Has there been any consideration to include this mechanic to the swords created by the Warbringer (i.e. The Scorcher, Scourge, and the Silencer)?
As foe the Champs being immune to one weapon or another- I though only the Lion King was immune to weapons created by Rajaat!
I think that the best way to deal with this immunity to weapons thing that is kind of problematic would be to give the Champions really high DR and very specific, like DR 20 or 25/ Epic and Rajaat-blood steel (or whatever uber rare red metal that the Silencer and Scorcher are forged from - 'normal' dragons would still have the DR as stated in the AB rules.
I do not remember that material- but then I have not read those book in many years- and IIRC I do not believe that Rikus was teleporting around when they ran in to the Dragon while in Ur Draxa- the Dragon was able to get ahold on Rikus and was going to bite him in half when the Scourge was driven into the Dragon snout- I could be wrong on thises details though..
It could be that the sword was broken at that point hence why it wasn't working at full capacity. The Scourge would "blink" Rikus away from harm anytime Borys tried to attack him.
As foe the Champs being immune to one weapon or another- I though only the Lion King was immune to weapons created by Rajaat!
The Lion of Urik is immune to the swords. What I was pointing out was that the weilder is protected from the original Champions but that doesn't seem to hold true in the case of Hammanu.
The Lion of Urik is immune to the swords.
Not the Silencer he isn't.
Just flipped thru The Cerulean Storm. The sword also protected Rikus from the Dragon in TVoDaF as it did in Kled. Wisking the gladiator to safety anytime Borys went to harm him.
Thanks for reminding me about that, I had totally forgotten about that ability.
I'll probably make it more of a Improved Blink type thing than a teleportation thing.
What does that mean? I hate it when you guys use such long acronyms
Not the Silencer he isn't.
Correct. ;)
TVoDaF
What does that mean? I hate it when you guys use such long acronyms
The Valley of Dust and Fire.
Thanks for reminding me about that, I had totally forgotten about that ability.
I'll probably make it more of a Improved Blink type thing than a teleportation thing.
Something along those lines. Granted, 3.5 Blink doesn't work the way it did in 2e. Some other mechanic may need to be developed.
This would also improve the chances of the PCs in DA if this mechanic was used for the Scorcher as well.
I'm thinking something along the lines of a randomized Dimension Door or a power I've seen in one the racial books. I think I may have been Races of Destiny or the Wild, I can't remember which.
How about the psionic power dimension slide? That would fit the bill for this ability.
So if a Champion tries to break the wielder in half, he blinks away. If a Champion tries to use psionics against the wielder, they don't work, and magic flows around him.
Don't forget the swords protect you from harm, not dismemberement alone.
So if a Champion tries to break the wielder in half, he blinks away. If a Champion tries to use psionics against the wielder, they don't work, and magic flows around him.
Is there any instance that a Champion used magic or psionics against Rikus? There was none in the Amber Enchantress.
I would surmise, short of rereading the relevant sections, that the Champions know better than to use supernatural stuff against Rikus.
IIRC, the "protection" does not say its vs. physical attacks. That would be incredibly dumb anyway, what with the Champions being masters of magic and psionics.
I would surmise, short of rereading the relevant sections, that the Champions know better than to use supernatural stuff against Rikus.
Agreed, I was just curious if there was any canon material that backed it.
Either way, I feel that there's a need for a mechanic made for all of Rajaat's swords when they are used against Champions.
Psionics might still be an effective attack. In The Cerulean Storm, when Sadira battles Abalach-Re, she's in possesion of the Scourge. And IIRC, the sorcerer-queen rips her up something fierce using the Way before getting a face full of steel (and bucket loads of black Rajaat goop).
It could be that the sword being broken is what caused its protective powers to wane in that encounter.
There's a similar inconsistency elsewhere: the Heartwood Spear is said to protect the wielder from psionics and magic, and effectively does so against Kalak, but at one point Rikus was telepathically contacted by the Gaj while wielding the Spear, and Sadira was able to use magic against Nok in the forest while he wielded the Spear.
