========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:49:57 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phaedyme Subject: Re: Swords And Sorcery Studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SteelAngel wrote: > > If there was one author that ruined AD&D, it was Eddie 'my main character > in a 40th level human ftr/mage/cleric/theif who cavorts with hot goddesses > and is so uber-strong he can kick your party's butt, and his name is > Elminster and I 0wN j00, all your magic are belong to me!@!!!@!@!@' > Greenwood. Somebody set us up the Tarrasque! > Can anyone tell my thoughts on the Realms? No. You seem ambivalent and vague on the subject. :-) > Ethan - who is buying the FR book anyway for collector's > purposes/ideas.. I mean FR stole enough from Mystara... I'll be buying it too. I may even run games set in it, because the writers can't control how my games run, and I like to hop from world to world - the fewer worlds I have to design, the better. :-) -- Watch This Space | xenya@teleport.com | cam#9309026 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG "...oh Brave New World that has such people in it." http://www.teleport.com/~xenya | -- The Tempest, Shakespeare ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:14:04 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: eikab Subject: Eikab's Saga cap.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Eikab's Saga begin! This history can change your campaing and you = wolrd! Safe yourself! (I apology for bad englis) The Pact. The Saga of Eikab began in the year 990 A.C. in one small and squalid = cell in the underground plans of the Palace of the prince of Belcadiz = situated in Nueva Alvar, capital of this principality. Eikab was found, = illicitly respect is to the laws that to the customs of the country, in = one be of slavery submit to don Ralondo's will, monarch of this small = elvish territory making part of the enchantocraty federation said the = Principalities of Glantri1. The reasons of this fact, and the events antecedents to this date, = aren't still of our acquaintance. We instead know that prince Ralondo, = gone up to the throne in the 858 A.C. after that his father King Alfonso = of Belcadiz abdicated because he didn't approve many aspects of the = process of foundation of the Principalities of Glantri. He was seriously = sick from various years, a lot that, he had indicated since the year 892 = A.C. its successor: the smaller daughter, dona Carnelia y Fedora2. Also = of this evil, the particulars are ignored. But the various and diffuse = voices that then circulated in the palaces of the Principalities, and = the particular characteristics of the elvish race3, make to suppose us = that pathology of psychological type was be a matter of one, caused = probably from a one strong stress to govern the Alhambra's family in = those difficult years. The night of the 9 Gromdain of the month of Thaumont, Eikab, in his = cell, received a secret visit of the first-born one of Ralondo: don = Hippolito4. He had matured a conspiracy that would have had bring him to = head of the family. He had carefully planned a surprise attack in order = to prevent, like we said, his sister succeeded the father. He only = remained to find the way to eliminate the old and sick prince.=20 Don Hippolito thought to Eikab, because he couldn't find a better hired = assassin than one that she had approached daily the rooms of don = Ralondo? The future patricide could also confide in the hatred that = Eikab had for his landladies, beyond that in one promised of a future = freedom, than it made it for a reason or purpose personal, in order to = obtain the engagement of the slave to realize the task.=20 The plan of don Hippolito after that night had been delineated with = clarity and without great risks. The noble would have waited for that = Eikab gave term to the life of its father before launch his personal = guard to the onslaught of the rooms of dona Carnelia, for get him to the = arrests and proclaim itself prince of Belcadiz. If all it had gone for = the best, would have been one trifle to make to pass like illicitly the = designation of the elf-women to princesa made from the father, using the = pretext of his infirmity and others quibbles5. In failure case all the = responsibilities were unloaded on a poor slave who had attempted to the = life of the prince risking aware (or less, this did not import) the = dead.=20 The hopes that Eikab succeeded in the enterprise were good. don Ralondo = was old and its psychophysicists conditions for a long time were = compromised, while Eikab was young, and don Hippolito had noticed as its = physical dowries and intellectuals they were outside from the norm. In particular they had hit it his fatigue strength and to the pain, = things of which Eikab from various months to come had endured in = quantity breaking the back to an ogre. However it remained only a point = that would have put in difficulty captive - and these he pointed out it = to the noble that evening - of forehead to the prince: the magic; if don = Ralondo had had the time launch also an only spell all the plan it would = be failed. It was necessary a stratagem in order to obviate to the problem that was = not little account. Don Hippolito determined not to go for the thin one: = if Eikab must defend itself from the magic, would have had learn that. So said, the noble found a solution and gave = immediate and taken care of dispositions its allied one6. For all the = month that follows this encounter the called being Eikab came begun to = the secrets of Mysterious Science. notes 1. The event that in particular made to decide (or more better, binged) = king Alfonso than to leave the guide of its people was the famous action = of the council of the noble ones that gained previous the civil war, known as "The light of Rad". It was the legal transaction = that settled the birth of the state, in how much placed like prejudicial = for being noble - and therefore to have the political power - the being = also a wizard. Complementarily one decided for the abolition of all the = clerical orders and for the spillage of all the priests from the = Principalities, moreover, from this moment in then the nobility title = hierarchically most high it would have been that one of Prince. King Alfonso found to have itself to accept al same time his (and of his = descend) degrade of rank, and to having to above all operate one = political antipopular against the elvish millenarian culture, suppressing, for a will of a majority formed from humans (the race to = which the elvish thought advanced naturally), the cults of Valerias = Calithia, Mealidon etc arethat they had adopted from when they had = allocated itself in the extreme West of the continent of Brun. All of = this produced immediately one strongly tension between the small state = and the other " new-principalities ", and as many strong inner tensions: = ""Alfonso, infuriated, resigns from the council and threatens to pull = the elven lands out of Glantri. He quickly comes to realize that they = will not let him go, Glantrian armies far outnumber his own. What's = more, The elves want to be part of Glantri, with few exceptions (mostly = clerics). Offered the title of Prince, King Alfonso refuses, and = altogether abdicates. His son, Ralondo, assumes the title of Casato = leader, but no King. He tried to decides what do, as pressure from = Glantri Builds". J. Guerra, Belcadiz Gazetteer, Official Mystara = Homepage, 1999, "History of Casato Alhambra" 2. Ibidem, "NPCs: Princess Carnelia' s duenas. ".=20 3. Is well knowing that the elves they are immune to the greater part of = medical pathologies that hit the others races; their organism in fact to could was damaged only from the = physical violence, the magic, substances toxic or, in extremis from new = virali shapes, bacterial or genetic for which they do not possess = antibodies. All had to us from the mechanism of their evolution, that = lowest rate reproduction goes to compensate they, granted to them one = hope of exceptionally long life. Some students assert quite that an elf = does not die of dead natural, but caught up a venerable age leave them = community for destinations only known to the old in issue, perhaps, for = joining with the natural elements. 4. In reality the visit was not carried out with the material encounter = of the two. In that occasion don Hippolito used a particular shape = (upgraded on parchment) of the spell Holography; projecting its = fictitious image in the cell of the prisoner, but remaining the entire = time in his rooms. In order to directly observe his interlocutor, the = noble-elf used also a spell Eye of the Sorcerer. 5. Between which the fact that after the passing of the husband, Miguel = de Fedora, happened in the 987 A.C., donates Carnelia would be due to = wedding again for totally being able to be worthy to go up to the = throne. Don Hippolito that knew the character well strong-willed person = and decided of the sister, she counted just on this point in order to = put in crisis "the infanta". The only point weak person of this woman was just the love. The wedding = with the Fedora was a state affair, but this - and after - Carnelia had = a relation with a belcaditian adventurer called Armando del Rio = Unfortunately in the 928 A.C. Armando was killed from a dragon; = Carnelia, even if was wed, at only 108 years old received a trauma = terrible, that it was also an incredibly profitable test in order to = forge its character. Although this Carnelia he always feraciously = remained faithful to these its feelings, and probably don Hippolito did = not mistake in thinking that the sister would not have never accepted a = third companion in its life. Cfr. J. Guerra cit. "NPCs Pricess Carnelias Duenas" Don Hippolito planned an intrigue indeed a lot detailed, in particular = way care to the legal and psychological aspects of the intrigue. This = can dared to us a misleading reflection on the elves of Belcadiz, = because they culture and their charaterial tendencies introduced in the = gazetter dedicated to the Principalities of Glantri, give the impression = to us that these elves strongly are influenced from their warrior = impulses ad that "they are better fast to put hand to the sword, than to = use the brain".=20 So making reference always to the - meagre - information of the = gazetter, this habit action of don Hippolito could turn out conflicting = if not inexplicable. In a society where the pride and the honour appears = the supreme values, that they must be always conquered defences and with = the sword or the magic from war, don Hippolito not chip the frontal = crash with his father and sister, nearly that account became that these = are too much strong for he. Is don Hippolito a coward? The point could also be, but isn't this. Is = Hippolito a Chaotic-Evil, and that is behaved in this way, in evident = breach with its cultural models? Not, this is to exclude categorically. = That the Alhambra's are characterised from one ideology typically = chivalrous and virile given of undeniable fact. However, two elements = are at least others of which holding account. In the first place we are = also always speaking about an ethnia elvish, than, like all the = pertaining to this race, they enjoy a life much long-lived one and that, = therefore, they think that it is a precious good not to waste. In the = second place, the Principality of Belcadiz possesses one social, = cultural and intellectual life of the highest level, pack-saddles to = think next to the small details and the wealth of festival the this state, or next to the great importance given = to the luxury and refined objects. Decidedly we find ourselves of forehead to society extremely developed, = is relatively regarding the others societies of Mystara, than for = itself, the presence of a high rate social evolution with to a foolish = use of the public and private violence always difficulty remains = verifiable. For recorded: the Germany of Hitler was of course a nation a = lot developed social and technologically (cultural consummations, = socialisation, mass media etc, removed their contains, of course), = nevertheless it possessed a high rate violence inner that external. But = it was just the first society that gave life, without previous, to a = system of scientific use of this violence in a position to maintaining = in order the social order of the country, and to guarantee to way they, = and second the nazi views, a high degree of civilisation. For Belcadiz the things are quite different speech, but not in the = substance. The great emphasis that comes given to the duels to the first = one or to the last blood, like resolution of the discords, so like means = of reproduction of the social contract, is a false historian, or one = over-simplified vision. The belcaditian elves have to disposition, = thanks to the magic, many other means for prescribed their social = relationships, like as an example, the spell "the Duel double" (J. = GUERRA, Op.cit., " Belcadiz Spells "..idem) that it creates two " = dopplelanger " of the fighters, that they resolve the discords in vece = of wizard elves.=20 If the duel, the manifestations of intemperance and the perennial = call-backs to the honour of the crews, also remain always one constant = of the attitudes of the belcaditian this is one constant date from the = cultural identity of this people, and they do not give the fact that = these elves do not know other lifestyle with their similar ones or with = races different. Therefore - we conclude returning to don Hippolito - we = are of forehead to a society that has exceeded the threat of the = directed physical embezzlement, one against the other, like instrument = regulator of the social relationships, and so the political sphere (than = is a sphere of social relationships but too big and complex of before) = has enrich itself of other instruments, not last that one of the thin = intrigue. 6. Exactly don Hippolito gave information to Eikab about a Magi Item = that lies for year in a room of the castle, this should be useful for = the task. This object was a portrait of a triptych named "The = adventurer" painted and enchanted by the sorcerer Soledad Luna in the = IX=B0 Century A.C. The Adventurer shows a small group of four heroes that return from their = first adventure. The party is formed by a human woman who brandishes a = mace and brings on to a shoulder a shield and wearing a red clerical = tunic; an elf with dark hair (therefore a belcaditian), the tiny shapes = of a boy who carrying a heavy and unmistakable spell book and, at least, = a warrior with red hair dressed by red and black. don Hippolito revealed to Eikab the working of the object - thing very = simple - was enough to gave a vocal order to any character because the = target breathes life himself and took a real form to come out from the = portrait. This simulacrums could make all the action in their powers, in the = Eikab's case, the young mage might bestow the rudiments of the magic = arts. Only a particular escaping to the noble-elf: the evocation could = be doing only once for month. This wasn't a secondary problem, because Eikab might elude, during the = night (with the complicity ofsome Hippolito's guards) the surveillance, = bur after the dawn the simulacrum must return in the portrait, because = hide it was impossible in to a castle where all the people knew the = magic. However, with alwais big surprise of the noble, Eikab easily resolved = the problem without another help. With his extraordinary skills the = prisoner could learned the spell Read Magic in only one nigh and he well = thought to command to the simulacrum to cut with a nail the formulas of = many other spells on the ground of his cell; the cutter were hide from = the sight with the bed. So the continues of the study was very simply = and without any risk. If someone would receive the italian version can ask me. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:00:27 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sure, but when it was munchkin psionics-users attacking a world without > psionics or knowledge of it, attacking THEM with psionics wasn't quite the > same. They had psionics, after all ... > Obviously the reason this world had no psionics or knowledge of them is that all minds there are class VI and therefore immune. Including, of course, the megalith itself so there are no psionics of ANY sort on the planet at all. After all any psionic that interferes with the megalith can be perceived as a psionic attack upon it. Then there could be the fact that an Immortal has used PP to "Alter Characteristics of a Plane" so that psionics just don't work, or each use of psionic powers drains an equal number of hit points, but the loss is PERMANENT. BTW don't mention that this is a permanent loss, just state the failure of regeneration, healing magic and even wishes (it's a munchkin it's bound to have at LEAST two saved up). Hopefully they'll try Cell Adjustment or some such and kill themselves off. None of the above alters the game in any way except for munchkin. There are no foes specifically added to cope with it's excesses which the rest of the party have no defence against, unfortunately an all to common remedy, no need to try and remember all the additional rules and exceptions. In fact they easily explain the reason why the munchkin wanted to go there in the first place. No one has psionics because, either they just don't work, or they're almost invariably fatal to use. Hamlet I, v, 166 Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:19:33 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Looking for 1-2 players around Orlando, Florida area to start my new campaign! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello MML! I would be darn surprised if there is anyone on this list that lives in Florida, much less Orlando but I am graduating this May (YEAH!!!) and so I have time to DM again!!(YEAH!)I am VERY excited about starting a Mystara campaign utilizing AD&D 2nd edition rules(with some OD&D mixed in) set in Glantri and was wondering if anyone happening to live in the area would like to join my campaign? We are planning to start this summer say somewhere in mid May or early June. My campaigns are known for their balanced mixture of roleplaying, combat, puzzlesolving, and of course Mystaran Dominion-ruling. :) Upon entering my campaign I will then give you a Questionnaire immediately so that you can think through some questions and give me in essence your playing style and opinions. There are some things I have not finalized yet in my campaign and the output from yourself will really help me decide how to gauge our campaign that will suit your own style. Roleplaying is ALL about fun so the abo! ve is an extremely crucial step in MAKING SURE YOU ARE HAVING FUN IN MY CAMPAIGN! If you are interested or wish to know more about my Mystara post here or email me at lancer@starwarsemail.com Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:45:35 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010314231804.007c4c70@mail.boilingpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Beau Yarbrough wrote: > >Actually, since I know so little about the real rules of 3e, I may keep > >myself ignorant and play in a few games without knowing the rules. I've > >always had more fun playing games without knowing all the little details. > > Bad news. If you know the D20 rule, you already know most of the little > details in the system. Roll + appropriate stat modifier + appropriate skill > modifier vs. target number Well, you know the core mechanic anyway. But that isn't really the little details of the system. Little details like DCs for each skill, feats, combinations of feats/skills (emergent complexity?), spellcasting and the details of each spell, all the different modifiers and options in combat, the intricacies of initiative and movement and AoOs... Choosing a skill at random: Handle Animal contains "hidden" rules for the time it takes to perform, computing the DC (including formulas in some situations), rules for various ways the skill can be applied, rules for retry attempts, rules linking it to other skills and feats, and a special rule for untrained attempts. All of these rules are specific to this skill, and there are some patterns that resemble other skills, the specific details are different. Now multiply "all the little details" by some 50 skills, 50 feats, 300 spells, 10 character classes, combat, spellcasting, adventuring, environmental... Having a unified core mechanic does not eliminate details. In fact, most games that employ a central mechanic seem to have *more* details and *more* rules, as they apply that mechanic to different situations. In play, you have to constantly refer to the appropriate sections of the books to determine the correct rules, unless you (a) have them memorized, or (b) decide to ignore them. That is much of the appeal of a game like OD&D, and the whole point of Fudge: simplicity. You don't have to check the skill description (if there is one) because it has no special case rules: the GM just uses common sense. Personally I don't like to ignore rules, unless we have a specific house rule that says "ignore it". If I'm going to ignore the details and just rely on the core mechanic I might as well play Fudge. But the players didn't agree to play Fudge; they did agree to play D&D. And if we're honest, most of us *like* all those little rules: we enjoy learning them, studying them, discussing them, applying them, trying to get around them... YMMV (and probably does). Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:45:34 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT SteelAngel wrote: > > Maybe this doesn't make much sense, but 3e is designed more toward the DM > who wants to customize. It's like Linux. Older D&D and AD&D books were > like Windows. One size fits all, and customization isn't a core idea. 3e does have modular add-ons (like most games), but the core is tightly integrated. For example, what if you don't want to use skills? That has profound implications for Rogues, and skills are integrated throughout the system. Or what if you don't like a particular skill or feat? Some you can throw out, but many are linked to other parts of the system. And you're going to have to modify any monsters or characters that use that feat. Don't like Attacks of Opportunity? Getting rid of them is nontrivial. Want to change the prices of equipment, or make magic less available? Doing so will affect game balance. Don't like alignments, or want to throw out Good/Evil and just use Law/Chaos? Alignments are far more integrated in 3e than ever before. Easy customization in 3e is pretty much limited to ADDING new skills, feats, and prestige classes; inventing new classes is also possible but nontrivial. Prestige classes and psionics are easy to exclude because they aren't core. By contrast, OD&D seems less integrated to me... or maybe a better way to put it is the core is much smaller, and more of the system is optional. I sometimes chuck the whole skill system, and once I replaced it with Fudge mechanics. That would be difficult in 3e. OD&D also lacks the knife-edge game balance of 3e, and is more tolerant of changes and/or mistakes. For example, for years I've run clerics like 3e sorcerers, choosing their spells on the fly. Doing this is 3e would upset game balance. I don't really see either game as better, just different. Both are customizable, but in different ways. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:50:24 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Americancyco Subject: Swords & Sorcery Studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have both of these books and I think they are both very good. The artwork my not be great, but then again I don't need full color fancy drawings. The monsters are useful and nice to be able to throw a monster or two at the group they never heard of. The R&R books is really good. (ON a side note, a group of people myslef included are working on a project for SSS to put a update on the web for the creation costs of all the magic items in that book. Hopefully it will be up soon) But I do agree you have to take each spell on it's own and decide if it's too powerful, I even found some of the spells to be under power and really pointless. The ritual magic is nice and they do have a really cool spell that is required to add a second class as a cleric at later levels. This is really nice if you're like me and don't like the new rules in 3E for just being able to pick up a new class out of the blue. The magic items are nice but again some are really good, some are over powered, some are under powered. My special section of working on was the rings so that is the section I'm most familiar with. The prestige classes. I really like the idea behind them but I agree most of them are over powered. One of my biggest complaints was they are too easy to pick up. There should be more of a requiremnet then just certain skill ranks or race. I don't use many published prestige classes as i have created my own for my game. I think the only one I have used that has been published is the undead hunter from dragon magazine. I really haven't gone over the ones in R&R with a fine toothed comb yet. Someone asked about the FR rulebook. Yes I am looking forward to buying it. From what I have seen on it from the web and the LCFR I think a lot of it will be of great use in my game. The idea of region specific feats are great, some of the prestige classes are ok (but over powered just need to be toned down) What I like is that many of the prestige classes are only 5 levels. I look forward to the dracolich stats (always loved her since way back in Dragon 206 or what ever issue), I look forward to new spells and magic items. But over all the SSS books are well worth the cost, even more so then some of the newer WoTC products. ===== Evil is as humans do Bible prophecy comes true in the desert sands Beware of THEM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:38:13 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jennifer Guerra Subject: Last Call! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, This is the "Last Call" for submissions for the final Tome of Mystara. If you need an extension, just ask me! Late submissions which don't have an extension cannot be accepted. I don't have a set release date for the final issue - just whenever we're done editing and formatting. So if anyone has any ideas on "extras" we might include (since it'd be pointless to have a poll!), just write me at this address - not to the MML, please. Thanks! Jennifer Guerra Editor, Tome of Mystara e-Zine http://www.geocities.com/mystaratome/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:47:43 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:58:19 Beau Yarbrough wrote: >At 00:52 3/15/01 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >>My technique to keep players from abusing ANY thing was to turn it against >>them. They mention using this technique in the Cyclopedia, I believe. If >>characters start abusing psionics, turn some psionicists on them. Basically >>the idea is "whatever you can do, so could one of your enemies." What >>really sucks is letting a munchkin DM, but that's another story. > > Sure, but when it was munchkin psionics-users attacking a world without >psionics or knowledge of it, attacking THEM with psionics wasn't quite the >same. They had psionics, after all ... > I like 2e, but this is one area where I really hated it. The 2e Psionicists handbook was just so awful. As you say, if you have to hit PC psionicists with other psionicists rather than powerful priests or wizards because the latter cannot harm them, then the tactics will work, of course, but it also shows that the rules are flawed at the core... I remember considering psionics back then, so I looked at the book and read a few pages... and was horrified! I looked a bit more, and then gave up! I just put the book back on the shelf and shook my head as I said, "Oh well...". That was pretty much 2e psionics for me. I mean, if the player wanted to, his psionicist could Disintegrate stuff at 3rd level for crying out loud... - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:49:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get thisoffmychest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:13:47 Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: >What product are u talking about? Sorry, I admit I've been out of the >town for a weekor so. >vini. > I believe they were talking about B10: Night's Dark Terror. After all, it's only one of the best adventures ever written for Mystara/OD&D or any other role-playing game IMHO. Needless to say, I don't have a copy myself, either :( - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:08:53 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 3/15/01 +0000, Mike Harvey wrote: >Beau Yarbrough wrote: >> Bad news. If you know the D20 rule, you already know most of the little >> details in the system. Roll + appropriate stat modifier + appropriate skill >> modifier vs. target number > >Well, you know the core mechanic anyway. But that isn't really the >little details of the system. Little details like DCs for each skill, >feats, combinations of feats/skills (emergent complexity?), >spellcasting and the details of each spell, all the different >modifiers and options in combat, the intricacies of initiative and >movement and AoOs... Those darn people at White Wolf have ruined me on this score, though. The DC for a task is whatever I want it to be now. If I want it to be hard, I give it a high number, if not I give it a low number. Other than very specific tasks that have the DC listed in the PHB (and thus in front of my players' faces), I go for whatever works for the story. (Speaking of White Wolf: Hi, Dierdre!) BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:10:57 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:45 3/15/01 +0000, Mike Harvey wrote: >3e does have modular add-ons (like most games), but the core is >tightly integrated. >Don't like alignments, or want to throw out >Good/Evil and just use Law/Chaos? Alignments are far more integrated >in 3e than ever before. It is? How so? It looks about the same as AD&D and OD&D to me. Now, the alignments are explained better than they have been in the past, but one could still rip them free pretty easily. BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:16:12 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) In-Reply-To: <008501c0ad60$b1f716c0$c4affea9@x7g9p0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 15:00 3/15/01 -0000, Paul George Dooley wrote: >> Sure, but when it was munchkin psionics-users attacking a world >without >> psionics or knowledge of it, attacking THEM with psionics wasn't quite the >> same. They had psionics, after all ... >> > Obviously the reason this world had no psionics or knowledge of them is >that all minds there are class VI and therefore immune. Including, of >course, the megalith itself so there are no psionics of ANY sort on the >planet at all. After all any psionic that interferes with the megalith can >be perceived as a psionic attack upon it. > Then there could be the fact that an Immortal has used PP to "Alter >Characteristics of a Plane" so that psionics just don't work, or each use of >psionic powers drains an equal number of hit points, but the loss is >PERMANENT. BTW don't mention that this is a permanent loss, just state the >failure of regeneration, healing magic and even wishes (it's a munchkin it's >bound to have at LEAST two saved up). Hopefully they'll try Cell Adjustment >or some such and kill themselves off. > None of the above alters the game in any way except for munchkin. There >are no foes specifically added to cope with it's excesses which the rest of >the party have no defence against, unfortunately an all to common remedy, no >need to try and remember all the additional rules and exceptions. In fact >they easily explain the reason why the munchkin wanted to go there in the >first place. No one has psionics because, either they just don't work, or >they're almost invariably fatal to use. Where were you when I was DMing back in middle school? BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:47:44 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get thisoffmychest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Are they going to re-release it? Maybe they should give us permission to post it if they aren't. >From: The Stalker >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get > thisoffmychest >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:49:54 +0100 > >On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:13:47 > Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > >What product are u talking about? Sorry, I admit I've been out of the > >town for a weekor so. > >vini. > > > >I believe they were talking about B10: Night's Dark Terror. After all, it's >only one of the best adventures ever written for Mystara/OD&D or any other >role-playing game IMHO. Needless to say, I don't have a copy myself, either >:( > > > - The Stalker > > > >Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. >FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:51:47 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Combat Rules 3e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Now that more people have experience with 3e, what do you think about the combat rules? Is there a reasonable way to simplify them to an easy non-map system, and still maintain game balance. A friend of mine said that taking away some of the rules to simplify it would either make fighter types way better than other classes, or way worse, depening on how you handled things. Angelo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:01:53 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: When players abuse the rules (Munchkins) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Where were you when I was DMing back in middle school? > > > BEAU > http://www.LBY3.com/ > Probably having another character lose their Paladinhood by sneaking up behind the necromancer and gutting him like a fishwife. >:^)~ Hamlet I, v, 166 Words to live by? Paul ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:00:56 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Rodney E. Barnes" Organization: The Christian Gamers Guild Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harvey" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? > Personally I don't like to ignore rules, unless we have a specific > house rule that says "ignore it". If I'm going to ignore the details > and just rely on the core mechanic I might as well play Fudge. But > the players didn't agree to play Fudge; they did agree to play D&D. > And if we're honest, most of us *like* all those little rules: we > enjoy learning them, studying them, discussing them, applying them, > trying to get around them... I totally agree! That is why I prefer 1st Edition to all the other rule sets. It has the most toys and stupid rules, but it's simple enough to have flexible fun with for the same reasons you like OD&D. But I agree, OD&D works better for Mystara. Rod CGG Prez http://claymore.50megs.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:10:50 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd getthisoffmychest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:47:44 Angelo Bertolli wrote: >Are they going to re-release it? Maybe they should give us permission to >post it if they aren't. > > It won't be rereleased as such. Of course I shouldn't say "never", but I virtually guarantee it. However, since WOTC has promised that all the old pre-3e stuff will be made available online, it should appear for us to download at some point. The good news about that is that since OD&D/Mystara stuff is probably considered so dead that none will use it by WOTC, that stuff will all be absolutely free. That's what I'm hoping for, obviously, but I actually think that will also be the case. The bad news, however, is that since WOTC is so certain that nobody will use all that old stuff (spread out over 2+ different rule-systems), they're not in any hurry in making it available, and IIRC, Mystara-stuff (OD&D and otherwise) is at the very bottom of their list of priorities in this matter :( Yes, it's a real shame for us, but at least the stuff will then probably be free. Personally, I can't wait to download B10! It really is something special in my book! - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:11:41 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010314164945.007c2b40@mail.boilingpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > And every version of D&D absolutely did not say one could change things. > Gygax wrote in 1E that if you started changing things around, you wouldn't > be playing D&D and specifically forbade tinkering. Yes, he said that, but he also said: "It is the spirit of the game, not the letter of the rules, which is important. Never hold to the letter written, nor allow some barracks room lawyer to force quotations from the rule book upon you, if it goes against the obvious intent of the game." - Gary Gygax, Dungeon Masters Guide, 1979 But I'd agree that that Gygax was generally against house rules, except for minor additions like new spells and items, or possibly new NPC classes. But he did encourage DMs to Not like it matters 20 years later, of course, but RPG history is fun. :-) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:20:16 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: milenian capital MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, i have yet posted this message in MNS, but i repost it here in = case someone who does'nt read the MSN (bad thing : - ) knows sompething = about the topics.. Where is the ancient capital of the outer Milenian empire ? I think that = no one of the modern cities states (Kastelios, Mivosia, Cyclonia) was the capital, nor the capital was transplanted in the hollow world... So = anybody knows where it was ? Anybody has an idea ? Thanks, bye Francesco ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:47:05 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: milenian capital >Where is the ancient capital of the outer Milenian empire ? I think that = >no one of the modern cities states (Kastelios, Mivosia, Cyclonia) was the >capital, nor the capital was transplanted in the hollow world... So = >anybody knows where it was ? Anybody has an idea ? >Thanks, bye > >Francesco Good question. IIRC, the history of the empire has the Milenians first establishing their nation in the forested hills west of the Hills of Desolation (see the PWA2 map for more information), and then subsequently conquering the Meghala Kimata Plains and its inhabitants at the time. That said, I would assume the capital city (now in ruins, likely) would be located in those forested hills - somewhere. Since Corisa (IIRC) was transported from the surface world, there should also be legends in northern Davania of "the vanished city" - one day, the now-forgotten city was there, a bustling centre of trade and moderate prosperity in a declining empire, and then, POOF!, it was gone, leaving a series of roads that end abruptly in a large, empty, open field, with no evidence remaining that there was ever a city present. This could be a way to get players interested in rumours of a hollow world, or otherwise lead them along for a while. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:30:05 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The BIG HOLE (was milenian capital) In-Reply-To: <200103161347.IAA13746@freenet10.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Since Corisa (IIRC) was transported from the surface world, there should >also be legends in northern Davania of "the vanished city" - one day, the Speaking of vanished cities- what do you guys think happened to the areas of Mystara that had to be removed (the polar regions) when the Immortals had to recreate the new opening to the Hollow World after the axis shifted? Do you think they just filled in the old hole with the leftovers from the new one? If Blackmoor really is the new north pole as I've read (I understand that's up for debate), then is it gone for good? VVH (who just woke up and still has a mushy brain) -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:31:27 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Beau Yarbrough Subject: Mystaran 3E psionics? Ridiculous or really useful? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 23:11 3/15/01 +0000, Mike Harvey wrote: >> And every version of D&D absolutely did not say one could change things. >> Gygax wrote in 1E that if you started changing things around, you wouldn't >> be playing D&D and specifically forbade tinkering. > >Yes, he said that, but he also said: > >"It is the spirit of the game, not the letter of the rules, which is >important. Never hold to the letter written, nor allow some barracks >room lawyer to force quotations from the rule book upon you, if it >goes against the obvious intent of the game." - Gary Gygax, Dungeon >Masters Guide, 1979 Given his other rants, especially in "From the Sorcerers Scroll" in "The Dragon" magazine (I'm sorry, the "the" is still there in my mind, two decades after it's stopped being on the cover), I suspect he's basically speaking out in favor of DMs having more power than the players, not the power to override E.G.G. himself. Man, I miss my musty old 1st edition books, taped spines and worn corners and muddy cat foot prints on the pages and all the rest. >But I'd agree that that Gygax was generally against house rules, >except for minor additions like new spells and items, or possibly new >NPC classes. But he did encourage DMs to > >Not like it matters 20 years later, of course, but RPG history is >fun. :-) Yep! BEAU http://www.LBY3.