Bargle Sources

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#1

zombiegleemax

Sep 11, 2006 16:59:39
Okay, so Bargle is in the red box and the Karameikos box, but where else can I find information on him?

Thanks!
#2

maddog

Sep 11, 2006 18:48:51
Here....

http://www.pandius.com/bargle.html

It a conversion of Bargle from K:KoA.

And here.....

http://freefind.com/servlet/freefind?id=574922&pageid=r&query=Bargle&mode=Find+pages+matching+ALL+words

This is the search page on the Vaults of Pandius.

I don't own it but I would assume that he is also in Gazetteer 1: The Grand Duchy of Karameikos.

--Ray.
#3

gawain_viii

Sep 11, 2006 18:53:29
As famous as the Infamous wizard is, he only appears in a few places. In the Ierendi gazetteer, there is an advertisement for a detective agency, where the proprieter, Bargle, claims to have no relation to "that other guy in Karameikos."
As I don't have Kingdom of Adventure, I don't know if he's in there or not... I can only assume he is at least mentioned. Also he is mentioned in a few of the Almanacs, describing what happened to him and von Hendriks after they escaped the halflings which arrested them.
#4

Cthulhudrew

Sep 11, 2006 20:01:35
Okay, so Bargle is in the red box and the Karameikos box, but where else can I find information on him?

Hmm... methinks I smell a Mystara article coming up. Or else maybe Bargle is going to make an appearance in the Savage Tide?

Anyway:

Bargle Appearances:

Red Box Basic Set (Mentzer version, 1983):




Blue Box Expert Set (Mentzter, 1983):
[LIST]p. 38: It is mentioned for the first time that Bargle is an agent of the Black Eagle, and his presence in the ruins north of Threshold (Mistamere) is to investigate rumors of a Ducal coin mint in that town.


X10: Red Arrow, Black Shield (1985):


Gazetteer 1: The Grand Duchy of Karameikos (1987):


Gazetteer 4: The Kingdom of Ierendi (1987):


Gazetteer 11: The Republic of Darokin (1989):


Poor Wizard's Almanac, AC 1010 (1992):



Poor Wizard's Almanac, AC 1011 (1993):



Dragon Magazine #206 (1994):




Poor Wizard's Almanac, AC 1012 (1994):




Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure boxed set (1994)




Dragon Magazine #216 (1995):


Joshuan's Almanac, AC 1013 (1995):


Not sure if I missed anything or not. I don't own DDA3: Eye of Traldar, which features one of Bargle's apprentices, I belive (some guy named Sverdlov), and there might be one or two references here and there (I know that Bruce Heard mentioned his name once when someone asked a question to the Grimoire about why Sverdlov was in DDA3 and not Bargle, for instance). This should be mostly comprehensive, though.
#5

eldersphinx

Sep 11, 2006 22:37:46
There's also the t-shirt. :D
#6

zombiegleemax

Sep 11, 2006 22:53:56
There's also this post-TSR (late 1990s) article by Bruce Heard suggesting that Bargle may be the mastermind behind a cult of Halfling Thugees!

Shane

P.S. Great job on the Barglological research Andrew!
#7

Hugin

Sep 11, 2006 23:02:12
That shirt is great! lol
When's the movie coming out? Is Quentin Tarantino going to be involved in this one too? ;)
#8

zombiegleemax

Sep 11, 2006 23:44:41
Hmm... methinks I smell a Mystara article coming up. Or else maybe Bargle is going to make an appearance in the Savage Tide?

As always, I can neither confirm nor deny the possible appearance of a Mystara-related subject in Dragon. :angelhide

I can, however, thank you sincerely for the comprehensive list of sources.

Thanks Drew!!!

#9

Cthulhudrew

Sep 12, 2006 2:25:45
I love that t-shirt!

Also, much as I generally disliked the "What He/She Says" entry in the AD&D NPC entries, the one from Bargle's in K:KoA is pretty classic:

"You only think I'm mad! Bwah-hah-hah!"

#10

Cthulhudrew

Sep 12, 2006 2:32:09
I can, however, thank you sincerely for the comprehensive list of sources.

