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#1
hardia
Oct 22, 2006 2:29:20 is he really immortal or is he like a troll you can knock him down but he regenerates until he is at full hit points. I remember in the planescape torment game it says that he could be destroyed if they threw him into the furnace or something and he could be killed permenantly with power word kill. If he is more like a troll then that kind of err...makes the whole mortality thing kind of moot
#2
ripvanwormer
Oct 22, 2006 3:10:11 He's immortal, but his immortality isn't absolute; he needs to have a body to come back to, but he's not like a troll. He heals very quickly, but he doesn't regenerate; if he loses his arm, his arm is gone until he gets a new one sewn back on.

A troll can't regenerate from death, but Nameless can. Nameless can be hit by a death effect, die, and come back to life. He can be suffocated, burnt to death, killed with acid, suck on a finger of death spell, trampled by a goristro, have all his skin flayed off, thrown off the top of the Spire, magically aged millennia, and even decapitated and he still won't die. If he's decapitated, he's just a living head (like Orpheus, or Morte) until someone sews him back on to his body (or someone's body).

But yes, he can be permanently killed if he doesn't have a body to come back to. The Lady of Pain can kill him permanently, as can the Master of the Bones. If he's burnt to nothing, he's dead. It's just that no one's done that yet in all of his centuries of existence, and most of his incarnations try to avoid such things.
#3
hardia
Oct 22, 2006 12:24:39 wait but doesnt he regenerate a finger when it got burned off by ignus and didnt he find an arm that belonged to him in some tomb? so he can regenerate lost limbs..
#4
dungeonmogrii
Oct 22, 2006 15:52:01 Who's to say his current arm isn't just somebody's arm swen to his body?
Who's to say that arm you find is his original arm and not just one that was swen to his body with some low quality thread?
For all we know Nameless One could have only his original head in the game, something like being a flesh golem, but the toil of the years just make all those different limbs seem to mesh together nicely.
#5
lord_of_the_ninth_02
Oct 22, 2006 15:52:09 He does find his own arm at one point. I believe he is capable of regenerating limbs, especially since there is no suggestion that any of his limbs once belonged to someone else. I find it entirely reasonable that he can regrow limbs, but that reattaching them is quicker (like when you try to grab a black bird of ocanthus in the art shop).

The game manual discusses the nature of his immortality a bit (they can't kill you, but sometimes they can eat you).
#6
hardia
Oct 22, 2006 18:17:54 yea but dont you guys think after he has lived so many lives... he would have been stuck in a burning building or something and got destroyed a long time ago...
#7
lord_of_the_ninth_02
Oct 22, 2006 21:15:12 No. Otherwise he would be dead.
#8
zombiegleemax
Oct 30, 2006 1:51:33 Who's to say his head is the original? Perhaps there was a brain transplant earlier in his history...
#9
factol_rhys_dup
Oct 30, 2006 10:03:52 He is immortal, because he can die and come back. It's not the traditional sort of immortality, where you can't die, and it's not the trollish sort of regeneration. When the Nameless One dies, someone else dies in his place, and TNO is restored. All those shadows that follow him around, trying to kill him, are the spirits of those who died in his place.

Someone in the game explains as much at some point.
#10
lord_of_the_ninth_02
Oct 30, 2006 10:10:34 well, I believe he has not had a brain transplant because he looks like a very hacked up version of his earlier self, instead of looking totally different.
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 30, 2006 13:57:52 Well, too bad for you because I'm going to go the route of arguing semantics and say that perhaps his spirit molds any body to look like his original, or perhaps it has been so long since he's seen his original body that he's misremembering it as his new one.

Not that I really think he had some kind of magical fantasy world brain transplant. I just like arguing. AND WINNING
#12
ripvanwormer
Oct 30, 2006 17:08:37 It's actually possible that he can regenerate limbs, extremely slowly. I was arguing that he couldn't based on the fact that he does have other people's organs attached to him at various parts of the game - new eyeballs, for example. Also, the fact that he doesn't seem to be able to heal scars makes the idea of growing entirely new limbs seem unlikely. It seems like it'd be much easier to make a scar disappear than to grow an entirely new fibia. I think if some of his limbs were newer than others, they'd look newer - maybe he'd have a slightly pinker arm, for instance. Unless he retains all his old scars on his new arm, because he's spiritually scarred in every place he was physically scarred. I didn't get that impression from the game, though.

