Advanded Being Ascendant

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#1

Ramar_Aulinvox

Jun 07, 2006 13:03:15
OK, I know this is going to get wiped clean when the new boards are posted, but I just wanted to get some feed back on this conversion of the Advanced Being kit from Defilers and Preservers. Here it is:

Advanced Being Ascendant
Prerequisites:
Feats: Path Dexter or Path Sinister; Skill Focus (Knowledge(history)); & any 1 psionic feat.
Skills: Know(Arcana) 6 ranks, Know(Psionics) 6 ranks, Know(History) 6 ranks
Spells: Ability to cast 2 level arcane spells
Powers: Ability to manifest 2 level powers

Class Features:
Hit Die: 1d4
Skills (2 + Int. modifier per level): Bluff, Concentration, Disguise, Know(Arcana), Know(History), Know(Psionics), Psicraft, & Spellcraft. Also, Preservers have Diplomacy as a class skill and Defilers have Intimidate as a class skill.
Focused Path: Gained at 1st level. An ascendant learns three spells per level, one of which must be from his/her path. An ascendant has a -5 to spellcraft to learn spells from the opposite path. An ascendant can only have a max of 1 spell per caster level memorized from the opposite path.
Spell Power: At 5th level, the ascendant gains the spell power feature at +1. This bonus increases to +2 at 10th level.
Fearless (Ex): At 7th level, the ascendant becomes immune to fear and fear inducing effects no matter their source. This also makes them immune to the intimidate skill.

Spects:
Levels: 10
BAB: as wizard
Saves: as wizard
Spells per level: gained at every level save 5th, 7th, and 10th.
Powers per level: gained at every level save 5th, 7th, and 10th.
This class has the feature of only increasing the ability of either the psionic class or wizard class at 5th, 7th, and 10th level to compensate for the other abilities gained.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
#2

seker

Jun 07, 2006 13:58:53
Basically what you have here is almost identical to the cerebramancer PrC. The changes you are looking at here would fit better, IMHO, as feats than as a whole new PrC. After all most arcane advanced beings as it is would go cerebramancer to help them meet the requirements of the metamorphosis.

The focused path could be made a feat that builds off the "path dexter/path sinister" feats that increases number of spells known/level and as it is a higher level feat with prerquisites, you could add in the spell power OR fearless aspect into the single feat as well.

example:

Focused path (psionic)
Prerequisite: Ability to memorize arcane spells, knowledge (arcana) 6 ranks, knowledge (psionics) 6 ranks, and either the path sinister or path dexter feat.
Benefit: Each time the character gains a level in their arcane spellcasting class, they learn three spells per level, one of which must be from his/her path. Gains immunity to fear effects.
Special: They have a -5 to spellcraft to learn spells from the opposite path and can only have a max of 1 spell per spell level memorized from the opposite path.
#3

mystictheurge

Jun 07, 2006 14:24:36
Additionally, as a generic note, it's almost pointless to not give spell/power progression at the end of a PrC. Unless you have some really amazing 10th level power, people just won't take that level.

I'm a big fan of the "everything but first" progression. You have to pay a little to get in, but after that you're good.
#4

terminus_vortexa

Jun 07, 2006 16:02:34
And let us not forget the Mind Mage from Dragon Magazine. It's double stacking effective manifester/caster level boosts more than compensate for the meager loss of 1 or 2 actual levels of Psion and Wizard. A slightly modified version to remove some superflous abilities perfectly compliment Advanced Being abilities. Being able to cast power points to cast spells cheaper is pretty badass when applying metapsionic feats to the same SPELL.
#5

Ramar_Aulinvox

Jun 07, 2006 16:07:36
Basically what you have here is almost identical to the cerebramancer PrC. The changes you are looking at here would fit better, IMHO, as feats than as a whole new PrC. After all most arcane advanced beings as it is would go cerebramancer to help them meet the requirements of the metamorphosis.

