========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:07:23 GMT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Luca Toni Subject: Re: Immortal Quicklist (WotI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed I'm sorry to contradict you, but the problem myght be the maximum number of columns in your sending program. Probably you're using a 80 or more column sending program. I too read the message with the table scrambled. Don't mind the problem of the number of columns, just post the Immortal list again just resizing it of about 15 columns (or create an HTML page and link to it). Bye, Luca In a message dated 8/31/00 4:46:28 PM Central Daylight Time, michael.harvey@INTEL.COM writes: << The list did not contain any tabs. Is it my mailer, or did it get converted wrong or something? >> It's probably a problem with the way that mail travels through various servers. Hopefully, it works for most people. I've sent the list to Michael in RTF. If anyone else wants it sent as an attachment in this form, email me privately, please. Catherine Keene Ardelphia@aol.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:26:16 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Pantheism and Clerics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > What roles would generalists vs. specialists have? Would wandering > clerics (esp. PC clerics) tend to be generalists, while those working > at temples be specialists? I agree with you: it depends on the specific religion. In some, generalists may make up the bulk of the clergy, while specialists may be part of religious orders within the church. In others, generalists may be the standard only in communities too little to hold large temple complexes, while large cities may have many different temples, staffed by specialists. > If not, does anyone get > upset about the patriarch of a particular church, region (or the > whole religion) having such-and-such as his/her patron Immortal and > not some other? IMO, the patriarch of the whole religion is normally a generalist, or a priest of the head of the pantheon, depending on the proportion of generalists and specialists in the clergy. Regional patriarchs may be specialists of other immortals, depending on the history and population of the individual region. Example: IMC, the Church of Traladara is mainly composed by generalists. In the City-States of the Gulf of Hule, however, specialist priests of Halav are far more common, while those of Zirchev are very rare. So, in the City-States the regional patriarchs are mostly priests of Halav, while Patriarch Nikelnevich of Specularum (the head of the whole religion) is a generalist. > Would generalists jockeying > for position in the theocratic heirarchy be frowned upon as wafflers > who can't decide which Immortal they really serve? If this was the case, there would be an internal war, resulting in a church with a different political balance. > Would specialists > in the same situation be seen as too narrowly focued to serve the > needs of followers, who tend to worship all three? This is possible, especially for the specialist priests of Zirchev. However, priests of Halav or Petra would not suffer from this problem, IMO. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:44:33 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: caroletti Organization: *.* Subject: Re: UNdead and aging MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Stalker ha scritto: > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:10:01 DM wrote: > >Hi fellows! > > > >Okay, here's an hypothetical situation I'd like u to comment on: > > > > By Mystara! Do you sit up at night dreaming up nightmare questions like this ???? ;) > > >Imagine a wizard gets the power to Shapechange into an undead Lich and > >stays that way for 100 years without letting the spell off (casting it > >three times a day at 36th level mantains you shapechanged for a whole day). > >Now, if he drops the spell after 100 years and retains his old mortal form > >again, would u rule he ages all the 100 years passed right away?? (remember > >that with Shapechange the wizard gets all of the creatures' abilities, > >powers and immunities, including in this case immunity to aging and aging > >effects) > >Also, what if the PC shapechanged into lich is hit by an aging attack? Will > >he be affected when he changes back to normal form? (I think not, this > >would be plain stupid for a 9th level spell..) > > > > Well, I guess that I would say that he is still human (or whatever his original race was). IIRC a creature never gets the advanced magical abilities of another creature, but even if Shapechange allows it, I would still rule that he's human - he can fool his body, but he can't fool reality! Reality still knows that he's human and acts accordingly. This is really a silly answer. Typical Alphatian. What does "he can fool his body but he can't fool reality" mean, by Solarios? And who cares anyway? Wizards, wizards, wizards....8-))))) > > One nasty effect could be that after 10 years of being a lich, the poor wizard realizes that he *IS* a lich! He cannot turn back to his 'real' form because his body has gotten so used to the new one that it has transmuted into the new form! Serves the arrogant dude right! ;) Have you tried, to be so sure about it? 8-) > > > >Thanks for the replies! ;) > > > > Sure. Anytime. Answering highly theoretical (and useless) questions on magic is what we scheming Alphatians do best, or at least most of the time, anyway :) > > - The Stalker Yeah, I would say that. 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis (oh it was so much I didn't have a good fight with an Alphatian...) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:59:35 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Organization: *.* Subject: Re: Viking Developments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Darth Darknerd ha scritto: > This is a letter for a basic invite of people interested in contributing or reviewing the material, possibly play testing as well. Also, as material is completed, I will naturally post it here to see what people think. > > Currently there are two people, with another possible person (historian at Stanford). > > thanks, > Joaquin Menchaca I could give a help with religion and pantheon. Drop a line? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:04:22 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Organization: *.* Subject: Re: MISC: New to the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > dnd.starflung.com is the best place to have a look. > 3 net almanacs have been created. Several Hollow World net gazetteers, > alternate timelines, Skothar, Davania and the Brun Midlands have been > described as has the Hyborean Reaches. There is tons of material out there > on the web. And the Nightmare Project with Outer Beings. And Glantri Personal Division. And Byzantine Thyatis. And tons of tons of tons of tons... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:54:59 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Rickards Subject: Re: 3E Wizards xp (was: Scribe Scroll) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I agree. There is also another problem with the new approach. In older >versions of the game we were told that adventuring wizards were rare >because most spend their lives on research and the PCs play those who could >not afford that (that's pretty much what the 2e rules tell me, anyway), so >naturally this begs the question of how all those other wizards can do >their research when they aren't adventurers? (I certainly don't think all >the vast numbers of archmages in Alphatia are all former or current >adventurers, for example!) A general Idea that I used to use (of course it will have to be updated for the 3e rules) was that a fraction (about 1/4) of normal people in their normal lives got XP, at a rate of roughly 1 a day, or possibly 2 a day for a particularly hazardous period of their life. These people would be the leaders, talented officers and NCO's, Priests destined for high position, gifted tradesmen, politicians (rakes all, except the theives), and organized crime leiutenants. A sort of sub-hero/villian level of advancement. This XP is much lower than adventurers because the challenges faced by normal people are not as grueling. Adventures are also "the cream of the crop" and translate experience into ability much faster. This rate of advancement varied based on the aggressiveness and adventurousness of the individual and society one was in, but those numbers (above and below) are my number for average humans in an average land (I use Karameikos as my baseline for most of this stuff). The rate of occurance within a population also varied based on racial traits (i.e. humans have a higher rate of advancers and advance quicker than many others, because of their natural adventurousness, and ability to learn; while patient elves advance at 1-2xp a week and even the most talented non-hero Gentle Folk advance at maybe 1xp a quarter [year]). This meant that an average human could have roughly the following XP age 20 0xp starting point for a normal person L2 Theif somewhere around age 23-24 L2 Cleric somewhere around 24-25 25 1680xp Slightly experienced, a young tradesman L2 Fighter somewhere around 25-26 L2 Magic User somewhere around 27-28 L3 Theif somewhere around 27-28 L3 Cleric somewhere around 29-30 30 3360xp Competent professional L3 Fighter somewhere around 32-33 L3 Magic User somewhere around 35 L4 Theif somewhere around 35 35 5040xp Experienced Professional L4 Cleric around 38-39 40 6720xp Experienced Professional L4 Fighter 43-44 45 8400xp Top of the profession L4 Magic User 49-50 50 10080xp Decline of abilities sets in By this chart, an Alphatian wizard would have a fair amount of XP to create minor items if they are not an adventurer, but the good stuff can only come with experience. BTW: this chart also means there are a couple of L3-4 Fighters in most city guards, and most political bodies of normal people (town burghers and maybe even parts of the Thyatian Senate) are composed of L4 Rakes. Of course not every one becomes a PC class, ie a 45yo Blacksmith may have 4HD but probably not the attack abilities of a fighter. This also keeps a 5-8 level party on their toes, as an angry mob can do a little damage if the characters try to burn down the city. Dylan R _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:00:44 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Ostland Dominions? Are the Ostland Dominions fully detailled now, or does Jacob still have one or two left? It was a cool series, and I was all eager to see more. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:24:33 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: Viking Developments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am a proficient proofreader and all-around nitpicker! KS --- Caroletti wrote: > Darth Darknerd ha scritto: > > > This is a letter for a basic invite of people interested in contributing or reviewing the > material, possibly play testing as well. Also, as material is completed, I will naturally post > it here to see what people think. > > > > Currently there are two people, with another possible person (historian at Stanford). > > > > thanks, > > Joaquin Menchaca > > I could give a help with religion and pantheon. Drop a line? > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Captain of the XXth Cohort > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:52:07 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dennis Pascale Subject: Just Introducing Myself MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone: Dennis here. I just joined the list today. I'm a DM with a small gaming group. Currently I run a Ravenloft campaign using the AD&D 2 Ed. Rules. Another friend in our group runs us thru his Forgotten Realms campaign, also in 2 Ed. A few years ago, I had tried to start up a Mystara campaign, when it tried to cross over into 2 Ed. But, as you all know, when the line failed, I was left holding the bag. Well thanks to Ebay.com (which I highly recommend to all gamers) I was able to obtain ALL the gazetteers and a few of the older modules (Castle Amber, Vengance of Alphaks, Tree of Life....and so on just to name a few). Plus, with the coming of 3rd Edition, I guess I got nostalgic. Bottom line....I wanted to go back to when I first played D&D and the fun I had, so I have decided I'm going to run a "new" (so to speak) Mystara campaign. I've pulled out the old D&D Rules Cyclopedia and I'm planning on going back to OD&D rules. I'm going to set my campaign in 1000 AC and with the help of the WotI boxed set, I'll play thru events during the great war as well. Will Mystara develope the same way "official" products have gone? That remains to be seen. I'm just excited about the possibilities I'm opening up. Should be fun and that's why I'll be checking in on the list from time to time, for some great ideas and support. I'm no Mystara expert, but I am a fan. More than likely, I'll leave it up to my friend to convert to 3rd Ed. but as for me, I'll stick with the basics. :) Sorry if this post was so long winded. I look forward to sharing ideas and just getting to know other fans of Mystara. Take care. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:33:58 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: Just Introducing Myself In-Reply-To: <13.a419597.26e10e87@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Dennis here. I just joined the list today. Welcome to the list! Always nice to see a new face around! > campaign, also in 2 Ed. A few years ago, I had tried to start up a Mystara > campaign, when it tried to cross over into 2 Ed. But, as you all know, when > the line failed, I was left holding the bag. Many from this list are working on converting material to 3E - while I am an OD&D fan, I believe the setting will be far more integrated into 3E than it was in 2E. > Well thanks to Ebay.com (which I highly recommend to all gamers) I was > able to obtain ALL the gazetteers Wow - I still have a couple to go, after years of buying them. > opening up. Should be fun and that's why I'll be checking in on the list > from time to time, for some great ideas and support. Many past ideas are available on Shawn's site, a must-look for new members - http://dnd.starflung.com Again, welcome to the list and I hope you enjoy your stay. Or to quote an ancient Commodore 64 game, "Stay a while. Stay forever!" - Mischa I am opposed to both the violence of those who maintain an unjust system and the violence of those who seek to overthrow it - Archbishop Desmond Tutu ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:14:38 CDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Web Warlock Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well, What do you want to see from my "Glantri"? I don't think I should post all that I have. Too much noise for so little content (for the list anyway). Like I said before, most of the good stuff ended up in my Witches netbook. I set my present day in Glantri 315 years after the civil war. The Priest-Kings had ruled in an uneasy peace for years. The Mage guild was still very powerful, but not like in Glantri's past (your present). Let me know. Warlock -- WebWarlock webwarlock@iname.com The Other Side, http://www.rpghost.com/WebWarlock Home of the Complete Netbook of Witches and Warlocks _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:10:01 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Just Introducing Myself In-Reply-To: <13.a419597.26e10e87@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:52 9/1/00 EDT, Dennis Pascale wrote: > Well thanks to Ebay.com (which I highly recommend to all gamers) I was >able to obtain ALL the gazetteers and a few of the older modules (Castle >Amber, Vengance of Alphaks, Tree of Life....and so on just to name a few). >Plus, with the coming of 3rd Edition, I guess I got nostalgic. "ALL the gazetteers?" (Seethes with jealousy.) BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:54:09 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Viking Developments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. I will be discussing future developments through jmenchaca@informatica.com. regards, Joaquin --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:59:35 Caroletti wrote: >Darth Darknerd ha scritto: > >> This is a letter for a basic invite of people interested in contributing or reviewing the material, possibly play testing as well. Also, as material is completed, I will naturally post it here to see what people think. >> >> Currently there are two people, with another possible person (historian at Stanford). >> >> thanks, >> Joaquin Menchaca > >I could give a help with religion and pantheon. Drop a line? > >Iulius Sergius Scaevola >Captain of the XXth Cohort >Port Lucinius, Thyatis > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:57:36 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Adapting Al-Qadim for Ylaruam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. I use Al-Qadim for Ylari adventures. However, my adeventurers have migrated up north, so I'll be doing Norse culture. However, someone might want to do some work on making a D&D3E Sha'ir class for Ylaruam. This would be most cool. regards, Joaquin --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:31:50 Beau Yarbrough wrote: >At 21:52 8/28/00 -0700, David S. Leland wrote: >>At 11:42 AM 8/28/00, Beau wrote: >> >>(The REAL bargain on eBay, IMO, are shrinkwrapped Al-Qadim materials, >>almost all of which were superb and are eminently adaptable to >>Mystara, incidentally.) >> >> Could you go into this in a bit more detail? I'd like to know what >>sorts of Al-Qadim materials there are and how, roughly, you'd adapt >>them for Mystara. I suspect others might be curious as well. > > You name it. I've seen the WONDERFUL Arabian Adventures book there >(really, everyone who might run a game in Ylaruam or even just use a Ylari >NPC needs this book), the "Land of Fate" boxed set, all the boxed >supplements and modules, the reportedly lame "Reunion" module and even the >computer game. > Just did a search and 33 Al-Qadim products came up, including the Complete >Sha'ir's Handbook. All of the supplements seem to be represented, with >several of them sealed. > As for conversion, drop them into Ylaruam -- "Arabian Adventures," the MC >supplement, "Secrets of the Lamp," "Caravans," "Bone Cities" and "A Dozen >and One Adventures" will drop in almost seamlessly, once you change the >name of the cities and the language -- or, in the case of the Corsair >Kingdoms or the Crowded Sea, just insert those islands off the Ylari coast. >"Land of Fate" is useful to raid for supplementary materials, like >monsters, magic items and so on. If nothing else, the genies ("Secrets of >the Lamp" goes into copious detail here) and spells the Al-Qadim line >features fit in WONDERFULLY in any Arabian Nights adventure set-up. ("The >Complete Necromancer's Handbook," which features an Al-Qadim setting, is >also available regularly, but is VERY expensive. Good stuff, IMO, but a bit >dry. And, no, I didn't get mine off eBay.) > The AD&D cosmology doesn't cause a problem, since Al-Qadim is interested >in the four main elemental planes, which are the same in D&D. > There's even the same prohibition against fire and necromantic magics in >Al-Qadim as there is in Ylaruam. > Not much work involved. Of course, that's speaking of AD&D, not D&D or 3E, >both of which will take more work to adapt vis-a-vis the core books. > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:23:46 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Magic and Tech: Check out Arcanum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometimes I ponder on the Blackmoor era and the combination of technology and magic. This is very exciting. I never saw a campaign that really pulled it off successfully, until now. Those interested in Blackmoor fishing for some ideas (or those that like a killer fantasy computer game), I ask that you investigate this link: http://sierrastudios.com/games/arcanum/ regards, Joaquin PS - No, I am not working for them, but I just see killer stuff out there, I thought I would share it to other Fantasy enthusiasts (especially my fellow enlightened Mystarans) HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:08:14 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Ostland Dominions? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geoff Gander wrote: > Are the Ostland Dominions fully detailled now, or does Jacob still = have > one or two left? It was a cool series, and I was all eager to see = more. Oh, man, now you're making me feel real bad that I haven't gotten much = work done on them for the past few months. The thing is, I'm still = missing 12 (that's twelve) of them, so I'm actually only halfway = through. I didn't get much feedback at the time, so when other things in = my life started to move, I kind of let it slip. Now I've joined up with = Joaquin (aka Darth Darknerd) in detailing the Norse pantheon, and some = other viking projects, so I may very well get back to those Ostland = domains, and finish detailing them. I've got some half-finished notes = lying about on the army of Ostland, the Modrigswerg dwarves, and an = enhanced timeline. It'll amount to something some day, I'm sure. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:51:11 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: [ADMIN] Tome of Mystara submission extensions ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'") Subject: Tome of Mystara submission extensions Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:26:44 -0400 This is just a reminder from Jennifer Guerra, that the deadline for submissions to the 5th issue of Tome of Mystara is today. Those of you who are currently working on submissions, but who require extensions, should email her at: valerya@webtv.net to discuss your needs. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:55:28 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Gault Subject: Re: 3E Wizards xp (was: Scribe Scroll) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:54:59 EDT Send reply to: Mystara From: Dylan Rickards Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] 3E Wizards xp (was: Scribe Scroll) To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Dylan R (I'll have to remember to call myself Dylan G. Believe me, before 1989 this was never a problem) wrote: > BTW: this chart also means there are a couple of L3-4 Fighters in most city > guards, and most political bodies of normal people (town burghers and maybe > even parts of the Thyatian Senate) are composed of L4 Rakes. > > Of course not every one becomes a PC class, ie a 45yo Blacksmith may have > 4HD but probably not the attack abilities of a fighter. > The L3-4 guards will probably be Warriors, a watered down NPC Fighter. A blacksmith is a Commoner or an Expert, I think. When the DMG comes out, it should cover these specifics. In regards to Wizards and not adventuring, it should be noted that the non-adventuring wizards can still have dangerous lives. Spell research, summoning and the occasional extra-planar jaunt are standard parts of the NPC magicians life, as far as I can see from the various suppliments and adventure hooks that I've seen. Don't forget, evil wizards have to keep fighting off those pesky adventurers every few months. Dylan G ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:41:10 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Conquest Convention Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, I will be at the Conquest Convention in Millbrae, California at Clarion Hotel. I don't know if any fellow Mystaran enthusiasts will be there, but it would be nice to meet others. ciao Joaquin HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:16:12 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Gardea Subject: Re: Conquest Convention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there.. running a star wars miniature battle...... On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:41:10 -0700 Darth Darknerd writes: >FYI, > >I will be at the Conquest Convention in Millbrae, California at >Clarion Hotel. I don't know if any fellow Mystaran enthusiasts will >be there, but it would be nice to meet others. > >ciao > Joaquin > > > >HotBot - Search smarter. >http://www.hotbot.com > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:54:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: UNdead and aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:44:33 caroletti wrote: >The Stalker ha scritto: (big snip) >> >> Well, I guess that I would say that he is still human (or whatever his original race was). IIRC a creature never gets the advanced magical abilities of another creature, but even if Shapechange allows it, I would still rule that he's human - he can fool his body, but he can't fool reality! Reality still knows that he's human and acts accordingly. > >This is really a silly answer. Typical Alphatian. What does "he can fool his body but he can't fool >reality" mean, by Solarios? And who cares anyway? Wizards, wizards, wizards....8-))))) > Wait a minute... You're a Thyatian *and* a soldier, right? Well, I'm not surprised you didn't get that. We were talking about MAGIC... :) >> >> One nasty effect could be that after 10 years of being a lich, the poor wizard realizes that he *IS* a lich! He cannot turn back to his 'real' form because his body has gotten so used to the new one that it has transmuted into the new form! Serves the arrogant dude right! ;) > >Have you tried, to be so sure about it? 8-) > No, but then I'm not really arrogant and selfcentered. I really *AM* superior to everyone else ;) >> >> >> >Thanks for the replies! ;) >> > >> >> Sure. Anytime. Answering highly theoretical (and useless) questions on magic is what we scheming Alphatians do best, or at least most of the time, anyway :) >> >> - The Stalker > >Yeah, I would say that. 8-) > You were *not* supposed to agree! :) >Iulius Sergius Scaevola >Captain of the XXth Cohort >Port Lucinius, Thyatis > >(oh it was so much I didn't have a good fight with an Alphatian...) > Somehow I suspected. I wonder why... ;) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:07:21 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Just Introducing Myself Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:33:58 Mischa E Gelman wrote: >> Dennis here. I just joined the list today. > >Welcome to the list! Always nice to see a new face around! > I agree. Welcome Dennis. Be warned though - this is a realm of danger and intrigue... :) >> campaign, also in 2 Ed. A few years ago, I had tried to start up a Mystara >> campaign, when it tried to cross over into 2 Ed. But, as you all know, when >> the line failed, I was left holding the bag. I still run a campaign under 2e rules. In fact, our group switched to 2e rules from OD&D in '90, but we stayed in Mystara - never had many problems with that. My current campaign also uses the Player Option rules (with my extensive house rules), and it works quite well - I have no plans to switch to 3e. > >Many from this list are working on converting material to 3E - while I am >an OD&D fan, I believe the setting will be far more integrated into 3E >than it was in 2E. > I think so too for the simple reason that I trust the people who are doing the conversion now to be more true to Mystara than the people who did it for TSR under 2e - the people doing it know care about Mystara's feel, and they have at least read the gazetteers... >> Well thanks to Ebay.com (which I highly recommend to all gamers) I was >> able to obtain ALL the gazetteers > >Wow - I still have a couple to go, after years of buying them. > Well, in January I had none of the Gazetteers and now I only miss five, of which two seem to be available. It can be done. >> opening up. Should be fun and that's why I'll be checking in on the list >> from time to time, for some great ideas and support. > >Many past ideas are available on Shawn's site, a must-look for new members >- http://dnd.starflung.com > Don't forget Thyb's site for maps: Or the Tome of Mystara: >Again, welcome to the list and I hope you enjoy your stay. Or to quote an >ancient Commodore 64 game, "Stay a while. Stay forever!" > Ah yes. 'Impossible Mission'. A game that was years ahead of its time when it was programmed. A true classic. Thanks for the fond memories... :) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:55:50 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "David S. Leland" Subject: Magic items and Spells in 3e: XP/gp costs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm with all ye grumblers. I was not happy to hear of XP costs for items (or spells) in 3e either. The arguments for it sounded ok, but my main problem is personal to the way I DM, rather than with the logic of core rules. Basically, long ago I decided that it simply wasn't worth it to me to track XP, period. I HATED totalling up XP for monsters and treasure and blah blah blah. I realized I could just level up the PCs when I estimated that they had earned it. I'm not sure I would do this if I were a newbie DM, but after using the XP system enough to get a sense for how the progression goes with it, I decided I could simulate it effectively enough by intuition. Plus, that lets me coordinate leveling-up with special breakpoints in the campaign, events of great personal achievement and importance to PCs, etc. My players have never complained and never seemed to give a damn about tracking those arbitrary numbers. Well, if you don't use XPs, it's hard to use XP costs for spells and items, eh? So forget it, I say. Instead, I think the GP costs should be higher. People have said on message boards that the problem is that PCs can get lots of gold so it's not really a limiting factor, while XP costs will really make them think twice. I disagree with that for two reasons. First, I think that PCs having too much gold to make it a factor shows that a DM is not regulating cash flow well enough, and that's his/her problem. Secondly, 3e supposedly will have very clear and useful guidelines for how much treasure should be doled out and owned at various PC levels. So what's the problem, I ask? You want a ballista? No XP, but it costs a LOT of gold. Want a wand of fireballs? Similarly, no XP, but it costs a LOT of gold. Spellcasters still won't be eager and willing to churn out items for everyone who pays because at least in the good ol' OD&D system, it takes lots of TIME, and there's a good chance of failrure (which translates into even more time and money). That's time that could be spent adventuring for treasure, XP, and fame, or researching new spells. High-powered rulers won't go bonkers with the royal wizard's creation capabilities if one DMs it right... "Sire, I'd be more than happy to spend the next year working on your dancing, flaming, sword +5, +10 vs. orcs, but might I suggest that you instead spend that time and money training and fully equipping 1000 new troops? There's some research I'd really like to continue with in the next year, although I'd be more than happy to craft you a medallion of protection from ESP and crystal balls, which I can accomplish with a few weeks and without putting a large dent in the royal treasury. It might come in quite handy against that wily sorceror-prince across the mountains..." I think researching new spells and creating items should be XP free, or even carry a small reward, as in OD&D. I'm not concerned about which since I'm not tracking points. Whether you do or don't, I think that using 3e to represent wizards on Mystara who just work on their craft (with what funding, I can't say) and don't adventure might be best handled by an NPC class, like the Adept or whatever it's called. This class might have virtually no improvement to base attack and little to saving throws (only Will saves, probably), but might be good with spell research and item creation, and perhaps get XP for those activities even if adventuring casters (like the PHB cleric and wizard) don't. It would make sense then that so long as they are funded, these NPCs can be masters of dweomercraft beyond PCs of the same level, but get them in a fight and they drop like flies. And hey, I don't think a cleric should lose experience for Communing with his/her Immortal. Bah! What a silly notion! Now a great sacrifice of jewels, gold, and perhaps bodies of slain enemies of the ethos--now THAT's the kind of cost I see an Immortal imposing! Have fun, Magus Coeruleus ./ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ \. < David S Leland ~|~ dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu > | PhD Candidate ~|~ 858-534-9754(lab)/-1128(fax) | < UCSD Cog Sci ~|~ cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland > .\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ /. "The difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door." -Ralph Nader --->>> votenader.org <<<--- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:21:31 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: 3E Wizards xp (was: Scribe Scroll) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-08-31 8:45:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alphatian@ANGELFIRE.COM writes: > I agree. There is also another problem with the new approach. In older > versions of the game we were told that adventuring wizards were rare because > most spend their lives on research and the PCs play those who could not > afford that (that's pretty much what the 2e rules tell me, anyway), so > naturally this begs the question of how all those other wizards can do their > research when they aren't adventurers? (I certainly don't think all the vast > numbers of archmages in Alphatia are all former or current adventurers, for > example!) Presumably the items demanded of adventurers by NPC wizards are items that the NPC wizards can use to gain at least as many XPs as are lost in any researches they do for the party. With enough PC adventurers giving them the items they desire, they can maintain their current levels or even advance to higher levels without adventuring themselves. Of course, if the DMG does not detail such information we may need to come up with our own system for such purposes. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:21:33 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-08-31 5:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dylan.gault@SYMPATICO.CA writes: > Going from the information I can glean off of the net (no WotI) > Valerias would be Chaotic Good. Thus probably she should provide > access to Chaos and Good. She does seem a little violent, but > should she really have War? I'd give her one or two of the following, > in addition to the alignment domains: Protection (to protect one's > love), Healing (to heal love), Earth (because she's in the sphere of > matter). Valerias is a tricky Immortal to work out. In terms of alignment I would agree that she should be CG, as that is the best alignment to use for a non-Entropic Immortal with preferred alignments of Neutral or Chaotic. As for domains or special abilities, the only guidance we have is the bonus spells of Locate, Remove Fear, and Ventriloquism. At this point my first inclination would be to create a new domain unique to Valerias and require her Clerics to take that domain and one other -- but of course to do that somebody would have to work out the details of her unique "Love" domain. Unless my analysis this weekend gives me any obvious ideas, I am open to suggestions as to how to deal with Valerias. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:21:34 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Just Introducing Myself MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-01 7:19:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alphatian@ANGELFIRE.COM writes: > I agree. Welcome Dennis. Be warned though - this is a realm of danger and > intrigue... :) Which means that you have chances for death or Immortality. Since the dead can be "rerolled" -- go for it! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:50:37 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Web Warlock wrote: > What do you want to see from my "Glantri"? I don't think I should = post all > that I have. Too much noise for so little content (for the list = anyway). > Like I said before, most of the good stuff ended up in my Witches = netbook. >=20 > I set my present day in Glantri 315 years after the civil war. The > Priest-Kings had ruled in an uneasy peace for years. The Mage guild = was > still very powerful, but not like in Glantri's past (your present). Then perhaps some info on your present day Glantri? It could be neat = with a time-travel adventure to a 'Glantri that might be'. Sure, I could = work that out myself, but why bother if I can rip somebody else's work = off? :) Info such as current government, social classes, wizard's new role in = society, that kind of thing, could be nice. And if you've got sketchy = details on other nations in your line of time that could be cool too. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:44:32 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: UNdead and aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jacob Skytte wrote: <> I am indeed talking about OD&D 9th level Wizard's spell. Now, for the sake of simplicity, I'll copy the description of the spell here (since I assume you all own the rules we're discussing, I hope this won't be considered copyright infringement... in any case, all the following quote is property of TSR Inc, a subsidiary of WotC.. etc etc.. ;p): "Shapechange Range: 0 (caster only) Duration: 1 turn (10 minutes) per level of the caster Description: This spell is similar to the 4th level spell Polymorph self, but is _far more powerful_. The caster actually becomes another creature or object in all respects except the mind, hit points, and saving throws. The caster takes the new armor class, attack rolls, special attack forms, immunities, and all other details from the form he has chosen. A magic-user cannot cast spells in any form except that of a bipedal humanoid (demi-human, goblinoid, giant, etc.). The caster cannot take a completely unique form (such as that of a specific character, Elemental Ruler or Immortal). He can gain the likeness but not the abilities of another character class. When wearing another form, he can only cast spells from his own memory; he can't cast from scrolls or his spellbook. He can assume huge inanimate forms; if he tries to, the form will be a maximum of one foot tall per XP level of the caster and 100 cn weight per level. Except for these limits, the caster can become any creature or object that he or she has ever seen. He cannot change into imaginary or unfamiliar creatures; unless a there are ten-armed trolls in your campaign, for example, he cannot turn into one. The caster may shapechange at will during the spell's duration; each change requires a full round of concentration. Note that the caster does assume the flaws of the new form as well as its strenghts. If, for example, the caster is struck by a sword +2, +5 vs dragons while in dragon form, the +5 bonus applies against his new form. This spell effect cannot be made permanent and is subject to dispel magic. During the spell duration, the caster cannot pass through anyy protection from evil or anti-magic shell spell effect." pheew, ok that's it! <> Mmhh,.. I didn't remember this one, so yes, theorically we could say he needs reverting back to normal form to study. But that means he only has to study and stay human for 1 hour a day.. so he would IMHO age for only one hour a day each day. << That said, I would rule, contrary to others, = that his old form does not age. The character has 'become another = creature in all respects except the mind, hit points, and saving = throws'. There is no part of his body left (except his mind, perhaps he = could still go senile :) ), and I don't think that time just waits to = take it's toll on him, when his original body reappears.>> That is my idea as well, following the spell description. << The question then remains, if he takes over the lifespan of the chosen = shape, what age does he assume? Usually it should be up to him, but how = about when he really can't tell how old a creature is by looking at it. >> Well, he CHOOSES to be of said age for that race, even if he has never seen a creature of that age (he only needs have seen a creature belonging to a specific race). Also I rule he doesn't know all his powers, unless he has studied the sample before shapechanging into it. << Btw what happens to his equipment when he uses Shapechange? Is this one = of those spells best cast in the nude? I would suggest so...>> Nope, since it is like Polymorph, I assume it is absorbed within the new shell, and so it is unusable. DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:44:13 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: UNdead and aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andr=3DE9s_Piquer_Otero?=3D wrote: << Maybe the Dungeon Master could be generous about the shapechanging into a lich, but then he should enforce not only aging, but also ALL other bodily properties of the cute undead: that is, the character could not take his normal rations of food and drink... he would still need nourishing, but it would be the exotic nourishing a lich needs for keeping its essence, like buying larvae for the night hags, so just a year of unlife would be a lot of trouble...>> Straight from the Van Richten's Guide to the Lich: a lich doesn't need ANYTHING else but his phylactery to survive. He can pretend to eat and drink, but since his body is dead, these functions are useless. And since, as the spell description says: "The caster actually becomes another creature or object in all respects except the mind, hit points, and saving throws", then the body would not need any sustenance at all (unlike a vampire or ghoul or ghost, for example..) And oh, I wouldn't call not having to breathe, eat or drink a nuisance... else why are there so many spells that mimick just this?? ;) << Also, IIRC, most of the lich's powers, like immunities and immortality, come from the magic philactery, which is individual and untransferable for each lich. Can a shapechange convey it??? It sounds as impossible as getting a gold dragon's spellbook just by shapechanging into dragon form... So, a character shapechanging into a lich would do into a philactery-less lich, and so would be direly limited and in fact would have a shorter lifespan than a mayfly, a lich without a philactery is just a fast-rotting corpse with some magic power (well, that's being generous, some DM may rule that a philactery-less lich is immediately destroyed). Assuming lich shape for a short period may be ok, but, if your player insists on taking a big umbalancing advantage, follow the liche's physyology to the letter...>> AH! VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT HERE, Andr=E9s! My compliments! I had completel= y overlooked this one! Yes yes and again YES! It would either be a lich without a phylactery, and so no more immune to all the things lich are and without all of the neatly lich powers listed in VRGttL, OR this would mean the wizard CANNOT become a lich, since the magic doesn't duplicate or create the phylactery as well! AHA! That's a good way to avoid wizards turning into liches so simply, definitely!! :) Oh, another quick question: how do u consider a mek? Is it a bipedal humanoid creature? (you obviously know where I'm getting with this..) :) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:43:24 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: UNdead and aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Stalker wrote: >Well... what would u say if I told u this actually happened IMC?? ;p > <> Well, actually IMC the character was struck by an aging effect that affected him anyway because made by the Wheel of Fate, but that's because one of the Wheel's Rules say: "You cannot trick the Wheel." So the whole 'normal aging' question was hypothetical.. (but knowing my players, it could have been raised.. if the PC had not become a true vampire.. :)). <> Does repeating an action every day make it more likely to be mistaken? If I get up every morning for years, does this mean I'm gonna screw it somehow at some point? Well, maybe if u called up the chance calculus I'd agree, but we're talking about D&D.. Don't tell me u give your players chances to screw the memorizing of spells with cumulative points for each year they keep studying! ;p << I'm not sure if we're playing the same game, but I'm using 2e rules, and as a DM I recently used a lich against the PCs and discovered that they don't really have that many special powers. They can escape death using the phylactery and are immune to non-magical weapons, yes, but those are not highly special abilities IMHO. >> HECK! A lich is IMMORTAL because of his phylactery! U just cannot destroy him till u destroy the phylactery. Sure, u'll beat him but he'll always get back tougher, meaner and deadlier than ever if u don't locate his phylactery and destroy it. And u don't have so many lifetimes to do it! :) Anyway I am playing also considering some nasty lich powers described in Van Richten's Guide to the Lich, which is an ENLIGHTENING BOOK that has greatly enriched my view of the lich. Before it was simply an undead mage (yeah, so what's so special about it?), now it has got SO MANY nasty powers that is unstoppable (Death Gaze first and foremost: a free gaze attack each round, save or die!). << A demi-lich on the other hand - AWESOME >> Yeah, well, I consider a demilich a lesser immortal actually... and sometimes it's even tougher than a low level Immortal (pit a demilich vs Rheddrian and I tell u poor Benekander will flee to his Beagle crying!). On this note, I've noticed that low level fiends are just CRAPPY against high level mortals. Ever tried using Screaming or Croaking demons? They only get beaten up by 20th+ level characters, and their magical powers are negligible.. the AD&D versions are much tougher (True Tanar'ri like Vrocks IIRC..) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 04:11:52 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: UNdead and aging In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000902004324.0084b210@racine.ra.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:43 AM 9/2/00 +0200, you wrote: > >On this note, I've noticed that low level fiends are just CRAPPY against >high level mortals. Ever tried using Screaming or Croaking demons? They >only get beaten up by 20th+ level characters, and their magical powers are >negligible.. the AD&D versions are much tougher (True Tanar'ri like Vrocks >IIRC..) I take it you're referring to the fiends from WotI Codex, and not the Demons presented (originally for OD&D) in the Gold Box set? Now those things are *tough*! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:24:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: UNdead and aging MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > HECK! A lich is IMMORTAL because of his phylactery! U just cannot destroy > him till u destroy the phylactery. Sure, u'll beat him but he'll always get > back tougher, meaner and deadlier than ever if u don't locate his > phylactery and destroy it. And u don't have so many lifetimes to do it! :) > > Anyway I am playing also considering some nasty lich powers described in > Van Richten's Guide to the Lich, which is an ENLIGHTENING BOOK that has > greatly enriched my view of the lich. Before it was simply an undead mage > (yeah, so what's so special about it?), now it has got SO MANY nasty powers > that is unstoppable (Death Gaze first and foremost: a free gaze attack each > round, save or die!). > Ah finally an explination for where all the other lich abilities appear from. Since you asked a question about the OD&D spell I was replying with information based on it too, not abilities based on an entirely different cosmological setup, and basic structure of reality. A Lich doesn't need a phylactery in OD&D. As the saying goes however, "In your game, we play your rules!" ;^) > Yeah, well, I consider a demilich a lesser immortal actually... and > sometimes it's even tougher than a low level Immortal (pit a demilich vs > Rheddrian and I tell u poor Benekander will flee to his Beagle crying!). > On this note, I've noticed that low level fiends are just CRAPPY against > high level mortals. Ever tried using Screaming or Croaking demons? They > only get beaten up by 20th+ level characters, and their magical powers are > negligible.. the AD&D versions are much tougher (True Tanar'ri like Vrocks > IIRC..) > You mean you don't allow them to take the spellcasting suites with their PP so they can mimic their Goldbox spellcasting capabilities (WotI bk1 p109. 1st column, 1st paragraph in description). Shame on you! Any creature that can heal at will, cast meteor swarm at will, and, because they aren't immortal it costs no PP, cast wish at will is going to chew up any mortal party even if caught unawares. Given time to precast a few spells and the party dies before it even gets a shot off. Apart from the whispering fiend they are all terribly intelligent, and most are wise too. You have to play them down to give a party a chance. The point to wonder over is, can those lesser fiends who have more than 100 PP use the rest for immortal level spells such as "Reduce Saving Throw"? Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:11:48 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: arminath_wynter Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: David Knott To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] 3E cleric domains and immortals >In a message dated 2000-08-31 5:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dylan.gault@SYMPATICO.CA writes: > >> Going from the information I can glean off of the net (no WotI) >> Valerias would be Chaotic Good. Thus probably she should provide >> access to Chaos and Good. She does seem a little violent, but >> should she really have War? I'd make her Domains Luck, Chaos and War. She is a fickle Immortal, constantly moving from one new mortal drama to the next and bringing ill-fated lovers the tools to go down fighting. For creating a new Domain of Love, I dunno, she doesn't seem to be primarily concerned with emotion as much as she seems consumed by the fiery passion of the moment. I'd wait until the 3E DMG is out, it may have guidelines for creating new Domains, either that or just wait a few months for the 3E Forgotten Realms stuff, they're bound to have a Love domain for Sune Firehair. I know, I know, it's the Realms, but at least it'll give everyone a baseline to draw from, since those heartless people at Wizards are more concerned with their cashcow and not ressurrecting a world that would conflict with their overdeveloped flagship. Jim _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:06:19 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Shaun Muncy Subject: Advice on War (was: Teleportation and Espionage) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/00 9:44:27 PM Central Daylight Time, knight@UCC.GU.UWA.EDU.AU writes: > That said, I'm having a bit of trouble coming up with adventure ideas. > Large parts of the campaign will be mass battles, which are a bit boring > or those not directly involved. Aside from missons to destroy walls and > leaders, I don't have any ideas (DM burnout to some extent). > Any suggestions? I know it's kinda late, but... Remember that war is more than heroes and battles. Military success depends on: 1) Supply Lines: Battles tend to ruin fields, and the enemy can always send troops to destroy crops. They could be using Scorched Earth tactics, forcing your army to bring its own supplies. Remember that an army requires MASSIVE amounts of support in replacement weaponry and food. An attack on a supply line can cripple an army. Additionally, every bit of supplies you have brought requires additional supplies to transport (The classic text 'The Art of War' says every pound of food you take from the enemy saves you twenty). Also, unless supplies are extreamely well guarded, the could be subject to attacks, or poisoning. 2) Scouting: Military planning requires accurate information, and getting that can be deadly. Use of decoys, camoflage, spys, etc., could each create a story. Even in the time of Alexander the Great, Military Intelligence was a matter of great importance (Alexander himself was once wounded trying to scout enemy troops). 3) Technology: New inventions have often turned the tide of battle. A sage could offer the PCs the results of his research if they provide funding, only to be turned away by them, and make the offer to a more appreciative Master.... Sabotage, assassinations, kidnappings could all revolve around new technologies like the Double Catapult and the Repeating Crossbow.... 4) Superior Tactics: A little research on military history can yield nearly infinite ways to spice up army battles. A group of enemy cavelry could go around the battlefield in an attempt to take the PC's archers from behind. A supposedly deserted encampment could be hiding a mass of camaflaged warriors waiting for the PC's army to sleep or march. Invisibility + Silence 15' radius. Casks of lamp oil launced by catapult followed by flameing arrows. 5) The Other Horsemen: Wars tend to be accompanied by plagues and famines as bodies are left to carrion eaters and the fields lose their workers to the battles. 6) Martial Law: With so many men who wqould otherwise be protecting the innocent marching off to die, packs of roving bandits could run wild without fear of justice. And the Enemy could easily make deals with these criminals.... 7) Alliances: Obtaining/Preventing alliances could be the most important part of a war, imagine if the PCs learn that Glantri (just to name an example) has sided with the Master. "Chaos rules, so I'm in charge." - Arkon, Dark Lord of Chaos; Ruler of the Lost City; Kobold Tactician; Keeper of the Mystic Sock. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 04:07:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Lesser fiend combat tactics for DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Things to remember when facing adventurers: Timestop them and merrily set up your traps You can fly, except for some reason you winged Whispering Fiends, use this advantage you fiends! Use your dispel magic on them to knock down all those protections that they have, also good if they try to fly after you. Meteor swarm is your friend, target lightly armoured first since they are usually the spellcasters (8d6 no save hurts them a lot!). Do try for interesting overlaps when targeting if possible. repeat as necessary. This is one of the reasons that the actual WotI adventures suck since each PC gets a fiend all their own and one for the NPC too, that's 32d6 no save plus 32d6 fire damage save for half not counting any overlaps in the first round to each PC and the named NPC. New party please. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:59:27 CDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Web Warlock Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Works for me! Ok, here is what was going on the last time I ran Glantri. The year is 315 (or 1515 AC for you), the years were redone when the last of the princes fell to civilian armies. King Johan Werper II rules Glantri. He is not only it's highest official but he is also a member of it's newly reformed church. The mage guild and the school have been rebuilt and wizards still take a role in the ruling Glantri via it's council. Nine wizards sit on the council they answer to the Kashmir, or advisor to the King. The King makes any executive ruling, but the real power in in the Parliament, Glantri's "House of Commons" so to speak. They run the day to day functions of government. The mage school is still the best in the known world, with the largest library. As a side note, Larina, my witch PC featured in my Complete Netbook of Witches and Warlocks, is/was the chief librarian of the school of wizardry, and no one ever suspected. The various merchant and trade guilds now hold more power than in the past. The thieves' guild, known as the Beast, is the most powerful and actually contributes to the current level of peace and economic stability in Glantri. The mercenaries guild, the Slayer Society, were instrumental in actions prior to and during the Ecclesiastic War that they are sort of the "peoples heroes". Most of the people in power today had some link (financial, family, clan) to the freedom fighters of the war. *All* undead (absolutely all) have been discovered and destroyed. You will not find so much as an undead cockroach in my Glantri. The "new" religion in Glantri teaches that all undead are an anathema to human life and should be destroyed. Bodies are burned, not buried. The King is a Lawful Good paladin, so he and his family have made sure that the borders of Glantri are clear of all undead. Werebeasts and some demihumans (goblins) still live in it's borders, but they are rare. While Glantri was turned inward the rest of the world moved on. The Republic of Darokin was invaded and defeated by a dictator. At this point I used the old Judges Guild �City State of the Invincible Overlord� for an adventures to the former republic. Eventually the City State and Glantri entered into war. The Overlord, Yoln, successfully crossed the Broken lands and brought the war to Glantri�s doorstep. This was year 359. Johan II is killed in battle (believed anyway) and his son is missing. His daughter, Celene, becomes Regent-Queen at 19. One of the last things I did was roleplay out the war. Glantri was nearly wiped out. It was very cool. IF I update any of this for 3E it will be set in 461, the year after Queen Celene dies at age 120 and 100 years of peaceful rule. Plus I have scores of other little details. For example Johan II shocks everyone by marrying a prominent wizard from the �old school� of Glantri. Psionics and Witchcraft are illegal and punishable by death (the Council�s idea). Queen Celene discovers that her arranged marriage is to a brilliant tactical leader respected by the military, but who is also gay. Her first born son is not her husband�s, but may belong to her Kashmir (advisor). The return of a once thought dead vampire lord (no one you know). The makeup of the Order of the North Star, Glantri�s super-elite unit of rangers. If you want more, I've got another 400 or so pages. Warlock >Then perhaps some info on your present day Glantri? It could be neat = >with a time-travel adventure to a 'Glantri that might be'. Sure, I could = >work that out myself, but why bother if I can rip somebody else's work = >off? :) > >Info such as current government, social classes, wizard's new role in = >society, that kind of thing, could be nice. And if you've got sketchy = >details on other nations in your line of time that could be cool too. > >Jacob Skytte >scythe@wanadoo.dk > -- WebWarlock webwarlock@iname.com The Other Side, http://www.rpghost.com/WebWarlock Home of the Complete Netbook of Witches and Warlocks _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:39:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul Benfield Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I'm making a return to the list after being absent for several months due to work, holidays, life etc. My website has my interpretations of speciality priests of the more common Mystaran Immortals for 2E. Please let me know if anyone wants any more Immortals put on the list. Amazingly WOTC have shipped 3E to us Brits much quicker than I anticipated and it looks really good. I fully intend to provide 3E conversions of the above material as well... Hope it proves helpful. Paul Benfield http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.benfield -----Original Message----- From: Mystara [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of Master's Pawn Sent: 31 August 2000 22:45 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] 3E cleric domains and immortals Thats a great start Dylan. Where (besides Starflung) are there sites with work ups on immortals, OD&D speciality priests, pantheons, etc? BoBoII PS: Check out the great work being done by my Webmaster, John, for our Phoenyx game based on the X series. www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/6239 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:29:26 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Web Warlock gave a stunning account of his = Glantri (our future Glantri?) Absolutely cool! I especially liked the way, you (mostly) avoided = mentioning past events, and so far I've seen nothing to prevent this = from being Glantri's actual (or alternate) future. I have some questions = for you, so I can better use your Glantri in a time-travel adventure. What kind of laws and punishment are there? Any special laws one should = be aware of? How are they enforced? Are there any insurgents in the country? Any left-overs from the = original wizard-princes? What sort of dangers lurk beneath the surface? What are the cities like? What can one expect to find in a given city? What is the role of magic in society? You mentioned a competent wizard = school and mages on the council, are wizards/magic common among the = populace, and what do they do? What are the tenets of the new, reformed church (besides bashing = undead)? Is the religion mandatory? Are there other religions in your = Glantri? Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:27:59 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-03 5:57:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul.benfield@VIRGIN.NET writes: > My website has my interpretations of speciality priests of the more common > Mystaran Immortals for 2E. Please let me know if anyone wants any more > Immortals put on the list. Where are they described? I went to your site and searched it in vain for those descriptions. I suspect that you probably meant to put them somewhere beyond the broken "Rules" link. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:16:43 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul Benfield Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, The link you want is "Priests and the Immortals" in the Rules section. I've tested the site in Internet Explorer and Netscape and there's no broken link as far as I can see. The URL for the Immortals stuff is http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.benfield/rules/religion.htm If you find out what is going on I'd like to know - what browser are you using? Where is the broken link on the site? Cheers Paul Benfield -----Original Message----- From: Mystara [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of David Knott Sent: 03 September 2000 18:28 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] 3E cleric domains and immortals In a message dated 2000-09-03 5:57:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul.benfield@VIRGIN.NET writes: > My website has my interpretations of speciality priests of the more common > Mystaran Immortals for 2E. Please let me know if anyone wants any more > Immortals put on the list. Where are they described? I went to your site and searched it in vain for those descriptions. I suspect that you probably meant to put them somewhere beyond the broken "Rules" link. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:25:42 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Gault Subject: Alebane quick 3E stats In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Just for fun I converted Alebane to 3E stats. Here's what I got (the reasons follow the stats): Alebane Ogre Fighter Lvl 6 Large Humanoid Hit Dice: 4d8 + 6D10 + 40 (102 hp) Initiative: =961 (Dex) Speed: 30 ft. AC: 19 (=961 size, =961 Dex, +5 natural, +6 banded mail) Attacks: Huge +3 Warhammer +18/+13 (+10/+5 base + 5 Strength + 1 Weapon Focus +3 magical =961 size) Damage: Huge +3 Warhammer 1D10+10 (+5 strength + 3 magic + 2 specialization) Face/Reach: 5 ft. by 5 ft./10 ft. Saves: Fort +11, Ref +2, Will +2 Abilities: Str 20, Dex 8, Con 18, Int 9, Wis 9, Cha 8 Skills: Climb +8, Listen +3, Spot +3, Jump +3 Feats: Power Attack, Weapon Focus (Warhammer), Cleave, Weapon Specialization (Warhammer), Improved Critical (Warhammer) Challenge Rating: 8 (when alone) Alignment: lawful evil Reasons: Race/Class/Level: Alebane is given as a 10th level Ogre or 10th level fighter in the almanacs. In 3e, all ogres seem to start out as 4th level "warriors" already, so I added on 6 levels of fighter to make up the difference, as ogres advance through classes. Hit Dice/Points: Stacking ogre & fighter HD. Giving about average hp/die and adding in con bonus gives 102 hp. Much better than the puny 78 he had before. Saves: Added fighter saves to standard ogre saves, subtracted one from will save due to Alebane's lower-than-ogre-average Wis score. Skills: Ogre skills + fighter skill adding on Feats: Not to cheat Alebane, I didn't give him weapon focus (greatclub) as his ogre feat, but instead gave him power attack, a common feat (so it seems) for humanoids. Then I gave him standard fighter feats ofr his level and almost standard character feats for his level. As a 4th level character, an ogre is short one feat. If you're feeling generous, he would probably have great cleave as well. He seems pretty focussed on the warhammer, so I gave him the full treatment with the associated feats. It makes him a true monster: d10+10 damage twice a round with a critical on 19 or 20 for X3 damage (including bonuses). With that critical he can drop one of his own people (standard ogre) with one blow of minimum damage. Then with Cleave he can move onto another one. Good for keeping the troops in line. Note that a charm spell will take care of Alebane easily... his save is pitiful. He probably won't save vs. a fireball either, but his hitpoints will take care of that. Though there don't seem to be any half-dragons in Mystara, I'm toying with the idea of having the half-red dragon/half-ogre on the WotC website challenge Alebane for leadership of the ogres. I can see the forces of chaos prefering a chaotic (and extremely violent) being leading the ogres rather than the lawful Alebane. Of course, Alebane will win, he's one of my favourites. Dylan G ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:04:56 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Advice on War (was: Teleportation and Espionage) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is how greek fire got it's name. it had originally benn offered to saladin. who turned it down. then it was offered to the rulers of constantinople. they used it to great effect on the fleet saladin sent to try to invade. mortus. > 3) Technology: New inventions have often turned the tide of battle. A sage > could offer the PCs the results of his research if they provide funding, only > to be turned away by them, and make the offer to a more appreciative > Master.... Sabotage, assassinations, kidnappings could all revolve around > new technologies like the Double Catapult and the Repeating Crossbow.... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:04:43 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Alebane quick 3E stats In-Reply-To: <20000903182332.STHM19855.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I like it! One question though. I'm using pine, and some of the characters in your mail came out as "^o" I dunno what you use as a mail reader/sender, but this is just a heads up. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:30:31 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Martins Subject: Re: Advice on War (was: Teleportation and Espionage) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That story is quite easy to adapt for us. It could lead to thyatian fire. During one of the Thaytis-Alphatia wars, some alchemist offered this formula to the alphatians, who turned it down as they didn't need those mundane means to crush other nations easily. When a few dragon-riding thyatians and several catapults were used it to put fire on most of their attacking air ships, the substance got its name. jason o'brien wrote: > this is how greek fire got it's name. > it had originally benn offered to saladin. > who turned it down. > then it was offered to the rulers of constantinople. > they used it to great effect on the fleet saladin sent to try to invade. > > mortus. > > > 3) Technology: New inventions have often turned the tide of battle. A > sage > > could offer the PCs the results of his research if they provide funding, > only > > to be turned away by them, and make the offer to a more appreciative > > Master.... Sabotage, assassinations, kidnappings could all revolve around > > new technologies like the Double Catapult and the Repeating Crossbow.... > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:31:51 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: UNdead and aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:43:24 DM wrote: > The Stalker wrote: (snip) > ><for error at all?>> > >Does repeating an action every day make it more likely to be mistaken? If >I get up every morning for years, does this mean I'm gonna screw it somehow >at some point? Well, maybe if u called up the chance calculus I'd agree, >but we're talking about D&D.. Don't tell me u give your players chances to >screw the memorizing of spells with cumulative points for each year they >keep studying! ;p > No, but that's not really what I meant. I compare it to the situation where I would try to turn on my TV at exactly 8 PM *every* day... It's not a difficult thing to do per se, but try to do it over a period of a month or so - it's a lot harder not to miss the opportunity, not to have appointments that interfere with it, than one might think. Even getting up in the morning is sometimes screwed up - people oversleep, are ill, or some other thing happens to delay them or stop them from getting up altogether once in a while. It may not happen often, but it does happen ever so occasionally. I don't force my players to roll for botching attempts to memorize spells, but it's not quite the same thing, I think - it doesn't matter at all, or enough anyway, whether they memorize those spells at 8 AM or 11 AM (or some other time for that matter)... ><< I'm not sure if we're playing the same game, but I'm using 2e rules, and >as a DM I recently used a lich against the PCs and discovered that they >don't really have that many special powers. They can escape death using the >phylactery and are immune to non-magical weapons, yes, but those are not >highly special abilities IMHO. >> > >HECK! A lich is IMMORTAL because of his phylactery! U just cannot destroy >him till u destroy the phylactery. Sure, u'll beat him but he'll always get >back tougher, meaner and deadlier than ever if u don't locate his >phylactery and destroy it. And u don't have so many lifetimes to do it! :) > Okay, agreed. But apart from that Phylactery, he's not *that* special, I think. I mean, he has no particularly powerful abilities to use in combat against the PCs, just his spells... Then again, those are usually more than enough, of course ;) ><< A demi-lich on the other hand - AWESOME >> > >Yeah, well, I consider a demilich a lesser immortal actually... and >sometimes it's even tougher than a low level Immortal (pit a demilich vs >Rheddrian and I tell u poor Benekander will flee to his Beagle crying!). > LOL :) >On this note, I've noticed that low level fiends are just CRAPPY against >high level mortals. Ever tried using Screaming or Croaking demons? They >only get beaten up by 20th+ level characters, and their magical powers are >negligible.. the AD&D versions are much tougher (True Tanar'ri like Vrocks >IIRC..) > Why do you think I have all the Planescape Monstrous Compendium volumes ;) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:53:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:50:37 Jacob Skytte wrote: >Web Warlock wrote: > >> What do you want to see from my "Glantri"? I don't think I should post all >> that I have. Too much noise for so little content (for the list anyway). >> Like I said before, most of the good stuff ended up in my Witches netbook. >> >> I set my present day in Glantri 315 years after the civil war. The >> Priest-Kings had ruled in an uneasy peace for years. The Mage guild was >> still very powerful, but not like in Glantri's past (your present). > >Then perhaps some info on your present day Glantri? It could be neat with a time-travel adventure to a 'Glantri that might be'. Sure, I could work that out myself, but why bother if I can rip somebody else's work off? :) > >Info such as current government, social classes, wizard's new role in society, that kind of thing, could be nice. And if you've got sketchy details on other nations in your line of time that could be cool too. > Or, alternatively, this 'Glantri' could be set up as another nation somewhere on Mystara. There is still a *lot* of space for us to fill... You could get a place for this society on Skothar, for example, which some of us are trying to place new and interesting societies on... It actually sounds as if it might fit rather well, I think. Just a thought. - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:04:26 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Immortal demons/fiends whatever Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Andrew Theisen wrote: <> No Andrew, I AM referring to that crap monster described in the Immortal rules old version (gold box). Maybe u don't remember him well or have never used it in combat following the rules as they were written there, but believe me, I HAVE, and there's a GREAT difference between a Screaming and an Howling Demon, for example. And the screamin variety is just very easy to beat, ESPECIALLy if u consider his Saves (novice Immortal) and the fact it can be hit by ANY weapon. Let me refresh your memory with the common powers of the demonic kin (straight from gold box, so take note you who miss it! ;)) : * +1 bonus to Surprise and Initiative rolls * Power Use (they use Power Points to reproduce spells and engage in Power combat with other immortals) * Call Other (d% to call other demons or undead in if they need it.. useless in the Prime to call forth demons) * Speak with Anybody * Infravision 120' * Enter/leave Ethereal and Astral plane without spending PP 1/day * Regenerate (1hp/rnd in Entropy plane or maybe in entropic church as well, 1hp/day everywhere else) * High Ability scores (18 is lowest for lesser demons, 35 is top for greater ones, in both Str, Int and Con) (they don't even get AURA Attack!!) Resistances: * No need to eat/breathe * Immune to mind reading, disease, aging, energy drain, death ray (meaning an attack that kills the soul, like Power Words and Finger of Death, IMHO) * Minimum damage from any mortal attack form (always take only 1 point of damage per die rolled, whether magic or normal attack, + any other pluses) * Anti Magic Aura Now, I want to remind u that each demon, according to the old Immortal rules, has what is called a Maximum PP Expenditure for Magical Effects, basically the max PP he can use to mimic a spell. Now, referring to Table D1 in Page 35 of Immortal DMG, here's the max PP allowed: Screaming: 8 Temporary PP Whispering: 8 Croaking: 14 Howling: 20 Groaning: 26 Hissing: 32 Roaring: 38 Wonder what u can do with 8 PP? The most dangerous spells are Hold Person, Charm Person, Darkness. WOW! Impressive! I'm just as scared when I meet a 4th level cleric or mage! :) Sure, the Screaming Demon has 500 PP, so he can cast MANY Hold person spells... but hey, have u seen his SAVES? It just gets one Disintegrate spell to put him down. He uses his Immortal Saves (Novice) even with mortal magic, and since Disintegrate is an all or nothing type of magic, he cannot reduce damage. And his chance to survive is a roll of 14 or more on his d20 (since a Disintegrate I'd rule is a Physical Attack, that's to say something that can damage his body but to which he can resist using his stamina. Oh, u can rule it's a Spell attack, but then his chances to survive are ZERO, since his SPell Save is 20!!!! Worse than a mere 0 level mortal!!). Now, okay, u can still say his Anti Magic is always on, so he doesn't risk anything from spells.. but even then, his AM is only 50%.. I'd say he gets disintegrated once every 4 attempts.. And again, u may say: Heck, he could hack the Mage to pieces! Yes... he's got 5 attacks per round, but he does 1-4 x 2claws/1-8 x 2talons/1-6 with bite +Str... not pretty much. U just need a good fighter to stand in his way and protect the mage (Screaming demon has only 100 Hp, like average 24th level Fighter Joe, and Fighter Joe gets Armor Value IMC, while poor demon has no armor and only AC 0, so his attacks may do average 2-3 hps each if he's lucky ) I still remain true to my opinion: he doesn't have a chance against a wizard with at least 4 Disintegrate and a fighter even armed with a pitchfork (can be hit by ANYTHING, remember!!)! Then Paul George Dooley added: << You mean you don't allow them to take the spellcasting suites with their PP so they can mimic their Goldbox spellcasting capabilities (WotI bk1 p109. 1st column, 1st paragraph in description). Shame on you! Any creature that can heal at will, cast meteor swarm at will, and, because they aren't immortal it costs no PP, cast wish at will is going to chew up any mortal party even if caught unawares.>> WHAT?? Oh, yes, I remember now: that silly rule about spending 50 PP and being able to cast ALL of the spells as if a 36th level magic user or cleric for 24hrs. That's one of the things I didn't like in WotI: oversimplification of the old rules. I don't accept that a lowly demon (considering they've got their HD reduced by 10 in the new version of WotI) can cast all of the spells he want just with 50 PP! It's just stupid to me. A demon can cast ALL of the spells he know EVERY TIME he wants, not just 9/9/9/9... etc. What If He wanna cast 10 Meteor Storms? Why couldn't he? He's all powerful, you could say! Also, if he really can cast all those spells, he'd surely be casting multiple Wishes to raise his stats and scores like a munchkin player! NO WAY MAN! IMC I rule to heighten a bit the maximum power expendable for spells by Demons, so I rule they can spend a maximum of PP for each spell based on their Hit Dice. So Screaming Demons are boosted from a lowly 8 PP to 20 PP (which adds Cure/Cause Critical Wounds, Finger of Death and Flesh to Stone to their firepower, altho they don't reach Fireball - 22PP), while the mightiest one, the Roaring Demon (I consider Orcus and Demogorgon full fledged Immortals as per WotI, so they have no Power expenditure limitation) has 35 PP to spend with each spell-like effects, which adds Power Word Kill, Delayed Blast Fireball, Teleport Any Object and Force Field (just to name a few) to his powers. HOWEVER, follwing this rule all of the fiends are barred from ever casting all of wizards' ninth level spells and a couple of priests' seventh level spells, most notably TimeStop, Shapechange, Maze, Meteor Swarm, Cureall, Symbol, Gate and Obliterate, which just makes sense to me. If they were able to cast Gate for example, then why did GAZ11 report that Razrog (a Roaring Demon) was having a heck of a time to come to the prime plane after Henry Ithel tried to summon him? COuld have simply gated in there (and so could ALL of the High level demons with their servants!)! This way Demons are tougher (even the lowly ones) but they still have limits that separate them from full fledged Immortals (even low level Immortals) and highest level mortals! To me, it sounds logical, whereas that thing of granting them ALL of the wizard's and cleric's powers is cheesy and crappy. << The point to wonder over is, can those lesser fiends who have more than 100 PP use the rest for immortal level spells such as "Reduce Saving Throw"?>> Oh, why then? Are the PP in WotI so low for demons (besides their HD)?? I haven't xeroxed the monsters part cause I found them oversimplified.. prefer the old rules. Anyway, my rule above gives u the answer: if said power costs more than their Max Expenditure rate (ie HD), then they are barred from using it, otherwise they can.. But remember, demons use their normal Saves vs Mortal and Immortal magic alike, and the lowliest ones have ridicolously high Saves!!! (only, the mortals don't know it at first contact) ;) That's why I said Screaming Demons are not that tough. I remember my players are always thrilled when I say the word "demons" during an adventure, and always pray to meet Screaming demons (the Crane Demons as they call them), cause they're "Easy Xps!!" (71,075 Xp per Crane! More than for fighting a 36th level mage), whereas they've got a holy terror of Howling Demons (which are 4 times the screamings' value)! Oh, and Paul, thanks for the tips anyway. I use them more than u can imagine: I've been running a Master level campaign for one year now and it's a constant matter of strategics and powergaming "against" my players.. ;) One more question before quitting: do u think an entropic fiend can use the Ability score attack mode against immortals and mortals alike (there's nothing that covers this type case in the old boxed set, so theoretically they could..) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:23:15 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: UNdead and aging In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, The Stalker wrote: > Okay, agreed. But apart from that Phylactery, he's not *that* special, oD&D Liches don't have Phylacteries (sp?) That weakens them slightly. However, They do cast as 36-th level or so :) 9-9th level spells? Yummy! > >Yeah, well, I consider a demilich a lesser immortal actually... and > >sometimes it's even tougher than a low level Immortal (pit a demilich vs > >Rheddrian and I tell u poor Benekander will flee to his Beagle crying!). Actually, since a Demi-lich is really just a really old lich, he'd be exalted at best, but his magic would be mortal. Therefore, Benekander could merely obliterate him. The Lich's soul stealing abilities would be moot as well - Magic jar-like abilities don't work on Immortals. My personal take on immortals is this: even a first level Immortal can wipe the floor with a mortal being. Hands down. Just one power attack, and that moral is either dead, teleported to a plane with no oxygen, or Gated to the vortex. Game over. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:08:16 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-03 2:23:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paul.benfield@VIRGIN.NET writes: > The link you want is "Priests and the Immortals" in the Rules section. I've > tested the site in Internet Explorer and Netscape and there's no broken link > as far as I can see. Upon further testing I think the problem is not broken links per se but intermittent availability of the server. For some unknown reason, after a minute or so of looking around the server refuses to accept further connections. As a result, it is very difficult to get a good look around at the site -- after reading a few pages, it becomes impossible to get through to any more links. I was able to reach the Immortal conversion page, but after I looked at the first couple of Immortals it became impossible to look at any more. I am sure that on the next attempt I will be able to look at a couple more before I am locked out again. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:08:19 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Alebane quick 3E stats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-03 2:47:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dylan.gault@SYMPATICO.CA writes: > Alebane > > Ogre Fighter Lvl 6 > Large Humanoid The "2000 Survival Kit" says "Large Giant". > Abilities: Str 20, If you are converting from 2E that would work out to a strength of 25 in 3E. If you are converting from Gaz 10, the average strength of an Ogre works out to about 17, so Alebane at 19 would be one point above average, for a strength of 23. Either way, his strength should be increased slightly. > Dex 8, Con 18, Int 9, Wis 9, Given that Alebane's intelligence and wisdom, I would probably bump up his wisdom and bump down his intelligence by a point each. That would, among other things, eliminate his wisdom penalty. > Cha 8 I might raise that score all the way to 11. In Gaz 10 he has a charisma of 16, which gives him a +2 modifier bonus over racial average for an Ogre. > Alignment: lawful evil I would quibble with this one, but the argument would be with your PWA III source and not with you. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:56:43 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: 3E cleric domains and immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/03/2000 8:21:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kaviyd@AOL.COM writes: << Upon further testing I think the problem is not broken links per se but intermittent availability of the server. For some unknown reason, after a minute or so of looking around the server refuses to accept further connections. As a result, it is very difficult to get a good look around at the site -- after reading a few pages, it becomes impossible to get through to any more links. I was able to reach the Immortal conversion page, but after I looked at the first couple of Immortals it became impossible to look at any more. I am sure that on the next attempt I will be able to look at a couple more before I am locked out again. >> Went there with no trouble whatsoever. AOL from USA. Go figure. Liked your Immortal work, btw. BoBoII ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:19:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Immortal demons/fiends whatever MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DM wrote lots of interesting stuff which has been snipped but read and appreciated. The Fiends stack up very well against the Demons from AD&D they are imitations of apart from the saves thing, which IMO is a typo. I always gave them saves as HD vs mortal magic. The AD&D teleport no error power is a cool one that got lost in the shuffle though. Funnily enough all my fiends have it. > << The point to wonder over is, can those lesser fiends who have more than > 100 PP use the rest for immortal level spells such as "Reduce Saving Throw"?>> > > Oh, why then? Are the PP in WotI so low for demons (besides their HD)?? I > haven't xeroxed the monsters part cause I found them oversimplified.. > prefer the old rules. > PP are a whole lot diferent, lower, after SNAFU (WotI). The RST spell costs 1 TP per point you worsen the saves of your opponents versus the spell you cast. > One more question before quitting: do u think an entropic fiend can use the > Ability score attack mode against immortals and mortals alike (there's > nothing that covers this type case in the old boxed set, so theoretically > they could..) Table on P12 of the gold box players says Immortals as victims. Which sort of lets out mortals, since gold box describes demons (the old name for fiends) as Immortals. Then again"Your game, Your rules" ;^) Glad you enjoyed my little fiendish ideas and that they may actually prove useful here's another. Depending on how you manage anti-magic switching opponents each round is a really nasty thing to do, as everything which is still working must make another roll to see if it does this round. If you are using the WotI version this affects items too, and takes a turn to wear off after you leave the AM area. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:05:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Alebane quick 3E stats In-Reply-To: <32.9a9835e.26e441f3@aol.com>; from Kaviyd@AOL.COM on Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 08:08:19PM -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 08:08:19PM -0400, David Knott wrote: > > > Cha 8 > > I might raise that score all the way to 11. In Gaz 10 he has a charisma > of 16, which gives him a +2 modifier bonus over racial average for an Ogre. Since charisma is defined as force of personality etc, should conversions into 3e take this into account? That is, give Thar a high charisma (based on his humanoid cha) and ignore the inverting to get his human charisma? Personally I'd go for this and give Alebane a 16 for Charisma gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:08:19 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ezio Pignatelli Organization: SISSA Subject: Mystara Hollow World Conveyor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------86A59C7F2BA0FD1156858C75" --------------86A59C7F2BA0FD1156858C75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I was away for a while, and could not answer immediately. I just want to thank all those that sent me, on the list or as private mail, info about this Artefact. I will post the result of the adventure as soon as we succeed in playing it (Ahm these players! They always claim to be involved in something strange called "Real Life"). Anyway, thanx a lot. (this include your nice multi-adventure spamming, DM. Really, really nice. :) ). -- Ezio Pignatelli --- SISSA -- Room 9 via Beirut 4 - 34014 Trieste - Italy Phone: +39-040-3787525 Fax:+39-040-3787528 mailto:pignatel@sissa.it http://www.sissa.it/ap/pignatel.html -- --------------86A59C7F2BA0FD1156858C75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I was away for a while, and could not answer immediately.
