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Racial PrCs

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#1
kalthandrix
Apr 28, 2006 8:43:09 Here are the PrCs that I either have or am waiting to have sent to me- This list may not be totally complete, as I am doing it from memory.

Aarakocra
(NONE)

Dwarf
Obstaniant Soul (dwarf), by Sysane

Elf
Desert Runner (elf), by Ruhl-Than Sage
Back-Alley Stalker (elf or half-elf), by Ruhl-Than Sage
Arcanist (elf), by brun01
Brown Elf (elf), by brun01 and Kalthandrix - IN PORCESS

Half-elf
Back-Alley Stalker (elf or half-elf), by Ruhl-Than Sage

Half-giant
Lion's Guard (half-giant), by Kalthandrix - IN PROCESS

Halfling
Halfling man-eater (halfling), by Megatherion

Mul
Mul Battlemaster (mul), by Kalthandrix - IN PROCESS

Pterran
(NONE)

Thri-kreen
Qhari-dre (thri-treen), by Methvezem - HAVE NOT RECEIVED
Hivemind (thri-kreen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS
Ta'chat-tho (thri-treen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS

Other
Tari Filth Monger (tari), by Sysane
Niksilae (nikaal), by Bengeldorn - HAVE NOT RECEIVED
Aguri (tarek), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS

Please post your ideas for more racial PrCs here.

Thanks.
#2
Sysane
Apr 28, 2006 9:09:00 I've been tinkering around with the following ideas for PrCs for the non-standard races of Athas.

-Lizardman wanderer druidish/ranger that gives them abilities to survive in the wastes far from the Last Sea.

-Ptrerran Earth Mother Champion (If there's not already one out there)

-Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the waters and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. :P
#3
huntercc
Apr 28, 2006 9:09:37 Something for the Pterrans would be nice, some sort of druid or earth cleric PrC
#4
kalthandrix
Apr 28, 2006 9:13:39
Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the water and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. :P

But only if they have head-mounted lasers!
#5
brun01
Apr 28, 2006 9:18:47 As I mentioned before, I have made the following racial prcs:

Climber - rhul-thaun
Windrider - rhul-thaun

Tik - thri-kreen

Arcanist - elf
Procurer - elf
#6
Sysane
Apr 28, 2006 9:19:44
Something for the Pterrans would be nice, some sort of druid or earth cleric PrC

I'm actually considering a PrC that may focus on the pterrans Life Path (Follower of the Enlightened Path or Path Devotee?). The pterran would receive benefits based on what their choosen path is (i.e. Psion, druid, or ranger). I still have a lot brainstorm on it.
#7
kalthandrix
Apr 28, 2006 9:21:16
As I mentioned before, I have made the following racial prcs:

Climber - rhul-thaun
Windrider - rhul-thaun

Tik - thri-kreen

Arcanist - elf
Procurer - elf

Are they posted?

If not then throw them on to a thread, if they are...well...tell me where they are because I do not have them.
#8
kalthandrix
Apr 28, 2006 9:22:01
I'm actually considering a PrC that may focus on the pterrans Life Path (Follower of the Enlightened Path or Path Devotee?). The pterran would receive benefits based on what their choosen path is (i.e. Psion, druid, or ranger). I still have a lot brainstorm on it.

[cracks whip] Well get working!
#9
Sysane
Apr 28, 2006 9:22:17
But only if they have head-mounted lasers!

You ever see the Simpson's Tree House of Horror episode that had the Dolphins take over Springfield? Thats whats going to happen to Athas :evillaugh
#10
brun01
Apr 28, 2006 9:27:02
Are they posted?

If not then throw them on to a thread, if they are...well...tell me where they are because I do not have them.

They're in portuguese, dude! I told you already! Sheesh!

:P

I will translate them and send to you this weekend
#11
ruhl-than_sage
Apr 28, 2006 9:42:10 I know I sent you mine.... you even responded about recieveing them.
#12
kalthandrix
Apr 28, 2006 10:09:24
I know I sent you mine.... you even responded about recieveing them.

