========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:12:25 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Rob wrote: > > > > >> 2- Someone said that shaping red steel is easier than > >> cold iron; so creating an object of that material > >> takes very less time, isn't it? > > > > I think this is wrong. Red steel is harder to smelt than normal steel > > (there is a special NWP for it in the 2e red steel box - you need > > Redsmithing as well as Weaponsmithing, and only the Inheritors really have > > access to Redsmithing). > > Uhm, Redsmithing is available for all characters, though Inheritor > fighters have it as a bonus (or required, I don't remember) proficiency. > Otherwise, some historical events of the SC timeline would have never > happened (those involving units armed with red steel weapons, especially > before or around AC 1000). This is true, but the Inheritors, particularly the Ruby Inheritors, like having total control over the red steel market. As a fighter inheritor gets Redsmithing (and Weaponsmithing) as his free proficiencies, probably 95% of all redsmiths are in fact Inheritors. The stuff going on around 1000AC is unchanged - the Inheritors did still exist, merely in a different form (ie, the LB Trading Company and the Lawful Brotherhood). Not as organised and as cohesive as they are by 1013 - but as red steel during those times was confined to the Savage Baronies pretty much (as that was the cursed area of the time) I imagine even then the Lawful Brotherhood/LB Trading had the redsmithing market pretty tightly under their jurisdiction - and by 1013 they could have easily snapped up what few independent redsmiths there might have been and put em on the payroll. The red steel weapon use was all done in Cimmaron County, which, strangely enough, is where LB Trading is based. I think if anything thats more support for the idea of LBT having a near total monopoly on the red steel market (certainly by 1013 the Inheritors run the red steel show almost everywhere on the Savage Coast). Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:00:38 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Gordon McCormick Subject: Off for a bit. In-Reply-To: <20010306184006.I6847@esatclear.ie>; from gmcc@esatclear.ie on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 06:40:06PM +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey guys, Due to increased workload and stuff I'm taking a break from the MML. I'll still be on the MNS and if anyone needs to reach me with regards newsgroups or whatever I can be contacted at gordon @ starflung.com cheers, gordon ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:40:43 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob wrote: > > This is true, but the Inheritors, particularly the Ruby Inheritors, like > having total control over the red steel market. As a fighter inheritor gets > Redsmithing (and Weaponsmithing) as his free proficiencies, probably 95% of > all redsmiths are in fact Inheritors. IMO, Inheritors are too rare to be really able to control all red steel trade/manufacturing (and Inheritor fighters have other duties in addition to weaponsmithing). Moreover they use a lot of red steel to pay for Slagovich's cinnabryl, which definitely leaves them with less metal to work. > The red steel weapon use was all done in Cimmaron County, which, strangely > enough, is where LB Trading is based. Nay, it was in Torreon, in the wars in 968. Cimarron used red steel weaponry only a decade later, due to the Almarronan occupation. BTW, the SC campaign setting seems to imply that the three aligned societies were actually waning when the Inheritor took over. > I think if anything thats more > support for the idea of LBT having a near total monopoly on the red steel > market (certainly by 1013 the Inheritors run the red steel show almost > everywhere on the Savage Coast). But they started getting in control of the mines only in AC 1009, after the spread of the curse. Before that time, they were only interested in mining small quantities of cinnabryl (for their own use), while aggressive nations like Torreon mined cinnabryl just to have it depleted and transmuted to red steel (I suppose that's how the "deplete" spell came to be). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:52:49 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The red steel weapon use was all done in Cimmaron County, which, strangely > > enough, is where LB Trading is based. > > Nay, it was in Torreon, in the wars in 968. Cimarron used red steel > weaponry only a decade later, due to the Almarronan occupation. BTW, the > SC campaign setting seems to imply that the three aligned societies were > actually waning when the Inheritor took over. Ahh, you learn something new every day :-) Torreon is so poor I doubt they have much control over anything mind you - economically at least. I dont know about the various organisations waning. I think they were small fish compared with the 1013 orders of Inheritors, but that seems fair enough given that the Red Curse was more of a magical curiosity rather than something that afflicted hundreds of thousands of people prior to AC 1000. Given how Middle Ages guilds work (and for that matter, modern day trade unions) I can well understand the knowledge of redsmithing to be a fairly rare thing. If only because red steel is rare.. (Purely from a metagaming stance, redsmithing + weaponsmithing is 5 NWP slots, which is a Lot - being able to smith red steel is evidently a very, very demanding art, effectively requiring a specialist. An Inheritor fighter gets em for free - while others could get it, the sheer difficulty of learning those skills would make it rare. I doubt any PC would spend that many NWP slots on getting redsmithing!). Mind you, having weaponsmiths of surpassing excellence rare is a cool thing, especially in a swashbuckling setting I think. I'm reminded of Domingo Montoya here :-) "Never before have I seen it's equal..." > > I think if anything thats more > > support for the idea of LBT having a near total monopoly on the red steel > > market (certainly by 1013 the Inheritors run the red steel show almost > > everywhere on the Savage Coast). > > But they started getting in control of the mines only in AC 1009, after > the spread of the curse. Before that time, they were only interested in > mining small quantities of cinnabryl (for their own use), while > aggressive nations like Torreon mined cinnabryl just to have it depleted > and transmuted to red steel (I suppose that's how the "deplete" spell > came to be). It does say in there that the Inheritors do their damndest to control cinnabryl and red steel distribution. In fact, some baronies have banned Inheritors from their borders (Narvaez) because the government wants to that itself (ie, to deck out their troops with red steel weapons in all likelihood). The LBT Company has links with the Ruby Inheritors, who go out of their way to see cinnabryl being distributed in an orderly fashion (just listen to Don Luis ragging on about it). BTW, don't you think Don Luis was a bit unfair to Igor Balazar? I mean, Igor turns up, about to turn into a twisted monster from cinnabryl deprivation, and Don Luis can't be bothered to get off his butt, away from the party that he's throwing, to help Igor out. I feel real sorry for Igor :-) Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:07:24 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob wrote: > > > > The red steel weapon use was all done in Cimmaron County, which, > strangely > > > enough, is where LB Trading is based. > > > > Nay, it was in Torreon, in the wars in 968. Cimarron used red steel > > weaponry only a decade later, due to the Almarronan occupation. BTW, the > > SC campaign setting seems to imply that the three aligned societies were > > actually waning when the Inheritor took over. > > Ahh, you learn something new every day :-) > > Torreon is so poor I doubt they have much control over anything mind you - > economically at least. It is poor because its baronesa only minds about her army (read, buying red steel and smokepowder). > I dont know about the various organisations waning. I think they were small > fish compared with the 1013 orders of Inheritors, but that seems fair enough > given that the Red Curse was more of a magical curiosity rather than > something that afflicted hundreds of thousands of people prior to AC 1000. Exactly. > Given how Middle Ages guilds work (and for that matter, modern day trade > unions) I can well understand the knowledge of redsmithing to be a fairly > rare thing. If only because red steel is rare.. (Purely from a metagaming > stance, redsmithing + weaponsmithing is 5 NWP slots, which is a Lot - being > able to smith red steel is evidently a very, very demanding art, effectively > requiring a specialist. An Inheritor fighter gets em for free - while > others could get it, the sheer difficulty of learning those skills would > make it rare. I doubt any PC would spend that many NWP slots on getting > redsmithing!). Yes, but PCs are adventurers, not weaponsmiths. NPC waeponsmiths would spend all of their NWPs on their trade. > Mind you, having weaponsmiths of surpassing excellence rare is a cool > thing, especially in a swashbuckling setting I think. I'm reminded of > Domingo Montoya here :-) > > "Never before have I seen it's equal..." Sorry, I don't get this one :( > > But they started getting in control of the mines only in AC 1009, after > > the spread of the curse. Before that time, they were only interested in > > mining small quantities of cinnabryl (for their own use), while > > aggressive nations like Torreon mined cinnabryl just to have it depleted > > and transmuted to red steel (I suppose that's how the "deplete" spell > > came to be). > > It does say in there that the Inheritors do their damndest to control > cinnabryl and red steel distribution. In fact, some baronies have banned > Inheritors from their borders (Narvaez) because the government wants to that > itself (ie, to deck out their troops with red steel weapons in all > likelihood). More to keep the people under control through the churches. Those who only want red steel would have deals like the one in Slagovich, since the Inheritor do produce more red steel than the states would be able to do. > The LBT Company has links with the Ruby Inheritors, who go out > of their way to see cinnabryl being distributed in an orderly fashion (just > listen to Don Luis ragging on about it). Still, there's much red steel in the hands of many governments and individuals, other than the Inheritors. Cinnabryl is another matter, since many governments (Torreon especially) don't care for it. > BTW, don't you think Don Luis was a bit unfair to Igor Balazar? I mean, > Igor turns up, about to turn into a twisted monster from cinnabryl > deprivation, and Don Luis can't be bothered to get off his butt, away from > the party that he's throwing, to help Igor out. > > I feel real sorry for Igor :-) Yes, Igor had his reasons. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:13:01 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: 3e sorcerers and dragons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The only > suggestion in the 3e rules for hereditary sorcery is the "rumor" that > some sorcerers claim to derive their power from dragon ancestry. does that mean that dragons are sorcerers not wizards? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:52:49 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Elven spellcasters. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> > Just a though on why elves don't have spellbooks. > Elves being *naturally magical* *don't read magic in the > same way as humans do* and thus don't have to have a > spellbook but can use others. Elf PC's generally learn > their magic from humans, which encorages the idea that > they may be able to read others spellbooks, and > memorize spells from it with the help of the author > who is needed only to point out the idiosincracies of > his own magic writing style. Once a spell from a given > book has been memorized once the elf can go so again > without the mage's assistance > << > > This is also another 3E idea. It's called the Sorcerer. No it's not. The key statments I have put between astrixes. If a wizard reads magic in a given way but someone else reads it in a different way that does not make them a sorcerer, but something other (or more) then a wizard. *IF* there are only two options for magic, wizard or sorcerer, then a non-wizard magic user is a sorcerer, however what I was saying was to have *another* way. An optional rule if you will to explain the OD&D class better. A Mystaran elf racial ability if you will. Elves have the ability to read magic in a different way from other races spellcasters. Humans see the ink on the page. Elves, because they are magical themselves, see the ink *and* the magic it holds that is linked to it. It still requires intelegence to read and cast, and the same requirements as a wizard, just that because they are more in touch with magical things they can read and understand things that a non-elf could not see. This is why elven adventurers usually have magic and no spellbooks. Being adventures they do not spend their time studying and writing magic, but when they see the inside of a spellbook thay are intregued as they can see more about it then just writing. With some assistance from a mage they can easily comprehend what it is does and how it works. They therefore tend to memorize spells, because they can. But primerally they rely on their wits to get them through. Often that means a sword or bow, but a spell doesn't hurt. Elves are thus fighters, but because of their reading *ability* they can memorize and cast spells like a mage. Because of the way an elvish mind works however they advance in levels more slowly then humans because it takes them more time to master something as they tend to be flighty and act on whims then concentrate on one thing. Adventuring elves can thus only advance to a certain level of magical understanding, because they do not have the magical training in magecraft and generally they do not have the urge to study (Perhaps some do but most of those would never leave their kin). Most elves are thus fighters but also will have access to a clan spellbook where they can memorize some basic spells. Some elf clans however do tend to favour the arcane arts and do study them, but most elves personally do not choose this. Also for the casting magic in armor, elves get around this for the same reason that they can read humans spellbooks, they are magical and when they cast spells they can control the magic better then a human and thus can get away with less freedom of movement and/or any interference that the armor creates between the caster and the spell is negated by their naturally magical nature as well. It's kinda funny really. I believe in keeping consistant with canon as much as possible as it is the description of the "world" and to do this adding new rules or modifying old ones does not seem so bad, but it appears that to others it seems that it is not right to have something that isn't in the rules. Rules IMO should be built around the reality not the reality built around the rules. Look to the reason/s the rule/s exists and then modify them. It does seem silly to me saying elves magic use makes them fit well as sorcerers more then wizards so thats what they are, and then say because sorcerers rely on charisma elves now tend to have good charisma when you could just say that in Mystara sorcerers rely on intelegence and elves are inate sorcerers with this spell list and this amount of spells. Why can't you just write a new class, and make it elf specific, and base it on both spell casting classes? I'm not sure if others like the explanation above but I haven't seen a reason it shouldn't work. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:58:08 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Question on red steel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I'd put in my two cents. > Hi guys! > In the past days we've spoken about red steel... > Here some other questions about it! > 1- The lesser weight of the object, if a weapon, is > translated in a lesser factor of speed of that weapon, > used to see who will attack first? I lighter sword requires more time to work a hole in an opponants defence then a heavy one and thus they would strike about the same time in the round. You can have light or heavy normal swords anyway and that doesn't change the speed, just the style of fighting. You could also make red steel weapons of the same weight as normal swords just bigger and stronger. Remember that the hit roll often represents a series of attacks, not just one swing. With a heavier sword you will make less attacks but those that do conect will be more likely to chew through armor, and thus a simmilar number of effective attacks. > 2- Someone said that shaping red steel is easier than > cold iron; so creating an object of that material > takes very less time, isn't it? > 3- The cost of red steel are surely much more elevated > than normal cold iron; i should multiply the weapon > cost x3, x4...Any idea? Steel swords = forged iron with high carbon content. Temper applyed to the blade, which varies from extremities to center (on good swords) Hard temper on blade edges so they stay sharp (chisel sharpness for broadswords) but because this hard temper is britle they have a soft tempered middle so they flex. this is what most weapons are made of. Cold iron = from another mailers indication For cold-forged iron, you don't heat it in the forge, and you must shape it simply by hammering it. The disadvantage is that cold iron is hard and more brittle, and therefore requires more skill to mold properly. I don't get this. Why would the fact that it hasn't been heated make it more dangerous to certain creatures.... And steel wise it it's steel it'll be more britle but keep it's edge with a high carbon content but near imposible to shape, and break easily, while if it is low carbon (i.e. a mild steel) it will not keep a keen edge and will periodically get bent out of shape rather then being britle and breaking (I know cause I use a Mild steel sword). If it's wrought iron it has a sulphur content but in that case it can be heated and shaped. The only thing I can think of is a no carbon iron, which would be simmilar to mild steel but weaker, and yes more brittle but would also make terrible weapons, with bad edges. However since when did the absence rather then the presence of something make an object do more dammage. Any ideas, or am I justified in thinking it a stupid rule. > 5- Last question: if considered as a +0 weapon, a > weapon of that kind can it any tipe of creature hit > only by magical items? Even if the creature is it only > by +3 weapons? red steel = Magical material made from a magical ore (albiet a depleated one). Thus when you hit something with it it is like hitting them with something magical, and it they can only be hurt by magical stuff, it is magical, just not in the way an enchanted sword is. The magic still has a shape and thus inflicts damage. Creatures only hit by weapons of a certain magic strength will not be hit because they require the weapon to be able to magically make the blow worse. Thats How I read it. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:43:25 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Elven spellcasters. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Chris wrote: >Because of the way an elvish mind works however they advance in >levels more slowly then humans because it takes them more >time to master something as they tend to be flighty and act on >whims then concentrate on one thing. I don't see elves like this at all. To me elves are highly disciplined (and Lawful). They neither learn more quickly nor more slowly, but they do learn thoroughly and perfectly. Since they live a long time, they don't rush through things or do things halfway; they'll have to live with their decisions for a long time, so they do it right. They do not advanced more slowly, they are just more "wholistic" in their training. While a fighter neglects his mind and a wizard neglects his body, elves are unwilling to do either. While they are developing their spellcraft, they are also engaged in disciplined physical development and combat training, social development, the arts, scholarship, and other things. IMC elves are not *limited* in their magical understanding, and can eventually rival the greatest human wizards if they pursue it. The difference perhaps is that humans are obsessed with conquest and mastery of a single thing within their relatively short lifetime, to make a name for themselves. Elves realize that their are more important things - love, beauty, happiness - and relatively few develop that obsessive pursuit of a single goal. Still with their long lives and disciplined nature, many do achieve a high degree of mastery, often in multiple fields. Not arguing with you, btw, just presenting a different viewpoint. Your explanation does seem plausible and interesting and I totally agree with modifying the rules to conform to the setting. I really like the idea of elves not using spellbooks for "routine" spell use, though I could see them having a library for serious study and research. In 3e terms it might make sense to give all elves at least one level of Spell Mastery. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:46:50 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: 3e sorcerers and dragons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>The only >>suggestion in the 3e rules for hereditary sorcery is the "rumor" >>that some sorcerers claim to derive their power from dragon >> ancestry. > > does that mean that dragons are sorcerers not wizards? No. Dragons may be sorcerers, wizards, both, or neither, just like people. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:58:15 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 As far as I can tell, "cold iron" is a term borrowed from folklore and legend, but undefined. It is supposed to be effective against fairies. For some reason gamers have defined it as "iron worked without heat" but that seems silly to me, if for no other reason than you can't even produce iron from ore without heat, unless you get it from an asteroid, which was certainly hot at one point. And as you say, it would be very difficult to work, inferior to steel, and brittle. (Does anyone know if "wrought iron" is worked cold, or hot?) Anyway, I personally think the reference to "cold iron" is poetic, much like the term "cold blood", or "three feet of cold iron" -- but it is just regular iron/steel. Historians believe that it originated in the early iron age, when iron weapons were so much superior to bronze that they seemed magical. Iron also has a "blue" color (cold), unlike bronze which is orange-red (hot). And of course, an iron sword is going to be cold to the touch, even on a hot day, due to its mass. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:53:17 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: 3e sorcerers and dragons In-Reply-To: <48272001348234650312@dsl-only.net>; from gm@DSL-ONLY.NET on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:46:50PM -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:46:50PM -0800, Michael Harvey wrote: > >>The only > >>suggestion in the 3e rules for hereditary sorcery is the "rumor" > >>that some sorcerers claim to derive their power from dragon > >> ancestry. > > > > does that mean that dragons are sorcerers not wizards? > > No. Dragons may be sorcerers, wizards, both, or neither, just like > people. Note the column for each dragon indicating it's sorceror level... -- knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were blowing things up, what you glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two high levels or 1,024 http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | 1st levels? - Seymour Cray on parallel | adventuring ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:46:02 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That seems to be far less of a > problem than the international limitations. Are these ESDs > still limited to the USA and Canada? I could have sworn that > at one point I was seeing occasional announcements to the > effect that ESDs were now available in X country, so I > (apparently in error) thought that WotC was actually making > progress in that area. I was looking at their site the other day and could see nothing about the ESD's being limited still. If they are could someone point us to were it say's it... but it looks like the problem may be no more. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:00:10 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Elven spellcasters. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't see elves like this at all. To me elves are highly > disciplined (and Lawful). This is a good discription too. I think it may seem that they are flighty to other races because they seem to always be doing something different, when it is actually quite regimented and planed. Elves just think differently thats all. I was taking the view of the outsider, while yours fits well as an insider. "Because of the way an elvish mind works however they advance in levels more slowly then humans because it takes them more time to master something as they tend to be flighty and act on whims then concentrate on one thing." Whims is probally inacurate in the above. How it seems to an outsider is a whim but to a elf it is a neccecary logical thing to do. Just thinking that may reconcile the two views. Chris. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:28:36 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: 3e sorcerers and dragons In-Reply-To: <20010309095317.C401350@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Glenn Butcher wrote: > Note the column for each dragon indicating it's sorceror level... Oops, you're right. I knew that some dragons were spellcasters, but I thought it was done using the "classed monster" rules, not as an intrinsic ability. Mmm, yummy shoe leather... :-) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:56:42 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Dave Arneson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Has anyone on the list ever contacted the grandaddy of all rpgs to produce anything new for Blackmoor or the Known World? Maybe I'm just sentimental, but it's seems wrong somehow to forge ahead like this without any kind of input from Mr. Arneson (especially with Gygax still around stinking things up). VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:50:28 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Americancyco Subject: Just found some old things MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was at my mother's today and going through a closet in my old bedroom I came across some things. Wrath of the Immortals Red Steel Red Steel: Savage Coast Karemeikos box set Glantri (box set) Night oif the Vampire Hall of Heros and Mark of Amber I hadn't seen these things in years and with recent talk on this list it really was pretty cool. I still have my original and expert sets along with my adventures and Shadowy Dragon Inn. I'm even thinking about starting up a old time game or two just for fun. My fincee has never played D&D and I think you have never really played D&D until you go through the keep in the basic set or Keep on the Boardlands. Sorry to ramble on but I just had a good night tonight and found some nice treasure under some dust behind the closet door. ===== Evil is as humans do Bible prophecy comes true in the desert sands Beware of THEM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:56:12 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Isle of Dread map from X1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My copy of this module is missing the island map. The ones on the net have no encounter locations marked. Does anyone have a scanned map on the web or could you email it to me? Thanks Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:06:21 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Terry J Deibler Jr Subject: Koriszegy Keep MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody run an adventure there. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:36:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Saarela Sami Subject: VS: [MYSTARA] Trading Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Unfortunately there still is the same message in the item description saying: This product cannot be currently shipped TO the following countries: Aruba, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Bulgaria Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic Estonia, Finland, Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden Switzerland, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan I send WotC an e-mail couple of days ago and they said that they were looking in to the matter and that they'll report if/when the situation changes in their mailing list (which I'm also a part of). I'll forward the info here as soon as I'll hear something from WotC. - Sami > ---------- > L�hett�j�: c_furneaux[SMTP:c_furneaux@YAHOO.COM] > Vastaa: Mystara > L�hetetty: 9. maaliskuuta 2001 4:46 > Vastaanottaja: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Aihe: Re: [MYSTARA] Trading Post > > > That seems to be far less of a > > problem than the international limitations. Are these ESDs > > still limited to the USA and Canada? I could have sworn that > > at one point I was seeing occasional announcements to the > > effect that ESDs were now available in X country, so I > > (apparently in error) thought that WotC was actually making > > progress in that area. > > I was looking at their site the other day and could see nothing about the > ESD's being limited still. If they are could someone point us to were it > say's it... but it looks like the problem may be no more. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:33:12 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanacshould NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Harvey" > > I'm also thinking of coming up with a custom spell list for elven > sorcerers, which would include many druid spells. It seems to me that > forest elves who are "natural talents" would have many subtle > woodland abilities. Sea elves, shadow elves, and other types would > each have their own spell lists. Elven wizards of course would use > the standard wizard list, since their magic is more trained and > refined. What I did in the Elf spell lists that I developed for the Mystara3E project was analyze the two Elf gazetteers ("Elves of Alfheim" and "Shadow Elves"). Since the latter was the later or more "mature" product, I used it as the basis for splitting the mostly common Elf spell list into "arcane" and "divine" spells. The "arcane" spells would be available to Elf Wizards or Sorcerers (as they seem to have the exact same spell lists in 3E), while the "divine" spells would be reserved for characters who take an appropriate divine spellcasting class ("Shaman" for Shadow Elves, and the as yet undeveloped "Forester Priest" for Alfheim Elves). The main problem with making Sorcerer the favored class for Elves is that too many sources describe them as having spell books and/or using Int (not Cha) as the stat powering their spells. However, I see no problem with Elves beginning play as single-classed Bards or as multi-classed Sorcerers (via the "Arcane Schooling" feat [which permits them to add any single arcane spellcasting class as a favored multi-class] from the latest version of the Forgotten Realms Guidelines. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:37:56 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Elf clan spellbook (was d20 (was Why the Almanac should NOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mike Harvey" > David Knott wrote: > > That gives me an interesting idea: Maybe Elves can pool their > > power so that they can use the Still Spell feat with no effective > > spell level increase while they are at home using the clan > > spellbook. > > Why does everyone seem to think elves should have Still Spell? I've > seen this time and time again, but I never saw any reference to this > in OD&D. Is is something from the Alfheim gaz? I just leaked a decision of the Mystara3E team.... > > This approach would give Elven military units > > the formidable power that they have in most sources > > Why would Still Spell be so useful in the military. (I'm not > challenging you, just curious) That one is simple -- it eliminates the arcane spell failure penalty for casting spells while wearing armor, albeit at a cost of using up a spell slot of one level higher. Throw in an idea for letting them use spell slots of the same level rather than one level higher, and you have a deadly force of armored wizards. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:47:01 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Glantrian Elves (was: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "The Stalker" > > True, but did elves settle in the later Glantri *after* the Glantrian > Disaster around BC 1,700, when Glantri froze over again?? I > know elves were there at the time, but they were all driven away > by the catastrophe and subsequent ice (some to become > shadowelves). I know that this is not the case for the Erewan > elves because they arrived from the Sylvan Realm, IIRC, but > I'm uncertain about the Belcadiz elves... Where did those > really come from? Given their names, they most likely came from the Savage Baronies at the eastern end of the Savage Coast. From the timeline in G:KoM, they apparently arrived ca. 730 AC, along with the Thyatians and Traladarans but well after the Flaems. It is not clear whether the Alfheim Elves came at the same time or later. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:41:31 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Beau Yarbrough" > At 18:23 3/7/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > >I read (in the Cyclopedia I think) that Halflings are distantly related to > >Humans. > > What a horrible thing to say about halflings. There is no clear statement to that effect in the D&D RC. Nevertheless, the obvious physical similarities of demi-humans to humans suggest that they must be distantly related -- but you can tone down the apparent insult of that statement by saying that they are DISTANTLY related (vice distantly RELATED). After all, evolutionary theory suggests that all forms of life are distantly related, so saying that two humanoid races are related means little unless you suggest a very close relationship. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:10:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Glantrian Elves (was: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Knott wrote: > >> I'm uncertain about the Belcadiz elves... Where did those >> really come from? > > Given their names, they most likely came from the Savage > Baronies at the eastern end of the Savage Coast. From > the timeline in G:KoM, they apparently arrived ca. 730 > AC, along with the Thyatians and Traladarans but well > after the Flaems. The Ispan culture in the Savage Coast does not date back that far. I find more probable to have the Belcadiz come from the original areas occupied by the Ispans, that is somewhere near Thyatis or Thanegioth. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:00:14 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2001 7:13:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, gm@DSL-ONLY.NET writes: << As far as I can tell, "cold iron" is a term borrowed from folklore and legend, but undefined. It is supposed to be effective against fairies. For some reason gamers have defined it as "iron worked without heat" but that seems silly to me, if for no other reason than you can't even produce iron from ore without heat, unless you get it from an asteroid, which was certainly hot at one point. And as you say, it would be very difficult to work, inferior to steel, and brittle. (Does anyone know if "wrought iron" is worked cold, or hot?) Anyway, I personally think the reference to "cold iron" is poetic, much like the term "cold blood", or "three feet of cold iron" -- but it is just regular iron/steel. Historians believe that it originated in the early iron age, when iron weapons were so much superior to bronze that they seemed magical. Iron also has a "blue" color (cold), unlike bronze which is orange-red (hot). And of course, an iron sword is going to be cold to the touch, even on a hot day, due to its mass. >> The Ravenloft setting has an influx of cold iron and cold forged weapons. The Vistani are known for creating them. There is reference to these weapons to harm creatures that normal weapons cannot...sort of like silver weapons. I am unsure if the RL texts describe the cold weapons to any real definitions or details. I'll dig out some of RL materials and see what they have. The Evil Eye and VRG:Vistani may have something. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:16:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Cold Iron Mike wrote: I remember PC1 stating that, for OD&D purposes at least, "cold iron" was simply iron. Any iron-based weapon hitting a faery would be dangerous, which is why the wee folk (IIRC) tend to use bronze, wooden, or magical weapons (or made from other metals, like silver). Just my $0.02 Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:50:05 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: Koriszegy Keep-There is a VERY good video game that explores it :) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 This might not be what you are looking for but here it goes...I never quite ran an adventure with Koriszegy Keep in the tabletop gaming sense but I HAVE played there before since an older video game RPG had a major portion of its storyline there :)... The game was called "Order of the Griffon" ,for the TurboGrafx16, and it was a REALLY well done RPG depicting the Karameikan setting quite well. The game map is very similar to the official one as cities such as Specularum (this game was apparently set pre-WoTI), Kelvin, and Radlebb Keep and their important NPCs make their detailed appearances here. I'd hate to give any spoilers (unless anyone wants them) but I can say that the storyline does revolve around the vampire cursed there based upon the information given in GAZ1. The game goes further building the personality of this vampire, his motives, and his connections with other (unnamed in this email) major criminal organizations in Karameikos. It was a GREAT game and a personal favorite (shoves Baldur's Gate aside) :). This game was the ONLY RPG game console or computer-wise that specifically dealt with a setting in the Known World of Mystara. The only other Mystara-related RPG was "Warriors of the Eternal Sun" for the Genesis depicting the Hollow World. This title though was nowhere near as well done as Order of the Griffon was. Finally, I have read a cool entry in the "Vaults of Pandius" sometime before detailing the different vampire bloodlines that exist in the Known World. I would check it out. :) Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:40:13 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? In-Reply-To: <047001c0a878$571af420$a0a61a26@q6s7w2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:41 3/9/01 -0500, David Knott wrote: >From: "Beau Yarbrough" > >> At 18:23 3/7/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >> >I read (in the Cyclopedia I think) that Halflings are distantly related >to >> >Humans. >> >> What a horrible thing to say about halflings. > >There is no clear statement to that effect in the D&D RC. > >Nevertheless, the obvious physical similarities of demi-humans >to humans suggest that they must be distantly related -- but >you can tone down the apparent insult of that statement by >saying that they are DISTANTLY related (vice distantly >RELATED). After all, evolutionary theory suggests that >all forms of life are distantly related, so saying that two >humanoid races are related means little unless you suggest >a very close relationship. Or, alternately, that they're not related at all, nor did anyone evolve from anyone, but simply that the ur-immortals who created them and humans had similar ideas. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:48:39 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Prince Kol's symbol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm working on a little project right now and I need to have a symbol/crest for Prince Kol. I was just going to make one up, but then I remembered that someone designed a lot of Glantrian crests a while back. If Kol's was one of them, then I'd rather just use that. Anyway, if any of you know where I might find such a thing, please let me know. Thanks in advance, John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:44 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Early History of Halflings? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010309084013.007bb780@mail.boilingpoint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >At 01:41 3/9/01 -0500, David Knott wrote: > >From: "Beau Yarbrough" >> > > Or, alternately, that they're not related at all, nor did >anyone evolve >from anyone, but simply that the ur-immortals who created them and humans >had similar ideas. > I think that's something I'm more inclined to go with. Everything doesn't have to be connected to everything else on Mystara. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:03:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Prince Kol's symbol In-Reply-To: <20010309164839.23605.qmail@web1202.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hi all, > >I'm working on a little project right now and I need to have a >symbol/crest for Prince >Kol. I was just going to make one up, but then I remembered that >someone designed a lot >of Glantrian crests a while back. If Kol's was one of them, then >I'd rather just use >that. > >Anyway, if any of you know where I might find such a thing, please >let me know. > >Thanks in advance, > >John Give me the necessary info (I don't have Thar yet) and I could whip one up for you in Adobe Illustrator and send it as a pdf or eps document. On the house, even. lol VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:08:24 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Fwd: D&D Modules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Lads & lasses, here's a list of OD&D stuff I got from http://www.milehighcomics.com today. Nothing I need here, so I thought I'd pass the info along to you. Those are *very* reasonable prices, so get 'em while they're hot! :) A Public Service announcement brought to you by the Viktor Von Hendricks Foundation for the Needy > > > >We have the following Basic D&D Modules. > >Best of Intentions $12.95 in NM >Emirates of Ylaruam $11.00 in FI >Five Coins for a Kingdom $12.95 in NM >Immortal Storm $14.95 in NM >Nightwail - Hollow World $12.95 in NM >Sons of Azca - Hollow World $8.00 in VG >Tall Tales of the Wee Folk - Creature Crucible $11.00 in FI >Top Ballista - Creature Crucible $13.50 in NM >Vengeance of Alphaks $12.00 in NM >Where Chaos Reigns $15.00 in NM > >The NM, FI, VG are grades. A NM Module is still factory sealed or is in >perfect unplayed condition. A FI module is complete with a small amout >of wear. A VG module is complete but has a good deal of wear but not >rips, writting, etc. > -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:57:01 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > brittle. (Does anyone know if "wrought iron" is worked cold, or hot?) Hot but it also has a sulphur content I belive and usually has a black oxide exteror coating. > Anyway, I personally think the reference to "cold iron" is poetic, > much like the term "cold blood", or "three feet of cold iron" -- but > it is just regular iron/steel. Historians believe that it originated > in the early iron age, when iron weapons were so much superior to > bronze that they seemed magical. Iron also has a "blue" color (cold), > unlike bronze which is orange-red (hot). And of course, an iron sword > is going to be cold to the touch, even on a hot day, due to its mass. >> figures as much. > The Ravenloft setting has an influx of cold iron and cold forged weapons You can't really forge something cold. You can shape it but forging requires heat I believe, butI would be interested to know what it says. > I remember PC1 stating that, for OD&D purposes at least, "cold iron" was > simply iron. Any iron-based weapon hitting a faery would be dangerous, > which is why the wee folk (IIRC) tend to use bronze, wooden, or magical > weapons (or made from other metals, like silver). Well that I think would settle it. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:38:46 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > brittle. (Does anyone know if "wrought iron" is worked cold, or hot?) > > Hot but it also has a sulphur content I belive and usually has a black oxide > exteror coating. The alloys produced by early iron workers, and, indeed, all the iron alloys made until about the 14th century AD, would be classified today as wrought iron. They were made by heating a mass of iron ore and charcoal in a forge or furnace having a forced draft. Under this treatment the ore was reduced to the sponge of metallic iron filled with a slag composed of metallic impurities and charcoal ash. This sponge of iron was removed from the furnace while still incandescent and beaten with heavy sledges to drive out the slag and to weld and consolidate the iron. The iron produced under these conditions usually contained about 3 percent of slag particles and 0.1 percent of other impurities. Occasionally this technique of ironmaking produced, by accident, a true steel rather than wrought iron. Iron-workers learned to make steel by heating wrought iron and charcoal in clay boxes for a period of several days. By this process the iron absorbed enough carbon to become a true steel. There ya go ;-). I knew it involved hammering out impurities... Cheers Blast Furnace Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:59:10 +1300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: c_furneaux Subject: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The alloys produced by early iron workers, and, indeed, all the iron alloys > made until about the 14th century AD, would be classified today as wrought > iron. They were made by heating a mass of iron ore and charcoal in a forge > or furnace having a forced draft. Just a thought though, what if cold iron was simplely iron made magically say with an ironform spell. It is possible that this iron would not have undergone any heat. It could be posible too to have a spell to turn iron ore into steel without heating. This would be in a sence "cold-iron" and perhaps the residual magic from the process makes the weapons more potent against some creatures. Just wondering, if one can create large quantities of steel/iron with a spell, then would mineing iron ore be replaced with this method in some parts of Mystara> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:10:27 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Koriszegy Keep-There is a VERY good... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, man, "Shadow Over Mystara" for the Arcade, by CapCom, depicted the KW as well. I DO have the CapCom emulator, but never found SoM ROM. I think happened because SoM was newer than the other CapCom games I found. Their games are much the same - go to the right, kick ass, break barrels, boxes etc and get health, kick more ass... - but THIS game... rocked! You could choose elf, cleric, dwarf... cast spells etc. Great! Contact me, people, if you want more info. Ah, BTW, what console/computer this TurboGrafx16 was? Do you know of any emulator? I WANT THE GAMES YOU MENTIONED! I NEEED THEM! AAAAAAAAAAAH!!! Er... well... please give me more info, man. ;-) "Shoves BG"? Look, the older games, weiht less memory and all the obvious tech paraphernalia, they HAD more story: the old adventures from Level 9 for the C64 and MSX, the earlier "Ultimas"... Hey, I'm talking about the BIG picture, please Torment/Diablo lovers don't flame me! I also play D2 and love it! And I am even planning to buy TSR's Diablo stuff. Do you know it, like it? vini. >This might not be what you are looking for but here it goes...I never quite ran an adventure with Koriszegy Keep in the tabletop gaming sense but I HAVE played there before since an older video game RPG had a major portion of its storyline there :)... The game was called "Order of the Griffon" ,for the TurboGrafx16, and it was a REALLY well done RPG depicting the Karameikan setting quite well. The game map is very similar to the official one as cities such as Specularum (this game was apparently >set pre-WoTI), Kelvin, and Radlebb Keep and their important NPCs make their detailed appearances here. > >I'd hate to give any spoilers (unless anyone wants them) but I can say that the storyline does revolve around the vampire cursed there based upon the information given in GAZ1. The game goes further building the personality of this vampire, his motives, and his connections with other (unnamed in this email) major criminal organizations in Karameikos. > >It was a GREAT game and a personal favorite (shoves Baldur's Gate aside) :). This game was the ONLY RPG game console or computer-wise that specifically dealt with a setting in the Known World of Mystara. The only other Mystara-related RPG was "Warriors of the Eternal Sun" for the Genesis depicting the Hollow World. This title though was nowhere near as well done as Order of the Griffon was. > >Finally, I have read a cool entry in the "Vaults of Pandius" sometime before detailing the different vampire bloodlines that exist in the Known World. I would check it out. :) > >Lancer ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:52:21 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Tzimisce Subject: Re: Koriszegy Keep MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Anybody run an adventure there. There is an excellent material for Koriszegy Keep in the "Vaults of Pandius" homepage. Take a look. See ya! The Druid ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:30:25 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just a thought though, what if cold iron was simplely iron made magically > say with an ironform spell. It is possible that this iron would not have > undergone any heat. It could be posible too to have a spell to turn iron ore > into steel without heating. This would be in a sence "cold-iron" and perhaps > the residual magic from the process makes the weapons more potent against > some creatures. I did actually suspect the very same thing myself... Ironform, fabricate, that sort of thing... Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:35:11 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You can't really forge something cold. You can shape it but forging requires > heat I believe, butI would be interested to know what it says. > Then again considering what another definition of the word forge means, the shop selling "Genuine Forged Cold Iron Weapons" could sell you absolutely anything. >;^)~ I really do have to try this old gag again on a new group of players. Hamlet I, v, 166 Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:32:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Koriszegy Keep-There is a VERY good... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Vinicius R. de Moraes" wrote: > > Ah, BTW, what console/computer this TurboGrafx16 was? Do you know of any > emulator? IIRC, it is another name for the PC Engine. It was the first console to have an (external, I think) CD drive. Unfortunately, the version with the CD drive never spreaded beyond Japan. And yes, there is an emulator. I can't find the name just now, though. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:55:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: A kit for Ylari characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an AD&D kit for followers of the Eternal Truth. (Due to the fact that my copy of the Emirates' Gaz is in Italian, some terms may be translated incorrectly) Preacher of the Eternal Truth ----------------------------- Role: the Preacher is a devout scholar who leads the prayers in a temple of the Eternal Truth. He can be a priest, but also a scholar of philosophy, natural sciences, magic, history or any other branch of knowledge, as long as his studies are compatible with the doctrines of Al Kalim. Requirements: Preachers may belong to any class, and the kit is open to non-classed NPCs. Many Preachers are priests, but bards and wizards are also common. The scholar must be Lawful, and have superior intelligence and wisdom (12 each). An high Charisma score is useful, but not required. Class modifications: due to the need to spend most of their time at a temple, scholarly characters receive one less weapon proficiency slot, and one more for non-weapon proficiencies. Preacher thieves devote most of their skill points to abilities useful for their studies, like Read Languages for historians or Find/Remove Traps and Open Locks for students of mechanics. Pickpocketing is not a common ability, not even for its entertaining value, so Preacher thieves get a -15% penalty to that skill. On the other hand, they are more cultured than other thieves, and receive a +15% bonus to Read Languages skill. Weapon Proficiencies: most common weapons are those traditional of the Ylari people, like the kouglar (dagger). Other weapons acceptable are those which required skill and concentration to use, like bows. Martial arts are practiced by the Dervishes, and can be used by scholars too. Non-Weapon Proficiencies: all Preachers must be literate, and must be able to lead the faithful in their prayers. Therefore, they are required to take the Reading/Writing (Alasiyan) and Ceremony (Al Kalim) proficiencies. Since most of their time as junior preachers is spent debating religious matters with the elders, they receive a free Religion (Eternal Truth) proficiency. Once the character has been accepted by the leaders of his temple (3rd level), he must get the Sage Knowledge proficiency, in a field of his choice. Then, as soon as he gains his next level, he automatically becomes versed in a specific subtopic, as if he had spent another slot on the same area. Sage Knowledge, Reading/Writing, Law, Oratory, Religion and Ceremony are always considered class skills for the Preachers. Equipment: every Preacher must have a copy of the Nameh. They won't usually wear or even possess armor, or other costly items, unless they are useful for their studies. On occasions, the Preacher may prevail upon his temple's funds or possessions, provided that the use he does of them is to further or protect the goals of the Dream of Justice and Honour and the Dream of the Garden in the Desert. Special Benefits: the Preacher is highly respected by all followers of the Eternal Truth, and thus he receives a reaction bonus equal to 1/4 of his current level (rounded down). The Preacher may be called to judge upon matters of faith and religious crimes, including any offence to another follower of the Way of the Scholar, the theft of goods belonging to the community and any attack against a fellow believer. Special Hindrances: the Preacher's duty requires that he remains at his temple. He will leave only on his pilgrimage, or if asked by the lead Preacher of his temple, or by a very high religious authority. The Preacher must strictly follow Al Kalim's word, as written in the Nameh. A Preacher believes that material wealth is a distraction from his studies, so he will not keep money. His earnings are given to the preacher elders, who use the money to support the temple or for charities. Starting wealth: the Preacher receives a copy of the Nameh for free, and 1d4x10 dinars to buy other equipment. He cannot keep more than 1 dinar. The rest is given back to the temple. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:32:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: Koriszegy Keep-There is a VERY good... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Yes, NEC's TurboGrafx16 was definitely one of the more obscure systems from the late 80's early 90's (remember Bonk's Adventure?). Even though I did not like the TurboGrafx16 that much (being overshadowed by the SNES and Genesis), "Order of the Griffon" was the one game from that system that can beat any other (whether that be Phantasy Star or Final Fantasy..). There are a few emulators out there, the one I use is "XPCE." Another one used is "Magic Engine", I believe. Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:27:10 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "David S. Leland" Subject: Mystaran Elves In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not bashing anyone but since 3e and elves have come up again, I just= wanted to get my .02 in on a few issues. Class I believe that most OD&D Mystaran elves, when converted to 3e, are more= suited to the Sorceror class than Wizard. It fits the flavor better IMO. = We know from WotI that elves are inherently magical. All elves in most= areas on the surface use magic. We don't have any description of hordes of= spellbooks. I find it easy to envision elves' "learning" their spells= through ceremonies within the clan rather than by scholarly study. I like= the idea that elves, being inherently magical, have more casting power, but= are not as flexible and adaptable as humans and thus can know fewer spells.= I also find it easy to think of Glantri elves having a very different= culture (much more influenced by humans, to be sure) and following the= Wizard model instead. There's no reason why elves shouldn't be ABLE to= learn Wizardry, but I see it as an exception or special route for them. Special spell lists (a la Alfheim) I like the Alfheim system of a restricted spell list that's somewhat= druidical. It makes sense because elven communities live in harmony with= their natural environment, and work with it rather than with glass beakers= and other wizardly lab equipment. It also makes sense that elves could= abandon that tradition or try and go beyond it and learn Wizardry from= humans to gain access to less "foresty" spells. Just as Alfheim presents spells that only Treekeepers can learn, I think a= Treekeeper prestige class is very appropriate that adds spells to the list= of choices. Casting in Armor From the discussions here, I learned of the 3e team's use of the Still= Spell feat (in place of Scribe Scroll) to help avoid arcane failure, since= elves in OD&D wear armor, fight, and cast spells with impunity. I just= wanted to say that I believe that this is not the ideal choice. I don't= think elves should have the full benefits of Still Spell by nature, and= there's that problem of needing to prepare the spell as higher level. Now= of course it can be kludged to avoid those problems, but an alternative is= one of the various home-grown feats I've seen pop up that reduce your= arcane spell failure chance. I'd say a simple Armored Casting feat that= reduces your failure chance by 10% would work nicely. With this, elves in= the more typical leather armor would have no chance of spell failure, and= the rate with chain or better is significantly improved. And this is= restricted to the matter at hand, not raising issues of selective= application of Still Spell, level hikes, or an ability to cast when bound= in ropes, etc. For spell list ideas, etc., feel free to check out what I'm using IMC for= the Callarii in the Vaults at http://dnd.starflung.com/call3e.html Magus Coeruleus ./ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ \. < David S Leland ~|~ dleland@cogsci.ucsd.edu > | PhD Candidate ~|~ 858-534-9754(lab)/-1128(fax) | < UCSD Cog Sci ~|~ cogsci.ucsd.edu/~dleland > .\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ /. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:28:17 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brad Fonseca Subject: Re: Supporters of Gods and Immortals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I like the system used in "The Primal Order" that was put out by WotC a few years ago. A god is basically impossible for a mortal to kill because they use a power system beyond the scope of mortal magic. The levels of gods are based on whether they've developed spheres of influence and how many planes they control. I found it a rather interesting read. -- Brad:) "It is a pain in the ass waiting around for someone to try to kill you." ---Merlin, son of Corwin, as quoted in Trumps Of Doom Trinixx of Westmarch wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of any sources in Mystara/could anyone provide me > with precise, "official" figures for what number of followers and other > tangible prerequisites etc. (eg, X number of churches/shrines?) an > Immortal or various rankings of gods must have in order to claim X > divine rank? (Ie, How many followers etc. are required to qualify to be > an Immortal, Demi, Lesser, Intermediate, Greater, Overpower?) > > Thanks, > Take it easy all, > -- > Trinixx of Westmarch, > Barrister Extraordinaire of D&D Federal Regulations > > "The Master said, 'Only when the cold season comes is the point brought > home that the pine and the cypress are the last to lose their leaves.'" > -Confucius, _Analects_ IX.28. > > The Hellfire Campaign Rules Interpretation Archive > http://travel.to/TheHellfireCampaign > Celebrating five years+ private legal practice! > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:01:12 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eyal Fleminger Subject: so long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well, I'm leaving the list for a shrot while due to a stint of Reserve service. See you in about three weeks! Bye Eyal _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:55:12 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Supporters of Gods and Immortals In-Reply-To: <3AAAD4AF.B9A11657@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Brad Fonseca wrote: > kill because they use a power system beyond the scope of mortal magic. The Well, that's the same things as Immortals. Immortal Magic is so much more powerful than mortal magic. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:14:19 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In what context did this question arise anyway? For the purpose of determining what equipment a Sidhe can use, it is established that they cannot handle iron or steel in any form. If you are trying to inflict damage on a demon, then the exact definition of cold iron would become more important. It is my understanding that the "cold" in "cold iron" is a relative term -- it is not worked without heat, but it is mostly pure iron (as opposed to steel) that is worked at a lower temperature than steel. "Cold iron" would thus be inferior in strength and durability to steel in much the same way that silver is, although not to the same degree. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:30:37 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know if somebody has pointed it, but I think that the RW tradition for the protection offered by cold iron comes from the belief of iron coming from the heavens (as the very first iron ore which was used in the world came from meteors), thus having a "celestial" connotation. There came a big tradition of blacksmiths being the keepers of secrets, sometimes good, sometimes bad. This celestial link would prove the metal powerful against creatures of the land (sidhe) and of the netherworld (demons). Being steel an iron-carbon alloy, it would be mixed with an earthly element, thus losing some of its purity and supernatural power. In game terms, I rule that the regular weapons PCs use are not cold iron (unless they come from a HW culture which belongs to the Iron Age prior to "steel forged" times), so having a weapon vs. demons will require having a special one, just as having a silver weapon for other creatures (with the difference that iron is much cheaper). Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:59:07 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brad Fonseca Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Calvin wrote: > > > Except that they already have their own radience producing device, the CoM (which is > either completed or near to completion depending upon what timeline you follow...). > I looked at the Mystara acronym list on the Vaults of Pandius and couldn't find a definition of the "CoM" Please excuse my ignorance but what is this? -- Brad:) "It is a pain in the ass waiting around for someone to try to kill you." ---Merlin, son of Corwin, as quoted in Trumps Of Doom ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:12:51 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Alphatian Magic- 3rd edition style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brad Fonseca wrote: > John Calvin wrote: > > > > Except that they already have their own radience producing device, = the CoM (which is > > either completed or near to completion depending upon what timeline = you follow...). > > >=20 > I looked at the Mystara acronym list on the Vaults of Pandius and = couldn't find a > definition of the "CoM" Please excuse my ignorance but what is this? CoM is usually Champions of Mystara. I suppose in this case, it should = have been CoS - Chamber of Spheres. That is the Shadow Elf version of = the NoS AFAIK. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:52:15 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brad Fonseca Subject: Re: I just thought I'd get this off my chest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it that good? What's it about? -- Brad:) "It is a pain in the ass waiting around for someone to try to kill you." ---Merlin, son of Corwin, as quoted in Trumps Of Doom ramhog wrote: > I hate everyone who owns a copy of Night's Dark Terror. > > And I don't much care for anyone who got to play it. > > VVH > -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:31:24 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: I just thought I'd get this off my chest In-Reply-To: <3AABE57F.600F97E1@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Is it that good? Apparently. >What's it about? I have no idea aside from involving Karameikos, Hutakaans, Traldar and being afraid of the dark (!). VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:42:33 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: I just thought I'd get this off my chest (B10 spoiler) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad Fonseca wrote: > > > I hate everyone who owns a copy of Night's Dark Terror. > > Is it that good? Definitely! > What's it about? SPOILER It's a long adventure placed in north-eastern Karameikos. The characters start helping a Traladaran family in defending their outpost from a goblin raid, which turns out to have been organized by the Iron Ring. The adventure develops in a series of run-ins between the good party (PCs) and the evil one, up to a final confrontation in the lost valley of Hutaaka, with the interference of a monstrous being to spice up the climatic fight. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:21:48 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Shadows over mystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Denis sent me this in private. Please, if you want to flame someone, flame ME, not him. (read below) vini. ______________________ "Denis T." wrote: > > Hi! > Could you kindly give me some information about the arcade game of Shadows > over Mystara? I've only found it on the arcades. > I've already got "Tower of doom"; Is it D&D? What is it like? Please describe the levels, monstres. > is the emulator to run SOM the same (as Final burn, or Mame)? It is *supposed to*, but I never found SoM ROMs: Battle Axe, yes, Punisher, yes... but SoM, never. :-( > If not, could you tell me where can I > find That emulator, possibly for Macintosh? Finally, where can I find the > rom od "Shadows over Mystara"? :-( :-( :-( > Please, let me know!!! Hope we'll find it. > Thanks a lot! > Denis If anyone has got the ROM, please contact me! Thanks a lot. vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:39:16 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Cold Iron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Started off with the properties of red steel - which is listed as counting as cold iron when striking opponents with that vulnerability - and then digressed, as threads so often do :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Knott To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Cold Iron > In what context did this question arise anyway? For the purpose > of determining what equipment a Sidhe can use, it is established > that they cannot handle iron or steel in any form. If you are > trying to inflict damage on a demon, then the exact definition > of cold iron would become more important. > > It is my understanding that the "cold" in "cold iron" is a relative > term -- it is not worked without heat, but it is mostly pure iron > (as opposed to steel) that is worked at a lower temperature > than steel. "Cold iron" would thus be inferior in strength and > durability to steel in much the same way that silver is, although > not to the same degree. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:27:13 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Americancyco Subject: Mystara stuff for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the following items for sale. Mark of Amber w/ CD Wraith of the Immortals Glantri w. CD Karameikos w/ CD Night of the Vampire w/ CD Hail the Heros w/ CD Red Steel:Savage Baronies w/ CD Red Steel w/ CD All are in perfect condition. Anyone interested in any of these please e-mail me privately so not to take up room on this list. Americancyco@Yahoo.com ===== Evil is as humans do Bible prophecy comes true in the desert sands Beware of THEM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:31:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Mystara stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <20010312002713.14247.qmail@web1406.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I have the following items for sale. > >Mark of Amber w/ CD > >Wraith of the Immortals > >Glantri w. CD > >Karameikos w/ CD > >Night of the Vampire w/ CD > >Hail the Heros w/ CD > >Red Steel:Savage Baronies w/ CD > >Red Steel w/ CD > >All are in perfect condition. > Kids, what important lesson can we all learn from this very meaningful post? (hee hee) VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:32:27 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Mystara stuff for sale In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Kids, what important lesson can we all learn from this very meaningful post? > You know, I occurred to me only seconds after I sent this what an assholish thing that was I did. Sorry about that. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:45:49 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Correct Thyatian Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Fri, 02 March 2001, ramhog wrote: [Snip] > PS- For any of you who might think I'm some gurdy Alphatian sympathizer... > > LONG LIVE THYATIS! > DEATH TO THE ENEMIES OF THE EMPIRE! > VAE VICTUS, SUCKERS! > -- > > ******************************************************************** I agree... but beware: correct Thyatian is "VAE VICTIS" (="Bad for you, loosers!", kindly translated to benefit Alphatians and other iliterates...): we won't let THEM mock US for a mere spelling mistake, shall we? AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:07:05 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Correct Thyatian In-Reply-To: <20010312074549.1998.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >I agree... but beware: correct Thyatian is "VAE VICTIS" (="Bad for >you, loosers!", kindly translated to benefit Alphatians and other >iliterates...): we won't let THEM mock US for a mere spelling >mistake, shall we? > Oops! Mea culpa. Heh heh, VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:50:10 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Americancyco Subject: Mystara Items for Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just thought I'd offer the items to fellow Mystara fans first, but since people seem to have a problem with this. If anyone is interested in any of these items I listed before, just go to E-bay now. I thought I remember people talking about peope listing their wants and have lists of Mystara stuff. I came across this stuff just last week and realized I didn't want it. I figured I'd give my fellow Mystara fans firs shot. Obviously I did somehting wrong sorry. ===== Evil is as humans do Bible prophecy comes true in the desert sands Beware of THEM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:17:38 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Elven spellcasters. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > >> > Just a though on why elves don't have spellbooks. > Elves being *naturally magical* *don't read magic in the > same way as humans do* and thus don't have to have a > spellbook but can use others. Elf PC's generally learn > their magic from humans, which encorages the idea that > they may be able to read others spellbooks, and > memorize spells from it with the help of the author > who is needed only to point out the idiosincracies of > his own magic writing style. Once a spell from a given > book has been memorized once the elf can go so again > without the mage's assistance > << > > This is also another 3E idea. It's called the Sorcerer. No it's not. The key statments I have put between astrixes. If a wizard reads magic in a given way but someone else reads it in a different way that does not make them a sorcerer, but something other (or more) then a wizard. *IF* there are only two options for magic, wizard or sorcerer, then a non-wizard magic user is a sorcerer, however what I was saying was to have *another* way. An optional rule if you will to explain the OD&D class better. << Actually, it strikes me as being very close to the definition of a sorcerer in many ways. 3E does allow for a sorcerer to "learn" their spells through normal means (ie by reading a spell book). The only difference is that once a sorcerer "learns" a spell, they never need to study that spellbook again. The restriction is that a sorcerer can only "learn" a restricted number of spells in this manner, as opposed to a wizard who can have any number of spells written down somewhere and can study the ones that they think they might need at any particular moment. >> A Mystaran elf racial ability if you will. Elves have the ability to read magic in a different way from other races spellcasters. Humans see the ink on the page. Elves, because they are magical themselves, see the ink *and* the magic it holds that is linked to it. << Ok, that's fine. But this description doesn't strike me as making any kind of distinction away from the wizard class. >> It still requires intelegence to read and cast, and the same requirements as a wizard, just that because they are more in touch with magical things they can read and understand things that a non-elf could not see. This is why elven adventurers usually have magic and no spellbooks. Being adventures they do not spend their time studying and writing magic, but when they see the inside of a spellbook thay are intregued as they can see more about it then just writing. With some assistance from a mage they can easily comprehend what it is does and how it works. They therefore tend to memorize spells, because they can. << OK, once again, this strikes me as the description for a sorcerer. They see a spell, are able to memorize it, and can retain it for use later on (without need for a spellbook and for re-memorizing spells every day). What is the difference between that, and a sorcerer? >> Most elves are thus fighters but also will have access to a clan spellbook where they can memorize some basic spells. Some elf clans however do tend to favour the arcane arts and do study them, but most elves personally do not choose this. << I actually like this idea. There is one technical problem that it creates for me and this is: If the elves all study from a single source (a clan spellbook or whatever), then does that mean that adventuring elves wouldn't be able to cast magic because they no longer have access to this clan book? If the answer is yes, then that's fine IYC, but doesn't strike me as being very Mystaran in flavor. If the answer is no, elves will retain what they have learned after studying the spellbook, then that strikes me as being the definition of a sorcerer. >> It's kinda funny really. I believe in keeping consistant with canon as much as possible as it is the description of the "world" and to do this adding new rules or modifying old ones does not seem so bad, but it appears that to others it seems that it is not right to have something that isn't in the rules. Rules IMO should be built around the reality not the reality built around the rules. Look to the reason/s the rule/s exists and then modify them. It does seem silly to me saying elves magic use makes them fit well as sorcerers more then wizards so thats what they are, and then say because sorcerers rely on charisma elves now tend to have good charisma when you could just say that in Mystara sorcerers rely on intelegence and elves are inate sorcerers with this spell list and this amount of spells. Why can't you just write a new class, and make it elf specific, and base it on both spell casting classes? << Ahhh...now I understand. You are hesitant to shift from Int heavy elves to Cha heavy elves. Well, I guess I never thought of it that way. It's a valid point, and your suggested solution of creating another Int based, sorcerer-like class is certainly workable. I guess I just don't have a problem with making this switch because I have always thought of elves being more charasmatic than humans (if perhaps somewhat alien). This probably stems from reading of LotR. I always got the sense that Mystaran elves were modeled after those elves, so switching elves to the sorcerer class (for me at least) is more like correcting a mechanics problem of OD&D. Having said that, let me also say that I don't advocate that all elves should be sorcerers. I would take elves on a clan by clan basis. Some clans should have a preferred class of Wizard (like the Longrunners), others should have a preferred class of Druid (perhaps Faedil ) or others from the Sylvan realm. I would give most of them however, the preferred class of sorcerer. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:02:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: Koriszegy Keep Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Terry J Deibler Jr asked: >Anybody run an adventure there. Try this adventure by Victor Caminha on my website: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/koryzegy.html it deals with Koryzegy's past and dwellers and has got a nice adventure scenario in the end. hope it helps DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:06:21 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Tower of Doom emulator & roms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just in case anyone's interested, here's the real roms and emulator to play D&D Tower of Doom (1st episode) ON YOUR PC! Ok, first download Finalburn from: http://www.finalburn.com/ and the codes from: http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/ and the roms from: http://www.anigames.it Then put the roms & codes in the emulator's directory WITHOUT UNZIPPING THEM. Start the emulator and Load the first TOwer of Doom listed... and then have fun! :) Byez! DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:56:19 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: DQ1 The Shattered Statue Has anyone played this adventure? Is it compatible with Mystara? Is it worth buying? Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:01:34 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't see the code on here... > >and the codes from: >http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:23:23 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: DQ1 The Shattered Statue In-Reply-To: <200103121856.NAA29869@freenet10.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Has anyone played this adventure? Is it compatible with Mystara? Is it >worth buying? > >Geoff The Shattered Statue was a "split" module in that it was useable for both AD&D and DragonQuest. As an adventure, it was pretty standard stuff- two rival colleges of magic (at the time, a concept unique to DQ) in contention over a giant golem, iirc. For AD&D fans it introduced some new ideas concerning magic. For DQ fans, it was a bit of a sloppy module that couldn't quite live up to the quality of it's SPI predecessors. The only really interesting elements were seeing AD&D and DQ stats side by side to see how they compared (according to author Paul Jaquays) and that it introduced some previously unpublished DQ material, most of which would later end up in TSR's thin-blooded 3rd edition. (DragonQuest was originally published by SPI. TSR bought out the company and ultimately used the name for, I believe, an introductory D&D set.). It's not anymore compatible with Mystara than any other generic AD&D modules. It's main interest is to DragonQuest fans. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:05:55 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get this off my chest Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 B10 Night's Dark Terror is (IMHO) the best adventure module ever written: it's for players between Basic and Expert level, and it deals with exploring ancient Karameikos (Traldar ruins), and reaching the Lost Valley of Hutaaka in the northern mountains while avoiding/beating various different Goblin tribes, the Iron Ring, the Gnolls, and interacting with many different interesting NPCs. It will become an extraordinary supplement for Gaz.1 Karameikos too, in your further campaigns. Whatever you pay for it, it's well paid. Really. Federico (BTW: you hate me too, correct?) ___________________________________________ Il Sun, 11 March 2001, ramhog ha scritto: > > >Is it that good? > > Apparently. > > > >What's it about? > > I have no idea aside from involving Karameikos, Hutakaans, Traldar > and being afraid of the dark (!). > > > VVH > > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:56:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get this off my chest In-Reply-To: <20010313100555.24957.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >It will become an extraordinary supplement for Gaz.1 Karameikos too, >in your further campaigns. >Whatever you pay for it, it's well paid. Really. > >Federico > >(BTW: you hate me too, correct?) No, I don't hate you, Federico- but if I did, I'd have to hate myself, too, as I will (finally!) be getting a copy of it! VVH (who doesn't really hate anybody) -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:00:32 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Master of the Desert Nomads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I found about 4 or 5 copies of this yesterday for $5.00 each ($4.95 to be precise) in various conditions, none of them "mint". Keep in mind, I didn't buy them, but if anyone is interested, let me know and we can work out an arrangement. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:20:04 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Mystara Items for Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure who has the problem. I thought it was a good idea, even though I'm not interested in of those particular items (I'm an OD&D die hard). I thought VVH was making a joke, myself. Is posting stuff like this against the MML code? We just had a thread about trading items and it seemed to be agood idea. So, just to clear this up, is it cool to do this, or not? Dan BTW, been scoring big on eBay lately! (made a post auction deal for a mint X11, replaced a mysteriously vanished B5, and replaced an X4 that has seen much better days) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Americancyco" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] Mystara Items for Sale > I just thought I'd offer the items to fellow Mystara > fans first, but since people seem to have a problem > with this. If anyone is interested in any of these > items I listed before, just go to E-bay now. > > I thought I remember people talking about peope > listing their wants and have lists of Mystara stuff. > I came across this stuff just last week and realized I > didn't want it. I figured I'd give my fellow Mystara > fans firs shot. Obviously I did somehting wrong sorry. > > ===== > Evil is as humans do > Bible prophecy comes true in the desert sands > Beware of THEM > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:26:04 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Master of the Desert Nomads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'll be happy to know where you found them thibault >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:00:32 -0600 >De: ramhog >Sujet: =5BMYSTARA=5D Master of the Desert Nomads >A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >I found about 4 or 5 copies of this yesterday for =245.00 each (=244.95 >to be precise) in various conditions, none of them =22mint=22. Keep in >mind, I didn't buy them, but if anyone is interested, let me know and >we can work out an arrangement. > > >VVH >-- > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177 homepage www.mystara.fr.st join me at thibsylv=40club-internet.fr or at clenarius=40hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:07:53 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are working on getting past the CAPCOM protection on the ROM. I've been keeping tabs on their progress, they have managed to get a couple of other ROMs playable, but as far as I can see Tower of Doom hasn't been attended to yet.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Angelo Bertolli To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Tower of Doom emulator & roms > I don't see the code on here... > > > > >and the codes from: > >http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:42:26 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob wrote: > They are working on getting past the CAPCOM protection on the ROM. >=20 > I've been keeping tabs on their progress, they have managed to get a = couple > of other ROMs playable, but as far as I can see Tower of Doom hasn't = been > attended to yet.... I just played it today. It works just fine. And is quite fun too. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:19:50 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: VS: [MYSTARA] Trading Post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saarela Sami wrote: > >Unfortunately there still is the same message in the item description saying: > This product cannot be currently shipped TO the following countries: Aruba, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Bulgaria Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic Estonia, Finland, Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden Switzerland, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan > > >I send WotC an e-mail couple of days ago and they said that they were looking in to the matter and that they'll report if/when the situation changes in their mailing list (which I'm also a part of). I'll forward the info here as soon as I'll hear something from WotC. > Oh, how funny. That's just what I was told when I asked about the samme matter when WOTC made its 'Last Call' for old OD&D/AD&D stuff before they destroyed it all... That was around April or May last year! Glad to see WOTC are still taking this, and thereby their customers, so seriously :( - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:08:03 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: I want it!!! And I'm sorry. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't gete the other guy's joke. I have already sent u a mstelling what I want. My C card is sizzling, man!!! :-) Mystara!!! vini. >I just thought I'd offer the items to fellow Mystara >fans first, but since people seem to have a problem >with this. If anyone is interested in any of these >items I listed before, just go to E-bay now. > >I thought I remember people talking about peope >listing their wants and have lists of Mystara stuff. >I came across this stuff just last week and realized I >didn't want it. I figured I'd give my fellow Mystara >fans firs shot. Obviously I did somehting wrong sorry. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:50:27 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/2001 5:43:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, scythe@WANADOO.DK writes: > I just played it today. It works just fine. And is quite fun too. > For those of us ROM illeterate, what are you two talking about? ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:46:01 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How'd you get it to work? I couldn't get it to work at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Skytte Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 2:43 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Tower of Doom emulator & roms Rob wrote: > They are working on getting past the CAPCOM protection on the ROM. > =20 > I've been keeping tabs on their progress, they have managed to get a co= uple > of other ROMs playable, but as far as I can see Tower of Doom hasn't be= en > attended to yet.... I just played it today. It works just fine. And is quite fun too. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.
