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#1
raistlin_05
Jun 25, 2006 23:53:51 OK, I'm sure its been asked numerous times, but could someone tell me how Lord Soth is in Dragonlance and Ravenloft?
#2
bob_the_efreet
Jun 26, 2006 1:17:51 The Mists pulled him from DL and put him in RL for a while. Then they let him go home, so he's back in DL. Or dead. The RL material is not necessarily specific on that point ;)
#3
zombiegleemax
Jun 26, 2006 2:17:32 Double existence on both planes is acceptable if you consider all the possibilities and high fantasy planar workings. But really, I kept him in Ravenloft myself. He's too... important to let go.
#4
zombiegleemax
Jun 26, 2006 11:37:06
Rule in Ravenloft
The mists of Ravenloft plucked Soth and Caradoc from Krynn while the two battled, and separated them. When the mists of Ravenloft took Soth, he was brought to the domain of Barovia. Wanting to return to Krynn, Soth sought out Strahd Von Zarovich, ruler of the domain in hope that Strahd would help him. Strahd tried to use Soth to his advantage but this only cost him a red dragon which was one of his castle guardians. After a series of adventures with the Vistani girl Magda and the were-badger Azrael Dak, Soth had found out that Strahd was hiding Caradoc from him. Soth attacked Strahd unceasingly and the vampire had no choice but to release Caradoc in order to keep his domain in one piece. Soth then pursued Caradoc until he finally caught him at the edge of the mists. Soth was then given the domain Sithicus ("land of specters" in the elven tongue)in Ravenloft by the mists but had his vengeance upon Caradoc stolen. His castle, Nedragaard Keep, was a mockery of Dargaard in Krynn continuelly changing form so Soth could not maintain his military order he was accustomed to. The story of his ascension is told in Knight of the Black Rose, the story of his release is told in Specter of the Black Rose.

According to Wikipedia that is how.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 26, 2006 13:23:07 Also I remember reading somewhere that Soth's stay in Ravenloft is considered to have had zero duration from the point of view of those on Krynn (and remeber Time Travel is known in Ravenloft as one of the Vistani's mysterious powers).

IIRC it was here: Fraternity of Shadows Study (Ravenloft FAQ)
#6
orodruin
Jun 26, 2006 19:49:35 Regardless, the official stance, as far a Dragonlance is concerned, is that Soth never left Krynn.

Ravenloft canon is another thing entirely, so as far as that goes, he spent a significant amount of time there, until the "night of screaming shadows". For copyright reasons though, they couldn't mention him by name when the license was held by ArtHaus publishing.
#7
rotipher
Jun 28, 2006 11:52:31 Not only is moving beings through time an established capability of the Dark Powers, but so is tampering with their memories. So it's not just feasible that they snatched Soth, messed with him for decades, concluded he was too boring to bother with, and dumped him back on Krynn at the same moment he'd left; it's also feasible that they could've stripped him of all recollection of his experiences in Ravenloft, upon his return. Unless you're a fanatic about Dragonlance being exactly what Weis and Hickmann say it is -- no deviation allowed, not even at individual DMs' discretion -- there's nothing wrong with resolving the issue that way.
#8
ravenloftlover347
Jun 29, 2006 20:34:08 As I understand it, Soth would be back in DL. I don't remember seeing him in the new DL stuff, so maybe he's in the same state as that Kas guy (the Vecna betrayer one) that got stuck between RL and GH. If anyone knows for certain, it would be nice to know, as I would like to have Soth summoned by a epic-level summoning spell trying to summon a Death Knight. His stats would be nice too, ones that are post-Raveloft.
#9
Mortepierre
Jun 30, 2006 3:24:50 Hate to disappoint you but H&W killed him for good (in Dragons of a Vanished Moon IIRC)

His pre-RL stats are in the DL accessory War of the Lance. Post-RL, they would be the same given I doubt the DP would let him leave with all the nifty new stuff they had given him.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2006 7:59:51 Bah, it would only take a kender with a time-traveling device to fetch him back.
#11
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2006 14:24:04 Does everybody in the message boards consider WotC the be-all/end-all of their campaigns? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one with deviant campaigns.
#12
orodruin
Jun 30, 2006 15:53:19
Unless you're a fanatic about Dragonlance being exactly what Weis and Hickmann say it is -- no deviation allowed, not even at individual DMs' discretion -- there's nothing wrong with resolving the issue that way.

