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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 16, 2005 9:06:05 Hi all,
Rise and Fall of a Sorceror King sounds like good stuff, but I never made it round to adding it to my collection back while I was playing 2nd Ed DS.
Some notes exist on it I believe at the athas online site but this has been really quirky lately and I can't open this file.
Could anyone highlight or lead me towards a site with the main points of the book and what a DM running a post FY 10 campaign should know?
(No worries about spoiling the story, I'm pretty sure of what happens in the end)
Ta
#2
zombiegleemax
Nov 16, 2005 11:20:33 You should know that many people consider it to do so much violence to the DS universe, both in terms of contradictions with the backstory and aesthetic violations, that it is not canon. YMMV.
#3
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 16, 2005 12:33:53
RaFoaSK: what shud a DM know

For starters, how to spell "should" :P
#4
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 16, 2005 12:36:07
Some notes exist on it I believe at the athas online site but this has been really quirky lately and I can't open this file.

The site's server was down for several days. It's back up and should be working fine now. The file you're talking about is in pdf format. Right click and select "Save As" to download the file to your desktop. Then open it locally. It should open in Acrobat Reader, assuming you have said software. Let me know if that doesn't help and you get any error messages.
#5
zombiegleemax
Nov 17, 2005 4:37:29 Thanks guys,

I was able to open the file this time.

I know what you mean about how much 'violence' the book does to the Dark Sun setting. I ask, did the Prism Pentad not do the same back when we were playing 2nd Ed? At first, an Athas without the Dragon and the seven sorceror kings seemed to go against the whole idea we'd constructed of Dark Sun and took some getting used to.

But it is hard to ignore the events described in the novels and the implications these would have on a campaign you are running. At any rate, there will always be some people (or not?) who will contemplate the ramifications of the novel on their campaigns.

My question, perhaps better phrased (and spelt, I hope), is if you were to accept the events of Rise and Fall of a Sorceror King into your campaign, what would be the (minimum) changes you should make?

Does Hamanu still rule Urik at the end of what, FY 14 (unclear from the notes)?
If so, what kind of king is he now and how does the city of Urik respond to the change?

At any rate, I like some of the ideas of the novel from the notes I've read.
#6
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 17, 2005 4:56:34
My question, perhaps better phrased (and spelt, I hope), is if you were to accept the events of Rise and Fall of a Sorceror King into your campaign, what would be the (minimum) changes you should make?

I use the book as canon in my campaigns - including that Kalak wasn't one of the original champions - except the confrontation near the end and the aftermath. I ignore that part.
#7
master_ivan
Nov 17, 2005 7:57:32 Where??
#8
Sysane
Nov 17, 2005 8:17:33
I ask, did the Prism Pentad not do the same back when we were playing 2nd Ed? At first, an Athas without the Dragon and the seven sorceror kings seemed to go against the whole idea we'd constructed of Dark Sun and took some getting used to.

What people seem to forget is that the PP spans 10+ years from the Verdant Passage to the Cerulean Storm. If people start at free year 1 thats 10 years they can play with the Dragon of Tyr and all the SK minus Kalak.
#9
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Nov 17, 2005 8:31:40
I use the book as canon in my campaigns - including that Kalak wasn't one of the original champions, except the confrontation near the end and the aftermath. I ignore that part.

I tend to more or less follow the same line of thinking on that.
#10
zombiegleemax
Nov 18, 2005 4:20:47 Yeah, I tend to agree with the oracle too.
If I were to answer my own questions then I'd say Hamanu is still around after FY15 (or whenever exactly RaFoaSK is set) and not much has changed overtly in Urik. Though Hananu perhaps becomes less aggressive (for a time), as his allegiances shift away from Gallard and the Oba.

By the way, this all comes as speculation of the possible consequences of Dregoth's Ascent part III, which I'm very keen to get my mandibles into.

Time to put Master Ivan out of his misery, methinks: the notes are on the Athas Online site (the link through the official DS web site is the easiest way).
#11
Zardnaar
Nov 18, 2005 4:49:06 Is there a PDF of this book somewhere. had it years ago, read it once and lent it and never got it back.
#12
jon_oracle_of_athas
Nov 18, 2005 5:02:03
Is there a PDF of this book somewhere. had it years ago, read it once and lent it and never got it back.

Unfortunately, no. The DS novels were never made available for sale in .pdf.
#13
Zardnaar
Nov 18, 2005 5:35:58
Unfortunately, no. The DS novels were never made available for sale in .pdf.

