half-elf, half-gith....never mind the crazy backgroung. what would be the racial traits?
have a few ideas, but want to see yours. wanting to make a half-elf, half-gith female assassin in the employ of the shadow king. figured i better have the stats first though
Pairing a gith with a nikaal or other coldblooded lizard-like creature could work.
This is nitpicking but I read in one of the short stories that gith lay eggs...kinda difficult to mate with such a creature then. I'd say pairing a Rebirth race with a gith doesn't work.
Pairing a gith with a nikaal or other coldblooded lizard-like creature could work.
If you follow with the adventure Black Spine, then the gith are not a rebirth race (unless you meant elves) as they are the degenerated off-spring of the Githyanki.
As for a half gith/elf - I would say +4 Dex, -4 Cha (maybe -2 Con), no natural armor, +5 racial to jump, speed 30', +2 racial bonus to listen, search, perform, hide, move silently, and spot, natural resistance to extreme temps, low-light vision, natural weapon (claws) 1d3. LA+1
Kal, I just meant that one of the adventures has a short story that reveals biological info on the gith which precludes them from mating with a mammalian.
Maybe its possible that the githyanki that were left near mindless due to the mindbomb wandered from Yathizor to the vicinity of the Pristine Tower and were transformed into the gith.
That’s odd that they lay eggs. If they're descendants of the githyanki that would make them mammalian. The last time I checked githyanki weren’t hatched.
Oh my...could you possibly have...no, impossible...wow, yes, I think you found one! An inconsistency! Wow, they're so rare!
:P
Oh my...could you possibly have...no, impossible...wow, yes, I think you found one! An inconsistency! Wow, they're so rare!
:P
Yeah I know. I think the best explination was the Pristine Tower theory. Black Spine is relatively near it after all.
I don't have access to most of my 2nd Ed studff at the moment but reference to egg laying can certainly be found in Dungeon 100 and some other 3rd Ed resources.
Ermm, Githyanki have always been egg laying. They were altered from a human race by the illithids millennia past before Gith led her people against their mind flayer masters and shattered the Illithid Empire. They are mammals but lay eggs to reproduce.
I don't have access to most of my 2nd Ed studff at the moment but reference to egg laying can certainly be found in Dungeon 100 and some other 3rd Ed resources.
Is that a fact? I never seen any reference to the egg laying and I have most info on the Githyanki. I'll have to look thru it to verify that.
If this is the way it is done, then there is no reason to think that it could not happen that a half breed is created. If the mother is gith then they would be hatched out of an egg and possibly be more gith-like, or the mother be of another race and is born normally for that race and have a greater number of the mothers racial features.
I found this quote on EN world from Erik Mona:
We had to tackle this for "Incursion" a few years back. Apparently, githyanki _are_ egg layers, but I can't vouch for the pedigree of the original source. All I know is that I can't ever imagine introducing githyanki eggs in any of my campaigns. Sometimes, a new spin on a monster doesn't "take" for me, and this would be one such case.
--Erik Mona
Take it for what its worth, but I tend to agree with that.
That’s odd that they lay eggs. If they're descendants of the githyanki that would make them mammalian. The last time I checked githyanki weren’t hatched.
Oh my...could you possibly have...no, impossible...wow, yes, I think you found one! An inconsistency! Wow, they're so rare!
:P
Why would that be an inconsistancy? Egg laying mammals exist in real life, they are called monotremes.
Check out this great article on monotremes. There's no reason that in a fantasy world with sentient insects that sentient montremes can't also occur. I never knew that about gith (or their ancestors), but I rather like the idea! 
Ermm, Githyanki have always been egg laying. They were altered from a human race by the illithids millennia past before Gith led her people against their mind flayer masters and shattered the Illithid Empire. They are mammals but lay eggs to reproduce.
I don't have access to most of my 2nd Ed studff at the moment but reference to egg laying can certainly be found in Dungeon 100 and some other 3rd Ed resources.
Yeppers...he is correct on that. Forgot all about that, and kind of embarressed that I've missed the ds reference. OH WELL!!!
Why would that be an inconsistancy? Egg laying mammals exist in real life, they are called monotremes.
Er, you're missing the point here.
Yes this is a fantasy setting, thus incredible things can happen, but as far as I know children are still created through intercourse requiring compatible sex organs, compatible DNA (humans and dwarves apparently are compatible enough), and compatible "womb" system.
Half-drakes and half-elementals can be created through mystic fusion of the two base creatures, but there is no intercourse. In the same way an Athasian human cannot have a crodlu-child from having intercourse with his crodlu, if you pardon me the image.
In short, I don't think gith are compatible with any of the classic Rebirth races, not having (at the very least) a compatible "womb" system.
:D , What's wrong with half-crodlu?
The Athasian night can get cold
Then you could answer that ages old question: "What came first, the gith or the egg?" :D
Then you could answer that ages old question: "What came first, the gith or the egg?" :D
Hehe!
Then you could answer that ages old question: "What came first, the gith or the egg?" :D
Thats probably a major component of Balic philosophy.
and what about a half-inix for all those lonely half-giants :D
They are mammals but lay eggs to reproduce.
