What are the people from Ebe called?
Ideas: Eben, Ebean, Ebenese, Eboshi, Ebot, Ebish, Ebeshan, Ebian, or something else?
Also, if you can think of adjectives for other community groups, go ahead and post those too.
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Ebenites
Ebenese
Ebeish
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BLAST IT!!! I wanted to post that! Stupid work...
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today is my first time on this site in a long time :P so he beat me too it also ;) though I was going to say something like extinct or dying or soon to be fossils :P
actually, with borys gone, likely the city will disband into a new wave of raiders.. they can't make it out there.. so they will travel towards the tyr region (is that closest?) and don't forget many of the citizens are very powerful characters... so they can cause some nice havoc
today is my first time on this site in a long time :P so he beat me too it also ;) though I was going to say something like extinct or dying or soon to be fossils :P
actually, with borys gone, likely the city will disband into a new wave of raiders.. they can't make it out there.. so they will travel towards the tyr region (is that closest?) and don't forget many of the citizens are very powerful characters... so they can cause some nice havoc
Ebe was swallowed by the silt sea a long time ago- so I do not see hw they could become raiders. I think you were thinking of Ur Draxa (but my thinking of your thinking could be incorrect thinking
)I would go with Ebenites (or Ebanites) :D
I second this. Go with Ebanites unless the people are supposed to be asian-ish, then go with Ebenese.
Ebonics? Oh, wait... that's that failed "language"... :P
or Valley Girls and Valley Boys (as in the Valley of Dust and Fire)
Ebe was swallowed by the silt sea a long time ago- so I do not see hw they could become raiders. I think you were thinking of Ur Draxa (but my thinking of your thinking could be incorrect thinking
true, borys of ebe, borys of ur draxa ;) I did have them confused...
People of the Dragon
or Valley Girls and Valley Boys (as in the Valley of Dust and Fire)
I thought that Ur-Draxa was in the Valley of Dust and Fire. Ebe was elsewhere.
I thought that Ur-Draxa was in the Valley of Dust and Fire. Ebe was elsewhere.
It is- Ede is under the silt sea and as far as I know, it is not located where Ur Draxa is.
I thought that Ur-Draxa was in the Valley of Dust and Fire. Ebe was elsewhere.
My bad I got them confused too.
I'm partial to Ebish (as in Irish) myself. There's to many "ites" "nites" and "nese" IMO.
Yeah, that does sound better. I changed my mind -- go with Ebish.
Eboshi or Ebish?
What about Ebeshan?
It would be nice for some consensus from other people before I decide for my own homebrew, which is why I raised the question in the first place.
Ebeans (e-b-hanns)
I'd take out the second "e" because it can become confusing (and look like "e-been-s". I'd rather see:
Ebans
I'd take out the second "e" because it can become confusing (and look like "e-been-s". I'd rather see:
Ebans
Aroo? Whatchou talkin' bout, Cliff?
Ebeans, pronouced as in eeebeeehans.
Stimulation --> Stimulans
Ebe --> Ebeans
Something like that. Ebans sounds moronic, but the "eeebeeehans" pronouciation sounds fun like plebeans.
Or something. I'm not saying the ans suffix is correctly used, far from. I'm not even a first language english speaker. But its cool sounding. Isn't that the point of those fantasy names? :P
Or something. I'm not saying the ans suffix is correctly used, far from. I'm not even a first language english speaker. But its cool sounding. Isn't that the point of those fantasy names? :P
I don't think it matters what language is your first in a discussion like this ;)
I think the only reason people are shying away from Ebeans is reveals when you take the 1st letter away: beans.... :D
But, I like the idea of them being E-beans.
For Ebe the citizens could be called Ebeians.
I have no problem with the appearance of certain words being part of larger words, like beans in ebeans. Such twists of the language exist in hundreds of examples and people nonetheless don't complain.
Vortexa, the city of Ebe is located near the shore of the silt sea, but the citadel of Ebe is a fortress. Since its not located near any sea it means that the fortress was not located in or around the city.
Kurn maintains a fortress several miles from the city, now imagine if the game designers had called it the Citadel of Kurn...
Sage, I've looked up the name I was refering to and its spelled plebeians, the common people of ancient Rome.
For Ebe the citizens could be called Ebeians.
I have no problem with the appearance of certain words being part of larger words, like beans in ebeans. Such twists of the language exist in hundreds of examples and people nonetheless don't complain.
I was just being silly, I do like the sound of Ebeians, the whole idea about the spelling Ebeans is that it's hard to figure out how it is pronounced, and many people would think it was pronounced E-beans which is pretty silly. :P
Ebe's under the silt sea? Didn't Rikus end up in the Citadel of Ebe in The Crimson Legion? And he got there by walking, IIRC.
It was Borys' Citadel, it had nothing to do with Ebe IIRC.
