Dragon Issue 351

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#1

stanles

Nov 17, 2006 4:55:20
The next issue column of the current issue of Dragon says that it will revisit several past campaign settings, including ... well the list doesn't contain Mystara but hopefully it's one of the "and beyond" from the end of the list.
#2

havard

Nov 17, 2006 6:45:15
The next issue column of the current issue of Dragon says that it will revisit several past campaign settings, including ... well the list doesn't contain Mystara but hopefully it's one of the "and beyond" from the end of the list.

Here's to hope!

Thanks for sharing!

Havard
#3

Cthulhudrew

Nov 17, 2006 11:38:53
Isn't January's Dragon usually the Campaign Classics issue? Maybe the campaign worlds in this one are just an early treat for 352?
#4

gazza555

Nov 17, 2006 11:45:29
Isn't January's Dragon usually the Campaign Classics issue? Maybe the campaign worlds in this one are just an early treat for 352?

January's Dragon is 351.

Here's a picture of 350 where you can clearly see Issue 350 December.
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Regards
Gary
#5

havard

Nov 17, 2006 11:54:31
I will be pretty disappointed if there is nothing Mystara related (Known World, Blackmoor, Savage Coast, Thunder Rift etc) at all in the Campaign Classics issue for 07....

Havard
#6

stanles

Nov 17, 2006 17:12:57
I will be pretty disappointed if there is nothing Mystara related (Known World, Blackmoor, Savage Coast, Thunder Rift etc) at all in the Campaign Classics issue for 07....

Havard

well none of the previous issues made much of a point of any Mystaran article did they? I don't think the word Mystara has appeared on the cover next to the other words or anything. I'd hate to think that a Mystara article wouldn't make it to the magazine.
#7

maddog

Nov 17, 2006 19:39:01
I would guess that since the Isle of Dread is in the companion magazine, Dungeon, at the same time that it is highly likely that we will see something that is Mystara related. I think it would be somewhat hard to avoid.

:D

--Ray.
#8

ripvanwormer

Nov 17, 2006 20:01:28
Dragon #351 will have this:

Ecology of the Isle of Dread
by Jacob Frazier
The Isle of Dread explored! Read the journal of Larissa Vanderboren and retrace her adventures. Includes a free player's poster map of the Isle of Dread!
#9

stanles

Nov 17, 2006 21:07:29
Dragon #351 will have this:

Ecology of the Isle of Dread
by Jacob Frazier
The Isle of Dread explored! Read the journal of Larissa Vanderboren and retrace her adventures. Includes a free player's poster map of the Isle of Dread!

well since the Isle isn't in Mystara, as far as the adventure path is concerned, hopefully they don't count that as the "Mystara" article.
#10

zombiegleemax

Nov 20, 2006 11:23:33
Which do you want first: the good news or the bad news?

Okay, I lied. For Mystara fans there is no good news, concerning #351. The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. But hey, it has phanatons!

Where we fail, however, Dungeon succeeds! Dungeon #142 has a low-level adventure (for 1st-level characters) set in Mystara!

And as if that weren't enough, I know on very good authority that Dungeon will have another Mystara article in the near future.

So as far as Mystara fans are concerned: Dungeon 2; Dragon 0.
#11

maddog

Nov 20, 2006 11:50:18
The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral.

I hereby claim the Isle of Dread as a Mystaran island in the name of the Thyatian Empire! So say we all!

So as far as Mystara fans are concerned: Dungeon 2; Dragon 0.

I think that's really Dungeon 2; Dragon 1. I'm not giving up the bragging rights without a fight!

--Ray.
#12

olddawg

Nov 20, 2006 12:20:56
Ecology of the Isle of Dread
by Jacob Frazier
The Isle of Dread explored! Read the journal of Larissa Vanderboren and retrace her adventures. Includes a free player's poster map of the Isle of Dread!

On the plus side, this should be some decent food for thought on the Thanegioth Archipelago fan-gaz.

