Prestige Class Appendix?

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#1

master_ivan

Sep 24, 2006 18:43:49
Hi guys

Several weeks ago, our friend Kal, introduced us to a PrC appendix. Which he intended to publish this summer. I was just wondering how this was progressing? Is there any progress or is it on hold or...?

Just wondering...:D

Anyway, take it easy Kal, been a while since I heard from you...;)
#2

kalthandrix

Sep 24, 2006 21:16:48
Soon :P

It is in process, but with over 80 PrCs and a huge work schedule this summer, I did not have a lot of time to work on it. I have obtained the help of brun01 and he has been giving me a hand with some of the work load lately. It is my intentions to have this to athas.org by the middle or end of November, if not sooner; then it will be out of my hands as to when the rest of the public will see it.

Until then - patience young one. You must be mindful of your thoughts learn to control your emotions! :D
#3

kalthandrix

Sep 26, 2006 10:08:10
This is just an FYI for some of those people who have contributed PrCs for the Appendix II.

If I sent you a PrC that had comments, questions, or suggested changes - you need to get back with me on those items. I am not saying that you have to give into what I want or suggest - I am a reasonable man, but if I do not hear back from you, then your PrC will sit in the unprocessed folder in my computer and it WILL NOT be included in the Appendix II. I do not have the time or energy to chase down people who I have already contacted to try and get their material finished.

Thank you.
#4

bengeldorn

Sep 26, 2006 10:59:30
This is just an FYI for some of those people who have contributed PrCs for the Appendix II.

If I sent you a PrC that had comments, questions, or suggested changes - you need to get back with me on those items. I am not saying that you have to give into what I want or suggest - I am a reasonable man, but if I do not hear back from you, then your PrC will sit in the unprocessed folder in my computer and it WILL NOT be included in the Appendix II. I do not have the time or energy to chase down people who I have already contacted to try and get their material finished.

Thank you.

I don't know about whom you are especially talking about, but I haven't recieved any mails from you. Maybe you could just list the PrC you are talking about, so that the designers know, that you have tried to contact them.
#5

kalthandrix

Sep 26, 2006 11:21:22
Well I do not want to call anyone out specifically - that would not be kosher on a public messageboard - but if you have not gotten an e-mail from me, then this message does not really pertain to you and you have little to worry about at this point.

In some cases I have not had to do much of anything to a PrC (minor fixes and formatting being items I just do automatically), therefore there was no need to e-mail the author. It also may be that brun01 or I have not reviewed the Prc - so if there are signiciant changes, we will contact the author then.

I am sorry to say, but in a few cases, I have had to cut PrCs from consideration for either being incomplete, poorly designed (sorry), or it mirrors an already published PrC too closely. After I am finished with my phase of this project, the Senate will also be reviewing the Appendix II and they may also make cuts.

As I said when I first started gathering the PrCs, not all of the Prcs submitted will make it into the Appendix II, as athas.org still requires a certian level of quality and uniqueness in the material, even though it is fan-made - this will be an official product.
#6

master_ivan

Sep 28, 2006 17:35:59
Thank you Kal! I can assure you we're all waiting like children before christmas

Good luck with the finessing and finishing ;)

:bounce:
#7

fnordbear

Nov 11, 2006 15:38:07
*casts raise dead*

So is there any update on this project?
#8

Pennarin

Nov 11, 2006 17:44:30
I don't know about whom you are especially talking about, but I haven't recieved any mails from you.

Basically, all PrCs I helped on don't need changing. Its a given.
#9

bengeldorn

Nov 11, 2006 19:41:09
Basically, all PrCs I helped on don't need changing. Its a given.

Hehe....it seems to pay out to work with other boardmembers...one of them could be become templar of athas.org ;)
#10

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 12, 2006 9:30:07
Hehe....it seems to pay out to work with other boardmembers...one of them could be become templar of athas.org

Especially if you work with those in the bureaus dedicated to the area in question. ;)
#11

cnahumck

Nov 12, 2006 19:55:28
A lot of life is about who you know, not what you know. Take Javen the Elf. He knows that the Templar Overseer Ryktath loves a certain sweet made from a combination of broy and fruit. The resulting candy is a bit of luxury normally, but Javen knows how to make it, and always makes sure that he has some of that sweet, sweet candy when he enters the city-state of Urik. If he didn't know about Overseer Ryktath's sweet tooth, how else would he get those spell components into the city.

Knowing the right people, and giving them what they need to keep them happy and agreeable always smooths out things for you. It's like a Charm Person spell, but without the magic :D
#12

kalthandrix

Nov 12, 2006 21:19:10
I wish someone would give me some candy! All I get is more work.

