========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:07:30 CEST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Dreams/Nightmares Schools, and Scholars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed The Guardians of the Dark Portal may take their time to accomplish their deeds. The Mightiest of Ancients know what the word "wait" means. However, They will reward each of their servants accordingly... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:38:13 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darth Darknerd wrote: > I came up with a few explanations... >=20 > - Because of the many natural elemental vortexes (from 3rd green D&D > boxed set), the climates are different. Arid just briefly south, > but colder in the Northern Reaches, yet warmer in parts and > pockets of Norwold. I know that this might seem like an unsatisfactory explanation (always = blame it on magic), but I think it's the likely one. Ylaruam is subject = to magic that makes it arid. Alfheim is/was subject to magic that = increased rainfalls. The Atruaghin Plateau isn't natural IIRC. And the = list probably goes on. From the descriptions of the seasonal weather in = GAZ7, the Northern Reaches don't seem like a very nice place to spend = your winters. I don't know whether this is realistic at their latitude = but if it isn't then your explanation probably applies. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:44:43 CEST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Max Monas Subject: Re: BirthRight Downloads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I just noticed that all the Birthright material is downloadable. I >certainly hope that someday all of Mystara material can be downloadable as >well. > Could you please tell me where I can find this stuff? I would like to try to mix some of the birthright stuff into the Mystara setting (once they have become important enough in the world to have baronies etc.). I'll just try and see if it works. Thanks, Max ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:08:27 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: BirthRight Downloads MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I eagerly await the day! > I just noticed that all the Birthright material is downloadable. I certainly hope that someday all of Mystara material can be downloadable as well. > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:13:30 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: BirthRight Downloads MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-06-14 9:57:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, darknerd@HOTBOT.COM writes: << I just noticed that all the Birthright material is downloadable. I certainly hope that someday all of Mystara material can be downloadable as well. >> I don't think all of it is -- just the material that was scheduled for publication when they canceled the line. Mystara is actually ahead of Birthright in that respect. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:40:41 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some people though prefer a sense of realism. > I try to have a little realism in order to > capture the spirit and environment of Norse > Mythology, lore, and culture. I also desire to > provide a non-laughable setting for the players. Realism, Schmealism! All you need is to ensure 'Suspension of Disbelief' in your players. ;^) Given the choice between playing characters based on RW, or those based on the Sagas and legends most will prefer the latter IMO. It's not much fun to play a man dying because he got a splinter in his hand. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:08:27 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >This was my problem. I had one player, already critical about Mystara, > question about the logic of Norse being so far south and also in general > question the overall map scale of the Known World. > > What a peach this player sounds like. > NO! All they're doing is demanding that fantasy meshes with their perception of reality. IIrc they still lock you up in a rubber room for that! :^) (Why Al-Kalim doesn't > turn Ylaruam into the Desert Garden, though, is beyond me, in this case.) > We always suspected that there may have been one Immortal who followed the 'No direct interference on the Prime' rule. Looks like we have a winner. He could be busy arranging with the Elemasters for the portals to be opened from the needed Elemental planes, and is working out how to do it the most effective and least invasive way. Actually, if we backdate this to the same time as the Shadowelves were twisting Alfheim, this could explain why Ilsundal and Meliadin dropped the ball. There were too many different attacks taking place at once, each insufficient to cause harm but collectively the result was as we now know. All Al-Kalim did was get some elementals to dam up a couple of outlets into the Canolbarth at the Plane of Water end. Perhaps Ylaraum is beginning to bloom again! :^) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:29:35 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Neal Subject: new site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanx Havard i appreciate the help. Neal ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:07:51 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Darth Darknerd wrote: > - Because of the many natural elemental vortexes (from 3rd green D&D > boxed set), the climates are different. Arid just briefly south, > but colder in the Northern Reaches, yet warmer in parts and > pockets of Norwold. IMC the colder climate of the Northern Reaches is a side effect of the unsually warm climate of the Ylaruam desert. The Ylaruam climate was explained in Dragon Magazine as a result of seeds or gates from the elemental plane of fire far below the desert. > - The map scale is actually larger. (This allows the GM to add more > depth to each hex, such as villages, etc.) This might get you in trouble later when using the continent maps... H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:15:19 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000614235709.007a9b90@10.1.1.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > If the Immortals are lobbing giant meteors at Glantri and sinking > Alphatia, isn't it probable that someone has messed with air and water > currents something fierce, purposefully or otherwise? (Why Al-Kalim doesn't > turn Ylaruam into the Desert Garden, though, is beyond me, in this case.) Read the Dune-novels by Frank Herbert. :) In those books they begin to turn the desert planet into a more habitable climate. This results in the decline and corruption of the noble Fremen desert people. The Dream of the Desert is what makes the Ylari what they are. A fullfillment of the dream would destroy them. At least untill they are ready... H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:19:41 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Grens: Source of Blackmoor technology In-Reply-To: <4e.6e81f65.26799878@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Wizards Shopper wrote: > Either they lived in an alternate dimension where magic does not work, or > in the galaxy of Mystara magic works only near Mystara. The problem is > that the inherent weakness of the Grens in regard to magical and psionic > abilities would give them problems if they lived in a region of space where > such things worked. My theory is that near the core of the galaxy, magic is so powerful that anyone with a magic talent automatically overheats and his killed by his own affinity to magic. Thus only those resistant to magic can survive. IMC psionics is not linked to magic and the Gren should therefore not have a weakness to such abilities. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:38:26 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Grens: Source of Blackmoor technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H=E5vard wrote: > >IMC psionics is not linked to magic and the Gren should therefore not >h= ave a weakness to such abilities. There's actually "canon" support for that theory. In DA3: City of the god= s, the background section mentions something to that effect. It talks about = how the FSS Beagle discovered that the natives of Mystara had some strange energy-manipulation abilities that were revealed *not* to be psychic in origin, and were termed "magic" by the crew (due to their inability to scientifically explain them.) So the Federation has at least a passing familiarity with psionics- enough to be able to identify them, if not act= ually make use of them themselves. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:02:54 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: BirthRight Downloads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds interesting. It would be interesting to add some of the bloodline powers into Mystara. It would add a Highlander-ish element to Mystara. Also, the same type of rules could be applied to Vampires, as they could have blood powers. To make matters intersting, I wonder if there could be some adaptation to have some RedSteel and blood powers cross. That would be interesting. To make things more twisted, one can monster creation rules of Ravenloft (Undead and Werewolves via netbook), where one uses proficiencies for powers and also negative traits which grant further proficiencies. ciao, Joaquin PS - Check out the link at http://www.wizards.com/dnd/DnD_BR.asp --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:44:43 Max Monas wrote: >>I just noticed that all the Birthright material is downloadable. I >>certainly hope that someday all of Mystara material can be downloadable as >>well. >> > >Could you please tell me where I can find this stuff? I would like to try to >mix some of the birthright stuff into the Mystara setting (once they have >become important enough in the world to have baronies etc.). I'll just try >and see if it works. >Thanks, > >Max >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:08:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:57:09 Beau Yarbrough wrote: >At 23:46 6/14/00 -0700, Darth Darknerd wrote: > >>This was my problem. I had one player, already critical about Mystara, >question about the logic of Norse being so far south and also in general >question the overall map scale of the Known World. > > What a peach this player sounds like. > >>I was caught off guard and I did not know what to say. I thought about >it, and I felt that it was awkward, and I wondered why would the Norse live >so far south anyhow; How can they fit in such a small landscape. Also, the >climate is important in producing various cultures. This is the reason, >Vikings didn't wear togas or wear turbans. This is the reason Ylari don't >run around in full plate. >> >>So I was faced between maintain the integrity of Mystara, but yet still >having realism, and including RealWorld elements that make spirit the >Viking lore and Norse mythology thriving in the campaign. >> >>I came up with a few explanations... >> >> - The Northern Reaches are actually previous colonies. The real >> Vikings are still up North. ("real" meaning closer to artic >> climate Vikings of RW) >> - There are still Vikings in Norwold, though subjugated by >> Alphatians. >> - Because of the many natural elemental vortexes (from 3rd green D&D >> boxed set), the climates are different. Arid just briefly south, >> but colder in the Northern Reaches, yet warmer in parts and >> pockets of Norwold. > > This is what makes the most sense to me. In a world where the most >important prehistoric events are UFOs crashing into the world and >explosions shifting the planet on its axis, it's hard to overlook the >world-altering effects of the supernatural and fantastic. > If the Immortals are lobbing giant meteors at Glantri and sinking >Alphatia, isn't it probable that someone has messed with air and water >currents something fierce, purposefully or otherwise? (Why Al-Kalim doesn't >turn Ylaruam into the Desert Garden, though, is beyond me, in this case.) > To me Ylaruam is the whole problem in this discussion, because it just shouldn't be there! If we ignore Ylaruam, the rest of the nations aren't so illogical, so why is warm, dry Ylaruam right there in the middle? Well, IMC there are three primary reason: 1: The Nithians cast forbidden magic (Defiling magic!) which killed off all the vegetation, and slowly turned their land into a desert (much like the world of Athas in the Dark Sun campaign!) 2: The Immortals were furious at this, and they made the climate warm, so that the land of the defilers would not be inhabited again. They placed the Bead of Oblivion to prevent mortals to discover much about the Nithians and their horrible betrayal of nature, but they also made sure that nobody could live there by simply making it too warm! 3: Along comes Alfheim with all its wonderful magic. A forest cannot grow where Alfheim is created, but the elves' tree-magic creates enough moisture for the forest to grow anyway... Only they do this by stealing, perhaps without realizing it, the water that should otherwise have made Ylaruam fertile... A possible fourth reason is that this is what Al-Kalim wants, but it's a poor explanation when you consider the relatively short time Al-Kalim has been an Immortal (besides, saying 'this is what God wants' always seems to be a rather poor explanation IMHO). Just a few thoughts... - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:09:50 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the changed topic of Ylaruam, it looks like something just completely gauged out the whole value. The Nithians were whiped out, but it looks like the Immortals really did a number on these lands. The resulting change is still in affect to this very day. Also, think about Alfheim. Perhaps when you add water one place, you take away water another place?!? Makes sense? Before elves there was just barrain planes. --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:08:27 Paul George Dooley wrote: >> >This was my problem. I had one player, already critical about Mystara, >> question about the logic of Norse being so far south and also in general >> question the overall map scale of the Known World. >> >> What a peach this player sounds like. >> > NO! All they're doing is demanding that fantasy meshes with their >perception of reality. IIrc they still lock you up in a rubber room for >that! :^) > >(Why Al-Kalim doesn't >> turn Ylaruam into the Desert Garden, though, is beyond me, in this case.) >> > We always suspected that there may have been one Immortal who followed >the 'No direct interference on the Prime' rule. Looks like we have a winner. > He could be busy arranging with the Elemasters for the portals to be >opened from the needed Elemental planes, and is working out how to do it the >most effective and least invasive way. Actually, if we backdate this to the >same time as the Shadowelves were twisting Alfheim, this could explain why >Ilsundal and Meliadin dropped the ball. There were too many different >attacks taking place at once, each insufficient to cause harm but >collectively the result was as we now know. All Al-Kalim did was get some >elementals to dam up a couple of outlets into the Canolbarth at the Plane >of Water end. > Perhaps Ylaraum is beginning to bloom again! :^) > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:54:11 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kinda weird question here, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how= to create a Mystaran clock? I was looking around the 'net for clocks, calend= ars, etc that might be customizable, or pages that talked about programming something like that, but haven't been able to find anything thus far. Jus= t curious if anyone more technically minded than me might have some additio= nal suggestions... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:56:20 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Re: Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day... In-Reply-To: <20000615235411.3377.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 19:54 06/15/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Kinda weird question here, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how to >create a Mystaran clock? I was looking around the 'net for clocks, calendars, >etc that might be customizable, or pages that talked about programming >something like that, but haven't been able to find anything thus far. Just >curious if anyone more technically minded than me might have some additional >suggestions... I've done the most basic work on a Javascript "today's date" doohickey: http://www.LBY3.com/dnd/ -- and yes, I know the site is exceedingly primitive. It's not meant for anything other than giving campaign information to my players. And, yes, I know the Mystaran month is 28 days each. I don't know the Javascript needed to cause all values over 28 to read 28. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:03:46 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day... In-Reply-To: Andrew Theisen's message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:54:11 EDT" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Andrew Theisen writes: > Kinda weird question here, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how to > create a Mystaran clock? What are you looking for? I could come up with formula which would map normal time to Mystaran time, if you chose a starting normal date to map to some starting Mdate. Then you could sub it into any clock that you had the source to, quite easily. (Ah, if only I had my computer....) Or maybe you were thinking of something else? (Now, that would be a fun project. Modify the Palm date book to keep time Mystara-like. I'm pretty sure the source is available through the dev-program....) -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 148 days, 13 hours, 34 minutes, 41 seconds till we run away. I've always considered statesmen to be more expendable than soldiers. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:05:38 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: [ELECTION] Speaking of time: voting ends tomorrow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Voting ends 8pm Mountain time Tomorrow (June 16th). (Leroy: Sorry if this post is out of line, but I wouldn't want a bad turnout because people put it off and forgot the deadline.) -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 148 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, 5 seconds till we run away. Logic is the chastity belt of the mind! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:25:48 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: [Q] Viking lands too small? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-06-15 2:55:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lby3@LBY3.COM writes: << If the Immortals are lobbing giant meteors at Glantri and sinking Alphatia, isn't it probable that someone has messed with air and water currents something fierce, purposefully or otherwise? (Why Al-Kalim doesn't turn Ylaruam into the Desert Garden, though, is beyond me, in this case.) >> That one is easy -- Al-Kalim is only an Initiate, so it will take him a lot of work to undo the work of the more powerful Immortals who created the Ylari desert in the first place. In a message dated 2000-06-15 3:39:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scythe@WANADOO.DK writes: << I know that this might seem like an unsatisfactory explanation (always blame it on magic), but I think it's the likely one. Ylaruam is subject to magic that makes it arid. Alfheim is/was subject to magic that increased rainfalls. The Atruaghin Plateau isn't natural IIRC. And the list probably goes on. From the descriptions of the seasonal weather in GAZ7, the Northern Reaches don't seem like a very nice place to spend your winters. I don't know whether this is realistic at their latitude but if it isn't then your explanation probably applies. >> I suspect that the Northern Reaches are among the few regions that have proper climates for their latitudes. They seem to be every bit as chilly as Glantri, which is located mostly to the west of the Northern Reaches. Of course, all those regions of unnatural weather must have had some impact on the remaining "natural" regions. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:24:59 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Grens: Source of Blackmoor technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-06-15 12:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO writes: << IMC psionics is not linked to magic and the Gren should therefore not have a weakness to such abilities. >> Actually the Gamma World connection is my primary reason for denying the Grens access to psionics. A major characteristic of the Grens/PSHs is a near total immunity to the sort of genetic damage that causes mutations -- and by definition in the Gamma World setting psionics would equate to mental mutations. Thus, Grens cannot be psionic. If you want psionic Grens, you would have to drop that feature of their "backstory". In a message dated 2000-06-15 12:39:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cthulhudrew@USA.NET writes: << So the Federation has at least a passing familiarity with psionics- enough to be able to identify them, if not actually make use of them themselves. >> I have no problem with them being familiar with psionics -- I think I mentioned in my "history" that they purged all mutants from among their numbers so that only those who were resistant to mutation continued to reproduce. By the reasoning cited above, that resistance to mutation would imply a similar level of resistance to acquiring psionic abilities. On the other hand, it appears that some of the Beagle's crew in DA2 were able to become clerics, while the Emerondians had druids, so I made an exception for them in regard to priestly magic. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:29:29 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Leroy Van Camp III Subject: [ADMIN] Election: Voting Ends Tomorrow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that the voting process ends tomorrow. I encourage anyone who hasn't voted to do so. Below are the rules of the election... 1) Votes must be for one of the following candidates: Alan Shutko Geoff Gander Gordon McCormick 2) One vote per person. 3) All votes must be sent to me (malacoda@uswest.net), not the list. Votes sent to the list will be ignored. 4) All votes should have ... [VOTE] MML Election ...as the subject header. Those without it will be ignored. This may seem a bit hard-assed, but it will help insure votes don't get lost in my standard deluge of e-mail (I get around 400+ a day) 5) Votes must be sent from the account that you are subscribed to the list with. I will be using the current subscriber list to track votes, and votes from addresses not on that list will be ignored. This is simply to help avoid any potential ballot stuffing, as unlikely as that really is. This also means that anyone not subscribed when I pull the list will not be able to vote. 6) Nominees can vote as well. I get to vote, too, of course. 7) The voting starts now (6/9/00) and ends in one week (8 p.m. Mountain time, 6/16/00). The winner will be announced a while after that, depending on how many votes I need to calculated. 8) The winner will be the person with the most votes, regardless of how close it comes. In the case of a tie, we'll figure something out. All numbers will be posted (though numbers only, not who voted for who). That's it. I encourage everyone to vote, even you lurkers. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@uswest.net http://www.users.uswest.net/~malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html ICQ #20039817 "My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. What the heck. Had a couple myself." Earl, Red Meat ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:26:47 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: [ELECTION] Speaking of time: voting ends tomorrow In-Reply-To: ; from ats@ACM.ORG on Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 10:05:38PM -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 10:05:38PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote: > Voting ends 8pm Mountain time Tomorrow (June 16th). Don't you get the feeling that this election needs a Swingometer? :) Hmm, maybe not... gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:36:17 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Laszko van Kessel (BCN)" Subject: Re: Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day.. . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Kinda weird question here, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how to create a Mystaran clock? << I created a javascript to present the Mystaran months related to our months. I kind of "tackled" the 28 days problem and added the weekdays and some important Darokinian dates. Check it out at: http://www.xs4al.nl/~enee Laszko ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:04:20 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day.. . In-Reply-To: <37E6C96719D3D211B11D0008C75DD5EA015C5895@enlrynt303.dsn.ericsson.se>; from laszko.van.kessel@BCN.ERICSSON.SE on Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 09:36:17AM +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 09:36:17AM +0200, Laszko van Kessel (BCN) wrote: > >> > Kinda weird question here, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how to create a Mystaran clock? > << > > I created a javascript to present the Mystaran months related to our months. I kind of "tackled" the 28 days problem and added the weekdays and some important Darokinian dates. > > Check it out at: > http://www.xs4al.nl/~enee I get a DNS lookup error for this site. If you are or know the sys admin, you might want to correct this. Alternatively, post the actual IP number. Error is: The dnsserver returned: DNS Domain 'www.xs4al.nl' is invalid: Host not found (authoritative). -- "Women. The best thing since the Nova spell" [Lynard] knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au Home page: http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ finger -l for pgp public key ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:30:28 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another question regarding time: how are the time zones of Mystara divided (at least from Savage Coast to Skothar)? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:00:57 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Another question regarding time: how are the time zones of Mystara divided (at > least from > Savage Coast to Skothar)? Well, from the PWAs... 9am 11am Noon 1pm 2pm 3pm Slagovich Glantri City Thyatis Dunadale Edairo Yannivey Islands Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:13:35 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The confused Captain asked: > Another question regarding time: how are the time zones of Mystara = divided (at > least from Savage Coast to Skothar)? All the information I've got regarding this comes from the Western Trail = Map for Mystara where it states: SOLAR TIME Time 10:00 AM Sind Desert, central point 11:00 AM Port Tenobar, Known World 11:30 AM Specularum, Known World Noon Thyatis, Known World 12:30 PM Oceansend, Norwold 01:00 PM Dunadale, Isle of Dawn 02:00 PM Sundsvall, Central Alphatia Notice that the clock is centered on Thyatis... Probably someone else has actually figured out the time zones according = to the longitudes given on the OuterWorld map included in the RC or the = HW. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:52 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Laszko van Kessel (BCN)" Subject: Re: Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day.. . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OOOPS, missed 1 L, the correct url is http://www.xs4all.nl/~enee Laszko -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Butcher [mailto:knight@UCC.GU.UWA.EDU.AU] Sent: vrijdag 16 jun 2000 11:04 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Ticking away; the moments that make up a dull day.. . On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 09:36:17AM +0200, Laszko van Kessel (BCN) wrote: > >> > Kinda weird question here, but does anyone have any suggestions as to how to create a Mystaran clock? > << > > I created a javascript to present the Mystaran months related to our months. I kind of "tackled" the 28 days problem and added the weekdays and some important Darokinian dates. > > Check it out at: > http://www.xs4al.nl/~enee I get a DNS lookup error for this site. If you are or know the sys admin, you might want to correct this. Alternatively, post the actual IP number. Error is: The dnsserver returned: DNS Domain 'www.xs4al.nl' is invalid: Host not found (authoritative). -- "Women. The best thing since the Nova spell" [Lynard] knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au Home page: http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ finger -l for pgp public key ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:23:27 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: Mystara FAQ v7.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mystara FAQ version 7.10 by Herv� Musseau The latest version of this document can be found at http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/Mystara/mystfaq.txt Table of contents: Introduction to Mystara. (no updates) Geography and History of Mystara. (no updates) Personalities and Immortals of Mystara. (7.9 fixed a typo, 7.10 changed Dragon article URL) Miscellaneous. (7.7 added Mystara chat link, 7.8 added French Mystara Mailing List link, 7.10 changed all TSR links, 7.10 changed MML subscription procedure and archive link) Spoiler warning: This FAQ contains information that is for the DM's eyes only. If you are a player in a Mystara campaign, by reading further you may spoil the fun of having to figure things out (especially if you read most of section 3 and part of section 4). If you intend to read the FAQ nonetheless, I advise you do not read the answers before asking yourself whether you should know the answer in-game or not, and skip it if need be. Introduction to Mystara. Q: What is Mystara? A: Mystara is an imaginary world created by TSR as a campaign world for roleplaying games using the rules of Dungeons and Dragons. Q: What is a roleplaying game? A: Roleplaying games are games in which people play the role of imaginary fantastic characters like warriors or wizards and try to complete an adventure under the guidance of a game master. Q: I never heard of Mystara, but I know a setting called the Known World which looks pretty the same. What's the difference? A: Mystara got a name as a world only recently; before that, it was often referred to as the Known World, although Mystara is more than just the Known World. Geography and History of Mystara. Q: So, what's Mystara? The Known World and what else? A: Mystara is basically composed of 2 main parts, the Outer World and the Hollow World, plus 2 moons, and some other exotic settings. Q: A Hollow World? A: Yes. Mystara, unlike our earth, is hollow, an empty sphere. It has an internal sun that lights the interior world, making it inhabitable. It holds old civilizations that are now extinct on the Outer World, placed there by the Immortals with strong magic preventing them from evolving much or dying away. The only entrances to the Hollow World are through underground passages between the two worlds, and through the holes that stand in place of the north and south poles. Q: And the Outer World? A: The Outer World is mostly like our Earth. It comprises: * the Known World (now called Old World), where the most civilized countries are located, * Alphatia (only before AC 1009), * the Savage Coast and Hule, * the southern continent, called Davania, * the eastern continent, called Skothar. Q: Why is Alphatia part of Mystara only up to AC 1009? A: Because Alphatia, which is a large continent east of the Known World, sank into the ocean in AC 1009, at the end of the major event called Wrath of the Immortals. It is now a floating continent located in the Hollow World. Q: What exactly is Wrath of the Immortals? A: Wrath of the Immortals (or WotI) is an epic campaign that TSR published to update the Known World. It deals with the Great War that involves the major countries of Mystara and that was caused by the Immortals to obtain control of the Nucleus of the Spheres, a powerful artifact located under Glantri. At the end of the war, Alphatia sinks, Glantri and Thyatis have suffered dramatically from the conflict and three new powers enter the political scene of Mystara: the Heldannic Territories, the Hagiarchy of Hule and the "revamped" Kingdom of Karameikos. Q: On the continental map published in the Master DM's book, there are some empires I've never read anything about in other products and on the list, like the Empire of Dorphin IV or the Empire of the Great Khan. Do they exist? Where can I find information about these? A: The map in the Master set is "wrong, wrong, wrong!" In the series of articles written by Bruce Heard in Dragon Magazine, the first in the series (Dragon #153) explains this all. The map was released by a very imaginative Thyatian, and wrongly accepted for the truth. There is no Empire of Dorphin IV, no Empire of the Great Khan, etc. Also, as you probably guessed, the size of the Thyatian Empire was largely exaggerated on this map... Q: I've already heard of the Known World, and of the Hollow World too, but never as Mystara. What does all this mean? A: This is because Mystara is a very old world, one of the oldest created by TSR, and, as TSR grew, so did Mystara. All of these product lines are relevant to Mystara: * Mystara, of course, * the Known World and most stuff that were made for D&D (as opposed to AD&D) like these old good modules B and X, or the Gazetteers, * the Hollow World, * Red Steel/the Savage Coast, * Blackmoor. Also, some products bearing the label First Quest are related to Mystara. Q: Blackmoor? I know a Blackmoor, but it's part of Greyhawk, isn't it? A: Blackmoor was, like Greyhawk, the campaign world of one of TSR's founder, Dave Arneson. It was later placed in both Greyhawk and the Known World (as a past kingdom in the later), effectively making three Blackmoors exist. It seems there is no further relation between the two Blackmoors of Mystara and Greyhawk, however, although some people made the assumption; on the other hand, Judge's Guild's Blackmoor likely has much in common with Mystara's, as the DA series for the Known World was also written by Dave Arneson (so that JG First Fantasy Campaign is considered Mystara-relevant). Q: Where is it located? A: Blackmoor was a techno-magical kingdom that blew itself up a few millennia ago. The event shifted the planet's axis and Blackmoor is now the north pole. Sources are contradictory as to where Blackmoor stands; some place it on Brun, some on Skothar. Arguments in favor of Brun are the position of the Inn Between the Worlds and the Nucleus of the Sphere, and the fact that the Known World stands there; this is the solution proposed in some Gazetteers. Arguments in favor of Skothar are its sort of canonical status, and the feeling that all civilizations should not systematically come from the Known World; this is the solution proposed in the Hollow World box. Note that, if you consider the Hollow World solution to be the truth in your campaign, the map in the box does have a typo : the names of Blackmoor and Thonia have been reversed (Blackmoor was north of the Empire of Thonia according to all other sources). Bruce Heard's opinion on this matter : "Blackmoor -- the travelling legend. If there were archaeologist on Mystara, they would have a devil of time figuring where the darn place was really located. Officially, it's supposed to be up there by the Thonian Marches. Unfortunately, conflicting info has crept into several products, getting in the way of the Thonian theory. The best thing is to assume evidence of Blackmoor's presence elsewhere is the result of later colonizations and outposts. Other communities were also magically displaced (such as a certain ancient tavern in the Broken Lands of the Known World). Definitely a messy development of the World of Mystara! :)" So officially the answer is Skothar. Q: Ok, and now what's Red Steel? A: Red Steel is a setting that is part of Mystara (west of the Known World), although it was released as a stand-alone setting. Personalities and Immortals of Mystara. Q: I have a player of the Church of Karameikos, and I want to give him an Immortal, I suppose that it's a church with many Immortals (like the Greek / Latin church) but in Gaz 1 I didn't find any list of Immortals... A: These are the immortals of the Church of Karameikos, as told by Bruce Heard in an old Dragon Magazine: Asterius (Eternal of Thought), Leader Kagyar (Eternal of Matter) Ilsundal (Hierarch of Thought) Valerias (Hierarch of Matter) Vanya (Empyreal of Time). Also, although Chardastes is a native Traladaran Immortal, he is venerated through the auspices of the Church of Karameikos, not the Church of Traladara. This is extrapolated from info in B1-9 In Search of Adventure. The Immortals of the Church of Traladara are: Halav Petra Zirchev. Q: You spoke of Immortals, what are they? Are they Gods? Powers? A: Mystara has a different pantheon when compared to other D&D settings. Most notably, it has no gods, but beings called Immortals. Immortals are mortals who, through their deeds, have reached a higher status granting them more power than mere mortals. Basically, however, Immortals are not very different from Gods of other settings. Q: Is Jaggar von Drachenfelds the Star Dragon? A: No. According to Bruce Heard's article in Dragon #170 http://dnd.starflung.com/immguard.html he became the Star Dragon for a brief period but relinquished the title for absolution. Q: Is Rad gone after Wrath? A: No, he's been absorbed into the Radiance, and some of his life force was used to lessen the drain of the artifact on Mystara's magic (thus there is only a Day of Dread each year, and not a week as in Wrath). Rad is not dead though, but he has been put into a slumbering state to reflect on his deeds (and hopefully change). This is covered in detail in the module Mark of Amber. Q: So is Rad back after Mark of Amber? A: The outcome of the module may vary from campaign to campaign, as the actions of the PCs decide his fate. The module's three outcomes are: 1. He returns as a mortal with no chance of being sponsored back to Immortality and no access to the Radiance (failure); 2. He returns as a mortal but can become an Immortal again sometime (normal success and most likely outcome); 3. He returns as a full Immortal (complete success). Later products avoid the issue, and the general consensus is that he should return but be left in the background, keeping low profile for some time, either rebuilding his following (if an Immortal) or attempting to reach Immortality again (if mortal). Few favor him becoming a mere mortal as most love him as an NPC. Q: Does the Radiance draw from Energy or Entropy after Wrath? A: In Wrath, the Radiance is altered to draw from Entropy instead of Energy. Yet in Glantri: Kingdom of Magic, the rules for the Radiance are exactly the same as in Gaz3, stating that it drains from Energy. This is a mistake in G:KoM; the authors overlooked that event in Wrath and forgot to update the info from Gaz3. Thus the new rules for the Radiance are undefined, as are the effects of Entropy-draining. Various suggestion have been made on the MML, though. Q: Where is Teldon? Is he dead? A: This is a short excerpt from Dragon Magazine #207 about Teldon's fate: "One of the attractions of the Magicians' Guild, its location in Karameikos' largest city, was its downfall. Such a collection of powerful (and often egotistical or secretive) mages in one location created great potential for conflict. The final straw was the creation of a mechanical beholder by one of the more advanced apprentices, powered by an Immortal's artifact. The resulting creation was turned loose in downtown Specularum, leveling a good section of the South End. The creation was defeated by the head of the Magicians' Guild, Teldon, but at great cost. Both mage and monster disappeared in a pure white ball of fire, and while they are assumed to have both been destroyed, they may instead have been teleported to some far-off location. The fact remained that the Magicians' Guild proved itself too dangerous to remain in Specularum, and lost one of its most valuable supporters." Q: And Bargle, where is he? A: After the fall of the Black Eagle Barony, Bargle is an itinerant villain that pops up here and there. He can easily be used as a recurring villain who the PCs bump into way too often (to their taste). He has been spotted in various place, including Esterhold and Serraine (always helping the evil guys, of course), but can have business just anywhere you wish. Well, good ole Bargle. Q: Is Kol a Shadow Elf or a Kobold? A: Earlier sources always presented Kol as a kobold who, using the rules from Gaz10, could cast spells. In Glantri: Kingdom of Magic, he is said to be one of the deformed shadowelf babies raised by the humanoids, thus explaining both his high intelligence and spellcasting abilities under the AD&D rules. It is both an interesting plot, and a disappointment to many, as it removes again the humanoids any glint of chance that they can achieve something by themselves. Many people ignore that sentence in G:KoM (or ignore the box altogether, preferring good old Gaz3), and some love the potential of that plot. As always, use whatever version suits your campaign and your taste best. Miscellaneous. Q: You mentioned something about D&D not being AD&D. What does that mean? A: Mystara was the world designed to be used with the rules of D&D (often called OD&D to better distinct it from AD&D and from the generic term D&D which could mean both; OD&D stands for Old D&D or Original D&D - note that some few people call it BD&D for Basic D&D to distinguish it from even older rules). It appeared in the old boxed rules: the Expert box, the Companion box and the Master box. Most of the earlier modules designed for D&D were set in this world. Recently, however, Mystara has been converted to AD&D (along with Red Steel), but many people who play in Mystara do it with the old rules (or their reediting, Rules Cyclopedia). Q: When I read stuff about Mystara I keep seeing acronyms I cannot understand like WotI or PWA. What do they mean? A: There is a list of Mystara relevant acronyms at http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/Mystara/acronyms.html Q: I heard that the Mystara line was canceled. Is this true? A: It is unfortunately true. And Red Steel is canceled too. Some novels pertaining to Mystara may be released as part of the First Quest line, and modules may be part of the Odyssey line. AFAIK, there is no such products in preparation however, though Wizards of the Coast (which bought TSR) has expressed its willingness to publish material for dead worlds, but never namely mentioned Mystara. D&D3 may do Mystara good, or not. Keep faith. Joshuan's Almanac was the last product of Mystara (to be precise the novel "The Black Vessel" has been released after, and to be even more precise it deals with the Savage Coast) and the Savages Baronies the last of Red Steel (except for online exclusives). Q: But I saw in TSR's 97 preview that there would be Red Steel modules released as online exclusive. What does this mean? A: TSR has released these modules for free on its site at http://www.wizards.com/dnd/DnDDownloads.asp. Several other Mystaran and non-Mystaran files are available there as well. Q: So, if TSR has dropped the line, how can I get new material for Mystara? A: There are many people on the web who love Mystara and have taken upon themselves to keep Mystara alive (and well alive). There is a mailing list dedicated to Mystara (MML) where people discuss together about it, exchanging ideas, points of view, and more. To subscribe, send e-mail to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM. In the body, have the single line: subscribe Mystara-L . It has 278 people, as of June 99. As a comparison, there are 395 people on the Realms list, TSR's flagship world (April 98). There is a French Mystara Mailing List (FMML) too, to join go to http://www.mystara.com.bi/ put your email in the designated area and you're on. There is also the TSR Mystara Message Board (MMB) at cipher.wizards.com (usenet) where discussion revolves mostly around alternate Mystaras. There are also many pages around the net dedicated to Mystara, sometimes with lots of interesting materials. Some of these pages are organized into a Webring, check http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html for info about the Mystara webring. Now more than ever you should express your views on how Mystara should be brought back at http://CWSpot.com/Mystara/SaveMystara or join the SaveMystara Writer's Group whose goal is to get as many adventures and articles to the periodicals as we can. Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara mailing list? A: The digests are collected at http://209.67.104.4/archives/mystara-l.html, the older ones at ftp://ftp.mpgn.com/Gaming/ADND/Worlds/Mystara/MailingListArchive/ and the oldest ones (prior to 1998) can be found at ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/mailing-lists/mystara-digest/ However for your convenience the most interesting articles the list has come up with are collected and sorted on Shawn's page at http://dnd.starflung.com Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara message board? A: There is no archiving of the board. However for your convenience the most interesting articles the board has come up with are collected and sorted on Shawn's page at http://dnd.starflung.com Q: Where can I find a complete list of the material published for Mystara? A: The most complete lists to my knowledge is at http://dnd.starflung.com/prodlist.html It includes rulebooks and modules published by TSR, Mystara-relevant Judge Guild supplements, a list of various magazine #s that contain adventures, rules or world description pertaining to Mystara, novels, TSR net resources, and Clark Ashton Smith stories related to Averoigne. All of these are ranked according to compatibility with Mystara (explicit, implicit, compatible, etc.) and the type of product (campaign source, rules supplement, adventure, etc.). The list of the Dragon magazines that mention Mystara, including the Voyage of the Princess Ark series, can be found at http://dnd.starflung.com/dragon.html . Q: And where can I buy those products? A: Since the Mystara line is out of print, it is difficult to find them. If you're lucky you can find them in any shop that sells RPG stuff, or buy second-hand books. Some places where you can find Mystara stuff on the web: http://www.dragontrove.com/listing.html http://www.titan-games.com/ http://www.hitpointe.com http://www.eskimo.com/~darkh/ http://www.ida.net/users/groverm/sleeping.dragon/sdh.html http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/index.html http://www.sagesguild.com/ http://www.crazyegors.com/ http://www.sentrybox.com/ http://members.aol.com/aleeder454/ http://www.cyberdungeon.com/store/catalogue/dungeon.html the newsgroup rec.games.frp.marketplace and I got a special page for all Mystara books at Amazon.com: http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/amazon.html Q: Where can I find the FAQ for the Mystara mailing list? A: Check at http://www.lesbois.com/members/malacoda/mmlfaq.htm or http://www2.crosswinds.net/~malacoda/mmlfaq.html AFAIK there is no plain text version of this FAQ. Q: Is there a Mystara chat? A: yes: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/travelersofmystara . ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:16:51 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: [ELECTION] Speaking of time: voting ends tomorrow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Voting for what? --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:05:38 Alan Shutko wrote: >Voting ends 8pm Mountain time Tomorrow (June 16th). > >(Leroy: Sorry if this post is out of line, but I wouldn't want a bad >turnout because people put it off and forgot the deadline.) > >-- >Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! >148 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, 5 seconds till we run away. >Logic is the chastity belt of the mind! > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:21:48 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Election: Voting Ends Tomorrow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Voting for what? --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:29:29 Leroy Van Camp III wrote: >Just a reminder that the voting process ends tomorrow. >I encourage anyone who hasn't voted to do so. Below are >the rules of the election... > > >1) Votes must be for one of the following candidates: > >Alan Shutko >Geoff Gander >Gordon McCormick > >2) One vote per person. > >3) All votes must be sent to me (malacoda@uswest.net), not the list. >Votes sent to the list will be ignored. > >4) All votes should have ... > > [VOTE] MML Election > > ...as the subject header. Those without it will be ignored. >This may seem a bit hard-assed, but it will help insure votes don't >get lost in my standard deluge of e-mail (I get around 400+ a day) > >5) Votes must be sent from the account that you are subscribed to >the list with. I will be using the current subscriber list to track >votes, and votes from addresses not on that list will be ignored. >This is simply to help avoid any potential ballot stuffing, as >unlikely as that really is. This also means that anyone not >subscribed when I pull the list will not be able to vote. > >6) Nominees can vote as well. I get to vote, too, of course. > >7) The voting starts now (6/9/00) and ends in one week (8 p.m. >Mountain time, 6/16/00). The winner will be announced a while after >that, depending on how many votes I need to calculated. > >8) The winner will be the person with the most votes, regardless of >how close it comes. In the case of a tie, we'll figure something out. >All numbers will be posted (though numbers only, not who voted for who). > > >That's it. I encourage everyone to vote, even you lurkers. > > > >Leroy Van Camp III >malacoda@uswest.net >http://www.users.uswest.net/~malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html >ICQ #20039817 > >"My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I >looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. > >What the heck. Had a couple myself." > > Earl, Red Meat > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:24:10 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Mystara FAQ v7.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps have all of the questions listed at the top. Also, what is the question submission process? Maybe have a CGI submission process. --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:23:27 Herve Musseau wrote: >Mystara FAQ > >version 7.10 by Hervi Musseau >The latest version of this document can be found at >http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/Mystara/mystfaq.txt > > >Table of contents: >Introduction to Mystara. (no updates) >Geography and History of Mystara. (no updates) >Personalities and Immortals of Mystara. (7.9 fixed a typo, 7.10 >changed Dragon article URL) >Miscellaneous. (7.7 added Mystara chat link, 7.8 added French >Mystara Mailing List link, 7.10 changed all TSR links, 7.10 >changed MML subscription procedure and archive link) > > > >Spoiler warning: This FAQ contains information that is for the DM's >eyes only. If you are a player in a Mystara campaign, by reading >further you may spoil the fun of having to figure things out >(especially if you read most of section 3 and part of section 4). >If you intend to read the FAQ nonetheless, I advise you do not read >the answers before asking yourself whether you should know the >answer in-game or not, and skip it if need be. > > > >Introduction to Mystara. > >Q: What is Mystara? >A: Mystara is an imaginary world created by TSR as a campaign world >for roleplaying games using the rules of Dungeons and Dragons. > >Q: What is a roleplaying game? >A: Roleplaying games are games in which people play the role of >imaginary fantastic characters like warriors or wizards and try to >complete an adventure under the guidance of a game master. > >Q: I never heard of Mystara, but I know a setting called the Known >World which looks pretty the same. What's the difference? >A: Mystara got a name as a world only recently; before that, it was >often referred to as the Known World, although Mystara is more than >just the Known World. > > >Geography and History of Mystara. > >Q: So, what's Mystara? The Known World and what else? >A: Mystara is basically composed of 2 main parts, the Outer World >and the Hollow World, plus 2 moons, and some other exotic settings. > >Q: A Hollow World? >A: Yes. Mystara, unlike our earth, is hollow, an empty sphere. It >has an internal sun that lights the interior world, making it >inhabitable. It holds old civilizations that are now extinct on the >Outer World, placed there by the Immortals with strong magic >preventing them from evolving much or dying away. The only entrances >to the Hollow World are through underground passages between the two >worlds, and through the holes that stand in place of the north and >south poles. > >Q: And the Outer World? >A: The Outer World is mostly like our Earth. It comprises: > > * the Known World (now called Old World), where the most > civilized countries are located, > * Alphatia (only before AC 1009), > * the Savage Coast and Hule, > * the southern continent, called Davania, > * the eastern continent, called Skothar. > >Q: Why is Alphatia part of Mystara only up to AC 1009? >A: Because Alphatia, which is a large continent east of the Known >World, sank into the ocean in AC 1009, at the end of the major event >called Wrath of the Immortals. It is now a floating continent >located in the Hollow World. > >Q: What exactly is Wrath of the Immortals? >A: Wrath of the Immortals (or WotI) is an epic campaign that TSR >published to update the Known World. It deals with the Great War >that involves the major countries of Mystara and that was caused by >the Immortals to obtain control of the Nucleus of the Spheres, a >powerful artifact located under Glantri. At the end of the war, >Alphatia sinks, Glantri and Thyatis have suffered dramatically from >the conflict and three new powers enter the political scene of >Mystara: the Heldannic Territories, the Hagiarchy of Hule and the >"revamped" Kingdom of Karameikos. > >Q: On the continental map published in the Master DM's book, there >are some empires I've never read anything about in other products >and on the list, like the Empire of Dorphin IV or the Empire of the >Great Khan. Do they exist? Where can I find information about these? >A: The map in the Master set is "wrong, wrong, wrong!" In the series >of articles written by Bruce Heard in Dragon Magazine, the first in >the series (Dragon #153) explains this all. The map was released by >a very imaginative Thyatian, and wrongly accepted for the truth. >There is no Empire of Dorphin IV, no Empire of the Great Khan, etc. >Also, as you probably guessed, the size of the Thyatian Empire was >largely exaggerated on this map... > >Q: I've already heard of the Known World, and of the Hollow World >too, but never as Mystara. What does all this mean? >A: This is because Mystara is a very old world, one of the oldest >created by TSR, and, as TSR grew, so did Mystara. All of these >product lines are relevant to Mystara: > > * Mystara, of course, > * the Known World and most stuff that were made for D&D (as > opposed to AD&D) like these old good modules B and X, or the > Gazetteers, > * the Hollow World, > * Red Steel/the Savage Coast, > * Blackmoor. > >Also, some products bearing the label First Quest are related to >Mystara. > >Q: Blackmoor? I know a Blackmoor, but it's part of Greyhawk, isn't >it? >A: Blackmoor was, like Greyhawk, the campaign world of one of TSR's >founder, Dave Arneson. It was later placed in both Greyhawk and the >Known World (as a past kingdom in the later), effectively making >three Blackmoors exist. It seems there is no further relation >between the two Blackmoors of Mystara and Greyhawk, however, >although some people made the assumption; on the other hand, Judge's >Guild's Blackmoor likely has much in common with Mystara's, as the >DA series for the Known World was also written by Dave Arneson (so >that JG First Fantasy Campaign is considered Mystara-relevant). > >Q: Where is it located? >A: Blackmoor was a techno-magical kingdom that blew itself up a few >millennia ago. The event shifted the planet's axis and Blackmoor is >now the north pole. >Sources are contradictory as to where Blackmoor stands; some place >it on Brun, some on Skothar. Arguments in favor of Brun are the >position of the Inn Between the Worlds and the Nucleus of the >Sphere, and the fact that the Known World stands there; this is the >solution proposed in some Gazetteers. >Arguments in favor of Skothar are its sort of canonical status, and >the feeling that all civilizations should not systematically come >from the Known World; this is the solution proposed in the Hollow >World box. Note that, if you consider the Hollow World solution to >be the truth in your campaign, the map in the box does have a typo : >the names of Blackmoor and Thonia have been reversed (Blackmoor was >north of the Empire of Thonia according to all other sources). >Bruce Heard's opinion on this matter : >"Blackmoor -- the travelling legend. If there were archaeologist on >Mystara, they would have a devil of time figuring where the darn >place was really located. Officially, it's supposed to be up there >by the Thonian Marches. Unfortunately, conflicting info has crept >into several products, getting in the way of the Thonian theory. The >best thing is to assume evidence of Blackmoor's presence elsewhere >is the result of later colonizations and outposts. Other communities >were also magically displaced (such as a certain ancient tavern in >the Broken Lands of the Known World). >Definitely a messy development of the World of Mystara! :)" >So officially the answer is Skothar. > >Q: Ok, and now what's Red Steel? >A: Red Steel is a setting that is part of Mystara (west of the Known >World), although it was released as a stand-alone setting. > > >Personalities and Immortals of Mystara. > >Q: I have a player of the Church of Karameikos, and I want to give >him an Immortal, I suppose that it's a church with many Immortals >(like the Greek / Latin church) but in Gaz 1 I didn't find any list >of Immortals... >A: These are the immortals of the Church of Karameikos, as told by >Bruce Heard in an old Dragon Magazine: >Asterius (Eternal of Thought), Leader >Kagyar (Eternal of Matter) >Ilsundal (Hierarch of Thought) >Valerias (Hierarch of Matter) >Vanya (Empyreal of Time). >Also, although Chardastes is a native Traladaran Immortal, he is >venerated through the auspices of the Church of Karameikos, not the >Church of Traladara. This is extrapolated from info in B1-9 In >Search of Adventure. >The Immortals of the Church of Traladara are: >Halav >Petra >Zirchev. > >Q: You spoke of Immortals, what are they? Are they Gods? Powers? >A: Mystara has a different pantheon when compared to other D&D >settings. Most notably, it has no gods, but beings called Immortals. >Immortals are mortals who, through their deeds, have reached a >higher status granting them more power than mere mortals. Basically, >however, Immortals are not very different from Gods of other >settings. > >Q: Is Jaggar von Drachenfelds the Star Dragon? >A: No. According to Bruce Heard's article in Dragon #170 >http://dnd.starflung.com/immguard.html >he became the Star Dragon for a brief period but relinquished the >title for absolution. > >Q: Is Rad gone after Wrath? >A: No, he's been absorbed into the Radiance, and some of his life >force was used to lessen the drain of the artifact on Mystara's >magic (thus there is only a Day of Dread each year, and not a week >as in Wrath). Rad is not dead though, but he has been put into a >slumbering state to reflect on his deeds (and hopefully change). >This is covered in detail in the module Mark of Amber. > >Q: So is Rad back after Mark of Amber? >A: The outcome of the module may vary from campaign to campaign, as >the actions of the PCs decide his fate. The module's three outcomes >are: 1. He returns as a mortal with no chance of being sponsored >back to Immortality and no access to the Radiance (failure); 2. He >returns as a mortal but can become an Immortal again sometime >(normal success and most likely outcome); 3. He returns as a full >Immortal (complete success). >Later products avoid the issue, and the general consensus is that he >should return but be left in the background, keeping low profile for >some time, either rebuilding his following (if an Immortal) or >attempting to reach Immortality again (if mortal). Few favor him >becoming a mere mortal as most love him as an NPC. > >Q: Does the Radiance draw from Energy or Entropy after Wrath? >A: In Wrath, the Radiance is altered to draw from Entropy instead of >Energy. Yet in Glantri: Kingdom of Magic, the rules for the >Radiance are exactly the same as in Gaz3, stating that it drains >from Energy. This is a mistake in G:KoM; the authors overlooked that >event in Wrath and forgot to update the info from Gaz3. Thus the new >rules for the Radiance are undefined, as are the effects of >Entropy-draining. Various suggestion have been made on the MML, >though. > >Q: Where is Teldon? Is he dead? >A: This is a short excerpt from Dragon Magazine #207 about Teldon's >fate: >"One of the attractions of the Magicians' Guild, its location in >Karameikos' largest city, was its downfall. Such a collection of >powerful (and often egotistical or secretive) mages in one location >created great potential for conflict. The final straw was the >creation of a mechanical beholder by one of the more advanced >apprentices, powered by an Immortal's artifact. The resulting >creation was turned loose in downtown Specularum, leveling a good >section of the South End. The creation was defeated by the head of >the Magicians' Guild, Teldon, but at great cost. Both mage and >monster disappeared in a pure white ball of fire, and while they are >assumed to have both been destroyed, they may instead have been >teleported to some far-off location. The fact remained that the >Magicians' Guild proved itself too dangerous to remain in >Specularum, and lost one of its most valuable supporters." > >Q: And Bargle, where is he? >A: After the fall of the Black Eagle Barony, Bargle is an itinerant >villain that pops up here and there. He can easily be used as a >recurring villain who the PCs bump into way too often (to their >taste). He has been spotted in various place, including Esterhold >and Serraine (always helping the evil guys, of course), but can have >business just anywhere you wish. Well, good ole Bargle. > >Q: Is Kol a Shadow Elf or a Kobold? >A: Earlier sources always presented Kol as a kobold who, using the >rules from Gaz10, could cast spells. In Glantri: Kingdom of Magic, >he is said to be one of the deformed shadowelf babies raised by the >humanoids, thus explaining both his high intelligence and >spellcasting abilities under the AD&D rules. It is both an >interesting plot, and a disappointment to many, as it removes >again the humanoids any glint of chance that they can achieve >something by themselves. Many people ignore that sentence in G:KoM >(or ignore the box altogether, preferring good old Gaz3), and some >love the potential of that plot. As always, use whatever version >suits your campaign and your taste best. > > >Miscellaneous. > >Q: You mentioned something about D&D not being AD&D. What does that >mean? >A: Mystara was the world designed to be used with the rules of D&D >(often called OD&D to better distinct it from AD&D and from the >generic term D&D which could mean both; OD&D stands for Old D&D or >Original D&D - note that some few people call it BD&D for Basic D&D >to distinguish it from even older rules). >It appeared in the old boxed rules: the Expert box, the Companion >box and the Master box. Most of the earlier modules designed for D&D >were set in this world. Recently, however, Mystara has been >converted to AD&D (along with Red Steel), but many people who play >in Mystara do it with the old rules (or their reediting, Rules >Cyclopedia). > >Q: When I read stuff about Mystara I keep seeing acronyms I cannot >understand like WotI or PWA. What do they mean? >A: There is a list of Mystara relevant acronyms at >http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/Mystara/acronyms.html > >Q: I heard that the Mystara line was canceled. Is this true? >A: It is unfortunately true. And Red Steel is canceled too. Some >novels pertaining to Mystara may be released as part of the First >Quest line, and modules may be part of the Odyssey line. AFAIK, >there is no such products in preparation however, though Wizards of >the Coast (which bought TSR) has expressed its willingness to >publish material for dead worlds, but never namely mentioned >Mystara. D&D3 may do Mystara good, or not. Keep faith. >Joshuan's Almanac was the last product of Mystara (to be precise >the novel "The Black Vessel" has been released after, and to be even >more precise it deals with the Savage Coast) and the Savages >Baronies the last of Red Steel (except for online exclusives). > >Q: But I saw in TSR's 97 preview that there would be Red Steel >modules released as online exclusive. What does this mean? >A: TSR has released these modules for free on its site at >http://www.wizards.com/dnd/DnDDownloads.asp. >Several other Mystaran and non-Mystaran files are available there as well. > >Q: So, if TSR has dropped the line, how can I get new material for >Mystara? >A: There are many people on the web who love Mystara and have taken >upon themselves to keep Mystara alive (and well alive). >There is a mailing list dedicated to Mystara (MML) where people >discuss together about it, exchanging ideas, points of view, and >more. To subscribe, send e-mail to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM. >In the body, have the single line: subscribe Mystara-L . It has 278 >people, as of June 99. As a comparison, there are 395 people on the >Realms list, TSR's flagship world (April 98). >There is a French Mystara Mailing List (FMML) too, to join go to >http://www.mystara.com.bi/ put your email in the designated area >and you're on. >There is also the TSR Mystara Message Board (MMB) at >cipher.wizards.com (usenet) where discussion revolves mostly around >alternate Mystaras. >There are also many pages around the net dedicated to Mystara, >sometimes with lots of interesting materials. Some of these pages >are organized into a Webring, check >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html for >info about the Mystara webring. >Now more than ever you should express your views on how Mystara >should be brought back at http://CWSpot.com/Mystara/SaveMystara >or join the SaveMystara Writer's Group whose goal is to get as many >adventures and articles to the periodicals as we can. > >Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara mailing list? >A: The digests are collected at >http://209.67.104.4/archives/mystara-l.html, the older ones at >ftp://ftp.mpgn.com/Gaming/ADND/Worlds/Mystara/MailingListArchive/ >and the oldest ones (prior to 1998) can be found at >ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/mailing-lists/mystara-digest/ >However for your convenience the most interesting articles the list >has come up with are collected and sorted on Shawn's page at >http://dnd.starflung.com > >Q: Where can I find the old messages of the Mystara message board? >A: There is no archiving of the board. However for your convenience >the most interesting articles the board has come up with are >collected and sorted on Shawn's page at http://dnd.starflung.com > >Q: Where can I find a complete list of the material published for >Mystara? >A: The most complete lists to my knowledge is at >http://dnd.starflung.com/prodlist.html >It includes rulebooks and modules published by TSR, Mystara-relevant >Judge Guild supplements, a list of various magazine #s that contain >adventures, rules or world description pertaining to Mystara, >novels, TSR net resources, and Clark Ashton Smith stories related to >Averoigne. All of these are ranked according to compatibility with >Mystara (explicit, implicit, compatible, etc.) and the type of >product (campaign source, rules supplement, adventure, etc.). >The list of the Dragon magazines that mention Mystara, including the >Voyage of the Princess Ark series, can be found at >http://dnd.starflung.com/dragon.html . > >Q: And where can I buy those products? >A: Since the Mystara line is out of print, it is difficult to find >them. If you're lucky you can find them in any shop that sells RPG >stuff, or buy second-hand books. Some places where you can find >Mystara stuff on the web: >http://www.dragontrove.com/listing.html >http://www.titan-games.com/ >http://www.hitpointe.com >http://www.eskimo.com/~darkh/ >http://www.ida.net/users/groverm/sleeping.dragon/sdh.html >http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/index.html >http://www.sagesguild.com/ >http://www.crazyegors.com/ >http://www.sentrybox.com/ >http://members.aol.com/aleeder454/ >http://www.cyberdungeon.com/store/catalogue/dungeon.html >the newsgroup rec.games.frp.marketplace >and I got a special page for all Mystara books at Amazon.com: >http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/amazon.html > >Q: Where can I find the FAQ for the Mystara mailing list? >A: Check at http://www.lesbois.com/members/malacoda/mmlfaq.htm or >http://www2.crosswinds.net/~malacoda/mmlfaq.html >AFAIK there is no plain text version of this FAQ. > >Q: Is there a Mystara chat? >A: yes: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/travelersofmystara . > > >===== >___________________________________________________________ >Herve Musseau >http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:42:20 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: [VOTE] MML Election MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shoot. Lets try again. I vote for Geoff Gander! Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:11 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I doubt that "communism" = "work ethic". Many dwarves receive profit through their hard work, and other dwarves are motivated through trade. Dwarven society in Rockhome much mirrors older caste system of India. The clans, are not really familial clans, but rather a social order. In India, there was a society similar to the Mimbaree of Babylon5. Each caste had their respected role and honorary place in society. However, overtime, these roles became exploited and discrimatory. The similar situation happened to the working order of the Mimbaree, and the same happen to some clans in dwarven society. --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Wed, 31 May 2000 20:02:05 jdaly wrote: >I described the way it has actually been put into practice. Communism on >paper looks great BECAUSE it hasn't been put into practice. Communism in >theory is basically Christianity without Christ (I hope my fellows won't >take offense at that, just try to understand what I'm saying). Like the >quote from GK Chesterton that Mischa is fond of, "Christianity ..." Oh heck, >what was it? > >Anyway, edited a little, it could read like this, "Communism wasn't tried >and found wanting, it was not tried..." > >Doh, that's not it. But that's the meaning anyway... > >I would go on further to say that Communism, as it exists on paper, is not >possible due to human nature. Though Mischa mentioned it as a disagreement >between myself and him, I wouldn't totally agree. I am aware of the >difference, but I see dwarven society as much more like "Capitalism the way >it should work" rather than "Communism the way it should work". Either one >is a fantasy... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: mortus >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:00 PM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) > > >> > I've always figured the work ethic (of the more-than-Puritan variety) to >> be >> > the major virtue of the dwarves. I do believe lazy dwarves exist, but >> they >> > are considered the scum of the underearth. It could work for a group of >> > these dwarves to get together, ruminate over how all their problems are >> due >> > to the successful, hardworking dwarves, and band together under a cruel, >> > evil dictator named, "Jogarth Steel" or somesuch. They could shout day >> and >> > night how the working dwarves are keeping their due from them, and how >> the >> > working dwarves deserve to give them some of the fruits of their >> success... >> > >> > Yeah, that could work. There's your communist society. >> not really. >> >> communism is about the workers uniting to get their due from the idle >> rich,you have described the reverse. >> >> mortus. >> >> ******************************************************************** >> The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:43:23 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Election: Voting Ends Tomorrow In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Darth Darknerd wrote: > Voting for what? We are voting for a new list administrator to replace Leroy. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:45:24 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: [VOTE] MML Election In-Reply-To: <394A750C.553BA513@planetfortress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, SteelAngel wrote: > Shoot. > > Lets try again. > > I vote for Geoff Gander! Try again Ethan. You have to send your vote to Leroys adress, not the MML. H�vard, assisting the admin. Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:56:36 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Darth Darknerd wrote: > I doubt that "communism" = "work ethic". Many dwarves receive profit > through their hard work, and other dwarves are motivated through > trade. Dwarven society in Rockhome much mirrors older caste system of > India. The clans, are not really familial clans, but rather a social > order. Scottish and Norse Clans also included many families. I disagree with you if you say that a communist revolution could never happen in Rockhome, but I agree that this would probably be in conflict with the existing clan system. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:54:19 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Given the well-documented structure and culture of Rockhome, wouldn't it be more likely that Highforge's gnomes would go socialist or communist? BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:01:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: [VOTE] MML Election MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Shoot. > > Lets try again. > > I vote for Geoff Gander! > > Ethan WARNING! ERROR! ERROR! REDO FROM START! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! etc. Please don't post this to the list, as this is not where the OGRE asked for it to be posted too. Obey the OGRE, or the OGRE will become agitated! :^) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:26:11 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Meltheim Shadowstalker Subject: HELP MEEEEEEEH! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, your favorite stalker here (get that alpha? FAVORITE!!!) with a question. If you were to convert Bjorn from LOTR, how would you do it? I am looking to have smeone of the same archeotype, but I don't want the shapeshifting abilities. Would he be a stock fighter that is just a hermit and adept with the axe? Or would he be some sort of ranger? Well, whatever your opinion is, please share it with me. I've got a session tomorrow and i NEEEEEEED this PC finished! Meltheim the Shadowstalker p.s. my Valkyrie chika is completed! if you want to see her, just ask me here at mcmegahertz@aol.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:34:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: New Play by Email game seeking players! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFD7DA.9925D8E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFD7DA.9925D8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy! The dull summer approaches when everyone is on holiday bar me - = its play by email season again! Sometime in the next couple of weeks I'm going to kick off another play = by email game set in the Savage Coast region. It's based around nation = states, so you will be playing the rulers of various Savage Coast = nations in the game. It's also going to use the Birthright game system, = but don't let that put you off - the DMs want nothing more than to help = you out... Turns will be somewhere between one every week to two weeks, = so it's not even going to cut into your unduly busy lives that much. So there is no excuse! Check it out at http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/rmunch/scbr.htm Cheers Rob ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFD7DA.9925D8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy!  The dull summer approaches = when=20 everyone is on holiday bar me - its play by email season = again!
 
Sometime in the next couple of weeks = I'm going to=20 kick off another play by email game set in the Savage Coast = region.  It's=20 based around nation states, so you will be playing the rulers of various = Savage=20 Coast nations in the game.  It's also going to use the Birthright = game=20 system, but don't let that put you off - the DMs want nothing more than = to help=20 you out...  Turns will be somewhere between one every week to two = weeks, so=20 it's not even going to cut into your unduly busy lives that = much.
 
So there is no excuse!
 
Check it out at http://easyweb.easy= net.co.uk/rmunch/scbr.htm
 
Cheers
 
Rob
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFD7DA.9925D8E0-- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:52:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: HELP MEEEEEEEH! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would probably say he is a ranger... if he cant shapeshift but still has some sort of animal empathy, he's probably a ranger. Cheers Rob > Hello all, your favorite stalker here (get that alpha? FAVORITE!!!) with a > question. If you were to convert Bjorn from LOTR, how would you do it? I am > looking to have smeone of the same archeotype, but I don't want the > shapeshifting abilities. Would he be a stock fighter that is just a hermit > and adept with the axe? Or would he be some sort of ranger? Well, whatever > your opinion is, please share it with me. I've got a session tomorrow and i > NEEEEEEED this PC finished! > > Meltheim the Shadowstalker > > p.s. my Valkyrie chika is completed! if you want to see her, just ask me > here at mcmegahertz@aol.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:19:02 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000616115419.007c82a0@lby3.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Beau wrote: > Given the well-documented structure and culture of Rockhome, > wouldn't it be more likely that Highforge's gnomes would go socialist > or communist? Actually, I think that socialism cannot exist before Mystara has its industrial revlolution. An industrial revolution is neccesary for there to be a class of workers who are exploited by factory owners, in order for these workers to be provoked into turning revolutionary. In a preindustrial society, the closest thing you get to a nonrural working class are the craftsmen, who actually have a chance of gaining wealth through their own skills. Even though the Gnomes of High Forge and the Dwarves of Rockhome have several quite impressive inventions, I don't see them establishing an industrial society in a long time yet. Industrialism is more than the inventions, its also a state of mind, and I dont see dwarves and gnomes developing that sort of attitudes, at least not yet. Ofcourse, in a fantasy world anything _can_ happen... H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:54:51 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: HELP MEEEEEEEH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:26:11 Meltheim Shadowstalker wrote: >Hello all, your favorite stalker here (get that alpha? FAVORITE!!!) > Sure. One not-so-Delayed-Blast Fireball, coming riiiiight up :) > with a >question. If you were to convert Bjorn from LOTR, how would you do it? > Actually Beorn is from The Hobbit, not LOTR. > I am >looking to have smeone of the same archeotype, but I don't want the >shapeshifting abilities. Would he be a stock fighter that is just a hermit >and adept with the axe? Or would he be some sort of ranger? Well, whatever >your opinion is, please share it with me. I've got a session tomorrow and i >NEEEEEEED this PC finished! > Well, I have some thoughts, but I won't share them now, hrmph! ;)... Oh, okay... My first thought was that Beorn is actually a Werebear, but since you don't want shapeshifters I'll drop it (I think I'd like a werebear ranger, though!). Normally, I'd suggest you keep it simple and leave him a fighter, but IIRC Beorn is good at tracking, so having him be a ranger sounds quite appropriate to me. Just make sure he gets to be good with that axe! - The Stalker: "There can be only one!" :) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:12:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: HELP MEEEEEEEH! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, The Stalker wrote: [Beorn] > Normally, I'd suggest you keep it simple and leave him a fighter, > but IIRC Beorn is good at tracking, so having him be a ranger sounds > quite appropriate to me. Just make sure he gets to be good with that > axe! If he is a ranger you should make that two axes... ;) H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:54:57 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: HELP MEEEEEEEH! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I digged up my old copy of the "Goblins' Gate" supplement for MERP, and it gives stats for Beorn as of the time of the Battle of the Five Armies. He's said to be a Ranger/Werebear (in MERP or ROLEMASTER). And I think that conversion from RM into D&D keeps rangers as rangers. So, I would make him a Ranger with Werebear abilities as per the PC4 rules. Cheers, Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:50:43 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Maps of the Savage Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFD7FE.727FB3E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFD7FE.727FB3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a map of the Savage Coast anywhere to be found on the Internet? = (and if so, where?). The maps dont seem to be included in the material = available online, and I dont have access to a working scanner :( Cheers Rob ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFD7FE.727FB3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there a map of the Savage Coast = anywhere to be=20 found on the Internet? (and if so, where?).  The maps dont seem to = be=20 included in the material available online, and I dont have access to a = working=20 scanner :(
 
Cheers
 
Rob
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFD7FE.727FB3E0-- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:55:20 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Time zones (was fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One point that should be emphasized is that unless the wizards who use crystal balls to communicate with each other can force the people of Mystara to adopt time zones, everyone would pretty much use local solar time. My theory is that the reference to time zones is actually a misnomer -- what that term in the PWAs really designates is the approximate relative local time. The actual time variation should be (if the folks at TSR did the arithmetic correctly) about four minutes per degree of longitude. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:17:44 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Leroy Van Camp III Subject: [ADMIN] Election: The Voting Is Over MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well folks, the voting has come to an end. Any votes I recieve after this point are null and void. I hope to have the votes tallied in the next couple of days. I received 48 valid votes. Thanks to everyone that took the time to show that you care about the direction and future of this list by voting. And thanks to all the kind words that accompanied many of the votes. I really do appreciate it all; it means a lot. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@uswest.net http://www.users.uswest.net/~malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html ICQ #20039817 "My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. What the heck. Had a couple myself." Earl, Red Meat ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:26:30 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Leroy Van Camp III Subject: Re: [ELECTION] Speaking of time: voting ends tomorrow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > (Leroy: Sorry if this post is out of line, but I wouldn't want a bad > turnout because people put it off and forgot the deadline.) Not out of line at all. This kind of enthusiasm is commendable. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@uswest.net http://www.users.uswest.net/~malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html ICQ #20039817 "My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. What the heck. Had a couple myself." Earl, Red Meat ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:22:32 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20Is=20there=20a=20map=20of=20the=20Savage=20Coast=20anywhere=20to=20be= =20found=20on=20the=0D=0AInternet?=20(and=20if=20so,=20where?).=20=20The=20= maps=20dont=20seem=20to=20be=20included=20in=20the=0D=0Amaterial=20availa= ble=20online,=20and=20I=20dont=20have=20access=20to=20a=20working=20scann= er=0D=0A:(=0D=0A=0D=0AThibault=20Sarlat=20has=20the=20most=20comprehensiv= e=20collection=20of=20maps=20for=0D=0AMystara.=20The=20URL=20is=20http://= www.mystara.com.bi/=20or,=20directly,=0D=0Ahttp://perso.club-internet.fr/= thibsylv/maps.htm=0D=0A--=0D=0A=0D=0A=09Giampaolo=20Agosta=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D= =0Aagathokles@libero.it=0D=0Aagosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it=0D=0Ahttp://d= igilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm=0A=0A= ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:02:34 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Election: The Voting Is Over MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leroy Van Camp III ha scritto: > I hope to have the votes tallied in the next couple of days. I > received 48 valid votes. > Somehow, I find it disappointing that I have received more votes in my old Poll "What's your favourite nation". > > Thanks to everyone that took the time to show that you care > about the direction and future of this list by voting. Hrmpf! It was a duty. The sad thing is that the next will probably your last message as list ogre. Thanks, Leroy. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:26:57 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not say "communism = work ethic". Mischa and I have agreed on a few things, but let's not go overboard here! The Puritans were not communists. They came to America to flee religious persecution. The Puritan Work Ethic refers to their ideal of "You don't work, you don't eat." As cruel as it sounds, consider they did not live in our age of plenty, rather their survival during the Winter greatly depended on the work of everyone. I also do not agree that dwarven society is like the caste system. After all, a dwarf of any rank can become the clan holder. That does not happen under a caste system. Your statement that clans are not really familial is an odd one. Is it actually supported in canon, or is it your own opinion? Besides, a familial system is a type of social system. That's why I'm saying its odd that you put it that way... ----- Original Message ----- From: Darth Darknerd To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) > I doubt that "communism" = "work ethic". Many dwarves receive profit through their hard work, and other dwarves are motivated through trade. Dwarven society in Rockhome much mirrors older caste system of India. The clans, are not really familial clans, but rather a social order. > > In India, there was a society similar to the Mimbaree of Babylon5. Each caste had their respected role and honorary place in society. However, overtime, these roles became exploited and discrimatory. The similar situation happened to the working order of the Mimbaree, and the same happen to some clans in dwarven society. > > > > --- > How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, > if the Ethengar horde got bored? > > On Wed, 31 May 2000 20:02:05 jdaly wrote: > >I described the way it has actually been put into practice. Communism on > >paper looks great BECAUSE it hasn't been put into practice. Communism in > >theory is basically Christianity without Christ (I hope my fellows won't > >take offense at that, just try to understand what I'm saying). Like the > >quote from GK Chesterton that Mischa is fond of, "Christianity ..." Oh heck, > >what was it? > > > >Anyway, edited a little, it could read like this, "Communism wasn't tried > >and found wanting, it was not tried..." > > > >Doh, that's not it. But that's the meaning anyway... > > > >I would go on further to say that Communism, as it exists on paper, is not > >possible due to human nature. Though Mischa mentioned it as a disagreement > >between myself and him, I wouldn't totally agree. I am aware of the > >difference, but I see dwarven society as much more like "Capitalism the way > >it should work" rather than "Communism the way it should work". Either one > >is a fantasy... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: mortus > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:00 PM > >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) > > > > > >> > I've always figured the work ethic (of the more-than-Puritan variety) to > >> be > >> > the major virtue of the dwarves. I do believe lazy dwarves exist, but > >> they > >> > are considered the scum of the underearth. It could work for a group of > >> > these dwarves to get together, ruminate over how all their problems are > >> due > >> > to the successful, hardworking dwarves, and band together under a cruel, > >> > evil dictator named, "Jogarth Steel" or somesuch. They could shout day > >> and > >> > night how the working dwarves are keeping their due from them, and how > >> the > >> > working dwarves deserve to give them some of the fruits of their > >> success... > >> > > >> > Yeah, that could work. There's your communist society. > >> not really. > >> > >> communism is about the workers uniting to get their due from the idle > >> rich,you have described the reverse. > >> > >> mortus. > >> > >> ******************************************************************** > >> The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >> Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >> > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:33:50 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Puritans were not communists. They came to America to flee religious > persecution. Funnily enough they didn't flee, they were asked firmly to leave as they were disruptive. Suppose it depends which version of the truth you prefer. The Puritan Work Ethic refers to their ideal of "You don't > work, you don't eat." As cruel as it sounds, consider they did not live in > our age of plenty, rather their survival during the Winter greatly depended > on the work of everyone. > Or the butchering of the indigenous population, and sysematic theft of their hard won bounty. Again depending on which side of the line you were on. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:46:16 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have three versions my compilated maps (using grid cartography). Ironwolf's maps (better in quality but bigger in Ko). and also links to the VotPA maps (also available at shawn's) -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr If you need any maps regarding Mystara, check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:27:24 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Er, silly question here, but can anyone give me the address for Shawns site. I recently had to blank my hard drive and lost my favourites list (next time I'll remember to back it up first :} ). Thanks BTW if anybodys got any other addresses for mystaran sites, I would be very grateful to have them. I've got some but my list is far from complete. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:46:27 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast In-Reply-To: <001401bfd878$eca9f660$7628893e@phil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Phillip Jones wrote: > Er, silly question here, but can anyone give me the address for Shawns site. > I recently had to blank my hard drive and lost my favourites list (next time > I'll remember to back it up first :} ). dnd.starflung.com > BTW if anybodys got any other addresses for mystaran sites, I would be very > grateful to have them. I've got some but my list is far from complete. This sounds like an oportunity to plug my own site: www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc/mystara.html In addition to various articles, I have a long link section of many of the Mystaran sites out there. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:47:53 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit go to my site, then enter the links section , and voil�!! you're on stan's site again. Phillip Jones a �crit: > Er, silly question here, but can anyone give me the address for Shawns site. > I recently had to blank my hard drive and lost my favourites list (next time > I'll remember to back it up first :} ). > > Thanks > > BTW if anybodys got any other addresses for mystaran sites, I would be very > grateful to have them. I've got some but my list is far from complete. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr If you need any maps regarding Mystara, check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:21:41 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jdaly Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a rude, off-list type of thing to say. You should be ashamed. I'm certainly not going to set you straight here. History books are easy enough to read. But I would suggest you start with a book of manners. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul George Dooley To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) > > The Puritans were not communists. They came to America to flee religious > > persecution. > > Funnily enough they didn't flee, they were asked firmly to leave as they > were disruptive. Suppose it depends which version of the truth you prefer. > > The Puritan Work Ethic refers to their ideal of "You don't > > work, you don't eat." As cruel as it sounds, consider they did not live > in > > our age of plenty, rather their survival during the Winter greatly > depended > > on the work of everyone. > > > Or the butchering of the indigenous population, and sysematic theft of their > hard won bounty. Again depending on which side of the line you were on. > > Hamlet I, v, 166. > Words to live by? > > Paul > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:05:09 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [ snip] > >I also do not agree that dwarven society is like the caste system. After >all, a dwarf of any rank can become the clan holder. That does not happen >under a caste system. Your statement that clans are not really familial is >an odd one. Is it actually supported in canon, or is it your own opinion? >Besides, a familial system is a type of social system. That's why I'm >saying its odd that you put it that way... In the understanding of ancient caste system, a dwarf of any rank can become a clan holder. The castes are not stratified by the position within society, but rather by the role in society. A religious caste would have normal members that could become a leader of that paticular caste. The reason I stated that the "clans are not really familial" is because the roles are based on a philosphy. This is not exactly correct as people are born into the role in life, as with both caste and the dwarven clan system. However, given the limited number of clans for the whole nation, I doubt that people are truly related to each other. I would rather imagine a "dwarven clan" as made of several families who follow the same role and idealism. They are born into their role and expected to support this idealism. If they do not, then they are no longer apart of this order. On a side note, perhaps the dwarven word to describe these orders are translated into a "clan" for one society, or a "caste" for another society. ciao, Joaquin HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:57:00 +1000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 17:27 17/06/00 +0100, you wrote: >Er, silly question here, but can anyone give me the address for Shawns site. >I recently had to blank my hard drive and lost my favourites list (next time >I'll remember to back it up first :} ). People have already been answering this one but the other way to get to my page is at the base of each and every MML message. There is a link there from the Other Worlds Homepage. >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp shawn stanley http://dnd.starflung.com what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:26:19 IDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Though dwarven clans are made up of many individual families, each clan would have a common ancestor (or a group of several ancestors) who formed the first family (at this point the clans may very well have been divided according to philospohical or professional lines); their descendants formed the various families in each clan, so that nowadays the clans are familial, though they may not have started that way. >However, given the limited number of clans for the whole nation, I >doubt >that people are truly related to each other. I would rather >imagine a >"dwarven clan" as made of several families who follow the >same role and >idealism. They are born into their role and expected to >support this >idealism. If they do not, then they are no longer apart >of this order. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 03:36:37 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: the Nature of Dreams 1-dreaming In-Reply-To: <39421E1E.27F0440D@tin.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm just finally getting around to reading this... it's amazing how mail builds up when you don't actually have time to read it all, but there's never any when you don't have anything else to do... Anyway, it's very interesting work. Good job! I really like the way you've worked up the dreamland. Along those lines, I was thinking that perhaps the Wallara Chameleon Men of the Savage Coast might be experts at the Art of Dreaming; perhaps it is easier for them to master it, or else they are just better because they have more people among them to teach it. Hmm... I wonder if their "blink" ability might have something to do with a connection to the Nightmare Dimension? Gonna have to think on this a bit... ----- Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen Aspiring screenwriter, actor, and gadabout jsmill@wans.net "The greatest trick Doug Henning ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - Keyser Soze ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 05:12:42 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Making Connections? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Excerpt from the book "From Normal to Nightmare: Briding the Gap" by Professor Cthon of Malebolge University in Blackheart: "... While the Normal and Nightmare dimensions are kept quite separate both by their inherent natures and, perhaps, necessity, there nevertheless exist certain creatures who are able to move between the dimensions freely. The Immortals, it is surmised, naturally possess such abilities, as do many so-called 'exalted' beings. Demons would fall into this category (a trait often cited as evidence in the endless debates over whether they are true Immortals or not), as would the Spectral Hounds, those enigmatic trackers of the cosmos. "There is some speculation that the ability to dimension-shift may be an inherent ability of dragonkind, as well, dating back eons ago to when the dragons and draeden roamed the multiverse. To date, though, no such display has been documented by any Mystaran historian. "The closest 'evidence' that can be cited is that of the so-called 'chameleon man'- a species of humanoid that is believed to be related to dragonkind. These primitives may be found across the globe, but mostly seem to congregate in the region known as Wallara, west of the Savage Baronies, on the continent of Brun. The chameleon men are born with a limited ability to create a dimensional shift. This ability does not become active until adolescence, but it enables them to momentarily displace themselves from Normal to Nightmare. While there, the chameleon man quickly moves to another location, so that upon his return to Normal space, he will be in a different position. The effect is similar to that of a Dimension Door spell, but has a more limited range(1). The chameleon man uses this ability instinctively, usually to remove himself from a dangerous situation. "Some elders of the chameleon man race have demonstrated the capacity to tap into the dreamworld for certain magical abilities, regardless of whether they are normally able to manipulate magic(2). As you recall from the literature on the dreamland, it has been speculated that that realm- known to us as the fourth dimension- is the source of magical might. The origins of this ability have also been credited to the Immortals as well as the spirit world, so this may or may not be evidence of a connection to the Nightmare dimension. "As an aside, I should note that practitioners of the art of Dreaming are far more common among chameleon men than any other race known to us as yet(3). They can be convinced to teach the art to others, though usually only after a requiring the aspiring pupil to undergo a series of tests, that they may determine their worthiness and sense of responsibility(4). "Chameleon men occasionally are overtaken with an urge to go on a long journey, called by them a 'walkabout', wherein they abandon the Normal dimension entirely, and wander for a time in the realms of Nightmare. On such occasions, they simply dimension shift into Nightmare right on the spot, leaving anything they were doing behind without a word. Other chameleon men are unfazed by such a disappearing act, but it has been known to create confusion and panic among outsiders or companions of the chameleon man, for he will leave no word of warning to them. Days, months, sometimes years may go by before the chameleon man decides to return to Normal space, usually returning to the same spot he left from, and resuming whatever he happened to be doing at the time(5). "The chameleon men have an innate sense of direction, and an uncanny ability to always locate their homes(6). It is this ability that allows them to shift safely through the Nightmare dimension, thus avoiding the hazards of a dimension door spell- it wouldn't do much good to shift away from an opponent only to end up stuck in a tree, after all. This ability also seemingly allows the chameleon men to sense instabilities between the dimensional barriers(7). "There is strong evidence to suggest that the chameleon men were, at one time, far more culturally advanced than they are today. The reasons behind their downfall aren't fully known- though it is suggested that the wizards of Herath were somehow involved. Regardless, if such were the case, doubtless there are troves of information on the Nightmare Dimension to be found in the Wallaran city of Risilvar and the ruins of the surrounding highlands. Such information would be invaluable in further understanding the nature of the dimensions, and the unknown histories of Nightmare and Normal peoples, as well as the multiverse itself." Notes: 1- As noted in Dragon #186 and in the Orc's Head Peninsula supplement, the chameleon man can dimension door up to 120' away at will. This ability takes one full action to achieve, as well as a successful Intelligence check. 2- The Dreaming ability comes naturally to all chameleon men (OD&D) or only to Mendoo medicine men (AD&D). The specifics of its effects are noted in both of the two sources cited in footnote 1, above. 3- Chameleon men suffer only a -2 penalty to their intelligence check for dreaming if not a wizard. They also gain the +1 bonus for being magical creatures, which is cumulative with other adjustments. Thus, a chameleon man warrior would suffer only a -1 to the dreaming check, while a chameleon man wizard would have a +2 bonus to the check. Many chameleon men (and all medicine men) are practitioners of the art of dreaming. 4- The chameleon men will not entrust the art of dreaming to just anyone. They will put those who wish to learn (both other chameleon men and non-chameleon men) through several tests to determine the student's mettle. The tests vary, but all invariably will test a student's moral code, their dedication, and their endurance. 5- It is not known why chameleon men decide to go on walkabouts, but it is believed that it is an instinct born of suppressed racial memories of an ancient time when the chameleon men walked side by side with the Immortals, wandering the mysteries of the multiverse. At certain points in their adult lives, the chameleon men simply feel an urge to roam, and will shift themselves into the Nightmare dimension. There, they will wander and live much as they would in the Normal dimension, carrying on as if nothing had changed. This will go on until they feel an urge to return to Normal space, whereupon the cycle starts over again. In any case, because this is an actual dimensional shift, the chameleon man's physiology is altered so that the Nightmare dimension is not poisonous to him. He is still vulnerable to creatures and objects of those realms, just as he would be in Normal space, but his ability to dimensionally shift, as well as all other racial and class abilities, remain intact. 6- The chameleon man's abilities to track and locate their home camps are noted in the Orc's Head Peninsula set. They should also be granted the Direction Sense proficiency as a bonus at first level. 7- Such instabilities will always be felt by the chameleon man whenever using his vanish ability. The degree to which they are felt varies according to the distance to the instability- the dimensional instabilities located around the Five Shires would barely register with a chameleon man in Wallara, for instance, though his cousin in Sind would be keenly aware of it every time he shifted. Regardless of the intensity of the feeling, the chameleon man will always have a general sense of what direction the instability is located in. ----- Andrew "Cthulhudrew" Theisen Aspiring screenwriter, actor, and gadabout jsmill@wans.net "The greatest trick Doug Henning ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - Keyser Soze ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:29:51 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: [VOTE] oops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @#*%#*(@% I hate Netscape Mail, or any mailreaders that hide the "reply-to" fields, or not allow you to modify them. Grr. And now I missed the vote. Darn you AOL! Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:40:57 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologise that this came to the list and not to you personally, but as for the rest; you read your version of history and I'll read mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdaly" To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) > What a rude, off-list type of thing to say. You should be ashamed. I'm > certainly not going to set you straight here. History books are easy enough > to read. > > But I would suggest you start with a book of manners. . ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:41:59 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Maps of the Savage Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phillip Jones ha scritto: > Er, silly question here, but can anyone give me the address for Shawns site. > I recently had to blank my hard drive and lost my favourites list (next time > I'll remember to back it up first :} ). > > Thanks > > BTW if anybodys got any other addresses for mystaran sites, I would be very > grateful to have them. I've got some but my list is far from complete. Visit the Outer Being's favourite site: www.geocities.com/iuliusscaevola/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:58:08 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Nightmare Site Updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, guys, we Lorekeepers are busy these days! You can find a TASTY update on the Site at the good ol' url: www.geocities.com/iuliusscaevola/ I've already put there the wonderful article by Andrew Theisen "Making Connections: Chamaleon Men and Nightmare" that you all have received lately in the MML.... ENJOY! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:36:49 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: NPC - Janila In-Reply-To: <394D0DB0.23674451@tin.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Den-Ping Janila History: Janila is a 44-year old woman, having born on Vanya's Day, 956 AC, in a small Ochalean village. She was married off at age 17, and has raised 3 children. Her life has been rather uneventful. Personality: Janila disapproves of the adventurous women of other lands (and especially those Ochaleans who dare violate the customs of their home) and is content to be a housewife, tending after her home, her family and her garden. She is fairly personable, and only really gets riled up if someone tries to bring harm to those people and things she treasures. As a mage, she seeks to hide her abilities, as she knows they will bring rejection and disapproval from her neighbors. Rather than risking her life like other mages, she merely uses her abilities to create a better domestic scene - for instance, she uses sleep spells on her children at bedtime if they're acting up, wizard locks to safeguard the home when she's away and growth of plants to help make her garden more fashionable. Other mages may see such practical spell use as wasteful, but she sees fireballing and magic missling humanoid life in foreign lands as far more wasteful and mindless. Appearance: Janila appears as a middle-aged Ochalean woman of average height and weight. She wears typical Ochalean garb and is never armed. She often will be seen with her youngest, 4-year old Meng, when out of the home. Combat Notes: She is a 10th-level mage. AC 9; hp 21; at by spell;D by spell; save MU10; ML 9 (12 if family is threatened); Al N; S 7, I 16, W 12. D 11, Co 9, Ch 10. Languages: Neutral, Common, Ochalean, Thyatian. General Skills: Labor (Housewife) (I+3), Detect Deception (W), Guidance (W+1), Knowledge (Gardening) (I). DM Notes: Janila may present an interesting encounter for thieves or kidnappers seeking what appears to be an easy target in a typical Ochalean household. She is likely to try to encourage Ochalean lasses not to adventure, and will look to redirect such individuals into more rational (in her mind) venues. Similarily, male Ochalean mages will be greeted with the same unwanted advice. Storm Soldiers could seek to strike in Janila's town, potentially resulting in her assisting the party in defeating the Hattians. Janila can also serve as an example of pragmatic magical use, a nice deviation from your typical adventuring magic-user. Oo! Quasi on-topic .sig! - Mischa I can easily believe there are some people who do prefer working in a factory to working in a family; for there are always some people who prefer slavery to freedom, and who especially prefer being governed to governing someone else. - G. K. Chesterton, "Social Reform Versus Birth Control" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:35:10 GMT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: kevin wyton Subject: Traladaran Knights Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Greetings all I just finished reading the Penhaglion trilogy and I was curious. Does anyone know of any traladaran orders of knights? I know the Griffons are open to anyone as long as they are followers of the Church of Karameikos but does the Church of Traladara have its own order? Another book I have: Dark Knight of Karameikos details a Traladaran knight but the inference is that he is a rarity. thanks all Kevin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:35:59 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two comments: 1) Ochaleans seem to prefer one syllable Chinese sounding names. "Janila" has completely the wrong sound, especially since she is a non-adventurer of unmixed background. 2) How did she ever get to 10th level without adventuring? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:50:19 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: The Temple of Gray Mountain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, I have been playing around with B7 Rahasia and suddenlyy felt a bit creative again. The following information is based on /inspired by B7, but the article is also tied in a bit with my previous articles on Karameikos. The Temple of Gray Mountain By H�vard Faanes The Elves of Radlebb When Mealiden's elves reached the Known World, a group of minor clans broke off from the main group of the Migration and went on their separate way. They were lead by a clanmaster called Callarii, who in spite of her undying love for Mealiden Starwatcher chose to lead her people were they would find a promised land of their own. These elves later took the name of their epic heroine and became known as the Callarii elves. The land they reached was Traldara (around BC 800). Many of the clans settled in the forest later known as Radlebb. Unknown to many humans, elves pay their respects to more than one of the Divine Immortals. The worship of Theleris (Terra) has always been common among elves of all the clans of the great migration, and this practice grew in popularity after the Callarii left the other clans. Elyas the Wizard Elyas was a Thyatian wizard, trained in magic by the Alphatians (Around 150 BC). Due to the conflicts between Thyatian and their Alphatian occupants, Elyas became tired of human society and left for the remote lands of Traladara. There he befriended a group of Callarii elves who gave him a place within their forest where he constructed a tremendous tower. Elyas learned the elven ways and became known as a great philosopher and mystic among the Callarii. He spent much time studying magic, but also meditating and praying. The Immortal Patrons of his ancestors had never seemed to welcome the Wizard, but he found comfort in the worship of the elven Immortal Theleris. He founded a new philosphy in her honor, The Silent Way, which is widespread among the Callarii even today. One day, as Elyas was growing old, three horrible witches attacked the wizard's Tower. They sought a magical gem he owned, the Black Opal Eye, for its power which could make them almost invincible. None of the witches dared attack the wizard alone, but combining their magic, they were able to rival Elyas' power. In a fierce battle, they were able to call down a gray mountain to crush the archmage. As the mountain crushed his tower, Elyas was able to draw the witches inside it, where he trapped them. However Elyas himself perished. In his memory the elves began to build a temple on the mountain. Many years later a group of dwarves of the Stronghollow clan helped complete the temple. The Temple of Gray Mountain became a place of quiet meditiation and learning. Icons of Elyas, depicted as a bearded man with his legs crossed, are commonly placed near the Temple and shrines to Theleris. Elves who follow the Silent Way today are known as the Siswa. Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:51:42 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: The Witches of Radlebb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Here is some more information connected with Radlebb and B7 The Witches of Radlebb Karelena, Solorena and Trilena were three sisters who sought magical powers. Some say they were the daughters of one of the Witches of Dymrak driven away from their mother because of their inability to work magic. In their quest for power they encountered Bastoloth, a demon servant of Nyx. He bestowed upon them magical powers and gave each a demonic ally in the shape of a black panther. In Bastoloth's service, the three settled in Radlebb forest. However, their plot to turn Radlebb forest into a dark realm of their own was twarted by the Callarii elves. The witches wowed revenge, but were prevented from destroying the elves by the powerful wizard Elyas. Their desire to destroy Elyas was strengthened when they learned of the Black Opal Eye, the artifact in Elyas' posession which would make the witches almost invicible. The witches learned to combine their powers in ways which would allow them to defeat Elyas. However, both the witches and the wizard perished in the battle. The Black Opal Eye. The Black Opal Eye is actually one of the two Eyes of Traldar. The other Eye, the White Diamond Eye, is in the posession of the Seer of the Lake of Lost Dreams. The two eyes were created by a Nithian Wizard called Traldar. He was the one who originally lead the Traldar from Nithia to their current homelands. Some say that The Eyes of Traldar were actually Traldar's own eyes who had become gemstones after the Wizard had died and which still contained his magical powers. Noone knows how the Seer and Elyas obtained the two gems or whether there are any relations between the two wizards. Noone knows what became of the Black Opal Eye after Elyas Tower was destroyed. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:06:52 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Beau Yarbrough's stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I am looking for the articles on Rabdlebb written by Beau Yarbrough the last months, especially the article on the Village Midwood. I seem to remember Beau having a website, but I must have lost the URL. Can anyone send me these articles or give me a webadress where they can be found? Since I've been starting to flesh out Radlebb, i thought I'd review what others have written about the place in case it is possible to integrate those ideas. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:46:26 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First, I would make her name MORE oriental, Den Ping Jan Ila, which would mean you would call her Ila. Then I would have had her married off at the correct age of 13, or come up with a reason she didn't get married at the PROPER age. And, how and why and when did she get to be a L10 MU without adventuring herself? Does she disapprove of adventuring BECAUSE she was one, or ??? --- Mischa E Gelman wrote: > Den-Ping Janila > > History: Janila is a 44-year old woman, having born on Vanya's Day, 956 > AC, in a small Ochalean village. She was married off at age 17, and has > raised 3 children. Her life has been rather uneventful. > Personality: Janila disapproves of the adventurous women of other lands > (and especially those Ochaleans who dare violate the customs of their > home) and is content to be a housewife, tending after her home, her family > and her garden. She is fairly personable, and only really gets riled up if > someone tries to bring harm to those people and things she treasures. As a > mage, she seeks to hide her abilities, as she knows they will bring > rejection and disapproval from her neighbors. Rather than risking her life > like other mages, she merely uses her abilities to create a better > domestic scene - for instance, she uses sleep spells on her children at > bedtime if they're acting up, wizard locks to safeguard the home when > she's away and growth of plants to help make her garden more fashionable. > Other mages may see such practical spell use as wasteful, but she sees > fireballing and magic missling humanoid life in foreign lands as far more > wasteful and mindless. > Appearance: Janila appears as a middle-aged Ochalean woman of average > height and weight. She wears typical Ochalean garb and is never armed. She > often will be seen with her youngest, 4-year old Meng, when out of the > home. > Combat Notes: She is a 10th-level mage. AC 9; hp 21; at by spell;D by > spell; save MU10; ML 9 (12 if family is threatened); Al N; S 7, I 16, W > 12. D 11, Co 9, Ch 10. Languages: Neutral, Common, Ochalean, Thyatian. > General Skills: Labor (Housewife) (I+3), Detect Deception (W), Guidance > (W+1), Knowledge (Gardening) (I). > DM Notes: Janila may present an interesting encounter for thieves or > kidnappers seeking what appears to be an easy target in a typical Ochalean > household. She is likely to try to encourage Ochalean lasses not to > adventure, and will look to redirect such individuals into more rational > (in her mind) venues. Similarily, male Ochalean mages will be greeted with > the same unwanted advice. Storm Soldiers could seek to strike in Janila's > town, potentially resulting in her assisting the party in defeating the > Hattians. Janila can also serve as an example of pragmatic magical use, a > nice deviation from your typical adventuring magic-user. > > > Oo! Quasi on-topic .sig! > > - Mischa > > I can easily believe there are some people who do prefer working in a factory > to working in a family; for there are always some people who prefer > slavery to freedom, and who especially prefer being governed to governing > someone else. - G. K. Chesterton, "Social Reform Versus Birth Control" > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:03:10 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Traladaran Knights In-Reply-To: <20000618193510.65031.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, kevin wyton wrote: > I just finished reading the Penhaglion trilogy and I was curious. Does > anyone know of any traladaran orders of knights? I know the Griffons are > open to anyone as long as they are followers of the Church of Karameikos but > does the Church of Traladara have its own order? Another book I have: Dark > Knight of Karameikos details a Traladaran knight but the inference is that > he is a rarity. Keep in mind that you dont have to be a member of a Knightly Order to be a knight. In fact most knights should not be associated with a knightly order. As there are several Traladaran nobles, it would be natural to assume that all of these have several knights in their service. I dont think the Church of Traladara should have a knightly order of its own. My impression is that the CoT is fairly losely organized in the first place. This would be interesting as a goal for a player character though... H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: mortus Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hamlet I, v, 166. > Words to live by? > what is this line? for those of us without hamlet. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:38:57 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: mortus Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > 1) Ochaleans seem to prefer one syllable Chinese sounding names. "Janila" > has completely the wrong sound, especially since she is a non-adventurer > of unmixed background. > mulan was a chinese princess not just something made up by disney and her name has two syllables so why not janila? mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:00:58 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: NPC - Janila In-Reply-To: <20000618204626.23453.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > First, I would make her name MORE oriental, Den Ping Jan Ila, which > would mean you would call her Ila. Sounds good. My knowledge of Asian names is weak. > Then I would have had her married off > at the correct age of 13, or come up with a reason she didn't get > married at the PROPER age. I had no clue that 13 would have been the proper age - thanks for the correction. > And, how and why and when did she get to be a > L10 MU without adventuring herself? Many Mystaran products allow for XP gain due to good role-playing in addition to combat or treasure-finding. Did all the 20+ level NPCs in the GAZs have histories as adventuring types? Certainly not. I don't think this aspect of the char is inconsistent with canon. Thanks to allfor the comments/corrections - Mischa I can easily believe there are some people who do prefer working in a factory to working in a family; for there are always some people who prefer slavery to freedom, and who especially prefer being governed to governing someone else. - G. K. Chesterton, "Social Reform Versus Birth Control" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:44:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Marco Fossati Subject: R: Re: [MYSTARA] NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Wizards Shopper To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] NPC - Janila > Two comments: > > 1) Ochaleans seem to prefer one syllable Chinese sounding names. "Janila" > has completely the wrong sound, especially since she is a non-adventurer > of unmixed background. > > 2) How did she ever get to 10th level without adventuring? GAZ 3 says wizards can gain xp by spell research, not only developing unique spell but also learning already common ones. So she could have been able to reach 10th level without adventuring just only sitting in her laboratory or pondering over some magic tomes in some libraries.. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:55:20 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-06-18 5:49:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jobo@EIRCOM.NET writes: << mulan was a chinese princess not just something made up by disney and her name has two syllables so why not janila? >> "Mulan" was originally something like "Mu Lan", I would guess. Most pure Chinese names that I am familiar with consist of either two or three separate syllables, each of which sounds as though it could stand alone to my Western ears, even though Chinese people may have other ideas on that matter. The surname comes first, followed by the given name, which is either a single syllable or (more likely) two "strong" syllables. "Janila" simply sounds wrong, especially if it is broken up into separate syllables as "Ja Ni La" or "Jan I La" (in which case it is a very weak and odd sounding full name). Even if her given name is "I La", it is unlikely that it would sound anything like the English name "Ila". In a message dated 2000-06-18 6:01:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcogiulio.fossati@TIN.IT writes: << GAZ 3 says wizards can gain xp by spell research, not only developing unique spell but also learning already common ones. So she could have been able to reach 10th level without adventuring just only sitting in her laboratory or pondering over some magic tomes in some libraries.. >> Then you should add a few items to her biography, such as an adventuring husband or wealthy patron who keeps her supplied with research material as well as a nanny for her children (as rearing her own children seems to be incompatible with the amount of research needed for her to get to level 10 at such a young age without adventuring). Alternatively, you could avoid the need for a nanny by making her older -- perhaps 60+. In a message dated 2000-06-18 4:45:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kar_ess@YAHOO.COM writes: << Then I would have had her married off at the correct age of 13, or come up with a reason she didn't get married at the PROPER age. >> What is your reference for 13 being the proper marriage age in either Ochalea or in RW China? I had the impression that late teens would be more typical, even though betrothal could occur at age 13 or even much earlier. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:04:29 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Matthew Wang Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mischa, I did not get to read the whole thing but I just wanted to comment about the Chinese name issue. I am Chinese, but not completely fluent. I basically have the reading/writing ability of a junior high school kid. Chinese names I divided into three syllables with the first one being the person's surname and the last two forming the actual name. For example, Mulan's name is actually Fa Mu Lan with the Fa being her family's name. In Chinese, most people are addressed by the last two syllables. I hope this helps. Matt Wang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:11:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Traladaran Knights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I dont think the Church of Traladara should have a knightly order of its > own. My impression is that the CoT is fairly losely organized in the first > place. This would be interesting as a goal for a player character > though... > Post "Hail the Heroes" if CoT has the Shield of Halav would be a perfect time for the beginnings of such a group. Call them the "Companions of the Shield" or some such, with vows to aid the bearer of the shield when needed and so forth. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:41:30 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Beau Yarbrough's stuff In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable At 22:06 6/18/00 +0200, H=E5vard wrote: >I am looking for the articles on Rabdlebb written by Beau Yarbrough the >last months, especially the article on the Village Midwood. >I seem to remember Beau having a website, but I must have lost the URL. >Can anyone send me these articles or give me a webadress where they can be >found? > >Since I've been starting to flesh out Radlebb, i thought I'd review what >others have written about the place in case it is possible to integrate >those ideas. Weeeell, I asked that they be taken down, as my players have found the official Mystara Web site. I'll send you my latest Word file of the campaign from work tomorrow and once this campaign is over (by early fall, I'm sure), I'll post a revised and complete version online at Sean's site. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:47:32 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:18 mortus wrote: >> Hamlet I, v, 166. >> Words to live by? >> >what is this line? >for those of us without hamlet. > "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Leave it to a Dane to know a quote from the story about the Prince of Denmark :) - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:51:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: NPC - Janila Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:44:49 Marco Fossati wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Wizards Shopper >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 9:35 PM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] NPC - Janila > > >> Two comments: >> >> 1) Ochaleans seem to prefer one syllable Chinese sounding names. "Janila" >> has completely the wrong sound, especially since she is a non-adventurer >> of unmixed background. >> I don't mind her name so much. It may be odd, but usually that just adds character to the, well, character ;) >> 2) How did she ever get to 10th level without adventuring? > >GAZ 3 says wizards can gain xp by spell research, not only developing unique >spell but also learning already common ones. So she could have been able to >reach 10th level without adventuring just only sitting in her laboratory or >pondering over some magic tomes in some libraries.. > Besides, the DMG does state that most mages won't go out adventuring, but rather spend their entire life studying and researching magic. I've always assumed that they could rise to high levels on that basis alone, although they could do so nowhere nearly as fast as adventuring mages! - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:54:09 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: HaMelech25@AOL.COM Subject: Re: NPC - Janila Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> mulan was a chinese princess not just something made >> up by disney and her name has two syllables so why >> not Janila? > > "Mulan" was originally something like "Mu Lan", I > would guess. Most pure Chinese names that I am > familiar with consist of either two or three > separate syllables, each of which sounds as though it > could stand alone to my Western ears, even though > Chinese people may have other ideas on that matter. > The surname comes first, followed by the given name, > which is either a single syllable or (more likely) > two "strong" syllables. I think that Mulan is the original. To be specific her name was, IIRC, Fa Mulan. Surname Fa, given name Mulan. Which does sound Chinese enough, although it easily could be Japanese. > > "Janila" simply sounds wrong, especially if it is > broken up into separate syllables as "Ja Ni La" or > "Jan I La" (in which case it is a very weak and > odd sounding full name). Even if her given name is "I > La", it is unlikely that it would sound anything like > the English name "Ila". Janila however does not sound very Chinese. Two many sylables, and they are two sharp. Ja-Ni-La. That sounds very Japanese, IMHO. Jan Ila could work, but it's very tortured. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:56:49 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: HaMelech25@AOL.COM Subject: Re: NPC - Janila Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So "Ja Ni La" could actually work as a name? (I'd spell it Ja Nila, just to make it look right to western eyes. It's a translideration anyways...) In a message dated Sun, 18 Jun 2000 8:05:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Matthew Wang writes: << Mischa, I did not get to read the whole thing but I just wanted to comment about the Chinese name issue. I am Chinese, but not completely fluent. I basically have the reading/writing ability of a junior high school kid. Chinese names I divided into three syllables with the first one being the person's surname and the last two forming the actual name. For example, Mulan's name is actually Fa Mu Lan with the Fa being her family's name. In Chinese, most people are addressed by the last two syllables. I hope this helps. Matt Wang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:00:43 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:55:20 EDT, Wizards Shopper wrote: >In a message dated 2000-06-18 5:49:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jobo@EIRCOM.NET writes: > ><< mulan was a chinese princess not just something made up by disney and her > name has two syllables so why not janila? >> > >"Mulan" was originally something like "Mu Lan", I would guess. Most >pure Chinese names that I am familiar with consist of either two or three >separate syllables, each of which sounds as though it could stand alone >to my Western ears, even though Chinese people may have other ideas >on that matter. The surname comes first, followed by the given name, >which is either a single syllable or (more likely) two "strong" syllables. > >"Janila" simply sounds wrong, especially if it is broken up into separate >syllables as "Ja Ni La" or "Jan I La" (in which case it is a very weak and >odd sounding full name). Even if her given name is "I La", it is unlikely >that it would sound anything like the English name "Ila". Just thought I'd share my 2 fen on the issue at hand. I studied Mandarin Chinese for 6 months in Beijing, and now proudly possess the linguistic skills of a Chinese 4 year-old (at best!) :0). However, I (hopefully!) know more than a toddler about Chinese culture and linguistics, since I can read about those subjects in my native tongue. Here's a table listing the various ways one could reasonably interpret Mrs. Den's name in Mandarin syllables: "Den-Ping Janila" Pinyin Romanization|Wade-Giles Romanization|Approx. English Pronunciation ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Denping Zhanyila | T=EAn-p'ing Chan-i-la | DUHN-PING JAHN-EE-LAH Denping Zhanila | T=EAn-p'ing Cha-ni-la | DUHN-PING JAH-NEE-LAH Denping Ranyila | T=EAn-p'ing Jan-i-la | DUHN-PING ZHAHN-EE-LAH Denping Ranila | T=EAn-p'ing Ja-ni-la | DUHN-PING ZHAH-NEE-LAH NOTES: --The Pinyin ('Phonetic') Romanization is official in mainland China (ie. the People's Republic of China), and in the last decade or two, has pretty much established itself as the world standard. --The Wade-Giles Romanization was the unofficial world standard romanization= (outside of Communist China) throughout most of this century, and is still used in some Western academic circles, and has been the de facto standard in= Taiwan (the Republic of China). Several other lesser-known romanization schemes exist, including the "official" Taiwanese Ministry of Education's system, which never really caught on, even within the Taiwanese government itself. Just this year, Taiwan finally acknowledged the dominance of the Pinyin system, and begrudgingly adopted the "communist" system as its official romanization (though there's still some fierce residual debate on the matter). On a gaming-related note, the Wade-Giles system was used in the= AD&D "Oriental Adventures" hardcover, and thus in the Forgotten Realms' "Kara-Tur" subsetting. However, the Pinyin system is used in the new Chinese-themed (near-)AD&D "Dragon Fist" game (though as a warning to any who's read the "Dragon Fist" material: the author awkwardly mixes Mandarin spellings with mostly Cantonese pronunciation advice). BTW, "Dragon Fist" is= available for free download in its entirety at the WotC website -- which is cool, because many of the game's elements can be swiped for use in Ochalea. Oh, as far as romanizations go, Mystara's scarce Ochalean-related materials use a seemingly random mixture of both systems. For example, the capital, "Beitung", would properly be "Beitong" or "Beidong" (depending on what the meaning of the name is supposed to be) using Pinyin, and "Pei-t'ung" or "Pei-tung" using Wade-Giles. Anyway, as Kaviyd and Matt mentioned, even with a "proper" romanization, five syllables really is too long for a Chinese name. Almost all family names have only one syllable (though a rare few have two), and given names vary in length between one and two syllables. To a native Chinese, a name with five syllables would be as unwieldy and odd as, say, "Winchester Baskerville Poindexter Cunningham Pennington" would be to an English-speaker. Sure, someone *could* have such a name, but it would almost= have to be used for a farcical character. Since it seems like Mrs. Den is supposed to be a "common" sort of person, it wouldn't make sense for her to have such a name, without any explanation or comment attached. For a RW illustration of Chinese name length, here's some of my real life Chinese friends' names (written using both romanization systems): Zhao Feng (Chao F=EAng) Cai Nan (Ts'ai Nan) Gao Haiming (Kao Hai-ming) L=FC Lin (L=FC Lin) Lin Junjun (Lin Ch=FCn-ch=FCn) I won't even begin to guess what specific characters (and thus, meanings) actually constitute Mrs. Den's name, because, as the Chinese themselves will= readily admit, creating Chinese personal names is a fairly esoteric art (and= thus way beyond my non-fluent ability). Additionally, in my opinion, just as= Thyatians don't speak a M-*Modern* Greek, but instead, a M-*Middle* Greek, Ochaleans may not actually speak a M-Modern Mandarin Chinese, but rather an archaic predecessor, such as M-Old Mandarin, or M-Middle Chinese, depending on what era of RW historical China Ochalea best represents. If the Ochalean language does indeed parallel an older era of RW-Chinese, then any modern romanization would be incorrect, to a greater or lesser degree, depending on= how old our RW-Chinese language model is. This is beccause, in Chinese, as in all spoken languages, the sounds naturally shift through time. Sorry to obsess on one minor aspect of the post. Keep those NPC writeups a-comin' Mischa. :-) Shane ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:11:26 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Shane Henry Subject: Re: NPC - Janila MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:00:43 -0700, Shane Henry wrote: >Here's a table listing the various ways one could reasonably interpret Mrs.= >Den's name in Mandarin syllables: > >"Den-Ping Janila" > >Pinyin Romanization|Wade-Giles Romanization|Approx. English Pronunciation >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Denping Zhanyila | T=EAn-p'ing Chan-i-la | DUHN-PING JAHN-EE-LAH >Denping Zhanila | T=EAn-p'ing Cha-ni-la | DUHN-PING JAH-NEE-LAH >Denping Ranyila | T=EAn-p'ing Jan-i-la | DUHN-PING ZHAHN-EE-LAH >Denping Ranila | T=EAn-p'ing Ja-ni-la | DUHN-PING ZHAH-NEE-LAH Oh, I guess my whole point was going to be that it'd make the most sense for= her full name to be either simply "Den Ping", or simply "Zhan Yila" (or one of the similar-sounding variants listed in the columns above, namely: "Zha Nila", "Ran Yila", or "Ra Nila"). Shane (who's bad about wandering off topic) :o/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:26:17 CEST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: NPC - Janila's name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed I'm not an expert in oriental languages, but as far as I know about linguistics and philology, Mu-Lan is a 2 mono-syllabic term, very Chinese-like, while Janila sounds rather Semitic (Arab?), or else Indoeuropean (Hindu?). But surely not Far East. Chinese is strictly monosyllabic backing from its (known) origins, like a few languages (f.e.ancient Sumerian) are. And Ja-nee-la doesn't look Chinese to me because of its uneven consonantism. I would simply accept that there are mistakes in "canon", or else find out some peculiar reason for which a FOREIGN name was given to her. Just IMHO, though. Federico. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:00:58 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: NPC - Janila's name MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-06-19 4:27:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kaftal@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << I would simply accept that there are mistakes in "canon", or else find out some peculiar reason for which a FOREIGN name was given to her. >> As near as I can tell no "canonical" issues are raised by Janila -- she exists only in posts to this list of the past couple of days and certainly not in anything published by TSR or WotC. As such, all we need to do is give her a proper Chinese-sounding name and a bio that properly explains how she could so quickly reach 10th level as a mage while staying at home and raising a family and there will remain no further issues to address. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:37:19 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: The Witches of Radlebb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both this and Elya's stories are interesting. Good work! Iulius Sergius Scaevola the Exploding Thyatian ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:03:27 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: The Witches of Radlebb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i find it hard to believe that such low level witches can lift a mountain over the poor elyas' tower and crush it. If i recall correctly, there is such a spell in the netheril supplement of FR but it is a tenth level spell.... -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr If you need any maps regarding Mystara, check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:54:13 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: The Witches of Radlebb In-Reply-To: <394E8A9F.BC689F26@club-internet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, thibault sarlat wrote: > i find it hard to believe that such low level witches can lift a mountain > over the poor elyas' tower and crush it. > If i recall correctly, there is such a spell in the netheril supplement of FR > but it is a tenth level spell.... I agree. That part about the mountain was taken straight from the module though. Personally, I don't think the module was very good at all, although I, IMO managed to salvage most of the interesting parts in my writeup. What I would do is to increase the level of the witches, since we don't really have to make this into a module for 1-3rd level characters. Having the witches being around level 9-10 would make a whole lot of sense. Elyas himself was probably a 36th level wizard. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:39:53 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: [Re: [MYSTARA] The Witches of Radlebb] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H=E5vard wrote: > >I agree. That part about the mountain was taken straight from the module= >though. = It could also be taken as hyperbole- perhaps they just caused a landslide= or something that buried Elyas' tower. The temple of the Siswa (which is bui= lt over the tower) is connected to the mountain, after all. Perhaps Elyas' t= ower was on the side, and got buried in an avalanche. >Personally, I don't think the module was very good at all, >although I, IMO managed to salvage most of the interesting parts in my >writeup. I actually liked it quite a bit, although the sudden abrupt change from t= he Rahib to the Witches as villains was a bit jarring (but then, it was inte= nded as one of those tournament modules, so was probably carried out in two installments.) With slight modifications, it makes for a good module, and= an interesting campaign setting, I think. I do agree with several posters that it probably should have been moved t= o the eastern edge of the Canolbarth (near Selenica) due to the Arab influences= , but "canonically" it was placed in the Radlebb woods by module B1-9, and I th= ink Havard's writeup is very well done. I especially like the connection betw= een the Witches' stone and the Eye of Traldar (the two eyes thing is inspired= !) >What I would do is to increase the level of the witches, since we don't >really have to make this into a module for 1-3rd level characters. Havin= g >the witches being around level 9-10 would make a whole lot of sense. >Elyas himself was probably a 36th level wizard. Witches of those levels would certainly be capable of causing an avalanch= e, perhaps they had Immortal assistance in their endeavors as well. As for their low level in the module, it could certainly be argued that t= hey hadn't managed to regain their full might (they were only newly resurrect= ed, and transplanted into elven bodies). ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:15:41 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: The Witches of Radlebb] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:39:53 Andrew Theisen wrote: >Hevard wrote: >> >>I agree. That part about the mountain was taken straight from the module >>though. > >It could also be taken as hyperbole- perhaps they just caused a landslide or >something that buried Elyas' tower. The temple of the Siswa (which is built >over the tower) is connected to the mountain, after all. Perhaps Elyas' tower >was on the side, and got buried in an avalanche. > Possibly, but I find it more likely that this is simply how the story has been told over the years. And the good stories are always exaggerated... The really good ones to *huge* degree eventually! >>Personally, I don't think the module was very good at all, >>although I, IMO managed to salvage most of the interesting parts in my >>writeup. > Well, it was interesting to read. Good job, btw! (snip) > >>What I would do is to increase the level of the witches, since we don't >>really have to make this into a module for 1-3rd level characters. Having >>the witches being around level 9-10 would make a whole lot of sense. >>Elyas himself was probably a 36th level wizard. > >Witches of those levels would certainly be capable of causing an avalanche, >perhaps they had Immortal assistance in their endeavors as well. > All possible, but I find it more satisfying to simply conclude that the story was vastly exaggerated as it happens so often... If Elyas was really that tough a wizard, then why are there no other legends about him? I don't care so much for all those high-leveled people, to be perfectly honest... >As for their low level in the module, it could certainly be argued that they >hadn't managed to regain their full might (they were only newly resurrected, >and transplanted into elven bodies). > Could be. Only elves are good wizards, aren't they? - The Stalker of Alphatia Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:24:58 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: The Witches of Radlebb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must admit that the "Rahasia" module still gives me the creeps, partly because for me it was first run by a DM who is now serving a very long prison sentence for a crime that need not be detailed here -- and partly because he gave a very creepy portrayal of the Rahib. I doubt that I will ever be able to revisit that module in an objective frame of mind. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:22:43 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: The Witches of Radlebb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wizards Shopper ha scritto: > I must admit that the "Rahasia" module still gives me the creeps, partly > because for me it was first run by a DM who is now serving a very long > prison sentence for a crime that need not be detailed here -- and partly > because he gave a very creepy portrayal of the Rahib. I doubt that I will > ever be able to revisit that module in an objective frame of mind. .............. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:42:02 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: mortus Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." > > Leave it to a Dane to know a quote from the story about the Prince of Denmark :) > > > - The Stalker of Alphatia > i didn't know paul was a dane! ;-) mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:01:24 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:42:02 mortus wrote: >> "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of >in your philosophy." >> >> Leave it to a Dane to know a quote from the story about the Prince of >Denmark :) >> >> >> - The Stalker of Alphatia >> >i didn't know paul was a dane! ;-) > >mortus. > Neither did I! :) Besides, we don't know that he knew the quote - he just stated were it was... ;) - The Stalker BTW: Boy, I don't think I've ever seen the list as quiet as it is today - only four messages today related in any to Mystara at all - Gosh! The usual limit is at least sixteen... Is that migrating list ogre taking everyone with him? :) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:44:12 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Where do get beautiful maps? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. A while ago, someone made these gorgeous maps of RedStone and Darokin using Adobe Illustrator. What is the URL for these maps? HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:17:09 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Leroy Van Camp III Subject: [ADMIN] Election; And the Winner is... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well folks, here it is, the results of the vote for the new Administrator of the Mystara Mailing List... Geoff Gander: 23 Alan Shutko: 20 Gordon McCormick: 5 It was a close race between the two front runners, but Geoff managed to win by three votes. Congratulations to Geoff, as well as Alan and Gordon for giving it a good try. At this point I am not handling the list over quite yet. I am going to be very busy through the weekend. This works out well as it will allow Geoff some time to come up with his own variance of the list guidelines, and read over the tech manual. Go ahead and drop me a line, Geoff. Leroy Van Camp III malacoda@uswest.net http://www.users.uswest.net/~malacoda/TarkasBrainLabIV.html ICQ #20039817 "My hamster had five babies last week. This morning when I looked in the cage she had ate two of them little babies. What the heck. Had a couple myself." Earl, Red Meat ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:12:27 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i cannot believe you are asking this question..... maps = thibault = http://www.mystara.com.bi maps by other section Darth Darknerd a �crit: > Hello. A while ago, someone made these gorgeous maps of RedStone and Darokin using Adobe Illustrator. What is the URL for these maps? > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr If you need any maps regarding Mystara, check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:28:12 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Another HP-themed GSoM spell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Feedback, please. This spell is mentioned in passing in the beginning of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," and seemed to be a natural fit for Glantri, as you'll see. --- Freeze Flame Alteration Level: Sor/Wiz 1 Components: V Casting Time: One action Range: 10 feet/level Effect: One flame of up to 1 cubic foot/level Duration: 1 minute/level Saving Throw: Yes Spell Resistance: Yes Originally brought to Mystara by the Amberville family, freeze flame has been widely available through the Great School of Magic for generations. The spell allows the caster to render a single area of flame or fire harmless for the duration of the spell. The flame may be spawned by multiple burning objects, but must form, essentially, one large area of flame, such as that of a pyre or fireplace. For the duration of the spell, anyone in contact with the flame will suffer less damage than normal. The reduction is 1d6/level up to 5d6 at fifth level. The spell cannot heal damage, though, so any reduction in damage greater than the damage potentially caused by the fire is ignored. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:00:23 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO, NO, NO. These are good maps, but there were some maps that just so extremely beautiful. They were created in ILLUSTRATOR. They actually look better than published TSR works. These are the maps I want to get, but I lost the URL. I am not very fond of these maps as many of these are drawn with the cities on west-east axis. I hesitate to mention any negative comment because I know tremendous (let me emphasize tremendous) work has been put into these and it is most appreciated. regards, Joaquin --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:12:27 thibault sarlat wrote: >i cannot believe you are asking this question..... >maps = thibault = http://www.mystara.com.bi >maps by other section > >Darth Darknerd a icrit: > >> Hello. A while ago, someone made these gorgeous maps of RedStone and Darokin using Adobe Illustrator. What is the URL for these maps? >> >> HotBot - Search smarter. >> http://www.hotbot.com >> >> ******************************************************************** >> The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >-- >Thibault Sarlat >ICQ 16622177. >My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr >My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr >If you need any maps regarding Mystara, >check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi >Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, >rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:33:38 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? In-Reply-To: Darth Darknerd's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:00:23 -0700" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Darth Darknerd writes: > These are good maps, but there were some maps that just so extremely > beautiful. They were created in ILLUSTRATOR. They actually look > better than published TSR works. These are the maps I want to get, > but I lost the URL. Actually, I'm interested in this too. People may remember a brief thread a few weeks ago about vector-style maps, that could be printed on parchment and handed out to players. I love Thibault's maps (btw, what software do you use for hex mapping) but something more like the trail maps would be better for player handouts, and something in illustrator (or any other vector format) would be easier to modify. I have started on a Karameikos map in this style, but my mapmaking skills are limited, and my laptop has been taking an extended repair vacation, so nothing has been done on them in a while. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 142 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes, 10 seconds till we run away. Sex is a disrobic experience. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:08:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Succession to the Karameikos Throne. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got an idea for a campaign plot, involving a fight for the succession to the throne in Karameikos. Basically, Duke Stefan lies gravely ill from a mysterious illness, and the clerics that tend him believe that it only a matter of time before he will die. Now, although Justin is heir apparent (being eldest male child), Valen (under the "guidence" of some not so savoury characters - followers of Atzanteotl I've chosen for the moment, but if you can think of someone better, I'm open to suggestions) believes that the throne should be his, and the stirrings of civil war is abound in Karameikos. What I want to know is are there any other factions that would sieze this opportunity to try to grab the throne? (I've already thought of Lady Marilenev.) Which side would Lady Adriana back or would she become a third contender for the throne? What about Duchess Olivia? And, of course, the obvious question - do you think that Justin would be the heir apparent to the throne, and if not, why? Thanks :) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:09:46 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit here they can be found http://perso.club-internet.fr/thibsylv/maps/redstone.jpg http://perso.club-internet.fr/thibsylv/maps/darokin.jpg both were made by Hoddie, but so far i has stopped maintaining his own site so i asked him to put his creations on my site. as for the wrong orientation of the hexes , it has been corrected.I shall be able to release soon all the gaz maps remade with a good orientation, plus wendar, and denagoth and heldann and the heldland (all of them in 8 miles per hex) plus the big project i am working on with addrian mattias and caroletti (the whole planet in 72 miles ). It is almost readyit will be about 1.5 meg big in gif , i just need to make the vulcania penninsula (easy because geoof fid it before) and the eastern skothar ( big piece because not done by anyone).If anyone has suggestion about the tanagoro empire , mail me a note.. Darth Darknerd a �crit: > NO, NO, NO. > > These are good maps, but there were some maps that just so extremely beautiful. They were created in ILLUSTRATOR. They actually look better than published TSR works. These are the maps I want to get, but I lost the URL. > > I am not very fond of these maps as many of these are drawn with the cities on west-east axis. I hesitate to mention any negative comment because I know tremendous (let me emphasize tremendous) work has been put into these and it is most appreciated. > > regards, > Joaquin > > --- > How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, > if the Ethengar horde got bored? > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:12:27 thibault sarlat wrote: > >i cannot believe you are asking this question..... > >maps = thibault = http://www.mystara.com.bi > >maps by other section > > > >Darth Darknerd a icrit: > > > >> Hello. A while ago, someone made these gorgeous maps of RedStone and Darokin using Adobe Illustrator. What is the URL for these maps? > >> > >> HotBot - Search smarter. > >> http://www.hotbot.com > >> > >> ******************************************************************** > >> The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >> Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > >-- > >Thibault Sarlat > >ICQ 16622177. > >My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr > >My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr > >If you need any maps regarding Mystara, > >check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi > >Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, > >rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. -- Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177. My first adress (checked daily) is thibsylv@club-internet.fr My other adress is tsarlat@etu.montaigne.u-bordeaux.fr If you need any maps regarding Mystara, check my Homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Pour rejoindre la Mystara mailing liste francophone, rendez-vous sur ma page de garde en bas. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:19:57 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? In-Reply-To: thibault sarlat's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:09:46 +0200" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thibault sarlat writes: > both were made by Hoddie, but so far i has stopped maintaining his own site > so i asked him to put his creations on my site. Wow, those do look nice and clean. I'd love to see the original Illustrator files. Is he on the list, or could you ask him for tips on doing hex maps in a vector program? I'm using Corel Draw, and I have no idea hot to make things fit that well. Of course, I'm a very novice user of Corel Draw. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 142 days, 18 hours, 17 minutes, 22 seconds till we run away. Join the march to save individuality! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:28:47 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: [Re: [MYSTARA] Where do get beautiful maps?] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan Shutko wrote: >Darth Darknerd writes: > > These are good maps, but there were some maps that just so extremely > beautiful. They were created in ILLUSTRATOR. They actually look > better than published TSR works. These are the maps I want to get, > but I lost the URL. I think you're referring to Ironwolf's maps of the Savage Coast, which, I= IRC, were made in either Illustrator or Photoshop. Don't recall the URL offhan= d, but it is accessible from Shawn's site (it's called Tales of the Known World). >Actually, I'm interested in this too. People may remember a brief >thread a few weeks ago about vector-style maps, that could be printed >on parchment and handed out to players. I love Thibault's maps (btw, >what software do you use for hex mapping) but something more like the >trail maps would be better for player handouts, and something in >illustrator (or any other vector format) would be easier to modify. Thibault's cartographer is different from mine, but if anyone is interest= ed (and there are a couple of people I still need to get back to; if you're reading this, I haven't forgotten you, I'll send you the info soon, promi= se) I can provide the hex templates that I made and use, which were created wit= h MS Paint. The colors aren't entirely to my liking (hence the reason some of = my maps have different colors for similar hexes), but I've recently discover= ed that if I work in True Color, I can get very close approximations of the colors used on the TSR maps, and they look very cool... problem is, the s= ize of the maps doubles (at least, I forget what the actual numbers are. 1.2 = MB, I think), so unless you've got some sort of compressor (I don't), they may = be too big and unwieldy. = ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:43:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: mortus Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > BTW: Boy, I don't think I've ever seen the list as quiet as it is today - only four messages today related in any to Mystara at all - Gosh! The usual limit is at least sixteen... Is that migrating list ogre taking everyone with him? :) > maybe he's using a scorched earth policy and leaving nothing behind ;-) mortus. seriously though 'tis a pity he's goin' Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:53:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: mortus Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Where do get beautiful maps?] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i too would like a copy please. mortus >Thibault's cartographer is different from mine, but if anyone is interested (and there are a couple of people I still need to get back to; if you're reading this, I haven't forgotten you, I'll send you the info soon, promise) I can provide the hex templates that I made and use, which were created with MS Paint. The colors aren't entirely to my liking (hence the reason some of my maps have different colors for similar hexes), but I've recently discovered that if I work in True Color, I can get very close approximations of the colors used on the TSR maps, and they look very cool... problem is, the size of the maps doubles (at least, I forget what the actual numbers are. 1.2 MB, I think), so unless you've got some sort of compressor (I don't), they may be too big and unwieldy.< ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:18:12 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Where do get beautiful maps?] In-Reply-To: <20000621212847.24493.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Andrew Theisen wrote: > I think you're referring to Ironwolf's maps of the Savage Coast, which, IIRC, > were made in either Illustrator or Photoshop. Don't recall the URL offhand, > but it is accessible from Shawn's site (it's called Tales of the Known > World). http://users.ewa.net/ironwolf/ H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:25:15 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Election; And the Winner is... In-Reply-To: <078a01bfdad2$fc10a5c0$eb22e1cf@thedeadlands> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Leroy Van Camp III wrote: > Well folks, here it is, the results of the vote for the new Administrator > of the Mystara Mailing List... > > Geoff Gander: 23 > Alan Shutko: 20 > Gordon McCormick: 5 Congratulations Geoff! I'm glad we had as many as three good competitors and I think that shows that this list will suvive for a long time. I think Geoff is well suited for the job, and I'm glad that you are willing to take on this task Geoff. I would also like to thank Leroy for a great job well done. Like people have said before, I hope that this doesn't mean we've seen the last of you Mr Ogre, even though you will (hopefully) be less of an orge in the future ;) Sincerely, H�vard Faanes Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:50:51 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to get the vector format as well. Then I could contribute beautiful maps as well. --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:19:57 Alan Shutko wrote: >thibault sarlat writes: > >> both were made by Hoddie, but so far i has stopped maintaining his own site >> so i asked him to put his creations on my site. > >Wow, those do look nice and clean. I'd love to see the original >Illustrator files. Is he on the list, or could you ask him for tips >on doing hex maps in a vector program? > >I'm using Corel Draw, and I have no idea hot to make things fit that >well. Of course, I'm a very novice user of Corel Draw. > >-- >Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! >142 days, 18 hours, 17 minutes, 22 seconds till we run away. >Join the march to save individuality! > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:52:37 CDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Sideswipe2 Subject: Re: Succession to the Karameikos Throne. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If I remember right, according to the Karameikos boxed set, Lady Adriana was named by King Stefen to be the heir to the throne. But if you go by the GAZ it could be up to anyone of the three. Plus with all the "bad blood" between the Traladaran nobility and the king/duke, I'm sure that all of them would be vying for the throne. And don't forget that one Cleric of the Church of Karameikos, (can't remember his name right now and I don't have my rpg stuff with me) he believes that everyone should be good little Karameikans (a.k.a. Thyatians) and is vying for the High Clerics possition. With Stefen being ill and all the concern Jowett has for him, it seems like a perfect opportunity for this character to try for not only the High Priest position but also the throne itself. Just my 2 cents worth. Sideswipe2 (Tod) >From: Phillip Jones >I've got an idea for a campaign plot, involving a fight for the succession >to the throne in Karameikos. Basically, Duke Stefan lies gravely ill from a >mysterious illness, and the clerics that tend him believe that it only a >matter of time before he will die. Now, although Justin is heir apparent >(being eldest male child), Valen (under the "guidence" of some not so >savoury characters - followers of Atzanteotl I've chosen for the moment, >but >if you can think of someone better, I'm open to suggestions) believes that >the throne should be his, and the stirrings of civil war is abound in >Karameikos. > >What I want to know is are there any other factions that would sieze this >opportunity to try to grab the throne? (I've already thought of Lady >Marilenev.) Which side would Lady Adriana back or would she become a third >contender for the throne? What about Duchess Olivia? And, of course, the >obvious question - do you think that Justin would be the heir apparent to >the throne, and if not, why? > >Thanks :) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:53:28 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: [Re: [MYSTARA] Where do get beautiful maps?] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit None of the links seem to work. :'( See, someone is teasing us... :'( --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:18:12 Hevard wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Andrew Theisen wrote: > >> I think you're referring to Ironwolf's maps of the Savage Coast, which, IIRC, >> were made in either Illustrator or Photoshop. Don't recall the URL offhand, >> but it is accessible from Shawn's site (it's called Tales of the Known >> World). > >http://users.ewa.net/ironwolf/ > >Hevard > >Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) >http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc > >"Would it not be easier in this case for the government > to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:26:27 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:43:28 mortus wrote: >> >> BTW: Boy, I don't think I've ever seen the list as quiet as it is today - >only four messages today related in any to Mystara at all - Gosh! The usual >limit is at least sixteen... Is that migrating list ogre taking everyone >with him? :) >> >maybe he's using a scorched earth policy and leaving nothing behind ;-) > >mortus. > >seriously though 'tis a pity he's goin' > Yes :( Still, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the only ogre I ever liked, our very own List Ogre, Leroy Van Camp III. Thank you for creating the MML and for all your hard work here. I hope you'll stay here and not abandon us completely. I should also congratulate Geoff Gander for being elected the new Moderator. Will you be the List Troll or what? :) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:39:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Succession to the Karameikos Throne. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>From: Phillip Jones >>I've got an idea for a campaign plot, involving a fight for the succession >>to the throne in Karameikos. Basically, Duke Stefan lies gravely ill from a >>mysterious illness, and the clerics that tend him believe that it only a >>matter of time before he will die. That should really be King Stefan according to canon, unless you're playing pre-WOTI (sorry if I'm splitting hairs...) > Now, although Justin is heir apparent >>(being eldest male child), Valen (under the "guidence" of some not so >>savoury characters - followers of Atzanteotl I've chosen for the moment, >>but >>if you can think of someone better, I'm open to suggestions) believes that >>the throne should be his, and the stirrings of civil war is abound in >>Karameikos. >> In the 1012 Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure set King Stefan has already named Adriana and her husband Devon Hyraksos as the heirs to the throne. But, again, that presumes you're playing by canon, which you need not do. >>What I want to know is are there any other factions that would sieze this >>opportunity to try to grab the throne? (I've already thought of Lady >>Marilenev.) Well, if you're pre-WOTI then I'd nominate everyone's favorite villain, Baron Ludwig von Hendriks - the Black Eagle! In fact, even if you're at a later date, he'd still do pretty much anything he could to grab the throne of Karameikos, I think! >> Which side would Lady Adriana back or would she become a third >>contender for the throne? According to source, she would be the prime contender for the throne. Even if she is not, I'd still have her be a contender, as it seems rather out-of-character for her to sit back and let her younger brothers grab it simply because she's a woman, IMHO. >> What about Duchess Olivia? IIRC, both Gaz1 and K:KoA say pretty clearly that she'd prefer Valen to be the next King. >>And, of course, the >>obvious question - do you think that Justin would be the heir apparent to >>the throne, and if not, why? >> No, but if it's not Adriana he is the most logical choice, simply because Justin is always described as totally uninterested in these things. Still, I suppose he could have been plotting all these years... :) On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:52:37 The Sideswipe2 wrote: >If I remember right, according to the Karameikos boxed set, Lady Adriana was >named by King Stefen to be the heir to the throne. Yes, you're right! >But if you go by the GAZ >it could be up to anyone of the three. Plus with all the "bad blood" >between the Traladaran nobility and the king/duke, I'm sure that all of them >would be vying for the throne. Most certainly :) > And don't forget that one Cleric of the >Church of Karameikos, (can't remember his name right now and I don't have my >rpg stuff with me) he believes that everyone should be good little >Karameikans (a.k.a. Thyatians) and is vying for the High Clerics possition. > You're thinking of Alfric Oderbry, the opposition leader of the Church of Karameikos, right? In fact, I think you could have him make an alliance with Baron Desmond Kelvin II - he always seemed rather harsh to me, too. >With Stefen being ill and all the concern Jowett has for him, it seems like >a perfect opportunity for this character to try for not only the High Priest >position but also the throne itself. Just my 2 cents worth. > Especially if he gains any allies such as Desmond Kelvin II. Still, he will have to deal with Baron Sherlane Halaran of Threshold, as he is the priest that Jowett would himself like to succeed him! - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:51:07 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Succession to the Karameikos Throne. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If I remember right, according to the Karameikos boxed set, Lady Adriana was > named by King Stefen to be the heir to the throne. Thanks. I haven't got KKoA, figuring it was just an expensive GAZ. I wonder why Lady Adriana was chosen though? IIRC in the Medievil times, it was always the eldest male that was chosen for such a position, thus ensuring the family name remains in power. I know that Adriana is the most popular of the three siblings, but what would happen when she got married? Would that signal the end of the Karameikos dynasty? > And don't forget that one Cleric of the > Church of Karameikos, (can't remember his name right now and I don't have my > rpg stuff with me) he believes that everyone should be good little > Karameikans (a.k.a. Thyatians) and is vying for the High Clerics possition. > With Stefen being ill and all the concern Jowett has for him, it seems like > a perfect opportunity for this character to try for not only the High Priest > position but also the throne itself Alfric Oderbery. I didn't think of him. I assumed that with Lord Oliver Jowett still in power, Alfric Oderbery would be too frightened to make any open move against the throne. However, he could easily use his influence to side with either Justin or Valen (probably Valen if Justin has the legal right to the throne (as he has in my campaign - at least for the moment anyway ;) ) siding with the underdog, so if Valen did gain power, he would back Oderbery's claim for the position as head of the Church when Jowett died). But on the subject of Churches, who would the Church of Traladara back?? They have got to be the most powerful of the Churches within Karameikos (but not the most influential, that honour goes to the Church of Karameikos), so their backing would be vital to a Traladaran noble, if the Traladarans thought of uprising against the Thyatians again. The Traladaran would have to be a popular hero/ine, but who amongst the current Traladaran houses would that be? Lady Marilenev, I would assume would be discounted, as her time in the lime-light is all but over (she could be very influential in the deciding of which Traladaran family headed the Traladaran Uprising though I suppose). :) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:57:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Succession to the Karameikos Throne. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > That should really be King Stefan according to canon, unless you're playing pre-WOTI (sorry if I'm splitting hairs...) Or should that be heirs??? ;) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:30:17 PDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: adrian mattias Subject: Re: Where do get beautiful maps? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >If anyone has suggestion about the tanagoro empire , mail me a note.. > no, but I am dying to put a Shogun era japanese inspired civilization on Zyxl which is that island at the end of Skothar between it and the Arm of the Immortals. Cheers Adrian PS: I am still trying to put together that list of cities - I will mail it to you as soon as possible. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:55:30 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) The Stalker wrote: >I should also congratulate Geoff Gander for being elected the new Moderator. W ill you be the List Troll or what? :) Thank you, Mr. Stalker; thank you all for your support in this recent election. I only hope I can fulfill the important tasks set before me. And no, I won't be an ogre. :-) I'll have to be something more....appropriate. Have to think about that. Geoff Not quite an ogre -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:24:51 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: List Troll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List Troll? Shouldn't it be more in keeping with his name? Couple of Gs. Great Ghost Ghastly Gorgon Group ???? or any suggestions? KS --- The Stalker wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:43:28 mortus wrote: > >> > >> BTW: Boy, I don't think I've ever seen the list as quiet as it is today - > >only four messages today related in any to Mystara at all - Gosh! The usual > >limit is at least sixteen... Is that migrating list ogre taking everyone > >with him? :) > >> > >maybe he's using a scorched earth policy and leaving nothing behind ;-) > > > >mortus. > > > >seriously though 'tis a pity he's goin' > > > > Yes :( > > Still, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the only ogre I ever liked, our very own List > Ogre, Leroy Van Camp III. Thank you for creating the MML and for all your hard work here. I hope > you'll stay here and not abandon us completely. > > I should also congratulate Geoff Gander for being elected the new Moderator. Will you be the > List Troll or what? :) > > > - The Stalker > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:20:51 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Elf clans and half-elves -- another theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are a few points that taken together have some rather interesting implications in terms of the elves and half-elves of Mystara: 1) In the 2E AD&D PHB, offspring of elf/human matings are invariably half-elves, and further matings between half-elves and elves will produce only more half-elves. The result is that in the absence of restrictions on such matings, elves in the long run are doomed. 2) However, in Gaz 5 the genetics of standard elves seem to work a bit differently -- the surviving male children of these matings are always male, and the female "human" children of such matings can produce true elves even by another human. 3) Furthermore, "standard" elves according to the D&D Rules Cyclopedia live in clans that have Trees of Life as their clan relic. Taken together, I would suggest that an as yet undocumented power of a Tree of Life is genetic protection -- the traits that make a humanoid an elf as opposed to a human are isolated to a few recessive genes, with the result that some of the descendants of mixed matings can turn out to be true elves with only a superficial "human taint". The only way to produce true half-elves would be through matings between humans and elves who are clanless or who come from clans that either lack a Tree of Life or have not properly invoked its genetic protection. Thus, the reason that half-elves would be fairly common on the Savage Coast is that the elves of that region are not organized into clans. Both Eusdria and Yavdlom would have a substantial half-elvish population. In the Known World, the Alfheim, Erewan, Callarii, Vyalia, Wendar, Norwold, and Shiye-Lawr elves would all be fully protected by their Trees of Life. Similarly, the Water Elves of Minrothad would be protected by their Pearl, and the Aquarendi by their Frond of Life. The most notable "unprotected" elves would be the Wood Elves of Minrothad (who would have a strong taboo against marrying anyone but another Wood Elf) and the Belcadiz elves of Glantri (who would have no such taboo at all and thus might actually have more half-elves than true elves among their numbers). In Karameikos half-elves were unknown in 1000 AC, but by 1012 AC there were a few who had come of age. In other nations with few if any native elves (such as Darokin and Ierendi), the "elves" found there would almost certainly be a small handful of half-elves. Interestingly enough, the above theory seems to mesh well with the birthplace charts in the Player's Survival Kit -- unless, of course, there is some important point that I have once again overlooked. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:13:04 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Elf clans and half-elves -- another theory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The idea where a woman produces a woman offspring is most likely from the legends themselves. In both D&D and AD&D, the dryad (a fey folk) abducts attractive men to produce offspring that are only other dryads. The Mystaran elves hold true to this concept as well (based on GAZ5 and D&D rules) The half-elves of the savage coast were created after that original material, and it seems they ignored the "human + elf woman = elf" formula. Thus bizarre explanations need to exist to make this addition work. IMC, I give the players a choice. They can be in a world with 1/2 Elves or not. If they choose the pure-elf route, I try to keep closer to the traditional fey lore. However, if they choose the 1/2 Elf route, I not only have 1/2 elves, but I also add 1/2 Dryads (and even 1/2 Satyrs) that I found from an earlier Dragon article. ciao, Joaquin --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:20:51 Wizards Shopper wrote: >There are a few points that taken together have some rather interesting >implications in terms of the elves and half-elves of Mystara: > >1) In the 2E AD&D PHB, offspring of elf/human matings are invariably >half-elves, and further matings between half-elves and elves will >produce only more half-elves. The result is that in the absence of >restrictions on such matings, elves in the long run are doomed. > >2) However, in Gaz 5 the genetics of standard elves seem to work a >bit differently -- the surviving male children of these matings are always >male, and the female "human" children of such matings can produce >true elves even by another human. > >3) Furthermore, "standard" elves according to the D&D Rules Cyclopedia >live in clans that have Trees of Life as their clan relic. > >Taken together, I would suggest that an as yet undocumented power of >a Tree of Life is genetic protection -- the traits that make a humanoid an >elf as opposed to a human are isolated to a few recessive genes, with >the result that some of the descendants of mixed matings can turn out >to be true elves with only a superficial "human taint". > >The only way to produce true half-elves would be through matings between >humans and elves who are clanless or who come from clans that either >lack a Tree of Life or have not properly invoked its genetic protection. > >Thus, the reason that half-elves would be fairly common on the Savage >Coast is that the elves of that region are not organized into clans. Both >Eusdria and Yavdlom would have a substantial half-elvish population. > >In the Known World, the Alfheim, Erewan, Callarii, Vyalia, Wendar, Norwold, >and Shiye-Lawr elves would all be fully protected by their Trees of Life. >Similarly, the Water Elves of Minrothad would be protected by their Pearl, >and the Aquarendi by their Frond of Life. The most notable "unprotected" >elves would be the Wood Elves of Minrothad (who would have a strong >taboo against marrying anyone but another Wood Elf) and the Belcadiz >elves of Glantri (who would have no such taboo at all and thus might >actually have more half-elves than true elves among their numbers). In >Karameikos half-elves were unknown in 1000 AC, but by 1012 AC there >were a few who had come of age. In other nations with few if any native >elves (such as Darokin and Ierendi), the "elves" found there would almost >certainly be a small handful of half-elves. > >Interestingly enough, the above theory seems to mesh well with the >birthplace charts in the Player's Survival Kit -- unless, of course, there >is some important point that I have once again overlooked. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:13:23 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: List Troll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/21/2000 9:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kar_ess@YAHOO.COM writes: << List Troll? Shouldn't it be more in keeping with his name? Couple of Gs. Great Ghost Ghastly Gorgon Group ???? or any suggestions? KS >> Governor General? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:18:44 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then with the limited number of clans, would there have been enough people to continue the dwarven race out of a limited gene pool. --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:26:19 Eyal Fleminger wrote: >Though dwarven clans are made up of many individual families, each clan >would have a common ancestor (or a group of several ancestors) who formed >the first family (at this point the clans may very well have been divided >according to philospohical or professional lines); their descendants formed >the various families in each clan, so that nowadays the clans are familial, >though they may not have started that way. > >>However, given the limited number of clans for the whole nation, I >doubt >>that people are truly related to each other. I would rather >imagine a >>"dwarven clan" as made of several families who follow the >same role and >>idealism. They are born into their role and expected to >support this >>idealism. If they do not, then they are no longer apart >of this order. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:20:59 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure exactly what people are talking about. Is your history the typical there were only white people whom defended their land against the savages? How is this related? --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:40:57 Paul George Dooley wrote: >I apologise that this came to the list and not to you personally, but as for >the rest; you read your version of history and I'll read mine. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jdaly" >To: >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:21 PM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Dwarven revolution (was Alphatian citizens) > > >> What a rude, off-list type of thing to say. You should be ashamed. I'm >> certainly not going to set you straight here. History books are easy >enough >> to read. >> >> But I would suggest you start with a book of manners. >. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:36:50 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: List Troll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Master's Pawn wrote: > > In a message dated 6/21/2000 9:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kar_ess@YAHOO.COM writes: > > << List Troll? > Shouldn't it be more in keeping with his name? > Couple of Gs. > Great Ghost > Ghastly Gorgon > Group ???? > or > > any suggestions? > KS >> > > Governor General? Nah, it doesn't have to match his name (List Ogre isn't even close to "Leroy Van Camp III") List Outer Being perhaps? List Carnifax maybe? ;-) Jenni -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ <------------------------------------------------------------------> God created Light. Then Earth, Vegetables, Animals, Man and Woman. Then God started to think: "I should create things I *like*!" And God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:40:55 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: List Troll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Was trying for a change of pace, to go with the change of leadership. My suggestion was NOT to follow in someone else's footsteps, but to make a new trail in the genre of bad puns. --- "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" wrote: > Master's Pawn wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/21/2000 9:25:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > kar_ess@YAHOO.COM writes: > > > > << List Troll? > > Shouldn't it be more in keeping with his name? > > Couple of Gs. > > Great Ghost > > Ghastly Gorgon > > Group ???? > > or > > > > any suggestions? > > KS >> > > > > Governor General? > > Nah, it doesn't have to match his name (List Ogre isn't even close to > "Leroy Van Camp III") > > List Outer Being perhaps? > > List Carnifax maybe? ;-) > > Jenni > > -- > Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs > strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ > <------------------------------------------------------------------> > God created Light. Then Earth, Vegetables, Animals, Man and Woman. > Then God started to think: "I should create things I *like*!" > And God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > Find Local Players: http://nafsasp.wizards.com/Registries/TSR/Welcome.asp > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! 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