You did and I did- I had forgotten that they were racial PrCs, sorry - I will add them to the list.
#13
brun01
Apr 28, 2006 14:57:48 I've just sent the arcanist.
#14
kalthandrix
Apr 28, 2006 15:38:56 Got it and reformatted the list in post #1.

Thanks.
#15
bengeldorn
Apr 28, 2006 16:19:51
Please post your ideas for more racial PrCs here.

I just tried to create a PrC for tarek shamans . I'm thinking about to do another PrC for tareks that would focus on their hatred against giths, but I haven't made any efforts so far. If there is to less info or special about this, then I'll probably this. Ssurrans and giths are also common races, which I'd like to see more stuff about. If I'm goint to find something intresting, the chances are good, that I'm going to create PrC for these races too.
#16
Pennarin
Apr 28, 2006 16:20:19 You can add Ta'chat-tho to the kreen, by Meth.

I propose a tarek class that is thematically linked to them being able to continue fighting until death. Also a villichi class about being a wandering priestess tasked with finding newborn villichi. I also propose a paragon class for the villichi and for other races as well.
#17
huntercc
Apr 28, 2006 16:46:01
Ssurrans and giths are also common races, which I'd like to see more stuff about.

I definitely agree with this!
#18
squidfur-
Apr 28, 2006 17:28:07 Jon, Kam, and I were tossin' around the idea of a Pterrax Rider PrC for the pterrans, that we'll probably never get around to getting started. So, that could be somethin' for someone to work on.

There are also still several kits from Elves of Athas that could make decent PrCs as well. The Free Wanderer, in particular, was one that I wanted to do, but never seem to get around to doing. If someone wants to try to help me to get motivated for this, the help would be much appreciated - hint, hint. :D

And speaking of Elves of Athas....Thri-kreen of Athas also had some worthwhile kits that could easily be converted to PrCs as well (a few have been started I know).

For dwarves, and really anyone around the silt shores, I was thinking of a DS conversion of FR's Giant Killer PrC. Also when thinking of the Silt Sea, I had in mind to do up a Silt Pirate-style PrC - although this one's not really racially specific, I still think it has its place.

Seems like I had ideas for more, but alas my brain's no worky......so later
#19
Pennarin
Apr 28, 2006 17:47:15
Jon, Kam, and I were tossin' around the idea of a Pterrax Rider PrC for the pterrans, that we'll probably never get around to getting started. So, that could be somethin' for someone to work on.

Grummore has done so already, its been on his website for years, as well as a Slimahacc Rider. Mmm, I should have added them the Archive...
#20
mystictheurge
Apr 28, 2006 19:16:17 I was going to suggest something for Villichi as well, though I didn't have any exact ideas. Wandering priestesses sounds good.

Also, I concur that a lot of unique Dark Sun races would benefit greatly from paragon classes.
#21
master_ivan
Apr 28, 2006 20:00:15 How about a slave-tribal psychic-warrior type of class for muls? I'm not familiar enough with mechanics to create one, so...if someone wants to, go crazy ;)
#22
Sysane
Apr 28, 2006 20:11:43
Also, I concur that a lot of unique Dark Sun races would benefit greatly from paragon classes.

I've been slowly working on paragon classes for tari, tareks, and gith since I finished the ones for the core DS races. Admittedly I've put them on the back burner for awhile. I could finish them off if there's enough interest in them.
#23
ruhl-than_sage
Apr 28, 2006 21:11:46
I've been slowly working on paragon classes for tari, tareks, and gith since I finished the ones for the core DS races. Admittedly I've put them on the back burner for awhile. I could finish them off if there's enough interest in them.

Yes, please :D
#24
jon_oracle_of_athas
Apr 29, 2006 3:53:50
-Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the waters and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas.

ToA Errata: Dolphin alignment should be Lawful Evil. :P
#25
Kamelion
Apr 29, 2006 6:01:24
ToA Errata: Dolphin alignment should be Lawful Evil. :P

Die! Die! Die!!!