I'm not sure but I think there were other instances when the Spear did protect the wielder against supernatural attacks, in total contradiction to what happened to Rikus and with Sadira.
Sysane, I'd say the mechanic should be very simple and streamlined:
Champions cannot harm or influence in any way wielders of Rajaat's three swords; magic and psionics have no effect as if they were resisted, and physical attacks are avoided by wisking away the wielder xdx [insert distance unit here] away in a random direction.
Hamanu is a special case amongst the Champions. The Scourge or Scorcher cannot effect Hamanu in any way; magic and psionics invoked from the swords have no effect on him as if they were resisted, and physical attacks stop short of affecting him as if stoped by an inpenetrable barrier. On the other hand, Hamanu is treated like any other Champion when confronted with the Silencer.
This would be the core text from which a passage would be crafted for each sword, a passage specific to that particular sword. As such, the passage would take a lot less space and would be a lot more streamlined. Anyways, I'm sure what I wrote above can be further streamlined and simplified.
Champions cannot harm or influence in any way wielders of Rajaat's three swords; magic and psionics have no effect as if they were resisted, and physical attacks are avoided by wisking away the wielder xdx [insert distance unit here] away in a random direction.
Hamanu is a special case amongst the Champions. The Scourge or Scorcher cannot effect Hamanu in any way; magic and psionics invoked from the swords have no effect on him as if they were resisted, and physical attacks stop short of affecting him as if stoped by an inpenetrable barrier. On the other hand, Hamanu is treated like any other Champion when confronted with the Silencer.
I like. I agree that it needs to be streamlined somewhat, but otherwise makes perfect sense.
I think that this mechanic should be added to all the swords offically especially to the Scorcher for the purposes of DA.
As such I came up with this ability:
The blade of the Scorcher is made of a red alloy of Rajaat’s making, which he created by spilling his sorcerous blood on the red-hot blade. Because of it the Scorcher can only be sundered by its sister sword, the Silencer, also made of this red alloy.
Because of this, you modify the following line to replace "strike" with "sunder":
Suggested Means of Destruction
• Sunder the weapon against the Silencer of Bodach, shattering both blades.
• The blade is consumed by a water drake.
Hmm, also, I came up with a way to bring to life the mechanic of the artifact possession for the Scorcher:
Artifact Possession
The Scorcher is imbued with an overpowering obsessive personality. Simply picking up the sword runs the risk of being overwhelmed by its personality. The sword is considered to have an Ego score of 30.
If the wielder fails his Will saving throw against the Scorcher’s Ego score, he becomes imprinted with the personality of the sword. The wielder becomes focused on an individual purpose, regardless of its implications to friends or family. Nothing matters anymore but the endeavor at hand.
All of the above, I believe, should be part of the sword's writeup in DA Part 2.
Hmm, also, I came up with a way to bring to life the mechanic of the artifact possession for the Scorcher:
All of the above, I believe, should be part of the sword's writeup in DA Part 2.
The possession can be linked to the morphic bane ability. Nice touch.
Right now in this thread is being discussed the final details of the sword, such as Artifact Possession, Means of Destruction, and its interactivity with Champions.
Just a side thought.. while the swords are very very cool.. and were probably very handy for both the champions and others... really.. what good is such a weapon against a SK anyway??? don't they have tons of HP and healing abilities psionic and otherwise that would make a physical assault, even one that was effective, but one as puny as a sword strike rather insignificant??
The swords of Rajaat had a way of cutting through all of a SK's defenses. Of course, they weren't made to kill Champions -- they were made for three Champions.
I found a nice pic that looks like Wyan of Bodach, Pixie Blight, and that has this huge sword (see below).
Also, Hamanu is often described as wielding a golden sword.
Etc.
The above weapons have probably been forged by the individual Champions themselves, not by Rajaat.
Wyan of Bodach (blue skin seemed appropriate, what with him cleansing a fey race)
Check it now.