========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:57:23 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Derek Adam Subject: Re: Daunting World/ Favourite Nation In-Reply-To: <3A2680E4.45AA6DB2@tin.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:31 PM 11/30/00 +0100, you wrote: > > Now, the Karimari are a setting that some might look at with > admiration, as an example of good people leading good lives doing nice > things in harmony with nature, blah blah - but I'm not sure there's a > single vote for it as anyone's favorite place (I'm open to being > corrected on this) in Mystara > >Correct. No vote for Karimari. But only 80 persons on this list have >voted, so... >VOTE! E-mail me personally. I have collected votes for 10 months, now, so if >you have already voted, and do not want to change the vote, don't e-mail >me. If >you don't remember, ask me. So...VOTE, come on, everybody! Wait...maybe >somebody sent their votes through normal mail...8-) > >Iulius Sergius Scaevola >Captain et al Spoken like a true Republican! So, will you be running for Senate, Captain, now that the Emperor has dispatched Helenites Osteropolus? =;) -Auld Skald ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:05:13 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Derek Adam Subject: Re: Stefan of the Storm Soldiers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:00 PM 11/30/00 -0500, you wrote: > >> Actually, Ludwig is not 100% Hattian. His mother was Bretonia > Korrigan, daughter of Celia Kerendas. Thus Ludwig has at least Kerendan > and possibly also Thyatian ancestry in him. << > > >> Exactly. Otherwise Stefan wouldn't be related to him. << > >Just to make a completely worthless pedantic remark, actually Stefan could >be related to Ludwig and Ludwig be 100% Hattian, if Stefan's mother was >Hattian, and Ludwig's mother or father's sister. Or whatever. Good point. I had assumed that Stefan was some strict combination of Thyatian and Kerendan. If he's not, then ... what you said. Cheers, Derek ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:19:42 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Derek Adam Subject: Re: Daunting World II In-Reply-To: <000f01c05bfa$edf85380$6232140a@jdaly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:58 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wizards Shopper" > > > This need to always get the last word to > > justify your view is really tiresome. > >I realize you also complimented him in your post, and your comments were not >entirely a flame. However, its a bit hypocritical to make a post accusing >someone of trying to get the last word. Seriously. Think about it. Ah-ha! Guilty as charged! (Man, the irony is killing me! LOL !! ) Still, the point stands. It's tiresome. =;-) -Auld Skald "Self mockery is the best kind." -- Derek Adam, 2000 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 04:43:26 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: Conquerers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Evil Genius >> That's possible, though unlikely. If the Alphatians wanted to conquer the whole world, they could have done so long ago, long before the Thyatians even came to Brun. << >Nope; because before there was the Thyatians, there were the Nithians - the Alphatians couldn't conquer them. Once the Nithians were gone, they started advancing again, until they met resistance. There was a period between Nithia's fall and Thyatis's rise where there was a power vacuum in southesastern Brun. The Alphatians could have taken advantage of it; they didn't. >But I know you guys always deny Alphatia is conquering, even while having them expand in Norwold, etc. So whatever. Norwold isn't part of the "Known World" that Thyatis is protecting from the Alphatians. >> Well actually I don't see any difference between what Stefan or the HKs do, and what the Thyatians do: in all cases they force Thyatian culture, ideas, and way of life onto others. << >I guess that's why the culture of the Ochaleans & Pearl Islanders is indistinguishable from that of the Thyatian mainland. 8-)~ They did force some elements on their cultures on those too, like the much heralded Citizenship. Anyway, yes the Thyatians did that a bit everywhere, including in Alphatia on the Isle of Dawn. Not to mention Traladara, Heldann, Glantri, Darokin, Hinterlands, ... >> They conquered it, and "leech[ed] the nation's wealth away", << >Since you put that in quotes, I assume you're quoting it from some "canon" publication describing what the Thyatians were doing in Traladara. Please let me know where you found it PWA1, atlas entry for Karameikos. I took the PWA from the same author as Gaz1, DotE and WotI, just in case a Thyatian apologist would be tempted to call that a Dupuisian Heresy. >> which though not especially dark isn't so nice either as the Traladarans didn't ask to be conquered and taxed. The Thyatians conquered Traladara and sent governors to maintain order and collect taxes, and then sent Stefan with a clear title to rule the land as he saw fit, first taking by force the land then giving it to one of their own - how nice. << >See, I never claimed the Thyatians were in it out of Lawful Good altruism, like some have claimed regarding Stefan (interesting: the same people who see Stefan as ligitimate in Karameikos, see the Thyatians as illigitimately there - but Stefan derives whatever ligitimacy he may have from the appointment by the Thyatians. My point, if you've been paying attention, is he isn't legitimate). He's as legitimate or illegitimate as the Thyatians, since he's one of them and mandated by them. In regards to the Traladarans, anyway. >I never claimed the Thyatians were pure. Now, they didn't appoint evil cousins or land-stealing persons (and, contrary to your claim, they didn't appoint any corrupt Senators or governors, either. Here's a real quote, rather than a made up one "Trade went on, the wealthy families of Specularuam retained their properties*, and there were no oppressive cruelty or taxation to spark rebellion." >*Unlike when Stefan came, and folks didn't retain what they owned, because he unleashed many ruthless men upon them). Agreed. Though IMO the folks who lost lands in favor of the Thyatian were former nobility (like the Marilenevs) and other wealthy families and landowners, not peasants. The men Stefan empowered were second or third sons of noble families unlikely to inherit their family's domains, and I doubt such people would be interested in picking up farmer tools and toil the soil. >Moving back up: >> I was just using some people's arguments about Stefan (how he "conquered" Traladara and brought it civilization, with some deaths as a result) and applied it to Thyatis to show how stupid that was. << >Actually, it doesn't really show that it's stupid. People who hold that view of Stefan's actions (assuming they concentrate primarily upon his "conquest"-type stuff) likely hold the same opinion of Thyatians when they do that sort of thing (the oddly hippocritical thing is that people who look at such behavior as bad when done by Thyatians often look at it as being just fine when the same thing is done by Stefan.) Possibly. It is a modern view on colonial empires; certainly a few centuries (or even decades) ago it was generally viewed as a good thing. Though in the case at hand, it was the reverse: what was done by Stefan was seen as bad, while what was done by the Thyatians was good (and yet, Stefan is a Thyatian - Stefan't colonization is actually a Thyatian colonization). >My point, which I made before you posted your remarks, was that (for game purposes at least), I don't see war and conquest as in and of itself evil (I even used the Alphatians as an example, saying that their conquests isn't a primary reason for viewing them as evil - it is their larger behavior patterns); I wouldn't say its good, either (thus my other point, also made in an earlier post, about whether these same people - including, perhaps, the setting's writers - who are arguing Stefan is good for Traladara, bringing civilization, roads, and cities, and portraying all the local leaders as criminals - view the Thyatian invasion of the Hinterlands the same way, the backwards natives living in dark savagery needing an outside force to bring enlightenment, proper administration and government, and road & city building to them. Yes, that is generally the view of colonial powers: they bring light to backwards people (civilization, trade, religion, medicine, ...). And oppose local rulers by labeling them as evil men who prefer to keep their people in the dark so they can retain their sway over them. >Further remarks on this same quote: >> I was just using some people's arguments about Stefan (how he "conquered" Traladara and brought it civilization, with some deaths as a result) and applied it to Thyatis to show how stupid that was. << >If I may say so myself, and since you were the one who introduced the word stupid first I feel it will be justified, IMO your post was stupid, in the sense that it concentrated on only one aspect of people's arguments about Stefan (no one at all that I know of has argued that Stefan is evil *only* for "conquering" the locals, I.E. supressing their rulers. That's been *one* aspect of a larger argument); you treated that as all that Jenn, for example, had to say on the subject, and that's stupid and distortive of her position. Right, but that's a fundamental element used in a Stefan is evil approach. In a medieval setting, the common people (peasants) are used to being governed by whoever is in power, and it isn't doesn't matter. Rulers change, life remains the same; life changes only for the elites. This is what happened in Traladara when Thyatis conquered it, and even more so when Stefan became duke. So, some people lost power and lands and wealth (and their lives, sometimes), but those were mostly the ruling families (the Marilenevs, Radus, Torenescus, and such). For the Traladaran common people, not much change (with the exception of Halag). >Rob had some pithy things to say on war & conquest in a game context, which he put rather well, without distorting what people were arguing. See my reply to his post for my opinion. Yes. >> with that argument I could demonstrate that all Americans are (or rather, are descended from) evil people. << >Well, many Europeans (forgetting their own history) do just that. But I'm sure you oppose them vigorously when they do. 8-) Indeed. And despite our modern view on how cultures shouldn't be crushed by so-called civilized countries, we (Europeans, Americans, and others as well) continue to do it. >> I might add that I could also demonstrate with the same flawed logic that everyone who is for death penalty is lawful evil (it's upholding the law and public order no matter how many people are wrongly killed) or that being pro-NRA is being chaotic evil (personal defense and justice rather than institutional ones, many innocent people get killed). << >And, again, many people make such arguments. >But, again, I'm sure you oppose them vigorously when they do. 8-) Well, as you know I agree the above are wrong approaches to problems, and are indeed LE and CE, but I don't say that sharing those views makes someone LE or CE. Tends to, but is not sufficient. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:48:04 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Of Leaving Members and Personal Attacks In-Reply-To: <3A26B43C.CB084999@tin.it>; from scarole@TIN.IT on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:10:36PM +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:10:36PM +0100, Caroletti wrote: > Gordon McCormick wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 05:52:35PM +0100, Caroletti wrote: > > > People take themselves too seriously. > > > This is a stupid campaign world of a stupid game. > > > > Succinctly put! > > > > gordon [SNIP!] > [sickening sickling on the keyboard, while listening to Beethoven's "Ode > to Joy"] Not so succinctly put! :) Hey, does that mail qualify for even more irrelevant that mine? :) gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:20:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Of Leaving Members and Personal Attacks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SteelAngel wrote: > [snip] > > Hmm. I wonder what they are doing to the troops nowadays. Clones and evil > laughing used to be the purveyance of respectable evil glantrian warlocks, > not common Thyatian soldiers! ^_^ > > Ethan You better stop thinking that only wizards are able to scheme. Intellectual racism!!! We must put an end to the common belief Fighter=Stupid, Military=More Stupid. 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:24:42 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Daunting World/ Favourite Nation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Auld Skald said: "Spoken like a true Republican! So, will you be running for Senate, Captain, now that the Emperor has dispatched Helenites Osteropolus? =;)" What do you mean by "true Republican"? I didn't understand the joke...sorry. On the other hand, I don't think I want to run for the Senatorial seat. I would have to run from Lucinius to Thyatis, and it's far too much for me to go. 8-) BTW, this is the sort of paradoxal conversation that I enjoy on the list. Sometime it's funny to look upon those Karameikans and Alphatian dudes without thinking of them as meat to be chopped by our axes and swords. 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:42:46 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Bye. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What happened? You are the man whose msgs I've got here saved. One of the few I cosnider Mystaran Gods. Maybe I''ve been ot for too long. Or I'm naive... I just don't get it. Please tell me. vini. Beau Yarbrough wrote: > > This list has turned into a strokejob for the ego of several of its > participants, and I'm through. Whatever value this list had has vanished in > the last few weeks. I'm unsubscribing. > I wish all the best on most everyone here. I'll see you around some other > climes, perhaps. > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:43:49 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Bye. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I told this to him in private. Hope he comes back. Do you have an idea what he was talking about? vini. SteelAngel wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Beau Yarbrough wrote: > > > This list has turned into a strokejob for the ego of several of its > > participants, and I'm through. Whatever value this list had has vanished in > > the last few weeks. I'm unsubscribing. > > I wish all the best on most everyone here. I'll see you around some other > > climes, perhaps. > > No beau! Don't leave! > > You're one of the finest contributors to this list, at least IMHO. The > fact that we Mystarans have canon issues is not a reason to give it all > up! > > Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:49:47 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Bye. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do you realize every time you post a msg is issued to you saying you were succesful? And that every now and then you realize the 265 turned to 263 and 262 and 260 and 259... What is going on? I admit I don't read all threads so I must've missed the fights you're talking about. About the dying breed, yeah, it is a perfect statement. vini. H�vard wrote: > > It is a sad thing when good listmembers are forced to leave > this list because of the flamatory attitudes developing here recently. > I have been avoiding most of the threads of this type, so I'm not about to > distribute blame for what happened. > > But clearly, it is time to reconsider hasty remarks and think about what > types of discussions that are beneficial to this list. > > Mystarans are a dying breed. We cannot afford to lose any. > > H�vard. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:02:13 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Ogre, netiquette. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geoff Gander wrote: > > Thib wrote: > > >PS: maybe it would be time for the Ogre to step in.... > > I was monitoring the whole Karameikos/Stefan discussion for the past > couple of weeks, and there were a couple of times when I was _almost_ > ready to step in, but the parties to the discussions apologised, clarified > their arguments, so I thought about the matter, and decided to take a > chance and let the participants police themselves. On the whole, we seem > to work well on these sort of things. Most of the time. > > While I am happy that the whole matter was conducted in a quite mature > matter, I think it appropriate to remind everyone that: > > 1. Profane language of any sort is not tolerated. Ever. What is "Profane language"? > 2. Insults to one's intelligence or other attributes, and generally being > a complete and utter pain in the gluteus maximus when conducting > discussions, is not tolerated either. Only disucssions, not judgements are interesting. Yuo who LOVE showing the way YUO beahva, what YOU think and why YUO are right... remember what me own Sage - AKA father - says: "Any phrase starting with the word 'I' is potentially a not- interesting one." Os something like that. There is no Stefan. AHHHHH!!! You have stolen my dreams! Now tell me Santa does not, either! There is vini's SK, Beau's SK, Jenny's SK. Even canon SK. I told you. No matter what you say, Bargle is flying over K on his Phantasmal Steed and has got troll skin. Period. If you want to tell me this is stupid,just skip this word: say: "I got a better idea", "I think this is not suitable". Offending a person is the BEST way for him to NEVEr change his mind. Then you LOST the discussion. Duh! > 3. Should you be the recipient of such language, or feel that you are being > "goaded" into responding, I would ask you to refrain from doing so. Not > only does it needlessly perpetuate flame wars (or start them), it makes > the participants look stupid. I'm sure none of us want to appear so in > front of our peers.... But we can say inf front of everybody "I don't like X's language and don't think I'll tolerate it for long!", can't we? > If you feel you absolutely *must* respond to an insult, do it over private > email. Not here. A plane to Europe or US is not THAT expensive if a butt is to be kicked. > I don't want to keep track of "offenders", and eject them, because I respect > everyone here too much to do so, but if the interests of the MML come under > fire, if everyone's enjoyment of the topics is diminished, then perhaps I > should consider it. > > I hope I make myself clear. Not at all. Kick some butt. Give them the yello card (soccer language). Whoever they are (I dunno, serious). vini. > Geoff > > -- > Geoff Gander, BA 97 > Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon > Carnifex Loremaster > au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:08:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Inner Circle Gaz: 2) Kingdom of Einikushagi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit EINIKUSHAGI Area: 26,580 kmq Population: 142,600 (70% rakastas, 25% humans, 5% orcs) Government Type: Monarchy. The King is advised by a Council, formed by 4 nobles ( 3 rakastas, 1 human), plus a representant chosen by the Corporation of Shimura. The Ondonti orcs of the Enclave of Kygwa elect a sixth member of the Council. However, the King is not bound to follow the advices of the Council, and is moreover leader of the Army, and head of the church. Important Figures: King Murhan, VII Lord of Kushugi Description: Einikushagi is a very rich kingdom at the center of Nentsun�s Inner Circle. It occupies a small area but is heavily populated due to its optimal climate. Nearly all its land is fields and villages, with only a couple of big cities. The land is settled mainly by rakastas, with a small minority of humans; nearly all of them live in the city of Shimura (pop. 30,000), a city with special status, ruled by the Corporation of the Arts. Anyone who wants to live and work in Shimura must be a member of the Corporation, who decides the hours of work for each job, the salaries, the vacations, and takes care of any activity of their members, being it recreation, religious activities, or medical services. The rakastas live sparse in the land, raising cattle and cultivating wheat, corn, and several species of fruct trees (mostly apples and pears). The capital of the kingdom is Kushugi (pop. 16,000), a rakastan city where strangers are watched with suspicion. The past kings of Einikushagi have always been very close-minded regarding strangers, and the population is more than a little paranoid given the fact that Kushugi is near to four different national borders. The city was built here by King Loer II in 746, after the kingdom returned in the rakastas� possession [see History], in order to control better any possible invasion by a foreign nation. However, Einikushagi is all flat land, and is not defendable at all, so Kushugi is equipped to resist any attempt of siege for months, and can host another 10,000 rakastas from the surroundings in case of emergency. Einikushagi is one of the kingdoms who doesn�t have access to the sea. Last but not least, there is Kygwa, the orcish Enclave. Some of the Green Orcs that arrived with Hjika in 731 had decided to settle down and was not killed when the rakastas returned to the land: they were given some land, enough for their susteinment, and they still live there peacefully. Now they call themselves Ondonti. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:21:35 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jeff Daly Subject: Re: Bye. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Psst! That's not a personal reply. From your other messages, I was pretty sure you meant to send this as a private reply. This got sent to the whole list and is probably not a useful discussion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Bye. > What happened? > You are the man whose msgs I've got here saved. One of the few I > cosnider Mystaran Gods. > > Maybe I''ve been ot for too long. Or I'm naive... I just don't get it. > > Please tell me. > vini. > > Beau Yarbrough wrote: > > > > This list has turned into a strokejob for the ego of several of its > > participants, and I'm through. Whatever value this list had has vanished in > > the last few weeks. I'm unsubscribing. > > I wish all the best on most everyone here. I'll see you around some other > > climes, perhaps. > > > > BEAU > > http://www.LBY3.com/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:23:29 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Oops, free-falling! IMPORTANT! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 249 members (I said 265... 259 before). 249!!!!!!!!!!! Time to wake up. Be rude. Not rude. Stif. Well, it makes sense in Portuguese. Time to do something for the survival of all of us. And call people who quit (all that 15, 20 people). vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:04:53 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jeff Daly Subject: Re: Ogre, netiquette. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What is "Profane language"? > Marked by contempt or irreverence for what is sacred: profane words. Nonreligious in subject matter, form, or use; secular: sacred and profane music. Not admitted into a body of secret knowledge or ritual; uninitiated. Vulgar; coarse. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:58:55 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jenni wrote: >> *Sigh* I guess Rob is right, that the area mentioned in the following is a "Dead Duck" for adventure ideas if no one else on the MML has any ideas they're willing to toss out for consideration. I would like to say thanks to both Phillip and Timothy for the suggestions they made -- they were definitely in the right realm and, as always, I've found myself thinking of ways to clip out the parts I like and combine them with other ideas. << It does seem that these areas are a bit more difficult to develop adventures for than some other areas. I'll give you a quick glimpse of what I'm working on for Atraughin. I'm not sure how useful it will be to you, but you might be able to pull an idea or two from it. The other night I saw a PBS program on Choko (sp) valley. Anyway, it was about those pueblo cliff dwellings. The theory was that the 'dwellings' were not really dwellings at all. They couldn't find any evidence that people actually lived in them. What they did find was that the complex of buildings was a vast Solar-Lunar calendar. Now my idea was to create a complex of this sort on the Atraughin plateau. The calendar is tied into the sun, as well as both of the moons. The ancients used this device for several mundane applications - being able to tell when to plant crops, etc... as well as for timing peak magical moments. Perhaps certain magical effects happen in the complex on certain days of the year...at least for those who know the secrets. The second part of this idea is that there is a secret society/societies inside of the clans that hold and protect these secrets throughout the ages. Sort of like the Atraughin equivalent of the Free Masons. The society uses the complex in order to fulfill some long range plan/prophecy (see point three below). Perhaps an offshoot of this society is using the complex to further their own nefarious goals. Point three (because I'm such a sucker for Mystaran ancient history) is that these types of complexes can be found all over Mystara, seemingly created by several distinct cultures all at the same time. Perhaps some exist under the ocean in the lands of ancient Taymora. Some Pyramid complexes might also be examples of these types of calendar devices, both in Ylaraum and Thothia. All fo these complexes have something in similar because they were all created under the instructions of Blackmoorian survivors (or the descendents of survivors). By solving the riddle of the complexes, the PCs will be able to unearth an ancient message left to them by the Blackmoorians. Perhaps something to do with handling the radiance... or to not handle it. Ok, sorry to be so sketchy, but as yet my ideas have not been worked out anywhere else. Just some quick thoughts. Hope they help. John ===== Rule #46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:49:34 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jennifer Guerra Subject: My final thoughts on the Karameikos thread (slightly OT) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I for one found it enlightening, not only regarding the topic itself (which I always enjoy immensely), but in regards to the various arguments presented during the course of the thread. There were quite a few posts on the subject, and I tried my best to answer all that pertained to me. However, there were a few at the end which I couldn't get to because of the nature of my schedule during the week. I was saving them for today, but since then it has become apparent that the topic is no longer desired on the list, for various reasons. So I'm going to just let it die. If you're one of those persons to whom I owed a reply, I apologize - it's not my intention to "ignore" you. I will be more than happy to continue the discussion in private, though please bear in mind that I have very limited time to do so. I thought that perhaps things had lightened up a bit here in my absence, and that an open discussion about a very relevant Mystaran topic would be appreciated, and respected. I was apparently wrong in both regards. Between those few people who wish to stifle any "non-canon" related opinions and those who wanted people to "simply" shut up on the matter to the point of being rude or even leaving the list entirely, I'm beginning to question why I came back in the first place. I missed Mystara. I did not miss "Mystarapolitik." For what it's worth, that's why I'm letting it go, at least for now. I'm just too busy and too tired to continue to rail against the wind. Jenn -- Valerya's Mystaran Dominion: http://www.geocities.com/valerya1/ Tome of Mystara e-Zine: http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:02:12 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jennifer Guerra Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC 0)] In-Reply-To: <200011281851.NAA16789@freenet10.carleton.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bravo, Geoff! I really enjoyed this extraordinarily well-detailed Gazetteer. I have not yet been able to go over everything in detail, but I did read t over, and was extremely impressed! I've always had a hard time picturing ways to make Cyndicea more interesting and lively, and in bringing her people and history to life. You've done this with great ease and mastery. I particularly liked the detailed descriptions of the factions, and their motivations. You've managed to flesh these out to the point that they're no longer just paper cut-out "sides" to a conflict, but rather groups with complex reasons for their actions. I loved the Cyndicean History, with the tie-ins to the OBs. :-) And the campaign ideas make a lot of sense, having the PCs encounter Cyndicea and her people at various times throughtout their careers, with long-term goals in mind, rather than just plowing through the module in on, long "crawl." In sum, an excellent piece of work, of immense value to the Mystaran community. Congratulations! Jenn ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:42:31 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: My final thoughts on the Karameikos thread (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jennifer Guerra wrote: > I missed Mystara. I did not miss "Mystarapolitik." This is the best word for it. The constant bickering and world breaking, no wonder we're a dying breed. Fortunately, and unfortunately, Mystara was created by multiple authors over 20 years, and wasn't initially designed to be a coherent game world - just a set of loosely linked module-adventures. Even after it came into it's own with the Gazetteers, it still was really loosely linked. Mystara didn't have an overweening egoist like Ed Greenwood to hold it all together, like the Realms, or a whole unending pile of books like Dragonlance, or even a common theme, like the other minor worlds (Dark Sun, Al-Quadim, Kara-Tur). Mystara is all of that, and more. Unrealistically crammed into a tiny little area of a itty-bitty world, we have Romans south of Arabs south of Dwarves, south of Vikings, south of Naziesque Holy Roman Empire freaks. It's bad enough we got the short end of the stick in not having a nice clean world-vision. Not only is Mystaran Canon badly connected, it's filled with more fantasy puns and bad jokes than a Piers Anthony novel, Take Irendi for example ^_^. And we have people taking this seriously! Who knew? It's worse than the fundamentalists in terms of literality. Mystaran canon is not the Bible, or the Quar'an, or the Wiccan Rede. It's not some holy thing. But it is respectable. Thousands of pages is nothing to scoff at. There may be some kinks, but it's nothing to be bent out of shape about. There are differences of interpretation to be had. Could Stephan be so kind hearted as to be blind to Ludwig? Or maybe they are playing "Good Cop/Bad Cop"? Who knows? The game designers clearly needed a villain, and they made a rationalization for his existence. No need to pull out the big guns. I don't want people to give up and leave. Heck, after a while I just deleted any message with "Stephan" "Karameikos" or related in the topic. No skin off my back. It's no reason to start packing. We need people here. Oh well. I'm probably just shouting to the wind again. If people wouldn't get so bent out of shape... Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:51:04 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: My mistake. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oooooooops! You're right. I forgot to change the recipient. I'm sorry, all of you. Please accept my apologies. vini. Jeff Daly wrote: > > Psst! That's not a personal reply. From your other messages, I was pretty > sure you meant to send this as a private reply. This got sent to the whole > list and is probably not a useful discussion. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:56:02 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Ogre, netiquette. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh... I get it. I meant: what does it mean on OUR context? Saying "Alpathia sucks" (oops, Stalker!) is profane? Or was Geoff talking about bad language? Defining whatis and what is NOT allowed here is great. We could thus give anyone the yellow - even the red - card without being dictators. ("We" = Ogre) :-) vini. Jeff Daly wrote: > > > What is "Profane language"? > > > > Marked by contempt or irreverence for what is sacred: profane words. > Nonreligious in subject matter, form, or use; secular: sacred and profane > music. > Not admitted into a body of secret knowledge or ritual; uninitiated. > Vulgar; coarse. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:18:59 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Ogre, netiquette. Vini wrote: >> >> 1. Profane language of any sort is not tolerated. Ever. > >What is "Profane language"? Well, Jeff answered that one already, but think about it this way: If you wouldn't say it to someone whom you have never met before (or even to >Only disucssions, not judgements are interesting. >Yuo who LOVE showing the way YUO beahva, what YOU think and why YUO are >right... remember what me own Sage - AKA father - says: "Any phrase >starting with the word 'I' is potentially a not- interesting one." Os >something like that. Precisely. Discussions can be interesting without being filled with insults and such. >But we can say inf front of everybody "I don't like X's language and >don't think I'll tolerate it for long!", can't we? Of course you can - by all means (others have done so already) - but if you do so, do it tactfully and politely. If someone swears on the list, and you post a reply saying, "What a ----ing idiot! Don't swear!", then what's the points; you're no better than the person you are trying to censure. > >A plane to Europe or US is not THAT expensive if a butt is to be kicked. :-) I hope we can all move on and get down to business, then. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:24:10 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Ogre, netiquette. Vini wrote: >Defining whatis and what is NOT allowed here is great. We could thus >give anyone the yellow - even the red - card without being dictators. Perhaps the best thing interested people could do is visit my geocities site, scroll down towards the bottom, and click on the link to the code of conduct for the MML - I took it from Leroy's site once the changeover took place, and modified some things ever so slightly (not that you'd notice really). That will tell you in a nutshell what is acceptable, and what is not. Plus, this also pushes up the counter on my site, too. ;-P Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:34:07 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC Jenn wrote: >Bravo, Geoff! I really enjoyed this extraordinarily well-detailed Gazetteer. >I have not yet been able to go over everything in detail, but I did read t >over, and was extremely impressed! Why thank you! *bows* I think everyone who was involved should feel proud of what was produced. >I've always had a hard time picturing ways to make Cyndicea more interesting >and lively, and in bringing her people and history to life. You've done this >with great ease and mastery. I particularly liked the detailed descriptions >of the factions, and their motivations. You've managed to flesh these out to >the point that they're no longer just paper cut-out "sides" to a conflict, >but rather groups with complex reasons for their actions. Yes - Mischa deserves special congratulations for that, he was the one who fleshed out all the factions and gave them *life*, as opposed to stats. >I loved the Cyndicean History, with the tie-ins to the OBs. :-) Just wouldn't be me if the OBs *didn't* make an appearance somewhere. :) >And the campaign ideas make a lot of sense, having the PCs encounter >Cyndicea and her people at various times throughtout their careers, with >long-term goals in mind, rather than just plowing through the module in on, >long "crawl." Yeah, B4 was a great adventure, but beyond the initial dungeon crawl and adventuring ideas, there really wasn't much there, yet the concept of an underground city populated by an offshoot of humanity had so much potential, IMO, to become a fully-fledged campaign setting. We had hoped that this book would go part of the way to making Cynidicea more interesting, providing more fuel (NPCs, campaign info, etc.) for DMs to turn it into a real setting, with a longer lifespan than the original B4 adventure, which would probably have been forgotten by most players once they made it to level 25+ (just another old dungeon crawl). >In sum, an excellent piece of work, of immense value to the Mystaran >community. > >Congratulations! On behalf (I'm sure) of everyone else who helped put it together - thank you! :) Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:38:41 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Working Groups Now that the unthinkable has happened, that the Cynidicea project has completed its mandate, I will shortly post my project list. To all MMLers listed as contact people or managers, please let me know ASAP whether the projects currently listed are accurate, or if anything new has come up, for which you would like some help. After, the reason for the project list was to provide a means by which MMLers could find out what is being done, Mystara-wise, in order to determine if there is a project in which they would like to participate, or if some fan-generated product would soon be released, which might be of use to them. Thanks, Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:12:24 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:34:07 -0500 Geoff Gander writes: > Jenn wrote: > > >Bravo, Geoff! I really enjoyed this extraordinarily well-detailed > Gazetteer. > >I have not yet been able to go over everything in detail, but I did > read t > >over, and was extremely impressed! > > Why thank you! *bows* I think everyone who was involved should feel > proud > of what was produced. Let me join the lists of congratulations as well. This product was well worth the wait. Now I'm eagerly awaiting when B4 is released as an ESD, so I can see the source material.. Not only that, but the timeline helped me put together some ideas for Nithian era history for the Darokinian timeline I've been working on. (At the moment it is a list of all the history I could find from Gaz11 plus what's been mentioned in my Houses of Darokin series.) Don't be surprised if at some point I post a rundown on some of the prominent Doulakki kingdoms. Anyways, kudos to all involved in the Cynidicea project. Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/5930/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:14:59 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Ogre, netiquette. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the FAQ. When I entered comp.ai.games and asked about A* on a Warcraft AI subject *(like: "Sorry, I've got the whole point, but what exactlyis A*?"). Then thunder, sulpher and fire came by: "RTFM!!!" "Read the FAQ!" etc etc etc. Well, they _suppose_ and even obligate you to read it. There, the basic FYI, IMHO... AI expressions... all is explained. And the Newsgroups Netiquette, as well. I admit I haven't read *our* FAQ. Why would the others do it? They _should_, yes! Maybe putting a text box with the FAQ close to the "inscribe me" button (like when you register software) would help? (Of course we don't read disclaimers or contracts as well, so...). If people know he rules, the Ogre can kick them out with no remorse. ;-) How can we make people read the FAQ? vini. Geoff Gander wrote: > > Vini wrote: > > >Defining whatis and what is NOT allowed here is great. We could thus > >give anyone the yellow - even the red - card without being dictators. > > Perhaps the best thing interested people could do is visit my geocities > site, scroll down towards the bottom, and click on the link to the code of > conduct for the MML - I took it from Leroy's site once the changeover took > place, and modified some things ever so slightly (not that you'd notice > really). That will tell you in a nutshell what is acceptable, and what is > not. > > Plus, this also pushes up the counter on my site, too. ;-P > > Geoff ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:28:33 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jeff Daly Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Geoff, do you have a list of those brilliant people who helped put it together? I for one would like to humbly think the obvious geniuses who put their time and effort into this. Heck, I've never seen such a well done project by "just a bunch of fans". I could go on and on and on... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Gander" To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC > Jenn wrote: > > >Bravo, Geoff! I really enjoyed this extraordinarily well-detailed Gazetteer. > >I have not yet been able to go over everything in detail, but I did read t > >over, and was extremely impressed! > > Why thank you! *bows* I think everyone who was involved should feel proud > of what was produced. > > >I've always had a hard time picturing ways to make Cyndicea more interesting > >and lively, and in bringing her people and history to life. You've done this > >with great ease and mastery. I particularly liked the detailed descriptions > >of the factions, and their motivations. You've managed to flesh these out to > >the point that they're no longer just paper cut-out "sides" to a conflict, > >but rather groups with complex reasons for their actions. > > Yes - Mischa deserves special congratulations for that, he was the one who > fleshed out all the factions and gave them *life*, as opposed to stats. > > >I loved the Cyndicean History, with the tie-ins to the OBs. :-) > > Just wouldn't be me if the OBs *didn't* make an appearance somewhere. :) > > >And the campaign ideas make a lot of sense, having the PCs encounter > >Cyndicea and her people at various times throughtout their careers, with > >long-term goals in mind, rather than just plowing through the module in on, > >long "crawl." > > Yeah, B4 was a great adventure, but beyond the initial dungeon crawl and > adventuring ideas, there really wasn't much there, yet the concept of an > underground city populated by an offshoot of humanity had so much > potential, IMO, to become a fully-fledged campaign setting. We had hoped > that this book would go part of the way to making Cynidicea more > interesting, providing more fuel (NPCs, campaign info, etc.) for DMs > to turn it into a real setting, with a longer lifespan than the original B4 > adventure, which would probably have been forgotten by most players once > they made it to level 25+ (just another old dungeon crawl). > > >In sum, an excellent piece of work, of immense value to the Mystaran > >community. > > >Congratulations! > > On behalf (I'm sure) of everyone else who helped put it together - thank > you! :) > > Geoff > > -- > Geoff Gander, BA 97 > Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon > Carnifex Loremaster > au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:37:11 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jennifer Guerra Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC In-Reply-To: <002e01c05ca6$d3e4fd20$6232140a@jdaly> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 12/2/00 3:28 PM, jdaly@FRIEND.LY.NET wrote: > Hey Geoff, do you have a list of those brilliant people who helped put it > together? I for one would like to humbly think the obvious geniuses who put > their time and effort into this. Heck, I've never seen such a well done > project by "just a bunch of fans". I could go on and on and on... Of course, I meant to congratulate everyone else involved, as well as Geoff. My bad. :-) Jenn ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:36:05 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Timothy R. Haney" Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures In-Reply-To: <3A26DFEB.10973.DCA2F7@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12/1/00 01:16 AM, Jenni A.M. Merrifield wrote: > I guess Rob is right, that the area mentioned in the following is a >"Dead Duck" for adventure ideas if no one else on the MML has any >ideas they're willing to toss out for consideration. We could always try to cast Raise Dead Duck :) I wouldn't mind seeing the Atruaghin Clans put a new spin on the Native American lifestyle and religion. I'm not sure if the Immortals were used correctly for the area and sort of feel a bit flat to me. Animal spirits played a big part in Native American religion but that doesn't seem as important here. Just seems strange to have that type of culture worshipping the Immortals like every other region. The only region that actually does seem out of place without some modifications. But I wouldn't know where to start the modifications. -Tim ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:59:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Classed Monsters (was: Goblins to Castles) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:34:23 Timothy R. Haney wrote: >At 11/30/00 02:29 AM, Mike Harvey wrote: >>I agree completely. In this respect, older editions of D&D don't >>scale very well. D&D 3e takes sort of a compromise -- characters >>still turn into supermen, but now monsters are allowed to as well. To >>me this seems like primarily a game-system issue. I tend to favor >>systems (like Fudge or Gurps) that allow characters to develop >>without "outgrowing" monsters. > >Glad to hear 3E is at least addressing the issue :) I have thought about >looking into Gurps since I seem to favor skill systems over level >systems. I just haven't read enough 3E to get the complete picture. > Hrmmpmm... [Trying hard not to scream, "Enough with all the 3e praise..."] :) I don't like this, IMNSHO, 3e abomination! If you like it that's fine - you don't have to agree with me (in fact, I would likely be a lot happier if I liked 3e myself, but I just don't unfortunately!). However, I would like to point out that classed monsters are *not* a 3e invention - I first saw classed monsters in the Complete Book of Humanoids (and much of that was repeated in the Player's Option: Skills & Powers book, which I use extensively). Don't slash 2e for this - classed monsters were a 2e invention, not a 3e one! In fact, for all I know, it might go back even further than that... The reason why it wasn't used widely is that it's a bit of a pain for the DM to add all the details for each orc, a problem that I don't see 3e present a good solution to (and I *do* have all the three 3e core rulebooks...). Though it's a problem to add all the detail, I have used the 2e rules to create excellent classed characters as NPC villains, some who were orcish leaders and such. One particularly nasty one was a high-leveled Minotaur warrior in command of the minotaurs who attacked Darokin for the Master in AC 1,006 IMC! Though the PCs IMC are though, he gave them a good run for their money... ;) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:49:31 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands(was Re: [MYSTARA] "Dead Duck" Adventures) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > We could always try to cast Raise Dead Duck :) I > wouldn't mind seeing the > Atruaghin Clans put a new spin on the Native > American lifestyle and > religion. I'm not sure if the Immortals were used > correctly for the area > and sort of feel a bit flat to me. Animal spirits > played a big part in > Native American religion but that doesn't seem as > important here. Just > seems strange to have that type of culture > worshipping the Immortals like > every other region. The only region that actually > does seem out of place > without some modifications. But I wouldn't know > where to start the > modifications. Now the Atruaghin area interests me less for actually gaming in and more for an idea generator for other areas of Mystara. As I don't have the Atruaghin gaz I don't know that much about it, but I gather they are decended from the Azca and the oltec (any nithian conections?)and have blackmoorian ancestry too. Is this right? However I am *very* interested in the Hinterlands and the Isle of dread. It strikes me that there is remarkable similarity between the three cultures and I would like to do a bit more on the link. Perhaps using the Atruaghin info to develop the Hinterlands and Isle of Dread further (which are to feature largely IMC) Could someone who has read the Atruaghin gaz, X1, and DotE tell me if they think I'm on the right track... Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:53:02 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: My final thoughts on the Karameikos thread (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, SteelAngel wrote: > > Mystara is all of that, and more. Unrealistically crammed into a tiny > little area of a itty-bitty world, we have Romans south of Arabs south of > Dwarves, south of Vikings, south of Naziesque Holy Roman Empire freaks. The Heldannic Knights are more like Teutonic Knights than the HRE per se. I tend to see Alphatia as more the Holy Roman Empire of the Known World. Well, except that the Holy Roman Empire didn't sink into the ocean..,:) John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:21:07 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures In-Reply-To: <20001201224948.6CBCF8107@breg.mc.mpls.visi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It seems like many on the list agree that Ethengar and Atruaghin are a little difficult to use. That Mystara began life as a hodge podge of nearly unconnected adventure modules, it made developing a cohesive game setting quite a mess. But fixing the "mess" is the fun part! Now, I am nearly edging to running my next campaign in the Known World. But the enigma of Ethengar is sitting there like a great big sore thumb. It's M-Mongolia and simply seems like a pushover. Like was pointed out already, they are pinned in on all sides with nearly equal or greater military powers. Ethengar lacks the whoopass factor of the Mongolian Hordes. I dunno, I think the steppes of Ethengar present great adventure opportunities... minus the Ethengar people. Still, I think the Ethengar Khans are a great campaign tool. I'd just like to have them up and "migrate" to the plateau above Glantri to the west, probably with the suggestion I found on starflung about giving the Ethengars escaped pegasi from sunken Alphatia. I'm just imaging the landgrab by the nations surrounding the steppes when there is a sudden vacuum in the steppes from the Horde vacating. The humanoids of the Broken Lands swarm back in. Darokin doing their best to maintain trade routes through. Rockhome taking field to fight back the humanoids. The HK's blitzkrieging in secure a new frontier. What would Glantri do with this kind of chaos on their border? Hmmm. And then the Golden Khan returns to sort out the weakened armies beneath the hoofs of his Horde. Ok, I'm rambling and spewing and dreaming now. So, did I violate any kind of canon? Eric Anondson (*runs and hides*) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:27:45 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands(was Re: [MYSTARA] "Dead Duck" Adventures) In-Reply-To: <20001202004931.24373.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Chris Furneaux wrote: > Now the Atruaghin area interests me less for actually > gaming in and more for an idea generator for other > areas of Mystara. As I don't have the Atruaghin gaz I > don't know that much about it, but I gather they are > decended from the Azca and the oltec (any nithian > conections?)and have blackmoorian ancestry too. Is No Blackmoorian ancestry; they're just Oltec and Azca descendents. They're just descended from refugees of the Great Rain of Fire, but no direct connections. > this right? However I am *very* interested in the > Hinterlands and the Isle of dread. It strikes me that > there is remarkable similarity between the three > cultures and I would like to do a bit more on the > link. Perhaps using the Atruaghin info to develop the > Hinterlands and Isle of Dread further (which are to Hinterlands aren't actually very Atruaghinish; they strike me as more Celtic than Amerind. Does the Isle of Dread have any cultures on it? Oh wait, there's Phanatons living there, right? John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:53:14 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Eric Anondson wrote: > > Now, I am nearly edging to running my next campaign in the Known World. But > the enigma of Ethengar is sitting there like a great big sore thumb. It's > M-Mongolia and simply seems like a pushover. Like was pointed out already, > they are pinned in on all sides with nearly equal or greater military > powers. Ethengar lacks the whoopass factor of the Mongolian Hordes. > This partly reflects the difficulties of measuring armies with different kinds of units against each other. In games I run, the Ethengars would crush the Heldannic Knights beneath their heels, given that the real world mongols easily crushed the sort of knightly forces they represented. Vestland also falls in the easy meat category, once the Ethengars get proper siege equipment from the Dwarves, anyway. Glantri and Rockhome, on the other hand, would give the Ethengars a hell of a fight, as long as both sides forced the Ethengars to come to them. (If they ventured out into the steppes, they'd end up as vulture meat). Unfortunately, so far as I can tell, the Ethengars were pretty much treated as pathetic non-entities in everything but their own Gazeteer. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:51:40 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Timothy R. Haney" Subject: Re: Classed Monsters (was: Goblins to Castles) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12/1/00 05:59 PM, The Stalker wrote: >However, I would like to point out that classed monsters are *not* a 3e >invention - I first saw classed monsters in the Complete Book of Humanoids >(and much of that was repeated in the Player's Option: Skills & Powers >book, which I use extensively). I don't have it any longer but I think the Orcs of Thar the first :) Wasn't really praising 3E. I'm not sure about it yet. The only thing I am sure about is its a brand new system that just happens to be allowed to use D&D terms. >Though it's a problem to add all the detail, I have used the 2e rules to >create excellent classed characters as NPC villains, some who were orcish >leaders and such. Yes, that's the same problem I had. Not that you couldn't but you did have to work on it. -Tim ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:56:57 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Timothy R. Haney" Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12/1/00 07:21 PM, Eric Anondson wrote: >Ethengar lacks the whoopass factor of the Mongolian Hordes. I've been in favor of the Ethengars storming across Glantri to the region of Brun they would seem to work better in :) >So, did I violate any kind of canon? Yes. You didn't mention Stefan anywhere in that message! -Tim ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:57:55 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Kelvin in Karameikos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:39:03 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Ranma Al'Thor wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Chris Furneaux wrote: > > > Now the Atruaghin area interests me less for > actually > > gaming in and more for an idea generator for other > > areas of Mystara. As I don't have the Atruaghin > gaz I > > don't know that much about it, but I gather they > are > > decended from the Azca and the oltec (any nithian > > conections?)and have blackmoorian ancestry too. Is > > No Blackmoorian ancestry; they're just Oltec and > Azca descendents. > They're just descended from refugees of the Great > Rain of Fire, but no > direct connections. > > > this right? However I am *very* interested in the > > Hinterlands and the Isle of dread. It strikes me > that > > there is remarkable similarity between the three > > cultures and I would like to do a bit more on the > > link. Perhaps using the Atruaghin info to develop > the > > Hinterlands and Isle of Dread further (which are > to > > Hinterlands aren't actually very Atruaghinish; they > strike me as more > Celtic than Amerind. > > Does the Isle of Dread have any cultures on it? Oh > wait, there's > Phanatons living there, right? It appears there may be a relationship in beliefs even if the reces seem very different. This is what I've come up with as posibilities for the isle of dread's inhapitants, feedback would be useful: History of the Inhabitants. The natives of the island are reminants of the Oltec and azca civilizations simmilar to the Atruaghin clans in descent but have peen fairly isolated for 100's maybe 1000's of years. There are four main clans in the area, Elk, Hawk, Tiger, and sea turtle. There are represantitive of these clans at each of the seven villages on the southern outcrop of the isle of dread. It appears that they once had a much higher technological level then they currently possess simmilar to how the regon where the aztec's lived is today. There is however a much more pacific feel to the inhabitants, and there are some strange associations with the dead in that occationally they make use of zombies and there is a high level of undead activity on the island which could ether be a carry over from the Oltecs and the azcas, possible contact with the Nithians, or something that they developed over the years of isolation themselves. In the case of contact with the nithians the spell of oblivian would explain their loss of tecnological level. If there was no contact with the nithians then it could be a result from when the Oltecs and the azcas were moved to the Hollow world or they just forgot over time. Elk, Tiger and Sea-turtle(sometimes just turtle) clans exist in the Atruaghin platau, while the closest to the hawk clan appears to be the Raven clan of the thyatanian Hinterlands. I have not established a connection between these cultures but it is quite possible given that both the Atruaghin clans and the hinterlands have a horse clan and both peoples worship totem's of their animal I believe but I will need to find out more about the hinterlands history to be sure. The areas around the isle of dread also have been havens for pirates and slave traders (often the same) and the isle of dread (according to X1) was once the centre of a Kopru Kingdom (a special type of lizard with charm abilities) but they are nearly extinct. However they would be willing to do almost anything to reclaim their lost greatness. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:35:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Working Groups MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geoff Gander wrote: > Now that the unthinkable has happened, that the Cynidicea project has > completed its mandate, I will shortly post my project list. To all MMLers > listed as contact people or managers, please let me know ASAP whether the > projects currently listed are accurate, or if anything new has come up, Me, James and Agathokles are now working as the Thyatis Character Reference Team, and are working on Thyatis (uoooh!). The site is at www.geocities.com/talerio/ Take a look, enjoy and put us on the project list. Iulius ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:43:37 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ranma Al'Thor wrote: > Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed > magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? > When did they do this? [surprised look] Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:34:35 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Broken links at Dark Portal Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to fix a thousand of broken links at the Nightmare's Project Site. Now, I could be so subtle to ask "please, could someone take a look if there are broken links so I could fix them too" so you take a look at my/Andrew's/Geoff's works on the OBs and Nightmare Dimension, and raise the counter, but I won't. Iulius ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:24:48 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Derek Adam Subject: Re: Daunting World/ Favourite Nation In-Reply-To: <3A27A69A.43800C42@tin.