Kinda like the duck-billed platapus. ;)
There are at least 5 real world equivalents of mammals laying eggs.
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Er, Fig beat me to it.
The Athasian night can get cold
"And I thought they smelled bad on the outside."
Sounds like ground to make an Athasian satyr.
Um no, let's not go there.
Yeah, yeah, that's it, don't go there, bad image.
:D
"And I thought they smelled bad on the outside."
Star Wars quote :D Have a cookie
"And I thought they smelled bad on the outside."
Empire Strikes Back, Han Solo when slicing up the Tauntaun.
As for a Dark Sun variant, tried boiling a kank?
"And I thought they tasted bad uncooked"
The Athasian night can get cold
Ya- this is really wrong on so many different levels- lets keep it PG shall we
Ya- this is really wrong on so many different levels- lets keep it PG shall we
Yeah, I think he was shooting for PG-13 on that one. Which means hypothetically there is a line, but you can dance it like you are the star of Flashdance. :D
See the King Kong remake and Chronicles of Narnia: Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe for examples.
Kinda like the duck-billed platapus. ;)
There are at least 5 real world equivalents of mammals laying eggs.
....
Er, Fig beat me to it.
Sorry, according to my book there are only three!
Well then you are reading the wrong book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme* ORDER MONOTREMATA
o Family Ornithorhynchidae: platypus
+ Platypus, Ornithorhyncus anatinus
o Family Tachyglossidae: echidnas
+ Short-beaked Echidna, Tachyglossus aculeatus
+ Long-beaked Echidna, Zaglossus brujinii
+ Cyclops Long-beaked Echidna, Zaglossus attenboroughi
+ Barton's Long-beaked Echidna, Zaglossus bartoni
If you want to get really technical, there have been 9 total species counting those that are extinct.
Well then you are reading the wqrong book.
* ORDER MONOTREMATA
o Family Ornithorhynchidae: platypus
+ Platypus, Ornithorhyncus anatinus
o Family Tachyglossidae: echidnas
+ Short-beaked Echidna, Tachyglossus aculeatus
+ Long-beaked Echidna, Zaglossus brujinii
+ Cyclops Long-beaked Echidna, Zaglossus attenboroughi
+ Barton's Long-beaked Echidna, Zaglossus bartoni
If you want to get really technical, there have been 9 total species counting those that are extinct.
:D I think I'll trust my copy of: "The Encyclopedia of Animals: A Complete Visual Guide" (released by University of California Press, 1st copyright 2004) over the Wikipedia. And extinct species do not count.
plus, if you want to get really technical we don't have any idea how many extinct species of egg-laying mammals there might have been in the past. Fossil records are far from complete. If you'll look further into the sources that mention those "extra" species you'll notice that it is a book published in 1998 and they were listed as endangered. Those two species have probably gone extinct since then.Wikipedia is usually more up to date than that on most of the subjects I read up on.
So no more Long-beaked Echidna or Cyclops Long-beaked Echidna for us.
Interesting, the Cyclops Long-beaked Echidna is mentioned to *have lived* in the Cyclops mountains in Irian Jaya, but doesn't mention anything about it's extinction in the article other than that. Nice way of updating there, heh.
This is why he is the SAGE, man! :D
Yeah, I can't wait till I can start taking some biology classes when I start up school again. Miss learning about this stuff.
This is why he is the SAGE, man! :D
Shouldn't he be able to spell his name properly then? :P
This is a pretty bizarre thread. I have a feeling it'll be like the french-cananadian thread - it'll be a kank that reanimates indefinitely.
Don't say its name! Don't say its name!!
Shouldn't he be able to spell his name properly then? :P
Shouldn't he be able to spell his name properly then? :P
An irreconcilable clerical error....
An irreconcilable clerical error....
Those darned clerics, always sticking their noses in and messing things up for everyone else! At least under the 2e rules, this could never have happened - there weren't any clerics back in those days...
An irreconcilable clerical error....QUOTE]
Not as big a mistake as those meddling dolphins. :P
Speaking of which, I have stated my opinion on those in the LA/CR thread. :D
This is a pretty bizarre thread. I have a feeling it'll be like the french-cananadian thread - it'll be a kank that reanimates indefinitely.
Someone's old fashionned here, no one called us that since about '65... :P
Edited my post. It now reads french-canadians. Though maybe it should read "quasi-arrogant wannabe frogeaters". ;) :P
My my, what language! :D Quebecers will do fine, or lords-of-all-we-survey-and-then-some.
How about "people whose ancestors ate frogs"? :P
Impossible! They don't have compatible womb-systems. :D
Edited my post. It now reads french-canadians. Though maybe it should read "quasi-arrogant wannabe frogeaters". ;) :P
Hmmmm, I guess that makes me a wannabe quasi-arrogant wannabe frogeater.
Boys, let the revolution begin. Follow me to Norway!
:bounce:
Impossible! They don't have compatible womb-systems. :D
:heehee
