========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 03:13:19 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Daniel Mayer Subject: Re: NPC: Flosi Hammerhand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Well, it seems that I am getting really good at unnerving the list's magic users... > ...I don't fear fireballs nor curses. Thyatians never surrender to the enemy. I > would prefer being burnt to ashes than accepting sheepily your menaces. > 8-) > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Proud Fighter > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > See, Stalker? He stepped down from captain to "proud fighter" :)) A little more mails and he�ll be a "fighter-to-be" and then "boy-to-be"... :) And it would deliver no fun to burn him to ashes... Hey, soldier, I didn�t mean to replace a "fireball" with a "double-helix-fireball" or something more strong. In that I�m the same opinion with Stalker. Here a drop of acid and here... Ok, that would be evil. *I* won�t do that. But in your dreams... no harm but a little mental excercise. Even "proud fighters" have to sleep sometimes ;) Ah, I�ll think on something more fun. Post scriptum: My PCs were UNDERpowered for their level. In my adventures always brain brought more Exp and Items than muscles. I was quite sorry they didn�t get more items :)) Daniel Mayer Laren Nightmaster Tower of Dreams ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:34:57 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello everyone that's thibault sarlat (the wild mapper) i happen to hvae caught the hybris virus (spiral and all). i remember martin mathes saying how to get rid of it. = Martin you said it was available for your university members to download t= he solution , but then we need a password and login. may we use your? if not do you think possible to send the antivirus files to me? (but before warn me on how much it is in term of Mb). i would really appriciate to get rid of that scum cause it spreaded out to= my girl friend computer too. thanks very much. PS My anti virus soft is Fsecure (from data-fellows.com) even with the latest update , it can only spot it on the HD but cannot cur= e the system. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:09:43 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Martin Mathes Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? Wizards Shopper said: > hello everyone that's thibault sarlat (the wild mapper) > i happen to hvae caught the hybris virus (spiral and all). > i remember martin mathes saying how to get rid of it. > Martin you said it was available for your university members to download the solution , but then we need a password and login. > may we use your? > if not do you think possible to send the antivirus files to me? > (but before warn me on how much it is in term of Mb). > i would really appriciate to get rid of that scum cause it spreaded out to my girl friend computer too. > thanks very much. > > PS My anti virus soft is Fsecure (from data-fellows.com) > even with the latest update , it can only spot it on the HD but cannot cure the system. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > Uh, my university is really managed by nice guys, at http://www.uni-essen.de/hrz/antivirus/rahmen-download.html everyone can download the anti-virus-programm. Actually they say it is for members only ;) the download of the latest release feb 2001, is 7.1 mb and kills all the tiny monsters. Martin -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:36:00 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: NPC: Flosi Hammerhand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > He stepped down from captain to "proud fighter" :)) I don't like hiding under titles. > But in your dreams... no harm but a little mental excercise. Even "proud > fighters" have to sleep sometimes ;) Ah, I�ll think on something more > fun. Sleep is sleep. I have never feared true enemies, should I fear nightmares? > Post scriptum: My PCs were UNDERpowered for their level. In my > adventures always brain brought more Exp and Items than muscles. I was > quite sorry they didn�t get more items :)) Well, see, the only thing Flosi had that upset me was that Valkyrie call thing. I never said anything about Aurelius. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:40:56 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Never the Same - 4. Philip Ramsey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PHILIP RAMSEY 22nd Vatermont 979, Akorros, Republic of Darokin. History: Philip Ramsey is the son of two commoneers. He worked for years as an apprentice to a smith, and became soon an incredibly strong young man. When he was 16, he was noticed by an adventurer named Lothian, who asked him to join him if he knew a little about fighting. Ramsey had a little knowledge of fighting with the sword, so he joined without a thought the adventurer, as he was bored by his life as a smith. Lothian was a disciple of the Thyatian subversive Fabritius Luscinia, and he soon indoctrinated his young friend into hating the political institutions, State and society, and filled him with the desire to throw down the institutions. However, Lothian�s job had been too good: disliking Lothian because he was affiliated with the Ten Thousand Fists of the Khan, Ramsey left, living thereafter free of any political bond, an anarchist uninterested in society. He earns his living by adventuring for those who has a need for him, especially aiding those who have problems with society, the lawless, and so on. Ramsey met Kull in AC 1001, soon after he had decided to become willingly a wereboar after having saved a small harmless community from adventurers who wanted to kill them and accuse them of thefts they had committed. He hasn�t changed his living style since the encounter with Boar and the birth of �Never the Same�, and, like Hyatt, he has sometimes refused to participate to the group�s missions. He doesn�t have a home, and relies on his friends wherever he may roam. Personality: Ramsey is a true chaotic neutral. He doesn�t actively hates society, but he dislikes it and cannot comprehend how people can live under bonds that really doesn�t exist, like he did in his youth as a smith apprentice. His quest in life is to help people who live outside society to defend themselves from it, and eventually to bring the downfall of some parts of society. Ramsey is a friend of Kull and Hyatt, but doesn�t like Buzby�s involvement with organized subversive organizations, nor Weston�s ideals. Appearance: Ramsey is really a giant boar: he is nearly two meters tall, a little overweight, but icredibly strong. He has short blonde hair, blonde beard and green eyes. He seems a very savage man, always wandering around with adventuring clothes, uncaring if he is in the city or the wilderness. He likes drinking and eating, and is very fond of women�s company, wheter they are whores or girls who are captured by his savage, powerful and a little �animal� look (and they are not few- he has a lot of girlfriends in different towns of Darokin and Karameikos!). Stats (OD&D, AC 1010): Wereboar 3rd - Fighter 13th. Str 18, Int 12, Wis 11, Dx 8, Cos 16, Cha 11 Alignment: Chaotic neutral. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:09:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you but there seem to be a problem with the site and the download... i tried twice from diffferent places (and so different computers) and i couldn't get it.... can you check please? Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Mathes To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] how to get rid of the Hybris virus? > Wizards Shopper said: > > > hello everyone that's thibault sarlat (the wild mapper) > > i happen to hvae caught the hybris virus (spiral and all). > > i remember martin mathes saying how to get rid of it. > > Martin you said it was available for your university members to download > the solution , but then we need a password and login. > > may we use your? > > if not do you think possible to send the antivirus files to me? > > (but before warn me on how much it is in term of Mb). > > i would really appriciate to get rid of that scum cause it spreaded out to > my girl friend computer too. > > thanks very much. > > > > PS My anti virus soft is Fsecure (from data-fellows.com) > > even with the latest update , it can only spot it on the HD but cannot cure > the system. > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > Uh, my university is really managed by nice guys, at > > http://www.uni-essen.de/hrz/antivirus/rahmen-download.html > > everyone can download the anti-virus-programm. > > Actually they say it is for members only ;) > > the download of the latest release feb 2001, is 7.1 mb and > kills all the tiny monsters. > > Martin > > > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:36:06 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? In-Reply-To: <000701c08c7a$2f3e88a0$de789ec2@duke> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll re-iterate paul's sergestion as I took his advice, try inoculate IT. It seems good, but I would be interested to know if it can catch and kill this thing. http://antivirus.ca.com/ (follow the download free software link). My previous anti-virus was Norton antivirus but the #@$%eds require you to pay an annual subscription to continue to get virus updates. So if inoculate IT doesn't see this thing I want to know.... and this is the best way I can think of to "test" it. Chris. P.S. who bought the trail map? P.s.s. I'd try it but I can't read the language. --- thibault sarlat wrote: > thank you but there seem to be a problem with the > site and the download... > i tried twice from diffferent places (and so > different computers) and i > couldn't get it.... > can you check please? __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:37:30 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Martin Mathes Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? Chris Furneaux said: > I'll re-iterate paul's sergestion as I took his > advice, try inoculate IT. It seems good, but I would > be interested to know if it can catch and kill this > thing. > > http://antivirus.ca.com/ (follow the download free > software link). > > My previous anti-virus was Norton antivirus but the > #@$%eds require you to pay an annual subscription to > continue to get virus updates. So if inoculate IT > doesn't see this thing I want to know.... and this is > the best way I can think of to "test" it. > > Chris. > > P.S. who bought the trail map? > P.s.s. I'd try it but I can't read the language. > i am terrible sorry but the "nice guys" of my university seem to have closed their door :( so i to advice you to use the INOCULATE programm. or maybe they only have killed their main machine again ;) as they do in a more or less regular pattern ;) So for reasons not clear to me, some of my homepage was only from within the university. At least they have fixed this . . . . for the moment. Martin ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:10:22 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: paths to entropy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i remember a while back there were posts re paths to entropy, recently whilst searching for something else i rediscovered a path i created. it was really a mishmash of all the others but made somewhat harder. it now follows let me know what you think. Path of the Defiler (Entropy) Trial: The Defiler must search for an artifact belonging to each of the other four spheres, and either destroy it or corrupt it in some manner.this will be a major undertaking, the details of which will be decieded by the immortal sponsor. Quest: The Defiler must recover a lost or stolen artifact of entropy and return it to his sponsor. He must also defile a temple of each of his sponsors immortal enemies. This must be a temple in an urban area not some rural shrine. Testimony: The Defiler must force twelve people into his worship and lay down the method of worship, his sponsor will grant their clerical powers for now. Each follower must attain twelfth level while in the defiler's service. The Defiler must also change the land in some corrupting manner for a thousand miles in diameter. Task: The Defiler must challenge eight members of each class available to his race, to a one on one duel, each must be at least 25th level or above. He must either kill them or corrupt them. He must also be acknowledged the superior of all in the area he altered. He must erect a vast temple to himself, so that his worship will have a focus point from which to spread. so what do you think. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:24:42 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I'll re-iterate paul's sergestion as I took his > > advice, try inoculate IT. It seems good, but I would > > be interested to know if it can catch and kill this > > thing. > so i to advice you to use the INOCULATE programm. > > Martin > i had the hybris virus a short while ago and found that at the time inoculateIT couldn't solve the problem. norton however does. hope this helps, if you have innoculateIT try it, if not see if you can get norton. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:07:59 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's ok you can cure your system using AVX a shareware available at www.telecharger.com in the antivirus section it works fine!!!!It bursted out this hybris worm.... thanks again Martin. Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Mathes To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] how to get rid of the Hybris virus? > Chris Furneaux said: > > > I'll re-iterate paul's sergestion as I took his > > advice, try inoculate IT. It seems good, but I would > > be interested to know if it can catch and kill this > > thing. > > > > http://antivirus.ca.com/ (follow the download free > > software link). > > > > My previous anti-virus was Norton antivirus but the > > #@$%eds require you to pay an annual subscription to > > continue to get virus updates. So if inoculate IT > > doesn't see this thing I want to know.... and this is > > the best way I can think of to "test" it. > > > > Chris. > > > > P.S. who bought the trail map? > > P.s.s. I'd try it but I can't read the language. > > > > i am terrible sorry but the "nice guys" of my university seem to have closed > their door :( > > so i to advice you to use the INOCULATE programm. > > or maybe they only have killed their main machine again ;) as they do in a > more or less regular pattern ;) > > So for reasons not clear to me, some of my homepage was only from within the > university. At least they have fixed this . . . . for the moment. > > > Martin > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:32:30 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: paths to entropy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting one, Mortus. And gives interesting ideas for the Sacred Butter adventure... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:45:51 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: paths to entropy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Trial: > The Defiler must search for an artifact belonging to each of the other four > spheres, and either destroy it or corrupt it in some manner.this will be a > major undertaking, the details of which will be decieded by the immortal > sponsor. Isn't this too difficult? And wouldn't other Immortals send a dozen of paladins to destroy the Defiler? > He must also defile a temple of each of his sponsors > immortal enemies. This must be a temple in an urban area not some rural > shrine. Same comment as before. Well, now I really hope this won't get me another wizard enemy, I already have enough of them...8-) > The > Defiler must also change the land in some corrupting manner for a thousand > miles in diameter. Good. Reminds of Energy, but it is nonetheless a good-difficult task... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:46:45 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Never the Same - 5. Raymond Weston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RAYMOND WESTON 19th Vatermont 980, Akorros, Republic of Darokin. ------------------------------------------------------------- History: Weston was born in Akorros, member of a wealthy merchant family. He grew up in luxury and comfort, a well educated man who decided that he would become a paladin of the wrong causes in the world. However, he had a personal idea of what was wrong in the world: all that negated freedom was wrong. He hated Glantri and its magiocracy, but also Darokin and its plutocrats, among whom his family was. He left home at 18 and begun as a common adventurer, waiting for the good occasion to help bringing the downfall of what he saw as wrong in the world. He entered Glantri, where he became a werefox (although no-one knows exactly HOW), and there he met several members of the Canine Protection Society and of the Free Farmers. With Chris Buzby he performed acts of sabotage against the Anachronists of Aalban, and then, in AC 1004, he met Harold Boar and the other members of what would become �Never the Same�. Weston has spent the last years coordinating �Never the Same� with Buzby, and along with him and Kull he is the only one to have taken part in all of the party�s missions. He has a small flat in Akorros and one in Vyones, the latter sometimes used as a refuge also by members of the Free Farmers. Personality: Weston is consumed by the desire to change the world in better. He sees in the limitation of personal freedoms the problem that afflicts the Known World. Even if he thinks that all countries are more or less illiberal, he is particularly concentrated on Glantri, and more recently he has taken to heart the problem of the Shadow Elves. Weston is always involved in a project or another. He never rests a moment, has nerves of steel, but is also forcing them over the edge of their resistance. Sometimes he becomes so tired that he must rest for days, under the attention of his eternal fiancee, Cathy Serfson. Weston is the leader of �Never the Same�, and is a very determined and strong-willed man. Appearance: Raymond Weston is a man of middle height; he is thin, with blue eyes and light brown hair. He has a prominent nose, is always perfectly clean-shaven, and dresses usually in gray and green. He has always a worried expression and seems overly serious in everything he does. Stats (OD&D, AC 1010) Werefox 4th - Fighter/Merchant 9th/4th. Str 11, Int 14, Wis 16, Dx 14, Cos 11, Cha 13 Alignment: Lawful neutral. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 03:34:11 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: The usual IC banter (was: NPC: Flosi Hammerhand) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:36:00 Caroletti wrote: >> He stepped down from captain to "proud fighter" :)) > >I don't like hiding under titles. > Oh yes, that's right, you finally learned - didn't give you much cover against those Fireballs, right? So what do you like to hide under now? ;) >> But in your dreams... no harm but a little mental excercise. Even "proud >> fighters" have to sleep sometimes ;) Ah, I4ll think on something more >> fun. > >Sleep is sleep. I have never feared true enemies, should I fear nightmares? > You should if I'm involved, as we all know that I'm your worst nightmare! :) (snip rest) - The Stalker (preparing to cast his Dream spell...) Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:42:14 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Never the Same - 5. Raymond Weston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One comment on his alignment - the strong beliefs in personal freedoms and anti-establishment sentiments seem more like Chaotic attributes than Lawful. Or am I missing something? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroletti" To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Never the Same - 5. Raymond Weston RAYMOND WESTON 19th Vatermont 980, Akorros, Republic of Darokin. ------------------------------------------------------------- History: Weston was born in Akorros, member of a wealthy merchant family. He grew up in luxury and comfort, a well educated man who decided that he would become a paladin of the wrong causes in the world. However, he had a personal idea of what was wrong in the world: all that negated freedom was wrong. He hated Glantri and its magiocracy, but also Darokin and its plutocrats, among whom his family was. He left home at 18 and begun as a common adventurer, waiting for the good occasion to help bringing the downfall of what he saw as wrong in the world. He entered Glantri, where he became a werefox (although no-one knows exactly HOW), and there he met several members of the Canine Protection Society and of the Free Farmers. With Chris Buzby he performed acts of sabotage against the Anachronists of Aalban, and then, in AC 1004, he met Harold Boar and the other members of what would become 'Never the Same'. Weston has spent the last years coordinating 'Never the Same' with Buzby, and along with him and Kull he is the only one to have taken part in all of the party's missions. He has a small flat in Akorros and one in Vyones, the latter sometimes used as a refuge also by members of the Free Farmers. Personality: Weston is consumed by the desire to change the world in better. He sees in the limitation of personal freedoms the problem that afflicts the Known World. Even if he thinks that all countries are more or less illiberal, he is particularly concentrated on Glantri, and more recently he has taken to heart the problem of the Shadow Elves. Weston is always involved in a project or another. He never rests a moment, has nerves of steel, but is also forcing them over the edge of their resistance. Sometimes he becomes so tired that he must rest for days, under the attention of his eternal fiancee, Cathy Serfson. Weston is the leader of 'Never the Same', and is a very determined and strong-willed man. Appearance: Raymond Weston is a man of middle height; he is thin, with blue eyes and light brown hair. He has a prominent nose, is always perfectly clean-shaven, and dresses usually in gray and green. He has always a worried expression and seems overly serious in everything he does. Stats (OD&D, AC 1010) Werefox 4th - Fighter/Merchant 9th/4th. Str 11, Int 14, Wis 16, Dx 14, Cos 11, Cha 13 Alignment: Lawful neutral. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:57:18 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: M Novy Subject: Re: how to get rid of the Hybris virus? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I dont know but hotmail actually blocked me from the email that tried to send it to me. >From: thibault sarlat >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] how to get rid of the Hybris virus? >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:07:59 +0100 > >that's ok >you can cure your system using >AVX a shareware available at www.telecharger.com >in the antivirus section >it works fine!!!!It bursted out this hybris worm.... >thanks again Martin. > > >Thibault Sarlat. >ICQ 16622177. >homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi >Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr >or at >clenarius@hotmail.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: Martin Mathes >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:37 PM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] how to get rid of the Hybris virus? > > > > Chris Furneaux said: > > > > > I'll re-iterate paul's sergestion as I took his > > > advice, try inoculate IT. It seems good, but I would > > > be interested to know if it can catch and kill this > > > thing. > > > > > > http://antivirus.ca.com/ (follow the download free > > > software link). > > > > > > My previous anti-virus was Norton antivirus but the > > > #@$%eds require you to pay an annual subscription to > > > continue to get virus updates. So if inoculate IT > > > doesn't see this thing I want to know.... and this is > > > the best way I can think of to "test" it. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > P.S. who bought the trail map? > > > P.s.s. I'd try it but I can't read the language. > > > > > > > i am terrible sorry but the "nice guys" of my university seem to have >closed > > their door :( > > > > so i to advice you to use the INOCULATE programm. > > > > or maybe they only have killed their main machine again ;) as they do in >a > > more or less regular pattern ;) > > > > So for reasons not clear to me, some of my homepage was only from within >the > > university. At least they have fixed this . . . . for the moment. > > > > > > Martin > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:48:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone. here is the thing. The domain name "mystara.com.bi" will only be valid for a month. So i picked a new domain name which is http://www.mystara.fr.st I hope this will not bother you too much, but i cannot do anything about it . Thanks for your attention!! NB: I intend to change the rotating thing on my frontpage because to my surprise , lots of people seem to be irritating by it. Don't be afraid , i won't do worse!!! Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:35:37 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Never the Same - 5. Raymond Weston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Eustace wrote: > One comment on his alignment - the strong beliefs in personal freedoms and > anti-establishment sentiments seem more like Chaotic attributes than Lawful. > Or am I missing something? Probably you are right...but the point I was trying to get to was this: while a chaotic is generally believed to be the one who "would rather save his friends than the society", even if he is good, Raymond Weston wants to change society into his personal idea of justice and right. Personally I think that a terrorist could be considered lawful neutral on some basis, too- he believes that only his chiefs are the law, and that nothing else has to be respected. Wheter this means that his alignement is chaotic or lawul is more a matter of perspective than anything else...it's very difficult to judge it. Wulf von Klagendorf was chaotic, when he invaded the Heldann Freeholds? And then he became lawful when he became the law? I don't know... However this is simply another demonstration of how miserable the alignement system is compared to the human mind's complexity...8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:40:36 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: The usual IC banter (was: NPC: Flosi Hammerhand) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh yes, that's right, you finally learned - didn't give you much cover against those Fireballs, right? So what do you like to hide under now? ;) Annoying wizards corpses. 8-) > You should if I'm involved, as we all know that I'm your worst nightmare! :) Actually my worst nightmare is being pursued by a horde of hairy-toed roly-poly halflings with forks and knives who scream "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to try a Captain-with-Pommes? It has to be delightful !!!" > Who needs Cupid? Stalker.com is the place to meet somebody. So is this your idea of magic-using? Making money on the back of poor misguided fools? 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:07:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we've got 97 votes until now! Who'll be the 100th vote?????? The 100th voter will win a fantastic present that a Thyatian soldier will bring directly to your home! Here is the current situation: Alfheim: 6 Alphatia: 9 Bellayne: 2 Broken Lands: 1 Cynidicea: 1 Darokin: 6,5 Dunwick: 1 Ethengar: 3 Five Shires: 2 Glantri: 14 Heldann: 1 Hule: 2 Ierendi: 1 Karameikos: 17 Minrothad: 1 Nithia: 1 Northern Reaches: 2,5 Norwold: 4,5 Rockhome: 3 Serraine: 1,5 Thyatis: 10 Shadow Elves: 1,5 Wendar: 1,5 Yavdlom: 1 Ylaruam: 4 Send your vote to the list, or, if you are shy, to scarole@tin.it Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:09:55 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? In-Reply-To: <3A7AE956.D5C71A59@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Caroletti wrote: > Well, we've got 97 votes until now! > Who'll be the 100th vote?????? > The 100th voter will win a fantastic present that a Thyatian soldier > will bring directly to your home! Great! Nothing like a hot, steaming heap of death :) My favorite nation is Serraine, go Gnomes! Random Technology! Yeah! Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:06:29 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: A Dark Portal - Nightmare Project Page Updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, this will be the last weekend of Mystaran work for me for a long long time, then I will mostly reduce myself at the zero point. I have made another update at the Dark Portal, the Nightmare's Project Page, at http://www.geocities.com/iuliusscaevola/ There is only one new article ("Mitili: A thread from the past?"), available at http://www.geocities.com/iuliusscaevola/Mystara/mitili.htm but I have changed format to a lot of pages, trying to improve a little the graphic (and thus reading) quality of the site. Feedback akways appreciated, greetings ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:51:00 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Martin Mathes Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? SteelAngel said: > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Caroletti wrote: > > > Well, we've got 97 votes until now! > > Who'll be the 100th vote?????? > > The 100th voter will win a fantastic present that a Thyatian soldier > > will bring directly to your home! > > Great! Nothing like a hot, steaming heap of death :) > > My favorite nation is Serraine, go Gnomes! Random Technology! Yeah! > > > Ethan > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > oh no, i guess the prize will be a delicious thyatin soldier meal. (as the thyatians are connected to rw greeks and romans, the soldiers live on oatmeal porridge and blackpudding, brrrrrrr) enjoy :) Martin Oh, i forgot a lot of onions and garlic, too. -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:21:38 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Daniel Mayer Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Caroletti wrote: > > Well, we've got 97 votes until now! > Who'll be the 100th vote?????? > The 100th voter will win a fantastic present that a Thyatian soldier > will bring > directly to your home! > > Here is the current situation: Yes. A very good opportunity :) Send me a loyal soldier of Thyatis. Could be a nice experience to talk to the intellectual elite of Thyatis. My vote is to Glantri. Not because I was trained in Glantri, but it was really a experience no one should miss. The GAZ delivers a reliable system for the creation of magic items and a nice background. With the secret circles a young mage may be more powerful than he should be... And the ideas of our technical produkts (of the real world, you know :) transferred to magic is funny. The umbrellas are useful, indeed :) I�m quite sorry that my pool of GAZ-knowledge is small. So my vote is influenced in a way. I don�t know the Clans, Ylari, Irendi, and some other. So I�ll wait for the ring of my door bell. Proud fighters are always fun to talk to :) Daniel Mayer Laren Nightmaster Tower of Dreams P.S.: Please tell him to take the usual way to the entrance, as proud fighters always do. Else something could happen to him (I don�t know *all* of the old defensive spells yet...) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:00:03 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: paths to entropy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Isn't this too difficult? And wouldn't other Immortals send a dozen of > paladins to destroy the Defiler? > entropy has enemies in four spheres therefore they need tough recruits this makes only the strongest most powerful candidates likely to succeed, or the craftiest. > > He must also defile a temple of each of his sponsors > > immortal enemies. This must be a temple in an urban area not some rural > > shrine. > > Same comment as before. Well, now I really hope this won't get me another > wizard enemy, I already have enough of them...8-) > same reply as above, and as long as were allied in our hatred of alphatia i will allow minor indiscretions. anyway by urban i include small towns like threshold, and it doesn't have to be in broad daylight, just as long as it's not some pokey little shrine in ahamlet miles from anywhere with only 1 low level defender. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:48:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh, i forgot a lot of onions and garlic, too. > -- Good for vampires. And for the heart. Never seen a soldier of my cohort who died for heart attack. 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:53:14 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Yes. A very good opportunity :) Send me a loyal soldier of Thyatis. > Could be a nice experience to talk to the intellectual elite of Thyatis. Is this irony? Tell me if it is irony, because I am so stupid that I probably don't understand it. 8-) > So I�ll wait for the ring of my door bell. Proud fighters are always fun > to talk to :) Presumptuous wizards too. 8-) > P.S.: Please tell him to take the usual way to the entrance, as proud > fighters always do. Should there be a reason for entering from somewhere else? Only mages exit from their tower diving from an open window at the 3rd floor, trying to impress fools, or am I wrong? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:33:24 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Richard du Lanza MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RICHARD DU LANZA 2nd Klarmont 980, Vyones, Nouvelle Averoigne, Glantri. ------------------------------------------------------------------ History: Richard du Lanza was born in Nouvelle Averoigne, son of a minor nobleman of Vyones. Du Lanza was soon sent to the Great School of Magic, where they recognized in him a big magical potential. Du Lanza begun studying, but after his twelve years he began to show hints of a decadent and intimately presumptuous personality. He began to see with disdain his teachers, because he knew already things they told him. He began to see his friends as pitiful, and began indulging in physical pleasures like drugs and soon sex. He became a refined dandy, a gentleman always in first line offering expensive and luxurious parties, helped in this by the immense wealth his father had gathered (thanks to several good handles with Darokinian merchants). Du Lanza began adventuring at twentyone, spending his time mostly in the company of henchmen, but sometimes with other adventurers, that quickly abandoned him when they had enough of his egotic personality. The abandoning of the Great School and his presumption has however prevented him from getting to the deepest knowledge of magic. Richard became involved in the late days of the Wrath of the Immortals War with some worshippers of a "demon-dragon", Kthurbash, and managed to open a gate that made possible his appearance on Mystara in 1011, but was nearly slain to death if it wasn't for the intervention of a party of adventurers among whom was the human fighter Arimor. After being rescued, Du Lanza abandoned his plans to become Baron, and abandoned politics for some time. As Kthurbash killed nearly all his followers before returning to his home plane (wherever that may be), Du Lanza finds himself without a goal, and fears that someone could discover his involvement in Kthurbash's appearance in Glantri. Just to keep in line with his personality, he has begun to give again big parties, and is indulging in carnal pleasures more than before. Personality: Irritating, decadent, effeminated, presumptuous, annoying, sharp-tongued, charming and voluptuous, Du Lanza is the perfect dandy, who indulges in his decadent activities and enjoys morbid passions. He loves dark magic, vampires, has a tower in Boldavia and one in Nouvelle Averoigne, has a lot of lovers of all types and features (from aristocratic elves to farmer's daughters), and is a total narcissist. However he seems also to be irresistible to women. Appearance: Du Lanza has curly blonde hair, kept half-long, green eyes, delicate features, pale skin and long, slim fingers. He is of medium height, very slim, and likes to dress in white or black, with vaporous and comfortable dresses. He has a black and golden cloak that he never leaves, and that is in fact a cloak of protection +3. Stats (OD&D, AC 1012) Human Magic User 13. Str 10, Int 17, Wis 9, Dex 13, Cos 9, Cha 14 Alignment: Chaotic neutral (evil). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:11:21 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Donnelly Jr Subject: Re: BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thibault sarlat wrote: > > NB: I intend to change the rotating thing on my frontpage because to my > surprise , lots of people seem to be irritating by it. > Don't be afraid , i won't do worse!!! I just wish I wouldn't get a popup each time I change a page. I'm not a fan of popups in the first place, then to get one in a language I can't read is worse. :( I *think* it has something to do with cookies, but I'm not completely sure. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:25:15 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Never the Same - 5. Raymond Weston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroletti" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Never the Same - 5. Raymond Weston > Dan Eustace wrote: > > > One comment on his alignment - the strong beliefs in personal freedoms and > > anti-establishment sentiments seem more like Chaotic attributes than Lawful. > > Or am I missing something? > > Probably you are right...but the point I was trying to get to was this: > while a chaotic is generally believed to be the one who "would rather save > his friends than the society", even if he is good, > Raymond Weston wants to change society into his personal idea of justice and > right. Personally I think that a terrorist could be considered lawful neutral on > > some basis, too- he believes that only his chiefs are the law, and that nothing > else > has to be respected. Wheter this means that his alignement is chaotic or lawul > is more a matter of perspective than anything else...it's very difficult to > judge it. > Wulf von Klagendorf was chaotic, when he invaded the Heldann Freeholds? > And then he became lawful when he became the law? I don't know... > However this is simply another demonstration of how miserable the > alignement system is compared to the human mind's complexity...8-) > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Captain of the XXth Cohort > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > Yes, I agree that the alignment system is convoluted, but it is also widely mis-understood. Some folks I know thought that Lawful, Neutral, and Chaotic were degrees of good or evil, such that LG is the "most good", then NG, and CG was only "kind of good". My take is that Good, Neutral and Evil describe the character's motives and inner nature, while the Lawful, Neutral, Chaotic axis describes how they went about accomplishing their motives (with Lawful being an orderly, regimented, organized approach with an emphasis on society, and with Chaotic being disorganized and in favor of individual freedoms and rights. LN would indicate organization and rigidity without regard to good or evil, while CN would be a desire to live one's live according to his own whim's and desires w/o societal constraits, but also, w/o an overly strong moral compass). I could elaborate further, but I'm not sure if the list wants a huge dissertation on alignment right now. In the case of Klagendorf, I would say that he would have been Lawful all along since the Heldann Freeholds were probably a CG "nation". They were a dis-organized group of various villages w/o any central authority who highly valued the rights of the individual. Wulf, as a Lawful, would have seen a need for a strong central gov't and invaded to change the staus quo. From his perspective as a Lawful, this would have been just what the Chaotic Heldanners needed. In short, Lawfuls like order and central authority, while Chaotics value individual rights. So, yes, I think a terrorist could be LN, especially if he belonged to an organization that's goal was to impose order on a region. But a smaller band of freedom fighters struggling against an established, orderly central gov't would more likely be Chaotic. An example from U.S. history would be the Vietnam War. Those in favor of the gov't's position in fighting the war, doing it for their country, etc. would have been more in the Lawful camp. On the other side, the hippy protesters ("the gov't has no right to force us to fight in a war that we think is wrong!") were standing up for their individual freedom of choice which would be toward Chaotic. > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 03:47:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: The usual IC banter (was: NPC: Flosi Hammerhand) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:40:36 Caroletti wrote: >> Oh yes, that's right, you finally learned - didn't give you much cover against those Fireballs, right? So what do you like to hide under now? ;) > >Annoying wizards corpses. 8-) > Yes, I would imagine you Thyatians have plenty of those after we won the war ;) >> You should if I'm involved, as we all know that I'm your worst nightmare! :) > >Actually my worst nightmare is being pursued by a horde of hairy-toed roly-poly >halflings with forks and knives who scream "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to try >a Captain-with-Pommes? It has to be delightful !!!" > Well, okay, I guess I can arrange that... :) >> Who needs Cupid? Stalker.com is the place to meet somebody. > >So is this your idea of magic-using? Making money on the back of poor >misguided fools? 8-) > I agree - standing on your back is hardly magic :) - The Stalker (off to the Shires on some urgent business!) Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 03:54:07 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:53:14 Caroletti wrote: >> Yes. A very good opportunity :) Send me a loyal soldier of Thyatis. >> Could be a nice experience to talk to the intellectual elite of Thyatis. > >Is this irony? Tell me if it is irony, because I am so stupid that I >probably >don't understand it. 8-) > Of course it is - the "loyal soldier of Thyatis" bit is a dead giveaway, a clear contradiction in terms if ever I saw one ;) >> So I4ll wait for the ring of my door bell. Proud fighters are always fun >> to talk to :) > >Presumptuous wizards too. 8-) > How would I know? I've never met any... :) >> P.S.: Please tell him to take the usual way to the entrance, as proud >> fighters always do. > >Should there be a reason for entering from somewhere else? Only mages >exit from their tower diving from an open window at the 3rd floor, trying >to impress fools, or am I wrong? > Yes, you're wrong. Fighters exit from the 3rd floor (or higher) too, when they say things like that to wizards! :) - The Stalker, opening the window... Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:43:59 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Donnelly Jr Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Stalker wrote: > On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:53:14 > Caroletti wrote: > >> Yes. A very good opportunity :) Send me a loyal soldier of Thyatis. > >> Could be a nice experience to talk to the intellectual elite of Thyatis. > > > >Is this irony? Tell me if it is irony, because I am so stupid that I > >probably > >don't understand it. 8-) > > > > Of course it is - the "loyal soldier of Thyatis" bit is a dead giveaway, a clear contradiction in terms if ever I saw one ;) Point for the Alphatian. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:18:49 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I'll put in my 2 cents. My favorite regions include Minrothad, Darokin, Shadow Elven Caverns, Yavdlom, and I'll throw in Robrenn and Herath, too. In the HW it would be Milenia, Nithia, and the Merry Pirate Seas. I pretty much like it all, but my vote will have to go to NORWOLD, since that's where my campaign has been based out of since '87. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroletti" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:07 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] What's your favourite nation? > Well, we've got 97 votes until now! > Who'll be the 100th vote?????? > The 100th voter will win a fantastic present that a Thyatian soldier > will bring > directly to your home! > > Here is the current situation: > > Alfheim: 6 > Alphatia: 9 > Bellayne: 2 > Broken Lands: 1 > Cynidicea: 1 > Darokin: 6,5 > Dunwick: 1 > Ethengar: 3 > Five Shires: 2 > Glantri: 14 > Heldann: 1 > Hule: 2 > Ierendi: 1 > Karameikos: 17 > Minrothad: 1 > Nithia: 1 > Northern Reaches: 2,5 > Norwold: 4,5 > Rockhome: 3 > Serraine: 1,5 > Thyatis: 10 > Shadow Elves: 1,5 > Wendar: 1,5 > Yavdlom: 1 > Ylaruam: 4 > > Send your vote to the list, or, if you are shy, to scarole@tin.it > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Captain of the XXth Cohort > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:57:56 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: The usual IC banter (was: NPC: Flosi Hammerhand) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Yes, I would imagine you Thyatians have plenty of those after we won the war ;) WHO WON WHAT????? WHAT???!?!?!??!?!??!?! 