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:24 PM 12/1/00 +0100, you wrote: >Auld Skald said: >"Spoken like a true Republican! So, will you be running for Senate, >Captain, now that the Emperor has dispatched Helenites Osteropolus? >=;)" > >What do you mean by "true Republican"? I didn't understand the >joke...sorry. I meant as opposed to the Patricians. Sorry if that was unclear. =;) >On the other hand, I don't think I want to run for the Senatorial seat. >I would have >to run from Lucinius to Thyatis, and it's far too much for me to go. 8-) Bah! Senators can hire a litter. >BTW, this is the sort of paradoxal conversation that I enjoy on the >list. Sometime it's funny to look upon those Karameikans and Alphatian >dudes without >thinking of them as meat to be chopped by our axes and swords. 8-) Uh, I have relatives in Karameikos. I do hope you weren't talking about /Thyatian/ Karameikans? >Iulius Sergius Scaevola >Captain of the XXth Cohort >Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:16:13 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Daunting World Tongue in Cheek MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I meant as opposed to the Patricians. Sorry if that was unclear. =;) Ahh...well, if you checked the Thyatis Site (www.geocities.com/talerio) , you could easily see that the Republicans, in Thyatis, are extremists. We call Populares (opposed to the Optimas, the patricians), those you called "Republicans" . I am not writing this because I want you to visit our site, just because it could be useful infos... 8-) > >On the other hand, I don't think I want to run for the Senatorial seat. > >I would have > >to run from Lucinius to Thyatis, and it's far too much for me to go. 8-) > > Bah! Senators can hire a litter. But I am not a Senator! Do you know how ill-payed are the soldiers in Thyatis? No wonder we weren nearly beaten by ALPHATIANS! > Sometime it's funny to look upon those Karameikans and Alphatian > >dudes without > >thinking of them as meat to be chopped by our axes and swords. 8-) > > Uh, I have relatives in Karameikos. I do hope you weren't talking about > /Thyatian/ Karameikans? > Well, it only depends by their attitude toward the Traitor. 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 06:40:33 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Oliver Subject: Re: Please Beau don't go!!!!!!! Comments: cc: Beau Yarbrough In-Reply-To: <200011300809.DAA40705@smtp.uky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Fellow [and former] Mystarans I can't help but become enthralled at the level of depth at the poli-sci of the Known World. To the kudos of the subscribers of this ML, (most of) these recent posts are well thought out and researched, as are many of the web-based contributions out there. Allright, so some of us are a bit *positive* in our opinions, but at least we haven't degenerated to the kind of impulsive "me too" and flame crap I normally have to sift through on the other listservs (yet). The other reason I write is that I would like to have that deep an understanding of the intricacies of Mystara as those of us that post the theoretical stuff. Basically I want to learn about how the nations get along... Yeah, yeah, judging by the level of complexity of most of the posts I've seen, the geo-political makeup of the nations of Mystara seems more complicated than some polarized Thayatan Entente vs. Alphatian Bloc vs. Sind Desert Axis scheme. Since I don't have WotI or most of the Gazetteers and Almanacs, would someone be kind (and ambitious enough) to whip up a cliffs notes-style list of nation alliances of the nations of Brun, post-WotI. With Darokin's great strides in diplomatic relations, I speculate there ought to be less than five camps of very loosely *aligned* nations and their protectorates/fiefdoms. So, I hope to see posts of nation listing by alliance from you all soon, perhaps a map or flow chart from some of you more detailed thinkers. -o ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:56:10 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brant Casavant Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << > Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed > magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? > When did they do this? [surprised look] >> Well, it says in K:KoA that arcane magic is illegal within the city walls of Kelvin by decree of Lord Kelvin. I've always attributed this to the fact that Lord Kelvin is a cleric, and so maybe he's distrusting of wizards. Or maybe he doesn't want all those rowdy college students from the School of Magecraft comin' into town on the weekends, getting drunk and causing all sorts of magical mayhem. - Brant ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:05:45 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brant Casavant Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/1/00 10:06:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ranma@FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU writes: << > Now, I am nearly edging to running my next campaign in the Known World. But > the enigma of Ethengar is sitting there like a great big sore thumb. It's > M-Mongolia and simply seems like a pushover. Like was pointed out already, > they are pinned in on all sides with nearly equal or greater military > powers. Ethengar lacks the whoopass factor of the Mongolian Hordes. > This partly reflects the difficulties of measuring armies with different kinds of units against each other. In games I run, the Ethengars would crush the Heldannic Knights beneath their heels, given that the real world mongols easily crushed the sort of knightly forces they represented. Vestland also falls in the easy meat category, once the Ethengars get proper siege equipment from the Dwarves, anyway. >> There is also the factor of mobility. The Ethengars, essentially being the Mongol Horde, are horsemen and therefore highly mobile. If they are half as skilled at horse breeding/riding as the real world Mongols were, then they can easily outride and out manuever any Known World army ('cept those darn flying units, but they don't count). For example: Let's say the Heldann Freeholds decide to invade the Khanates. They start marching an army across the border, and Ethengar scouts spot them. The Heldanners send interceptors after them, but the Ethengars have superior horses and riders, and easily outride their pursuers. They alert the rest of the Khanate, who, instead of meeting the Heldanners, send more scouts to monitor their movements. The Ethengars are thereby able to watch where the Heldanners move to, and because they have no permanent cities or anything (being a semi-nomadic people), they can just pick up and move whenever the Heldanners get too close to them. Their superior speed and scouts allow them to get far, far away from the Heldanners before the Heldanners even arrive. Eventually the Heldanners are going to run out of money, supplies and moral. The Ethengars, meanwhile, have been using guerilla tactics to hurt Heldann supply-lines, making resupply difficult. The Heldanners are forced to march home. Just my interpretation. - Brant ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:50:20 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Gault Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ranma Al'Thor wrote: > Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed > magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? Kelvin seems to be a little power hungry, and he certain seems a good candidate for being a control freak. By forbidding arcane magic, he takes out a lot of possible threats and a lot of unknown. Even if someone has a legitimate reason to challenge him or his men, if they use arcane magic to do it then he has the weight of law on his side. Dylan G ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:36:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Daunting World Tongue in Cheek In-Reply-To: <3A28D9FD.AA5F9BDA@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT As a bizarre observation about this sort of "In Character" commentary -- it seems that the conversations gets much more convoluted and confusing when one "character" lives in the AC 1000 era and the other lives in the post-WotI era.... :-? Jenni On 2 Dec 2000, at 12:16, Caroletti wrote: > > I meant as opposed to the Patricians. Sorry if that was unclear. =;) > > Ahh...well, if you checked the Thyatis Site (www.geocities.com/talerio) > , you could easily see that the Republicans, in Thyatis, are extremists. We > call > Populares (opposed to the Optimas, the patricians), those you called > "Republicans" . I am not writing this because I want you to visit our site, > just > because it could be useful infos... 8-) > > > >On the other hand, I don't think I want to run for the Senatorial seat. > > >I would have > > >to run from Lucinius to Thyatis, and it's far too much for me to go. 8-) > > > > Bah! Senators can hire a litter. > > But I am not a Senator! Do you know how ill-payed are the soldiers in > Thyatis? > No wonder we weren nearly beaten by ALPHATIANS! > > > Sometime it's funny to look upon those Karameikans and Alphatian > > >dudes without > > >thinking of them as meat to be chopped by our axes and swords. 8-) > > > > Uh, I have relatives in Karameikos. I do hope you weren't talking about > > /Thyatian/ Karameikans? > > > > Well, it only depends by their attitude toward the Traitor. 8-) > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Captain of the XXth Cohort > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ <--------------------------------------------------------> God said: "Let their be Light." Then he created Earth, vegtables, animals, man and woman. Then God thought: "You know, I should create things I *like*!" So God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:48:32 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed > > magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? > > Kelvin seems to be a little power hungry, and he certain seems a > good candidate for being a control freak. By forbidding arcane > magic, he takes out a lot of possible threats and a lot of unknown. > Even if someone has a legitimate reason to challenge him or his > men, if they use arcane magic to do it then he has the weight of > law on his side. > Not getting the princess' hand, and therefore little chance to become king, definitely seems to have soured poor DK2 somewhat anyway. However, an alternative is that perhaps the first Baron Kelvin instigated the law for a specific reason and it was just never repealed (like the one about coach drivers being able to relieve themselves on the rear offside wheel whilst on the king's highway (so that you're nearby in case the horses try to bolt), which I believe only recently was, which dates back centuries). You also have to wonder if the right of a Knight or higher noble to ignore local city weapon regulations applies to the use of magic also, especially if that is ones primary means of offence and defence. All moot in my campaign though as DK2 has already been replaced due to unfortunately listening to advice from those he chose as allies post the wedding. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:39:28 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos In-Reply-To: <3A28B639.BF6E436A@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Caroletti wrote: > Ranma Al'Thor wrote: > > > Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed > > magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? > > > > When did they do this? [surprised look] > In the Karameikos Gazeteer, in the Barony of Kelvin, any use of magicuser magic is a 'Class 3 offense'. This means that casting say...light...could get you fined 100*1d6 GP, jailed for 1d6 months, or both. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:31:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: the fullm gazetteer series at ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is THE news: ebay has the full gaz collection to offer http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515381385 Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: clenarius@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:48:47 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brant Casavant wrote: > > Well, it says in K:KoA that arcane magic is illegal within the city walls of > Kelvin by decree of Lord Kelvin. I've always attributed this to the fact that > Lord Kelvin is a cleric, and so maybe he's distrusting of wizards. Or maybe > he doesn't want all those rowdy college students from the School of Magecraft > comin' into town on the weekends, getting drunk and causing all sorts of > magical mayhem. Actually, the same law existed in AC 1000, both in Kelvin and in Threshold. Perhaps the CoT doesn't like wizardry (they surely don't like tea leaves readings and other "folk magic"). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:45:09 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Please Beau don't go!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oliver wrote: > > I speculate there ought to be less > than five camps of very loosely *aligned* nations and their > protectorates/fiefdoms. > > So, I hope to see posts of nation listing by alliance from you all soon, > perhaps a map or flow chart from some of you more detailed thinkers. I'll try... Alphatian Block: (post WotI, this may be more of a Thotian block) All surviving Alphatian Kingdoms (those in Bellissaria, Esterhold, Norwold, Thotia and its satellite states of Trikelios and Ekto, Floating Ar) This block may be either a collapsing power, or a raising one, depending on how the DM plays it. Ethengar and the Atruaghin clans may easily fall in this block, either as protectorate (Atruaghin) or as allies (Ethengar). Thyatian Block: reduced to Thyatis, Ostland and Minrothad by the defection of Karameikos. Wendar might still be an ally. Glantri should by now be considered an ally. This block has the strongest navy, and the largest army. Heldannic Block: Heldannic Knights, and perhaps Vestland. Uneasy allies with Thyatis. Strongest military and aerial power. It is "allied" with the Simbasta of Davania. Darokin Block: Darokin, Five Shires, Ierendi, Karameikos and Ylaruam. Strenghtened by Alphatian expatriates, but weakened by the defection of Rockhome and the loss of Alfheim. Depending on the Shadow Elves decisions, this block might be overall strenghtened (if the SE cooperate) or shattered (if the SE block the Selenica-Darokin trade route). It has a large and powerful navy, and a good army, but its strenght is mostly defensive. Hulean Empire: Hule and Sind (occupied). This block is opposed to most others, though it may find allies in the HK or the SE. Other nations are not directly aligned with any block. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:34:02 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > History of the Inhabitants. > The natives of the island are reminants of the Oltec > and azca civilizations simmilar to the Atruaghin clans > in descent but have peen fairly isolated for 100's > maybe 1000's of years. There are four main clans in > the area, Elk, Hawk, Tiger, and sea turtle. There are actually 5 clans in the Atruaghin clans. The Horse Clan, the Bear Clan, the Elk Clan, the Turtle Clan, and the Tiger Clan. There is no Hawk Clan. The Children of the Horse, are based on the american indian culture, speak by using sign language, and distain any type of missile combat.. The Bear clan is based on the cliff dwelling mexican indians. They are a democratic people, who make use of pottery and farming with irrigation technology.. The Elk clan are based on forest indians (such as the Mohicans). I'm not that sure about any more details of this clan as I'm doing all this from memory at the moment :(. I don't know who the Turtle clan are based on, but they are traders and practice whaling. Perhaps someone else could enlighten you on these. The Tiger clan are based on the Aztec culture, and worship Atzanteotl. They are evil in the extreme, but one curious custom that I can remember, is that they find raising the dead offensive. There is far more information on them in the Gaz, and I recommend that you pick it up. It is an excellent read. It also gives you information on each tribes founding Immortals, and of course details on the Shamani character class. :) > There are > represantitive of these clans at each of the seven > villages on the southern outcrop of the isle of dread. No. There is no relations that I am aware of between the Atruaghin Clans and the Isle of Dread. They are two seperate cultures. > It appears that they once had a much higher > technological level then they currently possess > simmilar to how the regon where the aztec's lived is > today. There is however a much more pacific feel to > the inhabitants, and there are some strange > associations with the dead in that occationally they > make use of zombies and there is a high level of > undead activity on the island which could ether be a > carry over from the Oltecs and the azcas, possible > contact with the Nithians, or something that they > developed over the years of isolation themselves. To what I can gather, the natives on the Isle of Dread, did indeed have a civilised culture a long time ago, but then they somehow became slaves to the Korpru. Eventually, they managed to free themselves and now exist as individual tribes that band together in times of mutual defence. I do have a write up of the culture of the Isle of Dread from when I set an extensive campaign down there. If anyone is interested, I'll post it. . I have not established a > connection between these cultures but it is quite > possible given that both the Atruaghin clans and the > hinterlands have a horse clan and both peoples worship > totem's of their animal I believe but I will need to > find out more about the hinterlands history to be > sure. The Hinterlands are based on a celtic culture IIRC, and are actually the distant relatives of the Thyatians :) They have no ties to the Atruaghin Clans as far as I know. > The areas around the isle of dread also have been > havens for pirates and slave traders (often the same) > and the isle of dread (according to X1) was once the > centre of a Kopru Kingdom (a special type of lizard > with charm abilities) but they are nearly extinct. > However they would be willing to do almost anything to > reclaim their lost greatness. > The Kopru are far from extinct. :) A look into PC 3 The Sea People will show you that :) Phil (aka Alexander Korrigan, humble student of the Great School of Magic) "I'm not evil. Just practical." ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:44:31 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone come up with a good idea WHY the Barons Kelvin have outlawed > magicuser magic in Kelvin in Karameikos? Alot of magic user magic can be used offensively, and can be quite destructive (and of course it stops spell/magic item creation in the city, we all know some of the disasters a failed experiment can have). By the way, Kelvin is not the only place to have this stricture. Threshold has it too. Phil (aka Alexander Korrigan, humble student of the Great School of Magic) "I'm not evil. Just practical." ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:16:47 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands In-Reply-To: <002101c05caf$f93e0f40$5063883e@philjones> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Phillip: I think that Chris Furneaux (the poster of these ideas that related the Atruaghin to the Isle of Dread and the Hinterlands) didn't mean to imply that these relations were definitely there, only that they were one way of developing the regions to add a twist to a campaign. Sometimes, people just like to suggest alternatives -- if you re- read his post, you'll see that one of the first things he said was: "This is what I've come up with as /possibilities/ for the isle of dread's inhabitants..." [/emphasis/ is mine]. So, try giving him some feedback on his ideas from that point of view, not from the point of view of whether or not they are "accurate" w.r.t. the "Mystara baseline" [*]. Jenni [*] I /refuse/ to use the "c" word. It's far too loaded. On 2 Dec 2000, at 22:34, Phillip Jones wrote: > > History of the Inhabitants. > > The natives of the island are reminants of the Oltec > > and azca civilizations simmilar to the Atruaghin clans > > in descent but have peen fairly isolated for 100's > > maybe 1000's of years. There are four main clans in > > the area, Elk, Hawk, Tiger, and sea turtle. > > There are actually 5 clans in the Atruaghin clans. The Horse Clan, the Bear > Clan, the Elk Clan, the Turtle Clan, and the Tiger Clan. There is no Hawk > Clan. The Children of the Horse, are based on the american indian culture, > speak by using sign language, and distain any type of missile combat.. The > Bear clan is based on the cliff dwelling mexican indians. They are a > democratic people, who make use of pottery and farming with irrigation > technology.. The Elk clan are based on forest indians (such as the > Mohicans). I'm not that sure about any more details of this clan as I'm > doing all this from memory at the moment :(. I don't know who the Turtle > clan are based on, but they are traders and practice whaling. Perhaps > someone else could enlighten you on these. The Tiger clan are based on the > Aztec culture, and worship Atzanteotl. They are evil in the extreme, but one > curious custom that I can remember, is that they find raising the dead > offensive. There is far more information on them in the Gaz, and I recommend > that you pick it up. It is an excellent read. It also gives you information > on each tribes founding Immortals, and of course details on the Shamani > character class. :) > > > There are > > represantitive of these clans at each of the seven > > villages on the southern outcrop of the isle of dread. > > No. There is no relations that I am aware of between the Atruaghin Clans and > the Isle of Dread. They are two seperate cultures. > > > It appears that they once had a much higher > > technological level then they currently possess > > simmilar to how the regon where the aztec's lived is > > today. There is however a much more pacific feel to > > the inhabitants, and there are some strange > > associations with the dead in that occationally they > > make use of zombies and there is a high level of > > undead activity on the island which could ether be a > > carry over from the Oltecs and the azcas, possible > > contact with the Nithians, or something that they > > developed over the years of isolation themselves. > > To what I can gather, the natives on the Isle of Dread, did indeed have a > civilised culture a long time ago, but then they somehow became slaves to > the Korpru. Eventually, they managed to free themselves and now exist as > individual tribes that band together in times of mutual defence. I do have a > write up of the culture of the Isle of Dread from when I set an extensive > campaign down there. If anyone is interested, I'll post it. > > . I have not established a > > connection between these cultures but it is quite > > possible given that both the Atruaghin clans and the > > hinterlands have a horse clan and both peoples worship > > totem's of their animal I believe but I will need to > > find out more about the hinterlands history to be > > sure. > > The Hinterlands are based on a celtic culture IIRC, and are actually the > distant relatives of the Thyatians :) They have no ties to the Atruaghin > Clans as far as I know. > > > The areas around the isle of dread also have been > > havens for pirates and slave traders (often the same) > > and the isle of dread (according to X1) was once the > > centre of a Kopru Kingdom (a special type of lizard > > with charm abilities) but they are nearly extinct. > > However they would be willing to do almost anything to > > reclaim their lost greatness. > > > The Kopru are far from extinct. :) A look into PC 3 The Sea People will > show you that :) > > Phil > (aka Alexander Korrigan, humble student of the Great School of Magic) > "I'm not evil. Just practical." > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ <--------------------------------------------------------> God said: "Let their be Light." Then he created Earth, vegtables, animals, man and woman. Then God thought: "You know, I should create things I *like*!" So God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:58:05 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Phillip Jones wrote: > > History of the Inhabitants. > > The natives of the island are reminants of the > Oltec > > and azca civilizations simmilar to the Atruaghin > clans > > in descent but have peen fairly isolated for 100's > > maybe 1000's of years. There are four main clans > in > > the area, Elk, Hawk, Tiger, and sea turtle. > > There are actually 5 clans in the Atruaghin clans. > The Horse Clan, the Bear > Clan, the Elk Clan, the Turtle Clan, and the Tiger > Clan. There is no Hawk > Clan. I know this. I was actually talking about the clan's on the Isle of dread as described in X1. > > There are > > represantitive of these clans at each of the seven > > villages on the southern outcrop of the isle of > dread. > > No. There is no relations that I am aware of between > the Atruaghin Clans and > the Isle of Dread. They are two seperate cultures. They both appear to be decended from the Aztec and oltec's. They also have some cultural similarities, and identical clan names. > To what I can gather, the natives on the Isle of > Dread, did indeed have a > civilised culture a long time ago, but then they > somehow became slaves to > the Korpru. Eventually, they managed to free > themselves and now exist as > individual tribes that band together in times of > mutual defence. I do have a > write up of the culture of the Isle of Dread from > when I set an extensive > campaign down there. If anyone is interested, I'll > post it. Yes I'm interested, post it :-) It is possible that they were slaves to the kopru, but I think it could also be that some of their kin were enslaved and they slaugtered them and a lot of the kopru, but there remains too many reminants from Kopru ocupation on the main Island area to live there. also they appear to be periodically attacked from the main Island, so avoid dwelling there. This is where I was going anyway. > . I have not established a > > connection between these cultures but it is quite > > possible given that both the Atruaghin clans and > the > > hinterlands have a horse clan and both peoples > worship > > totem's of their animal I believe but I will need > to > > find out more about the hinterlands history to be > > sure. > > The Hinterlands are based on a celtic culture IIRC, > and are actually the > distant relatives of the Thyatians :) They have > no ties to the Atruaghin > Clans as far as I know. Yes but they have had hundreds maybe thousands of years to grow apart. Thyatians are also prone to adopting other cultures, so it is posible there was a mass conversion to this culture. Perhaps they absorbed the reminants of an Oltec/Azca civilization, or were colinized by them, being converted in some beliefs but keeping their ratial attributes. And besides, living in a different climate enaples cultures to evolve quite differently from each other, and prioritize things differently. > > The areas around the isle of dread also have been > > havens for pirates and slave traders (often the > same) > > and the isle of dread (according to X1) was once > the > > centre of a Kopru Kingdom (a special type of > lizard > > with charm abilities) but they are nearly extinct. > > However they would be willing to do almost > anything to > > reclaim their lost greatness. > > > The Kopru are far from extinct. :) A look into PC > 3 The Sea People will > show you that :) Don't have it so any info would be appreciated. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:08:49 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Phillip: > > I think that Chris Furneaux (the poster of these ideas that related > the Atruaghin to the Isle of Dread and the Hinterlands) didn't mean > to imply that these relations were definitely there, only that they > were one way of developing the regions to add a twist to a campaign. > > Sometimes, people just like to suggest alternatives -- if you re- > read his post, you'll see that one of the first things he said was: > "This is what I've come up with as /possibilities/ for the isle of > dread's inhabitants..." [/emphasis/ is mine]. > > So, try giving him some feedback on his ideas from that point of > view, not from the point of view of whether or not they are > "accurate" w.r.t. the "Mystara baseline" [*]. > > Jenni > > [*] I /refuse/ to use the "c" word. It's far too loaded. Sorry. :) I misread the post. :) Phil ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:24:05 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Character of Mystara (was My final thoughts....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: SteelAngel > > Mystara is all of that, and more. Unrealistically crammed into a tiny > little area of a itty-bitty world, we have Romans south of Arabs south of > Dwarves, south of Vikings, south of Naziesque Holy Roman Empire freaks. > It's bad enough we got the short end of the stick in not having a nice > clean world-vision. Not only is Mystaran Canon badly connected, it's > filled with more fantasy puns and bad jokes than a Piers Anthony novel, > Take Irendi for example ^_^. I must admit that you have just hit on one of the features of Mystara that I find most attractive. So Mystara is illogically arranged? That is a challenge both for us and the PCs/NPCs who live there. What I find most appealing is that each nation in the Known World has a very distinct character -- there is not the slightest chance of confusing one nation with another. Maybe fans of the Forgotten Realms can distinguish Cormyr from the Dalelands -- but for me it is necessary to get well away from the "core regions" to Zakhara, Kara-Tur, or Maztica before I can tell the nations of Toril apart. But if you combine the easily distinguishable cultures with all of those bad puns as well as the promise of Immortality to those few adventurers who prove themselves worthy along with a lower powered potential for heroics along the Savage Coast, then you have Mystara in its purest form -- the cradle/playground of candidates for Immortality. Since any heroic PC who reaches high enough level can shape this world in significant ways, it should be no surprise that Mystara has so many divergent timelines derived from various campaigns. Is that a problem? Not at all. If you take the "canonical" setting at any point prior to the latest "official" date, then it is virtually certain that your PCs will do something to force events along a different path than the "canonical" materials said that they took. Even if you use the latest Mystaran Almanac as your point of departure, it is a safe bet that the Almanac published next year will differ from what happens in your personal campaign. So you have now created yet another alternate timeline for Mystara -- deal with it, have fun with it, and then move on. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:58:30 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Please Beau don't go!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3A295F54.30E35AE4@libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Agathokles wrote: > Heldannic Block: > Heldannic Knights, and perhaps Vestland. Uneasy allies with Thyatis. > Strongest military and aerial power. > It is "allied" with the Simbasta of Davania. > The what of where? What/who are the Simbasta? And where is Davania? John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:00:57 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Atruaghin, Isle of dread + Hinterlands In-Reply-To: <002101c05caf$f93e0f40$5063883e@philjones> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Phillip Jones wrote: > Mohicans). I'm not that sure about any more details of this clan as I'm > doing all this from memory at the moment :(. I don't know who the Turtle > clan are based on, but they are traders and practice whaling. Perhaps Tribes of the Pacific Northwest. > someone else could enlighten you on these. The Tiger clan are based on the > Aztec culture, and worship Atzanteotl. They are evil in the extreme, but one They're more Toltec than Aztec. The Aztec were one united nation during their history; the Tiger clan is divided into quarreling city states as the Toltecs were after they conquered the Maya (If I remember my central american history correctly, which I admit is NOT my specialty). John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:14:09 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ranma Al'Thor Subject: Re: Character of Mystara (was My final thoughts....) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, David Knott wrote: > than the "canonical" materials said that they took. Even if you use > the latest Mystaran Almanac as your point of departure, it is a safe > bet that the Almanac published next year will differ from what happens > in your personal campaign. So you have now created yet another > alternate timeline for Mystara -- deal with it, have fun with it, and then > move on. > Yep. My PCs managed to resolve the Wrath of the Immortals before the Meteor hit and before the Day of Dread by using Yav's time machine to send the Nucleus of the Spheres a thousand years into the future. This caused things to turn out QUITE differently. John Walter Biles : MA-History, ABD, Ph.D Candidate at U. Kansas ranma@falcon.cc.ukans.edu rhea@tass.org http://www.tass.org/~rhea/falcon.html rhea@maison-otaku.net http://www.maison-otaku.net/~rhea/ "The connection is so abstract, that we have people whose job it is to make sure the paperwork doesn't get totally disconnected from the world. Theoretically, I handle millions of dollars a day, but it is less real than this e-mail. I have never seen our product. I have never seen the sales people. I have never seen a customer." --Robert Lane describes his work as an accountant. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:38:47 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: "Dead Duck" Adventures In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001201162626.009fe450@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Timothy R. Haney wrote: > We could always try to cast Raise Dead Duck :) I wouldn't mind seeing the > Atruaghin Clans put a new spin on the Native American lifestyle and > religion. I'm not sure if the Immortals were used correctly for the area > and sort of feel a bit flat to me. Animal spirits played a big part in > Native American religion but that doesn't seem as important here. Just > seems strange to have that type of culture worshipping the Immortals like > every other region. The only region that actually does seem out of place > without some modifications. But I wouldn't know where to start the > modifications. What doesn't make sense to me is the presence of an essentially stone-age culture surrounded by medieval/renaissance societies. I know, immortal intervention and all, but still it is jarring. I think it would be a LOT more interesting to portray the Atruaghin as "north american natives as they might have been, given the chance to develop to a medieval level of technology". What would they have looked like? How would their religion have developed? Arabia, India, Japan, and others certainly were different then Europe. Atruaghin just seems like a golden opportunity to be really creative. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:43:41 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Ethengar (was "Dead Duck" Adventures) In-Reply-To: ; from xen@VISI.COM on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:21:07PM -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:21:07PM -0600, Eric Anondson wrote: > > Now, I am nearly edging to running my next campaign in the Known World. But > the enigma of Ethengar is sitting there like a great big sore thumb. It's > M-Mongolia and simply seems like a pushover. Like was pointed out already, > they are pinned in on all sides with nearly equal or greater military > powers. Ethengar lacks the whoopass factor of the Mongolian Hordes. Yup, yup, yup! After watching a documentary on the Mongols a few years ago called "Storm From the East" I realised that the Ethengarians really weren't treated as scarily as they could be. My solution to this (adapted from a conversation with Bruce Heard) was to create another group of Mongol like peoples up on the plateu north of Glantri and have them related (or allied in my case) to the Ethengarians. I'm using the World in Flames timeline (sort of) for my game, so I had the Goblinoid hordes ransack Glantri (only saved by Prince Kol becoming dictator and surrendering to the hordes) then destroy Corunglain and ransack most of Darokin. Meanwhile the Ethengarians in alliance with Rockhome didn't attack Heldann, but went for the richer prizes of Ylaruam and Thyatis. At this stage of the campaign Ylaruam has completely fallen and Thyatis is in danger of doing so. Oh, and they took Selenica as well. ObStefan: Of course the Ethengarians wanted a sneaky way into Thyatis so convinced Stefan to let them through, which he did (not much choice really!). This has led to a bit of a civil war in Karameikos with Karameikan/Thyatians vs Traladarans vs Alfheim elves vs Alphatian refugees vs Callari Elves with the Churches getting involved as well. It's lots of fun :) And people are afraid of the Ethengarians again, as it should be :) gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:59:31 -0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: the fullm gazetteer series at ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I buy each in separate (I've got some arteady)? vini. thibault sarlat wrote: > > Here is THE news: > ebay has the full gaz collection to offer > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515381385 > > Thibault Sarlat. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:36:16 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Simbasta & Davania (was: Please Beau don't go!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ranma Al'Thor wrote: > > > Heldannic Block: > > Heldannic Knights, and perhaps Vestland. Uneasy allies with Thyatis. > > Strongest military and aerial power. > > It is "allied" with the Simbasta of Davania. > > > The what of where? What/who are the Simbasta? And where is Davania? Davania: the southern continent (where you can find the Thyatian Hinterlands, the remains of the Milenian Empire, Emerond, etc). References: Voyage of the Princess Ark, the Mystaran Almanacs, Geoff's map of Davania. Simbasta: a lion-like breed of Rakasta. May be based on RW Masai. They defeated the HK when the order decided to create an outpost at Vanya's Rest, on the eastern coast of Davania. The Simbasta dominate the central savannahs of Davania. References: Rakasta of Mystara (Dragon Magazine 247), the HK info by Bruce Heard. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:02:44 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dylan Gault Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos In-Reply-To: <3A29440F.43009547@libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Agathokles wrote: > Actually, the same law existed in AC 1000, both in Kelvin and in > Threshold. Perhaps the CoT doesn't like wizardry (they surely don't like > tea leaves readings and other "folk magic"). You mean CoK, the CoT is full of that stuff (says the CoK). Dylan G ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:54:12 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Amusing Acronyms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my players wondered if there were any more wonderful acronyms as suitable as that for the Church of Karameikos, considering it has plonkers like Kelvin and Oderbry in it (cleaned up version for the list BTW)? >;^)~ The best I can think of is TSR1037 where many seem to dote on either one side or the other but not both. >;^)~ Any others out there? Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:54:44 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: NPC: Edmund Greystone IX In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My first NPC in some time (except for those in the Cynidicea GAZ, written years ago), as I've been rather busy for a while. Comments as always are appreciated (Using Leroy's Rakastan class) Edmund Greystone History: Edmund Greystone IX was born 6 years ago to Sir Greystone of Bellayne, the eighth of his line. He has a younger sister, Margery, age 3. Edmund has received the typical upbringing of a Bellayne noble, as it is expected that he shall take his father's stead in the future. Unfortunately, he has yet to master the dignity and "above the fray" mentality of the nobility and causes quite a scene at many dinners and tourneys, with his antics, which his parents scorn as childish. Sir and Lady Greystone are currently seeking out famed adventurers or other honored and worthy souls to help straighten their son out. Personality: Edmund has absorbed some of the "noble" characteristics his parents desire for him - haughtiness, snobbishness and aloofness. Being nobility, he could care less what commoners (or anyone) thinks of him, believing that he knows what is best. As a result, he has no qualms with spoiling a dinner party by commenting that the Duke of Theeds could stand to lose a little weight or by letting a mouse loose in the middle of a classic play. He has sent numerous nannies and schoolmasters packing in his short life and isn't likely to allow some lowly dungeon-crawlers (especially non-Rakastan ones) to straighten him out. The idea of sentimental values or morality is distant to him, as his parents wouldn't know the meaning of the words. Appearance: Edmund is dressed in the finest garments a Bellayne youth could possibly wear, though they are occasionally dirt-stained, torn or otherwise the worse for wear. His bright yellow fur is also done in the latest fashions, though isn't always combed properly by the young lordling. He stands 3'3" and is of medium build for a Rakastan child. Combat Notes: He is a 1st-level rakasta. AC 9; hp 2; at 2 claws, 1 bite; D 1-2, 1-2, 1-4; save F1; ML 9; Al C; S 7; I 7; W 4; D 12; Co 9; Ch 9. Languages: Bellayne Rakastan. General Skills: Deception (Ch+1), Persuasion (Ch), one unspent. Special skills: Move silently, hide in shadows, heightened senses, ambidexterity, feline empathy, leaping. DMing Notes: Having Edmund's parents hire the PCs on the basis of their fame is a good way to humble both the arrogant child and characters used to having their way with powerful monsters and rulers. To be able to defeat dragons yet unable to stop a 6-year old child can be an interesting experience to bring high-level parties back down to Earth (or, in this case, Mystara). Meanwhile, if they do make a positive impact on the youth, they will have a friend in high places down the line. The parents will have spies placed to monitor the PC's action - if they catch wind of one charm person or hold spell, they're likely to alert the Queen to the adventurers' tampering with the nobility, creating a major enemy for the PCs and a midnight escape out of Bellayne. - Mischa No matter what financial constraints, we must not let our economics guide our ethics, but must let our ethics guide our economics - former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:09:42 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: NPC: Anika In-Reply-To: <20001203145711.YLHK24951.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anika History: Anika is 25 cycles old, having been born in a small village in southern Nithia. The youngest of 7 children, she was angered at the privileges her brothers received which were denied to her. At age 15, this anger had reached the point where she could not keep it contained - she stole a spear from a neighbor and struck her brother dead when no one was around. Fearing reprisal (given her well-known antagonism to her brother), she fled the village and headed alone to the badlands. She managed to survive and eventually found some like-minded souls in a bandit camp. As they were more accepting of female assistance than other Nithians, she joined on and has risen into the rank of leader of these bandits over the past 10 cycles. Personality: Anika is a cold-blooded woman, her human side having been destroyed by years of neglect, second-hand treatment and crime. She feels responsibility for her fellow bandits, but saving her skin comes first. She is a careful soul and doesn't raid caravans that are well-defended nor does she use direct confrontation techniques. Instead, she has worked on perfecting ambush arrangements in the location for years, and has found the optimal sites and methods. She is willing to provide a job for Nithian women fleeing the oppressive restraints of their culture, being an equal-opportunity employer. Appearance: Anika stands a mild 5'0" and weighs just 100 pounds. She is armed at all times with a range of weapons (spear, short spear, javelin and hand axe) and her sole armor are regular desert clothing and three pairs of bracers. She has short black hair and typical Nithian features. Combat Notes: She is a 4th-level fighter. AC 10 (7 if not surprised), hp 20; at 1; D d6+3 (spear, skilled proficiency, strength bonus); save F4; ML 10; Al C; S 13, I 12, W 12, D 7, Co 9, Ch 6. Languages: Nithian, Neathar, Chaotic. General Skills: Bracers (all 3) (D), Nithian weapons (short spear). As always, comments, criticism and such are greatly appreciated. - Mischa No matter what financial constraints, we must not let our economics guide our ethics, but must let our ethics guide our economics - former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:40:10 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Ethengar (was "Dead Duck" Adventures) In-Reply-To: <20001203104341.C31941@esatclear.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Speaking of Ethengar -- You know, I just "consciously" noticed that "Jamuga Khan" has been missing from our community for quite some time now. I wonder what happened to him.... ?? Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- On 3 Dec 2000, at 10:43, Gordon McCormick wrote: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:21:07PM -0600, Eric Anondson wrote: > > > > Now, I am nearly edging to running my next campaign in the Known > > World. But the enigma of Ethengar is sitting there like a great big > > sore thumb. It's M-Mongolia and simply seems like a pushover. Like > > was pointed out already, they are pinned in on all sides with nearly > > equal or greater military powers. Ethengar lacks the whoopass > > factor of the Mongolian Hordes. > > Yup, yup, yup! > > After watching a documentary on the Mongols a few years ago called > "Storm From the East" I realised that the Ethengarians really weren't > treated as scarily as they could be. > > My solution to this (adapted from a conversation with Bruce Heard) was > to create another group of Mongol like peoples up on the plateu north > of Glantri and have them related (or allied in my case) to the > Ethengarians. > > I'm using the World in Flames timeline (sort of) for my game, so > I had the Goblinoid hordes ransack Glantri (only saved by Prince Kol > becoming dictator and surrendering to the hordes) then destroy > Corunglain and ransack most of Darokin. Meanwhile the Ethengarians in > alliance with Rockhome didn't attack Heldann, but went for the richer > prizes of Ylaruam and Thyatis. At this stage of the campaign Ylaruam > has completely fallen and Thyatis is in danger of doing so. Oh, and > they took Selenica as well. > > ObStefan: Of course the Ethengarians wanted a sneaky way into Thyatis > so convinced Stefan to let them through, which he did (not much choice > really!). This has led to a bit of a civil war in Karameikos with > Karameikan/Thyatians vs Traladarans vs Alfheim elves vs Alphatian > refugees vs Callari Elves with the Churches getting involved as well. > > It's lots of fun :) > > And people are afraid of the Ethengarians again, as it should be :) > > gordon > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, > send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the > body of the message. > -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield <==> strawberryJAMM Designs strawberry@jamm.com <==> http://www.jamm.com/jamm/ <--------------------------------------------------------> God said: "Let their be Light." Then he created Earth, vegtables, animals, man and woman. Then God thought: "You know, I should create things I *like*!" So God said: "Let There Be Strawberries!" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:32:03 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Amusing Acronyms In-Reply-To: <20001203160414.71BDA817A@brea.mc.mpls.visi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > One of my players wondered if there were any more wonderful acronyms as > suitable as that for the Church of Karameikos, considering it has plonkers > like Kelvin and Oderbry in it (cleaned up version for the list BTW)? >;^)~ > The best I can think of is TSR1037 where many seem to dote on either one > side or the other but not both. >;^)~ > Any others out there? If you mean acronyms from throughout the Known World? I can pull F.A.E.R.Y. and E.L.F. off the top of my head. These two elven groups in Glantri mostly end up working against each other. E.L.F.: Elven Liberation Front seeks to foil attempts from Clan Belcadiz to restore their supremacy over elves in Glantri. F.A.E.R.Y.: Free Armed Elven Resistant Youth seek the reunification of Erewan and Belcadiz under Dona Carnelia de Belcadiz. They seek out members of the illegal E.L.F. and execute them. Eric Anondson (In case that's what you were asking about) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:05:56 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Cynidicean History (BC 5500-AC Jeff wrote: >Hey Geoff, do you have a list of those brilliant people who helped put it >together? I for one would like to humbly think the obvious geniuses who put >their time and effort into this. Heck, I've never seen such a well done >project by "just a bunch of fans". I could go on and on and on... :) Good idea - I didn't include the cover page when I submitted the whole thing to the List, but if you visit my site, and download the zipped Word version, the credits and everything else are there for all to see. But to set the matter straight: Credits Editor Geoff Gander Contributors Marco Dalmonte Jeff Daly Sharon Dornhoff Geoff Gander Mischa Gelman Jamuga Khan Fabrizio Paoli Clay Postma Tomas Sanchez Andrew Theisen Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:40:32 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Amusing Acronyms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Anondson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Amusing Acronyms > > One of my players wondered if there were any more wonderful acronyms as > > suitable as that for the Church of Karameikos, considering it has plonkers > > like Kelvin and Oderbry in it (cleaned up version for the list BTW)? >;^)~ > > The best I can think of is TSR1037 where many seem to dote on either one > > side or the other but not both. >;^)~ > > Any others out there? > > If you mean acronyms from throughout the Known World? I can pull F.A.E.R.Y. > and E.L.F. off the top of my head. These two elven groups in Glantri mostly > end up working against each other. > > Eric Anondson (In case that's what you were asking about) > Not quite, as they were intentional, but it is nice to know that somebody does actually read some of my utterings. I'm more interested in the accidental ones, if there are any more out there apart from DotE. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:05:36 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Kelvin in Karameikos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dylan Gault wrote: > > Agathokles wrote: > > > Actually, the same law existed in AC 1000, both in Kelvin and in > > Threshold. Perhaps the CoT doesn't like wizardry (they surely don't like > > tea leaves readings and other "folk magic"). > > You mean CoK, the CoT is full of that stuff (says the CoK). Yes, I meant Church of Karameikos. The two barons of Threshold and Kelvin are both patriarchs of the CoK, and those fief are the only ones where this law exists. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:18:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: the fullm gazetteer series at ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unfortunately no... Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Vinicius R. de Moraes To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] the fullm gazetteer series at ebay > Can I buy each in separate (I've got some arteady)? > vini. > > thibault sarlat wrote: > > > > Here is THE news: > > ebay has the full gaz collection to offer > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515381385 > > > > Thibault Sarlat. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:40:56 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Shadow Elf Gaz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is Wizards offering Shadow Elf Gaz online? Where is it? I couldn't find it. Angelo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:44:03 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Selenica Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anyone know who was ruling Selenica around the year 900 AC? The last person ruling from the House of Hallonica I could find was Bertram Hallonica. Angelo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:37:18 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Shadow Elf Gaz In-Reply-To: <20001204000105.919958186@brea.mc.mpls.visi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Is Wizards offering Shadow Elf Gaz online? Where is it? > I couldn't find it. Looks like WotC once did offer it online. I haven't checked lately since they reorganized the site. However, I know I have seen the accessory available on starflung. It is all there sans maps, art, and covers in huge html pages. As a bonus, there is some post-WotI commentary by Roger Moore interspersed through it. Oooooh would I love to get the maps and art for it. http://dnd.starflung.com/gaz13_dm.html and http://dnd.starflung.com/gaz13_pc.html Because old TSR did make these available online once for free, we could have great success having Jim Butler as WotC make the .pdf Shadow Elves accessory available for free also. The Dark Sun fans were successful in getting the Will and the Way .pdf psionics accessory made available free when they pointed out that it was available for years from WotC's servers in a .rtf file. Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:45:00 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Shadow Elf Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Bertolli" To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Shadow Elf Gaz > Is Wizards offering Shadow Elf Gaz online? Where is it? > I couldn't find it. > Try http://www.wizards.com/dnd/DnDDownloads_prev.asp about 1/4 the way down the page is the Mystara stuff including the Shadow Elf Gaz. Hamlet I, v, 166. Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:18:34 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: adrian mattias Subject: Mystaran Alliances Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hulean Empire: > Hule and Sind (occupied). This block is opposed to most others, >though >it may find allies in the HK or the SE. > >Other nations are not directly aligned with any block. Some more info on Hule and Savage Coast alliances: Hule is allied very loosely with Anastyn and Texeiras. Narvaez is allied with Torreon. Saragon and Almarron are allied against Narvaez. Zuyevo and Renardy are allied against Texeiras and Vilaverde. Vilaverde and Cimarron are allied against Zuyevo. Zuyevo is allied with Olgar, the Sendaryan tribes, and Monzag against Hule and Anastyn. The remainder have no formal alliances, although some of the nations of the Midlands (I forget the alliance structure there) may be allied against or for Hule. Adrian _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:35:35 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Ethengar (was "Dead Duck" Adventures) > > Speaking of Ethengar -- You know, I just "consciously" noticed that >"Jamuga Khan" has been missing from our community for quite some time >now. I wonder what happened to him.... ?? > >Jenni A. M. Merrifield IIRC, he unsubscribed (or went into digest mode) due to increased workload/lack of time. He is involved in the Almanac, though. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:04:30 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Shadow Elf Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey guys i did the maps already they are available at mystara.com.bi i know that the hexes are not oriented the right way but they will be soon.... Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Anondson To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Shadow Elf Gaz > > Is Wizards offering Shadow Elf Gaz online? Where is it? > > I couldn't find it. > > Looks like WotC once did offer it online. I haven't checked lately since > they reorganized the site. However, I know I have seen the accessory > available on starflung. It is all there sans maps, art, and covers in huge > html pages. As a bonus, there is some post-WotI commentary by Roger Moore > interspersed through it. Oooooh would I love to get the maps and art for > it. > > http://dnd.starflung.com/gaz13_dm.html > > and > > http://dnd.starflung.com/gaz13_pc.html > > > Because old TSR did make these available online once for free, we could have > great success having Jim Butler as WotC make the .pdf Shadow Elves accessory > available for free also. The Dark Sun fans were successful in getting the > Will and the Way .pdf psionics accessory made available free when they > pointed out that it was available for years from WotC's servers in a .rtf > file. > > > Eric Anondson > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:23:42 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Selenica MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angelo Bertolli wrote: > Does anyone know who was ruling Selenica around the year 900 AC? The last > person ruling from the House of Hallonica I could find was Bertram > Hallonica. Bertram took Rypien Hallonica's place at the head of the family, but Rypien wasn't old enough to have been around in 900 AC. It could have been his father or (probably) grandfather the one who was ruling Selenica at that time. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:40:54 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: James Straight Subject: glantri gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you out there still looking for it, i just noticed one on ebay and thought i'd pass it along. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=516209789 James Straight ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:33:09 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: Working Groups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I will shortly post my project list. To all MMLers >listed as contact people or managers, please let me know ASAP whether the >projects currently listed are accurate, or if anything new has come up, >for which you would like some help. After, the reason for the project >list was to provide a means by which MMLers could find out what is being >done, Mystara-wise, in order to determine if there is a project in which >they would like to participate, or if some fan-generated product would >soon be released, which might be of use to them. > >Thanks, > >Geoff Is this list of projects avaliable at some web site? Darkblood _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:47:11 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Working Groups >Is this list of projects avaliable at some web site? > >Darkblood Yup yup. It's on Shawn's site. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:55:05 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Wake up! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, is it just me or are we all sleeping....yes, I know, real world calls us...for me, it's the university. Sigh. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:04:02 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Wake up! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i thought it was my computer.... but no it is not the alphatians finally blew up their entire continent.... Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroletti To: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Wake up! > Hey, is it just me or are we all sleeping....yes, I know, real world > calls us...for me, > it's the university. Sigh. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:26:31 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: adrian mattias Subject: Re: Wake up! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html

Everyone must have exhausted themselves on the recent Thyatis/Karameikos/Stefan argume... I mean "discussion".

