Why heartpick is an exotic weapon dealing 1d8 of damage for medium creatures and a critical x4? Isn't it exactly the same as heavy pick made of bone, wood and/or stone?
The same with dejada. I like the idea of this weapon, but I don't think that many players would choose it as their weapon, because it's exotic an does average damage.
Hi I'm new here and I have some doubts concerning DS 3.5 weapons.
Why heartpick is an exotic weapon dealing 1d8 of damage for medium creatures and a critical x4? Isn't it exactly the same as heavy pick made of bone, wood and/or stone?
The same with dejada. I like the idea of this weapon, but I don't think that many players would choose it as their weapon, because it's exotic an does average damage.
A heavy pick made of bone does 1d6-1 with a crit multiplier of -3
a Heartpick does 1d8 with a crit of x4
so no, they are not identical.
As for the dejada. It doesn't really matter that no one would choose it as a weapon, nearly all of the Dark Sun weapons were present in the original incarnations of the world.
Now, as for the reasons why people would choose a dejada. Sure, it only does d6 damage, has a range increment of 30ft. However, how is a free alchemical fire burst, or a free dose of poison?
Pelota, Hinged: To the careless eye a hinged pelota looks like an ordinary pelota without obsidian spikes.
Hinged pelota can be twisted open like a small jar. Bards and other undesirables often use this feature to insert a
splash-globe – a thin crystal sphere that contains acid, injury poison, contact poison, alchemical fire, or some
other liquid. When the pelota strikes, the globe breaks, spilling the liquid through the holes of the pelota. Like
pelota, hinged pelota can be thrown with a dejada. Hinged pelotas are also used as ammunition for the
splashbow.
I am assuming that it is because it uses these hinged pelotas is why it is an exotic weapon, and I agree with the decision.
A heavy pick made of bone does 1d6-1 with a crit multiplier of -3
a Heartpick does 1d8 with a crit of x4
Heavy pick has a critic multiplier x4 but it doesn't matter. Heartpick has the same construction as Heavy Pick from inferior materials, or am I wrong? So why are there so many differences between this two weapon stats.
Now, as for the reasons why people would choose a dejada. Sure, it only does d6 damage, has a range increment of 30ft. However, how is a free alchemical fire burst, or a free dose of poison?
Oh. Yes, you are right, I'am wrong.
Gladiators.
Don't say that half of the weapon list is designed only for gladiators. It is discrimiantion of other classes.
Don't say that half of the weapon list is designed only for gladiators. It is discrimiantion of other classes.
Actually, more than half of the weapons in Dark Sun were made for the Gladiator class. Both mechanically (from 2E materials), as well as in the flavor of the setting (most of the exotic, and several of the now classified "non-exotic" weapons are primarily used in the arenas). Sorry if you apparently missed the memo, but that's just been the case. TSR really favored the Gladiators in this regard, and Athas.org has been working on getting the weapons into a more "mainstream" system -- which is why a good number of Athasian weapons are not exotic any more.
Don't say that half of the weapon list is designed only for gladiators. It is discrimiantion of other classes.
Actually, more than half of the weapons in Dark Sun were made for the Gladiator class.
That comment made me laugh...though you are correct. Let's hope noone files a discrimination lawsuit against Dark Sun.
I've noticed another nonsense. Singing Sticks are another useless weapon. What is the sense of picking an Exotic Weapon Profinency while you can pick Two Weapon Fighting and fight with two clubs. If you pick EWP (Singing Sticks) you can profinently fight with only two singing sticks and picking TWF allows you to fight not only with two swishing stalks.
You would do well to think before you speak. You can fighting with two singing sticks even if you have a dexterity of less then 15 and/or aren't a Ranger with the two-weapon fighting style.
Don't say that half of the weapon list is designed only for gladiators. It is discrimiantion of other classes.
Not everything exists to please munchkins.
I've noticed another nonsense. Singing Sticks are another useless weapon. What is the sense of picking an Exotic Weapon Profinency while you can pick Two Weapon Fighting and fight with two clubs. If you pick EWP (Singing Sticks) you can profinently fight with only two singing sticks and picking TWF allows you to fight not only with two swishing stalks.
Assuming you have a Dex of a 15, you can do so. If you are a fighter like the one I play in a Non-DS game, his Dex is a 10. He can't use Two Weapon Fighting, however, if Singing sticks were available, there's an option available for him.
Heavy pick has a critic multiplier x4 but it doesn't matter. Heartpick has the same construction as Heavy Pick from inferior materials, or am I wrong? So why are there so many differences between this two weapon stats.
Must have misread the weapon listing somehow. In any case, the main reason there are differences is so that more people will feel inclined to use DS weapons instead of standard D&D weapons. It helps get into the feel of things. So, to help this along, DS weapons are optimized to be made from "inferior" materials as you say, where D&D weapons are optimized to be made from metal and the like. So when you take weapons designed to be made from metal and such and make them from bone and stone, they lose a bit of their ooomph
Don't say that half of the weapon list is designed only for gladiators. It is discrimiantion of other classes.
xlorepdarkhelm hit it on the head. Most of the Dark Sun weapons were made for gladiators, and in 2e, they had special effects if Gladiators specialized in them. Like the Carrikal having a free d3 damage (if I recall correctly) because a specialized user was able to rake with the sharpened back end on the backswing.
When you think about a poor world, people are going to use the best weapon they can get their hand on. When you think about the arena, where people are paying to be entertained by blood sports, then the gladiators are going to be using some of the most flashy, bloody, entertaining weapons available. So, sorry, can't oblige you. Athas is a very harsh world. Descriminating against all of the happy fighters and rangers in favor of Galdiator weapons is just another harshness of the world.
DS weapons are optimized to be made from "inferior" materials as you say, where D&D weapons are optimized to be made from metal and the like. So when you take weapons designed to be made from metal and such and make them from bone and stone, they lose a bit of their ooomph
In other words, because the heavy pick is designed to be made from metal, but is made from bone instead, it does less damage. But because the heartpick is designed to be made from bone, it is more effective and does not get the penalty for being made of inferior materials (this applies to all DS-specific weapons)
In other words, because the heavy pick is designed to be made from metal, but is made from bone instead, it does less damage. But because the heartpick is designed to be made from bone, it is more effective and does not get the penalty for being made of inferior materials (this applies to all DS-specific weapons)
Yeah, thats it.. when I was typing that up I hit a blank when searching for that word.. hehe.
so yeah, what he said.
