Living Greyhawk - How to use?

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jul 19, 2006 18:29:06
Just like to get feedback from the boards regarding LG. I live in Australia and are running a campaign in Sunndi. I will not be issued an RPG Code to run Sunndi campaign arcs as I do not leave in the Benelux countries.

They have done a great job in for this Region but I thought this defeats the purpose of keeping Greyhawk alive and sharing the wealth.

How have other engaged with the other regions or worked through his? I would like to get your experience before hitting the RPGA boards.
#2

samwise

Jul 19, 2006 19:28:41
Greyhawk is kept alive by LG. Thousands of players around the world play LG on a regular basis.

The wealth is shared. In addition the US regions, there are several region in Europe, and regions in Asia have been expanded.

Just because the particular location your campaign is set is not the same as the location assigned to the region assigned to the country you live in does not change how many people are playing LG, or how much Greyhawk is being shared.

As well, by restricting regional play, the wealth is enhanced, as each geographic area gets to put their particular flavor on the regional development.

You also seem to be somewhat confused about what LG is. It is not a series of adventures to be attached to a home campaign, but a campaign itself. If you are running a campaign set in Sunndi, you would not be allowed to use characters from that campaign in sanctioned LG adventures. Fortunately, because LG is about sharing material on Greyhawk, you can still look up the regional website for Sunndi, and use that material to supplement your home campaign. If instead you choose to run an LG campaign, you can have your players create separate characters according to the rules for LG, play sanctioned LG adventures including ones for your region (Perrenland or Ratik I expect), and share in the whole campaign.


Sam Weiss - LG Core Reviewer
#3

zombiegleemax

Jul 19, 2006 20:17:34
Yes, these sites provide excellent background material, with Sunndi being one of the best stand-out examples. Understood.

What I am talking about is the retired scenario's. These sites provide current story arc campaigns, understood. However some these LG sites make available the old adventures they have used in their campaign, that is retired scenario's.

What I am talking about is the ability to make available retired scenario's for global consumption. For example on each site or on WotC feeds. This means your campaign can be at least in some alignment with the unfolding Greyhawk development and story arc.

The trap is the RPGA LG downloads are being listed on the WotC website, so many people (including myself) would think that they could be used freely (aka Triad promotional material).
#4

samwise

Jul 19, 2006 20:48:16
Very few Triads make retired adventures available. And they do so only because they make arrangements with the authors long before. While there is a move for others to do the same, nobody should expect it to become required. Apparently, you also aren't aware of the long running issues about making all adventures available after they retire. The very short version is: there are a lot of issues about contracts and compensation at stake that make it extremely difficult to impossible.
As for downloads being available, I fail to see how that is a "trap" of any sort. There are downloads - the rules for campaign play. Why would you expect they could be used other than in the context of RPGA play? You are reading way too much into concept of a download.
#5

Mortepierre

Jul 20, 2006 2:00:50
The trap is the RPGA LG downloads are being listed on the WotC website, so many people (including myself) would think that they could be used freely (aka Triad promotional material).

You can freely download the 'basic' info for running a RPGA campaign, true, but to download mods you have to log in, register a gaming session, etc.. so that's hardly 'free' (unless you're inputting false info, which is a sure way to get you into a lot of troubles sooner or later).

That said, thank you for the good words about Sunndi. As one of the DMs/players from that region, it's nice to see we are known around
#6

pauln6

Jul 20, 2006 8:03:05
I'm more interested in reading 'official' outcomes of the LG mods rather than downloading all the modules themselves. I'd like to incorporate the ongoing history and the plot arcs of the retired mods into my own campaign history to add flavour. Just because my players are in the Kron Hills doesn't mean that folks in Furyondy are sitting around waitng for them to breeze across the border!

Unfortunately, the mechanism for reporting on the plot arcs is very patchy, which is a real shame, since it means that in the UK it is almost impossible to keep track of what is going on in other countries.
#7

zombiegleemax

Jul 20, 2006 19:26:29
I'm more interested in reading 'official' outcomes of the LG mods rather than downloading all the modules themselves. I'd like to incorporate the ongoing history and the plot arcs of the retired mods into my own campaign history to add flavour. Just because my players are in the Kron Hills doesn't mean that folks in Furyondy are sitting around waitng for them to breeze across the border!

Unfortunately, the mechanism for reporting on the plot arcs is very patchy, which is a real shame, since it means that in the UK it is almost impossible to keep track of what is going on in other countries.

This is exactly right and I agree 100%. WotC does provide this feed at times as a centralised update.
#8

pauln6

Jul 21, 2006 12:47:05
This is exactly right and I agree 100%. WotC does provide this feed at times as a centralised update.

It does? Cool - I never noticed that at all! Where do they post it and/or archive it?
#9

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2006 18:47:59
It does? Cool - I never noticed that at all! Where do they post it and/or archive it?

I would not get too excited, you probably already seen this stuff already, but it at least consolidates any of the submitted LG updates or adventures at WotC at one point.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/arch/dndlg

Or for example:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/region/sunndi

You will see at the bottom Recent Living Greyhawk:

Silent Ones 07/11/2006

Core Adventure Updates 07/11/2006

Core Adventure Updates 06/06/2006

Ahlissa (Naerie) Adventure Updates 06/06/2006

Sunndi Adventure Updates 06/06/2006
#10

samwise

Jul 23, 2006 21:09:17
Just to be clear on what those updates are:

Most are simply posting a list of newly available adventures with the adventure blurbs. That's it. You will see those several times a year for each region, meta-region, and the Core.
Less common are general announcements about rules changes for the campaign, such as the LGCS discussions and document, what new campaign cards are usable, intermediary rules book changes like the Spell Compendium, or the very rare actual rules issue like with polymorph.
Very rare are full changes to the regional, meta-regional, and core "blurbs," I'd expect those once a year, or the posting of old or new articles like the Silent Ones prestige class from the LGJ 1 (featuring 3.5 changes!), or the city articles that have appeared.