Adrian

>From: thibault sarlat
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> i thought it was my computer.... but no it is not
>the alphatians finally blew up their entire continent....
>Thibault Sarlat.
>ICQ 16622177.
>homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi
>Join me at: clenarius@hotmail.com
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> > it's the university. Sigh.
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******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:47:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Wake up! - I already am! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:04:02 thibault sarlat wrote: > i thought it was my computer.... but no it is not >the alphatians finally blew up their entire >continent.... Hrmph. Why are we Alphatians blamed for everything? I've certainly had enough Mystara (and other RPG) business going on lately - both at the gaming table (no less that 8 players now! I think I'll split it into two groups!), and also here on the net... Plenty of MA stuff to do... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. >Thibault Sarlat. >ICQ 16622177. Should I add that to my own list of ICQ contacts? - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:28:36 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Mystara News, barely... In-Reply-To: <20001205211634.7E54081D5@brea.mc.mpls.visi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just got the new Dungeon magazine. Maybe this is a stretch, but I know the Aranea had long been associated with Mystara. Now it is included in the 3e Monster Manual. Well, the aranea make an appearance in the mega-adventure in the new Dungeon. It is a small bit part. They are essentially guardians to a gate to the Demonweb Pits in this adventure. I hadn't read it deeply but I didn't find there was any motivation for the aranea to be there. They just were there. Anyway... Eric Anondson (Off on an eBay trip to pick up Mystara stuff) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:22:51 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Izondia In-Reply-To: <20001206000516.7CC018102@brea.mc.mpls.visi.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Are there ANY references to the Izondia region of Davania in any Mystara source? Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:32:58 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Wake up! In-Reply-To: <3A2D5629.91C0376F@tin.it>; from scarole@TIN.IT on Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:55:05PM +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:55:05PM +0100, Caroletti wrote: > Hey, is it just me or are we all sleeping... Sleep curse. I think you must have insulted the Stalker once too many times :) gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:07:31 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Mystara News, barely... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:28 PM 12/5/00 -0600, you wrote: > >Maybe this is a stretch, but I know the Aranea had long been associated with >Mystara. Now it is included in the 3e Monster Manual. Well, the aranea >make an appearance in the mega-adventure in the new Dungeon. It is a small >bit part. They are essentially guardians to a gate to the Demonweb Pits in >this adventure. I hadn't read it deeply but I didn't find there was any >motivation for the aranea to be there. They just were there. Probably just thrown in due to their arachnid connections. I haven't read the issue yet (probably won't) but I'd imagine that's all. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:04:47 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Izondia > >Are there ANY references to the Izondia region of Davania in any Mystara >source? > >Eric Anondson In any TSR/WotC-published source? No, AFAIK. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:29:11 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Wake up! - I already am! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed How do you keep track of 8 players, I have a hard time keeping track of 4, all at email. >From: The Stalker >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Wake up! - I already am! >Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:47:28 +0100 > >On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:04:02 thibault sarlat wrote: > > i thought it was my computer.... but no it is not > >the alphatians finally blew up their entire >continent.... > >Hrmph. Why are we Alphatians blamed for everything? I've certainly had >enough Mystara (and other RPG) business going on lately - both at the >gaming table (no less that 8 players now! I think I'll split it into two >groups!), and also here on the net... Plenty of MA stuff to do... and >that's just the tip of the iceberg. > > > >Thibault Sarlat. > >ICQ 16622177. > >Should I add that to my own list of ICQ contacts? > > > - The Stalker > > > >Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:37:40 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Greg Pratt Subject: Immortal from B5 Horror on the Hill? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my current campaign, the group I am DMing for completed Horror on the Hill not too long ago. In doing so they managed to kill nearly all the creatures in the upper levels, save for the cleric Moray Vaco. It occurred to me that he could make for an interesting NPC who is seeking the vengeance on the group for the slaying of his flock of followers (the hobgoblins, goblins, bugbears, and ogres). This has in turn led to my beginning to flesh him out more fully, but in doing so I have been attempting to puzzle out which Mystaran Immortal he follows. I thought I'd gather a few opinions as I can't find one that seems to be a very exact match. Here are a couple of descriptions of statues scattered about in the module: "The statue is a fat, squatting, vaguely humanoid figure, whose face is twisted into a hideous leer." And: "The double doors of this building are elaborately carved with a leering face and grotesque torso. The creatures mouth is gaping open to display row upon row of hideously pointed fangs. Two long, claw-tipped arms are carved in relief: they seem to almost be reaching out to gather in anyone standing before the doors." Another tidbit I noted were that Moray occasionally sacrificed victims. Given the above I was pondering Atzanteotl or Jammudaru as possible patrons. Any thoughts , comments, or better ideas? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:09:41 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Wake up! - I already am! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:29:11 Angelo Bertolli wrote: >How do you keep track of 8 players, I have a hard time keeping track of 4, >all at email. > > So, you do see my problem, don't you? :) Actually, there were 'only' six players last time we played, but I promised a 7th player he could join some time ago, and yet another player has asked to join the group, and I just can't bear to tell him no... Keep track of them? I gave up long ago... Between 10 to 15 rulebooks, coca-cola bottles, chips and other nutrition suitable for role-playing, and a *huge* load of dice, I have more than enough to do just keeping track of all the NPCs... Yet somehow I manage to keep people interested, because they just keep coming back for more. Don't ask me how I do it, because I honestly don't know! I guess it has something to do with having been a DM for more than a decade by now - eventually you get the hang of what you should focus on, which, incidentally, is rarely the rules - if you break the rules then don't worry, because the players *will* tell you! As long as you keep things going, preferably with a good and involving plot, the players don't mind that you're being messy. Some people may recall that I asked about the Fort Lakeside/Bronsdale region of Darokin in AC 1,007 some time ago, because I planned an adventure there. Well, we're playing it now. Basically, the PCs have traveled to this simple town-turned-into-a-fort (a village surrounded by wooden walls and with a new building in the middle as a military outpost), which was quickly assembled to help counter potential orcish attacks after the Meteor strike in 1006. Now that the PCs are there, the goblinoids have indeed invaded the area with an army of hundreds of orcs and trolls! In the town/fort, the PCs have only about a hundred normal men (traveling merchants and peasants mostly) and about thirty soldiers... But I've given them control of the fort, so they must organize all the resources, place soldiers/archers at strategic areas, etc... That gives them *plenty* to do while I get my invaders organized. So I guess in this case the solution was to motive the players - then they'll do most of the work for you! - The Stalker (continuing the siege in about 16 hours!) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:24:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Immortal from B5 Horror on the Hill? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:37:40 Greg Pratt wrote: >In my current campaign, the group I am DMing for completed Horror on the Hill >not too long ago. In doing so they managed to kill nearly all the creatures >in the upper levels, save for the cleric Moray Vaco. It occurred to me that >he could make for an interesting NPC who is seeking the vengeance on the >group for the slaying of his flock of followers (the hobgoblins, goblins, >bugbears, and ogres). This has in turn led to my beginning to flesh him out >more fully, but in doing so I have been attempting to puzzle out which >Mystaran Immortal he follows. I thought I'd gather a few opinions as I can't >find one that seems to be a very exact match. > Be sure to mail the stats and descriptions you did for him here on the list. That way we can all use him if we feel the need. >Here are a couple of descriptions of statues scattered about in the module: >"The statue is a fat, squatting, vaguely humanoid figure, whose face is >twisted into a hideous leer." And: "The double doors of this building are >elaborately carved with a leering face and grotesque torso. The creatures >mouth is gaping open to display row upon row of hideously pointed fangs. Two >long, claw-tipped arms are carved in relief: they seem to almost be reaching >out to gather in anyone standing before the doors." > Funny that you should mention it, because I've been looking over that adventure myself lately (in the B1-9 In Search of Adventure book). >Another tidbit I noted were that Moray occasionally sacrificed victims. > >Given the above I was pondering Atzanteotl or Jammudaru as possible patrons. >Any thoughts , comments, or better ideas? > Hmmm, maybe Orcus? Though the description is different, I thought Demogorgon would be an ideal candidate here, for some reason. Perhaps because we rarely use Demogorgon at all... Then again, even Alphaks or Thanatos would be possible, but the description still doesn't fit so well. I guess you could you Leptar, because he was never described in details contrary to this - all I ever read him described him as a "male humanoid figure covered with short, dark fur all over his body except on his hands and feet". Then again, that would not be ideal for Moray Vaco's Immortal patron, because he's described as an inactive Immortal. But, if you like him you could change that, I suppose... - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:27:20 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Wake up! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:32:58 Gordon McCormick wrote: >On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 09:55:05PM +0100, Caroletti wrote: >> Hey, is it just me or are we all sleeping... > >Sleep curse. I think you must have insulted the Stalker once too many >times :) > LOL. Glad to see I'm fam... notorious! :) - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:39:18 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: Immortal from B5 Horror on the Hill? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2000 9:36:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, alphatian@ANGELFIRE.COM writes: << Hmmm, maybe Orcus? Though the description is different, I thought Demogorgon would be an ideal candidate here, for some reason. Perhaps because we rarely use Demogorgon at all... >> Yeah, as an old 1rst Ed AD&D and D&D player, I've got a soft spot for Orcus. With all the politics of the Immortals in Mystara, a good old fashioned "Demon worship cult" is always a nice enemy. He's my vote, especially when you remember his old AD&D role as having the undead in his/it's portfolio. You could then find ways to tie both this 'Horned Cult" (my name) and the cleric NPC into any module/adventure you run with undead involved. Hey, anybody else notice that this description of an evil shrine shows up a lot in many of the modules before they got 'truely' mystara specific as the setting developed? BoBoII ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:48:50 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Non-WOTI timeline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Does anyone have an almanac-style timeline for the years AC 1000 to AC 1009? I think it would be an interesting project to do a retro series of mini-alamanacs covering this transition period between "classic" mystara and "new" mystara. Also, has anyone done up an alternate, non-WOTI timeline? Is such a thing available on the web somewhere? Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:26:01 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Armies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well most of my problem is that my players are not really concerned about what's going on in the game. Actually, they've basically been that way for 8 years. The past 4 years I've been really slow at DMing for them because I moved and started college. It took a couple years for people to even get email accounts. Then after that (and now) I don't have much time for it. So many other things going on in life, I really just didn't bother with it... But recently I have been trying to do things over email, I'll give you a scenario of the thing I'm talking about, and maybe give me some advice. 4 of the 5 players are all at some tournaments, and after my visit back to Houston where we played the first day of the tournaments, I decided to continue over email. When I first sent the email, everyone responded. One player just wanted to have a nice night the first night with his wife. A second player was really just waiting for the next day. The third player was summoned by some clerics because they want to destroy a sword he has. Actually, I really didn't want to do this, but it was just so natural and expected that to not put this scenario up would be to control the game too much with no reality. This player ends up stalling for a week or two until I finally just decide the clerics are giving up on him. And the fourth player had stolen the third player's items during one of the tournaments, and is trying to keep herself invisible the entire time while purchasing items in town, (I think) trying to frame the third player somehow, and generally just taking a REALLY long time to do anything. I'm all for players getting to do what they want and having fun, but the way I see it, the first 2 players lose out because they have to wait so long for everyone to get through with what they're doing. Furthermore, by the time I finally cut the other players off for not getting to the point, the first 2 players have lost interest in what was going on, and the second 2 are not interested cause they didn't get to do everything they wanted to do. I had no problems with this sort of thing gaming in real life, but there must be a good system for gaming over email. >From: The Stalker Reply-To: Mystara To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Wake up! - I already am! Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 >03:09:41 +0100 > >On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:29:11 Angelo Bertolli wrote: >How do you keep track >of 8 players, I have a hard time keeping track of 4, >all at email. > > > >So, you do see my problem, don't you? :) > >Actually, there were 'only' six players last time we played, but I promised >a 7th player he could join some time ago, and yet another player has asked >to join the group, and I just can't bear to tell him no... > >Keep track of them? I gave up long ago... Between 10 to 15 rulebooks, >coca-cola bottles, chips and other nutrition suitable for role-playing, and >a *huge* load of dice, I have more than enough to do just keeping track of >all the NPCs... Yet somehow I manage to keep people interested, because >they just keep coming back for more. Don't ask me how I do it, because I >honestly don't know! I guess it has something to do with having been a DM >for more than a decade by now - eventually you get the hang of what you >should focus on, which, incidentally, is rarely the rules - if you break >the rules then don't worry, because the players *will* tell you! > >As long as you keep things going, preferably with a good and involving >plot, the players don't mind that you're being messy. Some people may >recall that I asked about the Fort Lakeside/Bronsdale region of Darokin in >AC 1,007 some time ago, because I planned an adventure there. Well, we're >playing it now. Basically, the PCs have traveled to this simple >town-turned-into-a-fort (a village surrounded by wooden walls and with a >new building in the middle as a military outpost), which was quickly >assembled to help counter potential orcish attacks after the Meteor strike >in 1006. Now that the PCs are there, the goblinoids have indeed invaded the >area with an army of hundreds of orcs and trolls! In the town/fort, the PCs >have only about a hundred normal men (traveling merchants and peasants >mostly) and about thirty soldiers... But I've given them control of the >fort, so they must organize all the resources, place soldiers/archers at >strategic areas, etc... That gives them *plenty* to do while I get my >invaders organized. > >So I guess in this case the solution was to motive the players - then >they'll do most of the work for you! > > >- The Stalker (continuing the siege in about 16 hours!) > > > >Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > >******************************************************************** The >Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The >Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email >to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the >message. > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:06:48 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Armies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angelo Bertolli wrote: > > I'm all for players getting to do what they want and having fun, but the > way > I see it, the first 2 players lose out because they have to wait so long > for > everyone to get through with what they're doing. Furthermore, by the > time I > finally cut the other players off for not getting to the point, the first 2 > players have lost interest in what was going on, and the second 2 are not > interested cause they didn't get to do everything they wanted to do. > > I had no problems with this sort of thing gaming in real life, but there > must be a good system for gaming over email. I usually try to either keep the players together, so that one doesn't have to wait for weeks while the others bargain with a shopkeeper, or having them act within different timeframes, syncronizing them at when they meet. Obviously, this works only when the characters have to travel for long times to reach a meeting point. In my campaign, the PCs are currently spread along the eastern gulf of Hule, so that, when they will reach the meeting point, I will be able to delay the arrive of the various groups in order to have them reach the meeting point in the same order in real time and game time. If you have splinter groups composed by a single PC, you can play some scenes (especially those which would require a lot of real time, but only a few turns of game time) by ICQ or any other synchronic communication system. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:59:12 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Immortal from B5 Horror on the Hill? In-Reply-To: <23.4892e5a.276035d4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 PM 12/6/00 EST, you wrote: > >Here are a couple of descriptions of statues scattered about in the module: >"The statue is a fat, squatting, vaguely humanoid figure, whose face is >twisted into a hideous leer." And: "The double doors of this building are >elaborately carved with a leering face and grotesque torso. The creatures >mouth is gaping open to display row upon row of hideously pointed fangs. Two >long, claw-tipped arms are carved in relief: they seem to almost be reaching >out to gather in anyone standing before the doors." The description sounds a bit like Cretia (a picture of him is in X3: Curse of Xanathon) except for the fat bit. Otherwise, it might also be Leptar (from B9: Castle Caldwell and Beyond, the adventure with the cleric and the bell- can't think of the name offhand.) >Given the above I was pondering Atzanteotl or Jammudaru as possible patrons. >Any thoughts , comments, or better ideas? Jammudaru might work. He is a patron of humanoids, and is the patron of Revenge as well. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:04:27 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Non-WOTI timeline In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:48 PM 12/6/00 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone have an almanac-style timeline for the years AC 1000 >to AC 1009? I think it would be an interesting project to do a >retro series of mini-alamanacs covering this transition period >between "classic" mystara and "new" mystara. Interesting. Hadn't thought of that, myself. Though I'm exploring that period on the Isle of Dawn in my "Twilight of the Dawn" series of stories/articles. Chapters 1-3 available now at the Tome of Mystara (http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome); Chapter 4 coming very soon! >Also, has anyone done up an alternate, non-WOTI timeline? Is such a >thing available on the web somewhere? At least a couple. There's Geoff's alternate Alphatian timeline (post WotI), and there's Bruce Heard's "World In Flames" alternate post-WotI timeline. Okay, maybe not non-WotI, but non-post Wrath. :) Both can be found on Shawn Stanley's website (http://dnd.starflung.com) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:23:53 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Non-WOTI timeline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Does anyone have an almanac-style timeline for the years AC 1000 to AC 1009? I think it would be an interesting project to do a retro series of mini-alamanacs covering this transition period between "classic" mystara and "new" mystara. << I've actually been thinking of doing this for quite a while, although to be truthful I simply haven't had the time. If I did you can be sure that a majority of the events would change however. I'd be interested in working on such a project if you wanted to get it started. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:06:31 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Armies In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Quoting Angelo Bertolli : > Well most of my problem is that my players are not really concerned about > what's going on in the game. Actually, they've basically been that way for > 8 years. That seems a wee bit strange. Why play if you're not interested in the game? Perhaps you're saying they have no interest in the campaign world itself? So, have "reality" sneak up and bite them on the behind every once in a while. Engage them. Have recurring NPCs, especially enemies. A recurring enemy will get the characters focussed, and will build interest as they start to really, really dislike the guy. =;) It's more interesting if you ensure that it's inconvenient to act directly against him/her/it. Like in a city/court setting, etc. Recurring good guys can help, too. Friends, employers, mentors, etc., each have their own motivations and by considering those, and what their actions would be, you maintain the illusion of continuity and real time passage. But, I digress. Over e-mail, set time limits for players to act. You wouldn't give a player two hours to decide in combat whether to draw a sword or drink a potion, so don't let them have two weeks over e-mail to decide whether to talk to some clerics that sent him a message! It's easier if you can build consensus with your players about what's reasonable for time limits, and what exceptions to have, but if necessary, be a tyrant and just decide on a limit that is best for the group as a whole. Maybe that's 12 hours, maybe that's 48 hours, but IMO two weeks is ridiculously too long for a small set of decisions. Break it down decision by decision, if necessary, to move things along. If they wait too long, have the normal consequences of time passage affect them. Procrastinating in the game world, as IRL, is a kind of default decision and results /do/ come of it. - If they don't pay their taxes on-time, have the constabulary visit them. - If they don't reply to a message sent by an NPC, have them worry, get angry, or whatever would be in character for the NPC, and then have them act accordingly. A vindictive noble might take insult. A lover might panic. Etc. I see the DM's job as to move the story along, not to control the characters, but to guide the plot with the help of character intervention. When the characters don't intervene, well, the world goes on without them, possibly to their chagrin ... . > The past 4 years I've been really slow at DMing for them because I > moved and started college. It took a couple years for people to even get > email accounts. Then after that (and now) I don't have much time for > it. So many other things going on in life, I really just didn't bother with > it... > > But recently I have been trying to do things over email, I'll give you a > scenario of the thing I'm talking about, and maybe give me some advice. 4 > of the 5 players are all at some tournaments, and after my visit back to > Houston where we played the first day of the tournaments, I decided to > continue over email. When I first sent the email, everyone responded. > > One player just wanted to have a nice night the first night with his > wife. > > A second player was really just waiting for the next day. > > The third player was summoned by some clerics because they want to destroy a > sword he has. Actually, I really didn't want to do this, but it was just so > natural and expected that to not put this scenario up would be to control > the game too much with no reality. This player ends up stalling for a week > or two until I finally just decide the clerics are giving up on him. See above. When time passes, stuff happens. You probably did the right thing, by just having something happen, although I would examine the motivations of the clerics and, if it was important enough to them, they might actually visit the character and "escort" him someplace to resolve the issue with the sword. > And the fourth player had stolen the third player's items during one of the > tournaments, and is trying to keep herself invisible the entire time while > purchasing items in town, (I think) trying to frame the third player > somehow, and generally just taking a REALLY long time to do anything. Well, I have a comment about party unity. IMO, it's generally sucky to have the characters actively working against each other. This is the sort of thing that should happen to the PC's enemies, not to each other. I've never had a good experience with a player that tried to mess things up for another person's character. It eventually comes out in the group as bad feeling, and the fun is rather lost. [snip of comments about slow e-mail players ruining it for the quick ones] [snip of Stalker's message from the "Wake up!" thread] I hope this POV helps. -Auld Skald ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:57:26 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Non-WOTI timeline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J > > I've actually been thinking of doing this for quite a while, although to be truthful I > simply haven't had the time. If I did you can be sure that a majority of the events > would change however. > I'd be interested in working on such a project if you wanted to get it started. > > John Ladies and gentlemen, another guy who's too busy for those things but would gladly join the above mentioned fellows (maybe using in the alternate 1000-1009 my Wyrmteeth Gaz...do you remember we talked about this, John?) Iulius Sergius Scaevola The Man from Port Lucinius Happy Drinker of Non-Alcoholic Liquors ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:34:05 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Armies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks. >From: Wizards Shopper >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Armies >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:06:31 -0800 >Well, I have a comment about party unity. IMO, it's generally sucky to >have >the characters actively working against each other. This is the sort of >thing >that should happen to the PC's enemies, not to each other. I've never had >a >good experience with a player that tried to mess things up for another >person's >character. It eventually comes out in the group as bad feeling, and the >fun is >rather lost. I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. While I think it's important that they do what they want and have fun, they might have more fun being civil to each other, even with rivalry. This particular player hasn't played very much and is kind of distant from the others, but also seems to be very greedy and looking out for number one. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:39:09 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: List Postings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is it okay to send things like new magical items, spells, monsters, rules, anything, etc. to the mailing list? Of course it's only mystara, RC is the only thing I play. Angelo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:18:41 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa E Gelman Subject: Re: List Postings In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Is it okay to send things like new magical items, spells, monsters, rules, > anything, etc. to the mailing list? Of course it's only mystara, RC is the The list exists for such postings. Bring 'em on! - Mischa Learn to do well: seek justice, relieve the oppressed, protect the fatherless, provide for the widow - Isaiah 1:17 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:45:05 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: List Postings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Mischa E Gelman >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] List Postings >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:18:41 -0500 > >The list exists for such postings. Bring 'em on! > >- Mischa > Very well then. My good friend Jeff designed some or all of these spells. The thing I really like about his spells is that they are unique. I get really tired of seeing just another version of fireball. Even if the damage is calculated differently, a damage spell is usually just a damage spell (at least from what I've seen online). But here are some of the pretty unique spells that I have posted on my page. I hope you like them. (M refers to magic-user, C refers to cleric) M1 Keepsake by Jeff Querner (allows students to study spells when they are ready from mentor book): When keepsake is cast on your magic book, it disallows use of your book by anyone not mentioned in the spellcasting. The spell can even allow you to distinguish WHICH spells WHICH people may or may not look at. If someone attempts to read your spell without your authority (decided when you cast the spell), a note appears saying "naughty, naughty." However, keepsake does not stop anyone from destroying the spellbook. M4 Cause Minor Pain by Angelo Bertolli (range: 60', duration: instant, effect: one creature): This spell attempts to disrupt the very life force of one creature. This powerful spell does 1d10 points of damage per level of the caster to one creature within range, with a save vs spells for half damage. M4 Magic Mirror by Jeff Querner (range: nil, duration: 1 turn per level, effect: creates a magic mirror): Creates a magic mirror through which the caster can view other creatures or areas (operates like a crystal ball with clairaudience). Detection and vision spells can be cast into it, allowing the caster to detect magic, see invisible, etc in the area he is viewing. M5 Dream by Jeff Querner (range: Material Plane, duration: special, effect: communicate with another creature): This allows the caster to visit and communicate with another creature through the victim's dream. If the victim does not wish to have the dream, he can make a save vs spells to wake up. This spell does NOT cause the victim to fall asleep. The caster can try to give nightmares by attacking the victim in his dreams, creating illusions, etc. however these things have no real effect. Should the caster want to cast this spell on a creature who is awake, they will merely be able to communicate telepathically. M9 Nexus by Angelo Bertolli (range: 120', duration: instant, effect: one creature): When this spell is cast upon a creature, it "shuffles" its abilities scores. The victim may save vs spells to avoid the effects. This dreaded attack is non-reversible, and can cause special problems for characters with minimum attribute requirements (DM's discretion). One method of randomly determining the shuffle is to roll 1d6 for each attribute and swap that attribute with the number of the attribute indicated by the roll. It is possible to end up with the same attributes. This spell is almost useless against monsters because most monsters are considered to have the "average" score for all their abilities (DM's discretion). C1 Refresh by Angelo Bertolli (range: touch, duration: 6 turns, effect: refreshes one creature): This spell will refresh a creature who is hungry, thirsty, and/or tired. They will be able to act, think, and fight with complete ability for the duration of the spell. C3 Sacrifice by Angelo Bertolli (range: touch, duration: permanent, effect: transfers hit points): This spell allows the cleric to sacrifice 2d6 of his own hit points to give to another creature. The recipient may make a saving throw vs spells if they are conscious and do not want the extra hit points. The revers of this spell "Drain Life" allows the cleric to drain 2d6 hit points from the victim, and transfer them to himself as healing. This is considered a chaotic act. If you're interested in any other ones, you can take a look at http://members.fortunecity.com/abertoll/text/codex.html Angelo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:51:39 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: List Postings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:39:09 Angelo Bertolli wrote: >Is it okay to send things like new magical items, spells, monsters, rules, >anything, etc. to the mailing list? Of course it's only mystara, RC is the >only thing I play. > Sure. I believe the list rules say that the stuff must be specific to the Mystara setting, so no 'Botched attacks fumble-tables' or 'Miscast magic tables', or other house rules should be here, though we've seen a few things that were similar (particularly some of the recent 3e feats and so), and there have been no complaints about it, either. I guess the List Orc (or whatever he calls himself) lets us post pretty much what we want as long as it doesn't flood the list. I've sent magical items and spells to the list myself, and monsters have appeared here to. I guess rules shouldn't go here, unless they're tied to Mystara directly (like the halfling Master feats for 3e Beau posted some time ago)... Otherwise correct me, somebody. - The Stalker Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:46:00 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Maps for B1-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi!!! Oh, I missed the big Brun-shaking discussions, but I underwent some serious trouble with email and I had to register with a new address. After 3 months in New York, my Mystara collection has expanded!!!! Just today I got a good copy of B1-9 I got at a real good bargain, but but but, the item description was a bit misleading and it's missing some maps... that's not so much (I have B2-4 as individual modules), but there are some 10 pages out, I think that maps for all of B5 and B8 and part of B6, B7, B8 and B9 (as well as for the "interludes"). I wonder if I could get some help in getting those maps, probably not the original version but some sketchy "rough outs", just enough for running the adventures. If anybody could help, I would be mostly grateful. Answer to me privately to avoid fulling the list. Thank a lot Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:39:19 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed However, I've seen people mention years up to 2000 AC. I'm not sure how long the history of Mystara stretches, but characters in my game MAY be moving into the future, permanently. I was thinking about having it almost post-apocalyptic, with most of civilizations having been destroyed and overgrown with plants and monsters. Should be very interesting as I've always wanted to try Gamma World for that reason, but I'd much rather do it under a fantasy setting in Mystara instead. How far into the future would be a recommended time for this kind of thing to happen? Angelo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.