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Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
Mortepierre
Jul 04, 2006 3:46:49 Apparently, Greyhawk has been "plundered" once again to explain some stuff from the newest Monster Manual. Note that I am not complaining. It just goes to prove they know a good story when they see one...

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060704a&page=1
#2
Elendur
Jul 05, 2006 11:26:56 Ah, the old Elder Elemental Eye - Tharizdun conundrum. Still not sure where I stand. The write up is good though.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 05, 2006 20:50:13 I was recently able to get enough info and a map on Greyhawk to run it, and I'm planning on running something dealing with the whole Elemental Evil Eye concept.
#4
mortellan
Jul 06, 2006 3:01:53 This EEE- monster tie in looks good. If they have an avatar for all 4 elements in MM4 I may consider getting this.
#5
Greyson
Jul 07, 2006 12:23:59
If they have an avatar for all 4 elements in MM4 I may consider getting this.

The preview I got last month did have a creature to represent all four elements. I think the greyhawk community will be pleased with Monster Manual IV.

There are some nasty, nasty creatures in Monster Manual IV. Expect a lot of players to complain about "broken CRs" if a DM or judge uses some of the monsters in this thing.
#6
cwslyclgh
Jul 08, 2006 18:05:51 40 pages taken up with the various dragonspawn and anothre 30 pages taken up with normal creatures from the normal monster manual advanced by adding character classes to them... yeech... no thanks.... this one will wait until I find it at half-priced books... if then.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2006 20:10:27
Ah, the old Elder Elemental Eye - Tharizdun conundrum. Still not sure where I stand. The write up is good though.

So is this the official position Elder eye = Tharizdun. I am confused. It seems multiple sources conflict here. What is the weight of opinion and where does it stand?
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 19, 2006 5:57:17 I think the weight of opinion is that the EEE is an aspect of Tharizdun used to dupe the Elemental Princes among others.
#9
Elendur
Jul 19, 2006 11:44:00 I believe this is the opinion of Monte Cook (author of Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil) and the current Dragon article writers. According to Gary Gygax, however, the implication that EEE = Tharzidun was a mistake.

As far as 'official', if it comes out in a current D&D hardbound, that's official enough for most people. Though this is Greyhawk we're talking about. Some consider anything not written by Gygax as unofficial.
#10
cwslyclgh
Jul 19, 2006 13:38:48
I believe this is the opinion of Monte Cook (author of Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil) and the current Dragon article writers.

it is the opinion of Monte Cook, the opinion of current dragon writers in unknown and doesn't matter since Monte Cook's opinion was published as fact in an official source by the IP holder, and thus became official cannon... dragon writers are bound by official cannon (something that we are thankfuly not bound by in our home games), so even if they were to disagree with the idea that EEE and tharzy are the same in thier, writing they have to support it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Mortepierre Jul 04, 2006 3:46:49	Apparently, Greyhawk has been "plundered" once again to explain some stuff from the newest Monster Manual. Note that I am not complaining. It just goes to prove they know a good story when they see one... http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060704a&page=1
#2 Elendur Jul 05, 2006 11:26:56	Ah, the old Elder Elemental Eye - Tharizdun conundrum. Still not sure where I stand. The write up is good though.
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 05, 2006 20:50:13	I was recently able to get enough info and a map on Greyhawk to run it, and I'm planning on running something dealing with the whole Elemental Evil Eye concept.
#4 mortellan Jul 06, 2006 3:01:53	This EEE- monster tie in looks good. If they have an avatar for all 4 elements in MM4 I may consider getting this.
#5 Greyson Jul 07, 2006 12:23:59	If they have an avatar for all 4 elements in MM4 I may consider getting this. The preview I got last month did have a creature to represent all four elements. I think the greyhawk community will be pleased with Monster Manual IV. There are some nasty, nasty creatures in Monster Manual IV. Expect a lot of players to complain about "broken CRs" if a DM or judge uses some of the monsters in this thing.
#6 cwslyclgh Jul 08, 2006 18:05:51	40 pages taken up with the various dragonspawn and anothre 30 pages taken up with normal creatures from the normal monster manual advanced by adding character classes to them... yeech... no thanks.... this one will wait until I find it at half-priced books... if then.
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2006 20:10:27	Ah, the old Elder Elemental Eye - Tharizdun conundrum. Still not sure where I stand. The write up is good though. So is this the official position Elder eye = Tharizdun. I am confused. It seems multiple sources conflict here. What is the weight of opinion and where does it stand?
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 19, 2006 5:57:17	I think the weight of opinion is that the EEE is an aspect of Tharizdun used to dupe the Elemental Princes among others.
#9 Elendur Jul 19, 2006 11:44:00	I believe this is the opinion of Monte Cook (author of Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil) and the current Dragon article writers. According to Gary Gygax, however, the implication that EEE = Tharzidun was a mistake. As far as 'official', if it comes out in a current D&D hardbound, that's official enough for most people. Though this is Greyhawk we're talking about. Some consider anything not written by Gygax as unofficial.
#10 cwslyclgh Jul 19, 2006 13:38:48	I believe this is the opinion of Monte Cook (author of Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil) and the current Dragon article writers. it is the opinion of Monte Cook, the opinion of current dragon writers in unknown and doesn't matter since Monte Cook's opinion was published as fact in an official source by the IP holder, and thus became official cannon... dragon writers are bound by official cannon (something that we are thankfuly not bound by in our home games), so even if they were to disagree with the idea that EEE and tharzy are the same in thier, writing they have to support it.