As for an update, I am still aiming to have this done by the nd of November now, but that date could change slightly, due to the help I am giving to some of the other projects that are currently in process. There are actually only a few other PrCs that need to be reviewed and then I need to make it all into one doc and give it a final review to check it all.
#13

thebrax

Nov 12, 2006 21:23:32
Kal and Bruno have been helping with LC and FFN because I begged them to. Blame me.
#14

cnahumck

Nov 12, 2006 22:12:53
we could never blame you for such a wonderful document (shameless plug since I am helping on it).:D
#15

brun01

Nov 13, 2006 7:23:47
I wish someone would give me some candy! All I get is more work.

Stop giving excuses and start working already. The Big Kahuna commands it!
#16

kalthandrix

Nov 13, 2006 9:02:33
Stop giving excuses and start working already. The Big Kahuna commands it!

The only thing holding me up is my lazy apprentice seems to have wandered away and gotten a swollen head :P

Ahhh, kids these days. What are you going to do with 'em
#17

cnahumck

Nov 13, 2006 10:22:20
The only thing holding me up is my lazy apprentice seems to have wandered away and gotten a swollen head :P

Ahhh, kids these days. What are you going to do with 'em

You have an apprentice? Who would that be?
#18

kalthandrix

Nov 13, 2006 15:50:03
You have an apprentice? Who would that be?

Well...seeing as how you are asking, we know it is not you :P .

The wayward soul will soon get his act together and once more return to grovel at his master's feet. The only reason I have allowed him to range so far a field is to instill within him a lesson.

For now he knows freedom and wonder, but once I take up his chain and slowly wind its length back to me, his spirit will be broken and he will be like clay before a sculptor. Oh sure. He may struggle when he is drawn back, but that will only serve to reinforce the futility of his fight. It will also make the breaking of his spirit that much more enjoyable; for me!

But do not despair, I may take up under my wing one day if you ask nicely.
#19

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 13, 2006 17:06:39
Freeman Kal dares calling templar Bruno a slave? This will not go by unnoticed.
#20

kalthandrix

Nov 13, 2006 18:43:35
Freeman Kal dares calling templar Bruno a slave? This will not go by unnoticed.

No I did not.

I simply imply that I am a puppet master and he is my toy that I have sing and dance around to my every whim :D
#21

Pennarin

Nov 13, 2006 22:04:15
A good master makes the slave believe he's the master...
#22

kalthandrix

Nov 13, 2006 22:22:00
A good master makes the slave believe he's the master...

Phah! I like to mold my toys like clay - sometimes you must be gental and just a guiding hand, but other times you have to break out the tools and force it into the shape you desire. Sure, some get broken, but that is why I have more clay.
#23

brun01

Nov 14, 2006 6:53:09
No I did not.

I simply imply that I am a puppet master and he is my toy that I have sing and dance around to my every whim :D

Kal, did you stop taking your medication again? Don't make me tell your wife on you.
#24

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 24, 2006 9:48:03
Templars - back to your duties. Your master has returned from the City-State of Las Vegas.
#25

brun01

Nov 24, 2006 9:54:33
I've finished mine already, everything now is 100% Kal's fault! :P
#26

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 24, 2006 9:57:18
Then I will either give you new tasks or you can help Kal with his tasks. :P
#27

brun01

Nov 24, 2006 10:02:50
Then I will either give you new tasks or you can help Kal with his tasks. :P

Only if you want Brax to kill me...
#28

thebrax

Nov 24, 2006 18:03:32
Hands off Bruno. :p He's got his hands full with FFN.
#29

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 24, 2006 19:22:18
Then I won´t cut his hands off. :P
#30

ruhl-than_sage

Nov 24, 2006 19:30:54
For now he knows freedom and wonder, but once I take up his chain and slowly wind its length back to me, his spirit will be broken and he will be like clay before a sculptor. Oh sure. He may struggle when he is drawn back, but that will only serve to reinforce the futility of his fight. It will also make the breaking of his spirit that much more enjoyable; for me!

Is that a picture of Jon?
#31

thebrax

Nov 24, 2006 23:17:10
No, but I've got some good pictures of Jon, including his avangion transformation and getting swarmed by braxlings.
#32

Pennarin

Nov 24, 2006 23:34:40
I would have liked to go to Death Valley, ring at the door, and hand out a pamphlet on God's plan for the world and how you can be a part of it. After you'd have politely sent me on my way I would have kept bugging you for money handouts until you'd threaten me with violence and then...the reveal: "Hi Brax, its Penn..!" /guffaws
#33

thebrax

Nov 24, 2006 23:59:01
Well, Death Valley ended up being more of a drive than i'd supposed and there were other local attractions. We did make it out into some very dry mountains and found an interesting cave, but ended up doing all our gaming indoors. Jon did quite well, and amazingly there were no PC deaths, although I believe that Jon came within 3 hp of death when he entered melee invisible while my wife was casting lightning bolts. I should have warned Jon that friendly fire accounts for 1/3 of PC deaths in my games.