No problems. As Maddog pointed out, there are also a bunch of references and things to Bargle on the Vaults. I know for certain that he was used in a couple of the Mystara Almanacs (because I used him there ), where he was working for the Nagpa on Serraine the last time we saw him.

I also used his nephew as the host of the (short-lived; mea culpa) Survivor All-Stars: The d'Ambrevilles stories that ran for a couple of episodes here on the MMB a couple of years back. Always meant to get back to that story; maybe I will again soon...
#11

Cthulhudrew

Sep 12, 2006 3:32:40
Just for the fun of it, here's a quick picture of Bargle that I made up after watching Prison Break earlier tonight- for some reason, Robert Knepper (T-Bag) just strikes me as a perfect Bargle:

IMAGE(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9241/bargle2ri4.th.jpg)
#12

zombiegleemax

Sep 12, 2006 3:51:02
Not sure if I missed anything or not.

I add a couple of more references to you excellent list (unluckily I do not own the DDA3 module either):

GAZ8 - The Five Shires

Here you read about Bargle's apprentice mages in the Black Eagle Barony. Their effectives are cited in the adventure plot #1 (Wereskalot Watch) and then listed in #14 (The Black Eagle swoops).

Mages: Eleven Chaotic magic users, as follows: 1st level: 4; 2nd level: 3; 3rd level: 3; 4th level: 1; 15th level: 1 (Bargle)

The same list shows also a bugbear band fighting under the Black Eagle's flag, that may be connected to Bargle given the reference in Dragon Magazine #206:

Vileraider Bugbear Band: MV 5, BR 68, Personnel 600 (Fair), maces, spears, mixed weaponry.

Book of Wondrous Inventions

On page 90, in the "Dorfin's little shop of horrors" section there is the description of the "Bargle's Infamous Firepack" (a kind of rudimental jet-pack), an invention built by an unnamed gnome who stole a great number of Wands of Fireball to the evil Bargle and used them to make this odd contraption:

Bargle’s Infamous Firepack: This invention is named after a nefarious Karameikan wizard from whom the gnomish inventor stole dozens of Wands of Fireball. The invention consists of a thick leather backpack solidly fastened with two Wands of Fireball facing 45 degrees down and backward. The wand tips are stuck in hollow metal tubes. Upon uttering the command word, the wands shoot fireballs into the narrow tubes, which channels the flames out with great force. In effect, this causes the user to suddenly leap forward, away from a pursuing foe.
#13

Cthulhudrew

Sep 12, 2006 6:49:15
Book of Wondrous Inventions

Good catch on these! - I thought I'd remembered a Bargle reference there, but couldn't find it.

Completely missed the Gaz8 one, though. The Vileraiders must be the same bugbear band of Bargle's, that's for sure. They've probably just become much more fanatic in the 10 years since their appearance in Gaz8.

I don't think there are any, but does anyone else know if there are any references to Bargle in Dungeon at all? I'm still missing quite a few of the Mystara ones, so I'm not sure.
#14

gazza555

Sep 12, 2006 7:01:00
Hmm... methinks I smell a Mystara article coming up. Or else maybe Bargle is going to make an appearance in the Savage Tide?

Or in Ed Greenwood's "Wizard's Three" - then again maybe not.

Of course, what would be best would be a Mystara article linked to STAP. ;)

Regards
Gary
#15

the_stalker

Sep 12, 2006 7:39:58
Not sure if I missed anything or not. I don't own DDA3: Eye of Traldar, which features one of Bargle's apprentices, I belive (some guy named Sverdlov), and there might be one or two references here and there (I know that Bruce Heard mentioned his name once when someone asked a question to the Grimoire about why Sverdlov was in DDA3 and not Bargle, for instance).

I don't think Bargle is even mentioned in "Eye of Traldar". I just gave it cursory look, and didn't notice him. Sverdlov is mentioned, of course, but has no stats, since he never actually appears in the adventure - he's just mentioned to be new court wizard of von Hendriks, "a sinister and evil man reputed to be from Glantri"... I wonder what Bargle was doing at the time? Or maybe Ludwig decided he could have more than one court wizard, and Bargle is top dog, while Sverdlov is merely "one of the others".