Ebite(s)
My opinion is that short names are better than long names. So please, no Ebeneans or Ebonites (which sounds like something from a Superman rip-off). :P
Sage, I've looked up the name I was refering to and its spelled plebeians, the common people of ancient Rome.
For Ebe the citizens could be called Ebeians.
Evians?
I have no problem with the appearance of certain words being part of larger words, like beans in ebeans. Such twists of the language exist in hundreds of examples and people nonetheless don't complain.
Well.... it bugs me. "Ebans" or even "Ebians" would work better, in my opinion. I've always pronounced "Ebe" with the last "e" being silent, and generally speaking, a silent "e" is dropped when you begin adding suffixes to words (in most cases). "Ebeans" just looks wrong.
Sage, I've looked up the name I was refering to and its spelled plebeians, the common people of ancient Rome.
For Ebe the citizens could be called Ebeians.Yeah, this is technically a correct definition of plebeian, but in a modern context the word indicates one who is vulgar, without class, or lacking in intelligence... thus when I hear "Ebeians" I think of that just because of the sound association. While this could be true of the people of Ebe, it's still not a good association to have when inventing a term. (It's why the designers avoided using the easier term of "Raamish" for Raam because it sounds too much like "Amish," which also has a preconceived notion.)
However, if you are going to use that name for the people of Ebe, as Darkhelm said, you should drop the last E so that it is written "Ebians." It looks more grammatically correct and/or aesthetically pleasing.
[EDIT: Darkhelm said that, not Sage.]
As for your mention of amish, the same is true of irish and jewish, with plenty of low, under-the-belt associations for both. Still, plebeian is, to nearly everyone, an academic word used by historians, or a qualificative referencing its ancient roman meaning and transposed unto modern societies. Again, its not everyday people who use the term, so its pretty safe.
What I'd like to see is the sounds Eb followed by the eians sound, why I wrote it Ebeians. If you can convince me that people will indeed pronouce Ebians that way, then super, otherwise I'd be tempted to pronouce it Eb followed by ians. I think 3 syllables work better than 2 in this case. Otherwise it would sound like this, if you pronouce it like its spelled: Eb'ians or Eb-ians.
Ahh, who knows, maybe I'm totally wrong and will think the opposite tomorrow. Bha.
xlorepdarkhelm, Evian, like the bottled water? :P Hehe, just joking here. I did not know a silent letter was usually droped when a suffix was added, and its cool as long as the original word can clearly be recognized in the sound or spelling of the new word. The examples I've seen that have Eb followed by a suffix don't strike me as clearly originating from Ebe.
And yes, I too do not pronouce the second e. Who does? It sounds quite unthreatening if you do pronouce it, all the luster of the word draining away...
However, if you are going to use that name for the people of Ebe, as Sage said, you should drop the last E so that it is written "Ebians." It looks more grammatically correct and/or aesthetically pleasing.
When did I say that:D
When did I say that
Oops, sorry. I was referring to helm's post. I saw sage in bold letters in the original post and put sage instead of helm. My mistake. :embarrass
As for your mention of amish, the same is true of irish and jewish, with plenty of low, under-the-belt associations for both. Still, plebeian is, to nearly everyone, an academic word used by historians, or a qualificative referencing its ancient roman meaning and transposed unto modern societies. Again, its not everyday people who use the term, so its pretty safe.
In contrast, my definition is the only definition of the word I've ever known as a native English speaker and a graduate student in English. I had to double-check in the dictionary to make sure that your definition was true. Surely enough, both definitions are there, so we're both right. You're probably right, though... not enough people know the word plebeian for it to truly matter.
Ebish doesn't sound as much like Irish or Jewish as Raamish does to Amish. Raamish actually would sound more natural than Raamin, but it was avoided because of that similarity in sound. (Then again, Raamin sounds like Ramen Noodles, so they just couldn't win with that one.
)In closing, I would still suggest spelling it Ebian. It just looks better and seems more natural. It would still be pronounced in the same way as "Ebeian," of course... it's just that the E followed by the I looks really bad and unnatural in English. The word plebeian is one of those rare exceptions. Again, it's just a suggestion and it's your call... just giving my "professional opinion" on the matter.
It was Borys' Citadel, it had nothing to do with Ebe IIRC.
You are correct that Borys held the Citadel at one time, but it is indeed specifically named the Citadel of Ebe in the beginning chapters of Amber Enchantress (p.24):
"The day came when Jo'orsh and Sa'ram returned to Kemalok and saw what Borys had done to the city of their forebears. Both men swore to track down the butcher and destroy him. They set off for the mighty Citadel of Ebe with all their retainers and squires. When they reached his stronghold, however, they found it long abandoned, occupied now only by a handful of wraiths patiently awaiting the return of their master."
And on the name of the peoples, my first impression was the same as Penn's. I'm happiest with that one.