:D

A player in my group did a reworked version of the Pterrax Rider class - it came out very cool. Unfortunately, it uses non-ogl material, so it would need another sweep before inclusion. If you wanna give it a look over, Kal, lemme know and I'll send it your way.
#26
methvezem
Apr 29, 2006 7:09:09 Kal, you can add to your list:

Thri-kreen
Hivemind (thri-kreen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS
Kalak (thri-kreen) substitution levels, by Methvezem - HAVE NOT RECEIVED
Ta'chat-tho (thri-treen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS

The hivemind is a PrC dealing with the kreen relation with the insects world. The ta'chat-tho is a kreen who fully embraces its racial memory.
Also, I'm tentatively working on a tarek PrC:

Tarek
Aguri (tarek), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS
#27
nytcrawlr
Apr 29, 2006 7:11:35
-Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the waters and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. :P

Hey I'm all about spreading the power of the Delphinidae.

I say we work tandem on this one. :D
#28
nytcrawlr
Apr 29, 2006 7:13:45
As I mentioned before, I have made the following racial prcs:

Climber - rhul-thaun
Windrider - rhul-thaun

We should probably wait on these since we have stated them out officially yet.

Just something to think about.
#29
nytcrawlr
Apr 29, 2006 7:16:44
I propose a tarek class that is thematically linked to them being able to continue fighting until death. Also a villichi class about being a wandering priestess tasked with finding newborn villichi. I also propose a paragon class for the villichi and for other races as well.

Hit me with an IM or email Penn. I've got some random ideas floating in my head right now and wouldn't mind working with you on these.
#30
nytcrawlr
Apr 29, 2006 7:20:38
ToA Errata: Dolphin alignment should be Lawful Evil. :P

Bah! It's the rest of Athas that is Lawful Evil, Dolphins are the saviors of the world I tell you, Athas's paladins.

Oooh, that just inspired a new PrC basing off of what Xlorep and I have done to the Paladin class for Athas, mwuahahahahaha!
#31
kalthandrix
Apr 29, 2006 8:19:50
A player in my group did a reworked version of the Pterrax Rider class - it came out very cool. Unfortunately, it uses non-ogl material, so it would need another sweep before inclusion. If you wanna give it a look over, Kal, lemme know and I'll send it your way.

Yeah- once you have it OGL-LY :D sned it my way and I will have a look- but do not post it, I would like to keep some stuff new if you do not mind.
#32
kalthandrix
Apr 29, 2006 8:22:23
Kal, you can add to your list:

Thri-kreen
Hivemind (thri-kreen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS
Kalak (thri-kreen) substitution levels, by Methvezem - HAVE NOT RECEIVED
Ta'chat-tho (thri-treen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS

The hivemind is a PrC dealing with the kreen relation with the insects world. The ta'chat-tho is a kreen who fully embraces its racial memory.
Also, I'm tentatively working on a tarek PrC:

Tarek
Aguri (tarek), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS

I will add all but the Kalak- I do not think we will be putting substitution levels in the PrC Appendix II, that will have to wait until Jon solidifies the alternate rule thingie he had mentioned on another thread.
#33
mystictheurge
Apr 29, 2006 10:20:42
I will add all but the Kalak- I do not think we will be putting substitution levels in the PrC Appendix II, that will have to wait until Jon solidifies the alternate rule thingie he had mentioned on another thread.

Sub levels have generally been the purview of the "Races of..." books.

But on that subject, has anyone given any thought to doing a "Races of Athas" book in the style the "Races of..." series?
#34
Pennarin
Apr 29, 2006 11:32:43
The hivemind is a PrC dealing with the kreen relation with the insects world.

I wanted to adapt the BoVD's hivemind rules to DS 3.5, with the help of Kamelion and Elonarc IIRC, but that was a while ago. People had very little spare time back then. I already have 3.5 adaptations made by a board member, all that would be needed would be to make it DS by substituting evil and magic with psionics.
I thought we could then make a kreen PrC that would work on the hivemind concept, receiving free hivemind feats and stuff. I was thinking of a kreen empire warrior which moves around with vermin swarms around him, them and it being part of an hivemind.
#35
methvezem
Apr 29, 2006 16:05:45 The aguri, which means long-arm in tarek, is a PrC based on their fabled teamwork in combat.