Where we fail, however, Dungeon succeeds! Dungeon #142 has a low-level adventure (for 1st-level characters) set in Mystara!

And as if that weren't enough, I know on very good authority that Dungeon will have another Mystara article in the near future.

The Known World region? Norwold? ... Inquiring minds want to know. :D

-OldDawg
#13

stanles

Nov 20, 2006 17:40:26
Which do you want first: the good news or the bad news?

Okay, I lied. For Mystara fans there is no good news, concerning #351. The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. But hey, it has phanatons!

well that is pretty average yes, of course the Ecology of the Isle of Dread should be fairly easy to consider as Mystara content, but it's part of the Adventure Path thing isn't it? there was always going to be an Isle of Dread article.

One question though, is there no article because there was no particular articles that could be published - that is, should one of us have had some good idea sent to you ready to publish. Or was it a room issue and a Mystara article just the "easiest" one to drop?

Where we fail, however, Dungeon succeeds! Dungeon #142 has a low-level adventure (for 1st-level characters) set in Mystara!

And as if that weren't enough, I know on very good authority that Dungeon will have another Mystara article in the near future.

So as far as Mystara fans are concerned: Dungeon 2; Dragon 0.

Wel adventures set in Mystara is definitely a good thing, without a doubt. The reference to Zargon in the the upcoming adventure had already caught our attention, so it is good ot see that this will actually be an adventure set in Mystara.
#14

Cthulhudrew

Nov 20, 2006 23:13:53
Hmm... I'm thinking I definitely need to get off my butt and polish up some Dungeon magazine proposals that I've had in various stages of development.
#15

zombiegleemax

Nov 21, 2006 15:41:19
Hmm... I'm thinking I definitely need to get off my butt and polish up some Dungeon magazine proposals that I've had in various stages of development.

Yes you should.
#16

zombiegleemax

Nov 21, 2006 15:43:58
One question though, is there no article because there was no particular articles that could be published - that is, should one of us have had some good idea sent to you ready to publish. Or was it a room issue and a Mystara article just the "easiest" one to drop?

The thought was "We'll count the Ecology of the Isle of Dread as the Mystara article." And then, of course, there was no mention of Mystara in the ecology.
#17

stanles

Nov 21, 2006 17:43:28
The thought was "We'll count the Ecology of the Isle of Dread as the Mystara article." And then, of course, there was no mention of Mystara in the ecology.

yeah I could see how that might counter against that original thought
#18

zombiegleemax

Nov 22, 2006 13:27:36
:raincloud
#19

havard

Nov 22, 2006 13:52:16
Alright, lets not be ungrateful for what we are getting!

There should be no doubt that the Isle of Dread is located in Mystara. Heck, the Isle was what gave birth to the Known World wasn't it?

But Mike, you realize this means you guys will have to print some Mystara material in a later issue of Dragon in 07, right? Like Cthulhudrew's upcoming article? ('Drew, you are feeling the pressure now too, right?) ;)

How's that for getting back into my "cheerleader" role as Ray calls it? ;)

Havard
#20

Cthulhudrew

Nov 22, 2006 14:09:53
There should be no doubt that the Isle of Dread is located in Mystara. Heck, the Isle was what gave birth to the Known World wasn't it?

Pretty near, yeah. And the STAP fits pretty easily into Mystara so far- I've been working on a conversion of sorts, and I know that Havard and a couple of other people on the Paizo boards are doing similar ones (though mine and theirs are in wildly different geographical locations- though the more the merrier; makes it easier to fit into individual campaigns, right?)

But Mike, you realize this means you guys will have to print some Mystara material in a later issue of Dragon in 07, right? Like Cthulhudrew's upcoming article? ('Drew, you are feeling the pressure now too, right?) ;)

Uhh... what?

Actually been thinking a lot more about some things this week- mostly Dungeon proposals with some Mystara "place names."

How's that for getting back into my "cheerleader" role as Ray calls it? ;)

We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how about Birthright?