What do others think? Do you feel this or other's names are strong contenders?
xlorepdarkhelm, Evian, like the bottled water? :P
That was the joke I was making there :P
Hehe, just joking here. I did not know a silent letter was usually droped when a suffix was added, and its cool as long as the original word can clearly be recognized in the sound or spelling of the new word. The examples I've seen that have Eb followed by a suffix don't strike me as clearly originating from Ebe.
And yes, I too do not pronouce the second e. Who does? It sounds quite unthreatening if you do pronouce it, all the luster of the word draining away...
Which is why I feel the need to remove it for this purpose.
So Ebeian for the heck of it, or the more realistic Ebian. Works for me.
What do others think? Do you feel this or other's names are strong contenders?
Not that I have any plans for Ebe any time soon, but I plan on using either Ebish or Ebs.
In contrast, my definition is the only definition of the word I've ever known as a native English speaker and a graduate student in English. I had to double-check in the dictionary to make sure that your definition was true. Surely enough, both definitions are there, so we're both right. You're probably right, though... not enough people know the word plebeian for it to truly matter.
Not unlike the word anarchy. Most people associate it with chaos, terrorism and other unlawful activities. However, the original meaning of anarchy was a political system without government, where people have the freedom to govern themselves.
As a non-native English speaker, European and academic, my first encounter with the term Plebeian was in history classes in high school. They probably don´t teach that in high school history classes in the US.
Not unlike the word anarchy. Most people associate it with chaos, terrorism and other unlawful activities. However, the original meaning of anarchy was a political system without government, where people have the freedom to govern themselves.
As a non-native English speaker, European and academic, my first encounter with the term Plebeian was in history classes in high school. They probably don´t teach that in high school history classes in the US.
No all they teach us in this country is how to be good consumers and not to question what we are told..... I'm not being sarcastic either.
No all they teach us in this country is how to be good consumers and not to question what we are told..... I'm not being sarcastic either.
Sadly, I know that you're not being sarcastic.
That's a very accurate statement.Not unlike the word anarchy. Most people associate it with chaos, terrorism and other unlawful activities. However, the original meaning of anarchy was a political system without government, where people have the freedom to govern themselves.
As a non-native English speaker, European and academic, my first encounter with the term Plebeian was in history classes in high school. They probably don´t teach that in high school history classes in the US.
Yeah, you're right about both parts. I knew both uses of anarchy, but most people do in fact associate anarchy with lawlessness and terrorism. Of course, the common person here associates practically everything with terrorism these days, unfortunately. As for the second part, the only history that is really emphasized in the average high school curriculum is American history.
No all they teach us in this country is how to be good consumers and not to question what we are told..... I'm not being sarcastic either.
Go consumerism! I have a bachelor´s degree in marketing, so I just had to say that. :P
Yeah, you're right about both parts. I knew both uses of anarchy, but most people do in fact associate anarchy with lawlessness and terrorism. Of course, the common person here associates practically everything with terrorism these days, unfortunately. As for the second part, the only history that is really emphasized in the average high school curriculum is American history.
My point, which I did not necessarily make clearly, was that cultural context could be more relevant than whether or not one is a native english speaker, for purposes of knowing both meanings of the word plebeian.
My point, which I did not necessarily make clearly, was that cultural context could be more relevant than whether or not one is a native english speaker, for purposes of knowing both meanings of the word plebeian.
I should apologize then, because I didn't mean to imply that NOT being a native English speaker was the determining factor. I agree with you, actually, that it's a cultural factor... the people of England and of the US all technically speak English as a native language, for example, but there are many cultural differences that lead to varying definitions of the same words. I was just trying to show that I, coming from a different culture (and language is a part of one's culture), am more accustomed to a different meaning of the same word than what you perhaps had learned. I just thought it was important to point out because the word has a negative connotation for us here. I apologize for unintentionally implying that one has to be a native English speaker to know the meanings of a word.
Gaaagh! What the...I'm brainless! Damn you, Sage!
Guess Sage didn't grasp my joke, must be brainless too... Damn you, zombies!
I should apologize then, because I didn't mean to imply that NOT being a native English speaker was the determining factor. I agree with you, actually, that it's a cultural factor... the people of England and of the US all technically speak English as a native language, for example, but there are many cultural differences that lead to varying definitions of the same words.
Then we agree.
I was just trying to show that I, coming from a different culture (and language is a part of one's culture), am more accustomed to a different meaning of the same word than what you perhaps had learned. I just thought it was important to point out because the word has a negative connotation for us here.
Pennarin, being a french-canadian, was the one who first brought up plebeians. He is most definitely from your part of the world. In any case, it would not be prudent to generalize from a sample of three people.
I apologize for unintentionally implying that one has to be a native English speaker to know the meanings of a word.
I saw nothing condescending in your post, so no need to apologize for anything.