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:29:12 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: for those who have GAZ3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my campaign, a PC is soon to try the graduation test on pages 90-92. I plan to run the test as presented in the text, but I did have a couple of questions about it. If anyone has run it before, hopefully I can get some help, 1) In addition to what the candidate is told before the test, I am thinking of adding a couple of things, the first is that the candidate should be told that anything he is carrying when he walks out of the test is his. It doesn't say to tell him this, but it would seem a shame if the PC assumed that was not true. Is this fair, or is it giving too much away? Also, should the candidate be told that they will be rescued if they are about to die? Since one can fail and take the test again, those retaking the test would know this, so maybe every candidate should know this. 2) All the encounters seem pretty fair, except for the blackball. Unless the candidate has some prior knowledge of just what a blackball is and can do. Now if the wizards of Glantri can use a blackball in their graduation test, than they know quite a bit about those things. Which means it is possible that some class at the school, such as Advanced Planar Basics 201, teaches a few things about a blackball. But here is my dilemma, if the PC doesn't know what a blackball is, one misstep, and he is gone forever. But if he knows too much, he can use the blackball to start demolishing the dungeon where the test takes place. Since much of the test involves the obstacles of the doors, this gets lost if the blackball just burns a hole through all of them. 3) It isn't clear how to get into the rooms through the one-way doors. The text says that leaving the room through the correct one-way door means they have to push until they make a strength check. It also says a knock spell will open a one-way door either way. I would assume that if the candidate is in a corridor which has the correct one-way door to go into a room, he should just be able to open it. But the text then says that if he is trapped in a corridor, a one-way door will open automatically. This implies that opening a one-way door requires some effort. A knock spell seems too harsh, as the candidate will have to burn up too many spells just to get inside the rooms. It can't mean that a one-way door opens up the wrong way into a room, because the only way out(typically) is then to return to the corridor you just left. So my question is, how did anyone address this. To get in a room, is it just a matter of making the strength check, or something more involved? Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:35:25 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: for those who have GAZ3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Keyser" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] for those who have GAZ3 > In my campaign, a PC is soon to try the graduation test on pages 90-92. I > plan to run the test as presented in the text, but I did have a couple of > questions about it. If anyone has run it before, hopefully I can get some help, > > 1) In addition to what the candidate is told before the test, I am thinking of > adding a couple of things, the first is that the candidate should be told that > anything he is carrying when he walks out of the test is his. It doesn't say > to tell him this, but it would seem a shame if the PC assumed that was not > true. Is this fair, or is it giving too much away? Seeing that the PC goes in with nothing, he would probably assume that he could keep some of the stuff found inside. Why tell him (or her) first? Most players would not simply leave useful treasures behind, anyways. I don't think it would be a big deal to hint at this, if you think for some reason the PC would not take the items (what is their Wisdom score?). Then again, if the PC is that dense, maybe they shouldn't be graduating from the GSoM! Also, should the candidate > be told that they will be rescued if they are about to die? Since one can > fail and take the test again, those retaking the test would know this, so > maybe every candidate should know this. I definitely would NOT give this away! Think of it as going through boot camp or a fraternity initiation. The graduated members have secrets that are not given to those who are un-initiated. Those failing the test may very well be prohibited from speaking of (or have no memory of) how they were rescued. If they knew that they failed and were rescued, a condition of re-taking the test could be not to speak of what went on during the initial testing. It just seems like it would be closely guarded and kept secret amongst those prestigious enough to graduate. And traditions die hard... > 2) All the encounters seem pretty fair, except for the blackball. Unless > the candidate has some prior knowledge of just what a blackball is and > can do. Now if the wizards of Glantri can use a blackball in their graduation > test, than they know quite a bit about those things. Which means it is > possible that some class at the school, such as Advanced Planar Basics 201, > teaches a few things about a blackball. > > But here is my dilemma, if the PC doesn't know what a blackball is, one > misstep, and he is gone forever. But if he knows too much, he can use the > blackball to start demolishing the dungeon where the test takes place. > Since much of the test involves the obstacles of the doors, this gets lost > if the blackball just burns a hole through all of them. Give him a heads up on the blackball. That's only fair. But if only an Immortal can (maybe) command a blackball, what is this one doing here? Is Rad controlling it? Or maybe it is just a potent illusion of a blackball. If it touches him, he would "disintegrate" and could later wake up outside the testing grounds. His teacher could tell him that they rescued him from beyond )with a wish or some other last minute rescue). That would explain how the thing came to be there. In any case, I would work under the assumption that the blackball (whether real or illusory) is confined to that room alone, by whatever magic is binding it. That solves the problem of disintegrating right through the whole place. > 3) It isn't clear how to get into the rooms through the one-way doors. > The text says that leaving the room through the correct one-way door > means they have to push until they make a strength check. It also says > a knock spell will open a one-way door either way. I would assume that > if the candidate is in a corridor which has the correct one-way door > to go into a room, he should just be able to open it. But the text then says > that if he is trapped in a corridor, a one-way door will open automatically. > This implies that opening a one-way door requires some effort. A knock > spell seems too harsh, as the candidate will have to burn up too many > spells just to get inside the rooms. It can't mean that a one-way door opens > up the wrong way into a room, because the only way out(typically) is then > to return to the corridor you just left. > > So my question is, how did anyone address this. To get in a room, is it > just a matter of making the strength check, or something more involved? Just a strength check seems OK. You want the PC to go into the rooms. But the goal is to get out, not to search out every inch of the place. Maybe they only open on their own or something? I don't think it matters too much, as long as the 1-way thing is maintained (with the exception of a knock). Hope some of this helps. > Dave Keyser > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:37:55 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: B10: Night's Dark Terror and more. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I believe they were talking about B10: Night's Dark Terror. After all, it's only one of the best adventures ever written for Mystara/OD&D or any other role-playing game IMHO. Needless to say, I don't have a copy myself, either :( > > - The Stalker Uhmmmm... I want it. First of all: death... uh... *Hail* to Alpathia! (YES?) ;-) Dear friend Stalker and guys, how can I get a full list of OD&D + Mystara* products? Now I have the money to buy some material monthly (at least!). About WHERE to get them, I have already asked and you guys - and Jenny ;-) - replied e-bay and auctions... and in this list. Anywhere else? * Of course, anything else you guys find interesting would be nice. TIA, vini magus (more "vini cleric", lately). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:39:10 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (snip) IIRC, Mystara-stuff (OD&D and otherwise) is at the very bottom of their list of priorities in this matter :( >Yes, it's a real shame for us, but at least the stuff will then probably be free. Personally, I can't wait to download B10! It really is something special in my book! > > - The Stalker - That's why I'll say it again: "I'm buying!". You sell? I buy. Contact me. People, spread the news!!! - How long do you think the site release might take? - Where is TSR Jim? Don't we have a internal source... inside info? Cheers. vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:16:03 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? In-Reply-To: <3AB2DC5E.ADDB35DB@engineer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material being cranked out and creativity was soaring. For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? Curiously, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:39:17 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mystara and OD&D are all that I play, have played and will play. I'm a die hard. I don't crank out material for the MML because I'm already overloaded cranking out stuff for my own campaigns. Hopefully, someday, I'll be able to get some more of it so that it would be consumable by the rest of the list. I have 3 games scheduled for next week (but that's highly unusual, even weekly is rare). As for 3E, I could care less. I mean, I'm glad that others are into it, and that it keeps Mystara going and gets newer people into gaming. I'd consider playing in a 3E game if one came my way, but I'm not planning on buying any products, doing conversions, or any of that. The old stuff works fine for me. So yes, my Mystara is alive and well with OD&D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harvey" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara and OD&D forgotten? > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? > > 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some > ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material > being cranked out and creativity was soaring. > > For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely > proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left > behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > > Curiously, > Mike > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:30:36 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? In-Reply-To: <004801c0ae9c$3a35f600$0265da18@D56DN901> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Mystara and OD&D are all that I play, have played > and will play. I'm a die > hard. I don't crank out material for the MML > because I'm already overloaded > cranking out stuff for my own campaigns. > As for 3E, I could care less. > I mean, I'm glad that > others are into it, and that it keeps Mystara going > and gets newer people > into gaming. I'd consider playing in a 3E game if > one came my way, but I'm > not planning on buying any products, doing > conversions, or any of that. The > old stuff works fine for me. So yes, my Mystara is > alive and well with > OD&D. I must concur with this wholeheartedly. I only play OD&D Mystara, and have no urge to play anything else. I'd do more in the way of writing but I'm s busy with school at the moment that I don't have time to play yet alone anything else. I play when I can though. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:56:14 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's just taking a while to get going. People still are getting = the feel for the new stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Harvey Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:17 PM To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara and OD&D forgotten? On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material being cranked out and creativity was soaring. For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? Curiously, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.
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******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:18:12 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kar Ess Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? In-Reply-To: <004801c0ae9c$3a35f600$0265da18@D56DN901> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hardly ever post to the list, but I play in one and dm another - so that's two weekly games regularly. One Mystara and one OD&D. Don't play 3E, not planning on buying the stuff. Already have too much invested in the systems now, to go out and start all over again. GRIN. I usually borrow ideas, npcs, etc. from the list. KS --- Dan Eustace wrote: > Mystara and OD&D are all that I play, have played and will play. I'm a die > hard. I don't crank out material for the MML because I'm already overloaded > cranking out stuff for my own campaigns. Hopefully, someday, I'll be able > to get some more of it so that it would be consumable by the rest of the > list. I have 3 games scheduled for next week (but that's highly unusual, > even weekly is rare). As for 3E, I could care less. I mean, I'm glad that > others are into it, and that it keeps Mystara going and gets newer people > into gaming. I'd consider playing in a 3E game if one came my way, but I'm > not planning on buying any products, doing conversions, or any of that. The > old stuff works fine for me. So yes, my Mystara is alive and well with > OD&D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Harvey" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara and OD&D forgotten? > > > > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? > > > > 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some > > ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material > > being cranked out and creativity was soaring. > > > > For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely > > proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left > > behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > > > > Curiously, > > Mike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mike Harvey > > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:57:24 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Marco Fossati Subject: Wow, I'm starting Dming again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow listmembers, let me share this joy of mine with you: This afternoon I'm going to start, as a DM, a new Mystaran campaign!!!! It was since 1999 I'd not runned even a single game... How missed me such joyful days... Cheers, Marco Fossati ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:36:27 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: B10: Night's Dark Terror and more. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have many places listed on my site and so has Shawn...(link section) Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Vinicius R. de Moraes To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:37 AM Subject: [MYSTARA] B10: Night's Dark Terror and more. > >I believe they were talking about B10: Night's Dark Terror. After all, it's > only one of the best adventures ever written for Mystara/OD&D or any > other role-playing > game IMHO. Needless to say, I don't have a copy myself, either :( > > > > - The Stalker > > Uhmmmm... I want it. > > First of all: death... uh... *Hail* to Alpathia! > (YES?) ;-) > > Dear friend Stalker and guys, > how can I get a full list of OD&D + Mystara* products? Now I have the > money > to buy some material monthly (at least!). > > About WHERE to get them, I have already asked and you guys - and Jenny > ;-) - > replied e-bay and auctions... and in this list. Anywhere else? > > * Of course, anything else you guys find interesting would be nice. > > TIA, > vini magus (more "vini cleric", lately). > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:53:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? I'm DMing a Mystaran campaign. I do use stuff created by the listmembers quite often. For example, I've just finished running Jenni's "Jet Black" adventure, and my PCs are now dealing with the Bleak League from Christian Constantin's Hule Gaz. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:31:54 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Harvey wrote: > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? You must remember that this list mostly comes to life when people start = stepping on each others' conceptual toes. Those days when traffic were = heaviest, were days of Thy/Alph bashing, G/E Stefan screaming matches, = SE alignment heated debates, etc. As for new gaming material, I think = you should look no further than to the up and coming final issue of the = Tome of Mystara. I have a feeling that the reason the list hasn't seen = much news lately, is because people have been busy writing articles for = the ToM (at least I hope that's the case!). > For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely > proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left > behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? I, too, still play OD&D Mystara. I've been elsewhere at times, but I = always go back to Mystara eventually, and I've been gaming there = exclusively for the past few years. And I'm not touching 3E, unless it's = thrust forcefully into my face. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:48:00 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? Personally I'm having troubles just remaining on the list. I have too many activities and this is causing problems to my university results. More than once I have thought to unsuscribe, but in the end I always come over to write something for the list, generally re-working on past material that I had written when I was less busy. Now, however, the shelves are empty, so you will probably not see much of me around, apart from the occasional comment. > Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? I have the same OD&D/AD&D mixed campaign going since 1996. Iulius ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:08:51 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jeff Daly Subject: Re: for those who have GAZ3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran it a couple of times. Be sure to read it thoroughly...specific answers below. > In my campaign, a PC is soon to try the graduation test on pages 90-92. I > plan to run the test as presented in the text, but I did have a couple of > questions about it. If anyone has run it before, hopefully I can get some help, > > 1) In addition to what the candidate is told before the test, I am thinking of > adding a couple of things, the first is that the candidate should be told that > anything he is carrying when he walks out of the test is his. It doesn't say > to tell him this, but it would seem a shame if the PC assumed that was not > true. Is this fair, or is it giving too much away? Also, should the candidate > be told that they will be rescued if they are about to die? Since one can > fail and take the test again, those retaking the test would know this, so > maybe every candidate should know this. No, I don't think these things should be explicitly told. The student would be aware of some candidates failing, and some never being seen again. Rumors would abound about failed candidates...but the professors would only say "He failed the test". They would not say, "He died" or "He returned home in shame". I expect the professors would be very closed mouthed about the test...after all, it is partly a show of their own competence and exclusivity. I don't believe you should tell them about the magic items either. Typically they'll be holding most of the stuff anyway...and its always nice to have a player kicking himself about that ultra powerful item he DIDN'T get. > 2) All the encounters seem pretty fair, except for the blackball. Unless > the candidate has some prior knowledge of just what a blackball is and > can do. Now if the wizards of Glantri can use a blackball in their graduation > test, than they know quite a bit about those things. Which means it is > possible that some class at the school, such as Advanced Planar Basics 201, > teaches a few things about a blackball. It is possible that the whole thing is an illusion. The player can be rescued just before he touches the ball, or just after...or he could die forever. That much depends on the overall feel you want for Glantri and goes back to the original question. Students could die in the tests...and the professors would still only say, "He failed". Or they could go home in shame and the announcement would be the same. Either way, the RUMOR of students dying would surely abound. It just depends on whether you want it to be a reality or not. In general, if the characters are able to get good stuff out of an encounter, I allow them to die. > 3) It isn't clear how to get into the rooms through the one-way doors. > The text says that leaving the room through the correct one-way door > means they have to push until they make a strength check. It also says > a knock spell will open a one-way door either way. I would assume that > if the candidate is in a corridor which has the correct one-way door > to go into a room, he should just be able to open it. But the text then says > that if he is trapped in a corridor, a one-way door will open automatically. > This implies that opening a one-way door requires some effort. A knock > spell seems too harsh, as the candidate will have to burn up too many > spells just to get inside the rooms. It can't mean that a one-way door opens > up the wrong way into a room, because the only way out(typically) is then > to return to the corridor you just left. I found the text confusing as well. In the end, a one way door can only be opened the wrong way with a strength check. You should only allow one roll, win or lose. To be fair though, if the character ends up unable to continue due to the doors, then a door might open. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:49:01 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: kevin wyton Subject: Re: Wow, I'm starting Dming again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Marco Fossati >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Wow, I'm starting Dming again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:57:24 +0100 > >Fellow listmembers, >let me share this joy of mine with you: >This afternoon I'm going to start, as a DM, a new Mystaran campaign!!!! >It was since 1999 I'd not runned even a single game... >How missed me such joyful days... > >Cheers, >Marco Fossati > Congratulations Marco Between work,family and volunteering I've only found time to play.I don't seem to have the time to spend on a campaign(at least not the time that running a "good" campaign takes).So know that a t least one lister envies you. Kev >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:50:28 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Personally I'm having troubles just remaining on the list. I have too > many activities and this is > causing problems to my university results. More than once I have thought > to unsuscribe, but > in the end I always come over to write something for the list, generally > re-working on past > material that I had written when I was less busy. Now, however, the > shelves are empty, so you > will probably not see much of me around, apart from the occasional comment. I hear you, man! > I have the same OD&D/AD&D mixed campaign going since 1996. Good job, man. Keep it going, it is well worth it to have a consistant long running campaign. You can always branch off from it (like the spinoffs in Star Trek, for example). My current Campaign started in 1984 and there are still 3 PCs who have continued on. Twenty-four game years have passed and they've been through 95% of the B, X, CM, and M modules, plus lots of my own stuff. The "big 3" are all L36 (F, C, & MU). So far, none has achieved Immortality, but they are all powerful dominion rulers in Norwold. Some followers of theirs adventured off on their own and have been in the HW (during WotI, and trying to find their way home, since 1994 - only 1 of the PCs who came in through the Pit are still present, the rest are HW natives). My other branch campaign is the NextGen, which is the children of the original characters (we never thought that it would get to this point when we 1st started playing!). They started in 1994, too, and are now around L7. What's cool, is the PCs all have a very detailed character history that was actually played through by the original characters. There are secrets and events left unresolved from the original (hi-level) PCs that work incredibily well as adventure hooks for the NextGen. Needless to say, this keeps me pretty busy (3 distinct campaigns all in one). I'm kind of curious - has anyone else on the list been running a campaign for this long? If so, it would be fun to compare notes, and whatnot. Happy gaming. I'm off to celebrate St. Patty's Day! Dan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:51:02 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: B10: Night's Dark Terror and more. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Vinicius R. de Moraes" wrote: >>I believe they were talking about B10: Night's Dark Terror. After all, it's only one of the best adventures ever written for Mystara/OD&D or any other role-playing game IMHO. Needless to say, I don't have a copy myself, either :( >> >> - The Stalker > >Uhmmmm... I want it. > So do I! >First of all: death... uh... *Hail* to Alpathia! >(YES?) ;-) That's right - none of that Thyatis mumbo jumbo mumbling! :) >Dear friend Stalker and guys, Hehe, "friend Stalker"... I like that - the plan is working... ;) >how can I get a full list of OD&D + Mystara* >products? Now I have the money >to buy some material monthly (at least!). > I think Dave Keyser's list on Shawn's site is completely accurate and has all the related products on it, as well as several that even mention Mystara or which just fit Mystara well... Take a look >About WHERE to get them, I have already asked and you >guys - and Jenny ;-) - >replied e-bay and auctions... and in this list. >Anywhere else? (snip rest) If you have a creditcard (VISA or some such), then I would recommend places like . I've done business with myself and have had good experience with that - managed to grab WOTI and several gazetteers there at extremely reasonable prices. Check it out, since some it might still be there! Choose D&D, then AD&D and then the 'Dungeons and Dragons' option under the AD&D listing (yes, it's confusing, but that's where the old stuff is!) - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:00:36 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vini wrote: > Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > I don't play OD&D, but I do play Mystara. I'm the DM of a large Mystara campaign currenlty playing though WOTI using 2e Player Option (modified by my own house rules, yes, but it's definitely still 2e Player Option rules). In fact, the campaign has grown in the last few months, and there are now eight players, which forced me to cut the group into two! The two groups know of each other, and the idea is that PCs may shift from one group to the other freely from time to time (though it hasn't happened yet). In fact, I've just come home after having finished playing with one of them today! So, yes, we still play Mystara. I have some Ravenloft and Birthright stuff lying around, so I could play that if I wanted to, but I guess I'm just stuck on Mystara, despite any 'kind' Thyatian 'assistance' to help me 'leave' ;) Though we play WOTI, I've added stuff to it. Things like my Sword of Wayland article (in Tome #4) and my Calamity Star prophecies froms the basis of some stuff I've made for my campaign to liven things up a bit, and then posted for other people to use as well... - The Stalker Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:45:36 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] I just thought I'd get thisoffmychest On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:47:44 -0000, Angelo Bertolli wrote: >Are they going to re-release it? Maybe they should give us permission to >post it if they aren't. > I think Jim Butler said they might get around to Mystara/OD&D stuff at the very end of 2001, but it's by no means certain. I hope so though. Note, though, that 're-release' means making available for download on the net in this case - there will be no actual reprints of old stuff! They won't let us reproduce it I'm sure, since people have already been hired to do so. Meanwhile, we'll just have to sit here and wait, hard though it may be (and it is!) I don't know if Jim Butler is still on the list, but if you are, Jim, could you confirm or deny this speculation? - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:15:15 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mystara forgotten? NEVER! As for the 3E, I don't know, I've looked into it a little and I like some of the things I see and dislike other stuff, I'm still undecided and tryitng to learn it from what I can get on the net (from Eric Noah's site you can get most of the text of the PHB, If I can just figure how many skill points and feats a character gets I might try running a test game in 3E.). I DM only in Mystara (although I might be persuaded to do a Dragon Mountain or Kara Tur or BR game) and I play mostly in Mystara. I personally use 2E (pre S&P and pre PO or what ever that version 2 of 2E was called, with an occasional OD&D rule thrown in), but it seems most of the list uses strict OD&D, although we're (meaning us 2E'ers) a close second I think (I think there is one or two out there who love AD&D 1E, each to their own I guess, as long as Mystara lives). I'm also testing out the Birthright rules in Mystara, and there's a couple of individuals using other systems in Mystara (HERO, Glaive, and Spelljammer are a few that pop to mind). As for lack of activity on the list, I think it has five factors (there might be others) 1) I think a lot of people might of moved to this MNS thing. Unfortunately I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( 2) Some of us are still too busy poring over the new almanac to do other stuff 3) Some people probaly are currently all consumed with 3E like you said 4) And a while back wasn't there some flame war on the MML that ended up insulting a lot of people who abandoned the list? (I just scroll on through any thing that goes on too long so I dont even read the flame wars, and so I don't really know what happened). and the main reason (at least for myself and I think with many others too) is 5) Real life is getting in the way.... I've just been so busy lately I've even had to pause ALL my PBEM games (I play solely PBEM now because I moved and don't know of any players in the area... anyone in Hanford California area?) everyone else, did I miss any factors? Greg Weatherup Gecko GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/spock/67/index.html http://members.fortunecity.com/Gecko_G/ > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:16:03 +0000 > From: Mike Harvey > Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? > > 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some > ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material > being cranked out and creativity was soaring. > > For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely > proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left > behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > > Curiously, > Mike > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:56:12 -0400 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Steven Carter Subject: Re: Wow, I'm starting Dming again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congradulations. It's been ten years since I GMed a D&D campaign in the Known World and five since I GMed or played at all. However I just started playing in a fantasy campaign and I can't believe I gave it up. I know your elation at GMing again. I'm looking forward to a day this summer when I can get my act, and game together again. Best of luck. May your muse bless your story. Marco Fossati wrote: > Fellow listmembers, > let me share this joy of mine with you: > This afternoon I'm going to start, as a DM, a new Mystaran campaign!!!! > It was since 1999 I'd not runned even a single game... > How missed me such joyful days... > > Cheers, > Marco Fossati > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:45:10 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Fantasy Hero? In-Reply-To: <30828447.984881715349.JavaMail.imail@puffer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greg wrote: > I'm also testing out the Birthright rules in Mystara, and > there's a couple of individuals using other systems in Mystara (HERO, > Glaive, and Spelljammer are a few that pop to mind). Hero? Who's using Hero? Much as I love D&D, Fantasy Hero is the only game I think does heroic fantasy better. I'm looking forward to seeing 5th edition when it comes out this year (hopefully). So who are ya? Speak up! Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:22:17 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Swords And Sorcery Studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Kevin Powers" > > I have found Unearthed Arcana to be immensely useful in adding details > and colour to Mystara, and figured that these books might do the same, > though I would appreciate the opinions of anyone who has bought/used > them. In my opinion the books from Sword and Sorcery Studios are quite interesting but not particularly compatible with Mystara. In particular, "Relics and Rituals" has rules for making arcane spell failure checks even worse (basically to the point that an arcane spellcaster had best be nearly naked when casting arcane spells), but for the Mystara3E project we were looking in the exact opposite direction for ways to deal with armored spellcasting Elves. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:27:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Psionics in Mystara MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Angelo Bertolli" > I'm glad the option is there for unique campaigns, and maybe special > cities.... but.... I really don't think Psionics belong in Mystara in > general. The original rules never included it. I think it should be rare > at best. They were mentioned only in the Savage Coast products, where they seem to substitute for unusual manifestations of the Red Curse. At this point I would keep them on the "back burner" for dealing with the powers of Immortals and fairies and/or stranger Red Curse manifestations but not play them up as an obviously distinct type of mystical power for PCs to exploit -- in the Mystara setting, psionics should seem to be just another form of magic unless there is a vast power scale difference (for example, Immortal vs. mortal). ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:23:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Daniel Mayer Subject: Re: NPC levels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The old question for balance... As most of the others who have answered your question, I think that up to 4th lvl should be "normal", i.e. war verterns, local magi of villages, guard captains, etc. Everthing above should be considered as "hero", for good or evil. The "name"-level represents an aquired status as hero, the PC/NPC is part of the tales told in the taverns. "His name is known". But the levels above 12th (my opinion) the PCs/NPCs are recognized as mighty persons in the region/land they are (A cleric is able to raise the dead!). Of course a 15th lvl karameikan fighter needn�t to be known in Glantri, but a 23th lvl certainly would be, for his tales should have left the land through various bards. So I set NPCs in a campaign as desired: If the PCs are quite mighty (as they are now), normal men (-4th lvl) aren�t a threat anymore. Quantity might bring in a hint of danger, but if there�s any mage in the group... If I would run a NPC pirate ship, it would be a rookie ship for low-level PCs (up to 3rd lvl) but the ship of a reknown pirate for high level PCs (pirates at 4th lvl, lieutenants at 8th+ and the "king of pirates" at any lvl desired (slightly higher than that of the highest level PC). Have a look at the Shire�s GAZ, where a known pirate is Mulgor Loberlinn, 32th lvl hin master (retired).... more than a challenge to every PC... an other names are mentioned (Black Adder Swiftbrand, Jenkin Firebeard, etc). If the pirate ship�s only an "encounter", it should provide fun. Possibly a challenge, but not more. If the pirate ship is the enemy in search of the same artifact your PCs are searching, they should be equal, but not more. A really frightening enemy should then be the guardian of the item... That would privide two hard fights. Enough for a two-day-adventure. Laren Nightmaster Tower of Dreams ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:56:01 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sad as it is, you told EXACTLY what is happening to me, for example: I'm playig Dlance Saga, adapted to the 3e. But, hey, I'm buying Mystara stuff right now! MY CAMPAIGN will keep on being Mystara. It rules! You said "3e activity": where do u see it? Are there lists? Usenet? Are there lists - like this - of other worlds? (not as good as Mystara, obviously...). Look, people, 3e and Mystara are *not* mutually exclusive, for one is a set of rules, the other, a setting. Am I wrong? (what is 3e default campaign world, BTW?) what about he loooong thread "3e Mystara"? Is it being translated? Shall this stop Mike's fear? I mean, 3e and Mystara together, what supposedely would bring attencion back to OUR Wordl? Worried, (!!!) vini. Mike Harvey wrote: > > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? > > 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some > ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material > being cranked out and creativity was soaring. > > For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely > proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left > behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > > Curiously, > Mike > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:21:39 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I agree. I've got the 3 core rules books and the screen. The DMG contaisn useful info for ANY system: how to entertain players, how to design encounters and places - inluding TOWNS, had task - etc. Much like the "Creative Campaigning". So, againg, 3e is not "Bye, OD&D", but a "Get even better, beloved OD&D!". Will keep on reading 3e and taking notes of what is cool. Then, add it to Mystara - which rocks - and keep on going with my "Who-is-this-Bargle-is-it-connected-to-the-Iron-Ring-why-is-that-elf's-ears-sooooo-long-and what-is-that-tatoo???" campaign. We are not leaving!!! Want an example? My 3e, Dlance party talked more than an hour about Hollow World, physics, the poles holes (!!!), elves connection tunnels... they loved it. I tell you, there are more people going INTO Mystara than out! :-) vini. Angelo Bertolli wrote: > > I think it's just taking a while to get going. People still are getting the feel for the new stuff. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Harvey > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:17 PM > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara and OD&D forgotten? > > On this subject, it seems like the list traffic has dropped to a mere > trickle. A year or two ago this was a busy place! What happened? Are > people losing interest? Moving on to 3e in different settings? > > 3e seems to be where the action is these days. It reminds me in some > ways of AD&D/OD&D in the 80s, when there was tons of fan material > being cranked out and creativity was soaring. > > For some reason is seems like the degree of 3e activity is inversely > proportional to activity on this list. Has Mystara gotten left > behind? Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > > Curiously, > Mike > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Harvey > gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) > http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:23:41 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Wow, I'm starting Dming again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I just told you guys? People are coming (back or for the 1st time). This is our Holy Task. Hail to Mystara! Welcome back, fellow brother. :-) vini. Marco Fossati wrote: > > Fellow listmembers, > let me share this joy of mine with you: > This afternoon I'm going to start, as a DM, a new Mystaran campaign!!!! > It was since 1999 I'd not runned even a single game... > How missed me such joyful days... > > Cheers, > Marco Fossati ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:12:53 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Weatherup wrote: > > As for lack of activity on the list, I think it has five factors (there > might be others) > 1) I think a lot of people might of moved to this MNS thing. I doubt it. There are more or less the same people on the MNS as on the MML, and only a few are not on the MML (for lack of spare time, mostly). > Unfortunately > I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( Netscape Mail can read newsgroup, and works on most systems. You could probably find something better for your specific OS, too. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:54:47 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, yes, this is a very important thing to be said. This list, Thibault's and Shawn's site... hey are just excellent and give material to many of us. I use NPCs, places, events... all from them. So, there is no doubt all this stuff is important and the list is alive. The way we design things together, and make it better and better... there is no other way to make our gaming more exciting. I recently used the North Karameikos Guide - wroten by a merchant... rerere - to add flavour to my players. Used Exocet - Diablo - font to the headers, script for the text... it looked great! All thanks to the list. vini. "G.P. Agosta" wrote: > > Mike Harvey wrote: > > > Are we (as a group) still playing in Mystara, or do we just > > talk about it fondly while we play in other campaigns? > > I'm DMing a Mystaran campaign. I do use stuff created by the listmembers > quite often. For example, I've just finished running Jenni's "Jet Black" > adventure, and my PCs are now dealing with the Bleak League from > Christian Constantin's Hule Gaz. > -- > > Giampaolo Agosta ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:08:39 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Digital releases, fanaticism. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm buying MoA and WotI, for instance. Would it b e the same get the PDF files? I have same PFDs from WotC, that one from the FORBIDDEN - because of a "rape" - adventure etc. Just because thre was no way I could get it on paper. Smelling the maps, kissing the box... is it the same? (Yes, I'm a die-hard!) Apart from this: does the digital material bring EVERYTHING the original one did? vini. PS: Your campaign, the Players Option (with the CD), breaking the party in 2... exactly the same, Stalker!!! The Stalker wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:47:44 -0000, Angelo Bertolli > wrote: > > >Are they going to re-release it? Maybe they should give us permission to > >post it if they aren't. > > > > I think Jim Butler said they might get around to Mystara/OD&D stuff at the > very end of 2001, but it's by no means certain. I hope so though. Note, > though, that 're-release' means making available for download on the net in > this case - there will be no actual reprints of old stuff! They won't let > us reproduce it I'm sure, since people have already been hired to do so. > Meanwhile, we'll just have to sit here and wait, hard though it may be (and > it is!) > > I don't know if Jim Butler is still on the list, but if you are, Jim, could > you confirm or deny this speculation? > > - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:19:05 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Weatherup wrote: > > Mystara forgotten? NEVER! > > As for the 3E, I don't know, I've looked into it a little and I like some of > the things I see and dislike other stuff, I'm still undecided and tryitng to > learn it from what I can get on the net (from Eric Noah's site you can get > most of the text of the PHB, If I can just figure how many skill points and > feats a character gets I might try running a test game in 3E.). I DM only > in Mystara (although I might be persuaded to do a Dragon Mountain or Kara > Tur or BR game) and I play mostly in Mystara. I personally use 2E (pre S&P > and pre PO or what ever that version 2 of 2E was called, with an occasional > OD&D rule thrown in), but it seems most of the list uses strict OD&D, > although we're (meaning us 2E'ers) a close second I think (I think there is > one or two out there who love AD&D 1E, each to their own I guess, as long as > Mystara lives). I'm also testing out the Birthright rules in Mystara, and > there's a couple of individuals using other systems in Mystara (HERO, > Glaive, and Spelljammer are a few that pop to mind). PO was a nice thing, was a "GURPS-Vampire..." flavour to D&D: points, changing default races and classes... cool. > As for lack of activity on the list, I think it has five factors (there > might be others) > 1) I think a lot of people might of moved to this MNS thing. Unfortunately > I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( WHAT is MNS?? > 2) Some of us are still too busy poring over the new almanac to do other > stuff > 3) Some people probaly are currently all consumed with 3E like you said They will caome back with ideas which will improve the lsit. Just wait. I've read some threads about 3rd ed. feats, here. and this is just the beginning. :-D > 4) And a while back wasn't there some flame war on the MML that ended up > insulting a lot of people who abandoned the list? (I just scroll on through > any thing that goes on too long so I dont even read the flame wars, and so I > don't really know what happened). > and the main reason (at least for myself and I think with many others too) > is Who quit and came back? Who quit and did not come back? Could we call them? I would pay 5 buck s a month (267 * 5 = 1335) for a moderator. > 5) Real life is getting in the way.... I've just been so busy lately I've > even had to pause ALL my PBEM games (I play solely PBEM now because I moved > and don't know of any players in the area... anyone in Hanford California > area?) Yes, real life. How do u guys deal with the "Choose: RPG or me!!!" factor? :-((( Bring your girls to play? How to make a IDEAL game for a newbie? The 1st impression is the lasting one, for SURE: one did not like the 1st, there shall be no 2nd. How to make a SIMPLE and lovely game so they - our girls - will LOVE the game and will keeo on playing, willl uh... ask for more (sorry, Jenny)? CD boxes? The phrase "Tonight is a verrrrrry speciallll night: tonight is the Night of the Vampirrrrrre!" with the terrific pipe organ... yes, the CDs were designed to bring people onto play. Is there a better way? > everyone else, did I miss any factors? > > Greg Weatherup I don't think so. vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:59:38 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? In-Reply-To: <3AB4BE71.2459D364@engineer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > You said "3e activity": where do u see it? Are there lists? Usenet? > Are there lists - like this - of other worlds? (not as good as Mystara, > obviously...). Many places: Eric Noah's, rec.games.frp.dnd, DND-L, various sites... There are tons of new campaigns, and most of the old lists have been rejuvenated with fresh activity. Even Dragon magazine finally has some decent content with usable new material. > Look, people, 3e and Mystara are *not* mutually exclusive, for one is a > set of rules, the other, a setting. Am I wrong? (what is 3e default > campaign world, BTW?) I didn't mean to suggest exclusion. Personally I think 3e is probably the best version of D&D yet published, and the closest to 1e in flavor (which is good -- I like the Sword & Sorcery feel). That's not to say people should switch if they're happy with what they're using: tastes vary. I just thought that maybe those that were switching were also drifting to other settings. > what about he loooong thread "3e Mystara"? Is it being translated? Shall > this stop Mike's fear? I mean, 3e and Mystara together, what supposedely > would bring attencion back to OUR Wordl? That would be great. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:29:22 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > > > You said "3e activity": where do u see it? Are there lists? Usenet? > > Are there lists - like this - of other worlds? (not as good as Mystara, > > obviously...). > > Many places: Eric Noah's What? Where? > rec.games.frp.dnd Know this one. > DND-L What? Where? > various sites... What? Where? > There are tons of new campaigns, and most of the old lists have been > rejuvenated with fresh activity. Even Dragon magazine finally has > some decent content with usable new material. I'm thinking about buying the 250 numbers compile CD. Good? (snip) > Mike vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:36:46 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:29:22 -0300, Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: >Mike Harvey wrote: >> >> > You said "3e activity": where do u see it? Are there lists? Usenet? >> > Are there lists - like this - of other worlds? (not as good as Mystara, >> > obviously...). >> >> Many places: Eric Noah's > >What? Where? > Here: >> rec.games.frp.dnd > >Know this one. > >> DND-L > >What? Where? > Check out and find dnd- l. You can look through the archives of the various dnd-related lists hosted by wizards or join them from here I think, including this one! dnd-l is a huge list, though! I used to subscribe myself and we were about 1,200 people across the world (I left about half a year ago because I didn't like the prospect of 3e...) >> various sites... > >What? Where? > Not sure, but IIRC there is a 'links' section on Eric Noah's site, which should give you lots of places to look. >> There are tons of new campaigns, and most of the old lists have been >> rejuvenated with fresh activity. Even Dragon magazine finally has >> some decent content with usable new material. > >I'm thinking about buying the 250 numbers compile CD. Good? > It's no good for 3e since the first 250 issues were before it's time. If you want good roleplaying background, particularly on Mystara, there is no way you can survive without it though! :) Though I have more than a hundred of the old issues, I bought this myself recently, and I haven't regretted it - 5 cd-roms packed with stuff! For Mystara fans, the 'Voyage of the Princess Ark' series by Bruce Heard might be the most interesting, but there are certainly other intersting Mystara-related articles and bits in there! It's an expensive investment (I bought it because the store gave a 25% discount on it), but it's still money well spent! - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:51:55 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Mystara-related articles and bits in there! It's an expensive investment (I >bought it because the store gave a 25% discount on it), but it's still >money well spent! > I got mine for around $30.00 at Electronics Boutique. Check around before you buy. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:25:44 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? Has anyone else been experiencing trouble with mystara.com.bi ?? Everytime I try to go there, I'm told the page isn't available! Anything you can do about this, Thib? - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:59:01 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well from now on it's mystara.fr.st because Burundi has reclaimed ownership of the .bi suffix.... so update your bookmarks...(just check my signature file) Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: The Stalker To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? > Has anyone else been experiencing trouble with mystara.com.bi ?? Everytime > I try to go there, I'm told the page isn't available! > > Anything you can do about this, Thib? > > > > - The Stalker > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:49:11 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does not work to me, either. vini. The Stalker wrote: > > Has anyone else been experiencing trouble with mystara.com.bi ?? Everytime > I try to go there, I'm told the page isn't available! > > Anything you can do about this, Thib? > > - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:19:02 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you a re reading this and have not yet gone there - and to Shawn's -, u are wasting time. Have just gone there - again - and found more info about products I'm buying. Hugs to u all. vini. thibault sarlat wrote: > > Well from now on it's mystara.fr.st because Burundi has reclaimed ownership > of the .bi suffix.... > so update your bookmarks...(just check my signature file) > > Thibault Sarlat. > ICQ 16622177. > homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st > Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr > or at clenarius@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:21:13 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Mystara Ring of sites? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thibault, does not you site belong to a "ring"? (not the _Iron_ Ring, hehehe) Guys, is there a Mystara ring of sites? vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:26:10 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Mystara Ring of sites? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, there is a Web Ring. Here is the link to the "hub": http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=mystara&id=62&next5 There's quite a few good sites out there! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Mystara Ring of sites? > Thibault, does not you site belong to a "ring"? (not the _Iron_ Ring, > hehehe) > > Guys, is there a Mystara ring of sites? > > vini. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:29:04 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? In-Reply-To: <3AB4BE71.2459D364@engineer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 18 Mar 2001, at 10:56, Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > Look, people, 3e and Mystara are *not* mutually exclusive, for one is a > set of rules, the other, a setting. Am I wrong? (what is 3e default > campaign world, BTW?) > what about he loooong thread "3e Mystara"? Is it being translated? Shall > this stop Mike's fear? I mean, 3e and Mystara together, what supposedely > would bring attencion back to OUR Wordl? > > Worried, (!!!) Don't be worried Vini, and stop your fears Mike, the Mystara 3E Project team is alive and well, if a bit slow off the starting block. Things seem to have taken a definite turn for the better in recent months, and some real decisions are finally getting made regarding certain conversion details. Keep an eye out, there's a chance some "official conversion material" will be available on the web in the not-too-distant future. Jenni PS: Anyone with interest in finding out what we're up to and maybe getting involved, check my sig on this message for our yahoo! groups web site. =JAMM -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- Benevolent Despot of the Mystara 3E Project M3E Project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mystara3E ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:28:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the virtual DNS is www.mystara.fr.st and if not working the real address is http://perso.club-internet.fr/thibsylv/index.htm Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Vinicius R. de Moraes To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Problems with Mystara.com.bi ? > If you a re reading this and have not yet gone there - and to Shawn's -, > u are wasting time. > > Have just gone there - again - and found more info about products I'm > buying. > > Hugs to u all. > vini. > > thibault sarlat wrote: > > > > Well from now on it's mystara.fr.st because Burundi has reclaimed ownership > > of the .bi suffix.... > > so update your bookmarks...(just check my signature file) > > > > Thibault Sarlat. > > ICQ 16622177. > > homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st > > Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr > > or at clenarius@hotmail.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:03:57 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ryan Seratt Subject: Re: Fantasy Hero? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/01 8:46:07 PM Mountain Standard Time, gm@DSL-ONLY.NET writes: > We were using AD&D with the Hero magic system for awhile. But now, we have gone 3rd edition. Ryan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:15:25 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Digital releases, fanaticism. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > > > Apart from this: does the digital material bring EVERYTHING the original > one did? AFAIK, it is so. Maps and stuff like that is stuck at the end of the pdf.-- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:22:09 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > > PO was a nice thing, was a "GURPS-Vampire..." flavour to D&D: points, > changing default races and classes... cool. If one can keep it out of the players' hands, perhaps :P >> As for lack of activity on the list, I think it has five factors (there >> might be others) >> 1) I think a lot of people might of moved to this MNS thing. Unfortunately >> I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( > > WHAT is MNS?? A Mystaran newsgroup at the news.dnd.starflung.com server. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:45:04 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Ogg.: [MYSTARA] for those who have GAZ3 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 One more problem: my PCs assumed they had to get out in as little moves as possible: that was a very elegant way to get out, very Wizard-like: but it's absolutely not rewarding if you look at the score table. I guess the scores should definitely be reviewed, by giving MUCH more value to a shorter number of moves/visited rooms: a good Mage doesn't behave like a Barbarian, right? Federico Il Fri, 16 March 2001, Dave Keyser ha scritto: > > In my campaign, a PC is soon to try the graduation test on pages 90-92. I > plan to run the test as presented in the text, but I did have a couple of > questions about it. If anyone has run it before, hopefully I can get some help, > > 1) In addition to what the candidate is told before the test, I am thinking of > adding a couple of things, the first is that the candidate should be told that > anything he is carrying when he walks out of the test is his. It doesn't say > to tell him this, but it would seem a shame if the PC assumed that was not > true. Is this fair, or is it giving too much away? Also, should the candidate > be told that they will be rescued if they are about to die? Since one can > fail and take the test again, those retaking the test would know this, so > maybe every candidate should know this. > > 2) All the encounters seem pretty fair, except for the blackball. Unless > the candidate has some prior knowledge of just what a blackball is and > can do. Now if the wizards of Glantri can use a blackball in their graduation > test, than they know quite a bit about those things. Which means it is > possible that some class at the school, such as Advanced Planar Basics 201, > teaches a few things about a blackball. > > But here is my dilemma, if the PC doesn't know what a blackball is, one > misstep, and he is gone forever. But if he knows too much, he can use the > blackball to start demolishing the dungeon where the test takes place. > Since much of the test involves the obstacles of the doors, this gets lost > if the blackball just burns a hole through all of them. > > 3) It isn't clear how to get into the rooms through the one-way doors. > The text says that leaving the room through the correct one-way door > means they have to push until they make a strength check. It also says > a knock spell will open a one-way door either way. I would assume that > if the candidate is in a corridor which has the correct one-way door > to go into a room, he should just be able to open it. But the text then says > that if he is trapped in a corridor, a one-way door will open automatically. > This implies that opening a one-way door requires some effort. A knock > spell seems too harsh, as the candidate will have to burn up too many > spells just to get inside the rooms. It can't mean that a one-way door opens > up the wrong way into a room, because the only way out(typically) is then > to return to the corridor you just left. > > So my question is, how did anyone address this. To get in a room, is it > just a matter of making the strength check, or something more involved? > > Dave Keyser > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:59:18 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Ogg.: Re: [MYSTARA] Mystara and OD&D forgotten? Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 I am currently playing OD&D Mystara with a group of 4 people (including me) on a weekly basis (ab.3-4 hours session). We are considering starting a 3E campaign, but we prefer to fully use our OD&D material first: it will take at least one full year, since we are campaigning in DotE and still have to play through CoM and WotI (only done WotI part 1). So... we're not in a hurry for 3E. Federico AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:51:41 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: I want you for the MA Team! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everyone, I hope you that you have read most, if not all, of the Mystaran Almanac AC 1017, and enjoyed it. Like every year we are recruiting new contributors for the next almanac, so our elders have new blood to replace those they have bled dry previously... So, what kind of people are we in need for? Well, that's fairly easy: people who like Mystara, obviously, who are particularly interested in a few nations they would be most eager to write for, who have enough free time to contribute the team effort, and in a perfect world who are deeply knowldegdeable about Mystaran canon and non-canon especially, naturally, the PWAs and MAs. So, do you match all criteria? Well, why aren't you part of the team already, we desperately need you! Or maybe you match only part of these criteria, and are afraid to join because you fear you won't know enough about the setting or the MA-timeline to be of any use? Well don't worry - you enthusiasm will most certainly more than make up for it. If you have artistic talent, then we also need your skill to help in illustrating the almanac. If you are interested, please contact me (hmusseau@yahoo.com) or Geoff (GANDERG@tc.gc.ca). ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:40:28 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Master of the Desert Nomads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" To the two lads for whom I purchased the Master of the Desert Nomads modules- They're both here waiting for a loving, caring family to take good care of them. Please get in contact with me as soon as you can. Thanks, The Viktor Von Hendriks Adoption Society -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:06:49 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: Master of the Desert Nomads In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, ramhog wrote: > The Viktor Von Hendriks Adoption Society Sounds like an agency that matches loving parents with blood-lusting orc-children of their dreams. ^_^. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:20:19 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Greg Weatherup Subject: newsreaders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, in that case, does anybody know of any good newsgroup newsreaders for Windows 98 using IE 5 (and a web based email account, if that matters)? or is there a way to use netscape mail without having to have netscape navigator? Greg Weatherup Gecko GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/spock/67/index.html http://members.fortunecity.com/Gecko_G/ Agathokles wrote: > > > Unfortunately > > I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( > > Netscape Mail can read newsgroup, and works on most systems. You could > probably find something better for your specific OS, too. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:21:39 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A. M. Merrifield" Subject: Re: newsreaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Outlook express can be used to read newsgroups too. Jenni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Weatherup" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 14:20 Subject: [MYSTARA] newsreaders > Well, in that case, does anybody know of any good newsgroup newsreaders for > Windows 98 using IE 5 (and a web based email account, if that matters)? > > or is there a way to use netscape mail without having to have netscape > navigator? > > Greg Weatherup > Gecko > GWxup@excite.com > Gecko_G@email.com > http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/spock/67/index.html > http://members.fortunecity.com/Gecko_G/ > > Agathokles wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately > > > I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( > > > > Netscape Mail can read newsgroup, and works on most systems. You could > > probably find something better for your specific OS, too. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:33:04 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Greg Weatherup Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit vini wrote, in reply to my message: > > > > Mystara forgotten? NEVER! > > > > As for the 3E, I don't know, I've looked into it a little and I like some of > > the things I see and dislike other stuff, I'm still undecided and tryitng to > > learn it from what I can get on the net (from Eric Noah's site you can get > > most of the text of the PHB, If I can just figure how many skill points and > > feats a character gets I might try running a test game in 3E.). I DM only > > in Mystara (although I might be persuaded to do a Dragon Mountain or Kara > > Tur or BR game) and I play mostly in Mystara. I personally use 2E (pre S&P > > and pre PO or what ever that version 2 of 2E was called, with an occasional > > OD&D rule thrown in), but it seems most of the list uses strict OD&D, > > although we're (meaning us 2E'ers) a close second I think (I think there is > > one or two out there who love AD&D 1E, each to their own I guess, as long as > > Mystara lives). I'm also testing out the Birthright rules in Mystara, and > > there's a couple of individuals using other systems in Mystara (HERO, > > Glaive, and Spelljammer are a few that pop to mind). > > PO was a nice thing, was a "GURPS-Vampire..." flavour to D&D: points, > changing default races and classes... cool. I guess some people did like the PO stuff.... Each to their own. If you got it to work, more power to you and to Mystara. > > > As for lack of activity on the list, I think it has five factors (there > > might be others) > > 1) I think a lot of people might of moved to this MNS thing. Unfortunately > > I don't have a program that will do Newsgroups, :( > > WHAT is MNS?? Agathokles already answered this one I believe. > > > 2) Some of us are still too busy poring over the new almanac to do other > > stuff > > 3) Some people probaly are currently all consumed with 3E like you said > > They will caome back with ideas which will improve the lsit. Just wait. > I've read some threads about 3rd ed. feats, here. and this is just the > beginning. > :-D Yeah, I think feats might be nice (might being the key word, I still can't figure out all the details, like how many do characters get, when do they get new one's, how often can they use them, what's this about regional feat choices, etc, etc). > > > 4) And a while back wasn't there some flame war on the MML that ended up > > insulting a lot of people who abandoned the list? (I just scroll on through > > any thing that goes on too long so I dont even read the flame wars, and so I > > don't really know what happened). > > and the main reason (at least for myself and I think with many others too) > > is > > Who quit and came back? > Who quit and did not come back? Could we call them? Liek I said, I didn't follow it too closely. I think Beau was one one of the ones that left and came back, other than that I'm not sure. > I would pay 5 buck s a month (267 * 5 = 1335) for a moderator. we have one, Geoff. he took over from Leroy a while back. (Geoff- did you decide on a title, is it 'List Ogre II' or what? :) > > > 5) Real life is getting in the way.... I've just been so busy lately I've > > even had to pause ALL my PBEM games (I play solely PBEM now because I moved > > and don't know of any players in the area... anyone in Hanford California > > area?) > > Yes, real life. > How do u guys deal with the "Choose: RPG or me!!!" factor? :-((( > Bring your girls to play? I'm afraid your on your own there, as it's never happened to me yet... Let me know how it works out though (who knows what I might be faced with in the future in that regard. ;) > > How to make a IDEAL game for a newbie? The 1st impression is the lasting > one, for SURE: one did not like the 1st, there shall be no 2nd. How to > make a SIMPLE and lovely game so they - our girls - will LOVE the game > and will keeo on playing, willl uh... ask for more (sorry, Jenny)? > CD boxes? The phrase "Tonight is a verrrrrry speciallll night: tonight > is the Night of the Vampirrrrrre!" with the terrific pipe organ... yes, > the CDs were designed to bring people onto play. Is there a better way? > > > everyone else, did I miss any factors? > > I don't think so. > vinni Greg Weatherup Gecko GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/spock/67/index.html http://members.fortunecity.com/Gecko_G/ _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:39:30 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Master of the Desert Nomads In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, ramhog wrote: > >> The Viktor Von Hendriks Adoption Society > >Sounds like an agency that matches loving parents with blood-lusting >orc-children of their dreams. ^_^. > We try to help young couples who can't have orclets of their own. In April we'll be having a pledge drive. Remember-there's a little orc or goblin out there somewhere that needs your help. Give till it hurts, VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:39:22 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: VVH Adoption MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> The Viktor Von Hendriks Adoption Society > > > >Sounds like an agency that matches loving parents with blood-lusting > >orc-children of their dreams. ^_^. > > > > We try to help young couples who can't have orclets of their own. In > April we'll be having a pledge drive. Remember-there's a little orc > or goblin out there somewhere that needs your help. I know a Shadow Elf couple who can't keep their baby (or so the shamans say)... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:49:31 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: VVH Adoption In-Reply-To: <002c01c0b0f7$bc8cd210$0265da18@D56DN901> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >> The Viktor Von Hendriks Adoption Society >> > >> >Sounds like an agency that matches loving parents with blood-lusting >> >orc-children of their dreams. ^_^. >> > >> >> We try to help young couples who can't have orclets of their own. In >> April we'll be having a pledge drive. Remember-there's a little orc >> or goblin out there somewhere that needs your help. > >I know a Shadow Elf couple who can't keep their baby (or so the shamans >say)... > LOL -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:16:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: MA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, i will gladly contribute to the 1018 almanac, and i was yet planning to = write to you and Geoff. I would like to write something about the north = western corner of Davania, particulary Pelatan, Izonda and Mis. I've = written articles about those nations and Shawn has published them on his = site. I would like to exchange opinions with Geoff about this because he = draw a beatiful map of the zone putting on it many places without = explanation. Besides i know all the almanacs and i could write on any = subject of the known world. Unfortunately i cannot illustrate, i haven't = any artistic talent : - ) I'll post this reply to you, Geoff and the list Bye =20 Francesco ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:35:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: great stuff on ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this guy has almost everything. too bad he doesn't accept paypal.... but for US citizens it's a must see!!!!! all gaz.... http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=arcstorm&in clude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 hope this will help Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:10:18 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Matthew Wang Subject: Knight of Newt In-Reply-To: <000f01c0b16c$8e2d6d60$9e789ec2@duke> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of stuff on sale... Has anyone ever been able to find this? I think it was a "Challenger" module and I have only seen it once on Ebay. Anyone have any details on it? Thanks, Matt Wang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:20:48 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Knight of Newt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, that module has nothing to do with Mystara proper. It takes place in the Thunder Rift setting devised to support the D&D Game box (11th edition, an introductory version of the RC with details for character levels 1-5). The adventure is short, and quite bad IMO: just a small dungeon crawl with not too much of a climax or plot. It takes place in a ruined and half-sunken keep. It has a lot of counters and the map takes the shape of a big floorplan to move your counters or miniatures around... it reveals the whole of the dungeon layout to the players, so it's a pain and not too much role-playing, unless you scissor the map or use covering sheets. Oh, if you buy a used version anyway, make sure it has the poster map, otherwise you won't have a way of running the adventure!! Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:30:52 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello felow Mystarans. I am in GREAT need of coming up with a realistic system that could model the yearly weather temperatures/patterns of the Known World region of Mystara. I was wondering if anyone would know of a site/a program that has this information. Or if the info was in a paper-format ,if they were willing to perhaps email me some of the die rolls/techniques that go into the determination of the annual weather patterns for one or two nations such as Glantri or Karameikos ( I do realize that typing the weather systems for more than 15 countries in the Known World would be too much) I would be so ever grateful. Hopefully I can use those examples then as a springboard for me to come up with realistic systems for the other nations of the Known World. I would REALLY appreciate it if someone can help me with this. >From what I hear some sort of weather system is written on the margins of the Trail Maps but I do not own them (as much as I would love to!) and they are EXCESSIVELY difficult to obtain on ebay. If someone would not mind to share some of the weather info off of that for say ,Glantri, that would help me A LOT. Thanks. Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:52:01 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I started something like this a while back, but never really finished. This doesn't really follow canon, but the basic premise I was going on was that the Known World is sort of similar to the eastern United States, with modifications. For example: Tothmeer ~ Baton Rouge, LA Specularum ~ Mobile, AL Thyatis City ~ Talahassee, FL Soderfjord ~ New York, NY Darokin City ~ Oklahoma City, OK Ethengar ~ Pierre, SD Broken Lands ~ Rapid City, SD Sind, SE coast ~ Galveston, TX Sind, Great Salt Swamp ~ San Antonio, TX Great Waste ~ Las Vegas, NV Adri Varma Plateau ~ Boise, ID For some places that don't fit the pattern due to mountains or magic, I'd choose something that seemed appropriate: Ylaruam ~ Yuma, AZ Glantri ~ Minneapolis, MN Thyatis City ~ Macon, GA Alfheim Town ~ Little Rock, AR Minrothad ~ Talahassee, FL Ierendi ~ Key West, FL Selenica ~ Nashville, TN Atruaghin Plateau ~ Cheyenne, WY Rockhome - Knoxville, TN Anyway, once you've established a general correspondence with real world places, you can simply use RW climate data. Here is a good source: http://www.met.utah.edu/jhorel/html/wx/climate/normrain.html http://www.met.utah.edu/jhorel/html/wx/climate/normtemp.html You can also figure broad patterns apply as well. For example, there might a "tornado alley" in Darokin. Hurricanes would probably blow in off the Sea of Dread in the summer and hit Thyatis... but Ylaruam is probably sheltered by the Isle of Dawn. Karameikos would have a summer rainy season but a slightly drier winter. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:07:38 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I used some idea similar to Michael's, only that instead of using US equivalences according to KW geography I made a list of world matches which followed the weather descriptions featured in the GAZ and PWA, then I could check weather through the world via internet. EG, I used Switzerland and Austria for Glantri, Germany's Black Forest area for Alfheim, Syria-Palestine-Lebanon-Jordan-Israel for Ylaruam, France for Darokin, Spain for mainland Thyatis and so on so on... that's a bit rough, but normally PCs don't travel like planes, so they cannot see cross-continent congruent patterns. That was when I got on the www, before that I just used the weather we had in real life when gaming... sunny if it was sunny, storm if storm outside our gaming den (once it was a sandstorm in the desert!!). Unless the story asked for specific weather, it was kinda cool having pouring rain in the game when you could hear it outside. Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:35:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! In-Reply-To: <200103210130.RAA22827@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hello felow Mystarans. > > I am in GREAT need of coming up with a realistic system that could >model the yearly weather temperatures/patterns of the Known World >region of Mystara. Don't the two Trail Maps have weather info on them? I remember at least one of them having something about weather in the Known World at any rate. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:46:28 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: newsreaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Greg Weatherup" > Well, in that case, does anybody know of any good newsgroup newsreaders for > Windows 98 using IE 5 (and a web based email account, if that matters)? > > or is there a way to use netscape mail without having to have netscape > navigator? I have found Outlook Express (which apparently comes free with Windows 98) to be quite adequate for the purpose of accessing Usenet newsgroups. The locations you will want to point it at are news.dnd.starflung.com and rpg.hmimages.com. The first of these two will have nothing but a very active group discussing D&D/Mystara, while the second will have a large number of groups that are not yet very active, one of which is dedicated to Mystara. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:23:38 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just subscribed. :) Congratulations on your efforts! vini. "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" wrote: > > On 18 Mar 2001, at 10:56, Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: > > Look, people, 3e and Mystara are *not* mutually exclusive, for one is a > > set of rules, the other, a setting. Am I wrong? (what is 3e default > > campaign world, BTW?) > > what about he loooong thread "3e Mystara"? Is it being translated? Shall > > this stop Mike's fear? I mean, 3e and Mystara together, what supposedely > > would bring attencion back to OUR Wordl? > > > > Worried, (!!!) > > Don't be worried Vini, and stop your fears Mike, the Mystara 3E Project > team is alive and well, if a bit slow off the starting block. > > Things seem to have taken a definite turn for the better in recent > months, and some real decisions are finally getting made regarding certain > conversion details. Keep an eye out, there's a chance some "official > conversion material" will be available on the web in the not-too-distant > future. > > Jenni > > PS: Anyone with interest in finding out what we're up to and maybe getting > involved, check my sig on this message for our yahoo! groups web site. > =JAMM > -- > Jenni A. M. Merrifield > -=> strawberryJAMM <=- > Benevolent Despot of the Mystara 3E Project > M3E Project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mystara3E > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:29:37 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: VVH Adoption In-Reply-To: <002c01c0b0f7$bc8cd210$0265da18@D56DN901> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" C'mon, you guys- I couldn't possibly be the only one on this list who thought that Shadow Elf line was funny! > > We try to help young couples who can't have orclets of their own. In >> April we'll be having a pledge drive. Remember-there's a little orc >> or goblin out there somewhere that needs your help. > >I know a Shadow Elf couple who can't keep their baby (or so the shamans >say)... > -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:28:13 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: WotI. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are thre parts I and II? I've just bought it and don't understand exactly. (No, I'm NOT that stupid! I haven't seen it yet... I will in 2 weeks, probably.) ;-) vini. Federico Kaftal wrote: > > I am currently playing OD&D Mystara with a group of 4 people (including me) on a weekly basis (ab.3-4 hours session). We are considering starting a 3E campaign, but we prefer to fully use our OD&D material first: it will take at least one full year, since we are campaigning in DotE and still have to play through CoM and WotI (only done WotI part 1). So... we're not in a hurry for 3E. > > Federico ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:44:02 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: Master of the Desert Nomads MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have I already told you guays that I'm buying Mystara stuff for my - and my players's - use? Again: u sell, I buy. Thanks. vini. PS: I'll check this item you are tlaking about on Shawn's site, as well as on Thib's. ramhog wrote: > > To the two lads for whom I purchased the Master of the Desert Nomads modules- > > They're both here waiting for a loving, caring family to take good > care of them. Please get in contact with me as soon as you can. > > Thanks, > The Viktor Von Hendriks Adoption Society ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:46:20 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a table from GAZ 11 (Darokin): Roll d% (-15 dry season, +15 wet season) 01-30 Clear 31-40 Partly cloudy 41-45 Overcast 46-50 Unseasonably Hot 56-60 Windy 61-65 Volatile (make 3 additional checks for that day) 66-70 Storm 71-73 Thunderstorms 74 Severe T-Storm 75 Tornado 76-85 Drizzle 86-95 Light Rain 96+ Heavy rain Effects of these on movement, etc. are detailed in the GAZ. >From PWA2+3: Avg. Temp. for Darokin City (F): Winter: 35-50 Spring: 45-65 Summer: 75-85 Autumn: 40-60 (Rainy season) PWA3 has some good weather forecasts for different regions (pp.121-127) Minrothad GAZ also has a weather system. Hopefully, you have at least one of these products! Let me know if you need any more details. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramses Ramirez" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! > Hello felow Mystarans. > > I am in GREAT need of coming up with a realistic system that could model the yearly weather temperatures/patterns of the Known World region of Mystara. I was wondering if anyone would know of a site/a program that has this information. Or if the info was in a paper-format ,if they were willing to perhaps email me some of the die rolls/techniques that go into the determination of the annual weather patterns for one or two nations such as Glantri or Karameikos ( I do realize that typing the weather systems for more than 15 countries in the Known World would be too much) I would be so ever grateful. Hopefully I can use those examples then as a springboard for me to come up with realistic systems for the other nations of the Known World. I would REALLY appreciate it if someone can help me with this. > > From what I hear some sort of weather system is written on the margins of the Trail Maps but I do not own them (as much as I would love to!) and they are EXCESSIVELY difficult to obtain on ebay. If someone would not mind to share some of the weather info off of that for say ,Glantri, that would help me A LOT. Thanks. > > Lancer > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:40:16 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Ogg.: [MYSTARA] WotI. Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 WotI is divided in 2 books: one is Immortal Rules (revised), the oder is a huge adventure module ("Wrath of the Immortals" - from which the acronym WotI). The adventure is divided in Part I, Part II and Finale (Part III). Hope this helps, Federico __________________ Il Wed, 21 March 2001, "Vinicius R. de Moraes" ha scritto: > > Are thre parts I and II? > I've just bought it and don't understand exactly. > > (No, I'm NOT that stupid! I haven't seen it yet... I will in 2 weeks, > probably.) ;-) > > vini. > > Federico Kaftal wrote: > > > > I am currently playing OD&D Mystara with a group of 4 people (including me) on a weekly basis (ab.3-4 hours session). We are considering starting a 3E campaign, but we prefer to fully use our OD&D material first: it will take at least one full year, since we are campaigning in DotE and still have to play through CoM and WotI (only done WotI part 1). So... we're not in a hurry for 3E. > > > > Federico > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:58:52 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ramses Ramirez wrote: >> From what I hear some sort of weather system is written on the = margins of the Trail Maps but I do not own them (as much as I would love = to!) and they are EXCESSIVELY difficult to obtain on ebay. If someone = would not mind to share some of the weather info off of that for say = ,Glantri, that would help me A LOT. Thanks.<< Well, being the nice guy I am, I'm willing to share all of it with you = (and the rest of the list, if anybody else is interested). It'll look = like crap using Times New Roman since it consists of tables, you do the = clean-up work. Keep in mind that it's for AC1000, so you'll find = Alphatia and Alfheim (not Aengmor). Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk --- Checking the weather Roll 1d%, and an extra d10. Temperature On the main weather chart is given hi-lo temperatures for a given = season. Hi is for the beginning of the afternoon, lo just before dawn. = For flexibility add the extra d10 to summer/spring temp., subtract it = from fall/winter temp. Temp. is in degrees Fahrenheit. Precipitation On the main weather chart P indicates the chance of precipitation. Temp. = governs whether it's rain, melting snow or snow. Add the two percentile = dice for duration in hours. The second digit indicates intensity (see = chart). The extra d10 indicates wind strength (see chart). A roll of 00 = indicates hurricane, tornado, damaging hail, or extreme temp. for the = region. Precipitation chart Die roll Precipitation Snow Accumulation = Wind Strength 1-2 Drizzle, or Flurries Traces = Little or none 3-6 Light Rain, or Snow 1-6" total* = Moderate Breeze 7-9 Heavy Rain, or Snow 1" per hour* = Strong Breeze 10+ Thunderstorm, or Snowstorm 2" per hour* = High Winds * Double in hills, Triple in mountains Timing precipitation Multiply the result on the extra d10 by 2. This indicates at what time = precipitation starts. It will carry over to the next day. Second day's = precipitation should be calculated from the end of first day's = precipitation instead of the default hour (12am). If this moves second = day's precipitation into third day, precipitation for day 2 is = cancelled, the sky remains overcast. Fog On the main weather chart D indicates the chance of fog at dawn or dusk = only; N indicates fog during night hours as well. Switch percentiles of = the d% roll to check for fog. Multiply the numbers of the d% to find the = distance (in feet) to which vision is limited. Fog lasts 1d4 hours. = Precipitation immediately ends fog. Winds If fog exists, winds are absent during those hours. High winds indicate = violent weather. Reduce temperature by 1d6+9 degrees when high winds are = blowing. Wind strength is +1 when 24 miles or more away from any coast. = Roll again for winds each time precipitation or fog status changes. = Check the dominant wind currents, then roll on the wind variations chart = to find actual wind direction. Wind variations Roll 1d20* 1-11 Dominant wind. 12-13 Shift one, clockwise 14-15 Shift one, counter-clockwise 16 Shift two, clockwise 17 Shift two, counter-clockwise 18 Shift three, clockwise 19 Shift three, counter-clockwise 20 Opposite wind * Add 1 to roll, when non-dominant wind blows from a coastal area within = 50 miles. One shift equals 1 hexside. Dominant winds Aegopoli, Alatian Islands NE Alfheim W Alphatia, Upper NW Alphatia, Lower SW Atruaghin W Broken Lands SW Darokin W Ethengar NW Farend, Qeodhar NW Five Shires SW Glantri NW Heldann Freeholds SW Ierendi W Isle of Dawn, Upper NW Isle of Dawn, Lower SW Karameikos SW Minrothad W Norwold NW Ostland W Rockhome W Sind Region NW Soderfjord W Thanegioth, Isle of Dread NE Thyatis, east coast W Thyatis, west coast W Vestland W Wendar NW Ylaruam W Optional seasonal trends (roll once per season) d10 Effect 1 Very Cold, Temp. -10, Prec. +10% 2-3 Colder, Temp -5, Prec. +5% 4-7 Seasonable 8-9 Warmer, Temp +5, Prec. -5% 10 Very Hot, Temp +10, Prec. -10% Min. precipitation is 1%, max. 90%. Main Weather Chart Location Winter Spring Summer Fall Aasla, W. Alphatia 45/35 55/45 70/60 60/50 P30/N15 P40/N35 P20/D30 P40/D20 Aegopoli, Aegos 70/60 75/65 85/70 80/70 P50/D10 P55/D05 P60/D01 P55/D05 Alfheim* 45/35 55/35 75/60 60/40 P95/D15 P95/D15 P95/D15 P95/D15 Alpha**, Norwold 35/20 40/30 55/45 45/35 P40/N25 P45/N20 P30/N15 P45/N20 Atruaghin 55/30 65/50 85/70 70/55 P30/D20 P35/D15 P20/D10 P35/D15 Corunglain, Darokin 35/15 45/30 65/50 45/35 P15/D15 P20/D25 P25/D30 P20/D25 Darokin City 40/25 55/35 75/60 55/40 P25/D15 P20/D10 P15/D10 P20/D15 Dengar, Rockhome 25/15 45/30 65/50 45/35 *** P15/D15 P20/D25 P25/D30 P20/D25 Dunadale, NE I of D 30/25 35/30 50/40 40/35 P30/N15 P45/N35 P20/D30 P45/D20 Ethengar 25/05 40/25 75/55 45/30 P10/D10 P15/D15 P20/D15 P15/D15 Farend**, Qeodhar 15/0 30/20 45/40 35/25 P40/N25 P45/N20 P30/N15 P45/N20 Freiburg**, Heldann 25/10 35/25 60/50 40/30 P30/N15 P40/N35 P20/D30 P40/D20 Glantri City 25/15 45/30 65/50 50/35 P15/D15 P20/D25 P25/D30 P20/D25 Helskir**, N I of D 20/10 35/20 55/45 40/30 P40/N25 P45/N20 P30/N15 P45/N20 Ierendi** 65/55 70/60 75/65 75/65 P40/D15 P45/D10 P50/D05 P45/D10 Landfall**, Norwold 25/15 35/25 55/45 40/30 P40/N25 P45/N20 P30/N15 P45/N20 Minrothad** 65/55 70/60 75/65 70/60 P40/D15 P45/D10 P50/D05 P45/D10 Newkirk, C I of D 40/30 50/40 65/55 55/45 P30/N15 P45/N35 P20/D30 P40/D20 Norrvik**, Vestland 30/20 40/30 65/55 45/35 P30/N15 P40/N35 P20/D30 P40/D20 Oceansend, Norwold 20/15 35/20 50/40 40/25 P40/N25 P45/N20 P30/N15 P45/N20 Sayr Ulan, Sind 45/35 70/60 95/80 75/65 P20/D15 P15/D10 P10/D05 P15/D10 Selenica, Darokin 40/25 55/35 75/60 = 40/missing P25/D15 P20/D10 P15/D10 P20/D15 Shireton, Five Shires 45/35 55/45 70/60 60/50 P20/N15 P35/N20 P20/D15 P30/D20 Soderfjord** 25/20 45/35 65/55 50/40 P30/N15 P40/N35 P20/D30 P40/D20 Specularum, 45/35 55/45 70/60 60/50 Karameikos P35/D15 P40/N35 P30/D30 P40/D20 Sundsvall, S. Alphatia 25/20 50/35 75/55 55/40 P15/D15 P20/D25 P25/D30 = P25/D25 Surra-Man-Raa, 75/65 80/70 105/90 85/75 NE Ylaruam P05/D05 P10/D10 P01/D01 P10/D05 Tel Akbir, Thyatis 65/55 70/60 85/75 75/65 P20/D15 P25/D10 P15/D05 = P25/D10 Thanegioth, I of Dread 70/65 75/65 85/70 80/70 P40/D10 P55/D05 P65/D01 = P55/D05 Thyatis City 50/40 55/45 70/60 = 60/50 P20/N15 P35/N20 P20/D15 = P30/D20 Trollhattan**, Alphatia 25/15 40/30 55/45 45/35 P40/N25 P45/N20 P30/N15 = P45/N20 Wendar 35/20 60/45 75/55 = 65/50 P25/D05 P40/D25 P15/D05 = P45/D30 Ylaruam City 70/50 75/55 110/80 95/65 P15/D10 P10/D05 P05/D01 = P10/D05 Zeaburg** ***, 35/25 50/40 65/55 55/45 Ostland P40/N45 P50/N40 P30/N30 P50/N40 * Only rains during night hours ** On overcast days, fog lasts all day *** Add one to die roll on wind strength ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:11:27 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Mystara and OD&D forgotten? Well, I've been dividing time between my campaign (running every second week, for the most part, since 1995 - massive party turnover last year, though), participating in the MML since the same time, and more recently the Almanac. I don't think Mystara has been forgotten by its fans, at any rate - regardless of what system they play. True, I use slightly modified OD&D - always have and probably always will - but a fair amount of the material I post to the List for public consumption is relatively stat-free, IMO. The other major thing I'm working on is tidying up all the mini-adventures I wrote for my campaign, eventually to share them with the lot of you (if you want). As for lack of activity on the MML, that's a cyclical thing. In Canada (at least) this time of the year is university crunch time - final papers and exams are coming up fast, and I would imagine it's the similar case in the US and Europe. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:20:31 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone! I was revising my Mystara files and I stumbled upon an old poll I had begun a year ago, involving our judgement on the Mystara gazetteers. Since I got many votes and I think the poll might still be interesting, I am posting it here again, along with the first results. There are three questions u should answer: 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? The answers get points in order to evaluate the answers in this way: (this is an example based on my answers) Most Used: a. Darokin (3 points) b. Glantri & Ierendi (2 points each) c. DotE & Alfheim (1 point each) Least Used: a. Minrothad b. Five Shires c. Shadow Elves (I never had the chance to use these three, really.., altho I liked GAZ9 and GAZ13) Most Disappointing: a. Nithia (a mishmash between D&D and AD&D, missing tables and poor focus on Nithian history) b. Ylaruam (a nice gaz, but could have been 10 times better) c. Ierendi & DotE (note: altho I play in and use both gaz, I reckon they could have been written better) After 15 votes, the current results are: Most used: 1. Glantri (33 points, always listed first) 2. Darokin (27 points, altho it got more preferences than Glantri) 3. Karameikos (20 points) 4. Dawn of the Emperors (15 points) 5. Shadow Elves (7 points - note the great gap from the first 4 entries!) 6. Orcs of Thar (6 points) 7. Alfheim (4 points) 8. Ierendi & Ethengar (3 points each - surprisingly enough!) Least used (note that least used doens't mean least liked): 1. Atruaghin (21 points - seems nobody campaigns here) 2. Northern Reaches & Ierendi (11 points - main reason is they are too weird) 3. Ethengar (10 points - seems it's too distant as a culture, like Atruaghin) 4. Five Shires (9 points - no surprise here..) 5. Minrothad (8 points) 6. Ylaruam (6 points) 7. HW Gazetteers (5 points - easy to understand why..) 8. Shadow Elves (4 points) Least favourite (note that this category was introduced only during the last days of the poll, so it got less votes): 1. Ierendi (6 points) 2. Nithia & Shadow Elves (4 points) 3. Ylaruam & Glantri (3 points - this is strange enough, uh?) 4. Darokin, Atruaghin & Karameikos (2 points) PS: when u reply to the list, please be sure not to overquote this mail and deleting all the parts not related to your comments (like my preferences and the final three lists). U may and in fact are welcome to motivate or comment your answers! ;) Enjoy the poll :) DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:34:05 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Mystara-list, lets get busy! Um, or not... > As for lack of activity on the MML, that's a cyclical thing. If getting a spate of posts is needed why not invite Evil Genius and the Alphatiaphiles to reprise the "Great Debate" =) I for one, enjoyed every minute of that flurry of activity, even when it got testy, because I was new to Mystara at that time, I was soaking up everything I could. Eric Anondson (Veteran of BBS wars of old) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:55:09 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz >1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? a. Karameikos b. DotE c. Darokin >2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? a. Atruaghin b. Ierendi c. Hollow World Gaz's >3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? a. Ierendi b. Ethengar (not really disappointed with the quality of the Gaz, just disappointed with how it fits the rest of the Known World. No one outside of Ethengar seems to know they are there!) c. Could Sind (from the CoM box count?) I don't know what I was expecting, but what was done was NOT it. Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:44:20 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Thanks guys that REALLY helped me. I really appreciate it Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:31:49 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321174000.009f0350@racine.ra.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? a. Karameikos- Mainly because I could adapt it so easily to my own ideas. b. DotE- Almost exclusively for Thyatis. See below for reasons. c. Northern Reaches- Back in the old days we were on this viking kick. Probably won't use it much this time around. >2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? a. Atruaghin Clans- Absolutely worthless, imho. I could probably get some use out of it in a Red Steel campaign, though. b. Ierendi- I tried but could never come up with a good reason to send the players there. c. DotE- The Alphatia half. My games are usually very low-magic. Glantri could go here as well for the same reason. > >3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? a. Atruaghin- I recommend that someone with a knowledge of American Indians beyond a few bad John Wayne movies do a serious re-write of this rag. And has anyone else noticed that the Clans are the only ones in the Known World to import alcohol? "Mm, fire-water good!". b. The Five Shires- "You just met your worst nightmare- a Halfling with a gun!" Blech! c. Hollow World- Anything interesting in it, I put there myself. Anyone who read Allston's "Lands of Mystery" knows that this could have been much, much cooler. Also, do the Creature Crucibles count as Gazetteers? If so, that might change the complexion of the survey somewhat. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:48:53 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: WotI. In-Reply-To: <3AB83BED.F8463360@engineer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Vinicius R. de Moraes" wrote: > Are thre parts I and II? > I've just bought it and don't understand exactly. > Theres two books. One with rules and one with a campaign designed to have things happening in the world that the players interact with. The campaign has three stages. 1. setting up, intro hook/adventure. 2. Build up, world starts plotting 3. all out War. Thus part one gets people involved but not much happens, however without part one it's just stuff happening around the PC and not so much involving the PC's. For those without WotI who want to play through the WotI time all you really need is the events, because if they are not directly involved with the vital parties there's little they can do to understand why it's all happening. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:09:51 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Well, being the nice guy I am, I'm willing to share all of it with >you (and the rest of the list, if anybody else is interested). Aaargh! I went home last night and typed it all in manually! BTW I noticed that the listed temperatures for some of the countries are different between the TM and AC1012. Any idea why? I'm inclined to treat the TM version as "correct" when there is a difference. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:06:09 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul Benfield Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? > i. Karameikos (the ultimate kindergarten for adventurers!) ii. DoTE (Thyatis, Thyatis, Thyatis!!) iii. Northern Reaches (Bards and Runes - kewl! > >> 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? > i. Minrothad ii. Ethengar iii. Atruaghin (don't have any of these!) >> . What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? > i. DoTE (Both empires deserved their own book - it was so skimpy on detail!) ii. Glantri (Silly organisations like E.L.F are not my style and I don't like the radiance either- IMVVVVVHO!!!) iii. WOTI (I know its technically not a gazetteer but it was so bad for so many reasons I couldn't leave it off - how dare they do that to Alphatia and Alfheim?!) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:13:06 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Is there a good reason why stuff from the original D&D game (the White Box, etc) couldn't be adapted to the Rules Encyclopedia? It is still spiritually the same game, after all. Just because AD&D robbed the grave of D&D (so to speak) doesn't mean some or most of those old rules couldn't be given the once-over for use with the RC. In this case, I'm actually thinking more along the lines of monsters and treasure as opposed to men, magic, wilderness or the underworld (heh heh). I don't have the old stuff (although I did back in the day) and I'm guessing most of you don't either, but I can probably get a look at a copy of each and see if there's anything worth resuscitating. I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind Flayer and we didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:13:37 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: Mystara-list, lets get busy! Um, or not... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > If getting a spate of posts is needed why not invite > Evil Genius and the > Alphatiaphiles to reprise the "Great Debate" =) I > for one, enjoyed > every minute of that flurry of activity, even when > it got testy, because I > was new to Mystara at that time, I was soaking up > everything I could. I'm afraid I killed him.... I didn't mean to.... (Evil Genius I mean) Things got a bit testy at the end of the stefan debate and I don't remember seeing him since. I'm quite dissappointed really.... he was a good (although sometimes mis-guided) contributor. does anyone know where he is, I don't think if I asked I would get a reply. I'm also afraid it may have been a straw that broke the camels back. I feel quite bad because it was a private post trying to be helpful and somehow it exploded... > Eric Anondson (Veteran of BBS wars of old) Your not the only one who gets a lot out of the debates, I've learnt a whole heep, although 600+ mails can be a bit daunting. I started putting togeather some stuff on stefan (james stuff included) but just haven't had time to sort through it all, cause so much of it is very interesting. Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:12:59 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D > I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind > Flayer and we didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! Yeah, but who got the Carnifex? Who, Who?! Who, Who?! (*ahem*, sorry about that...) Then there is all the fun and love that is found in the Dimension of Nightmares... Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:17:42 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Chris Furneaux Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! In-Reply-To: <200103210130.RAA22827@mail14.bigmailbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8306/utilities.html#weathergen This is a weather generation program that is quite good. The calander I think is thytain from memory. http://fridge.arch.uwa.edu.au/design/solar/solar_calculator.html for those who want to know when the sun rises and sets and stuff. If You want to know more about how it works I could try to explain. Theres also some other good weather programs out there. (sun prediction etc...) Chris. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:26:30 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 What is the published source for the Carnifex? Are they from the Blackmoor modules? Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:22:10 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Eric Anondson wrote: > > I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind > > Flayer and we didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! > > Yeah, but who got the Carnifex? Who, Who?! Who, Who?! (*ahem*, > sorry about that...) > > Then there is all the fun and love that is found in the Dimension of > Nightmares... Hey, we got the Diabli too. Can't beat anti-mortals who exist in a supra-spatial dimensional structure. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:36:50 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Then there is all the fun and love that is found in the Dimension of >Nightmares... > > One of the things that irked me about the stupid AD&D Mystara stuff was "demi-plane of nightmares" instead of "Nightmare Dimension". Gimme a break! Now more than ever, I hate AD&D! (but I kinda like 3e) VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:44:57 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, can't remember if i voted on this or not so here goes, if i have already voted just keep my original. mortus. > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? A./ Glantri (obviously) B./ Karameikos (where it all began.... Ahh memories..) C./ Orcs of Thar (just so much fun.... beats chest vigourously and shouts SCUM. gods how i miss my troll.) > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? A./ Minrothad (the maritime trade map is about all) B./ Ierendi (the counters and sea battle rules and map) C./ Yalaruam (i think i ran 1 side trek through ylaruam, not sure though) > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? A./ Minrothad (just so boring) B./ Ierendi (the whole theme park atmosphere) C./ Yalaruam (so much unexplored potential) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:51:57 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: IC_Re: [MYSTARA] Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ii. Glantri (Silly organisations like E.L.F are not my style and I > don't like the radiance either- IMVVVVVHO!!!) since you put it so humbly, we might just let you live... maybe... still considering.... mortus ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:46:56 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piquer_Otero?= Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Most used: 1) Glantri (GAZ3, of course) 2) Darokin (with 2 Merchant PCs you cannot avoid it) 3) Sons of Azca (I expanded a lot of HWA1) Least used: 1) Atruaghin Clans (party never travelled there) 2) Shadow Elves (this will change in AC 1007 for sure!) 3) Milenian Empire Most disappointing: 1) Nithia (real mess up, lotsa crazy un-D&D ideas like armor proficiencies and many cool campaig ideas which were not developed) 2) Atruaghin Clans (the DM info is a bit sloppy, it's written as for a Atruaghin PCs campaign more than for visiting adventures) 3) Ierendi (the writing is a bit chaotic, it's a good reading but a pain for game usage... and my PCs visited Ierendi quite a bit!) Andr�s ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:51:08 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:13:06 -0600, ramhog wrote: (snip) >I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind Flayer and we >didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! > > I used to think so too, but it actually makes Mystara sort of unique to me when players blurt out, "What? There are not mind-flayers here? How come?". There might, of course, be answers to that question. I've thought of a few myself... the problem is that if I ever use them in a way my players will find out about, they'll be *sooo* angry with me! ;) - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:53:41 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:36:50 -0600, ramhog wrote: >> >>Then there is all the fun and love that is found in the Dimension of >>Nightmares... >> >> >One of the things that irked me about the stupid AD&D Mystara stuff >was "demi-plane of nightmares" instead of "Nightmare Dimension". >Gimme a break! > >Now more than ever, I hate AD&D! (but I kinda like 3e) > Traitor! I liked AD&D, but I *hate* 3e with a passion! It just isn't D&D anymore! Say, you said you liked Thyatians, yes? I guess I might have known ;) - The Stalker (Alphatian wizard in case anybody is still wondering! :) ) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:41:59 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? a) Karameikos, this is where the game is now. b) Darokin, this is where they are traveling to. c) Ylaruam, this is where they will end up. > > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? a) Alphatia b) Ethengar c) Atraughin > > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? I am not really disappointed with any. Here are the ones that I like the least: a) Hollow World Stuff b) Rockhome c) Ierendi ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:49:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DM wrote: > > Since I got many votes and I think the poll might still be interesting, I am posting it here again, along with the first results. Uhm, I've probably answered this the first time it was proposed, but in doubt I'll give my answers. > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? 1) Karameikos 2) Ylaruam 3) Ierendi and Rockhome (Not all of these are my preferred gazetteers, but f.e., I've never managed to bring the campaign to Glantri) > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? 1) Five Shires 2) Darokin 3) Atruaghin (Atruaghin is rather secluded from the rest of the Known World, and the other are both among my least liked, so I'd rarely set adventures there) > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? 1) Five Shires (too unbalanced with respect to my favourite gazetteers) 2) Darokin (quite dull, IMHO, considered the relevance of the nation) 3) Northern Reaches (this one is good, but it could have been far better, it looks as there was too much stuff to fit in) -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:16:59 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > > I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind Flayer and we > didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! Bah, they're way too common monsters. The fact that Mystara doesn't need them (or the Drow, for that matter) adds to the setting instead of detracting from it, IMHO. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:19:33 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: Mystara-list, lets get busy! Um, or not... On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:13:37 -0800, Chris Furneaux wrote: >> If getting a spate of posts is needed why not invite >> Evil Genius and the >> Alphatiaphiles to reprise the "Great Debate" =) I >> for one, enjoyed >> every minute of that flurry of activity, even when >> it got testy, because I >> was new to Mystara at that time, I was soaking up >> everything I could. > Oh my, be careful what you wish for! I could be mistaken, but I don't think you've been on the list so long to have seen when those debates got really ugly! And that goes back well before the whole Stefan-bashing (in which I could not participate because I was away). Trust me - you don't want to see any of those ugly debates, but if you're determined this list has archives and you can go back and look if you don't believe me... >I'm afraid I killed him.... I didn't mean to.... >(Evil Genius I mean) "... and there was much rejoicing!" (My apologies to James, couldn't resist...) ;D >Things got a bit testy at the end of the stefan debate >and I don't remember seeing him since. I'm quite >dissappointed really.... he was a good (although >sometimes mis-guided) contributor. does anyone know >where he is, I don't think if I asked I would get a >reply. > He is not currently on the MML, but rest assured that he hasn't left Mystara behind. I still debate stuff (Mystara-related or otherwise) with him from time to time (for interested parties I can reveal that the Arkan/Stonewall war in HW Alphatia in the 1017 AC almanac was born directly from one such off-list debate between us!) He'd probably rejoin the list to knock you over if I forwarded your comments to him, though! Not that I could blame him much - please refrain from saying that people are misguided. It's not very productive. It's also not very fair seeing as how he isn't here to defend himself. I know you meant well (because your tone said so), but comments like that are highly combustible, if you know what I mean! But I admit to having been hotheaded myself - particularly at one point when a debate was simply called "Why Alphatia should be considered Chaotic Evil"! That really ticked me off I'll admit! :( >I'm also afraid it may have been a straw that broke >the camels back. I feel quite bad because it was a >private post trying to be helpful and somehow it >exploded... > >> Eric Anondson (Veteran of BBS wars of old) > >Your not the only one who gets a lot out of the >debates, I've learnt a whole heep, although 600+ mails >can be a bit daunting. I started putting togeather >some stuff on stefan (james stuff included) but just >haven't had time to sort through it all, cause so much >of it is very interesting. > Oh dear, oh dear... I don't look forward to the prospect of actually being confronted with things I might have said in the past. But I guess you're entitled since Aaron Nowack already did something similar on a particularly silly topic we had once :) - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:39:52 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >Traitor! I liked AD&D, but I *hate* 3e with a passion! It just isn't D&D >anymore! Yeah, that's what I said when I first read the Monster Manual back in `78. ;-p >Say, you said you liked Thyatians, yes? I guess I might have known ;) > > Seriously, a lot of it has to do with the proximity of Thyatis to the Known World. I mean, there it is- you can *walk* there for god's sake! And, almost without exception, you have to pass through Thyatis to get to Alphatia from the Known World. Maybe if they would have placed Alphatia on Davania it would have worked better for me. All that aside, I just prefer a low-magic campaign. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:48:54 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: <3AB9285B.6AEB909D@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >ramhog wrote: >> >> I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind Flayer and we >> didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! > >Bah, they're way too common monsters. The fact that Mystara doesn't need >them (or the Drow, for that matter) adds to the setting instead of >detracting from it, IMHO. >-- Once again, let me point out that the Mind Flayer (you can keep you Illithids), was a D&D monster *years* before the Monster Manual came out. I believe it first appeared in an issue of The Strategic Review- the TSR mag that predated The Dragon. And, yes, they're common now (understatement!), but they weren't when the original D&D Blue Book was out. There was no reason they couldn't have appeared in D&D back then sans psionics. They're still cool monsters even without it. And I'm talking about D&D- I never mentioned Mystara VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:27:37 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul George Dooley Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D (Spoiler for MoA) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Stalker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:13:06 -0600, ramhog wrote: > > (snip) > >I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind Flayer and we > >didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! > > > > > > I used to think so too, but it actually makes Mystara sort of unique to me > when players blurt out, "What? There are not mind-flayers here? How come?". > There might, of course, be answers to that question. I've thought of a few > myself... the problem is that if I ever use them in a way my players will > find out about, they'll be *sooo* angry with me! here> ;) > Waiting to spring Mark of Amber upon them are we? >:^)~ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:47:06 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Jenni A.M. Merrifield" Organization: strawberryJAMM Designs Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321174000.009f0350@racine.ra.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 21 Mar 2001, at 18:20, DM wrote: Caveat: I don't own all the Gazetters, though I've probably looked at most of the ones I don't own at least once (except, can you believe it, Gaz 1, Karameikos, which I've never even scanned, despite the fact that two games I am a player in are both based in Karameikos) > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? 1) Darokin (My all around favourite place in the Known World) Minrothad (Where my campaign started and one of my own PC's is from) Tall Tales of the Wee Folk [PC1] (I just love those fey folk!) 2) Irendi (a few personal modifications & it's great for swashbuckling!) The Sea People [PC3] (Fits in so well with Irendi and Minrothad!) CoM (None of my players own this box! Whahoo! ;-) ) 3) Red Steel Box (Again, none of my players own it, and it ties in w/ CoM) Savage Baronies (ditto) Atruaghin (I love this Gaz! It's something a bit different than "usual") > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? 1) Glantri (don't own it) Dwarves of Rockhome (ditto) Anything Hollow World Related (ditto) Top Ballista [PC2] (owned but never opened :-} <-- sheepish grin ) 2) Ethengar (I don't find it particularly interesting) Night Howlers [PC4] (haven't found a /really/ good reason to...yet...) 3) Northern Reaches (too "far away" from where my campaigns have been) Ylaruam (ditto) > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? 1) Top Ballista [PC2] (I remember thinking the "monster PC races" were far too unbalanced even with all the exceptions when I did read it. I really only bought it b/c it would complete the set, hence the reason why I've never opened my own copy.) 2) Ethengar (don't know why. Just didn't "capture my imagination" I guess) 3) Atruaghin (I love it, but must admit it is a bit weakly designed, especially considering it's placement in the line as a whole. It should have had /more/ than other Gaz's, not less..) Jenni -- Jenni A. M. Merrifield -=> strawberryJAMM <=- Benevolent Despot of the Mystara 3E Project M3E Project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mystara3E ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:12:06 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Donnelly Jr Subject: Re: newsreaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Outlook Express is one of the most vulnerable pieces of mail/newsbrowsers to viral infection out there. A lot of the vulnerabilities are why the jerks who perpetrate viruses purposely build to hit users of OE. So use with caution. David Knott wrote: > From: "Greg Weatherup" > > > Well, in that case, does anybody know of any good newsgroup newsreaders > for > > Windows 98 using IE 5 (and a web based email account, if that matters)? > > > > or is there a way to use netscape mail without having to have netscape > > navigator? > > I have found Outlook Express (which apparently comes free with > Windows 98) to be quite adequate for the purpose of accessing > Usenet newsgroups. The locations you will want to point it at are > news.dnd.starflung.com and rpg.hmimages.com. The first of these > two will have nothing but a very active group discussing D&D/Mystara, > while the second will have a large number of groups that are not yet > very active, one of which is dedicated to Mystara. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:08:13 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "David S. Leland" Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321174000.009f0350@racine.ra.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:20 AM 3/21/01, DM wrote: >Most Used: >a. Darokin (3 points) >b. Glantri & Ierendi (2 points each) >c. DotE & Alfheim (1 point each) You might not want to give full points to Gaz's tied for a slot, as that inflates the voice of people who waffle on which is their favorite. I'd recommend splitting their points between the choices. Otherwise, in your example, you would contribute 3 + (2*2) + (2*1) = 9 points to the poll, while someone who only lists one Gaz per slot contributes 3 + 2 + 1 = 6 points to the poll. Magus Coeruleus ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:25:14 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Saarela Sami Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, So here are my votes: > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? > A) Darokin (You just can't run a campaign and keep 'em out of Darokin. Almost anywhere they're going they're going thru here.) B) Glantri (My last campaign had a MU go from lvl. 1 to 36. This was used quite a bit.) C) DoE (Thyatis side. They're such a big player on mainland politics.) > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? > A) Ethengar (Who would be interested in hundreds of miles of flat plains?) B) HW-stuff (I never saw the point in putting the players here. Plus the environtment was a bit too alien for my taste.) C) Ylaruam (It's a shame. There's just soooo much potential in this land. My own fault really.) Shadow Elves (You could visit, but staying here for long was again a bit too alien.) > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? > A) DoE (Way too much stuff to handle in those tiny little books. Lacks any detail. Broke my heart really.) B) Glantri (Just a tiny bit too much tongue-in-cheek for my taste. Had to tone that down IMC.) C) Ylaruam (Great potential totally wasted.) PS. I haven't got Minrothad Ierendi Five Shires so I haven't mentioned them at all. You could put them in the top 3 leaast used, but I didn't think it was fair to "judge" them without even reading them. Cheers, - Sami > ---------- > L�hett�j�: DM[SMTP:mdalmonte@PROVINCIA.RA.IT] > Vastaa: Mystara > L�hetetty: 21. maaliskuuta 2001 19:20 > Vastaanottaja: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > Aihe: [MYSTARA] Poll: Most and Least used Gaz > > Hi everyone! > > I was revising my Mystara files and I stumbled upon an old poll I had > begun a year ago, involving our judgement on the Mystara gazetteers. Since > I got many votes and I think the poll might still be interesting, I am > posting it here again, along with the first results. > > There are three questions u should answer: > > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? > > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? > > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? > > The answers get points in order to evaluate the answers in this way: (this > is an example based on my answers) > > Most Used: > a. Darokin (3 points) > b. Glantri & Ierendi (2 points each) > c. DotE & Alfheim (1 point each) > > Least Used: > a. Minrothad > b. Five Shires > c. Shadow Elves > (I never had the chance to use these three, really.., altho I liked GAZ9 > and GAZ13) > > Most Disappointing: > a. Nithia (a mishmash between D&D and AD&D, missing tables and poor focus > on Nithian history) > b. Ylaruam (a nice gaz, but could have been 10 times better) > c. Ierendi & DotE (note: altho I play in and use both gaz, I reckon they > could have been written better) > > > > After 15 votes, the current results are: > > Most used: > 1. Glantri (33 points, always listed first) > 2. Darokin (27 points, altho it got more preferences than Glantri) > 3. Karameikos (20 points) > 4. Dawn of the Emperors (15 points) > 5. Shadow Elves (7 points - note the great gap from the first 4 entries!) > 6. Orcs of Thar (6 points) > 7. Alfheim (4 points) > 8. Ierendi & Ethengar (3 points each - surprisingly enough!) > > Least used (note that least used doens't mean least liked): > 1. Atruaghin (21 points - seems nobody campaigns here) > 2. Northern Reaches & Ierendi (11 points - main reason is they are too > weird) > 3. Ethengar (10 points - seems it's too distant as a culture, like > Atruaghin) > 4. Five Shires (9 points - no surprise here..) > 5. Minrothad (8 points) > 6. Ylaruam (6 points) > 7. HW Gazetteers (5 points - easy to understand why..) > 8. Shadow Elves (4 points) > > Least favourite (note that this category was introduced only during the > last days of the poll, so it got less votes): > 1. Ierendi (6 points) > 2. Nithia & Shadow Elves (4 points) > 3. Ylaruam & Glantri (3 points - this is strange enough, uh?) > 4. Darokin, Atruaghin & Karameikos (2 points) > > > PS: when u reply to the list, please be sure not to overquote this mail > and deleting all the parts not related to your comments (like my > preferences and the final three lists). U may and in fact are welcome to > motivate or comment your answers! ;) > > Enjoy the poll :) > > > DM > Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac > First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn > > "You don't stop playing because you grow old: > you grow old because you stop playing!" > > Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 > And Mystara Italian Homepage at: > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 > > Join the Mystara Webring at: > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html > Join the Starfleet Academy at: > http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:48:12 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Fwd: Re: [MYSTARA] D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: ramhog To: "Angelo Bertolli" Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] D&D/OD&D/Basic >D&D and AD&D Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:52:05 -0600 > >>Can I have a copy of the D&D Mindflayer stats?? >> > >I'd gladly share them if my cd-rom drive was working and I could look them >up in my Dragon archive set. Could anyone out there with the archive find >those stats and post them? > > >VVH > >-- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.