|#1zombiegleemaxSep 03, 2006 16:29:23||Given WotC's desire to keep campaign settings separate intellectual properties for 3E, and given copyright law, from a legal/official/canonical standpoint, probably only Mystara and Blackmoor would officially be connected in an 3E incarnation. However, here are some otherworldly connections to various Realities of Mystara.|
Imagine playing through these worlds using only OD&D or a variant thereof?
|#2CthulhudrewSep 03, 2006 17:46:08|
Ravenloft. Officially connected to 2E Mystara Reality through the darklord from Norwold, and through its place in the 2E multiverse.
It has also been stated by Ravenloft designer Tracy Hickman that the "Land of Grey Mists" from the Moldvay penned X2: Castle Amber was the inspiration for the creation of Ravenloft. FWIW.
There's also the Urban Arcana/d20 Modern version of planet Earth, where the ISS Beagle is known to have visited.
It has been pointed out that this Beagle is a different Beagle from the Blackmoor vessel, and that the similarity in names is a coincidence in this post by Mike McArtor
Heh. It's more coincidence than anything that I was channelling Blackmoor/Mystara with that one. My original homage was to Darwin's Beagle, but a little of that Mystara background history must have subconsiously seeped into my head when I named it the ISS Beagle. Too bad more didn't seep in, or else it would have been the FSS Beagle. Que sera.
|#3ripvanwormerSep 03, 2006 18:30:30|
[*]Conan's Hyborian Age, Kull's Thurian Age, the Pictish Dark Ages of Bran Mak Morn, and the Puritan era of Solomon Kane (plus other Robert E. Howard story cycles). As part of the Cthulhu Mythos, connected to Mystara through the Dimension of Myth. The Hyborian Age is also a part of the Marvel Universe...which has had crossovers with the Star Trek Universe (which has an alternate official parallel version called the Star Fleet Universe), and the DC Universe, which has crossed with Predator, which has crossed with Alien and Terminator, and so on...
And Conan once met Elric of Melnibone (in a Marvel comic), so that's a connection to Michael Moorcock's whole multiverse. And Moorcock's hero Michael Kane exists in the universe of Alan Moore's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (and there was that Elric/Tom Strong crossover that Moorcock wrote, to cement the Alan Moore connection).
|#4zombiegleemaxSep 04, 2006 2:45:58||There is a possible connection between Mystara and Stormbringer's world given by the NPCs of XL1 "Quest for the Heartstone" (Strongheart, Mercion, Figgen and the like).|
These NPC stats are repeated also in AC1 "Shady Dragon Inn" (and they are cited also in GAZ4 - Ierendi). Here we read that the warrior Strongheart has a nihrain horse - a magical stud typical of the Stormbringer setting. Moreover, two other NPCs have demonic weapons.
This suggests that this NPC party made at least an adventure in the Stormbringer's world.
|#5havardSep 04, 2006 13:06:51|
W00t? Where can I find out more about this?
|#6zombiegleemaxSep 04, 2006 14:19:01||Check it out at the Judges Guild Forums and at James' very own game company Adventure Games Publishing. |
|#7zombiegleemaxSep 04, 2006 20:22:52||Thanks for the clarifications and additions guys - especially the obscure Nihrain Horse reference from LoZompatore. |
Does that make the Nihrain Horse a Mystaran creature? If so, I say we add it to the Creature Conversion Index! A google search indicates this beast was included in the 1e Gods, Demigods, & Heroes book (wasn't that the one that TSR got in trouble over because of its Elric and Cthulhu inclusions?)
|#8CthulhudrewSep 04, 2006 20:57:32|
A google search indicates this beast was included in the 1e Gods, Demigods, & Heroes book (wasn't that the one that TSR got in trouble over because of its Elric and Cthulhu inclusions?)
They didn't get in trouble for it, they just were unable to use those statistics and creatures in their 2nd Edition Deities and Demigods because they no longer had the rights to use them.
|#9ripvanwormerSep 04, 2006 21:11:21||From the rec.games.frp.dnd FAQ:|
The first printing of Deities & Demigods included the mythoi of Cthulhu and Melnibone. The ideas behind the Cthulhu mythos were in the public domain at that time, but copyright on the Cthulhu books in print was owned by Arkham House, who had licensed Chaosium to create a Cthulhu RPG based on those books. TSR thought the public domain status allowed them to create game representations of whatever Cthulhu creatures they desired, and so that mythos was added to Deities & Demigods. TSR then contacted Michael Moorcock, who gave permission for TSR to include the Melnibonean mythos in Deities & Demigods. However, again, Chaosium had already arranged for a license to create an Elric RPG. Chaosium became upset that TSR was apparently violating Chaosium's licenses, and the print run of Deities & Demigods was halted while the two companies sat down to talk. Eventually, they agreed that TSR could continue printing the books with the two mythoi as is, on the condition that a note be added to the preface: "Special thanks are given to Chaosium, Inc. for permission to use the material found in the Cthulhu Mythos and the Melnibonean Mythos." The printing plates were changed, and the first printing continued.
Nihrain horses were detailed in the Melnibonean pantheon chapter. They were 10 HD and 8' tall at their shoulders, with 25% magic resistance.
Here's their flavor text:
A horse of this type appears to be a great black stallion. It can shift into the Ethereal Plane at random times and thus there is a 25% chance that any successful hit will not inflict damage on a Nihrain horse. These creatures can gallop continuously for up to 48 hours, passing with equal ease over both water and land, and flying over chasms or other impediments when necessary. Members of this magical race of horses will only be lent to mortals who are in the direct service of the primary forces of neutrality.