The focused path could be made a feat that builds off the "path dexter/path sinister" feats that increases number of spells known/level and as it is a higher level feat with prerquisites, you could add in the spell power OR fearless aspect into the single feat as well.

example:

Focused path (psionic)
Prerequisite: Ability to memorize arcane spells, knowledge (arcana) 6 ranks, knowledge (psionics) 6 ranks, and either the path sinister or path dexter feat.
Benefit: Each time the character gains a level in their arcane spellcasting class, they learn three spells per level, one of which must be from his/her path. Gains immunity to fear effects.
Special: They have a -5 to spellcraft to learn spells from the opposite path and can only have a max of 1 spell per spell level memorized from the opposite path.

The class is suppose to replace the cerebremancer class as a more athasian variant. The feat idea seems nice but all the features in one feat may be overpowered.

As for not giving a caster level at 10th, well you get one or the other but not both. The same stands at 5th and 7th, I guess I didn't make that clear enough but I hate doing tables on the forum.

If one kept the cerebremancer, then I could turn this into a five level prestige class that granted the bonuses in rapid succession. As above but gain Focused Path at 1st; Spellpower at 2nd and 4th; Fearless at 5th; and have bonus to manifester and caster level at every level save 2nd & 4th (only gain it for one class at those levels)?
#6

Pennarin

Jun 07, 2006 16:38:44
IMO a conversion of the 2E kit would need to be failry short, or else the character veered too far away from the shortest path towards becoming an advanced being. As such I'd say a 3 or 5 level PrC.

Also I don't see the class as having anything to do with mixing spellcasting and manifesting, that's actually reserved for advanced beings, thematically. The class should be about dedication, focus, ambition. Mostly the abilities should be mind-affecting and work on the character himself, or should be bonuses or lessened penalties to specific skills and such. (An example of this could be the skill effects of a wizard's defiling radius, which could be made to change or be more widespread.)

A possibility could be to gain something like the dwarven focus or the dedication spell, i.e. that as long as you're actively pursuing your object of focus - achieving advanced being status - you gain the effects of this kind of focus.

There's definately room for a conversion of this kit, but the abilities have to be generic enough to be useful and relevant to all types of pre-advanced beings, although a final level ability might be introduced, some ability that has individual entries for each possible advanced being. The thing with a wizard's defiling radius I mentionned above could be such a final ability, specific to wannabe dragons. Cleric ABs, druid ABs, and avangions would constitute the other three sub-entries of this final ability.
#7

Pennarin

Jun 07, 2006 16:45:17
I might try my hand at it. Squid, Meth and Nyt be ready for some booty time!...er I mean MSN time. Silly slip.
#8

terminus_vortexa

Jun 07, 2006 16:58:13
:OMG!
#9

methvezem

Jun 07, 2006 17:40:57
Shoot! :D
#10

Pennarin

Jun 07, 2006 17:51:17
Shoot! :D

What an appropriately inappropriate response to my earlier inappropriately sexualy-oriented comment! :D
#11

kalthandrix

Jun 07, 2006 19:22:25
I might try my hand at it. Squid, Meth and Nyt be ready for some booty time!...er I mean MSN time. Silly slip.

What! I do not get an invite? Where is all your love for me Penn
#12

Pennarin

Jun 08, 2006 13:05:52
What! I do not get an invite? Where is all your love for me Penn

Whaaat?! You want a piece of me? Come here boy, they don't call me the french flamer for nothin'... :P
#13

radnovius

Jun 09, 2006 0:20:49
I might try my hand at it. Squid, Meth and Nyt be ready for some booty time!...er I mean MSN time. Silly slip.

"Booty Time" was the name of the song of Lt. Amos' (played by Ed O'Neil who was Al Bundy in Married with Children) disco band in the Adventures of Ford Fairlane.

"Booty time, booty time," "accross the U.S.A. Booty time, booty time . . ."
#14

Ramar_Aulinvox

Jun 09, 2006 8:08:56
Wow, I don't check this for a couple days and people are quoting Andrew Dice Clay movies.