In a three session game, Jon started in Tyr and the nearby wilderness, boarded the Jade Marquess, entered Spoil and freed a captive with information, identified a Kurnan spy, and eventually made his way towards his mark, a fellow by the name of Dote Mal Payne, you may have heard of him
#34

Pennarin

Nov 25, 2006 0:14:04
a fellow by the name of Dote Mal Payne, you may have heard of him

I hear he's of little consequence.
#35

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 25, 2006 9:49:12
Jon did quite well, and amazingly there were no PC deaths, although I believe that Jon came within 3 hp of death when he entered melee invisible while my wife was casting lightning bolts.

I rolled a 1 on my Reflex Save, and besides - if you had accepted the fact that your wife was stating she cast the 5 foot-wide version of the lightning bolt, not the 10 foot one you insisted on, then there wouldn´t have been an issue at all. In fact, in 3.5 the lightning bolt is a line - there aren´t two versions. :P

Anyway, I survived and single-handedly killed your little 22nd level dragon with my little 12th level dune trader on the first round. ;)
#36

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 25, 2006 9:51:57
Maybe we should start a separate thread?
#37

thebrax

Nov 25, 2006 13:55:35
I rolled a 1 on my Reflex Save, and besides - if you had accepted the fact that your wife was stating she cast the 5 foot-wide version of the lightning bolt, not the 10 foot one you insisted on, then there wouldn´t have been an issue at all.

Trouble is that she only stated that *after* she cast the spell, when she discovered that her character's invisible brother was adjacent to one of the braxats that she was taking down. That left the situation ambiguous, and my own house rule is that when it's ambiguous, go with the most believable outcome according to the laws of the physical universe. Besides, you lived:P

In fact, in 3.5 the lightning bolt is a line - there aren´t two versions. :P

Is that so, Mr. "Oh, the 3.0 PHB spells are pretty much the same and we don't need to worry?" :P



-brax, still waiting for his 3.5 PHB to arrive by mail from Amazon.
#38

brun01

Nov 25, 2006 18:08:04
Anyway, I survived and single-handedly killed your little 22nd level dragon with my little 12th level dune trader on the first round. ;)

You killed DMP? You bastards!

Brax what kind of lousy DM are you? How DMP could've died with such awesome alarms? :P
#39

thebrax

Nov 25, 2006 19:26:01
You killed DMP? You bastards!

Brax what kind of lousy DM are you? How DMP could've died with such awesome alarms? :P

Jon didn't actually kill him in the first round. Despite setting off the mother of all alarms and waking DMP up, Jon won initiative and nailed DMP with a standard DMG poison. Despite of a suspiciously high fortitude bonus that we need to check, DMP failed his fortitude save. Took 14 points of strength damage. Helpless. So to correct Jon's account, he killed him in the *second* round. :P

Still was some damned clever, daring, and lucky play.

Where I erred was not realizing that teleport rules in 3.5 are more lenient to people that get losed. Having failed to read his wizard's newsletter about the spell function updates, DMP assumed that anyone teleporting into the area would first scry it. My wife teleported in with Jon about a mile from DMP's tent, based on a description that they obtained from a prisoner. Had they scried first, they'd have triggered the alarm. But they made their way to the tent. Jon cut his way into the tent, and (barely) avoided triggering sthe initial alarms. I guess that was a second error on my part -- in retrospect DMP probably should have put an alarm conditioned on anyone cutting through the side of the tent. But the illusionary sleeping version of DMP almost did fool Jon.

Had DMP had a single moment to act, Jon would have had his hands full with four bone golems.

Glad you liked that alarm spell file :D
#40

Zardnaar

Nov 26, 2006 3:37:53
Templars - back to your duties. Your master has returned from the City-State of Las Vegas.

Is that the one with the Sorceror King Te'xas Holdem?
#41

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 26, 2006 8:55:01
Is that so, Mr. "Oh, the 3.0 PHB spells are pretty much the same and we don't need to worry?"

Actually, let me refresh your memory - I stated "That aspect of lightning bolt may have been changed in 3.5". My comment on changes from 3.0 to 3.5 was for the Player´s Handbook in general.

Jon didn't actually kill him in the first round. Despite setting off the mother of all alarms and waking DMP up, Jon won initiative and nailed DMP with a standard DMG poison. Despite of a suspiciously high fortitude bonus that we need to check, DMP failed his fortitude save. Took 14 points of strength damage. Helpless. So to correct Jon's account, he killed him in the *second* round.

That´s correct. I rendered him paralyzed and helpless on the first round. The coup de grace was executed on the second round.

But the illusionary sleeping version of DMP almost did fool Jon.

I disbelieved the illusion.
#42

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 26, 2006 9:05:58
Brax what kind of lousy DM are you?