Penn, contact me if you want to exchage ideas about the hivemind. ;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 kalthandrix Apr 28, 2006 8:43:09	Here are the PrCs that I either have or am waiting to have sent to me- This list may not be totally complete, as I am doing it from memory. Aarakocra (NONE) Dwarf Obstaniant Soul (dwarf), by Sysane Elf Desert Runner (elf), by Ruhl-Than Sage Back-Alley Stalker (elf or half-elf), by Ruhl-Than Sage Arcanist (elf), by brun01 Brown Elf (elf), by brun01 and Kalthandrix - IN PORCESS Half-elf Back-Alley Stalker (elf or half-elf), by Ruhl-Than Sage Half-giant Lion's Guard (half-giant), by Kalthandrix - IN PROCESS Halfling Halfling man-eater (halfling), by Megatherion Mul Mul Battlemaster (mul), by Kalthandrix - IN PROCESS Pterran (NONE) Thri-kreen Qhari-dre (thri-treen), by Methvezem - HAVE NOT RECEIVED Hivemind (thri-kreen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS Ta'chat-tho (thri-treen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS Other Tari Filth Monger (tari), by Sysane Niksilae (nikaal), by Bengeldorn - HAVE NOT RECEIVED Aguri (tarek), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS Please post your ideas for more racial PrCs here. Thanks.
#2 Sysane Apr 28, 2006 9:09:00	I've been tinkering around with the following ideas for PrCs for the non-standard races of Athas. -Lizardman wanderer druidish/ranger that gives them abilities to survive in the wastes far from the Last Sea. -Ptrerran Earth Mother Champion (If there's not already one out there) -Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the waters and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. :P
#3 huntercc Apr 28, 2006 9:09:37	Something for the Pterrans would be nice, some sort of druid or earth cleric PrC
#4 kalthandrix Apr 28, 2006 9:13:39	Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the water and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. :P But only if they have head-mounted lasers!
#5 brun01 Apr 28, 2006 9:18:47	As I mentioned before, I have made the following racial prcs: Climber - rhul-thaun Windrider - rhul-thaun Tik - thri-kreen Arcanist - elf Procurer - elf
#6 Sysane Apr 28, 2006 9:19:44	Something for the Pterrans would be nice, some sort of druid or earth cleric PrC I'm actually considering a PrC that may focus on the pterrans Life Path (Follower of the Enlightened Path or Path Devotee?). The pterran would receive benefits based on what their choosen path is (i.e. Psion, druid, or ranger). I still have a lot brainstorm on it.
#7 kalthandrix Apr 28, 2006 9:21:16	As I mentioned before, I have made the following racial prcs: Climber - rhul-thaun Windrider - rhul-thaun Tik - thri-kreen Arcanist - elf Procurer - elf Are they posted? If not then throw them on to a thread, if they are...well...tell me where they are because I do not have them.
#8 kalthandrix Apr 28, 2006 9:22:01	I'm actually considering a PrC that may focus on the pterrans Life Path (Follower of the Enlightened Path or Path Devotee?). The pterran would receive benefits based on what their choosen path is (i.e. Psion, druid, or ranger). I still have a lot brainstorm on it. [cracks whip] Well get working!
#9 Sysane Apr 28, 2006 9:22:17	But only if they have head-mounted lasers! You ever see the Simpson's Tree House of Horror episode that had the Dolphins take over Springfield? Thats whats going to happen to Athas :evillaugh
#10 brun01 Apr 28, 2006 9:27:02	Are they posted? If not then throw them on to a thread, if they are...well...tell me where they are because I do not have them. They're in portuguese, dude! I told you already! Sheesh! :P I will translate them and send to you this weekend
#11 ruhl-than_sage Apr 28, 2006 9:42:10	I know I sent you mine.... you even responded about recieveing them.
#12 kalthandrix Apr 28, 2006 10:09:24	I know I sent you mine.... you even responded about recieveing them. You did and I did- I had forgotten that they were racial PrCs, sorry - I will add them to the list.
#13 brun01 Apr 28, 2006 14:57:48	I've just sent the arcanist.
#14 kalthandrix Apr 28, 2006 15:38:56	Got it and reformatted the list in post #1. Thanks.