But sure, maybe he can grow them back, too. Maybe if you cut his head off and burn it to ashes, he can grow a new skull and brain. Maybe.
#13
hardia
Nov 05, 2006 0:54:16 umm he does regenerate limbs...when you get ignus to teach you spells he burns off your finger which grows back he burns out your eye which grows back and etc...
#14
zombiegleemax
Nov 07, 2006 12:34:41 However, when Ignus teaches you those spells and you lost the body part, you permenantly lose Hit Points in Torment. This seems to indicate permenantly lost tissue or permenant tissue damage of some kind.

I'm unsure, in any case.
#15
hardia
Nov 10, 2006 13:36:33 well of course he has permenant tissue damage -_- thats why hes so scarred i mean like his wounds dont heal completely it seems
#16
cmrscorpio
Nov 11, 2006 7:46:53
they can't kill you, but sometimes they can eat you.

Lol.

In the dungeon where you have to die at particular places in order to advance to the next area, The Nameless One resurrects and says something along the lines of "I feel like I've been pushed through something's bowels."
#17
hazhar
Nov 13, 2006 12:37:15
However, when Ignus teaches you those spells and you lost the body part, you permenantly lose Hit Points in Torment. This seems to indicate permenantly lost tissue or permenant tissue damage of some kind.

I'm unsure, in any case.

I can't remember the exact description, but I'm vagually sure that the text that describes how you "use" the burnt body parts to learn the spells says that they are reattached to/in the body and then fuse back on despite their burnt up state. So his finger/eye/intestines didn't heal, but they did reattach.
#18
zombiegleemax
Nov 27, 2006 14:08:24 Okay, I have finished the game recently, so I know.

To answer the posters' question, even though others have already done so - he is immortal, but not the normal sense; whenever he dies, another person dies instead of him and he keeps on living.

Also, he regenerates all the time, this includes body parts. His body regenerates when Ignus burns parts of him off and the paranoid incarnation tried to burn off his own skin in order to get rid of his tattoos, but the skin just kept regenerating with the tattoos on.