I just want to thank all those that sent me, on the list or as private mail,
info about this Artefact.

I will post the result of the adventure as soon as we succeed in playing it (Ahm these players!
They always claim to be involved in something strange called "Real Life").

Anyway, thanx a lot. (this include your nice multi-adventure spamming, DM. Really, really nice. :) ). 

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  --------------86A59C7F2BA0FD1156858C75-- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:36:13 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: 'Generic' Mystara Elves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From one of your many informative websites, I learned that the elvish term for elves was Elas. From another site, I got a good listing of the many elf subraces of Mystara (Callarii, Vyalia, Isvatu, Aquanesti, Ee'ar, etc) Is there some collective phrase the Mystaran elves refer to themselves as a race? Your thoughts, please -o >Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:32:58 +0200 >From: Morten Brattbakk >Subject: Re: Ansalon Elves >---------- > > Fra: Oliver > > > What I am looking for here is some elvish term that the elves refer to > > themselves as a race. In the Forgotten Realms setting, most of the elf > > races of Faerun call themselves the Tel'Quessir. > > > > Is there some all-encompassing Elvish term that the elves would call > > themselves? > >There used to be. In ancient texts, the word "Colinesti" (which means >"children of the morning") was used as a catch-all phrase for all elves. It >is seldom used in today's Ansalon, probably because civilized elves like >the Silvanesi and Qualinesi don't want to associate themselves to closely >with the Kagonesti. > >(Source: DL7 Dragons of Light). > >Morten ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:40:20 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904152621.00b03ce0@pop.uky.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Oliver wrote: > Is there some collective phrase the Mystaran elves refer to themselves as a > race? I don't think so. Gaz 5 doesn't say anything, neither does the "Tree of Life" adventure. Unlike the other D&D worlds, Mystaran Elves are not descended from the blood of Corellon Larenthian, and thus are a different race altogether. I don't think that the different Elven races consider themselves under the same racial umbrella. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:38:21 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Web Warlock Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri - more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I am glad that this is being well received. Maybe I'll put out my "Holy Lands of Glantri" book after all... I'll break this up into a couple of posts. I don't mention past events because when I created my Glantri these "past" events had not happened yet! I did not get a copy of GAZ3 until 87 or KoM till about 92 or 94. Laws: mostly common sense ones; don't steal, kill, stuff like that. There is one law that is important, Glantri has a law against witchcraft. Witchcraft can be anything, but typically it is used against rival wizards, psionics, and true witches (my style witches, not the ones in GAZ3). Murder, Rape, and Witchcraft are the only ones punishable by death. Laws are enforced by the local militia (police) and the judged by the local councils. Like the big Council in Glantri city, the local councils are made up of nine, but they do not have to be wizards. They act as judge and jury. They are elected by the people. Religion: Glantri is very aware of it's past. So despite the fact that it is now a Theocracy, other religions (as long as they are good aligned) are tolerated. Most of them are located in Temple Row on the city's north east side. Wizards tend to be atheists. The official priest of Glantri is the Sun Priest. I submitted it to the Unearthed Arcania netbook a few years ago, you can get it from, http://the-desk.com/arcania/netbook/Book2/Kits/sun-priest.html. This is a 2nd Ed adaptation I did around 92. The common folk are not required to belong to the state or any religion, but many do. They see the Church of Glantri as the instrument that had overthrown the Princes. Among the cults in Glantri (all hidden of course) the most dangerous to all in the "Cult of the Whispering God". I touched a bit on it in my witches netbook. It is a demon (as in 1st Ed AD&D) worshipping, Chaotic Evil cult. Old School Wizards: Are there any Insurgents? Oh my is there! As you can imagine the wizards did not like to loss of power when the Priest-King came into power. So there has always been a "cold war" between the two. The majority of the wizards in Glantri want to be left alone, the government allows them to study as they wish and it is still the best mage school on the planet. There are some, known as the "Cabal" who try to bring things back to the bad, old days. Their leader is known only as "The Magnus" (he is also the Grand Warlock of the Cult of the Whispering God). In 289 (Glantri Year) the succeeded in have the King assassinated, leaving no heirs. This action was the beginning of many of the events that would lead to the War against Yoln. Johan II successfully quested for an ancient artifact that had been the ruling symbol of Nord, the First King of Glantri. It was the great sword Demonbane (I know, sounds familiar, but what good is a legend if you can't steal from it!). In my world certain magic items were attuned to certain families and only a member of that bloodline could use it. Johan II proved to be a member of the royal house when he discovered and used Demonbane. Magic: Magic is now treated like death by the common folk. Yes it is there, and everyone will experience it, but it is misunderstood and best if avoided. The common people blamed magic for their troubles prior to the civil war, now they would rather rely on mundane means to do things. But magic is still everywhere and it is much more common than in other countries. Enemies: Besides Yoln to the South and Magnus within the borders, their are a few others. A terrorist know only as Black Rose attacks priest and wizards alike. And a vampire just outside of Glantri, in the Broken Lands, known as Mal Havoc (a name I am *sure* I stole from somewhere, I just can't remember where...), who in later years manages to kill the Kashmir's wife. Warlock. -- Web Warlock webwarlock@iname.com The Other Side, http://rpghost.com/WebWarlock/ Home of the Complete Netbook of Witches and Warlocks ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:57:01 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-04 4:02:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, obbing0@POP.UKY.EDU writes: > From one of your many informative websites, I learned that the elvish term > for elves was Elas. That is definitely unofficial -- I have never heard or seen that one before. But it is as good a name as any. > From another site, I got a good listing of the many > elf subraces of Mystara (Callarii, Vyalia, Isvatu, Aquanesti, Ee'ar, etc) Strictly speaking, Callarii and Vyalia are clans, not subraces -- there is little or no physical distinction among these two clans and most other forest-dwelling Elves. Aquarendi are Aquatic Elves, and Ee'aar are Winged Elves, but Isvatu are probably another unofficial clan of otherwise normal Elves. > Is there some collective phrase the Mystaran elves refer to themselves as a > race? Not that I am aware of -- feel free to use "Elas" or make up your own term. At this point it would be "whatever the Elven word for 'Elf" is". ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:32:28 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brad McMillan Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Unlike the other D&D worlds, Mystaran Elves are not descended from the >blood of Corellon Larenthian, and thus are a different race altogether. >I don't think that the different Elven races consider themselves under the >same racial umbrella. > >Ethan I think Ordana created the elves of Mystara, as the guardians of the forests (in essence, of herself), correct? Brad ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:21:49 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.20000904173230.457f9fc0@mail.odyssey.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Brad McMillan wrote: > I think Ordana created the elves of Mystara, as the guardians of the > forests (in essence, of herself), correct? Exactly. But there really is no connection between Shadow Elves, Sea Elves, Land Elves and Air Elves. They all came from the same place, but they are distinct "races". ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:37:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is your assertion that a butterfly and an octopus should be seen as being part of the same race even though they share the same origin? George ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteelAngel" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] 'Generic' Mystara Elves > On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Brad McMillan wrote: > > > I think Ordana created the elves of Mystara, as the guardians of the > > forests (in essence, of herself), correct? > > Exactly. > > But there really is no connection between Shadow Elves, Sea Elves, Land > Elves and Air Elves. They all came from the same place, but they are > distinct "races". > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:49:27 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ryan Seratt Subject: Re: Strange times in Glantri - more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/00 3:26:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, web_warlock@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << Mal Havoc >> This was the name of the Wizard in a "Justice League" cartoon back a long time ago. It was the episode where the Super friends were turned into trolls. Don't ask me how I remembered all that. I guess I thought the name was cool too. Ryan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:22:10 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DJ Sahlas Subject: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole "Harry Potter" thing? You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. Jim/bitter old-timer/Sahlas ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:58:57 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-04 11:48:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dsahla@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA writes: > Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole > "Harry Potter" thing? > > You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. I would agree on your last point, but only because I so love Gaz 3 -- I am totally indifferent to the Harry Potter books that I have not yet gotter around to reading. From what little I know about them, they are set in a world that is far more like ours than Mystara will ever be. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:09:59 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <01c016e8$7a4c0500$59bfa8c6@dsahla.mcgill.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 23:22 9/4/00 -0400, DJ Sahlas wrote: >Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole >"Harry Potter" thing? > >You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. > > Jim/bitter old-timer/Sahlas > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:10:36 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <01c016e8$7a4c0500$59bfa8c6@dsahla.mcgill.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 23:22 9/4/00 -0400, DJ Sahlas wrote: >Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole >"Harry Potter" thing? Nope. >You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. After, you know, putting BD&D back in print. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:39:54 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Deirdre M. Brooks" Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DJ Sahlas wrote: > > Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole > "Harry Potter" thing? No. :-) > You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. Heh. :-) I want all the Gazzes collated into a single 320-page volume or three. Right now. Like it'll happen (sigh). -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "Atlantic City is Oz envisioned by used car salesmen and pimps." http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | --Rick Glumsky, Celtic Filth ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:27:12 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Deirdre M. Brooks" Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beau Yarbrough wrote: > > >You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. > > After, you know, putting BD&D back in print. I keep not finding D&D Cyclopedias for sale, and on Ebay, they keep outbidding me. Bastards. The Cyclopedia was one of TSR's best works (maybe *the* best?). It deserves to LIVE, damnit! (I'm histrionic because I've completed an assignment on time for the first time in three months. Humor me) -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "Atlantic City is Oz envisioned by used car salesmen and pimps." http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | --Rick Glumsky, Celtic Filth ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:31:37 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <39B49240.F5F92E33@teleport.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 23:27 9/4/00 -0700, Deirdre M. Brooks wrote: >Beau Yarbrough wrote: >> >> >You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. >> >> After, you know, putting BD&D back in print. > >I keep not finding D&D Cyclopedias for sale, and on Ebay, they keep >outbidding me. > >Bastards. Welcome to my world. I've pretty much given up on seeing WotI or "Champions of Mystara" at a reasonable price/condition on eBay. And let's not even mention the gazetteers I want (Glantri, Rockhome) ... >(I'm histrionic because I've completed an assignment on time for the >first time in three months. Humor me) OK. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:11:54 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Deirdre M. Brooks" Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beau Yarbrough wrote: > > Welcome to my world. I've pretty much given up on seeing WotI or > "Champions of Mystara" at a reasonable price/condition on eBay. And let's > not even mention the gazetteers I want (Glantri, Rockhome) ... I bet some of these SCUM are on THIS VERY LIST. I'm not too bothered, the subscription will Fix All. Right? Right? Butler? > >(I'm histrionic because I've completed an assignment on time for the > >first time in three months. Humor me) > > OK. It's like I always say, "if you smoke enough crack, you can move the world." I mean...er... "you can do anything you set your mind to." :-) -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "Atlantic City is Oz envisioned by used car salesmen and pimps." http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | --Rick Glumsky, Celtic Filth ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:30:54 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <39B49CBA.ADD02C50@teleport.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:11 9/5/00 -0700, Deirdre M. Brooks wrote: >> Welcome to my world. I've pretty much given up on seeing WotI or >> "Champions of Mystara" at a reasonable price/condition on eBay. And let's >> not even mention the gazetteers I want (Glantri, Rockhome) ... > >I bet some of these SCUM are on THIS VERY LIST. Mystara-lovin' bastards. >It's like I always say, "if you smoke enough crack, you can move the >world." I mean...er... "you can do anything you set your mind to." :-) And, in the words of married men the world over, "whatever the woman says, just agree." BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:58:17 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <01c016e8$7a4c0500$59bfa8c6@dsahla.mcgill.ca>; from dsahla@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA on Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:22:10PM -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:22:10PM -0400, DJ Sahlas wrote: > Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole > "Harry Potter" thing? Nope, I started reading the books a few weeks ago at the insistance of my flat mate - they're cool (only got as far as Prisoner of Azkaban, oh well...) > You ask me, now's the time to mass-market GAZ 3. :) Actually, the Potter series has made me want to do another 'Great School of Magic' campaign. Yes the Harry Potter stuff is based around the real world, but Hogwarts is cool... Hmm, any ideas for School House names for Glantri? Alexander House? > Jim/bitter old-timer/Sahlas :) 'not all old people are sex maniacs out to have fun. Some of us are bitter and twisted, longing for the good old days!' gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:06:22 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <39B49CBA.ADD02C50@teleport.com>; from xenya@TELEPORT.COM on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:11:54AM -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:11:54AM -0700, Deirdre M. Brooks wrote: > > It's like I always say, "if you smoke enough crack, you can move the > world." I mean...er... "you can do anything you set your mind to." :-) While discussing the evilness of Dolores Hillsbury, my players came up with the idea that she was doing something nasty with Unicorns. Quite what they're not sure, but are convinced it involves drugs of some sort, and wierd sexual magics. The Crack Unicorns are now very much a part of the campaign :) gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:42:31 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: UNdead and aging Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SteelAngel wrote: <> Nope. OD&D Liches cast as their level, which can be from 21st to 36th. But I do think that liches are all the same: the mere fact the phylactery isn't mentioned in OD&D rules doesn't mean the OD&D liches don't have it. ;) <> Wrong. Since there is NO demi-lich in OD&D rules, I don't see how u can reach such conclusions. In AD&D a demilich is a lich which has reached its ultimate form, abandoning its physical body and phylactery, and now exists as an all-powerful entity whose only physical form is a skull. A demi-lich is truly powerful, and I don't believe its magic is mortal anymore: Benny's body (either Manifestation or Mortal ID) would just be obliterated if he didn't use a permanent Anti-Magic Barrier against a Demi-lich.. << The Lich's soul stealing abilities would be moot as well - Magic jar-like abilities don't work on Immortals.>> The LIch's magic jar ability only works on corpses, not on living bodies. <> R u sure? Put a 36th level fighter with an Anti-Magic Barrier and a +5 sword against Rheddrian, and we'll see who flees first... ;) OK joking, obviously an Immortal will win against any mortal, but the fact is that an Immortal cannot use his Manifestation form on the Prime without fear of repercussions, so he'll end up using a MOrtal ID, which is MORTAL and easier to beat (cannot use Power Points and Power spells, only those of the mortal form, which is also vulnerable to mortal magic). DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:33:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904152621.00b03ce0@pop.uky.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Oliver wrote: > From one of your many informative websites, I learned that the elvish term > for elves was Elas. From another site, I got a good listing of the many > elf subraces of Mystara (Callarii, Vyalia, Isvatu, Aquanesti, Ee'ar, etc) > Is there some collective phrase the Mystaran elves refer to themselves as a > race? If I recall correctly, the term Elas was created by Jennifer Favia Guerra, who also made up quite a few interesting elven names for several of the already existing clans. There is no offical name for elves other than the english one, but if we need one, I vote for Elas. The distinction between a subrace and a clan is a blurry one. Shadow elves, Aquatic elves, Ee`ar and surface elves, are the four clear subraces. Alfheim elves, Callarii, Vyalia, Shiye, and Sylvan are major cultures of surface elves. Like David said, Isvatu are unofficial and I dont know anything about them. H�vard Haavard Faanes http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:47:19 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Dragon Magazine Archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, I just bought The Dragon Magazine Archive CD-rom. It was nice having all those Dragonmags, especially the complete Princess Ark series, but I found the program itself hard to use, especially to read, and it also wouldnt let me print the pages for some reason. Ive decided to copy the entire Princess Ark series to a Word file and print it, so I can pretend it was published by TSR :) :) H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:52:17 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Love and Marriage among Gnomes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, I�m writing an article on gnomes, and I realized that there is very little hard fact material on these crettins. Top Balista basically only has rules info which is not what I was interested in. Using the cyclopedia, I also discovered that mystaran gnomes are about 1� taller than their D&D 3E counterparts. Anyway, do gnomes fall in love? Do they marry and have kids? In this respect I think gnomes should be very different from their counterparts, the dwarve. Dwarves are described as a very unromantic and practical lot when it comes to finding a partner, and 40% of all dwarves are too preoccupied with work to have time for such nonsense according to The Dwarves of Rockhome. Also, if anyone has written anything else on Gnome culture, i�d be interested in seeing it. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:55:48 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: DJ Sahlas's message of "Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:22:10 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DJ Sahlas writes: > Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole > "Harry Potter" thing? It's not just you, but it _does_ seem to be just people who haven't read the books. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 67 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes, 40 seconds till we run away. You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:16:43 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Dragon Magazine Archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit same problem I had with the browser provided by Dragon, plus it takes a lot of space in your hard disk drive... i ignored it and i just read the PDF files with Acrobat; with them I can print, copy, paste and all the standard options. It's faster and the page layout turn out better. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:10:43 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes Havard wrote: >Anyway, do gnomes fall in love? Do they marry and have kids? In this >respect I think gnomes should be very different from their counterparts, >the dwarve. I think so, too. IMC gnomes are far more outgoing and personable overall than dwarves. In larger cities (IMC), you see them pushing carts about, selling their wares (gnomish ethnic cuisine - banged grains, and sausage-on-a-stick, anyone?), trinkets, jewellery (cheap stuff, high-quality gnomish jewellery can be found in "proper" shops), and widgets/gizmos that they claim will solve your problems, but don't seem to work that well. Gnomish shops are, of course, the hardest to break into - all that craftiness turned towards protecting the safe (if anyone has safes, I imagine gnomes ought to), or otherwise ensuring their possessions and wares are not lifted by some dodgy fellow - something the PC thief in my group is about to find out.... Geoff PS - Any ideas for vicious gnomish devices to trap or otherwise maul a thief? -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:19:30 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Rickards Subject: Re: Gnome traps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >PS - Any ideas for vicious gnomish devices to trap or otherwise maul a >thief? In human cities, gnomes may have a special type of safe-room. This safe room would only be about 4'x4'x4', and the door would only be about 3'x 2' (it is so wide so that they could get the safes in). There would be a variety of safes in this room, but none larger than 3' tall or 18 inches deep. The safes are arranged haphazardly and seemingly randomly. Most are trapped in the garden variety way, poison clouds, poison needles, blades etc etc. But a couple are trapped in unique ways, these are as follows: 1 A safe that will not have any traps when checked but when opened releases a cloud of greenish gas.... This safe in fact was filled with the gas, and since there is nothing else in the safe the proprietor never opens it. 2 A safe with a very complicated set of looks that when opened reveals a very bored and angry gnome/halfling/cayma/pixie Skeleton/mummy/vampire/lich.... This was a neat safe the craftsman got cheap, and has just not been able to open yet, he was not even aware that something was being held in it....Lucky theif, by the way a human theif probably will not like fighting in a 4'x4'x'4 crowded room. 3 A safe with a small hole that looks like it is used to drop money in (a deposit safe) that instead houses the gnomes venomous snake collection (and now startled venomous snake collection.) 4 A safe with four tumblers and four holes to stick your fingers in to turn the tumblers. The catch is only three of the tumblers work, the last hole is a sort of chinese handcuff that constricts if you try to pull your finger out. The only way to remove your finger is to lift the 300lb safe up and pull your finger down (did I mention this was a 4'x4'x4' room "Hey ma, why does that man have a 300lb safe attached to his finger." ... oh yeah the gnome keeps all of his coins and gems in his pillow anyway. Dylan R _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:01:30 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves In-Reply-To: <003b01c016c0$bbc8ba00$8b39abd0@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, George Hrabovsky wrote: > Is your assertion that a butterfly and an octopus should be seen as > being part of the same race even though they share the same origin? ? I suggest you reread. I said that though they have the same origin, they are distict "races". This does _not_ imply your assumption. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:45:07 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 13:52 09/05/2000 +0200, H=E5vard wrote: >Hi, >I=B4m writing an article on gnomes, and I realized that there is very= little >hard fact material on these crettins. "Cretins?" Better watch out, or you'll find an explosive pineapple placed under your bed via a loose floorboard .. >Top Balista basically only has rules >info which is not what I was interested in. Check out Highforge in Karameikos. >Anyway, do gnomes fall in love? Do they marry and have kids? In this >respect I think gnomes should be very different from their counterparts, >the dwarve. Why are they counterparts? Do all short bearded people look alike to you, man? You better not talk that way in Highforge or Serraine, man, or you'll get knee-capped quick-like. >Also, if anyone has written anything else on Gnome culture, i=B4d be >interested in seeing it. I'm actually slowly adding detail to the Highforge gnomes for my Karameikos campaign, although the only Serraine gnome I've used is posing as a Highforge gnome. All I can add to that group is what his leather flight jacket looks like. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:42:14 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <20000905090622.C30030@esatclear.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:06 09/05/2000 +0100, Gordon McCormick wrote: >While discussing the evilness of Dolores Hillsbury, my players >came up with the idea that she was doing something nasty with >Unicorns. Quite what they're not sure, but are convinced it involves >drugs of some sort, and wierd sexual magics. The Crack Unicorns >are now very much a part of the campaign :) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You know, Dolores has really grown on me. I'd love to see what sort of evil unicorn stuff you come up with. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:52:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, SteelAngel wrote: > On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, George Hrabovsky wrote: > > > Is your assertion that a butterfly and an octopus should be seen as > > being part of the same race even though they share the same origin? > I suggest you reread. I said that though they have the same origin, they > are distict "races". > > This does _not_ imply your assumption. Still, im quite unclear what youre trying to say here, Ethan. Are you arguing that Elves and Shadow Elves should be treated as separately as Dwarves and Humans? H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:00:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: UNdead and aging MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > OK joking, obviously an Immortal will win against any mortal, but the fact > is that an Immortal cannot use his Manifestation form on the Prime without > fear of repercussions, so he'll end up using a MOrtal ID, which is MORTAL > and easier to beat (cannot use Power Points and Power spells, only those of > the mortal form, which is also vulnerable to mortal magic). > Oh come on! Nipping in and doing a little bit of butchery is all the rage, the only person to have been punished lately was Hel. Unfair call too IMNSHO considering what she did was empower others to do her dirtywork, rather than actually directly interfere herself like so many others have. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:59:51 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Rickards Subject: Religion on La Costa Roja Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am going to do a work-up on all of the Churches (Religions) on La Costa Roja (SC), and I was looking to see if any one had any ideas for me, I am looking for NPC's and more ideas for the City States, Herath, the Lizard-Kin, and well actually everthing. I am also looking for questions that I should be asking while I do this. I do have a tenative schedule (or rather order) for this: Thyatis ..... Yeah, I know, but it serves as the basis for the Baronies Narvaez The Verdan Baronies (the Sea Powers) Torreon The Enlightened States Cimarron and Guadalante The City States Robrenn/Eusdria Renardy Bellyane The Lizard-Kin Herath The Walleras Help, please. Dylan R. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:19:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > PS - Any ideas for vicious gnomish devices to trap or otherwise maul a thief? > A non-trap trap based on size could be affixed around a wall safe. In order to open the panel the safe is behind you have to press on four pressure pads two on the floor and one on either side of it. However anyone of larger than gnome height gets brained by the panel as it rises up and out, since the top springs free and moves not the bottom. The faster this happens the more damage. Remember this isn't a trap just how the panel opens so finding it is well nigh impossible. I actually used this in an adventure BTW, all the doors opened like this in the area, and I even asked the PC to show me how he was standing. The complaints of but we checked for traps from the thief and cleric were quashed when the other PCs chorused "All the doors here open that way!". An immediate XP award was issued of course! ;^) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:50:09 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, [iso-8859-1] H=E5vard wrote: > Anyway, do gnomes fall in love? Do they marry and have kids? In this > respect I think gnomes should be very different from their counterparts, > the dwarve.=20 Ack! Dwarves and Gnomes are different as the day is long, my friend. I would expect gnomes to have the same kind of relationships as most other PC races - but a Mystaran gnome's first love is invention and tinkering. But they are NOT as obsessive as Dwarves. Like the absent minded professor, they know all about love, but they sometimes get a bit carried away fighting off gremlins :)=20 But this is all IMHO.=20 Ethan - Gnomes are my favorite class :)=20 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:01:38 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: Clerical magic thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i like your ideas, especially the flavor of recieving gifts, like your example of spritual weapon. I would use lots of role playing elements to introduce new gifts, including spontaneous casting that might not even be the players idea (for example, a fully "charged" cheric of a god of protection and luck might decide (compel) to have his servant cast detect traps as he is about to go down a trapped hall that might concievably result in his immediate death: EXAMPLE: DM:You suddenly feel a presence, an other worldly power, guiding your steps. As your muscles balk, a calming voice echoes in your thoughts "Do you have faith, Malthus, do you believe . . . ?" Before you know it you have walked the length of the hall, skirting the right wall the whole way. Player: Praise be to Halav, another miracle! [the player has used a spell slot, and now knows how to call out for the immortal to guide his steps from danger in the future] As for different cleric lists, well if you use this methode of "gaining" spells/prayers/invocations, then no two clerics would be the same if they haven't had the same experiences. A local priest may have several spells for healing, curing diseases, predicting and altering weather, to help his flock, but never yet has had to bless a weapon. Yet as the frost giants attack in the middle of winter, he might suddenly gain it to his list, along with protection from evil and flame strike (if powerful enough)as the dire situation demands. That isn't to say that stories/scripture of past saints/holy men and women/ favorites of Ixion, etc wouldn't recount some of these other clerics miraculous adventures/powers. In fact I would think that each novitiate would have learned some "Common Prayers" like "Wards against the Demonic Agents", "Prayer for the Sick" "The hymn for blessing the soldiers of the faith" etc. and these could form a foundation of his "spell list", but in new situations, he might just have to ask for the Immortals aid, and as his ship is sinking in the sea of dread, the DM interprets this to be Water Breathing for him and his companions, or maybe Control Weather so the storm passes, or summons some dolphins to drag them half-drowned to a desert shore. ii would require some good role-play from the cleric player and a little more bookkeeping for you, but might make the cleric's magic more memorable for all the players. BoBoII ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:29:45 +0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Solmyr Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beau Yarbrough wrote: > > Welcome to my world. I've pretty much given up on seeing WotI or > "Champions of Mystara" at a reasonable price/condition on eBay. And let's > not even mention the gazetteers I want (Glantri, Rockhome) ... > Gee, and here I was feeling sorry for myself because I'm missing the Alfheim and Minrothad gazetteers, while having all the other ones, the Cyclopedia, CoM, WotI, HW, and DotE. I'm still feeling sorry for myself. I want the elf gazetteers! *pout*stomp*whine* I guess people will be booing at me now :) -- ****************** Aleksei Andrievski aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star solmyr@kolumbus.fi http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:32:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:30:54 Beau Yarbrough wrote: >At 00:11 9/5/00 -0700, Deirdre M. Brooks wrote: > >>> Welcome to my world. I've pretty much given up on seeing WotI or >>> "Champions of Mystara" at a reasonable price/condition on eBay. And let's >>> not even mention the gazetteers I want (Glantri, Rockhome) ... >> >>I bet some of these SCUM are on THIS VERY LIST. > > Mystara-lovin' bastards. > LOL :) Kyle: "Oh my God - they outbid Deirdre!!!" Stan: "The bastards..." As far as "Mystara-lovin' bastards" are concerned, I guess I'm one of them. Sorry! ;) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:03:03 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:29:45 Solmyr wrote: >Beau Yarbrough wrote: >> >> Welcome to my world. I've pretty much given up on seeing WotI or >> "Champions of Mystara" at a reasonable price/condition on eBay. And let's >> not even mention the gazetteers I want (Glantri, Rockhome) ... >> >Gee, and here I was feeling sorry for myself because I'm missing the >Alfheim and Minrothad gazetteers, while having all the other ones, the >Cyclopedia, CoM, WotI, HW, and DotE. > >I'm still feeling sorry for myself. I want the elf gazetteers! >*pout*stomp*whine* > >I guess people will be booing at me now :) > Why would we? I recently got the Alfheim gaz myself, and it's *sweeeeet*, so I can well understand why you want it :) (Sorry - my bad!) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:21:52 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Gyerians and Sis'thiks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you know of these two races (from the Mystara MC Appendix)? Where do they live in Mystara? Were they present in any OD&D module? Have any of you made some use of one of them? Thanks in advance, -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:42:20 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Re: Gyerians and Sis'thiks In-Reply-To: <39B57200.1758CF7C@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 21:21 09/05/2000 +0000, Agathokles wrote: >What do you know of these two races (from the Mystara MC Appendix)? >Where do they live in Mystara? I believe they're Savage Coast critters and you can find references to them in the two Red Steel boxed sets. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:20:02 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: Gyerians and Sis'thiks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agathokles wrote: > What do you know of these two races (from the Mystara MC Appendix)? > Where do they live in Mystara? > Were they present in any OD&D module? > Have any of you made some use of one of them? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > > Giampaolo Agosta > > agathokles@libero.it > agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. I don't think Sis'thiks can be found outside monster compendiums, although at least one person mentioned using them somewhere in Davania. Gyerians appear in CM5 Mystery of the Snow Pearls, and the novel Son of Dawn. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:14:15 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: Religion on La Costa Roja MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many of the countries you mentioned were covered at least briefly in the Dragon magazine articles. Try the CD collection. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:57:25 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes In-Reply-To: ; from edeneau@ANTARES.PHYS.CLEMSON.EDU on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:50:09PM -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:50:09PM -0400, SteelAngel wrote: > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, [iso-8859-1] H�vard wrote: > > > Anyway, do gnomes fall in love? Do they marry and have kids? In this > > respect I think gnomes should be very different from their counterparts, > > the dwarve. > > Ack! Dwarves and Gnomes are different as the day is long, my friend. > I would expect gnomes to have the same kind of relationships as most other > PC races - but a Mystaran gnome's first love is invention and tinkering. > But they are NOT as obsessive as Dwarves. Like the absent minded > professor, they know all about love, but they sometimes get a bit carried > away fighting off gremlins :) One of my PCs is playing a gnome, and was recently married. The way I have previously described gnomish romance was a bolt from the blue. One fine day, they realise that the fine lads or lasses around them are different to them, and oh so nice. Marriage generally follows in short order, at which point things fairly much rerturn to normal - svae that they now have a partner in their inventing. -- knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were plowing a field, what you glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two strong oxen or 1,024 http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | chickens? - Seymour Cray on parallel | processing ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:11:45 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Gyerians and Sis'thiks In-Reply-To: <39B57200.1758CF7C@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:21 PM 9/5/00 +0000, you wrote: >What do you know of these two races (from the Mystara MC Appendix)? >Where do they live in Mystara? >Were they present in any OD&D module? >Have any of you made some use of one of them? Gyerians were introduced in module CM(3?4?) Mystery of the Snow Pearls. They live in villages named Gyer, but the module wasn't placed in any particular location on Mystara. Myself, I placed it close to the Sylvan Realm (module CM7: Tree of Life). Sis'thiks first appeared in the Creature Catalog. No other appearances, but I placed them in the Aryptian Desert, and that seems to be a common location to place these guys. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:25:18 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Shaun Muncy Subject: Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone come up with technological devices, systems for inventions, or Classes dealing with technology for D&D? I'm considering a 3e Champaign centered in Mystara and it revolves around Glantri explorers in an area with some Technology (nothing higher than the RL 1800's). Another question: Can a plant grow in an Illusion of sunlight? "Chaos rules, so I'm in charge." - Arkon, Dark Lord of Chaos; Ruler of the Lost City; Kobold Tactician; Keeper of the Mystic Sock. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:57:02 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DJ Sahlas Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole >> "Harry Potter" thing? > >It's not just you, but it _does_ seem to be just people who haven't >read the books. Alright already, alright already - sheesh! (No I haven't read the books). Guess that answers my question! Hmm, what was the first one called? Jim/recalcitrant chastized old-timer/Sahlas ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:41:02 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Technology In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Shaun Muncy wrote: > Has anyone come up with technological devices, systems for inventions, or > Classes dealing with technology for D&D? I'm considering a 3e Champaign > centered in Mystara and it revolves around Glantri explorers in an area with > some Technology (nothing higher than the RL 1800's). Your campaign idea sounds very cool. If you can get your hands on Space 1889, that RPG has a great system for 1800s type invetions. I think the game is about to be republished. Both Dwarves and Gnomes of Mystara have dabbled with technology for years. Top Balista, and the Dwarves of Rockhome might be worth picking up too, even if there arent going to be too many dwarves around in Glantri. > Another question: Can a plant grow in an Illusion of sunlight? I would say no. Though the plant would probably believe that it was real sunlight and stretch towards the illusion and slowly wither and die all the same. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:56:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone come up with technological devices, systems for inventions, or > Classes dealing with technology for D&D? I'm considering a 3e Champaign > centered in Mystara and it revolves around Glantri explorers in an area with > some Technology (nothing higher than the RL 1800's). There is an accessory published by TSR for OD&D/AD&D called (AC11) The Book of Wondrous Inventions. Inside you'll find technological/magical devices for all of TSRs campaign worlds, Mystara included. Some particularly fine Mystara inventions included the famed Dragonfly of Doom from Gaz 3 fame, Jagger's Transforming Gargantoid (which he pinched from the Aphatians Stalker!!! :}) the closest thing you'll get to a D&D battlemech, and of course Kruze's Magnificent Missile - the Five Shires first strike capability (nice one for you there Beau!! :}). As for how to create technological devices. I've not come across anything referring to it, except for of course, for what is mentioned in the Fantasy Physics general skill in Top Ballista. IMC if a character with Fantasy Physics (which I've limited to gnomes and Skarrad Clan Dwarves) wants to create a technological item, I will actually have them draw up blueprints and talk me through them. The bigger, noisier, and more pointless it is, the more chance its got to succeed (which base chance is the characters fanasy physics roll, with penalties/bonuses depending on their design, number of flaws etc.). Once they've got the "science" right, they've still got to construct the device which is done on a successful Engineering roll. This has generally worked for me so far, but should you not be looking for something that simple, perhaps you could modify the magical creation formula found in the Rules Cyclopedia, and also in the back of the Book of Wondrous Inventions. :) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:17:28 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Organization: *.* Subject: Re: Religion on La Costa Roja MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dylan Rickards ha scritto: > I am going to do a work-up on all of the Churches (Religions) on La Costa > Roja (SC), and I was looking to see if any one had any ideas for me, I am > looking for NPC's and more ideas for the City States, Herath, the > Lizard-Kin, and well actually everthing. > > I am also looking for questions that I should be asking while I do this. > > I do have a tenative schedule (or rather order) for this: > > Thyatis ..... Yeah, I know, but it serves as the basis for the Baronies There are two works on the Church of Thyatis. One is by the Almanac of last year and can be found in the Miscellanea section of MA 1016. The other is a transfer of the ancient Roman religion to Mystara by myself and can be found at Stan's somewhere- but if I remember correctly, not under religion. By the way, Stan: why? (if I am wrong, just write me some Alphatianlike offense, or tell the Stalker to do so.) 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:19:24 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Organization: *.* Subject: Re: Gyerians and Sis'thiks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agathokles ha scritto: > What do you know of these two races (from the Mystara MC Appendix)? Ah, I see that you are studying with attention my book...well, if I pass my Tuesday exam I will come and take it back at the end of the month...he he he he...8-) By the way, I suppose they are found somewhere in a module. So we must first find the module from which they come. Any clue? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:51:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <01c017b6$83dd9ec0$ddb6a8c6@dsahla.mcgill.ca>; from dsahla@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:57:02PM -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:57:02PM -0400, DJ Sahlas wrote: > >> Hey, is it just me, or is anybody else totally sickened with this whole > >> "Harry Potter" thing? > > > >It's not just you, but it _does_ seem to be just people who haven't > >read the books. > > > Alright already, alright already - sheesh! > (No I haven't read the books). > Guess that answers my question! > > Hmm, what was the first one called? :) The order is: Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone [I've seen this as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" sometimes, dunno why...] Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Now go read and enjoy :) gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:08:25 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Technology -an idea! In-Reply-To: <000c01c017e0$68c30ba0$8831893e@philjones> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Started thinking about this and came up with an idea for designing rules for inventions according to the 3E rules: It seems to me that inventions should be made in the same mannerr as magical items are created. Ie. a new feat: Invention! XP cost for inventing new items should be calculated the same way as XP for misc magical items. Details on this is hard to make up before I get my hands on the DMG, but a general idea would be to compare the effects of magical items and the effect of the invention. The DM should reserve his right to say "Thats impossible", but lets keep physics out of this shall we? :) Anyone should be able to spend XP on inventions, but the engineering skill is required to take Invention as a Feat. Whaddaya think? H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:51:35 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Lord Deldain Subject: Re: Technology -an idea! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/00 4:20:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO writes: << It seems to me that inventions should be made in the same mannerr as magical items are created. Ie. a new feat: Invention! >> Hmm, I think the XP cost might be a little much. I can see why it would be used with magic items, but should a technological items bare such as hefty cost? I otherwise favor the idea of handling like the Magic Item feats, and might have to incorporate it into what I'm working on. I've been tinkering with a system for creating new technology using feats for one of my homemade settings, but I really wanted to wait for the DMG, to see if there was anything useful about technology in it, before implementing it. One of the ideas I had was an set of 'Invention' feats which worked similar to Tracking. What it would allow you to do is use Craft and Knowledge skills to create new devices such as firearms. The prerequisites being + 3 ranks in both those above mentioned skills, as well as an Intelligence of 13+ Also I thought about creating a Use Device skill which would allow characters to operate complex devices, and would kind of go along with the Disable Device skill. - Deldain ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:43:01 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alan Shutko Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: Gordon McCormick's message of "Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:51:54 +0100" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gordon McCormick writes: > Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone > [I've seen this as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" sometimes, > dunno why...] We in the US are too stupid to associate a Philosopher's Stone with anything, so they changed it for us. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! 66 days, 2 hours, 52 minutes, 30 seconds till we run away. **FLASH** Energizer bunny arrested, charged with battery ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:00:32 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: ; from ats@ACM.ORG on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:43:01AM -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 08:43:01AM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote: > Gordon McCormick writes: > > > Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone > > [I've seen this as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" sometimes, > > dunno why...] > > We in the US are too stupid to associate a Philosopher's Stone with > anything, so they changed it for us. That's OK, we in Europe are too stupid to be able to spell Philosopher :) Ahem. gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:04:52 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Technology In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 PM 9/5/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Another question: Can a plant grow in an Illusion of sunlight? I'd say no, since an Illusion relies upon perception for its effectiveness, and plants don't "perceive" in quite the same ways as normal people... or you could just argue that Illusion spells don't work quite the same way on plants (no nervous system per se), which has the same effective result. In either case, I'd say "no." ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:12:23 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Technology -an idea! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, [iso-8859-1] H=E5vard wrote: > Anyone should be able to spend XP on inventions, but the engineering skil= l > is required to take Invention as a Feat. For technomancy, I require a certain number of levels in technomagical engineering, and magical physics.=20 For gnomish invention as per "top ballista", it requires fantasy physics and magical engineering.=20 Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:55:21 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Gyerians and Sis'thiks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At 21:21 09/05/2000 +0000, Agathokles wrote: >What do you know of these two races (from the Mystara MC Appendix)? >Where do they live in Mystara? I've placed some Sis'thiks in the Serpent Desert (in the Hollow World near Nithia). It just seems fitting somehow. I wrote an adventure for the Tome of Mystara (Issue #3) that contains them, although IIRC I only make a small reference to them there. I've also been thinking about including them in the Exiled Carnifex Kingdoms that I am working out for a SpellJammer campaign. The premise is that the MystaraSphere has quite a drift in the phlogiston. The drift is so bad that most of the time the sphere has little to no contact with the rainbow flow, but every few millenia it drifts back into contact with it. One of these rare occurances happened around 17,000BC when the Carnifex were driven off of Mystara. A few of those that managed to escape imprisonment were able to leave MystaraSpace and find and colonize new Crystal Spheres. Since then they have been looking for their old home world (but because of the sphere's drift they have never been able to find it). Another occurance happened around 3000BC (during the GRoF), and yup - you guessed it - some Blackmoorians managed to evade their final destruction. They fought with the immortals who pursued them (intent on irradicating the dangerous Blackmoorians) and because their power was so great the ensuing war destroyed sever crystal spheres (now the Shattered Spheres). Now the remnants of Blackmoor fight a constant war for survival with their Carnifex neighbors. MystaraSphere drifted close to the phlow yet again around 1500BC, and thus the Nithians were able to establish several colony worlds (some of them even free of entropic interference) before MystaraSphere drifted off again and they lost contact with their home world. A long response to a simple question (and most of it irrelevant I guess), but there you have it. John ===== Rule #46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:17:23 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Technology -an idea! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Lord Deldain wrote: > In a message dated 9/6/00 4:20:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO > writes: > > << It seems to me that inventions should be made in the same mannerr as > magical items are created. Ie. a new feat: Invention! >> > > Hmm, I think the XP cost might be a little much. I can see why it would be > used with magic items, but should a technological items bare such as hefty > cost? I otherwise favor the idea of handling like the Magic Item feats, and > might have to incorporate it into what I'm working on. I would only require XP cost if the creator is inventing the item. If he is working from blueprints made by other inventors, an engineering skill check should be sufficient (materials must still be payed for obviously). This seems to me to be not only logical, but it also helps maintaining game balance as it limits the number of wonderous inventions around. Each of them should be pretty much unique. H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:30:32 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter In-Reply-To: <20000906115154.K32179@esatclear.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:51 09/06/2000 +0100, Gordon McCormick wrote: >The order is: > >Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone >[I've seen this as "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" sometimes, > dunno why...] That's the British title. Apparently, we Americans are too stupid to know what a "Philosopher" is. (I'm assuming most of the target audience wouldn't know what the philosopher's stone is either way.) >Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets >Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban >Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire > >Now go read and enjoy :) Yeah! BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:37:39 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Deirdre M. Brooks" Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Shutko wrote: > > We in the US are too stupid to associate a Philosopher's Stone with > anything, so they changed it for us. Sadly, this strikes me as a self-fulfilling prophecy. :-/ -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "Atlantic City is Oz envisioned by used car salesmen and pimps." http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | --Rick Glumsky, Celtic Filth ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:06:54 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SteelAngel wrote >> > I think Ordana created the elves of Mystara, as the guardians of the > forests (in essence, of herself), correct? Exactly. But there really is no connection between Shadow Elves, Sea Elves, Land Elves and Air Elves. They all came from the same place, but they are distinct "races". << I'm a little confused by this statement. I'll agree that "land", "air" and "sea" elves are quite different. After all "air" elves have wings, and "sea" elves have gills. However, I'm not sure that I would say that there is no connection between them. The way I understand it is that all of these distinct "sub-species" of elves descended from the same ancestral stock. How they evolved is irrelevant to this discussion (whether by natural or magical means, or by immortal intervention). The fact that they are different now is undisputed. However I would say that they all have some connection to one another. Perhaps this is what you meant, but the above sentence is a little confusing. With regards to Shadow Elves however, I think this argument falls apart. Shadow elves should be considered to be the same species as any other land elf. They can all interbreed. I suppose that this discussion depends upon one's deffinition of the word "race". Let's say that I have a Fenswick heritage, while my wife has an Azcan heritiage. Although there are some obvious differences between us, we are both still part of the human "race". I think that the same applies to Shadow elves, Alfheimers, Shiye, Aquarendi, and so on... All have different cultural heritages, and for many there are distinguishing features, but they are all still elves, plain and simple. Having said that, I think that at one time the "sea" elves were just plain elves, as were the Ee'ar. Just a couple of weeks ago we had a discussion on this list about Shadow elf "evolution". It does seem that the elven race has a real propensity for speciation (through whatever means - most probably magical in nature). So at some point in the future (near or far) the Shadow elves might become something other than just plain elves...but that time has not come around yet. Hmmm... I kind of like that idea. I wonder what the Shadow elves would evolve into, if given enough time spent underground, in the shadows, and in the presence of the radiance... I think I might just have to find out... Time to break out that Wand of the Chronomancer.. ===== Rule #46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:45:17 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Gyerians and Sis'thiks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Caroletti wrote: > > Ah, I see that you are studying with attention my book... Of course! And I can't stand seeing a Mystaran creature without a strong connection to the campaign world, so the question of their origin arise! An then who knows... will we ever see "Campaign Classics: Gyerians of Mystara"? :) Anyway, thanks to all those who aswered! > well, if I pass my Tuesday exam I will come > and take it back at the end of the month...he he he he...8-) Ok. BTW, should any other Mystarans happen to be in Milan by the end of the month, we would be glad to meet them, isn'it? -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:33:03 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the game Arcanum, there are some ideas. Magic User Scrolls would be schematics to a Tinkerer. With these schematics, and a success roll, one could build devices. However, these require many material components, which are sometimes rather pricy, and has a high chance of failure. There was a Tinkerer class in some Dragon Lance material. Also, in Arcanum, there are several fields of studies for technology, much like the different schools of magic. regards, Joaquin PS1 - No a plant cannot grow with an illusion of sunlight. There is enough magic produced to fool the human eye, but there are many spectrums of sunlight not produced by the illusion which the human eye cannot see. These energies are not produced by the illusion spell. The spell would have to be very powerful to produce the full spectrum of light generated by the Sun. PS2 - Interestingly, if this is indeed the case, then intelligent plant creatures could see through illusions!!! --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:25:18 Shaun Muncy wrote: >Has anyone come up with technological devices, systems for inventions, or >Classes dealing with technology for D&D? I'm considering a 3e Champaign >centered in Mystara and it revolves around Glantri explorers in an area with >some Technology (nothing higher than the RL 1800's). > >Another question: Can a plant grow in an Illusion of sunlight? > >"Chaos rules, so I'm in charge." > > - Arkon, Dark Lord of Chaos; Ruler of the Lost City; Kobold Tactician; >Keeper of the Mystic Sock. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:39:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >I guess people will be booing at me now :) > > > > Why would we? I recently got the Alfheim gaz myself, and it's *sweeeeet*, so I can well understand why you want it :) > hey i got them all when they first came out, but i keep telling people don't get them through auction. if you are patient you will generally get them cheap enough through the likes of titan games and other such sites, and won't have to worry about being outbid. a lot less annoying . mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:38:25 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Sickened of Harry Potter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somtimes I get really cheap things on E-Bay, but most of the time things are expensive. I payed like $40 to $50 for B10. Then viola one day at a con, I picked one up for $6. I will see if I can sell it to recooperate from the $40 ot $50 that I have spent. The one GAZ that is missing for me is Minrothad Guilds. For some reason this is the hottest item. I managed to get GAZ5 cheap enough though (under $20). :-) ciao, Joaquin --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:39:18 jason o'brien wrote: >> > >> >I guess people will be booing at me now :) >> > >> >> Why would we? I recently got the Alfheim gaz myself, and it's *sweeeeet*, >so I can well understand why you want it :) >> >hey i got them all when they first came out, but i keep telling people don't >get them through auction. if you are patient you will generally get them >cheap enough through the likes of titan games and other such sites, and >won't have to worry about being outbid. a lot less annoying . > >mortus. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:02:45 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: 'Generic' Mystara Elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2000-09-05 5:59:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO writes: > Still, im quite unclear what youre trying to say here, Ethan. > Are you arguing that Elves and Shadow Elves should be treated as > separately as Dwarves and Humans? I am not sure of Ethan's response, but mine would be that they should be treated as separately as Glantrians and Ylari. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:02:44 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2000-09-05 7:53:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO writes: > Anyway, do gnomes fall in love? Do they marry and have kids? In this > respect I think gnomes should be very different from their counterparts, > the dwarve. Dwarves are described as a very unromantic and practical lot > when it comes to finding a partner, and 40% of all dwarves are too > preoccupied with work to have time for such nonsense according to The > Dwarves of Rockhome. > =20 > Also, if anyone has written anything else on Gnome culture, i=B4d be > interested in seeing it. It is definitely not canonical, but I once ran a campaign where Dwarves and Gnomes dealt with a sexual imbalance (more males than females) in very different ways. The Dwarves had a lot of bachelors, whereas the Gnomes took the more pragmatic approach of polyandry (allowing their women to take more than one husband). In that campaign a female Gnome NPC with no arcane talent accompanied the player characters on an adventure that was wildly successful -- not only did they earn a lot of experience and come back with great wealth, but Prince Etienne rewarded each of them with a Wish. The female Gnome wished for=20 magical talent (which allowed her to multi-class as a 1st level Wizard) and used her new wealth as a dowry to propose marriage to a couple of=20 male gnomes who had caught her eye.... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:00:52 CEST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Prices for modules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed I believe you people should sometimes rely more on shops and not only on eBay (which is often good, though: I recently got both DotE and WotI for 20$ each, in two different shops online; as for traditional shops, there are modules or even rules sets going for as low as 2.50$ here in Italy. You still find B10 shrinkwrapped for 14$... well, that's my advice: don't forget to check also traditional game shops in your nearbys, and internet shops too; a very extensive list of online shops can be found on Herv�'s Mystara FAQs: the latest version is online at http://dnd.starflung.com Best wishes! Federico _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:54:48 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: Technology In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Darth Darknerd wrote: > In the game Arcanum, there are some ideas. Magic User Scrolls would > be schematics to a Tinkerer. With these schematics, and a success > roll, one could build devices. However, these require many material > components, which are sometimes rather pricy, and has a high chance of > failure. This is a cool idea. > There was a Tinkerer class in some Dragon Lance material. The AD&D 1st Ed Dragonlance book had some interesting rules for inventions, aswell as the Tinker class for gnomes. I never quite figured how those rules worked though. Must have been written bt the Tinker gnomes. > Also, in Arcanum, there are several fields of studies for technology, > much like the different schools of magic. Do you have any ideas how such fields should be divided? Electicity, Mechanics, etc? H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "Would it not be easier in this case for the government to dissolve the people and elect another?" -Bertolt Brecht ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:10:22 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Lord Deldain Subject: Re: Technology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/7/00 8:02:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hoc@NVG.NTNU.NO=20 writes: << Do you have any ideas how such fields should be divided? Electicity, Mechanics, etc? >> If you mean how they're divided in Arcanum, then yes. They are divided as=20 follows:=20 Chemistry - This Discipline deals with man-made substances and their effect=20 on the senses. An example of this is hallucinite, a substance that causes=20 enemies to see things that aren't really there=E2=80=A6=20 Electrical - This Discipline deals with harnessing the power of charge and=20 magnetism. Those well-versed in this discipline can create all kinds of=20 gadgets, a magic detector, for example.=20 Explosives - This Discipline involves blowing things up! Imagine all the coo= l=20 fireworks=E2=80=A6 A true master will use his knowledge in a more sophistica= ted way=20 than just blowing things up. A good example of this is the stun grenade,=20 which can be used to knock out foes without killing them.=20 Gun-Smithing - What can be more fun than making your own guns?!? Imagine=20 building your own elephant gun=E2=80=A6=20 Herbology - This Discipline is concerned with herbs, and how they affect the= =20 body.=20 Mechanical - This Discipline deals with the physical properties of materials= .=20 Smithy - If you value your life, you need armour. This Discipline can be use= d=20 to make some.