========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:11:07 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: hi there... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jammer wrote: > Hail there! > > After having DMed both Forgotten Realms and Ravenloft, I'm looking for > something new. Mystara came to my mind, but there's a problem: I can only > get the Karameikos pack, the basic set. > > Do you think it's worth playing anyway? Yes. Any of the Gazetteers, or the later AD&D boxes, can be used alone (especially Karameikos, since it was the first to be published, and therefore was less dependent on other material). The Vaults of Pandius (http://dnd.starflung.com/) hold a wealth of info on Mystara. Anyway, it is not especially newbie-friendly, sometimes. That's why we are going to write a beginner's guide to the setting. Meanwhile, you might want to have a look at the Mystaran Almanacs, especially the Atlas section: they have entries covering most countries in a reasonable amount of detail. BTW, you can add to the available material the Shadow Elves Gazetteer, the B3 module, and the Savage Coast stuff, since all those products were released as free downloads by TSR/WotC. > Is there any conversion to 3E yet? There are some conversion projects. Look at the Vaults of Pandius main page for a short discussion of (and links to) 3e Mystara projects. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:13:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Trail Maps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable indeed your maps seem more TSR-like...I really like them if you lack any reference map (cause you don't have the supplement) don't = hesitate to ask me to send you a personnal version of the area. Maybe the best thing for me is to work on the IoD for now (in 8 miles per = hex) and focus on other areas such as skothar and klagorst and the like, a= nd leave you the KW cause your work is already well advanced.... keep up the good work thib >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:11:55 -0800 >De: Ricardo Matheus >Sujet: Re: =5BMYSTARA=5D Trail Maps >A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >>How about redoing the Trail Maps as an intro for newbies? It could >>be, perhaps, one big map that would come in a tube and have an >>accompanying =22gazetteer=22 giving a brief run down of all the Known >>World countries along with all that cool info that was on the >>original maps. >> >> >>VVH > >I=B4m working in that. Of course my site isn=B4t nearly as complete as Th= yb=B4s >but I=B4ll keep working. >the adress: >http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/7983/ > >Darkblood >=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:06:37 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Trail Maps In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Again, what I was talking about here was an actual print version (like the originals), were Mystara ever to go to press again. Something that would be available for purchase at a game shop, etc. VVH >>How about redoing the Trail Maps as an intro for newbies? It could >>be, perhaps, one big map that would come in a tube and have an >>accompanying "gazetteer" giving a brief run down of all the Known >>World countries along with all that cool info that was on the >>original maps. >> >> >>VVH > >I=B4m working in that. Of course my site isn=B4t nearly as complete as Thyb= =B4s >but I=B4ll keep working. >the adress: >http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/7983/ > >Darkblood -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:09:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Trail Maps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know someone who work in the printing industry. I'll check with him how much it will cost to have such a map printed. I remember some time ago (a year maybe) someone saying he has contacts in = Great britain to do the printing of our production... if he recognize himself , please repeat what you've said then (if it is st= ill a valid offer by now) thib >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:06:37 -0600 >De: ramhog >Sujet: Re: =5BMYSTARA=5D Trail Maps >A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >Again, what I was talking about here was an actual print version >(like the originals), were Mystara ever to go to press again. >Something that would be available for purchase at a game shop, etc. > > >VVH > >>>How about redoing the Trail Maps as an intro for newbies? It could >>>be, perhaps, one big map that would come in a tube and have an >>>accompanying =22gazetteer=22 giving a brief run down of all the Known >>>World countries along with all that cool info that was on the >>>original maps. >>> >>> >>>VVH >> >>I=B4m working in that. Of course my site isn=B4t nearly as complete as T= hyb=B4s >>but I=B4ll keep working. >>the adress: >>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/7983/ >> >>Darkblood > > >-- > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:59:01 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: My Adventures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't mind at all if you want to post the adventures at other web sites. I do intend on making a few modifications on them, but I haven't had time yet. It would just be a layout change probably. I may make them PDF format too. But anyone can use them to support and spread the cause. Angelo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:16:05 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: My Adventures > >I don't mind at all if you want to post the adventures at other web sites. >I do intend on making a few modifications on them, but I haven't had time >yet. It would just be a layout change probably. I may make them PDF format >too. Thanks, Angelo! I'm a big OD&Der, myself, and I regularly scour the Net for any home-brew OD&D adventures, and ones set in Mystara are a plus. I plan to add a section to my site, where such adventures (and my own) could be downloaded - sort of a one-stop-shopping experience. But I have some more questions for you: Do you have any other OD&D material as yet unshared? When you convert to 3E, will you keep your OD&D versions of your material available? Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:46:26 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: d20 Mystara? In-Reply-To: <000c01c0a1fe$4e3c1760$9684fad5@uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Andrew Piquer Otero wrote: > Nevertheless, I don't know if it will feel Mystara... I'm old fashioned, but > Mystara feels D&D, as much as Greyhawk feels 1st ed AD&D... if I go on with > 3E, it will be in a newly-created setting. After trying 3e, I chose OD&D for my Mystara campaign because it felt more appropriate. But some of my players really like 3e. It seemed to me that if I could just "convert" the RC to 3e, then I would have a rules set that fit Mystara well, my players could still pick up some exotic stuff from the PHB, and I could make use of the new material that is being written. I am looking into creating a "d20 subset" that corresponds roughly to the Rules Cyclopedia, but otherwise is fully compatiable with 3rd edition. Essentially it will have things like "Fighter/Knight", "Fighter/Avenger", "Dwarf", "Elf" and so on in a pre-digested form. Feats are built into the template but are "hidden", rather than being options you have to add yourself. Things like initiative, attacks of opportunity, and spell interruption are left to GM discretion, although appropriate feats are built into the templates if you need them. Using the online d20 reference document, it would also include a cut-down spellbook that matches the RC as closely as possible, a monster manual excluding all non-OD&D monsters (and maybe including some modifications and conversions), simplified weapons & equipment, and simplified combat matching OD&D style as much as possible. All spells and monsters include stat blocks from the online d20 reference document. The only limitation is that it doesn't cover characters above 20th level, since WoC hasn't released their high-level campaigns book yet. The goal is to create something that looks, feels and plays like "Basic D&D" while being fully compatible with full-blown 3e. To make a character, just pick a class, roll stats and hit points, maybe pick a few skills. Example Character Class Fighter Hit Dice: 1d10 Primary Save: Fortitude Special Abilities Use any weapons, any armor +1 AC vs specific foe each round of combat Weapon Focus: +1 to hit Lv XP Title Att Abilities 1 0 Veteran +1 2 1000 Warrior +2 3 3000 Swordmaster +3 Cleave 4 6000 Hero +4 Specialization +2 dmg; +1 STR 5 10000 Swashbuckler +5 6 15000 Myrmidon +6/+1 Great Cleave 7 21000 Champion +7/+2 8 28000 Superhero +8/+3 +2 STR 9 36000 Lord +9/+4 Leadership** etc * all characters get Leadership at 9th level Example characters: Morgan Ironwolf Fighter Level 1, Alignment Lawful STR 16 +3 hit/dam AC 17, hp 12 INT 7 Attack +3/+2 WIS 9 -1 Will save DEX 13 +1 AC, ranged Fortitude +4 CON 14 +2 hp/level Reflex +1 CHA 8 Will -1 Special Abilities: Skilled with Sword: +1 to hit +1 AC vs chosen opponent each round Equipment Chain mail & sheild (AC16) Sword (+4 to hit, 1d8+3 damage) Longbow (+2 to hit, 1d8 damage) Summary: (F1, AC17, hp12, Att +3, Dam 1d8+3, Save 4/1/-1) Kras Tree-Tall Fighter Level 4, Alignment Neutral STR 16 +3 hit/dam AC 19, hp 23 INT 15 Attack +7/+6 WIS 13 +1 Will save DEX 15 +2 AC, ranged Fortitude +5 CON 12 +1 hp/level Reflex +3 CHA 14 Will +2 Special Abilities: Expert with Sword: +1 to hit, +2 damage Can make a second attack immediately after felling an enemy +1 AC vs chosen opponent each round Equipment Plate mail & sheild (AC17) Sword (+8 to hit, 1d8+5 damage) Longbow (+6 to hit, 1d8 damage) Summary: (F4, AC19, hp23, Att +7, Dam 1d8+5, Save 5/3/2) Example monster Orc (HD1, AC 14, hp 4, Att +4, Dam 1-8; Save +2/+0/-1) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:16:45 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Forgive me if this has been discussed already (although I'm guessing it wasn't)- I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be exclusively of the Wizard class. Or vice-versa. I just thought this up without examining the ramifications and figured the list was as good a place as any to get some educated input on the subject. So, is this a dumb idea or not? VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:44:17 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Secret Origins of Monsters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Does anybody have or know of a list of all the TSR-published KW monsters' "first appearances"? For example the "first appearance" of the Oards was in the module Where Chaos Reigns or the "first appearance" of the Phanaton in X1. Going through the old Creature Catalogue, I noticed that the only monster to get a mention of their print origins were the Hutakaans and the Traldar. What got me to ask the question was when I bought a copy of Where Chaos Reigns only to find that the Garls, Hephaestons and Oards, aren't native to Mystara and don't even exist in the same dimension as Mystara! Considering how closely tied most of the monsters of the Known World are to their place of origin, it seemed like a good idea to know, especially for the newbies, in what regions (and modules) they first appeared. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:49:26 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: MA and Skothar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>May i ask why Calengaer is not even present in the Skothar atlas? >Okay, I'll try to answer: >To my knowledge, no one had submitted the Calengaer geographic entry to the Almanac group (specifically the Skothar group - but I am not blaming anyone here) for inclusion in the 1017 edition. I went through almost all of the files prior to publication (with Herve), and that one was not there. True, I did think it odd that it wasn't there, but I figured the matter had been resolved elsewhere. If it had been submitted for inclusion in the Almanac, then please accept my apologies for the oversight. If not, then it could certainly be added to the 1018 edition. >Do you have anything to add, Herve? Not much. The Skothar group is working on creating us a nice setting on the eastern continent, but so far the discussion hasn't yielded much result that was useable in the almanac. Not that they were bad ideas, but generally consensus wasn't yet reached, or didn't result in final entries that we could use. For instance the MOrient nations and their lungs (dragons) were interesting, but still in rough format. Likewise, other ideas that were proposed, including Calengar, were still not fully agreed upon. That's why we used very few new entries, following a pattern already used with Davania, with which we introduced nations only a few at a time following the progression of Old World nations into those unknown regions (in that case, the Thyatian expedition). Minaea, a nation already partially known through the Alphatians, was also detailled a bit more. Depending on the advances of the SK group next year, we may introduce new nations as the Thyatians, or others, explore further east. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:55:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Klagorst: Immortals and Religion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note: This work is dedicated to illustrate the Immortals that are worshipped in the Klagorst region of Western Brun, introduced in MA1017. RELIGION AND IMMORTALS IN KLAGORST ASZTO Aliases: Protius Description: Aszto is the Lord of the Water, the Elemental Force of Water, and is revered especially in this guise. He is not the supreme ruler of the sea- this is a role assigned to Yegshuta, in the pantheon. Aszto is represented as a giant dwarf 8 feet tall. He is seen as a distant and aloof Immortal, a protector of sea fauna and creatures, but mostly uninterested in humans. Even if some minor temple is dedicated to him throughout the region, Aszto is respected, but little worshipped because he almost never listens to prayers; however, many sympathize with him right because of this: he does not interfere with mortals, and always leave his clerics free to do whatever they please. Worshipper's alignment: Any Cleric's Alignment: Any AURIAL, Master of the Rose and the Snow Aliases: Sinbad Description: Aurial, the Master of the Rose and the Snow, is a weird divinity of Klagorst. He is the god of losers who has determination enough to rise from the ground and manage to become greater than their enemies. He is also the god of travellers, of merchants and of thieves. He doesn't care what his clerics and worshippers do or think, as long as they are faithful to themselves, and refuse to submit themselves to others. Lawful clerics and worshippers, less common, claim that this means that the ideal must never be renounced to under any menace and danger. Neutral followers believe that the truth of Aurial is that there is no truth, and anyone who's free is appreciated by him. Chaotic ones feel Aurial allow them to do whatever their please, as they will be blessed and protected by Aurial. Worshipper's alignment: Any (generally chaotic) Cleric's Alignment: Any (generally neutral) AZRAEL, Lord of the Dead Aliases: Kazukarzash Description: Azrael is none other than Kazukarzash, the Ice Demon of the North. When Lord Ivan Brasv left Visneskaya in flames under the Visi rebellion, he led his Neskayan followers in the northern desolation until he didn't know what to do. To prevent his people from suffering, he invoked whatever divinity would accept to help him. The Ice Demon was the first to respond, eager to make good use of the first possibility he had to enter directly the world of mortals beyond the small possibilities given by the white orcs of the north. Kazukarzash directed Brasv to the lands of Brasov, and didn't send his icying powers to the western sea, but in change he has sent to Brasov his "clerics", who dispose of all the stillborn children of Brasov. With his powers, he has managed to raise magically the number of stillborn children, although no-one knows this. His clerics may cast spells of level 1-4, plus Raise Dead and Raise Dead Fully. They use their powers to raise the dead children and alter them magically. They are then sent northwards to serve the Ice Demon's purposes... Worshipper's alignment: Neutral to Chaotic Evil Cleric's Alignment: NE, CE. CHARUN, the Snake; the Arch-Devil Aliases: Orcus Description: The former god of the Stygian troglodites, Charun is worshipped all over Klagorst as the god of battle and war. He is often invoked by soldiers and adventurers in battle, as he is believed to confer strenght and a great capacity to bring destruction. In Klagorst, he is not considered an evil entity, even if he has the title of Arch Devil, and is said to dominate the outer plane known to Klagorst as Inferni. Charun is more considered the force of war that through destruction opens space to renewal, and thus an essential force of the Multiverse. Charun's worship is not allowed in Stygia, but there is an association of renegade troglodites known as the Order of the Skull who tries to bring back his following in that nation. Charun is also known as the Snake in the Serpent Triad. Worshipper's alignment: Neutral or Evil. Cleric's Alignment: LE, LN, N, NE, CN, CE IMATSKA Aliases: Diulanna, Ilmaatar Description: Imatska is the Goddess of Air, but she is also the one who protects every living thing. She is especially fond of hard-willed men and women, and thus many adventurers hold her as patron. She was the main goddess of Visneskaya, and is still revered in Brasov with the Neskayan name of Ilmaatar. In Klagorst, her main temple is in the city of Grawyz, administered by the Guild of Adventurers. Worshipper's alignment: Neutral and Good Cleric's Alignment: N, NG, LG, CG PAVAN Aliases: Ixion (Known World), Paava (Karaaljia), Solarios (Thyatis) Description: God of the Sun, Pavan is the major force of good in the area. He is the main divinity of Brasov, and is seen as the counterpart of Azrael. However, Brasovian mythology claims that he is not an enemy of Azrael, rather that the two are two faces of the same coin: while Azrael is death and cold, Pavan is life and warmth. Pavan is a minor Immortal in Klagorst, as most of his functions belong to Razano's portfolio. The few clerics of Pavan in Klagorst, however, claim that Razano is a manifestation of Pavan, or at least that he is his right hand, but that is considered a foolish heresy by Razano's clergy. Worshipper's alignment: LG, LN, NG Cleric's Alignment: LG RAZANO Aliases: Rathanos (Known World) Description: The clear head of the Klagorst human pantheon is Razano, Lord of Fire. He is the protector of life against death and cold, and thus a great enemy of Azrael. Not particularly worshipped in Brasov, Razano is a god of wizards, especially fire elementalists, and is opposed to Yegshuta as much as Charun. Razano's clergy are heavily involved in politics, with the calculated purpose of preventing any clerical intervention in political matters- apart their own. However, the clerics of Razano are divided about this, as some disagree with this, claiming that no cleric should be involved with temporal matters. Worshipper's alignment: LG, LN, LE, NG, N, CG, CN Cleric's alignment: NG, N, CN PEARL, the Dragon Aliases: - Description: Pearl is the Dragon of the Serpent Triad and the Spiller of Tears. It is recognized as Patron by the varkha (who consider dragons as messengers of Pearl, and thus holy creatures), and it is a deity widely worshipped among soldiers and adventurers. In its role as the Spiller of Tears, Pearl is considered the divinity responsible of suffering and pain, and is invoked to bring havoc to the enemies. Pearl is heavily opposed to Yegshuta, and is in always changing relations with Charun, but is neutral to most other divinities. A note: in the Klagorst and Brasov areas, there are no neutral or good dragons. Only chromatic dragons are present, so Pearl is the only Dragon Ruler involved in the area. Worshipper's alignment: Any non good. Cleric's alignment: Any non good YEGSHUTA, the Lizard Aliases: Demogorgon, Goron Description: The Lizard, Yegshuta is a great enemy of both Pearl and Charun, with whom it forms the Serpent Triad. Yegshuta is the Immortal protector of troglodites and Stygia. His clergy is opposed to the presence of Stygia in the Confederation and wants to bring the downfall of Nhorg of Vrancea, of the varkha, of Szekesh. Few are his followers outside Stygia, but some have speculated that he has involvements with the hresha-rak, given the appearantly good relations between Stygia and Kerminhae. Worshipper's alignment: LE, NE, CE Cleric's alignment: LE, NE ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:57:06 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: HW/Zandor in MA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that's a spoiler for the HW! >Is was on the HW team, and I recall something about it. I believe Herve wrote the Zandor events. Did he cast it when the red sun was out? IIRC, the premise was that the dousing of the sun also killed the SoP which would allow all magic to function, since the red sun also serves as the source for the SoP. I would think that the World Shield would still prohibit travel to the surface, though. Yes, exactly. There is an about two-week period at the end of the year when the red sun is out. The SoP is neutralized as well, so spells function normally. Because few people would realize it, it doesn't have much impact, with the notable exception of Zandor. >If I can ever get these zip files together how they're supposed to be I could check it for you! Argh! Does anyone know anything about DOS with Windows 2000 Professional? >I finally managed to locate the DOS prompt, and have followed the instructions to reassemble the split ZIP, but it's like the computer is feebleminded or something! I keep getting a message saying "The system cannot find the file specified." >I tried redownloading it, too. I'm working with the PDF version. The dos prompt may not bring you to the folder you intended by default. You may have to change drive (by typing like "c:") and then change folder (by typing "cd /dir1/dir2". ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:58:00 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Secret Origins of Monsters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Master's DM book has quite a good list with blurbls and module appearances of creatures not found in the rulebooks (that's it, complete till the publishing of the Master's Set). Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:35:26 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: d20 Mystara? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > After trying 3e, I chose OD&D for my Mystara campaign because it felt > more appropriate. But some of my players really like 3e. It seemed to > me that if I could just "convert" the RC to 3e, then I would have a > rules set that fit Mystara well, my players could still pick up some > exotic stuff from the PHB, and I could make use of the new material > that is being written. Personally I agree. I don't own any of the 3e matterials but from what I know I like the idea of positive armour class, and additions to hit rolls to "see if you hit" which to me seems sencible. I know it's simple to convert AC but I have no idea how to translate OD&D hit sheets into a bonus system. I was going to just count down and see the bonus but there are some strange piculiarities like numbers being repeated for various AC's. A conversion document to this system from the old one would IMO be useful, the rest, I don't know if it's nececary. Class and level give saving throws in both systems, skills and complex actions for monsters have always been up to the DM in most systems AFAIK. Narrative comes from setting/actions. NPC's rarly got ability score bonus's but thats easy to add, and you can use whatever system. The only core that needs to be convertable is this to hit system. Maybe you can enlighten me. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:58:46 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: hi there... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hail there! > > After having DMed both Forgotten Realms and Ravenloft, I'm looking for > something new. Mystara came to my mind, but there's a problem: I can only > get the Karameikos pack, the basic set. > > Do you think it's worth playing anyway? Is there any conversion to 3E yet? Definatly. The only major country that affects Karameikos before 1004AC (thyatian calander) is Thyatis, which is simmilar to byzantine rome, so it's fairly easy to wing such things. There are some good sites about it too. For the first while at least karameikos is pretty much a setting in itself. Not because you can't go elsewhere, but because you don't need to. Karameikos is pretty much the hub/center of the known world, and covered in wilderness so there is plenty of acess to most things there. We are also are in the middle of putting togeather a beginners guide to the Known world so when thats finished it should give you enough infomation to use those countrys well in your campaign. The other thing worth noting is that the savage coast (which is one country called sind which is sparcly detailed anyway) and 2000 miles of blank coastline to the west of Karameikos, with lots of maps avalible on the net. If you download those documents and wish to use them, be aware that the red curse only recently spread across a greater area, and that up till 1010AC it does not appear to have been such a hinderance for comming and going from the area. Rule wise I think Estlors Mystaran netbook might help. but is quite easy to convert to 2e from what I gather and running a campaign under that system seems to be no problem for a lot of people. I don't know much about 3e but people have been busy. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:04:29 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Secret Origins of Monsters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Considering how closely tied most of the monsters of the Known World > are to their place of origin, it seemed like a good idea to know, > especially for the newbies, in what regions (and modules) they first > appeared. Like old maps that have stuff like "here be dragons" and there actually are! :-) That could be most excellent for players maps. It could be a great adventure generator and just cause it says one thing (like Dragons) doesn't mean thats whats there.... could be anything that is remotly simmilar, or something that just ate whaterver was there before. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:36:03 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps > anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e > class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be > exclusively of the Wizard class. I like this. It explains why Alphatians are so adept with magic. Maybe there is a mix of the two sorts and you have to study both to be able to do everything. It would also serve as a great explanation to why 1000 wizards could teleport to over glantri. Perhaps you had to be a sorcerer to do this. Also it would explain why Alphatia can never acomplish the same level of magical might as they had on old Alphatia, becasue as the puraty of their race was diminished so was their natural sorcerous ability, and they no longer have the power in their gene's, and so have been forced to turn to "mundane" magic and memorizing spells. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:52:39 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Secret Origins of Monsters In-Reply-To: <002401c0a281$8ad6fcc0$1d84fad5@uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >The Master's DM book has quite a good list with blurbls and module >appearances of creatures not found in the rulebooks (that's it, complete >till the publishing of the Master's Set). > >Andr=E9s > Thanks! I'll look into that. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:58:23 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Forgive me if this has been discussed already (although I'm guessing it wasn't)- I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be exclusively of the Wizard class. << The can of worms has officially been opened. I'm getting out of the way before The Stalker reads this one. ;) John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:00:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style In-Reply-To: <20010301195823.25643.qmail@web1202.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:58 3/1/01 -0800, John Calvin wrote: >>> >Forgive me if this has been discussed already (although I'm guessing > it wasn't)- > > I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps > anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e > class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be > exclusively of the Wizard class. ><< > > The can of worms has officially been opened. > >I'm getting out of the way before The Stalker reads this one. ;) FWIW, we've gone back and forth, hammer and tongs, on this one on the Mystara3E list. I think it's pretty obvious why kobolds have a preferred class of sorcerer, in the new MM, but that doesn't solve anything for us (and is more of an homage than anything practical, in my mind). Should elves be sorcerers? Should Mystara have sorcerers? What's the place of sorcerers and bards in Glantrian society? (Stands back and watches the explosive chemicals seep into the discussion area ...) BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:14:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: >Forgive me if this has been discussed already >(although I'm guessing it wasn't)- Actually, it did come up once... >I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps >anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e >class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be >exclusively of the Wizard class. > >Or vice-versa. > >I just thought this up without examining the ramifications and >figured the list was as good a place as any to get some educated >input on the subject. So, is this a dumb idea or not? > Well, it depends on whether you like it or not. If you like it and you're the DM, then it's a good idea. Someone brought it up a while ago, and there is no particular reason why it shouldn't work, but I do think there are a few things you need to consider before you jump into it. First, it may seem very reasonable to make the Alphatian wizards different from everyone else in this fashion since, after all, they did come from another world. However, bear in mind that the Alphatians are the descendents of the Followers of Air of Old Alphatia, whereas the Flaems in Glantri are the descendents of their rivals, the Followers of Flame, also from Old Alphatia. Since Glantri was originally founded by the Flaems, that does suggest that the two nations have very similar origins where knowledge and traditions of magic are concerned, at least to me. The same is true of Thyatian wizards to some extent because it's quite obvious that many learned a lot of their magic from Alphatians while they were part of Alphatia (Lucinius was trained according to Alphatian standards, for example). I'm not saying, though, that all wizards of Mystara have their knowledge of magic from Old Alphatia exclusively. For example, the Nithians (and thus the Thothians) evolved knowledge of magic on their own, and we know that there were wizards in old Traldar (now Karameikos) during the war with the beast-men, which was at the same time when the Alphatians had just arrived on Mystara. The elves obviously have their own origin of magic too. Second, if all Alphatian wizards are sorcerors, then this has some consequences, as there would be no spellbooks or traditions for them in Alphatia, and there would likely be very few spells (because Sorcerors can learn very few). That would never work IMC because I've always thought of the Alphatians have having massive libraries of spellbooks and magic primers and lots and lots of peculiar spells, but it might work in your's... - The Stalker (a resident Alphatian on the list) Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:24:22 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:58:23 John Calvin wrote: >>> >Forgive me if this has been discussed already (although I'm guessing > it wasn't)- > > I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps > anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e > class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be > exclusively of the Wizard class. ><< > > The can of worms has officially been opened. > >I'm getting out of the way before The Stalker reads this one. ;) > LOL "All your fear are belong to me!" ;) Actually you were too late because I already responded. I do believe I was most civil about it though and answered only in the context of the question and, I might add, without letting any of my bitter 3e-hatred shine mbmmmmhlmmmmm ;) - The Stalker (All your sorcerors are belong elsewhere but Mystara! ;) ) Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:47:47 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style > However, bear in mind that the Alphatians are the descendents of > the Followers of Air of Old Alphatia, whereas the Flaems in Glantri > are the descendents of their rivals, the Followers of Flame, also > from Old Alphatia. Since Glantri was originally founded by the > Flaems, that does suggest that the two nations have very similar > origins where knowledge and traditions of magic are concerned, at > least to me. Depending how picky one might be about this, sorcerer's also (I believe) cannot be specialist mages. That's not to say that the possible "sorcerers" from Old Alphatia didn't just go along and favor those spells anyway regardless of getting a bonus or not, and then just divided into the groups just based on pure philosophy and not practices. Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:54:22 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Comments to Vulcania MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BC 5000 - The Elves' infancy is over. The forests of Sylvanyor are closed > to them forever. ?????????????????????? > Garal Glitterlode crates a race called the Ice Gnomes in > the mountains in the extreme south of Vulcania. ? > It's real claim to fame is its use of an Immortal's > artifact to power the city. ? > instills false memories in them, and hopes for the > best. Dwarves still existed, yes? > BC 1754 - Clan Zarka's stronghold is utterly wiped out in an assault by > undead. There were no survivors of the assault. King Borodar of Zarka, who > was away at a clan meeting, vowed revenge. Fearing that simple Gnome-power > could not stand up to the undead, he proposed the construction of 5 giant > war machines that he called the Earthshakers. Is this Canon? > Clan Pegdhart and Snarta head toward the Ice peaks. However, neither > Earthshaker was resilient enough for the journey, and both broke down in > different valleys deep within the mountains. Clan Gemeyir settled in the > Lost Valley. They used the parts from their Earthshaker to build the great Gnomish city of Berren. Clan Skyras' Earthshaker never made it out of the Vulcanian Marches, as the clan disintegrated over succession rights in BC 1791. Is this Canon? If it's not, it's an interesting story. Now that I think about it, even if it is Canon it is an interesting story. Is CM 4 really so bad??? > BC 633 - The School of Technomancy is founded in Thimhallan. Oh oh oh....8-) > BC 262 - Glimreen receiveed a dream from Garal Glitterlode. A dream of a > flying city of Gnomes. He immediately set off with a few friends to the > North. He never returned to Thimhallan. Was this the birth of Serraine? Is this Canon? Why am I asking so many similar questions? Is this Ethan's idea of comments? 8-) > AC 34 - Zodiak Mentrix and Matoia Pendrax, discoverers of Thimhallan, are > denied Immortality. ????????????????? > AC 356 - Emperor Harwin III was chosen as the Snartans "indivtali > perfectii" His clone becomes the standard reproductive element among the > Snartans. > > AC 577 - The last free-born Snartan died. Snarta is now one. ????? Do you mean that ALL Snartans are clones of Harwin III ?????????????? > AC 810-830 - Snarta's grand plan came to fruition. The newly minted > Earthshakers slowly roll north and west leaving a path of destruction in > their wake. However, by 815, the Snartans vastly overextended themselves, > and in the winter of 816, the Humans who were displaced a hundred years > earlier and the Gnomish Earthshaker clans quickly retook Vulcania. Word of the coup takes nearly a year to reach the front lines, and by the time the first Snartan reinforcements return home, the combined Human and Gnomish forces are more than enough to obliterate the battle-weary Snartan forces. In the next intervening three years, the Snartans lose half of their remaining Earthshakers to sabotage, sieges and grand earthshaking battles between the mechanical beasts. Great ideas in this event! Ok, an interesting read. May I find more infos at Shawn's ? Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:04:43 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > The can of worms has officially been opened. > >I'm getting out of the way before The Stalker reads this one. ;) > LOL "All your fear are belong to me!" ;) << Please, please...I'm reading this from work. Laughing at my desktop tends to bring surprised stares from my co-workers... >> Actually you were too late because I already responded. I do believe I was most civil << And I had just dusted off my "Raincoat of Fireball Repulsion". Ok, I have a few minor quibbles with 3E, but since I don't share Stalker's blind hatred I'll actually throw my "personal" opinion in here. Alphers specifically (and most other human mages generally) do not work as 3e Sorcerers. I think that most "nature loving" elves would work either as druids or sorcerers, and that a few clans work well as wizards. Pet peev #1 with 3E - Elves are listed as predominantly chaotic, and yet they are the creators of wizardry, a predominantly lawful class. How did the chaotic elves create lawful wizardry???? Anyway, this is easily enough fixed in my own campaigns... John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:12:38 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Comments to Vulcania In-Reply-To: <3A9EB6FE.3050501@tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Caroletti wrote: > > BC 5000 - The Elves' infancy is over. The forests of Sylvanyor are closed > > to them forever. > > ?????????????????????? This is from the Hollow World set DM's guide Page 10: "BC 5000, the childhood of the elves is over; the forest spirits stop sheltering them, forcing them to leave paradise and seek their own futures. The first great elf civilization rises on the Southern continent" Syvanyor is just a name I came up with for the great Elven Paradise. > > > Garal Glitterlode crates a race called the Ice Gnomes in > > the mountains in the extreme south of Vulcania. Hoolow world map 'post cataclysmic migrations' It shows ice gnomes moving up from the south pole in 2,900 BC. Cross reference with Garal 'creating gnomes in rockhome' in the DM's guide (page 11). Garal created all Gnomes, so the Ice gnomes, IMHO came first. > > It's real claim to fame is its use of an Immortal's > > artifact to power the city. See the Thimhallan beta doc on Stan's site. > Dwarves still existed, yes? Of course. But not in southern Davania. > Is this Canon? The name Zarka and Morag and the 'war of the earthshakers' is canon as per the module CM3. I extrapolated with Bruce Heard's ideas in AC11 (Book of wonderous inventions - see Jaggar's Transforming Gargantoid) and from the MMB That there were massive gomish war machines in southern Davania. > Is this Canon? If it's not, it's an interesting story. Now that I think > about it, even if it is Canon it is an interesting story. Is CM 4 really > so bad??? No, I've extrapolated on the ideas presented by Heard and CM4. > Was this the birth of Serraine? Is this Canon? Why am I asking so many > similar questions? Is > this Ethan's idea of comments? 8-) It is. I like comments and questions. I LOVE Serraine. And it seems to be the most technologically advanced city in canon. So I gave backstory about how Glimreen Gemeye got his training in working with complex technology, and then had him move notrh and found Serraine. PC2 (Top Ballista) Doesn't give any history on who Glimreen was or where he was from, so I filled that gap. > > AC 34 - Zodiak Mentrix and Matoia Pendrax, discoverers of Thimhallan, are > > denied Immortality. Two characters from the Thimhallan mini-gaz. On Stan's site. Still unfinished. > Do you mean that ALL Snartans are clones of Harwin III ?????????????? Yep. Snartans are just like Robotech's 'Zentraedi'. This was an idea from Bruce Herd that I am working on a Mini-gaz for. Due out soon. > Ok, an interesting read. May I find more infos at Shawn's ? Yep. You'll find lots of minor info from me in the geography/davania section, as well as Thimhallan. Pretty soon, Snarta will be up as will Thimhallan's final version. Thanks for taking the time to comment :) Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:55:47 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Comments to Vulcania MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Caroletti wrote: > Is CM 4 really so bad??? Yes. It's terrible. It's amazing that people are actually getting = something out of it. Unless you want floorplans for Earthshaker (!), = there's nothing for you in CM4. Trust me. This was something like the = second companion-level adventure I got, and I've never (ever) been as = disappointed as I was over that "adventure". I hate it. Plain and = simple. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:39:35 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Daniel Mayer Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Stalker wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:58:23 > John Calvin wrote: > >>> > >Forgive me if this has been discussed already (although I'm guessing > > it wasn't)- > > > > LOL > > "All your fear are belong to me!" ;) > > Actually you were too late because I already responded. I do believe I was most civil about it though and answered only in the context of the question and, I might add, without letting any of my bitter 3e-hatred shine mbmmmmhlmmmmm ;) > And as far as I understood not the Flaems "founded" Glantri but the elves. Perhaps not the "state Glantri" but the beginnings of it (you know: streets, first signs of fortified cities, etc.). I�m quite fascinated by the nice fire-magics of the Flaems, but I don�t like them. Alphatians either (except in tongue-fencing). In the history I know Flaems and Alphatians arrived as kind of invaders. Nithia didn�t exist anymore, so no one was �united� enough to resist their magic. Traladaran magic had too much flaws in the theoritical concepts to oppose the advanced magic of the invaders (I�ll post a report later, much later :). As conclusion I would say as final result the Flaems were responsible for the Glantri known today, but they couldn�t have without the preparation of others, the true founders. Laren Nightmaster Tower of Dreams interpreted the canon Glantri GAZ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:52:16 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: HW/Zandor in MA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > that's a spoiler for the HW! Sorry, I didn't mean to give anything away. I assumed that with the MA's release, the information was open for general discussion. I'll be more careful in the future, such as answering by private e-mail. > >Is was on the HW team, and I recall something about it. I believe Herve > wrote the Zandor events. Did he cast it when the red sun was out? IIRC, > the premise was that the dousing of the sun also killed the SoP which would > allow all magic to function, since the red sun also serves as the source for > the SoP. I would think that the World Shield would still prohibit travel to > the surface, though. > > Yes, exactly. There is an about two-week period at the end of the year when the > red sun is out. The SoP is neutralized as well, so spells function normally. > Because few people would realize it, it doesn't have much impact, with the > notable exception of Zandor. > > >If I can ever get these zip files together how they're supposed to be I > could check it for you! Argh! Does anyone know anything about DOS with > Windows 2000 Professional? > >I finally managed to locate the DOS prompt, and have followed the > instructions to reassemble the split ZIP, but it's like the computer is > feebleminded or something! I keep getting a message saying "The system > cannot find the file specified." > >I tried redownloading it, too. I'm working with the PDF version. > > The dos prompt may not bring you to the folder you intended by default. You may > have to change drive (by typing like "c:") and then change folder (by typing > "cd /dir1/dir2". Yes, I figured it out after I sent this last night. I moved the files directly to C:\ and it worked OK. The almanac looks good! > > ===== > ___________________________________________________________ > Herve Musseau > http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:53:58 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >As conclusion I would say as final result the Flaems were responsible for the Glantri known today, but they couldn�t have without the preparation of others, the true founders. Well, Glantri DOES exist because of invaders: without the Flaem, the Alphatians and the Laterrans, Glantri would have been a different place: elves were first, but I cannot see the original traditionalist elves discovering and using the Radiance, that was done by powerful otherworld mages, Alphatians and Flaems (which after all came from a Energy-attuned universe) and the uncanny Etienne d'Ambreville. And Glantri IS the Order of the Radiance, from politics, to society to outlook. Everything else is mundaner propaganda. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:54:51 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: My Adventures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have TONS of OD&D material, because I kept every adventure I ran for the past 6 years. The only problem is putting it into some sort of digital format. The rules and stuff I have on "Heroes Only" really applies only to OD&D since I really don't know much about any of the Advanced systems. If it is of interest to everyone, I will update on additions/updates to "Heroes Only". Angelo Heroes Only: http://members.fortunecity.com/abertoll/dnd/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: My Adventures Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:16:05 -0500 Thanks, Angelo! I'm a big OD&Der, myself, and I regularly scour the Net for any home-brew OD&D adventures, and ones set in Mystara are a plus. I plan to add a section to my site, where such adventures (and my own) could be downloaded - sort of a one-stop-shopping experience. But I have some more questions for you: Do you have any other OD&D material as yet unshared? When you convert to 3E, will you keep your OD&D versions of your material available? Geoff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:59:27 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: d20 Mystara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This is very interesting because I REALLY like some of the ideas put forth by D&D3, namely the very open yet very simple system of character classes. So your idea of simplifying/adjusting 3e to have a better feel toward a basic game, is a nice idea. However, I've been throwing around the idea to do the opposite. Basically my idea is to take OD&D as my rulebase and make whatever modifications to it that seem like good ideas from 3e. If I come up with something, I'll post it. Angelo ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mike Harvey Subject: d20 Mystara? Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:46:26 +0000 After trying 3e, I chose OD&D for my Mystara campaign because it felt more appropriate. But some of my players really like 3e. It seemed to me that if I could just "convert" the RC to 3e, then I would have a rules set that fit Mystara well, my players could still pick up some exotic stuff from the PHB, and I could make use of the new material that is being written. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:10:03 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: d20 Mystara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Since I think alot about the "making video games" side of rpgs, I can tell you the easiest way to convert charts back and forth is to transfer d20 to percentile first. That's what it really equates to anyway. Fighter's attack probability goes up by 2 on a 1d20 per 3 levels (at least at the beginning). 2 on 1d20 is obviously a 10% increase. So if you want, you can figure fighters gain a 3.33% (or 3.5%) increase of attack probability per level. Personally, for programming I have thought to increase fighters by 4%/level, clerics by 3%/level, and mages by 2%/level.... of course monsters get a 5%/HD attack chance. A first level character hitting an AC9 needs to roll a 10, so that tells you that at level 1, the attack probability starts out at 50%. Knowing where to start, and how much to add per level is everything you need to know. You can translate it back to d20, or leave it as a percentile roll, it doesn't matter (except maybe for criticals). I think one of the ADVANTAGES of 3e is not having to go through long charts. So if you can adjust the numbers a bit (OD&D allows for THAC0 too) to fit your rules. Just try to keep things close, and I don't think you'll lose game balance. Angelo ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: d20 Mystara? Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:35:26 +1300 >After trying 3e, I chose OD&D for my Mystara campaign because it felt >more appropriate. But some of my players really like 3e. It seemed to >me that if I could just "convert" the RC to 3e, then I would have a >rules set that fit Mystara well, my players could still pick up some >exotic stuff from the PHB, and I could make use of the new material >that is being written. Personally I agree. I don't own any of the 3e matterials but from what I know I like the idea of positive armour class, and additions to hit rolls to "see if you hit" which to me seems sencible. I know it's simple to convert AC but I have no idea how to translate OD&D hit sheets into a bonus system. I was going to just count down and see the bonus but there are some strange piculiarities like numbers being repeated for various AC's. A conversion document to this system from the old one would IMO be useful, the rest, I don't know if it's nececary. Class and level give saving throws in both systems, skills and complex actions for monsters have always been up to the DM in most systems AFAIK. Narrative comes from setting/actions. NPC's rarly got ability score bonus's but thats easy to add, and you can use whatever system. The only core that needs to be convertable is this to hit system. Maybe you can enlighten me. Chris. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:57:58 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Second, if all Alphatian wizards are sorcerors, then this has some consequences, as there would be no spellbooks or traditions for them in Alphatia, and there would likely be very few spells (because Sorcerors can learn very few). That would never work IMC because I've always thought of the Alphatians have having massive libraries of spellbooks and magic primers and lots and lots of peculiar spells, but it might work in your's... I agree they should have spellbooks. Being someone who doesn't own 3e, and isn't buying 3e, but had a brief encouter with BG2 and it's sorcerers my opinion is a fairly uninformed with regards to them. What I have gathered is that sorcerers can innately cast any spell from the spell list within level limits and no. of spells a day, without having to choose which ones to memorize in the morning. They do however get a reduced spell list. My assumption is that they are able to do this because they are born with magical talents in their gene's. So if most or all pure alphatians are born with this talent, while very few of other races are born with this talent, that makes alphatians different. While not everyone can be sorcerers, most with significant intelegence can learn spells as a mage does. The original Alphatians were sorcerers, "almost every member of their race used magic, the rest, those few children born without the gift of magic, were trained to use their physical gifts to the uptmost level" (DotE PGtA pg 4) and "looked different from the everyday Alphatians of today." The alphatians absorbed a race called the Cypris, and by doing this I would say they diluted their gene's. "Not needing to work except for the ocational application of magic, they grew soft and decadent." When they arived on Mystara so many of their great artifacts had been used up, and many of their great wizards had perished. Also the mages found that magic was different and they had to re-learn the concepts of their macic and it's use. Once they had concidered themselves rivals with the immortals but no more. I would sergest that the original alphatians were sorcerers, and that when the absorbed the cypris (most likely without the sorcerer gene, but highly intelegent) into their culture they taught them to use magic but to do this it had to be written down and memorized, as it is today. Slowly the pure alphatians became fewer and fewer and less were born able to weald magic by shear will and understanding. However those with Alphatian gene's were more adept to cast spells for they could minipulate them as they were being cast, so that the effect was greater, or could vary it. The greatest sorcerers could manipulate magic into new forms and these new forms (spells bassically) they taught to eagar students, cutting out the need for such research and testing because they could just "create" and "mold" it. These sorcerers created powerful artifacts for their followers, so that the magic that only they could make, could be used be others if nececary. With the decreasing number of powerful sorcerers, less and less was discovered and as the society grew decadent and addicted to zzonga the desire to expand their knowledge diminished. When the war broke out between the air and fire followers, there were few sorcerers left, and those that were, were not a great as those of old. Many of the great magic artifacts were used in the war and sorcerers killed. On arrival in Mystara their gene's once again began to dilute and thus even less alphatians were born with such great magical talent, and the surviving sorcerers had to re-learn the ways of magic. There was not enough time or enough of them for them to re-work the magic of old and so they concentrated on teaching others the ways of magic in this new world. Now none of the old sorcerers remain, and only a handful exist and they are no where near as great as the original sorcerers for their ability to see the workings of magic diminishes with each generation, and they become more reliant on studying the conventional methods. However this ability in a person makes them much more adept and useful as a mage and so the alphatians check at birth if a child has the vision and if they do they take them in in the knowledge that they are gifted and can create new and more powerful spells then others. Just a thought. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:44:47 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "ramhog" > > I was toying with the idea of having Alphatian wizards, and perhaps > anyone of Alphatian blood, be Sorcerers exclusively as per the 3e > class. Conversely, the rest of the world's magic-users would be > exclusively of the Wizard class. > > Or vice-versa. > > I just thought this up without examining the ramifications and > figured the list was as good a place as any to get some educated > input on the subject. So, is this a dumb idea or not? The only problem is that Alphatian magic is not all that different from magic practiced by Humans and even Elves elsewhere in the world -- and in fact high level Human Wizards whether Alphatian or not would know far more spells than a 3E Sorcerer could know even at 20th level. Personally, I think a better case could be made for treating Magic-Users as Wizards and Wokani as Sorcerers -- the more limited spell list of the latter is then easily explained. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:31:17 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Donnelly Jr Subject: Re: All your... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gordon McCormick wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 12:44:33AM -0500, SteelAngel wrote: > > > > >From the Orcs: > > "All your potatoes are belong to us" <- really obscure!! > > LOL! :) Time to Rampage at +3... Same branch of obscurity? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:00:31 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Founding of Glantri (was: Re: Alphatian mages in 3E) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > And as far as I understood not the Flaems "founded" Glantri but the > elves. NO! Thyatians did! GLANTRI is a Thyatian noble family...there is even a senator in Thyatis that belongs to the Glantri family! Trust me! If not, take a look at the Empire of Thyatis' page at http://www.geocities.com/talerio/ "All your names are belong to us" Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:00:34 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Francisco V. Navarro" Subject: Re: Founding of Glantri (was: Re: Alphatian mages in 3E) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hail Mystarans! [grandiose entrance with dazzling lights and symphonic music] > Iulius Sergius Scaevola screams and shout: > > And as far as I understood not the Flaems "founded" Glantri but the > > elves. > NO! Thyatians did! GLANTRI is a Thyatian noble family...there is even a > senator in Thyatis that belongs to the Glantri family! Trust me! If not, take a look at the And hush you loud Thyatian... [ever so suavely casts a *muffle the uncouth barbarian* spell] Let the Glantrians of so varied ethnicities, so many cultures, and so much sophistication speak for themselves. The Highlands belong to the elves of Belcadiz... that is, when they arrived there from wherever they came from... The Highlands belong to the Flaems... at least, that is what they said to the elves, when they arrived from their millennia of cosmic wandering... The Highlands belong to the Thyatians (Hattians, Kerendans, and Thyatians)... as soon as they came, saw, and conquered... as these loud Thyatians always do... The Highlands belong to the Traladrans... actually, the Highlands belong to Morphail... actually, the whole of Mystara belong to Moprhail... in time... The Highlands belong to the Ethengar... They just haven't decided to invade it yet... (By the way, the recent "military exercises" in AC 1016 were merely meant to strenghten the troops!) The Highlands belong to the d'Ambrevilles... Surely no one would like to argue with Etienne... The Highlands to belong to the McGregors... But then again, they're all not in touch with reality... The Highlands belong to the Alphatians... according to that joker Halzunthram... Boy, did no one get that bit of Alphatian humor... forty years of war for that one... We just settled with "Glantri" so that these simple Thyatians (who can't understand the complexities of this nation we call "Glantri") have something to call us. Its quite easy to spell too for these illiterate mundaners... Kit Navarro Glantrian Wizard Extraordinaire www.geocities.com/principalities_of_glantri ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:00:35 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: My Adventures >Angelo wrote: >I have TONS of OD&D material, because I kept every adventure I ran for the >past 6 years. The only problem is putting it into some sort of digital >format. The rules and stuff I have on "Heroes Only" really applies only to >OD&D since I really don't know much about any of the Advanced systems. > >If it is of interest to everyone, I will update on additions/updates to >"Heroes Only". I would certainly be interested. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:53:39 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rod G Subject: New Entry in MML Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I'm Rod: a new entry in MML. First of all, let me introduce myself in two or less lines: I'm a 22 years old Italian guy, I study informatic at university and RPG is one of my greatest interests, particularly OD&D and Mystara. Reading some of the mails in the MML, I've been attracted by the idea to create 'A Beginner's Guide to Mystara'. I've played at OD&D for 14 years (especially in Mystara) and I'm palying yet. I have (or can reach), a lot of material about Mystara (all the Gaz, some PC, Rule Cyclopedia, Base set, Expert, Master, Immortal...), so I will be very happy if I can help (between job and study) in that project ^-^. I have some questions: 1) That guide, will be printed, on-line, or both? 2) It will cover all official products about Mystara or also "unofficial expansion rules" that can be fount in many site in the web? 3) It will be a review of the rules? Or a description of Mystara how it is? 4) How that project will be organized? If it could be usefull I could help with HTML, CGI, Flash and so on. Bye Bye and Nice to meet you! ^__^ Rodolfo Gruden _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:23:15 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: New Entry in MML MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rod G wrote: > Hi! I'm Rod: a new entry in MML. > > First of all, let me introduce myself in two or less lines: > > I'm a 22 years old Italian guy, I study informatic at university and RPG is > one of my greatest interests, particularly OD&D and Mystara. > > Reading some of the mails in the MML, I've been attracted by the idea to > create 'A Beginner's Guide to Mystara'. Hi, it is good to see new people joining the list, especially fellow Italians :) I'm coordinating the newbie guide team, so I can answer most of your questions. > I've played at OD&D for 14 years (especially in Mystara) and I'm palying > yet. I have (or can reach), a lot of material about Mystara (all the Gaz, > some PC, Rule Cyclopedia, Base set, Expert, Master, Immortal...), so I will > be very happy if I can help (between job and study) in that project ^-^. Sure you can: we're looking for contributors to write nation entries right now! > I have some questions: > > 1) That guide, will be printed, on-line, or both? There's been no final decision. My guess is that it will be both an on-line addition to the Vaults of Pandius, and a printable document (a pdf, probably). > 2) It will cover all official products about Mystara or also "unofficial > expansion rules" that can be fount in many site in the web? Well, it will be a newbie guide, so it will give basic info about the setting (nations of the Known World, PC races, Immortals, etc.) > 3) It will be a review of the rules? Or a description of Mystara how it is? A description of Mystara. It will be ruleless. It is possible that Rules Supplements will be written, once the guide is complete, but they will be separate entities. > 4) How that project will be organized? Uh, each contributor writes a description of a Known World nation, and then we pack the whole stuff together... other details are yet to be decided. > If it could be usefull I could help with HTML, CGI, Flash and so on. We'll probably use only plain HTML, and not dynamic stuff, but your help is welcome :) -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:56:16 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Whatever happened to... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" the Dreamlands or The Kingdom of the Fairies or whatever you want to call it? As I recall, it seemed like after the shadow elves took The Big Poop on Alfheim, King Oberon's realm got glossed over. Was that ever covered anywhere? Keep in mind that the last KW purchase I made was PWA 1, then sold off all of my OD&D stuff (and I had it all, baby!), then I got sucked back in with 3e , and am currently in the process of rebuilding my collection which lead me to the WotC site and ultimately this list (whew!). In other words I've been out of the loop for a long, long time. Thanks, gang- VVH PS- For any of you who might think I'm some gurdy Alphatian sympathizer... LONG LIVE THYATIS! DEATH TO THE ENEMIES OF THE EMPIRE! VAE VICTUS, SUCKERS! -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:10:42 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > LONG LIVE THYATIS! MUHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH Please, no more of this or I'll definitely get over the edge between sanity and madness... MUHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH....eh...uhm....sorry.... Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:38:55 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... In-Reply-To: <3A9FD412.9070703@tin.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Please, no more of this or I'll definitely get over the edge between >sanity and madness... > My plan is working perfectly. Soon Thyatis will be mine... -Viktor Von Hendriks, Fort Doom, Black Eagle Barony -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:45:57 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >>Please, no more of this or I'll definitely get over the edge between >>sanity and madness... >> > >My plan is working perfectly. Soon Thyatis will be mine... umm... and by that I mean as soon as I get the Dawn of the Emperors boxed set. Yeah, that's it... heh heh. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:28:26 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, ramhog wrote: > As I recall, it seemed like after the shadow elves took The Big Poop > on Alfheim, King Oberon's realm got glossed over. Was that ever > covered anywhere? Not in Canon. In fact, Canon seemed to ignore the very existence of PC1 and to some extent PC3. This is probably because they were early supplements, and not immediately useful to the Mystara setting as PC2 and PC4 were. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:42:07 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, ramhog wrote: > As I recall, it seemed like after the shadow elves took The Big Poop > on Alfheim, King Oberon's realm got glossed over. Was that ever > covered anywhere? I don't think there's anything in baseline source material dealing with what happened to the dreamlands after WotI... but then, the dreamlands weren't actually *in* the Canolbarth Forest, there were just more "connection points" to the mortal realm (fairy rings, and whatnot) found there than you would find in the "average" region of Mystara. There are supposed to be connection points between the fey and mortal realms scattered throughout the "Wilderness Regions" of mystara. If I ever got to that point in my campaign I'd probably suggest that the corruption inflicted by the Shadow Elves on the Canolbarth had one of three effects: a) Severed all the connection links betwee Mortal and Fey realms. b) Corrupted the connection links too, attracting more of the "nasty" fey, such as red-caps, wood imps and the few Sidhe with evil in their hearts. c) Did nothing to the link points but, due to the surrounding corruption of the Canolbarth, King Oberon and Queen Titania have "locked" the doorways and moved their "mortal realm" court to a different location on the globe (perhaps somewhere in the regions near the Callarii or Vyalia Elf clans ... isn't there a "secret valley" located in that area somewhere mentioned in some Mystara source material?) Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:51:52 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:39:35 Daniel Mayer wrote: > (snip) >And as far as I understood not the Flaems "founded" Glantri but the >elves. If you go back far enough in history, sure. I'm fairly certain that whatever they established there would have been destroyed during the 'Glantrian Catastrophe', though... > Perhaps not the "state Glantri" but the beginnings of it (you >know: streets, first signs of fortified cities, etc.). Well, the Glantrian Catastrophe drove the elves away in BC 1,700 and Glantri was then covered mostly by ice. There were no settlements of note (to my knowledge at least) there until the Flaems arrived in AC 395, so Glantri was ice-covered and uninhabited for almost 2,100 years after a cataclysmic event! Therefore I really doubt anything would have been left of what the elves did there. > I4m quite >fascinated by the nice fire-magics of the Flaems, but I don4t like them. > Good! ;) >Alphatians either (except in tongue-fencing). Hmmm, I wonder if I should be offended at your dislike for Alphatians, or you grateful for your appreciation of the debating skills (!) of myself and other Alphatians... I'd probably go with the latter and ignore the former ;) > In the history I know >Flaems and Alphatians arrived as kind of invaders. Nithia didn4t exist >anymore, so no one was 4united4 enough to resist their magic. > Actually no. The Alphatians arrived in BC 1,000 and Nithia wasn't destroyed until BC 500, so Alphatia and Nithia co-existed for about 500 years. In DOTE there are even references to contact between the Nithians and the Alphatians, and this is probably why Thothia became part of Alphatia when Nithia was destroyed. We don't see this relationship much in any of the material, though, because the Bead of Oblivion removed all memory of Nithia at the time of its destruction as we discussed recently. > Traladaran >magic had too much flaws in the theoritical concepts to oppose the >advanced magic of the invaders (I4ll post a report later, much later :). > It was very limited, but then the Traldar had the beast-men to fight at the time. However, I would see neither the Alphatians or Flaems as invaders as such. The Nithians could probably have finished off Alphatia before it could grow into a real empire had they wanted to, and Alphatia probably grew even more in the wake of Nithia's destruction in that it left a power vacuum for Alphatia to grow in. This was not deliberate by the Alphatians, though, because they forgot all about Nithia's existence because of the Bead of Oblivion. Likewise, the Flaems arrived and settled a mountainous land from which the ice had recently receded after having walked the planes for more than a thousand years. They settle the land but are almost wiped out later when elven and human settlers begin to come to the land. Doesn't sound much like invaders to me (they're still not the nicest of people, though!) >As conclusion I would say as final result the Flaems were responsible >for the Glantri known today, but they couldn4t have without the >preparation of others, the true founders. > Who would those have been? The elves who were driven away 2,100 years before? Don't forget, the elves of today's Glantri are different elves and did not arrive until after the Flaems had settled the land. - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:01:54 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dragovon Subject: Re: My Adventures In-Reply-To: <200103021400.JAA11262@freenet10.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed And I'm always interested in adventures and other material. > >I have TONS of OD&D material, because I kept every adventure I ran for the > >past 6 years. The only problem is putting it into some sort of digital > >format. The rules and stuff I have on "Heroes Only" really applies only to > >OD&D since I really don't know much about any of the Advanced systems. > > > >If it is of interest to everyone, I will update on additions/updates to > >"Heroes Only". Die dulci fruere Abeo John E. Raymond ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:24:19 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dunlendor@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/2001 3:13:40 AM Central Standard Time, scythe@WANADOO.DK writes: > > 3E is a d20 system, and the d20 system is available (I think) on the web > for > > free. Some people's arguements against 3E has been the tremendous cost of > > shipping to their respective countries from the U.S. A modified for > Mystara > > d20 game would ideally look like Mystara and play like Mystara without > being > > 3E, and be available for all over the web. The terms used in 3E are the > terms > > of d20, so if you understand one then you'll understand the other. Really, > > what I'm talking about is tweaking the d20 documents into something that > > feels like OD&D. > > What then would be the difference between a 3E, Warhammer, Cyberpunk, or > "new" system? And the difference between OD&D and the "new" system? Or have > I misunderstood something? Yes, you have misunderstood something. d20 is the basic mechanics of the new 3E system. Its the basic mechanics of the new Star Wars game and its going to be the basis for the new Wheel of Time game when that comes out. Its not the game anymore than the Interlock/Fusion system is for R.Talsorian games (which uses the same mechanics basically to drive both Mekton and Cyberpunk) or GURPS (which Steve Jackson uses to publish as many supplements as humanly possible). Its mechanics, no more. An engine. What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do, as opposed to translating Mystara into a 3E campaign would be in how "tinkered" with the rules were. Meaning specifically that Mystarans would have access to spells that work like Mystaran spells, with schools of magic that work like Mystaran schools do, with swords that are just swords and nothing more than swords, with feats that attempted to emulate the RC weapons mastery rules, with perhaps a differing experience chart that goes up to 36, etc. If a Mystaran 3E were to come out, there is a danger of the setting looking too generic to the first time gamer. If the actual system is "familiar but different" (a d20 game, which if nothing else would have the combat sequence of all other d20 games) then it might warrant another look by people would otherwise dismiss it. What I'm not saying is 3E is better, d20 is better or any such nonsense. I'm just saying that new players of D&D will be using those rules because those are the rules on the shelves at bookstores. I have serious doubts about the number of new gamers that might flock to the WOTC website to download large PDF files for what might not be a miniscule amount of money to your average 14-17 year old out there. For that matter, that applies to anything we do here too - but new appeals to the young more than the old. I don't know if this clarifies anything I've said. But if it hasn't, keep telling me I'm not making sense and I'll keep rehashing it until we achieve communication. JMH ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:51:02 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Byron D. Molix" Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: John Calvin As to Stalker being civil, I find that he is always such unless provoked, a lot. :) > >Ok, I have a few minor quibbles with 3E, but since I don't share Stalker's >blind hatred >I'll actually throw my "personal" opinion in here. Alphers specifically >(and most other >human mages generally) do not work as 3e Sorcerers. I think that most >"nature loving" >elves would work either as druids or sorcerers, and that a few clans work >well as >wizards. > >Pet peev #1 with 3E - Elves are listed as predominantly chaotic, and yet >they are the >creators of wizardry, a predominantly lawful class. How did the chaotic >elves create >lawful wizardry???? > >Anyway, this is easily enough fixed in my own campaigns... > >John > Well, I responded to this a long time ago. In most worlds, the number of wizards vastly outnumbers the number of elves. Thus the entry about wizards being lawful refers to most wizards and the entry about elves refers to most elves. The vast number of human wizards are likely to be lawful in alignment (but that doesn't rule out chaos in the slightest. That chaotic evil wizard is one of the best villains you can spring on a party mid-campaign) I actually have a friend who ran a predominately elven series of campaigns and their final nemesis was a truly evil regent who they unwittingly helped into power in their first campaign. I believe the PCs could have counted the number of chaotic good elves they ran across on their fingers and toes. The elves of the past had also done some naughty magical genetic engineering on their own kind and that was coming back to haunt them as well. So in any given campaign, the book is not going to be right. As a case in point, I always perceived one of FR's races of elves to be very lawful and insular. YMMV, Byron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:57:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Beginner's Guide (was:New Entry in MML) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:23:15 G.P. Agosta wrote: >Rod G wrote: > >> Hi! I'm Rod: a new entry in MML. >> >> First of all, let me introduce myself in two or less lines: >> (snip) Welcome. Always good to see new people here. It tells me that Mystara is still alive and kicking! :) (snip) > >I'm coordinating the newbie guide team, so I can answer most of your >questions. > (snip) > >Sure you can: we're looking for contributors to write nation entries >right now! > Sorry for butting in here, but is there any particular reason why nobody will respond to my mails, on the list or private, on this subject? :( >> I have some questions: >> >> 1) That guide, will be printed, on-line, or both? > >There's been no final decision. My guess is that it will be both an >on-line addition to the Vaults of Pandius, and a printable document (a >pdf, probably). > Somebody is actually considering printing it? (snip rest) - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:32:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: >> the Dreamlands or The Kingdom of the Fairies or whatever you want to call it? As I recall, it seemed like after the shadow elves took The Big Poop on Alfheim, King Oberon's realm got glossed over. Was that ever covered anywhere?