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Wrath of the Immortals War Veteran Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:00:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: What's your favourite nation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Caroletti wrote: > > >> Yes. A very good opportunity :) Send me a loyal soldier of Thyatis. > > >> Could be a nice experience to talk to the intellectual elite of Thyatis. > > > > > >Is this irony? Tell me if it is irony, because I am so stupid that I > > >probably > > >don't understand it. 8-) > > > > > > > Of course it is - the "loyal soldier of Thyatis" bit is a dead giveaway, a clear contradiction in terms if ever I saw one ;) > > Point for the Alphatian. Would be a point if I said I would send a loyal soldier of Thyatis. But I never said that, Mr. Nightmaster said that. 8-) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:58:05 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Raymond Weston's alignement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what do you suggest as his alignement? Chaotic neutral? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain et al Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:41:08 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Raymond Weston's alignement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say either CN or even CG, since he is concerned with righting the wrongs of the world (from his perspective). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroletti" To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Raymond Weston's alignement > So what do you suggest as his alignement? Chaotic neutral? > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Captain et al > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:24:04 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Ogg.: [MYSTARA] A Dark Portal - Nightmare Project Page Updated Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 It'd be more interesting for PCs to deal with Mitili in their original Mitili form, methink: what about designing more accurately their 4 millions years old-world and some adventures in it? Federico Il Fri, 02 February 2001, Caroletti ha scritto: > > Ok, this will be the last weekend of Mystaran work for me for a long > long time, > then I will mostly reduce myself at the zero point. I have made another > update > at the Dark Portal, the Nightmare's Project Page, at > http://www.geocities.com/iuliusscaevola/ > > There is only one new article ("Mitili: A thread from the past?"), > available at > http://www.geocities.com/iuliusscaevola/Mystara/mitili.htm > > but I have changed format to a lot of pages, trying to improve a little > the graphic (and thus reading) quality of the site. > > Feedback akways appreciated, > greetings > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:03:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= Subject: Re: BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <007801c08ce4$1c0e3860$8c759ec2@duke> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hello, I just had a look at http://www.mystara.fr.st (Thib's new home), and it looks really excellent. I like the new layout (even though I wasnt the one complaining about the old site). This is one of the most useful Mystara websites out there and it complements dnd.starflung.com perfectly. Like others, I never liked popups, but hey, thats the way it works. Another thing I think should be changed is that every time i click on a link, it opens in a new window. Thib, if you can, do fix that one :) H�vard Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc "God created man in his image, and then man returned the favour." -Voltaire ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:46:42 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ok i'll do it the reason it was working that way was because i have a really slow access (28800 ) and that i figured that for people who have the same kind of access it's better not to have to reload a page everytime. But since everyone seems to agree on that i'll do the changes soon. I am curerently learning to use Flash 5. How about my front page in flash 5? Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.com.bi Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: H�vard To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! > Hello, > > I just had a look at http://www.mystara.fr.st (Thib's new home), and it > looks really excellent. I like the new layout (even though I wasnt the > one complaining about the old site). This is one of the most useful > Mystara websites out there and it complements dnd.starflung.com perfectly. > > Like others, I never liked popups, but hey, thats the way it works. > Another thing I think should be changed is that every time i click on a > link, it opens in a new window. Thib, if you can, do fix that one :) > > H�vard > > Haavard R. Faanes (hoc@nvg.ntnu.no) > http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc > > "God created man in his image, and then man returned the > favour." -Voltaire > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:26:12 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <002501c08f7a$13aa8be0$047f9ec2@duke>; from thibsylv@CLUB-INTERNET.FR on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 02:46:42PM +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 02:46:42PM +0100, thibault sarlat wrote: > > I am curerently learning to use Flash 5. > How about my front page in flash 5? I'd recommend against having your front page in flash, especially for the folks with slow access it can make getting onto the site rather tricky and time consuming. Better to have the flash accessable to those who want to see it (like me!) and not forced upon those who wont be able to view it. Just imho gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:08:52 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Mystaran Alphabets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm working on a DM's utility program which will take a message written in english and translate it into an image constructed from various rune images (which are either mapped to letters or specific words). These images can then be overlayed onto maps, or other player handouts. Anyway, I've already gotten the runes from the Five Shires gaz mapped, as well as the Auld Gnomish alphabet from The Norther Reaches gaz. I know there are also Northmen runes in that gaz (and I may work on those next). The other published alphabets/writing systems that I'm aware of are : The Nithian hieroglyphics system An Azcan calendar system (IIRC) So my question for the list is this: Are there any other published Mystaran alphabet/rune systems that might lend themselves to a translation program? And of course, if there are, where might I find them? Thanks, John ===== Rule #46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:37:11 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Ogg.: [MYSTARA] A Dark Portal - Nightmare Project PageUpdated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Federico Kaftal wrote: > It'd be more interesting for PCs to deal with Mitili in their original Mitili form, methink: what about designing more accurately their 4 millions years old-world and some adventures in it? > > Federico "Time waits for nobody" (Freddie Mercury) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:50:31 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Mystaran Alphabets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >I'm working on a DM's utility program which will take a message written in english and >translate it into an image constructed from various rune images (which are either mapped >to letters or specific words). These images can then be overlayed onto maps, or other >player handouts. Well, I happen to have already written a similar utility for my dissertation, in javascript: you write a line of text in standard latin-1 alphabet, and a array function turns the string into different UniCode sets for browser display... well, now I just have Hebrew, but, with the big range of exotic alphabets which Unicode 3.0 offers -runes were included, IIRC- that's a lot!! For all of you who want to put exotic RWbased alphabets, i really recommend http://www.unicode.org And, if anyone is interested, i can send you my small Javascript utility, you can alter the function and array control, as well as the target unicode pointers, to fit your taste for the exotic or arcane! Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:45:20 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Mystaran Alphabets In-Reply-To: <20010205160852.10667.qmail@web1203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:08 AM 2/5/01 -0800, you wrote: > >So my question for the list is this: Are there any other published Mystaran >alphabet/rune systems that might lend themselves to a translation program? And of >course, if there are, where might I find them? The elven runes from module CM8: Tree of Life- note that these are identical to the Northmen runes (though with slightly different names, IIRC). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:18:04 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <002501c08f7a$13aa8be0$047f9ec2@duke> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- thibault sarlat wrote: > ok i'll do it > the reason it was working that way was because i > have a really slow access > (28800 ) and that i figured that for people who have > the same kind of access > it's better not to have to reload a page everytime. > But since everyone seems to agree on that i'll do > the changes soon. I'm going to have to support your decision. I like the seperate windows, and I'm always opening seperate windows anyway. For a slow conection and even a fast one I think it is a superior way to browse. However you can do it by right clicking and open in a new window so if you don't have them then both parties win. > I am curerently learning to use Flash 5. > How about my front page in flash 5? Probally not wise, too much to download. It could be quite fun to have a flash version of the site though. I myself just finished doing all the lessons in flash 5 and I'm still not fully sure what to do with it. >This is one > of the most useful > > Mystara websites out there and it complements > dnd.starflung.com perfectly. agreed. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:22:41 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Mystaran Alphabets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >So my question for the list is this: Are there any other published Mystaran >alphabet/rune systems that might lend themselves to a translation program? And of >course, if there are, where might I find them? The elven runes from module CM8: Tree of Life- note that these are identical to the Northmen runes (though with slightly different names, IIRC). << Oh, that's interesting. I never noticed that before. I guess I'll have to drag out my copy of CM8 and check it out. Thanks for the tip! If that covers all of the published material, has anyone out there concocted their own Mystaran alphabets that they would be willing to send me? John ===== Rule #46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:30:36 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Mystaran Alphabets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> So my question for the list is this: Are there any other published Mystaran >> alphabet/rune systems that might lend themselves to a translation program? The runes of Essuria from X11? -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:04:18 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: Mystaran Alphabets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wrote two short essays on the subject in a Tome of Mystara (I think it was #3 or 4), one about the Alphatian language, and one about the numeral systems of various cultures. The numeral systems article contains some images about the numbers in some exotic systems, or a description of how they are constituted that could easily be converted into pictures and worked into a conversion utility. The Alphatian language article doesn't contain pictures, though there is a list of the letters, and some explanations on how they are woven into magical language in the aristocratic Alphatian (something probably undoable with a simple conversion utility, though it would be an interesting project), and the mundaner Alphatian. FYI the Alphatian language in the tome article is based on RW Greek, Hebrew, various Babylonian-era languages (though not Assyrian), celtic and nordic runes, plus some fantasy and Mystaran canon and non-canon elements. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:11:44 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Mystaran Alphabets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As an aside on this thread: I once devised an alphabet for the Thyatian/Common language that I thought would have the right look for semi-literate adventurers whose players are fluent in English but no other languages. What I came up with was basically a hybrid of the Greek and Cyrillic alphabets -- which is familiar but not completely readable by most English speakers. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:02:54 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Stef McCarter Subject: A little help In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010205154520.00806100@pop.wans.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I signed up for this on Digest, but I'm not gettign it that way, can someone tell me how to switch it so I get it on digest? 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I wish I could get that on my desktop. Mike >From: thibault sarlat >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] BIG CHANGES IN MYSTARA.COM.BI !!!!!!!!! >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:46:42 +0100 > > >I am curerently learning to use Flash 5. >How about my front page in flash 5? > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:21:42 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: CoK Campaign MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT (If any of my players are on this list, DO NOT READ THIS!) I am working on a new Mystara campaign. In a nutshell, an Old One (the creator) reveals himself to a cleric and appoints the cleric to start a new monotheistic church which does not recognize the immortals as true gods, but which does recognize them as caretakers of Mystara. The purpose of this is to shake the immortals out of their complacency and bring about reform, not to replace them. At first everyone assumes the cleric is just another fanatic who casts spells by the strength of his alignment, but after a while immortals notice that he is getting his power from an external, unknown source. Once the immortals figure out that an Old One is involved and granting spells to a cleric, they become polarized and tensions rise to the breaking point. Certain factions will attempt to destroy the cleric and the new church. Eventually this culminates in the events of WotI. The cleric of course knows nothing of this. He has in fact been brought from another world, told only that "I have a mission for you". He will probably be shocked to learn that the people here worship "mere immortals" rather than true gods, as well as by the fact that immortality is even attainable. (The players are new to Mystara, so being from another world gives them an in-game reason for ignorance.) I had originally intended to start in AC1000, with the cleric joining and reforming the CoK who already have some unusual theology. But it occurred to me that I could instead start in AC965 or even 949, send the cleric to Machetos where he starts a fledgling church under the tolerant rule of Stefan's father (anyone know his name?) A young Stefan is an early convert and champion of this new faith. Sherlane is another promising young convert. When persecution from other immortals starts Thyatis frowns on the new religion, and the subsequent founding of the Duchy of Karameikos is partially motivated by wanting to get the heretics out of Thyatis, as well as religious folk looking for an isolated haven to relocate. Stefan takes Traladara and the entire church goes with him, becoming the CoK. Having founded an entire church and helped set up a kingdom, the cleric may be a candidate for immortality and the patron of the CoK. I like this because it lets the player do something really major - founding a new church and taking part in the establishment of a new kingdom, plus adventuring in a Mystara that is not quite so civilized. The only drawback here is that there is little information on Karameikos around AC960, so I'd be winging it. Also the region is far less settled: communities are small and roads are bad. Ther is no Black Eagle, no Traladaran freedom fighters, no royal campaign to push back the goblins, etc. So I'm looking for ideas for the period 960-1000. Anyway, I'd love to hear other ideas and comments, especially from those who are knowledgeable about timelines and such. (Yes I know this diverges from canon slightly, but I don't care) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:19:04 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: CoK Campaign MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that this is a really cool campaign idea, Mike. Sounds like loads of fun. >> The only drawback here is that there is little information on Karameikos around AC960, so I'd be winging it. Also the region is far less settled: communities are small and roads are bad. Ther is no Black Eagle, no Traladaran freedom fighters, no royal campaign to push back the goblins, etc. So I'm looking for ideas for the period 960-1000. Anyway, I'd love to hear other ideas and comments, especially from those who are knowledgeable about timelines and such. (Yes I know this diverges from canon slightly, but I don't care) << My suggestion is to check out Jenn's Traladara Mini-Gaz. It can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/valerya1/traladara/ I'm sure you'll be able to find plenty of usable material there. Let us know how it turns out! John ===== Rule #46. If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:44:53 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "paul.benfield" Subject: Re: CoK Campaign In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, This sounds like a really good campaign idea! I'd definitely like to know how it goes. I run games in AC1000 but I still treat Karameikos as very much a frontier country with civilisation limited to the roads and rivers; the vast expanses of wilderness and forest inbetween are home to wild creatures and humanoid tribes. Good luck Paul Benfield (paul.benfield@ntlworld.com) -----Original Message----- From: Mystara [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of Mike Harvey Sent: 07 February 2001 10:22 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: [MYSTARA] CoK Campaign (If any of my players are on this list, DO NOT READ THIS!) I am working on a new Mystara campaign. In a nutshell, an Old One (the creator) reveals himself to a cleric and appoints the cleric to start a new monotheistic church which does not recognize the immortals as true gods, but which does recognize them as caretakers of Mystara. The purpose of this is to shake the immortals out of their complacency and bring about reform, not to replace them. At first everyone assumes the cleric is just another fanatic who casts spells by the strength of his alignment, but after a while immortals notice that he is getting his power from an external, unknown source. Once the immortals figure out that an Old One is involved and granting spells to a cleric, they become polarized and tensions rise to the breaking point. Certain factions will attempt to destroy the cleric and the new church. Eventually this culminates in the events of WotI. The cleric of course knows nothing of this. He has in fact been brought from another world, told only that "I have a mission for you". He will probably be shocked to learn that the people here worship "mere immortals" rather than true gods, as well as by the fact that immortality is even attainable. (The players are new to Mystara, so being from another world gives them an in-game reason for ignorance.) I had originally intended to start in AC1000, with the cleric joining and reforming the CoK who already have some unusual theology. But it occurred to me that I could instead start in AC965 or even 949, send the cleric to Machetos where he starts a fledgling church under the tolerant rule of Stefan's father (anyone know his name?) A young Stefan is an early convert and champion of this new faith. Sherlane is another promising young convert. When persecution from other immortals starts Thyatis frowns on the new religion, and the subsequent founding of the Duchy of Karameikos is partially motivated by wanting to get the heretics out of Thyatis, as well as religious folk looking for an isolated haven to relocate. Stefan takes Traladara and the entire church goes with him, becoming the CoK. Having founded an entire church and helped set up a kingdom, the cleric may be a candidate for immortality and the patron of the CoK. I like this because it lets the player do something really major - founding a new church and taking part in the establishment of a new kingdom, plus adventuring in a Mystara that is not quite so civilized. The only drawback here is that there is little information on Karameikos around AC960, so I'd be winging it. Also the region is far less settled: communities are small and roads are bad. Ther is no Black Eagle, no Traladaran freedom fighters, no royal campaign to push back the goblins, etc. So I'm looking for ideas for the period 960-1000. Anyway, I'd love to hear other ideas and comments, especially from those who are knowledgeable about timelines and such. (Yes I know this diverges from canon slightly, but I don't care) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:35:28 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "A. Steve Duncan" Subject: Blockmoor's Real Current Location? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe this has been answered umpteen million times and I'll admit to not knowing the FAQs inside and out but if Blackmoor's location was moved to the North Pole with the Pole Shift, and there is a gaping hole in the Pole that enters the Hollow World then what really happened to Blackmoor? Does it now exist as broken, fragmentary, ice-covered, mist-enshrouded islands on the rim of the world as one descends around the gateway? Sorry if this an RTFM question. I'm hoping gentle beings such as yourselves won't fireball me for this. ;) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:21:25 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: CoK Campaign In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mike Harvey wrote: > (If any of my players are on this list, DO NOT READ > THIS!) > > I am working on a new Mystara campaign. In a > nutshell, an Old One > (the creator) reveals himself to a cleric and > appoints the cleric to > start a new monotheistic church which does not > recognize the > immortals as true gods, but which does recognize > them as caretakers > of Mystara. The purpose of this is to shake the > immortals out of > their complacency and bring about reform, not to > replace them. At > first everyone assumes the cleric is just another > fanatic who casts > spells by the strength of his alignment, but after a > while immortals > notice that he is getting his power from an > external, unknown source. > Once the immortals figure out that an Old One is > involved and > granting spells to a cleric, they become polarized > and tensions rise > to the breaking point. Certain factions will attempt > to destroy the > cleric and the new church. Eventually this > culminates in the events > of WotI. interesting lead in. > The cleric of course knows nothing of this. He has > in fact been > brought from another world, which world may I ask (and what level are the players?)? > told only that "I have a > mission for > you". He will probably be shocked to learn that the > people here > worship "mere immortals" rather than true gods, as > well as by the > fact that immortality is even attainable. (The > players are new to > Mystara, so being from another world gives them an > in-game reason > for ignorance.) That could be fun. > I had originally intended to start in AC1000, with > the cleric joining > and reforming the CoK who already have some unusual > theology. But it > occurred to me that I could instead start in AC965 > or even 949, > send the cleric to Machetos where he starts a > fledgling church under > the tolerant rule of Stefan's father (anyone know > his name?) A young > Stefan is an early convert and champion of this new > faith. Sherlane > is another promising young convert. When persecution > from other > immortals starts Thyatis frowns on the new religion, > and the > subsequent founding of the Duchy of Karameikos is > partially motivated > by wanting to get the heretics out of Thyatis, as > well as religious > folk looking for an isolated haven to relocate. > Stefan takes > Traladara and the entire church goes with him, > becoming the CoK. > Having founded an entire church and helped set up a > kingdom, the > cleric may be a candidate for immortality and the > patron of the CoK. I love it. And I think it makes an excelent elaboration on canon. I might actually have to use some of these ideas as my campaign is sitting around AC984, and not going anywhere fast. (oh and in karamiekos). My adventurers have formed a large barony by the border of thyatis extending into the dymrak forest. Constant schirmishes with goblins hinder things and the rulers keep pretty busy, and throw around a bit of money. Their barony has been in place for about 4? years and has expanded slowly and deviously, but the general populous has no idea or complaints. more sly political moves. So if you need some background for times and from ac980 on I could be of some assistance. > I like this because it lets the player do something > really major - > founding a new church and taking part in the > establishment of a new > kingdom, plus adventuring in a Mystara that is not > quite so > civilized. > > The only drawback here is that there is little > information on > Karameikos around AC960, so I'd be winging it. I don't think it'd be that bad, given jenn's mini-gaz and th major events of history, the detail's should just fall into place. I might sergest having a look at the veiled society, although I don't have it I believe it deals with early karamiekos, (someone else want to jump in?) My personal sergestion is that the mini-gaz represents the traldar at about 800AC and since then they have evolved into a more modern people making the conquest of their civilization less harsh as the civilization level differences are smaller. > Also > the region is far > less settled: communities are small and roads are > bad. Ther is no > Black Eagle, no Traladaran freedom fighters, no > royal campaign to > push back the goblins, etc. So I'm looking for ideas > for the period > 960-1000. There is always a black eagle..... There were some posts a while ago about stefan and his motives. I don't know if you were here for it but it was quite a ruckus. Anyway some good ideas came out of it and some interesting campaign flavour notes, particually cantering around the feelings, actions, and motives of stefan, his followers and his enemies. If you weren't here for it, don't remember it, or would like a compalation of the good ideas, then I could send you something. (probally off list cause I don't want to start anything.... btw, where's james gone? anyone know?) > Anyway, I'd love to hear other ideas and comments, > especially from > those who are knowledgeable about timelines and > such. (Yes I know > this diverges from canon slightly, but I don't care) I'd be very interested to hear any other ideas you have. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:06:10 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Mystara Map Navigator Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi there, after a long, long, inactive time (the most unfaithfull were saying it was over) there is one new map at the Mystara Map Navigator. It despicts mainland Thyatis, check it out: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/7983/ Darkblood _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:50:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: A little help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:02:54 Stef McCarter wrote: >I signed up for this on Digest, but I'm not gettign it >that way, can someone tell me how to switch it so I >get it on digest? Thanks. > I'm not entirely sure about this (it's been ages!) but try sending a message to (NOT mystara-L !!!) with no subject line, and with only the command, "Set Mystara-L Digests" in the body of the message. IIRC that should solve your problem. Hope it helps (try getting the refcard bit from the listserver - it's very useful to have lying around for these purposes because nobody remembers the commands after six months...) - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:23:27 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: CoK Campaign Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:21:42 Mike Harvey wrote: (snip) >..an Old One >(the creator) reveals himself to a cleric and appoints the cleric to >start a new monotheistic church which does not recognize the >immortals as true gods, (snip interesting idea) I like this idea. I wouldn't do like you describe here (which is not to say there is anything wrong with what you plan, just that I would emphasize it differently), but there is a lot of potential in that plot. I guess we could bring up the whole Gareth plot again about this one. That would actually make sense, because the Old One, 'Gareth'?, would then act because of the folly of the Immortals during WotI. (snip) > Stefan's father (anyone know his name?) According to page 53 of the Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure's Explorer's Guide, Stefan's parents are Victor Karameikos and Amanda Korrigan. > A young >Stefan is an early convert and champion of this new faith. Sherlane >is another promising young convert. This is where I would have a problem, because this would require a lot of change. It's not so problematic that Sherlane's religion changes (in canon his Immortal is Chardastes IIRC), but Stefan now becomes a person imposing religious ideas upon the Traladarans rather than a 'benevolent tyrant', and his nation becomes a theocracy (at least it sounds like one to me) > When persecution from other >immortals starts Thyatis frowns on the new religion, and the >subsequent founding of the Duchy of Karameikos is partially motivated >by wanting to get the heretics out of Thyatis, as well as religious >folk looking for an isolated haven to relocate. Stefan takes >Traladara and the entire church goes with him, becoming the CoK. >Having founded an entire church and helped set up a kingdom, the >cleric may be a candidate for immortality and the patron of the CoK. > The problem I see here is that it stretches credibility for what Thyatis would do. When Stefan moved to old Traladara, the Thyatians mostly continued to think of it mostly as 'part of the empire'. There was no threat of retaking it, but Stefan must have thought this was a real possibility to make his alliance with Alphatia during the WotI war. In the time before the war, Thyatis could have easily retaken Karameikos, had they felt it necessary to do so... This is the reason why I hesitate to change things too much - it has consequences that I have to deal with, and I find that it's just easier to move the campaign focus to some unexplored area of Mystara for me, like the largely unexplored territories of Skothar... >I like this because it lets the player do something really major - >founding a new church and taking part in the establishment of a new >kingdom, plus adventuring in a Mystara that is not quite so >civilized. > You think it is now? Oh, dear.... ;) >The only drawback here is that there is little information on >Karameikos around AC960, so I'd be winging it. True, but there is no avoiding it when you change things. In fact, with little information, changes might just be easier to pull off. > Also the region is far >less settled: communities are small and roads are bad. Ther is no >Black Eagle, no Traladaran freedom fighters, no royal campaign to >push back the goblins, etc. So I'm looking for ideas for the period >960-1000. > I could well imagine Traladaran freedom fighters. Don't forget, the Traladarans worship Halav, Petra, and Zirchev. I doubt they'd like to see their nation become the theocracy of a religion that doesn't recognize their own Immortals - it would be much like it is in the Heldannic Territories, I think. >Anyway, I'd love to hear other ideas and comments, especially from >those who are knowledgeable about timelines and such. (Yes I know >this diverges from canon slightly, but I don't care) > If you can make your campaign work, then why would you care if you follow canon? I don't like walking so far from the established canon, but whatever works in your campaign goes! - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:41:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: zelligar the unknown Subject: Re: A little help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or you can visit this page: http://209.67.104.4/scripts/wa.exe?SUBED1=mystara-l&A=1 it lets you fill out a simple form to edit all your subscription options. You dont need to enter your name, your email addy is fine, even though theres a spot for real name. Anyway, the actual listserv command for digest mode is "set mystara-l digest" (not sure if digests will work, the help file says digest), and as Stalker said, it has to go to listserv@oracle.wizards.com, not the mystara-l addy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Stalker" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] A little help > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:02:54 > Stef McCarter wrote: > >I signed up for this on Digest, but I'm not gettign it > >that way, can someone tell me how to switch it so I > >get it on digest? Thanks. > > > > I'm not entirely sure about this (it's been ages!) but try sending a message to (NOT mystara-L !!!) with no subject line, and with only the command, "Set Mystara-L Digests" in the body of the message. IIRC that should solve your problem. Hope it helps (try getting the refcard bit from the listserver - it's very useful to have lying around for these purposes because nobody remembers the commands after six months...) > > > - The Stalker > > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. > FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:20:53 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: A little help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Nothing to add here, except that I *love* your handle. Brings back a lot of memories. :-) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:37:58 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: M Novy Subject: Norwald and Heldannic Empire Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just for reference. I would like to know some stuff about the Heldannic knights. I want to know when they laid claim to holdings in Norwold and what those areas are. I got the Test of the Warlords and i trying to find out when I need to run it. Thanks Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:49:33 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: CoK Campaign In-Reply-To: <20010207222125.8013.