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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2005 22:48:30	Hi. I was just wondering what the differences are between the first Planescape monstrous compendium appendix and the Outer Planes monstrous compendium appendix. The first Planescape appendix supposedly "replaces" the Outer Planes appendix, but are there any notable omissions, or additions? For that matter, is there a webiste that indexes what monsters are in what 2e compendiums? Thanks, Angus
#2 ripvanwormer Aug 30, 2005 18:12:39	They're mostly the same, except the Planescape book is filled with beautiful color illustrations and occasionally invents myths, legends, and humorous quotes for the various creatures. The Outer Planes Appendix did have a few monsters that the Planescape book didn't reprint. Most of them appeared in later Planescape materials, except for one: the genie-like Air Sentinel, natives of Bytopia. The Planescape Monstrous Compendium also added some monsters that didn't appear in the Outer Planes Appendix. The only other thing the Outer Planes Appendix has that the Planescape Monstrous Compendium doesn't (besides black-and-white art by Tom Baxa) is a a few short excerpts from the Codex of Mordenkainen describing the wizard's prophetic visions of the Blood War. If it's important to you, the Planescape book recalculated the XP values of all the creatures in the Outer Planes Appendix, which were originally way too high. Anyway, the monsters in the Outer Planes Appendix are: Aasimon, Agathinon Aasimon, Deva (Astral, Monadic, Movanic) Aasimon, Light Aasimon, Planetar Aasimon, Solar Air Sentinel Animal Lord (Cat, Wolf, Hawk) Archon (Lantern, Hound, Warden, Sword, Tome) Baatezu (Lemure, Amnizu, Cornugon, Gelugon, Pit Fiend, Nupperibo, Spinagon, Abishai [Black, Green, Red], Barbazu, Erinyes, Hamatula, Osyluth) Balaena Bariaur Bebelith Bodak Celestial Lammasu Dragon, Adamantite Einheriar Gehreleth (Farastu, Kelubar, Shator) Githyanki Githzerai (the story of Zerthimon is slightly longer here than in the Planescape MC, although this was lengthened elsewhere in Planescape) Hordling Larva Maelephant Marut Mediator Moon Dog Mortai Night Hag Nightmare Noctral Per Phoenix Slaad (Red, Blue, Green, Gray, Death) - this is less detailed than its Planescape equivalent Tanar'ri (Babau, Chasme, Nabassu, Molydeus, Dretch, Manes, Rutterkin, Alu-Fiend, Bar-lgura, Cambion, Succubus, Balor, Glabrezu, Hezrou, Marilith, Nalfeshnee, Vrock) Titan Translator T'uen-rin Vaporighu Warden Beast Yugoloth (Arcanaloth, Nycaloth, Ultroloth, Dergholoth, Hydroloth, Mezzoloth, Piscoloth, Yagnoloth) Zoveri And, in the Planescape Monstrous Compendium Appendix, Volume One: Aasimon, Agathinon Aasimon, Deva (Astral, Monadic, Movanic) Aasimon, Light Aasimon, Planetar Aasimon, Solar Animal Lord (Cat, Hawk, Lizard, Wolf) Baatezu (Abishai [Black, Green, Red], Amnizu, Barbazu, Cornugon, Erinyes, Gelugon, Hamatula, Lemure, Nupperibo, Osyluth, Pit Fiend, Spinagon) Baku Bariaur Bebelith - includes legend of Ind Bodak - includes legend of the Bodak Who Walked Home Einheriar Foo Creature (Foo Dog, Foo Lion) Gehreleth (Farastu, Kelubar, Shator) - includes details on Apomps Githyanki Githzerai Grue (Chaggrin, Harginn) Grue (Ildriss, Varrdig) Hordling Imp (Imp, Quasit) Incarnates (Major, Minor) Larva Maelephant Marut Mediator (Mechanus Mediator, Translator) Mephit (Air, Smoke, Earth, Ooze, Fire, Radiant, Water, Ice, Dust, Salt, Lightning, Mineral, Magma, Ash, Mist, Steam) Night Hag Nightmare Per Shadow Fiend Slaad (Red, Blue, Green, Gray, Death) Tanar'ri (Alu-Fiend, Babau, Balor, Bar-Lgura, Cambion, Chasme, Dretch, Glabrezu, Hezrou, Manes, Marilith, Molydeus, Nabassu, Nalfeshnee, Rutterkin, Succubus, Vrock, Wastrilith) Tiefling Vargouille Yeth Hound Yugoloth (Arcanaloth, Dergholoth, Hydroloth, Mezzoloth, Nycaloth, Piscoloth, Ultroloth, Yagnoloth)
#3 sildatorak Aug 31, 2005 1:10:36	If it's important to you, the Planescape book recalculated the XP values of all the creatures in the Outer Planes Appendix, which were originally way too high. And by "way to high" he means about 4 times what they were in the PSMC (at least for fiends). The only way I think it is even justifiable to give the Outer Planes Appendix amount of experience is if they use their gate ability as a first resort and no xp is given for the summoned fiends.