=20 Therapeutics - This Discipline deals with augmenting the body by using=20 man-made substances=E2=80=A6 making it faster, stronger, etc=E2=80=A6=20 Or at least that's how they're listed on one of the various Arcanum sites=20 (http://www.terra-arcanum.com/)=20 - Deldain=20 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:15:33 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Deirdre M. Brooks" Subject: Re: Prices for modules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Federico Kaftal wrote: > > I believe you people should sometimes rely more on shops and not only on > eBay (which is often good, though: I recently got both DotE and WotI for 20$ > each, in two different shops online; Unsupported assumption: I do routinely check local shops for products I want/need. This is why I have a copy of Alfheim (for example). The local shops, sadly, do not have copies of the books I want. The books I want are available on Ebay, so as a *last* resort... -- Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "Atlantic City is Oz envisioned by used car salesmen and pimps." http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | --Rick Glumsky, Celtic Filth ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:53:44 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: [mystara3E] Shadow Elves and Drow (was Those crazy Mystaran warriors....) Comments: To: mystara3E@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't like using the term DROW as I consider this campaign specific to Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms. However, GAZ7 Northern Reaches uses the term DARK ELVES, which I consider more appropriate for Mystara. With that being said, I think that there needs to be an important distinction made for Infravision. For earlier versions of AD&D and oD&D, Infravision was indeed a form of Heat Vision, where an individual can see heat patterns. This shifted in philosophy subtlety over time, most notably in the A&D2 PHB in the description of "Hide in Shadows" for the Thief class. Here they imply that Infravision is indeed some form of low-light vision that allows one to see slightly better in the dark. This premise is used in D&D3E. For Shadow elves, I think that they should have the same sort of vision as all elves as they are indeed from the same race. To diverge from this would discount all knowledge of evolution as we know it, or perhaps make Shadow elves a different race altogether. Perhaps those that wish to extend the Shadow Elves vision could use this arguement: All elves, i.e. elves from the same race as those in Alfheim, have an extended low-light vision. However, on the surface this is not developed so much, but deep in the forests, or underground, this vision is developed more acutely. For Dark Elves, I would describe their power to see in the dark as something supernatural. These elves can see perfectly in darkness as other elves see in light. What is darkness to a dark elf is light to an Alfheim Elf or Shadow Elf. Thus a spell, Darkness 15', Radius would never blind a Dark Elf, but a Light spell would certainly blind a Dark Elf. >In a message dated 2000-09-05 12:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >spymaster@planetfortress.com writes: > >> Ack! The D-word! >> >> I doubt we'd need to snatch abilities from _them_. Maybe to see how the >> sunlight penalties would work, or the low-loght vision would work, but >> anything else, we should defer to the Gaz. > >Those were pretty much the abilities I was thinking of snatching, as they >seem to be equally true of Shadow Elves and Drow -- although if anything >the Shadowl Elves are worse in these two categories, because under the >old rules their infravision did not extend as far (90' vs. 120') and they had >a worse reaction to sunlight (getting sick and dying as opposed to just >squinting a lot and getting a bad sunburn). My guess is that the Monster >Manual entry on Drow will give us what we need in those areas, if it isn't >covered in the DMG. > >The only other thing these two races seem to share in common is a bad >reputation among other Elves. > >BTW, has anyone noticed -- it is now less than a week before we can >all get copies of the 3E DMG in our hands! HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:00:00 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Mystaran Dark Elf Perspective (long) Comments: To: mystara3E@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dark Elves of Mystara by Joaquin Menchaca (Darknerd) On Mystara, most have not heard of the Dark Elves. The very Elves themselves do not even remember the existence of Dark Elves, except through the through mythology and legends. The Shadow Elves also do not know of the Dark Elves except through the very same mythology and legends. Though unbeknownst to many, some Shadow Elves have had contact with the Dark Elves. There are some clues referencing the Dark Elves from ancient Moulder Dwarven and Gnomish writtings. But this is very obscure. The Norse legends tell of Svaralfheim, but this is believed to be only of legends. The gnomes know all to well of dark elves. Though even to them, their existence is a shroud of mystery. Whole communities of gnomes have disappeared. There is no evidence left behind of any attacker. The gnomes blame this on the legendary enemy, but there is no hard evidence to prove their claims. The Dark Elves live deep below the ground under Alphatia and the Isle of Dawn. The have a large and expansive kingdom. The Dark Elves remain hidden to all races, and there is no real physical way to reach their domain. The Dark Elves use special powers to transverse back and forth between the surface world and other subterranean areas through special powers of the mind. All dark elves have inherent mental abilities. They can communicate through telepathy with one another. They can enter and exit portals that are triggered by the Dark Elven powers of the mind. Once on the surface world, the dark elves can use their abilities to be invisible to everyone except other dark elves. This is not a bending of light, but rather a mental affect, where people sub-consciously ignore the dark elf as if s/he does not exist. Another power they have is to take the form of another person. They can infiltrate societies using this technique. If the dark elf does not role-play the new role well, then some might have suspicion (allowing a saving throw). Many dark elves might have the mental abilities beyond the basic abilities shared by all, and thus can adapt to adverse situations, like when their cover is blown. The Dark Elves understand a history that reaches farther back than that of the Blackmoor era. They were there in the beginning when they were able to manipulate reality with exacting precision. During the time of the fey, they were always ignored and shunned. Perhaps it is because the dark elves preferred to communicate full understanding through the mind, where the other fey communicated through song. In the darkness and shadow, the dark elves existed. They were never considered diabolical or evil. They were just never the preferred as they communicated and practiced their art in different manner. They became the ignored and invisible race. As reality formed, and most of the fey escaped into the dreams of man, the dark elves were left stranded in reality. They could not forge reality any longer. They now found themselves very much mortal. The dark elves secluded themselves in the subterranean world and created their own reality, half real, and half illusion. The illusion did not matter, because after all, we live in a world of our own illusions. Some dark elves were not content with remaining in a isolated pseudo-reality. They wanted more. They sought out more and journeyed to the surface world. There they saw the marvels of civilization; they saw aliens from beyond the void; they saw Immortals using Mystara as their playing ground; and they witnessed some mortals achieve Immortality. They wondered how one can achieve immortality, and they thus experimented. They wanted to know how they can achieve their immortality once again. They wanted to transcend from their trapped physically forms. They wanted to roam the multi-verse and forge a reality for themselves which is as real as Mystara. Thus they began their experiments. They tried to discover the essence of time, energy, matter, and thought. They wanted to unravel the secrets, so that they too can harness these energies and achieve their immortality as a sentient race. Many of their experiments involved thought, namely human thought and emotion. They did several experiments, but as their passion to achieve immortality increased, so did the ambition of their experiments. Some experiments were quite hideous. They abducted entire populations, sometimes civilizations, and engaged in experiments. The whole reality of the test subjects would remain unchanged. They subjects would not noticed that they have been relocated or that they were indeed in some grand experiment. Sometimes, they would shuffle the roles and identity of the subjects. The memory and very identity would be shifted and altered as part of their grand experiment. Some human captives have been known to acquire the alien logic of dark elves. In doing this, the human subject will most likely become insane, but a rare few somehow acquire mental abilities of the dark elves. When this happens, the human can enter and leave the subterranean dark world of the dark elves. One problem though is that the human will always remain invisible to non-dark elves. They can never touch, love, or talk to another human. Often these people would become the bums of streets in society where everyone simply ignores them as being a rambling deranged beggar. To remove this ability or curse, a dark elf, or a human possessing mental abilities, must do a mindwhipe of all memories of his stay in the dark elven realms. This will remove the subjects understanding of the alien logic, and thus remove all acquired abilities. (Note: Pscionists might be immune to the curse of being invisible. GM's discretion) More powerful dark elves are able to control and manipulate the minds of all known races with exception of one race: gnomes. They discovered in their dealings with dwarves, that gnomes seem immune or resistant to the natural dark elven abilities. They captured gnomes and did experiments. Somehow the gnomes can see through the dark elven's mental illusions and mental charming and manipulation affects. From this point, the gnomes were perceived as a threat, and the dark elves have indeed been purging Mystara of all traces of gnomes. Though in some cases, the gnomes have perished due to natural causes, but this is still blamed on the dark elves. The Dark Elves are very scientific. They do not understand nor relate to the emotions and moralities of lesser races. This would cause many races to consider Dark Elves as being evil, if they only knew the Dark Elves existed. The Dark Elves do not see other races, with exception of fey (elves, sprites, dryad, nymphs, etc.) as being equals. They have little disregard for them beyond that of a laboratory animal. They would treat other races like scientists treat laboratory rats. If the tests become contaminated, or the experiment is over, all test subjects are exterminated. They would not have a conflict with morality or conscious, as these creatures (other sentient races) are not considered sentient beyond that of an animal. There are a few Dark Elves, that have realized that humans have feelings and intelligent thought as well in the equivalent spectrum of Dark Elves. Though, they may support the experiments, they do not wish the test subjects to be destroyed. Some even feel that experiments that causes physical pain should not be allowed, though the majority opinion disagrees, as the results of the experiments are so vitally important for the eventual goal of transcendence. HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:02:06 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Prices for modules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sames goes for me. I have looked at several shops around the area, but around here, SF BAY AREA these books are scarce at best. As a last resort, I need to go to E-Bay to get the books I need. I was running an adventure, and I lost a map in B10: Night's Dark Terror. I had to buy the book at around $45 to $50. This really sucked. C'est la vie! Joaquin --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:15:33 Deirdre M. Brooks wrote: >Federico Kaftal wrote: >> >> I believe you people should sometimes rely more on shops and not only on >> eBay (which is often good, though: I recently got both DotE and WotI for 20$ >> each, in two different shops online; > >Unsupported assumption: I do routinely check local shops for products I >want/need. This is why I have a copy of Alfheim (for example). > >The local shops, sadly, do not have copies of the books I want. The >books I want are available on Ebay, so as a *last* resort... > >-- >Deird'Re M. Brooks | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 >Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG >"Atlantic City is Oz envisioned by used car salesmen and pimps." > http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | --Rick Glumsky, Celtic Filth > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:06:54 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Organization: *.* Subject: Re: Prices for modules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This has nothing to do with the matter. I just want to share how glad I am for having found today B2 and X12. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:55:26 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Catherine Keene Subject: Hex maps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How long does it take a character to travel through 3 hexes of hills, and 2 of woodland? Does anyone remember where the travel times for using the maps that come in the Gazetteers (8 miles per hex)? Does anyone have a txt version of a table that would make the calculations easy? Catherine Keene Ardelphia@aol.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:58:31 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Prices for modules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess that countries where D&D had a late distribution are lucky; here in Spain I could get some of the not-too-old material in the years 98-99 for ridicully low prices, like DotE for $9 or HW for $6, and the whole HWA series for $18, all shrinkwrapped... And for www shops, yes, patience pays, I got some of the GAZ series (3, 6, 8 and 10) for $5 each, very fine condition. I find that most D&D material gets overvalued in auctions, mostly because we tend to bid "outta pride of not losing"; I got GAZ5 for $20 and X11 for $19, quite reasonable, but I lost my nerves for GAZ 9 (the only one I was missing) and I ended up paying around 30 bucks. By the way, what do people in the list think of the acaeum website???? they list most GAZ and D&D modules as not very rare (1 or 2 in a scale of 5) Andres ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:11:30 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Darth Darknerd Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Prices for modules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wooo, Woooo.. X12. Say, isn't that the Shadowlord one?!? That one is just simply awesome. There is a lot of fun with that one. Wait I think that was X10? Oh well, I cannot keep track of what number goes with what title any longer. --- How many boards, can the Ethengars hoard, if the Ethengar horde got bored? On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:06:54 Caroletti wrote: >This has nothing to do with the matter. I just want to share how glad I am for having >found today B2 and X12. > >Iulius Sergius Scaevola >Captain of the XXth Cohort >Port Lucinius, Thyatis > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:45:05 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Gillen Subject: Re: Love and Marriage among Gnomes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/00 1:12:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kaviyd@AOL.COM writes: << It is definitely not canonical, but I once ran a campaign where Dwarves and Gnomes dealt with a sexual imbalance (more males than females) in very different ways. The Dwarves had a lot of bachelors, whereas the Gnomes took the more pragmatic approach of polyandry (allowing their women to take more than one husband). >> According to the complete book of gnomes and halflings, gnomes actually have the same amount of men as women. Not to mention the fact that, according to the book, gnomes marry for life after simple that short weddings that allow the two gnomes to 'get to know each other' (a quote...). According to the book of dwarves, dwarves were 66% male and 33% female (exactly, making that remaining one percent a....?). And that only 30% of the population marry...but they have large families. According to the books, gnomes are weirdly romantic, like festivals, big noses. However, the prime requisite isn't love, it's a deep friendship (although, if they were to fall in love I assume they would marry them, I guess...) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:54:39 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Gillen Subject: Re: Prices for modules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I usually buy out of real stores, my advice (probably only works in the US) is old toy stores, partically KB, for ridiculously low prices. It may take some looking, but they're there. Here are all the things I got (not just mystara) Forbidden Lore $2 Champions of Mystara $3 Red Steel $4 Red Steel: Baronies of whatever $3 The Gazetteer for Thyatis and Alphatia $4 Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure $5 Glantri Kingdom of Magic $7 Hollow World (free, I got that and Night of the Vampire for free 'cause the salesman felt it was useless) Hail the Heroes $8 Priests Character set (A black box with dice, a little pamphlet, diecast models, and character sheets, not to mention an AD&D pencil ;-) $5 Fighter Character Set $5 Spelljammer: The Spelljammer Ship stuff $3 Spelljammer: War Captain's Compendium $3 They also had t o n s of darksun stuff (didn't buy it) and some other Gazetteers (but I was out of money), Now though, I wish I begged for money to get them but c'est la vie (French people please don't kill me.) The last one I got two months ago in a store in upstate New York that still had all the stuff, the one near me is sold out. Tres sad. So if you are an American, you can try it. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:25:41 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Gault Subject: Return of Immortals In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know how many of you lurk around Eric Noah's 3rd Edition News site and the associated message boards, but I think you'll be interested in this little tidbit posted by someone named Gargoyle: >I can't sleep, so I've decided to retype the handout I got from >Jonathan Tweet at the GenCon High Level Campaigns >seminar for you all. The gist of the rules they're working on is >below. One additional thing was that they mentioned Peter >Atkinson runs a high level game featuring ascendence into >godhood, and lots of divine intervention, and that dealing with >deities and becoming demi-gods or gods was something that >would definitely be in the book. A great idea from OD&D resurrected for 3E. Dylan G ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:04:44 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Return of Immortals In-Reply-To: <20000908022322.FXRZ29984.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@oemcomp uter> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 22:25 9/7/00 -0400, Dylan Gault wrote: >I don't know how many of you lurk around Eric Noah's 3rd Edition >News site and the associated message boards, but I think you'll be >interested in this little tidbit posted by someone named Gargoyle: > >>I can't sleep, so I've decided to retype the handout I got from >>Jonathan Tweet at the GenCon High Level Campaigns >>seminar for you all. The gist of the rules they're working on is >>below. One additional thing was that they mentioned Peter >>Atkinson runs a high level game featuring ascendence into >>godhood, and lots of divine intervention, and that dealing with >>deities and becoming demi-gods or gods was something that >>would definitely be in the book. > >A great idea from OD&D resurrected for 3E. No, a great idea from AD&D fleshed out by OD&D and integrated into 3E. "Dieties & Demigods" predates the Immortal box by several years. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:01:37 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Return of Immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What rules (or even suggestions) did Deities and Demigods have (he said quickly looking at his own battered copy of it) for PCs to become god-like? It briefly mentions that such an ascendency is possible, that is all. To suggest that this is where the Immortals boxed-set is born is a little like claiming credit for delivering a baby by giving someone the suggestion of going to a hospital:-) George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beau Yarbrough" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Return of Immortals > At 22:25 9/7/00 -0400, Dylan Gault wrote: > >I don't know how many of you lurk around Eric Noah's 3rd Edition > >News site and the associated message boards, but I think you'll be > >interested in this little tidbit posted by someone named Gargoyle: > > > >>I can't sleep, so I've decided to retype the handout I got from > >>Jonathan Tweet at the GenCon High Level Campaigns > >>seminar for you all. The gist of the rules they're working on is > >>below. One additional thing was that they mentioned Peter > >>Atkinson runs a high level game featuring ascendence into > >>godhood, and lots of divine intervention, and that dealing with > >>deities and becoming demi-gods or gods was something that > >>would definitely be in the book. > > > >A great idea from OD&D resurrected for 3E. > > No, a great idea from AD&D fleshed out by OD&D and integrated into 3E. > "Dieties & Demigods" predates the Immortal box by several years. > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:28:32 EDT Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Magister Mystaros Subject: Re: Return of Immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/7/00 10:19:24 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lby3@LBY3.COM writes: << No, a great idea from AD&D fleshed out by OD&D and integrated into 3E. "Dieties & Demigods" predates the Immortal box by several years. BEAU >> Actually, more likely than not the rules will be a variant on the "Primal Order" rules that Wizards of the Coast first published before they published Magic. Primal Order was about ascendence to deity level, how to develop such characters, run campaigns and so forth. It was an okay system but not great because it tried to be generic, and thus was not terribly system specific. However, adapted fully to D&D it could be quite good... and would, in fact, resemble something like the old Immortal rules, with power groups like the current "Domains". James A. Mishler Magister Mystaros Mystara Lives! Check out the excellent Official Mystara Website: http://dnd.starflung.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:27:14 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Return of Immortals In-Reply-To: <7d.a12a4aa.26e9d300@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:28 AM 9/8/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Actually, more likely than not the rules will be a variant on the "Primal >Order" rules that Wizards of the Coast first published before they published >Magic. Primal Order was about ascendence to deity level, how to develop such >characters, run campaigns and so forth. It was an okay system but not great >because it tried to be generic, and thus was not terribly system specific. >However, adapted fully to D&D it could be quite good... and would, in fact, >resemble something like the old Immortal rules, with power groups like the >current "Domains". Heck, the current system of Domains would work quite well in integrating both the "stroke" rules from WotI and the "Portfolios" of AD&D as far as determining levels of power- the strokes would result from losing a portfolio (in this case, a domain or subdivision of a domain) to another Immortal power, and result in a corresponding PP loss (and gain on the part of the other Immortal power). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.