(Oh, ouch!) ;)
#21

havard

Nov 22, 2006 14:19:18
Pretty near, yeah. And the STAP fits pretty easily into Mystara so far- I've been working on a conversion of sorts, and I know that Havard and a couple of other people on the Paizo boards are doing similar ones (though mine and theirs are in wildly different geographical locations- though the more the merrier; makes it easier to fit into individual campaigns, right?)

I'm only playing a minor role in the STAP paizo discussion really. Erian and others are doing the bulk of the work. Although I lean towards placing Sasserine on Davania, I think it is great that we have several possible locations going on. As you say, it will make it much easier for the various DM's out there to find a location suiting their need.

Uhh... what?

Actually been thinking a lot more about some things this week- mostly Dungeon proposals with some Mystara "place names."

Just meant that as a bit of encouragement since you said you might do something like that. Place names is a good way of getting some Mystara reference in there. How about Mystara appropriate monsters, NPC names etc?

We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how about Birthright?

(Oh, ouch!) ;)



Havard
#22

Goldrak

Nov 23, 2006 16:41:39
Which do you want first: the good news or the bad news?

Okay, I lied. For Mystara fans there is no good news, concerning #351. The "Ecology of the Isle of Dread" is as close to Mystara content as the issue provides. At best, IIRC, that article is setting neutral. But hey, it has phanatons!

Man...Isle of Dread with no Rakastas???

:raincloud
#23

the_great_green_god

Nov 25, 2006 11:06:59
Yes you should.

Seriously. Don't let me have all the fun. Gorm knows what a loon like me will do to everyone's favorite campaign world.

-BMC3

Now I just have to wear Mike down about that whole yak folk feature I wanna do.

Mike, I'm telling you man you're getting in on the ground floor of this one. Pretty soon (just a handful of months from now) everyone will be writing about and playing dual scimitar-wielding yak folk ranger outcasts. There will be video games, action figures, plush dolls, the works. They'll be bigger than the daleks! ;)
#24

zombiegleemax

Nov 27, 2006 15:45:59
Man...Isle of Dread with no Rakastas???

For reasons unclear to myself or others, Wizards of the Coast has forbidden us from doing anything with rakasta. Instead, I am obligated to point you toward the catfolk from Races of the Wild (I think).
#25

zombiegleemax

Nov 27, 2006 15:52:56
Now I just have to wear Mike down about that whole yak folk feature I wanna do.

Mike, I'm telling you man you're getting in on the ground floor of this one. Pretty soon (just a handful of months from now) everyone will be writing about and playing dual scimitar-wielding yak folk ranger outcasts. There will be video games, action figures, plush dolls, the works. They'll be bigger than the daleks! ;)

Oh dude, I'm on board the yakfolk train. In fact, so is Wes, James Jacobs (the conductor), and James Sutter (also from Dungeon). For some unkowable reason, though, Jason hates yakfolk but gets all weepy-eyed for the abeil.

The abeil.

Their name means "bee" in French, IIRC.

Which, as the French would also say, "is lame."

So yeah, keep fighting the yak fight, man. Eventually Jason will give in... maybe... possibly... ;)
#26

Cthulhudrew

Nov 27, 2006 16:14:23
For reasons unclear to myself or others, Wizards of the Coast has forbidden us from doing anything with rakasta. Instead, I am obligated to point you toward the catfolk from Races of the Wild (I think).

That is odd. Maybe Bruce or Tom Moldvay own the rights to them. ;)
#27

Cthulhudrew

Nov 27, 2006 16:15:37
So yeah, keep fighting the yak fight, man. Eventually Jason will give in... maybe... possibly... ;)

What about Goatmen? Maybe you could slip those by him.
#28

the_great_green_god

Nov 27, 2006 16:21:54
Would it help to tell him that I got an high-level adventure on Jeremy's desktop with abiels in it too? Sure it's not a three-part arc, but still...

;)
Matt
#29

the_great_green_god

Nov 27, 2006 16:26:16
What about Goatmen? Maybe you could slip those by him.

