========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:23:05 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damon Alexander Brown ha scritto: > Hey, folks! Just thought I'd throw out the > announcement that I've put up a page of various coats > of arms from Mystara. It was time somebody did this!!!! I love them! Good work. I think Shawn should put up the link in the Mystara Site!!! By the way, have anybody seen the coats of arms of the Savage Coast kingdoms?? They are cool too. Now we should do the write ups for the symbol of churches etc., and maybe you could create those, too...Hm? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:31:17 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Midwood hamlet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Stalker ha scritto: > -- > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:09:04 Caroletti wrote: > >> > >> [Geez, how did I manage to turn such a simple thing into such a long post?? It's a gift, I suppose :)] > >> > >> - The Stalker of Alphatia > > > >The name says why. Alphatia. > >Thyatians are more concise. See? > > > >ISS > >COTXXC > >PLT > > > > I'm sure it does... for a Thyatian! WHAT ON THE MOONS OF MYSTARA DOES THAT MEAN ???? ;) > > - The Stalker of Alphatia "Bla bla bla Alphatians intelligent superior wizards bla bla bla" ISS Iulius Sergius Scaevola COTXXC Captain of the XXth Cohort PLT Port Lucinius, Thyatis And don't say you should not have known... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:39:22 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Re: Day of Dread and Elves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds good..... but is there any cannon reference to verifiy this? Or is it something that has never been addressed in cannon? Greg Weatherup Gecko GWxup@excite.com http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/spock/67/index.html David Knott wrote: > I think at the current level of magic drain they simply lose the ability to > cast > spells and perhaps feel a little ill at ease in ways that are not > quantifiable in > game terms. Rad drain levels sufficient to make elves and other magical > creatures ill and eventually rare to the point of extinction have not yet been > reached in the history of Mystara. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:12:54 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: harri m�ki Subject: site update Hi all, I have just added sixth part of Glantrian political history to my site. Harri Sunpoint.net - Kolmannen sukupolven Internet-palvelu http://www.sunpoint.net ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:17:39 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Day of Dread and Elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-08 4:46:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gwxup@EXCITE.COM writes: << That sounds good..... but is there any cannon reference to verifiy this? Or is it something that has never been addressed in cannon? >> It is a combination of direct references and inferences from lack of mention of anything bad happening to elves as a result of the annual Day of Dread (100 rad force drain level) and the Week of No Magic in 1009 AC (500 rad force drain level). The first direct mention of elves on the list of effects of magic drain is at the 2000 rad force drain level, where it is said that dragons, elves, and other magical beings are almost extinct by that point. The problems probably begin around the 1000 rad force drain level, where it is stated that at that level an intelligence of 18 is required to become a wizard. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:55:37 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: Re: PLACES, PEOPLE: Hollow World Elves In-Reply-To: <200004080704.DAA75761@smtp.uky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:00 AM 4/8/00 -0700, Andrew Theisen wrote: >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:27:56 -0700 >A better group of snow elves to play with is the Vulcanian elves, who made >a brief appearance in a Princess Ark article. They live within the >Anti-Magic effect of the southern polar opening, and have reverted to >barbaric ways (not being able to use magic any longer). They're kind of >cool, actually. I musta missed that issue of Dragon- which particular one. OK, I'm biting... Barbaric ways, huh? What sort of barbaric? Like sing and frolic in nature barbaric? Or fur loincloth- me mad me kill barbaric? Or elf-eat-elf cannibal barbaric? Or just simply backward-don't-use-magic-like-a-normal-elf barbaric? Cool in what way? Anything culturally unique to them or comparable to anything more common to anything we are used to? And what makes them a better group to play with/against? -o ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:04:34 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Recently I stumbled upon a boxed set commemorating, reliving, or continuing the Voyage of the Princess Ark. I have read some of the entries in Dragon. Is this boxed set a collection of excerpts or complete transcription? It probably includes deckplans or 3-D cutout model of the flying ship. Probably a map of some of not so well known areas of "the Known World." And a brief description of the lands and NPCs from there. Anything else I haven't mentioned? Is this material fresh, like not mentioned in the Dragon articles. Or does it just have more details so DMs can run a campaign just like the Voyage? Lastly, is this worth your $30 and why? -o ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:44:28 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark In-Reply-To: Oliver's message of "Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:04:34 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oliver writes: > Recently I stumbled upon a boxed set commemorating, reliving, or continuing > the Voyage of the Princess Ark. Champions of Mystara, right? > I have read some of the entries in Dragon. Is this boxed set a collection > of excerpts or complete transcription? One book summarizes the Dragon articles from 153--168. The next picks up with the articles from 169 till the end (Dragon 188). It has an explorer's manual with descriptions of Sind, The Great Waste, Graakhalia, Serpent Peninsula, Yavldom, Ulimwengu. Basically, mini-Gazetteer. Also rules on skyships, maps of the ark, and I think (I can't locate all the maps offhand) maybe maps of the area. I'd say it's worth the $30, but if you don't have all the Dragon articles, first buy the Dragon Magazine CD Archive, which is worth twice what it sells for. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 217 days, 6 minutes, 50 seconds till we run away. Everyone complains of his memory, no one of his judgement. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:02:48 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark: Champions of Mystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Is this material fresh, like not mentioned in the Dragon articles. Or does > it just have more details so DMs can run a campaign just like the Voyage? > This is the infamous "Champions of Mystara" box. It includes stuff covered in the Dragon articles, but also a bunch of other things: 1) The Voyage up until Slagovitch (I.E. right before reaching the Savage Coast region), complete and unchanged. 2) Maps of Sind, the Great Waste, and Yvaldom. 3) "Mini-Gazeteers" of Sind, Yvaldom, Grakalla, and the hated Karimari. These "Mini-Gazeteers" are considerably shorter/briefer than "real" ones, but they are quite good none the less. Other than the Princess Ark's own crew, however, there isn't much of any NPC/character sketches. 4) Rules for designing aerial craft, including not only enchanted vessels but "oddball" craft, like Gnomish Zepplins. 5) Lots of details on the crew of the UASS Princess Ark (the "Un-Alphatian Skyship Princess Ark", aka "USS Enterprise"), and some general info on Alphatian skyship crews generally, as well as those of the MKlingons (AKA "Heldannic Knights"). You can thus introduce these guys into your campaign if you so desire, or simply gush over them from afar. 6) "Ship Cards" similar to the glossy, thick-paper cards found in many Spelljammer boxed sets; these describe a variety of vessels in "capsule" form. 7) A consise run-down of Bruce Heard's "Silver Standard" economics & taxation system, plus a bunch of information giving tips to DMs for designing/inventing their own settings/nations to insert within Mystara. Some of this information is even quite helpful. Is this box worth your $30? Yes, I'd pick it up if you don't already have it. Dispite my snide remarks about some of it, it's all well written, and there's such a variety of information in the box that I'm sure you'll find some aspects that you like which will make the purchace worth it. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:43:31 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark: Champions of Mystara MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Is this material fresh, like not mentioned in the Dragon articles. Or does >> it just have more details so DMs can run a campaign just like the Voyage? >This is the infamous "Champions of Mystara" box. It includes stuff covered >in the Dragon articles, but also a bunch of other things: James wrote... >1) The Voyage up until Slagovitch (I.E. right before reaching the Savage >Coast region), complete and unchanged. Alan wrote... >One book summarizes the Dragon articles from 153--168. The next picks >up with the articles from 169 till the end (Dragon 188). Actually, neither of these statements is entirely accurate. The "Heroes of the Princess Ark" book includes a synopsis of the Ark's adventures from issues 153-168 (indluding the entirety of their explorations on Davania, Myoshima, and in the Hollow World, as well as their battles with Synn) followed by a complete reprint of the stories from Dragon 169-188 (Sind, Ylaruam, Slagovich, and the various areas described in the Savage Coast/Red Steel material). >2) Maps of Sind, the Great Waste, and Yvaldom. As well as parts of Hule, all of the City-States, and Ulimwengu. >3) "Mini-Gazeteers" of Sind, Yvaldom, Grakalla, and the hated Karimari. >These "Mini-Gazeteers" are considerably shorter/briefer than "real" ones, >but they are quite good none the less. Other than the Princess Ark's own >crew, however, there isn't much of any NPC/character sketches. "Hated" Karimari? Anyway, the Graakhalia and Ulimwengu gazetteers, two of the never before detailed civilizations in this book, are excellent, IMO. It's true that the NPC character sketches are generally somewhat lacking, but there is a "sampe NPC" for each culture and fairly detaield descriptions of the various Rajahs and Majarajahs of Sind. >4) Rules for designing aerial craft, including not only enchanted vessels >but "oddball" craft, like Gnomish Zepplins. Also rules for flying them. >5) Lots of details on the crew of the UASS Princess Ark (the "Un-Alphatian >Skyship Princess Ark", aka "USS Enterprise"), and some general info on >Alphatian skyship crews generally, as well as those of the MKlingons (AKA >"Heldannic Knights"). You can thus introduce these guys into your campaign >if you so desire, or simply gush over them from afar. The storyline, written entirely in the first person Alphatian perspective, is certainly very anti-HK. On the other hand, there's no real reason why you can't turn it around and make the Alphatians into the villains (an alliance with the Nagpa? You must be joking--they're far worse than Hule!). >6) "Ship Cards" similar to the glossy, thick-paper cards found in many >Spelljammer boxed sets; these describe a variety of vessels in "capsule" >form. I haven't seen Spelljammer, but some of these ships are fairly interesting. >7) A consise run-down of Bruce Heard's "Silver Standard" economics & >taxation system, plus a bunch of information giving tips to DMs for >designing/inventing their own settings/nations to insert within Mystara. >Some of this information is even quite helpful. It's good, but I had actually hoped for more here. The world-maker's guide is very concise, but it is also very well-written and informative. In addition, the box details several new magical items, monsters, spells, etc. These are scattered through all three books, but it includes some very interesting ones. >Is this box worth your $30? > Yes, I'd pick it up if you don't already have it. Dispite my snide remarks >about some of it, it's all well written, and there's such a variety of >information in the box that I'm sure you'll find some aspects that you like >which will make the purchace worth it. I agree here. If nothing else, it provides by far the most detailed information available on Sind, Yavdlom, Graakhalia, and Ulimwengu. It also can provide an excellent introduction to the Savage Coast setting if you don't yet own the Dragon Archive. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:39:49 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "Hated" Karimari? > People probably have the impression that if I could choose one Mystaran nation to subject to Orbital Bombardment, it would be Alphatia. Nope. Not at all. It's the insufferable Karimari. Ulumwengu. As the Krickiters said regarding the universe as a whole, "it'll have to go." > Anyway, the Graakhalia and Ulimwengu gazetteers, two of > the never before detailed civilizations in this book, are excellent, IMO. > This, however, is quite true, in the sense that the writing is very good. One would only dislike the places on "aesthetic, personal" grounds; the Mini-Gaz's are very well written, and different people have different place (I'm sure some people just love the Karimari. To each their own). > > I haven't seen Spelljammer, but some of these ships are fairly interesting. > I was just trying to describe the "format" of those cards. Anyhow, during the "Era" of TSR when the Champions box was published, not all the boxed sets they produced were worth the price, so that might be what makes some folks reluctant to pick up this one. This is an exception, though: the "Champions" box is one where you definately get value for your money, and I have no hesitations saying you should buy it if you find it. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:25:21 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i did like your maps, any kind of new one is welcome (we lack map depicting > towns and cities). > thib i have all the gaz maps if you need any towns or cities off them just give me a shout. mortus ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:14:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.com:80) Subject: Re: Midwood hamlet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:31:17 Caroletti wrote: >The Stalker ha scritto: > >> -- >> >> On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:09:04 Caroletti wrote: >> >> >> >> [Geez, how did I manage to turn such a simple thing into such a long post?? It's a gift, I suppose :)] >> >> >> >> - The Stalker of Alphatia >> > >> >The name says why. Alphatia. >> >Thyatians are more concise. See? >> > >> >ISS >> >COTXXC >> >PLT >> > >> >> I'm sure it does... for a Thyatian! WHAT ON THE MOONS OF MYSTARA DOES THAT MEAN ???? ;) >> >> - The Stalker of Alphatia > >"Bla bla bla Alphatians intelligent superior wizards bla bla bla" > >ISS Iulius Sergius Scaevola >COTXXC Captain of the XXth Cohort >PLT Port Lucinius, Thyatis > >And don't say you should not have known... > Well, we Alphatian wizards usually have so many spells floating around in our minds that we don't have time for those annoying abbreviations - after all, I'm still trying to remember just what NACE means... ;) - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:56:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: erewan laubgaenger Subject: Re: Combat and tactitcs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Max Monas wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have recently bought Player option: Combat and Tactics. I would like to > ask whether anyone has ever used this and if anyone did how they liked it. I > haven't used it yet but all the things I have read look very nice, > especially the way the fighting sequences are spiced up. Please let me know > how you liked it and whether you would recommend it. > I am also looking for encounter maps (the maps that are talked about in the > Combat and Options), which are 1 square inch gridded maps for those > encounters. Does anyone know where I can find these (maybe on the internet > or maybe in which packsI can found them so I can buy them). Cheers. i like the Combat and Taktics. we use it in our Camp. together with the other P.O. books. things that are positive are: the Armor skill, so that fighters with less strenght also carry heaier armor. the "new" way to master weapons. the time before a fighter mage was a "better" warrior as a true fighter. better is here like powerful. A fighter with spells or spell combination like armor or shield and stoneskin or fireshield and strenght and hast are very mighty. so the players do like to play true warriors. with the fighting styles the fights needs some more time, but bring also colour in the fight. the shield skill, that improved the shield up to a bonus +3 is powerful, but is a good thing. in our Camp. the charakters like to fight with two weapons (mostly two longsworts), because an add attack is better as an +1 bonus to AC. the second weapon is also avaible to defensive Block/Trap tricks. now some charakters use shield. negative is: the armour skill in the Charakter gen. of the mage. he has to drop up to 3 schools or take some negative points but is then able to cast spells while wearing full plate armour. so an elvenchain is then only for sleeping. but all things are options and a DM has the last word....... in our Camp. we discuss it and as DM i say that NPC could have the same Skills as PC has. so it brings also surprises is the Camp. if there comes Magespells from the front leader in platemail. the typical - robe=Mage, leather=thief (with spear=druid) belongs to the past. the most Npc are simple like the old one. but there are also fighter without armor. -PC: the one in the robes can`t cast?? - GM: No, he isn?t a caster!! IBON ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:58:49 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.com:80) Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:34:02 Damon Alexander Brown wrote: >Hey, folks! Just thought I'd throw out the >announcement that I've put up a page of various coats >of arms from Mystara. > >At the risk of repeating the intro page from it, I >basically drew a number of coats of arms for my own >campaign. Some are identical to "canon" sources, some >are similar(read: inspired by) the originals, and some >are just plain made-up to suit my own taste. > >Anyway, from a web-design standpoint, it's pretty >amatuer, but I think the actual pictures turned out >pretty well. So, check it out and let me know what you >guys think if get the inclination: > >http://www.geocities.com/habgyp/ > >-Damon > Wow! They look excellent - good job! I'm wondering a bit about your source for the Alphatian symbol, though. I thought Alphatia's symbol was that peculiar winged-bull-with-a-human-head thing on the cover of the Player's Guide to Alphatia in DOTE? Don't get me wrong - I actually like your 'sun-like' symbol more, I just wonder where it came from (the bull-thing always seemed, well, odd to me - what association does Alphatia have to that creature, whatever it is?). Looking forward to seeing more in the future (please!)... ;) - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:43:49 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-08 9:03:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alphatian@ANGELFIRE.COM writes: << I'm wondering a bit about your source for the Alphatian symbol, though. I thought Alphatia's symbol was that peculiar winged-bull-with-a-human-head thing on the cover of the Player's Guide to Alphatia in DOTE? Don't get me wrong - I actually like your 'sun-like' symbol more, I just wonder where it came from (the bull-thing always seemed, well, odd to me - what association does Alphatia have to that creature, whatever it is?). >> That winged bull with a human head was associated with Assyria and/or perhaps other ancient Mesopotamian civilizations, just as the eagle on the Thyatian book was associated with Rome. Other than the fact that both Alphatia and Assyria are "really old civilizations", they don't seem to have that much in common. But there are a couple of points to consider: 1) The Atlantis connection. In the real world Plato associated Atlantis with the Greek god Poseidon, so any symbol appropriate to Poseidon (such as the trident or a horse) would be appropriate to MAtlantis. 2) Alphatia was originally colonized by the Followers of the Air, whose hated enemies were the Followers of the Flame. It would thus be appropriate for the Alphatians to use a symbol associated with air but not with fire. The sun would seem to have too many fire associations for the Alphatians to want to use it as their symbol. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:23:38 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Damon Alexander Brown Subject: Heraldry feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First of all, thanks to everyone who gave me any feedback concerning the coats of arms. I really appreciate it!! Next, let me go ahead and respond to several here at once: --- Caroletti wrote: > > By the way, have anybody seen the coats of arms > of the Savage Coast kingdoms?? They are cool too. I haven't seen these. Where can they be found? > Now we should > do the write ups for the symbol of churches etc., > and maybe you could > create those, too...Hm? Sounds like a cool idea. I'm not sure how soon I'd be able to do many more especially ones that don't pertain specifically to my own campaign. I made the individual coats of arms for the various houses a priority because I'll need them soon. If anyone has any other coats of arms, clan marks, etc. they'd like to see, feel free to let me know, but I can't make any promises as to when I'll have them finished... --- "Francisco V. Navarro" wrote: > > Over all, a great site! Bravo! > > But I have some questions about the Glantrian coat > of arms. Granted, they > are not exactly the same as the one from the G:KoM > book, but there are major > differences one cannot ignore, particularly of the > Houses Gorevitch-Woszlany > (crosses vs. drops of blood), Krinagar (5-leafed > something vs. skulls and > portcullises?), Virayana (horse vs. tiger), and most > of all, Hillsbury > (chicken vs. 3 hills!!!) Haaskinz, I'm not sure what > either symbols > represent, but they're quite different to me. > > Just wondering. Fair enough. As I said in the intro, they were done to suit my own sensibilties, bottom line. However, I'd be more than happy to share the way my less-than-logical brain works in coming to decisions: I felt the one for Gorevitch-Woszlany was a little too... well, obvious. The "crosslet" was chosen because it has, IMO, a bit of an odd gothic feel while still remaining somewhat vague. The 5-leaf plant for Krinigar was chosen because I think it has a slightly Asian look about it and I thought that was more appropriate to an Ethengarian derived house. Besides, what the heck is the horned-skull/portcullis motif supposed to symbolize, anyway? The horse was chosen instead of the tiger for Virayana because once again I wanted to emphasize the Ethengarian origins. That and I couldn't find a tiger silhouette that I really liked, anyhow. :o) And as for Hillsbury... I couldn't bring myself to putting "hills" on a coat of arms. I just couldn't do it. Instead, I just decided to make something that appeared somewhat Anglic (with all apologies to the English folks out there). Oh yeah, it's not a really a chicken, it's a - um, rooster. Yes, Haaskinz is definitely different, but as you pointed out, the one from G:KoM didn't really seem to symbolize anything in particular. So, I just came up with something that I found aesthically pleasing and added some variety to the collection. --- The Stalker wrote: > > I'm wondering a bit about your source for the > Alphatian symbol, though. I thought Alphatia's > symbol was that peculiar > winged-bull-with-a-human-head thing on the cover of > the Player's Guide to Alphatia in DOTE? Don't get me > wrong - I actually like your 'sun-like' symbol more, > I just wonder where it came from (the bull-thing > always seemed, well, odd to me - what association > does Alphatia have to that creature, whatever it > is?). Well, like you, I thought the symbol from DotE was pretty odd, not to mention less-than feasible for personal usage. Also, IMC, the Alphatians are still a pretty alien culture to most Mystarans, so I wanted to use a symbol that was an unconventional shape for traditional heraldry. The starburst-type symbol was meant to be a subtle stellar reference and the colors chosen were to reflect the domination of the Followers of the Air. > Looking forward to seeing more in the future > (please!)... ;) As I said before, I make no promises about when I can add more - but as time permits, I will hopefully expand the collection greatly. I have a few more national ones that I've already started on and should have up soon (Wendar & Sind). Also, I'm working on a collection of Immortal symbols that will be added to the site. They are only silhouettes but I think that makes them more flexible for a variety of situations. And of course, there will be several that deviate substantially from official descriptions... Anyway, I'm glad people liked them. I hope I have provided a resource that is even a fraction as useful to the campaigns of others as the things I've found by you folks online!! -Damon ===== "A day without sunshine is like... well, night." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:51:45 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: Heraldry feedback MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> By the way, have anybody seen the coats of arms >> of the Savage Coast kingdoms?? They are cool too. >I haven't seen these. Where can they be found? These are one of the files that can be downloaded at the WotC website. I'm not sure if they're on Shawn's site yet. They are definitely worth checking out. BTW--your crests certainly look very good! Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:19:18 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara In-Reply-To: <200004081841.OAA01364@smtp6.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, James Ruhland wrote: > > "Hated" Karimari? > > > People probably have the impression that if I could choose one Mystaran > nation to subject to Orbital Bombardment, it would be Alphatia. > > Nope. Not at all. > > It's the insufferable Karimari. Ulumwengu. > > As the Krickiters said regarding the universe as a whole, "it'll have to > go." > Amen to that. A complete set of self-centered bastards who would gladly sit back and watch everyone else on the planet be slowly basted alive if their precious little land was untouched. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:29:57 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-09 2:19:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ranma@FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU writes: << Amen to that. A complete set of self-centered bastards who would gladly sit back and watch everyone else on the planet be slowly basted alive if their precious little land was untouched. >> So how does that make the Karimari unique? I can think of only a handful of Mystaran nations that DON'T have that attitude. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 03:08:10 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The descriptions of the Alphatian alphabet and various Mystaran numeric systems got me thinking a bit about the history of writing on Mystara. To get the easy part out of the way first -- the Darokinians would have been quick to see the value of the Sindi/Ylari number system and would have quickly adopted it and spread it to the other nations of the Known World. By 1000 AC, that system of numbers would be used by most nations, with the other systems retained only for special traditional applications. As for general writing: The alphabet was invented by the race of Planar Spiders from whom both Korotiku and the Aranea were descended. Their original writing system resembled the ancient Phoenician alphabet but quickly evolved into a form resembling the Hebrew alphabet. When the Aranea arrived on Mystara, they brought this writing system with them and (in the case of the Herathians) spread it to their neighbors. Hule in particular adopted the original Herathian alphabet and adapted it into a form that closely resembles the Arabic alphabet. Under the prophet Al-Kalim the Ylari rejected all "heathen" systems of writing and adopted the Hulean variant of the most ancient writing system. Among the people who learned writing from the Planar Spiders were the Old Alphatians. However, since their language differed considerably from that of the Planar Spiders, they made major changes to the writing system that they received from them, and they converted the Herathian alphabet into the Greek alphabet variant described in that recent Tome of Mystara article. The Alphatians colonized the island/continent of Atlantis on Laterre, from which their writing system spread to the European peoples of that world. In later centuries the Laterrans would alter this alphabet into a form resembling the Latin alphabet, which in turn was carried by the Averoignese, Klantyres, and Anglais to Glantri. The Atlanteans in turn made contact with the Neathar of Mystara and taught their writing system to them. These Neathar (who became the Thonians and Blackmoorians) adapted the Atlantean/Alphatian writing system into a runic alphabet that would become universal on Mystara during its first civilized age but fall into almost total disuse thereafter. After the Great Rain of Fire the dwarves and the Antalians would preserve this writing system for future generations but modify it for their own purposes. By 1000 AC, Mystaran adventurers presented with a Blackmoorian coin who could read Dwarvish or Heldannic would be able to sound out the writing on the coin but not translate its full meaning. Meanwhile, the arrival of the Alphatians in 1000 BC introduced their alphabet to Mystara, and most alphabets in current use are derived from that alphabet. The Milenians somehow received that alphabet and used it unchanged, un- aware of its origin before or after their translation to the Hollow World. Mean- while, the Thyatians also learned writing from the Alphatians. However, see- ing that the Alphatian alphabet lacked a few sounds from their language, they added some new letters to create the current "Common" alphabet, which is now used by most Known World and Savage Coast nations and resembles a hybrid between the Greek and Cyrillic alphabets. If there is sufficient interest, I will detail this hybrid alphabet later. Of course, when the Traladarans learned this alphabet they adapted it into a purely Cyrillic form, which they carried with them to other nations -- but the hybrid form adopted by the Thyatians proved far more popular. A few writing systems exist that are not derived from the Planar Spider writing system. The elves, in particular, developed a completely inde- pendent alphabet for their own language. This writing system might be represented by Tolkien's "tengwar" system. The Nithians would have developed a writing system that would best be represented by Egyptian hieroglyphics. After the Immortals took strong action against Nithia, destroyed the "corrupt" elements of its civilization, and removed the rest of it to the Hollow World, they created the "Thothian" writing system, which would have been based on the hieratic writing system. Knowledge of earlier Nithian writing would be suppressed by the lack of any writings that could be used to connect the earlier writing system with the later one. Anyway -- Does this history seem to hold together so far? Does anyone have any comments for correcting or supplementing what I have written so far? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:04:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Heraldry feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The 5-leaf plant for Krinigar was chosen because I > think it has a slightly Asian look about it and I > thought that was more appropriate to an Ethengarian > derived house. Besides, what the heck is the > horned-skull/portcullis motif supposed to symbolize, > anyway? Skullhorn Pass perhaps, and Skullhorn Pass Camp which he commanded IIrc. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:12:46 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Amen to that. A complete set of self-centered bastards who would gladly > sit back and watch everyone else on the planet be slowly basted alive if > their precious little land was untouched. > So you dislike them for the realistic portrayal of the human psyche? Whilst other nations hide their own shortcomings by interfering in the affairs of others, you find this group objectionable. Perhaps if more people followed the path of non interference Mystara wouldn't be in the state it's currently in (post SNAFU I (WotI)). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:21:20 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry and a question about DotE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm wondering a bit about your source for the Alphatian symbol, though. I thought Alphatia's symbol was that peculiar winged-bull-with-a-human-head thing on the cover of the Player's Guide to Alphatia in DOTE The Shedu you mean. BTW how many other people have the interiors of both players guides printed on wrong paper? Interior of mine has Alphatia printed on paper for Thyatis and vice versa. Was it the entire print run, or just some of us? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:29:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: erewan laubgaenger Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd say it's worth the $30, but if you don't have all the Dragon > articles, first buy the Dragon Magazine CD Archive, which is worth > twice what it sells for. where do i get these Dragon Mag. CD? what does it cost? what is on it? all Dragon mags? and what.... IBON ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:44:28 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: erewan laubgaenger Subject: unconscious and dream spell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello all of you what is happen to a mage if he becomes unconscious by spell (AD&D2th "dream" 5th Mage) or if he is reduced to 0 HP? if he wake up has he still all his spells in memory? or are the lost? and suffer clerics/priest the same disadvantage? the Dream Spell (5th mage) could be countered by a Dispel Evil (5th Cleric). has the mage, the one who cast the dream spell a spell save? or get he automaticly unconscious? if he has a save. what happen? will he only throw out of the dream or could he stay? and could the priest dispell again? what do you think? IBON ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:51:29 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i have them too, but what i meant was if you could invent the maps of towns not already depicted (ex: Selenica). jason o'brien a �crit: > > > > i did like your maps, any kind of new one is welcome (we lack map > depicting > > towns and cities). > > > thib i have all the gaz maps if you need any towns or cities off them just > give me a shout. > > mortus > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:21:52 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> I'd say it's worth the $30, but if you don't have all the Dragon >> articles, first buy the Dragon Magazine CD Archive, which is worth >> twice what it sells for. > >where do i get these Dragon Mag. CD? >what does it cost? >what is on it? all Dragon mags? and what.... >IBON The Dragon Magazine CD has all Dragon Magazines up to #250 reprinted entirely as .pdf files. You can get it at WotC's web store if you live in the U.S. (apparently they don't ship overseas--I'm not sure about Canada or Mexico), or at Amazon.com and similar sites. This includes all the Voyage of the Princess Ark issues, as well as a lot of other useful stuff. It's definitely worth picking up if you don't already own most of the old Dragon back issues. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:44:35 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark In-Reply-To: erewan laubgaenger's message of "Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:29:49 +0200" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii erewan laubgaenger writes: > where do i get these Dragon Mag. CD? > what does it cost? I don't know any Germany info, but in the US it's available from many bookstores and hobby stores, online and off. Amazon and Barnes and Noble didn't have it in stock last I check, but WotC's online store does. Amazon UK doesn't appear to have it. I think retail price is somewhere around US$60. > what is on it? all Dragon mags? and what.... 5 CDs full of all the Dragons from issue 1 to issue 250. I don't know offhand if the annuals are on there or not. They're all in PDF format, and there's some search engine/interface for Windows, but I've never actually used it. (No Windows here.) -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 216 days, 54 minutes, 32 seconds till we run away. Postmen never die, they just lose their zip. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:42:24 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In a message dated 2000-04-09 2:19:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ranma@FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU writes: > > << Amen to that. A complete set of self-centered bastards who would > gladly sit back and watch everyone else on the planet be slowly basted > alive if their precious little land was untouched. >> > > To which Kaviyd retorts: > > So how does that make the Karimari unique? I can think of only a handful > of Mystaran nations that DON'T have that attitude. > > Following which G.P.Dooley piles on thusly: > > > So you dislike them for the realistic portrayal of the human psyche? > Whilst other nations hide their own shortcomings by interfering in > the affairs of others, you find this group objectionable. > Well. . ."realistic portrayal of the human psyche" or not (and probably they are), the Karimari are probably one of those places that provoke extreme reactions on reading them. There are those who will read that section and think "my, what great fellows. I'd love to live there." Then there are those who. . .what's that Gengis Khan quote that ends ". . .and here the lamentations of their women."? Folks who'd want to see the undeserving place cut down a peg. Firstly, "non-interference as a good thing" - well, perhaps that would be fine and admirable in the real world (yep, non-interfiering in Rwanda or the Southern Sudan &tc &tc is the way to go - N.B. that this attitude is the one J.W.Biles was reacting against. So, if you think it's wise to stand asside and do nothing, then you will certainly love the Karimari). But even if one thinks a policy of non-interference and isolationism is worthy in the real world, it's a wrongheaded theme for a game world wherin "fantastic adventure" is expected - a world where everyone minds their own business might be the best of all possible worlds for a cobbler or peon to live in, but it would be "BOR-ING" to adventure in. However, the Karimari are insufferable on so many levels, one hardly knows where to start. "Self-centered bastards" indeed. Now, as Kaviyd says "so, what else is new? That's de-rigur. You're just noticing it now, in Ulimwengu?" Well, there are continums, spectrums, not just "self-centered" vs "non-self-centered." Most Mystarans think of themselves as better than everyone else, true, but some more so than others - and none of the others have a special "exemption from dificulty" clause simply because of their arrogant attitudes. The Karimari are at one of the extreme ends of insuferability, while getting all the benifits with none of the costs (by the way, is this a "realistic portrayal?" Nope. But it is a fantasy world, I suppose). Take the following: Dispite having done nothing over the last several centuries, if not milenia, save form a large circle and pat each other on the back for how wonderful they are, we are supposed to believe that every adult Karimari is at least 3rd level. The Karimari are under one of Dupuis's infamous "veils of exemption from difficulty" - "hardship is what happens to other people" probably is a Karimari saying. THAT is what makes their attitude insufferable. Like some other peoples, elsewhere in the world (hint, people are now interpreting the name for these persons as "First People"), the Karimari are, in effect, lavished with all sorts of benifits by the Immortals while remaining indifferent and uncaring towards them - an aspect of them getting everything more or less gratus, without having to toil for it like the "other, lesser people" of Mystara. Nothing truely bad ever happens to them, not because they are exceptionally virtuous compared to other Mystarans, but just because they've been exempted from having to face difficulties. This makes them come off as exceptionally smug. Some people react to a clique of smug, haughty people by saying "boy, they're 'with it', they've gotta be onto something good. I gotta join that bandwagon." while others react with "I'd like to see those supercilious cretins knocked off their pedistal." So we have two different sets of reactions to the Karimari, just like we have two different sets of reactions to Karameikos, for instance. But the tricks on them, really. There's a little "mental game" that can be played (there's a term for this process in German, IIRC, but I forget what it is) with respect to things, including nations: "if X suddenly vanished tomorrow, would anyone care? Would anyone even notice?" If their absence would be noticed and have ramifications elsewhere, then such a nation can be said to matter. If not, then not. On Mystara, almost all nations fall into the former catagory: their absence would be noticed elsewhere, have an effect on their neighbors (for good or ill). Ulimwengu falls into the second catagory: the Karimari are superfluous to Mystara. They don't matter. Since they don't, they don't really belong in a gameworld anyhow. To sum up: the Karimari have no real accomplishments that might make their attitude somewhat explainable, though not laudable. The Alphatians at least built a large, powerful Empire twice (admittedly, the third time it was just handed to them, in the form of Un-Alphatia). The Karimari just got everything handed to them on a silver platter, doing nothing not only in relation to others, but nothing on their own accord either. They thus have no excuse for their sense of self-importance. That is why they deserve to be dispised. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:22:15 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry and a question about DotE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Shedu you mean. > BTW how many other people have the interiors of both players guides printed > on wrong paper? > Interior of mine has Alphatia printed on paper for Thyatis and vice versa. > Was it the entire print run, or just some of us? Yeah, Mine are printed in reverse also. It's a bit disconcerting. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:32:25 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara In-Reply-To: <002601bfa215$8364d6a0$b58530d5@gdnw08959> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Amen to that. A complete set of self-centered bastards who would gladly > > sit back and watch everyone else on the planet be slowly basted alive if > > their precious little land was untouched. > > > So you dislike them for the realistic portrayal of the human psyche? Off-Topic: That's quite a negative view of 'reality.' Many people give a damn about things that affect others - look at all the protests vs. apartheid in the 80s, for instance, which did not in any way affect Americans, for instance. Reality often shatters optimism, but too many "realists" seem to be overly pessimistic. - Mischa Percent of children 12-18 who have a TV in their bedroom: 53% ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:12:47 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James: First, have I ever mentioned that I love your "ranting screeds"? They almost always make me think about something differently than I have before. [Assuming, that is, it's on a topic I'm at least passingly familiar with, which is not always the case... but I digress] It's interesting because the very /first/ Mystara product I ever purchased for my own was CoM. I'd seen the other Gazetteers because a good friend of mine owns all of them, but it was my first personal acquisition. (Primarily because said friend doesn't have /any/ of the Mystara Resources "West of Atruaghin" and I wanted info he wasn't intimately knowledgeable with) In any case, I always found that I liked the idea of a more primitive tribal group in Mystara -- the real world has many such groups in the Africas and even Australia some of which managed to avoid being 'corrupted' by the 'white man's influence'. But the Karimari only /look/ that way ... which is, I suppose, the crux of the matter, and so I, too, have found it difficult figuring out how to work the Karimari into a campaign (although recently I've found a couple of Dungeon Magazine adventures involving Elephants and 'native tribes men' that might work...) > To sum up: the Karimari have no real accomplishments that might make their > attitude somewhat explainable, though not laudable. The Alphatians at least > built a large, powerful Empire twice (admittedly, the third time it was > just handed to them, in the form of Un-Alphatia). The Karimari just got > everything handed to them on a silver platter, doing nothing not only in > relation to others, but nothing on their own accord either. They thus have > no excuse for their sense of self-importance. That is why they deserve to > be dispised. So I wonder, James, how would you /change/ the Karimari to give them more accomplishments and make them into a more worthwhile, useful element in a fantasy campaign world? Maybe you have some ideas I might find useful. ;-) Jenni -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ <------------------------------------------------------------------> God created Light. Then Earth, Vegetables, Animals, Man and Woman. Then God started to think: "I should create things I *like*!" And God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web� Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:27:07 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: James Ruhland >Then > there are those who. . .what's that Gengis Khan quote that ends ". . .and > here the lamentations of their women."? Folks who'd want to see the > undeserving place cut down a peg. Is that really from Gengis Khan? I know I remember it from Conan, his wish from his goddess. "To see my enemies driven before me, to cut them down, and to hear the lamentations of their women." If it is really from ole Khan, I'd like to know. I hate picking up a fictional reference and thinking its the original when its not. > However, the Karimari are insufferable on so many levels, one hardly knows > where to start. "Self-centered bastards" indeed.... > To sum up: the Karimari have no real accomplishments that might make their > attitude somewhat explainable, though not laudable. The Alphatians at least > built a large, powerful Empire twice (admittedly, the third time it was > just handed to them, in the form of Un-Alphatia). The Karimari just got > everything handed to them on a silver platter, doing nothing not only in > relation to others, but nothing on their own accord either. They thus have > no excuse for their sense of self-importance. That is why they deserve to > be dispised I always imagine James with a big grin on his face, or at least a little side grin, whenever he makes statements like the above. In any case, James' comments about the Karimari remind me of a passage from Douglas Adams. I can't remember the precise quote, so the following is a complete paraphrase. It had something to do with a superior culture that was destroyed by everyone else because, "no one likes a smart ass." ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:43:31 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Sayings of Temujin. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Is that really from Gengis Khan? I know I remember it from Conan, his wish > from his goddess. "To see my enemies driven before me, to cut them down, > and to hear the lamentations of their women." > Yep, that's the one. > If it is really from ole Khan, I'd like to know. I hate picking up a > fictional reference and thinking its the original when its not. > Well, to be accurate, it was *attributed* to Gengis Khan, which doesn't nessisarily mean he really said it (lots of things are attributed, in lore, to people, and it sometimes turns out they never said it). As far as I know, Gengis Khan was the originator of that little formula for happyness. > > I always imagine James with a big grin on his face, or at least a little > side grin, whenever he makes statements like the above. > *_+ It doesn't mean I don't believe them when I say them, though. But we *are* talking about a fictional setting created for enjoyment, so there's no need not to have a little fun in discussing it, either. . . > In any case, James' comments about the Karimari remind me of a passage from > Douglas Adams. I can't remember the precise quote, so the following is a > complete paraphrase. It had something to do with a superior culture that > was destroyed by everyone else because, "no one likes a smart ass." > Again, *_+ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:32:16 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's quite a negative view of 'reality.' Many people give a damn about > things that affect others - look at all the protests vs. apartheid in the > 80s, for instance, which did not in any way affect Americans, for > instance. Unusual choice since it pretty much was an isolationist stance that the Americans had in the 30's. Took someone actually wounding their national pride, and a president who's complicity in said action is coming to light, to shake the apathy out of most of them. The appeasement of Germany by Britain et al is another of those truly Karimari moments too. After this Email privately please as don't want to clog up the list with an Off topic debate ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:47:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But the tricks on them, really. There's a little "mental game" that can be > played (there's a term for this process in German, IIRC, but I forget what > it is) with respect to things, including nations: "if X suddenly vanished > tomorrow, would anyone care? Would anyone even notice?" > If their absence would be noticed and have ramifications elsewhere, then > such a nation can be said to matter. > If not, then not. > On Mystara, almost all nations fall into the former catagory: their absence > would be noticed elsewhere, have an effect on their neighbors (for good or > ill). Ulimwengu falls into the second catagory: the Karimari are > superfluous to Mystara. They don't matter. Following this Illogic to it's conclusion just when does your Jihad against the poor ,homeless and dispossessed begin? They have exactly the same effect upon the world at large! Since they don't, they don't really belong in a gameworld anyhow. > Piffle! Maybe they don't belong in your gameworld, but let the rest of us form our own conclusions. > To sum up: the Karimari have no real accomplishments that might make their > attitude somewhat explainable, though not laudable. The Alphatians at least > built a large, powerful Empire twice (admittedly, the third time it was > just handed to them, in the form of Un-Alphatia). The Karimari just got > everything handed to them on a silver platter, doing nothing not only in > relation to others, but nothing on their own accord either. They thus have > no excuse for their sense of self-importance. That is why they deserve to > be dispised. > Alphatia is laudable because it killed thousands and destroyed entire cultures and it's original homeworld. The Karimari are laudable because they did none of these things. It all depends where you draw the lines to fight over. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:37:52 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Voyage of the Princess Ark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit erewan laubgaenger wrote: > > > I'd say it's worth the $30, but if you don't have all the Dragon > > articles, first buy the Dragon Magazine CD Archive, which is worth > > twice what it sells for. > > where do i get these Dragon Mag. CD? I suppose it will still be available at hobby trades, or you could get it from online shops. > what does it cost? In Italy, it's over 60$, IIRC. > what is on it? all Dragon mags? and what.... All Dragon mags, up to no. 250, and the 7 issues of TSR, an ancestor of Dragon. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:33:29 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First, have I ever mentioned that I love your "ranting screeds"? They > almost always make me think about something differently than I have > before. > Thank you, *bows*. I always sort of figured that was one of the purposes of such mailing lists, getting new perspectives (even if they're bad or worthless). > It's interesting because the very /first/ Mystara product I ever > purchased for my own was CoM. I'd seen the other Gazetteers because a good > friend of mine owns all of them, but it was my first personal acquisition. > Well, you're lucky then, actually. Dispite my quibbles with it, CoM is possibly the best "introduction" to Mystara; lots of stuff in there. > In any case, I always found that I liked the idea of a more primitive > tribal group in Mystara - > I don't mind the tribal stuff, it's the other parts of the Karimari that vex me. > by the 'white man's influence'. But the Karimari only /look/ that way .. > which is, I suppose, the crux of the matter, and so I, too, have found it > difficult figuring out how to work the Karimari into a campaign > The Karimari are, IMO, difficult to incorporate even if one is inclined to like them, because of the severe degree to which they are "set appart". IMO, the only "obvious" way to incorporate them would be to run a campaign where characters were Karimari who left Ulimwengu. Which, come to think of it, doesn't so much incorporate the Karimari into the campaign. > So I wonder, James, how would you /change/ the Karimari to give them more > accomplishments and make them into a more worthwhile, useful element in a > fantasy campaign world? Maybe you have some ideas I might find useful. ;-) > I promise to think about that and get back to you (I don't have much time online today - doing outside chores this weekend; just taking a break from the woodchipper; but I do promise to get back to this. Remind me if I forget.) I'm full of ideas (of course some would also say I'm full of other substances) - I'm not sure they're good ideas, but you might find some of them passable. 8-) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:37:41 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Following this Illogic to it's conclusion just when does your Jihad against > the poor ,homeless and dispossessed begin? They have exactly the same effect > upon the world at large! > I don't see how you read the Ulimwengu stuff and came to the conclusion that they were "poor, homeless, and disposessed", but people are different, that's for sure. Note, however, that the sudden disapearance of the poor, homeless, and disposessed *would* be noticable, and so on that criterion your distortive "example" fails right from the begining. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:38:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Note, however, that the sudden disapearance of the poor, homeless, and > disposessed *would* be noticable, and so on that criterion your distortive > "example" fails right from the begining. > No moreso than the basic premise put forward by you. There ain't no such animal as a culture which would leave no effect with it's disappearance. Those who believe otherwise suffer from an ingrained racism that you just can't eradicate except by copious application of fire. The basic idea isn't just half-cocked, it's no-cocked. That's why it's dying out. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:25:14 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry and a question about DotE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-09 7:26:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dooley@CABLEINET.CO.UK writes: << BTW how many other people have the interiors of both players guides printed on wrong paper? Interior of mine has Alphatia printed on paper for Thyatis and vice versa. Was it the entire print run, or just some of us? >> I think it was the entire press run. I have never heard of anyone seeing a copy that did not have this problem. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:25:15 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: unconscious and dream spell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-09 7:49:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, IBON@GMX.DE writes: << what is happen to a mage if he becomes unconscious by spell (AD&D2th "dream" 5th Mage) or if he is reduced to 0 HP? if he wake up has he still all his spells in memory? or are the lost? and suffer clerics/priest the same disadvantage? >> I think it is only the shock of being "at death's door" that causes a spell- caster of any sort to lose all memorized spells. Simply being knocked out or put to sleep should have no such adverse effect. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:47:21 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i have them too, but what i meant was if you could invent the maps of towns > not already depicted (ex: Selenica). > what kind of software would you use for this,i'm not overly artistic but i could give it a try, i have paintshop pro4,campaign cartographer,i don't think i have any other packages that could possibly be used,unless grid can,if so i would gladly try my hand. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:53:00 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i think that C Cartographer would be the best choice for it , but then you would have to make a set of symbols... jason o'brien a �crit: > > i have them too, but what i meant was if you could invent the maps of > towns > > not already depicted (ex: Selenica). > > > what kind of software would you use for this,i'm not overly artistic but i > could give it a try, i have paintshop pro4,campaign cartographer,i don't > think i have any other packages that could possibly be used,unless grid > can,if so i would gladly try my hand. > > mortus. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:46:37 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: erewan laubgaenger Subject: 2 Handed Weapons One Handed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello together is there a rule that fit for 2 Handed Weapons used One Handed? the normal rule said that a M sized creature can use M weapons in one hand and lager weapon (2 handedsworts) in two hands. so a halfling needs two hands (because it is a S creature) to use a longswort and an ogre needs one hand to used a 2 handedswort. what is happen to a warrior (M size) with high Strenght if he want to use a 2 handed swort in one hand? what for a penalty he get or should he get? or should it be forbidden? IBON ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:45:42 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoa! Wait a minute! Not wanting to send people's children off to die in someone else's war is hardly a bad thing. And the attack on Pearl Harbor was about far more than pride. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul George Dooley To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Champions ofMystara > > That's quite a negative view of 'reality.' Many people give a damn about > > things that affect others - look at all the protests vs. apartheid in the > > 80s, for instance, which did not in any way affect Americans, for > > instance. > > Unusual choice since it pretty much was an isolationist stance that the > Americans had in the 30's. Took someone actually wounding their national > pride, and a president who's complicity in said action is coming to light, > to shake the apathy out of most of them. > The appeasement of Germany by Britain et al is another of those truly > Karimari moments too. > > After this Email privately please as don't want to clog up the list with an > Off topic debate > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:46:37 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: Sayings of Temujin. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > *_+ Is that a wink and a grin? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:39:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.com:80) Subject: Re: 2 Handed Weapons One Handed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:46:37 erewan laubgaenger wrote: >hello together >is there a rule that fit for >2 Handed Weapons used One Handed? >the normal rule said that a M sized creature can use M weapons in one hand >and lager weapon (2 handedsworts) in two hands. >so a halfling needs two hands (because it is a S creature) to use a longswort >and an ogre needs one hand to used a 2 handedswort. >what is happen to a warrior (M size) with high Strenght if he want to use a 2 handed >swort in one hand? >what for a penalty he get or should he get? >or should it be forbidden? >IBON > Hmm, we consulted the rules IMC because one of the PCs is a minotaur warrior and likes to use a two-handed sword in each hand! I don't remember exactly where it says so, but I'm pretty sure that the rules say that a character can use any weapon of the same size category as himself or smaller in one hand, and a weapon one category higher with two-hands, thus a human (size M creature) could use a longsword (size M weapon) in one hand, but would need two hands for a two-handed sword (size L weapon).