#15 bengeldorn Apr 28, 2006 16:19:51	Please post your ideas for more racial PrCs here. I just tried to create a PrC for tarek shamans . I'm thinking about to do another PrC for tareks that would focus on their hatred against giths, but I haven't made any efforts so far. If there is to less info or special about this, then I'll probably this. Ssurrans and giths are also common races, which I'd like to see more stuff about. If I'm goint to find something intresting, the chances are good, that I'm going to create PrC for these races too.
#16 Pennarin Apr 28, 2006 16:20:19	You can add Ta'chat-tho to the kreen, by Meth. I propose a tarek class that is thematically linked to them being able to continue fighting until death. Also a villichi class about being a wandering priestess tasked with finding newborn villichi. I also propose a paragon class for the villichi and for other races as well.
#17 huntercc Apr 28, 2006 16:46:01	Ssurrans and giths are also common races, which I'd like to see more stuff about. I definitely agree with this!
#18 squidfur- Apr 28, 2006 17:28:07	Jon, Kam, and I were tossin' around the idea of a Pterrax Rider PrC for the pterrans, that we'll probably never get around to getting started. So, that could be somethin' for someone to work on. There are also still several kits from Elves of Athas that could make decent PrCs as well. The Free Wanderer, in particular, was one that I wanted to do, but never seem to get around to doing. If someone wants to try to help me to get motivated for this, the help would be much appreciated - hint, hint. :D And speaking of Elves of Athas....Thri-kreen of Athas also had some worthwhile kits that could easily be converted to PrCs as well (a few have been started I know). For dwarves, and really anyone around the silt shores, I was thinking of a DS conversion of FR's Giant Killer PrC. Also when thinking of the Silt Sea, I had in mind to do up a Silt Pirate-style PrC - although this one's not really racially specific, I still think it has its place. Seems like I had ideas for more, but alas my brain's no worky......so later
#19 Pennarin Apr 28, 2006 17:47:15	Jon, Kam, and I were tossin' around the idea of a Pterrax Rider PrC for the pterrans, that we'll probably never get around to getting started. So, that could be somethin' for someone to work on. Grummore has done so already, its been on his website for years, as well as a Slimahacc Rider. Mmm, I should have added them the Archive...
#20 mystictheurge Apr 28, 2006 19:16:17	I was going to suggest something for Villichi as well, though I didn't have any exact ideas. Wandering priestesses sounds good. Also, I concur that a lot of unique Dark Sun races would benefit greatly from paragon classes.
#21 master_ivan Apr 28, 2006 20:00:15	How about a slave-tribal psychic-warrior type of class for muls? I'm not familiar enough with mechanics to create one, so...if someone wants to, go crazy ;)
#22 Sysane Apr 28, 2006 20:11:43	Also, I concur that a lot of unique Dark Sun races would benefit greatly from paragon classes. I've been slowly working on paragon classes for tari, tareks, and gith since I finished the ones for the core DS races. Admittedly I've put them on the back burner for awhile. I could finish them off if there's enough interest in them.
#23 ruhl-than_sage Apr 28, 2006 21:11:46	I've been slowly working on paragon classes for tari, tareks, and gith since I finished the ones for the core DS races. Admittedly I've put them on the back burner for awhile. I could finish them off if there's enough interest in them. Yes, please :D
#24 jon_oracle_of_athas Apr 29, 2006 3:53:50	-Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the waters and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. ToA Errata: Dolphin alignment should be Lawful Evil. :P
#25 Kamelion Apr 29, 2006 6:01:24	ToA Errata: Dolphin alignment should be Lawful Evil. :P Die! Die! Die!!! :D A player in my group did a reworked version of the Pterrax Rider class - it came out very cool. Unfortunately, it uses non-ogl material, so it would need another sweep before inclusion. If you wanna give it a look over, Kal, lemme know and I'll send it your way.