They are a great resource, but don't expect to find full adventure resolution summaries.
#11

pauln6

Jul 24, 2006 7:28:10
Oh yeah - I have seen those before but those teasers very rarely contain enough information to incorporate into an ongoing history.

For example, I have no clue what was going on with the Isles of Woe back in Year 1 & 2 but it seems like a noteworthy event that I would like to catalogue! Likewise the fate of Tenh. The death of the Countess of Urnst seems pretty noteworthy too!

I'd love it if just another small paragraph could be added to the teasers maybe a year after the adventures retire, just to give a brief description of what the adventures were about.

What I'm really after is gazeteer information for my own use: inns, city locations, npc names etc to flesh out areas of WoG for my own campaign. It seems like such as wasted resource to have all this stuff going on and no coherent catalogue of LG ongoing history. LG needs an archivist!

Maybe we could start a whip-round to pay for one. Any volunteers?
#12

simpi

Jul 24, 2006 9:19:53
What I'm really after is gazeteer information for my own use: inns, city locations, npc names etc to flesh out areas of WoG for my own campaign. It seems like such as wasted resource to have all this stuff going on and no coherent catalogue of LG ongoing history. LG needs an archivist!

May I point our regional resources:

Gazetteer: http://www.thesplinteredsun.info/naerie/Naerie%20Gazetteer_v1.7.pdf

Retired module information: http://www.thesplinteredsun.info/naerie/retiredscenarios.doc

There are two town articles under baronies of Foelt & Monne. Two more (Felten & Naerie City) are in the pipeline. I will finish them off as soon as I have playtestable version of NAE6-05 Sharafon ready, which should not be too long.

Sampo Haarlaa
Naerie Triad
#13

pauln6

Jul 24, 2006 12:37:51
Oh ya - the Naerie stuff is good - I can't wait for the new city write ups. :-)

There is some really good stuff out there but it takes a lot of effort to find it all and I'm sure that there is a lot of stuff (e.g. people and locations) that appear in mods that falls by the wayside and is never incorporated, which seems a shame.
#14

samwise

Jul 25, 2006 11:28:04
There is some really good stuff out there but it takes a lot of effort to find it all and I'm sure that there is a lot of stuff (e.g. people and locations) that appear in mods that falls by the wayside and is never incorporated, which seems a shame.

I'll say!
I am compiling a list of people (even dead ones) and locations from the Core adventures of the past 6 years for reference. I'd have finished 6 months ago if it wasn't so tedious and dull. (Lendor help me!) But who knows, maybe some of them will make comebacks when I am done.

"Hey, didn't my first character want to kill you in COR1-05?"
"I'm not the NPC you are looking for! ACK!"
#15

pauln6

Jul 25, 2006 12:38:04
That's what I'm talking about! You are a God, Samwise!

Sadly, I think I'd be more of a hindrance than a help to you though. My lists of npcs have ben taken from teasers, official mods, and our home campaign, plus I've made up class levels and alignments which are probably horribly inaccurate.
#16

samwise

Jul 25, 2006 17:26:06
Heh.
I'm not that cool.
(Besides, after what happened to Herod when he didn't correct someone for saying that, I won't forget the object lesson. )

But I have considered finding some happy foo- . . . well-meaning volunteer, to do all the work for me.

It will be finished soon. Then hopefully it can be put to some use.
#17

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2006 20:20:21
May I point our regional resources:

Gazetteer: http://www.thesplinteredsun.info/naerie/Naerie%20Gazetteer_v1.7.pdf

Retired module information: http://www.thesplinteredsun.info/naerie/retiredscenarios.doc

There are two town articles under baronies of Foelt & Monne. Two more (Felten & Naerie City) are in the pipeline. I will finish them off as soon as I have playtestable version of NAE6-05 Sharafon ready, which should not be too long.

Sampo Haarlaa
Naerie Triad

Had a chance to look at that material and it rocks. All accessable in one document. Great work!!!
#18

pauln6

Jul 26, 2006 17:43:54
The adventure summaries are perfect. :-) Just the sort of infomration that is useful to us outsiders to add flavour to an ongoing game. I wish more sites adopted such an efective method.

The only other thing that might be useful would be a list of locations featured in the mods. Some are obvious - the Venemous Temple while others can be gleaned from the npc descriptions but I'm sure some fall through the cracks.

Overall a very cool resource though.
#19

simpi

Jul 26, 2006 23:52:03
The adventure summaries are perfect. :-) Just the sort of infomration that is useful to us outsiders to add flavour to an ongoing game. I wish more sites adopted such an efective method.

The only other thing that might be useful would be a list of locations featured in the mods. Some are obvious - the Venemous Temple while others can be gleaned from the npc descriptions but I'm sure some fall through the cracks.

Overall a very cool resource though.

I can probably check the file out and see if changes are necessary (and in four months, it will get 3 more modules into it).

I plan on uploading Felten town article to website during the weekend as I merely need to take it from NAE6-02 and alter it slightly for general use. Naerie City won't be too far behind.

Edit: First versions of both town articles are now online.

Sampo Haarlaa
Naerie Triad