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******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:21:05 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Master of the Desert Nomads In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >i'll be happy to know where you found them > >thibault I found them in a used bookstore. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:01:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: question to all US Mystara fans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable here is a question to all the US mystara fans how can a non US resident open a bank account in US dollars in a US bank = you understand that this could be a good way for non US to be able to purc= hase old TSR stuff on Ebay or elsewhere... thanks in advance thib >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:21:05 -0600 >De: ramhog >Sujet: Re: =5BMYSTARA=5D Master of the Desert Nomads >A: MYSTARA-L=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >>i'll be happy to know where you found them >> >>thibault > > >I found them in a used bookstore. > > >VVH > >-- > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV=40ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177 homepage www.mystara.fr.st join me at thibsylv=40club-internet.fr or at clenarius=40hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:17:56 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: question to all US Mystara fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've bought some stuff on ebay and I don't know if having an US dollar account pays for it!! Really, most ebay American sellers just say if they want to ship worldwide or just to US and Canada, it does not depend on the payment method. As for ccards, they are good worldwide, but ebay uses the paypal service to guarantee quality and safety of payment, and that service is only available for US residents, whatever your account is... Sincerely, unless you're buying something like four products a month in different shippings, using an international money order service like WUnion or Moneygramm is not so bad. An account in US$ has the advantage of freeing you from wavering exchange rates and fees (you know, until 2002 we all EU members have this additional tax in euro-handling when changing to foreign currency), but I don't know if, with the upkeep costs of an account, it would pay for it unless unless you're buying a LOT of stuff... You should probably check those internet banks, but I've never tried. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:23:38 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: NPC levels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The party just fought off a shipful of pirates, and had a pretty easy time of it. Everyone had a great time so I'm not unhappy, but I'm wondering about what sort of levels are appropriate for NPC fighters. I was using 1st level fighters for the bulk of the pirate horde, but got to thinking that maybe 3rd level would be more appropriate. My reasoning: an proper "knight" is at least 9th level; a baron ought to have a dozen such landed knights at his command, each with a manor. Likewise, a graduate of the school of wizardry is 9th level. Finally, Mystara abounds with really high level characters -- few important people are "only" 9th level. The old notion that "everyone is normal or 1st level except the PCs" doesn't seem to hold on Mystara. What do you think? Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:26:51 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Saarela Sami Subject: VS: [MYSTARA] question to all US Mystara fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Actually PayPal does have an international program and it's available in about two dozen countries. These don't include Finland though. :-( And eBay also widely employs the excellent Billpoint payments that are available worldwide with a ccard. - Sami > ---------- > L�hett�j�: Andr�s Piquer Otero[SMTP:anpro@ACCESOCERO.ES] > Vastaa: Mystara > L�hetetty: 14. maaliskuuta 2001 10:17 > Vastaanottaja: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Aihe: Re: [MYSTARA] question to all US Mystara fans > > I've bought some stuff on ebay and I don't know if having an US dollar > account pays for it!! Really, most ebay American sellers just say if they > want to ship worldwide or just to US and Canada, it does not depend on the > payment method. As for ccards, they are good worldwide, but ebay uses the > paypal service to guarantee quality and safety of payment, and that > service > is only available for US residents, whatever your account is... Sincerely, > unless you're buying something like four products a month in different > shippings, using an international money order service like WUnion or > Moneygramm is not so bad. An account in US$ has the advantage of freeing > you > from wavering exchange rates and fees (you know, until 2002 we all EU > members have this additional tax in euro-handling when changing to foreign > currency), but I don't know if, with the upkeep costs of an account, it > would pay for it unless unless you're buying a LOT of stuff... You should > probably check those internet banks, but I've never tried. > > Andr�s > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:42:42 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: NPC levels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > > My reasoning: an proper "knight" is at least 9th level; a baron ought > to have a dozen such landed knights at his command, each with a > manor. Likewise, a graduate of the school of wizardry is 9th level. > Finally, Mystara abounds with really high level characters -- few > important people are "only" 9th level. The old notion that "everyone > is normal or 1st level except the PCs" doesn't seem to hold on > Mystara. What do you think? I think it depends on the gazetteer you are reading ;) If you go by the Karameikos Gaz, NPCs are really low level. For example, there are only a couple of landed knights, and 9th level wizards are rare at best. The standard soldier is a 1st level fighter, and no one except the generals would be as high as 9th level. The heads of two of the major churches are 9th and 11th level, etc. Then, other gazetteers have a totally different balance (or no balance at all, depending on your POW). Some few gazetteers are nearly stats-free (Ylaruam, f.e.). In the end, its your choice... -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:01:23 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rod G Subject: Re: NPC levels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > The party just fought off a shipful of pirates, and had a pretty easy > time of it. Everyone had a great time so I'm not unhappy, but I'm > wondering about what sort of levels are appropriate for NPC fighters. > I was using 1st level fighters for the bulk of the pirate horde, but > got to thinking that maybe 3rd level would be more appropriate. > > My reasoning: an proper "knight" is at least 9th level; a baron ought > to have a dozen such landed knights at his command, each with a > manor. Likewise, a graduate of the school of wizardry is 9th level. > Finally, Mystara abounds with really high level characters -- few > important people are "only" 9th level. The old notion that "everyone > is normal or 1st level except the PCs" doesn't seem to hold on > Mystara. What do you think? > > Mike NPC levels should be proportional to PC level and eventually should be proportional on how much an NPC is old, which kind role has in the story and how the players play Rod _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:19:21 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Glenn Butcher Subject: Re: NPC levels In-Reply-To: ; from gm@DSL-ONLY.NET on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:23:38AM +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:23:38AM +0000, Mike Harvey wrote: [snip] > got to thinking that maybe 3rd level would be more appropriate. > > My reasoning: an proper "knight" is at least 9th level; a baron ought > to have a dozen such landed knights at his command, each with a > manor. Likewise, a graduate of the school of wizardry is 9th level. > Finally, Mystara abounds with really high level characters -- few > important people are "only" 9th level. The old notion that "everyone > is normal or 1st level except the PCs" doesn't seem to hold on > Mystara. What do you think? (All IMC of course) I normally make 1st level characters the equivalent of fresh-out-of-school. 2nd level is the average level, while 3rd or 4th are veterns. Anything higher than that requires a degree of "get up and go", and is unusual. I'm in the process of rewriting my payscales list, which rates skill versus pay, with the expected skill level at each rating. I'll post it when I've finished. -- knight@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au | If you were blowing things up, what you glennb@ichr.uwa.edu.au | rather use: two high levels or 1,024 http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~knight/ | 1st levels? - Seymour Cray on parallel | adventuring ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:09:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Master's Pawn wrote: > For those of us ROM illeterate, what are you two talking about? Sure thing. A ROM is basically a copy of the contents of a game = cartridge for a computer system other than the pc (or whatever you're = using). To run a ROM, you need an emulator, that is a program that = emulates the function of the given computer system. Of course having = ROMs of games that you do not already own, is illegal and a violation of = copyright, which is why you are required to delete them within 24 hours = of obtaining them. That's the only disclaimer I get wherever I go on the = net. Tower of Doom was an action game, you could find around arcade halls = some years ago. It involved four characters (Elf, Dwarf, Cleric, and = Fighter) going on small quests around Darokin, at first beating up = kobolds and gnolls, later going up against more dangerous D&D monsters, = though no Mystara specific ones, IIRC. The cute part was that the Cleric = had access to spells such as Sticks to Snakes and Hold Person, and the = Elf had some M-U spells. You went up in level along the way, gained more = hp and new spells, and it was quite enjoyable. Now, somebody has written a program (Final Burn) that emulates the cps2 = system; that is the arcade cartridge system running the game. Also a ROM = showed up for Tower of Doom, so that now you can get the joys of the = first Mystara arcade game in the comforts of your own home. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:42:51 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who know your arcade games, its a clone of Golden Axe basically. Golden Axe but D&D :-) Its a cool game. Set in Darokin, with the evil lich Deimos at the end. As for specific Mystaran beasties in there - there are owlbears and shadow elves at the very least! > For those of us ROM illeterate, what are you two talking about? Sure thing. A ROM is basically a copy of the contents of a game cartridge for a computer system other than the pc (or whatever you're using). To run a ROM, you need an emulator, that is a program that emulates the function of the given computer system. Of course having ROMs of games that you do not already own, is illegal and a violation of copyright, which is why you are required to delete them within 24 hours of obtaining them. That's the only disclaimer I get wherever I go on the net. Tower of Doom was an action game, you could find around arcade halls some years ago. It involved four characters (Elf, Dwarf, Cleric, and Fighter) going on small quests around Darokin, at first beating up kobolds and gnolls, later going up against more dangerous D&D monsters, though no Mystara specific ones, IIRC. The cute part was that the Cleric had access to spells such as Sticks to Snakes and Hold Person, and the Elf had some M-U spells. You went up in level along the way, gained more hp and new spells, and it was quite enjoyable. Now, somebody has written a program (Final Burn) that emulates the cps2 system; that is the arcade cartridge system running the game. Also a ROM showed up for Tower of Doom, so that now you can get the joys of the first Mystara arcade game in the comforts of your own home. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:43:35 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Tower of Doom emulator & roms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent then! Didn't know about the anigames link. Downloading now for a trip down memory lane :-) > They are working on getting past the CAPCOM protection on the ROM. > > I've been keeping tabs on their progress, they have managed to get a couple > of other ROMs playable, but as far as I can see Tower of Doom hasn't been > attended to yet.... I just played it today. It works just fine. And is quite fun too. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:30:06 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kevin Powers Subject: Swords And Sorcery Studios MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have noticed that some seemingly high-quality products have been produced by a subdivision of White Wolf (a company whose earlier products I have found to be crude vulgarizations of the concept of role-playing games) for the d20 system that 3E is the standard for. Question is, has anyone bought either of the hardcovers ("Creature Collection" and "Relics And Rituals"), and are they any good? Are they impossible to use with Mystara? I have found Unearthed Arcana to be immensely useful in adding details and colour to Mystara, and figured that these books might do the same, though I would appreciate the opinions of anyone who has bought/used them. Thanks. Kevin ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:33:38 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kevin Powers Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT As a follow-up to my previous post, does anyone have/use the new 3E Psionics book? For all the publicity that TSR is giving it, I can't help but worry that it's going to be way under par. If anyone knows anything about it, particularly whether it is useful in Mystara (i.e. can these rules be integrated with AC 1000 Alphatia or post-Wrath Savage Coast or would it be too darn tough to manage) then I would be most grateful to hear your opinion. Thanks. Kevin ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:31:30 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Swords And Sorcery Studios In-Reply-To: <3AAF9C8E.4303D76@student.umass.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Kevin Powers wrote: > I have found Unearthed Arcana to be immensely useful in adding details > and colour to Mystara, and figured that these books might do the same, > though I would appreciate the opinions of anyone who has bought/used > them. The Relics and Rituals book is quite nice for neat magic items and a few interesting prestige classes. However, I have to warn you, the 'new book' smell from all of S&S Studios' books is a _bit_ overpowering. :) Or maybe I'm the only person to notice! Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:41:53 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: <3AAF9D62.BF5C71D8@student.umass.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Kevin Powers wrote: > As a follow-up to my previous post, does anyone have/use the new 3E > Psionics book? For all the publicity that TSR is giving it, I can't > help but worry that it's going to be way under par. If anyone knows > anything about it, particularly whether it is useful in Mystara (i.e. > can these rules be integrated with AC 1000 Alphatia or post-Wrath Savage > Coast or would it be too darn tough to manage) then I would be most > grateful to hear your opinion. I just bought the book on a whim. I'm not a big fan of D&D Psionics, in fact, I used to HATE it especially because it seemed so hacked together and game breaking. However, the new D&D Psionics book is actually quite good. They took the core ideas of psionics and used them in interesting ways. The first idea that I liked is that by default, psionics and Magic are transparent. That means that they interact - dispel magic works just as well on psionics, and vice versa. That makes Psionics and magic really just two different expressions of the same concept. I like that. Including Psionics, the ways for mortals to get magic are: 1) Being given it by a deity (Paladins and Clerics) 2) Study (Wizards) 3) Born with a natural talent (Sorcerers/Bards) 4) Monk-like devotion one's mind (Psionicists) Psionics are much more balanced in 3e. There are 2 psionics classes that can be multiclassed in (Psion and Psychic warrior), and the overall feel is better than 1e or 2e. As for using them on Mystara, since the default thought is that psionicists are just another type of Wizard/Sorcerer class, they shouldn't break the setting. I'm not saying they should be common, but I wouldn't mind small enclaves of mind-monks in places like Alphatia, or Sind. Psionics already exist on the Savage Coast, anyway. Before, IMC, I would have ignored the idea of Psionics. With the new 3e book, I can actually get into them. (And not only that, but I finally have a way to get modular spellcasting to work, using the Psionics power point system!) Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:03:21 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Swords And Sorcery Studios In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:31 3/14/01 -0500, SteelAngel wrote: >The Relics and Rituals book is quite nice for neat magic items and a few >interesting prestige classes. > >However, I have to warn you, the 'new book' smell from all of S&S Studios' >books is a _bit_ overpowering. :) Or maybe I'm the only person to notice! You're not. I had to leave my copy of "Hunter: The Reckoning" open on the balcony overnight to get rid of it. I think they're using some sort of nasty glue. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:42:36 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > by default, psionics and Magic are transparent. That > means that they interact - dispel magic works just as well on psionics, > and vice versa. That makes Psionics and magic really just two different > expressions of the same concept. *sigh* Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. Truly, 3E marks the end of my D&D days.... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:54:10 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: <3AAF9D62.BF5C71D8@student.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 AM 3/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >As a follow-up to my previous post, does anyone have/use the new 3E >Psionics book? For all the publicity that TSR is giving it, I can't >help but worry that it's going to be way under par. If anyone knows >anything about it, particularly whether it is useful in Mystara (i.e. >can these rules be integrated with AC 1000 Alphatia or post-Wrath Savage >Coast or would it be too darn tough to manage) then I would be most >grateful to hear your opinion. Bought it last week, though I've yet to completely review the entire thing. So far it looks pretty good, though, and the psionics rules seem to fit very well into the 3E mechanic- better than any previous version of the psionics rules I've seen yet. The Psion "Seer" class (a Psion who specializes in Clairsentient psionics) would seem to be a very appropriate class for Yavdlom characters- I could see many of them taking at least one level or two in it. Since 3E goes by the general rule that "Psionics and Magic are the Same" (ie, they can affect one another), the new psionics rules aren't (from what I can discern) unbalancing. I'd have liked to have seen some more psionic powers, probably, but its easy enough to borrow from the Magic lists (or vice versa, if creating new spells). I'll try and give a more detailed (and Mystara oriented) review later in the week. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:52:41 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: <002f01c0acae$29845800$9a01a8c0@rob> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 17:42 3/14/01 -0000, Rob wrote: >> by default, psionics and Magic are transparent. That >> means that they interact - dispel magic works just as well on psionics, >> and vice versa. That makes Psionics and magic really just two different >> expressions of the same concept. > >*sigh* > >Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something >different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. > >Truly, 3E marks the end of my D&D days.... You may have been outvoted on this. I never used psionics after a few disastrous 1E experiments, precisely BECAUSE it was the munchkin uberpower. "Oh, that archmage thinks he's bad, huh? Well, he has no defense against my psionic powers! BWAH HA HA HA HA!" That, to me, was boring. It was a crude insert into a game that had no accomodation for it. Not only did the game give high level powers to any character, but it also failed to build any checks or balances into the game, as presumably all the clerics and magic-users were blissfully unaware of this uber-munchkin force abroad in the land. The 3E psionics book, incidentally, discusses NOT making psionics another form of magical energy (which I guess is not really magical energy, but simply energy at this point) and how to do that in your own campaign. You can play it your way, and now I can play it mine. 3E does a better job of accomodating all styles of play than previous versions, IMO. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:56:31 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Swords And Sorcery Studios In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:31 AM 3/14/01 -0500, you wrote: > >The Relics and Rituals book is quite nice for neat magic items and a few >interesting prestige classes. There's one Prestige class in there that looks awfully similar to what a prestige class of the Secret Craft of Necromancy (from Glantri) might look like. I think the Prestige classes for the magic users are a bit overpowering, though, giving +1 level of spellcasting with each level (I have the same thought about the Loremaster PC from the DMG). It makes it almost ludicrous to continue on as a single-classed Wizard or Sorceror. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:55:46 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? >> by default, psionics and Magic are transparent. ... >*sigh* > >Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something >different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. > >Truly, 3E marks the end of my D&D days.... Keywords used "by default". There are optional rules available in the book for converting the psionics to a "Psionics are Different" model, if you don't mind the added complexity it brings. I know I actually intend on using the Psionics are Different model for a home-brewed setting I have. Probably will use the Psionics are Similar model for other settings though. Eric Anondson (There is always an option, you just need to find it) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:35:56 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: <002f01c0acae$29845800$9a01a8c0@rob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rob wrote: > Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something > different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. Ahh, you see, there is another option... 3e is very open like that. The other option (magic and psionics are different) is quite well laid out on a whole page by itself. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:45:12 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You may have been outvoted on this. Oh, I know that. But democracy and gaming are not the same thing. Everyone who likes it - Game On, I say. The thought that everyone else likes it and I don't doesn't do me any good though :-) Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:45:49 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Rob Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rob wrote: > > > Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something > > different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. > > Ahh, you see, there is another option... 3e is very open like that. The > other option (magic and psionics are different) is quite well laid out on > a whole page by itself. I am reassured now :-) Cheers Rob ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:09:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob wrote: > > Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something > different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. Me, I couldn't even stand the PO version... I was lucky I could get a copy of the Complete Psionics Handbook :) > Truly, 3E marks the end of my D&D days.... Bah, I'll just go on with 2e: at least, there's an advantage in that the rule set is fixed. And WotC does not seem to be going to publish serious campaign settings for 3e, so I don't need it even for conversions... -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:37:13 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: question to all US Mystara fans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Take a look at paypal if you're going to do online stuff www.paypal.com I don't know if they'll take funds from France or wherever. But also, I'd look into using VISA or other credit cards. As far as banks go, I don't think they care as long as you give them US funds. Angelo >From: Wizards Shopper >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] question to all US Mystara fans >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:01:54 +0100 > >here is a question to all the US mystara fans >how can a non US resident open a bank account in US dollars in a US bank >you understand that this could be a good way for non US to be able to >purchase old TSR stuff on Ebay or elsewhere... >thanks in advance > >thib > > > >-----Message d'origine----- > >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:21:05 -0600 > >De: ramhog > >Sujet: Re: [MYSTARA] Master of the Desert Nomads > >A: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > > >>i'll be happy to know where you found them > >> > >>thibault > > > > > >I found them in a used bookstore. > > > > > >VVH > > > >-- > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > >Thibault Sarlat >ICQ 16622177 >homepage www.mystara.fr.st >join me at thibsylv@club-internet.fr >or at clenarius@hotmail.com > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:46:06 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: question to all US Mystara fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It might be possible by using Paypal. Some countries are approved. Got to http://www.paypal.com You can link a credit card or bank account to it. And you even put down my e-mail address as a referral (deustace@mediaone.net):-). I just signed up for it last night to pay off some stuff from eBay. I'm kind of leary since it's a bit too much of the New World Order for my liking, but it is convenient. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wizards Shopper" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:01 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] question to all US Mystara fans here is a question to all the US mystara fans how can a non US resident open a bank account in US dollars in a US bank you understand that this could be a good way for non US to be able to purchase old TSR stuff on Ebay or elsewhere... thanks in advance thib >-----Message d'origine----- >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:21:05 -0600 >De: ramhog >Sujet: Re: [MYSTARA] Master of the Desert Nomads >A: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >>i'll be happy to know where you found them >> >>thibault > > >I found them in a used bookstore. > > >VVH > >-- > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > Thibault Sarlat ICQ 16622177 homepage www.mystara.fr.st join me at thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:47:04 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I really like the idea that 3e is very open. But you know what? EVERY D&D system has always said "if you don't like the rule don't use it," and that DMs are allowed to change any rule. That still didn't seem to change the feeling of a certain rule play seeming overall superior to another. What makes 3e different? angelo >From: SteelAngel >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:35:56 -0500 > >On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Rob wrote: > > > Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something > > different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at >all. > >Ahh, you see, there is another option... 3e is very open like that. The >other option (magic and psionics are different) is quite well laid out on >a whole page by itself. > > >Ethan > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:50:09 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Swords And Sorcery Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This may be a stupid question, but what is the point of the prestige classes? And incidentally, they seem a bit too powerful to me. Are there prestige versions of monsters to counter act that? Angelo >From: Andrew Theisen >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Swords And Sorcery Studios >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:56:31 -0800 > >At 11:31 AM 3/14/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > >The Relics and Rituals book is quite nice for neat magic items and a few > >interesting prestige classes. > >There's one Prestige class in there that looks awfully similar to what a >prestige class of the Secret Craft of Necromancy (from Glantri) might look >like. > >I think the Prestige classes for the magic users are a bit overpowering, >though, giving +1 level of spellcasting with each level (I have the same >thought about the Loremaster PC from the DMG). It makes it almost ludicrous >to continue on as a single-classed Wizard or Sorceror. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:49:45 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:47 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >I really like the idea that 3e is very open. But you know what? EVERY D&D >system has always said "if you don't like the rule don't use it," and that >DMs are allowed to change any rule. That still didn't seem to change the >feeling of a certain rule play seeming overall superior to another. What >makes 3e different? The fact that they have sidebars in the DMG and psionics handbook explaining why they made the decision they did, how you can change things, and their suggestions for how to do so and to keep it balanced. In other words, the versions of 3E that didn't make it into the final version, but came close, are still available inside 3E in many cases, and since the almost-rans are the things that the large plurality of fans want to be different, almost everything is already addressed in the source material. And every version of D&D absolutely did not say one could change things. Gygax wrote in 1E that if you started changing things around, you wouldn't be playing D&D and specifically forbade tinkering. This was a nonsense position, of course, but it was the official one for many years. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:52:36 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed My technique to keep players from abusing ANY thing was to turn it against them. They mention using this technique in the Cyclopedia, I believe. If characters start abusing psionics, turn some psionicists on them. Basically the idea is "whatever you can do, so could one of your enemies." What really sucks is letting a munchkin DM, but that's another story. Angelo >From: Beau Yarbrough >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:52:41 -0800 > >At 17:42 3/14/01 -0000, Rob wrote: > >> by default, psionics and Magic are transparent. That > >> means that they interact - dispel magic works just as well on psionics, > >> and vice versa. That makes Psionics and magic really just two different > >> expressions of the same concept. > > > >*sigh* > > > >Great. That was the best thing about psionics, that it was something > >different. Take that away and you may as well not bother with it at all. > > > >Truly, 3E marks the end of my D&D days.... > > You may have been outvoted on this. I never used psionics after a >few >disastrous 1E experiments, precisely BECAUSE it was the munchkin uberpower. >"Oh, that archmage thinks he's bad, huh? Well, he has no defense against my >psionic powers! BWAH HA HA HA HA!" That, to me, was boring. It was a crude >insert into a game that had no accomodation for it. Not only did the game >give high level powers to any character, but it also failed to build any >checks or balances into the game, as presumably all the clerics and >magic-users were blissfully unaware of this uber-munchkin force abroad in >the land. > The 3E psionics book, incidentally, discusses NOT making psionics >another >form of magical energy (which I guess is not really magical energy, but >simply energy at this point) and how to do that in your own campaign. > You can play it your way, and now I can play it mine. 3E does a >better job >of accomodating all styles of play than previous versions, IMO. > > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:54:33 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Psionics in Mystara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm glad the option is there for unique campaigns, and maybe special cities.... but.... I really don't think Psionics belong in Mystara in general. The original rules never included it. I think it should be rare at best. Angelo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:55:16 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: NPC levels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Balance the enemies to whatever challenges your PCs and don't worry too much about where all of these higher level guys came from. In reality, most nations would be ruled by very high level characters (well above 9th), with good amounts of high level bodyguards, to boot. A few max level PCs can do some serious damage in a short amount of time. As such, nations would have to have adapted defenses (i.e. high level NPCs) to cope with the threat. But I digress. Do whatever is fun. My lower level PCs also had a ship battle recently and the PCs (5 at L6-7), took out a crew of 20 F1 sailors, an Elf 7 captain, with a charmed minotaur. After some skirmishes earlier in the day, it was a good fight. Maybe keep the bulk of the crew at F1-3, but beef up the leaders to challenge the whole party. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harvey" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] NPC levels > The party just fought off a shipful of pirates, and had a pretty easy > time of it. Everyone had a great time so I'm not unhappy, but I'm > wondering about what sort of levels are appropriate for NPC fighters. > I was using 1st level fighters for the bulk of the pirate horde, but > got to thinking that maybe 3rd level would be more appropriate. > > My reasoning: an proper "knight" is at least 9th level; a baron ought > to have a dozen such landed knights at his command, each with a > manor. Likewise, a graduate of the school of wizardry is 9th level. > Finally, Mystara abounds with really high level characters -- few > important people are "only" 9th level. The old notion that "everyone > is normal or 1st level except the PCs" doesn't seem to hold on > Mystara. What do you think? > > Mike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:57:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Swords And Sorcery Studios In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:50 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >This may be a stupid question, but what is the point of the prestige >classes? And incidentally, they seem a bit too powerful to me. Are there >prestige versions of monsters to counter act that? Good prestige classes aren't too powerful. It's all about good design, as is any aspect of the game. Their purpose is to give a bit more flavor and definition, with rules benefits, to higher level characters. If you ever owned "Unearthed Arcana" for 1E, you remember the thief-acrobat, for instance. (I've got a 3E version of this first prestige class up on Eric Noah's site, incidentally.) And OD&D had prestige classes after that: Think of all the characters who changed classes when they reached higher levels. The halfling master is a good example of a prestige class, albeit one with more levels than a 3E prestige class gets. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:58:19 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:52 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >My technique to keep players from abusing ANY thing was to turn it against >them. They mention using this technique in the Cyclopedia, I believe. If >characters start abusing psionics, turn some psionicists on them. Basically >the idea is "whatever you can do, so could one of your enemies." What >really sucks is letting a munchkin DM, but that's another story. Sure, but when it was munchkin psionics-users attacking a world without psionics or knowledge of it, attacking THEM with psionics wasn't quite the same. They had psionics, after all ... BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:09:55 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That's the DM's fault for stupidly putting psionicists in a game without psionics! Where's the logic in that? >From: Beau Yarbrough >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:58:19 -0800 > >At 00:52 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > >My technique to keep players from abusing ANY thing was to turn it >against > >them. They mention using this technique in the Cyclopedia, I believe. >If > >characters start abusing psionics, turn some psionicists on them. >Basically > >the idea is "whatever you can do, so could one of your enemies." What > >really sucks is letting a munchkin DM, but that's another story. > > Sure, but when it was munchkin psionics-users attacking a world >without >psionics or knowledge of it, attacking THEM with psionics wasn't quite the >same. They had psionics, after all ... > > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:17:49 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:09 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >That's the DM's fault for stupidly putting psionicists in a game without >psionics! Where's the logic in that? Or, alternately, it's the fault of TSR because they put in a few pages of psionics in at the back of a players handbook that otherwise was almost totally unequipped to handle them. The number of spells and magic items that interacted with psionics could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Putting those pages in front of the players, not the DM alone, put the onus on a great number of DMs all over the world to try them out. Maybe they all were stupid for acceding to the wishes of their players, but they were the ones who'd payed out the money for the rulebooks thinking that the stuff contained in them would work together well. Psionics were more unbalancing than even the worst of "Dragon" magazine's "NPC" classes: A witch, for instance, might have massive amounts of magic items and new spells, but they could still be resisted with saving throws, battled against with Detect Magic, Dispel Magic, Globe of Invulnerability and Anti-Magic Shell. The 1st level thief with high rolls on the psionics charts in the BACK OF THE OFFICIAL RULEBOOK could do a lot more damage to a party of 18th level characters than even the worst magazine-published NPC class. Where's the logic in that? BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:12:28 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara stuff for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I feel I've missed something. Is that - th 1st msgs - a commom joke of you guys? If you say "I'm wrong" in front of 265 people, you are supposed to be a nice person. Anyway, Cyco, I WANT that stuff!!! :^) OK? Cheers, people. vini. ramhog wrote: > > > > >Kids, what important lesson can we all learn from this very meaningful post? > > > > You know, I occurred to me only seconds after I sent this what an > assholish thing that was I did. > > Sorry about that. > > VVH ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:13:47 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get this offmychest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What product are u talking about? Sorry, I admit I've been out of the town for a weekor so. vini. ramhog wrote: > > > > >It will become an extraordinary supplement for Gaz.1 Karameikos too, > >in your further campaigns. > >Whatever you pay for it, it's well paid. Really. > > > >Federico > > > >(BTW: you hate me too, correct?) > > No, I don't hate you, Federico- but if I did, I'd have to hate > myself, too, as I will (finally!) be getting a copy of it! > > VVH (who doesn't really hate anybody) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:17:53 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dunlendor@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/2001 6:47:46 PM Central Standard Time, abertoll@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > . What > makes 3e different? > 3E has a consistent mechanic throughout the entire system, recognizes this fact and strives to achieve it in everything they put out. Instead of having dozens of exceptions to the rules and "figure it out on your own" stuff, there classes of exceptions to the rules (ie, disarms and fighting with two weapons work differently than normal attacks, but they work in a consisten fashion differently than normal attacks) and I really haven't been able to quiz my players yet on the vein of "How could we break this game" without finding an answer or finding out that we were mistaken in a rule in the first place. JMH ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:21:18 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dunlendor@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Psionics in Mystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/2001 6:54:51 PM Central Standard Time, abertoll@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > I'm glad the option is there for unique campaigns, and maybe special > cities.... but.... I really don't think Psionics belong in Mystara in > general. The original rules never included it. I think it should be rare > at best. Of course, with the "psionics as just another form of magic" clause in 3E psionics couldn't the psi warrior be another expression of 3E Mystaran Elves? Just rename psionics back to magic and ... Ah hell, I scare myself sometimes. JMH ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:51:47 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Re: Psionics in Mystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/01 11:21:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dunlendor@AOL.COM writes: > Of course, with the "psionics as just another form of magic" clause in 3E > psionics couldn't the psi warrior be another expression of 3E Mystaran > Elves? > Just rename psionics back to magic and ... > I'd rather use it as the "magic" system for the Shadow Elves...thereby explaining why their magic is unable to preserve the conquered Alfheim. It is not a "natural" magic but rather a talent/ability that developed in place of the normal magic of the surface world. Perhaps aided by underground radiations or proximity to the magic shield separating the Hollow World from the surface, the Shadow Elves developed psionics in place of arcane type magic. Froggy ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:25:52 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > DMs are allowed to change any rule. That still didn't seem to change the > feeling of a certain rule play seeming overall superior to another. What > makes 3e different? 3e seems so flexible in this regard because that's how it is designed. Case in point - AD&D2 had all kinds of rule options that broke the core mechanic, and unfortunately, everyone wanted to use those options because they were cool. Sure, it was the DM's option to not use that crap, but it just seemed wrong to not use it, as it "was" part of the core mechanic - every PO and CHB had the same rule status as the PHB. With 3e it is different. NOTHING breaks the core mechanic. Everything is designed to fit seamlessly in and out of the rules, like a modular set. If you don't want some options, like psionics, it doesn't require a rule change. If you don't like prestige classes, chuck them. Maybe this doesn't make much sense, but 3e is designed more toward the DM who wants to customize. It's like Linux. Older D&D and AD&D books were like Windows. One size fits all, and customization isn't a core idea. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:31:42 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Swords And Sorcery Studios In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010314165711.007c87c0@mail.boilingpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Beau Yarbrough wrote: > good example of a prestige class, albeit one with more levels than a 3E > prestige class gets. Though, one must look at the author, and remember that 'munchkin' is synonymous with 'Ed Greenwood'. If there was one author that ruined AD&D, it was Eddie 'my main character in a 40th level human ftr/mage/cleric/theif who cavorts with hot goddesses and is so uber-strong he can kick your party's butt, and his name is Elminster and I 0wN j00, all your magic are belong to me!@!!!@!@!@' Greenwood. Can anyone tell my thoughts on the Realms? Ethan - who is buying the FR book anyway for collector's purposes/ideas.. I mean FR stole enough from Mystara... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:34:37 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Psionics in Mystara In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 Dunlendor@AOL.COM wrote: > psionics couldn't the psi warrior be another expression of 3E Mystaran Elves? > Just rename psionics back to magic and ... Oooo... I like this idea.. Just make up some nature oriented powers and make Elves Psi warriors....I like! Ethan - who can;t beleive that he just said 'I like psionics' ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:47:42 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Psionics in Mystara Comments: cc: mystara3e@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <4c.12179552.27e1a463@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 14 Mar 2001, at 23:51, Wizards Shopper wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/01 11:21:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Dunlendor@AOL.COM writes: > > Of course, with the "psionics as just another form of magic" clause in 3E > > psionics couldn't the psi warrior be another expression of 3E Mystaran > > Elves? > > Just rename psionics back to magic and ... > > > > I'd rather use it as the "magic" system for the Shadow Elves...thereby > explaining why their magic is unable to preserve the conquered Alfheim. It > is not a "natural" magic but rather a talent/ability that developed in place > of the normal magic of the surface world. Perhaps aided by underground > radiations or proximity to the magic shield separating the Hollow World from > the surface, the Shadow Elves developed psionics in place of arcane type > magic. Ooo.... this is an interesting idea... maybe not as an "official" part of the 3E Mystara conversion, but it has potential as a "suggested alternative" (like the "sidebars" in the DMG). I'm Cc'ing this reply to the M3E group too so it goes on the radar for "further thought" Jenni -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- Benevolent Despot of the Mystara 3E Project M3E Project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mystara3E ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:15:40 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I get the same feeling too. But I just couldn't put my finger on the cause of this "openness" But I guess what you're saying makes sense. The idea is it was built from the ground up on this basis. Instead of previous systems that just tried to forcibly add things on later. Actually, since I know so little about the real rules of 3e, I may keep myself ignorant and play in a few games without knowing the rules. I've always had more fun playing games without knowing all the little details. Angelo >From: SteelAngel >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:25:52 -0500 > >On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Angelo Bertolli wrote: > > > DMs are allowed to change any rule. That still didn't seem to change >the > > feeling of a certain rule play seeming overall superior to another. >What > > makes 3e different? > >3e seems so flexible in this regard because that's how it is >designed. Case in point - AD&D2 had all kinds of rule options that broke >the core mechanic, and unfortunately, everyone wanted to use those options >because they were cool. Sure, it was the DM's option to not use that crap, >but it just seemed wrong to not use it, as it "was" part of the core >mechanic - every PO and CHB had the same rule status as the PHB. > >With 3e it is different. NOTHING breaks the core mechanic. Everything is >designed to fit seamlessly in and out of the rules, like a modular set. If >you don't want some options, like psionics, it doesn't require a rule >change. If you don't like prestige classes, chuck them. > >Maybe this doesn't make much sense, but 3e is designed more toward the DM >who wants to customize. It's like Linux. Older D&D and AD&D books were >like Windows. One size fits all, and customization isn't a core idea. > > >Ethan > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:35:58 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Swords And Sorcery Studios In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 00:31 3/15/01 -0500, SteelAngel wrote: >Ethan - who is buying the FR book anyway for collector's >purposes/ideas.. I mean FR stole enough from Mystara... I haven't liked the Forgotten Realms from the very first "Dragon" article Greenwood did about them, where the map was a rough sketch of what are now known as the Dalelands -- the Realms today have more to do with commerce than Greenwood's original campaign, no matter what the current spin might be -- but the FR hardback does sound very, very good. While the monster book looks pretty dreadful, there's clearly a lot of smart people working on the campaign book. I won't buy it -- I need another fat hardback that I won't use like I need a hole in my head -- but I can certainly see the temptation. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:18:04 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:15 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >I get the same feeling too. But I just couldn't put my finger on the cause >of this "openness" But I guess what you're saying makes sense. The idea is >it was built from the ground up on this basis. Instead of previous systems >that just tried to forcibly add things on later. > >Actually, since I know so little about the real rules of 3e, I may keep >myself ignorant and play in a few games without knowing the rules. I've >always had more fun playing games without knowing all the little details. Bad news. If you know the D20 rule, you already know most of the little details in the system. Roll + appropriate stat modifier + appropriate skill modifier vs. target number The end. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.