Oh well I have another copy coming from the USA. Must be patient.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 16, 2005 9:06:05	Hi all, Rise and Fall of a Sorceror King sounds like good stuff, but I never made it round to adding it to my collection back while I was playing 2nd Ed DS. Some notes exist on it I believe at the athas online site but this has been really quirky lately and I can't open this file. Could anyone highlight or lead me towards a site with the main points of the book and what a DM running a post FY 10 campaign should know? (No worries about spoiling the story, I'm pretty sure of what happens in the end) Ta
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 16, 2005 11:20:33	You should know that many people consider it to do so much violence to the DS universe, both in terms of contradictions with the backstory and aesthetic violations, that it is not canon. YMMV.
#3 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 16, 2005 12:33:53	RaFoaSK: what shud a DM know For starters, how to spell "should" :P
#4 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 16, 2005 12:36:07	Some notes exist on it I believe at the athas online site but this has been really quirky lately and I can't open this file. The site's server was down for several days. It's back up and should be working fine now. The file you're talking about is in pdf format. Right click and select "Save As" to download the file to your desktop. Then open it locally. It should open in Acrobat Reader, assuming you have said software. Let me know if that doesn't help and you get any error messages.
#5 zombiegleemax Nov 17, 2005 4:37:29	Thanks guys, I was able to open the file this time. I know what you mean about how much 'violence' the book does to the Dark Sun setting. I ask, did the Prism Pentad not do the same back when we were playing 2nd Ed? At first, an Athas without the Dragon and the seven sorceror kings seemed to go against the whole idea we'd constructed of Dark Sun and took some getting used to. But it is hard to ignore the events described in the novels and the implications these would have on a campaign you are running. At any rate, there will always be some people (or not?) who will contemplate the ramifications of the novel on their campaigns. My question, perhaps better phrased (and spelt, I hope), is if you were to accept the events of Rise and Fall of a Sorceror King into your campaign, what would be the (minimum) changes you should make? Does Hamanu still rule Urik at the end of what, FY 14 (unclear from the notes)? If so, what kind of king is he now and how does the city of Urik respond to the change? At any rate, I like some of the ideas of the novel from the notes I've read.
#6 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 17, 2005 4:56:34	My question, perhaps better phrased (and spelt, I hope), is if you were to accept the events of Rise and Fall of a Sorceror King into your campaign, what would be the (minimum) changes you should make? I use the book as canon in my campaigns - including that Kalak wasn't one of the original champions - except the confrontation near the end and the aftermath. I ignore that part.
#7 master_ivan Nov 17, 2005 7:57:32	Where??
#8 Sysane Nov 17, 2005 8:17:33	I ask, did the Prism Pentad not do the same back when we were playing 2nd Ed? At first, an Athas without the Dragon and the seven sorceror kings seemed to go against the whole idea we'd constructed of Dark Sun and took some getting used to. What people seem to forget is that the PP spans 10+ years from the Verdant Passage to the Cerulean Storm. If people start at free year 1 thats 10 years they can play with the Dragon of Tyr and all the SK minus Kalak.
#9 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 17, 2005 8:31:40	I use the book as canon in my campaigns - including that Kalak wasn't one of the original champions, except the confrontation near the end and the aftermath. I ignore that part. I tend to more or less follow the same line of thinking on that.
#10 zombiegleemax Nov 18, 2005 4:20:47	Yeah, I tend to agree with the oracle too. If I were to answer my own questions then I'd say Hamanu is still around after FY15 (or whenever exactly RaFoaSK is set) and not much has changed overtly in Urik. Though Hananu perhaps becomes less aggressive (for a time), as his allegiances shift away from Gallard and the Oba. By the way, this all comes as speculation of the possible consequences of Dregoth's Ascent part III, which I'm very keen to get my mandibles into. Time to put Master Ivan out of his misery, methinks: the notes are on the Athas Online site (the link through the official DS web site is the easiest way).
#11 Zardnaar Nov 18, 2005 4:49:06	Is there a PDF of this book somewhere. had it years ago, read it once and lent it and never got it back.
#12 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 18, 2005 5:02:03	Is there a PDF of this book somewhere. had it years ago, read it once and lent it and never got it back. Unfortunately, no. The DS novels were never made available for sale in .pdf.
#13 Zardnaar Nov 18, 2005 5:35:58	Unfortunately, no. The DS novels were never made available for sale in .pdf. Oh well I have another copy coming from the USA. Must be patient.