creator could ask for... The first being "I plan to pay you lots of money for this." ;-) - --Frobozz-- ________________________________________________________ "My, my, this here Anakin guy may be Vader some day later, now he's just a small fry. And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye, saying, "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi. Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi." --"Weird Al" Yankovic, "the Saga Begins" (sung to the tune of "American Pie.") *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:50:12 +0800 From: "Murphy, Jason" Subject: RE: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess Yup...i managed to get a copy of the green cover B3 recently for a mere $7 australian. An absolute bargain in my book :) Especially as i rate this module and and the Rahasia one as the best basic modules produced...actually they are posibly my fave module ever released. Jason Murphy Software Engineer MITS Limited EMAIL: jason.murphy@mitswa.com.au PHONE: 08 9481 4066 FAX: 08 9481 4064 > -----Original Message----- > From: Valerya@webtv.net [SMTP:Valerya@webtv.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 8:24 PM > To: mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess > > >$735 for Palace of the Silver > > princess........Sheeeeeeeeeeugar Does > > anyone know what artwork makes this one so > > special. Would anyone have a scan of the > > cover so that i may see for myself? > > It's an interesting story (unfortunately, I only know the generalities - > maybe someone else knows all the details?). That one you're looking at > would be the orange cover. It had some artwork which was considered > risque and offensive, and so TSR actually recalled it and re-issued one > with a green cover and new artwork. They thought they had all the old > orange ones back, till one surfaced at a convention a year or so later, > and sold for a ludicrous amount of money. The value has only gone up > since. > > BTW, you can still get the "regular" one (green cover) pretty cheap, if > you look around...I recently got mine for $11. > > > Jenn > http://www.geocities.com/valerya1 > > ************************************************************************** > * > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:09:25 +0800 From: "Francisco Navarro" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Nightmare Dimension and Myth of Creation (was: Blackflame rekindled) At Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:09:33 -0400, Sharon Dornhoff wrote: >Here's a REALLY odd idea, for how to reconcile the MML-created "Nightmare >Dimension" theory on blackflame's origin -- and the hins' evident >prediliction for the Thought-Sphere -- with Gaz8's reference to the ruling >Hierarch of Energy having created the stuff: >What if blackfame were, indeed, created and sent to the Shires by the Full >Hierarch of Energy... but by the NIGHTMARE DIMENSION'S version, not Ixion? >After all, it'd make sense for the ND to have its own quintet of Full >Hierarchs, since it's got its own Immortals: Full Hierarchs, whose spheres >would correspond to Nightmare versions of Energy, Matter, Time and Thought, >plus a Sphere of Stasis as the chaos-loving ND's equivalent of Entropy. Here's my take on the Nightmare Dimension... I based it on the "creation myths" described in PC1 Tales of the Wee Folk. A long time ago, even before the present Immortals remember, Chaos was the nature of the universe. Chaos was the predominant force in the cosmos, and it influenced the other Sheres of Time, Matter, Energy and Thought. These Chaotic versions of the 4 Spheres are very different from how we understand them now, very chaotic, very negative, and very fearsome... the stuff NIGHTMARES are made of (at least, from the point of view of this present Age of Order) The opposing force at the time was the Sphere of Life, sometimes called the Sphere of Integration or, as Sharon put it, the Sphere of Stasis. Life/Integration/Stasis sought to tame the chaotic natures of the other 4 Spheres, and put order and law into the universe. Now, despite all attempts of Chaos and the 4 Chaotic/Negative Spheres to prevent or thwart these changes, it did come to pass. Order and Life won over the 4 Chaotic/Negative Spheres to its side, transformed them into the 4 (Positive) Spheres as we know them now, and became the predominant force in the universe. These events did not necessarily happen in that sequence, but they all did happen. The end result was that Chaos was confined to a single Sphere of Entropy/Death/Chaos. Thus, ending the Age of Chaos, and beginning of the Age of Order. In the present state of the cosmos, things are reversed. Entropy seeks to bring chaos to the universe, and the 4 Spheres which are now aligned with Life/Integration/Order, oppose it and fear it. Fear is the key. Fear of change, fear of the new order (or "new chaos", as the case may be), fear that feeds our NIGHTMARES. So what is the Nightmare Dimension? I propse that the ND are remnants of the old Age of Chaos, when Entropy reigned and the 4 Spheres belonged to Chaos. And Blackflame? It comes from the Chaotic/Negative Sphere of Energy, or at least the remnants of it. Now how does this connect with the Hin and the Sphere of Thought? I propose the remnants of the 4 Chaotic/Negative Spheres, the Seeds of Chaos (like the single black dot in the white half, and vice versa, of the Taoist symbol of Yin and Yang), lie not in their respective (Positive) Spheres, but in a different sphere which has a natural bias to towards