<< In canon? I don't think so. At least, I've never seen any references to it. However, Fabrizio Paoli and Hervi Musseau did mention it in their Mystaran Almanac related "Shadow Elves' Invasion of Alfheim" document. Go to and find the event "1007, Yarthmont 7: Fair Folk Moves Away" (about halfway through)... btw, for people with download problems regarding the MA 1017 - it's up on Shawn Stanley's site in html now! >>Keep in mind that the last KW purchase I made was PWA 1, then sold off all of my OD&D stuff (and I had it all, baby!), then I got sucked back in with 3e , and am currently in the process of rebuilding my collection which lead me to the WotC site and ultimately this list (whew!). In other words I've been out of the loop for a long, long time.<< Welcome back. >>Thanks, gang- VVH PS- For any of you who might think I'm some gurdy Alphatian sympathizer... LONG LIVE THYATIS! DEATH TO THE ENEMIES OF THE EMPIRE! VAE VICTUS, SUCKERS! << Oh no, not *another* one... As if the captain wasn't enough... The Thyatian megalomaniacs of Mystara are out in force! The Outer Beings must be working overtime at the moment... I can already hear them say: "All your Thyatians are belong to us!" ;) - The Stalker (of Alphatia in case anyone is wondering...) Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:33:07 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> As to Stalker being civil, I find that he is always such unless provoked, a lot. :) << I wasn't surprised that Stalker behaved so...just disappointed ;) I was prepared for stray fireballs and everything... >> >Pet peev #1 with 3E - Elves are listed as predominantly chaotic, and yet >they are the >creators of wizardry, a predominantly lawful class. How did the chaotic >elves create >lawful wizardry???? > >Anyway, this is easily enough fixed in my own campaigns... > >John > Well, I responded to this a long time ago. In most worlds, the number of wizards vastly outnumbers the number of elves. Thus the entry about wizards being lawful refers to most wizards and the entry about elves refers to most elves. The vast number of human wizards are likely to be lawful in alignment (but that doesn't rule out chaos in the slightest. That chaotic evil wizard is one of the best villains you can spring on a party mid-campaign) << OK, I'll bite. First let me say that comparing elves and wizards is just plane wrong under 3E. Elves are a race. Wizards are a class. You can compare elves and humans, or wizards and clerics, but not elves and wizards...it just don't work. [Note that under OD&D, it would have worked, but not in 3E]. Now, if your argument is that humans are predominately (and notice the use of the word predominantly) lawful, and that since humans make up the majority of wizards, that wizards are therefore referred to as lawful...well that's fine. But that's not what the 3E PHB states. The PHB says (and I'm paraphrasing because I don't have it in front of me at the moment) that those who choose the wizard class tend to be lawful. It then goes on to say that this is because Wizards need a certain amount of focus to practice their craft. Not all wizards need to be lawful, but the PHB seems to infer that this is the general case. So now we come to the problem I have with this. The PHB also states that a majority of elves are chaotic. This is a generalized rule, and of course there can be exceptions. So now we have a bunch of elves (who are for the most part chaotic), invent this class which (for the most part) favors lawful behavior. This makes sense? I think that it would have made more sense to grant chaotic elves the sorcerer, as a preferred class. >> I actually have a friend who ran a predominately elven series of campaigns and their final nemesis was a truly evil regent who they unwittingly helped into power in their first campaign. I believe the PCs could have counted the number of chaotic good elves they ran across on their fingers and toes. The elves of the past had also done some naughty magical genetic engineering on their own kind and that was coming back to haunt them as well. So in any given campaign, the book is not going to be right. As a case in point, I always perceived one of FR's races of elves to be very lawful and insular. << I agree with this. I don't have a problem with individual DMs deviating from the norm with their own campaigns. My problem was with the PHB's lack of consistency. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:50:40 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dunlendor wrote: >What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do, as opposed to >translating Mystara into a 3E campaign would be in how "tinkered" >with the rules were. Meaning specifically that Mystarans would >have access to spells that work like Mystaran spells, with >schools of magic that work like Mystaran schools do, with swords >that are just swords and nothing more than swords, with feats >that attempted to emulate the RC weapons mastery rules, with >perhaps a differing experience chart that goes up to 36, etc. >If a Mystaran 3E were to come out, there is a danger of the >setting looking too generic to the first time gamer. Also, as others have pointed out, 3E has a different tone and feel to it. I'm not sure just what 3e feels like though -- it is really new, and that makes it fresh and exciting. I think WOTC is rewriting the Realms to make it match 3e, because the old Realms has a different flavor. But I'm not willing to do the same with Mystara, because I like Mystara as it is. A D&D world is largely defined by what it leaves out, rather than what it includes. Adopting 3e indiscriminately (races, classes, spells, monsters, artifacts) really changes things, and Mystara suddenly feels a lot like Greyhawk with a different map and NPCs. Adopting only races and classes while restricting monsters and artificts is better, but still a significant change. I've already started working on a d20 game designed specifically for Mystara, as a opposed to converting Mystara to 3e. It's really not hard to do, since a lot of stuff can be cut/paste/edit from the d20 SRD, and the result is mechanically compatible with 3e without feeling like 3e. If anyone else is interested in working on this, let me know. This is a complete game from-the-ground-up (within the limits of the OGL), one that *replaces* the PHB/MM, and not merely a set of conversion rules/guidelines. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:47:19 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Byron D. Molix" wrote >>>From: John Calvin > As to Stalker being civil, I find that he is always such unless provoked, a lot. :) > Thank you, thank you. I'm always civil, although I do make exceptions for Thyatian captains... ;) [Note: I was actually the one to call into question whether I was civil or not, not John. There is no reason to state this, of course, other than I don't want anyone to misunderstand...] >> > >Ok, I have a few minor quibbles with 3E, but since I don't share Stalker's >blind hatred >I'll actually throw my "personal" opinion in here. Alphers specifically >(and most other >human mages generally) do not work as 3e Sorcerers. I think that most >"nature loving" >elves would work either as druids or sorcerers, and that a few clans work >well as >wizards. > >Pet peev #1 with 3E - Elves are listed as predominantly chaotic, and yet >they are the >creators of wizardry, a predominantly lawful class. How did the chaotic >elves create >lawful wizardry???? > >Anyway, this is easily enough fixed in my own campaigns... > >John > Well, I responded to this a long time ago. In most worlds, the number of wizards vastly outnumbers the number of elves. Thus the entry about wizards being lawful refers to most wizards and the entry about elves refers to most elves. The vast number of human wizards are likely to be lawful in alignment (but that doesn't rule out chaos in the slightest. That chaotic evil wizard is one of the best villains you can spring on a party mid-campaign) >> (snip rest) Sure, but doesn't that just make you wonder why the rules state that most wizards are lawful? It seems to me that with elves, chaotic evil wizards, and what have we, that make for a whole bunch of exception. This is a particular problem on Mystara where the wizards generally tend toward chaos because the Sphere of Energy is the preferred sphere for wizards and is associated with chaos. That and the tendency toward chaos among the Alphatians and Glantrians... - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:16:22 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Quick question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Red Steel weapons can of course, hit creatures which can only be hit by magical weapons. But are they effective against creatures which are immune to weapons of lesser than +2(or higher) enchantment? I can't find any reference that makes this clear. Also this is obviously directed at OD&D and 2nd edition AD&D. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:34:33 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is there an online source for d20 rules? >From: Michael Harvey >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:50:40 -0800 > >Dunlendor wrote: > >What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do, as opposed to > >translating Mystara into a 3E campaign would be in how "tinkered" > >with the rules were. Meaning specifically that Mystarans would > >have access to spells that work like Mystaran spells, with > >schools of magic that work like Mystaran schools do, with swords > >that are just swords and nothing more than swords, with feats > >that attempted to emulate the RC weapons mastery rules, with > >perhaps a differing experience chart that goes up to 36, etc. > >If a Mystaran 3E were to come out, there is a danger of the > >setting looking too generic to the first time gamer. > >Also, as others have pointed out, 3E has a different tone and feel to >it. I'm not sure just what 3e feels like though -- it is really new, >and that makes it fresh and exciting. I think WOTC is rewriting the >Realms to make it match 3e, because the old Realms has a different >flavor. But I'm not willing to do the same with Mystara, because I >like Mystara as it is. A D&D world is largely defined by what it >leaves out, rather than what it includes. Adopting 3e >indiscriminately (races, classes, spells, monsters, artifacts) really >changes things, and Mystara suddenly feels a lot like Greyhawk with a >different map and NPCs. Adopting only races and classes while >restricting monsters and artificts is better, but still a significant >change. > >I've already started working on a d20 game designed specifically for >Mystara, as a opposed to converting Mystara to 3e. It's really not >hard to do, since a lot of stuff can be cut/paste/edit from the d20 >SRD, and the result is mechanically compatible with 3e without >feeling like 3e. If anyone else is interested in working on this, let >me know. This is a complete game from-the-ground-up (within the >limits of the OGL), one that *replaces* the PHB/MM, and not merely a >set of conversion rules/guidelines. > >Mike > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:36:34 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > the Dreamlands or The Kingdom of the Fairies or whatever you want to call it? > > As I recall, it seemed like after the shadow elves took The Big Poop > on Alfheim, King Oberon's realm got glossed over. Was that ever > covered anywhere? I thought a Q&A article by Bruce Heard in Dragon Magazine touched on this, but I can't remember which one it was. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:47:14 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: Online source for d20 rules. (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes: http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/d20.html. There's also an "unauthorized, unofficial" FAQ about d20 at http://www.earth1066.com/D20FAQ.htm Jenni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Bertolli" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 13:34 Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon > Is there an online source for d20 rules? > > > >From: Michael Harvey > >Reply-To: Mystara > >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon > >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:50:40 -0800 > > > >Dunlendor wrote: > > >What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do, as opposed to > > >translating Mystara into a 3E campaign would be in how "tinkered" > > >with the rules were. Meaning specifically that Mystarans would > > >have access to spells that work like Mystaran spells, with > > >schools of magic that work like Mystaran schools do, with swords > > >that are just swords and nothing more than swords, with feats > > >that attempted to emulate the RC weapons mastery rules, with > > >perhaps a differing experience chart that goes up to 36, etc. > > >If a Mystaran 3E were to come out, there is a danger of the > > >setting looking too generic to the first time gamer. > > > >Also, as others have pointed out, 3E has a different tone and feel to > >it. I'm not sure just what 3e feels like though -- it is really new, > >and that makes it fresh and exciting. I think WOTC is rewriting the > >Realms to make it match 3e, because the old Realms has a different > >flavor. But I'm not willing to do the same with Mystara, because I > >like Mystara as it is. A D&D world is largely defined by what it > >leaves out, rather than what it includes. Adopting 3e > >indiscriminately (races, classes, spells, monsters, artifacts) really > >changes things, and Mystara suddenly feels a lot like Greyhawk with a > >different map and NPCs. Adopting only races and classes while > >restricting monsters and artificts is better, but still a significant > >change. > > > >I've already started working on a d20 game designed specifically for > >Mystara, as a opposed to converting Mystara to 3e. It's really not > >hard to do, since a lot of stuff can be cut/paste/edit from the d20 > >SRD, and the result is mechanically compatible with 3e without > >feeling like 3e. If anyone else is interested in working on this, let > >me know. This is a complete game from-the-ground-up (within the > >limits of the OGL), one that *replaces* the PHB/MM, and not merely a > >set of conversion rules/guidelines. > > > >Mike > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:49:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit c_furneaux wrote: >> > Second, if all Alphatian wizards are sorcerors, then this has some consequences, as there would be no spellbooks or traditions for them in Alphatia, and there would likely be very few spells (because Sorcerors can learn very few). That would never work IMC because I've always thought of the Alphatians have having massive libraries of spellbooks and magic primers and lots and lots of peculiar spells, but it might work in your's... > I agree they should have spellbooks. >> Sorcerors don't have spellbooks, though! >>Being someone who doesn't own 3e, and isn't buying 3e, but had a brief encouter with BG2 and it's sorcerers my opinion is a fairly uninformed with regards to them. What I have gathered is that sorcerers can innately cast any spell from the spell list within level limits and no. of spells a day, without having to choose which ones to memorize in the morning. They do however get a reduced spell list. >> A massively reduced spell list! In fact, they can cast very few spells at all... They just get to cast those often. >>My assumption is that they are able to do this because they are born with magical talents in their gene's. So if most or all pure alphatians are born with this talent, while very few of other races are born with this talent, that makes alphatians different. While not everyone can be sorcerers, most with significant intelegence can learn spells as a mage does. The original Alphatians were sorcerers, "almost every member of their race used magic, the rest, those few children born without the gift of magic, were trained to use their physical gifts to the uptmost level" (DotE PGtA pg 4) and "looked different from the everyday Alphatians of today." The alphatians absorbed a race called the Cypris, and by doing this I would say they diluted their gene's. "Not needing to work except for the ocational application of magic, they grew soft and decadent." >> A few things here - sorcerors base their power of magic on charisma, not intelligence. While having high stats is always good, a high intelligence score has no bearing on the amount of spells a sorceror may cast or learn! Also, the Cypri race is actually what is known as the Common Alphatian race today (typically with coppery skin and red or brown hair). The original Alphatians of whom you speak are called the "Pure" Alphatians (generally tall, pale, and with dark hair), but they are very rare in contemporary Mystara. In fact, the only one I can remember right now is Torenal, Eriadna's lover and father of some of her children, but he was killed during WOTI and ironically he was, of course, a warrior and knew no magic whatsoever... >>When they arived on Mystara so many of their great artifacts had been used up, and many of their great wizards had perished. Also the mages found that magic was different and they had to re-learn the concepts of their macic and it's use. Once they had concidered themselves rivals with the immortals but no more. I would sergest that the original alphatians were sorcerers, and that when the absorbed the cypris (most likely without the sorcerer gene, but highly intelegent) into their culture they taught them to use magic but to do this it had to be written down and memorized, as it is today. >> The real problem here is that by the time Old Alphatia was destroyed the Cypri/Alphatian 'racial exchange' (the Pure Alphatians conquered the Cypri and brought them into their culture, but they eventually adopted most of the Cypri ways themselves, so in a way the 'assimilation' was reversed!) had already taken place long, long ago... In DOTE's Player Guide to Alpahtia, this is noted well before the Time of Air and Fire, which begins BC 1,200 - 200 years before Old Alphatia is destroyed! In the DM Sourcebook (p.6) this is probably what's hinted at around BC 3,000 AC - a full 2,000 years before Old Alphatia's destruction! >> Slowly the pure alphatians became fewer and fewer and less were born able to weald magic by shear will and understanding. However those with Alphatian gene's were more adept to cast spells for they could minipulate them as they were being cast, so that the effect was greater, or could vary it. The greatest sorcerers could manipulate magic into new forms and these new forms (spells bassically) they taught to eagar students, >> Don't forget - 3e sorcery is not 'taught' as such, because it's an innate talent. Sorcerors just begin to spontaneously develop their talent during puberty without any training or tutoring whatsoever... >> cutting out the need for such research and testing because they could just "create" and "mold" it. These sorcerers created powerful artifacts for their followers, so that the magic that only they could make, could be used be others if nececary. With the decreasing number of powerful sorcerers, less and less was discovered and as the society grew decadent and addicted to zzonga the desire to expand their knowledge diminished. >> This is really at the heart of the problem - knowledge. Sorcerors don't 'expand' their knowledge of magic because they don't research it - they just have the innate ability to cast some spells, and that's it! I'm not so much into 3e that I'm sure whether sorcerors can create magic items I'd find it very odd if they could make scrolls though) and, if so, which, but given that 3e does state that you can only create items that duplicate effects from the spells you know, that would already severely limit the amount of items sorcerors could create right there! >>When the war broke out between the air and fire followers, there were few sorcerers left, and those that were, were not a great as those of old. Many of the great magic artifacts were used in the war and sorcerers killed. >> If all Alphatian sorcerors died at this point, then why do we even bother discussing them? They all died over 2,000 years ago then... >> On arrival in Mystara their gene's once again began to dilute and thus even less alphatians were born with such great magical talent, and the surviving sorcerers had to re-learn the ways of magic. >> According to DOTE, this had a lot more to do with the reality of Mystara being very different to that of Old Alphatia. IIRC, WOTI even mentions that the dimension in which Old Alphatia existed was an outer plane rather than a/the prime material plane (I don't care so much for that bit myself, but there it is...) >> There was not enough time or enough of them for them to re-work the magic of old and so they concentrated on teaching others the ways of magic in this new world. Now none of the old sorcerers remain, and only a handful exist and they are no where near as great as the original sorcerers for their ability to see the workings of magic diminishes with each generation, and they become more reliant on studying the conventional methods. However this ability in a person makes them much more adept and useful as a mage and so the alphatians check at birth if a child has the vision and if they do they take them in in the knowledge that they are gifted and can create new and more powerful spells then others. >> For some reason I'm getting the impression that you're implying that Alphatians are checked to see if they can become sorcerors or not. If they can't they become wizards. However, DOTE says that 20% can become Magic-Users (lets use the old term) - the rest of the population, 80%, just doesn't have the potential and have to be clerics or warriors or whatever... So all Alphatians are checked for the potential, but everyone would *want* to be a wizard (or sorceror) because that would make them esteemed aristocrats... >>Just a thought. Sure. I just can't stand that sorceror class - there is a reason why someone (and no, it wasn't me!) nicknamed it 'Fireball Dispenser' on DND-L shortly after 3e was released... It's a funny comment, but it's also quite revealing I fear. I apologize if anyone is offended by my comments, though. Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:04:15 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html ---- Original Message ---- From: abertoll@HOTMAIL.COM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM, Subject: Re: Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:34:33 -0000 >Is there an online source for d20 rules? > > >>From: Michael Harvey >>Reply-To: Mystara >>To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >>Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Why the Almanac should NOT be considered >Canon >>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:50:40 -0800 >> >>Dunlendor wrote: >> >What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do, as opposed to >> >translating Mystara into a 3E campaign would be in how "tinkered" >> >with the rules were. Meaning specifically that Mystarans would >> >have access to spells that work like Mystaran spells, with >> >schools of magic that work like Mystaran schools do, with swords >> >that are just swords and nothing more than swords, with feats >> >that attempted to emulate the RC weapons mastery rules, with >> >perhaps a differing experience chart that goes up to 36, etc. >> >If a Mystaran 3E were to come out, there is a danger of the >> >setting looking too generic to the first time gamer. >> >>Also, as others have pointed out, 3E has a different tone and feel >to >>it. I'm not sure just what 3e feels like though -- it is really new, >>and that makes it fresh and exciting. I think WOTC is rewriting the >>Realms to make it match 3e, because the old Realms has a different >>flavor. But I'm not willing to do the same with Mystara, because I >>like Mystara as it is. A D&D world is largely defined by what it >>leaves out, rather than what it includes. Adopting 3e >>indiscriminately (races, classes, spells, monsters, artifacts) >really >>changes things, and Mystara suddenly feels a lot like Greyhawk with >a >>different map and NPCs. Adopting only races and classes while >>restricting monsters and artificts is better, but still a >significant >>change. >> >>I've already started working on a d20 game designed specifically for >>Mystara, as a opposed to converting Mystara to 3e. It's really not >>hard to do, since a lot of stuff can be cut/paste/edit from the d20 >>SRD, and the result is mechanically compatible with 3e without >>feeling like 3e. If anyone else is interested in working on this, >let >>me know. This is a complete game from-the-ground-up (within the >>limits of the OGL), one that *replaces* the PHB/MM, and not merely a >>set of conversion rules/guidelines. >> >>Mike >> >>******************************************************************** >>The Other Worlds Homepage: >http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >>The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >>To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >>with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:06:29 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rod G Subject: Rod (the new entry) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G.P. Agosta wrote: > > 4) How that project will be organized? > > Uh, each contributor writes a description of a Known World nation, and > then we pack the whole stuff together... other details are yet to be > decided. I it is "free" yet, I wish to write about Darokin... The best nations that I know are Glantry and Darokin, but now I'm plying (since 6-7 years) a nice merchant of Darokin (Ace Corun). I like that country very much. And my PG, as a direct descendant of one of the greatest merchant-family of Darokin, it is a honor to him to show foreigners the beauty of that country ^-^ Bye! Rod _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:13:00 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Quick question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Red steel counts as silver, cold iron, and +0 (ie, magical, but with no +) all in one. So red steel could hit shadows (hit only by magical weapons, no plus specified though), wights (hit only by silver) and demons from the Abyss (hit by cold iron), but not elementals (+2 weapon needed). Its other property is that it accepts enchantments much more easily than other metals, making the production of magical red steel weapons that much easier. There is no precise rule on what this means exactly, but I allow certain spells to be cast into red steel with the Enchant an Item spell at level 6 (2nd ed) without the need for the production of a bona fide magical item, with all the required ingredients and so on that that entails. Hope thats helpful Cheers Rob > Red Steel weapons can of course, hit creatures which can only be hit by > magical weapons. But are they effective against creatures which are immune > to weapons of lesser than +2(or higher) enchantment? I can't find > any reference that makes this clear. Also this is obviously directed at OD&D > and 2nd edition AD&D. > > Dave Keyser > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:18:35 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Beginner's Guide (was:New Entry in MML) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> Hi! I'm Rod: a new entry in MML. > (snip) > Welcome. Always good to see new people here. It tells me that Mystara is still alive and kicking! :) welcome indeed. > >Sure you can: we're looking for contributors to write nation entries > >right now! > Sorry for butting in here, but is there any particular reason why nobody will respond to my mails, on the list or private, on this subject? :( well I concidered not replying but then I though that wouldn't be very nice given I've got Alphatia to write about..... but I'd value an alphatians input. Other then that e-mail Giampaolo Agosta at agathokles@libero.it to join the group. (that goes for all interested in contributing) I can't think of anything to stop you. I think Ylaruam, Northern Reaches, Ierendi/Minrothad/Sea People, Five Shires, Ethengar, and Atruaghin are still to be assigned. I did send you a mail the other day. But there was a mail that said if you didn't recieve a message about the group soon (now is past soon) to e-mail agathokles as above. > >> 1) That guide, will be printed, on-line, or both? > > > >There's been no final decision. My guess is that it will be both an > >on-line addition to the Vaults of Pandius, and a printable document (a > >pdf, probably). > > > Somebody is actually considering printing it? I think he just means it will be in easily printable format, not actually avalible in print (unless individuals print it off and distribute it themselves, but that has some potential copyright issues with money being involved) Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:29:32 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: quarik Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is there any online information on quariks (from the creature catalogue) Angelo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:00:14 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Beginner's Guide (was:New Entry in MML) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:18:35 +1300 c_furneaux writes: > I think Ylaruam, Northern Reaches, Ierendi/Minrothad/Sea People, > Five > Shires, Ethengar, and Atruaghin are still to be assigned. I can handle Ierendi and the Sea Peoples, if that is still open. [Here's hoping I'll have enoguh time...] Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:05:21 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: quarik In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > Is there any online information on quariks (from the creature catalogue) Not that I know of. And other than the entry in the Creature Catalogue, there is no other canon reference that i've found about the Quariks. They are an interesting race, and in a previously unexplored region (hyborea), so anyone can do work on them. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:41:47 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "ramhog" > the Dreamlands or The Kingdom of the Fairies or whatever you want to call it? > > As I recall, it seemed like after the shadow elves took The Big Poop > on Alfheim, King Oberon's realm got glossed over. Was that ever > covered anywhere? I think Bruce Heard gave a quick answer in some issue of Dragon magazine. As I understand it, the Dreamlands were put in stasis pending a later restoration (when the forest became "untwisted" once again) or relegation to the Hollow World. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:43:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wrote: > What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do, as opposed to = translating > Mystara into a 3E campaign would be in how "tinkered" with the rules = were. > Meaning specifically that Mystarans would have access to spells that = work > like Mystaran spells, with schools of magic that work like Mystaran = schools > do, with swords that are just swords and nothing more than swords, = with feats > that attempted to emulate the RC weapons mastery rules, with perhaps a > differing experience chart that goes up to 36, etc. I see. That's cool. And it seemed that others are already well on their = way to doing this. It's a fine idea and certainly worth a try, if = there's a chance new players might get interested in Mystara. I, for one, have no interest in a system that emulates OD&D, since I = already play with OD&D. When I pick up new players, which I've done a = few times lately, I introduce them to OD&D (they have few prior rpg = experiences). And since we rarely have need for more than one rulebook = (or any rulebook for that matter), it works fine. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:21:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Updates at "Swanamutu Online Gazetteer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have uploaded an atlas of the Tangor region (Almanac format), although the Tangor Empire entry is incomplete. I have also uploaded a rough sketch of a map, basing it on Christian Constantin's map of Skothar at Thibault's site. I hope that the really good mappers of the list will make a good use of it! Feedback and comments appreciated, I have also changed some minor mistakes that I found thanks especially to John Calvin and Michael Diehm in the old files. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:40:33 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) In-Reply-To: <004101c0a3cf$0b78d580$74ed61d4@skytte> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII wrote: >What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do Erk. Can we use correct terminology here? Mystara is not a 'game', it is a campaign setting. It is rules independant - though xD&D ruleset conversions require a lot of thought and cannot ever be put together slapdash (or you end up with the AD&D2 conversion :) What you want to do is translate oD&D to a d20 game. oD&D is the game 'system'. Mystara is not. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:00:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Beginner's Guide (was:New Entry in MML) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit c_furneaux wrote: > > I did send you a mail the other day. But there was a mail that said if you > didn't recieve a message about the group soon (now is past soon) to e-mail > agathokles as above. He did! And I (thought I had) replied, but probably I messed up something and my mail did not reach the Stalker :( -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 13:36:56 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dunlendor@AOL.COM Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2001 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, edeneau@ANTARES.PHYS.CLEMSON.EDU writes: > >What translating Mystara into a d20 game would do > > Erk. > > Can we use correct terminology here? Mystara is not a 'game', it is a > campaign setting. It is rules independant - though xD&D ruleset > conversions require a lot of thought and cannot ever be put together > slapdash (or you end up with the AD&D2 conversion :) > > What you want to do is translate oD&D to a d20 game. oD&D is the game > 'system'. Mystara is not. No, because what I'm talking about would be Mystara d20 not OD&D d20. There are bunches of things that are in Mystara that are not in the RC, and if someone were to convert OD&D into d20 then I think you would find yourself in a situation such as the AD&D conversion very quickly. I believe it was Beau who pointed out certain monsters that don't "feel" Mystaran that made it into the AD&D version. JMH ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:57:11 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Beginner's Guide (was:New Entry in MML) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agathokles wrote: >> c_furneaux wrote: > > I did send you a mail the other day. But there was a mail that said if you > didn't recieve a message about the group soon (now is past soon) to e-mail > agathokles as above. He did! And I (thought I had) replied, but probably I messed up something and my mail did not reach the Stalker :( >> -- You might not be to blame for that because I've been having no end of trouble with my mail here in last few days (weeks actually!). Since I use this address almost exclusively for the MML, I was fairly certain that it was a problem from that since the mails I sent did arrive in the MML archives at , and some of you may have noted that I've mentioned this several times to the list admin recently. However, if you've mailed to me off-list on this subject, then something might be wrong with my account at angelfire because I haven't received any such reply. I was wondering though since I received no personal replies, and none were posted to the MML. I'll have to make the administrators of angelfire aware of this... :( Meanwhile, don't send personal mails to me, or if you do, resend them if I don't respond as in that case they will not have arrived. Agathokles, I'll be contacting you from another address shortly! Sorry for all the trouble... - The Stalker Meanwhile, ignore the ad below - they don't deserve us to take notice when the mail service is so rotten - a curse upon them! :( Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:43:32 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Updates at "Swanamutu Online Gazetteer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you refresh me as what your URL is please? Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroletti To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Updates at "Swanamutu Online Gazetteer" > I have uploaded an atlas of the Tangor region (Almanac format), although > the Tangor Empire > entry is incomplete. I have also uploaded a rough sketch of a map, > basing it on Christian > Constantin's map of Skothar at Thibault's site. I hope that the really > good mappers of the list > will make a good use of it! > Feedback and comments appreciated, I have also changed some minor > mistakes that I found > thanks especially to John Calvin and Michael Diehm in the old files. > > Iulius Sergius Scaevola > Captain of the XXth Cohort > Port Lucinius, Thyatis > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:43:31 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) In-Reply-To: <47.82b9979.27d293c8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 Dunlendor@AOL.COM wrote: > No, because what I'm talking about would be Mystara d20 not OD&D d20. There Not quite. Everything in the Mystara setting is based on the oD&D system. You're converting the system with the setting attached. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:41:26 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Founding of Glantri (was: Re: Alphatian mages in 3E) In-Reply-To: <003101c0a318$d74c0540$ccf217d2@fanavarro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > And hush you loud Thyatian... > [ever so suavely casts a *muffle the uncouth barbarian* spell] Hmm... Muffle the Uncouth Barbarian (Level 1) Range: 120' Duration: 12 turns Effect: Silences one person This spell prevents the target from speaking, unless they succeed at a saving throw vs. Spells. They can go through the motions, but no sound is emitted. The spell lasts for two hours. There is a very simple counterspell which negates the effect, however; it has no vocal component and all spellcasters learn it as part of their training. Thus, a wizard who is affected by a "Muffle" spell is usually only affected for one round, during which time they activate the counter-charm. For this reason, the muffle spell is usually reserved for pranks and silencing non-spellcasters. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:10:01 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dunlendor@AOL.COM Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2001 1:44:10 PM Central Standard Time, edeneau@ANTARES.PHYS.CLEMSON.EDU writes: > Not quite. Everything in the Mystara setting is based on the oD&D > system. You're converting the system with the setting attached. > > Ethan Everything except whatever elements that came from the AD&D conversion. I don't know whats in that that might make it over, but surely there's got to be something? JMH ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:11:19 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: The Enchantress of Sylaire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here's a new adventure scenario for you folks. It was inspired by the Clark Ashton Smith story of the same title. In Mystara, put it Glantri, in the woods just east of the Tower of Sylaire in New Averoigne. It would also go well in a remote forest in Karameikos, but you'd need to change the names. The adventure would work best with a single male PC, though you could adapt it to work with a party. You'll probably need a male PC on which to focus, however. Here is a link to the original story, which is quite good: http://members.nbci.com/eldritchdark/wri/short/ enchantressofsylaire.html So, without further ado... Sephora, The Enchantress of Sylaire THE HOOK While traveling through the woods, the party sees a lovely maiden bathing in a pool. As they watch, she arises and steps out of the pool, completely nude. The male PC should notice by this point that she is drop-dead gorgeous. As she moves to get her clothes, the character notices a huge wolf hidden in the bushes, watching her. If the character intercedes to warn her or protect her, she introduces herself. She seems unconcerned about the wolf (her pet) or her nakedness, and when she dresses, dresses like a noblewoman, though the style is archaic. She invites the character to accompany her to her home. If he hesitates, she hints at something that will entice the character: knowledge, wealth, magic... If a character refuses, she will not force him, but will send a vampire after him that night. At this point, Detect Evil will show her to be evil, but the wolf is not. THE ENCHANTED REALM If the character accompanies her, she leads him to a magic portal formed of two upright stones with a third stone over the top. The stones are ancient, mossy, and carved with strange glyphs. She takes him through a magic portal into a beautiful faerie realm, where a small castle is built on a hill. She explains that she is an enchantress, and she lives alone in this otherworld, the last of her family. The character can leave anytime he wants, but she is lonely in her enchanted realm, and wouldn't he like to stay for a while? The enchanted realm has her castle in its center, surrounded by meadows in perpetual springtime springtime bloom. Beyond this is a delightful forest. About two miles beyond the castle (in any direction), the land ends abruptly at a sheer cliff. There are butterflies, dragonflies, and birds, but no large game, no people, and no wild monsters. The faerie realm is a pocket dimension. Detect magic is useless, as everything here is magical (except what the characters brought in with them). The following spells do not work here: - Teleport, Dimension Door, and Gate will not function - Clairvoyance cannot see outside - Detect Evil will not function - Contact Higher Plane will not function LEAVING THE ENCHANTED REALM In order to leave, the character must make a saving throw vs Spells. This save is not actually made until the moment the character tries to step out of the portal (so as not to tip him off that he is falling under an enchantment). The GM should be careful to note each time the character gives consideration to leaving. Each time he thinks about it and does not do so, the enchantment grows stronger (-2 penalty to save). Each night the character stays in the castle, the enchantment also grows stronger (-2 penalty to save). These penalties are cumulative, though a 20 will always succeed. Failing a save means the character loses an experience level to the Enchantress, who is really a Whispering Fiend (Succubus). Time passes in a pleasant magical haze in the otherworld; for every failed save, consult the following table to determine how much time has passed. (Roll 1d6 + Wisdom modifer): 1. 1-3 years pass 2. 7-12 months pass 3. 2-12 months pass 4. 1-6 months pass 5. 2-7 weeks pass 6. 1-4 weeks pass 7. 2-7 days pass 8. one day passes 9. no time passes A character reduced to level zero becomes a vampire under the control of the Enchantress. Every night the enchantress enjoys an exquisite feast, served by her beautiful servants (vampires). She indulges character's every desire, and there is absolutely no hint of danger or menace. If character talk of leaving, she mentions some wonders in her little realm that they might like to see: (1) Clairvoyant Pool: She claims this pool is clairvoyant, but in reality it only shows characters what they want to see, so as to convince them to stay in the enchanted realm. It is very convincing. (2) Healing Fruit: Certain trees in the wood bear fruit which is equivalent to a Heal spell. The healing is only temporary and is lost upon leaving the enchanted realm, and the fruit loses its efficacy as well. (3) The Unicorn: She takes the characters into the wood to see her unicorn, in reality a powerful illusion. (4) The Ancient Shrine: An old shrine in the wood, overgrown with flowering vines. It contains no image or symbol, and she tells the characters it is a shrine to whatever god they worship. In reality it is an evil fane, dedicated to Entropy. PROBING FURTHER A wolf prowls the wood and castle. This is a Lawful magic-user who she cursed. He can become human for 1 turn by chewing a certain hard-to-find root. If he can catch a character alone he will do so and reveal himself, telling the characters they must flee to save themselves. If the enchantress hears of this, she explains that he is an ex-lover who drank from a magical pool and become a werewolf, and that she was unable to reverse the curse but cares for him out of pity, but that he has become deranged in his jealousy. She later sends her servants out to destroy the wolf. The enchantress lives in the topmost tower of her castle. The door is Wizard Locked. Here she has magical books and assorted lab equipment, including a Wand of Polymorph. (She polymorphed the wolf and then used Charm Monster to control it) The crypts below the castle are the lair of her servants, nine vampires. These vampires appear as beautiful male and female humans. Climbing down the cliffs at the edge of the realm will reveal caves. (Note that a fall leaves the character in a misty limbo!) Exploring these caves reveal dry human bones. The sorceress explains that long ago a fiend lived there, but it is dead. This is where she leaves the bodies of her victims. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:11:19 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Woohoo! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I just found pristine copies of GAZ4 (Ierendi) and GAZ12 (Ethengar) at a local game store tonight!! BTW, if anyone lives in the vicinity of Portland OR, Ancient Wonders in Tualatin also has a copy of GAZ3 (Glantri) in stock... Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:29:11 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Woohoo! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mike Harvey" > > BTW, if anyone lives in the vicinity of Portland OR, Ancient Wonders > in Tualatin also has a copy of GAZ3 (Glantri) in stock... That would be a treasure beyond price. I know that it sold out quickly when it was first published. I do have a copy, but it is in very bad shape (probably because the first PC in my own campaign was a Glantrian Wizard....). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:42:52 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ryan Seratt Subject: Re: Quick question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/01 4:16:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, rmunch@EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > cold iron O.K., I feel dumb. I need to ask though, What is cold iron? And how is it different from regular iron? Hangs head in shame, Ryan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:00:52 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Magic Item Components MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I'm looking for some ideas for special components that would go along = with a magical item that can Cure Serious Wounds (among other things). = I already have a list of stuff that the PCs must get for the other = powers and general magic of the item. Any ideas on somehing that would = make sense for CSW or healing in general? =20 Thanks, Dan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:38:44 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: Magic Item Components In-Reply-To: <002001c0a468$16c50aa0$0265da18@D56DN901>; from deustace@MEDIAONE.NET on Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:00:52AM -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:00:52AM -0500, Dan Eustace wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'm looking for some ideas for special components that would go along with a magical item that can Cure Serious Wounds (among other things). I already have a list of stuff that the PCs must get for the other powers and general magic of the item. Any ideas on somehing that would make sense for CSW or healing in general? Trolls blood is a good component for healing items. -- knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were blowing things up, what you glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two high levels or 1,024 http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | 1st levels? - Seymour Cray on parallel | adventuring ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:33:56 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) In-Reply-To: <38.12c9a65f.27d2fdf9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 Dunlendor@AOL.COM wrote: > Everything except whatever elements that came from the AD&D conversion. I > don't know whats in that that might make it over, but surely there's got to > be something? The AD&D conversion added nothing to Mystara except typos, missed opportunities, re-written canon and a crappy music CD. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:01:39 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well I certainly don't like the idea that all elves have to be both fighters AND mages. That's bothered me. Not so much that they have to have spells, but the fact that after killing elves, you should find a spell book (or at least have in mind where their spells might have come from). That doesn't mean it's a good idea to try to adopt everything from 3e either, I just wish someone would write some modification rules to a more open race/class system for D&D. (Which I'm planning on doing.) Angelo >From: SteelAngel >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered > Canon) >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:33:56 -0500 > >On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 Dunlendor@AOL.COM wrote: > > > Everything except whatever elements that came from the AD&D conversion. >I > > don't know whats in that that might make it over, but surely there's got >to > > be something? > >The AD&D conversion added nothing to Mystara except typos, missed >opportunities, re-written canon and a crappy music CD. > > >Ethan > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:04:20 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Magic Item Components Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed garlic and ginseng are supposed to have healing properties, maybe go online and look at some herbal sites Angelo >From: Glenn Butcher >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Magic Item Components >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:38:44 +0800 > >On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:00:52AM -0500, Dan Eustace wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking for some ideas for special components that would go along >with a magical item that can Cure Serious Wounds (among other things). I >already have a list of stuff that the PCs must get for the other powers and >general magic of the item. Any ideas on somehing that would make sense for >CSW or healing in general? > >Trolls blood is a good component for healing items. > >-- >knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were blowing things up, what >you >glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two high levels or >1,024 >http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | 1st levels? - Seymour Cray on >parallel > | adventuring > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:16:13 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: d20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Angelo Bertolli" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) > Well I certainly don't like the idea that all elves have to be both fighters > AND mages. That's bothered me. Not so much that they have to have spells, > but the fact that after killing elves, you should find a spell book (or at > least have in mind where their spells might have come from). > > That doesn't mean it's a good idea to try to adopt everything from 3e > either, I just wish someone would write some modification rules to a more > open race/class system for D&D. (Which I'm planning on doing.) > > Angelo I have a PC that is an elven cleric (Icevale elf). I use the elven experience table, but grant the spells and turning abilities as a cleric of the same level. Fighting ability is as an elf (fighter), including attack ranks. I think he saves as a cleric. I basically used a variant by Bruce Heard in Dragon for the Kingdom of Eusdria, except for fighting as an elf, and not a cleric. The amount of XP to advance just didn't seem worth it just for the elven racial abilities alone. The extra fighting power made for better balance. Now he just has to hope that the other PCs can rescue him from being sacrificed by the Azcans... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 02:23:08 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Magic Item Components MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I like the troll's blood idea. I was more looking for things along the lines of monsters or something which would be exotic enough to be protected by monsters (things that will require adventuring). I assume that other rare ingredients (i.e. garlic, ginseng, etc.) are also needed, but I don't list them out, and just consider them covered in the cost of creating the item. I'll add the rare herbs to my commentary to the player, at least, though! : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Bertolli" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Magic Item Components > garlic and ginseng are supposed to have healing properties, maybe go online > and look at some herbal sites > > Angelo > > >From: Glenn Butcher > >Reply-To: Mystara > >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Magic Item Components > >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:38:44 +0800 > > > >On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 12:00:52AM -0500, Dan Eustace wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > I'm looking for some ideas for special components that would go along > >with a magical item that can Cure Serious Wounds (among other things). I > >already have a list of stuff that the PCs must get for the other powers and > >general magic of the item. Any ideas on somehing that would make sense for > >CSW or healing in general? > > > >Trolls blood is a good component for healing items. > > > >-- > >knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were blowing things up, what > >you > >glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two high levels or > >1,024 > >http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | 1st levels? - Seymour Cray on > >parallel > > | adventuring > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:12:56 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Francisco V. Navarro" Subject: Re: Quick question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Seratt > > cold iron > > O.K., I feel dumb. I need to ask though, What is cold iron? And how is it > different from regular iron? Hail Mystaran! This is a perfectly valid question. The normal process of crafting iron is to heat in the forge and strike it when its hot, in order to shape it into, say, a weapon. For cold-forged iron, you don't heat it in the forge, and you must shape it simply by hammering it. The disadvantage is that cold iron is hard and more brittle, and therefore requires more skill to mold properly. I don't exactly remember where I learned this bit--as I am not a blacksmith. I'm quite sure it was from one of the Ravenloft manuals on werecreatures, as some lycanthropes have a vulnerability to cold iron. Kit Navarro ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:31:49 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Magic Item Components MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For fantasy components, I think that the AD&D 1st ed. Dungeon Master's Guide has an inspirational list of components, mostly for potions, but could also be used as "inks for scrolls" and in other items... that book was a really nice source, lots of useful historical info for campaigns, no matter which xD&D you were running... they had an appendix for "occult properties of herbs and gemstones", quite good for what you're looking for. I can give a try, I just remember that for cure potions, the suggested components were one thread for a saint's vestment (only available to clerics I guess) and troll's blood. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:49:25 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kevin Powers Subject: Compendium Of Articles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What with all of the material at the Vaults (some of us recall that it was once known as "The Geocities Site"), most of it in articles not compiled anywhere else, there seems to be an obvious practical use for putting it all into one book... ...that said, I have attempted this task three times, on the most recent occassion tearing a fair bit of the way through the "Geography" section before giving up for lack of time. Does anyone know if there would be an easy way to convert the material in the Vaults to an RTF, DOC, PDF, etc. file(s)? If so, I would be delighted to help anyone who would be attempting this task. If we could put all of the material into a few PDFs (perhaps one per major subdivision?) then we would have a way to simply and efficiently print out the material, not to mention to read it off-line with ease. I understand that the site is in a perpetual state of updating, but if we could figure out how to efficiently do a conversion then that would allow us to re-visit the task every few months to update the compendium/collection files. Anyone know how to do this? Kevin ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:15:46 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Compendium Of Articles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wonder if, withsome collaboration, most of the articles (at least new additions) could be organized in XML format: that way you can render a HTML visual presentation as it is now as well as generating a printable file. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:33:07 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ryan Seratt Subject: Re: Quick question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/4/01 3:22:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, fanavarro@PACIFIC.NET.PH writes: > The disadvantage is that cold iron is hard and more brittle, > and therefore requires more skill to mold properly. > > Thanks Kit. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:38:14 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Woohoo! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do they have a way to pay online and to ship it to france? Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Harvey To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Woohoo! > I just found pristine copies of GAZ4 (Ierendi) and GAZ12 (Ethengar) > at a local game store tonight!! > > BTW, if anyone lives in the vicinity of Portland OR, Ancient Wonders > in Tualatin also has a copy of GAZ3 (Glantri) in stock... > > Mike > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:36:38 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Magic Item Components MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, I have an old copy of that tucked away. I've used that list in the past. Thanks for the reminder. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr�s Piquer Otero" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Magic Item Components > For fantasy components, I think that the AD&D 1st ed. Dungeon Master's Guide > has an inspirational list of components, mostly for potions, but could also > be used as "inks for scrolls" and in other items... that book was a really > nice source, lots of useful historical info for campaigns, no matter which > xD&D you were running... they had an appendix for "occult properties of > herbs and gemstones", quite good for what you're looking for. I can give a > try, I just remember that for cure potions, the suggested components were > one thread for a saint's vestment (only available to clerics I guess) and > troll's blood. > > Andr�s > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:34:56 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tinman Subject: Re: The Enchantress of Sylaire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am wondering if this is on topic or not but does anyone use PBEM or WEBRPG to play in the Mystara setting with other Mystara Fans on this list? Tim Roberts Project Leader NWN Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harvey" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] The Enchantress of Sylaire > Here's a new adventure scenario for you folks. It was inspired by the > Clark Ashton Smith story of the same title. In Mystara, put it > Glantri, in the woods just east of the Tower of Sylaire in New > Averoigne. It would also go well in a remote forest in Karameikos, > but you'd need to change the names. > > The adventure would work best with a single male PC, though you could > adapt it to work with a party. You'll probably need a male PC on > which to focus, however. > > Here is a link to the original story, which is quite good: > http://members.nbci.com/eldritchdark/wri/short/ > enchantressofsylaire.html > > So, without further ado... > > > > > Sephora, The Enchantress of Sylaire > > THE HOOK > > While traveling through the woods, the party sees a lovely maiden > bathing in a pool. As they watch, she arises and steps out of the > pool, completely nude. The male PC should notice by this point that > she is drop-dead gorgeous. > > As she moves to get her clothes, the character notices a huge wolf > hidden in the bushes, watching her. > > If the character intercedes to warn her or protect her, she > introduces herself. She seems unconcerned about the wolf (her pet) or > her nakedness, and when she dresses, dresses like a noblewoman, > though the style is archaic. She invites the character to accompany > her to her home. If he hesitates, she hints at something that will > entice the character: knowledge, wealth, magic... If a character > refuses, she will not force him, but will send a vampire after him > that night. > > At this point, Detect Evil will show her to be evil, but the wolf is > not. > > THE ENCHANTED REALM > > If the character accompanies her, she leads him to a magic portal > formed of two upright stones with a third stone over the top. The > stones are ancient, mossy, and carved with strange glyphs. She > takes him through a magic portal into a beautiful faerie realm, where > a small castle is built on a hill. She explains that she is an > enchantress, and she lives alone in this otherworld, the last of her > family. The character can leave anytime he wants, but she is lonely > in her enchanted realm, and wouldn't he like to stay for a while? > > The enchanted realm has her castle in its center, surrounded by > meadows in perpetual springtime springtime bloom. Beyond this is a > delightful forest. About two miles beyond the castle (in any > direction), the land ends abruptly at a sheer cliff. There are > butterflies, dragonflies, and birds, but no large game, no people, and > no wild monsters. > > The faerie realm is a pocket dimension. Detect magic is useless, as > everything here is magical (except what the characters brought in > with them). The following spells do not work here: > - Teleport, Dimension Door, and Gate will not function > - Clairvoyance cannot see outside > - Detect Evil will not function > - Contact Higher Plane will not function > > LEAVING THE ENCHANTED REALM > > In order to leave, the character must make a saving throw vs Spells. > This save is not actually made until the moment the character tries to > step out of the portal (so as not to tip him off that he is falling > under an enchantment). > > The GM should be careful to note each time the character gives > consideration to leaving. Each time he thinks about it and does not do > so, the enchantment grows stronger (-2 penalty to save). Each night > the character stays in the castle, the enchantment also grows stronger > (-2 penalty to save). These penalties are cumulative, though a 20 will > always succeed. > > Failing a save means the character loses an experience level to the > Enchantress, who is really a Whispering Fiend (Succubus). Time passes > in a pleasant magical haze in the otherworld; for every failed save, > consult the following table to determine how much time has passed. > (Roll 1d6 + Wisdom modifer): > > 1. 1-3 years pass > 2. 7-12 months pass > 3. 2-12 months pass > 4. 1-6 months pass > 5. 2-7 weeks pass > 6. 1-4 weeks pass > 7. 2-7 days pass > 8. one day passes > 9. no time passes > > A character reduced to level zero becomes a vampire under the control > of the Enchantress. > > Every night the enchantress enjoys an exquisite feast, served by her > beautiful servants (vampires). She indulges character's every desire, > and there is absolutely no hint of danger or menace. If character > talk of leaving, she mentions some wonders in her little realm that > they might like to see: > > (1) Clairvoyant Pool: She claims this pool is clairvoyant, but in > reality it only shows characters what they want to see, so as to > convince them to stay in the enchanted realm. It is very convincing. > > (2) Healing Fruit: Certain trees in the wood bear fruit which is > equivalent to a Heal spell. The healing is only temporary and is lost > upon leaving the enchanted realm, and the fruit loses its efficacy as > well. > > (3) The Unicorn: She takes the characters into the wood to see her > unicorn, in reality a powerful illusion. > > (4) The Ancient Shrine: An old shrine in the wood, overgrown with > flowering vines. It contains no image or symbol, and she tells the > characters it is a shrine to whatever god they worship. In reality it > is an evil fane, dedicated to Entropy. > > PROBING FURTHER > > A wolf prowls the wood and castle. This is a Lawful magic-user who she > cursed. He can become human for 1 turn by chewing a certain > hard-to-find root. If he can catch a character alone he will do so and > reveal himself, telling the characters they must flee to save > themselves. If the enchantress hears of this, she explains that he is > an ex-lover who drank from a magical pool and become a werewolf, and > that she was unable to reverse the curse but cares for him out of > pity, but that he has become deranged in his jealousy. She later sends > her servants out to destroy the wolf. > > The enchantress lives in the topmost tower of her castle. The door is > Wizard Locked. Here she has magical books and assorted lab equipment, > including a Wand of Polymorph. (She polymorphed the wolf and then used > Charm Monster to control it) > > The crypts below the castle are the lair of her servants, nine > vampires. These vampires appear as beautiful male and female humans. > > Climbing down the cliffs at the edge of the realm will reveal caves. > (Note that a fall leaves the character in a misty limbo!) Exploring > these caves reveal dry human bones. The sorceress explains that long > ago a fiend lived there, but it is dead. This is where she leaves the > bodies of her victims. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:52:20 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Trading Post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Mike Harvey's "Woohoo!" message reminded me to bring up something that I think we on the list could all benefit from. What do you folks think about a "trading post" where we could list OD&D items we have for sale or trade? It could be a feature of the Vaults of Pandius site, but I think we would be better served if, perhaps, it was kept to the list. This way, we could avoid the chickenhawks who snatch these item's up only to turn right around and sell them on ebay and cut us poor souls who would actually use the stuff a little slack. Anybody who, like myself, has tried to pick up the Gazetteers (for instance) on ebay knows how ugly that can be- I recently shelled out more than $40 for Alfheim! Well, that's the gist of it. Think this could work? VVH PS- Despite the fact that I live in Kansas didn't prevent me from calling up Ancient Wonders and buying GAZ13! Thanks for the tip, Mike. :) -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:57:48 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "ramhog" > Mike Harvey's "Woohoo!" message reminded me to bring up something > that I think we on the list could all benefit from. > > What do you folks think about a "trading post" where we could list > OD&D items we have for sale or trade? It could be a feature of the > Vaults of Pandius site, but I think we would be better served if, > perhaps, it was kept to the list. This way, we could avoid the > chickenhawks who snatch these item's up only to turn right around and > sell them on ebay and cut us poor souls who would actually use the > stuff a little slack. Anybody who, like myself, has tried to pick up > the Gazetteers (for instance) on ebay knows how ugly that can be- I > recently shelled out more than $40 for Alfheim! > > Well, that's the gist of it. Think this could work? I see only one problem with that approach: I have exactly one copy each of nearly every Mystara product ever published. Do I wish to sell any of them? Hell no! And I suspect that most others on this list would feel the same way. So, while there would be many eager buyers on this list, I suspect that willing sellers may be few and far between. But if I am wrong on this point -- go for it! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:42:25 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <0f7f01c0a517$b794ff80$6ba61a26@q6s7w2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >I see only one problem with that approach: I have exactly one >copy each of nearly every Mystara product ever published. Do >I wish to sell any of them? Hell no! And I suspect that most >others on this list would feel the same way. So, while there >would be many eager buyers on this list, I suspect that willing >sellers may be few and far between. But if I am wrong on this >point -- go for it! > As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), in the hopes that I could trade it for a copy of, say, Minrothad Guilds (another hot gazetteer on ebay, although I can't say why). I would only do this if I could find one at a good price- my copy of Elves of Alfheim, for instance, ain't goin' anywhere! :) But I don't even need to use an imaginary example. I have waiting for me two copies of The Tree of Life with the intention of trading one of them to someone here for one of the few KW/Gaz items still need. If it turns out that I don't have any takers then I'll put it up for auction. I also have a copy of The Five Shires coming my way, but since I happen to really hate that one, there's a chance I may want to get rid of it. But I would make it available here first before I'd put it on the auction block. I've also discovered a game shop that has a number of old OD&D modules collecting dust (last time I checked, anyway). He let "Where Chaos Reigns" go to me two bucks! If I thought there was someone here who REALLY needed a particular module and I could find it there cheap, I wouldn't necessarily be past picking it up for them. There ya go!, VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:08:15 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: Trading Post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I see only one problem with that approach: I have exactly one >copy each of nearly every Mystara product ever published. Do >I wish to sell any of them? Hell no! And I suspect that most >others on this list would feel the same way. So, while there >would be many eager buyers on this list, I suspect that willing >sellers may be few and far between. Your right, there may be few sellers on the list. But think about the MMLers (like myself) that live outside USA or Europe. We have to stick to online stores as (at least in my country) we have no chance at all to find old oD&D books in used book stores. It would be nice if our fellow MMLers would let us know when there is some book in the shop next to his house, one that he is not interested into. Then we could ask these people to buy the book for us (of course the buyer would cover all mailing expenses). Mystara fans helping Mystara fans (and letting profit oriented people out of our throats). Darkblood _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:42:47 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It can't hurt to set something like this up. Personally, I have nearly 100% of the stuff that I want, but there are always a few things missing or in need of replacement. Some stuff on e-bay gets pretty out of hand, too. B5 just went for over $20. I saw trail maps a couple of weeks ago for close to $50! It is definitely possible to help each other out. I led someone on the MML to a copy of X10, and I got a friend of mine a Rules Cyclopedia for $6! I do have duplicates of some items, but the original copies are very used. Maybe someone would want stuff like this. Of course, if all of this comes on-line, it would be a moot point. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ramhog" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > > > >I see only one problem with that approach: I have exactly one > >copy each of nearly every Mystara product ever published. Do > >I wish to sell any of them? Hell no! And I suspect that most > >others on this list would feel the same way. So, while there > >would be many eager buyers on this list, I suspect that willing > >sellers may be few and far between. But if I am wrong on this > >point -- go for it! > > > > As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, > I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought > after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), in the hopes that I could > trade it for a copy of, say, Minrothad Guilds (another hot gazetteer > on ebay, although I can't say why). I would only do this if I could > find one at a good price- my copy of Elves of Alfheim, for instance, > ain't goin' anywhere! :) > > But I don't even need to use an imaginary example. I have waiting for > me two copies of The Tree of Life with the intention of trading one > of them to someone here for one of the few KW/Gaz items still need. > If it turns out that I don't have any takers then I'll put it up for > auction. I also have a copy of The Five Shires coming my way, but > since I happen to really hate that one, there's a chance I may want > to get rid of it. But I would make it available here first before I'd > put it on the auction block. > > I've also discovered a game shop that has a number of old OD&D > modules collecting dust (last time I checked, anyway). He let "Where > Chaos Reigns" go to me two bucks! If I thought there was someone here > who REALLY needed a particular module and I could find it there > cheap, I wouldn't necessarily be past picking it up for them. > > > There ya go!, > VVH > > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 04:59:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), Hey, just a small tip: beware ebay info on market fluctuations!!!!! I've seen some quite common Mystara products reach ridiculously high prices, just cuz people got a "bidding frenzy" and created a false feeling of "rarity". I don't know now, but a couple months ago GAZ13 could be bought new from the wizards online store, just for one example. There are some sites which do a good job at classifying D&D products according to rarity (acaeum.com is the king for that, it even keeps a list of recommended prices and monitors auctions, sadly it's not being updated till spring)... I think it's a good idea to "open a site" (or section in vaults) which is mystara focused in keeping info on stores and auctions... I've run into quite a few products which I already own, and it's a pity they keep accumulating dust... in my last trip to NY, the Compleat Strategist had 10 (I counted them) copies of GAZ12 and 3 whole sets of the PWA series!!!!! those things should not be missed... I guess that, unless info is shared, those items will remain accumulating dust, or just get trashed when stores close, something quite usual... pity Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:18:14 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tinman Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think this is a great idea I have been buying a few items up on eBay this weekend and probably spent a couple 100$ just replacing items that are getting warn out. I just saw the Elves of Alfheim go for over 80$ yesterday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr�s Piquer Otero" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > >As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, > I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought > after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), > > Hey, just a small tip: beware ebay info on market fluctuations!!!!! I've > seen some quite common Mystara products reach ridiculously high prices, just > cuz people got a "bidding frenzy" and created a false feeling of "rarity". I > don't know now, but a couple months ago GAZ13 could be bought new from the > wizards online store, just for one example. There are some sites which do a > good job at classifying D&D products according to rarity (acaeum.com is the > king for that, it even keeps a list of recommended prices and monitors > auctions, sadly it's not being updated till spring)... I think it's a good > idea to "open a site" (or section in vaults) which is mystara focused in > keeping info on stores and auctions... I've run into quite a few products > which I already own, and it's a pity they keep accumulating dust... in my > last trip to NY, the Compleat Strategist had 10 (I counted them) copies of > GAZ12 and 3 whole sets of the PWA series!!!!! those things should not be > missed... I guess that, unless info is shared, those items will remain > accumulating dust, or just get trashed when stores close, something quite > usual... pity > > Andr�s > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:21:51 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's a question for Shawn: Since starflung is the official Mystara site for WotC, and they're supposedly in the process of scanning in and making available all of the OOP stuff, would they object if some of us volunteered to expedite the process. In other words, could we scan the stuff in and post it on your site, and over it as downloads? It would save them the hassle. The only question would be whether or not there would be any charge due to WotC. If the downloads are free, then it shouldn't matter. They could just have a link on their site to the downloads site on starflung. Is this an option? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tinman" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > I think this is a great idea I have been buying a few items up on eBay this > weekend and probably spent a couple 100$ just replacing items that are > getting warn out. I just saw the Elves of Alfheim go for over 80$ > yesterday. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andr�s Piquer Otero" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > > > > >As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, > > I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought > > after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), > > > > Hey, just a small tip: beware ebay info on market fluctuations!!!!! I've > > seen some quite common Mystara products reach ridiculously high prices, > just > > cuz people got a "bidding frenzy" and created a false feeling of "rarity". > I > > don't know now, but a couple months ago GAZ13 could be bought new from the > > wizards online store, just for one example. There are some sites which do > a > > good job at classifying D&D products according to rarity (acaeum.com is > the > > king for that, it even keeps a list of recommended prices and monitors > > auctions, sadly it's not being updated till spring)... I think it's a good > > idea to "open a site" (or section in vaults) which is mystara focused in > > keeping info on stores and auctions... I've run into quite a few products > > which I already own, and it's a pity they keep accumulating dust... in my > > last trip to NY, the Compleat Strategist had 10 (I counted them) copies of > > GAZ12 and 3 whole sets of the PWA series!!!!! those things should not be > > missed... I guess that, unless info is shared, those items will remain > > accumulating dust, or just get trashed when stores close, something quite > > usual... pity > > > > Andr�s > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:32:18 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tinman Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would think that they plan to sell the stuff as an ESD in the WoTC online store. I could be wrong however. If I am let me know I'll be willing to scan whatever needs to be scanned I own everything except module B10 and GAZ14. Tim Roberts Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Eustace" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > Here's a question for Shawn: > Since starflung is the official Mystara site for WotC, and they're > supposedly in the process of scanning in and making available all of the OOP > stuff, would they object if some of us volunteered to expedite the process. > In other words, could we scan the stuff in and post it on your site, and > over it as downloads? It would save them the hassle. The only question > would be whether or not there would be any charge due to WotC. If the > downloads are free, then it shouldn't matter. They could just have a link > on their site to the downloads site on starflung. Is this an option? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tinman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > > > > I think this is a great idea I have been buying a few items up on eBay > this > > weekend and probably spent a couple 100$ just replacing items that are > > getting warn out. I just saw the Elves of Alfheim go for over 80$ > > yesterday. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andr�s Piquer Otero" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > > > > > > > >As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, > > > I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought > > > after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), > > > > > > Hey, just a small tip: beware ebay info on market fluctuations!!!!! I've > > > seen some quite common Mystara products reach ridiculously high prices, > > just > > > cuz people got a "bidding frenzy" and created a false feeling of > "rarity". > > I > > > don't know now, but a couple months ago GAZ13 could be bought new from > the > > > wizards online store, just for one example. There are some sites which > do > > a > > > good job at classifying D&D products according to rarity (acaeum.com is > > the > > > king for that, it even keeps a list of recommended prices and monitors > > > auctions, sadly it's not being updated till spring)... I think it's a > good > > > idea to "open a site" (or section in vaults) which is mystara focused in > > > keeping info on stores and auctions... I've run into quite a few > products > > > which I already own, and it's a pity they keep accumulating dust... in > my > > > last trip to NY, the Compleat Strategist had 10 (I counted them) copies > of > > > GAZ12 and 3 whole sets of the PWA series!!!!! those things should not be > > > missed... I guess that, unless info is shared, those items will remain > > > accumulating dust, or just get trashed when stores close, something > quite > > > usual... pity > > > > > > Andr�s > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:46:47 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:21:51 -0500 Dan Eustace writes: > Here's a question for Shawn: > Since starflung is the official Mystara site for WotC, and they're > supposedly in the process of scanning in and making available all of > the OOP > stuff, would they object if some of us volunteered to expedite the > process. > In other words, could we scan the stuff in and post it on your site, > and > over it as downloads? It would save them the hassle >From the ESD FAQ: "Q: Would it help if I scanned products and sent them to you? A: I'm afraid not. We're trying to make sure that all of the products are scanned to the same level of quality, and that works better if we have just a few companies working together to get the work done. " Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:55:07 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <002d01c0a52d$43592180$0200a8c0@arn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I would think that they plan to sell the stuff as an ESD in the WoTC online >store. I could be wrong however. If I am let me know I'll be willing to >scan whatever needs to be scanned I own everything except module B10 and >GAZ14. > >Tim Roberts The thing that really bugs me is that this ESD thing is only available for PC's. Us Macintosh users are (typically) left out in the cold. It sure would be nice if they could just make it all available as PDF files and leave it at that. Of course, there's no good reason why people couldn't create PDF files of the stuff and trade those to each other. ;-) VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:06:17 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <002b01c0a528$fe2e5ca0$b184fad5@uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >As an example- if I were in Mike Harvey's shoes, and I had the money, >I would have picked up GAZ13 knowing that it's one of the more sought >after gazetteers (as observed on ebay), > >Hey, just a small tip: beware ebay info on market fluctuations!!!!! I've >seen some quite common Mystara products reach ridiculously high prices, just >cuz people got a "bidding frenzy" and created a false feeling of "rarity". I >don't know now, but a couple months ago GAZ13 First off, let me say that it was GAZ3 Principalities of Glantri, not GAZ13 that I was talking about- my mistake. Secondly, it seems to be (at least in my area) that OD&D stuff is next to impossible to find! And believe me, I've been looking! In my case, the internet and ebay in particular have been my only sources. It rankles me still that I had everything except Tree of Life and Night's Dark Terror and I sold it all about !!! And most of it I got at about half cover!!!! I'm going to go weep openly now... VHH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:28:59 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:56 AM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >the Dreamlands or The Kingdom of the Fairies or whatever you want to call it? As David Knott pointed out, the "official" answer from Bruce Heard in one of the Dragon articles is that it was 'mothballed' and sent to a pocket dimension. An alternate view (my preference) is that the Fairy Court picked up and moved elsewhere, most likely the Kingdom of Faylinn (the leprechaun kingdom) mentioned in PC1. As for where Faylinn is? My personal POV is that it is in the Redstone province on the Isle of Dawn, but it could be anywhere. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:30:37 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Quick question on red steel >Rob wrote: >Red steel counts as silver, cold iron, and +0 (ie, magical, but with no +) >all in one. And, IIRC, RS weapons weigh one-half or one-third the weight of regular steel weapons. I remember having to adjudicate whether a RS-tipped arrow would fly farther than a normal steel one, owing to the reduced weight (my players have been known to quibble about such things occasionally, especially if it means that arrow *might* hit the target after all). Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:42:50 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Angelo wrote: > >Well I certainly don't like the idea that all elves have to be both fighters >AND mages. That's bothered me. Not so much that they have to have spells, >but the fact that after killing elves, you should find a spell book (or at >least have in mind where their spells might have come from). IMC, I used the warrior elf rules from the HW boxed set, and allowed elf PCs to be simple warriors. They could pick up magic if they wanted to (unlike human fighters), but their interest was more in the direction of swordmastery and such. This spiced up encounters with the odd evil elf, who, horror of horrors, did *not* have a spell book. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:07:34 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: ; from ramhog@PRODIGY.NET on Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 07:52:20PM -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 07:52:20PM -0600, ramhog wrote: > What do you folks think about a "trading post" where we could list > OD&D items we have for sale or trade? Although not everyone has news access, there's a new newsgroup at news.dnd.starflung.com which people can use for this if they wish: starflung.dnd.trade cheers, gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:24:51 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Trading Post >The thing that really bugs me is that this ESD thing is only >available for PC's. Us Macintosh users are (typically) left out in >the cold. > >It sure would be nice if they could just make it all available as PDF >files and leave it at that. I know this because I use a mac and have grabbed all the Dark Sun .pdf files WotC put up on their site that were for free. I just can't give them my money for the ones they are making available for a fee because the ESD system they use to process transactions doesn't work if the buyer is on a Mac. In other words, all these files ARE .pdf format. Macs just can't get the ones for which WotC is charging a price. In other related news, the Vault of Pandius has a set of links to websites that sell Mystara material. In fact I just picked up a copy of the Wrath of the Immortals boxed set, in shrinkwrap, for $28 from one of the sites linked to. It often goes for $40+ on eBay. Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:52:02 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tinman Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ESD is in PDF format. :) Tim Roberts Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ramhog" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > >I would think that they plan to sell the stuff as an ESD in the WoTC online > >store. I could be wrong however. If I am let me know I'll be willing to > >scan whatever needs to be scanned I own everything except module B10 and > >GAZ14. > > > >Tim Roberts > > The thing that really bugs me is that this ESD thing is only > available for PC's. Us Macintosh users are (typically) left out in > the cold. > > It sure would be nice if they could just make it all available as PDF > files and leave it at that. > > Of course, there's no good reason why people couldn't create PDF > files of the stuff and trade those to each other. ;-) > > > VVH > > > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:28:47 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric Anondson wrote: > > >The thing that really bugs me is that this ESD thing is only > >available for PC's. Us Macintosh users are (typically) left out in > >the cold. For that matter, the downloads aren't available for any non-Win system (AFAIK), or anywhere outside north America... -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:20:17 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <3AA3F6FF.CF459109@libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Agathokles wrote: > Eric Anondson wrote: > > > > >The thing that really bugs me is that this ESD thing is only > > >available for PC's. Us Macintosh users are (typically) left out in > > >the cold. > > For that matter, the downloads aren't available for any non-Win system > (AFAIK), or anywhere outside north America... If it's a PSD, you can read it in linux. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:40:39 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Updates at "Swanamutu Online Gazetteer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thibault sarlat wrote: > can you refresh me as what your URL is please? Sorry. I forgot it! www.geocities.com/tangormina/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:42:26 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Founding of Glantri (was: Re: Alphatian mages in 3E) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> And hush you loud Thyatian... >> [ever so suavely casts a *muffle the uncouth barbarian* spell] > After which my pc exploded (read: died), leaving me without computer for two days. Hmmmmm.... (It's all true) Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:10:19 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: A trick of the tail, chapter two: Entangled MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A TRICK OF THE TAIL Chapter Two: ENTANGLED A guard looked at me. "Hi man, wanna enter 'ere, man? What's ya business 'ere?" The man had a terrible accent. I was barely able to understand him. "Is this the palace of Milady Eloisa?" "Is it, man. Whaddya want 'ere, Thy?" "Uh...well...I have this..." said I, and handed him Ertran's message. The guard smiled and nodded: "Yah, ay see. Well, ay goin'a call the Hous'massa and he'll gonna speak to ya." He handed the message to the other guard and entered in the Palace. After ten minutes he returned smiling and said "Ya just gonna wait a minit, yeh?" I nodded. It was really difficult to understand him... I waited more than an hour, standing outside the doors of the marvelous palace. The guards didn't talk to me, and I didn't want to speak, fearing that my difficulties in understanding their slang could prove dangerous to me and my mission. Then, the doors were opened, and two other guards arrived, looked at me, then at the guard I had talked to. "Him?". "Yah." "Hav'a nice day!" I had really problems in understanding them. I was brought in a wide room, where a man, surrounded by four other guards, suddenly appeared. He was tall, with long golden hair and brown eyes. He was of coppery skin tone, and thus a Common Alphatian. His face was beautiful, but he had a twisted, cruel smile, and I didn't like this. He looked at me with interest, then, with a gesture, he told the guards to make room for him. He advanced with a mocking smile, arrived near me, and begun to turn around me, like if he was studying a dog in a kennel. I didn't say a word. "Well, you seem to be a good specimen. But let's see." He drew a knife from the shaft, and first cut off my poor belt, had a guard throw away my jacket and cut off my shirt. He didn't look too enthusiastic. "Misses some muscles, to be really excellent. Somehow weak, huh? Well, it's alright, wide shoulders, a beautiful neck, a beautiful face, beard, exotic outlook with that brown hair, Thyatian-style cut, and brown eyes..." He pointed at my legs, and a guard took another knife and stripped away my trousers. "Beautiful legs. Not fat at all. And seems to be quite clean too." He turned away, followed by three of his guards, while speaking to the fourth "Soldier, bring him to the maidens to have him cleaned and then bring him to the room." I was scared to death. I know it is not the custom of a Thyatian soldier to fear, but this was not a battle where I had to fight manly for my life. This could be the beginning of a life of torture and enslavement, forever victim of the tortures of an Alphatian sorceress. Well, my fooliness was evident. I had misunderstood everything. I was sent to a warm bathroom, where I was washed, perfumed and cleaned by some slaves. There were a couple of Thyatians, and one Pearl Islander, but the others were all Alphatians. They seemed very scared, and was almost afraid of touching me, but nevertheless they did their job...very well. They even shaved me, paying attention to keep my "Thyatian styled beard". Then they came with a copy of a Thyatian toga, and they dressed me with it and some comfortable sandals. I felt very stupid, but that was my least problem at the moment. I was brought in a comfortable and wide room, and my suspicions were confirmed. The room was elegant and showed the artistic tastes of its mistress (or maybe of her housemaster?). There were paintings, a small statue, a beautiful couch, two comfortable chairs, a small marble table with a bottle of red and one of white wine and two glasses; a desk with some fruit (and I recognizd a couple of zzonga fruits too), some biscuits and crackers, and a decanter full of water. I turned to the maiden to ask her what I had to do there, but she had already left without trace. I felt very frustrated, without any idea of what to do. I looked around the room, but was afraid even to sit down on one of the chairs, so you can guess I had no wish to drink the wine nor to eat the food. However, I noticed a small book on the desk, that I hadn't seen at first because it was placed behind the fruit. It told the story of the Squonk. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:11:04 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Trinixx of Westmarch Subject: Supporters of Gods and Immortals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi all, Does anyone know of any sources in Mystara/could anyone provide me with precise, "official" figures for what number of followers and other tangible prerequisites etc. (eg, X number of churches/shrines?) an Immortal or various rankings of gods must have in order to claim X divine rank? (Ie, How many followers etc. are required to qualify to be an Immortal, Demi, Lesser, Intermediate, Greater, Overpower?) Thanks, Take it easy all, -- Trinixx of Westmarch, Barrister Extraordinaire of D&D Federal Regulations "The Master said, 'Only when the cold season comes is the point brought home that the pine and the cypress are the last to lose their leaves.'" -Confucius, _Analects_ IX.28. The Hellfire Campaign Rules Interpretation Archive http://travel.to/TheHellfireCampaign Celebrating five years+ private legal practice! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:30:38 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Supporters of Gods and Immortals In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Trinixx of Westmarch wrote: > Does anyone know of any sources in Mystara/could anyone provide me > with precise, "official" figures for what number of followers and other > tangible prerequisites etc. (eg, X number of churches/shrines?) an > Immortal or various rankings of gods must have in order to claim X > divine rank? (Ie, How many followers etc. are required to qualify to be > an Immortal, Demi, Lesser, Intermediate, Greater, Overpower?) Unfortunately, Immortality doesn't work that way. There are no official figures of followers in any canon supplement. Immortals gain levels just like mortals do. Their number of followers has nothing to do with this rank.If an Immortal has at least one follower, he or she is safe. It is only when that Immortal has no living followers then he/she 'fades'. i.e. he/she passes from existence. If at least ONE mortal begins to worship that immortal again, he/she pops back into existence as a 1st level initiate. Immortals are not known according to the AD&D 'powers/pantheon' levels. They are Initiates, Temporals, Empryeals, Celestials, and Hierarchs (not necessarily in that order, and I may have missed one). Immortal ranks are not one-to-one comparable with AD&D powers, as even the lowest-level Immortal has strengths that low level powers do not (immunity to anything less than a +5 weapon (and taking minimum possible damage!), all magic cast by a mortal, all mortal poisons, etc.) Even the lowest level Immortals can create new races, planes, suns, planets, etc to within their total number of power points. IMC, I consider most of the AD&D 'Gods' to be exalted Titans (as per WoTI), because they can be killed or harmed quite easily, whereas beings like Ao or the Immortals cannot be. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:50:50 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "paul.benfield" Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What makes me more mad is that according to the WOTC shop info they can't export the ESD docs to the UK or most of Europe - what's the point in electronic sales if you can't email to the customers!!!!! >:-( Paul Benfield -----Original Message----- From: Mystara [mailto:MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of ramhog Sent: 05 March 2001 04:55 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post >I would think that they plan to sell the stuff as an ESD in the WoTC online >store. I could be wrong however. If I am let me know I'll be willing to >scan whatever needs to be scanned I own everything except module B10 and >GAZ14. > >Tim Roberts The thing that really bugs me is that this ESD thing is only available for PC's. Us Macintosh users are (typically) left out in the cold. It sure would be nice if they could just make it all available as PDF files and leave it at that. Of course, there's no good reason why people couldn't create PDF files of the stuff and trade those to each other. ;-) VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:11:41 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Francisco V. Navarro" Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hail Mystarans! OK, I live in the Philippines. There's a little known store here with a veritable treasure horde of oD&D manuals, in excellent to not so good shape. Most of the stuff left are adventure modules. If anyone would like me to get something from them, I can take a look. E-mail me privately: fanavarro@pacific.net.ph Off the top of my head, these are the modules available the last time I went there. B7 Rahasia DA2 Temple of the Frog DA3 City of the Gods CM5 Earthshaker! CM5 Mystery of hte Snow Pearls CM6 Where Chaos Reigns CM7 Tree of Life PC3 The Sea People X1 Isle of Dread X6 Quagmire! X8 Drums on Fire Mountain X9 The Savage Coast X11 Saga of the Shadow Lord XS2 Thunderdelve Mountain HWA2 Nightrage HWA3 Nightstorm MWQ1 The Milenian Scepter HWR1 Sons of Azca HWR2 Kingdom of Nithia IM1 The Immortal Storm IM2 The Wrath of Olympus IM3 The Best of Intentions Kit Navarro fanavarro@pacific.net.ph ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:45:22 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <20010305180734.I2178@esatclear.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Although not everyone has news access, there's a new newsgroup at >news.dnd.starflung.com which people can use for this if they wish: > >starflung.dnd.trade > This seems like the best way to go yet! Now, if I can just get my news reader up and running. :( VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:04:19 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Since you kids seem to get such a kick out of this... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Here's something I ran across today: http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/index.htm?contents=rage/index1.htm Enjoy, VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:24:02 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "paul.benfield" > What makes me more mad is that according to the WOTC shop info they can't > export the ESD docs to the UK or most of Europe - what's the point in > electronic sales if you can't email to the customers!!!!! So they have made no progress in that area? I was under the impression that they were gradually making the ESDs available in more countries. Has anyone inquired as to what is holding them up? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:44:27 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ryan Seratt Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/01 5:20:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, fanavarro@PACIFIC.NET.PH writes: > X11 Saga of the Shadow Lord > Hey Kit. I'd love to have this Module. Shape isn't the biggest of concerns for me. If you could get this for a reasonable price I'd be more than glad to pay you for it. Let me know. Ryan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:07:55 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Since you kids seem to get such a kick out of this... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Here's something I ran across today: > > http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/index.htm?contents=rage/index1.htm Is there some Mystara reference on this page that I didn't notice? Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:32:41 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SteelAngel wrote: > >> For that matter, the downloads aren't available for any non-Win system >> (AFAIK), or anywhere outside north America... > > If it's a PSD, you can read it in linux. It's an ESD. I think there are exe files involved in the process, though I'm not sure, since I couldn't make a purchase myself (due to the international orders problem...) -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:44:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Supporters of Gods and Immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trinixx of Westmarch wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of any sources in Mystara/could anyone provide me > with precise, "official" figures for what number of followers and other > tangible prerequisites etc. (eg, X number of churches/shrines?) an > Immortal or various rankings of gods must have in order to claim X > divine rank? (Ie, How many followers etc. are required to qualify to be > an Immortal, Demi, Lesser, Intermediate, Greater, Overpower?) As Ethan said, there are no specific prerequisites. However, the rankings of OD&D and AD&D powers may be related this way, if you want: Initiate Demipower Temporal Lesser Celestial Lesser Empyreal Intermediate Eternal Intermediate Hierarch Greater Old One Overpower OD&D levels are more detailed, because people were supposed to play Immortal PCs, while AD&D interpretation varies wildly, from powers as super-monsters, and therefore killable by mortals (I think that's a 1ed legacy), to background elements, and therefore unaffected by mortals (that's the 2ed-Planescape idea). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:43:00 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Colin Wilson Subject: Whatever happened to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Speaking, as we were, of the Dreamlands and PC1, is there any cannon reference to what happened to undersea (PC3) during and after WotI. I've seen the fan timeline in the vaults (which is cool BTW) but I was wondering whether any mention was made in a Dragon article or something similar. Cheers, Col. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:30:55 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: OD&D rule question Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just arose in my latest playing evening? What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following situations? Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell Situation B: tightly tied with ropes Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is supposed not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she nonetheless: - use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? - use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or another similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. Federico AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:54:39 +1000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Diehm Subject: Re: OD&D rule question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Victim of Hold Person is paralysed. P.154 of Rules Cyclopedia states that a paralysed character "is unable to do anything". A webbed or tightly tied character may activate a magical item that is appropriately worn/held/etc via concentration. Of course a character that is tightly tied is unlikely to have been allowed to continue to grasp any obvious items. Cheers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:26:17 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Whatever happened to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:43:00 +0000 Colin Wilson writes: > Speaking, as we were, of the Dreamlands and PC1, is there any cannon > reference to what happened to undersea (PC3) during and after WotI. > > I've seen the fan timeline in the vaults (which is cool BTW) but I > was > wondering whether any mention was made in a Dragon article or > something > similar. Nope. To date, my timeline is the only source of info (canon or no) for Undersea after 1000 AC, along with the continuation I've done in the MA. Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:40:29 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Since you kids seem to get such a kick out of this... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Here's something I ran across today: >> >> http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/index.htm?contents=rage/index1.htm > >Is there some Mystara reference on this page that I didn't notice? > No, it has nothing to do with Mystara, it was for the guys that find that "All your bases..." thing amusing. If you scroll all the way to the bottom, you'll find a link to an article about the "phenomenon", but I just mentioned it for the title, basically. -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:51:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >It's an ESD. I think there are exe files involved in the process, though I'm not sure, since I couldn't make a purchase myself (due to the international orders problem...) I still don't get to understand the ESD procedure... Aren't the files sent via email and payment done by credit card?? That would mean that, as no item is shipped, the North America address is only needed for billing, isn't it? I've not tried myself yet, but the only thing one would need would be a friend living in NAmerica to provide Wizards with a valid billing address... I bought a bunch of Mystara stuff from Wizards in '99 and I made the transaction from Spain with my Spanish bank visa card, just had the items shipped to my gf in LA... Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:59:09 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Future for Mystara? Polls! Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 What about Polls? Everybody can post their own Gazetteer/Adventure/Article/Almanac in a special section of Shawn's site. Stanley decides (he is Zendrolion, after all...) what is worth enough polling and what not, and decides whether to publish it or not online (he does that already). Once per year, there's a GREAT POLLING: every published item is polled as: A: this becomes CANON (exactly as Karameikos Gaz.1 or B10 Night's Dark Terror) B: this can be improved by the author(s) and re-polled again, next year C: this is not enough good for ever entering canon, though it might still be nice One vote per person only, majority wins. In case Option B wins, everybody is invited to send private e-mail to the author and explain what's to be changed/amilliorated; so that the author has better chances to see his/her reworked item fully accepted, next year. Comments? Federico _____________________ Il Sun, 25 February 2001, Alex Benson ha scritto: > > In a message dated 2/22/01 12:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lby3@LBY3.COM > writes: > > << At 12:33 2/22/01 -0500, SteelAngel wrote: > >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Alex Benson wrote: > > > >> the Mystaran crowd. To me, acceptance of a project within the Net > Almanac is > >> a general acceptance of the project in terms of Mystara as a whole. Of > > > >Not really. Personally I abhor the whole "second sun/old one > >Atruaghin" storyline. It seems forced, unrealistic, and definitely not > >something I would ever consider using. (Apologies to the authors ^_^) > > I'm afraid I have to agree with Alex. While a lot of the MAs contain > useful material, some of it seems more like fanfic than anything designed > to be useable IMC. It may be a good story, but that's not the same as good > gaming material, and I thus I sort of sigh at that stuff and move on past it. > There's not much point in speaking out and railing against the > material -- > it's often well-done, well-meant and, frankly, it's already part of the MA > -- but that doesn't mean I use it or even mentally consider it the official > timeline. >> > > yes...i restate and clarify that there is a difference between the general > acceptance of a plot/nation/etc due to its inclusion in the Almanac and the > unilateral adoption of these same mystaran works. Acceptance has it in print > in the almanac as a part of the widespread publication that is the almanac. > reader exposure is greater than simply posting it on a website. likewise, the > material is set among other events and such that compliment and influence it. > The reader gets to see it in actual use. For material to be accepted in the > almanac it usually goes through a series of discussion groups. Rarely does > the initial premise survive unchanged throughout this process. The ALmanac > staff is as close to a governing body that we have. Therefore its almanacs > are as official as we can get. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:57:52 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i really like this idea... this is true democracy or what? thib >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:59:09 +0000 >De: Federico Kaftal >Sujet: =5BMYSTARA=5D Future for Mystara? Polls=21 >A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >What about Polls? > >Everybody can post their own Gazetteer/Adventure/Article/Almanac in a spe= cial section of Shawn's site. >Stanley decides (he is Zendrolion, after all...) what is worth enough pol= ling and what not, and decides whether to publish it or not online (he doe= s that already). >Once per year, there's a GREAT POLLING: every published item is polled as= : > >A: this becomes CANON (exactly as Karameikos Gaz.1 or B10 Night's Dark Te= rror) >B: this can be improved by the author(s) and re-polled again, next year >C: this is not enough good for ever entering canon, though it might still= be nice > >One vote per person only, majority wins. >In case Option B wins, everybody is invited to send private e-mail to the= author and explain what's to be changed/amilliorated; so that the author = has better chances to see his/her reworked item fully accepted, next year. > >Comments? > >Federico > >=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > >Il Sun, 25 February 2001, Alex Benson ha scritto: > >> >> In a message dated 2/22/01 12:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lby3=40LB= Y3.COM >> writes: >> >> << At 12:33 2/22/01 -0500, SteelAngel wrote: >> >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Alex Benson wrote: >> > >> >> the Mystaran crowd. To me, acceptance of a project within the Net >> Almanac is >> >> a general acceptance of the project in terms of Mystara as a whole.= Of >> > >> >Not really. Personally I abhor the whole =22second sun/old one >> >Atruaghin=22 storyline. It seems forced, unrealistic, and definitely = not >> >something I would ever consider using. (Apologies to the authors =5E=5F= =5E) >> >> I'm afraid I have to agree with Alex. While a lot of the MAs c= ontain >> useful material, some of it seems more like fanfic than anything desig= ned >> to be useable IMC. It may be a good story, but that's not the same as = good >> gaming material, and I thus I sort of sigh at that stuff and move on p= ast it. >> There's not much point in speaking out and railing against the >> material -- >> it's often well-done, well-meant and, frankly, it's already part of th= e MA >> -- but that doesn't mean I use it or even mentally consider it the off= icial >> timeline. >> >> >> yes...i restate and clarify that there is a difference between the gene= ral >> acceptance of a plot/nation/etc due to its inclusion in the Almanac and= the >> unilateral adoption of these same mystaran works. Acceptance has it in = print >> in the almanac as a part of the widespread publication that is the alma= nac. >> reader exposure is greater than simply posting it on a website. likewis= e, the >> material is set among other events and such that compliment and influen= ce it. >> The reader gets to see it in actual use. For material to be accepted in= the >> almanac it usually goes through a series of discussion groups. Rarely d= oes >> the initial premise survive unchanged throughout this process. The ALma= nac >> staff is as close to a governing body that we have. Therefore its alman= acs >> are as official as we can get. >> >> ******************************************************************** >> The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >> The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >> To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >> with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >AltaVista Free email service > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:01:29 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Byron D. Molix" Subject: Re: Supporters of Gods and Immortals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: SteelAngel > [snip info about immortals, very nice btw] > >IMC, I consider most of the AD&D 'Gods' to be exalted Titans (as per >WoTI), because they can be killed or harmed quite easily, whereas beings >like Ao or the Immortals cannot be. > > >Ethan > While Immortals can do things that lower powers cannot, I wouldn't call them more vulnerable beings. Even a Lesser Deity is safe from all but the most well planned thrusts by another power because even if a human could kill their avatar, that has no bearing on their own continuance. Also, given that other powers on their home plane (who have the exact same alignment as them) would not want such a thrust to succeed any more than the targeted god. If one god can be killed like that, so can another. I also tend to make gods unkillable anyway. No PC ever gets enough levels or magic items in my games to seriously harm anything divine. Immortals are another thing, since technically they aren't gods, but again I make immortals unkillable as long as they are immortals. If you find a way to get an immortal discredited or directly turned back into a mortal, have at it. He's only a 40+ (d20 scale) level character who is currently pissed at the world and very focused on regaining his status. It's now possible to kill him, it's still not easy. Also, in my game immortals versus other immortals work similarly to the gods plan above. They can seriously wound one another, but even they can't easily wipe one another out in combat. There would be histories of purges if they could do such a thing. To the original poster, you should check out Immortals on www.dnd.starflung.com. There are a few posts covering which 'status levels' are higher than others and other assorted facts that will help you. But the info you already got in this thread is pretty much right on. Immortals are very powerful, and very involved with their world. Mostly, I think, because they don't have a multitude of worlds to be involved with. Byron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:12:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: The Enchantress of Sylaire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > Here's a new adventure scenario for you folks. It was inspired by the > Clark Ashton Smith story of the same title. In Mystara, put it > Glantri, in the woods just east of the Tower of Sylaire in New > Averoigne. It would also go well in a remote forest in Karameikos, > but you'd need to change the names. Really good, Mike! It could also be used somewhere in X2 Castle Amber. Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:40:06 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! In-Reply-To: <20010306155909.21846.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net>; from kaftal@ALTAVISTA.IT on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:59:09PM +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:59:09PM +0000, Federico Kaftal wrote: > Comments? This may have already been discussed, but what's the point of declaing something canon? I'm not sure I see the point of it. gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:01:33 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: OD&D rule question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Because the spell "web" was really meant for blocking passageways I think it's too powerful to be used as a paralyzation spell. I allow people in webs to perform any action but not travel any distance. Casters who are tied up (arms pinned) are not able to cast. The DM may make special exceptions for certain spells such as the power word spells, word of recall, or holy word. Paralyzed characters are frozen, and can't move. Angelo >From: Federico Kaftal >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:30:55 +0000 > >Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just arose >in my latest playing evening? > >What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following >situations? > >Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell >Situation B: tightly tied with ropes >Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell > >Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is supposed >not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she nonetheless: >- use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? >- use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or another >similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? > >Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. > >Federico > >AltaVista Free email service > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:02:12 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "David S. Leland" Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! In-Reply-To: <20010306184006.I6847@esatclear.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:40 AM 3/6/01, Gordon McCormick wrote: >This may have already been discussed, but what's the point of declaing >something canon? I'm not sure I see the point of it. Ditto. I won't accept something fan-written as canon just because a= poll says so, that's for sure. So what is the point? Here's a possible= point, and a suggestion for what could be done instead. Perhaps the point= should be to help fan writer/designers know what people agree with, like,= and use in their campaigns, so that if they so desire, these authors can= try and build their material on a base of assumptions or previous materials= that people tend to agree with, like, and use. No one is obligated to= write with that in mind, but an author may prefer having the confidence= that people will more likely receive the offering well, and not have to= radically change it to make it fit in their campaign due to some really= 'out-there' assumptions that most people don't share. So, I'd suggest a= poll that doesn't ask whether something should become canon, which to me is= just a label that we can only pretend to have power over and that doesn't= really change anything anyway. Instead, how about questions like these: Did you read X? Do you like X? Have you used X in your campaign? Why or why not? Did you use X pretty much as given? If not, what modifications did you make? Has X become an important, integrated part of your campaign? These questions, in my mind anyway, get at what's really valuable about= being "canonical," although it should be clear that not all canon really= lives up to these criteria, and many non-canon works do. If you just want a simple one question poll, how about: Would you like to see this material become the basis for a number of future= works? The bottom line is: Do people like it? Will they use it? Will people= accept it as a legitimate basis for future material? Magus Coeruleus ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:16:09 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Supporters of Gods and Immortals In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Byron D. Molix wrote: > Also, in my game immortals versus other immortals work similarly to the gods > plan above. They can seriously wound one another, but even they can't easily > wipe one another out in combat. There would be histories of purges if they > could do such a thing. Well, D&D Immortals can only be 'killed' on their home plane. And even then, that's a daunting task, because you have a major disadvantage killing an Immortal on his home plane. However, AD&D Gods kill each other all the time. Look at the Time of Troubles in the FR. Mystra died. Other Gods died. Pretty sad if you ask me. Look at the Elf-Creation story. Corellon took out Grummsh's eye. If Grummsh was an Immortal, he'd just make a new manifestation form :) Immmortals are too smart for that. Like the Greek Gods, they don't directly fight each other (though tossing planets is fun :) They'd rather send their followers against each other and wage strokes on their opponents. It's a lot more civilized. Even Thanatos, whose dream is to end _all_ existence, would NEVER consider going toe to toe against an Immortal in combat, it's just stupid. But anyway, I got off track. I just dislike the AD&D system and planar structure so much, that I cannot consider their 'Gods' to be worth anything. Ordana is so much cooler than Corellon, and that silly gnomish God stealing the Immortal Garal's ideas.. feh! Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:41:04 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tinman Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ESD just is what WotC is calling the electronic software download. The actual application to download the software is an exe app. Once you have that it will download whatever you bought and unpack it as a PDF file that you can read with acrobat. Tim Roberts Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.P. Agosta" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > SteelAngel wrote: > > > > >> For that matter, the downloads aren't available for any non-Win system > >> (AFAIK), or anywhere outside north America... > > > > If it's a PSD, you can read it in linux. > > It's an ESD. I think there are exe files involved in the process, though > I'm not sure, since I couldn't make a purchase myself (due to the > international orders problem...) > -- > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > agathokles@libero.it > agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:45:02 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tinman Subject: Re: OD&D rule question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say unless the ring or sword uses some sort of empathy then you can't do ANYTHING. You cannot talk, walk or move while in a hold person spell. However when bound by ropes I would have to ask how tight are the ropes/net? If the ring is command word activated then you can use it. Clerics only need to cocentrate and speak in order to cast their spells. Tim Roberts Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Federico Kaftal" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:30 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just arose in my latest playing evening? > > What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following situations? > > Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell > Situation B: tightly tied with ropes > Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell > > Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is supposed not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she nonetheless: > - use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? > - use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or another similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? > > Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. > > Federico > > AltaVista Free email service > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:24:56 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: OD&D rule question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In OD&D a cleric needs to gesture and speak to cast spells. I agree that Hold Person would allow no action. A ring or sword could be used if tied or webbed as long as the object could be grasped and the command word (if needed) spoken. Some things would depend on the DMs preference and the player's actions. If you need a PC to be captured and taken somewhere as a plot device, than make sure he's stripped of his weapons, can't use items and is bound and gagged (or locked in irons). If it's a random capture to avoid a needless death in combat, then open a window for the player to escape as long as they come up with some creative way to do so (such as the ideas you mentioned at first). I think context matters as much as hard and fast rules. I allow characters caught in a web a save vs. spells to avoid entrapment. Otherwise the 2nd level web is more potent than a 3rd level hold person in some ways. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tinman" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > I would say unless the ring or sword uses some sort of empathy then you > can't do ANYTHING. You cannot talk, walk or move while in a hold person > spell. However when bound by ropes I would have to ask how tight are the > ropes/net? If the ring is command word activated then you can use it. > Clerics only need to cocentrate and speak in order to cast their spells. > > Tim Roberts > Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Federico Kaftal" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:30 AM > Subject: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > > > > Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just arose > in my latest playing evening? > > > > What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following > situations? > > > > Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell > > Situation B: tightly tied with ropes > > Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell > > > > Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is supposed > not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she nonetheless: > > - use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? > > - use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or another > similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? > > > > Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. > > > > Federico > > > > AltaVista Free email service > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 03:07:57 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Angelo Bertolli wrote: << Well I certainly don't like the idea that all elves have to be both fighters AND mages. That's bothered me. Not so much that they have to have spells, but the fact that after killing elves, you should find a spell book (or at least have in mind where their spells might have come from). >> For one, that's one of the main things that differentiate Mystaran elves from all elves of other AD&D campaigns, so it would be a bad idea ignoring it... Also, there's nowhere stated that every 1st level elf has got a personal spellbook. Probably they have got a "clan spellbook" where there are some first and second level spells that are accessible to all elves of the stronghold, so that's why they know how to cast spells. As for 3rd or higher level elves, each one has obviously a spellbook, but they don't carry it with them all of the time... Personally I've never had this problem in my campaign... and I've also allowed elven clerics using GAZ5 rules... << That doesn't mean it's a good idea to try to adopt everything from 3e either, I just wish someone would write some modification rules to a more open race/class system for D&D. (Which I'm planning on doing.)>> 3rd Ed gives u the opportunity of using sorcerers to explain elves' mastery of magic at early age, so I'd go with that, making all Alfheim elves 1st level sorcerers or 1st lev sorcerers/1st lev fighters but using the rule in the DMG for 1st level people with more mixed class levels... As for modifying the old D&D rules for elves, I think they work quite well. Use the same table for elf clerics but use the cleric table for spells. Also, u may want to use the elf XP table u find in Hollow World boxed set (where there's the elf "fighter only" option, with magic learnt later in life added with another XP chart.. 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Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:15:18 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Auld Skald Subject: Re: OD&D rule question In-Reply-To: <005401c0a694$a8550a50$0265da18@D56DN901> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Quoting Dan Eustace : > In OD&D a cleric needs to gesture and speak to cast spells. I agree that > Hold Person would allow no action. A ring or sword could be used if tied or > webbed as long as the object could be grasped and the command word (if > needed) spoken. Some things would depend on the DMs preference and the > player's actions. I agree if the item was in-hand, and requires only a command word, you could use it while Webbed or tied. If an item is not in-hand when Webbed, the character /might/ be able to get it before completely escaping the Web, but the time and difficulty would depend on where it was stashed about their person. If it's on your belt, a few rounds of struggling for an average strength character should do, but if it's in the bottom of your backpack, you might as well forget it until you're free of the Web. I also agree you can take no action but thinking while affected by Hold Person. If concentration is sufficient to activate an item you can do it ... but there aren't many items like that! I think items with charges or a number of uses per day which are based on spells use command words, unless the item description says otherwise. An Empathic sword could activate one of its powers for you, though. (Assuming it wasn't have a snit. Intelligent swords can be a pain. ;-) [snip] > ideas you mentioned at first). I think context matters as much as hard and > fast rules. Yep. The focus of the game is fun, not rules. If you want the characters captured, then they can be captured. (Make the fight interesting, and realistic, though!) If you don't and they get captured anyway, leave the characters wiggle room and opportunities to escape. > I allow characters caught in a web a save vs. spells to avoid entrapment. > Otherwise the 2nd level web is more potent than a 3rd level hold person > in some ways. Hmm. I would disagree. A person in a Web can speak and move a bit, so you can't apply a coup de grace like you can to a Held person. Even an average strength person can escape a Web, given enough time -- and I'm pretty sure that amount of time is less than the duration of Hold. Exceptionally strong characters can even escape fairly quickly (a few rounds). You don't need magic to get rid of a Web -- a candle will do. Remember that many dungeon-crawling adventurers carry fire-based light sources about themselves. It's almost useless to Web someone holding a torch, unless all you want to do is burn them for 2 rounds. And, the area of effect for Web is only 10' cubed. You'd have to be lucky or have good planning to get more than a couple of people with that. Even if you had multiple people trapped by Web, I'd pro-rate the amount of time it takes to escape based on distance to the edge. I'm leery of allowing a saving throw against Web. The spell has enough weaknesses already. If I allowed it in my game (I'll have to think about the merits), I would force the character to move to the nearest adjacent area if they managed to save. That could have nasty consequences if they happen to be next to a pit ... . Okay, so maybe there /is/ some merit to allowing it. =;) My 2 kopec. -Auld Skald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tinman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > > > > I would say unless the ring or sword uses some sort of empathy then > you > > can't do ANYTHING. You cannot talk, walk or move while in a hold > person > > spell. However when bound by ropes I would have to ask how tight are > the > > ropes/net? If the ring is command word activated then you can use it. > > Clerics only need to cocentrate and speak in order to cast their > spells. > > > > Tim Roberts > > Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Federico Kaftal" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:30 AM > > Subject: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > > > > > > > Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just > arose > > in my latest playing evening? > > > > > > What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following > > situations? > > > > > > Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell > > > Situation B: tightly tied with ropes > > > Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell > > > > > > Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is > supposed > > not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she > nonetheless: > > > - use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? > > > - use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or > another > > similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? > > > > > > Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. > > > > > > Federico > > > > > > AltaVista Free email service > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:42:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed IMO, a less agressive option is to submit articles the list with a diferent objective. We could assemble a comission (or maybe the whole list) that would say if the article is in direct conflict with some canon or MML produced material.This way everything apearing in Shawn�s site would bring a note saying what will you be able to use in conjuction with that. It is very anoying to say something to your players just to discover, some time later, that what you said goes against something your using right now (player remember! don�t doubt that!) Darkblood >From: Federico Kaftal >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Future for Mystara? Polls! >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:59:09 +0000 > >What about Polls? > >Everybody can post their own Gazetteer/Adventure/Article/Almanac in a >special section of Shawn's site. >Stanley decides (he is Zendrolion, after all...) what is worth enough >polling and what not, and decides whether to publish it or not online (he >does that already). >Once per year, there's a GREAT POLLING: every published item is polled as: > >A: this becomes CANON (exactly as Karameikos Gaz.1 or B10 Night's Dark >Terror) >B: this can be improved by the author(s) and re-polled again, next year >C: this is not enough good for ever entering canon, though it might still >be nice > >One vote per person only, majority wins. >In case Option B wins, everybody is invited to send private e-mail to the >author and explain what's to be changed/amilliorated; so that the author >has better chances to see his/her reworked item fully accepted, next year. > >Comments? > >Federico > >_____________________ > >Il Sun, 25 February 2001, Alex Benson ha scritto: > > > > > In a message dated 2/22/01 12:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, >lby3@LBY3.COM > > writes: > > > > << At 12:33 2/22/01 -0500, SteelAngel wrote: > > >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Alex Benson wrote: > > > > > >> the Mystaran crowd. To me, acceptance of a project within the Net > > Almanac is > > >> a general acceptance of the project in terms of Mystara as a whole. >Of > > > > > >Not really. Personally I abhor the whole "second sun/old one > > >Atruaghin" storyline. It seems forced, unrealistic, and definitely not > > >something I would ever consider using. (Apologies to the authors ^_^) > > > > I'm afraid I have to agree with Alex. While a lot of the MAs >contain > > useful material, some of it seems more like fanfic than anything >designed > > to be useable IMC. It may be a good story, but that's not the same as >good > > gaming material, and I thus I sort of sigh at that stuff and move on >past it. > > There's not much point in speaking out and railing against the > > material -- > > it's often well-done, well-meant and, frankly, it's already part of the >MA > > -- but that doesn't mean I use it or even mentally consider it the >official > > timeline. >> > > > > yes...i restate and clarify that there is a difference between the >general > > acceptance of a plot/nation/etc due to its inclusion in the Almanac and >the > > unilateral adoption of these same mystaran works. Acceptance has it in >print > > in the almanac as a part of the widespread publication that is the >almanac. > > reader exposure is greater than simply posting it on a website. >likewise, the > > material is set among other events and such that compliment and >influence it. > > The reader gets to see it in actual use. For material to be accepted in >the > > almanac it usually goes through a series of discussion groups. Rarely >does > > the initial premise survive unchanged throughout this process. The >ALmanac > > staff is as close to a governing body that we have. Therefore its >almanacs > > are as official as we can get. > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > >AltaVista Free email service > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:51:28 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: OD&D rule question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The rules make it clear that a character who is paralyzed is still aware of what goes on around him and is able to think and concentrate normally. So if the DM decides that ONLY concentration is needed, then I would allow it. However, don't forget that the character cannot even move his eyes to see a target. Makes it very difficult to accomplish anything when held. Plus, I'd also like to point out that Hold Person is (obviously mistakenly) a 2nd level spell! As long as it doesn't go against the rules, I side with making it as less powerful as possible. Angelo >From: Tinman >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:45:02 -0600 > >I would say unless the ring or sword uses some sort of empathy then you >can't do ANYTHING. You cannot talk, walk or move while in a hold person >spell. However when bound by ropes I would have to ask how tight are the >ropes/net? If the ring is command word activated then you can use it. >Clerics only need to cocentrate and speak in order to cast their spells. > >Tim Roberts >Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Federico Kaftal" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:30 AM >Subject: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > > > > Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just >arose >in my latest playing evening? > > > > What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following >situations? > > > > Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell > > Situation B: tightly tied with ropes > > Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell > > > > Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is >supposed >not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she nonetheless: > > - use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? > > - use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or >another >similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? > > > > Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. > > > > Federico > > > > AltaVista Free email service > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:55:08 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: OD&D rule question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I would like to point out that the book also gives an example that people may burn their way out of the web. This means that they can move enough to create fire. Of course this was my interpretation of that comment. They could very well have meant someone OUTSIDE the web using a torch to burn the web. Either case, it does not make sense that they meant someone caught in the web with a torch already lit, because then the web would ignite immediately. Angelo >From: Auld Skald >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:15:18 -0800 > >Quoting Dan Eustace : > > > In OD&D a cleric needs to gesture and speak to cast spells. I agree >that > > Hold Person would allow no action. A ring or sword could be used if >tied or > > webbed as long as the object could be grasped and the command word (if > > needed) spoken. Some things would depend on the DMs preference and the > > player's actions. > >I agree if the item was in-hand, and requires only a command word, you >could >use it while Webbed or tied. > >If an item is not in-hand when Webbed, the character /might/ be able to get >it >before completely escaping the Web, but the time and difficulty would >depend on >where it was stashed about their person. If it's on your belt, a few >rounds of >struggling for an average strength character should do, but if it's in the >bottom of your backpack, you might as well forget it until you're free of >the >Web. > >I also agree you can take no action but thinking while affected by Hold >Person. If concentration is sufficient to activate an item you can do it >... >but there aren't many items like that! I think items with charges or a >number >of uses per day which are based on spells use command words, unless the >item >description says otherwise. An Empathic sword could activate one of its >powers >for you, though. (Assuming it wasn't have a snit. Intelligent swords can >be a >pain. ;-) > >[snip] > > ideas you mentioned at first). I think context matters as much as hard >and > > fast rules. > >Yep. The focus of the game is fun, not rules. If you want the characters >captured, then they can be captured. (Make the fight interesting, and >realistic, though!) If you don't and they get captured anyway, leave the >characters wiggle room and opportunities to escape. > > > I allow characters caught in a web a save vs. spells to avoid >entrapment. > > Otherwise the 2nd level web is more potent than a 3rd level hold person > > in some ways. > >Hmm. I would disagree. A person in a Web can speak and move a bit, so you >can't apply a coup de grace like you can to a Held person. Even an average >strength person can escape a Web, given enough time -- and I'm pretty sure >that >amount of time is less than the duration of Hold. Exceptionally strong >characters can even escape fairly quickly (a few rounds). > >You don't need magic to get rid of a Web -- a candle will do. Remember >that >many dungeon-crawling adventurers carry fire-based light sources about >themselves. It's almost useless to Web someone holding a torch, unless all >you >want to do is burn them for 2 rounds. > >And, the area of effect for Web is only 10' cubed. You'd have to be lucky >or >have good planning to get more than a couple of people with that. Even if >you >had multiple people trapped by Web, I'd pro-rate the amount of time it >takes to >escape based on distance to the edge. > >I'm leery of allowing a saving throw against Web. The spell has enough >weaknesses already. If I allowed it in my game (I'll have to think about >the >merits), I would force the character to move to the nearest adjacent area >if >they managed to save. > >That could have nasty consequences if they happen to be next to a pit ... . >Okay, so maybe there /is/ some merit to allowing it. =;) > >My 2 kopec. > >-Auld Skald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tinman" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > > > > > > > I would say unless the ring or sword uses some sort of empathy then > > you > > > can't do ANYTHING. You cannot talk, walk or move while in a hold > > person > > > spell. However when bound by ropes I would have to ask how tight are > > the > > > ropes/net? If the ring is command word activated then you can use it. > > > Clerics only need to cocentrate and speak in order to cast their > > spells. > > > > > > Tim Roberts > > > Realms of Mystara: www.mystaranet.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Federico Kaftal" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:30 AM > > > Subject: [MYSTARA] OD&D rule question > > > > > > > > > > Hi, people. May I ask you for your opinion on a question which just > > arose > > > in my latest playing evening? > > > > > > > > What can/cannot a Magic User or a Cleric do, in the three following > > > situations? > > > > > > > > Situation A: trapped in a "Spider-Net" spell > > > > Situation B: tightly tied with ropes > > > > Situation C: paralyzed by a "Hold Person" spell > > > > > > > > Of course the blocked person cannot cast spells because he/she is > > supposed > > > not to be able to move his/her hands freely; but can he/she > > nonetheless: > > > > - use a Ring of Gaseous Form by just concentrating on the ring? > > > > - use the Charming power of his "Sword + 1 with Charme Person" or > > another > > > similar item, by just holding the item in his hand? > > > > > > > > Thank you all for your opinions on the matter. > > > > > > > > Federico > > > > > > > > AltaVista Free email service > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: > > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:07:32 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Ditto. I won't accept something fan-written as canon just >because a poll says so, that's for sure. So what is the point? Same here. Having new canon for Mystara would be a big turn-off for me. I don't always like fan material; heck I don't always like published stuff from TSR! My suggestion is to do what the almanac team is doing: canon exists within the context of a particular project or campaign. The project group (like the almanac team) can either put it to a vote, or just decide for themselves what canon is as it relates to their project -- they are the writers after all. But all it does is identify what is canon within their "version" of Mystara, just like the published gazetteers define TSR/WOTC's "version" of Mystara. >Instead, how about questions like these: [snip] This is a good suggestion. Maybe the Vaults could have a ratings page that lets people vote on the published stuff as well as fan material. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:13:48 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: kevin wyton Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Federico Kaftal >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Future for Mystara? Polls! >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:59:09 +0000 > >What about Polls? > >Everybody can post their own Gazetteer/Adventure/Article/Almanac in a >special section of Shawn's site. >Stanley decides (he is Zendrolion, after all...) what is worth enough >polling and what not, and decides whether to publish it or not online (he >does that already). >Once per year, there's a GREAT POLLING: every published item is polled as: > >A: this becomes CANON (exactly as Karameikos Gaz.1 or B10 Night's Dark >Terror) >B: this can be improved by the author(s) and re-polled again, next year >C: this is not enough good for ever entering canon, though it might still >be nice > >One vote per person only, majority wins. >In case Option B wins, everybody is invited to send private e-mail to the >author and explain what's to be changed/amilliorated; so that the author >has better chances to see his/her reworked item fully accepted, next year. > >Comments? > >Federico > >This seems like a great idea to me. With this type of program the Mystaran >story line can evolve in a directed path much like others have said that >Ravenloft has. Kev (Darien Caliir) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 03:24:27 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: kevin wyton Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Gordon McCormick >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Future for Mystara? Polls! >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:40:06 +0000 > >On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 03:59:09PM +0000, Federico Kaftal wrote: > > > Comments? > >This may have already been discussed, but what's the point of declaing >something canon? I'm not sure I see the point of it. > >gordon > >Just my opinion but it seems to me that Ravenloft was picked up because it >had a dedicated group of creative followers( much like those here on the >list), that had carried on TSR's storyline in a unified direction. When >Whitewolf(?) took over they didn't have to make any big changes . In fact >if I were them I'd just publish some of the stuff that this Kargatane(?) >has created. This would give them instant marketable material with no >waiting. Someone taking over Mystara would have to decide where to take the story and that would risk alienating part of the market (again those on this list). Again thats just my opinion Kev (Darien Caliir) Now back to semi-lurk status _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:37:37 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: OD&D rule question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [snipped] > > I allow characters caught in a web a save vs. spells to avoid entrapment. > > Otherwise the 2nd level web is more potent than a 3rd level hold person > > in some ways. > > Hmm. I would disagree. A person in a Web can speak and move a bit, so you > can't apply a coup de grace like you can to a Held person. Even an average > strength person can escape a Web, given enough time -- and I'm pretty sure that > amount of time is less than the duration of Hold. Exceptionally strong > characters can even escape fairly quickly (a few rounds). It will take an average STR character 2-8 turns to break out, 4 rounds w. Gauntlets of Ogre Power. Duration is 48 turns compared with 1 t/level for hold person. > You don't need magic to get rid of a Web -- a candle will do. Remember that > many dungeon-crawling adventurers carry fire-based light sources about > themselves. It's almost useless to Web someone holding a torch, unless all you > want to do is burn them for 2 rounds. > > And, the area of effect for Web is only 10' cubed. You'd have to be lucky or > have good planning to get more than a couple of people with that. Even if you > had multiple people trapped by Web, I'd pro-rate the amount of time it takes to > escape based on distance to the edge. > > I'm leery of allowing a saving throw against Web. The spell has enough > weaknesses already. If I allowed it in my game (I'll have to think about the > merits), I would force the character to move to the nearest adjacent area if > they managed to save. > > That could have nasty consequences if they happen to be next to a pit ... . > Okay, so maybe there /is/ some merit to allowing it. =;) > > My 2 kopec. > > -Auld Skald Points granted; the range is only 10', and hold is 120' and can affect up to 4 targets, each getting a save. For Angelo: BTW, clerical hold person is Lvl 2, MU is Lvl 3. I always assumed the burning would need to be done by someone outside the web. But here's an example which I think demonstrates the need for a saving throw: a 25th level wizard attempts to disipline a wayward apprentice (level 4) of his by using a polymorph any object to turn him into a bush. The apprentice is alert, however and wins initiative and casts web, trapping the wizard w/o even a save. The wizard, with average strength, and w/o protective spells such as immunity running, is caught for at least 2 turns. It just didn't seem fair after years of playing to throw all kinds of potent spells at players (avoiding the effects of feebleminds, disintegrates, etc.) and then have them fall victim to a mere web. And its not fun when your key NPC villain is taken out in similar fashion! Anyways, just a suggestion that works for me. Everyone's campiagn and style of play is different. (Note: AD&D also allows a save to avoid, for what it's worth). Dan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:20:37 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: OD&D rule question-web & candle? In-Reply-To: <008101c0a6b7$f4995790$0265da18@D56DN901> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > [snipped] > > > You don't need magic to get rid of a Web -- a candle will do. FYI--Spider webs DO NOT burn in reality. I know, we had a disagreement in my game and all of us went outside to find out. They just sizzled and melted at the spot the flame was applied. We tried several, same results. If you don't think that looked funny, a bunch of us running around looking for webs to light. Lucky we didn't get arrested. LOL! KS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:24:38 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Tinman" > The ESD just is what WotC is calling the electronic software download. The > actual application to download the software is an exe app. Once you have > that it will download whatever you bought and unpack it as a PDF file that > you can read with acrobat. Okay, that would seem to mean that anyone with a MAC and a DOS/Windows emulator would have the necessary hardware to download an ESD product. That seems to be far less of a problem than the international limitations. Are these ESDs still limited to the USA and Canada? I could have sworn that at one point I was seeing occasional announcements to the effect that ESDs were now available in X country, so I (apparently in error) thought that WotC was actually making progress in that area. If there are major difficulties in making these ESDs directly available from their site to overseas customers, maybe they could work out something with their overseas distributors? It would seem that it should not be a problem if the main WotC site required customers to give a US address and pay in US$, while a British site affiliated with WotC required customers to give a UK address and pay in British pounds, a Japanese site affiliated with WotC required customers to give a Japanese address and pay in yen, etc. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:24:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we are going for a canon decision, a simple Yes/No would suffice -- there is no real need to distinguish "needs work" from "hopeless". Any author who solicits specific comments can easily make that decision for himself. But given how many people feel about officially canonizing any fan uploads, maybe a better approach might be to let people rate each upload on a 1-10 scale? Then Shawn could give the rating and number of raters (assuming it is over a certain critical threshold) for each upload. Those two numbers could be quite informative. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:24:43 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT be considered Canon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "DM" > > Also, there's nowhere stated that every 1st level elf has got a > personal spellbook. Probably they have got a "clan spellbook" > where there are some first and second level spells that are > accessible to all elves of the stronghold, so that's why they > know how to cast spells. That gives me an interesting idea: Maybe Elves can pool their power so that they can use the Still Spell feat with no effective spell level increase while they are at home using the clan spellbook. This approach would give Elven military units the formidable power that they have in most sources without being of any benefit whatsoever to Elf PCs (who would of necessity have to get their own spellbooks in order to go adventuring away from home). > As for 3rd or higher level elves, each one has obviously a > spellbook, but they don't carry it with them all of the time... I think one of two possibilities should apply here: 1) You meant 5th or higher level Elves, who can cast 3d level and higher spells, or 2) The clan spellbook covers spells of levels 0-1, not 1-2. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:46:55 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: OD&D rule question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That's why I think Hold Person at level 2 is too powerful. By the way, a later version of the rules for a level 1-5 game DOES offer a save vs spells against web. >For Angelo: BTW, clerical hold person is Lvl 2, MU is Lvl 3. I always >assumed the burning would need to be done by someone outside the web. > >But here's an example which I think demonstrates the need for a saving >throw: >a 25th level wizard attempts to disipline a wayward apprentice (level 4) of >his by using a polymorph any object to turn him into a bush. The >apprentice >is alert, however and wins initiative and casts web, trapping the wizard >w/o >even a save. The wizard, with average strength, and w/o protective spells >such as immunity running, is caught for at least 2 turns. >It just didn't seem fair after years of playing to throw all kinds of >potent >spells at players (avoiding the effects of feebleminds, disintegrates, >etc.) >and then have them fall victim to a mere web. And its not fun when your >key >NPC villain is taken out in similar fashion! >Anyways, just a suggestion that works for me. Everyone's campiagn and >style >of play is different. (Note: AD&D also allows a save to avoid, for what >it's worth). > >Dan > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:18:51 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: <04d901c0a6c8$8c6d0980$15151840@q6s7w2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT David Knott wrote: > That gives me an interesting idea: Maybe Elves can pool their > power so that they can use the Still Spell feat with no effective > spell level increase while they are at home using the clan > spellbook. Why does everyone seem to think elves should have Still Spell? I've seen this time and time again, but I never saw any reference to this in OD&D. Is is something from the Alfheim gaz? > This approach would give Elven military units > the formidable power that they have in most sources Why would Still Spell be so useful in the military. (I'm not challenging you, just curious) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:40:13 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Denis A Subject: Re: OD&D rule question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Federico! In my opinion, a person affected by an "Hold person" spell is not able to speak; so, as many magic items activate when a command word is spoken, both the ring and the sword should be useless... In the case of the ropes or the web, the idea may work. BUT you can suppose that the magical item is so powerfull that can admit an activation only by mind! If I were you, in that situation, I would make work the item, if the situation was critic -or if I felt VERY good ; )-. Otherwise, if you planned that the player had to be captured, or if there were other ways to get free, I wouldn't make it possible! Hope I've been of some help! Denis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:53:02 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Denis A Subject: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi guys! In the past days we've spoken about red steel... Here some other questions about it! 1- The lesser weight of the object, if a weapon, is translated in a lesser factor of speed of that weapon, used to see who will attack first? 2- Someone said that shaping red steel is easier than cold iron; so creating an object of that material takes very less time, isn't it? 3- The cost of red steel are surely much more elevated than normal cold iron; i should multiply the weapon cost x3, x4...Any idea? 4- Red steel is found normally in mines, as any other material, or is it a little more difficult to find? 5- Last question: if considered as a +0 weapon, a weapon of that kind can it any tipe of creature hit only by magical items? Even if the creature is it only by +3 weapons? Thanks! Denis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:06:02 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Colin Wilson Subject: PWA3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, Can anyone tell me if there was a map with this product. If so, what was on it? Cheers, Col. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:18:13 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Denis A wrote: > Hi guys! > In the past days we've spoken about red steel... > Here some other questions about it! > 1- The lesser weight of the object, if a weapon, is > translated in a lesser factor of speed of that weapon, > used to see who will attack first? By the standard rules, it doesn't. It wouldn't be illogical to grant a non-magical -1 bonus to speed, though. > 2- Someone said that shaping red steel is easier than > cold iron; so creating an object of that material > takes very less time, isn't it? Actually, I'm not entirely sure that creating red steel item is easier. It requires a specialized proficiency (redsmithing). > 3- The cost of red steel are surely much more elevated > than normal cold iron; i should multiply the weapon > cost x3, x4...Any idea? Cost is x10, compared to standard steel (cold iron is another matter, it is simply not used to make weapons). > 4- Red steel is found normally in mines, as any other > material, or is it a little more difficult to find? It is not found in mines, it is a derivate of Cinnabryl. Cinnabryl needs to be "depleted" of its magical properties to become Red Steel. The whole process is described in detail in the Savage Coast Campaign setting, which you may find online at the Vaults. > 5- Last question: if considered as a +0 weapon, a > weapon of that kind can it any tipe of creature hit > only by magical items? Even if the creature is it only > by +3 weapons? No, it can hit only creatures which do not need a specific bonus to be hit (that is, if the creature's description says that you need a +1 weapon to damage it, red steel won't help; if it just says you need a magic weapon, you can use a red steel weapon to hit the creature). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:33:26 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: Question on red steel In-Reply-To: <3AA60AE5.3090602@libero.it>; from agathokles@LIBERO.IT on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 11:18:13AM +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 11:18:13AM +0100, G.P. Agosta wrote: > > > 5- Last question: if considered as a +0 weapon, a > > weapon of that kind can it any tipe of creature hit > > only by magical items? Even if the creature is it only > > by +3 weapons? > > No, it can hit only creatures which do not need a specific bonus to be > hit (that is, if the creature's description says that you need a +1 > weapon to damage it, red steel won't help; if it just says you need a > magic weapon, you can use a red steel weapon to hit the creature). Actually under 2nd edition there was no real difference, they were used interchangibly. I'd recommend making it equivalent to +1 for the purposes of hitting creatures. -- knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were blowing things up, what you glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two high levels or 1,024 http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | 1st levels? - Seymour Cray on parallel | adventuring ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:58:32 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: PWA3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if i remember correctly , the map was in 72 miles per hex and depicted the= Western skothar region , plus bellissaria, the alatian , the alphatian se= a, the eastern edge of the isle of dawn, the pearl islands and i think th= at's it. you can easily print the map (if you have access to a color printer)i have= made to replace the missing one.I'll send it to you tonight if that's ok.= Just tell me if you don't want it. >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:06:02 +0000 >De: Colin Wilson >Sujet: =5BMYSTARA=5D PWA3 >A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >Hi there, > >Can anyone tell me if there was a map with this product. > >If so, what was on it? > >Cheers, > >Col. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:59:07 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: PWA3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i forgot to sign , it's thib of course ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:19:49 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Hofmann Subject: Early History of Halflings? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just reading through Gaz 8: The Five Shires last night, and I realized that the history of the halflings says very little. It starts off with (to paraphrase) "halflings showed up in the area now known as the Five Shires, and no one knows where they came from, and no one asked." That's a pretty poor beginning if you ask me. Does anyone know of any references that describe where halflings came from, where they lived before they showed up at the Shires, or how they got there? If there aren't any references to this that anyone's aware of, let me know, also. Thanks, John Hofmann ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:42:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Hofmann wrote: > > Does anyone know of any references that describe where halflings came from, > where they lived before they showed up at the Shires, or how they got there? > If there aren't any references to this that anyone's aware of, let me know, > als From the Timeline of Mystara (http://dnd.starflung.com/timeline.html) 6000 BC: [..] Halflings live in the rolling hills and forests of the southern continent, some distance from the elves, whom they respect greatly. 1300 BC: The halflings from the southern continent, long-abandoned by their friends the elves, and increasingly endangered by the ever-growing human population, make a mass naval migration to the northern continent. They settle the area later called the Five Shires, which they name Faerdinel. They become friends with a declining, pacifistic clan of elves called the Gentle Folk. From the Varellyan timeline (http://dnd.starflung.com/varellya.html) BC 1400: The Varellyan civilisation has expanded inland to the beginning of the Adakkian Sound, by the Brasol Range. Contact is made with the halflings living there. Halfling lands are appropriated by King Prial to build a great port city in his honour at this location. The is the beginning of a 100 year long feud which will result in the halfling migration to Brun. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:34:32 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi guys! > In the past days we've spoken about red steel... > Here some other questions about it! > 1- The lesser weight of the object, if a weapon, is > translated in a lesser factor of speed of that weapon, > used to see who will attack first? Maybe - there is nothing on it in Canon though there is no reason why not. > 2- Someone said that shaping red steel is easier than > cold iron; so creating an object of that material > takes very less time, isn't it? I think this is wrong. Red steel is harder to smelt than normal steel (there is a special NWP for it in the 2e red steel box - you need Redsmithing as well as Weaponsmithing, and only the Inheritors really have access to Redsmithing). > 3- The cost of red steel are surely much more elevated > than normal cold iron; i should multiply the weapon > cost x3, x4...Any idea? x10 is the official. > 4- Red steel is found normally in mines, as any other > material, or is it a little more difficult to find? Its not mined - cinnabryl is mined, and used to protect against the Red Curse. As it does so it degrades, and turns into red steel. Red steel is "spent" cinnabryl... > 5- Last question: if considered as a +0 weapon, a > weapon of that kind can it any tipe of creature hit > only by magical items? Even if the creature is it only > by +3 weapons? No. Some creatures only specify "magical" weapons (Shadows are one). If it specifies a +, red steel won't affect it. Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:46:49 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Future for Mystara? Polls! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/6/2001 1:42:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, gmcc@ESATCLEAR.IE writes: << This may have already been discussed, but what's the point of declaing something canon? I'm not sure I see the point of it. >> good point. it may be different if the Mystaran Line had ended a year or two ago. the volume of fan material probably outweighs the official materials. plus...canon materials are getting harder to find. newcomers have a harder time getting these canon materials. as time goes on...the shift will probably favor the volumes of increasing fan material. a fix would be to have enough redundant materials in the fan works to give that insight to the original canon works. copyright issues may apply as well as the additional time required by the authors to implement these additional references. hopefully WotC will make these OOP materials available online. this will help. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:25:38 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob wrote: > >> 2- Someone said that shaping red steel is easier than >> cold iron; so creating an object of that material >> takes very less time, isn't it? > > I think this is wrong. Red steel is harder to smelt than normal steel > (there is a special NWP for it in the 2e red steel box - you need > Redsmithing as well as Weaponsmithing, and only the Inheritors really have > access to Redsmithing). Uhm, Redsmithing is available for all characters, though Inheritor fighters have it as a bonus (or required, I don't remember) proficiency. Otherwise, some historical events of the SC timeline would have never happened (those involving units armed with red steel weapons, especially before or around AC 1000). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:23:35 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you! John HOfmann ------Original Message------ From: "G.P. Agosta" To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Sent: March 7, 2001 1:42:12 PM GMT Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Early History of Halflings? John Hofmann wrote: > > Does anyone know of any references that describe where halflings came from, > where they lived before they showed up at the Shires, or how they got there? > If there aren't any references to this that anyone's aware of, let me know, > als >From the Timeline of Mystara (http://dnd.starflung.com/timeline.html) 6000 BC: [..] Halflings live in the rolling hills and forests of the southern continent, some distance from the elves, whom they respect greatly. 1300 BC: The halflings from the southern continent, long-abandoned by their friends the elves, and increasingly endangered by the ever-growing human population, make a mass naval migration to the northern continent. They settle the area later called the Five Shires, which they name Faerdinel. They become friends with a declining, pacifistic clan of elves called the Gentle Folk. >From the Varellyan timeline (http://dnd.starflung.com/varellya.html) BC 1400: The Varellyan civilisation has expanded inland to the beginning of the Adakkian Sound, by the Brasol Range. Contact is made with the halflings living there. Halfling lands are appropriated by King Prial to build a great port city in his honour at this location. The is the beginning of a 100 year long feud which will result in the halfling migration to Brun. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:20:30 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Francisco V. Navarro" Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I shall pass by the store and see what I can get. When I do, we can discuss prices. Kit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Seratt To: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > In a message dated 3/5/01 5:20:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, > fanavarro@PACIFIC.NET.PH writes: > > > > X11 Saga of the Shadow Lord > > > > Hey Kit. I'd love to have this Module. Shape isn't the biggest of concerns > for me. If you could get this for a reasonable price I'd be more than glad > to pay you for it. Let me know. > Ryan > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:18:46 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Mystara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You know, I've been thinking, Mystara is so much bigger and more diverse than the other campaign settings, that I don't think they should write *A* campaign setting about Mystara. I think they should take each individual culture of Mystara and make a different setting out of it. Angelo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:23:03 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I read (in the Cyclopedia I think) that Halflings are distantly related to Humans. >From: "G.P. Agosta" >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Early History of Halflings? >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:42:12 +0100 > >John Hofmann wrote: > >> >>Does anyone know of any references that describe where halflings came >>from, >>where they lived before they showed up at the Shires, or how they got >>there? >>If there aren't any references to this that anyone's aware of, let me >>know, >>als > >>From the Timeline of Mystara (http://dnd.starflung.com/timeline.html) >6000 BC: [..] Halflings live in the rolling hills and forests of the >southern continent, some distance from the elves, whom they respect >greatly. > >1300 BC: The halflings from the southern continent, long-abandoned by >their friends the elves, and increasingly endangered by the ever-growing >human population, make a mass naval migration to the northern continent. >They settle the area later called the Five Shires, which they name >Faerdinel. They become friends with a declining, pacifistic clan of >elves called the Gentle Folk. > > >>From the Varellyan timeline (http://dnd.starflung.com/varellya.html) >BC 1400: The Varellyan civilisation has expanded inland to the beginning >of the Adakkian Sound, by the Brasol Range. Contact is made with the >halflings living there. Halfling lands are appropriated by King Prial to >build a great port city in his honour at this location. The is the >beginning of a 100 year long feud which will result in the halfling >migration to Brun. >-- > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > >agathokles@libero.it >agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it >http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:33:06 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Mystara In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > You know, I've been thinking, Mystara is so much bigger and more diverse > than the other campaign settings, that I don't think they should write *A* > campaign setting about Mystara. I think they should take each individual > culture of Mystara and make a different setting out of it. They already did. It's called the Gazetters. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:41:13 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Who would those have been? The elves who were driven away 2,100 years before? Don't forget, the elves of today's Glantri are different elves and did not arrive until after the Flaems had settled the land. > didn't they become the shadow elves? maybe they will want glantri back now. then they could secure the radiance for themselves. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:47:30 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Why does everyone seem to think elves should have > Still Spell? What is a still spell????? Just a though on why elves don't have spellbooks. Elves being naturally magical don't read magic in the same way as humans do and thus don't have to have a spellbook but can use others. Elf PC's generally learn their magic from humans, which encorages the idea that they may be able to read others spellbooks, and memorize spells from it with the help of the author who is needed only to point out the idiosincracies of his own magic writing style. Once a spell from a given book has been memorized once the elf can go so again without the mage's assistance. Mage's are much more willing to trust an elf then a fellow mage because usually they won't be in direct competition with one another. It is at least a plausible reason to me why elves who adventure with wizards do not have spellbooks. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:58:42 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > Who would those have been? The elves who were driven away 2,100 years before? Don't forget, the elves of today's Glantri are different elves and did not arrive until after the Flaems had settled the land. > didn't they become the shadow elves? maybe they will want glantri back now. then they could secure the radiance for themselves. << Except that they already have their own radience producing device, the CoM (which is either completed or near to completion depending upon what timeline you follow...). John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:02:00 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > Why does everyone seem to think elves should have > Still Spell? What is a still spell????? << IIRC it's one of those 3E meta magic feats. It allows the casting of a spell without needed somatic components. >> Just a though on why elves don't have spellbooks. Elves being naturally magical don't read magic in the same way as humans do and thus don't have to have a spellbook but can use others. Elf PC's generally learn their magic from humans, which encorages the idea that they may be able to read others spellbooks, and memorize spells from it with the help of the author who is needed only to point out the idiosincracies of his own magic writing style. Once a spell from a given book has been memorized once the elf can go so again without the mage's assistance. Mage's are much more willing to trust an elf then a fellow mage because usually they won't be in direct competition with one another. << This is also another 3E idea. It's called the Sorcerer. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:05:26 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: <20010307190200.12138.qmail@web1202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Calvin wrote: > This is also another 3E idea. It's called the Sorcerer. Which is why I wholeheartedly disagree with the Mystara 3e team. MYSTARAN ELVES ARE SORCERERS!! They always have been, it just wasn't availible in basic D&D. They are innately magical. They cast spells from birth, and have limits to the amount of magic they can use. (oD&D level limits = 3e 'spells known') All Mystaran Elves should have at least one level of sorcerer. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:30:19 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Mystara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I mean for the future of 3e >From: SteelAngel >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:33:06 -0500 > >On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > > > You know, I've been thinking, Mystara is so much bigger and more diverse > > than the other campaign settings, that I don't think they should write >*A* > > campaign setting about Mystara. I think they should take each >individual > > culture of Mystara and make a different setting out of it. > >They already did. It's called the Gazetters. > > >Ethan > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:08:49 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > This is also another 3E idea. It's called the Sorcerer. Which is why I wholeheartedly disagree with the Mystara 3e team. MYSTARAN ELVES ARE SORCERERS!! They always have been, it just wasn't availible in basic D&D. They are innately magical. They cast spells from birth, and have limits to the amount of magic they can use. (oD&D level limits = 3e 'spells known') All Mystaran Elves should have at least one level of sorcerer. << I'm not sure about all of them. I'd argue against this for elves like Gentle Folk, and Blacklore, and perhaps even for some particular clans in Alfheim (Longrunners IIRC are reputed wizards), but for the most part I generally agree with you. I think most Mystaran elves should be Sorcerers and that's the way I'll run it in my campaigns. Unfortunately it appears that we are in the minority on this subject :( John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:02:25 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The HW set has some info, and I think they feature in the pre-Blackmoor migration maps. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:08:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Elves sorcerers?? Well, maybe they have ONE level of Sorcerer, for the reasons of them being innately magical, but their culture can have them follow a Wizard training, just leaving the innate sorcerer level way at level 1... In standard 3E rules, Gnomes have innate Sorcery abilities (their few cantrips), but they have not too many sorcerers to speak of, their culture favors Illusionist (a Wizard subclass), which comes through study and learning. Why cannot Elves be like that, with innate magical abilities limited to their sleeplessness and charm resistance? Otherwise, all magical creatures in the monster books should have levels of sorcerer, which is not the case... Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:04:31 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There were several different "waves" of Elves in Glantri, pre- and post Great Rain of Fire, and all of them are prior to the Flaems. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:16:56 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: <20010307200849.2815.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Calvin wrote: > I'm not sure about all of them. I'd argue against this for elves like Gentle Folk, and > Blacklore, and perhaps even for some particular clans in Alfheim (Longrunners IIRC are > reputed wizards), but for the most part I generally agree with you. Well, I hadn't considered those.. But your point is valid. > Unfortunately it appears that we are in the minority on this subject :( Mostly because people, instead of changing one sentence about what Elves are, decide that they want to change 50 things and create a hodgepodge Elf that doesn't make sense, based on what they _want_ the Elf to be. That's the problem with conversion by committee. Not that everything they do is bad, far from it, but some things, like the whole elf battle and the looming gnome battle do not bode well. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:12:58 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Calvin wrote: > Which is why I wholeheartedly disagree with the Mystara 3e team. > > MYSTARAN ELVES ARE SORCERERS!! They always have been, it just wasn't > availible in basic D&D. They are innately magical. They cast spells from > birth, and have limits to the amount of magic they can use. (oD&D level > limits = 3e 'spells known') > > All Mystaran Elves should have at least one level of sorcerer. > << > > I'm not sure about all of them. I'd argue against this for elves like Gentle Folk, and > Blacklore, and perhaps even for some particular clans in Alfheim (Longrunners IIRC are > reputed wizards), but for the most part I generally agree with you. > > I think most Mystaran elves should be Sorcerers and that's the way I'll run it in my > campaigns. > > Unfortunately it appears that we are in the minority on this subject :( > > John This isn't being done? This is a major error. Elves on the surface world all have magic according OD&D rules, which is 90% of Mystara products. While they should have the option of being wizards, the default for elves should be sorceror. For Hollow World elves this would be different, but not for surface elves. If the Mystara 3e team has decided the Sorcerer class is not present on Mystara, that is understandable, but if it is, surface elves should definitely qualify. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:21:53 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: <002901c0a742$b1c60a40$a884fad5@uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Andr�s Piquer Otero wrote: > limited to their sleeplessness and charm resistance? Otherwise, all magical > creatures in the monster books should have levels of sorcerer, which is not > the case... Bzzt! If you look at ANY conversion manual at the back of a D&D supplement, it says that D&D elves should convert to multiclass fighter/wizards. 3e Elves can use bows and swords, regardless of class. Therefore they bring their "fighter" with them. Sorcerers as a class are innately magical beings. Mystaran Elves are innately magical beings. The Sorcerer class fits them MUCH better than wizard. Read Gaz 5 - you don't see the Alfheimers spending their days studying books and learning magic. NO! It comes naturally to them. Humans study, Elves just "are". Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:25:05 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT In-Reply-To: <3AA6964A.A4AAF175@palmchip.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Dave Keyser wrote: > If the Mystara 3e team has decided the Sorcerer class is not present on Mystara, that > is understandable, but if it is, surface elves should definitely qualify. No.. The 3e team considers restricting classes to be a sin, but gratuitous rule rewrites (i.e. giving Elves extra feats and such) instead of simple word alterations are ok. Jenni may consider the elf problem over. But It still bothers me that their chosen solution is soooo wrong IMHO. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:21:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Besides my earlier post, I checked GAZ5 for background (non-rules) info to contribute the Sorc vs. Wizard debate: 1) Elves who can use the standard selection of arcane spells need to learn "magic from human wizards", spells like sleep and fireball are not elf-mage knowledge. So, the standard adventuring elf picks up magic from human societies, where the standard arcane system would be wizardry. 2) Elf-mages following the Way of the Tree: in order to care for the needs of their Clan, Treekeepers and assistants need more that those few spells per level than a sorcerer gets to know. Besides, Treekeeping is *taught*, not something innate like sorcery. An elder Treekeeper should know all spells!!! So, no matter if you decide to create a separate list for Treekeepers along with a prestige class or use a multiclass wizard-druid, it does not sound too much of sorcery to me... 3) Elf-mages who don't follow the Treekeeper path: it looks like a "decaf" Treekeeper selection: elves are initiated into lesser magicks, not bigger mysteries (like the rituals or the Reincarnation) which are meaningful for the fate of the community... sounds kinda wizardly to me too, but in that case I could see some elf-mages perusing their innate powers and thus being sorcerers. All in all, IMO the average "adventuring elf" would not be a sorc, only a minority of traditional forest-living elves could follow that path. Andr�s (who sticks to OD&D, BTW) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:50 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: <002d01c0a744$3ec22720$a884fad5@uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Andr�s Piquer Otero wrote: > 1) Elves who can use the standard selection of arcane spells need to learn > "magic from human wizards", spells like sleep and fireball are not elf-mage > knowledge. So, the standard adventuring elf picks up magic from human > societies, where the standard arcane system would be wizardry. Remember, D&D didn't have sorcery rules. Plus, Elves can multiclass sorcerer-wizard. Sorcerers can learn spells also IIRC. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:47:39 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Mystara 3E's elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:12:58 -0800 Dave Keyser writes: > If the Mystara 3e team has decided the Sorcerer class is not present > on Mystara, that > is understandable, but if it is, surface elves should definitely > qualify. The reason the Mystara3E team went with elves as wizards was: a) Regardless of interpretations of source material, that is the way they cast spells in OD&D. b) That's the favored class in standard 3E, and we're trying not to change things without good reason. c) It allowed an easy way around the "casting spells in armor" debate. Regardless, I am almost certain that elves as sorcerers will be an optional rule in the guide when it is finished, and it will be an extreemly easy change for the DM to malke with practically no secondary reprecussions to the world as presented or game balance. Requiring elves to take a level of either of those was not considered because it was decided that the philosophy towards that type of thing was to be "nothing required, nothing forbidden" It will be mentioned that a large majority of elves do invest levels in arcane spellcasting classes, but it will not be forbidden. Likewise, it will (probably) be stated that to date no arcane spellcasting dwarves ad been knwon, and there is reason to doubt they have the capability, but there will be no rule forbidding the classes preventing a player who wishes to do so from doing so if he can convince the DM, and we will not be counting on that limitation for game balance. Aaron Nowack - Unofficial Self-Appointed Mystara3E PR Person "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:40:26 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ron Rogers Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT In-Reply-To: SteelAngel 's message of Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:05:26 -0500 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Ethan writes; >MYSTARAN ELVES ARE SORCERERS!! >They always have been, it just wasn't availible >in basic D&D. They are innately magical. They >cast spells from birth, and have limits to the >amount of magic they can use. (oD&D level >limits = 3e 'spells known') >All Mystaran Elves should have at least one >level of sorcerer. I've only had the 3E PH since Christmas and the moment I saw the description of the Sorcerer class I realized that it would fit Mystaran Elves to a T. Although I would also assume that most Mystaran elves Multiclass Sorcerer with Fighter. I might also create a Mystara specific Elf race containing the traits Mystaran Elves are known for, like the ability to cast spells in full armor with no problems. CronoCloud (Ron Rogers) Knight of the Square Table http://members.tripod.com/~CronoCloud/index.html Member of the Knights Knoble http://knightsknoble.cjb.net ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:49:49 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: Re: Mystara 3E's elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well put Aaron. I couldn't have said it better myself. :-) Jenni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron E Nowack" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 14:47 Subject: [MYSTARA] Mystara 3E's elves > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:12:58 -0800 Dave Keyser writes: > > If the Mystara 3e team has decided the Sorcerer class is not present > > on Mystara, that > > is understandable, but if it is, surface elves should definitely > > qualify. > > The reason the Mystara3E team went with elves as wizards was: > a) Regardless of interpretations of source material, that is the > way they cast spells in OD&D. > b) That's the favored class in standard 3E, and we're trying not > to change things without good reason. > c) It allowed an easy way around the "casting spells in armor" > debate. > > Regardless, I am almost certain that elves as sorcerers will be > an optional rule in the guide when it is finished, and it will be an > extreemly easy change for the DM to malke with practically no secondary > reprecussions to the world as presented or game balance. > > Requiring elves to take a level of either of those was not > considered because it was decided that the philosophy towards that type > of thing was to be "nothing required, nothing forbidden" It will be > mentioned that a large majority of elves do invest levels in arcane > spellcasting classes, but it will not be forbidden. Likewise, it will > (probably) be stated that to date no arcane spellcasting dwarves ad been > knwon, and there is reason to doubt they have the capability, but there > will be no rule forbidding the classes preventing a player who wishes to > do so from doing so if he can convince the DM, and we will not be > counting on that limitation for game balance. > > > Aaron Nowack - Unofficial Self-Appointed Mystara3E PR Person > "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." > http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:01:14 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 For my own 3e conversion, I'm thinking of giving elves the choice between wizard and sorcerer as preferred class, with sorcerer as default, and requiring at least one level of wizard/sorcerer for all elvish characters (except for the inevitable PC outcast elf, born without any magic talent). I'm also thinking of coming up with a custom spell list for elven sorcerers, which would include many druid spells. It seems to me that forest elves who are "natural talents" would have many subtle woodland abilities. Sea elves, shadow elves, and other types would each have their own spell lists. Elven wizards of course would use the standard wizard list, since their magic is more trained and refined. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:01:58 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Early History of Halflings? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 18:23 3/7/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >I read (in the Cyclopedia I think) that Halflings are distantly related to >Humans. What a horrible thing to say about halflings. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:16:25 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:25:05 -0500 SteelAngel writes: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Dave Keyser wrote: > > > If the Mystara 3e team has decided the Sorcerer class is not > present on Mystara, that > > is understandable, but if it is, surface elves should definitely > qualify. > > No.. The 3e team considers restricting classes to be a sin, but > gratuitous > rule rewrites (i.e. giving Elves extra feats and such) instead of > simple > word alterations are ok. Umm... The final elf conversion consists of: *substituting the racial stat mods of a different elven subtype for the "standard 3E elf" racial mods *A "simple word alteration" on the free feat given to 1st level elven wizards *One new feat, which is not, repeat not, a free feat. I don't see any gratuitous rule rewrites there... I already posted as to why wizard as favored class rather than sorcerer. Aaron Nowack- Unofficial Self-Appointed Mystara 3E PR Person "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:04:27 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After I finished my email text, Aaron's came in, so let me respond to that first, than provide my original text. > Requiring elves to take a level of either of those was not >considered because it was decided that the philosophy towards that type >of thing was to be "nothing required, nothing forbidden" It will be >mentioned that a large majority of elves do invest levels in arcane >spellcasting classes, but it will not be forbidden. Likewise, it will >(probably) be stated that to date no arcane spellcasting dwarves ad been >knwon, and there is reason to doubt they have the capability, but there >will be no rule forbidding the classes preventing a player who wishes to >do so from doing so if he can convince the DM, and we will not be >counting on that limitation for game balance. This makes sense. I don't think any race should be required to start in any one class. My argument is only that if the Mystaran 3E team tries to define what causes a sorcerer's innate ability, and decides that sorcerers come from a particular race or nation, than elves fit better than most anyone else. Since this doesn't appear to be the case, I withdraw my criticism(and I appreciate the effort the Mystara 3E team is doing, hopefully my criticism didn't come across badly). Now my original reply - Let me preface first, I don't have a 3E Player's Handbook, I have a few 3E and D20 modules, and have read those. I fully acknowledge that this means I don't know much about 3E, and I really don't plan on converting my campaign to 3E, it is too much work, and I simply don't like how some of my campaign would change under the new rules(particularly the power levels). But with that said, I understand bits and pieces, and my understanding is that sorcerors have an innate ability to cast magic, because of their genes/heredity. This is kept vague though, to customize to individual campaigns. They don't use spellbooks, can cast more spells than a wizard can at equivalent level, but have much reduced spell selection. If any of this is incorrect or incomplete, please let me know. But assuming it is correct, let me continue. Does this fit any one particular group on Mystara perfectly? No, of course not, the sorceror didn't exist in OD&D or 2nd Edition AD&D, so no one was described that way. Alphatians fit the heredity aspect somewhat, but reduced spell selection doesn't fit. Glantri emphasizes mages learning at the school of magic, so that doesn't fit very well either. Plus they are a diverse group of ethnic tribes and races, so heredity doesn't fit. Wizards from other lands don't really fit any better, perhaps lands like Jaibul might have sorcerers, since they have a higher proportion of mages according to Champions of Mystara, and there is so little detail that there are no obvious conflicts with sorcerer. That still leaves the question of just what is the cause for a sorcerer's innate spell use in Mystara, 3E may keep it vague, but Mystara doesn't have too, and defining it now avoids possible contradictions in the future. Elves fit the heredity and reduced spell selection, so they fit better than most, and also defines what is the cause for innate spell use. Elven genes. > Besides my earlier post, I checked GAZ5 for background (non-rules) info to > contribute the Sorc vs. Wizard debate: > > 1) Elves who can use the standard selection of arcane spells need to learn > "magic from human wizards", spells like sleep and fireball are not elf-mage > knowledge. So, the standard adventuring elf picks up magic from human > societies, where the standard arcane system would be wizardry. > No problem, elves should have access to wizardry as well. But case 1) doesn't define most elves. Some elves should be wizards, but I am saying most would be sorcerers. > > 2) Elf-mages following the Way of the Tree: in order to care for the needs > of their Clan, Treekeepers and assistants need more that those few spells > per level than a sorcerer gets to know. Besides, Treekeeping is *taught*, > not something innate like sorcery. An elder Treekeeper should know all > spells!!! So, no matter if you decide to create a separate list for > Treekeepers along with a prestige class or use a multiclass wizard-druid, it > does not sound too much of sorcery to me... > I agree with you on case 2. Those who follow the GAZ5 rules for following the way of the Tree should also be wizards. As well as any elven clans who are noted for specializing in magical research and wizardry. But again, case 2 doesn't cover most elves. My impression from GAZ5 is that most elves do not know the spells of these Treekeepers, but you may disagree with this. > > 3) Elf-mages who don't follow the Treekeeper path: it looks like a "decaf" > Treekeeper selection: elves are initiated into lesser magicks, not bigger > mysteries (like the rituals or the Reincarnation) which are meaningful for > the fate of the community... sounds kinda wizardly to me too, but in that > case I could see some elf-mages perusing their innate powers and thus being > sorcerers. > Case 3 is the majority of elves, they fit sorcerer fairly well, but not perfectly, for the reasons I stated above. The description on GAZ5 was an attempt to describe the average elf mage according to the elf class in OD&D. If you don't think that this fits well enough, than you have an excellent reason to throw out the sorcerer class, or make it very rare(like those few human/elves who have a dragon ancestor). But it is a poor reason to go and select some other group which match up even less well to the sorcerer class than elves do. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:22:31 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT In-Reply-To: <20010307.151626.-368767.1.anowack@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [snip] Your point is well taken. I don't like the final version and I probably never will, but i shouldn't have yelled about things that weren't in it. However, some people were pushing large rule changes. I'm a minimalist. All I would have changed is 'preferred class' to sorcerer, and stressed world-wise that it's a rare elf that isn't a sorcerer or wizard. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:41:22 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >But with that said, I understand bits and pieces, and my >understanding is that sorcerors have an innate ability to >cast magic, because of their genes/heredity. That is one explanation, but it is more vague than that. Simply put, Sorcerers are untaught (based on Charisma), wizards are taught (based on Intelligence). Sorcery does not have to be hereditary, although it could be; but the ability to use wizard magic might be hereditary as well. That is left to individual campaigns to decide. The only suggestion in the 3e rules for hereditary sorcery is the "rumor" that some sorcerers claim to derive their power from dragon ancestry. The way I see it, some sorcerers have "magical blood", while other sorcerers are simply self-taught mages. In the old days, anyone who could use magic -- dragons, wizards, seers, prophets, witches, elves, witch doctors, mysterious hermits, etc -- was a magic-user, because that was the generic template for magic use. Now we have two templates allowing for a bit more mechanical variety, but neither one should be restricted to a particular race or explanation. I'd be as reluctant to define a single source/explanation for sorcerers as I would to say that "all wizards come from Alphatia" or "all fighters come from Thyatis". Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:49:50 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: Clarrifications about the 3E Elf (was Re: Elf clan spellbook) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I'd make some clarifying comments regarding some things said in the message I've quoted below, primarily so that those who are not and have not been involved with the discussions and decision making process of the 3E Project team have a chance to see both sides of this particular issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteelAngel" > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Dave Keyser wrote: > > > If the Mystara 3e team has decided the Sorcerer class is not present on Mystara, that > > is understandable, but if it is, surface elves should definitely qualify. First, to Dave: Mystara Elves "qualify" for the Sorcerer class, as do all other races. In fact, an elf can single or multi-class as Sorcerer if a player wishes to do so. What is somewhat at issue is the fact that "core" 3E Elves have a "favoured class" of Wizard, and this is being retained for the 3E version of the Mystaran Elf. All this means is that /if/ an Elf character chooses to /multiclass/, /if/ one of those classes is the Wizard class, it is not included when trying to determine if there is an XP penalty if he or she has not kept each of his or her classes within 1-level of each other. Nothing stops an Elf player from taking the Sorcerer class. And if it's the only class they use, or if it is kept in line with any other classes there will not be any penalties for doing so. > No.. The 3e team considers restricting classes to be a sin, but gratuitous > rule rewrites (i.e. giving Elves extra feats and such) instead of simple > word alterations are ok. This is a patantly false statement Ethan, and I'm saddened that you would say so. First, restricting classes is not exactly a "sin", instead, we feel that, in the spirit of D&D in general and the 3rd Edition rules in particular, it would be unwise of us to try and set down a flat restriction that says "You can not do X when campaigning in Mystara." This is for many reasons, not the least of which is that DM's in general tend to ignore such flat out restrictions anyway, doing whatever they feel like, if they feel like it. It can also turn people "off" of a campaign world if they feel that their options are too restricted. However, while we choose not to come out and say "No dwarf may be a Wizard or Sorcerer", or "All elves must start as such-'n-such a class at 1st level", we will be including recommendations that such things are rarely found or fairly frequent (i.e., "To date, no dwarven casters of arcane magic are known to exist in any region of Mystara." or "Most non-adventuring elves take at least some minor training in arcane magic as an accompaniment to their training in swordplay and archery.") And then we leave the ultimate decision up to each DM, without trying to dictate what they must or must not do. Regarding your charge of "gratuitous rule rewrites (i.e. giving Elves extra feats and such) instead of simple word alterations": First of all, changing the word "Wizard" to "Sorcerer" WOULD BE a "gratuitous rule rewrite" with respect to the core 3E rules for elves. Secondly, we have /NOT/ given elves "extra feats and such". In the end, we've specified a /Regional/ feat, based on the "Magical Training" feat from the FR Guidelines, that would be available to any Mystaran Elf raised in a "Traditional Elven Community". This actually requires /no/ changes to the traits of the core 3E Elf, and instead provides players and DM's with the /option/ of giving their single-classed Elven Fighters and Rogues a smattering of arcane cantrips to use. As for the "and such"... what other so-called "gratuitous rewrites" have we agreed on for the Elves, that didn't come based on serious consideration of the original 0E Mystaran Elf and with corresponding balancing factors when necessary? The only real change we have made to the core 3E Elven traits is that we chose to base their attribute modifiers on the "Sun Elf" from the FR Guidelines, rather than using the "core" Elf traits, because it was almost unanamously agreed that Mystaran Elves were more intellectually inclined, than Dextrously inclined, hence a switch from the core "+2 Dex, -2 Con" to the Sun Elf "+2 Int, -2 Con". And finally, to make those who feel that "casting while armoured" is a critical aspect of the Magic-Weilding Warriors of Alfheim, we agreed to a Regional "class" change, in that anyone trained in their First level of Wizardry by Elves in a Traditional Elven Community (or someone so trained) would be taught the "Still Spell" feat in lieu of the "Scribe Scroll" feat, instantly enabling them to beging casting some spells without fear of spell failure (at first only cantrips, but others as time goes on). > Jenni may consider the elf problem over. But It still bothers me that > their chosen solution is soooo wrong IMHO. You know, my own prefered option, which was to grant Elves the "magical training feat" as a racial ability (as core 3E Gnomes do, but with a spell selection that is more appropriate to the elves), was also not the chosen solution. And this was even with the "balancing factor" of removing the core 3E elves full immunity to sleep spells (though keeping their +2 to saves vs. enchantment) and losing their 4-hour trance (i.e., they would also have to have 8 hours of rest, so a warrior elf would not be able to take night watches that were longer than his companion's were) in "exchange" for these extra abilities -- gain a low level spellcasting feat, and loose a low level spellcasting immunity (sleep doesn't work on anyone with more than 5 character levels). So, I could whine and complain and say "Oh right. So much for the so-called innately magical Mystaran elves".... But, before this message, have you seen me complain, rail against the system or pooh-pooh the opinions of the majority of team members who bothered to vote on the subject? Have I dragged the issue on after a consensus was reached, opening it up in a completely different forum, in front of others who would be unaware of the process of dicussion, debate and consideration behind the topic at hand? No, you haven't. So let it go. Not everyone always gets their own way (not even the project leader!). And, if you really feel that you must continue to complain about these decisions, at least have the decency to keep it in the propert forum, so that we aren't flaunting our "dirty laundry" in front of people who, for the most part, probably don't care about our internal squables. And go ahead, make Sorcerer the favoured class for elves IYC. I've already chosen to go with the racial version of the magical training in mine, but I respect the will of the majority of voters and accept the fact that the "semi-official" 3E conversion of Mystara will recommend a different route. It would be nice if others could do the same. Jenni PS: Someone, in another, related post, suggested that Gnomes were sorcerers b/c of their "free cantrips". This is not true, as I've had this verified by one of the WotC employees: because these cantrips are based on the Intelligence score and not the Charisma score, they are Wizardly and not Sorcerous. In addition, a Gnome (or anyone else with this kind of feat) needs to prepare these spells each day, though DM's are free to assume that they have "mastered" these spells, so that there is no need for a spell book for preparation purposes. =JAMM PPS: Someone else, (perhaps) in yet another, related post, commented that the "Elves with Sorcerer as Favoured Class" might very well be offered as an "alternative" in the 3E Mystara project. This is a good point as we have discussed the fact that this is how the PHB and DMG were designed -- a single set of consistent rules were given in the PHB, representing the "core" rules of the 3rd Edition, while the DMG contained numerous suggestion for alternative rules, along with a discussion of what sort of effects the use of such alternate rules would have on game balance. Since there are some "alternatives" that have a very strong voice to support them, adding such alternatives to our information is quite a likely scenario. =JAMM ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:54:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Glantrian Elves (was: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> >>> Who would those have been? The elves who were driven away 2,100 years >>> before? Don't forget, the elves of today's Glantri are different elves and >>> did not arrive until after the Flaems had settled the land. >> didn't they become the shadow elves? maybe they will want glantri back now. then they could secure the radiance for themselves. << >>Except that they already have their own radience producing device, the CoM (which is >>either completed or near to completion depending upon what timeline you follow...). >> >>John On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:04:31 Andris Piquer Otero wrote: >There were several different "waves" of Elves in Glantri, pre- and post >Great Rain of Fire, and all of them are prior to the Flaems. > >Andris > True, but did elves settle in the later Glantri *after* the Glantrian Disaster around BC 1,700, when Glantri froze over again?? I know elves were there at the time, but they were all driven away by the catastrophe and subsequent ice (some to become shadowelves). I know that this is not the case for the Erewan elves because they arrived from the Sylvan Realm, IIRC, but I'm uncertain about the Belcadiz elves... Where did those really come from? - The Stalker suppose it is possible for the Belcadiz elves Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:28:04 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Bargain or not? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I picked up the Player's Guide, the DM's Sourcebook and two maps from the Hollow World boxed set (for three bucks!) sans the box. Is there anything out of that set that I'm missing? Thanks, VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:25:32 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >But it is a poor reason to go and select some >other group which match up even less well to the sorcerer class than elves do. Your points are really good, just a minor thing. I would say that humanoids (goblinoids, orcs, kobolds, etc) are the best-fitting into the Sorcerer class. Just by looking at GAZ10, the usage of gri-gris, ordeals and sacrifices to "dark entities of power" follows smoothly quite a few of the sorcerer ideas in the 3e PHB and DMG. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:44:14 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Aaron E Nowack Subject: Re: Mystara 3E's elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:49:49 -0800 "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" writes: > Well put Aaron. I couldn't have said it better myself. :-) > > Jenni Thank you. :) So, if I defeat another CR 5 Foolish Dissenter in heated flame war, will I have enough XP to level up and become the "Official Self-Appointed Mystara3E PR Person"? :) Aaron Nowack- Unofficial Self-Appointed Mystara3E PR Person "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:33:24 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Bargain or not? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, you're missing less than half!! there are two other maps and an adventure book, with some adventure ideas, two developed adventures and monster entries for typical HW creatures (like dinosaurs and flying vipers). Some detail on the maps: 2 of them are regular, GAZ-type maps (though the scale is bigger) depicting the continent of Iciria, north and south. the other 2 are big world maps, with the whole HW and outer world, to make calculations of "which HW land stands under which OW region" and some pre Darkmoor cataclysm world maps together with migration patterns of the major races (useful for the sections of "History in the Outer World"). Nevertheless, it's a good deal IMO, especially if you have or acquire the RC, which has lotsa dinosaur entries and the big world maps reprinted. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:38:22 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Bargain or not? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think the adventure booklet is missing, but it's not a big deal..; well i mean it's a good bargain to have had it at that price... Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ramhog To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Bargain or not? > I picked up the Player's Guide, the DM's Sourcebook and two maps from > the Hollow World boxed set (for three bucks!) sans the box. Is there > anything out of that set that I'm missing? > > > Thanks, > VVH > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:39:52 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Bargain or not? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit as for the hex style maps, i have almost finnished one and i can say that the rest shall be ready for june.be patient Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Andr�s Piquer Otero To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Bargain or not? > Well, you're missing less than half!! there are two other maps and an > adventure book, with some adventure ideas, two developed adventures and > monster entries for typical HW creatures (like dinosaurs and flying vipers). > Some detail on the maps: > 2 of them are regular, GAZ-type maps (though the scale is bigger) depicting > the continent of Iciria, north and south. > the other 2 are big world maps, with the whole HW and outer world, to make > calculations of "which HW land stands under which OW region" and some pre > Darkmoor cataclysm world maps together with migration patterns of the major > races (useful for the sections of "History in the Outer World"). > > Nevertheless, it's a good deal IMO, especially if you have or acquire the > RC, which has lotsa dinosaur entries and the big world maps reprinted. > > Andr�s > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:40:20 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Apology. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Jenni A. M. Merrifield wrote: > This is a patantly false statement Ethan, and I'm saddened that you would > say so. I'll apologize again for jumping out of reality with that statement. I know it wasn't true, but in my mindset at the time (never, ever, do your email while solving Jackson E&M problems) I just needed to vent, and since the elven question came up, I kind of flew off the handle. Everyone loses their cool sometimes. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:15:28 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > didn't they become the shadow elves? maybe they will want glantri back now. > then they could secure the radiance for themselves. > << > > Except that they already have their own radience producing device, the CoM (which is > either completed or near to completion depending upon what timeline you follow...). > ah yes but maybe they want the monopoly on radiance use. this would really make them a force in mystara. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:38:14 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well complain to J.R.R. Tolkein about that one. >From: Beau Yarbrough >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Early History of Halflings? >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:01:58 -0800 > >At 18:23 3/7/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > >I read (in the Cyclopedia I think) that Halflings are distantly related >to > >Humans. > > What a horrible thing to say about halflings. > > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:10:06 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Subject: Re: Apology. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At Wednesday, 7 March 2001, you wrote: >On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Jenni A. M. Merrifield wrote: > >> This is a patantly false statement Ethan, and I'm saddened that you would >> say so. > >I'll apologize again for jumping out of reality with that statement. I >know it wasn't true, but in my mindset at the time (never, ever, do your >email while solving Jackson E&M problems) I just needed to vent, and since >the elven question came up, I kind of flew off the handle. Everyone loses >their cool sometimes. Apology Accepted. :-) Jenni ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:18:25 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why theAlmanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Andr�s Piquer Otero wrote: > >But it is a poor reason to go and select some > >other group which match up even less well to the sorcerer class than elves > do. > > Your points are really good, just a minor thing. I would say that humanoids > (goblinoids, orcs, kobolds, etc) are the best-fitting into the Sorcerer > class. Just by looking at GAZ10, the usage of gri-gris, ordeals and > sacrifices to "dark entities of power" follows smoothly quite a few of the > sorcerer ideas in the 3e PHB and DMG. > > Andr�s You are correct, they match at least as well as elves do. I just forgot about them. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:50:32 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: I just thought I'd get this off my chest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I hate everyone who owns a copy of Night's Dark Terror. And I don't much care for anyone who got to play it. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:07:22 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Mystara 3E's elves In-Reply-To: <20010307.164415.-368767.3.anowack@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 7 Mar 2001, at 16:44, Aaron E Nowack wrote: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:49:49 -0800 "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" > writes: > > Well put Aaron. I couldn't have said it better myself. :-) > > > > Jenni > > Thank you. :) > > So, if I defeat another CR 5 Foolish Dissenter in heated flame war, will > I have enough XP to level up and become the "Official Self-Appointed > Mystara3E PR Person"? :) Hmmm... I don't know. By official 3E rules, it's supposed to take an average of 13.5 encounters to level up, but that assumes encounters at an "equivalent" EL level, and the amount of XP also depends on how many associates are helping you in your defeat. I'll give you that you were pretty much the sole defender in this case, and he had at least two CR 3 subordinates on his side ... so yeah, if you can defeat another one, you can go up a level ;-) > > > Aaron Nowack- Unofficial Self-Appointed Mystara3E PR Person > "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." > http://www.geocities.com/anowack/ > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- Benevolent Despot of the Mystara 3E Project M3E Project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mystara3E ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.