* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Dwarven paladin Started at 03-25-08 01:10 PM by Ferns Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1008257 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Ferns Date : 03-25-08 01:10 PM Thread Title : Dwarven paladin Hi all :) I want to make a paladin dwarf in a 2nd ed ad&d forgotten realms setting, but the closest thing i seem to find is a fighter/cleric from dwarves handbook or a specialty priest of Grom in Demihuman deities. Is there really no writing about dwarven paladins anywhere? a dragon magazine or book i overlooked e.g.? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : elondir Date : 03-25-08 01:34 PM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin Before 3e, only humans could be paladins. Period. On top of that, if you played it 3d6 straight down, less than 1% of humans rolled qualified for the ability score requirments. Demihumans were severely limited in their choice of classes, and those classes had limits on how high level you could be. Your best bet is a specialty cleric or straight fighter, because your fighter won't be allowed to use edged weapons if you take cleric, and there's not much gain in adding fighter to cleric. Specialty cleric, on the other hand, has great spellcasting and super fast level growth. You might even manage to get to use a longsword if you choose the right priest (does Grom?). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Ferns Date : 03-25-08 01:47 PM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin Hmm that's also what i thought, but I really wanted to do this and if there had ever been written anything about it, I would have appreciated it. A specialty priest of Gorm Gulthyn is stated in the Demihuman deities as user of all weapons and armor, the god is also LG and his portfolio is guardians and protectors of dwarves and that kind of things. So I guess thats what i'll make, but if anyone has seen some official writing on the former, then i would be happy to know where :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Agathokles Date : 03-25-08 02:06 PM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin I want to make a paladin dwarf in a 2nd ed ad&d forgotten realms setting, but the closest thing i seem to find is a fighter/cleric from dwarves handbook or a specialty priest of Grom in Demihuman deities. Is there really no writing about dwarven paladins anywhere? a dragon magazine or book i overlooked e.g.? As said above, Dwarf Paladin is not an allowed combination in 2e. The Champion kit for Fighter/Priests and specialty priests are indeed the nearest approximation. The Defender kit (http://pandius.com/sc_kits.html) would be another (better) option, but it's not from FR (it's from Red Steel/Savage Coast). However, the DMG discusses the option of allowing non-human Paladins, so you (or your DM) might want to have a look there. GP -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Ferns Date : 03-25-08 02:22 PM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin Thanks both of you :) I've never read about the defender before now, and it sounds really interesting i think, so i'll ask my DM if he will allow it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Handsome Stranger Date : 03-25-08 08:45 PM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin Before 3e, only humans could be paladins. Period. On top of that, if you played it 3d6 straight down, less than 1% of humans rolled qualified for the ability score requirments. Pedantic nitpick: Silvanesti (1e Dragonlance hardback, p.59). I won't say it was a great idea, or that it was my favorite setting, or that many folks at all (I never knew one) took advantage of that, but there was the one freak exception. Demihumans were severely limited in their choice of classes, and those classes had limits on how high level you could be. Your best bet is a specialty cleric or straight fighter, because your fighter won't be allowed to use edged weapons if you take cleric, and there's not much gain in adding fighter to cleric. Specialty cleric, on the other hand, has great spellcasting and super fast level growth. You might even manage to get to use a longsword if you choose the right priest (does Grom?). Boo-yah! Take that dwarven cleric, add a kit, and knock some heads! You want a dwarven holy warrior, you got 'im. Just have him behave like your idea of a paladin should and you're set. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Mock26 Date : 03-27-08 01:17 AM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin There is mention of demi-human Paladins in The Complete Paladin's Handbook (page 69). In that book they say that demi-human paladins are fighter/clerics who have to take a paladin kit and then get paladin powers. If you are the DM, though, you could just allow dwarf paladins. All demihuman races can be priests and all demihuman races can be Lawful Good. So, other than Charisma there shouldn't be any reason why demihumans can't be paladins. And in regards to Charisma just remember that looks are subjective so since dwarves have a -1 modifier on their Charisma I would suggest lowering the minimum requirement down from 17 to 16. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Ferns Date : 03-27-08 02:39 AM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin There is mention of demi-human Paladins in The Complete Paladin's Handbook (page 69). In that book they say that demi-human paladins are fighter/clerics who have to take a paladin kit and then get paladin powers. Oh it is in there? I scanned the book briefly and couldn't find it right away, so thanks for that info :) If you are the DM, though, you could just allow dwarf paladins. All demihuman races can be priests and all demihuman races can be Lawful Good. So, other than Charisma there shouldn't be any reason why demihumans can't be paladins. And in regards to Charisma just remember that looks are subjective so since dwarves have a -1 modifier on their Charisma I would suggest lowering the minimum requirement down from 17 to 16. The problem is that for the first time in years i am to be a player and the DM that will run our little adventure is strictly by the books, if it is not written it is not possible. So therefor i asked if anybody had some official writing on the matter. Thanks for your response Mock26 :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : True_Atlantean Date : 04-01-08 06:39 AM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin There is mention of demi-human Paladins in The Complete Paladin's Handbook (page 69). In that book they say that demi-human paladins are fighter/clerics who have to take a paladin kit and then get paladin powers. Thanks for the reference Mock. I've only just finished a phone call with a player for my new 2nd ed campaign (starting Friday) who is agonising over character class and asked this same question. I'll forward the page number to him. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : RedWizard Date : 04-02-08 06:20 PM Thread Title : Re: Dwarven paladin And in regards to Charisma just remember that looks are subjective so since dwarves have a -1 modifier on their Charisma I would suggest lowering the minimum requirement down from 17 to 16. Actually, seeing as the dwarf would be representing a dwarvern deity and amongst dwarves the Charisma penalty is ignored, there would be no reason to drop the Cha stat requirement. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:22 AM.