it, thus effectively sheltering, controlling and concealing this Seed of Chaos (i.e. from Immortal meddling). Hence, the Chaotic Seed of the Negative Sphere of Energy is hidden in the Sphere of Thought. Taking from Sharon's idea, some Immortal from the Sphere of Thought (not anymore a ND Immortal) stumbled upon the Chaotic Seed of the Negative Sphere of Energy, and got the idea of sharing this to the Hin, who have affinity for the Sphere of Thought. The Immortal might not have been fully aware of the true nature of the Chaotic Seed, and only saw Blackflame as a direct opposition of Energy, and therefore, helpful to the objectives of Thought. (Perhaps this is how the Sphere of Life/Integration/Stasis first brought down the Age of Chaos, using the natural bias and opposition of the 4 Spheres agaisnt each other...) And the future of Blackflame? The discovery of the Blackflame might be a portent or an ushering of another Age of Chaos. Not even the Immortals know this. Perhaps only the Old Ones do... or the Faeries who have memories of the previous age. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:06:23 -0400 From: John Hofmann Subject: [MYSTARA] - Gareth I haven't been on the list long, so please excuse me if this is a dead horse, but I was reading through the Poor Wizard's Almanacs, and I was wondering what was up with Gareth. Does anyone have any idea where they might have been going with this? What thoughts did you guys have about it? Thanks, John Hofmann ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:29:22 -0700 From: IronWolf Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Gareth Gareth was a 'mystery' from what I've read of him. There's two strong possibilities for him: 1) He's an Immortal in disguise. His stance of "Immortals have failed you" is either a clever ruse, or he may sincerely believe that the Immortals haven't done a good job. The former means he may be Loki in disguise (again), and boy would that ever suck. (Loki's about due for a can of whoop-ass from our buddy Thor). The latter mean he may be Benekander, trying to make a difference. 2) He's something else of great power, equal to an Immortal. If you're playing the Mystara campaign as a seperate entity from the rest of the AD&D campaign setting, perhaps Gareth is a Power from the Planescape setting, there to supplant Immortals and establish an outer planar dominion. Or maybe a fiend in disguise... the possibilities are really infinite here. Adamantyr "It's Specularum, damn it!" John Hofmann wrote: > I haven't been on the list long, so please excuse me if this is a dead > horse, but I was reading through the Poor Wizard's Almanacs, and I was > wondering what was up with Gareth.  Does anyone have any idea where they > might have been going with this?  What thoughts did you guys have about > it? > > Thanks, > > John Hofmann > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:36:52 +1000 (EST) From: shawn@leme.anu.edu.au (Shawn Stanley) Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Gareth On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, John Hofmann wrote: > I haven't been on the list long, so please excuse me if this is a dead > horse, but I was reading through the Poor Wizard's Almanacs, and I was > wondering what was up with Gareth. Does anyone have any idea where they > might have been going with this? What thoughts did you guys have about > it? Hello John Thoughts about Gareth have come up before on the list, but you're not beating a dead horse or anything - a new round of discussion on the subject might be enlightening. Something that was written on the subject last time was a series of posts on the true identity of Gareth. They're available on my website, the archive of this list, at http://dnd.starflung.com/whoisg.html shawn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:15:06 +0200 From: thibault sarlat Subject: [MYSTARA] - new maps available in my site hello everyone. now that my exams are behind me, i am happy to give you access to my accomplishment.A map detailing a region between Atruaghin , western Norwold, eastern norwold and the isle of dawn.This map is made in 24 miles per hex. I want to thank Geoff and Andrew for their precious help in correcting the discrepencies in the official maps contained in X11, dawn of the Emperor, CM1 and Champions of Mystara. Thanks also to all the persons who have contributed to give me new means of hex conversion. I hope you will enjoy the map. The next map will be based on C Constantin last map (which was not published yet) depicting in 24 miles per hex the region between The sylvan realm (NW) , Gombar (SW), the savage baronnies (SE) and the Yalu sea (NE).Believe me he's made a wonderful job and even now he must be working on filling those regions with great civilizations. - -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. Check out my sites : The main page is at http://www.mystara.com.bi Then the Mapping zone is at http://www.mystara-maps.com.bi And finnally the Gazeteer zone is at http://www.mystara-gazeteers.com.bi *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:59:27 EDT From: Alex295@aol.com Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Thyatis vs Karameikos In a message dated 9/19/99 4:58:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kaviyd@aol.com writes: << Okay, I can see how Karameikos benefitted from WotI, with the influx of Alphatian and Alfheim refugees it received -- but how in the world did Glantri benefit? It lost its most powerful leader and a significant portion of its