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What if Agis Lived?

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#1
mystictheurge
Jun 13, 2006 18:48:24 I feel like I want my characters to have the opportunity to save Agis at the end of Obsidian Oracle.

So here's the big question: How would the events of Cerulean Storm have been different if Agis had lived? What if Tithian died instead? What if they both lived? What if they both died?

I have some thoughts of my own, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions first.
#2
Sysane
Jun 13, 2006 19:51:01
I feel like I want my characters to have the opportunity to save Agis at the end of Obsidian Oracle.

So here's the big question: How would the events of Cerulean Storm have been different if Agis had lived? What if Tithian died instead? What if they both lived? What if they both died?

I have some thoughts of my own, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions first.

I think the first question that would need answering before adressing "what if Agis lived" is "how did he survive".

At which point could the PCs save Agis from his fate of being back stabbed by Tithian and then sinking beneath the Sea of Silt?
#3
kalthandrix
Jun 13, 2006 20:45:09 I imagine he would not be in a happy mood...
#4
mystictheurge
Jun 13, 2006 21:56:27
I think the first question that would need answering before adressing "what if Agis lived" is "how did he survive".

At which point could the PCs save Agis from his fate of being back stabbed by Tithian and then sinking beneath the Sea of Silt?

As I have it planned now, events in the Obsidian Oracle occur pretty much as written, up until the final "battle" between Agis and Tithian. The way I see it, I'll give the PCs an opportunity at that point to alter events, and potentially save Agis.

Whether they can potentially kill Tithian and/or recover the Lens is up in the air still. I'm leaning towards no, but it's a possibility.
#5
Sysane
Jun 14, 2006 8:25:46 An interesting twist to that would be that due to Agis not dying is that even more horrible things end up happen. Perhaps Sadira dies due to trying to protect Agis during the final battle in the Valley of Dust & Fire. This in turn could lead to Rajaat not being re-imprisoned. Later on, Agis may find out that he was meant to buy it and with the help of the PCs begin a quest to find a way set the time line right (i.e. travel back in time to the point where he was meant to die in the Obsidian Oracle).

Granted, this is very Star Trekish, but I've always been a fan of time-traveling/divergent- time-line adventures ;)
#6
radnovius
Jun 14, 2006 13:00:46
Granted, this is very Star Trekish, but I've always been a fan of time-traveling/divergent- time-line adventures ;)

I've always hated those. I think people should just pick a timeline and stick to it.

It's been a long time since I read the pentad. I remember a fight with an Athasian bear but don't remember the specifics of how Agis bought it.

Anyways there was a concept called the great continuity of time or something like that which was introduced with some of the time travel powers. The basic idea is that whatever is going to happen will likely happen, even if you alter time. For instance, if someone went back in time and killed Kalak, someone else would just have become a champion in his stead. So likely Agis would have just died in the battle in the Valley of Dust and Fire. Alternatively, your PCs could recover the body and take him for a resurrection. If they could find someone who could perform such a feat.
#7
Sysane
Jun 14, 2006 13:28:53 You could always have it that Agis just appeared to die in the Obsidian Oracle. It could be that he miraculously survived (off camera) and was bogged down with other matters which precluded him from participating in the events of the Cerulean Storm.(i.e. Boba Fett being pulled from the sarlac by Dengar).
#8
Zardnaar
Jun 17, 2006 17:45:00 He could also survive via a clone effect or ressurection spell. Stretching it abit but when he sank below the silt sea he may have landed in some vortex or something that teleported him elsewhere or imprisoned him in a green age ruin.
#9
borys_son
Aug 07, 2006 6:26:05 I say his giant friend Fylo, is not hit so badly, gets up rescues Agis who is nearly dead - convinces Joorsh giants that Agis can locate Tithian for Giants. They help save Agis with magic.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 mystictheurge Jun 13, 2006 18:48:24	I feel like I want my characters to have the opportunity to save Agis at the end of Obsidian Oracle. So here's the big question: How would the events of Cerulean Storm have been different if Agis had lived? What if Tithian died instead? What if they both lived? What if they both died? I have some thoughts of my own, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions first.
#2 Sysane Jun 13, 2006 19:51:01	I feel like I want my characters to have the opportunity to save Agis at the end of Obsidian Oracle. So here's the big question: How would the events of Cerulean Storm have been different if Agis had lived? What if Tithian died instead? What if they both lived? What if they both died? I have some thoughts of my own, but I'd like to hear other people's opinions first. I think the first question that would need answering before adressing "what if Agis lived" is "how did he survive". At which point could the PCs save Agis from his fate of being back stabbed by Tithian and then sinking beneath the Sea of Silt?
#3 kalthandrix Jun 13, 2006 20:45:09	I imagine he would not be in a happy mood...
#4 mystictheurge Jun 13, 2006 21:56:27	I think the first question that would need answering before adressing "what if Agis lived" is "how did he survive". At which point could the PCs save Agis from his fate of being back stabbed by Tithian and then sinking beneath the Sea of Silt? As I have it planned now, events in the Obsidian Oracle occur pretty much as written, up until the final "battle" between Agis and Tithian. The way I see it, I'll give the PCs an opportunity at that point to alter events, and potentially save Agis. Whether they can potentially kill Tithian and/or recover the Lens is up in the air still. I'm leaning towards no, but it's a possibility.
#5 Sysane Jun 14, 2006 8:25:46	An interesting twist to that would be that due to Agis not dying is that even more horrible things end up happen. Perhaps Sadira dies due to trying to protect Agis during the final battle in the Valley of Dust & Fire. This in turn could lead to Rajaat not being re-imprisoned. Later on, Agis may find out that he was meant to buy it and with the help of the PCs begin a quest to find a way set the time line right (i.e. travel back in time to the point where he was meant to die in the Obsidian Oracle). Granted, this is very Star Trekish, but I've always been a fan of time-traveling/divergent- time-line adventures ;)
#6 radnovius Jun 14, 2006 13:00:46	Granted, this is very Star Trekish, but I've always been a fan of time-traveling/divergent- time-line adventures ;) I've always hated those. I think people should just pick a timeline and stick to it. It's been a long time since I read the pentad. I remember a fight with an Athasian bear but don't remember the specifics of how Agis bought it. Anyways there was a concept called the great continuity of time or something like that which was introduced with some of the time travel powers. The basic idea is that whatever is going to happen will likely happen, even if you alter time. For instance, if someone went back in time and killed Kalak, someone else would just have become a champion in his stead. So likely Agis would have just died in the battle in the Valley of Dust and Fire. Alternatively, your PCs could recover the body and take him for a resurrection. If they could find someone who could perform such a feat.
#7 Sysane Jun 14, 2006 13:28:53	You could always have it that Agis just appeared to die in the Obsidian Oracle. It could be that he miraculously survived (off camera) and was bogged down with other matters which precluded him from participating in the events of the Cerulean Storm.(i.e. Boba Fett being pulled from the sarlac by Dengar).
#8 Zardnaar Jun 17, 2006 17:45:00	He could also survive via a clone effect or ressurection spell. Stretching it abit but when he sank below the silt sea he may have landed in some vortex or something that teleported him elsewhere or imprisoned him in a green age ruin.
#9 borys_son Aug 07, 2006 6:26:05	I say his giant friend Fylo, is not hit so badly, gets up rescues Agis who is nearly dead - convinces Joorsh giants that Agis can locate Tithian for Giants. They help save Agis with magic.