#26 methvezem Apr 29, 2006 7:09:09	Kal, you can add to your list: Thri-kreen Hivemind (thri-kreen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS Kalak (thri-kreen) substitution levels, by Methvezem - HAVE NOT RECEIVED Ta'chat-tho (thri-treen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS The hivemind is a PrC dealing with the kreen relation with the insects world. The ta'chat-tho is a kreen who fully embraces its racial memory. Also, I'm tentatively working on a tarek PrC: Tarek Aguri (tarek), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS
#27 nytcrawlr Apr 29, 2006 7:11:35	-Dolphin of the Last Sea PrC that allows them to rise from the waters and take their rightful place as masters of all of Athas. :P Hey I'm all about spreading the power of the Delphinidae. I say we work tandem on this one. :D
#28 nytcrawlr Apr 29, 2006 7:13:45	As I mentioned before, I have made the following racial prcs: Climber - rhul-thaun Windrider - rhul-thaun We should probably wait on these since we have stated them out officially yet. Just something to think about.
#29 nytcrawlr Apr 29, 2006 7:16:44	I propose a tarek class that is thematically linked to them being able to continue fighting until death. Also a villichi class about being a wandering priestess tasked with finding newborn villichi. I also propose a paragon class for the villichi and for other races as well. Hit me with an IM or email Penn. I've got some random ideas floating in my head right now and wouldn't mind working with you on these.
#30 nytcrawlr Apr 29, 2006 7:20:38	ToA Errata: Dolphin alignment should be Lawful Evil. :P Bah! It's the rest of Athas that is Lawful Evil, Dolphins are the saviors of the world I tell you, Athas's paladins. Oooh, that just inspired a new PrC basing off of what Xlorep and I have done to the Paladin class for Athas, mwuahahahahaha!
#31 kalthandrix Apr 29, 2006 8:19:50	A player in my group did a reworked version of the Pterrax Rider class - it came out very cool. Unfortunately, it uses non-ogl material, so it would need another sweep before inclusion. If you wanna give it a look over, Kal, lemme know and I'll send it your way. Yeah- once you have it OGL-LY :D sned it my way and I will have a look- but do not post it, I would like to keep some stuff new if you do not mind.
#32 kalthandrix Apr 29, 2006 8:22:23	Kal, you can add to your list: Thri-kreen Hivemind (thri-kreen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS Kalak (thri-kreen) substitution levels, by Methvezem - HAVE NOT RECEIVED Ta'chat-tho (thri-treen), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS The hivemind is a PrC dealing with the kreen relation with the insects world. The ta'chat-tho is a kreen who fully embraces its racial memory. Also, I'm tentatively working on a tarek PrC: Tarek Aguri (tarek), by Methvezem - IN PROGRESS I will add all but the Kalak- I do not think we will be putting substitution levels in the PrC Appendix II, that will have to wait until Jon solidifies the alternate rule thingie he had mentioned on another thread.
#33 mystictheurge Apr 29, 2006 10:20:42	I will add all but the Kalak- I do not think we will be putting substitution levels in the PrC Appendix II, that will have to wait until Jon solidifies the alternate rule thingie he had mentioned on another thread. Sub levels have generally been the purview of the "Races of..." books. But on that subject, has anyone given any thought to doing a "Races of Athas" book in the style the "Races of..." series?
#34 Pennarin Apr 29, 2006 11:32:43	The hivemind is a PrC dealing with the kreen relation with the insects world. I wanted to adapt the BoVD's hivemind rules to DS 3.5, with the help of Kamelion and Elonarc IIRC, but that was a while ago. People had very little spare time back then. I already have 3.5 adaptations made by a board member, all that would be needed would be to make it DS by substituting evil and magic with psionics. I thought we could then make a kreen PrC that would work on the hivemind concept, receiving free hivemind feats and stuff. I was thinking of a kreen empire warrior which moves around with vermin swarms around him, them and it being part of an hivemind.
#35 methvezem Apr 29, 2006 16:05:45	The aguri, which means long-arm in tarek, is a PrC based on their fabled teamwork in combat. Penn, contact me if you want to exchage ideas about the hivemind. ;)