Goatmen don't highjack people's bodies and then get access to their memories and skill ranks. I mean really how cool is that?

BMC3
#30

Goldrak

Nov 27, 2006 16:34:46
For reasons unclear to myself or others, Wizards of the Coast has forbidden us from doing anything with rakasta. Instead, I am obligated to point you toward the catfolk from Races of the Wild (I think).

:D

I'm aware of that...you already told me that, at least twice...
I just can't help myself...

Catfolk are just...well, cat folk...and Rakastas are well, Rakastas!!

Your aren't saying that catfolk are appearing in the Isle of Dread, are you?

Rakastas will not be happy down there... :fight!:

;)
#31

zombiegleemax

Nov 27, 2006 18:14:35
That is odd. Maybe Bruce or Tom Moldvay own the rights to them. ;)

That would be a unique occurrence, to be sure. But then, with TSR's grasp of legality (or lack thereof), who knows, right? ;)
#32

zombiegleemax

Nov 27, 2006 18:26:38
Would it help to tell him that I got an high-level adventure on Jeremy's desktop with abiels in it too? Sure it's not a three-part arc, but still...

;)
Matt

Nyaaahhh!!! Don't encourage Jason!!!

I'm aware of that...you already told me that, at least twice...
I just can't help myself...

Heh, sorry. It's just the party line, as it were, so whenever the rakasta come up my brain switches into corporate stooge mode.

Catfolk are just...well, cat folk...and Rakastas are well, Rakastas!!

I agree. I was always partial to the quasi-Japanese rakasta, but I certainly had no problem with the Red Steel version.

You aren't saying that catfolk are appearing in the Isle of Dread, are you?

I am not saying that, no. :whatsthis
#33

Goldrak

Nov 28, 2006 10:40:45
Heh, sorry. It's just the party line, as it were, so whenever the rakasta come up my brain switches into corporate stooge mode.

The idea of using catfolks instead of rakastas, is just...
For my part, catfolk are just plain blend, colorless and uninspired. When i play in non mystara setting and a player want's to play a catfolk i show him my rakasta conversion and the catfolk is immediately dropped...

I agree. I was always partial to the quasi-Japanese rakasta, but I certainly had no problem with the Red Steel version.

Rakastas in whatever approach are great.
:D


I am not saying that, no. :whatsthis

Good, we rakastas do not tolerate identity thievery...
#34

prak_the_mad_02

Nov 29, 2006 18:26:41
umm... wasn't Mystara created as part of the Known World?
#35

culture20

Nov 29, 2006 21:06:39
I agree. I was always partial to the quasi-Japanese rakasta, but I certainly had no problem with the Red Steel version.

The Red Steel Rakasta _were_ quasi-Japanese, just in the post-feudal transition (strangely, it's the _introduction_ of feudalism to this group that causes the cultural change). Matara, Mishiya, and Torasta bear testament to this.
It was the Isle of Dread Rakasta that were stone age primitives...
#36

stanles

Nov 29, 2006 21:37:20
umm... wasn't Mystara created as part of the Known World?

the other way around Prak. The Known World existed as an area. It grew out of everything that was happening with the Basic/Expert etc rules and their modules. As this expanded and grew the Known World area was expanded to the whole world, called Mystara.
#37

Cthulhudrew

Nov 29, 2006 22:14:09
The Red Steel Rakasta _were_ quasi-Japanese, just in the post-feudal transition (strangely, it's the _introduction_ of feudalism to this group that causes the cultural change).

He might be referring to the Princess Ark Savage Coastal version of the rakasta, who were pretty distinctly English, as opposed to the Pateran/Myoshiman rakasta, who were feudal-era Japanese.

Red Steel attempted to "re-Japanese" the rakasta, but they could really only do so much, with names like Pawchester, Queen Catherine, the Bishopric of Kitting, etc.

Of course, there were several other different cultural types among the rakasta besides English and Japanese- as evidenced by the other nations of Patera (Rajahstan, Selimpore, Malacayog, Surabayang, etc.)