(For the record, I'd consider dwarves to be size M for this particular purpose!) Note that the word 'two-handed sword' is really a 'misnomer' (sp?) in this case, since it only refers to how a human would consider the weapon - it's actually a racist comment by those nasty humans :) - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:21:22 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Karimari In-Reply-To: <00fc01bfa25b$666e6de0$b58530d5@gdnw08959> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Paul George Dooley wrote: > > Note, however, that the sudden disapearance of the poor, homeless, and > > disposessed *would* be noticable, and so on that criterion your distortive > > "example" fails right from the begining. > > > No moreso than the basic premise put forward by you. There ain't no such > animal as a culture which would leave no effect with it's disappearance. > Those who believe otherwise suffer from an ingrained racism that you just > can't eradicate except by copious application of fire. In what significant way would the sudden evaporation of the Karimari have any impact on their neighbors? If they just went 'poof' and vanished, how would this actually impact anyone else? John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:02:54 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ron Rogers Subject: Re: Karimari In-Reply-To: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" 's message of Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:12:47 -0700 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Didn't the Karimari send assistance to Sind during the Hulean invasion and the war with the Red Orcs? PWAII AC1012 says 100 Karimari warriors and their elephants fought with Chandra ul Nervi to try to regain Sind from the Huleans. They were defeated. Then the Master sent 10000 troops into Ulimwengu which were massacred. It says that the Master is plotting the destruction of the Karimari and that he knows they are not primitive tribesmen. CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) Knight of the Square Table http://members.tripod.com/~CronoCloud/index.html Member of the Knights Knoble http://knightsknoble.cjb.net ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:42:24 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen Subject: Location of Altenwald in Heldann In-Reply-To: <38F1165C.43FE6601@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've been wondering for some time now where exactly is the Altenwald in the Heldannic Territories? Judging from the excellent timeline it must be in the vicinity of Altendorf and Hockstein. But the large forest to the north of Altendorf, which I thought was the Altenwald is labeled Grauwald on Geof's map. My own guess is the forest to the north of Hockstein. Does anyone have further information on this? Best regards Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:55:40 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Karimari Jeff wrote: >In any case, James' comments about the Karimari remind me of a passage from >Douglas Adams. I can't remember the precise quote, so the following is a >complete paraphrase. It had something to do with a superior culture that >was destroyed by everyone else because, "no one likes a smart ass." I believe that was the scene in HHGTTG where the Guide discusses the creator of the Infinite Improbability Drive, in that he succeeded where everyone failed (cleaning up after the party in the lab, and, in toying with the equipment, makes the discovery that no one else could). He won all sorts of accolades, and was promptly lynched, to which the story ended by saying "no one likes a smartass." I'll take off my Raving HHGTTG Fan hat now.... ;-) Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:44:13 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems In-Reply-To: <72.2c5dca6.2621865a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, David Knott wrote: > Anyway -- Does this history seem to hold together so far? Does anyone > have any comments for correcting or supplementing what I have written > so far? Interesting thoughts here David. Some comments: 1. Blackmoor probably had forms of writing. 2. Antalians and runes? Did they invent them themselves? 3. You mention the cyrillic and greek alphabets. Weren't they originally the same? I seem to recall something about the cyrillic alphabet being derived from the writings of two greek monks.... H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:16:45 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Despicable Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> So I wonder, James, how would you /change/ the Karimari to give them more accomplishments and make them into a more worthwhile, useful element in a fantasy campaign world? Maybe you have some ideas I might find useful. ;-) Jenni<< Well, I have an idea just off of the top of my head. I think that James mentioned the Karamari getting some nice benifits (all 3rd level, protection from immortals even when they do not worship them, etc...) without having to suffer through any hardships. That got me to thinking...what if that Rock of theirs (or whatever it is, a rock or tree, I can't remember now) is not what we are led to believe it is. Nobody gets something for nothing after all, so I propose that it may be fun to make the Karimari Rock (or whatever) into an extension of (drum-roll) the Outer Beings.... Then, while we could say that the Karimari have done nothing (in a purely physical sense) to gain their various benifits, we could say that they must have surely sold their souls . IIRC they also ride on dinosaurs...perhaps they share something in common with the Carnifex. This might also fit in with the Karimari stance on secrecy and non-interference. The OBs don't want anyone to know what is going on in Ulimwengu until the Karimari are fully corrupted. Sending help to Sind might be explained as a sort of first test for the OBs new followers (perhaps the time for Karimari non-interference is coming to an end). Take this as you will, but I think that the idea has some merit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:19:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In what significant way would the sudden evaporation of the Karimari have > any impact on their neighbors? If they just went 'poof' and vanished, how > would this actually impact anyone else? > Perhaps Chandra ul Nerval of Sind would be the best person to ask this of. Didn't he go there and hide, and then raise an army. Seems by just being there the Karimari have impacted on both Sind and Hule, or are thousands of deaths just not important enough for you? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:23:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Didn't the Karimari send assistance to Sind during the Hulean invasion > and the war with the Red Orcs? > > PWAII AC1012 says 100 Karimari warriors and their elephants fought with > Chandra ul Nervi to try to regain Sind from the Huleans. They were > defeated. Then the Master sent 10000 troops into Ulimwengu which were > massacred. It says that the Master is plotting the destruction of the > Karimari and that he knows they are not primitive tribesmen. > My God! Conformation that the Karimari have had an impact. Looks like they can't just disappear now. They may want to stay out of what's going on in the world, but the world seems to want to involve them. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:19:07 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [[MYSTARA] Despicable Karimari] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Calvin wrote: > >IIRC they also ride on dinosaurs...perhaps they share >something in common with the Carnifex. > >This might also fit in with the Karimari stance on >secrecy and non-interference. The OBs don't want >anyone to know what is going on in Ulimwengu until the >Karimari are fully corrupted. Sending help to Sind >might be explained as a sort of first test for the OBs >new followers (perhaps the time for Karimari >non-interference is coming to an end). Damn you people! Damn you all to hell! :) I swear, for anyone who thinks that parallel evolution of ideas is not a legitimate phenomenon, you need to have your heads examined. It is a full= y legit, and real thing. Just living here near Hollywood has been enough of= a confirmation of that for me... Anyway, I've been working on something similar to this recently myself, b= ut was waiting until it was completed before revealing it. I still won't go = into it too much here, save to mention that in it, I am positing a relationshi= p between the Karimari and the Carnifex- not directly, but through the Carn= ifex' distant cousins and former servitors, the Kopru. It should soon be reaching a point where I can unveil it to the world, so= be forewarned! The time of the Kopru is at hand! Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha= hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa= aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:24:06 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] History of Mystaran writing systems] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H=E5vard wrote: > > 2. Antalians and runes? Did they invent them themselves? I noticed recently that the runes from Gaz7: the Northern Reaches are alm= ost identical to the runic alphabet used by the elves of the Sylvan Realm (fr= om module CM7: The Tree of Life). = Also, in Gaz7, it is mentioned that the Sudorn clan possesses elvish bloo= d, which indicates that elves are not unknown in the northern reaches (even = if they are not a significant presence in present times). Dawn of the Empero= rs also mentions that the elves fled northwards from the lands of Thyatis (w= here they arrived from the Sylvan Realm). = It is presumed that they fled to the Darokin plains and grew their great forest there, but perhaps they went to the Northern Reaches region (skirt= ing the Nithian territories) and interacted with the Antalian peoples there. = They were eventually driven out (by Nithians, perhaps, or else by Antalians) a= nd went to Darokin, but the Antalian runic alphabet is a legacy of their passing. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:22 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Karimari] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geoff Gander wrote: > >I'll take off my Raving HHGTTG Fan hat now.... ;-) Yes, but do you know where your towel is? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:49:47 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J Daly asked: > > > *_+ > > Is that a wink and a grin? > Yep. G.P.Dooley rambled on in his usual ad-hominim style, ending with: > > It all depends where you draw the lines to fight over. > Well, since George hasn't said have anything interesting enough to reply to, I'll just move on to answering the question Jenni posed earlier. Please don't get the impression I'm ignoring Paul out of animus, though; I'd be happy to discuss his substantive ideas just like I would anyone elses, as soon as he posts some. At any rate, Jenni asked: > > So I wonder, James, how would you /change/ the Karimari to give them > more accomplishments and make them into a more worthwhile, useful > element in a fantasy campaign world? Maybe you have some ideas I > might find useful. ;-) > (John Calvin shared an interesting idea this moring. Mine will be different, but that's part of the point, right? Perhaps both sorts of ideas will be useful. Of course, mine has a long, rambling introduction:) Well, I guess the first thing to do is go into my own "principles of a good game setting" (my opinion). While some think a good adventure gaming comes from creating utopias to admire, I hold the quite contrary belief that the source of adventure is strife and conflict, not internal harmony and universal concord. Thus, you can roughly classify the utility of a game setting (or nation/region within the entire setting) based upon how well it conforms to that. In the first, most useful and flexable order, comes places that face both external threats and internal discord. It is also best if these places are not so strongly governed as to be able to deal with these difficulties on their own, rendering the PCs superfluous. Norwold as it appeared in the Modules is a prime example of this: Norwold was a relatively new nation, it faced internal discourd not only in the form of rebel traitor scum vassals (Alak Dool et al), but in the form of places that refused to aknowledge its authority (Oceansend et al), but were otherwise potentially friendly, and thus needed to be dealt with diplomatically. It also faced a variety of external threats (Thyatis, Frost Giants, and even its own "overlord," Alphatia, was more a source of difficulties than of solace). And Norwold wasn't, in and of itself, so strong as to be able to dispatch these threats without aid; PCs were to play a significant role. A step down from this might be said to be places evidencing both aspects, but which are strong. The two Empires of Mystara fall into this catagory: each is full of internal disharmony, each faces the significant threat of the other, but both are rather strong. However, PCs can still play an important role, especially as they advance in power and capability themselves, and especially in regard to "adventures" where they face politically motivated difficulties (the machinations of rivals and whatnot). A step further down the rung of FRPG Setting Utility are nations that face one sort of difficulty, but not really the other: these are places that are perhaps internally harmonious, but face external threats (the nation has united, but jellous outsiders are a threat to the New Golden Age). Off the top of my head I can't think of any examples of these at the moment, excepting perhaps the "villianous" nations, which are usually portrayed (if not being that in reality) as unified behind their evil leader, and thus a strong threat to their neighbors (and, in return, facing a strong threat from their neighbors). Then there are those which are so strong and/or isolated that they face no true external difficulties that cannot be easily handled, but are internally discourdant, and so adventures stem from intra-national conflicts. The Floating Continent of Alphatia could be turned into such a place very easily, if people remembered more how Alphatia was in DotE and forgot (at least in part) the concordant monolith it was portrayed as being in later years. They are cut off to a large degree from any external source of adventure impeeding things, but given the nature of Alphatian society as it once was portrayed as being, a vast profusion of internally-generated adventures are possible. Of least utility, then, are places that are internally harmonious while also facing no true external threats: they are either so strong as to be able to sweep such threats asside without difficulty, making the presence of crafty PCs (as opposed to spectator PCs) superfluous, or are so isolated from the outside as to be unlikely to face any such difficulties in the first place, or worst of all both isolated and potent, while being harmonious so that no external threat might find possible allies among factions within the nation. They are united in their goals, being monolithic societies with no internal strains or difficulties, no one disposessed or powerless. Thus these utopias exist to be admired from afar, but it is surpassingly impossible to adventure there, unless the PCs themselves function as the discordant voice - which, if the place is so benign as all this, it is hard to see them doing (though they might if the campaign is one where the PCs are evil, and thus villians). Un-Alphatia is a prime example of this sort of thing. In the past, many, while liking the Floating Continent Alphatia, have also voiced concerns about how hard it is to make the place an interesting one to adventure in. Now we can see why this is the case: why they are, perhaps, more admirable than their DotE forebearers, but worth less as an setting/base for adventures. People running Alphatian characters must leave the new Alphatia to find adventure. With that backdrop set, we can see that the Karimari fall, for good or ill, into this last, most useless of categories. They are internally harmonious, with no noteworthy discord. They are set apart from the rest of the world, which then has no interaction with them. They are so strong that even when the infrequent interaction occurs, it merely serves to demonstrate their absolute supremacy. The "crisis" quickly passes, the foe completely routed or destroyed. As an asside, note that one author was involved in creating both Ulimwengu and in transforming the Alphatians. Now we can return to your question, which was: How does one provide the Karimari with more accomplishments and make them into a more worthwhile, useful element in a fantasy campaign world? We can see that these raise two, somewhat discrete points: 1) Providing the Karimari with accomplishments of their own. 2) Making them more useful as a setting in a fantasy campaign world. Fixing the first without dealing with the second might make them less dispicable, but would not help with the latter, while fixing the second without dealing with the first would make them usefull while still being unlikable. John Calvin provides a good answer, which sort of slays two orcs with one slingstone: they are transformed into potential villians. Thus, it's ok if they are unlikable, and their utility comes from the discord *they* will create, rather than the discourd they will face. And it is thus ok for them to be of great power, because then they are more of a challenge. By the by, Mr. Calvin's suggestion also opens the possiblilty for internal adventure, where the PCs are Karimari: a campaign might revolve around PCs wondering what is happening to the once peace-loving, harmonious Karimari society, which now seems to being twisted towards darkness (though "darkness with a joyous face" perhaps). Karimari PCs would then have to discover the secret source of these problems and find a way to eliminate it over the course of a campaign. So his is definately a good idea. But there will be those who want to keep the Karimari more as they are (as a more-or-less benign place). The first thing to do is to ameliorate their isolation, to at least some degree. This is easily done: simply allow them more contact with Yvaldom. Perhaps when Yav had his people re-settle the Penninsula, as they settled the northern part of the penninsula, contact was made ("Contact has been made" - The Invisible Enemy), and rather than being aloof from it, the Karimari welcomed it, to some degree; a small amount of trade is conducted between Yvaldom and Ulimwengu to this day. Merchants from the northern towns on either shore of the Penninsula might even travel to Ulimwengu on rare occassions. Question: why would the self-sufficient, abundantly wealthy Karimari, who have all they care to have, want to trade? Answer: Changes over recent centuries to the region, making it gradually less fertile (these could be climatic, ecological, whatever: perhaps over the milenia the Karimari have begun to exaust the once-fertile soil of Ulimwengu. Perhaps weather patterns have changed. This latter would also explain why it is that the northern half of the Serpent Penninsula seems to be less well settled than the southern portion). The second thing to do would be to add some accomplishments, to make them less despisable, less decadent seeming (and I'd argue that the Karimari, as described, come off as seeming more decadent than both of the Empires combined). One could do this while still keeping that aspect which many find appealing and admirable: no attempt on the Karimari's part to expand. However, why is it that, having never faced any external threat for milenia, the Karimari are super warriors, to the degree that even the worst Karimari soldiers are better than the best Soderfjord warriors (compare Warmachine stats from the PWAs)? It isn't because the folk of Soderfjord are un-warlike pacifists who never need or want to fight. This can be partially solved by having the Karimari face dangerous invasions at several points in their history: starting, perhaps, with an attempt by Blackmoor to absorb it, then repelling an assault by bands of desperate refugees right after the Great Rain of Fire (this won't make them seem so holy, slaughtering a bunch of desperate refugees, but no one is perfect, and the argument on the Karimari's behalf could be that they feared the refugees would simply despoil their wonderful home, and turn it into ruins like the rest of the world), bands of Traladar colonists crossing the Serpent Penninsula, etc. etc. One can come up with lots of potential incursions. Problem: how to make those incursions truely threatening, given the absolute power of the "Guardian Trees" and their absolute loyalty to the Karimari and their Queen? Solution: consign the latter part of that into the {bovine fecal matter} that it should be, and make the Guardian Trees less omni-potent. Give the Karwanda Mulumba an adjenda of their own, which doesn't always run in line with what the Karimari want, rather than having them be simply servile drones. Thus, the Karimari have to struggle to keep what they've got. Also: places that fight frequently and have war-like societies aren't gifted with such overwhelmingly powerful forces as were given to the Karimari. This pussance makes them hard to incorporate into a campaign, because there's no problem they'd need the aid of the PCs to solve. Their reserves (which come to a total of ~40% of their entire population) are tougher than the regulars of most places (see above). I don't see how everyone in a society would reach 3rd level by lolling around indolently, as the Karimari do. Thus, tone down their forces. Make their regulars all ~3rd level (the Thunder Brigade) and their reserves more normal. The Thunder Brigade will still be powerful, but the Karimari won't be invincible. The next thing to do, for the same reasons as the above, is to introduce some disharmony and discourd into Karimari society. Now, the utopian aspects of the Karimari's "perfect" society is what makes them attractive to some, so the basic outlines should be kept. But changes can be made. 1) Introduce some sort of "masculinist movement" - bands of dudes who think it's time to tear down the matriarchy and create a more egalitarian system of government. They can be either positive or distructive, or both, have good motives but bad methods, or simply be motivated by a greed for power. Whichever. 2) Introduce some corruption into Karimari electorial politics; lots of potential strife can stem from such things, all sorts of adventures. Especially if "terms of office" are short (rather than as "Maximum Leader for Life" as described in the Ulimwengu section); with lots of turn over, and lots of scheming, things get interesting (see also the Shadowrun adventure compilation "Super Tuesday"). Along these lines, make the last election particularly "interesting" - defeated candidate claims to have been robbed, or victorious candidate mysteriously disapeared before (or just after) taking office, making things particularly unsettled. IMO, this is far more interesting than the "debate" over whether or not to send forces to immediately and absolutly crush the Master of Hule's minions or not. Going along these lines, even, the MoH might have somehow infiltrated Karimari society. Perhaps the current monarch of the Karimari is one of his catspaws. This wouldn't be above the Master of Deciet's capabilities, you know. Internal difficulties are also perhaps the best way to "compell" the Karimari to reach out byond their own borders; rather than the "will we deign to aid those poor unfortunates or not," the question becomes "do we open our borders more, become less isolated, seek friendship with others and salvage our prosperity, or do we retain our isolation but see our society dwindle and atrophy as the land grows barren and our culture stagnates further?" The latter, IMO, is a much more interesting question, and also implys a dawning aknowlegement that, while good in many ways, the past attitudes have hurt not just "expendable, uworthy outsiders", but over the long run have hurt the Karimari also. They're not as "enlightened" as they think they are. This also takes them a bit off their pedistal, without altering much of what makes them what they are, but does make them more sympathetic folks. Anyhow, those are some rough ideas, not exaustive by any means. I hope they help. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:36:41 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Karimari In-Reply-To: <200004101651.MAA11962@granger.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, James Ruhland wrote: > A step further down the rung of FRPG Setting Utility are nations that face > one sort of difficulty, but not really the other: these are places that are > perhaps internally harmonious, but face external threats (the nation has > united, but jellous outsiders are a threat to the New Golden Age). Off the > top of my head I can't think of any examples of these at the moment, Five Shires. Internally united, but faces pirates at sea and various raiding monster bands and the Black Eagle baron from the outside. Although the Black Eagle has fallen since the FS gaz came out. > Answer: Changes over recent centuries to the region, making it gradually > less fertile (these could be climatic, ecological, whatever: perhaps over > the milenia the Karimari have begun to exaust the once-fertile soil of > Ulimwengu. Perhaps weather patterns have changed. This latter would also > explain why it is that the northern half of the Serpent Penninsula seems to > be less well settled than the southern portion). > As the peninsula sinks, it could be gradually turning their land too marshy to support their lifestyle. Imagine if their capital began flooding yearly. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:37:11 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Karimari In-Reply-To: <000e01bfa300$33398b80$3f8530d5@gdnw08959> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Paul George Dooley wrote: > > In what significant way would the sudden evaporation of the Karimari have > > any impact on their neighbors? If they just went 'poof' and vanished, how > > would this actually impact anyone else? > > > Perhaps Chandra ul Nerval of Sind would be the best person to ask this of. > Didn't he go there and hide, and then raise an army. Seems by just being > there the Karimari have impacted on both Sind and Hule, or are thousands of > deaths just not important enough for you? > Nope. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:47 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Karimari] Andrew wrote: >Yes, but do you know where your towel is? Yup - still there (whew!). Now then, do *you* know how to get about for less than 30 Altairian dollars per day? :) Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:22:15 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] [Re: [MYSTARA] Karimari]] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geoff Gander wrote: > >Yup - still there (whew!). Now then, do *you* know how to get about for= >less than 30 Altairian dollars per day? :) Aren't Altairian dollars worthless? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:23:46 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Question on Hollow World Maps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Say- I seem to recall reading (in one of the Princess Ark errata sections= , maybe?) that the Hollow World maps are in 48 mile/hex format. Is this cor= rect? Can anyone confirm that that's the case? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:01:11 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In what significant way would the sudden evaporation of the Karimari have > any impact on their neighbors? If they just went 'poof' and vanished, how > would this actually impact anyone else? > well for one there would no longer be a need for the lands to be considered a preserve,and thus they woul become available for settleing,and maybe a new fief. if nothing else it opens up oportunities. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:29:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Karimari] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Yes, but do you know where your towel is? > > > > Yup - still there (whew!). Now then, do *you* know how to get about for > less than 30 Altairian dollars per day? :) > > Geoff Zzonga! mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:25:25 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] [Re: [MYSTARA] Karimari]] Andrew wrote: >Aren't Altairian dollars worthless? Well, yes, but they're still better than holding nenghis (those rubber, triangular coins measuring roughly 9000 miles on a side). At least you can barter an Altairian dollar for a partial share in the Arcturian Megadonkey futures market. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:12 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Despicable Karimari John Calvin wrote: >That got me to thinking...what if that Rock of theirs >(or whatever it is, a rock or tree, I can't remember >now) is not what we are led to believe it is. Nobody >gets something for nothing after all, so I propose >that it may be fun to make the Karimari Rock (or >whatever) into an extension of (drum-roll) the Outer >Beings.... Then, while we could say that >the Karimari have done nothing (in a purely physical >sense) to gain their various benifits, we could say >that they must have surely sold their souls wicked laugh>. :-) Now this is a nice little idea. Imagine if you will an ancient Carnifex city sitting somewhere on the old Serpent Peninsula, whose evil artifacts called out to the weak-willed, or the ambitious. Fast forward to the aftermath of the Great Rain of Fire. The early Karimari have repelled Blackmoorian refugees (as per James' idea), but the ecological changes still pose a threat to them. Some sages turn to the strange monoliths and other artifacts found by their ancestors so long ago, which have stood largely undisturbed since that time. Surely, if these items have lasted this long, they reason, perhaps they contain some sort of protective powers which might be harnessed? After years of study, while the Karimari slowly lose ground to their neighbours, the secret is revealed! By performing the right incantations (supplied generously by observing OBs, deeming that the time was right to do so), the Karimari wizards and clerics are able to contact the great intelligences (Immortals?, they wonder) who created the artifacts, and in exchange for their "willingness and acceptance" (strange things to demand, thought the Karimari, but a worthy price nonetheless), they would teach the humans the means by which they could safeguard their homes. So the deal was made, and the guardian trees grew tall and strong (and always seemed to be more than a little "willful" after that time), and those invaders caught within the karimari territory were consumed by "great, shadowy spirits, whose forms were uncertain". Since that time, peace has reigned in Ulimwengu. There are those, though, who wonder what exactly those wizards and clerics of so long ago had promised to those strange beings, who told them (and as was inscribed on the Pillar of Omba): "As was promised, so shall be taken When the time is right. As was promised, shall all be given To us, who shall return." Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:26:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry and a question about DotE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul George Dooley ha scritto: > > I'm wondering a bit about your source for the Alphatian symbol, though. I > thought Alphatia's symbol was that peculiar winged-bull-with-a-human-head > thing on the cover of the Player's Guide to Alphatia in DOTE > > The Shedu you mean. > BTW how many other people have the interiors of both players guides printed > on wrong paper? > Interior of mine has Alphatia printed on paper for Thyatis and vice versa. > Was it the entire print run, or just some of us? Mine is reversed. Probably the whole damn problem was the Alphatian's fault. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:31:33 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thibault sarlat ha scritto: > i have them too, but what i meant was if you could invent the maps of towns > not already depicted (ex: Selenica). Is Corunglain already depicted? Is PORT LUCINIUS? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:40:25 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:31:33 +0200 Caroletti writes: > thibault sarlat ha scritto: > > > i have them too, but what i meant was if you could invent the maps > of towns > > not already depicted (ex: Selenica). > > Is Corunglain already depicted? > Is PORT LUCINIUS? Not that I know of. Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:39:01 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:49:47 -0500 James Ruhland writes: > Well, I guess the first thing to do is go into my own "principles of > a good > game setting" (my opinion). Bravo, James! These are excellent ideas. Almost enoughforme to use Karimari in my campaign other than as a brief mention of how 10,000 crack Hulean troops slaughtered them after the Master blew that big rock of their's sky high... :) Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:42:25 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In any case, James' comments about the Karimari remind me of a passage from > Douglas Adams. I can't remember the precise quote, so the following is a > complete paraphrase. It had something to do with a superior culture that > was destroyed by everyone else because, "no one likes a smart ass." An ancient Greek politician of Athen, Aristides, was exiled through ostracism (i.e.: if enough people voted for your exile, you were exiled). Aristides was a fellow renowned for his political capacities, skills, and moral superiority, honesty and virtue. It is said that, before his exile, he was walking through Athen when a man asked him help to write the name of a certain "Aristides" on his piece of ostrakon, where the votes for the exile were written...because he couldn't write. So Aristides said: "I'll help you if you tell me what he has done to deserve this" "Well, I don't know him personally, but I'm sick of hearing people saying how honest, good and skillful he is." Aristides took the ostrakon and wrote his own name. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:53:34 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: [[MYSTARA] Despicable Karimari] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > it too much here, save to mention that in it, I am positing a relationship > between the Karimari and the Carnifex- not directly, but through the Carnifex' > distant cousins and former servitors, the Kopru. > > It should soon be reaching a point where I can unveil it to the world, so be > forewarned! The time of the Kopru is at hand! Weeelll, very well...as the Lorekeeper of the Dark Portal, I hope to receive news from you soon, so Our Masters' lore can be put in the rightful place they deserve... long live the Outer Beings... IA! IA! SHUB-NIGGURATH!! The Lorekeeper of the Dark Portal The Outer Beings Home Page www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/3107/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:02:03 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Giovanni Porpora Subject: R: [MYSTARA] Alternate Haven timeline (was Haven/Gullavia) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like your idea, a couple of questions : > 858 AC Haven is one of the founding Principalities of Glantri What about of having the Barony of Gulluvia enfeoffed somewhen between 828 and 858? It shouldn't be difficult to find political support for it. Ok it was just one :) Bye Giovanni ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:03:45 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Giovanni Porpora Subject: R: Re: [MYSTARA] Lathan's Gold MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Is it something that could easily be converted to a 'group' adventure > > (3 or 4 characters max.), or does it really only work as a solo? If the > > former, I might consider picking it up too ... though it also depends on > > the actual level. > However, the adventure really great, as it hasn't enough detph in most > locations/encounters. It will be good as a frame for other adventures in > the Sea of Dread, for example for the travel to the Isle of Dread in X1. > It gives a fair amount of background for some marine encounter, but > little more, IMHO. I DMed X1 with Lathan's Gold (LG), some ... a LOT of years ago. I used most of the isles and descriptions in LG as part of brief encounters and/or to have a more detailed trip from and to the Isle of Dread. I used the "Baron von Hendricks kidnapped my sister" plot described in LG as a side adventure. Also I added some short adventures in a couple of islands. Actually I'm not able to remember more, you know I'm getting senile. Imho if you've already a collection of adventures it wouldn't be difficult to add depth to LG. Bye Giovanni ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:05:13 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Giovanni Porpora Subject: R: [MYSTARA] TOMES modules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just wondering, has anyone found a Mystaran use for the various "Tomes" > adventures, i.e. Tomb Of Horrors II, Rod Of Seven Parts, etc.? I was > considering getting some of them, but I'm not sure whether they are just > fluff or really useful. Thanks for any of your input. 1) The Rod of the Seven Parts I finished DMing Rod of Seven Parts a couple of years ago. Imho the adventure itself is a good one and I found it well balanced for my playing group, with more role-playing than hack-n-slash. It was useful as a mean to have my PCs travelling Mystara. However prepare yourself to do a lot of work to adapt it in Mystara, I had to work quite a lot. Imho, it is best run as a long time campaign, thus meaning that you have to provide some side adventures and that a lot of countries will probably get involved in it. Imho it's not so much useful to detail exactly in which Country each segment of the Rod lies, since it depends on you and your group. However I don't want to spoil the Tome, if you wish more details e-mail me personally at gporpo@tin.it I'm more than willing to assist you. Bye Giovanni ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:06:50 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Random Gibberish Praising the OBs (was: Re: [MYSTARA] [[MYSTARA] Despicable Karimari]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:53:34 +0200 Caroletti writes: > > > > it too much here, save to mention that in it, I am positing a > relationship > > between the Karimari and the Carnifex- not directly, but through > the Carnifex' > > distant cousins and former servitors, the Kopru. > > > > It should soon be reaching a point where I can unveil it to the > world, so be > > forewarned! The time of the Kopru is at hand! > > Weeelll, very well...as the Lorekeeper of the Dark Portal, I > hope to receive news from you soon, so Our Masters' > lore can be put in the rightful place they deserve... > long live the Outer Beings... > IA! IA! SHUB-NIGGURATH!! All hail the black goat of the woods with a thousand young! Cthulu ftaghn! Ia! Ahlrugh Yoch-Tlesh! Nagbrecht Yurrgh-Thal! Hensha Rosheg-Kha! Bow before the might of the true Masters of all creation! Down with the Old Ones! All praise the Outer Beings! "And truely did the assembled sages fear, as another of their ranks openly acknowledged his alleigance to dark powers that assualted the known universe. And, ye, they despaired, as they were forced the gaze upon the dark visage Intros-Brek of the Gibbering Mouths. They shrank back as blasphemous phrases poured out of the thousands of mouthes. And, truely, it seemed as though the darkness was certain to prevail." -The Collected Annals of the Mystara Mystic League Aaron Nowack (High Priest, Blasphemous Temple of Numth'kul- Alabama Branch) "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:01:35 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: Re: worldwide editions of D&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I was reffering to Andr's question about modules in Hebrew. -----Original Message----- From: thibault sarlat [SMTP:thibsylv@CLUB-INTERNET.FR] Sent: =E5 =E0=F4=F8=E9=EC 07 2000 13:58 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] worldwide editions of D&D you mean in english?B modules in english? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:16:38 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Question on Hollow World Maps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i don't know if they are but if so , i am not going to like it... It's really difficult to convert to a 8miles per hex format. Andrew Theisen a �crit: > Say- I seem to recall reading (in one of the Princess Ark errata sections, > maybe?) that the Hollow World maps are in 48 mile/hex format. Is this correct? > Can anyone confirm that that's the case? > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:23:43 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Maps! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i don't recall having seen anything canon about Port Lucinius or Corunglain.They are still up to grasp for would be town mappers.... (not me , not for the moment). Caroletti a �crit: > thibault sarlat ha scritto: > > > i have them too, but what i meant was if you could invent the maps of towns > > not already depicted (ex: Selenica). > > Is Corunglain already depicted? > Is PORT LUCINIUS? > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:37:13 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Magister Mystaros Subject: Re: Question on Hollow World Maps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/00 1:24:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cthulhudrew@USA.NET writes: << Say- I seem to recall reading (in one of the Princess Ark errata sections, maybe?) that the Hollow World maps are in 48 mile/hex format. Is this correct? Can anyone confirm that that's the case? >> I'm pretty sure the hexes of the HW main map are supposed to be 40 miles per hex. James A. Mishler Magister Mystaros Check out my website: www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/1437/index.html ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:41:16 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Question on Hollow World Maps] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Magister Mystaros wrote: > >I'm pretty sure the hexes of the HW main map are supposed to be 40 miles= >per hex. 40 miles/hex? WTF???? = Ah, heck... I guess it still converts fairly well. At least it's a multip= le of 8... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:43:17 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Question on Hollow World Maps] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thibault sarlat wrote: >i don't know if they are but if so , i am not going to like it... >It's really difficult to convert to a 8miles per hex format. Actually, the 48 mi to 8 mi isn't so bad; I just did it myself last night= =2E = Unfortunately, it looks like I'm going to have to go and change it to 40 = mi to 8 mi... arrgghhh! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:35:59 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: Re: Mystaran Heraldry- picture of Shedu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I'm wondering a bit about your source for the Alphatian symbol, though. = I thought Alphatia's symbol was that peculiar = winged-bull-with-a-human-head thing on the cover of the Player's Guide = to Alphatia in DOTE? Don't get me wrong - I actually like your = 'sun-like' symbol more, I just wonder where it came from (the bull-thing = always seemed, well, odd to me - what association does Alphatia have to = that creature, whatever it is?). > The creature is a Shedu (or possibly a sphinx). The Shedus are creatures = from the sphere of energy who are sacred to Ixion (Idu). These were the = inspration for the Enduk race.=20 According to Mystaros histories though, the Shedus, Endukes and lots of = similar creatures are the results of the magic of the Serpentine Empire. >Looking forward to seeing more in the future (please!)... ;) Me too. Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "Deep into the farness, peering=20 long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;" The Raven/ Edgar Allan Poe Visit the dark prince of Boldavia at- = http://www.geocities.com/morphail_o/ =20 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:58:10 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Anyway -- Does this history seem to hold together so far? Does anyone have any comments for correcting or supplementing what I have written so far? Just a few.=20 Written language from different periods looks different because of the = way it was writen. The first languages (including Hebrew, which written form has been = iunchanged to this day), were written from right to left (hebrew still = is). This is because it was written (at first) on clay tablets using a = chisel and a stake. Languages who developed a written form when scrolls = and ink were already invented, switched to left->right in order to not = smear what is writen. The Phinicians had a clearly 'stake' based writing (its actualy called = 'stakes writing').=20 What was the form the Planar Spiders wrote? If they used a web based = system, I guess their writing would be really wierd to human eyes. About Hebrew-like letters developing into Arabic-like letters. I can't = see that happening. Maybe to forign ears Hebrew and Arabic have a similar sound, but the = written languages are very different. Hebrew is written in squarish letters (like Latin and Cirylic letters) = as opposed to Arabic, which letters are conected to form round long = lines with lots of curves and decorations. I don't know this for sure, but I think the Hebrew wrting as well as the = Greek developed from Phynician while Arabic developed from another surce = (maybe Indian or Persian?). Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "Deep into the farness, peering=20 long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;" The Raven/ Edgar Allan Poe Visit the dark prince of Boldavia at- = http://www.geocities.com/morphail_o/ =20 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:08:58 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take it outside! (BTW you are wrong) -----Original Message----- From: jdaly [SMTP:jdaly@FRIEND.LY.NET] Sent: =E1 =E0=F4=F8=E9=EC 10 2000 3:46 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Champions ofMystara Whoa! Wait a minute! Not wanting to send people's children off to die = in someone else's war is hardly a bad thing. And the attack on Pearl = Harbor was about far more than pride. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul George Dooley To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Champions ofMystara > > That's quite a negative view of 'reality.' Many people give a damn about > > things that affect others - look at all the protests vs. apartheid = in the > > 80s, for instance, which did not in any way affect Americans, for > > instance. > > Unusual choice since it pretty much was an isolationist stance that = the > Americans had in the 30's. Took someone actually wounding their = national > pride, and a president who's complicity in said action is coming to = light, > to shake the apathy out of most of them. > The appeasement of Germany by Britain et al is another of those truly > Karimari moments too. > > After this Email privately please as don't want to clog up the list = with an > Off topic debate > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: = http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: = http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:56:15 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, I happened to write a quite long paper on history of writing, including Egyptian, Hebrew, Phoenician and other Oriental writings. I'm not writing about it now, as it can grow out of topic, but I can post or mail privately some details or facts if any of you finds it interesting for M-inspiration; just a couple of facts: 1. Indeed Arabic does not come from Hebrew, they both spring from an older alphabet of the area, used from Syria into the Arabic desert and including Israel during part of the 1st millenium BC. I have used this idea for the Arabic-like writing of the Ylari peoples: they took writing forms from Alphatian colonists and adapted them themselves. 2. Our alphabet is a derivation of the Phoenician one, coming through Greek, perhaps Thyatis as a colony adapted Alphatian writing too, only in a different way... 3. Old Alphatian (I love the article on the alphabet in the Tome of Mystara) could be, as hinted in the article, hieroglyphic, by making a 1000s more number of signs from a limited set of base characters. Something which happens in Old Assirian and Sumerian. Imagining that for Old Alphatian and a simplified version (similar to the Phoenician alphabet) for Modern Alphatian would make sense. 4. So, as most human languages in the continental Old World are Thyatian dialects, all those alphabets come from Alphatia as ours come from Oriental ones in RW. Only Antalian runes, Nithian, Old Traldar, Oltec, Azcan, get out of the equation, more or less same ones than in RW. 5. That's also a cute discrete way for the Spell of Oblivion to work... Ylari people, through keeping their mixed Nithian/Neathar language, would forget once and for all Nithian glyphs, that would favour and be favoured by their usage of the New Alphatian script. Well, just some ideas, I think that using RW alphabets can be quite nifty for improvising player handouts and illustrations of monuments... well, you can always invent your own, but i only do that for demi-humans and other non-earthy cultures, it would be a bit striking piling RW familiar architecture and institutions and suddenly have an alien script, but perhaps it's just my job slipping into my gaming... Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:56:01 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue In-Reply-To: <200004080704.DAA75761@smtp.uky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I understand the 1986 Creature Catalogue lists 200 monsters, 90 of them new. This accurate? What does this product have that the DM sections of the Basic/Expert/Companion DM guides or the Mystara Monster Manual do not? How detailed is this publication? How much would you pay for a good condition one? thoughts? -0 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:44:03 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-10 8:56:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, au998@FREENET.CARLETON.CA writes: << I believe that was the scene in HHGTTG where the Guide discusses the creator of the Infinite Improbability Drive, in that he succeeded where everyone failed (cleaning up after the party in the lab, and, in toying with the equipment, makes the discovery that no one else could). He won all sorts of accolades, and was promptly lynched, to which the story ended by saying "no one likes a smartass." I'll take off my Raving HHGTTG Fan hat now.... ;-) >> As I recall, he was lynched by a "rampaging mob of respectable physicists" -- I love that turn of phrase! Those same respectable physicists detested the application of the finite improbability drive to dislocating the dress of a party hostess a couple of feet away from the hostess for two reasons: 1) It was a debasement of science, and 2) (perhaps more importantly) They were never invited to those parties. But to bring this back on-topic: Have you noticed that for Mystarans, serving Immortals is a bad idea? People like the Karimari and the Alphatians who mostly ignore the Immortals fare a lot better than folks who are more religious. Peoples who serve a single Immortal become targets for every enemy of their patron Immortal, and people like the Thyatians who try to cover all their bases by revering as many Immortals as possible get clobbered when each Immortal uses them as a pawn against their rivals. It seems that the real key to survival and success on Mystara is "Lay low and hope the Immortals don't notice you"! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:44:05 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-10 10:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO writes: << 1. Blackmoor probably had forms of writing. 2. Antalians and runes? Did they invent them themselves? >> IIRC, the real-world runes are indirectly descended from the Greek alphabet, which on Mystara is equivalent to the one used by the Mystarans. I had the Alphatians colonize Atlantis on Laterre, and the Atlanteans in turn managed to visit the Neathar ancestors of the Thonians and teach their writing system to them. Over the centuries the Thonians developed their own runic alphabet, which they passed on to the Blackmoorians (a branch of the Thonians, as I recall). These runes were used by a variety of peoples after the Great Rain of Fire, including the Antalians, the dwarves, and apparently the elves as well. Of course, Andrew Theisen's idea that the Antalians might have learned the runes from the elves has some merit -- maybe the elves learned them from the dwarves and in turn passed them to the Antalians. << 3. You mention the cyrillic and greek alphabets. Weren't they originally the same? I seem to recall something about the cyrillic alphabet being derived from the writings of two greek monks.... >> Yes, the Cyrillic alphabet was derived from the Greek alphabet. I represented that in my history by having the Thyatians develop an intermediate form that is the current "common" alphabet (a form intermediate between the Greek and Cyrillic alphabets), and from that the Traladarans developed their own alphabet which would be represented by a pure Cyrillic alphabet. In a message dated 2000-04-10 7:57:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anpro@ACCESOCERO.ES writes: << well, I happened to write a quite long paper on history of writing, including Egyptian, Hebrew, Phoenician and other Oriental writings. I'm not writing about it now, as it can grow out of topic, but I can post or mail privately some details or facts if any of you finds it interesting for M-inspiration; just a couple of facts: 1. Indeed Arabic does not come from Hebrew, they both spring from an older alphabet of the area, used from Syria into the Arabic desert and including Israel during part of the 1st millenium BC. I have used this idea for the Arabic-like writing of the Ylari peoples: they took writing forms from Alphatian colonists and adapted them themselves. >> Okay, that seems to be my biggest mistake so far. I would assume that the Phoenician alphabet represents the "original" planar spider alphabet, and that the Herathians developed it into a Hebrew-like form many centuries after their arrival on Mystara -- or, better yet, they still use the Phoenician letters, which leaves the authentic Hebrew alphabet available for cabalic writings from Laterre. Then the Huleans could have adapted the original Herathian/planar spider alphabet into their own script that resembles Arabic, and from there it could spread without problem. << 2. Our alphabet is a derivation of the Phoenician one, coming through Greek, perhaps Thyatis as a colony adapted Alphatian writing too, only in a different way... >> That is the way I figured it. Given the elements of Greek culture in Thyatis, it seems obvious that their writing system must be mostly Greek in origin -- and thus it would strongly resemble (and ultimately be derived from) that of their hated Alphatian foes. << 3. Old Alphatian (I love the article on the alphabet in the Tome of Mystara) could be, as hinted in the article, hieroglyphic, by making a 1000s more number of signs from a limited set of base characters. Something which happens in Old Assirian and Sumerian. Imagining that for Old Alphatian and a simplified version (similar to the Phoenician alphabet) for Modern Alphatian would make sense. >> Yes, I was certainly assuming that only the simplified version was passed on to other cultures. << 4. So, as most human languages in the continental Old World are Thyatian dialects, all those alphabets come from Alphatia as ours come from Oriental ones in RW. Only Antalian runes, Nithian, Old Traldar, Oltec, Azcan, get out of the equation, more or less same ones than in RW. 5. That's also a cute discrete way for the Spell of Oblivion to work... Ylari people, through keeping their mixed Nithian/Neathar language, would forget once and for all Nithian glyphs, that would favour and be favoured by their usage of the New Alphatian script. >> We are certainly on the same page with these points. << Well, just some ideas, I think that using RW alphabets can be quite nifty for improvising player handouts and illustrations of monuments... well, you can always invent your own, but i only do that for demi-humans and other non-earthy cultures, it would be a bit striking piling RW familiar architecture and institutions and suddenly have an alien script, but perhaps it's just my job slipping into my gaming... >> I figured that a hybrid of the Greek and Cyrillic alphabets would give about the right degree of comprehensibility to players in my personal campaign. Between the fact that my players were well educated and the supposition that their characters were for the most part semi-literate, such a writing system would give most player characters the same degree of literacy that seems to have been present among most citizens of ancient Rome. The mixture of familiar and unfamiliar letters would have them struggle a bit, but they could make out most writing. This would work about right for a society where one scholar was held in awe because he could read a scroll without moving his lips! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:06:30 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another point that should be kept in mind is the importance of denying player characters the opportunity of comparing too many Laterran alphabets with their Mystaran counterparts. In my revised scheme only three alphabets can survive close scrutiny: Greek: Invented by the Alphatians, passed on by them to the Atlanteans and from them to the Greeks. Latin: Derived on Laterre from the Greek alphabet; used on Mystara only by Laterran expatriates. Hebrew: If Herath retains the old Phoenician alphabet and then adopts the Greek/Cyrillic alphabet after the supposed extinction of the aranea, then the Hebrew alphabet would be limited to Laterre and would be passed on to Mystarans only in very rare arcane writings. However, every other real world alphabet would have a dual origin that is not easily explained. Fortunately, the only Laterran cultures with extensive contact with Mystara used the Latin alphabet in everyday usage and the Greek and to a lesser extent Hebrew alphabets in arcane manuscripts. We need only posit that the Arab Muslims never made contact with Western Europe on Laterre (perhaps via a variant of Harry Turtledove's "Agent of Byzantium" alternate history) to keep the Arab alphabet from getting into western European hands. The Anglo-Scandinavian runes can be assumed to have been suppressed centuries before the Laterrans made contact with the Glantrians. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:25:21 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Greek: Invented by the Alphatians, passed on by them to the Atlanteans > and from them to the Greeks. > Of course you mean that it was invented by the Milenians, and passed on from there. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:42:51 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-11 1:29:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jruhlconob@SPRYNET.COM writes: << > > Greek: Invented by the Alphatians, passed on by them to the Atlanteans > and from them to the Greeks. > Of course you mean that it was invented by the Milenians, and passed on from there. >> No, I was referring to the Greeks of Laterre. In my scheme the Milenians somehow picked up the Alphatian writing system and applied it unchanged to their own language. The dates just don't work out for the Greek/Alphatian alphabet to have been a Milenian invention. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:15:47 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages with a common origin. To further complicate things Hebrew was the language of the temple, and was not in general use. The common language was Aramiac, which uses the same lettering system as ancient Hebrew, but is different in many ways. Modern Hebrew is significantly different than ancient Hebrew. The Semitic languages comprise two main elements: Western and eastern. The western languages have a northwestern group (consisting of Ugaritic, Canaanite-Phoenician, Hebrew, and Aramaic) and a southwestern group (with the various dialects of Ethiopic, and the dialects of Arabic). The estern group is composed of Assyrian and Babylonian. George ----- Original Message ----- From: ���� ��� To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] History of Mystaran writing systems >Anyway -- Does this history seem to hold together so far? Does anyone have any comments for correcting or supplementing what I have written so far? Just a few. Written language from different periods looks different because of the way it was writen. The first languages (including Hebrew, which written form has been iunchanged to this day), were written from right to left (hebrew still is). This is because it was written (at first) on clay tablets using a chisel and a stake. Languages who developed a written form when scrolls and ink were already invented, switched to left->right in order to not smear what is writen. The Phinicians had a clearly 'stake' based writing (its actualy called 'stakes writing'). What was the form the Planar Spiders wrote? If they used a web based system, I guess their writing would be really wierd to human eyes. About Hebrew-like letters developing into Arabic-like letters. I can't see that happening. Maybe to forign ears Hebrew and Arabic have a similar sound, but the written languages are very different. Hebrew is written in squarish letters (like Latin and Cirylic letters) as opposed to Arabic, which letters are conected to form round long lines with lots of curves and decorations. I don't know this for sure, but I think the Hebrew wrting as well as the Greek developed from Phynician while Arabic developed from another surce (maybe Indian or Persian?). Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "Deep into the farness, peering long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;" The Raven/ Edgar Allan Poe Visit the dark prince of Boldavia at- http://www.geocities.com/morphail_o/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:46:08 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000410235108.009bd200@pop.uky.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Oliver wrote: > I understand the 1986 Creature Catalogue lists 200 monsters, 90 of them > new. This accurate? New as in most of them had been published in various modules, but were never part of the rule books/boxes. > What does this product have that the DM sections of the > Basic/Expert/Companion DM guides or the Mystara Monster Manual do not? How > detailed is this publication? The Mystara Monster Manual covers most of the same material as the old creature catalogue with one or two exceptions. > How much would you pay for a good condition one? If you have the Mystara Monster Manual already you dont really need it... Ofcourse, if you want to be one of the gurus in here you have to have it. ;) H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:42:14 IDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: Creature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I seem to remember a creature called a feyhound or a faery hound or some such. Does anyone have the stats&description? -- Eyal ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:27:52 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Ostland (and recent posts) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geez, you're gone for a few weeks, the List Ogre retires into his Den of = Iniquity, and people start calling each other names because of (of all = things) the Karimari! Please people; flame each other off-list... I've been on a short vacation, and haven't had time to work on my = description of the Ostland domains, but I should be back with more this = week (hopefully). Next up is Suddmore, Yrsa Svalasdottir's mean sister, = and a foul Alphatian plot (HI! to Captain Scaevola and the Stalker!). Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:19:17 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> What does this product have that the DM sections of the >> Basic/Expert/Companion DM guides or the Mystara Monster Manual do = not? How >> detailed is this publication? >=20 > The Mystara Monster Manual covers most of the same material as the old > creature catalogue with one or two exceptions. Actually the Creature Catalogue contains quite a few monsters that don't = appear in the Mystara Monstrous Compendium Appendix. But it's true that = if you've got all the old adventure modules you've probably got most of = them anyway. Those that appear in the MMCA are better detailed though. =20 >> How much would you pay for a good condition one? >=20 > If you have the Mystara Monster Manual already you dont really need = it... > Ofcourse, if you want to be one of the gurus in here you have to have = it. > ;) You could also want it for alternative illustrations of the monsters. = Even if they're not great, they are certainly functional, and the more = illustrations you see, the better you're able to visualize them in your = games. I saw a good copy going for about $12 (IIRC) in a gaming store = recently. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:49:25 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Wallace Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I paid $10 for mine. I don't have the boxed sets (I use the RC,) but most, if not all, off the creatures are new. I do not have the Mystara Monsterous Manual, so I can't comment on that. Also, I am not sure what the date of publication is, but it is part of the "Challenger Series" and has an orange cover. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Oliver To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:06 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue >I understand the 1986 Creature Catalogue lists 200 monsters, 90 of them >new. This accurate? > >What does this product have that the DM sections of the >Basic/Expert/Companion DM guides or the Mystara Monster Manual do not? How >detailed is this publication? > >How much would you pay for a good condition one? > >thoughts? >-0 > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:04:11 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Creature In-Reply-To: <20000411094214.86375.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Eyal Fleminger wrote: > I seem to remember a creature called a feyhound or a faery hound or some > such. Does anyone have the stats&description? I think there is such a creature in the second edition of the Creature Catalogue. I dont have it with me now though... H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:08:18 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Ostland (and recent posts) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacob Skytte ha scritto: > Geez, you're gone for a few weeks, the List Ogre retires into his Den of Iniquity, and people start calling each other names because of (of all things) the Karimari! Please people; flame each other off-list... > Yeah, it's not good to see each other squabbling. > I've been on a short vacation, and haven't had time to work on my description of the Ostland domains, but I should be back with more this week (hopefully). Next up is Suddmore, Yrsa Svalasdottir's mean sister, and a foul Alphatian plot (HI! to Captain Scaevola and the Stalker!). > > Jacob Skytte > scythe@wanadoo.dk Good! Looking forward to them!!! Iulius, the Good Captain XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:10:43 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Random Gibberish Praising the OBs (was: Re: [MYSTARA][[MYSTARA]Despicable Karimari]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron E Nowack ha scritto: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:53:34 +0200 Caroletti writes: > > > > > > it too much here, save to mention that in it, I am positing a > > relationship > > > between the Karimari and the Carnifex- not directly, but through > > the Carnifex' > > > distant cousins and former servitors, the Kopru. > > > > > > It should soon be reaching a point where I can unveil it to the > > world, so be > > > forewarned! The time of the Kopru is at hand! > > > > Weeelll, very well...as the Lorekeeper of the Dark Portal, I > > hope to receive news from you soon, so Our Masters' > > lore can be put in the rightful place they deserve... > > long live the Outer Beings... > > IA! IA! SHUB-NIGGURATH!! > > All hail the black goat of the woods with a thousand young! > > Cthulu ftaghn! > > Ia! Ahlrugh Yoch-Tlesh! Nagbrecht Yurrgh-Thal! Hensha Rosheg-Kha! > > Bow before the might of the true Masters of all creation! Down with the > Old Ones! All praise the Outer Beings! > > "And truely did the assembled sages fear, as another of their ranks > openly acknowledged his alleigance to dark powers that assualted the > known universe. And, ye, they despaired, as they were forced the gaze > upon the dark visage Intros-Brek of the Gibbering Mouths. They shrank > back as blasphemous phrases poured out of the thousands of mouthes. And, > truely, it seemed as though the darkness was certain to prevail." > -The Collected Annals of the Mystara Mystic League > > Aaron Nowack (High > Priest, Blasphemous Temple of Numth'kul- Alabama Branch) > "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." Interested to help spreading news about the OB's, and enlarge the ranks of their worshippers? the Lorekeeper of the Dark Portal ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:09:14 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Random Gibberish Praising the OBs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Interested to help spreading news about the OB's, and enlarge the > ranks of their worshippers? > Yep - I can see it now. Next thing that happens, you guys will shave your heads, put on saffron robes, and start handing out leaflets at Alphatian skyship yards. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:53:56 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Leroy Van Camp III Subject: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Over the last week or so since I posted my announcement I have received a flood of e-mail, both personally and on the list, filled with kind words and positive feedback, all of which is appreciated. But, there is an underlying concern to many of the messages I have received in personal e-mail (and a few on the list), and that message is a fear that this turn of events may end up a negative one. Many people have said that they are on other mailing lists, most of them hosted by Wizards, and they dislike the way some of those lists tend to be run. They have said they really like the way I run the MML, and that they worry that there is a chance that once I leave the MML may become more like them. While I am flattered by such comments (and feel I am given more credit than I deserve), I do understand these fears. I am on other mailing lists where I tend to dislike how they are run. Unfortunately, things cannot continue on their present course. Simply rescinding my planned resignation, and going on as normal, is not an option. It is in the best interest of neither myself nor the list. Something needs to change. Since my announcement, though, I have been mulling over an alternative to my resignation: monitors. How it would work is simple: I would choose several people, likely three, whose job will primarily be to watch all posts for list violations, such as flames, copyright violation, and so on, and to take care of such problems. I would continue on with the technical side, as well as supporting and backing the monitors. The end result is, theoretically, a well run list with the work spread out over several people. The thing about monitors is that sometimes they work out great, and sometimes they don't. I am on other lists with monitors, and some work great. I can think of at least one, though, that seems rather cliquish, in ways I find annoying. So, I am presenting this idea to the list for discussion. If the list feels having monitors isn't the way to go, and would prefer a single person overseeing things, we'll go ahead with the elections. If the list seems to find the idea of monitors acceptable, I will run with the idea. I'll pick some volunteers and we'll give it a test run. If, after a period of time (six months or so), it doesn't seem to be working I will step down and we'll precede with the election. If it works, we'll continue on. Give it some thought and debate. Don't be afraid to voice your opinion. If it seems there is no clear majority, a quick vote will be taken. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@uswest.net http://www.users.uswest.net/~malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html ICQ #20039817 "My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. What the heck. Had a couple myself." Earl, Red Meat ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:06:01 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Random Gibberish Praising the OBs James wrote: >Yep - I can see it now. > Next thing that happens, you guys will shave your heads, put on saffron >robes, and start handing out leaflets at Alphatian skyship yards. Damn! He saw through our plan! Today, annoying Alphatian skyship travellers; tomorrow, door-to-door proselytising! **** *knock knock* *opening of door* Alphatian homeowner: Yes? OB cultist: Good afternoon! Could I take a few moments of your time to tell you about the wonderful events which shall soon happen, which will no doubt change your life? (aside, in guttural, menacing voice) And which will scatter your people to the winds and bring darkness to the land... Alphatian: Ummmmmm...okay. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:17:12 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I vote for monitors and you! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:46:01 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue In-Reply-To: Michael Wallace's message of "Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:49:25 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Michael Wallace writes: > I do not have the Mystara Monsterous Manual, so I can't comment on > that. Also, I am not sure what the date of publication is, but it > is part of the "Challenger Series" and has an orange cover. That's the 1993 edition, spelled "Creature Catalog". Has some new monsters, lacks some old ones, and they're all moved around. I haven't compared them side-by-side in a while, but they're mostly the same, I think. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 214 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes, 52 seconds till we run away. Is a person who blows up banks an econoclast? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:27:26 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: An Alternative to My Demise In-Reply-To: <07e401bfa3b4$ff8af200$7af1e33f@thedeadlands> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Even though I didnt respond to the first email, I think you have done a really good job with this list, Leroy. The monitors option sounds like a good one. There are lots of nice reliable people on this list, so finding good candidates for monitors shouldnt be hard. Ofcourse, from experiences elsewhere on the net, I know that power seems to corrupt people, even here. Problems may arise, but it should be possible to handle these. Since I haven't seen anyone volunteering for taking over the list, my vote goes for the monitors option. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:41:32 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally I think the monitor idea is workable. After all, with you still having an active role, cliques will find it very hard to exist. We would also have the answer to that old chestnut., "Quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?". For, in this case, it would be none other than our own beloved Admin. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:53:15 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise In-Reply-To: <07e401bfa3b4$ff8af200$7af1e33f@thedeadlands>; from malacoda@USWEST.NET on Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 06:53:56AM -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 06:53:56AM -0600, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > > Give it some thought and debate. Don't be afraid to voice your > opinion. If it seems there is no clear majority, a quick vote will > be taken. I'm only on one other list with monitors, but it does seem to work very well. The monitors hold diverse enough opinions that the clique doesn't really form. I'd say give it a shot. Gridsec here we come... gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:05:21 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One way to NOT start a flame, is to insult someone's country. One way to NOT stop the thread, is to keep it going. And by the way, I'm right. ----- Original Message ----- From: ���� ��� To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Champions ofMystara Take it outside! (BTW you are wrong) -----Original Message----- From: jdaly [SMTP:jdaly@FRIEND.LY.NET] Sent: � ����� 10 2000 3:46 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Champions ofMystara Whoa! Wait a minute! Not wanting to send people's children off to die in someone else's war is hardly a bad thing. And the attack on Pearl Harbor was about far more than pride. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul George Dooley To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Champions ofMystara > > That's quite a negative view of 'reality.' Many people give a damn about > > things that affect others - look at all the protests vs. apartheid in the > > 80s, for instance, which did not in any way affect Americans, for > > instance. > > Unusual choice since it pretty much was an isolationist stance that the > Americans had in the 30's. Took someone actually wounding their national > pride, and a president who's complicity in said action is coming to light, > to shake the apathy out of most of them. > The appeasement of Germany by Britain et al is another of those truly > Karimari moments too. > > After this Email privately please as don't want to clog up the list with an > Off topic debate > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:10:39 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to be the monarchist here, but I would prefer seeing one list admin. I see the potential of cliques and powertrips being a little too high. I don't mind one ogrish admin. One good ogrish admin will be tough enough to pick, three might be pushing it. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:39:38 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Gridsec here we come... > I was all for Monitors until you said that, Gordon. Seriously, though, any plan that would keep Leroy involved sounds good to me. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:42:42 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > One way to NOT start a flame, is to insult someone's country. > I think you meant "One way to NOT start a flame, is to avoid insulting someone's country." (Conversely, a sure-fire way to start a flame is to insult someone's heritage or nation, and I've also found that turning completely asside from topics germane to a given list, I.E. on this one, Mystara, and start instead to discuss real world controversies, is an excellent way to start a series of flames. And yes, I would know). Of course there are those who consider it perfectly acceptable to behave any damn way they please, to resort to any insult or ad-hominem attack, but to consider themselves perfectly justified non-flamers, the veritable soul of ettiquette and polite discretion. However, if you reply to them in a way that shows you don't share their Franz Fanonish world view, then you're a nasty flamer by a-priori definition, and need to be silenced. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:57:50 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jdaly wrote: > > I hate to be the monarchist here, but I would prefer seeing one list admin. > I see the potential of cliques and powertrips being a little too high. I > don't mind one ogrish admin. One good ogrish admin will be tough enough to > pick, three might be pushing it. I'm of two minds here. I too, have seen "monitored" email lists that were more "cliquey" than I might have liked, so there is a definite concern about that. On the other hand, having run an email list, I know how valuable it can be to have others taking on at least some of the work, and I do admit that I'd like to see Leroy keep posession of the Golden club of Ogreship. But I think that I would vote for trying the moderator option. If, as Leroy suggested, it doesn't work out, we can always opt for the "find another Ogre" option down the road. But after giving it some further thought, I expect that we just might be able to get it to work. Think about it -- if 80% of the people who have written to Leroy have expressed /concerns/ about how the list would be run after he left, that suggests that a lot of us really care and appreciate how it is currently run. Since many of us have been here for a long time, I'm sure that Leroy could sift through the chaff and find three individuals, who are willing to do the job, and who would strive to maintain the "hands off in general but firm when necessary" atmosphere that Leroy has developed here. Additionally, most of us know who has what general opinions about which areas and what time periods, so it should also not be too hard to insure that these three people are of different inclinations, which should reduce the chance of a 'clique' forming. So we end up with the "MML Advisory Council", so to speak. And, I'd suggest, that in the future, if any one of the "Advisors" decides to leave us, it should be up to Leroy and the remaining two to pick a replacement. There's my 2 passem. :-) Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ <------------------------------------------------------------------> God created Light. Then Earth, Vegetables, Animals, Man and Woman. Then God started to think: "I should create things I *like*!" And God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:14:29 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Despicable Karimari MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Andrew Theisen writes: >> Damn you people! Damn you all to hell! :) I swear, for anyone who thinks that parallel evolution of ideas is not a legitimate phenomenon, you need to have your heads examined. It is a fully legit, and real thing. Just living here near Hollywood has been enough of a confirmation of that for me... Anyway, I've been working on something similar to this recently myself, but was waiting until it was completed before revealing it. I still won't go into it too much here, save to mention that in it, I am positing a relationship between the Karimari and the Carnifex- not directly, but through the Carnifex' distant cousins and former servitors, the Kopru. It should soon be reaching a point where I can unveil it to the world, so be forewarned! The time of the Kopru is at hand! Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :) << Oh, I like the Kopru. I think they were portrayed in too nice a light in PC1. These guys are wicked! I can't wait to see what you've come up with. I aslo like Geoff's idea where just a few of the Karimari (the clerics and wizards) sell the souls of all of the rest of their countrymen (who may just be out of the loop on this one), in order for their country to prosper. This idea has some very dark undertones. Hehehe...The Outer Beings must be very proud of you Geoff. Well, if you couldn't tell, I really like the OB idea, but I think that James brings up some nice ways to flesh out the Karimari as well. Remember that the OBs were not always present in Karimari culture. Imagine a people who manage to survive the GRoF (perhaps by shutting their doors to refugees as James suggests). When things start to cool down, they might begin to see themselves as above everyone else. They make some feeble attempts to try and interact with the world at large again (through trade and whatnot), but nobody seems to like them very much. Either people remember that the Karimari turned them away after the GRoF, they just don't like their haughty attitude, or a combination of both. The Karimari culture starts to crumble, but because of the prevailing attitude, the majority of the populace does not see this disaster coming. The few that can see the trees through the forest (some clerics and wizards) can not convince their people to change their ways. Instead they travel to long forgotten places, and make pacts with unknown entities. The Karimari are saved...in a manner of speaking. In a much more accurate manner of speaking, they are doomed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:42:06 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [[MYSTARA] [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > >Give it some thought and debate. Don't be afraid to voice your >opinion. If it seems there is no clear majority, a quick vote will >be taken. Personally, I don't really have an opinion. I'd like to see Leroy able to= continue to participate, because I think he's done a good job, and if thi= s would allow him to relieve the burden, and is something he wants to do (o= r try at least), I'd say go for it. I think there are enough cool headed and ma= ture individuals here on the list that the "cliquishness" that has been mentio= ned here and there won't be a problem. On the other hand, IIRC, one of Leroy's reasons for stepping down was tha= t he found it increasingly time consuming to devote the energy to running some= thing that was no longer as big an interest as it once was (and looking at that= sentence, I realize it may sound a bit negative, which totally isn't my intention...) So I wouldn't want to "force" Leroy into doing something th= at he does not feel in all good conscience that he can continue to do, regardle= ss of any concerns over who will succeed him. So if the list monitor idea- admittedly suggested by Leroy- came about due to the concerns of the majo= rity, well... I don't think it's right for us to put undue pressure on him to continue on, in any capacity, if he really doesn't want to. = I guess that's my real question, here- Leroy, is the list monitors idea something that you would actually want to participate in, or would you be= more comfortable just passing the baton completely? I understand if you want t= o try and make everyone here happy, but it seems to me the whole issue here is = what makes you happy? Because if I read your initial resignation letter correc= tly, stepping down completely is what would make you happiest at the moment. S= o bear in mind that you've already done a world of good to us MMLers by get= ting this thing going already, and it's okay for you to want to be a little se= lfish (as it were). Don't make a sacrifice that you really don't want to. I thi= nk we'd all understand. >"My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I >looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. > >What the heck. Had a couple myself." > > Earl, Red Meat I love this comic strip! But is it just me, or do they not seem quite as = funny these days? They seem to have lost their edge a bit... Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen "The greatest trick Doug Henning ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - Keyser Soze ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:12:31 IDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: Re: Creature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Could you send me the description sometime? I don't have access to DMR2. Thanks >From: H�vard >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Creature >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:04:11 +0200 > >On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Eyal Fleminger wrote: > > > I seem to remember a creature called a feyhound or a faery hound or some > > such. Does anyone have the stats&description? > >I think there is such a creature in the second edition of the Creature >Catalogue. I dont have it with me now though... > >H�vard > >Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) >http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~havardfa >http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:29:20 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Ruhland ha scritto: > > Gridsec here we come... > > > I was all for Monitors until you said that, Gordon. What on Mystara is Gridsec??? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:21:07 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: REVIEWS: X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "If you would be so kind to fill out this questionnaire..." I want to make sure my money is well spent. So I seek information on these products from the experts who own them and use them. Three questions: 1) what's the subject of the item about? 2) who specifically would get the most out of it? 3) I make a bold assumption that it has something to do with an elves and/or Ilsundal, Eryndul, or Mealinden. As a module, does it provide good background for Mystaran Elven culture? 4) And keeping in mind that I am not an active DM, but more interested in Mystaran demi-human cultures, would it probably benefit what I am looking for/be worth my money and trouble? X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord TSR No.: 9165 Status: Out of print Setting: D&D Expert, Mystara Characters: 4 to 8 of levels 5-9 Author: Stephen Bourne Year: 1986 Summary: The heroes are summoned to help Wendar and its inhabitants withstand the imminent attack of the Denagothian army and to accomplish this feat they must retrieve the stolen Elvenstar, the magical defensive artifact of Wendar. In the second part of the adventure, they search for the cursed Blackstick, to prevent the archvillain called Shadow Lord from acquiring it and raising an army of undead. Contributed by: Marco Dalmonte (mdalmonte@racine.ra.it) Thanks for your opinions and time -o ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:40:41 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Ruhland Subject: Re: Gridsec MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I was all for Monitors until you said that, Gordon. > > What on Mystara is Gridsec??? > "Gridsec" are those happy-go-lucky brainfraggers down at Lone Star Security, tasked with making the Matrix challenging to run. Of course, that's in Shadowrun. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:36:51 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: REVIEWS: Creature Catalogue MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> I do not have the Mystara Monsterous Manual, so I can't comment on >> that. Also, I am not sure what the date of publication is, but it >> is part of the "Challenger Series" and has an orange cover. > >That's the 1993 edition, spelled "Creature Catalog". Has some new >monsters, lacks some old ones, and they're all moved around. I >haven't compared them side-by-side in a while, but they're mostly the >same, I think. The 1993 edition, DMR2, has slightly fewer monsters and they are sorted in alphabetical order rather than by creature type. One nice thing is that it includes massive wandering monster charts to use instead of those in the RC (or boxes). I regret getting rid of my copy of DMR2 (I let one of my players have it when I bought AC9) becuase of the wandering monster charts, but AC9 is still well worth the $8 to $12 range it generally sells for. BTW, AC9 (the 1986 edition) is available at the Wizards on-line store to customers in the US (apparently not overseas--I dunno about Canada) for $12 (cover price) & free shipping 'til April 15. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:39:05 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: Creature MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> I seem to remember a creature called a feyhound or a faery hound or some >> such. Does anyone have the stats&description? >I think there is such a creature in the second edition of the Creature >Catalogue. I dont have it with me now though... It was originally featured in PC1: Tall Tales of the Wee Folk, but I don't have either of those accessories with me, so I can't really help you. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:06:00 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: REVIEWS: X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >"If you would be so kind to fill out this questionnaire..." But of course :-) >1) what's the subject of the item about? Basically, the party is sent by Thyatis to aid their vassal/ally Wendar (although the PWAs seem to gut this idea) in defending itself against the evil Denagoth. The Elvenstar has been stolen, and Wendar faces invasion and destruction without it. >2) who specifically would get the most out of it? Hmmm. It's a good adventure, so probably someone who wanted to DM it. IMO, it's not particularly "Mystaran" in flavor. It's definitely, as someone on the list said at some point in the past, very "Tolkienesque." >3) I make a bold assumption that it has something to do with an elves >and/or Ilsundal, Eryndul, or Mealinden. As a module, does it provide good >background for Mystaran Elven culture? Well, no. Until The PWAs revised Wendar, there was no significant mention of elves there. They're not specifically excluded, but the presence of Wendarian elves is, at best, questionable (although I personally prefer the PWA version). It does briefly describe an extinct elvish culture within Denagoth... >4) And keeping in mind that I am not an active DM, but more interested in >Mystaran demi-human cultures, would it probably benefit what I am looking >for/be worth my money and trouble? Depends on how much money and how much trouble we're talking. I would say probably not, but then again it depends on how much it'll cost you and how curious you are about Wendar and Denagoth. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:10:28 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: Despicable Kopru MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Oh, I like the Kopru. I think they were portrayed in >too nice a light in PC1. These guys are wicked! I >can't wait to see what you've come up with. Oh, poor Kopru! I prefer the version of them in PC2 (I think that's what you meant) to their stereotypical "evil villain" portrayal in X1. Of course, is it really that evil to try to stop strange dry-skinners from breaking into your home and stealing your treasure? I dunno, personally I like both the Kopru and the Karimari as mostly decent, if occasionally selfish, people. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:35:58 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: An Alternative to My Demise MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >I hate to be the monarchist here, but I would prefer seeing one list admin. >I see the potential of cliques and powertrips being a little too high. I >don't mind one ogrish admin. One good ogrish admin will be tough enough to >pick, three might be pushing it. Generally I would tend to agree with Jeff here, but I think keeping Leroy as the Ogre-Lord of the MML will generally keep the 3 monitors in check. I definitely think Leroy has done an excellent job, although I also think we have several other people on the list who could do an excellent job as well. Since this is the only list on which I'm active, I don't really know what sort of cliquishness we might be facing. Basically, I'd say that if Leroy will feel put-upon if we ask him to stay and he'd rather not, then we should go with the single admin policy, perhaps with a specific term after which we can, as a group, decide whether or not to keep him or her as permanent admin. But if Leroy's willing to stay in charge of the list, I'd support the 3 monitors idea, especially since we can always change our minds if it doesn't work out. One thing that I would suggest is that we set the current rules at Leroy's site as hard and fast rules for now at least. Sure, we can discuss changing them (i assume people still have trouble with HTML, but if not, why keep it?), but I think regardless of the course of action chosen we shold stick to Leroy's rules for now. Maybe that's just 'cause i like 'em, though :-) Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:51:06 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: REVIEWS: X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oliver wrote: > > "If you would be so kind to fill out this questionnaire..." > > I want to make sure my money is well spent. So I seek information on these > products from the experts who own them and use them. Three questions: > 1) what's the subject of the item about? A long adventure, with Thyatian characters who happen to be near Wendar and are asked to help the Elven King. > 2) who specifically would get the most out of it? If you need a dominion-awarding adventure, on a border kingdom with a lot of wildalands around, that's what you need. > 3) I make a bold assumption that it has something to do with an elves > and/or Ilsundal, Eryndul, or Mealinden. As a module, does it provide good > background for Mystaran Elven culture? Only for the nearly-extinct elves of Geffron. However, elves are prevalent as a background leitmotiv (the King is "elven", the main ally is of elven blood). > 4) And keeping in mind that I am not an active DM, but more interested in > Mystaran demi-human cultures, would it probably benefit what I am looking > for/be worth my money and trouble? > If you already have most materials about elves, yes. Otherwise, get the Gaz or Tree of Life or Blade of Vengeance. [..] > Thanks for your opinions and time You're welcome -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:03:42 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: REVIEWS: X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >A long adventure, with Thyatian characters who happen to be near Wendar >and are asked to help the Elven King. Well, X11 itself calls him the "wizard-king" and an "old man;" it wasn't 'til the PWAs that he became elven. >> 4) And keeping in mind that I am not an active DM, but more interested in >> Mystaran demi-human cultures, would it probably benefit what I am looking >> for/be worth my money and trouble? >If you already have most materials about elves, yes. Otherwise, get the >Gaz or Tree of Life or Blade of Vengeance. Or, for that matter, the Hollow World, Champions of Mystara, or Dawn of the Emperors boxed sets. BTW--can someone give a brief overview of Blade of Vengeance? It's one that I don't yet own. Isn't it O2 or something like that? Or is it one of the CM or M modules? Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:33:15 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > > Since my announcement, though, I have been mulling over an > alternative to my resignation: monitors. I think we should be able to find a number of not too impartial people for the monitoring job, and it surely could be better than leaving all work to a single person. Also, we'll have a guarantee that things won't change, and that should you decide to actually leave the position, there will already be people with both will and skill to fill it. I vote for monitors. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:39:47 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: O2: Blade of Vengeance [Was: [MYSTARA] REVIEWS: X11: Saga of the Shadow Lord] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Patrick Sullivan wrote: >BTW--can someone give a brief overview of Blade of Vengeance? It's one = >that I don't yet own. Isn't it O2 or something like that? Or is it one >of t= he CM or M modules? O2 is one of the two One-on-One modules- one player and one DM. It deals with an elf (can't think of his name) who returns to his home in= the Emerlas (the northern/northeastern portion of the Canolbarth forest) only= to find it has been put to the torch, and humanoids have looted and killed a= ll of his clan. He then goes on a quest to put things right, and eventually discovers his ancestral ties to a famous elven dragonslayer, and the offs= pring of that ancient dragon has awakened and formed a humanoid army in the mountains to the north. It is actually fairly decent, and well done. It portrays a much more acti= ve section of the Canolbarth than would seem to be the case as evidenced by = Gaz5- for instance, there is a human village, as well as a halfling village in = the region. All told, though, I think it can fit in very well (after all, the Gazes c= an't tell *everything* about the forest in their limited format), and would de= velop well on a 1 sq.mi/hex map (like the Valley of Wolves in PC4) in fact, I o= nce started to do just that... maybe I'll finish it one day. Anyway, I've taken the liberty of incorporating elements of the module in= to the past couple of Mystaran Almanacs (kudos to those of you who recognize= d the dragon Khordarg in the Orclands!), if only for the sake of easing all tho= se old modules and things into continuity somewhere. = ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:42:59 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Pasi Anias Subject: Re: [ADMIN] More From the List Ogre In-Reply-To: <043901bf9ddf$f7a7cb60$a089a1d8@thedeadlands> from Leroy Van Camp III at "Apr 3, 2000 08:46:24 pm" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leroy wrote a while ago: > The very first post made to the MML was on Thursday, > September 28, 1995. Which means the list has been around > for about 4.5 years. Hate to go against Leroy's word but that's actually the date of the first Digest. The first (test) post was on sep 15th, 1995 and the first real post on 18th. (as seen on the 1st digest) Pasi //Had to say as I just happened to notest... Here's the original announcementin rec.games.frp.dnd, for nostalgia's sake... The time goes by doesnt it. Many of the subjects are still the same as back then, only difference is that the peoples have changed a bit... Cant say I have enough time to the list anymore either, so i can understand Your decision Leroy... The good thing is that now one can read a lot of the _good_ stuff of the list easier as the stuf goes to the www-pages of many of Our esteemed members. _____ >From rec.games.frp.dnd Tue Sep 19 12:29:00 1995 Path: news.cc.tut.fi!news.funet.fi!news.kolumbus.fi!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!wetware!wsrcc.com!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!buzzard.csrv.uidaho.edu!van891 From: van891@buzzard.csrv.uidaho.edu (Leroy Van Camp III) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Join the new MYSTARA MAILING LIST Date: 15 Sep 1995 18:07:35 GMT Organization: His Own Hell Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <43cfd7$euk@newshound.uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: buzzard.csrv.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am happy to announce the birth of the Mystara Mailing List, and would like to encourage anyone who enjoy's the Mystara setting to subscribe. Even lurkers are welcome. The FAQ for the mailing list will be posted. It tells how to subscribe, where to mail posts, and what we will be talking about. At the rate Mystara is going, I can't help but think its death may be imminent. If this happens, I would like the List to become a continuing source for new materials and ideas. Ah, come on. It's free. How many things in life can you say that about? P.S. Any questions? Email the admin at owner-mystara-l@io.com. ______ -- X Pasi Anias X p.03 - 2533536 X \\|// X X Sammonkatu 8-10 G 62 X a122286@proffa X (o o) X X 33540 Tampere X .cc.tut.fi X o000--(_)--000o X ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:35:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: Champions ofMystara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:19:18 -0500, Ranma Al'Thor wrote: <> Hey! What have u got against Switzerland??? ;) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:56:51 PDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Eckhard Subject: CUSTOM: Immortals rules / Dieties and Demigods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ladies and Gentlemen; I am building a campaign where [like Cyric and friends from FR] mortals become immortals. I need to quickly find IMMORTALS rules and/or the DIETIES & DEMIGODS so I can thrash out new diety/dieties and their status [greater, lesser, etc.] for my campaign. I do not have time to troll my bookstores. Where can I get a quick and dirty of either or both of these publications? If I can only find dieties and demigods I will just have to wing it, but at least I will have something. HELP PLEASE.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:59:05 PDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Eckhard Comments: To: al-quadim-l@oracle.wizards.com, dnd-l@oracle.wizards.com, greyhawk-l@oracle.wizards.com, realms-l@oracle.wizards.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Michael Eckhard" To: al-quadim-l@oracle.wizards.com, mystara-l@oracle.wizards.com, dnd-l@oracle.wizards.com, greyhawk-l@oracle.wizards.com, realms-l@oracle.wizards.com Subject: CUSTOM: Immortals rules / Dieties and Demigods Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:50:04 PDT Ladies and Gentlemen; I am building a campaign where [like Cyric and friends from FR] mortals become immortals. I need to quickly find IMMORTALS rules and/or the DIETIES & DEMIGODS so I can thrash out new diety/dieties and their status [greater, lesser, etc.] for my campaign. I do not have time to troll my bookstores. Where can I get a quick and dirty of either or both of these publications? If I can only find dieties and demigods I will just have to wing it, but at least I will have something. HELP PLEASE.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:24:04 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [[MYSTARA]] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Eckhard wrote: > >Where can I get a quick and dirty of either or both of these >publicatio= ns? If I can only find dieties and demigods I will just have to >wing it, but= at least I will have something. On the Wizards' site, you can download a copy of Legends and Lore (the 2n= d edition revised version of Deities and Demigods). Just go to the dungeons= and dragons page and look under the downloads. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:40:33 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages with a common origin. To further complicate things Hebrew was the language of the temple, and was not in general use. The common language was Aramiac, which uses the same lettering system as ancient Hebrew, but is different in many ways. Modern Hebrew is = significantly different than ancient Hebrew. > George I agree on the first statement about Aramaic. But (although I understand = you are Jewish) I think that you are wrong when you say modern and = ancient hebrew are very different. My native tongue is hebrew, and when I read the bible it comes very = natural to me and I can understand what is being said. Of course the = wording is very different and there are many extinct words, and modern = hebrew has many many new words (computer, printer and the like are = obvious examples), but ancient hebrew is easely understandable to most = Israelies. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:48:50 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.com:80) Subject: Re: An Alternative to My Demise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:53:56 Leroy Van Camp III wrote: >Over the last week or so since I posted my announcement I have >received a flood of e-mail, both personally and on the list, filled >with kind words and positive feedback, all of which is appreciated. >But, there is an underlying concern to many of the messages I have >received in personal e-mail (and a few on the list), and that >message is a fear that this turn of events may end up a negative one. >Many people have said that they are on other mailing lists, most >of them hosted by Wizards, and they dislike the way some of those >lists tend to be run. They have said they really like the way I run >the MML, and that they worry that there is a chance that once I >leave the MML may become more like them. > >While I am flattered by such comments (and feel I am given more >credit than I deserve), I do understand these fears. I am on other >mailing lists where I tend to dislike how they are run. Amen to that. I haven't been on this list that long (only since late november IIRC), so I can't comment a lot on how things have been done over the years (I think I've only see one or two instances where you had to step in, which also says a lot about this list, I think). But I think that this list is much better moderated than some others I'm on, so I can very well understand the concerns people have mentioned - I share them... >Unfortunately, things cannot continue on their present course. >Simply rescinding my planned resignation, and going on as normal, is >not an option. It is in the best interest of neither myself nor the >list. Something needs to change. > >Since my announcement, though, I have been mulling over an >alternative to my resignation: monitors. How it would work is simple: >I would choose several people, likely three, whose job will >primarily be to watch all posts for list violations, such as flames, >copyright violation, and so on, and to take care of such problems. >I would continue on with the technical side, as well as supporting >and backing the monitors. The end result is, theoretically, a well >run list with the work spread out over several people. > (rest snipped) Well, if monitors means that you'll continue as moderator, then I'll vote for it! As you say, it may not work out the way we want to, but I certainly think we should give it a try. Besides, it'll allow us to keep the only ogre I ever liked ;) - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 02:54:35 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On the issue of Herathian/Aranean Alphabet and its links to Alphatian and its rendering of names with a hebrew or phoenician sound: I remember that in PA Haldemar sneaks into the Wizard King's sanctum and peers at a scroll and, without spell use, he recognizes "some signs similar to Alphatia dealing with the Followers of Flame"... wow, if Haldemar picks up a couple of signs by just a casual gaze, there must be some common root in Alphatian (some stage, version, particular alphabet) and Herathian. Also in Champions of Mystara, the character sheets for the PA crew show that some of them have taken one or other "Alphatian Dialect", like Raman Nabonidus having Ambur Dialect for poetry... if it amounts to a language slot beyond Alphatian Common (and beyond Old Alphatian which I take as inherent to the training of Alphatian magic-users), there may be quite a few differences, in fact, "Alphatian" could be made up of a bunch of later-standarized-into-common-imperial-language languages! after all Old Alphatia was a world-spanning empire!!! So, to go with RW parallels, it could be like a whole language family, in the way that Hebrew, Aramaic, Phoenician, and also Babylonian and Arabic are so similar to each other (trust me, far more than French to Spanish or English), scripts also could have a common "core", then have differed and then spread around the world through contact and exchange of different groups... like Ispan, a Thyatian dialect which has given birth to Belcadiz Elf and a few languages of the SC. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:07:44 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Magister Mystaros Subject: Re: An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/00 8:28:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO writes: << Even though I didnt respond to the first email, I think you have done a really good job with this list, Leroy.>> "Same here" again here Leroy. <> "Same here" again... <> Power? Corrupt? Never! Mwahahahahahahahaha! <> And, again, "same here". That's three times I've agreed wholeheartedly with someone. I have now used up my quota for the year :) James A. Mishler Mystaros@aol.com Home Phone: 219-434-0120 Work Phone: 219-420-0550 x3307 (8 AM to 5 PM CST) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:12:52 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Magister Mystaros Subject: Re: CUSTOM: Immortals rules / Dieties and Demigods MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/00 6:10:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time, g3taso@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << If I can only find dieties and demigods I will just have to wing it, but at least I will have something. HELP PLEASE.... >> IIRC WotC has the 2nd Edition Legends & Lore tome downloadable on their website... that would help for a 2nd Edition campaign. The other volumes are not available on the web, except perhaps for sale on Ebay or at EShops that sell used/collectible materials. James A. Mishler Magister Mystaros Check out my website: www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/1437/index.html ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:56:24 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: O2: Blade of Vengeance [Was: [MYSTARA] REVIEWS: X11: Saga of th... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-11 5:42:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cthulhudrew@USA.NET writes: << It deals with an elf (can't think of his name) who returns to his home in the Emerlas (the northern/northeastern portion of the Canolbarth forest) only to find it has been put to the torch, and humanoids have looted and killed all of his clan. He then goes on a quest to put things right, and eventually discovers his ancestral ties to a famous elven dragonslayer, and the offspring of that ancient dragon has awakened and formed a humanoid army in the mountains to the north. >> I think the elf's name was Erystelle (although I am not entirely sure). As I recall, the module was deliberately written so as to leave the elf's sex in doubt -- that way the elf could be played as either male or female as desired. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:56:24 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Despicable Kopru MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-11 3:26:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pds3@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU writes: << Oh, poor Kopru! I prefer the version of them in PC2 (I think that's what you meant) to their stereotypical "evil villain" portrayal in X1. >> Try again -- they are described in PC3, "The Sea People". ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:57:15 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Francisco V. Navarro" Subject: Paparazzi Glantri MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mystarans: I would like to announce the opening of my website "Paparazzi Glantri" www.geocities.com/paparazzi_glantri I've always wondered where the rumors about the Princes of Glantri comes from, and who spread them, and where I can get infromation to clarify them (or confuse them further). Inspired by the workings of the GPD and other notable sites on Mystara, I have created "Paparazzi Glantri" as a resource to provide rumors, gossip, intrigue, and many things Glantrian for PCs and DMs alike. It's presented in character, and makes no claim of accuracy to the truth (i.e. canon), but does boast of being interesting and exciting. Thank you. Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph Paparazzi Glantri www.geocities.com/paparazzi_glantri "Ah, Captain Iulius Sergius Scaevola! Welcome! We have been expecting you here in Glantri..." --Beatriz Dominatore, Paparazzi Glantri, Liaison to the Caurenzans and New Kollanders ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:26:12 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Despicable Kopru MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Oh, I like the Kopru. I think they were portrayed in > >too nice a light in PC1. These guys are wicked! I > >can't wait to see what you've come up with. >=20 >=20 > Oh, poor Kopru! I prefer the version of them in PC2 (I think that's = what > you meant) to their stereotypical "evil villain" portrayal in X1. Of > course, is it really that evil to try to stop strange dry-skinners = from > breaking into your home and stealing your treasure? I dunno, = personally I > like both the Kopru and the Karimari as mostly decent, if occasionally > selfish, people. What?!? Kopru in the Flying City of Serraine? They do get about... I = think everybody means PC3: The Sea People (and wonder if this thread = will go on, and I will be proven wrong). "Harpies? Truly charming young ladies." - Horrobin, nagpa sage and tour = guide Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:34:50 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Since my announcement, though, I have been mulling over an > alternative to my resignation: monitors. How it would work is simple: > I would choose several people, likely three, whose job will > primarily be to watch all posts for list violations, such as flames, > copyright violation, and so on, and to take care of such problems. > I would continue on with the technical side, as well as supporting > and backing the monitors. The end result is, theoretically, a well > run list with the work spread out over several people. Would you really want to just take care of the technical side? Forgive = me for saying this, but that sounds incredibly boring. I'm all for = (mature) monitors, but please don't do anything because you feel you = have to. It's not like you're abandoning your 'children'; if you want to = retire, please do, no strings attached. Monitors could work fine even = without an Ogre standing behind them, hefting a large spiked club. It = would be more like what Jenni said, an 'advisory council' with no real = council head (or they could elect one). And about the technical side, I'm sure somebody must be able to handle = that?!? Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:03:54 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: Despicable Kopru In-Reply-To: Jacob Skytte's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:26:12 +0200" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jacob Skytte writes: > What?!? Kopru in the Flying City of Serraine? They do get about... I > think everybody means PC3: The Sea People (and wonder if this thread > will go on, and I will be proven wrong). All that's left is PC4... oh, no, lycanthrope kopru! -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 213 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes, 32 seconds till we run away. You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:13:17 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: Despicable Kopru MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 D'oh! I always do that! See, the problem is that I always remember that Tall Tales of the Wee Folk came first 'cause it didn't have a nice map, but I always think that Secrets of the Sea People came next 'cause I've owned it much longer than I have PC2 and it is much more ragged. Anyway, in an attempt to bring this back more or less on-topic... Has anyone made landlubber equivalents for PC3's characteristics tables? You know, the "Waves of Fate" and physical attributes charts. I think such a thing would be very useful for generating random NPCs quickly, especially if they were made specific for each culture (i.e., one chart for Traladarans, another for those of Ethengarian heritage...). Anyway, if anyone has done such a thing, share with the list, please. If not, perhaps i might work some up eventually (but, as always with me, no guarantees). Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:20:16 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the process of analyzing the "Voyage of the Princess Ark" series for the Mystara3E project, I came across something rather interesting. In issue #186, the ruler of the Wallara is named as "Bakaloo son of Woy". Those of you who have access to the "Orc's Head Peninsula" accessory should immediately notice how odd that reference is, as it suggests that Bakaloo is identifiable as the son of a particular individual of his tribe -- whereas the method of reproduction described in that accessory would make it nearly impossible to tell which wallara's skin was the origin of a given wallara. This would suggest that at least some of the wallara reproduce sexually in a normal manner, and thus that there are indeed females among them. I must admit that I am a bit bothered by the idea that the wallara are actual males who reproduce asexually -- given their resemblance to male humans, this would suggest that they are anatomically designed for certain matters that cannot possibly contribute to their reproduction. Since unlike fauns and satyrs they have no obvious outlets for lust outside their own species, the most reasonable interpretation of the material in the "Orc Head's Peninsula" material is that they appear to be male but are in fact neuter and asexual -- but I would prefer to take a different approach with them. However, the idea of wallaras emerging from shed skins is too weird and interesting to abandon entirely, so I would suggest the following theory: 1) Female wallara indeed exist, but like other lizard-kin they are more similar in appearance to males than are other female humanoids. This would suggest that they have wisps of mustaches and small breasts that are only slightly larger than those of the males -- features which would make them somewhat unattractive to non-wallara but are easily within the normal range of female humanoid appearance. The fact that they are the same height and weight as the males (and thus quite physically formidable) and are not usually in a "willing" mood causes matings between female wallara and male non-wallara to be virtually unheard of. 2) Wallara usually reproduce in the normal manner of humanoids, but they do not nurse their young. It is just as well that they do not, as their young are born with teeth, are able to eat adult food from birth, and grow to full adult size in a single year. Wallara who are born normally may become members of any class available to wallara except for the priest (mendoo/medicine man) class. 3) Given how quickly wallara grow, it is fortunate that they do not reproduce too often. Unlike most other humanoids, female wallara are usually not willing and able to mate but go into "heat" once every 10-20 years. At that point whichever male wallara has devoted the most time and attention to that female is suitably "rewarded". Barring truly bizarre circumstances, only one male mates with a given female, and there is no doubt as to who is the father of the child that she almost inevitably gives birth to. 4) Wallara priests (mendoo/medicine men) are indeed easily recognized because they are made and not born. Each year, when the wallara shed their skins, they present the skins to their senior mendoo/medicine man. He then burns the skins and pours the ashes into a tub of water. If he is still young and healthy (i.e., of less than middle age), then he is able to drink that solution and gain a level of spellcasting ability. If he is older and is training one or more replacements, then one of his trainees (if he is fully trained but not yet middle-aged) drinks the solution. If the tribe has no mendoos who can drink the solution, then the ashes coalesce into a wallara destined to become a mendoo himself. This mendoo appears to be male in most respects but in fact is completely neuter and asexual. Wallara mendoos are celibate but take no vows to that effect -- by their very nature they have no choice in the matter. Since the mendoos are the only wallara who are likely to deal with outsiders in any way except to fight them, matings between male wallara and female non-wallara are also quite unlikely. So -- assuming that I have not ventured into an area that grossly offends general good taste, is this scheme better or worse than the one proposed in the "Orc's Head Peninsula" material? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:42:03 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: erewan laubgaenger Subject: Re: Creature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eyal Fleminger wrote: > I seem to remember a creature called a feyhound or a faery hound or some > such. Does anyone have the stats&description? yes the fey hound is also known as Coin-sith AC: 3 Save as Elf :3 HD: 2+3* Moral: 8 Tresure Type: NIL Att: 1 (Bite) AL: Neutral Damage: 2-12 (2D6) XP: 35 No. Appering: 1-3 (1-6) the coin-sith can become Invisible (to mortals) at will. they apper as lage black and green dogs. eyes and tongues have green radiance. they are int. like dogs and loyal to there masters. if you need the AD&D2th stats drop me a line. a friend of my has my C.B. od Elven, where the dog is in. (we meet on Friday) then i could send you the stats. there exsist also an elven cat. IBON ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:26:35 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: Blade of Vengeance. In-Reply-To: <200004120703.DAA90772@smtp.uky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes, I have seen the chainmail clad elf on the cover of Blade of Vengeance, but I never judge a module by it's cover. I ask others first : ) You provided a pretty good in-depth report on the other module. I already own the two produced Gazetteers about the forest and shadow elves, along with Tree of Life. -So besides being a one-on-one adventure, how much of an elven backdrop does Blade of Vengeance provide? -What Mystaran lands does it occur in? -Anything else that helps define the Elves as a culture? grazie -o At Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:51:06 +0000, you wrote: > > 4) And keeping in mind that I am not an active DM, but more interested in > > Mystaran demi-human cultures, would it probably benefit what I am looking > > for/be worth my money and trouble? > > > >If you already have most materials about elves, yes. Otherwise, get the >Gaz or Tree of Life or Blade of Vengeance. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:20:34 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Random Gibberish Praising the OBs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Interested to help spreading news about the OB's, and enlarge the > ranks of their worshippers? > >>Yep - I can see it now. Next thing that happens, you guys will shave your heads, put on saffron robes, and start handing out leaflets at Alphatian skyship yards.<< The next thing? [Rubbing bald head while shuffling around in a skyship yard.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:59:56 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: [[MYSTARA] Blade of Vengeance.] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oliver wrote: > >-So besides being a one-on-one adventure, how much of an elven backdrop >does Blade of Vengeance provide? Not sure what you mean here. It is the first appearance of the Faedorne a= nd the Shining Isles, and relates their connection to the elves of the Canol= barth forest, and provides some good general information about the Emerlas (a particular section of the Canolbarth) which may or may not seem entirely = in canon with the information in Gaz5 (there is a village of humans and of halflings there, and I believe there is a village of dwarves, though I do= n't recall for certain.) IMO, since it depicts such a small area, it doesn't really alter anything (Gaz5 is on a larger map scale, and it definitely s= ets a precedent for more elven clans than just the major ones, so why not some humans and things on the fringes?) Also, it could very easily be adapted to a party of PCs as opposed to jus= t the single PC it is designed for. >-What Mystaran lands does it occur in? Alfheim. The northeastern tip, near the Dwarfgate Mountains (and Orc territory). >-Anything else that helps define the Elves as a culture? Not so much. The main character Erystelle, lived with his family in a tre= e home, and has (IIRC) a wardog companion. It showcases the lineage of his = elven family, and his clans ancient enemies, and sets up a precedent for the el= ven adventuring phase (which Erystelle was on when his family was killed). ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:53:32 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > And, again, "same here". That's three times I've agreed wholeheartedly with > someone. I have now used up my quota for the year :) > > James A. Mishler > Mystaros@aol.com Eagerly waiting year 2001. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Ballbreaker of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:55:42 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agathokles ha scritto: > Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > > > > Since my announcement, though, I have been mulling over an > > alternative to my resignation: monitors. > > I think we should be able to find a number of not too impartial people > for the monitoring job, and it surely could be better than leaving all > work to a single person. Also, we'll have a guarantee that things won't > change, and that should you decide to actually leave the position, there > will already be people with both will and skill to fill it. > I vote for monitors. > -- > > Giampaolo Agosta Another Thyatian fully support this, but just if it is what the Ogre really wants. If it would be a nuisance, then... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:03:20 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Paparazzi Glantri MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Francisco V. Navarro" ha scritto: > Dear Mystarans: > > I would like to announce the opening of my website "Paparazzi Glantri" > www.geocities.com/paparazzi_glantri > > I've always wondered where the rumors about the Princes of Glantri comes > from, and who spread them, and where I can get infromation to clarify them > (or confuse them further). Inspired by the workings of the GPD and other > notable sites on Mystara, I have created "Paparazzi Glantri" as a resource > to provide rumors, gossip, intrigue, and many things Glantrian for PCs and > DMs alike. It's presented in character, and makes no claim of accuracy to > the truth (i.e. canon), but does boast of being interesting and exciting. > > Thank you. > > Kit Navarro > fanavarro@pacific.net.ph > Paparazzi Glantri > www.geocities.com/paparazzi_glantri > > "Ah, Captain Iulius Sergius Scaevola! Welcome! We have been expecting you > here in Glantri..." > --Beatriz Dominatore, Paparazzi Glantri, Liaison to the Caurenzans and New > Kollanders I can't say I like this....if I weren't a bold Thyatian soldier I could actually be scared... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Solarios knows for how much still Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:06:54 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Knott ha scritto: > In the process of analyzing the "Voyage of the Princess Ark" series for > the Mystara3E project, I came across something rather interesting. In > issue #186, the ruler of the Wallara is named as "Bakaloo son of Woy". > Those of you who have access to the "Orc's Head Peninsula" accessory > should immediately notice how odd that reference is, as it suggests that > Bakaloo is identifiable as the son of a particular individual of his tribe -- > whereas the method of reproduction described in that accessory would > make it nearly impossible to tell which wallara's skin was the origin of > a given wallara. This would suggest that at least some of the wallara > reproduce sexually in a normal manner, and thus that there are indeed > females among them. > > I must admit that I am a bit bothered by the idea that the wallara are > actual males who reproduce asexually -- given their resemblance to > male humans, this would suggest that they are anatomically designed > for certain matters that cannot possibly contribute to their reproduction. > Since unlike fauns and satyrs they have no obvious outlets for lust > outside their own species, the most reasonable interpretation of the > material in the "Orc Head's Peninsula" material is that they appear to > be male but are in fact neuter and asexual -- but I would prefer to take > a different approach with them. > > However, the idea of wallaras emerging from shed skins is too weird and > interesting to abandon entirely, so I would suggest the following theory: > > 1) Female wallara indeed exist, but like other lizard-kin they are more > similar in appearance to males than are other female humanoids. This > would suggest that they have wisps of mustaches and small breasts > that are only slightly larger than those of the males -- features which > would make them somewhat unattractive to non-wallara but are easily > within the normal range of female humanoid appearance. The fact that > they are the same height and weight as the males (and thus quite > physically formidable) and are not usually in a "willing" mood causes > matings between female wallara and male non-wallara to be virtually > unheard of. > > 2) Wallara usually reproduce in the normal manner of humanoids, but > they do not nurse their young. It is just as well that they do not, as > their young are born with teeth, are able to eat adult food from birth, > and grow to full adult size in a single year. Wallara who are born > normally may become members of any class available to wallara except > for the priest (mendoo/medicine man) class. > > 3) Given how quickly wallara grow, it is fortunate that they do not reproduce > too often. Unlike most other humanoids, female wallara are usually not > willing and able to mate but go into "heat" once every 10-20 years. At that > point whichever male wallara has devoted the most time and attention to > that female is suitably "rewarded". Barring truly bizarre circumstances, > only one male mates with a given female, and there is no doubt as to who > is the father of the child that she almost inevitably gives birth to. > > 4) Wallara priests (mendoo/medicine men) are indeed easily recognized > because they are made and not born. Each year, when the wallara shed > their skins, they present the skins to their senior mendoo/medicine man. > He then burns the skins and pours the ashes into a tub of water. If he is > still young and healthy (i.e., of less than middle age), then he is able to > drink that solution and gain a level of spellcasting ability. If he is older > and > is training one or more replacements, then one of his trainees (if he is fully > trained but not yet middle-aged) drinks the solution. If the tribe has no > mendoos who can drink the solution, then the ashes coalesce into a wallara > destined to become a mendoo himself. This mendoo appears to be male in > most respects but in fact is completely neuter and asexual. Wallara mendoos > are celibate but take no vows to that effect -- by their very nature they > have no > choice in the matter. > > Since the mendoos are the only wallara who are likely to deal with outsiders > in any way except to fight them, matings between male wallara and female > non-wallara are also quite unlikely. > > So -- assuming that I have not ventured into an area that grossly offends > general good taste, is this scheme better or worse than the one proposed > in the "Orc's Head Peninsula" material? Rather interesting, Mr.Knott. I have noticed that your main interest in Mystara is to try to solve uncertainities and imprecisions in the setting. And you always produce interesting solutions. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:15:22 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Rather interesting, Mr.Knott. I have noticed that your main interest > in Mystara is to try to solve uncertainities and imprecisions in the > setting. And you always produce interesting solutions. Not to be snotty, but _please_please_please_ do not quote the entire message and then add a "me too" at then end. Quote only what's relevant. And that goes for all the other "offenders" out there. Don't make me exile you to the Broken Lands.. :D Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:41:27 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not, in fact, Jewish; I simply have a hobby of translating biblical and Aramaic texts. As I have learned it the original texts had no vowel symbols, thus it is very difficult to discern precise meanings of many words; the result being that these words have meanings drawn from concensus or from oral traditions. This introduces an inherent ambiguity in biblical texts that no longer exists today. Of course, this is far afield from the subject of this list. I think we should reserve any further discussion of this for email. It is interesting, though... George P.S. I wonder how many Isrealis read original texts... P.P.S. The Dead Sea Scrolls are currently on exhibit in Chicago. ----- Original Message ----- From: ���� ��� To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] History of Mystaran writing systems >Both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages with a common origin. To further complicate things Hebrew was the language of the temple, and was not in general use. The common language was Aramiac, which uses the same lettering system as ancient Hebrew, but is different in many ways. Modern Hebrew is significantly different than ancient Hebrew. > George I agree on the first statement about Aramaic. But (although I understand you are Jewish) I think that you are wrong when you say modern and ancient hebrew are very different. My native tongue is hebrew, and when I read the bible it comes very natural to me and I can understand what is being said. Of course the wording is very different and there are many extinct words, and modern hebrew has many many new words (computer, printer and the like are obvious examples), but ancient hebrew is easely understandable to most Israelies. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:42:14 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: [Re: [MYSTARA] Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SteelAngel wrote: > >Not to be snotty, but _please_please_please_ do not quote >the entire message and then add a "me too" at then end. >Quote only what's relevant. Yeah! Um... me... err... me too? :) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:37:32 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike & Rebecca Harvey Subject: Re: [ADMIN] An Alternative to My Demise In-Reply-To: <07e401bfa3b4$ff8af200$7af1e33f@thedeadlands> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Monitors are a great idea. My only concern is that with more than one, they may have trouble agreeing. Say for instance that Flaming Fred gets a little unruly; monitor A posts a warning, monitor B kicks him off the list, and monitor C says he has done nothing wrong so leave him alone. Who makes the final decision? If only one monitor warns him, does it count as an "official" warning even if another monitor disagrees? It just seems like you'll end up having to arbitrate things anyway. With multiple monitors, you could also get people lobbying them trying to sway the vote one way or the other, which can add a lot of off-topic overhead to the list (I know from experience). I think it would be better for you to pick ONE monitor, who only contacts you if someone needs to be kicked off. If he (she?) abuses his authority, just "fire" him and pick someone else. That way disagreements are eliminated, efficiency is maintained, and everyone knows that when he speaks they better jump. Best of all, it is essentially a "hands off" operation for you. Anyway, that's my opinion. As long as you're still in charge I'm not worried about some monarch taking over and abusing the privilege. They may be a hobgoblin, but they still have to answer to the ogre if enough kobolds cry out for justice. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bing@iccom.com (formerly mike@cs.pdx.edu) Mike Harvey HTTP://www.iccom.com/usrwww/bing/home.html Beaverton, Oregon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:16:21 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: An Alternative to My Demise MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >With multiple monitors, you could also get people lobbying them >trying to sway the vote one way or the other, which can add a lot of >off-topic overhead to the list (I know from experience). I'm not sure if that would happen here. It seems like Leroy very rarely has to step in anyway, and I don't think most people he might pick would have trouble approximating when intervention is called for. The list rules are fairly straightforward, and as long as Leroy retains final say over disciplinary action, I think everything will be fine. Perhaps there have been more cases when removal from the list was warranted, but I can only recall a handful. In fact, the only thing I really remember for sure was last year's (???) debate on the use of inappropriate language. I think pretty much everyone around here is fairly comitted to keeping the list open to a wide range of issues, even though many specific examples are of little or no interest to many people here. I'm not really sure what sort of issues we might have debate about among different monitors. I guess if this is really a serious threat, we shouldn't have multiple monitors, but I don't really see much threat. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:59:27 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: An AD&D translation of the Forester class MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While reading the DotE set, I wondered what would a Forester be in AD&D terms. I wasn't much satisfied by a dual class fighter/wizard, so I came up with the following character kits. ======================== Forester: an AD&D 2ed view The OD&D Forester class, as introduced in Dawn of the Emperors boxed set, is a class of human fighter/mages, devoted to Ilsundal and to the protection of the Vyalia elves. In AD&D 2ed terms, it is rather difficult to portray this unusual class: a fighter/mage with priest-like ethos. This article presents three AD&D 2ed character kits, which try to grasp the spirit, if not the letter, of the Forester class. Common features Role All this kits cover the same role: the Forester, a Thyatian Elf-Friend, who lives among the Vyalia. The Foresters act as guardians of the Vyalian forest, and as diplomatic trait d'union between the Empire of Thyatis and the Vyalia Clan: they ensure that their fellow humans don't abuse the forest and its inhabitants. They are also the living proof of the goodwill of the Vyalia towards the Empire and its Citizens. Requirements All Foresters are Thyatian Citizens of human or half-elven stock [human only, with many elven-blooded individuals in OD&D]. The elves won't allow a dwarven Forester, obviously, and there aren't Lupin Foresters, though Lupins of a forest dwelling breed could become Forester, provided that they were Thyatian Citizens. They must be of good alignment, and a member of Clan Vyalia must sponsor them. The applicant is examined and judged by the Treekeeper of the Clan, and when he joins the order, a religious ceremony is held, during which the would-be Forester pledges his fealty to the Clan and to Ilsundal. Special bonuses All Forester are Elf-Friends, and they are immediately recognised as such by any Elf [this does not work for Shadow elves or Hollow World elves, though]. No Elf will attack a Forester, but the Forester is expected to help any Elf in need. Forester military units have the same War Machine bonuses as elven units, and the Forester may join elven armies without loss of the unit's racial bonus. The Forester kits Fighter kit Defender of Ilsundal This is the standard Defender of Ilsundal. Normally, such character should be an elf, but the bond sealed between Thyatians and Vyalia allows the human warriors from the Empire to join the priesthood of the Elven Immortal. Defenders of Ilsundal must be of good alignment, and have access to the plant, animal, elemental air, divination, and protection spheres. They must choose the "detect evil" power, and must be proficient in a sword (long or short) and a bow (long or short). They can learn elven non-weapon proficiencies without penalties. Ranger kit Forester Ranger The forester ranger receives more spells (as a Defender, with the same spheres), but have the following hindrances. Their chosen enemy is, in fact, chosen by the Vyalia elves. The most common choices are goblins, frost giants and shadow elves. They must be proficient in long or short sword and in a bow at first level. They must take the following non-weapon proficiencies at first level: Ceremony (Ilsundal) and Religion (Vyalia). Bard kit Forester Bard This is the nearest AD&D approximation of the OD&D Forester class. This bard kit allows an actual human fighter/wizard, while the others only have priestly magic. Requirements: the Forester Bard must be NG, and must have a minimum of 12 Strength and 9 Constitution and Wisdom, in addition to the standard bard requirements. Class modifications: the Forester Bard doesn't have Pick Pockets and Read Languages thieving skills, and is not able to alter moods or counter the effects of song spells. The school of Necromancy is barred, and the character will prefer spells from the schools of Divination and Enchantment. However, he is able to use wizard scrolls from 1st level, to befriend animals like a ranger, and is resistant to Charm spells and spell-like powers (+1 to saving throws). The Forester Bard uses the THAC0 table for the priest class. Weapon proficiencies: characters with this kit get an extra weapon proficiency, which they must use for a sword (long or short). They must be proficient with a normal bow at first level. Non-weapon proficiencies: this bard does not get musical instrument proficiency for free. Instead, they get the Religion (Vyalia) proficiency without cost. They must take Ceremony (Ilsundal) at first level (it cost a single slot), and two among Hunting, Fishing, Orienteering, Survival (Forest) and Tracking. Joining the Foresters One should join the Foresters at first level. Joining later is not impossible, but very hard: the character must pay slots for all required and bonus proficiencies before getting the other bonuses. Leaving the foresters Should a character incur in the wrath of the Vyalia or, worse, of Ilsundal himself, his status as Forester is forever lost. The loss effects are the same as for any other kit, except that a ranger who looses the kit also forfeits his ranger class, becoming a fighter of the appropriate level. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:46:07 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm replying here to several posts on that subject (seeing how much behind I am). <> Good; there's no better reward to writing an article than others picking up on the lead and adding to it. <> Actually, it's Nithian/Ylari. In the RW, the Arab system was invented somewhere in the orient (like India or China, though I don't remember exactly now) but it was only used by very few since most didn't understand how it worked (how could zero, which meant nothing, suddenly represent more than nothing when put in a different place?); Arab mathematicans later conceptualized it into understandable terms, and because it was so useful and practical it became widespread (I assume it propagated quickly when merchants spread it around the Mediterranea). In Mystara, the history of the system is different to make use of the different history. The system is introduced to the modern world by the MArabs, the Ylari, who aren't the inventors of it either, but in Mystara aren't even those that made it practical. And unlike in the RW, this system had been in use for a long time before the Ylari, except that this period has been erased from mortal memory by the Spell of Oblivion, because before that it was commonly used by the Nithians (who at their peak controlled an empire that stretched from SC tp Thothia and from NW to Hinterlands). Before that, it was used by the Blackmoorians (though it was a variant), and was actually invented off Mystara, by the aliens of the Federation (brought by the Beagle). <> Actually RW runes are those found in the Scandinavian and Celtic languages of old, and are also used in magic rituals. The MScandinavian runes can be found in Gaz7 (given by Odin to the northmen). I'm not sure about Eusdria and Robrenn, but they may have runes too (if they don't, maybe they should). Possibly other Celtic peoples (like the Dunael) may have runes too. << 2. Our alphabet is a derivation of the Phoenician one, coming through Greek, perhaps Thyatis as a colony adapted Alphatian writing too, only in a different way... >> and <> Well, maybe we should rather assume that Milenian was (still is, in the HW) MGreek, and that the three tribes that became Thyatis, who fled from Milenia, derived their writing system from it. Since the tribes weren't equally affected by the Milenian culture, some would have a language more Milenian (Kerendans), some more Antalian (Hattians), and some in-between (Thyatians); like the language itself, the writing would be more Milenian/Greek or more divergent from it; since Thyatis is dominant among them, it would seem that an evolved but related version would be the standard Thyatian alphabet, and my opinion is to use the Latin alphabet for it, but Kerandan and Hattian would both have subtle differences from mainstream Thyatian (some different letters, some written in a more Milenian fashion than in Thyatian, etc). << 3. Old Alphatian (I love the article on the alphabet in the Tome of Mystara) could be, as hinted in the article, hieroglyphic, by making a 1000s more number of signs from a limited set of base characters. Something which happens in Old Assirian and Sumerian. Imagining that for Old Alphatian and a simplified version (similar to the Phoenician alphabet) for Modern Alphatian would make sense. >> and <> Well first let me clarify some facts about the Alphatian language: Alphatian is NOT MGreek. Or, I should say, not just MGreek. Because Alphatia is a unique Mystaran culture, it has a language that is not like any of the RW, though I used elements from many RW languages to do it; it is all the more unique in the fact that it is a language of magic, and is actually split between the aristocratic Alphatian and the mundaner Alphatian (both of which may, and probably do, have a number of versions). Alphatia as it is presented in my article in the Tome of Mystara, uses elements of Greek, Hebrew (including a cabal connection), Viking and Celtic runes, and elements from Babylonian and Phoenician and other cultures of the region (not Assyrian though). Basically, Alphatian uses the name of the Greek letters to name theirs, and they have as many letters as there are in Greek (at least, in the latest version of Greek; older versions had additional letters which eventually were phased out), but that is all there is in common with Greek. The drawing of the Alphatian letters are not those of Greek, though this is not said or represented in the article. The drawings certainly are more complicated than the Greek letters, because to write a word (in aristocratic A) the various symbols of the constituants of that word are written in a representation of their elements, so as to make a veritable drawing that represents the (magical) essence of that word; this is hardly possible with Greek letters (remember that Alphatians doesn't run from left to right nor right to left nor top to bottom nor bottom to top, but the symbols intermingle freely as a representation of the elemental interactions related to the word). Arguably though, mundaner A might be said to actually use Greek letters, though I'd rather have them use simpler version of the aristocratic A instead, and leave Greek to Milenian (see below for my take on the Alphatian/Milenian relationship). Alphatian also has Hebrew (esp. in its cabalistic interpretation; that cabalistic model also is plainly visible in the Herathian language which though not fully detailed is mentioned in the numeral systems article, and is quite directly based on Hebrew, just adapted to araneas) and runic elements to it, in the way it is related to their magical system (the Alphatian elements are greatly inspired from the RW runes, esp Celtic). The numeral system of Alphatian corresponds to that of Geek/Hebrew/others, both in the way it is made and in regards to cabalism. Note that Alphatian doesn't have 1000s of signs though, but only those mentioned in the article (plus a few others that are no more used); that is why I say that Alphatian doesn't resemble Assyrian (which IIRC has symbols to represent phonems, and thus yes thousands of them). But, since in aristocratic A (but nit in mundaner A) the symbols are assembled together (rather than written next to each other) and weaved into an intricate pattern, it may look like there is a large variety of symbols. <> Given the resemblances between Alphatian and Herathian, I think the link you make between them is quite welcome. The Alphatians may have had contact with the planar spiders during their early days on Old Alphatia (Alphatians do planetravel too), and that is the reason for the commonlality between their languages (esp. in the way it is connected to magic). As for Haldemar reading Herathian, I would assume that the representation of in Alphatian of "the Followers of Flame" is quite simple since it is so much dominated by flame, who is a basic element of the language. Since the Heratian language is also one of magic, the dominent element of fire/flame might resemble the Alphatian one. Ditto "Alphatia". I said I would say something about the Alphatian/Milenian relationship, so here it is. The mundane Alphatian uses a system derived from the aristocratic A, simplified to everyday use rather than magical manipulation. Somehow (I don't know how/when), the Milenian came into contact with Alphatian and used it to form their own language. They took the same letter names (and number of them, incidentally), but found the drawing of letters (even that of mundane A) too complicated for practical use and simplified them, making them into the same design as the RW Greek lettering. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:13:43 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Not to be snotty, but _please_please_please_ do not quote > the entire message and then add a "me too" at then end. > Quote only what's relevant. > > And that goes for all the other "offenders" out there. Don't > make me exile you to the Broken Lands.. :D > > Ethan Oh, I apologize for the error...normally I don't do this. Excuse moi, to everybody. I know this is especially disappointing for those who read it in Digest format... Iulius ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:53:36 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22L=F3pez_Mercader=2C_Antonio=22?= Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ><alphabet, which on Mystara is equivalent to the one used by the >Mystarans.