population and compromised its anti-clerical tradition and gained nothing of consequence -- all of its "gains" between Gaz 3 and the boxed set actually occurred during the buildup to WotI and would have been in place by AC 1004 or so even if WotI never took place. >> Well...Wrath took away the malignant properties (magic drain) of the Radiance without removing the Radiance itself. Despite all of the years of war, the losses to both men and nations the cause of the war itself is still in existance. Wrath saw the removal of Alphatia as an adversary....at least until NACE comes of age. Even the Alphatian derived Glantrians were removed from Glantri sans the Meteor. The Meteor's affects were felt as far away as Darokin, nearly beggering its economy. Yet in Glantri damage was felt in the impact zone itself with the loss of these principalities. And then there is Kol and his humanoids. With him, Glantri is assured a degree of political interaction and security with the noids. Likewise Kol's noids can be used to bolster forces. Etienne was lost in Wrath...well actually he does resurface in Mark of Amber and in one (possibly two) of the Net-Almanacs. Setbacks from Wrath were not really addressed in the PWAs....almost as if they never happened. The matter of the Erewan was never really resolved. If Wrath did anything detrimental to Glantri it bolstered Dolores/Synn's power base. Admitedly....Synn is a great villain. But Synn's long term use is limited at best. In the kingdom of magic there are just too many magical opportunities for her to be uncovered. Synn's downfall was alluded to in the PWAs but the line ended before it came about. Plants such as Jaggar's draconic contacts, Anton/Raknaar, Malachie's discoveries, d'Ambreville's, etc. constructed the means to uncover Synn and do away with her. Synn is not the absolutely needed villain in Glantri. Aside from good ole established villains such as Morphail, Brannart, etc. Glantri itself has that dark sinister aire that is expressive in most NPCs. Compared to the other Wrath players, Glantri came out pretty good. Alphatia won the battle but lost the war. There is the matter of the loss of their continental homeland on mystara. Thyatis was dragged in and nearly destroyed. The HKs too were dragged in to precariously fight for a group of cleric haters. Therir part in the war was short as they conveniently found themselves tied up with the eithie...who were likewise overlooked in the Alphatian effort to destroy Glantri. The Alfheimers lost their beloved Canolbarth. I will slightly alter the original line a bit. Glantri and Karameikos's outcomes from the war are not based on the same premise. Glantri came out showing few signs of a war they were not supposed to win. Conversely Karameikos benefitted from the ills of the affected nations. So really it should be that one experienced a slight drop while the other rose rapidly. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:37:18 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Palace of the Silver Princess From the coverscan you wouldn't see much difference. It's the same cover only with an orange border instead of green. It's the artwork inside that you should see. They SHOULD be somewhere on the net, shouldn't they?? Frank *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:22:07 -0400 From: John Hofmann Subject: [MYSTARA] - Gareth (a bit long and involved and speculative) > Thoughts about Gareth have come up before on the list, but you're > not > beating a dead horse or anything - a new round of discussion on the > subject might be enlightening. Something that was written on the > subject last time was a series of posts on the true identity of > Gareth. They're available on my website, the archive of this list, > at http://dnd.starflung.com/whoisg.html Definitely enlightening reading. Those were some pretty good ideas. I hadn't had too many thoughts about Gareth formalized, but I would probably lean along the lines of him being an immortal returned from the Vortex. The main reason I'd say that is because that's what he said that he was (Poor Wizard's Almanac II p.175). But it's not that simple, I believe, as I start thinking about it more and rereading some things. The Gareth = Benekander idea definitely has a lot going for it, but the fact is, Benekander's not an immortal from the vortex (WotI book 1 p.17, WotI book 2. pp 6-7), and he doesn't have a long history of lying to people, especially mortals. Another note about Benekander ... Gareth made the Staff of Gareth that Sitara Rohini got from Vasilyon the Younger, the dragon (Poor Wizard's Almanac III, pp 232-233). Now, here things get a bit hairy because Almanac 1012 was for ADnD, and most other things have been in Basic DnD rules (including the arrival of Gareth, in 1011). If we're still using Basic DnD rules, the artifact Staff of Gareth has to have at least 145 PP (see below for artifact PP calculation) plus it would cost an additional 33 PP to make it a staff +3 (WotI book 1 pp 87-93) for a minimum of 178 PP. Now, the Immortal that created it would have to be at least 13th level (Celestial) to create it, because 13th level is the first level that has a difference of more than 178 PP between it and the next level, and "an Immortal creating and artifact may not spend enough Power Points to lose an experience level." (WotI book 1, p.103). Obviously, if you are using ADnD rules, this is a non-issue. It's POSSIBLE that Benekander gained 12 levels, requiring at least 1078 PP (10,780,000 XP to you and me :-)). [Not to insult anyone's intelligence, but Benekander has 300PP to start, and needs to have at least 1200 PP after expending the 178 PP required to make the artifact, in case anyone wonders where I got these numbers.] But, it's not likely, in my opinion. I think that Benekander, in AC 1011, is at most a Temporal, and even that's stretching it, especially if you read what it says about NPC immortals in WotI book 1 p. 54. However, the fact that the immortal has to be at least 13th level (assuming we're using BDnD rules) gives a clue as to who it is. Let's look at the facts. 