Not necessarily. Some of us just plain don't like the idea of him ever being in Ravenloft. Heck, even if Weis and Hickman loved the idea, I'd still dislike it.
#13
jonesy
Jul 01, 2006 16:50:41 Why would it matter to anyone what W&H think about it now, or that Sovereign Press would rather stay away from material relating to other settings when they only have rights for DL? All that it affects is the Dragonlance side of things. If you have the Soth Ravenloft material and you use Ravenloft in your campaigns, then you can have Soth in Ravenloft if you want. Simple as that.
#14
lordjerz
Jul 27, 2006 10:42:08 Soth should have stayed in Ravenloft. I know I'm apparently in the minority here, but James Lowder is the only author to ever do Lord Soth the justice he deserves. To this day I still read "Knight of the Black Rose" at least once a year or so. I usually finish it rather quickly too. It never gets old.... Lowder is the truth.

W&H just took their toy home so no one else could play with it anymore, and then they broke it (killed it) just so no one else could ever have fun with it again. Lord Soth will never die..... which is why I play the D&D skirmish game and make Lord Soth the center of my warband every single time I play. That way, when I'm done whoopin on the other person, they can point to my Lord Soth mini and say "Damn... Lord Soth is that dude." To which I reply "Go read James Lowder's books, you n00b!" and then they are "Ok, I will definitely do that. By the way, you're the most handsome guy I've ever seen...."