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#1 hardia Oct 22, 2006 2:29:20	is he really immortal or is he like a troll you can knock him down but he regenerates until he is at full hit points. I remember in the planescape torment game it says that he could be destroyed if they threw him into the furnace or something and he could be killed permenantly with power word kill. If he is more like a troll then that kind of err...makes the whole mortality thing kind of moot
#2 ripvanwormer Oct 22, 2006 3:10:11	He's immortal, but his immortality isn't absolute; he needs to have a body to come back to, but he's not like a troll. He heals very quickly, but he doesn't regenerate; if he loses his arm, his arm is gone until he gets a new one sewn back on. A troll can't regenerate from death, but Nameless can. Nameless can be hit by a death effect, die, and come back to life. He can be suffocated, burnt to death, killed with acid, suck on a finger of death spell, trampled by a goristro, have all his skin flayed off, thrown off the top of the Spire, magically aged millennia, and even decapitated and he still won't die. If he's decapitated, he's just a living head (like Orpheus, or Morte) until someone sews him back on to his body (or someone's body). But yes, he can be permanently killed if he doesn't have a body to come back to. The Lady of Pain can kill him permanently, as can the Master of the Bones. If he's burnt to nothing, he's dead. It's just that no one's done that yet in all of his centuries of existence, and most of his incarnations try to avoid such things.
#3 hardia Oct 22, 2006 12:24:39	wait but doesnt he regenerate a finger when it got burned off by ignus and didnt he find an arm that belonged to him in some tomb? so he can regenerate lost limbs..
#4 dungeonmogrii Oct 22, 2006 15:52:01	Who's to say his current arm isn't just somebody's arm swen to his body? Who's to say that arm you find is his original arm and not just one that was swen to his body with some low quality thread? For all we know Nameless One could have only his original head in the game, something like being a flesh golem, but the toil of the years just make all those different limbs seem to mesh together nicely.
#5 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Oct 22, 2006 15:52:09	He does find his own arm at one point. I believe he is capable of regenerating limbs, especially since there is no suggestion that any of his limbs once belonged to someone else. I find it entirely reasonable that he can regrow limbs, but that reattaching them is quicker (like when you try to grab a black bird of ocanthus in the art shop). The game manual discusses the nature of his immortality a bit (they can't kill you, but sometimes they can eat you).
#6 hardia Oct 22, 2006 18:17:54	yea but dont you guys think after he has lived so many lives... he would have been stuck in a burning building or something and got destroyed a long time ago...
#7 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Oct 22, 2006 21:15:12	No. Otherwise he would be dead.
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 30, 2006 1:51:33	Who's to say his head is the original? Perhaps there was a brain transplant earlier in his history...
#9 factol_rhys_dup Oct 30, 2006 10:03:52	He is immortal, because he can die and come back. It's not the traditional sort of immortality, where you can't die, and it's not the trollish sort of regeneration. When the Nameless One dies, someone else dies in his place, and TNO is restored. All those shadows that follow him around, trying to kill him, are the spirits of those who died in his place. Someone in the game explains as much at some point.
#10 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Oct 30, 2006 10:10:34	well, I believe he has not had a brain transplant because he looks like a very hacked up version of his earlier self, instead of looking totally different.
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 30, 2006 13:57:52	Well, too bad for you because I'm going to go the route of arguing semantics and say that perhaps his spirit molds any body to look like his original, or perhaps it has been so long since he's seen his original body that he's misremembering it as his new one. Not that I really think he had some kind of magical fantasy world brain transplant. I just like arguing. AND WINNING
#12 ripvanwormer Oct 30, 2006 17:08:37	It's actually possible that he can regenerate limbs, extremely slowly. I was arguing that he couldn't based on the fact that he does have other people's organs attached to him at various parts of the game - new eyeballs, for example. Also, the fact that he doesn't seem to be able to heal scars makes the idea of growing entirely new limbs seem unlikely. It seems like it'd be much easier to make a scar disappear than to grow an entirely new fibia. I think if some of his limbs were newer than others, they'd look newer - maybe he'd have a slightly pinker arm, for instance. Unless he retains all his old scars on his new arm, because he's spiritually scarred in every place he was physically scarred. I didn't get that impression from the game, though. But sure, maybe he can grow them back, too. Maybe if you cut his head off and burn it to ashes, he can grow a new skull and brain. Maybe.
#13 hardia Nov 05, 2006 0:54:16	umm he does regenerate limbs...when you get ignus to teach you spells he burns off your finger which grows back he burns out your eye which grows back and etc...
#14 zombiegleemax Nov 07, 2006 12:34:41	However, when Ignus teaches you those spells and you lost the body part, you permenantly lose Hit Points in Torment. This seems to indicate permenantly lost tissue or permenant tissue damage of some kind. I'm unsure, in any case.
#15 hardia Nov 10, 2006 13:36:33	well of course he has permenant tissue damage -_- thats why hes so scarred i mean like his wounds dont heal completely it seems
#16 cmrscorpio Nov 11, 2006 7:46:53	they can't kill you, but sometimes they can eat you. Lol. In the dungeon where you have to die at particular places in order to advance to the next area, The Nameless One resurrects and says something along the lines of "I feel like I've been pushed through something's bowels."
#17 hazhar Nov 13, 2006 12:37:15	However, when Ignus teaches you those spells and you lost the body part, you permenantly lose Hit Points in Torment. This seems to indicate permenantly lost tissue or permenant tissue damage of some kind. I'm unsure, in any case. I can't remember the exact description, but I'm vagually sure that the text that describes how you "use" the burnt body parts to learn the spells says that they are reattached to/in the body and then fuse back on despite their burnt up state. So his finger/eye/intestines didn't heal, but they did reattach.
#18 zombiegleemax Nov 27, 2006 14:08:24	Okay, I have finished the game recently, so I know. To answer the posters' question, even though others have already done so - he is immortal, but not the normal sense; whenever he dies, another person dies instead of him and he keeps on living. Also, he regenerates all the time, this includes body parts. His body regenerates when Ignus burns parts of him off and the paranoid incarnation tried to burn off his own skin in order to get rid of his tattoos, but the skin just kept regenerating with the tattoos on.