Still, Sverdlov is not said to have any relation to Bargle or even be his apprentice (seeing as how Bargle isn't mentioned at all) in that adventure. But I do recall that Bruce Heard mentioned that Sverdlov was his cousin (he spelled the name "Sverdloff" instead, but there is no doubt it's the same character, since it's in reference to the villain of the adventure).

Interestingly, Bruce also said that Bargle "has gone to Hule to have a serious little talk with The Master" (the reason for leaving Bargle out was that the adventure is entry-level, and TSR apparently didn't want a confrontation between low-level PCs and Bargle, since it could kill either the PCs or a major campaign villain). That Sverdlov was Bargle's apprentice seems to be speculation after the fact, although it seems quite likely to me. Still, we don't actually know how experienced Sverdlov was/is, as there were never published any stats for him. At least not that I've ever seen or heard of.
#16

the_stalker

Sep 12, 2006 7:42:51
Or in Ed Greenwood's "Wizard's Three" - then again maybe not.

Of course, what would be best would be a Mystara article linked to STAP. ;)

Regards
Gary

Personally, I'd love to see a "Wizards Three" with Mordenkainen, Elminster and Terari/Tylion.

Or maybe just an all-Mystaran "Wizards Three" with Terari/Tylion, Demetrion/Stafanius, and Etienne d'Ambreville/Rad... Hmm, is it just me or do Mystaran wizards seem rather mysterious and secretive? ;)
#17

Cthulhudrew

Sep 12, 2006 8:06:01
Personally, I'd love to see a "Wizards Three" with Mordenkainen, Elminster and Terari/Tylion.

How about an evil version of the Wizards Three with Bargle, Manshoon (FR), and Rary the Traitor (Greyhawk)? You could have a cameo with Raistlin as well.
#18

havard

Sep 12, 2006 10:14:03
"Meet Bargle the Infamous, most feared wizard of Greyhawk!"

Seriously though, I know Mike is a Mystara fan and hopefully he won't do something like that. The Isle of Dread thing still hurts a little. Seeing Bargle in STAP could be interesting. A more generic article, maybe the first in a "Legendary Wizards" line with no setting references whatsoever would work for me. Ofcourse, a fully fledged Mystara article would be ideal.

BTW, I didnt really like the illustrations of Bargle in K:KoA. Do you guys agree that he didn't look quite right there?

Håvard
#19

maddog

Sep 12, 2006 10:37:55
I didnt really like the illustrations of Bargle in K:KoA. Do you guys agree that he didn't look quite right there?



I didn't think any of the illustrations "looked right" but at least all of them looked the same across the whole of the work.

An article on Bargle would be really cool. STAP or other.

--Ray.
#20

zombiegleemax

Sep 14, 2006 4:21:49
I don't think there are any, but does anyone else know if there are any references to Bargle in Dungeon at all? I'm still missing quite a few of the Mystara ones, so I'm not sure.

Actually I found a reference, even if it's a minor one. It is just at the beginning of the adventure "Of nests and nations" in Dungeon Magazine #13.
Here Bargle is mentioned just to say that he is not the responsible for the arsons in the docks of Specularum. A little interesting info is that the evil mage acts also abroad (Minrothad, in this case) to serve the interests of the Black Eagle Barony:

Suspicion automatically fell on Baron von Hendriks and his wizard Bargle the Infamous, when the murders and fires began. It is now known that Bargle has been in the Minrothad Guilds on the baron's business for the past several weeks. The baron has just recovered from a prolonged illness (some say he was poisoned) and is busy purging his own ranks. It seems extremely unlikely, without Bargle close at hand and with internal strife in his own barony, that von Hendriks would attempt, or could attempt, a stratagem of arson and murder against the city.

