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#1
zombiegleemax
May 15, 2006 13:32:10 OK, I played Dragonlance like a lunatic for a few years, and then switched to Ravenloft for a year or so. Basically, I just followed one of my favorite characters around--Lord Soth. Now I'm hearing rumors that Soth really never was in RL. Some people tell me it was just part of his curse from DL. I know he no longer exists in DL ( ), but I'm wondering if he "officially" was ever truly in DL.

What sort of ways have you other DMs out there included Soth? Does he still appear in any of your campaigns? What did you think of the novels including him, his appearances in RL, etc.? Just looking for some updates about a favored NPC that I haven't caught up with in a while.
#2
malus_black
May 15, 2006 13:42:37 From the Fraternity of Shadows FAQ:
Some people say that Soth never came to Ravenloft. Where is Soth officially?

When Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman (creators of the DRAGONLANCE® Saga) returned to TSR, there were reports of them saying that, as far as they were concerned, Soth never left Krynn for Ravenloft. To make their point, they even made Soth an "extra" in the novel Dragons of Summer Flame, released in 1995. This created a lot of (useless) confusion as to where Soth really is.

The official word from Wizards of the Coast is that Soth definitely did enter Ravenloft after the events of the novel Test of the Twins. And he definitely returned to Krynn in the autumn of 752 BC, during the events of the novel Spectre of the Black Rose, written by James Lowder. The in-game reasons behind Soth's escape, however, are nebulous and open to reader interpretation. Many interpreted it as a consequence of the fact that Soth was no longer feeling imprisoned and the dark power decided to let go of their dull toy.

Also, although Soth definitely left Ravenloft in 752 BC, it has not been definitively stated when he reappeared on Krynn. Time flows strangely in Ravenloft when compared to other worlds and Soth could easily have reappeared in Dargaard Keep mere moments after he left it. Since then Soth briefly appeared in other DRAGONLANCE novels before the authors of that setting eventually killed him off. In Third Edition products, you find reference to this character when the name "The Black Rose" is mentioned.

#3
zombiegleemax
May 15, 2006 13:59:50 Thanks. I never realized that he left before when I used the idea in my game. Well, now I know. And knowing is half the battle. G.I. JOE!!!!! lol
#4
zombiegleemax
May 15, 2006 19:26:26 Personally, I ignore Soth leaving Ravenloft, just like I ignore the sundering and de-existence of the multiverse.

The WotC Continuity Cops aren't going to bust my door down and cap me for that, now are they?
#5
Mortepierre
May 16, 2006 2:25:48 Given Soth was killed in DL, I think it's far better to leave him in RL. At least there he serves a purpose. Personally, I'm trying to come up with ways to rekindle his hatred towards Strahd. That will make a welcome change from the usual Azalin/Strahd storyplot.

And I'm still convinced W&H brought him back to DL just to kill him simply because they couldn't bear the thought of one of their "toys" gaining fame outside of their own novels. Childish and sad. Frankly, between that and the coming of their 5th Age, I've lost whatever respect I once had for them.
#6
zombiegleemax
May 16, 2006 8:15:51
Given Soth was killed in DL, I think it's far better to leave him in RL. At least there he serves a purpose. Personally, I'm trying to come up with ways to rekindle his hatred towards Strahd. That will make a welcome change from the usual Azalin/Strahd storyplot.

And I'm still convinced W&H brought him back to DL just to kill him simply because they couldn't bear the thought of one of their "toys" gaining fame outside of their own novels. Childish and sad. Frankly, between that and the coming of their 5th Age, I've lost whatever respect I once had for them.

I still like W&H, but I've never enjoyed 5th Age. Great ideas on Soth, though. Thanks.

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#1 zombiegleemax May 15, 2006 13:32:10	OK, I played Dragonlance like a lunatic for a few years, and then switched to Ravenloft for a year or so. Basically, I just followed one of my favorite characters around--Lord Soth. Now I'm hearing rumors that Soth really never was in RL. Some people tell me it was just part of his curse from DL. I know he no longer exists in DL ( ), but I'm wondering if he "officially" was ever truly in DL. What sort of ways have you other DMs out there included Soth? Does he still appear in any of your campaigns? What did you think of the novels including him, his appearances in RL, etc.? Just looking for some updates about a favored NPC that I haven't caught up with in a while.
#2 malus_black May 15, 2006 13:42:37	From the Fraternity of Shadows FAQ: Some people say that Soth never came to Ravenloft. Where is Soth officially? When Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman (creators of the DRAGONLANCE® Saga) returned to TSR, there were reports of them saying that, as far as they were concerned, Soth never left Krynn for Ravenloft. To make their point, they even made Soth an "extra" in the novel Dragons of Summer Flame, released in 1995. This created a lot of (useless) confusion as to where Soth really is. The official word from Wizards of the Coast is that Soth definitely did enter Ravenloft after the events of the novel Test of the Twins. And he definitely returned to Krynn in the autumn of 752 BC, during the events of the novel Spectre of the Black Rose, written by James Lowder. The in-game reasons behind Soth's escape, however, are nebulous and open to reader interpretation. Many interpreted it as a consequence of the fact that Soth was no longer feeling imprisoned and the dark power decided to let go of their dull toy. Also, although Soth definitely left Ravenloft in 752 BC, it has not been definitively stated when he reappeared on Krynn. Time flows strangely in Ravenloft when compared to other worlds and Soth could easily have reappeared in Dargaard Keep mere moments after he left it. Since then Soth briefly appeared in other DRAGONLANCE novels before the authors of that setting eventually killed him off. In Third Edition products, you find reference to this character when the name "The Black Rose" is mentioned.
#3 zombiegleemax May 15, 2006 13:59:50	Thanks. I never realized that he left before when I used the idea in my game. Well, now I know. And knowing is half the battle. G.I. JOE!!!!! lol
#4 zombiegleemax May 15, 2006 19:26:26	Personally, I ignore Soth leaving Ravenloft, just like I ignore the sundering and de-existence of the multiverse. The WotC Continuity Cops aren't going to bust my door down and cap me for that, now are they?
#5 Mortepierre May 16, 2006 2:25:48	Given Soth was killed in DL, I think it's far better to leave him in RL. At least there he serves a purpose. Personally, I'm trying to come up with ways to rekindle his hatred towards Strahd. That will make a welcome change from the usual Azalin/Strahd storyplot. And I'm still convinced W&H brought him back to DL just to kill him simply because they couldn't bear the thought of one of their "toys" gaining fame outside of their own novels. Childish and sad. Frankly, between that and the coming of their 5th Age, I've lost whatever respect I once had for them.
#6 zombiegleemax May 16, 2006 8:15:51	Given Soth was killed in DL, I think it's far better to leave him in RL. At least there he serves a purpose. Personally, I'm trying to come up with ways to rekindle his hatred towards Strahd. That will make a welcome change from the usual Azalin/Strahd storyplot. And I'm still convinced W&H brought him back to DL just to kill him simply because they couldn't bear the thought of one of their "toys" gaining fame outside of their own novels. Childish and sad. Frankly, between that and the coming of their 5th Age, I've lost whatever respect I once had for them. I still like W&H, but I've never enjoyed 5th Age. Great ideas on Soth, though. Thanks.