* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : first & second edition Started at 04-23-08 12:31 AM by Kozeric Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1022274 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Kozeric Date : 04-23-08 12:31 AM Thread Title : first & second edition hey i been wanting to buy the older editions of the game and learn about them. so i was just wondering if anyone has some pictures i can see of the two editions PHB, DMG, and MM just so i know which ones to buy. i been trying to look it up my self but i've been getting a lot of diffrent covers. also just wondering out of opinion on how much you guys liked the past editions and if its worth going to all the effort. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : sblaxman Date : 04-23-08 12:41 AM Thread Title : Re: first & second edition First edition DMG had a red devil/demon w/ a sword (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/DungeonMasterGuide4Cover.jpg) First edition PHB had a fellow stealing a gem from a statues eye (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/PlayersHandbook8Cover.jpg) First Edition Monster Manual (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/MonsterManual-1stEdAD%26D-Cover.jpg) Second is harder, there were two versions. The originals had white backgrounds. in '95 a revised set was put out w/ black backgrounds. The revised are still 2e, but included some changes that came out in some expansion books that were released after the original printing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Etarnon Date : 04-23-08 08:07 AM Thread Title : Re: first & second edition This guy has a site that has almost all the pics of everything in print nicely labeled. the specific link that follows is AD&D 1st and 2nd edition. Fantastic page if you are buying stuff by ebay pic. many people selling on ebay have no clue which edition or what. AD&D ARCHIVE http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/dd1.htm Breaking it down: 1e phb (original cover) http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/phb.htm 1e DMG (Original cover) http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/dmg.htm 1e MM (Original Cover) http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/mm-a.htm Those were all out in the 78-79 era Now those had different covers that came later... AS I recall the 1e DMG second cover had a guy in robes between two doors. PHB was A guy riding a pegasi, as I recall. 2nd ed, and 2nd ed black book (2e revised) the guy has listed on the link below. http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/dd1.htm 2101 Player’s Handbook (2nd Edition) 2159 Player’s Handbook (2nd Edition, revised) "Black Book" 2100 Dungeon Master’s Guide (2nd Edition) 2160 Dungeon Master Guide (2nd Edition, revised) "Black Book" Monstrous Manual: http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/dd1/mm2nd.htm His main page also (for others curious), This guy rocks the house for collectors pics...the "TSR ARCHIVE" http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/index.htm now as to your question about playing it. I played my 1e campaign I built in 1979 until 2 years ago. When my players urged me to buy into 3.X. I seriously regret that decision 3000 dollars later. It's too complex, you can't ever learn all the rules, and feats make it really tough to generate an encounter on the fly like you used to be able to. for 2e, I've got the complete set of 2e revised black books, and also core rule 1.0 and core rule 2.0 on CD rom so that I got all kind of references for my games, via PC, books etc. I'm building a new 2e campaign from the ground up this month, that I will run via open RPG in may- June, if I can get it finished in time. I put my Spycraft game on hold for a month for the building of this new land. The guys at gygax gamers.com gave me my own sub forum to show people how. http://yougamenow.com/ggforums/viewforum.php?f=38 I play in Red Wizard's (member of these forums here) 1e game on open RPG monday nights. Great bunch of guys from these forums here, that follow the game on this thread: D&D Out of Print Forums: Does anyone still play 1st edition D&D? http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=991185 Welcome to the fourms. Ask anything you like as to rules, etc, we'll hook you up. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : RedWizard Date : 04-26-08 09:46 PM Thread Title : Re: first & second edition Pretty much Etarnon and sblaxman said it all. Though just to knitpick, the origional 1st Edition DMG has an efreet on the cover, not a demon and the second cover of the 1st edition PHB has a mage casting a spell (binding?) on a demon/devil. As far as the question on whether it is worth it to buy books from these editions, I would say it was. The books themselves can be found very cheap relative to 3.5 and the time it takes to learn these editions is short, though you can spend a great deal of time in the 1st Ed. DMG if you wish to read it cover to cover, which I recommend for the sheer joy of it (learn about new psychotic behaviors and see a chart on random harlot characteristics). Actual roleplay in my opinion flows more smoothly in the earlier editions as there are less rules to debate and DMs tend to be accorded greater authority. You wont be at a loss for material, TSR put out a great deal for both editions and a lot of it is very good. You can also interchange the two editions fairly easily as they are not that far apart. It is also possible to adopt "basic" D&D material into either edition and the origional Gazeteers make up perhaps the best campaign world I have yet seen. Feel free to drop in on our online forum game some Monday night if you would like to see a 1st edition game being run. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : sblaxman Date : 04-27-08 01:21 AM Thread Title : Re: first & second edition Correct on the efreet, good catch :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Extempus Date : 04-27-08 02:22 AM Thread Title : Re: first & second edition Pretty much Etarnon and sblaxman said it all. Though just to knitpick, the origional 1st Edition DMG has an efreet on the cover, not a demon and the second cover of the 1st edition PHB has a mage casting a spell (binding?) on a demon/devil. I always thought it was a berbalang, but that's just me... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : True_Atlantean Date : 05-01-08 06:29 AM Thread Title : Re: first & second edition I'll give a plug to one location that can get you most of the 1st ed and 2nd ed books, albeit in legal PDF. www.paizo.com are fine lads who have a flat fee of US$4 on all their out-of-print books (which is all the first and second edition titles) and you don't have to pay shipping as a link is e-mailed to you (in about ten minutes from purchase) and you can download them. I've printed all my eBooks out, which is vastly different to owning the real thing, but if you wanted a supplement to read or playtest, this is by far the cheapest option for you. I do prefer the original real copy, but, as I've lamented far too often before, shipping from the States is often the deal-breaker for me (especially from eBay sellers). Let me know if you do go ahead with the Paizo option. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:22 AM.