Sorry, that last part doesn't ever really happen..... I mean, I am really handsome, but usually the guys I play minis with don't notice...LMAO!
#15
zombiegleemax
Jul 27, 2006 16:08:42 Lord Soth may be 'dead' in the current Dragonlance timeline, but they aren't finished with him. In the back of the new hardcover novel 'Dragons of the Dwarven Depths', W&H talk about the next book in the series filling in gaps from the original storyline, 'Dragons of the Warlord Skies', that will feature the relationship between Kitiara & Soth.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 raistlin_05 Jun 25, 2006 23:53:51	OK, I'm sure its been asked numerous times, but could someone tell me how Lord Soth is in Dragonlance and Ravenloft?
#2 bob_the_efreet Jun 26, 2006 1:17:51	The Mists pulled him from DL and put him in RL for a while. Then they let him go home, so he's back in DL. Or dead. The RL material is not necessarily specific on that point ;)
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2006 2:17:32	Double existence on both planes is acceptable if you consider all the possibilities and high fantasy planar workings. But really, I kept him in Ravenloft myself. He's too... important to let go.
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2006 11:37:06	Rule in Ravenloft The mists of Ravenloft plucked Soth and Caradoc from Krynn while the two battled, and separated them. When the mists of Ravenloft took Soth, he was brought to the domain of Barovia. Wanting to return to Krynn, Soth sought out Strahd Von Zarovich, ruler of the domain in hope that Strahd would help him. Strahd tried to use Soth to his advantage but this only cost him a red dragon which was one of his castle guardians. After a series of adventures with the Vistani girl Magda and the were-badger Azrael Dak, Soth had found out that Strahd was hiding Caradoc from him. Soth attacked Strahd unceasingly and the vampire had no choice but to release Caradoc in order to keep his domain in one piece. Soth then pursued Caradoc until he finally caught him at the edge of the mists. Soth was then given the domain Sithicus ("land of specters" in the elven tongue)in Ravenloft by the mists but had his vengeance upon Caradoc stolen. His castle, Nedragaard Keep, was a mockery of Dargaard in Krynn continuelly changing form so Soth could not maintain his military order he was accustomed to. The story of his ascension is told in Knight of the Black Rose, the story of his release is told in Specter of the Black Rose. According to Wikipedia that is how.
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2006 13:23:07	Also I remember reading somewhere that Soth's stay in Ravenloft is considered to have had zero duration from the point of view of those on Krynn (and remeber Time Travel is known in Ravenloft as one of the Vistani's mysterious powers). IIRC it was here: Fraternity of Shadows Study (Ravenloft FAQ)
#6 orodruin Jun 26, 2006 19:49:35	Regardless, the official stance, as far a Dragonlance is concerned, is that Soth never left Krynn. Ravenloft canon is another thing entirely, so as far as that goes, he spent a significant amount of time there, until the "night of screaming shadows". For copyright reasons though, they couldn't mention him by name when the license was held by ArtHaus publishing.
#7 rotipher Jun 28, 2006 11:52:31	Not only is moving beings through time an established capability of the Dark Powers, but so is tampering with their memories. So it's not just feasible that they snatched Soth, messed with him for decades, concluded he was too boring to bother with, and dumped him back on Krynn at the same moment he'd left; it's also feasible that they could've stripped him of all recollection of his experiences in Ravenloft, upon his return. Unless you're a fanatic about Dragonlance being exactly what Weis and Hickmann say it is -- no deviation allowed, not even at individual DMs' discretion -- there's nothing wrong with resolving the issue that way.
#8 ravenloftlover347 Jun 29, 2006 20:34:08	As I understand it, Soth would be back in DL. I don't remember seeing him in the new DL stuff, so maybe he's in the same state as that Kas guy (the Vecna betrayer one) that got stuck between RL and GH. If anyone knows for certain, it would be nice to know, as I would like to have Soth summoned by a epic-level summoning spell trying to summon a Death Knight. His stats would be nice too, ones that are post-Raveloft.
#9 Mortepierre Jun 30, 2006 3:24:50	Hate to disappoint you but H&W killed him for good (in Dragons of a Vanished Moon IIRC) His pre-RL stats are in the DL accessory War of the Lance. Post-RL, they would be the same given I doubt the DP would let him leave with all the nifty new stuff they had given him.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2006 7:59:51	Bah, it would only take a kender with a time-traveling device to fetch him back.
#11 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2006 14:24:04	Does everybody in the message boards consider WotC the be-all/end-all of their campaigns? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one with deviant campaigns.
#12 orodruin Jun 30, 2006 15:53:19	Unless you're a fanatic about Dragonlance being exactly what Weis and Hickmann say it is -- no deviation allowed, not even at individual DMs' discretion -- there's nothing wrong with resolving the issue that way. Not necessarily. Some of us just plain don't like the idea of him ever being in Ravenloft. Heck, even if Weis and Hickman loved the idea, I'd still dislike it.
#13 jonesy Jul 01, 2006 16:50:41	Why would it matter to anyone what W&H think about it now, or that Sovereign Press would rather stay away from material relating to other settings when they only have rights for DL? All that it affects is the Dragonlance side of things. If you have the Soth Ravenloft material and you use Ravenloft in your campaigns, then you can have Soth in Ravenloft if you want. Simple as that.
#14 lordjerz Jul 27, 2006 10:42:08	Soth should have stayed in Ravenloft. I know I'm apparently in the minority here, but James Lowder is the only author to ever do Lord Soth the justice he deserves. To this day I still read "Knight of the Black Rose" at least once a year or so. I usually finish it rather quickly too. It never gets old.... Lowder is the truth. W&H just took their toy home so no one else could play with it anymore, and then they broke it (killed it) just so no one else could ever have fun with it again. Lord Soth will never die..... which is why I play the D&D skirmish game and make Lord Soth the center of my warband every single time I play. That way, when I'm done whoopin on the other person, they can point to my Lord Soth mini and say "Damn... Lord Soth is that dude." To which I reply "Go read James Lowder's books, you n00b!" and then they are "Ok, I will definitely do that. By the way, you're the most handsome guy I've ever seen...." Sorry, that last part doesn't ever really happen..... I mean, I am really handsome, but usually the guys I play minis with don't notice...LMAO!
#15 zombiegleemax Jul 27, 2006 16:08:42	Lord Soth may be 'dead' in the current Dragonlance timeline, but they aren't finished with him. In the back of the new hardcover novel 'Dragons of the Dwarven Depths', W&H talk about the next book in the series filling in gaps from the original storyline, 'Dragons of the Warlord Skies', that will feature the relationship between Kitiara & Soth.