I don't think that Bargle is mentioned in any other Dungeon Magazine adventure, but I do not possess the whole set of OD&D adventures of this magazine, either.
#21

barons_man

Sep 18, 2006 17:17:41
I seem to remember he was mentioned in b1-9 (in the great escape?), or is my mind going.
also mentioned in passing in a low level module based in the black eagle barony, forgotten the module id
#22

happylarry

Sep 19, 2006 17:57:45
A quick glance at B1-9 - interludes B and C before and after the Great escape - shows that the adventure was set in Black Eagle barony, but no mention of Bargle...
#23

chatdemon

Oct 16, 2006 4:29:30
For the record, there is no mention of Bargle in DDA3: Eye of Traldar. The position of court wizard to the Baron is held by a man named Aurelian.

Nor is Bargle found in dda4.
#24

agathokles

Oct 16, 2006 6:21:03
For the record, there is no mention of Bargle in DDA3: Eye of Traldar. The position of court wizard to the Baron is held by a man named Aurelian.

So we now have 3 different court wizards for the Black Eagle -- since we know that Bargle was also court wizard between 1000 AC and the fall of the Black Eagle.
Either these others were apprentices of Bargle, or maybe they were Masters of the Iron Ring that acted as representatives to the Baron, and might have acted as court wizards while Bargle was away.
#25

chatdemon

Oct 16, 2006 10:40:31
Well, technically DDA3 never gives Aurelian the title of court wizard to the Baron, but he is the wizard living in the wizard's quarters in the tower of the Baron's keep, and no mention is made of him being a lackey to anyone.
#26

gazza555

Oct 16, 2006 11:01:36
Maybe Aurelian is Bargle's first name or, perhaps, his second. :D

Or, perhaps even, the Black Eagle Barony has a 'time-share' scheme for being an 'evil wizard'. An aspiring wizard could book a fortnight at a time. :heehee

Regards
Gary
#27

gawain_viii

Oct 16, 2006 11:04:18
I'm more inclined to belive that someone of the Baron's influence might have several court wizards, Bargle being chief among them... With Bargle's apprentices each giving preference to a job over outside sources (who may have been influenced by a consience)...

But would it not also be possible (I don't have DDA3 or 4 to compare stats) that Aurelian is the proper name for the Wizard infamously known as Bargle? (He is described as being of Thyatian stock after all, and Bargle isn't quite a fitting name.)

Just a little food for thought,
Roger
#28

chatdemon

Oct 16, 2006 11:05:38
Sure, in a home, it's quite easy to assume that Aurelian is an alias of bargle's, or that he's an apprentice or colleague, etc. That's probably how I'd rule it if I was running the adventure.

For a precise "canon" evaluation of the material though, I think we have to assume that Aurelian and Bargle are unrelated.
#29

chatdemon

Oct 16, 2006 11:14:38
Aurelian is listed as a 3rd level MU in DDA3. Gaz1 lists Bargle as 15th level. Either they are different guys, or DDA3 is set very early in Bargle's employment with the Baron.
#30

Cthulhudrew

Oct 16, 2006 12:17:26
Actually, the boxed text on p. 13 of DDA3 clearly states that Aurelian is Sverdlov's apprentice, and that Sverdlov is the Black Eagle's "new court wizard." So there are still only two possible court wizards, the question is- is Sverdlov the real name of "Bargle", or did something happen between Gaz1 and DDA3 that put Bargle out of favor in the Black Eagle's court (but of course, he regains his favor prior to 1010, when he is the Black Eagle's court wizard again- at least before looting his treasury and abandoning him to the halflings.)
#31

goobulon

Oct 16, 2006 13:08:59
Hey, I'll check this when I get home, but I have a vague memory of Bargle being in B1-9. Wasn't he the catalyst of the "Captured" adventure?
#32

chatdemon

Oct 16, 2006 13:39:01
Hey, I'll check this when I get home, but I have a vague memory of Bargle being in B1-9. Wasn't he the catalyst of the "Captured" adventure?

That npc, an agent of Baron Von Hendriks posing as a spy working for Duke Stefan, could be Bargle if you wanted to introduce him into the B1-9 adventure, but his name in the adventure is Anton.
#33

zombiegleemax

Oct 30, 2006 16:56:25
Hey Cthulhudrew, when you get a chance could you please check the email address associated with your Wizards messageboard account?

Thanks! :D