1) Says he's returned from the Vortex. 2) Says Immortal interference is a Bad Thing. 3) Says he's appalled by what's happened here. 4) He started gaining followers pretty quickly. [5) Assuming the above rules are used, he's at least a Celestial or higher rank.] As I look through the various books, I come up with Ixion as the best possibility. He's 36th level (WotI book 1, p.23), so he could have very easily made the artifact, no matter how powerful it is. He also knows how to gain followers. He has more than a lot of other Immortals probably ever will. As for the things he said, if you read the WotI book 2, at the end (p. 70) it says that "he now very much regrets" the quarrel with Rad, which probably means he's more than a bit upset about the way that the world turned out after his little war. Also (on p. 70) it says that the (possibly Old One) mysterious figure says some stuff about the Immortals failing to understand the nature of being Immortal, and that they should take better care of the mortals of Mystara, and then (once they learn to respect mortals more) they'll learn more about the Old Ones. Then he points at Ixion and says "leave and learn." I think things may have gone along these lines: - --The Old One kicks Ixion out of the Chamber of the Nucleus of the Spheres. We know this happened. - --Ixion hangs out for a few days, and talks to the mortal heroes who participated in that climax. We also know this happened. - --Ixion realized that he has some things to think about, and takes off on a little trip. - --Ixion explores the multiverse a bit and heads off into the Vortex. - --Ixion spends some quality time with himself in the Vortex, and then leaves (I'm not sure how, but he gets out -- maybe he's let out on purpose ??? ) - --He begins to understand what the Old Ones were talking about, and realizes that they've all been barking up the wrong tree all along and that messing with mortals is Not a Good Idea. That's why none of the oldest immortals can remember their Sponsors (WotI book 1, p. 78) (the Sponsors might be Old Ones now -- we don't hear about too much Immortal interference in the Prehistory time, so the Sponsors, when they were just Immortals, probably didn't mess with mortals as much as this current batch of Immortals does), because the Sponsors are gone (they did things the right way) and erased other Immortals' memories on their way out. - --Knowing that the only way forward for the Immortals is to return to a policy of noninterference, he begins a "starting over process" and, as part of that process, creates a new identity for himself -- Gareth -- with the intention of removing immortal interference in Mystara. Ixion obviously can't change things all at once. To even try to do this would be to start a war that would make WotI look like a schoolyard fight. So, he's taking things slowly, and trying to convert people by offering a rational, sensible alternative to getting killed in the name of religion. So, that's my analysis. I think that a case can be made for Gareth being a new face of Ixion, and one that has the potential to gain an enormous following on Mystara as well as revolutionizing the entire multiverse-view of the Immortals. These are just my off-the-cuff thoughts as I think about this topic (inspired by the writings of several previous MML authors on Shawn's website). I don't pretend to be authoritative, and I could be leaving something out that's very important. John Hofmann One more thing ... why was Loki smiling? Two possible reasons. The first was that he followed Ixion and saw what he was up to, and realized the enormous potential for this to blow up in Ixion's face. The second is that Loki is oftentimes a punk and does things just to keep other Immortals off-balance. ************************************************************************* Staff of Gareth from Poor Wizard's Almanac III p.233: assuming that it is a staff of healing (so that it can cast the healing spells without using PP), it still needs to be a staff +3, and cast detect evil (15 PP) and hold monster (DnD equivalent of paralyze, I am assuming) (35 PP) and one of the following: regenerate, reincarnate, restoration, raise dead fully. Of these, regenerate requires the most PP (95 PP). This is 145 PP so far, plus making it a weapon that does d6 damage (3 PP) with a +3 attack bonus vs. all creatures (30 PP). This is the most conservative estimate that I came up with. If you assume that the curative powers are immortal level (which is never implied anywhere that I've seen, although it is likely), then you're dealing with a very powerful artifact. My guess would be in the 400-500 PP range, since "heal" alone would be another 100 PP, plus all the others (which would make the minimum level Immortal required to create it around 20 if it's less than 500 PP, and 27 if more than 500 PP) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:35:27 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - [MYSTARA] Thyatis's backyard i would like to remind you that population of the county is about 70% of humans. 