All "booty" tangents aside, I'd like to see everyone's ideas/takes/perspectives/examples/etc./etc./etc.
#15

Zardnaar

Jun 09, 2006 16:44:24
I had a similar idea but it was for a 5 level PrC with the working name of Ascendent. The requirements were something like

18 Ranks Psicraft
18 ranks Spell Craft
Level 6 spells and powers
Special. Must have met a Dragon or Avangion in a peaceful encounter.

Ascendent
1. Duality, Potence+1
2. Bonus Feat
3. Potence +2
4. Bonuse Feat
5. Potence +3

Duality. Each level of the Ascendent adds +1 caster/minifester level.
Potence. Add the number to any roll to beat MR/PR
Bonus Feat. Choose any meta psionic/magic feat or any item creation feat.

Something like that to top off the cerebmancer PrC.
#16

dregonflyus

Jun 12, 2006 16:54:40
Spell Power: At 5th level, the ascendant gains the spell power feature at +1. This bonus increases to +2 at 10th level.

Forgive me if i overlooked this but what exactly is spell power feature +1 or +2?
#17

Pennarin

Jun 14, 2006 18:02:20
Ok, been working on a conversion of the Advanced Being kit...and I ask what do people want to see in it?

In broad terms please! (Something like: Bonuses to X, ability to do Y, focus on Z.)
#18

Pennarin

Jun 15, 2006 17:29:31
Boo everyone. Naughty community you are, not voicing your opinions...
Anyways, only the fluff's left and then the first release will be ready for feedback :D

Thanks to Methvezem, Brun01, and squidfur- !
#19

kalthandrix

Jun 15, 2006 20:13:13
quid pro quo
#20

Pennarin

Jun 15, 2006 22:37:31
Quid pro quo, really?

Is it because I'm saying I'm working on a class in the same thread somebody else is presenting his version of said class?

Ramar Aulinvox's conversion did not garner much interest, so I thought I'd try my hand at a conversion of my own...
#21

kalthandrix

Jun 16, 2006 12:03:45
No not really - I was just being difficult! :D

I egerly await what you got Penn - at this time I am of an indifferent opinion on this matter and have not seen anything that really got me excited.
#22

seker

Jun 16, 2006 17:52:27
If you are looking at something like this i would reccomend something that works well in addition to the cerebramancer than something to replace it.

for instance i would reccomend a class that focuses more on the gaining the feat requirements for dragon/avangion etc... vs mixing magic and psionics. also perhaps a more scholarly/researcher bent... ie bonuses on knowledge skills, item creation, finding information on the past or artifacts... ect..

stuff that would help in researching the spells and the like.

and have it increase manifester level and caster level in alternating levels instead of both at once.
#23

terminus_vortexa

Jun 16, 2006 18:21:59
Alternating levels would weaken the character too much in terms of character level vs. manifester/caster level. Maybe an 8 level each gain throughout a ten-level class, with a bonus to effective caster/manifestr levels at the middle and end of the class, like the Mind Mage (which, when altered so as not to include references to Dragon Magazine's Psi-Spell feats, makes a perfect AB ascendant class in its own right.)
#24

Pennarin

Jun 16, 2006 19:27:00
Sounds like my class!
I do not provide abilities that mix magic and psi.
I provide some help to becoming an AB.
Various bonuses.

for instance i would reccomend a class that focuses more on the gaining the feat requirements for dragon/avangion etc... vs mixing magic and psionics. also perhaps a more scholarly/researcher bent... ie bonuses on knowledge skills, item creation, finding information on the past or artifacts... ect..

stuff that would help in researching the spells and the like.

and have it increase manifester level and caster level in alternating levels instead of both at once.

My spellcasting and manifesting progression is as follows:

Spells per Day/Powers Known
+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class
+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class/+1 level of existing manifesting class
+1 level of existing manifesting class
+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class/+1 level of existing manifesting class
+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class