|#1lordjerzSep 04, 2006 19:43:51||I know his story, but I don't understand it. Why did he betray Ariakan? Did he stand to gain something by this act of betrayal? It's the only hole I can find in an otherwise interesting character (IMO of courrse).|
|#2mindolinSep 07, 2006 7:39:24||I believe he might have been promoted to the leadership of the Knights of Takhisis, except for the tiny fact that he died and then became a Death Knight. From a power gamer's perspective, it looks like a win/win situation.|
|#3zombiegleemaxSep 12, 2006 2:31:35||Basicaly, they are trying to erase the older characters from existence, and they needed something that was half way cool to replace Soth.|
|#4zombiegleemaxSep 20, 2006 13:09:56||Krell is not cool at all! IMHO.|
|#5frostdawnSep 20, 2006 13:25:59||Krell comes across almost as bad guy comic relief, or bungling bad guy. Kinda like Lex Luthor's henchman, Otis in the old movies, albeit with alot more power at his disposal. 'Cool' is definitely not a trait I would attribute to Krell.|
|#6zombiegleemaxSep 21, 2006 9:42:46||I wonder if his full story will ever be relate to us?|
|#7zombiegleemaxSep 25, 2006 11:34:24||I was just listening to Dragons of Summer Flame, and I heard a rather curious section, which seems to conflict with Krells storyline. But, I do not have my DL out, so I can't be sure. Is it not true that Krell tampered with Ariakan's mount just before the last battle which caused his death? Ariakan was riding a great wyrm red dragon as a mount according to Summer Flame, so how did Krell "tamper"/poison a red dragon? With no one realizing it? There is a lot of stuff that conflicts with Summer Flame in the Dragonlance world after that book in my opinion, and I am sort of surprised that I am the only one that sees it. It makes me wonder in Weis just pulled the War of Souls out of her a** for some reason? I really respect her as a writter, but I hate her Dragonlance books after the last two chapters of Summer Flame.|
|#8zombiegleemaxSep 25, 2006 12:02:04||In my campaign world, we were doing a summer of flame game and I showed Zeboim cursing Krell for his betrayl of her dearly beloved son. The players liked that added scene.|
|#9cam_banksSep 25, 2006 12:48:11||I imagined Krell poisoning a cow's carcass and the red dragon eating that.|
|#10zombiegleemaxSep 26, 2006 6:49:52||I was right, the campaign setting does say he poisons Ariakan's mount just before the last battle. I think more likely they forgot it was a dragon.|
|#11MortepierreSep 28, 2006 6:49:06|
I was right, the campaign setting does say he poisons Ariakan's mount just before the last battle. I think more likely they forgot it was a dragon.
Eh, with a Fort. save of (minimum) +32, I wonder where he got a poison with a high enough DC to beat that...
(ok, it could have been a natural "1" but still..)
|#12zombiegleemaxSep 28, 2006 7:08:28||That is my point. Additionally, I believe Dragons are immune to poison, but my MMs are boxed up at the moment so I can't double check that.|
|#13cam_banksSep 28, 2006 7:34:13|
That is my point. Additionally, I believe Dragons are immune to poison, but my MMs are boxed up at the moment so I can't double check that.
You can poison a dragon. You just can't paralyze one or put it to sleep.
|#14zombiegleemaxSep 28, 2006 7:38:31||I see. Though I have never knows anyone to successfully do so. . .So it is also true to say that you can not poison a dragon.|
|#15lordjerzOct 26, 2006 11:30:49||Oh, he's definitely not cool, but i found him interesting. However, I'm way too much of a Lord Soth loyalist to accept another death knight.|
Me and Soth were married for 10 years, I'm not ready to date ;)
|#16zombiegleemaxOct 27, 2006 12:36:57||When we created the DLCS we wanted a death knight for the Fifth Age. Since Soth was a powerful and romantic figure, I wanted someone who was very different and unsympathetic. He was a Betrayer, someone who was evil his entire life as opposed to a fallen hero like Soth.|
We left the details of his betrayal somewhat vague, which leaves it open for a good storytelling one day. Poisoning a powerful red dragon is no small feat, so it was probably something Krell had planned for a long time and waited for the perfect moment to strike.
I was really thrilled to see Margaret fully flesh him out for the Dark Disciple series. I can't wait to see what his ultimate fate is at the series' conclusion.
|#17lordjerzOct 27, 2006 15:38:36||Yeah, I enjoy Krell - he's no Soth, but then he's not supposed to be anyway. He's interesting in a very different way. Plus a death knight that's a dark knight instead of a fallen paladin was a good twist too. I don't wanna spoil anything, but hopefully the ausric krell from book one will return, not the one that's at the end of book two, you dig? ;)|
|#18frostdawnOct 28, 2006 23:09:04|
When we created the DLCS we wanted a death knight for the Fifth Age. Since Soth was a powerful and romantic figure, I wanted someone who was very different and unsympathetic. He was a Betrayer, someone who was evil his entire life as opposed to a fallen hero like Soth.
Hearing that intention for the character, I think he could have been a truly awe-inspiring character. He could have been proactively evil, instead of the brooding 'leave me alone or I'll crush you' vibe that Soth exuded. And given the poisoning of the dragon, it demonstrates a level of patience, calculation, planning, and a certain sense of guile. Not to mention ambition. All things that would make a truly dangerous and wicked character, particularly if given the powers and form of a deathknight. That kind of portrayal could have given the age of mortals it's first iconic bad guy- the Soth or Raistlin of the age. Something other than a god run amok to be the foil for any heroes that could emerge to further define the age and establish new legends.
Instead, Krell has been portrayed as borderline incompetent, unimaginative, bumbling, hot-tempered, with little to no patience, and rather cowardly. For crap's sake, a Kender saw his soul and thought he was weak and pathetic. How much lower can you get than that? If that was all Margaret's rendition of him, then for the first time, I think I've found a character portrayal of Margaret's I really don't like in the slightest. And that's saying something since I'm typically completely enamored with her writing and characters.
|#19zombiegleemaxOct 30, 2006 9:31:01||I'm the guy to blame for the description in the DLCS, but he became Margaret's character in the novels. I wasn't sure what to make of him either, but with all the powerful, intense characters in the book (Mina, Chemosh) I think Krell actually provides a good foil. At first I wasn't sure what to make of him, but Krell grew on me.|
Note that it's all a matter of perspective. For other characters, Krell would be downright terrifying and Storm's Keep would NOT be a place anyone would have wanted to venture.