70% of 20000 (wich is the approximately the population between) this makes elves about 6000. But beyond numbers, both humans and elves are working to preserv wilderness, and i can't think they would be of a great help in a war beetween thyatis and karameikos. Certainly because foresters like nature, not war, even if the Treeshields are of a war being, i don't think they could give thyatis more than a single elite unit. Solmyr of the Azure Star a écrit: > "Mr. Darknerd" wrote: > > > > I think assuming elves are concerned to the petty political affairs of humans is is showing typical Thyatian arrogance. > > > Well, I suggest you re-read the entry on the County of Vyalia in Dawn of > the Emperor box, and *then* tell me those elves are not interested in > Thyatis. > > -- > ****************** > Aleksei Andrievski > aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star > solmyr@kolumbus.fi > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:51:21 +0200 From: Cobaye Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Message-Id: <19990913194507.UEZO24367@144.tampa-02.fl.dial-access.att.net> Thanks for those who can understand that using french is not a language for those who dislike it. I would really like someones could understand how we, frenches, can use our language, in Mystara universe. sharlene a écrit: > Ukkie wrote: > > > > >===== Original Message From mystara-l@lists.imagiconline.com ===== > > >I'm french too... > > fuck the french! > > > > > really how lucky you are.You know one of the very few English words that > has no root in French.that would alow you to speak very slowly , very > carefully and only to a person that would overmatch you in > intelligence.unfortunately for you no one here is as stupid as you are. > now that i have written those few words i realise that i have lost my > time for someone who does not deserve it. > So long. > > ps: maybe you should try to get a part in the next South Park movie.you > already have the vocabulary. > > thibault. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:08:32 PDT From: "GUIDAULT Marc-Antoine" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Translation English-French If it's French lessons you wanna ... just call ... "baisez" may be understood kiss but "enculez les brittons" cannot ... Funny to see that after one year some "debate" are still the same ... >i believe a more relevant term would be baisez le français, don't you? Saddly, Marc-Antoine GUIDAULT à marc-antoine_guidault@mail.dotcom.fr http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/7837 // Mystara http://www.geocities.com/Area51Comet/6275 // Magnamund http://www.geocities.com/Cavern/4867 // Intro to D&D & RPG ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:14:52 -0500 From: "Ed Paynter" Subject: [MYSTARA] - Lamellar Its my understanding, talking with some SCA people, that lamellar (if I'm spelling it right) is small strips of metal worn over a chain shirt. I think they use lamellar for the English troops in "Braveheart", if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure if it would count as banded mail or splint mail, as I'm away from my materials at present. Anyway, just my take on Armor... Myrkul the NEW and IMPROVED Andrew Theisen version Mystic aka Ed Paynter epaynter@iupui.edu *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:45:07 +0200 (METDST) From: Agathokles Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Immortals in AD&D 2nd Edition For what concerns the Lupin pantheon: since I wasn't aware "Warriors of Heaven" until you asked this question, it is possible that there are points of inconsistency. However, the only sources I used for that work are: the SC campaign book, the various documents on the Immortals on Shawn's website and various AD&D sources for general rules. So, if the Lupin immortals are treated somewhere else, then the IP lupin pantheon might be inconsistent with those sources. Giampaolo Agosta On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 Kaviyd@aol.com wrote: > > The Immortal-Project > > > > www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/Mystara/IP/immoproject.html > > One quick question -- how do the references to Powers from the "Mystara > pantheon" in "Warriors of Heaven" compare to the work of this project? > Obviously the Web page is far more detailed -- but are there any major > contradictions between the two sources? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:12:41 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Lamellar > Its my understanding, talking with some SCA people, that lamellar (if I'm > spelling it right) is small strips of metal worn over a chain shirt. I think > they use lamellar for the English troops in "Braveheart", if I'm not > mistaken. I'm not sure if it would count as banded mail or splint mail, as > I'm away from my materials at present. Ok that makes sense, Thanks for telling me what the D&D lamellar is look like! Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:26:43 -0400 From: redrobyne Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] - Translation English-French Merde! I'm sorry I had to get my one cuss word that I know in a foreign language out. Stewart 3 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara-l' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of mystara-digest V1999 #403 ******************************** *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe mystara' as the body of the message.