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > The cleric of course knows nothing of this. He has > > in fact been > > brought from another world, > > which world may I ask (and what level are the > players?)? Well, we were playing 3e in Greyhawk -- it just sort of evolved from some demo adventures we were running. But I hated running in Greyhawk, and we decided to switch back to BD&D anyway, so I decided to "jump" them to Mystara. The two characters who made the jump are both 4th level. Another had a 1st level dwarf, so made up a 1st level Mystic instead, a native of Mystara, which is handy for filling in background info. > So if you need > some background for times and from ac980 on I could be > of some assistance. Sounds interesting. I think I'm going to start in 960. The Mystic decided he was a Thyatian who hung around in court, doing acrobatics for the entertainment of the rich and famous. The Alphatian war gives him a good reason to be in Traladara. > I don't think it'd be that bad, given jenn's mini-gaz > and th major events of history, the detail's should > just fall into place. I might sergest having a look at > the veiled society, although I don't have it I believe > it deals with early karamiekos, (someone else want to > jump in?) I was thinking that the Veiled Society might have its roots back in the Thyatian occupation, though perhaps not so organized as it will be in Stefan's time. So I'll probably include it. The mini-gaz (and the Darine) is really nice and provides lots of material to play with. Has anyone made a map of the Traladaran towns and clans prior to 970? > There is always a black eagle..... :-) > There were some posts a while ago about stefan and his > motives. I don't know if you were here for it but it > was quite a ruckus. Yeah, I steered clear for the most part. I'll have to go back and review. If you have a compilation handy I'l love to see it. > I'd be very interested to hear any other ideas you > have. I plan to develop parts of Traladara and Machetos for now, and I'll post anything I come up with. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:58:16 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Norwald and Heldannic Empire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For some good info on the HKs, click on this link: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/knwnwrld.html#heldann The HKs movement into Norwold is covered in the PW almanacs and M-almanacs after that. The scenarios described in CM1 don't consider the HKs. It is Alp. vs. Thyatis for control of Norwold. The War of the Crown could be considered a territorial war in an "outlying area" before WotI, or could be played out during that conflict. It's important to set-up all of the NPC dominions and forces for it to run properly. As a "campaign adventure," CM1 should take quite a bit of game time and real time to play out, with lots of unscripted scenarios happening in between the main events of the module. If you want more info, let me know. I used CM1 as the basis for my current long-running campaign. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Novy" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Norwald and Heldannic Empire > Just for reference. I would like to know some stuff about the Heldannic > knights. I want to know when they laid claim to holdings in Norwold and > what those areas are. I got the Test of the Warlords and i trying to find > out when I need to run it. > > Thanks > > Mike > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:21:45 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Blockmoor's Real Current Location? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:35:28 A. Steve Duncan wrote: >Maybe this has been answered umpteen million times Well, not quite yet, I think. But I could be wrong! ;) > and I'll admit to not >knowing the FAQs inside and out but if Blackmoor's location was moved to the >North Pole with the Pole Shift, and there is a gaping hole in the Pole that >enters the Hollow World then what really happened to Blackmoor? Does it now >exist as broken, fragmentary, ice-covered, mist-enshrouded islands on the >rim of the world as one descends around the gateway? > Blackmoor was lost! The Immortals move 'uncorrupted' examples of a culture to the Hollow World when its society dies, but Blackmoor was destroyed so fast that they couldn't save it. Hmmm... This brings up an interesting question, actually. When did the polar openings come to exist? One could argue that the apocalyptic destruction of Blackmoor might have created the northern polar opening, but then where did the southern come from? I always had the impression that it was pretty much implied that the polar openings had always been there, but the fact that Blackmoor became the north pole (and it had to because that made the elven homeland, Grunland, into the south pole and caused their great migration - there are consequences if we make changes here) seems to be in utter contrast with that. I never read that the Blackmoor society had a huge, gaping hole right in the middle of it! ;) >Sorry if this an RTFM question. I'm hoping gentle beings such as yourselves >won't fireball me for this. ;) > Never fear - I reserve that particular honor for a certain Thyatian Captain who lurks around this list from time to time ;) - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:38:25 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: Blockmoor's Real Current Location? In-Reply-To: ; from alphatian@ANGELFIRE.COM on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:21:45AM +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:21:45AM +0100, The Stalker wrote: > Blackmoor was lost! The Immortals move 'uncorrupted' examples of a culture to the Hollow World when its society dies, but Blackmoor was destroyed so fast that they couldn't save it. Hmmm... This brings up an interesting question, actually. When did the polar openings come to exist? One could argue that the apocalyptic destruction of Blackmoor might have created the northern polar opening, but then where did the southern come from? I always had the impression that it was pretty much implied that the polar openings had always been there, but the fact that Blackmoor became the north pole (and it had to because that made the elven homeland, Grunland, into the south pole and caused their great migration - there are consequences if we make changes here) seems to be in utter contrast with that. I never read that the Blackmoor society had a huge, gaping hole right in the middle of it! ;) I thought they moved because living at the south pole, hole or not, would be very unpleasant! -- knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were plowing a field, what you glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two strong oxen or 1,024 http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | chickens? - Seymour Cray on parallel | processing ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:38:52 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: CoK Campaign In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Stalker wrote: > This is where I would have a problem, because this would > require a lot of change. It's not so problematic that > Sherlane's religion changes (in canon his immortal is > Chardastes IIRC), but Stefan now becomes a person imposing > religious ideas upon the Traladarans rather than a 'benevolent > tyrant', and his nation becomes a theocracy (at least it > sounds like one to me) Hmm, I don't really see Stefan as forcing anything on the Traladarans. He provides a haven to the CoK, but does not persecute the CoT or force anyone to convert. Really this is no different than the way things are presented in Gaz1, except that it adds some backstory and alters the CoK a little. Of course I don't think the Traladarans would see it that way. OTOH, I suppose Stefan *could* attempt to impose his religious views on the Traladarans, perhaps subtly. Overzealousness would not necessarily make him evil, but would add a character flaw and make him perhaps a little more interesting. (Without going to the extreme of 'Dark King of Karameikos') It would give more moderate CoK followers reason to feel sympathy for the Traladarans, and would heap fuel on the fires of rebellion. BTW, you said you wound "empasize it differently." What did you have in mind? I'll also have to review the postings and references to Gareth, now that you mention it. > > When persecution from other > >immortals starts Thyatis frowns on the new religion, and the > >subsequent founding of the Duchy of Karameikos is partially motivated > >by wanting to get the heretics out of Thyatis, as well as religious > >folk looking for an isolated haven to relocate. Stefan takes > >Traladara and the entire church goes with him, becoming the CoK. > > The problem I see here is that it stretches credibility for what > Thyatis would do. When Stefan moved to old Traladara, the Thyatians > mostly continued to think of it mostly as 'part of the empire'. Thyatis hasn't done anything. When I said 'Thyatis frowns on the new religion,' I meant that there is some hostility from existing churches, maybe even some ugly incidents, and various people in the empire are surprised and concerned about what is happening in Machetos. It's not that the empire is throwing the CoK out, the CoK is eager to relocate to a safe Haven, and Stefan offers one. Traladara is part of the empire, but it is a backwater province and well away from the more cosmopolitan cities of the empire, where it can't do much damage. I was thinking that it was still Stefan's idea, but getting rid of the CoK makes the deal sweeter for Thincol. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.