>> >Actually RW runes are those found in the Scandinavian and Celtic = languages of >old, and are also used in magic rituals. >The MScandinavian runes can be found in Gaz7 (given by Odin to the northmen). >I'm not sure about Eusdria and Robrenn, but they may have runes too = (if they >don't, maybe they should). Possibly other Celtic peoples (like the = Dunael) may >have runes too. I am interesting in Nordmen Runes because I don't know nothing about = it. I didn't found related info if any websites. Can someone give me a link or explain who this sort of magic works? Only wizards can use it? Is used in the three nordmen countries (vestlands, ostland, sodeford)? Thanks, Antonio L=F3pez Mercader ATOS-ODS Departamento de Telecomunicaciones y Tiempo Real E-mail : alopezmr@enher.es T=E9lf.: 93.214.40.00 ext 323110 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:10:29 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: An AD&D translation of the Forester class MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Forester: an AD&D 2ed view > > The OD&D Forester class, as introduced in Dawn of the Emperors boxed > set, is a class of human fighter/mages, devoted to Ilsundal and to the > protection of the Vyalia elves. > In AD&D 2ed terms, it is rather difficult to portray this unusual > class: a fighter/mage with priest-like ethos. > This article presents three AD&D 2ed character kits, which try to grasp > the spirit, if not the letter, of the Forester class. > Nicely done! However, a close match of the forester may be possible, if using the Players Option books, also. Anyone care to try? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:46:20 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=E9=EC=EF_=F9=E7=ED?= Subject: Re: Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >1) Female wallara indeed exist, but like other lizard-kin they are more similar in appearance to males than are other female humanoids. This would suggest that they have wisps of mustaches and small breasts that are only slightly larger than those of the males -- features which would make them somewhat unattractive to non-wallara but are easily within the normal range of female humanoid appearance. Breasts? Aren't Wallara's reptilian? Wallaras (like dragons) do not = nurse thier offspring like mammals do, so they have no use to combersome = (though nice to behold) organs. =20 >2) Wallara usually reproduce in the normal manner of humanoids, but they do not nurse their young. It is just as well that they do not, as their young are born with teeth, are able to eat adult food from birth, and grow to full adult size in a single year. Wallara who are born normally may become members of any class available to wallara except for the priest (mendoo/medicine man) class. Oh, now your getting to the nursing part. What about eggs? They could be = hatched from eggs. >3) Given how quickly wallara grow, it is fortunate that they do not = reproduce too often. Unlike most other humanoids, female wallara are usually not willing and able to mate but go into "heat" once every 10-20 years. At = that point whichever male wallara has devoted the most time and attention to that female is suitably "rewarded". Barring truly bizarre = circumstances, only one male mates with a given female, and there is no doubt as to who is the father of the child that she almost inevitably gives birth to. Hmm, that sounds wierd. Maybe. >4) Wallara priests (mendoo/medicine men) are indeed easily recognized because they are made and not born. Each year, when the wallara shed their skins, they present the skins to their senior mendoo/medicine man. He then burns the skins and pours the ashes into a tub of water. If he = is still young and healthy (i.e., of less than middle age), then he is able = to drink that solution and gain a level of spellcasting ability. If he is = older and is training one or more replacements, then one of his trainees (if he is = fully trained but not yet middle-aged) drinks the solution. If the tribe has = no mendoos who can drink the solution, then the ashes coalesce into a = wallara destined to become a mendoo himself. This mendoo appears to be male in most respects but in fact is completely neuter and asexual. Wallara = mendoos are celibate but take no vows to that effect -- by their very nature = they have no choice in the matter. I like your idea, but we can add to it. Let say that the 'skining' = method is the way Mendus are created. But what about normal Wallaras? What if all Wallaras are male, but that is only a temporary state? Once every summer, a few of the males apearently at random start to = change. They grow slightly heavier and more round as they start to horde = fat.=20 The wallara's tribe keeps its metamorphesing males in a cave and guards = them, as they become vulnerable in their transitional form. Than the (self?)chosen wallara become full females and the regular males = of the tribe enter the cave and mate with them. A few month or so later = the chosen (fe)males lay eggs (one egg each). After the laying they = gradualy return to being males. The males of the tribe guard the cave = with the eggs and young untill they mature at the age of one year. This wierd process could be biologicaly successful. It happens the = oposite way in nature (females become males). And this is a fantasy = setting so anything goes... Comments? Morphail (Ohad Shaham) "Deep into the farness, peering=20 long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;" The Raven/ Edgar Allan Poe Visit the dark prince of Boldavia at- = http://www.geocities.com/morphail_o/ =20 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:29:22 PDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Eckhard Subject: CUSTOM: Dieties & Demigods / Immortals Rules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed HHHHEEELLLLLPPPPP!!! I am in a part of the campaign where I have introduced a new Immortal, and I am trying to make him "Canon" by using the Immortals rules to promote him through the ranks. However, I do not have the Immortals rules. How can I get the "quick and dirty" to work him up the ranks for when I have to explain to my group about the new Immortal in their world? I considered using the Dieties & Demigods and "winging it"; using defeated Powers to increase tis new diety's power, but I don't have that either! How can I get my hands on the basic concepts of creation/advancement without trying to find the boxed set? I am not looking to play Immortals, but merely to go through the necessary "homework" to get him created RIGHT! Can anyone help me? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:07:34 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Ostland Domains - Suddmore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And so, we arrive at Suddmore, home of Yrsa Svalasdottir's sister. This = marks the halfway point (as I've done 12 of 24 domains) in this ongoing = series. As always, this info is for AC 1000 and is meant for OD&D. = Enjoy! Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk http://www.scythe.hjem.wanadoo.dk (is where this file can also be found in the Mystara section). THE CLAN DOMAIN OF SUDDMORE Suddmore lies at the southern-most tip of Noslo Island in the Kingdom of = Ostland. It contains two hexes of heavy forest, one hex of light forest, = and one clear hex. There is a steady export of wood to other domains, = and plenty of hunting and fishing supplies the domain with food. Jarl = Gunnhild Svalasdottir detests strangers at her great hall, but they are = tolerated elsewhere in the domain. Clan Suddmore seemingly raids at = random, though they never raid Alphatian targets. Head of Domain: Jarl Gunnhild Svalasdottir rules Suddmore. Her great = hall is Suddpont. Population: 2500 people live in Havardholm. Of these 600 are thralls, = 1300 are non-warrior freemen, and 600 are warriors. 1100 people carry = arms and will fight in defense of their lands and lives. The jarl does = not keep personal thralls, and encourages her subjects to stop this as = well, but it is still practiced in most of the domain. SUDDMORE The town of Suddmore (1000 inhabitants) is a fortress of its own. The = town is walled on all sides, except towards the sea, where hidden = defenses lie beneath the waters. Gunnhild Svalasdottir's great hall is a = small keep, secured a short distance from the harbor. Guards (in groups = of six) patrol the streets, and keep the order by brutally and = efficiently imprisoning any troublemakers. GUNNHILD SVALASDOTTIR Chaotic 13th level Fighter (Str 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Dex 13, Con 16, Cha = 15, AC -4, hp 72) Personality Traits: Cautious/Rash 14/6, Generous/Greedy 5/15, = Forgiving/Vengeful 7/13, Honest/Deceitful 3/17, Trusting/Suspicious 4/16 33 years old, Blonde hair, Blue eyes Gunnhild Svalasdottir inherited the position of jarl from her mother, = Svala the Tall, 9 years ago. Gunnhild was at that time already a = proficient warrior maiden, who wanted nothing more than what was (in her = eyes) rightfully hers. Shortly after inheriting her position, she = imprisoned her half sister, Yrsa Svalasdottir, on the charges of = conspiring to depose her as clan head. While keeping Yrsa prisoner and = deciding what to do with her, Gunnhild was approached by a mysterious = mage by the name of Lazarol who made her a proposition. If she would = provide his employers with help against the Heldannic Knights, she would = in turn receive great sums of gold. After short consideration Gunnhild = accepted. In AC 993 Gunnhild led a large number of warriors against the = Heldannic town of Althaven alongside wizards of Alphatia. Though her men = detested fighting with wizards, when the Knights were routed, they = happily sacked the town, and returned home, boasting of their courage = and great victory. Gunnhild started working closely with Lazarol, though = they avoided using her warriors, since they didn't take very well to = fighting alongside Alphatian mages. Seeing an opportunity to gain more = power for her clan, Gunnhild released Yrsa, when she learned of King = Hord's admiration for the young woman. Hoping to gain a better standing = at the court, she proclaimed her love and loyalty for Yrsa, and started = to implement Yrsa's visions of change for Ostland in her own domain. = This affection is only skin-deep, however, as Gunnhild plans to be at = front whenever jarls grumble about the new policies, since she could be = able to expand her domain considerably. Meanwhile she continues to plot = with Lazarol, receiving extra revenues from Alphatia, while raiding the = enemies of Lazarol and Alphatia. In battle, Gunnhild wears a chain = mail+4, and a shield+3. She fights with a sword+4; Flaming. All of these = items are gifts from Lazarol. Gunnhild has not married, though she is courted by many. Her secret = lover is Lazarol. Gunnhild has no children, considering them a nuisance, = though she knows she eventually needs a child to carry on her line and = name. LAZAROL Chaotic 20th level Magic-User (Str 9, Int 17, Wis 15, Dex 8, Con 13, Cha = 16, AC 6, hp 39) Personality Traits: Cautious/Rash 17/3, Modest/Proud 5/15, = Generous/Greedy 6/14, Honest/Deceitful 5/15 78 years old (appears to be around 40), Black hair, Black eyes Lazarol is a Pure Alphatian, an agent of the Alphatian Court, and a = master schemer and spy. He became involved in the plots to end the = threat of the Heldannic Knights. Lazarol volunteered to attempt to gain = allies in Ostland, and after reviewing the situation in Ostland chose to = attempt to influence Gunnhild Svalasdottir. Using his natural charms and = exploiting her greed, he managed to convince her to lend him support. In = AC 993 his plans came to fruition, as Clan Suddmore fought alongside = Alphatia in their attack on Althaven. Returning from this successful = mission, Lazarol convinced his employers that he should stay in Ostland, = and spy on that nation, while looking for opportunities to further = Alphatia's goals. Lazarol eventually seduced Gunnhild and became her = lover. These days Lazarol convinces Gunnhild to raid enemies of = Alphatia, and sends any information he can get back to Alphatia. When in = Suddpont Lazarol usually appears as an Ostland warrior (using Polymorph = or illusions) to avoid trouble. He uses potions of longevity to keep his = age around 40. In combat Lazarol prefers subtle attacks and illusions to = brute force. He is not too proud to flee if in serious trouble. Lazarol = wears a Ring of Protection+4, and keeps a Ring of Invisibility on his = person. He usually carries one or two wands in case of trouble. Lazarol is married to an Alphatian woman, and spends about a week a = month at home in Sundsvall (also giving reports to his employers). He = has no children. Spells usually carried: 1st level: Analyze, Charm Person, Detect Magic, Hold Portal, Shield, = Sleep 2nd level: Entangle, ESP, Knock, Phantasmal Force (x2) 3rd level: Clairvoyance, Dispel Magic, Infravision, Protection from = Normal Missiles, Water Breathing 4th level: Confusion, Dimension Door, Polymorph Self (x2), Wizard Eye 5th level: Hold Monster, Passwall, Teleport (x2) 6th level: Geas, Invisible Stalker, Wall of Iron, Weather Control 7th level: Lore, Magic Door, Power Word Stun 8th level: Mass Charm, Travel ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:14:22 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: X7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys! Just a brief message to tell you if you're interested in getting a near mint copy of X7, War Rafts of Kron for $11.50 ($7.50 +4.00 shipping within USA), please drop me a line. First come first served. thanx! DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:09:54 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Deadly artifact for my new campaign Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My new Karameikos campaign begins this weekend, with the mentor of the players dying (of old age) and them having to step in when he's needed to prevent a sword from falling into the hands of humanoids from the former Black Eagle Barony. I'm trying to use a carrot-and-stick approach in designing this weapon, which starts off nearly useless in the hands of players, but would be deadly in the hands of evil humanoids. But I want to make the power tempting to the players, and would like to hear about any sort of temptations I could hook onto this. (And, yeah, this resembles a certain set-up that JRRT once used ...) --- REAVER Broad Sword +1, +2 versus humans, +3 versus halflings and gnomes, +4 versus elves and dwarves An extremely powerful and evil magical sword, Bargle the Infamous is alternately credited with creating this sword or merely financing its recovery from Oenkmar. Any non-demihuman bearer of this blade gains an immediate +1 to charisma in the eyes of humanoids. If they are evil or a humanoid themselves, they gain and additional +1 to charisma, cumulative. When unsheathed, the sword grants its bearer darkvision at 200' range. If the bearer is evil and of a humanoid race, it also produces a protection from good 10' radius effect. In the hands of an evil orc, ogre, bugbear, gnoll or hobgoblin, and used against humans, halflings, gnomes, elves or dwarves, Reaver acts as a vorpal blade, cutting off the victim's head on a natural 20 "to hit." When wielded by someone else, Reaver takes steps to change that; when the player whose character is using the blade rolls a 1 when attempting to hit in combat, they must make a save against spells or take one step towards becoming an evil humanoid. Elves become half-elves (one of the few ways they can appear on Mystara, incidentally); ogres become half-ogres; half-elves, half-ogres or halflings become humans; humans become half-orcs and half-orcs, gnolls and hobgoblins become orcs. Gnomes becomes kobolds, kobolds and dwarves become goblins and goblins and bugbears become hobgoblins. Characters gain all the benefits of their new race and in addition, immediately gain the ability to use the "race" language of their new race. However, they lose a randomly determined demihuman language when that happens. Once they've lost all demihuman languages, other random languages (including humanoid languages previously gained through these changes) may be replaced with the new racial tongue. After that process is eventually finished (and each step can only be undone by a remove curse, polymorph other or limited wish or wish spell), the alignment begins to change, with the good alignments becoming neutral, and neutral becoming evil. Once this process is complete, it can only be undone with a wish spell. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:24:28 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Evidence for female Wallara and a new theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-13 4:10:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ohadshm@INTER.NET.IL writes: << Breasts? Aren't Wallara's reptilian? Wallaras (like dragons) do not nurse thier offspring like mammals do, so they have no use to combersome (though nice to behold) organs. >> Yes, but they look human . Since they are as non-functional, however, I suggested that they would be on the smallish side -- just barely adequate to give them a human-like appearance. Whether they have nipples or not would depend on how hard the Great One was trying to emulate a human appearance. << Oh, now your getting to the nursing part. What about eggs? They could be hatched from eggs. >> Good point. << I like your idea, but we can add to it. Let say that the 'skining' method is the way Mendus are created. But what about normal Wallaras? What if all Wallaras are male, but that is only a temporary state? Once every summer, a few of the males apearently at random start to change. They grow slightly heavier and more round as they start to horde fat. The wallara's tribe keeps its metamorphesing males in a cave and guards them, as they become vulnerable in their transitional form. Than the (self?)chosen wallara become full females and the regular males of the tribe enter the cave and mate with them. A few month or so later the chosen (fe)males lay eggs (one egg each). After the laying they gradualy return to being males. The males of the tribe guard the cave with the eggs and young untill they mature at the age of one year. This wierd process could be biologicaly successful. It happens the oposite way in nature (females become males). And this is a fantasy setting so anything goes... Comments? >> That could work too. In that case, Woy would probably be the mother and not the father of the current leader -- there is certainly no reason to believe that the chieftains would be exempted from this process. While we are considering weird possibilities, another one to consider might be that all Wallara are born male but at some point in their lives (perhaps around middle age) become female. This scheme would result in a somewhat matriarchal society in which all females are "elders", and it would certainly explain why all Wallara adventurers are male. Another weird idea would concern the one race that would have no difficulty mating with wallara -- dragons, especially the mortal identity forms of their rulers. The offspring of such matings would of course be half-dragons of an especially formidable sort. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:38:25 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Deadly artifact for my new campaign MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-04-13 8:15:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lby3@LBY3.COM writes: << Elves become half-elves (one of the few ways they can appear on Mystara, incidentally); ogres become half-ogres; half-elves, half-ogres or halflings become humans; humans become half-orcs and half-orcs, gnolls and hobgoblins become orcs. Gnomes becomes kobolds, kobolds and dwarves become goblins and goblins and bugbears become hobgoblins. >> The transitions for the humans and demi-humans make sense, but the transitions for goblinoids seem unnecessarily complicated. It would seem that a simpler scheme might be as follows: Elf --> Half-elf --> Human --> Half-Orc --> Orc Dwarf --> Goblin Gnome --> Kobold Half-Ogre --> Ogre Goblinoids could remain unchanged unless you have a particular "target species" (orc, perhaps?) that you are aiming for -- in which case they would slip one size category in the proper direction. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:40:00 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: CUSTOM: Dieties & Demigods / Immortals Rules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > HHHHEEELLLLLPPPPP!!! > I am in a part of the campaign where I have introduced a new Immortal, and I > am trying to make him "Canon" by using the Immortals rules to promote him > through the ranks. Easiest way would be to make him an Immortal originally from another world. This would side-step the issue of ranking in the Immortal hierarchy, as you give him any level of power you want. Except reigning hierarch of course. All the increases of power etc would have happened in places other than Mystara. However, if you seek for this immortals church to be powerful, things are a little different. Best option then would be that he is worshipped as (Insert name and title of known Immortal here) on Mystara. Then again, he could be an Immortal of one or the, as yet, unknown cultures within the Hollow World. Forgotten to current Mystara until an intrepid band of adventurers either, find ancient artefacts to his worship, or find his people within the Hollow World. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:29:09 CEST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: ITALIAN GAZ. Ylaruam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi all. Is anybody interested in getting a near mint (just out of shrink-wrap) copy of Ylaruam Gazeteer in ITALIAN? Of course I would love to barter. Please answer to kaftal@hotmail.com Thanks. Federico P.S.: if this is not the "correct" way to post an announce at the Mystara-List (or else if announces are not allowed), I beg your pardon as I am new to the list: in this case I would ask the list ADMIN to tell me which is the "polite" way. Thanks for your patience. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:03:41 IDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: Re: History of Mystaran writing systems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Rune magic is a form of magic existing in the Northern Reaches (it is detailed in that Gazeteer). It can be cast by clerics of Odin, Thor, Frey, Freya, Loki and Hel. Each rune must be learned individually, after the cleric udergoes an ardous ritual, and every rune has two or three possible effects. The clerics of the abovementioned Immortals have spells which allow the identification, scribing, and use of runes. >From: "L�pez Mercader, Antonio" >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] History of Mystaran writing systems >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:53:36 +0200 > > >< >alphabet, which on Mystara is equivalent to the one used by the > >Mystarans.>> > > >Actually RW runes are those found in the Scandinavian and Celtic >languages >of > >old, and are also used in magic rituals. > >The MScandinavian runes can be found in Gaz7 (given by Odin to the >northmen). > >I'm not sure about Eusdria and Robrenn, but they may have runes too (if >they > >don't, maybe they should). Possibly other Celtic peoples (like the >Dunael) >may > >have runes too. >I am interesting in Nordmen Runes because I don't know nothing about it. I >didn't found related info if any websites. >Can someone give me a link or explain who this sort of magic works? >Only wizards can use it? >Is used in the three nordmen countries (vestlands, ostland, sodeford)? > >Thanks, > >Antonio L�pez Mercader >ATOS-ODS >Departamento de Telecomunicaciones y Tiempo Real >E-mail : alopezmr@enher.es >T�lf.: 93.214.40.00 ext 323110 > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:10:51 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: Nothmen Runes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii <> The runes given the northmen by Odin are described in Gaz7, with rules for using them. If you want info on RW runes, I suggest you run a search on AltaVista - the info is certainly there. If you want, I still have the copy of a few files I used for ideas for my article in the Tome, though I think they mostly concern Celtic runes. Email me personnally. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:17:00 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Albert Edward Capt 552 CSG/SCXX Subject: Re: Nothmen Runes Isn't there something about rune magic or rune casters in the Humanoids Handbook or something. There was a set of FR novels that featured a rune caster, and I know that I've seen the rules for rune magic somewhere. ASEO out -----Original Message----- From: Herve Musseau [mailto:hmusseau@YAHOO.COM] <> ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:45:40 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: An AD&D translation of the Forester class MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul George Dooley wrote: > > > Forester: an AD&D 2ed view > > [...] > > > Nicely done! Thanks. > However, a close match of the forester may be possible, if using the Players > Option books, also. Anyone care to try? > Actually, I used a bit of PO for the Bard kit, when I selected the replacement special abilities. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:10:48 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Derek Adam Subject: Re: Nothmen Runes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You both seem to be confused, citing multiple unrelated references, but that's okay as there are multiple unrelated examples of runes in Mystara. =;) Rune magic in the Northlands (Ostland, Vestland & Soderfjord) is very special clerical magic. The Northland legend goes that Odin hung on the World Tree, Yggdrasil (sp?), and thereby gained deep insight into the universe. The product of that was the 24 Power Runes, each of which has different powers, and most of which have multiple powers. A Northland cleric that has a power-rune inscribed object can cast Bless Rune (2nd level spell) and briefly invoke one of its powers. For Northland clerics (only!) to learn a power rune, they must be able to cast the 3rd level spell Know Rune. This is a prerequisite for casting Inscribe Rune (3rd), but not Bless Rune (2nd). Casting Know Rune requires going through a ritual that "kills" them. (I think they actually just take a poison that leaves them catatonic for a week or so, but I can't remember for sure. Also, each Northland cult has a different ritual.) At the end of it another cleric has to cast a bunch of specific healing magic to bring them back to "life," the caster loses a permanent point of Constitution, and he gains knowledge of how to inscribe one power rune (usually, but not necessarily, the one he wanted -- DM's discretion). I can't list all 24 runes and their powers for you, as I'm at work and don't have my source material. Perhaps someone else has Gaz 7 handy? Besides, they're less interesting when you can't see what they look like. =;) The other kind of Rune Magic I know about in Mystara is a Secret Craft of Glantri. The details of that are in Gaz 3 (Principalities of Glantri). Suffice it to say that those special powers are exclusive to mages in Glantri, and even then very few even know *of* them, let alone /have/ them. You have to study at the Great School of Magic, learn of the school, discover someone in the craft who could sponsor you in the craft, and then bribe them with money, spells, promises, power, ... whatever it takes. At the 5th Circle ability (Rune Master - head of the Craft) you can research the rune for another person, and then use it to know the thoughts and spells of that person. I regret that I don't remember any of the lower Circle abilities. There are lots of Glantri fans on the list, though. Perhaps they can tell you about them. Anyway, that's pretty far removed from the Northlands. That's all I can think of, just now. I don't remember anything in Gaz 10 (Orcs of Thar) about runes. I think Edward Albert is just mis-remembering that. Cheers, Derek Quoting Albert Edward Capt 552 CSG/SCXX : > Isn't there something about rune magic or rune > casters in the Humanoids Handbook or something. > There was a set of FR novels that featured a rune > caster, and I know that I've seen the rules for rune > magic somewhere. > > ASEO out > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herve Musseau [mailto:hmusseau@YAHOO.COM] > > < know nothing about it. I didn't found related info > if any websites. Can someone give me a link or > explain who this sort of magic works? Only wizards > can use it? Is used in the three nordmen countries > (vestlands, ostland, sodeford)?>> > ----------------------------------------------------- This mail was sent through Uniserve's Web Mail at https://members.uniserve.ca/mail/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:56:56 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: FLUFF: XL1 Quest for the Heartstone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Any of these names ring a bell? Strongheart, Ringlerun, Zerek(?), Warduke, Pearlay, Elkhorn... They are detailed in a special section of XL1: Quest for the Heartstone. I remember buying a couple of these action figures, they rocked! Since I read about this product in two Mystara based websites, you all get to ponder on this one, heh heh ; ) Some of these action figures also made appearances in something we may remember Saturday morning around 84-86. That's right, the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS CARTOON!! Yeah, admit it, you were glued to that TV screen too... Although I am opening a can of carrion crawlers, I propose a contest! It will give us a break from hostile discussions about intrigue and what-not. Winner is person with best answers to these questions: 1) Although I found the referring module reviewed as an oD&D product on a Mystara site (not FR or GH oriented AD&D canon), can anyone recall any direct or implicit Mystara references? (Though Tiamat is a recurring supporting character, and Lolth did make an appearance in one episode) 2) Any brave souls care to come forth with their interpretation for Hank/Ranger, Sheila/Thief, Eric/Cavalier, Bobby/Barbarian, Hank/Magician, that really cool Diana/Acrobat girl with the javelin thingie, and of course, Uni, in D&D character format? 3) Anyone care to guess what exactly was Venger? His servant, Shadow Demon must have been a invisible stalker or aerial servant... Monster, NPC, or Immortal stats for both baddies, please. 4) And the final prize... stats for the diminutive, wisdom-sprouting Dungeon Master. What the hell is he? Immortal? Avatar/Being of Upper Plane? Power-enhanced being of unknown species and unusual age who "Jedi I have taught for 800 years"? What? Yeah, 'ol DM hinted at having some type of familial bond with Venger in the later episodes... BONUS) best gaming stats/magical properties of the kids' magic weapons and the additional ones from that killer "Dragon's Graveyard" episode. Any takers? -o "Warduke was the baddest" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.