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The Dream of King Lorac

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#1
zombiegleemax
May 28, 2006 14:49:02 How exactly did Lorac's Dream manifest itself into physical reality? The novels, the sourcebooks and so on mention that Cyan Bloodbane whispered nightmares into Loarc's ensnared mind, and that the speaker's dragon orb made them into reality. How? That's not something dragon orbs can do, and Lorac was not a terribly potent spellcaster. Was it a combination of Lorac, Cyan and the dragon orb? Was it Cyan summoning something terrible (like a dream larva from the ELH) that manifested through Lorac to taint Silvanesti? Or was it just a Plot Device power that other orbs cannot really manifest?

--I am very very very curious in this regard NB
#2
raggart_knug
May 31, 2006 2:04:10

That's pretty much it. Lorac, as king of the elves, had a very close tie to the land, such that his nightmares became reality in a way never expected. I doubt the effect could be reproduced.
#3
Mortepierre
May 31, 2006 6:30:02 Not to mention that not every plot device translates well (or at all) in D&D terms. That's the problem with D&D novels whose authors don't stick 100% with the rules in order to be more creative.

That said, I'm not in favor of rules explaining everything. Leaving a bit of mystery for the players to ponder & debate about is healthy. Keeps them on their toes.
#4
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2006 10:39:27 Wasnt Lorac like a 12th level caster or something like that?
#5
darthsylver
May 31, 2006 13:39:02 It might be something along the lines as the White Tree in Minas Tirith and the Line of Kings in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

The Kings of the Silvanesti and the Silvanesti forest are connected somehow, and so the forest changes to reflect the king and these might just be sutle changes but somehow the Dragon Orb and Cyan lend more power to the connection thereby enabling a faster and more pronounced change in the forest.
#6
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2006 16:47:38 I could suggest read Dark Tales and Disturbing legends (White Wolf Ravenloft acessory) to make a good idea how that "dream" and "Tales" become real.

Mainly the power of Cyan, the influence of the Dragon Orb could have used/induced Loracs mind to shift the land. But i like more the dimensional shift idea of Ravenloft to explain that (in other words, if you believe in it, it will become true).
#7
asgorath
Jun 16, 2006 8:46:56 I never understood was Cyan really there? I mean Raistlin banished him in the dream, but was Cyan physically in there like Raist and his buddys? Or was he like sleeping 100 miles away?
#8
zombiegleemax
Jun 16, 2006 13:21:27 I think in the book Dragons of Autumn Twilight illustrates the dream perfectly and how it manifests, etc. because the companions each fell victim to it and only Raistlin could somehow control his dream. This also made Cyan inferior to Raistlin because Raistlin knew how to somewhat control the dragon orb, thus breaking everyone's dream, etc.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax May 28, 2006 14:49:02	How exactly did Lorac's Dream manifest itself into physical reality? The novels, the sourcebooks and so on mention that Cyan Bloodbane whispered nightmares into Loarc's ensnared mind, and that the speaker's dragon orb made them into reality. How? That's not something dragon orbs can do, and Lorac was not a terribly potent spellcaster. Was it a combination of Lorac, Cyan and the dragon orb? Was it Cyan summoning something terrible (like a dream larva from the ELH) that manifested through Lorac to taint Silvanesti? Or was it just a Plot Device power that other orbs cannot really manifest? --I am very very very curious in this regard NB
#2 raggart_knug May 31, 2006 2:04:10	That's pretty much it. Lorac, as king of the elves, had a very close tie to the land, such that his nightmares became reality in a way never expected. I doubt the effect could be reproduced.
#3 Mortepierre May 31, 2006 6:30:02	Not to mention that not every plot device translates well (or at all) in D&D terms. That's the problem with D&D novels whose authors don't stick 100% with the rules in order to be more creative. That said, I'm not in favor of rules explaining everything. Leaving a bit of mystery for the players to ponder & debate about is healthy. Keeps them on their toes.
#4 zombiegleemax May 31, 2006 10:39:27	Wasnt Lorac like a 12th level caster or something like that?
#5 darthsylver May 31, 2006 13:39:02	It might be something along the lines as the White Tree in Minas Tirith and the Line of Kings in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The Kings of the Silvanesti and the Silvanesti forest are connected somehow, and so the forest changes to reflect the king and these might just be sutle changes but somehow the Dragon Orb and Cyan lend more power to the connection thereby enabling a faster and more pronounced change in the forest.
#6 zombiegleemax May 31, 2006 16:47:38	I could suggest read Dark Tales and Disturbing legends (White Wolf Ravenloft acessory) to make a good idea how that "dream" and "Tales" become real. Mainly the power of Cyan, the influence of the Dragon Orb could have used/induced Loracs mind to shift the land. But i like more the dimensional shift idea of Ravenloft to explain that (in other words, if you believe in it, it will become true).
#7 asgorath Jun 16, 2006 8:46:56	I never understood was Cyan really there? I mean Raistlin banished him in the dream, but was Cyan physically in there like Raist and his buddys? Or was he like sleeping 100 miles away?
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 16, 2006 13:21:27	I think in the book Dragons of Autumn Twilight illustrates the dream perfectly and how it manifests, etc. because the companions each fell victim to it and only Raistlin could somehow control his dream. This also made Cyan inferior to Raistlin because Raistlin knew how to somewhat control the dragon orb, thus breaking everyone's dream, etc.