I told Brax I knew someone would say that. Really, it wasn´t his fault I rolled a 30 to initiative, hit AC 30-something and got an above average roll on my Dragon Bile poison damage.
#43

thebrax

Nov 27, 2006 18:54:08
But the illusionary sleeping version of DMP almost did fool Jon. [/QUOTE=Brax]
I disbelieved the illusion.

Not sure that conflicts with what I said. I can't read your mind, but I had the impression that disbelieving the illusion was a last second decision on your part, after I gave you a spot check. Hence "almost did fool Jon."

In any event, I thought it was a high tension moment.

The adventure definitely was not an epic level challenge, nor was it meant to be; I planned it to run at about CR 16. More than enough of a challenge for three 12th level characters, and like I said above, I thought your strategy and tactics were brilliant, and your character had almost the perfect skill-set for the adventure. You carefully skirted all of the nastiest combats. I did *not* predict that you'd be able to successfully stow away aboard the Jade Marquess without alerting her crew and captain; taking out those attacking elves without letting the crew realize you were fighting on their side was brilliant, and kept you from being discovered. And you took out DMP before he could counterattack. DMP was sloppy and created a rather stupid situation where his followers were too afraid to wake him (hence the lower CR) but he did have some clever traps set up. One single round and you'd have had four bone golems on you. The alarm that DMP did catch you with was a pretty clever trick. You had to know it was a trap but it was just to convenient to resist anyway. I don't know how challenged you felt, but I certainly enjoyed myself. I just wish I had a picture of your face when I played DMP's alarm :P
#44

kalthandrix

Nov 27, 2006 23:32:54
Anyway...to get back on topic here.

I hope to get the Appendix II off to Jon to look at some time in the next few weeks - hopefully before the middle of December.

I am currently putting some final revisions to some PrCs and getting around to having someone look at my personal PrCs that I have revised - yes, my PrCs are subjust to the same criteria and review as everyone else's

Currently there are 63 PrCs (a total of 89 pages without all the pretty stuff added) in my master document and I think I will be able to add 4 or 5 more to that when I get the revisions back.

I am also working on a small short story to include in it and have one other person working on another.

:D
#45

thebrax

Nov 28, 2006 1:17:18
I told Brax I knew someone would say that. Really, it wasn´t his fault I rolled a 30 to initiative, hit AC 30-something and got an above average roll on my Dragon Bile poison damage.

Yeah, well, I think the price of Dragon Bile's about to go up since Ablach-Re's death, anyway, unless someone can come up with another bulemic dragon ;)
#46

jon_oracle_of_athas

Nov 28, 2006 15:37:59
The adventure definitely was not an epic level challenge, nor was it meant to be; I planned it to run at about CR 16. More than enough of a challenge for three 12th level characters, and like I said above, I thought your strategy and tactics were brilliant, and your character had almost the perfect skill-set for the adventure. You carefully skirted all of the nastiest combats. I did *not* predict that you'd be able to successfully stow away aboard the Jade Marquess without alerting her crew and captain; taking out those attacking elves without letting the crew realize you were fighting on their side was brilliant, and kept you from being discovered. And you took out DMP before he could counterattack. DMP was sloppy and created a rather stupid situation where his followers were too afraid to wake him (hence the lower CR) but he did have some clever traps set up. One single round and you'd have had four bone golems on you. The alarm that DMP did catch you with was a pretty clever trick. You had to know it was a trap but it was just to convenient to resist anyway. I don't know how challenged you felt, but I certainly enjoyed myself. I just wish I had a picture of your face when I played DMP's alarm

I had a great time. I haven´t been a DS player for many years, so this was quite enjoyable. And about my face when the alarm spell finally went off - I can only imagine. It wasn´t the alarm spell itself, but the actual soundtrack you played that brought forth the face. The adventure was challenging enough, even if I hardly got to use any of my character´s social skills. It became more rollplaying than roleplaying, but at least I got one or two good lines off ("I must be going soft in my older years" and my "If you... I´ll kill you" rant).
#47

thebrax

Nov 28, 2006 18:27:58
I had a great time. I haven´t been a DS player for many years, so this was quite enjoyable. And about my face when the alarm spell finally went off - I can only imagine. It wasn´t the alarm spell itself, but the actual soundtrack you played that brought forth the face. The adventure was challenging enough, even if I hardly got to use any of my character´s social skills. It became more rollplaying than roleplaying, but at least I got one or two good lines off ("I must be going soft in my older years" and my "If you... I´ll kill you" rant).

I was suprised you didn't try to infiltrate the group, in the beginning when it became clear with the Tyrian mercenaries that they were recruting.

We'll have to do a city adventure some time. I've run games for months where no one even thought of leaving Tyr. Multiple adventure lines running at once, you never know whether Dark is on your side today or not. You might have gotten a bit of feel for my city style at the end of that last adventure, with Timor :D